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Title: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:00:20 AM
Need some crowdsourcing on planning the routing for my next two trips or so.

Goals:

(i) Maximize time in nice F cabins, (ii) extract maximum value by,  for instance, turning the two trips into three, utilizing "free one ways" (more technically known as open jaws and stopovers, e.g. (a) NYC-BKK-NYC(stop)-HNL and then (ii) HNL-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR, giving me a free "third" trip to HNL).

Assumptions:

--First destination will be New Zealand (a lot of fun routings that way)
--Second destination will also be somewhere in Asia/Oceania (another destination for nice routings)
--Two people are traveling
--I have 500,000 of each mileage currency.
--I'd like to fly SQ R, EK F (a380), OZ F (772), LH F (744)
--I try to avoid YQ unless it's completely necessary (e.g. SQ R, but not LH F through M&M)

Notes:

--I'd like to burn UA miles before 2/1/14 which may lead to using booking *A as my first outbound given LH's tendency to only release F space two weeks out (and also, since there have been no announcements by EK/AS/JL to deval EK awards, or SQ to deval theirs, I feel a bit more comfortable holding off if necessary with them).
--I don't mind paying additional for positioning flights (I should have a WN CP to use, Gd willing).
--OZ F award availability on their JFK route, which is currently the only route that has the new F,  has largely become nonexistent in the last 8 weeks for whatever reason. So even though I'd like to try it, it may not be possible.

Now, I figure this should be a (somewhat) fun exercise, so given the above,  let your imaginations run wild!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jj1000 on November 07, 2013, 11:05:07 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20823.0 ?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.0 ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on November 07, 2013, 11:07:10 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20823.0 ?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.0 ?
Give me a break JJ this doesnt need to be in one of those threads
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 07, 2013, 11:08:51 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.0 ?

I've seen (and posted) that link already so many times that I recognize the topic number by heart already. :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:18:41 AM
One possible route:

Outbound -- JFK/LAX-DXB-SIN(EK F)-SYD(SQ R) [Can stopover in DXB, SIN, and SYD; uses AS miles and SQ miles; well over 20 hours in EK F]
Inbound -- AKL-BKK-FRA(TG F)-NYC(LH F)-LIR [Access to TG F Spa and FCT; using UA miles; and I'd try to finagle a stopover the last leg even though it isn't technically valid]

Outbound #2 -- LIR-NYC(stop)-HKG-DPS(CX F) [Can stop in NYC; uses AA miles]
Inbound #2 -- SIN-NRT-LAX(SQ R)-NYC(WN) [Have to return home using WN CP]

Wow, this is a bit more complicated than even I thought, but I do build in a "free" trip to LIR and get to experience SQ R, EK F, LH F, TG F, and CX F.

Thoughts? Suggestions for improvement?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:20:29 AM
Give me a break JJ this doesnt need to be in one of those threads

+1

I am specifically looking for routing suggestions, not destination suggestions. Also, I don't see why creating a thread for these (my?) trips specifically is any crime.

Also, I'm not looking for help finding availability. I can do that all my own.

Just figure that with all the creative people on here, this would be somewhat like thinking what you'd do with the money if one won the lottery  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on November 07, 2013, 11:24:48 AM
can you stop in the north american gateway on a one way AA redemption
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on November 07, 2013, 11:26:23 AM

Outbound #2 -- LIR-NYC(stop)-HKG-DPS(CX F) [Can stop in NYC; uses AA miles]
Inbound #2 -- SIN-NRT-LAX(SQ R)-NYC(WN) [Have to return home using WN CP]


Why?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 07, 2013, 11:27:29 AM
can you stop in the north american gateway on a one way AA redemption
Sure
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 07, 2013, 11:29:06 AM
One possible route:

Outbound -- JFK/LAX-DXB-SIN(EK F)-SYD(SQ R) [Can stopover in DXB, SIN, and SYD; uses AS miles and SQ miles; well over 20 hours in EK F]
Inbound -- AKL-BKK-FRA(TG F)-NYC(LH F)-LIR [Access to TG F Spa and FCT; using UA miles; and I'd try to finagle a stopover the last leg even though it isn't technically valid]

Outbound #2 -- LIR-NYC(stop)-HKG-DPS(CX F) [Can stop in NYC; uses AA miles]
Inbound #2 -- SIN-NRT-LAX(SQ R)-NYC(WN) [Have to return home using WN CP]

Wow, this is a bit more complicated than even I thought, but I do build in a "free" trip to LIR and get to experience SQ R, EK F, LH F, TG F, and CX F.

Thoughts? Suggestions for improvement?
Did that this summer, they have very limited flights they offer and maybe one which is non-stop. Wasn't so happy with it, though for $20 RT two people, i sucked it up.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jj1000 on November 07, 2013, 11:32:44 AM
Give me a break JJ this doesnt need to be in one of those threads
+1

I am specifically looking for routing suggestions, not destination suggestions. Also, I don't see why creating a thread for these (my?) trips specifically is any crime.

Also, I'm not looking for help finding availability. I can do that all my own.

Just figure that with all the creative people on here, this would be somewhat like thinking what you'd do with the money if one won the lottery  :D
50% cynicism 50% jest.

Don't worry when I decide to burn my stockpile I will drive everyone nuts with the planning. I'm thinking year long honeymoon trip around the world :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:33:20 AM
Sure

+1, one of the few advantages of AA's routing rules.

Did that this summer, they have very limited flights they offer and maybe one which is non-stop. Wasn't so happy with it, though for $20 RT two people, i sucked it up.

Did what? The LAX-NYC on WN?

They don't offer any non-stops that I'm aware of, but I will Gd willing have the CP, so why not use it?

Unless you know a way to not have to by reconstructing the itin?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on November 07, 2013, 11:35:06 AM
Ever been to Williamsburg?
Take the J, $2.25 surcharge per passenger.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:35:37 AM
Why?

Well, I don't HAVE to use WN, but it'd be my cheapest, most effective way that I'm aware of, as--at least on this version of the itin--I can't build it in for free.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
Ever been to Williamsburg?
Take the J, $2.25 surcharge per passenger.

Once. Never again.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jj1000 on November 07, 2013, 11:37:10 AM
Once. Never again.
Had skirt above the knees?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:38:48 AM
Had skirt above the knees?

Was wearing a kippa sruga.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 07, 2013, 11:42:10 AM
+1, one of the few advantages of AA's routing rules.

Did what? The LAX-NYC on WN?

They don't offer any non-stops that I'm aware of, but I will Gd willing have the CP, so why not use it?

Unless you know a way to not have to by reconstructing the itin?
Yes.

I think i recall seeing one non-stop flight being offered, but may have been out of ISP.

The issue with that flight is having a SO and flights are only offered until 12PM daily (someone CMIIW and it changed). With the SO, you eat up a whole day regardless when you leave LA.

I used my CP because like i mentioned, $20RT for two people is great. I paid for wifi on way home so i did not have to miss work, otherwise i would "splurge" on a regular award redemption.

Not sure of a way to rework the itin.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:47:33 AM
Yes.

I think i recall seeing one non-stop flight being offered, but may have been out of ISP.

The issue with that flight is having a SO and flights are only offered until 12PM daily (someone CMIIW and it changed). With the SO, you eat up a whole day regardless when you leave LA.

I used my CP because like i mentioned, $20RT for two people is great. I paid for wifi on way home so i did not have to miss work, otherwise i would "splurge" on a regular award redemption.

Not sure of a way to rework the itin.

No such route.

But, yeah, the connection is annoying, but like you, I'll do work on the plane if I must.

(http://oi44.tinypic.com/2d6shlf.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 07, 2013, 11:48:43 AM
Need some crowdsourcing on planning the routing for my next two trips or so.

Goals:

(i) Maximize time in nice F cabins, (ii) extract maximum value by,  for instance, turning the two trips into three, utilizing "free one ways" (more technically known as open jaws and stopovers, e.g. (a) NYC-BKK-NYC(stop)-HNL and then (ii) HNL-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR, giving me a free "third" trip to HNL).

Assumptions:

--First destination will be New Zealand (a lot of fun routings that way)
--Second destination will also be somewhere in Asia/Oceania (another destination for nice routings)
--Two people are traveling
--I have 500,000 of each mileage currency.
--I'd like to fly SQ R, EK F (a380), OZ F (772), LH F (744)
--I try to avoid YQ unless it's completely necessary (e.g. SQ R, but not LH F through M&M)

Notes:

--I'd like to burn UA miles before 2/1/14 which may lead to using booking *A as my first outbound given LH's tendency to only release F space two weeks out (and also, since there have been no announcements by EK/AS/JL to deval EK awards, or SQ to deval theirs, I feel a bit more comfortable holding off if necessary with them).
--I don't mind paying additional for positioning flights (I should have a WN CP to use, Gd willing).
--OZ F award availability on their JFK route, which is currently the only route that has the new F,  has largely become nonexistent in the last 8 weeks for whatever reason. So even though I'd like to try it, it may not be possible.

Now, I figure this should be a (somewhat) fun exercise, so given the above,  let your imaginations run wild!

wow this one looks interesting excited to see what everyone comes up with
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 11:49:45 AM
wow this one looks interesting excited to see what everyone comes up with

What have YOU come up with? :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 07, 2013, 11:52:26 AM
wow this one looks interesting excited to see what everyone comes up with
What have YOU come up with? :)
Ask not what DDF can do for you, but what you can do for DDF.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on November 07, 2013, 11:55:48 AM
Well, I don't HAVE to use WN, but it'd be my cheapest, most effective way that I'm aware of, as--at least on this version of the itin--I can't build it in for free.
maybe I dont know SQ routing rules but why cant you add the lax-nyc on the same ticket
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 07, 2013, 11:57:01 AM
Ask not what DDF can do for you, but what you can do for DDF.
but ddf can get you free rt tickets to Israel ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on November 07, 2013, 11:58:05 AM
Yes.

I think i recall seeing one non-stop flight being offered, but may have been out of ISP.

The issue with that flight is having a SO and flights are only offered until 12PM daily (someone CMIIW and it changed). With the SO, you eat up a whole day regardless when you leave LA.

I used my CP because like i mentioned, $20RT for two people is great. I paid for wifi on way home so i did not have to miss work, otherwise i would "splurge" on a regular award redemption.

