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Title: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: MLM on July 27, 2010, 03:27:18 PM
Anyone been? I can fly into JAC? Car rental is a fortune for August 1 -6. Any ideas?  Is 5 days too long?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: steve2 on July 27, 2010, 03:39:07 PM
 when I went a few yrs ago I flew into SLC and drove from there via Idaho

if you think car rentals are bad , I take it you havent even looked at hotels yet. Best time is no different than Alaska either right before the summer or right afterwards
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: MLM on July 27, 2010, 03:50:18 PM
I just got tickets from LA for 25k on United direct flights. You are right i didnt look at hotels yet.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Monsey on July 27, 2010, 03:57:25 PM
I was there and think 5 days is a bit too long 3-4 days is sufficient for the parks and if you are flying back from slc or den or dont mind the drive then you should go to flaming gorge recreation area it is gorgeous
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: kivabb on July 27, 2010, 04:41:11 PM
Once your driving, consider Glacier National Park in Montana as well.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: steve2 on July 27, 2010, 04:52:55 PM
Once your driving, consider Glacier National Park in Montana as well.

 only prob is Id say its 400+ miles from West Yellowstone to Kalispell, true the main thing is driving the Road to the sun road, but I would want to spend alittle more time up there especially by the ever disappearing glaciers

 I would make Glacier a trip by itself and from there also Banff and Lake Louise and fly into Calgary
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on August 02, 2010, 01:50:46 AM
Both times I went I drove from the East coast so I don't know much about flying there... I know you can also fly to Cody wyoming, It's definitely farther but might work out better. (If you are in Cody check out the night rodeo, it's a lot of fun)

If you're not planning on doing any serious hiking you don't need more then a day there. (OK, in August 2 days. There's so many people and so much traffic it can take an entire day just to drive across the park)

If you have a choice between Yellowstone and Glacier go to Glacier.

Title: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 17, 2013, 12:02:14 AM
Post some of those amazing pictures and you'll probably entice Dan more. I remember you posted some of them on ddf before.

Just a small selection (I'll post many more in my TR in the Wyoming thread when I finally get around to it):

(Click on any picture for full-res.)

Schwabacher Landing Sunrise:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3734/9303001013_a6bc3717e1_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/u9494X)

Some 20 minutes later:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8584719604_c1395816e0_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/8584719604/)

Oxbow Bend Sunrise:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7483390756_2cff27e36a_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7483390756/)

Mt. Moran and Pelican at sunrise:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/9303003601_ca46611aa7_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/paaXiU)

A shachris like no other:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7115/7483375626_ff5c73b544_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/6ga3re)

Milky Way over Jackson Lake:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7483420988_dc885a3fb1_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7483420988/)

Star Trails and aurora over Jackson Lake:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7884692236_ae15dd14a9_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7884692236/)

Hendrick Pond sunrise:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8001/7483426380_ed09276314_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7483426380/)

Lower Falls of the Yellowstone and double rainbow from Uncle Tom's trail (http://www.hikespeak.com/trails/uncle-toms-trail-lower-falls-yellowstone/):
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8583617841_edd4dc9e27_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/8583617841/)

Minerva Terraces hot springs at sunset:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/9303005629_684f311c81_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/H2t526)

Pronghorn Antelope:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/7884690470_d77644bc25_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7884690470/)

Bison on Antelope Flats:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8383/8583617457_f2c69da6ce_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/8583617457/)

Bison and calf:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5329/9305783446_d98368c32e_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/D43y9R)

Pelican at Oxbow Bend:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7884795564_c6384f17ca_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7884795564/)

Foraging Moose:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/9305785672_2f2081c6f8_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/88qowP)
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: AJK on July 17, 2013, 12:56:28 AM
W.o.w.

You took all these?

Amazing.
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on July 17, 2013, 01:03:11 AM
W.o.w.

You took all these?

Amazing.

Thanks! All are mine (except the one of me davening of course ;) - my friend took that one).
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: yehuda S on July 17, 2013, 01:19:02 AM
These are gorgeous.
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: Lotofsimcha on July 17, 2013, 01:25:53 AM
OMG ! Should probably say a bracha on viewing those pics..
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on July 17, 2013, 03:17:01 AM
Stunning pictures!
Absolutely amazing. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: HP58 on July 17, 2013, 09:45:23 AM
Wow! Amazing pics! Can't wait for the rest of it! What equipment do you use?
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 17, 2013, 10:20:51 AM
Un freekin believable
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 17, 2013, 10:26:17 AM
Unreal.
Title: Re: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: sam28 on July 17, 2013, 02:14:38 PM
wow no words for this pictures . I wont to jump on a plane to see it live .
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 17, 2013, 03:04:25 PM
Wow! Is that the same Yellowstone I've been to? :P
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 18, 2013, 02:31:26 AM
Wow! absolutely stunning pictures!

(makes me almost embarrassed to show mine)
Title: Yellowstone/Grand Tetons Summer Minyan
Post by: cephalotus on July 18, 2013, 10:48:30 PM
Hi,

Is there anyone travelling to Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons during 7/21-8/1 who would like to join our minyan in Jackson, WY?
Title: Re: Yellowstone/Grand Tetons Summer Minyan
Post by: bubkiz on July 18, 2013, 10:51:47 PM
Try godaven.com
Title: Re: Yellowstone/Grand Tetons Summer Minyan
Post by: Thingywingy on July 26, 2013, 01:43:55 AM
Hi,

Is there anyone travelling to Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons during 7/21-8/1 who would like to join our minyan in Jackson, WY?
i will be there for 2 days between 28th and 1st
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Thingywingy on July 26, 2013, 01:47:14 AM
Any well priced places to stay near Yellowstone?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 26, 2013, 08:43:31 AM
IIRC there's not much there in terms of chain hotels, you just gotta call around and see a) who has availability this late, and b) who's well priced.

Which direction are you coming in from? We came from the Gariner entrance and stayed by a hotel called the Absaroka lodge which was pretty decently priced and our room had a small kitchen and great views (I was Davening Shacharis on the patio one morning when a family of elk started gazing not 5 feet away from me).
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 26, 2013, 01:40:40 PM
Something Fishy inspired me to write up my Yellowstone TR from 2 years ago. Obviously my pics aren't anywhere near his but hopefully the TR will be helpful to others. Judging by the reaction of most of the people when I told them I was going/went to Yellowstone (Yellowhere? Is there a Kosher restaurant there? How about a Judaica souvenir shop? No? Than why in the world would you go there), it seems like it's not on the Frum radar for a vacation spot, which is a pity because it was probably my favorite vacation in the US.
So heads up, hopefully after Shabbos I'll have it.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: HP58 on July 26, 2013, 02:31:55 PM
Have you ever been to Utah (Bryce Zion Arches Canyonlands)? You thought Yellaowstone was nicer?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: sky121 on July 26, 2013, 02:40:44 PM
Something Fishy inspired me to write up my Yellowstone TR from 2 years ago. Obviously my pics aren't anywhere near his but hopefully the TR will be helpful to others. Judging by the reaction of most of the people when I told them I was going/went to Yellowstone (Yellowhere? Is there a Kosher restaurant there? How about a Judaica souvenir shop? No? Than why in the world would you go there), it seems like it's not on the Frum radar for a vacation spot, which is a pity because it was probably my favorite vacation in the US.
So heads up, hopefully after Shabbos I'll have it.

Can't wait to read it. I'm debating heading there in August.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SamKey on July 26, 2013, 04:27:16 PM
2 years ago I sat next to an engineer for the npa on a flight from DEN-BWI he was being flown in to assess the damage on the national monument after the earthquake. He told me that in his opinion the nicest National Park is Grand Teton
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 26, 2013, 04:36:10 PM
Judging by the reaction of most of the people when I told them I was going/went to Yellowstone (Yellowhere? Is there a Kosher restaurant there? How about a Judaica souvenir shop? No? Than why in the world would you go there), it seems like it's not on the Frum radar for a vacation spot, which is a pity because it was probably my favorite vacation in the US.
The first two times I was there (~10 years ago) the only other frum people I saw were a couple of bochurim on merkoz shlichus. (I should probably only count one of the times, as the other was during the offseason and there was practically nobody there.)
When I went last summer, I was only there for half a day and I must have met at least 6 frum families. So I think the frum world might be starting to discover Yellowstone...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: daganster on July 26, 2013, 04:37:15 PM
@Something Fishy
Dude, your pics are amazing. Is it really that nice or it's the camera?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 26, 2013, 04:39:34 PM
Something Fishy inspired me to write up my Yellowstone TR from 2 years ago. Obviously my pics aren't anywhere near his but hopefully the TR will be helpful to others. Judging by the reaction of most of the people when I told them I was going/went to Yellowstone (Yellowhere? Is there a Kosher restaurant there? How about a Judaica souvenir shop? No? Than why in the world would you go there), it seems like it's not on the Frum radar for a vacation spot, which is a pity because it was probably my favorite vacation in the US.
So heads up, hopefully after Shabbos I'll have it.

Now if only I could inspire myself to finish my own TR... :D:D:D
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 26, 2013, 04:43:46 PM
Have you ever been to Utah (Bryce Zion Arches Canyonlands)? You thought Yellaowstone was nicer?

I don't think the main strength of Yellowstone is its beauty (although it is amazingly beautiful). I think the one word to describe it would be "fascinating" - the geysers, hot springs, mud pots, etc.

But the Tetons in the other hand... absolutely breathtaking.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 26, 2013, 05:17:37 PM
The first two times I was there (~10 years ago) the only other frum people I saw were a couple of bochurim on merkoz shlichus. (I should probably only count one of the times, as the other was during the offseason and there was practically nobody there.)
When I went last summer, I was only there for half a day and I must have met at least 6 frum families. So I think the frum world might be starting to discover Yellowstone...
FunnyI didn't see anyone remotely Frum. The Shliach also told me that Frum people barely come by.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: sky121 on July 26, 2013, 05:19:20 PM
How many days would you recommend for Teton? Is there a lot to see without hiking if I'm going with some folks in their 70's?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 26, 2013, 05:23:22 PM
How many days would you recommend for Teton? Is there a lot to see without hiking if I'm going with some folks in their 70's?

2 days max if you're not hiking. Make sure to wake up for sunrise at Schwabacher Landing - it's the experience of a lifetime.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: sky121 on July 26, 2013, 05:26:42 PM
2 days max if you're not hiking. Make sure to wake up for sunrise at Schwabacher Landing - it's the experience of a lifetime.

Thanks.

Would I have to drive a lot to see a lot?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 26, 2013, 05:38:56 PM
Thanks.

Would I have to drive a lot to see a lot?

Not in the Tetons.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: sky121 on July 26, 2013, 05:41:25 PM
Thanks so much. Think I just picked a good August trip since Banff isn't working out.
 
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 28, 2013, 12:39:38 AM
@Something Fishy
Dude, your pics are amazing. Is it really that nice or it's the camera?

 ;D

Trust me, it's breathtaking over there. The best camera or photographer in the world cannot capture the feeling of sunrise at Schwabacher Landing...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: daganster on July 28, 2013, 12:41:46 AM
 
;D

Trust me, it's breathtaking over there. The best camera or photographer in the world cannot capture the feeling of sunrise at Schwabacher Landing...
Fewwww I'll add this to my travel list. Maybe a chol hamoed trip instead of taking the kids to pizza on 13th Ave ;D
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: YG on July 28, 2013, 06:26:25 AM
@something fishy

Nice photos!

Are those all single exposures, or are there a couple of HDRs?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 28, 2013, 06:54:14 AM
@something fishy

Nice photos!

Are those all single exposures, or are there a couple of HDRs?

Thanks!

The first two are HDRs, the others are single exposures.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:33:33 PM
OK Here goes:

So first thing you have to decide when you go to Yellowstone is which entrance youíll be coming in from. There are 5 entrances and each have their pros and cons.

 We ended up using the North entrance by Gardiner mainly because of the award availability at BZN. As it turned out, it seemed to work out real well for us because of the Altitude. Yellowstone is pretty high up, not high enough to cause serious issues but enough to cause my (then) pregnant wife some discomfort and shortness of breath. Turns out that the North entrance is the lowest one of the 5 helping us acclimatize by sleeping low.

The con is that if you are planning on visiting Grand Teton National Park then the North entrance is the farthest one.

Another thing to look into is someone to show you around, you can get a local guide for pretty cheap, or you can use a guidebook (we found Yellowstone Treasures  (http://www.amazon.com/Yellowstone-Treasures-Travelers-Companion-ebook/dp/B0038BZON6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374862003&sr=8-1&keywords=yellowstone+treasures) to be an excellent resource). We ended up using a Gaper Guide (http://www.gaperguide.com/) which is basically like a GPS for Yellowstone. As you drive around the park it points out different landmarks and points of interest, suggests various hikes and gives interesting anecdotes about the parkís history.


Day 1

We landed at BZN and picked up our rental car then spent the rest of the day in Bozeman picking up supplies at walmart, looking for anything Kosher at the local health food stores and dropping off a few packages of Kosher goodies at the local Shluchim. In the evening we headed out towards Yellowstone and got to Gardiner at around 11 (it gets dark really late in the summer, another plus because you can be out seeing stuff until 9-10 PM).

We stayed at a hotel called the Absaroka Lodge, a nice family owned place with beautiful views. Every room has a porch or patio overlooking the Yellowstone River and Elk come right up to the patios all the time. Itís very Heimish (when we arrived there was a homemade brownie on the table waiting for us). We stayed in a ĎKitchen Suiteí which had a small kitchenette where we could prepare our meals. We arrived at around 11, there was no one at the desk but they left us an envelope with our key and room number along with instructions to come by the next morning to check in.

Day 2

After Davening and eating breakfast with a family of Elk it was time to explore. We picked up our Gaper Guide and headed to the park.

Looking at the map you can see that the roads make a loop (actually a figure 8) called the Grand Loop Road. The Gardiner entrance is on the northwest, it joins the loop right at Mammoth Hot Springs. Being that we had 2 days to do the park, we decided to do the west side of the loop on the first day and then the east side the next day (though for some reason (I canít remember now why) we decided to skip Mammoth Hot Springs and leave them for the next day).

So starting at the entrance we passed Mammoth Hot Springs. Somewhere along the road we saw steam coming out of the side of the road so we stopped to see our first hot springs. I guess I always imagined a hot spring to be something no hotter than a hot bath, but here we saw 3 small holes in the ground with water seemingly going down forever, and bubbling away like a pot of soup, that was when I realized what the hot in Ďhot springsí meant.

We then stopped at Norris Geyser Basin which has many thermal features, including Steamboat Geyser which is known as the tallest Geyser in the world. When it erupts it blows water over 300 feet into the air! Trouble is itís highly unpredictable, and intervals between eruptions can last anywhere from a few days to 50 years (the last eruption was in 2005).

Continuing along the loop, we reached Lower Geyser Basin which has a small loop drive through it, while driving we came across a Geyser that had a few people waiting near it, turns out itís a small Geyser called White Dome Geyser with an interval of ~40 minutes, it last erupted 30 minutes ago so it was due soon. We decided to wait a bit, but even predictable geysers are not always reliable and after 20 minutes the sun did us in and we left (due to the altitude, the sun is ruthless. Take plenty of sunscreen and be really generous with it, even if you never burn).

We continued on the loop to Midway Geyser Basin, home to the Grand Prismatic Spring. There is no way to describe the awesomeness of the Grand Prismatic. All the famous pictures of it are taken from the air, and focus on the pretty color but from the ground you are struck by the sheer magnitude. Itís a huge spring 250 by 300 feet, pumping out 600 gallons of boiling hot water per minute.

From there we got to the bottom of the loop and the Old Faithfull area. We parked at the visitor center and were glad to note that Old Faithfull was due to erupt any minute. We quickly headed outside and saw an amazing site. A huge crowd, hundreds strong, was sitting around a HUGE circle, looking at a bump in the ground with some steam coming out of it.
Old faithful is known to erupt every 90 minutes +\- 10 minutes. We arrived at the beginning of this 20 minute Ďgrace periodí and apparently just to spite us the geyser decided to take an extra-long interval passing the 90 minute mark and then waiting another 15 minutes before it erupted. As you can imagine, the crowd was getting more and more impatient. In the meantime we saw Grand Geyser erupt in the distance (Grand is bigger but less predictable then Old Faithfull).
Finally after 25 minutes of waiting we were rewarded with a spectacular eruption. I was hyping myself up the whole day to see a real geyser and yet I was amazed by the raw power that can send boiling water 160 feet into the air for a full minute.
When it was finally over we decided to head back. At 6PM there was another 3 hours of daylight which could have easily been filled at the Old Faithful area, but the altitude and my wifeís pregnancy was getting to her so we headed back to the hotel for supper.

That night was the Perseid meteor shower, so after it got dark we drove up to some dark hill in the area to catch some meteors. If you are an astronomy geek, or even if you just like looking at stars Yellowstone is an awesome place. The high altitude and the clear mountain air make for amazing star watching.

Day 2


We started today by Mammoth Hot Springs with its famous terraces, then continued towards the east part of the loop. The east loop has less thermal features and more scenery and wildlife (although there is plenty of both wherever you are in Yellowstone).

We started through the North Range, all the while stopping for ďAnimal JamsĒ where traffic comes to a standstill because someone spotted a bear or a bull elk. Eventually we arrived at the Grand Canyon of Yellowstone, which while obviously doesnít compare in size with THE Grand Canyon is still really pretty, and the lower falls are probably one of the most photogenic spots in the park after Old Faithful.

We then stopped at the Mud Volcano, which is basically a cave churning out wave after wave of boiling hot mud and steam.

From there the drive took a turn for the scenic along Lake Yellowstone. We drove all around it until we got to West Thumb Geyser Basin, a Geyser Basin on the shore of Yellowstone Lake (some of the Geysers are underwater). We then completed the circuit at Old Faithful, again coming just on time to catch a beautiful eruption, then it was back to the hotel for supper and bed.

The next morning we checked out and headed back to BZN for home.


Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:40:20 PM
1. View from the hotel
2. Visitors
3. Gibson Falls
4. Our first Hot Spring
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:42:12 PM
5. A mud pot at Norris Geyser Basin
6. Grand Prismatic Spring (partial view)
7-8. Old Faithful
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:43:28 PM
9-10. Mammoth Hot Springs
11. The North Range
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:44:30 PM
12-13. Grand Canyon
14. Mud Volcano
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:45:43 PM
15. Lake Yellowstone
16-17 West Thumb Geyser Basin
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 03:46:46 PM
18. Bull Elk
19. Bison
20. Mountain Goat
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Zevwolf on July 28, 2013, 08:35:46 PM
Which airline did you take and what miles did you use?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 28, 2013, 08:48:06 PM
OK Here goes:

Awesome report!

I'm a bit jealous, you saw so much of Yellowstone :'(. I spent most of the time in the Tetons - can't wait to go back and do Yellowstone properly.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 28, 2013, 08:57:52 PM
Which airline did you take and what miles did you use?
Delta Skypessos. Shocking I know but that was in the days before I was on DDF.

Awesome report!

I'm a bit jealous, you saw so much of Yellowstone :'(. I spent most of the time in the Tetons - can't wait to go back and do Yellowstone properly.
Lol I was jealous of you because I didn't get a chance to do the Tetons.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 29, 2013, 08:18:29 PM
Delta Skypessos. Shocking I know but that was in the days before I was on DDF.
Lol I was jealous of you because I didn't get a chance to do the Tetons.
+1

Fishy, your pictures have me actually considering going back there again on my way back east, seeing what I've been missing by never doing Grand Teton properly...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 29, 2013, 08:36:19 PM
What I'm dying to do is go back to Yellowstone in the winter, it's out of this world, not to mention minus the tourists.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 29, 2013, 08:56:11 PM
What I'm dying to do is go back to Yellowstone in the winter, it's out of this world, not to mention minus the tourists.
I was there end of May / beginning of June (I don't remember exactly) and it was still winter-ish. It was absolutely deserted. IIRC it snowed when we were there.
I wanted to come in from the beartooth highway but it was still closed for the winter, other than that I think the rest of the park was open...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on July 29, 2013, 09:00:28 PM
I was there end of May / beginning of June (I don't remember exactly) and it was still winter-ish. It was absolutely deserted. IIRC it snowed when we were there.
I wanted to come in from the beartooth highway but it was still closed for the winter, other than that I think the rest of the park was open...

Dude told me he backcountry skies it during the winter, and then goes to the hotsprings and dips in the middle of nowhere (he knows which are safe)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 29, 2013, 09:19:54 PM
Dude told me he backcountry skies it during the winter, and then goes to the hotsprings and dips in the middle of nowhere (he knows which are safe)
Now that's how to spend a winter's day...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 02, 2013, 11:55:49 AM
So I got inspired by Achas Veachas to finally get around and finish my trip report from my trip to Grand Teton and Yellowstone National Parks from last June. This was a photography trip with a friend, so it wasn't your typical vacation. That means that we skipped out on most of the touristy stuff, on top of not having a standard schedule. Every day was up at 3-4 for sunrise and morning shoots, napping in the car for 2-3 hours, afternoon and sunset shoots, then astrophotography until 1 or 2. Back to the hotel for a two hour nap, and up again for sunrise.... However, I think there's still a fair amount of info here for the normal traveler, so here goes. (I've posted some of these pictures in this thread already, but I'll repost them here where they belong. Click on any picture to see a full-resolution version. If you click through, click on the location name (under the picture) to see a map with the exactly where it was taken.)

We timed this trip very carefully. We wanted to go during the shoulder season so it wouldn't be overloaded with tourists, but still have decent weather as we were going to be outdoors 100% of the time. We chose June mainly due to the fact that there would still be snow on the mountains, and also because of the increased wildlife activity due to the babies being born in spring. In a way September is prettier due to the aspens turning gold and all, but the snow on the mountains was more important to us. We also timed the trip for the week right after National Park Week, so that many people would have taken advantage of the free entrance then and won't override the parks when we were there.

Since this was a photography trip, we were planning on focusing (Get it? Focusing! ::)) mostly on the Tetons, and spend only one day in Yellowstone. This worked out pretty well, but I really regret not spending more time in Yellowstone. Not so much for photography, but for seeing more of it. For everyone going on a normal trip I'd recommend the opposite of what we did - spend most of your time in Yellowstone and a day or two max (including at least one sunrise) in the Tetons. There's far more to see and do in Yellowstone than the Tetons.

Day 1:

We flew into SLC, which is about 5 hours away from Teton Village, where we were based out of. We chose SLC due to points availability and scheduling - the latest flight out of JAC (which is the closest airport) was about 12 noon, while we were able to fly out of SLC close to midnight. This gave us good couple of hours more in the Tetons.

Other airport options are IDA, COD, and BIL. If the tickets and timing woks out, JAC is by far the most convenient. The airport is actually located in Grand Teton NP itself, and is considered one of the most beautiful landings in the world (sit on the right coming in, and on the left leaving). IDA is about 2 hours away, and you'll take the Teton Pass to get in, again ending up in the Tetons. COD is also about 2 hours away, but you'll end up in Yellowstone instead (east entrance). BIL will also take you to Yellowstone first, but through the remote and wild (wolves!) northeast side. An added benefit is that you'll be taking the Beartooth Highway to get in, and that's considered the most beautiful road in the lower 48.

At the Hertz lot there wasn't too much of a selection in the GoldChioce area, but our only real need was an SUV with a relatively high clearance, so we grabbed a Chevy Captiva with 200 miles on it. We stopped in WalMart to stock up on stuff, but we hardly found anything kosher. We did get stink eye from some locals, though ???. We also needed to pick up bear spray, which we couldn't find there either. In hindsight we should have gone to the gun department (that's where we found it in Anchorage), but we didn't think of it.

We took the I-15 through Idaho on the way up, which is considered the fastest but also the least scenic route. Dunno about that - it was pretty darn beautiful the entire way up. You drive along the Wasatch range through Utah, cross into Idaho and pass farms with huge center-pivot irrigation systems (quite interesting to see them up close, after only seeing them from planes before), and then back into beautiful mountains.

Approaching the Tetons from the Idaho side:
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Center-pivot irrigated fields from the air:
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Doing this route will take you over the Teton Pass and into Wyoming. It's a beautiful road, and quite scary at times. The grade on the way down is so steep that every mile or so there's a runaway truck ramp going almost 45 degrees up to stop out of control trucks whoíve lost their brakes. The crazy thing about them is that they're on the other side of the road - meaning that you could be going up the pass and suddenly have an out of control truck barreling straight at you in your lane.

Video screen grab of one of the ramps:
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It was snowing when we got to the top, so we stopped at the lookout for a bit and waited it out.  There's a picnic area with a fabulous view of the valley. While we were we met a German guy who had just biked up the pass. He was biking from NY to LA and was quite relieved about the fact that it's mostly downhill from here :).

The pass ends in Teton Village, where we were staying. About 5 minutes south is Jackson, which is the main town in the area. Most people call Jackson "Jackson Hole", which is wrong wrong WRONG!!! (I have geographic OCD - don't mind me :P). Jackson Hole is a geographic term for the entire area to the immediate west of the Tetons themselves - a sort of depression compared to the area around it. Being the largest town in the physical Jackson Hole, they called it Jackson.

We rented a condo through HomeAway, and were extremely happy. The place was nice and the price was nicer. We didn't get to see the Tetons much the first night due to a blizzard up in the mountains. Thankfully it was just a light snowfall in the valley which only left a dusting and was gone by morning.

Day 2:

The first day we were up at 3 and headed to Schwabacher Landing to shoot the sunrise. This is one of the most spectacular sunrise spots in the world and is a must see for anyone, not just crazy photographers waking up at 3. I don't care if you're there with 17 kids or if your wife flat-out refuses to get out of bed - it would be absolutely criminal to go to the Tetons and not see the sunrise from Schwabacher Landing. It's the most amazing sight. The sunlight hits the tip of the Grand Teton, moves over to the next peaks, then explodes all over the mountains and the rising fog. There's a thin sheet of mist rising from the Snake River at your feet, while the birds and ducks serenade you.

The parking lot is at the end of Schwabacher Landing Rd., which is just off the main park road. Right past the lot is Upper Schwabacher Landing, and five minutes down the path is Lower Schwabacher Landing (there'll be a bench at the end of the path). The upper landing has a more majestic view - it's more 'open'. You see most of the Teton Range, and more of the willow flats around the river. The lower landing is more intimate and photogenic - you're in the woods, and you only see the main peaks. But while not as majestic, it's prettier - the peaks are perfectly framed by trees, and all this is reflected in the perfectly still beaver pond in the river. Most of the year you have time to get there about 15-30 minutes after the listed sunrise time, during to a ridge to the east blocking the sun.

We spent a couple of hours there, from before sunrise till early morning. After that we davened shachris in the parking lot.

Waiting in the dark:
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The first rays of the sun kiss the very tip of Grand Teton:
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As the sun gets higher the mountains start to glow:
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Some 20 minutes later:
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A shachris like no other in the parking lot:
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After Schwabacher Landing we headed to the Antelope Flats area, which includes Mormon Row. This is a small collection of old ruins from a Mormon settlement from the early 1900s. This is the site of the Moulton Barn, know as the most photographed barn in the world. We specifically didn't go to shoot the barn, since with only 4 sunrises we didn't want to waste one on this, since that's about the only time to get a great shot of it. We now headed there to hopefully meet up with the bison herd which frequents that area.

When we got to Antelope Flats we saw the bison herd off in the distance, so we got our gear and decided to hike across the prairie to meet up with them. Slowly but surely the herd made its way closer to us, and we kept on backing back up in order to keep a safe distance from them (more people are killed or hurt in the area by bison than by all other animals combined. They say that a bison is 2000 pounds of bad temper, and man is that accurate). Eventually they forced us back into our car, after which they proceeded to make their slow and merry way across the road.

My friend fording a great and mighty river on the way to the herd:
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Bison on Antelope Flats:
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Business end:
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Mother and baby:
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Bison calf:
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Bison crossing:
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Shooting Bison:
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After that we headed back to our condo for a short nap, after which we went to shoot the sunset over Jenny Lake. We hiked down from the parking lot to a tiny 'beach' - basically an outcropping with barely any room to set up our tripods. Sunset ended up being an absolute bust - there were no colors in the sky, and the sun was a no-show. The lake is a beautiful location though.

Jenny Lake sunset with Cascade Canyon in the background:
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Our plan was to shoot star trails later on, but it was getting pretty cloudy. Instead of wasting our time we decided to get some sleep - we were exhausted, having hardly slept the last two nights. We prepared our gear for the next morning, and set our alarms for 3 again, when we would head out to shoot sunrise over Oxbow Bend.

More tk...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Ergel on August 02, 2013, 12:38:21 PM
Photographers are crazy

Link to house on homeaway? I'm sure it will be useful
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 02, 2013, 12:50:01 PM
Photographers are crazy

Link to house on homeaway? I'm sure it will be useful

Tell me about it :D

It looks like the place isn't on HA anymore, but here's a direct link for reservations (http://www.jacksonhole.net/property/La-Choumine-8), as well as some TA info (http://www.tripadvisor.com/VacationRentalReview-g60562-d2166872-1_bed_1_ba_LA_CHOUMINE_8-Teton_Village_Jackson_Hole_Wyoming.html).
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: sky121 on August 02, 2013, 12:56:46 PM
Any hiking involved to get to Schwabacher Landing?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 02, 2013, 01:00:53 PM
Awesome! I wish I would have taken an extra day to do the Tetons.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Ergel on August 02, 2013, 01:21:04 PM
Seems like a proper trip requires a shabbos, no? Seems impossible to do enough sun-Fri, correct (hence you skipping out on Yellowstone)?
Any places for shabbos driving distance?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 02, 2013, 01:26:23 PM
Any hiking involved to get to Schwabacher Landing?

Nope, just a gravel path.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 02, 2013, 01:28:19 PM
Seems like a proper trip requires a shabbos, no? Seems impossible to do enough sun-Fri, correct (hence you skipping out on Yellowstone)?
Any places for shabbos driving distance?

I'd say so. There's a Shliach in Jackson who provides meals (and sometimes a minyan) IIRC. I have a friend who did that and was quite pleased.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on September 02, 2013, 12:37:21 AM
TR Part 2. (Link to Part 1) (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg556928#msg556928)

Click on any picture to see a full-resolution version. If you click through, click on the location name (under the picture) to see a map with the exactly where it was taken.)

Day 3:

Tuesday morning we woke up at 3 again to go shoot sunrise at Oxbow Bend. This is another iconic sunrise location, and is located at the northern end of the park. This spot is more touristy than Schwabacher Landing - as soon as we were set up a bus pulled up and deposited 50 Chinese tourists right in front of us. Instead of trying to deal with them, we headed down to the river below the parking lot (off to the right) for some peace and quiet.

As a rule, both in the Tetons and Yellowstone, you should always carry bear spray if you venture off the main roads or paths. This point was driven home when we got to the river and found fresh grizzly tracks all over the place. Luckily we didn't come across any bears.

Oxbow Bend sunrise:

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Mt. Moran and pelican:

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Pelican:

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Company by the busload:

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Fresh grizzly tracks:

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After sunrise we drove around looking for a place for shachris, as we weren't gonna daven in front of 50 jabbering Chinese. In the end we found a nice quiet pull off next to Jackson Lake - beautiful setting, nice and quiet, with enough mosquitoes to turn you into a raisin.

Random beauty:

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Quick snap of the view across Jackson Lake from where we davened shachris:

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Whenever we were in the car we'd always have a camera and long lens on our laps, and constantly search for wildlife. That way we were always a heartbeat away of shooting if anything came along. For example, driving around that morning around we spotted a pronghorn antelope standing in the sagebrush just off the road. We were able to screech to a halt and grab a few shots before a crowd formed and scared it away.