Not sure of a way to rework the itin.
WN sometimes has a 1pm flight with a stop in DEN and no plane change.
Yeah, pretty annoying that they don't have coast to coast non-stops.
Though I've heard from more than one FA that they are considering starting that route with their new 737-800's.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 12:04:17 PM
maybe I dont know SQ routing rules but why cant you add the lax-nyc on the same ticket

You can,  but then it,  first,  takes it out of the SQ chart,  forcing you to use the partner chart (which is considerably more) and,  second,  you can't book it online,  which means you don't get the 15% discount.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on November 07, 2013, 12:05:04 PM
You can,  but then it,  first,  takes it out of the SQ chart,  forcing you to use the partner chart (which is considerably more) and,  second,  you can't book it online,  which means you don't get the 15% discount.
got it. See i knew there was something i was missing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 12:06:09 PM
It still may be worth it I guess,  if I can get a non stop lie flat on UA. And perhaps I can get then to give me the manual discount because it's not possible to book online. Who knows.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on November 07, 2013, 12:31:23 PM
And perhaps I can get then to give me the manual discount because it's not possible to book online. Who knows.
Not gonna happen if you have your itin mixed with partners.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 12:32:11 PM
I figured as much; but since I haven't tried or know someone who has (I guess until now), I was gonna put it out there.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on November 07, 2013, 12:33:05 PM
I figured as much; but since I haven't tried or know someone who has (I guess until now), I was gonna put it out there.
You know someone who tried.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2013, 10:35:37 PM
I guess this helps somewhat: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/36242

 :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 07:14:04 PM
OK, so far have:

NYC-ORD-NRT(in JL SkySuite)//HND-HKG(CX F).

Question now becomes:

Where do I go?

I'm coming back from DPS, but where should I start the trip?

Looks like it's rainy season in HKT (though doesn't have to be in Thailand)....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 11, 2013, 07:17:51 PM
OK, so far have:

NYC-ORD-NRT(in JL SkySuite)//HND-HKG(CX F).

Question now becomes:

Where do I go?

I'm coming back from DPS, but where should I start the trip?

Looks like it's rainy season in HKT... (though doesn't have to be in Thailand).
it seems like its always 'rainy season' lets just hope u dont hit rain thats all :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 07:32:17 PM
Also:

If I book EWR-ORD-NRT with AA, can I change to JFK-NRT without change fee?

What about if I booked LGA-ORD-NRT, can I change to JFK-NRT without change fee then?

(FWIW, CSR told me fee in both cases.)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 11, 2013, 07:34:44 PM
Also:

If I book EWR-ORD-NRT with AA, can I change to JFK-NRT without change fee?

What about if I booked LGA-ORD-NRT, can I change to JFK-NRT without change fee then?

(FWIW, CSR told me fee in both cases.)

IME they wanted to charge me as well. Though I believe there have been reports that HUCA helps for this.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 11, 2013, 07:35:51 PM
Also:

If I book EWR-ORD-NRT with AA, can I change to JFK-NRT without change fee?

What about if I booked LGA-ORD-NRT, can I change to JFK-NRT without change fee then?

(FWIW, CSR told me fee in both cases.)
I booked EWR-ORD- HKG changed it to JFK- HKG and I was charged a fee.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 07:46:59 PM
Darn. So, miracle of miracles, the CSR seems to be right.

So I guess I'll just keep it ORD-NRT and use WN to get there.

Wait--if I am hoping for JFK-NRT to open (low chance), I may as well book EWR/LGA-ORD-NRT. And then if/when it opens, I can switch, because whether I change from ORD or LGA/EWR, it'll still cost me $150, but this way, I can save my WN miles.

Kudos for those of you followed the above nonsense.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 11, 2013, 07:49:17 PM
$150/pax or $150 total?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 11, 2013, 07:50:50 PM
And if it doesn't open would you rather fly from EWR?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 07:51:32 PM
$150/pax or $150 total?

I think it's $150/pax, unfortunately.

And if it doesn't open would you rather fly from EWR?

Yeah, I would.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 11, 2013, 07:52:38 PM
So it's $300 vs. $150 in points and you would rather save the points?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 11, 2013, 07:58:58 PM
I think it's $150/pax, unfortunately.
Yes, but they did waive one fee for me YMMV.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 08:11:47 PM
Well, that's not entirely the calculus.

I'd prefer the JFK-NRT flight.

Option 1) Book JFK-MCO-ORD(AA)-NRT now and if (i) JFK-ORD opens (though I'd have to leave the night before), and/or (ii) JFK-NRT opens up, pay $0 to switch it.

Option 2) Book EWR-ORD(WN)-NRT now and guarantee myself a convenient EWR departure, and if JFK-NRT opens, pay $150 or $300 to change it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 11, 2013, 08:14:52 PM
Well, that's not entirely the calculus.

I'd prefer the JFK-NRT flight.

Option 1) Book JFK-MCO-ORD(AA)-NRT now and if (i) JFK-ORD opens (though I'd have to leave the night before), and/or (ii) JFK-NRT opens up, pay $0 to switch it.

Option 2) Book EWR-ORD(WN)-NRT now and guarantee myself a convenient EWR departure, and if JFK-NRT opens, pay $150 or $300 to change it.

I'd choose the latter. Paying the fee is the worst case scenario ( If you can't use your charm to have them waived). With the former worst case scenario you have 2 unnecessary stopovers.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 08:16:43 PM
Actually, just got a better idea, which was the whole point of this thread: maximizing value.

Option 3) If I book it from another US city, I can use the NYC leg as a stopover which means I CAN change from among the NYC airports.

Such that I can have the following:

MIA-EWR(stop)//JFK-ORD-NRT.

And then if JFK-NRT opens, I can switch for free!

And I get half a trip to MIA for free :)

ETA: Am I missing anything?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 08:33:13 PM
Or even better than MIA, perhaps LAX... something like this?

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=lax-jfk-ord-nrt-hkg-hkt&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 11, 2013, 08:44:14 PM
(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=lax-jfk-ord-nrt-hkg-hkt&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Looks like a MPM+25% violation.
[KVS Availability Tool 7.1.9 - Reference: Maximum Permitted Mileage [MPM]: LAX-HKG/AA] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
Code: [Select]
                                                               
         GI       M      5M     10M     15M     20M     25M     
MPM      PA    8698    9132    9567   10002   10437   10872     
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 08:46:29 PM
Nope, I checked it.

Check LAX-HKT.

MPM+25% = 12998
Actual mileage = 12755
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 09:28:08 PM
OK, so far have:

NYC-ORD-NRT(in JL SkySuite)//HND-HKG(CX F).

Question now becomes:

Where do I go?

I'm coming back from DPS, but where should I start the trip?

Looks like it's rainy season in HKT (though doesn't have to be in Thailand)....

Anyone know anything about Boracay?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 11, 2013, 10:57:36 PM
Anyone know anything about Boracay?
On my list, it seems really cool.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 11, 2013, 10:59:30 PM
On my list, it seems really cool.

Well, it seems it won't happen this time 'round.

Looks like for June/July, the only destinations I should be considering, given the climate, are Indonesia and Malaysia, so I believe we'll pick from those two.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 12, 2013, 01:39:54 AM
Well, it seems it won't happen this time 'round.

Looks like for June/July, the only destinations I should be considering, given the climate, are Indonesia and Malaysia, so I believe we'll pick from those two.
GO TO BALI!! You will love it!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 01:43:31 AM
That' s already in the cards :)

Have DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ in TG F (A380) and LH F on hold for 70K.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 12, 2013, 01:45:35 AM
That' s already in the cards :)
Nice.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 01:54:55 AM
Need a second destination!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 12, 2013, 03:14:02 AM
Need a second destination!

How about Manila?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 12, 2013, 08:07:11 AM
Need a second destination!
Singapore? Chang mai?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 12, 2013, 09:24:35 AM
Need a second destination!
Borneo?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
SIN
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 01:45:10 PM
I should look into Manila. Anyone on DDF ever been?

Been to Chiang Mai, was amazing.

I've heard wonderful things about Borneo, though since it's not in Indonesia or Malaysia, July is in the middle of their rainy season.

How long would I need to SIN?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 12, 2013, 01:45:45 PM
I should look into Manila. Anyone on DDF ever been?
Yeah nothing doing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 01:46:18 PM
Actually, regarding Borneo, looks like I was wrong...

http://www.selectiveasia.com/borneo-holidays/weather/july

So I that's definitely a possibility. Thanks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 01:46:55 PM
Yeah nothing doing.

In AND around?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 02:02:09 PM
How long would I need to SIN?
You can spend anything from 1 day to 5 days in SIN and have a blast either way.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 12, 2013, 02:12:25 PM
In AND around?

Good pizza at the shul there.

Only thing worth going to the Philippines for is Amanpulo
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 12, 2013, 02:13:05 PM
You can spend anything from 1 day to 5 days in SIN and have a blast either way.

+1 though 3 days is opportune

You can take the 45 min flight to Langkawi for a couple of days as well. Very nice Island
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 12, 2013, 02:26:44 PM
I've heard wonderful things about Borneo, though since it's not in Indonesia or Malaysia, July is in the middle of their rainy season.
You must be getting mixed up with something else. Borneo is split pretty much between Malaysia and Indonesia (and a drop of it is Brunei) and July is a great time to go.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 02:29:55 PM
Good pizza at the shul there.

Only thing worth going to the Philippines for is Amanpulo

I'd have to take an advance on my salary for that :P

...which I may have to do based on the reviews ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 02:30:30 PM
You must be getting mixed up with something else. Borneo is split pretty much between Malaysia and Indonesia (and a drop of it is Brunei) and July is a great time to go.

Yeah, I did get confused, but I realized that a second later --
Actually, regarding Borneo, looks like I was wrong...

http://www.selectiveasia.com/borneo-holidays/weather/july

So I that's definitely a possibility. Thanks.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 02:38:12 PM
Thanks guys. Great ideas.

So perhaps 3 days in SIN, 2 days in LGK and 4 days in DPS?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 12, 2013, 03:04:30 PM
Thanks guys. Great ideas.

So perhaps 3 days in SIN, 2 days in LGK and 4 days in DPS?

3 days in singapore is too long, you need 2 days max
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 03:10:39 PM
3 days in singapore is too long, you need 2 days max
-1.
I had Fri morning-Sun night and wish we had more time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 12, 2013, 03:11:54 PM
-1.
I had Fri morning-Sun night and wish we had more time.
Well you were probably limited to what you could have done over Shabbat.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 03:59:51 PM
Well you were probably limited to what you could have done over Shabbat.
We didn't even scratch the surface IMHO.

Didn't do the Zoo, didn't do the river safari, only did 1 of the dozens of attractions on Sentosa, didn't do the Sentosa cable car, didn't do gardens by the bay, didn't do any of the incredible looking hikes, etc, etc.

Like I said, you can spend 5 days there and not be bored  Or spend 1 jam packed day and have a blast as well.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 12, 2013, 04:02:21 PM
We didn't even scratch the surface IMHO.

Didn't do the Zoo, didn't do the river safari, only did 1 of the dozens of attractions on Sentosa, didn't do the Sentosa cable car, didn't do gardens by the bay, didn't do any of the incredible looking hikes, etc, etc.