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This dead tree was our nemesis. We were so alert for any sign of an animal, that every single time we passed it - without fail - one of us would slam on the brakes and shout "giraffe!" We'd pull over and lift the camera before realizing that yet again, we've been had...

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A bit later we found ourselves in a 'bear jam' - traffic was completely stopped in both directions and cars were parked all along the road.Turns out there were two grizzly cubs foraging in the bushes, but the mother was nowhere to be seen. This is a pretty dangerous situation - generally when people get hurt by bears it's because they got between the mother and the cubs. In a situation where the mother's location is unknown, you should really hightail it out of there. There were park rangers doing crowd control and making sure no one gets off the road. The bears were pretty far off, so I didn't get anything really great.

Cute little grizzly bear:

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Bear jam:

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After shachris we headed out of the park, into the Gros Ventre Wilderness. In all our research for this trip we never came across any mention of this place. This either a pity or great, depending how you look at it. On the one hand, we drove, hiked, and photographed for hours without meeting a soul; on the other, everyone who comes to the area is missing out on something awesome. The area is completely different than anywhere in Yellowstone or the Tetons - it reminded me of all the pictures I've seen of Sedona.

From Mormon Row, we took Gros Ventre Rd. out of the park. The road starts out paved (relatively speaking :P), but quickly becomes gravel. Overall the road isn't too bad, except for some very washboardy areas (which inevitably were the ones hugging the side of the mountain).

After a couple of miles you get to a pullout which overlooks a pretty lake far below, called Slide Lake. On the other side of the lake you could see a huge 'wound' in the mountain, which is the spot of a massive landslide which happened in 1925. A Huge chunk of the mountain (about 50 billion cubic yards) gave way, and a wall of debris went crashing along for a couple of miles, completely wiping out a town and killing 6 people. The landslide dammed the Gros Ventre river, creating two massive lakes - Upper and Lower Slide Lake. It's fascinating to see the huge missing chunk of the mountain, and the debris path going down to the lake.

The road continues through some beautiful country, until you get to the main attraction: huge, round, red hills, with beautiful exposed layers all in different shades, following the contours of the hills. There's a big horse ranch below them, creating an extremely pastoral and peaceful setting.

We parked on the side of the road, and hiked up one of the hills to see if we could get a better view. In the end there was far to much bear scat around for us to feel comfortable - we were quite not in the mood of bumping into a grizzly with anger management issues in such an isolated place.

We ended up spending some time shooting around the ranch and even more time trying to rescue my yarmulka from an irate horse. The weather wasn't very cooperative, but we still had a great time.

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Here you could see the entire valley - the Red Hills to the left, the ranch in the middle, and theGros Ventre River is on the right:

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Fishing for my yarmulka with my tripod:

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Heading back toward the Tetons:

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As soon as we got back into the park, we hit another traffic jam - this time it was a moose right off the road. Here too there were rangers making sure no one gets too close to the half-ton guy.

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"Do I know you?"
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Mooserazzi 8) (taken by my friend):

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After this we headed back to our apartment for a short nap, and then went back out again at 10 to shoot the night sky. For someone who's lived in the city all his life, I was very much looking forward to seeing the real night sky for the first time (we had been clouded in the first two nights).

I had planned this location down to the last foot - there were many things that had to fall into place. The spot had to have both a southern exposure (the Milky Way rises in the south) and a northern one (to add some curve to star trails). It had to be pitch dark, with no light pollution from nearby buildings or roads. On the other hand, it had to be really close to a road, since it would be extremely dangerous to be out in the middle of the night an area that's swarming with grizzlies and bison (which are actually more dangerous when startled) - we needed to be able to escape into the car if necessary. And last but not least, it had to be a pretty location - a picture of just stars is quite boring; it needs a foreground to 'anchor' it and give context.

After lots of research I found the Jackson Lake Marina. This was at the end of a long access road off the main highway, and would be virtually deserted at night. The closest light would be from Signal Mountain Lodge, up the mountain and out of view. Being a marina, you could drive the car all the way up to the boat launch by the lake. To the immediate left of the road is a long, pebble beach, which would make a perfect foreground.

The night was clear, and just driving to the lake we know that it'll be an awesome night - the stars were so bright that they were actually reflecting off the hood of the car as we were driving. When we got there, we were annoyed to see that there's a bathroom off to the right, with light streaming through the windows. And whaddya know, there's no light switch to be found. Not a problem for a 6-foot-8 guy - within 30 seconds all light bulbs were unscrewed and we were good to go ;D.

It was a glorious sight. More stars than I ever imagined existed were spread all over the sky. The milky way was rising over the trees - millions of stars clustered together in a huge band stretching from horizon to horizon, slowly moving from left to right. The light of the stars was so bright that after a few minutes we stopped using our flashlights. Below all this was the immense Jackson Lake, its waves quietly lapping on the beach, making the innumerable pieces of driftwood creak in protest. Smack in the middle, keeping the stars from falling into the water, was the entire Teton range in all its snow-covered glory.

We would have been able to just sit there and drink it all in all night, if not for the fact that we were scared out of our wits and freezing cold :P. On top of wearing bear bells and carrying bear spray, we needed a way of making constant noise. I borrowed some old cassettes from my parents along with an old Walkman. We ended up playing some old Avraham Fried tapes  - I guess the Wyoming grizzlies are more into MBD, since they stayed away from us :D.

After a bit it started getting a bit cloudy, so we decided to focus on the Milky Way that night, and on star trails the next night (since these need a pretty much cloudless sky).

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The Milky Way and a shooting star:

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More TK...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on September 02, 2013, 12:47:56 AM
1. Once again: wow, awesome! Amazing pictures and great TR.

2. I can't believe I never heard of this Gros Ventre place...

3. Next time I go there I'm definitely gonna focus more on Grand Teton than Yellowstone...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on September 02, 2013, 12:59:41 AM
Business end:
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Actually, that's a machloikes haposkim.
Some hold that this is the business end:
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on September 02, 2013, 01:03:47 AM

Actually, that's a machloikes haposkim.
Some hold that this is the business end:

ALOL.

...אלו ואלו
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 02, 2013, 08:17:23 AM
1. Once again: wohow, awesome! Amazing pictures and great TR.

2. I can't believe I never heard of this Gros Ventre place...

3. Next time I go there I'm definitely gonna focus more on Grand Teton than Yellowstone...
+1M
My thoughts exactly, on all 3 points.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: AJK on September 02, 2013, 11:36:31 AM
Simply not normal.

Makes one (re)think leaving the US on vacations...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2013, 08:57:13 PM
Stunning pics. You've got to do Banff.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on September 08, 2013, 12:34:47 AM
Stunning pics. You've got to do Banff.

Our original plan was actually to do Banff and Jasper in the wintertime, but in the end the Wyoming in spring worked out better.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yaalili on September 08, 2013, 02:03:55 AM
WOW! Those red rolling hills are a winner, would go just to see that, reminded me of red rock canyon.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on October 06, 2013, 11:22:33 PM
TR Part 3. (Link to Part 1 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg556928#msg556928) and  Part 2 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg577192#msg577192))

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Day 4:

Wednesday was Yellowstone day. It's a 3-hour drive from Teton Village (where we sere staying) to the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone, which was supposed to be our first shooting location. Since we were up most of the night before shooting the Milky Way, we decided to skip a full sunrise shoot and sleep late today - we woke up at 4 instead of 3 :P.

Going to Yellowstone (South Entrance), you pass through the entire Grand Teton NP from south to north. On the way up we passed Oxbow Bend just as the sun was rising, so we decided to make a quick stop and shoot it from a different angle than we did yesterday. We spent a few quick minutes shooting and then headed on to Yellowstone:

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Our original plan was to get to the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone about 10 o'clock, when the sun is positioned to create a rainbow at the base of the falls. However, we soon learned that there is no such thing a simply getting from point A to point B in Yellowstone. It's impossible to drive without stopping every few minutes for this or for that. The place is chock-full of amazing things to see that we stopped practically after every curve in the road. We didn't even bother taking pictures of most things; we just drank it all in (the weather was iffy too, alternating between rain, clouds, and weak sunshine). From geyser fields to roaring rivers to Yellowstone Lake (the largest high-altitude lake in the US); from narrow passes to wide open valleys with wildlife stretching as far as the eye could see, it's impossible not to be filled with awe of this amazing place.

We ended up stopping in most places, mostly just for 5 minutes or so; even so a stretch of highway that should have taken half an hour to drive took longer than 3 hours. And that's with skipping some of the more involved spots (such as West Thumb Geyser Basin, Lewis Falls, and others).

Right when you enter Yellowstone, you start seeing entire areas that were devastated by the 198 fires which burned over a third of the park. It's interesting to see all those dead lodgepole pines standing forlorn, but with a forest of brand new miniature ones already starting to reclaim the old forest.

"Circle of life":
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(The second and third pictures are a perfect example of the mixed-up weather that day - the pictures were taken 4 minutes apart but the weather is completely different)

One of the stops we made was a place called Dragons Mouth in the Mud Volcano area. It's a cave that emits boiling water, clouds of stinky sulfuric steam, all the while roaring like a monster. We watched it for a couple of minutes holding our noses, but then the wind shifted and blew the steam directly at the boardwalk, so we hightailed it out of there coughing and gagging.

Dragon's Mouth:
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One of the most amazing things about Yellowstone is the fact that everything is constantly changing. By the time I go back again, there will probably be new geothermal features, some current ones will disappear, while other will change their behavior dramatically. With more than 10,000 thermal features, it's easy to see why. The scene which left the strongest impression overall on me was not Old Faithful (we didn't even see it), or any of the famous tourists spots. It was a simple drainage grate in the Mud Volcano parking lot. Sulfuric gas was lightly steaming our of it, and the iron grate was actually being dissolved from the fumes. Sometime before we came a new vent had simply opened underneath the parking lot and was now blocking a couple of spots; in a couple of years from now, the entire parking lot may be gone.

This simple sight, more than anything, drove home to me the real power of this place:

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(You could see the light steam rising between the Tioga RV on the right and the Ford Explorer on the left.)

Continuing on, you get to the absolutely magnificent Hayden Valley. It boasts the highest concentration of wildlife in the lower 48; we saw herds of bison, deer, bald eagles, herons, cranes, and many more animals. Not to mention that the valley itself is stunningly beautiful, with the Yellowstone River and the mountains in the background.

Bald eagle pair in the Hayden Valley:
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Finally, after 3 hours and countless detours, we made it to Artist Point, overlooking the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone. The canyon is 1200 feet deep and quite spectacular. It's not nearly as massive as THE Grand Canyon, but it's got something to make up for that: at the head of the canyon, the stunning Lower Yellowstone Falls plunges 308 feet straight down, almost twice the height of Niagara. (This one also has trees, as opposed to the one in AZ :P.) As expected, we were too late to see the rainbow, but we had no regrets :D.

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The tiny people standing on the observation deck on the top of the falls should give you some sense of the immense scale:

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We then headed back to the trailhead to tackle the famous Uncle Tom's Trail. This was originally a rope and ladder affair which allowed people to climb into the canyon at the base of the falls. These days, it's a steep path leading to over 300 stairs, going more than 600' down into the canyon. Besides being extremely strenuous (the way down is also quite difficult, not to mention of course the way up), it hugs the canyon wall all the way down and is very vertigo-inducing. The stairs are also made out of perforated metal, so most of the time you could also see pretty far directly below your feet.

Personally, I'm terrified of heights (a 6' ladder gives me the heebie-jeebies), so I wasn't sure if I should even try. However, standing on the edge of the cliff at Artist Point - a spot which should have had me terrified - I noticed that I wasn't in the least bit nervous. Basically I think that since the scale was just so crazy, I didn't really see it as a typical heights situation. (I've tested this hypothesis many times since and find it to be true - in moderately high situations I'm still very nervous, but once we're talking a few hundred feet or more I'm fairly comfortable. Go figure.) In any case, I decided then that I will give Uncle Tom's Trail a try.

We emptied our packs in the car, keeping only the essential cameras and lenses, plus plenty of water. As expected, the trail ended up being extremely difficult, but yet very enjoyable. There are 'landings' every 20-30 stairs or so with benches, so it was pretty manageable. At the bottom of the trail is a platform where you could rest up and enjoy the view. You're very close to the falls, and the spray makes everything slick. The roar is unbelievable.

View of the falls about halfway down the trail:

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Cellphone shot of the trail, heading down:

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View from the bottom:

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We then headed to Midway Geyser Basin, home of Grand Prismatic Spring. GPS is the largest hot spring in the world, and one of the most beautiful. We were planning on hiking up a nearby hill to get the entire spring in view, but the trail was closed due to high bear activity. There are bears all over the Yellowstone backcountry; for a trail to be closed means that it's really really dangerous. Instead we just explored it via the boardwalk. The steam was constantly blowing toward us, so we hardly saw anything, although we were able to catch a glimpse of the different colored bacteria which give the spring its color. Overall it was like walking through regular (albeit very smelly) fog - we hardly saw anything. Earlier in the day is supposedly a better time to visit here.

Right next to Grand Prismatic Spring is Excelsior Geyser Crater, once Excelsior Geyser. This used to be one of the the biggest geysers in Yellowstone, until one of the huge eruptions messed up the internal plumbing. Now there's huge hot spring in the crater instead, pumping about 4000 gallons of boiling water into the Firehole River below it.

Excelsior Geyser Crater. The steam rising in the right background is from Grand Prismatic Spring:
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Excelsior Geyser emptying into the Firehole River:

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At this point it was almost 8 PM, so we headed up to Mammoth Hot Springs to shoot the sunset over Minerva Terraces. This really is an otherworldly place. The limestone-rich boiling water slowly builds up delicate terraces, leaving stunning multi-level formations. We were disappointed to find that the terraces were mostly dry, but it was pretty cool anyway.

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We stayed awhile, then started the 3-hour drive back to the beach on Jackson Lake in the Tetons to shoot some star trails. We got there about 1:30, and stayed for a bit more than an hour. There had been grizzlies around that day there and we were terrified :-[...

Since star trails require very long exposures, we were able to set up the shot and wait it out in the car. What causes the star trails is the rotation of the earth, while the stars stay still. Since it's a long exposure, the stars get recorded on the sensor as a trails of light. The long exposure also picks up things which are almost invisible to the human eye - the orange glow on the left side are the lights from Idaho Falls, ID, more than 80 miles away.

The greenish streaks on the right are actually the Northern Lights, visible due to the long exposure.

This is a 20-minute exposure - the star trails are longer, but the Aurora is less structured:
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This exposure is 8 minutes - shorter star trails, but a better looking Aurora:

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More TK...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on October 07, 2013, 12:05:45 AM
Fishy: Awesome as usual!

Uncle Tom's trail takes you to the upper falls, right?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on October 07, 2013, 12:09:07 AM
Fishy: Awesome as usual!

Uncle Tom's trail takes you to the upper falls, right?

Thanks!

The trail actually takes you to the lower falls, the upper one is pretty much a plain old waterfall.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SamKey on October 07, 2013, 01:18:02 AM
WOW!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: sky121 on October 23, 2013, 12:06:46 AM
http://www.photographyblogger.net/god-beam-surreal-light-over-the-tetons-by-grant-ordelheide/
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yehuda S on October 23, 2013, 01:11:58 AM
Can't believe I missed these.

AMAZING!  ;D

Don't stop travelling.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on November 24, 2013, 02:26:32 AM
TR Part 4. (Link to Part 1 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg556928#msg556928),  Part 2 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg577192#msg577192), and Part 3 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3076.msg595061#msg595061))
 
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Day 5:
 
Today was our last day. We had gotten back from Jackson Lake at 3:45, so we grabbed a quick nap, then woke up at 4:45 for a final sunrise shoot. I had found a little known spot far off the beaten path overlooking Hendricks Pond and the entire Teton range, so we headed over. We had to take a series of dirt roads (tracks, really) to get there. We didn't have a chance to scout it out the day before, so we got lost a bit in the dark in the maze of tracks. When we finally found the spot the best light had gone, but it was still quite beautiful.
 
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We then went back to the apartment, davened, ate, and slept for an hour or so. We had two hours before we had to head back to SLC, so we decided to drive around looking for some more wildlife. Right away, we came across an odd sight: some 50 or so seniors lined up at the side of the road with spotting scopes, silent as the night and not moving a muscle. Turns out they had spotted a spotted owl (heh ::)), which is evidently somewhat rare in the park. We were obviously being to loud or something, as we were getting some serious stink eye every time we as much moved. After concluding that there's nothing to see, we continued on.
 
Not five minutes later we came across a real wildlife jam - a moose was taking a bath in a nearby creek. This was a seriously big bull, and he was not happy at all with all those people staring at him. He got a bit antsy and started false-charging people, but then the rangers showed up and herded everyone off to a safe distance.

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This great blue heron was enjoying the show:
 
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After a while something caught his attention Ė his date had shown up:
 
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They then had a nice, romantic lunch together:

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Then they disappeared into the bushes, presumably headed back to his apartment.

All too soon it was time to head back to the airport. Back over Teton Pass (this time in beautiful weather), through Idaho and into Utah. We had an 11:30pm flight, so we got to the SLC area with some time to spare. We started looking around for a spot for a final sunset shoot, but couldn't find anything overly interesting. Playing around with Google maps, we discovered that the Hill Air Force base in Odgen, UT maintains a small AF museum. We figured we could at least get some interesting shots of the planes and missiles on display.
 
We got there only to find it closed for the day. The planes and everything were still clearly visible on the other side of the fence, so we drove up to the guard at the main gate to the base (which was right next to the museum entrance) to find out if weíre allowed to shoot over the fence. I parked the car a short distance from the guard booths, and walked over. The guard got visibly nervous the closer I got, and had his gun out of the holster by the time I came up to him. As soon as it was clear that Iím not planning on blowing myself up, he relaxed and told me that we could take as many pictures as we wanted so long as we donít point our cameras in the direction of the base or security installations.
 
Great, right? So we get out of the car and get a couple of shots. Not two minutes go by when we are surrounded by 3 military police jeeps, lights flashing and sirens blaring. The biggest MP marches over and tells us not to move, and that the base commander in on his way over.  :o :o :o
 
We had to wait just a minute or two for him to show up, but it felt like an eternity. We had already said goodbye to catching our flight home, not to mention getting home before shabbos (this was late Thursday). And this was already the best case scenarioÖ Finally the base commander shows up, and to our surprise (and relief!) turns out to be this young, easygoing guy. He wanted to know who we were and where weíre from, what were we doing in the area, etc., etc., all standard questions. We had to show him some of the pictures we took on our trip, but at that point he was pretty convinced that we didn't represent Al-Qaeda. We explained that we had specifically asked for, and had been given, permission from the guard at the gate.

This got him mad. "Either he gives you permission and lets you be, or he doesn't and calls security! What's he think he's doing, giving you permission and then calling for backup...". He promised he'll "take care" of the guard later. (What we assume happened was that the guard probably figured we'll pull out some phones, or at most a little point and shoot, but when we took out serious equipment and long lenses he panicked.) In any case, he explained that whenever there's a "security incident" he has to write a full report, so we now have our names on some government list as potential terrorists or who knows what :o.
 
In the end, we only shot for like two minutes before the cavalry showed up, so all I got were a couple of shots of a B-52 Stratofortress:

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After that we heeded straight to the airport and were exceedingly happy to make it through security after all this :D.
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Overall, it was an absolutely fantastic trip. For most people, I would recommend that you do it the opposite of us - spend most of your time in Yellowstone, and a day or two in the Tetons. Yellowstone is far more interesting, while the Tetons are prettier. In fact, my only regret about this entire trip is that we didn't get to spend more time in Yellowstone.

Here you'd find some of the most dramatic scenery in in the US, the largest collection of thermal features in the entire world, and the most wildlife south of Alaska. It truly is a fascinating place to visit.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: HP58 on November 24, 2013, 02:38:59 AM
WOW! Amazing, fascinating TR, very well written! And the pics are really something else! Thank you very much! Will be sure to make use of this next time I'm in the area! (I've done CO,UT,AZ the last 5 summers, so I guess this is the next step...)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Dan on November 29, 2013, 03:19:18 PM
Great TR.
How did you get the moose to smile for ya :D
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on November 29, 2013, 03:29:01 PM
Great TR.
How did you get the moose to smile for ya :D

I told him he could eat my friend when we were done :D.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mendoul on February 06, 2014, 10:04:55 AM
can we do Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park in the winter or is better to wait for the summer?

thank you
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 06, 2014, 10:21:57 AM
can we do Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park in the winter or is better to wait for the summer?

thank you
It's supposed to be amazing in the winter but more challenging, most of the park doesn't get plowed and can only be accessed by snowmobile.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Galitzyaner on January 01, 2015, 01:59:05 AM
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: HP58 on January 03, 2015, 12:19:39 PM
Awesome TR and pics SF! You're really making me want to go to Yellowstone this summer...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 07, 2015, 10:44:34 PM
Hi, 1)is Yellowstone and Tetons park kids accessible? 2)Is chal hamoad Pesach a good idea going there? (beginning of April)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 07, 2015, 10:45:43 PM
Hi, 1)is Yellowstone and Tetons park kids accessible? 2)Is chal hamoad Pesach a good idea going there? (beginning of April)

1) Absolutely
2) May still be very cold. We had snow in June.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 07, 2015, 10:48:42 PM
1) Absolutely
2) May still be very cold. We had snow in June.
Thanks, that was quick... actually just saw that the average weather in April is 35f so I'm thinking of doing it this summer, where should i spend more time? (thinking of going Sunday-Wednesday) Yes i know I'm early but its never too early to plan a vacation :)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 07, 2015, 10:56:43 PM
Thanks, that was quick... actually just saw that the average weather in April is 35f so I'm thinking of doing it this summer, where should i spend more time? (thinking of going Sunday-Wednesday) Yes i know I'm early but its never too early to plan a vacation :)

Sunday-Wednesday is quite short, especially if you're not planning on flying into JAC. In any case, I'd say one day in the Tetons and the rest in Yellowstone. If you could stay longer maybe do two days in the Tetons.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 08, 2015, 09:55:54 AM
1) Absolutely
2) May still be very cold. We had snow in June.
Just want to confirm, that it is kids accessible "even with a stroller" Also, is it safe with all the wildlife there?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 09:58:48 AM
Just want to confirm, that it is kids accessible "even with a stroller" Also, is it safe with all the wildlife there?
Much of Yellowstone is stroller accessible.

You should be fine with the wildlife as long as you don't do anything stupid (read: taking a selfy while riding on the back of a bison is NOT a good idea...)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 10:02:18 AM
Much of Yellowstone is stroller accessible.

You should be fine with the wildlife as long as you don't do anything stupid (read: taking a selfy while riding on the back of a bison is NOT a good idea...)

Now that would be an EPIC picture.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 08, 2015, 10:08:33 AM
Much of Yellowstone is stroller accessible.

You should be fine with the wildlife as long as you don't do anything stupid (read: taking a selfy while riding on the back of a bison is NOT a good idea...)
And tetons park is also kids accessible? (I saw that there are Gondola's there.)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 10:12:57 AM
And tetons park is also kids accessible? (I saw that there are Gondola's there.)

Yes.

They're are no gondolas in the park, but there might be some in Jackson or Teton Village just outside.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 08, 2015, 10:16:15 AM
Yes.

They're are no gondolas in the park, but there might be some in Jackson or Teton Village just outside.
Thanks. I guess I'll plan out the details closer to the summer  
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on January 08, 2015, 12:09:43 PM
taking a selfy while riding on the back of a bison is NOT a good idea...
And if you try to take a picture of the bison that's 6" away from your open car window with a crappy camera you'll probably just end up with a picture like this:
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Sport on January 08, 2015, 12:42:51 PM
I wouldn't take young kids to Yellowstone, unless they're fine sitting in a car for long stretches of time. There's alot of driving and getting in and out of the car. Unless of course you just do one area which I recommend anyways.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on January 08, 2015, 03:49:59 PM
I aint takin' my kids to national pahks.  Just rentin' a cabin in a pretty spot and letting them runnaround and go fishin' and grill meat.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 08, 2015, 07:44:41 PM
I wouldn't take young kids to Yellowstone, unless they're fine sitting in a car for long stretches of time. There's alot of driving and getting in and out of the car. Unless of course you just do one area which I recommend anyways.
Were you there? Which "one area" are you referring to?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 08:10:07 PM
Were you there? Which "one area" are you referring to?
I guess you can spend a few hours in the Lower Geyser Basin (Old Faithful area) sitting around and waiting for geysers to erupt. Most geysers there are wheelchair accessible. Good luck keeping your kids entertained for the time it takes though...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on January 08, 2015, 08:24:26 PM
I wouldn't take young kids to Yellowstone, unless they're fine sitting in a car for long stretches of time. There's alot of driving and getting in and out of the car. Unless of course you just do one area which I recommend anyways.
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I don't think there's anything particularly kid-unfriendly about Yellowstone. Sure you'll have to drive a little to get to the different areas, but you're (almost) always right near somewhere to stop with something to see/do if you want.
If your kids can't sit in a car for a half an hour then you're screwed no matter where you go...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on January 08, 2015, 08:29:10 PM
Good luck keeping your kids entertained for the time it takes though...
+1, always assume that you'll get to Old Faithful right after it erupted and you'll need to sit around waiting for an hour and 20 minutes :)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 08:31:42 PM
+1, always assume that you'll get to Old Faithful right after it erupted and you'll need to sit around waiting for an hour and 20 minutes :)
lol in that sense we were lucky. Old Faithful always erupted for us as soon as we walked out the doors of the Visitors Center :P
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 09:19:24 PM
http://geysertimes.org/

Problem solved.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 08, 2015, 09:25:33 PM
http://geysertimes.org/

Problem solved.
Thanks. But what do i have from knowing the "last" eruption? Any way of figuring out when the next one will be?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 09:26:51 PM
Thanks. But what do i have from knowing the "last" eruption? Any way of figuring out when the next one will be?


you'll need to sit around waiting for an hour and 20 minutes :)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 09:27:32 PM
http://geysertimes.org/

Problem solved.
The predicted times are anywhere between +/- 10 min to +/- 1 hour...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Sport on January 08, 2015, 09:30:03 PM

-1
I don't think there's anything particularly kid-unfriendly about Yellowstone. Sure you'll have to drive a little to get to the different areas, but you're (almost) always right near somewhere to stop with something to see/do if you want.
If your kids can't sit in a car for a half an hour then you're screwed no matter where you go...
I recall sitting in the car for over an hour several times a day while trying to make my way through the park.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 09:30:23 PM
The predicted times are anywhere between +/- 10 min to +/- 1 hour...

For some of the more unpredictable geysers. But Old Faithful is called that for a reason - it's predictable. Using that site you know when the last one was, hence you know when the next one will be give or take a few short minutes.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Sport on January 08, 2015, 09:32:45 PM

Were you there? Which "one area" are you referring to?
yes twice, into the only part realy worth seeing is the grand canyon of Yellowstone. I know there's no way that someone going for the first time will pass up on seeing the geysers and hot springs. But there not worth the schlep especially with children. Exception being old faithful.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 08, 2015, 09:36:27 PM
yes twice, into the only part realy worth seeing is the grand canyon of Yellowstone. I know there's no way that someone going for the first time will pass up on seeing the geysers and hot springs. But there not worth the schlep especially with children. Exception being old faithful.
Oh. So I'm a bit confused. The main thing there is the grand canyon? I was actually in the real grand canyon in AZ. And i wouldn't go to Yellowstone in that case.
Title: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Sport on January 08, 2015, 09:37:55 PM
Oh. So I'm a bit confused. The main thing there is the grand canyon? I was actually in the real grand canyon in AZ. And i wouldn't go to Yellowstone in that case.
very different,
Again thus is my opinion. You may enjoy aspects of nature that I don't.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 10:02:59 PM
For some of the more unpredictable geysers. But Old Faithful is called that for a reason - it's predictable. Using that site you know when the last one was, hence you know when the next one will be give or take a few short minutes.

Old Faithful is +/- 10 minutes (i.e. a 20 minute range), the more unpredictable ones have ranges within a few hours....

http://www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/geyseractivity.htm
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 10:18:47 PM
Old Faithful is +/- 10 minutes (i.e. a 20 minute range)

Yes, and that was what the conversation was about.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 10:24:28 PM
yes twice, into the only part realy worth seeing is the grand canyon of Yellowstone. I know there's no way that someone going for the first time will pass up on seeing the geysers and hot springs. But there not worth the schlep especially with children. Exception being old faithful.

-1000000

I'd like to see anyone with a soul - kid or adult - not being in utter and complete awe of the Hayden Valley. Of the boiling water pouring into the Firehole River. Of the insane Minerva Terraces. Of Grand Prismatic Spring. Of the countless wildlife at each and every turn.

If something the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone is one of the more boring places (relatively speaking, it's still not to be missed).
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 10:33:04 PM

If something the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone is one of the more boring places (relatively speaking, it's still not to be missed).
+1
While it's definitely more amazing than anything I can find in Brooklyn I wouldn't say it was the highlight of our trip...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Sport on January 08, 2015, 10:44:49 PM

-1000000

I'd like to see anyone with a soul - kid or adult - not being in utter and complete awe of the Hayden Valley. Of the boiling water pouring into the Firehole River. Of the insane Minerva Terraces. Of Grand Prismatic Spring. Of the countless wildlife at each and every turn.

If something the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone is one of the more boring places (relatively speaking, it's still not to be missed).
+1
While it's definitely more amazing than anything I can find in Brooklyn I wouldn't say it was the highlight of our trip...
apparently we appreciate different aspects of nature.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2015, 10:58:56 PM
apparently we appreciate different aspects of nature.
Don't get me wrong, the Grand Canyon IS amazing. There's just so many amazing sights in Yellowstone...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 11:16:47 PM
apparently we appreciate different aspects of nature.

I guess to each their own :D
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on January 08, 2015, 11:17:10 PM
Don't get me wrong, the Grand Canyon IS amazing. There's just so many amazing sights in Yellowstone...

Precisely!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on January 09, 2015, 08:16:55 AM
I love the out of doors and nature, but I'm not sure I see myself sitting in Yellowstone traffic for a week so that my kids can see some stuff that they don't even know enough to know is cool. I'd rather take them hiking in the Adirondacks or someat.

Edit: I'd rather take them hiking in yellowstone.  Did you know that something like 90% of visitors to the park don't get more than a mile off the pavement?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 10, 2015, 08:11:17 PM
I guess you can spend a few hours in the Lower Geyser Basin (Old Faithful area) sitting around and waiting for geysers to erupt. Most geysers there are wheelchair accessible. Good luck keeping your kids entertained for the time it takes though...
I received today the book that you recommended: Yellowstone treasures, it has all my questions answered + many other info. Thanks
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 10, 2015, 08:18:52 PM
I received today the book that you recommended: Yellowstone treasures, it has all my questions answered + many other info. Thanks
Did you get the latest version? Yellowstone is a very dynamic place, things change all the time (especially info regarding the thermal features etc.)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 10, 2015, 08:22:23 PM
Did you get the latest version? Yellowstone is a very dynamic place, things change all the time (especially info regarding the thermal features etc.)
4'th addition 2011 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0970687389
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 10, 2015, 08:45:24 PM
4'th addition 2011 http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0970687389
The link you posted shows the 2013 edition....
I thought there was a later one, I guess not...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 10, 2015, 09:00:58 PM
Oh. Correct its 2013
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 21, 2015, 11:06:38 PM
How is the bear safety in the park? from reading books and brochures like this one on the second page (http://yellowstonenationalpark.com/planner.htm) it sounds like a serious concern. Is it just like the Catskills or scarier?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 22, 2015, 09:55:30 AM
How is the bear safety in the park? from reading books and brochures like this one on the second page (http://yellowstonenationalpark.com/planner.htm) it sounds like a serious concern. Is it just like the Catskills or scarier?
If you are not planning on going off the road then you have nothing at all to worry about from bears.