Like I said, you can spend 5 days there and not be bored  Or spend 1 jam packed day and have a blast as well.
I understand that. Debating whether to SO in SIN or HKG for a day or so. Don't think i can do a jam packed day with a baby in tow.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 04:04:37 PM
I understand that. Debating whether to SO in SIN or HKG for a day or so. Don't think i can do a jam packed day with a baby in tow.
They're both great cities, very very different though.
SIN feels more like YVR than an eastern/Asian city.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 12, 2013, 04:05:25 PM
They're both great cities, very very different though.
SIN feels more like YVR than an eastern/Asian city.
So if i plan a YVR trip in the near future, i should do HKG.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 04:05:47 PM
Lucky calls it "Asia-light."

But if SIN is anything like YVR, you just sold Mrs. AJK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 12, 2013, 04:06:40 PM
Lucky calls it "Asia-light."

But if SIN is anything like YVR, you just sold Mrs. AJK.
Sorry if i slightly hijacked your thread.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2013, 04:08:02 PM
No worries -- it's all towards the same goal-ish :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 04:44:08 PM
So if i plan a YVR trip in the near future, i should do HKG.
Very different activities than YVR.  It just feels like YVR and not the far east.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 12, 2013, 04:46:26 PM
Very different activities than YVR.  It just feels like YVR and not the far east.
Seems like SIN has lots of opportunities to fly through or SO. Maybe i will save it for my next trip to that side of the world.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
Seems like SIN has lots of opportunities to fly through or SO
Moreso than HKG?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 12, 2013, 04:55:59 PM
Moreso than HKG?
It's a toss-up it seems and if YVR is kind of like SIN, i would opt for HKG now.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 12, 2013, 11:25:44 PM
We didn't even scratch the surface IMHO.

Didn't do the Zoo, didn't do the river safari, only did 1 of the dozens of attractions on Sentosa, didn't do the Sentosa cable car, didn't do gardens by the bay, didn't do any of the incredible looking hikes, etc, etc.

Like I said, you can spend 5 days there and not be bored  Or spend 1 jam packed day and have a blast as well.

Did sentosa in 1 day the night safari 1 night, then walked the main street visited the chabad and went to the casino the 2nd night
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 12, 2013, 11:34:59 PM
Did sentosa in 1 day the night safari 1 night, then walked the main street visited the chabad and went to the casino the 2nd night
Even if you somehow managed to cover all of Sentosa what about:
-The SIN flyer.
-The world famous zoo
-Botanical Gardens+Orchid Gardens
-The River Safari
-Arab Street.
-Gardens by the Bay
-Skypark
-Orchard Street
-Sentosa cable car
-Chinatown
-Little India
-Flight Simulator Experience
-Hiking (The Southern Ridges, MacRitchie Reservoir)
-Light and Water Show

Not sure why anyone could possibly be bored in SIN unless they were there for at least a week.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 13, 2013, 12:13:04 AM
Even if you somehow managed to cover all of Sentosa what about:
-The SIN flyer.
-The world famous zoo
-Botanical Gardens+Orchid Gardens
-The River Safari
-Arab Street.
-Gardens by the Bay
-Skypark
-Orchard Street
-Sentosa cable car
-Chinatown
-Little India
-Flight Simulator Experience
-Hiking (The Southern Ridges, MacRitchie Reservoir)
-Light and Water Show

Not sure why anyone could possibly be bored in SIN unless they were there for at least a week.

Dont forget taking the subway lol you could eat off the floors its crazy
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2013, 12:19:00 AM
Dont forget taking the subway lol you could eat off the floors its crazy
True, though taxis are too cheap to take the subway that often.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 12:30:04 AM
True, though taxis are too cheap to take the subway that often.
+1 I was surprised at how cheap they were. In the heat they are such a blessing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 13, 2013, 02:56:15 AM
AJK, you inspiring me to pull the trigger on another Asia trip :D
It's getting more and more interesting.
BTW why aren't you considering Borneo?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 13, 2013, 03:54:20 AM
Even if you somehow managed to cover all of Sentosa what about:
-The SIN flyer.
-The world famous zoo
-Botanical Gardens+Orchid Gardens
-The River Safari
-Arab Street.
-Gardens by the Bay
-Skypark
-Orchard Street
-Sentosa cable car
-Chinatown
-Little India
-Flight Simulator Experience
-Hiking (The Southern Ridges, MacRitchie Reservoir)
-Light and Water Show

Not sure why anyone could possibly be bored in SIN unless they were there for at least a week.

I was there with my 5 kids last summer (tr might follow) for a week and must say, that you could spend a week there, but for a couple without kids and not leaving the hotel at 11am only less time is ok

Zoo and safari/ river cruise are very nice, but not a must do without kids. Not majorly different to a regular zoo
SIN flyer takes a hour max
Botanical gardens and gardens by the bay, cute, but not everyone is into plants
Chinatown can be had in NY as well

I can go on and on, but I would say 3 days is plenty. Sentosa is nice and fun
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 09:22:37 AM
AJK, you inspiring me to pull the trigger on another Asia trip :D
It's getting more and more interesting.
BTW why aren't you considering Borneo?

We definitely are. At this point its looking like SIN and DPS with either Langkawi or Borneo. Wife is looking into it. 
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2013, 10:44:49 AM
I was there with my 5 kids last summer (tr might follow) for a week and must say, that you could spend a week there, but for a couple without kids and not leaving the hotel at 11am only less time is ok
Like I said,
You can spend anything from 1 day to 5 days in SIN and have a blast either way.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 13, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
We definitely are. At this point its looking like SIN and DPS with either Langkawi or Borneo. Wife is looking into it.

my cousin went to langkawi on his honeymoon, also went to kuala lumpur and hong kong..
they liked it alot
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 12:18:59 PM
Where'd they stay in LGK?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 03:00:19 PM
@ AJK how much time are you spending in Bali?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 03:17:06 PM
@ AJK how much time are you spending in Bali?

Was figuring around four days?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 08:15:23 PM
Was figuring around four days?
Do you plan on going scuba diving? 4 days is pretty short. We went for 9 days and wished we had more time. Any interest in going to Rinca Island? If I would have had a drop more time that's what I would have done. You can fly to LBJ from DPS.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 09:33:01 PM
Hmmm. Perhaps I'll do just SIN and DPS then?

I do want to some diving, yes.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 10:38:47 PM
Hmmm. Perhaps I'll do just SIN and DPS then?

I do want to some diving, yes.
If you want to dive you cannot miss Tulamben in Bali where they have a very cool shipwreck and many tropical fish. That alone will be a full day trip from any of the areas you will be staying. You also can't miss Nusa Lembongan which is a really cool island off the coast of Bali that has no cars, awesome drift snorkeling and great beaches. So 4 days is really tight.

If you only did 4 days how many days would you have for say Langkawi?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 10:40:28 PM
If you want to dive you cannot miss Tulamben in Bali where they have a very cool shipwreck and many tropical fish. That alone will be a full day trip from any of the areas you will be staying. You also can't miss Nusa Lembongan which is a really cool island off the coast of Bali that has no cars, awesome drift snorkeling and great beaches. So 4 days is really tight.

If you only did 4 days how many days would you have for say Langkawi?

Remind me -- did you have a TR from your time in DPS?

Also, was thinking of this:

So perhaps 3 days in SIN, 2 days in LGK and 4 days in DPS?

Leave on a Sunday, arrive in NRT on a Monday, explore for the day. Then on Tueday, take a flight to SIN via HKG, and hang out until Friday, when I'd take a flight to LGK until Sunday night or Monday morning. Then flight to DPS where I'd stay until Thursday afternoon...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 10:44:20 PM
Remind me -- did you have a TR from your time in DPS?
Yes check the Bali thread. It's over a couple of posts.

I can't imagine why you would only do 4 days in Bali and 2 in LGK. You won't get to appreciate either. Once you are going to Bali it's such a waste to spend only 4 days there. Are there travel days amongst the 4 days or would they at least be full days?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 10:47:01 PM
I think you've convinced me. Perhaps we'll just do SIN and DPS this time 'round.

Perhaps:

Leave on a Sunday, arrive in NRT on a Monday, explore for the day. Then on Tuesday, take a flight to SIN via HKG, and hang out until Sunday morning, when I'd take a flight to DPS where I'd stay until Thursday afternoon...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 10:52:43 PM
I think you've convinced me. Perhaps we'll just do SIN and DPS this time 'round.

Perhaps:

Leave on a Sunday, arrive in NRT on a Monday, explore for the day. Then on Tuesday, take a flight to SIN via HKG, and hang out until Sunday morning, when I'd take a flight to DPS where I'd stay until Thursday afternoon...
That sounds good. I wouldn't even consider in that amount of time going to another location unless you cut out SIN which is a cool place to visit so why cut it out. We also did SIN and then DPS with a routing of NYC - PEK for a day a PEK - SIN for a weekend SIN - DPS from Sunday to the following Tues and then DPS - BKK 2 days and then home from BKK - MXP - EWR.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2013, 11:07:44 PM
Maybe I should be leaving the previous Wednesday, huh? :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 13, 2013, 11:37:31 PM
Maybe I should be leaving the previous Wednesday, huh? :)
If you can you won't regret it  :) How would you break it up that way?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 14, 2013, 08:13:42 AM
Try to be shabbes at a place with kosher food, much nicer then being stuck in some hotel room by yourself.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 14, 2013, 09:00:34 AM
Yeah I agree.  That's why I'd extend being in SIN until Sunday. 
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2013, 09:12:01 AM
Yeah I agree.  That's why I'd extend being in SIN until Sunday. 
Only issue being that I'd rather be in just about any other Chabad house in Asia besides for SIN over shabbos.
But you'll survive.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 14, 2013, 09:16:22 AM
Only issue being that I'd rather be in just about any other Chabad house in Asia besides for SIN over shabbos.
But you'll survive.

The 5 hour davening or the "gourmet food"? :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2013, 09:30:02 AM
The 5 hour davening or the "gourmet food"? :)
Lol, both :P
Though I didn't think the food was nearly as bad you prepped me for so I survived.
Still definitely nothing to write home about which is surprising as the restaurant does have good food.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 14, 2013, 10:10:19 AM
Lol, both :P
Though I didn't think the food was nearly as bad you prepped me for so I survived.
Still definitely nothing to write home about which is surprising as the restaurant does have good food.


My wife still has nightmares about that davening
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jmansour on November 14, 2013, 11:01:07 AM
Yeah I agree.  That's why I'd extend being in SIN until Sunday.

i stayed at the st regis in singapore it was very nice..
i ate at the chabad which was decent and the coffee bean nearby is the only kosher one there as well
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 14, 2013, 11:24:24 AM
Wow, the davening was that long? And that's typical?