If you plan on doing back country hiking just follow instructions and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: VacationLover on January 22, 2015, 10:01:29 AM
If you are not planning on going off the road then you have nothing at all to worry about from bears.

If you plan on doing back country hiking just follow instructions and you'll be fine.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: bilbo baggins on January 22, 2015, 10:16:18 AM
Took my kids and on a 3 week trip a few years back to Yosemite- absolutely gorgeous!  have been thinking about Yellowstone, been looking at taking the "Empire Builder" (northern route) on Amtrak out of Chicago, getting off at Glacier Park, MT, then driving south to Yellowstone, and continuing to Denver to fly out.  Empire route is supposed to be very pretty (although not sure of the car rental rates one-way from Glacier...).
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on January 19, 2016, 08:08:58 AM
Planing a Yellowstone trip this summer with 4 kids 7/4 -7/13. Anyone else going around then? It's seems like I am going to need to buy and leave there a grill, cooler, microwave/toaster over. Looking to split it with some who will be there before or after me.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 03, 2016, 12:12:43 PM
Planing a Yellowstone trip this summer with 4 kids 7/4 -7/13. Anyone else going around then? It's seems like I am going to need to buy and leave there a grill, cooler, microwave/toaster over. Looking to split it with some who will be there before or after me.
Bump
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yslkwd on July 17, 2016, 12:41:43 AM
I'm planning a Yellowstone/grand Teton trip in August
I would appreciate if anyone could give me their favorite sites in both
thanks
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Sport on July 17, 2016, 09:10:23 AM
I'm planning a Yellowstone/grand Teton trip in August
I would appreciate if anyone could give me their favorite sites in both
thanks
Kayaking on  Jenny lake. Dont waste too much time going to the geysers.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on July 17, 2016, 11:14:01 AM
Kayaking on  Jenny lake. Dont waste too much time going to the geysers.

+1

The geysers are cool in the beginning but after a few of the classic ones (old faithful...) it gets repetitive. I did one day doing different trails that had geysers, that was more than enough.
The canyon there is absolutely stunning (some people think its as nice as the Grand Canyon, although very different) Also, there is phenomenal whute water rafting in the area if that your thing. Those were my favorite 2 things when I went.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: tzifanya54 on July 18, 2016, 01:13:12 AM
Yup. Deffinetly don't miss the canyon. I was there at sunset and it was unreal.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 18, 2016, 11:46:47 AM
There's a fairly short but quite steep (it's basically one long switchback all the way down) trail that takes you right to the top of the waterfall. I can't remember the name of it right now but I've done it a couple of times and I'd recommend it. The trail itself is rather boring but it has the advantage of being stroller-friendly and the "payoff" at the end is quite nice.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 18, 2016, 12:02:50 PM
There's a fairly short but quite steep (it's basically one long switchback all the way down) trail that takes you right to the top of the waterfall. I can't remember the name of it right now but I've done it a couple of times, and I'd recommend it. The trail itself is rather boring but it has the advantage of being stroller-friendly and the "payoff" at the end is quite nice.
I should've been a little clearer, (it's probably obvious once you've been there, but I shouldn't assume everybody knows what I'm talking about) the waterfall I'm talking about is the lower falls, it's in the Canyon Village area.

For seeing wildlife, (particularly bison,) IME the best place has always been the Hayden valley area. i.e. the area between Canyon Village and the Lake.
I was told by a ranger that the road at the northern part of the park,  between mammoth springs and where you get the road heading down to canyon village is supposed to be good for seeing bears but when I went there we didn't see anything at all. (I wouldn't judge based only on that. I was in Yellowstone for one day on this trip and drove through most of the park, it was pretty rainy that day and save for a few deer/elk we didn't see any animals anywhere.)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: tzifanya54 on July 18, 2016, 01:28:54 PM
There's a fairly short but quite steep (it's basically one long switchback all the way down) trail that takes you right to the top of the waterfall. I can't remember the name of it right now but I've done it a couple of times, and I'd recommend it. The trail itself is rather boring but it has the advantage of being stroller-friendly and the "payoff" at the end is quite nice.
+1
Definitely worthwhile as well.
Title: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 18, 2016, 01:49:48 PM
I should've been a little clearer, (it's probably obvious once you've been there, but I shouldn't assume everybody knows what I'm talking about) the waterfall I'm talking about is the lower falls, it's in the Canyon Village area.

For seeing wildlife, (particularly bison,) IME the best place has always been the Hayden valley area. i.e. the area between Canyon Village and the Lake.
I was told by a ranger that the road at the northern part of the park,  between mammoth springs and where you get the road heading down to canyon village is supposed to be good for seeing bears but when I went there we didn't see anything at all. (I wouldn't judge based only on that. I was in Yellowstone for one day on this trip and drove through most of the park, it was pretty rainy that day and save for a few deer/elk we didn't see any animals anywhere.)
I believe it's called either uncle toms trail or uncle toms cabin trail +1 I really enjoyed it as well
Edit: I'm talking about a diff trail that is not stroller friendly basically a bunch of steps to get a real good view of the lower waterfall. If you have kids then you are stuck with this trail of not skip it for uncle toms...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 18, 2016, 01:57:08 PM
I believe it's called either uncle toms trail or uncle toms cabin trail +1 I really enjoyed it as well
Edit: I'm talking about a diff trail that is not stroller friendly basically a bunch of steps to get a real good view of the lower waterfall. If you have kids then you are stuck with this trail of not skip it for uncle toms...

Uncle Toms is the exact opposite of stroller friendly...

+1 on Hayden Valley, there's a good reason its called the Serengeti of the west. Also the Antelope Flats area of the Tetons usually has a high concentration of wildlife.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 18, 2016, 01:57:54 PM
Cmiiw the trail Whyme is talking about takes you right on top of the falls right where I have drawn an arrow(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160718/aa744e5edef55fec1d224edb19d8a543.jpg)
The trail in talking about is where I took this pic
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 18, 2016, 02:16:49 PM


Cmiiw the trail Whyme is talking about takes you right on top of the falls right where I have drawn an arrow
yes, exactly.

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 20, 2016, 08:04:02 AM
yes, exactly.
It's called lower falls, it's 600 feet downhill. I just did it with a stroller. Every one passing me though I was nuts. Most ppl have baby carriers.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 20, 2016, 08:06:52 AM
I'm planning a Yellowstone/grand Teton trip in August
I would appreciate if anyone could give me their favorite sites in both
thanks
Just got back from Yellowstone. How many days are you planning to stay in a park ? How many kids and what ages ? Where are you staying ?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yslkwd on July 21, 2016, 12:14:29 AM
Sunday to Thursday
me my wife and little baby
staying as of now in Driggs Idaho
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 21, 2016, 12:23:36 AM
staying as of now in Driggs Idaho

You realize that that's a 4-hour drive to Yellowstone, right? Even to the Tetons it's a very difficult 1-hour drive over Teton Pass.

Doesn't sound remotely practical to me, let alone with a baby.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on July 21, 2016, 12:34:07 AM
You realize that that's a 4-hour drive to Yellowstone, right? Even to the Tetons it's a very difficult 1-hour drive over Teton Pass.

Doesn't sound remotely practical to me, let alone with a baby.

The drive over is excllent
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 21, 2016, 12:35:33 AM
The drive over is excllent

Not if it rains... Very steep grade and very high up. Not something most people want to drive twice a day.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 21, 2016, 12:35:59 AM
You realize that that's a 4-hour drive to Yellowstone, right? Even to the Tetons it's a very difficult 1-hour drive over Teton Pass.

Doesn't sound remotely practical to me, let alone with a baby.

Driggs to the West Yellowstone entrance is two hours, but its a fun drive (I had to stop for cows in the road). Then again I am not sure I would want to do it everyday. Then you are going to need to drive all around Yellowstone. Its not really all that practical. If its not too late, see if you can get a place in Big Sky MT. Its a little less than an hour from West Yellowstone and there is what to do in Big Sky itself. If you PM me, I can give you the number of place we stayed at, it cost us $200 on Airbnb (I used the gift cards from the Amex promo,so it netted me around $100 a night) for a nice three bedroom townhouse.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 21, 2016, 12:38:36 AM
Driggs to the West Yellowstone entrance is two hours

Right on that count, my mistake. For some reason I timed it to the East entrance instead of West ::).
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on July 21, 2016, 12:51:23 AM
Driggs to the West Yellowstone entrance is two hours, but its a fun drive (I had to stop for cows in the road). Then again I am not sure I would want to do it everyday. Then you are going to need to drive all around Yellowstone. Its not really all that practical. If its not too late, see if you can get a place in Big Sky MT. Its a little less than an hour from West Yellowstone and there is what to do in Big Sky itself. If you PM me, I can give you the number of place we stayed at, it cost us $200 on Airbnb (I used the gift cards from the Amex promo,so it netted me around $100 a night) for a nice three bedroom townhouse.

Finding hotels is the hardest part of Yellowstone trip. Everything is an hour deive from any hotel. Near Jackson Hole through a chabad discount we found something nice, close to white water rafting and other stuff but not that close to yellowstone.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 21, 2016, 01:09:40 AM
That's why you have to stay at old faithful inn
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 21, 2016, 08:32:41 AM
That's why you have to stay at old faithful inn
And you probably made your reservation a year in advance and paid a pretty penny for a room. Are the rooms even nice ? What type of hotel would you compare it to?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 21, 2016, 10:43:25 AM
And you probably made your reservation a year in advance and paid a pretty penny for a room. Are the rooms even nice ? What type of hotel would you compare it to?
Crazy story...I booked my room the day of my stay iirc it was $200 (all lodging is controlled by the national parks, so the prices are kept relatively low) it's really hard to compare it to anything else.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on July 21, 2016, 11:11:51 AM
And you probably made your reservation a year in advance and paid a pretty penny for a room. Are the rooms even nice ? What type of hotel would you compare it to?

+1

I tried 3 months in advance and they were pretty much booked.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 21, 2016, 12:10:48 PM
Did anyone here consider camping in the park?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on July 21, 2016, 12:16:12 PM
Did anyone here consider camping in the park?

Yah. Did.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: shulem92 on July 21, 2016, 12:37:46 PM
That's why you have to stay at old faithful inn
+1
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 21, 2016, 12:50:14 PM
Did anyone here consider camping in the park?
Wife would not hear of it. Maybe we should do a Yellowstone DO and do some serious camping and hiking. We might even get a chance to use our bear sprays.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yslkwd on July 21, 2016, 11:45:53 PM
Driggs is 2 hours from west yellowstone or south yellowstone going through grand teton
I was thinking to go through grand teton 2 days, starting there and driving 1 side of the loop each day.  And continuing to see a little in yellowstone and the other days to go through west yellowstone
Also I'm flying through JAC which is less than an hour to hotel
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: csl1 on July 22, 2016, 12:34:23 PM
We are planning a 7 day trip to Grand Teton in the end of August. We were originally considering staying in Driggs, ID due to cheaper lodging (and less rustic accomodations) but realized that it is over an hour's drive to the major hiking areas where we want to be. To us, we don't think it's worthwhile spending so much time on the road when we can be in Teton Village. Enjoy your trip.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 22, 2016, 12:39:18 PM
Driggs is 2 hours from west yellowstone or south yellowstone going through grand teton
I was thinking to go through grand teton 2 days, starting there and driving 1 side of the loop each day.  And continuing to see a little in yellowstone and the other days to go through west yellowstone
Also I'm flying through JAC which is less than an hour to hotel

Got Ya, I am not sure how much timing you are planing to spend in Grand Teton, but if are not going to do hikes, I think 1 day should be enough. Save the extra time for Yellowstone, there is so much more to see there. I spent 2 full days in Yellowstone and I missed a few things. Wish I had another day or so, but I was traveling with 4 little kids, so we needed to take a days off in between so they keep their sanity.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: csl1 on July 22, 2016, 01:20:18 PM
did you go to Grand Teton at all?  or was this an exclusively Yellowstone trip
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 22, 2016, 01:29:38 PM
did you go to Grand Teton at all?  or was this an exclusively Yellowstone trip
Yeah, we spent a day and half in Grand Teton. Did Inspiration Point hike at Jenni lake. It was awesome, but due to the ages of my kids we did not do any other hikes. Would have love to do more. 
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: tzifanya54 on July 22, 2016, 02:20:53 PM
Yeah, we spent a day and half in Grand Teton. Did Inspiration Point hike at Jenni lake. It was awesome, but due to the ages of my kids we did not do any other hikes. Would have love to do more.
+1
on Jenni lake from the best boating I've ever done.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yslkwd on July 22, 2016, 03:24:37 PM
Got Ya, I am not sure how much timing you are planing to spend in Grand Teton, but if are not going to do hikes, I think 1 day should be enough. Save the extra time for Yellowstone, there is so much more to see there. I spent 2 full days in Yellowstone and I missed a few things. Wish I had another day or so, but I was traveling with 4 little kids, so we needed to take a days off in between so they keep their sanity.

Which things do you see in Yellowstone?
can you rank them?
We're probably only going to do  one hike  (Jenny Lake) just figured going trough Grand teton doesn't add much extra time than straight to west yellowstone so we can spend 2 partial days there and continue to south yellowstone
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: csl1 on July 22, 2016, 03:57:57 PM
Yeah, we spent a day and half in Grand Teton. Did Inspiration Point hike at Jenni lake. It was awesome, but due to the ages of my kids we did not do any other hikes. Would have love to do more.

we are going with two children ages 6 and 9 and hope to iyh be hiking in Grand Teton, in addition to  the boating, fishing and wildlife viewing. Thank you Something Fishy for your trip report for the sunrise locations.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 22, 2016, 04:51:15 PM
Which things do you see in Yellowstone?
can you rank them?
We're probably only going to do  one hike  (Jenny Lake) just figured going trough Grand teton doesn't add much extra time than straight to west yellowstone so we can spend 2 partial days there and continue to south yellowstone

1) Old Faithful
2) Grand Prismatic
3) Canyon (all I did was Lower Falls, but there is Upper Falls and Uncle Toms lookout as well) 
4) Monmouth Hot Springs and Boiling River (but they are at the North entrance- if you are short of time then I would skip these)
5) Random stops at additional thermal features.
6) Drive thru Lemar Valley at dusk to see wildlife. (I didn't see much, I am bit confused if I even drove thru it)
7) Drive thru Haden Valley at dusk to see wildlife. (I didn't see much more than in the park during the day)

Guys, what else did I miss ?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 22, 2016, 04:55:26 PM
we are going with two children ages 6 and 9 and hope to iyh be hiking in Grand Teton, in addition to  the boating, fishing and wildlife viewing. Thank you Something Fishy for your trip report for the sunrise locations.
What grade in your 9 year old in? There is a program for free entrance fee to the parks if your child is in 4th grade. I believe it's finishing 4th grade, not entering 4th grade. You need to get some paperwork first.

There are also great Junior Ranger activity books and classes for the kids. They kept my kids busy during the long drives.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on July 22, 2016, 06:59:06 PM
1) Old Faithful
2) Grand Prismatic
3) Canyon (all I did was Lower Falls, but there is Upper Falls and Uncle Toms lookout as well) 
4) Monmouth Hot Springs and Boiling River (but they are at the North entrance- if you are short of time then I would skip these)
5) Random stops at additional thermal features.
6) Drive thru Lemar Valley at dusk to see wildlife. (I didn't see much, I am bit confused if I even drove thru it)
7) Drive thru Haden Valley at dusk to see wildlife. (I didn't see much more than in the park during the day)

Guys, what else did I miss ?

Good job with this list.
There is also Yellowstone lake which is nice. Also, there are some other nice geysers all around like the geyser basin (midway) and others. There are so many hikes and views to see there that many people dont know aboit so just try to see as much as possible and enjoy!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: csl1 on July 24, 2016, 11:22:10 AM
What grade in your 9 year old in? There is a program for free entrance fee to the parks if your child is in 4th grade. I believe it's finishing 4th grade, not entering 4th grade. You need to get some paperwork first.

There are also great Junior Ranger activity books and classes for the kids. They kept my kids busy during the long drives.

Thanks for the heads up on this fun promotion! I will look into this to enable us free entrance for the week!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Ezriel on July 24, 2016, 12:16:21 PM
Any place to be with a family on Shabboss in the area?
Shul, Food, etc.?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on July 24, 2016, 12:21:30 PM
Any place to be with a family on Shabboss in the area?
Shul, Food, etc.?

There is a chabad in Jackson Hole. They have some kisher items in the supermarket there. When I was there we only got a minyan for friday night. Call them, they have lots of useful information.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 24, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
The other Chabad is in Bozeman Montana during the summer months he usually has a minyan on shabbos. I really enjoyed my shabbos there
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Ezriel on July 24, 2016, 12:44:54 PM
Any reason to prefer one of them other than the Mikvah?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on July 24, 2016, 01:13:33 PM
Any reason to prefer one of them other than the Mikvah?

People say the Montana one you have better chance of minyan. (Was never ther only in Jackson hole)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on July 24, 2016, 01:15:00 PM
There's another chabad elsewhere in montana. Can't recall the name of the town.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 25, 2016, 03:55:54 PM
There's another chabad elsewhere in montana. Can't recall the name of the town.
IIRC it's Missoula
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 25, 2016, 03:58:06 PM
IIRC it's Missoula
Thats farther away than Bozeman. Also when I was in Bozeman the rabbi from Missoula was there for shabbos
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on July 25, 2016, 11:17:25 PM
Any reason to prefer one of them other than the Mikvah?
Around four hours from each other.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yakrot on July 25, 2016, 11:40:45 PM
Around four hours from each other.
It's only 4 hours from Jackson to Bozeman?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: csl1 on July 29, 2016, 12:44:33 PM
Was anyone at grand Teton this past week?  How did, if at all, the 2 forest fires affect your trip?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mendy613 on March 19, 2017, 01:24:04 AM
We am thinking of going this summer, as part of our US trip..
We arent really into hiking but enjoy seeing nice views etc.
We have two children under two..

Would you guys say skip it for now?

Going to be in the "area" (hoping to do both Dakotas, Montana and Idaho)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SSLPhD on March 19, 2017, 07:33:14 AM
We am thinking of going this summer, as part of our US trip..
We arent really into hiking but enjoy seeing nice views etc.
We have two children under two..

Would you guys say skip it for now?

Going to be in the "area" (hoping to do both Dakotas, Montana and Idaho)
What exactly is this "US trip"?  Lots of car time?  If your kiddos could handle lots of time in car, I wouldn't skip Yellowstone.  There are lots of great views that require a walk, not exactly a hike.  I'm not really into hiking either.  I'd skip Grand Teton.

(As part of a two week trip, we went to Glacier and Yellowstone/Grand Teton.  Did the seven hour guided hike to Iceberg Lake in Glacier NP.  It was beautiful, but arrived back at the car in such pain (leg and knee), I would not have been able to drive.  I was doing nothing even remotely like that the following week in Yellowstone.  We did mostly walks of about 20-30 minutes IIRC, and had a great time.  I was underwhelmed with Grand Teton. This was pre-kids.)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: hachover on March 19, 2017, 10:50:47 AM
We am thinking of going this summer, as part of our US trip..
We arent really into hiking but enjoy seeing nice views etc.
We have two children under two..

Would you guys say skip it for now?

Going to be in the "area" (hoping to do both Dakotas, Montana and Idaho)

When will you be there? R"Ch Elul is going to be an awesome time to be in Teton. I wish I could be there
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on March 19, 2017, 10:54:58 AM
The couple of days around 8/21 are gonna be absolutely crazy in the Tetons, I'd avoid it at all costs. Otherwise both parks would make for an incredible few days.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: hachover on March 19, 2017, 11:02:57 AM
The couple of days around 8/21 are gonna be absolutely crazy in the Tetons, I'd avoid it at all costs. Otherwise both parks would make for an incredible few days.

Have you picked out somewhere else to be? I wanted Teton even though it will be crazy. I'm ending up in middle america
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on March 19, 2017, 11:11:43 AM
Teton is awesome.  I recommend the Teton crest trail. Take lift at Jackson hole to start and avoid that ascent. 4 days on trail.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on March 19, 2017, 11:21:51 AM
Have you picked out somewhere else to be? I wanted Teton even though it will be crazy. I'm ending up in middle america

Not sure if I'm going yet, but leaning towards somewhere in central Oregon.

You're aware that the eclipse happens in the opposite direction than the Tetons, right? Really no sense in going there for that.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on March 19, 2017, 11:22:58 AM
Also, in the Tetons area there are only north-south roads. So if you get clouded in, there's no where to run a few hours earlier for a better chance.

You want a spot that has easy east-west access.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: hachover on March 19, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
Not sure if I'm going yet, but leaning towards somewhere in central Oregon.

You're aware that the eclipse happens in the opposite direction than the Tetons, right? Really no sense in going there for that.

I wasn't aware... what do you mean? I would climb at least part way up one of the mountains if there.

my strategy is to either be somewhere I can be mobile (in case of clouds) or someplace that I'd enjoy being even if viewing conditions don't cooperate. Middle america fits the first, Teton fits the second.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: hachover on March 19, 2017, 11:29:13 AM
Also, in the Tetons area there are only north-south roads. So if you get clouded in, there's no where to run a few hours earlier for a better chance.

You want a spot that has easy east-west access.

Got it. I disabled that warning setting that tells me someone has posted while I was typing and thats what i get :)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mendy613 on March 19, 2017, 12:45:02 PM
What exactly is this "US trip"?  Lots of car time?  If your kiddos could handle lots of time in car, I wouldn't skip Yellowstone.  There are lots of great views that require a walk, not exactly a hike.  I'm not really into hiking either.  I'd skip Grand Teton.

(As part of a two week trip, we went to Glacier and Yellowstone/Grand Teton.  Did the seven hour guided hike to Iceberg Lake in Glacier NP.  It was beautiful, but arrived back at the car in such pain (leg and knee), I would not have been able to drive.  I was doing nothing even remotely like that the following week in Yellowstone.  We did mostly walks of about 20-30 minutes IIRC, and had a great time.  I was underwhelmed with Grand Teton. This was pre-kids.)


Basically for the last four years the DW and i have been trying to visit all states, mainly leveraging our SW CP.
Now that we have two children and two Companion Passes we are hoping to for our fourth time with all four of us.

Reading the few posts after your reply is why we have stayed away from the national parks until now, we are lazyish and enjoy staying in a nice hotel and maybe doing one or two big things in each state (we have roughly two months).

Problem is, we did already most states and only have some states with big parks left.. This summer I hoping to do Minnesota, both Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, Washington and Oregon.

Just a bit confused about these huge parks, if its worth it driving around to some of the famous places within, taking some pictures and leaving.
Having a stroller or two wont make hiking to practical and - like i mentioned - its not our thing.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SSLPhD on March 19, 2017, 01:08:15 PM

Basically for the last four years the DW and i have been trying to visit all states, mainly leveraging our SW CP.
Now that we have two children and two Companion Passes we are hoping to for our fourth time with all four of us.

Reading the few posts after your reply is why we have stayed away from the national parks until now, we are lazyish and enjoy staying in a nice hotel and maybe doing one or two big things in each state (we have roughly two months).

Problem is, we did already most states and only have some states with big parks left.. This summer I hoping to do Minnesota, both Dakotas, Montana, Idaho, Washington and Oregon.

Just a bit confused about these huge parks, if its worth it driving around to some of the famous places within, taking some pictures and leaving.
Having a stroller or two wont make hiking to practical and - like i mentioned - its not our thing.
Many of the short "hikes" in Yellowstone are wheelchair accessible, so strollers are no problem.  By "no hiking," do you mean you won't walk 5 minutes to see something spectacular?  What about 10 minutes? 15?  Whatever your limit is, even if just driving and not getting out of the car, I personally would not skip Yellowstone.

Regarding stuff to do in the other states, ask in appropriate threads.  I recently started a Washington State thread, but not that much interest it seems.  I can answer some questions, maybe post a TR if you'd find that helpful.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yslkwd on March 22, 2017, 11:24:28 PM
Couldn't agree more
We went with 2 little kids
Yellowstone requires very little walking
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mendy613 on May 07, 2017, 01:10:25 AM
Following up to what i wrote above, I know its been asked before, but is five days too much?
The new Marriott in Jackson Hole is  really expensive paid, but 35k a night. (Fifth night free..)

Given that we like staying put and cant really hike, maybe short day trips will work for the few days?

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 04, 2017, 02:27:22 AM
The couple of days around 8/21 are gonna be absolutely crazy in the Tetons, I'd avoid it at all costs. Otherwise both parks would make for an incredible few days.
Why? What's goin on around 8/21?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 04, 2017, 02:30:58 AM
Teton is awesome.  I recommend the Teton crest trail. Take lift at Jackson hole to start and avoid that ascent. 4 days on trail.
Really?! I was so annoyed that I wasted a whole day driving around Teton last summer. So underwhelming.

OTOH I was so awed by the wonders at Yellowstone, that I actually plan to go back there this month!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: thaber on August 04, 2017, 03:33:43 AM
Why? What's goin on around 8/21?
https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: henche on August 04, 2017, 07:29:52 AM
Really?! I was so annoyed that I wasted a whole day driving around Teton last summer. So underwhelming.

OTOH I was so awed by the wonders at Yellowstone, that I actually plan to go back there this month!

Yah. But I hiked the Teton crest trail
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on August 04, 2017, 08:26:49 AM
Really?! I was so annoyed that I wasted a whole day driving around Teton last summer. So underwhelming.

OTOH I was so awed by the wonders at Yellowstone, that I actually plan to go back there this month!
Did you read @somethingsfishy TR?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 04, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Did you read @somethingsfishy TR?
The pics, yeah.
He's always gonna have spectacular pics whatever he photographs ;) .
Really, think about it, the entire Teton NP is all literally about one mountain view?! Whatever you're photographing (unless you're zoche to see wildlife) is all that mountain!
Yellowstone is about so much more.

Anyways, obviously this is just my (and my wife - who was with me) personal opinion, perhaps a little too simplistic, but a simple guy I am.
Yellowstone talks to me. Bryce, GC, they talked to me too... to give you an idea.
So, my advice to anyone reading this: If you're a simple guy, not one of those sophisticated folks sitting around NP with fancy camera equipment waiting for a nice sighting or many different views of the same mountain, if you're short on time (like most simple folks ;) ) either skip Teton entirely or just drive through it on your way to Yellowstone and that'll be way more than enough for you.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: hachover on August 04, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Really, think about it, the entire Teton NP is all literally about one mountain view?! Whatever you're photographing (unless you're zoche to see wildlife) is all that mountain!
Yellowstone is about so much more.

So, my advice to anyone reading this: If you're a simple guy, not one of those sophisticated folks sitting around NP with fancy camera equipment waiting for a nice sighting or many different views of the same mountain, if you're short on time (like most simple folks ;) ) either skip Teton entirely or just drive through it on your way to Yellowstone and that'll be way more than enough for you.

I happen to agree that Yellowstone deserves the larger share of time spent, but I think you are vastly underselling Teton. First, Grand Teton is hardly the only mountain in the park, and is certainly not the only scenery. If you want to hike up a mountain, in Teton you'll have lots of choices and variety in terms of both elevation and difficulty. Jackson Lake is spectacularly beautiful, especially from the road with the mountain range in the background. Also, with the exception of bison, I found it was much easier to spot wildlife in Teton than in Yellowstone.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on August 04, 2017, 11:54:45 AM


The pics, yeah.
He's always gonna have spectacular pics whatever he photographs ;) .
Really, think about it, the entire Teton NP is all literally about one mountain view?! Whatever you're photographing (unless you're zoche to see wildlife) is all that mountain!
Yellowstone is about so much more.

Anyways, obviously this is just my (and my wife - who was with me) personal opinion, perhaps a little too simplistic, but a simple guy I am.
Yellowstone talks to me. Bryce, GC, they talked to me too... to give you an idea.
So, my advice to anyone reading this: If you're a simple guy, not one of those sophisticated folks sitting around NP with fancy camera equipment waiting for a nice sighting or many different views of the same mountain, if you're short on time (like most simple folks ;) ) either skip Teton entirely or just drive through it on your way to Yellowstone and that'll be way more than enough for you.

I agree 100% that Yellowstone is definitely more interesting and should be the bulk of the trip.

But there are definitely nice things to see in the Grand Tetons. And many things are based on the time of day ( or night ) sunrise, sunset, stars at night. You can just drive through it but without being at the right place at the right time, your missing out what Aurora of it. If I actually get to finnish my TR maybe you get to see some...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 04, 2017, 12:11:59 PM
The pics, yeah.
He's always gonna have spectacular pics whatever he photographs ;) .

LOL. If it makes  you feel better, I was in Acadia National Park a week ago and didn't really get any pictures I like very much - for the second time. I have some sort of Acadia-curse or something.


Really, think about it, the entire Teton NP is all literally about one mountain view?! Whatever you're photographing (unless you're zoche to see wildlife) is all that mountain!

Interesting - this was precisely my conclusion when I looked into visiting many years ago. One mountain view - why in the world would I go?

But then a few years later I did some real research and discovered that it was vastly more than that. As others have mentioned, amazing hikes, the most spectacular sunrises pretty much anywhere in the lower 48, and amazing wildlife. On top of that you have fantastic off-roading that you can do in any SUV, Gros Ventre is completely different than anything else in the area, and so much more.

That being said one day is probably enough for most people, and the bulk of your time will be better spent in Yellowstone.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 04, 2017, 12:14:02 PM
Also, with the exception of bison, I found it was much easier to spot wildlife in Teton than in Yellowstone.

And I found the exact opposite to be true.

In short, it's wildlife - they come and go as they please and aren't beholden to tourists. No question that you'll have amazing wildlife sightings in either park.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on April 12, 2018, 04:37:10 PM
I'm planning on staying at the Marriott in Jackson Hole Aug 5 - 10. Is it smart to do that and travel every day to Yellowstone. I really don't like the hotel options in West Yellowstone. Anyone have experience with this?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on April 12, 2018, 04:46:22 PM
I'm planning on staying at the Marriott in Jackson Hole Aug 5 - 10. Is it smart to do that and travel every day to Yellowstone. I really don't like the hotel options in West Yellowstone. Anyone have experience with this?

Not the best of ideas. You'd be wasting a massive amount of time.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 12, 2018, 04:51:30 PM
I'm planning on staying at the Marriott in Jackson Hole Aug 5 - 10. Is it smart to do that and travel every day to Yellowstone. I really don't like the hotel options in West Yellowstone. Anyone have experience with this?
Not the best of ideas. You'd be wasting a massive amount of time.
+1000 there's quite a bit or traveling just to get around the park everyday...

I stayed in the Marriott a few weeks after it opened and had a nice experience there.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 12, 2018, 05:14:32 PM
Not the best of ideas. You'd be wasting a massive amount of time.
+100

The drive from Jackson up into Yellowstone is long and (with the exception of when you're passing the Tetons) quite boring. West Yellowstone is much closer and the drive from there to the center of the park is much much more interesting.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 12, 2018, 05:16:05 PM
+100

The drive from Jackson up into Yellowstone is long and (with the exception of when you're passing the Tetons) quite boring. West Yellowstone is much closer and the drive from there to the center of the park is much much more interesting.
While I stayed in West Yellowstone, when I was there I realized that it's probably best to stay in the park. You save a nice amount of time.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 12, 2018, 05:32:16 PM
While I stayed in West Yellowstone, when I was there I realized that it's probably best to stay in the park. You save a nice amount of time.
Agreed. I was just about to post about that.