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 14, 2013, 11:27:31 AM
Wow, the davening was that long? And that's typical?
for sure mutar to daven byichidus
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2013, 11:33:17 AM
Wow, the davening was that long? And that's typical?
It's a sfardishe davening. 
Shul has like 3 dozen sifrei torahs!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 14, 2013, 11:47:48 AM
for sure mutar to daven byichidus

LOL

I sometimes daven at Beis AJK of the NorthEast in such circumstances. Though I hear that there will be a similar congregation in SE Asia this summer...

It's a sfardishe davening. 
Shul has like 3 dozen sifrei torahs!

Every sfardi place I've davened at ends 20% quicker than ashkenizic :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 14, 2013, 11:48:57 AM
LOL

I sometimes daven at Beis AJK of the NorthEast.

Every sfardi place I've davened at ends 20% quicker than ashkenizic :)
May also be known as the "kotel."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 14, 2013, 12:39:21 PM
Yes, depends on from where you hail ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 14, 2013, 12:42:55 PM
LOL

I sometimes daven at Beis AJK of the NorthEast in such circumstances. Though I hear that there will be a similar congregation in SE Asia this summer...

Every sfardi place I've davened at ends 20% quicker than ashkenizic :)

There are few things I enjoy as much as the Heicha Kedusha during Mussaf at KZ in HKG
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 14, 2013, 12:49:44 PM
May also be known as the "kotel."
koisel

If you want to dive you cannot miss Tulamben in Bali where they have a very cool shipwreck and many tropical fish. That alone will be a full day trip from any of the areas you will be staying. You also can't miss Nusa Lembongan which is a really cool island off the coast of Bali that has no cars, awesome drift snorkeling and great beaches. So 4 days is really tight.

If you only did 4 days how many days would you have for say Langkawi?
whats to do there for 9 days?
is there chabad therE?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 01:33:07 PM
Shhh... secret for y'all:

I've been looking for OZ F for awhile now, and this morning, I was able to snag it :)

When UA didn't show ANY availability for JFK-ICN, even one seat in any class, I thought something was up. So I went to ANA and it showed a LOT of availability.

So if you're looking to get rid of some UA miles before the deval, now's the time.

I let the JL SkySuite go for this, but I figure it saves me a day of travel, I get to use UA (which have a date certain for deval) instead of AA (which will happen, just not sure when), and I get to leave on Sunday instead of Monday. Right choice?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 02:32:21 PM
Better book quick... I have it on good authority this is going to go mainstream today ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 02:46:26 PM
Outbound: JFK-ICN-SIN(stop)-DPS in OZ F and SQ J
Inbound: DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC in TG F and LH F

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on November 17, 2013, 03:12:03 PM
Outbound: JFK-ICN-SIN(stop)-DPS in OZ F and SQ J
Inbound: DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC in TG F and LH F
Are you stopping anywhere along the inbound route? That's a lot of flying...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 17, 2013, 03:16:00 PM
Better book quick... I have it on good authority this is going to go mainstream today ;)
You booked it over the phone?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 03:18:22 PM
Are you stopping anywhere along the inbound route? That's a lot of flying...

Nope. Just enough time to enjoy the F lounges in BKK and FRA.

You booked it over the phone?

Started online, added these segs over phone.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 03:22:42 PM
Called 2 UA departments to test book OZ F.
They said there's an OZ outage until 10pm EST at which point it will be back on UA.com and over the phone.

Probably can be done with HUCACACA but it'll be a pain.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 03:40:19 PM
Not sure what that means exactly, but mine was just confirmed, though waiting for a TKT #.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 03:46:31 PM
Not sure what that means exactly
Methinks you got lucky.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 03:49:01 PM
From Asiana as well:
http://us.flyasiana.com/C/en/boardContents.do?menuId=004001000000000&menuType=BOARD&boardCode=BOARD_NEWS&newsSeq=854&newsCateCode=NEWS01&boardCmd=VIEW

Seems like maybe it's like the UA and SQ PSS where everything goes wide open :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 03:52:02 PM
...and ticketed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 03:53:29 PM
Seems like maybe it's like the UA and SQ PSS where everything goes wide open :D

Yep...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 17, 2013, 04:08:26 PM
Outbound: JFK-ICN-SIN(stop)-DPS in OZ F and SQ J
Inbound: DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC in TG F and LH F
...and ticketed.
Well done.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 04:29:13 PM
Hmmm.... currently have yyz-muc-fra-bkk-hkt booked. Change to jfk-icn-hkt? Two less flights but I leave earlier and get it later as it requires an overnight in icn
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 17, 2013, 04:29:32 PM
...and ticketed.
mazol tov!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 04:30:23 PM
Hmmm.... currently have yyz-muc-fra-bkk-hkt booked. Change to jfk-icn-hkt? Two less flights but I leave earlier and get it later as it requires an overnight in icn
Only if you'll use the time in ICN to go to the DMZ or something interesting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 04:31:43 PM
Hmmm.... currently have yyz-muc-fra-bkk-hkt booked. Change to jfk-icn-hkt? Two less flights but I leave earlier and get it later as it requires an overnight in icn

I probably would if booking from scratch, but not sure I'd want to eat the $150/pp change fee plus less time at my destination at this point.

Other may disagree.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 04:31:52 PM
Only if you'll use the time in ICN to go to the DMZ or something interesting.
Flight gets in at 410 pm. I doubt I'll actually be able to do something
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 04:49:18 PM
Flight gets in at 410 pm. I doubt I'll actually be able to do something
Can someone please check  august 10 jfk-icn (1 pm) august 11 (8 pm) icn-hkt all on oz
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 05:10:03 PM
@Dan --

Many people are getting this ticketed; isn't just me.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 05:15:55 PM
@Dan --

Many people are getting this ticketed; isn't just me.
Was never a ticketing issue, guess I just got 2 bad reps who refused to look for OZ.
I'd have tried harder if you had let it stay a DD exclusive :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 05:17:26 PM
Look at it like this -- I did the work for you! :P

and I posted here first...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 05:18:29 PM
Meh.
Even if posted here I'd assume you'd want it to stay undercover so that it could have a chance of lasting longer.
Don't normally assume people want more exposure for their finds unless they say so.  I didn't see a PM/email from you ;)

'Sall good.  Hopefully UA.com picks it up tonight and I'll run with that angle.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 05:25:28 PM
Can someone please check  august 10 jfk-icn (1 pm) august 11 (8 pm) icn-hkt all on oz
I don't have an ANA account with miles. Can someone please check?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 05:26:25 PM
I don't have an ANA account with miles. Can someone please check?
Just search for JFK-NRT and then you can modify the search to search all Star Alliance routes.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 05:28:58 PM
Meh.
Even if posted here I'd assume you'd want it to stay undercover so that it could have a chance of lasting longer.
Don't normally assume people want more exposure for their finds unless they say so.  I didn't see a PM/email from you ;)

'Sall good.  Hopefully UA.com picks it up tonight and I'll run with that angle.

This is one of those things that's going to go away by tomorrow (mayyybe a bit longer) no matter if one person books or a hundred. It's only a matter of time until OZ's booking system is back in sync.

Next time I'll shoot you an email/PM, no doubt, I just hope it doesn't go unanswered like the other 67 :P

If I see it pop up on UA.com, I'll let you know, but I'd think by the time that it's back on UA, it may be fixed :(
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on November 17, 2013, 05:57:49 PM
Just search for JFK-NRT and then you can modify the search to search all Star Alliance routes.
Or use the WATT script.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 06:13:10 PM
You sure that still works?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on November 17, 2013, 06:24:06 PM
You sure that still works?
Just used it today.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 07:50:41 PM
This is one of those things that's going to go away by tomorrow (mayyybe a bit longer) no matter if one person books or a hundred. It's only a matter of time until OZ's booking system is back in sync.

Next time I'll shoot you an email/PM, no doubt, I just hope it doesn't go unanswered like the other 67 :P

If I see it pop up on UA.com, I'll let you know, but I'd think by the time that it's back on UA, it may be fixed :(
Better book quick... I have it on good authority this is going to go mainstream today ;)
Hmm ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 07:51:35 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/36606
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 07:58:42 PM
Can someone please check  august 10 jfk-icn (1 pm) august 11 (8 pm) icn-hkt all on oz
It's available. Should I switch? Get in night before ( 1am) and cut out two flights plus try anther product. It's gonna be $150 change fee? No matter what I'm changing?
If I don't change o/d it should be $75/pax, correct?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
Thoughts?
Icn-hkt in j is not lie flat and it's a six hour flight. Is it worth change.....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
Should be $75 change fee per pax.

What is your current routing, and what is your proposed routing?

Is the ICN-HKT leg during the day?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:04:16 PM
Should be $75 change fee per pax.

What is your current routing, and what is your proposed routing?

Is the ICN-HKT leg during the day?
Looks like it's gone anyways (unless it's just not showing on ua.com now)
Current YYZ-MUC-FRA-BKK-HKT
Proposed-YYZ-JFK-ICN-HKT (allows me to drop off kids in JFK, and possibly move yyz-jfk to before the weekend)

Relative question-Leave JFK at 1 PM arrive ICN at 4 PM leave ICN at 8 PM and arrive at 1 AM in HKT
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:08:10 PM
I'd probably switch. You get TG F Spa on the way back and get to experience three top notch F products, when you might not get the chance otherwise.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:08:41 PM
@Dan

So, nu, what did you book?  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:11:41 PM
I'd probably switch. You get TG F Spa on the way back and get to experience three top notch F products, when you might not get the chance otherwise.
I hear. Appear as if it's gone anyways
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:16:24 PM
So what do you guys think:

I arrive in SIN early Friday morning. When would you go to DPS?

Tuesday?

Wednesday?

I have until the following Wednesday in DPS.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 11:18:06 PM
@Dan

So, nu, what did you book?  :D
There isn't an F class in the world worth flying 24 hours with a baby in.

Rafi weaned himself at exactly one year.  That means I'm probably sticking to the western hemisphere until after next sukkos.

IY"H by dir :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:18:11 PM
What time of day is the flight SIN-DPS?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:23:51 PM
There isn't an F class in the world worth flying 24 hours with a baby in.

Rafi weaned himself at exactly one year.  That means I'm probably sticking to the western hemisphere until after next sukkos.

IY"H by dir :)

Umeyn!

What time of day is the flight SIN-DPS?

6:20 PM.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:24:55 PM
Umeyn!

6:20 PM.
I'd do Tuesday (although I've never been to either)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 17, 2013, 11:26:02 PM
How much do you think these gaffes cost UA? What do they pay per flight?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:28:52 PM
So that gives me a bulk of Friday and a bulk of Tuesday, and all of Sunday and Monday, so 3 solid days.