I'm assuming you meant staying in one of the hotels in the park. It might be sacrilegious to say this on DDF, but IMO do it right and get a tent (and a bunch of other stuff) and go camping there. You'll save a bunch of money and it's a whole different experience.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 12, 2018, 05:37:10 PM
Agreed. I was just about to post about that.

I'm assuming you meant staying in one of the hotels in the park. It might be sacrilegious to say this on DDF,
Correct That's what I meant.
but IMO do it right and get a tent (and a bunch of other stuff) and go camping there. You'll save a bunch of money and it's a whole different experience.
That would depend with whom I'm going....
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 12, 2018, 05:43:02 PM
That would depend with whom I'm going....
-1(/2)

More like depends if you do it right or half-ass it. $100-$150 (IIRC) worth of gear can be the difference between it being awesome and being miserable.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on April 12, 2018, 06:17:00 PM
+100

The drive from Jackson up into Yellowstone is long and (with the exception of when you're passing the Tetons) quite boring. West Yellowstone is much closer and the drive from there to the center of the park is much much more interesting.
I actually enjoyed that drive over the that crazy pass (forget whatís itís called) between Idaho and Wyoming. Then in Idaho, I had to stop because the road was full of cows.

Isnít there an entrance at the bottom of Yellowstone right above the Tetons that you can cut through?

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 12, 2018, 06:22:00 PM
I actually enjoyed that drive over the that crazy pass (forget whatís itís called) between Idaho and Wyoming.
yup, that's pretty cool but it's not between Jackson and Yellowstone.

Isnít there an entrance at the bottom of Yellowstone right above the Tetons that you can cut through?
That's the (relatively) long boring drive I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: JunkYardUnz on April 12, 2018, 06:23:40 PM
I'm planning on staying at the Marriott in Jackson Hole Aug 5 - 10. Is it smart to do that and travel every day to Yellowstone. I really don't like the hotel options in West Yellowstone. Anyone have experience with this?
I did something similar to that two years ago, I stayed in Big Sky Montana (flew into Bozeman) drove every other day to Yellowstone (I think it was three times), was not that bad. The Airbnb rentals are a third the price in Big Sky and probably much nicer.

Enjoy Yellowstone, in my opinion, if you are not a hiker and just looking for interesting sites itís the best national park. We have been trying to replicate that experience since then at other national parks, but were unable to.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 12, 2018, 06:28:40 PM
I did something similar to that two years ago, I stayed in Big Sky Montana (flew into Bozeman) drove every other day to Yellowstone (I think it was three times), was not that bad. The Airbnb rentals are a third the price in Big Sky and probably much nicer.

Enjoy Yellowstone, in my opinion, if you are not a hiker and just looking for interesting sites itís the best national park. We have been trying to replicate that experience since then at other national parks, but were unable to.
Flew in to BZN as well an did the top loop the first day so that I wouldn't need to go back up.

Big Sky is 1+ hours to the edge of the park. From there it's still alot of driving
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on April 13, 2018, 12:39:14 AM
I would definitely rather stay near yellowstone - but I have a 5 night certificate and it would be a shame to spend $3-400 a night in yellowstone if i have a free otion. I am flying into BZN on sunday and hope to do the upper loop then. I thought it;s only 2.5 hours from there to JAC - but it sounds like I'm wrong:(

How many days would I need to stay in Yellowstone?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on April 13, 2018, 12:41:25 AM
Google maps shows it's only 1.45 from JAC to Grant Village.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 13, 2018, 01:17:47 AM
I would definitely rather stay near yellowstone - but I have a 5 night certificate and it would be a shame to spend $3-400 a night in yellowstone if i have a free otion. I am flying into BZN on sunday and hope to do the upper loop then. I thought it;s only 2.5 hours from there to JAC - but it sounds like I'm wrong:(

How many days would I need to stay in Yellowstone?
I did it in 3 days. But didn't really go into Lamar valley.
Google maps shows it's only 1.45 from JAC to Grant Village.
That's the the Southern most corner you'll need to travel 4 hours round-trip + the distance in Yellowstone....
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on April 13, 2018, 01:23:13 AM
Google maps shows it's only 1.45 from JAC to Grant Village.

Google maps goes out the window the instant there's a bear/bison/antelope/moose/whatever jam. And there will be a lot of those.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 13, 2018, 08:36:54 AM
Google maps goes out the window the instant there's a bear/bison/antelope/moose/whatever jam. And there will be a lot of those.
+1000
I made that mistake and ended up in middle of no where when it was pitch black outside give yourself loads of extra time! I actually swipeda Buffalo with my car because  I couldnít see anything!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on April 13, 2018, 10:04:25 AM
Ok - I guess I should stay Sunday and Monday in West Yellowstone and Tuesday - Thursday at the Marriott in JAC. Though it's driving me crazy to spend about $800 extra on those two nights when I have free nights at the Marriott.

Anyone interested in buying or swapping my extra two nights (two rooms) at the Marriott?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 13, 2018, 11:32:36 AM
Ok - I guess I should stay Sunday and Monday in West Yellowstone and Tuesday - Thursday at the Marriott in JAC. Though it's driving me crazy to spend about $800 extra on those two nights when I have free nights at the Marriott.

Anyone interested in buying or swapping my extra two nights (two rooms) at the Marriott?
It shouldn't cost you $400 a night to stay in West Yellowstone or in some of the hotels in the park.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 13, 2018, 11:47:56 AM
But didn't really go into Lamar valley.
That's practically criminal. (well assuming you have any interest in seeing Bison)

ETA: got confused with Hayden Valley.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 13, 2018, 11:50:29 AM
That's practically criminal. (well assuming you have any interest in seeing Bison)
We saw bison in many places including in Hayden Valley
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 13, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
We saw bison in many places including in Hayden Valley
Oops, you're right, I stand corrected. I got my valleys mixed up there for a minute. Missing Hayden valley would be criminal.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on April 13, 2018, 11:55:37 AM
That's practically criminal. (well assuming you have any interest in seeing Bison)

We saw bison in many places including in Hayden Valley

I've seen many people get confused by the two. Hayden is the more accessible one (between the lake and the canyon), where there are huge wildlife concentrations in the summer. Lamar is the more remote of the two (waaay out of the main loops), whose claim to fame are the wolves in the winter.

Lamar is mostly skippable in the summer.

ETA: @whYME types faster than me.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 13, 2018, 12:04:56 PM
Lamar is mostly skippable in the summer.
FWIW, a ranger once told me that the best place to see bears is usually the road from Mammoth spring towards Lamar Valley, between Mammoth springs and the road going down to Hayden etc
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 13, 2018, 12:07:14 PM
ETA: @whYME writes less than me.
FTFY :)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on April 13, 2018, 01:41:30 PM
And there will be a lot of those.
-1 IME
The few times I've driven that stretch of road I didn't see more then a squirrel.

Regardless, 1:45 seems kinda ambitious and the best case scenario and as others have pointed out that's basically the very beginning of the park, you still have quite a ways to go until whatever it is you actually want to see.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on April 13, 2018, 01:43:25 PM
FTFY :)

LOL

-1 IME
The few times I've driven that stretch of road I didn't see more then a squirrel.

You must have the most rotten luck on the planet then ;D
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on April 13, 2018, 02:08:26 PM
Oops, you're right, I stand corrected. I got my valleys mixed up there for a minute. Missing Hayden valley would be criminal.
I've seen many people get confused by the two. Hayden is the more accessible one (between the lake and the canyon), where there are huge wildlife concentrations in the summer. Lamar is the more remote of the two (waaay out of the main loops), whose claim to fame are the wolves in the winter.

Lamar is mostly skippable in the summer.

ETA: @whYME types faster than me.
I did the full loop touching Lamar Valley, that was the quietest Rd in Yellowstone. It was somewhere in the Tower junction that I saw my only Wolf in Yellowstone and some bears pretty far off the Rd.
LOL

You must have the most rotten luck on the planet then ;D
I didn't see as many Bison as I thought I would. And based on what we heard from others they didn't see the packs either during my stay...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on April 18, 2018, 02:25:56 PM
I have a 5 night stay at the brand new Marriott in Jackson Hole. I will only be using 3 of the five nights. So 2 nights available for sale - Aug 5-7 (Sunday-Tuesday) or Aug 10-12 (Friday-Sunday). I have two rooms each nights. Please PM if you are interested. $200 per room per night OBO (hotel rate is over $500 with taxes).
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on June 07, 2018, 05:57:28 PM
Woman gored by bison after crowd gets too close (https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/news/06072018.htm)

Another reminder to be careful around the animals
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mord1 on June 11, 2018, 06:05:46 PM
I will be flying into JAC on sunday in august, and have 4 complete days there, top hikes? top things to see? TIA
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Galitzyaner on June 21, 2018, 12:32:19 AM
I will be flying into JAC on sunday in august, and have 4 complete days there, top hikes? top things to see? TIA
I recommend you spend a maximum of one day in Grand Teton NP; just make sure you get in a sunrise at Grand Teton (go to Oxbow Bend - see Somthing Fishy's TR up-thread).
The rest of your time save for Yellowstone, there's just so much there to see.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on June 21, 2018, 01:17:20 AM
I recommend you spend a maximum of one day in Grand Teton NP; just make sure you get in a sunrise at Grand Teton (go to Oxbow Bend - see Somthing Fishy's TR up-thread).
The rest of your time save for Yellowstone, there's just so much there to see.
Agree.

Although I went to Schwabacher's Landing for sunrise (following @somthingsfishy directions ) and was beautiful as well.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mord1 on June 21, 2018, 02:41:06 AM
Agree.

Although I went to Schwabacher's Landing for sunrise (following @somthingsfishy directions ) and was beautiful as well.
I assume by sunrise you mean neitz, not alos?
my issue is that we are arriving sunday middle of the day and sleeping in yellowstone through wed night and thursday night in jackson and friday morning flight is 7:00AM
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on June 21, 2018, 10:06:10 AM
I assume by sunrise you mean neitz, not alos?
my issue is that we are arriving sunday middle of the day and sleeping in yellowstone through wed night and thursday night in jackson and friday morning flight is 7:00AM

So do Grand Teton on Thursday.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mord1 on June 21, 2018, 10:56:20 AM
So do Grand Teton on Thursday.
For sunset? Thursday morning we will still be in yellowstone
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on June 21, 2018, 11:05:28 AM
For sunset? Thursday morning we will still be in yellowstone
(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji849.png) If you want to make sunrise at Grand Teton then wake up a little earlier on Thursday to get there on time and spend the day there.

The problem with sunrises is you need to wake up early to see it there's real way around that. Obviously you need to decide how badly you want it and if it's worth waking up for.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on June 21, 2018, 11:18:42 AM
(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji849.png) If you want to make sunrise at Grand Teton then wake up a little earlier on Thursday to get there on time and spend the day there.

The problem with sunrises is you need to wake up early to see it there's real way around that. Obviously you need to decide how badly you want it and if it's worth waking up for.

That. Do you want to see what is often the most beautiful sunrise in America or not ;D? If yes, wake up early. You'll survive.

And sunset in the Tetons is weak, the sun falls behind the mountains in the late afternoon and there usually isn't much to see at sunset.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yitzshpitz on June 21, 2018, 11:28:05 AM
I will be flying into JAC on sunday in august, and have 4 complete days there, top hikes? top things to see? TIA

They also have excellent white water rafting in the area, if thats yout sort of thing. I really enjoyed it when I went.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mord1 on June 21, 2018, 11:44:01 AM
That. Do you want to see what is often the most beautiful sunrise in America or not ;D? If yes, wake up early. You'll survive.

And sunset in the Tetons is weak, the sun falls behind the mountains in the late afternoon and there usually isn't much to see at sunset.
got it, ok, I assume sunrise is netz and not alos?, let me see about staying in jackson on sunday night  and then driving to yellowstone on monday
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on June 21, 2018, 12:07:44 PM
got it, ok, I assume sunrise is netz and not alos?

Neither. The show begins before the actual sunrise. Google the sunrise time for your dates and be there at least half an hour before.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: mord1 on June 21, 2018, 12:40:51 PM
Neither. The show begins before the actual sunrise. Google the sunrise time for your dates and be there at least half an hour before.
google has the same sunrise time as netz on my zemanim  :D. ok, I will see what I can to do, thanks
anything else not to miss?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Galitzyaner on June 21, 2018, 07:01:56 PM
Agree.

Although I went to Schwabacher's Landing for sunrise (following @somthingsfishy directions ) and was beautiful as well.
Yes of course, I meant Schwabacher's Landing, my mistake.

That. Do you want to see what is often the most beautiful sunrise in America or not ;D? If yes, wake up early. You'll survive.
Listen to ^this^ guy! Take it from me, I'm not a sunrise/sunset guy, and definitely don't enjoy getting up that early in the morning (especially with kids in tow).
Hence I was very hesitant to go for this. But I went ahead and listened to @Something Fishy, and boy was that worth it!
My DW and I had no regrets, to say the least.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: blue eyes on July 19, 2018, 11:40:44 PM
I have a 5 night stay at the brand new Marriott in Jackson Hole. I will only be using 3 of the five nights. So 2 nights available for sale - Aug 5-7 (Sunday-Tuesday) or Aug 10-12 (Friday-Sunday). I have two rooms each nights. Please PM if you are interested. $200 per room per night OBO (hotel rate is over $500 with taxes).


Where r u staying the other nights? cant seem to find availability in the park
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: blue eyes on July 19, 2018, 11:52:00 PM
What's the least crappy place in Jackson under 250?  Anyone stayed in alpine inn? its supposed to be close to Chabad.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 20, 2018, 12:11:07 AM
What's the least crappy place in Jackson under 250?  Anyone stayed in alpine inn? its supposed to be close to Chabad.

I found some really great places on Airbnb.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on July 23, 2018, 10:47:00 PM

Where r u staying the other nights? cant seem to find availability in the park

Staying at the Holiday Inn West Yellowstone.

Btw, any itinerary ideas?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on July 23, 2018, 11:54:17 PM
What's the least crappy place in Jackson under 250?  Anyone stayed in alpine inn? its supposed to be close to Chabad.
What's with the Marriott?
Staying at the Holiday Inn West Yellowstone.

Btw, any itinerary ideas?
1.They had points availability?

2. As in per day?

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: ADG on July 24, 2018, 10:54:20 PM
Is it SHayach to take 3 kids (including a 5 week old) on a road trip on a RV through Glacier YS and Teton?

How much time would I need?

Is it too late to plan for a trip in 2 weeks?

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SSLPhD on July 24, 2018, 11:46:46 PM
Is it SHayach to take 3 kids (including a 5 week old) on a road trip on a RV through Glacier YS and Teton?

How much time would I need?

Is it too late to plan for a trip in 2 weeks?
How many kids in car seats?  Could be a problem if more than one---I've never seen more than one spot in a rental RV that was really good for a car seat.  Otherwise, I'd say to go for it, with a relaxed schedule.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on July 25, 2018, 12:50:05 AM


Is it SHayach to take 3 kids (including a 5 week old) on a road trip on a RV through Glacier YS and Teton?


While it could be a very nice trip, here is what my concerns would be.

1. How would you deal with a 5 week old in an RV for 2 weeks?
2. How would you carry the baby through pathways, walkways etc. (Forget about hiking )
3. Depending on how old the other kids are, would they enjoy a restricted trip because of the babies limitations?

How much time would I need?

I did Yellowstone in 3 days (2 nights ) Grand Teton in a day and a half. Could have spent one more day that was enough for me. ( I had an eight month old ). But a week would definitely be enough since your not really hiking.

Is it too late to plan for a trip in 2 weeks?

No

Since sleeping accommodations are taken care of (RV) there's nothing that really needs advance planning at all, 2 weeks should be ample time for planning.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on July 25, 2018, 12:56:31 AM

While it could be a very nice trip, here is what my concerns would be.

1. How would you deal with a 5 week old in an RV for 2 weeks?
2. How would you carry the baby through pathways, walkways etc. (Forget about hiking )
3. Depending on how old the other kids are, would they enjoy a restricted trip because of the babies limitations?

I did Yellowstone in 3 days (2 nights ) Grand Teton in a day and a half. Could have spent one more day that was enough for me. ( I had an eight month old ). But a week would definitely be enough since your not really hiking.

No

Since sleeping accommodations are taken care of (RV) there's nothing that really needs advance planning at all, 2 weeks should be ample time for planning.

2. Baby carrier. Even a stroller would work for the vast majority of spots.

He wants to do GNP as well, so two weeks isn't too much.

And he'd still need to make plans for campgrounds, even with an RV - although it will obviously be waaaay simpler than hotels. I'd be more worried about finding available spots than anything else.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: ADG on July 25, 2018, 11:29:03 AM
Thank you for the advice.

My kids' ages are 3.5, 2.3, and 5weeks. Are they too yound to enjoy such a trip? What are some of the activities besides hiking?

I would have a budget to go all out on RV as I dont need to spend on Car and hotel. Can anyone recommend a good company?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: ADG on July 25, 2018, 12:24:14 PM
I will wait till my kids are older to do this trip...

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on July 25, 2018, 12:34:22 PM
2. Baby carrier.

For a 5 week old?

Thank you for the advice.

My kids' ages are 3.5, 2.3, and 5weeks. Are they too yound to enjoy such a trip? What are some of the activities besides hiking?

I would have a budget to go all out on RV as I dont need to spend on Car and hotel. Can anyone recommend a good company?

There are stuff that can be nice but I wouldn't say that it's the recommended age
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: whYME on July 26, 2018, 10:48:21 AM
RV through Glacier
Just bear in mind you can't take the RV on Going-to-the-Sun road.

Are they too yound to enjoy such a trip? What are some of the activities besides hiking?
I would say they're too young to really appreciate the trip but not too young to go.
As for activities, pretty much the same as anywhere else for that age. Pretty much swimming and playgrounds, IIRC there's not all that much more for 2-3s.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: tzifanya54 on July 26, 2018, 11:07:39 AM
I will wait till my kids are older to do this trip...
I took a 3 year old and 5 year old. They were definitely too young to appreciate it. Smart move to wait:
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: blue eyes on July 29, 2018, 03:00:37 AM
I found some really great places on Airbnb.
Couldnt find availability for full homes. Itís last minute of course...
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: blue eyes on July 29, 2018, 03:02:38 AM
What's with the Marriott?1.They had points availability?

2. As in per day?
Marriot is a cat 7... and 500 a night
I booked the alpine motel Economy room for $135 a night.
I did bring my own towels and blanket and hope for the best
It seems to be the cheapest room in town
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on July 29, 2018, 04:05:34 AM
Marriot is a cat 7... and 500 a night
I booked the alpine motel Economy room for $135 a night.
I did bring my own towels and blanket and hope for the best
It seems to be the cheapest room in town
35k a night should be just under $250.

Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on July 31, 2018, 11:32:25 PM
Going to Grand Teton & Yellowstone next Sunday to Friday. Here is the very basic itinerary. Any thoughts or comments?

Day 1:
EWR to BZN 8:30 am - arriving at 11:30 app.

Renting a van from National for $400!!! (any tips), quick stop at Walmart, and on to Mammoth Hot Springs.

Next stop at Norris Geyser Basin.

Then head to Holiday Inn West Yellowstone for the night.

Day 2:
Grand Canyon of Yellowstone, Mud Volcano, and?.

Day 3:
Leave hotel in West  Yellowstone and start heading towards Grand Teton (Marriott Jackson). Stopping at the many geysers along the way including Grand Prismatic Spring and Old Faithful - will prob. take a full day for all the stops (if we even have time for all our plans).

Day 4:
Possible Schwabacher Landing sunrise trip, Antelope Flats, Gros Ventre.

Day 5:
Possible Oxbow Bend sunrise, Jenny Lake (inspiration point hike),

Day 6: Departure at 8 am, maybe we"ll have time for one more sunrise.

Any tips and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Yammer on August 01, 2018, 02:41:30 AM
Going to Grand Teton & Yellowstone next Sunday to Friday. Here is the very basic itinerary. Any thoughts or comments?

Day 1:
EWR to BZN 8:30 am - arriving at 11:30 app.

Renting a van from National for $400!!! (any tips), quick stop at Walmart, and on to Mammoth Hot Springs.

Next stop at Norris Geyser Basin.

Then head to Holiday Inn West Yellowstone for the night.

Day 2:
Grand Canyon of Yellowstone, Mud Volcano, and?.

Day 3:
Leave hotel in West  Yellowstone and start heading towards Grand Teton (Marriott Jackson). Stopping at the many geysers along the way including Grand Prismatic Spring and Old Faithful - will prob. take a full day for all the stops (if we even have time for all our plans).

Day 4:
Possible Schwabacher Landing sunrise trip, Antelope Flats, Gros Ventre.

Day 5:
Possible Oxbow Bend sunrise, Jenny Lake (inspiration point hike),

Day 6: Departure at 8 am, maybe we"ll have time for one more sunrise.

Any tips and suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks

Day 1
Have in mind that you'll litterly be passing by the Norris Geysers when heading out to the Grand Canyon of Yellowstone. If you are willing to drive the extra time you may want to go through the tower junction loop. (It's the quietest place in Yellowstone, and take in mind that the road from Mammoth to Norris has traffic )

Day 2
Hayden Valley is a must. Yellowstone lake is nice as well.

Day 3
It shouldn't be a full day in Yellowstone for those 3 stops (you can go to West thumbs Geysers, although It wasn't anything special ) , but there some nice stops that you can make along the route in addition to the long ride.

Day 4
When going to Schwabacher Landing continue on the path until you get to the nicest spot (courtesy of @somethingsfishy ) and don't forget about the Barn (can't remember the name )

The car rental price sounds good, according to what I saw.

Tidbit: Around the block from the Marriott there is an antelope arch, which is nice.

Enjoy your trip. (And write a TR...)
Thanks
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on August 08, 2018, 08:57:19 PM
We're at Day 4 of our trip - just biked 16 miles to Jenny Lake and back!! Spectacular!! Hope to post my first TR this time.

We would like to head out to Schwabacher Landing for sunrise tomm. If sunrise is at 6:21, what time should we be there?

Thanks.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Something Fishy on August 08, 2018, 10:11:52 PM
We're at Day 4 of our trip - just biked 16 miles to Jenny Lake and back!! Spectacular!! Hope to post my first TR this time.

We would like to head out to Schwabacher Landing for sunrise tomm. If sunrise is at 6:21, what time should we be there?

Thanks.

No later than 5:30. Enjoy!

Looking forward to the TR.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: dansdealsfan5 on December 16, 2018, 02:35:22 PM
Still getting around to write my TR. I finally figured out how to post pics. Sunrise at the Grand Tetons - Schwabacher Landing - Summer 2018.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2242/3459/files/Sunrise.jpg?13023512264177141564)
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: BarryLincoln on December 17, 2018, 10:10:12 AM
Still getting around to write my TR. I finally figured out how to post pics. Sunrise at the Grand Tetons - Schwabacher Landing - Summer 2018.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2242/3459/files/Sunrise.jpg?13023512264177141564)

Beautiful picture...
Title: Re: Banff Master Thread
Post by: jose34 on December 23, 2018, 06:19:37 PM
Just a small selection (I'll post many more in my TR in the Wyoming thread when I finally get around to it):

(Click on any picture for full-res.)

Schwabacher Landing Sunrise:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3734/9303001013_a6bc3717e1_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/u9494X)

Some 20 minutes later:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8227/8584719604_c1395816e0_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/8584719604/)

Oxbow Bend Sunrise:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8167/7483390756_2cff27e36a_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7483390756/)

Mt. Moran and Pelican at sunrise:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3689/9303003601_ca46611aa7_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/paaXiU)

A shachris like no other:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7115/7483375626_ff5c73b544_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/6ga3re)

Milky Way over Jackson Lake:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8012/7483420988_dc885a3fb1_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7483420988/)

Star Trails and aurora over Jackson Lake:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8311/7884692236_ae15dd14a9_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7884692236/)

Hendrick Pond sunrise:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8001/7483426380_ed09276314_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7483426380/)

Lower Falls of the Yellowstone and double rainbow from Uncle Tom's trail (http://www.hikespeak.com/trails/uncle-toms-trail-lower-falls-yellowstone/):
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8391/8583617841_edd4dc9e27_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/8583617841/)

Minerva Terraces hot springs at sunset:
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7362/9303005629_684f311c81_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/H2t526)

Pronghorn Antelope:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8455/7884690470_d77644bc25_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7884690470/)

Bison on Antelope Flats:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8383/8583617457_f2c69da6ce_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/8583617457/)

Bison and calf:
(http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5329/9305783446_d98368c32e_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/D43y9R)

Pelican at Oxbow Bend:
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8444/7884795564_c6384f17ca_c.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrishersko/7884795564/)

Foraging Moose:
(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/9305785672_2f2081c6f8_c.jpg) (http://flickr.com/gp/morrishersko/88qowP)

These pics are crazy amazing!
Are these pictures "free", can I download them and use them for my background on my computer etc....?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SSLPhD on February 19, 2019, 03:02:57 PM

anything and everything....
where and how do i start to plan for something like this?
we are bh, family of 9, 2 adults 7 kids....
im thinking of making this a 2.5-3 week trip
dont want to rush through it, but enjoy it.
how did you manage with kosher foods?
where did you spend shabbat?
flew in and out of same airport?

again any and all info would be appreciated

thank you

Between the size of your family and needing kosher food, the way I'd approach this is to pick 3 hubs (Glacier, Yellowstone, location near Canadian NPs), one per week, and get an airbnb at each location, do day trips.  It will be hard to find meat along the way, and you'd probably have to take it all with you, and shlep from one place to the next.  Pros: you get a decent fridge/freezer to keep food frozen, and can book a house large enough for your family.  Look into what food will be allowed through customs if switching countries.

The problem with this trip is that there is no good place to restock kosher/go to restaurant.  If you are not set on the destination, I'd probably recommend something more like Vegas/LA/San Fran (many national parks), if you haven't been to those places and depending on what time of year.  Or Washington (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=73164.0[/url) and Oregon for cooler weather.

We spent Shabbos in our hotel room, didn't venture out at all.  There were no Chabads nearby back then, but I believe there are some in the area now.  You can look into renting an airbnb near Chabad.

Unless the locations naturally form a loop, it might not make sense to fly into and out of one airport.  We flew into/out of BZN, but we didn't venture too far.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on February 27, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
Between the size of your family and needing kosher food, the way I'd approach this is to pick 3 hubs (Glacier, Yellowstone, location near Canadian NPs), one per week, and get an airbnb at each location, do day trips.  It will be hard to find meat along the way, and you'd probably have to take it all with you, and shlep from one place to the next.  Pros: you get a decent fridge/freezer to keep food frozen, and can book a house large enough for your family.  Look into what food will be allowed through customs if switching countries.

The problem with this trip is that there is no good place to restock kosher/go to restaurant.  If you are not set on the destination, I'd probably recommend something more like Vegas/LA/San Fran (many national parks), if you haven't been to those places and depending on what time of year.  Or Washington (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=73164.0[/url) and Oregon for cooler weather.

We spent Shabbos in our hotel room, didn't venture out at all.  There were no Chabads nearby back then, but I believe there are some in the area now.  You can look into renting an airbnb near Chabad.

Unless the locations naturally form a loop, it might not make sense to fly into and out of one airport.  We flew into/out of BZN, but we didn't venture too far.


thank you,
couple years ago we did the utah loop,
landed in vegas got rental car and drove up  (with stop at walmart) to bryce spent the night there, down to zion 2 nights, followed by lake powell 2 nights, shabbat in flagstaff (love chabad!!!!!)  up to grand canyon 1 night , back to vegas for flight home...
bh, was greaaaatttttt trip. wish we couldve extended.
kids loved and really opened our eyes to national parks.....
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SSLPhD on February 27, 2019, 09:25:04 AM

thank you,
couple years ago we did the utah loop,
landed in vegas got rental car and drove up  (with stop at walmart) to bryce spent the night there, down to zion 2 nights, followed by lake powell 2 nights, shabbat in flagstaff (love chabad!!!!!)  up to grand canyon 1 night , back to vegas for flight home...
bh, was greaaaatttttt trip. wish we couldve extended.
kids loved and really opened our eyes to national parks.....
While I've done that trip and enjoyed it, as well, I was thinking more along the lines of SFO->Sequoia/Kings Canyon->Yosemite->Lassen Volcanic->Crater Lake->Redwood->SFO.  I've done the first three in a week, and the second three in a separate weeklong trip.  But I'm sure there's another thread for all that.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on June 13, 2019, 10:05:05 AM
hi all,
 its been a while and seems like i have it all lined up. 2 weeks to visit/tour and enjoy the beautiful areas of yellowstone  and teton,
looking for some help with maxing out our time there
.we are a family of 9, 2 adults 7 children ages 7-17,
love outdoors, hiking, rafting, bike riding,zipline,canyoning, nature, water activities etc... see some of the main sites.. throw in a rodeo or something, .star gazing,...
so please help with itineraries/activities...

sleeping is as follows:
bozeman thursday till sunday
sunday- friday west yellowstone (can possibly sleep in jackson hole thursday)
friday-sunday jackson hole
sunday-thursday teton village area

land  thursday late morning at BZN
thrusday afternoon/evening activities
friday all day
shabbat-
sunday-
monday-
tuesday-
wedneday-
thursday-
friday-
shabbat
sunday-
monday-
tuesday-
wedneday-
thursday- fly out late morning


any and all of your help is greatly appreciated!!!

thank you all soooo much!!

Love from the HolyLand!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: SSLPhD on June 13, 2019, 04:46:12 PM
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/hiking.htm
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/ranger-programs.htm
etc.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on June 13, 2019, 04:53:43 PM
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/hiking.htm
https://www.nps.gov/yell/planyourvisit/ranger-programs.htm
etc.



this is great!!!
thank you
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Saver on June 14, 2019, 08:31:01 AM
Hi! I know that this is last minute, but we are looking for some affordable lodging for a group. Any suggestions?
We are flying into Jackson Wy and plan to go to the Grand Teton's and spend Tuesday in Yellowstone and fly out of Bozeman.
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: luv2trvlwithfam on June 14, 2019, 08:46:59 AM
Hi! I know that this is last minute, but we are looking for some affordable lodging for a group. Any suggestions?
We are flying into Jackson Wy and plan to go to the Grand Teton's and spend Tuesday in Yellowstone and fly out of Bozeman.
Any suggestions?


when do you plan on going?
how many people?
how many nights per location?
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: Saver on June 14, 2019, 01:24:45 PM
We are going on Sunday, June 23 and can stay in one location for three nights until Wednesday
We can stay in one place in between both or stay near Jenny lake Sunday night and near Jackson Monday night and Tuesday night or on Tuesday night near Bozeman Idaho. 10 adults 3 children

Thanks!
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: yitzgar on July 11, 2019, 08:16:26 AM
None of the lodging in the park has ac. I am used to sleeping in a relatively cool room (69-70) will nights in August be too hot to stay in one of the park lodges? I've heard they can give you a fan.
Title: Re: Teton National Park and Yellowstone National Park
Post by: KSMH on January 20, 2020, 11:14:23 PM
Anyone  with experience snowmobiling in the park?