Anyone disagree?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
That means I'm probably sticking to the western hemisphere until after next sukkos.
FTHOI:
Sun., Oct. 19, 2014
Depart:
1:00 p.m.
Sun., Oct. 19, 2014
New York, NY (JFK)
   
Arrive:
4:10 p.m. +1 Day
Mon., Oct. 20, 2014
Seoul, Republic of South Korea (ICN - Incheon)
   Travel Time:14 hr 10 mn    
Flight: OZ221
Operated by Asiana Airlines.
Aircraft: Boeing 777-300ER
Fare Class: First (O)
140,000 Miles and $5.00
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 17, 2013, 11:46:03 PM
FTHOI:
Sun., Oct. 19, 2014
Depart:
1:00 p.m.
Sun., Oct. 19, 2014
New York, NY (JFK)
   
Arrive:
4:10 p.m. +1 Day
Mon., Oct. 20, 2014
Seoul, Republic of South Korea (ICN - Incheon)
   Travel Time:14 hr 10 mn    
Flight: OZ221
Operated by Asiana Airlines.
Aircraft: Boeing 777-300ER
Fare Class: First (O)
140,000 Miles and $5.00
Book the next leg onto DPS, NRT, PEK, or PVG?
PEK or PVG better for shabbos?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:47:20 PM
Heard amazing things about both DPS and PVG.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on November 17, 2013, 11:51:02 PM
Have a RTW in F on hold with US Airways but they wont give me any Lufthansa flights back to the US.

Anyone had success with booking LH J with US recently?

Will the hold last the 3 days with OZ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:53:20 PM
Only way to get TATL space on LH is by long-sell, which they've apparently been instructed not to do.

10:1 says no.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on November 17, 2013, 11:54:27 PM
Only way to get TATL space on LH is by long-sell, which they've apparently been instructed not to do.

10:1 says no.
Even <15 days?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 17, 2013, 11:58:43 PM
Have a RTW in F on hold with US Airways but they wont give me any Lufthansa flights back to the US.

Anyone had success with booking LH J with US recently?

Will the hold last the 3 days with OZ?

Actually, this seems to say otherwise:

http://milevalue.com/breaking-us-airways-no-longer-blocking-lufthansa-award-space/

But he's now known for his grandiose proclamations (and super moderation of the comments).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 12:01:25 AM
Actually, this seems to say otherwise:

http://milevalue.com/breaking-us-airways-no-longer-blocking-lufthansa-award-space/

But he's now known for his grandiose proclamations (and super moderation of the comments).
John | November 16, 2013 at 9:16 am | Reply
Your bold headline grabbing statements are really something. Youíre turning your blog into a tabloid.
How about backing up your statements with some real facts (flight numbers, dates etc.) and providing a large sample before making such announcements.
It is improper and misleading reporting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 12:02:13 AM
Gary Leff | November 16, 2013 at 3:51 pm | Reply
This post definitely does not match my experience, including today.

Just spoke to US Airways about Detroit Ė Frankfurt. Space is offered in business class on Feb 2, 3, 4, and 5. US Airways could not see it on Feb 2 or 3 but could see it Feb 4 and 5.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 12:06:45 AM
Ah. So some space is apparently bookable, but not all.

So I guess if no one disagrees with the Fri AM--Tuesday PM in SIN as being enough, I'll try to book that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 12:08:05 AM
So I guess if no one disagrees with the Fri AM--Tuesday PM in SIN as being enough, I'll try to book that.
Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 12:17:26 AM
Booked JFK-ICN-PVG all on OZ.
Doubt I'll take it but fun to have in my back pocket.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 12:31:49 AM
Booked JFK-ICN-PVG all on OZ.
Doubt I'll take it but fun to have in my back pocket.
Stupid UA computer decided to eat 90K pp instead of 70K for JFK-ICN-PVG in OZ F/OZ J.
Unbelievable. ICN and PVG are both in North Asia you idiots.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on November 18, 2013, 12:38:48 AM
Stupid UA computer decided to eat 90K pp instead of 70K for JFK-ICN-PVG in OZ F/OZ J.
Unbelievable. ICN and PVG are both in North Asia you idiots.
If you think that is bad, join me working with US Airways...

Stupidity beyond belief, for the good and the bad...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 12:39:55 AM
At least US can override the computer.
I have to wait for the MPSC to fight with it during business hours all for a trip that I'm probably not going to take.
Thanks AJK :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 12:46:15 AM
I do what I can, I do what I can.

Like buying a lotto ticket, it's worth it to dream :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on November 18, 2013, 12:49:32 AM
I put JFK-ICN RT on hold.

Let's see if holds (pun intended) out till tomorrow.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 12:49:54 AM
I do what I can, I do what I can.

Like buying a lotto ticket, it's worth it to dream :P
True, especially when you have free redeposits :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 18, 2013, 12:50:24 AM
I put JFK-ICN RT on hold.

Let's see if holds (pun intended) out till tomorrow.
Why not get it ticketed before OZ wakes up?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on November 18, 2013, 12:57:42 AM
Why not get it ticketed before OZ wakes up?
Cuz I don't plan on ticketing it, unless something hits me really hard over night.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on November 18, 2013, 01:38:46 AM
Thanks AJK!

All ticketed and confirmed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 01:39:11 AM
Congrats.

What'd they charge you for your routing?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on November 18, 2013, 01:46:02 AM
Congrats.

What'd they charge you for your routing?
Surprisingly the correct amount, 140k. Last time was cheaper, but apparently Australia has recently separated from Asia ;)

Well worth it though...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 01:51:21 AM
Well done. I thought you may have trouble with the Australia routing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on November 18, 2013, 02:24:41 AM
Well done. I thought you may have trouble with the Australia routing.
There's always trouble but never had a problem in the end getting it ticketed.

Hope to be able to do a couple more such trips before this last good *A disappears.

Question is now where to stop in Asia for a few days?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 02:28:06 AM
Join us in DPS?  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: nuko on November 18, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
My wife and I are planning a trip to venice and then israel for may to celebrate our 10th anniversary. I have 300k SPG points, 80k AA miles and 30k Skymiles. What would be the most economical way to get from JFK->VCE->TLV and then back to JFK from TLV? Which airline should I transfer my SPG points to - if possible I'd like to fly first or business class as well. I'm thinking of somehow utilizing them in combo with the American Airlines points but I'm a REAL novice at this. Any help is much appreciated
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on November 18, 2013, 09:03:35 AM
My wife and I are planning a trip to venice and then israel for may to celebrate our 10th anniversary. I have 300k SPG points, 80k AA miles and 30k Skymiles. What would be the most economical way to get from JFK->VCE->TLV and then back to JFK from TLV? Which airline should I transfer my SPG points to - if possible I'd like to fly first or business class as well. I'm thinking of somehow utilizing them in combo with the American Airlines points but I'm a REAL novice at this. Any help is much appreciated
Posting here would definitely help.  :)
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 09:06:14 AM
First, you're going to have to post here:

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7986.0

Or here:

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=20823.0

Or anywhere but here!  :-)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: hertzinstl on November 18, 2013, 09:07:43 AM
Or anywhere but here!  :-)
He means that this is HIS thread ...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: nuko on November 18, 2013, 09:13:59 AM
Sorry. I'm new to this. Thanks for the pointers
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 18, 2013, 09:27:30 AM
Ergel when will you be in HKT, I will be there Aug 11 for 10 days at the LMKL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 09:31:00 AM
Sorry. I'm new to this. Thanks for the pointers

No worries.

Ergel when will you be in HKT, I will be there Aug 11 for 10 days at the LMKL

You guys should be there at same time IIRC.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 09:43:38 AM
Ergel when will you be in HKT, I will be there Aug 11 for 10 days at the LMKL
August 12 for a couple of days but I think I'll be staying on phi phi.
I'm thinking about trying to get a speedboat to phi phi on the 12th and do some scuba diving. (Haven't worked on it yet but trying to figure out how to do economically, would you be interested in trying to split?)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 18, 2013, 10:12:26 AM
I did a Speedboat to phi phi for a day trip this year with my family. Paid about 700 USD for a private 35 pax speedboat for the entire day, so I doubt i will do phi phi again

In other breaking news the manager of the LMKL just confirmed to me, that they will stay a starwood for at least another year. Owner and spg agreed
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 10:21:48 AM
I did a Speedboat to phi phi for a day trip this year with my family. Paid about 700 USD for a private 35 pax speedboat for the entire day, so I doubt i will do phi phi again

In other breaking news the manager of the LMKL just confirmed to me, that they will stay a starwood for at least another year. Owner and spg agreed
What about for diving?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 18, 2013, 10:58:01 AM
I am traveling with 5 kids, so diving is not a priority. I did snorkeling, was nice, but I am spoiled through the maldives, so Phi phi doesnt really do it for me
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 18, 2013, 11:46:52 AM
I am traveling with 5 kids, so diving is not a priority. I did snorkeling, was nice, but I am spoiled through the maldives, so Phi phi doesnt really do it for me

Your going again next summer???
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on November 18, 2013, 12:11:00 PM
Yes
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 18, 2013, 12:50:13 PM
Yes


Pretty wholesome place to take your kids for a nice family vacation :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 18, 2013, 09:40:08 PM
Booked JFK-NRT-SGN with JL and SGN-ICN-JFK with OZ for Aug.

Now have a week in Vietnam to plan

(Though we are putting out feelers to Chuchem and family and hoping for an invite to their Villa in KL)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 09:45:07 PM
ICN-JFK with JAL  ???

You mean NRT?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 09:47:09 PM
Ergel when will you be in HKT, I will be there Aug 11 for 10 days at the LMKL


Booked JFK-ICN-SGN with OZ and SGN-ICN-JFK with JAL for Aug.

Now have a week in Vietnam to plan

(Though we are putting out feelers to Chuchem and family and hoping for an invite to their Villa in KL)
Did I miss that? Was this an invite? Maybe I'll change my plans
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 18, 2013, 09:52:39 PM
ICN-JFK with JAL  ???

You mean NRT?

Yes
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 18, 2013, 09:56:29 PM
Avail for 2 on Skysuite?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: eliteflyer on November 18, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
There isn't an F class in the world worth flying 24 hours with a baby in.

Rafi weaned himself at exactly one year.  That means I'm probably sticking to the western hemisphere until after next sukkos.

What about two babies in F? At the 2 year mark, do the babies go with, or is that when you start leaving them at Camp Bubby?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 18, 2013, 10:40:35 PM
What about two babies in F? At the 2 year mark, do the babies go with, or is thatwhen they no longer breastfeed you start leaving them at Camp Bubby?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 19, 2013, 02:49:27 PM
Looks like it's gone anyways (unless it's just not showing on ua.com now)
Current YYZ-MUC-FRA-BKK-HKT
Proposed-YYZ-JFK-ICN-HKT (allows me to drop off kids in JFK, and possibly move yyz-jfk to before the weekend)

Relative question-Leave JFK at 1 PM arrive ICN at 4 PM leave ICN at 8 PM and arrive at 1 AM in HKT
Changed to YYZ-JFK-ICN-HKT
didn't get charged a change fee as they totally messed up my itinerary (see here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33887.msg634771#msg634771)) and I now have free redeposit on this award. Still stinks.
Get into HKT after midnight monday night/tuesday morning and leave 7 PM Thursday evening. Have to decide what to do/where to stay, etc.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2013, 03:59:24 PM
Stupid UA computer decided to eat 90K pp instead of 70K for JFK-ICN-PVG in OZ F/OZ J.
Unbelievable. ICN and PVG are both in North Asia you idiots.
Added CLE to the beginning (wasnt available before) and it repriced at 70K and gave me a 20K refund.
Bizarre.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 19, 2013, 04:09:10 PM
Added CLE to the beginning (wasnt available before) and it repriced at 70K and gave me a 20K refund.
Bizarre.
whats in PVG that its ur final destination?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2013, 04:10:09 PM
whats in PVG that its ur final destination?
Who said it's the final?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 19, 2013, 04:11:29 PM
#wishingIhadfreeredeposits
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2013, 04:13:43 PM
#wishingIhadfreeredeposits
Get PP and spend $375K in MS?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 19, 2013, 04:15:35 PM
Get PP and spend $375K in MS?

I could spend a quarter of that on signup bonuses and use the money from selling the points to get "free" redeposits and come out ahead by a factor of 10 :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2013, 04:20:31 PM
I could spend a quarter of that on signup bonuses and use the money from selling the points to get "free" redeposits and come out ahead by a factor of 10 :P
I've probably done a few hundred changes and redeposits in the past 12 months.  They're lots of fun and a great time waster.  Also factor the other bennies of being Plat and the miles earned.
I had booked itins for every week for all kinds of combinations of pax during the SQ J/F PSS fun for earlier this year.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 19, 2013, 04:27:51 PM
Honestly, I'm somewhat glad I don't have free redeposits.  As it is, I spend entirely too much time with this stuff. With that added bennie, I'd be jobless. And spouse-less.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2013, 04:28:36 PM
:D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 19, 2013, 04:31:12 PM
Who said it's the final?
ur post says thats the last stop.

what are the options?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: SavingsBigtime on November 19, 2013, 04:31:36 PM
Honestly, I'm somewhat glad I don't have free redeposits.  As it is, I spend entirely too much time with this stuff. With that added bennie, I'd be jobless. And spouse-less.
lol , that is the funniest remark by far in this topic! ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on November 19, 2013, 04:32:59 PM
lol , that is the funniest remark by far in this topic! ;D
And sadly true...

#IHaveSameProblem
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: aussiebochur on November 19, 2013, 11:32:32 PM
Honestly, I'm somewhat glad I don't have free redeposits.  As it is, I spend entirely too much time with this stuff. With that added bennie, I'd be jobless. And spouse-less.
Then you dont need redeposits, you fly everything you book ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 19, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
Haha. Touche, ma man, touche.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 09:54:27 PM
Outbound: JFK-ICN-SIN(stop)-DPS in OZ F and SQ J
Inbound: DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC in TG F and LH F

How did you add a stopover on a OW award?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 09:55:56 PM
I have OZ tickets on hold to ICN, but I'm having a hard time finding any decent flights to and from SIN/DPS. I'm out of ideas, but I really want to make this trip happen :-[. Does anyone have any ideas for creative routings? FYI I'm looking for 4 tickets.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 20, 2013, 10:02:51 PM
Nothing through HKG?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:27:01 PM
Nothing through HKG?
Nothing without 2 5 hour layovers.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 20, 2013, 10:32:34 PM
I have OZ tickets on hold to ICN, but I'm having a hard time finding any decent flights to and from SIN/DPS. I'm out of ideas, but I really want to make this trip happen :-[. Does anyone have any ideas for creative routings? FYI I'm looking for 4 tickets.
Why do you need to do DPS?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:33:48 PM
Nothing through HKG?
I have jfk-icn-sin with a 10 min layover in icn should I try and ticket it and maybe they'll waive the change fee because I can't possibly catch my second leg?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:35:10 PM
Why do you need to do DPS?
I'm planning to go to to SIN and DPS, so which ever destination I can find availability either the inbound or outbound, and I'll work on the other destination from there.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 20, 2013, 10:35:57 PM
I have jfk-icn-sin with a 10 min layover in icn should I try and ticket it and maybe they'll waive the change fee because I can't possibly catch my second leg?
They'll definitely waive the change fee for icn-sin. To add DPS, I don't know if that will happen
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 20, 2013, 10:41:29 PM
You have four seats on hold in OZ F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:42:43 PM
You have four seats on hold in OZ F?
Yes
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 20, 2013, 10:44:14 PM
Wowza.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:44:52 PM
They'll definitely waive the change fee for icn-sin. To add DPS, I don't know if that will happen
So if I add DPS via BKK or something like that I can keep on searching until i find something, and have the fee waived hmmm. That sounds like best option at this point, anyone disagree?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:46:12 PM
Wowza.
I let them go and found them again today. After such divine providence I cant let them go ;D
I have 4 seats held RT, but I may only use OW, and maybe I'll use CX for OW.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 20, 2013, 10:48:26 PM
I let them go and found them again today. After such divine providence I cant let them go ;D
I have 4 seats held RT, but I may only use OW, and maybe I'll use CX for OW.
Why can you only use one way?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:50:34 PM
Why can you only use one way?
I can use both ways, but I'm have a hard time finding the intra Asia flights, so I'm thinking maybe I'll find something better with OW for one of the ways.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 20, 2013, 10:51:23 PM
I can use both ways, but I'm have a hard time finding the intra Asia flights, so I'm thinking maybe I'll find something better with OW for one of the ways.
You think you'll find four f seats on CX? Good luck
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:55:16 PM
You think you'll find four f seats on CX? Good luck
I'm not that naive :)I found 5 in J.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 20, 2013, 10:57:15 PM
I found 5 J.
What dates are you reserved in and out of ICN?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 10:58:18 PM
08/11 - 08/25
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 20, 2013, 10:59:10 PM
08/11 - 08/25
Leave jfk 8/10 or 8/11?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 11:03:09 PM
Leave jfk 8/10 or 8/11?
08/11 arriving in ICN  on 08/12 @ 4:10
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 20, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
08/11 arriving in ICN  on 08/12 @ 4:10
Four seats available in j to and from syd 8/12-8/24
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 20, 2013, 11:12:23 PM
Four seats available in j to and from syd 8/12-8/24
Thanks, that's a nice option, but I'm trying to go to SIN/DPS?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 21, 2013, 12:20:24 AM
Four seats available in j to and from syd 8/12-8/24

Coming to think of it maybe I'll go to SYD....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 21, 2013, 01:48:24 PM
Mrs. AJK made my day today (like she does most days).

As we contemplate whether or not to go to TLV, she has begun looking into planning the vacation.

So she emails me:

Quote
I'm reading up on Israel activities etc. The DDF forum has 221 pages. That thread is so annoying. I read one interesting post, then it sparks some whole conversation about who is frummer and who eats the best hashgacha so skim, skim, skim...something interesting, then someone insults someone else's opinion and conflict, conflict, skim, skim, skim....it will take me forever to read through this.

ALOL.

Oiy. If only she knew.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 21, 2013, 01:51:46 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33160
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 21, 2013, 06:54:37 PM
Avail for 2 on Skysuite?

Bump?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: daganster on November 22, 2013, 01:33:39 PM
Four seats available in j to and from syd 8/12-8/24

Ergel, thanks for the idea. I now have jfk-icn-syd RT on hold until Monday. Are there any *A partners in AU that I may want to take advantage of as far as a stopver? I tried adding HNL on the return and the agent said that it isn't possible without explaining why. AJK, thanks for the OZ tip g-d willing I'll have a nice trip planned out with it, and sorry for hijacking your thread.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 18, 2013, 08:19:00 PM
Assuming I have 4-7 days to do a last minute xmas/NYs trip...

Should I considering LIH/OGG or Caribbean ala LIR?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 18, 2013, 08:19:27 PM
Also, does UA still allow a stopover on flights to/from HNL?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on December 18, 2013, 10:24:14 PM
Also, does UA still allow a stopover on flights to/from HNL?
Try to price it online.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 18, 2013, 10:24:46 PM
Of course.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:35:16 PM
Assuming I have 4-7 days to do a last minute xmas/NYs trip...

Should I considering LIH/OGG or Caribbean ala LIR?

Come on people, I know someone has an opinion :)

Or perhaps: Anywhere within 8-10 hours east of NYC that has great weather?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 12:36:54 PM
Come on people, I know someone has an opinion :)

Or perhaps: Anywhere within 8-10 hours east of NYC that has great weather?
What about south? EZE?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:37:36 PM
I guess I could do EZE, but was hoping to burn some more UA miles, perhaps in LH F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 12:39:55 PM
I guess I could do EZE, but was hoping to burn some more UA miles, perhaps in LH F.
8-10 hours limits you to Europe. Is there anywhere with nice weather in Europe during the winter?
How far is JNB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:40:40 PM
If I pushed it to 14, what would say, assuming I had 5-7 days?

JNB be farrr.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 12:41:11 PM
If I pushed it to 14, what would say, assuming I had 5-7 days?

JNB be farrr.
How's the weather in IST? UAE?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:44:42 PM
Cold. And Mrs. AJK has been.

I'd love to do Seychelles, but getting there on *A requires... patience.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 12:45:47 PM
What about ICN. OZ suites?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 12:52:23 PM
EZE is very doable with kids.  Nonstop flights, no time zone change, mostly just eating good food etc.  Might want to hold off but then again who knows how long Asian will last.

HI OTOH is not.  Then again neither is NZ unless you're moish.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:55:46 PM
I can't bring myself to do NZ unless I have two weeks. Those plans have been scrapped until next winter because of professional responsibilities.

But I think I can get away for <7 days over xmas/new years.

I am crazy enough to fly to asia (though not much farther) for <7 days (there is OZ F avail, Ergel), but I'd like a beach destination.

HI is definitely a contender, but I'd want lie-flat, and I also want to LH 744 pre-deval.

Ahhhhh
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:57:01 PM
I'm seriously just flipping through the map online...

cape verde, seychelles, phuket, ....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 12:58:11 PM
I'd do HI. Don't be a slave to the product
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 12:58:34 PM
I'm seriously just flipping through the map online...

cape verde, seychelles, phuket, ....
I'm doing the same, and I'm not the one traveling. It's too far
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 12:58:45 PM
Nail on the head; I am admittedly a slave.

I know, I know.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 01:05:16 PM
OK, let's say I do HI.

Because I'm a slave, want to burn UA on LH F, and am a fiend about exploiting value:

Can I book HNL-NYC(stop)-FRA in LH F, not fly the last segment and only change the date of that last segment post-deval for no reprice?

Anyone know or have an opinion?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 19, 2013, 01:06:26 PM
OK, let's say I do HI.

Because I'm a slave, want to burn UA on LH F, and am a fiend about exploiting value:

Can I book HNL-NYC(stop)-FRA in LH F, not fly the last segment and only change the date of that last segment post-deval for no reprice?

Anyone know or have an opinion?
Will you be able to access LH F lounge with only an arrival F class ticket?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 01:07:58 PM
YMMV, but since I've done it once, will be doing it again Gd willing in a few months, it's not imperative.

I'd for sure be able to access it if I have a further leg on LH/LX.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 01:10:01 PM
Can I book HNL-NYC(stop)-FRA in LH F, not fly the last segment and only change the date of that last segment post-deval for no reprice?
Of course.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 01:15:52 PM
Go to tokoyo....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 19, 2013, 01:19:46 PM
Go to tokoyo....
Lol.
There are no western style addresses in Japan. When I was in Tokyo 9 years ago I kept asking people where Costco was and they looked at me like I was nuts.
Finally 1 person said, ahh you must mean Costoco, it's right around the corner. (It was spelled Costco of course)

So ya, Tokoyo I suppose.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 01:23:03 PM
Lol.
There are no western style addresses in Japan. When I was in Tokyo 9 years ago I kept asking people where Costco was and they looked at me like I was nuts.
Finally 1 person said, ahh you must mean Costoco, it's right around the corner. (It was spelled Costco of course)

So ya, Tokoyo I suppose.
u got the jist. :D  :-[
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 01:24:44 PM
Of course.

Thanks.

EF shows:

(http://gyazo.com/b4f870ad2e4117f45ac646eb8d0fe2ca.png)

Is UA also good about opening up F to HNL ala TLV?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 02:58:13 PM
Oh Crap. Here we go again:

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/12/19/lufthansa-first-class-wide-open-frankfurt-tokyo-haneda/
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on December 19, 2013, 03:01:29 PM
Oh Crap. Here we go again:

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/12/19/lufthansa-first-class-wide-open-frankfurt-tokyo-haneda/
Can't keep on doing this.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 03:02:38 PM
Seems every time I post here, something else like this happens :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 03:04:10 PM
Can't keep on doing this.
I'm shocked they let this happen again
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 03:05:08 PM
Why not just go direct?  Or u must try some new planes?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 03:06:47 PM
Why not just go direct?  Or u must try some new planes?
Welcome to the world of crazy people
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 05:23:22 PM
Welcome to the world of crazy people
lol. I think rich exects don't care about the product as long as it gets them there with a bed in air there good.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 05:24:01 PM
lol. I think rich exects don't care about the product as long as it gets them there with a bed in air there good.
Wrong crazy people
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 05:27:20 PM
Wrong crazy people
I understand. Part of the fun of the trip are the flights.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on December 19, 2013, 05:31:14 PM
I understand. Part of the fun of the trip is telling friends & family about the flights.
FTFY
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 05:34:07 PM
FTFY

-100
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on December 19, 2013, 05:36:28 PM
At least for me, but its only PART of it.
I do enjoy a comfy seat and a nice lavatory.

But nothing like it to tell my grandmother I flew a ticket priced at $9,850 for just $250.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 05:56:57 PM
At least for me, but its only PART of it.
I do enjoy a comfy seat and a nice lavatory.

But nothing like it to tell my grandmother I flew a ticket priced at $9,850 for just $250.
ii agree but i also agree with ajk.

i flew a few measly flights to thailand, we loved it. it was a huge part of our trip...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 07:06:36 PM
Crazy to do MLE again for 4-5 nights in EK F?

No real availability to HI for when I need.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 19, 2013, 07:19:05 PM
Crazy to do MLE again for 4-5 nights in EK F?

No real availability to HI for when I need.
your hilarious!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on December 19, 2013, 08:54:05 PM
Crazy to do MLE again for 4-5 nights in EK F?

No real availability to HI for when I need.
And when I think I'm insane....

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 08:55:09 PM
Crazy to do MLE again for 4-5 nights in EK F?

No real availability to HI for when I need.
That's the obvious solution
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2013, 10:52:32 PM
Ha, I figured you'd guys agree with me. So I have LH and QF F on hold and EK F is available.

Conrad MLE baby!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 19, 2013, 11:00:29 PM
Ha, I figured you'd guys agree with me. So I have LH and QF F on hold and EK F is available.

Conrad MLE baby!

OWB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 19, 2013, 11:53:13 PM
Conrad MLE baby!
Points or cash?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2013, 01:25:44 AM
Oh Crap. Here we go again:

http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/12/19/lufthansa-first-class-wide-open-frankfurt-tokyo-haneda/
Seems like it was phantom.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 20, 2013, 08:51:47 AM
Seems like it was phantom.
Some said they actually got it booked, though most was phantom.

I know i went a little crazy trying to book. When i thought i had it booked and ticketed, it was pointed out i was booked in J across my flights.

Back to square one.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
Anyone ever been to ......South Africa?


After much back and forth, I have the following on hold:

JFK-FRA-JNB in LH F (744 and 388)
JNB-FRA-JFK in LH J and F (388 and 744)

Question -- should I stay in JNB? Go to CPT (Cape Town), or perhaps to Mauritius or Seychelles?

Need to make a decision by midnight!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2013, 06:08:38 PM
What about a safari destination and Victoria falls?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:09:50 PM
What about a safari destination and Victoria falls?
krueger.

they say its amazing, just one issue theres no spg or really branded hotels (if im no mistaken)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:17:52 PM
What about a safari destination and Victoria falls?

Well, if I'm arriving in JNB/CPT, how do I get to VF?

From what I hear, it's not very safe to be driving in JNB...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:18:38 PM
krueger.

they say its amazing, just one issue theres no spg or really branded hotels (if im no mistaken)

Yeah, it'd be an advantage to have a chain hotel somewhere where I go... but I guess it's not imperative.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:19:51 PM
Yeah, it'd be an advantage to have a chain hotel somewhere where I go... but I guess it's not imperative.
you can try to get onto a kosher trip, i have the info of the guy who runs it... it runs high though. thats the only reason why i didnt do it yet. after my 4th million, i wont mind spending 5k a person
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:21:29 PM
Thanks for the info, but I don't think I want to spend $10K on this trip, if I can avoid it :P

Hate planning like this, but when you get a routing like this with UA pre-deval I have to at least try to make it work.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:25:07 PM
Thanks for the info, but I don't think I want to spend $10K on this trip, if I can avoid it :P

Hate planning like this, but when you get a routing like this with UA pre-deval I have to at least try to make it work.
forsure.

you do the whole trip MUCH less if you do chain hotels - maybe in capetown or something. (stay in capetown, and buy all the kosher food there in the grocery)  and hire someone to take you up and drive around at the park.
plenty of jewish tour guides there that would do it for cheap.
5k is a kosher safari.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
Yeah, maybe that's what I'll do.

I'll make it JFK-FRA-JNB-CPT and
CPT-JNB-FRA-JFK-----HNL

Then worry about what to do tomorrow...

If anyone has been there, is there kosher food? Enough to do for 5-7 days?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:29:32 PM
Yeah, maybe that's what I'll do.

I'll make it JFK-FRA-JNB-CPT and
CPT-JNB-FRA-JFK-----HNL

Then worry about what to do tomorrow...

If anyone has been there, is there kosher food? Enough to do for 5-7 days?
theres a huge frum jewish community.

theres around 5 shuls and a bunch of kosher groceries.

pm me to remind me to find out exact details from people tomorrow.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2013, 06:30:34 PM
Would love to see TRs from CPT/JNB.
Complete dearth of them here on DDF.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:32:27 PM
Would love to see TRs from CPT/JNB.
Complete dearth of them here on DDF.
its so sad, bec this is my dream. more than MLE. i would love to go on one of these safari's. (also cant bring kids, bec theyll make noise in the open jeeps, and scare the animals away)

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:33:26 PM
I'd also love to do it, but without TRs from those who went before me, planning this thing in <24 hours is going to be tough.

Rots, I'll take whatever you can get.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:36:50 PM
I'd also love to do it, but without TRs from those who went before me, planning this thing in <24 hours is going to be tough.

Rots, I'll take whatever you can get.
ok. i will get more info.

i will ask tom. just what specifics, besides kosher would you like to know.

its a couple hr drive upto the park from the jewish area. (ppl do it all the time, as per my south african friends have told me)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:37:48 PM
Krieger is where you can see like crazy animals, e.g lions and tigers and bears, oh my!?

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:39:25 PM
email yoni. He runs http://www.africakoshersafaris.fr/

he was very helpful last year when i was planning my trip even though i was not going to go thru his program.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
Krieger is where you can see like crazy animals, e.g lions and tigers and bears, oh my!?





its up a week ago.... 26.5 million hits!

73 milliom
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2013, 06:43:19 PM
Incredible!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:46:37 PM
Fantastic.

Anyone know if there is Kosher food in CPT? Or is it just in JNB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 06:49:54 PM
Fantastic.

Anyone know if there is Kosher food in CPT? Or is it just in JNB?
http://www.shamash.org/kosher/search.php?Comm=two&Area=Cape+Town+South+Africa+Metro+area
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:52:59 PM
TYVM.

Just trying to do a million things.

Anyone know if I ticket this, can I cancel it within 24 hours even if it's scheduled to leave tomorrow?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2013, 06:54:10 PM
I can cancel it within 24 hours even if it's scheduled to leave tomorrow.
ftfy
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on December 21, 2013, 06:55:01 PM
ftfy
A simple yes would've sufficed
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 06:59:39 PM
Thanks.

Darn, to add the leg from NYC-HNL adds 15K p/p. Ugh.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 21, 2013, 07:01:12 PM
Thanks.

Darn, to add the leg from NYC-HNL adds 15K p/p. Ugh.


explain to me why your adding it though? sorry.... lost about that part of your itin

eta: ohhh its for the next vacation?? smart :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 21, 2013, 07:06:28 PM
Anyone ever been to ......South Africa?


After much back and forth, I have the following on hold:

JFK-FRA-JNB in LH F (744 and 388)
JNB-FRA-JFK in LH J and F (388 and 744)

Question -- should I stay in JNB? Go to CPT (Cape Town), or perhaps to Mauritius or Seychelles?

Need to make a decision by midnight!

+1000 How long do you have?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 21, 2013, 07:08:30 PM
explain to me why your adding it though? sorry.... lost about that part of your itin

eta: ohhh its for the next  series of AJK/Mrs. AJK honeymoons vacation?? smart :)

FTFY
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 07:10:37 PM
explain to me why your adding it though? sorry.... lost about that part of your itin

eta: ohhh its for the next vacation?? smart :)

Well, normally, it'd simply be free. But because I'm coming from SA, it's an extra 15K.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 07:11:13 PM
FTFY

 ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 21, 2013, 07:13:56 PM
;D

(http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/andresr/andresr1203/andresr120300309/12619581-pilots-giving-a-high-five-in-an-airplane-cabin.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 07:17:45 PM
CPT first and JNB for shabbas? or vice versa?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 21, 2013, 07:35:05 PM
CPT first and JNB for shabbas? or vice versa?

May be able to get you a place for shabbos in JNB- I texted you...unless Mrs. AJK has family there.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: eve on December 21, 2013, 09:45:47 PM
Any one with any ideas?????        I am from ny but I am  driving to Philli to take a flight to FLL the last week of December cuz the flights are so much cheaper than from NY. Does anyone know an inexpensive way to get long term parking in the airport or somewhere close? I will be in FLL for a week. If anyone can give me advice i appreciate it!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 11:31:21 PM
Done and done.

I'm out of my mind.

And I have a wife who loves me anyway.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on December 21, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
Done and done.

I'm out of my mind.

And I have a wife who loves me anyway.

Final Itin?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on December 21, 2013, 11:41:16 PM
Done and done.

I'm out of my mind.

And I have a wife who loves me anyway. to write a TR

FTFY
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 21, 2013, 11:44:11 PM
FTFY

LOL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 01:23:26 AM
JFK-FRA-JNB-CPT(stop)-JNB(stop)-MQP-(stop)-JNB-FRA-JFK(stop)-HNL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 02:45:24 AM
Westin CPT for 10K SPG (or $550) vs. Hilton CPT for 50K (or $286)?

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 22, 2013, 03:09:23 AM
Westin CPT for 10K SPG (or $550) vs. Hilton CPT for 50K (or $286)?


personally go for the cheaper and use the extra on a better tour in Krueger.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 03:20:44 AM
Either way, I'm using points, so I won't be out of pocket... Just curious what I should do.

We booked SPG for now.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: SamKey on December 22, 2013, 03:32:26 AM
I have a cousin who lives there (he's the sil of the chief Rabbi)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on December 22, 2013, 04:20:41 AM
AJK, you got me thinking to maybe hop on a plane with my kids and go as well

Dont think a safari with kids can be arranged so little in advance and just CPT might not be worth it

Also Krugers is not malaria free....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 04:22:07 AM
Everything is going to work out.

Meet us there. We're working it out as we speak :-)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on December 22, 2013, 04:33:05 AM
Yeah, booking for 7 and booking for 2 is a little different :-)

Kids still have school 2 days. Lets see how things go.

Prob will not happen, but you never know
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 04:34:39 AM
Easier to get to JNB from ZRH, than from NYC ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 22, 2013, 04:54:15 AM
Easier to get to JNB from ZRH, than from NYC ;)
a lot. I think it's an hour diff. Also Chuchum be careful you might need shots. And kids can be arranged but you'll need to hire a jeep with windows and roof
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on December 22, 2013, 06:37:46 AM
Wow, enjoy. Trip of a lifetime (or at least till there's kids :) )
Too bad no SEZ. Was hoping for a TR on it.
At least it'll get cheaper w/ UA post-deval ex-TLV.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on December 22, 2013, 06:54:46 AM
Did you find out what the shabbes options are in cpt?

Any hotels within walking distance of shul
Any shul host meals?

Does it have a eiruv in cpt?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 22, 2013, 08:23:15 AM
Did you find out what the shabbes options are in cpt?

Any hotels within walking distance of shul
Any shul host meals?

Does it have a eiruv in cpt?

there is a full out community in cpt now bec its the summer and universities are off.

rabbi brett from ohr sameach is there. he is an amazing person and very helpful (only from what people have been telling me)

as well as the chabad rabbi (they think his name is rabbi mizrachi) if anyone needs a number or 2 i have of some single older (20+) guys that can help.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 09:59:23 AM
a lot. I think it's an hour diff. Also Chuchum be careful you might need shots. And kids can be arranged but you'll need to hire a jeep with windows and roof

Not sure if shots are completely necessary. (Well, I sure hope they aren't :P)

Wow, enjoy. Trip of a lifetime (or at least till there's kids :) )
Too bad no SEZ. Was hoping for a TR on it.
At least it'll get cheaper w/ UA post-deval ex-TLV.

Was hoping to be able to provide a TR to SEZ, but beggars can't be choosers.

Did you find out what the shabbes options are in cpt?

Any hotels within walking distance of shul
Any shul host meals?

Does it have a eiruv in cpt?


I think we'll be in JoBurg for Shabbas, but I do believe there are hotels within walking distance to shuls in CPT.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 22, 2013, 10:23:27 AM
JFK-FRA-JNB-CPT(stop)-JNB(stop)-MQP-(stop)-JNB-FRA-JFK(stop)-HNL

All F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
There ain't no F to MQP... trust me :P

Unless of course, you mean on the nose of the puddle jumper.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on December 22, 2013, 10:42:39 AM
There ain't no F to MQP... trust me :P

Unless of course, you mean on the nose of the puddle jumper.

VIP seat in the cockpit?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 09:38:52 PM
Where are you posting from lite:

JFK LH Lounge
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 22, 2013, 11:05:58 PM
Relatively, one of the worst things you can hear in F:

Due to strong tailwinds...

Fml
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 22, 2013, 11:14:15 PM
You in SA this weekend? Email me...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 23, 2013, 12:33:39 AM
Haven't looked at this thread in a while. Please spell Kruger correctly everyone :) AJK what's your itinerary while in Africa?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 23, 2013, 08:54:40 AM
Relatively, one of the worst things you can hear in F:

Due to strong tailwinds...

Fml
First world problems...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 10:00:22 AM
You in SA this weekend? Email me...

How long will you be there for?

Haven't looked at this thread in a while. Please spell Kruger correctly everyone :) AJK what's your itinerary while in Africa?

It's an auto correct thing...

Have you been?

First world problems...

Granted...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on December 23, 2013, 10:11:12 AM
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/07/09/lufthansa-offering-first-class-and-hon-circle-members-three-hour-porsche-rentals-for-e99-10/
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 10:22:56 AM
http://boardingarea.com/onemileatatime/2013/07/09/lufthansa-offering-first-class-and-hon-circle-members-three-hour-porsche-rentals-for-e99-10/

Ahh forgot about this.

Looking into it now.

Thanks, man.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 10:49:55 AM
Don't have the 911 :-( 

Only a Panamera.

Not sure it's worth it...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chuchem on December 23, 2013, 11:18:32 AM
If you have nothing better to do. YOu take it top speed on the Autobahn. Come on.... For sure worth it
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 23, 2013, 11:24:47 AM
Don't have the 911 :-( 

Only a Panamera.

Not sure it's worth it...
how long is the layover?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 11:26:38 AM
Was from 12-930.

Now it's 530PM.

Been planning our trip for most of the day. (Gotta do it sometime when you leave <24 hours from booking).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 23, 2013, 11:34:33 AM
Was from 12-930.

Now it's 530PM.

Been planning our trip for most of the day. (Gotta do it sometime when you leave <24 hours from booking).
wish i had such issues :)

I'm sure you will end up with a nice itinerary.

Something i'm sure we all look forward to Mrs. AJK writing up.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 23, 2013, 11:58:07 AM
@AJK: Here ya go (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3986.msg671447#msg671447)
Also, don't forget to see G-d's window, Potholes, Table mountain and lions head mountain in CPT, Cape Point, Cape of good hope (one side green water the other side blue)...
Also, around the CPT area there's a very historic shul, though I don't remember details..

Make sure to eat at "On the Square"!
Drive the garden route!

SA is awesome.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 12:08:21 PM
Thanks for that!

Is it safe to drive to go out to dinner at night in CPT?

Also, when you did Kruger, how did you pick a place to stay? Did you just show up and drive and drive until you came across a place?

Essentially you went and winged it?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 23, 2013, 12:24:57 PM
Thanks for that!

Is it safe to drive to go out to dinner at night in CPT?

Also, when you did Kruger, how did you pick a place to stay? Did you just show up and drive and drive until you came across a place?

Essentially you went and winged it?
CPT is quite busy, especially in the summer people flock there, I wouldn't say there's any problem going anywhere by car as long as it's part of the city proper.

Kruger we always reserved in advance for a place to stay. You look at a map and calculate where you'll be driving for the day and where you want to end up at night..
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 12:29:10 PM
Great, so we can go out for dinner. Any recommendations for On the Square?

So you stayed at a basic lodge; nothing fancy I take it?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 23, 2013, 01:04:43 PM
Great, so we can go out for dinner. Any recommendations for On the Square?

So you stayed at a basic lodge; nothing fancy I take it?
I don't think there's anything really fancy at Kruger, everything is rustic and fitting to the atmosphere if you know what I mean. I was very happy with the accommodations and lacked nothing, though I didn't expect anything close to a hotel. The best place I stayed physical structure-wise was at Pretoriuskop where there was a proper house with a very nice porch overlooking a stream but, as I said, the area was pretty boring.
Maybe by now they have luxurious constructions there though I highly doubt it.

For on the square, AFAIR, they had like 10 kinds of marinades for steaks, each one better than the next but, unfortunately, I can't pinpoint anything specific.
their marinated steaks were all top notch and great tasting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 23, 2013, 01:45:29 PM
Are you checking out Sun city?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 01:46:19 PM
I hadn't even heard of it, but maybe I should? :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 01:46:40 PM
For on the square, AFAIR, they had like 10 kinds of marinades for steaks, each one better than the next but, unfortunately, I can't pinpoint anything specific.
their marinated steaks were all top notch and great tasting.

Can't wait! Thanks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 23, 2013, 01:48:41 PM
Have you been?
yes
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2013, 02:19:38 PM
Care to share tips?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on December 23, 2013, 05:19:04 PM
Looking forward to Mrs AJK's TR.  :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 23, 2013, 05:41:26 PM
I hadn't even heard of it, but maybe I should? :P
You need a whole day for it. You can have a fun day there.
http://www.sun-city-south-africa.com/
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 23, 2013, 08:04:51 PM
Care to share tips?
Sure. What is your itinerary while you are on the ground and is it finalized?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 23, 2013, 09:54:09 PM
Great, so we can go out for dinner. Any recommendations for On the Square?

I've heard very good things about it
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 24, 2013, 04:04:59 AM
Sure. What is your itinerary while you are on the ground and is it finalized?

Just landed in JNB. Excellent F crew on the 388 from FRA.

Waiting on our SA flight to CPT.

Will be there until Friday morning,  when we'll return to JNB for shabbas. Early Sunday morning, go to Gd's Window en route to Kruger,  where we'll be until Tuesday afternoon.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 24, 2013, 06:18:35 AM
Just landed in JNB. Excellent F crew on the 388 from FRA.

Waiting on our SA flight to CPT.

Will be there until Friday morning,  when we'll return to JNB for shabbas. Early Sunday morning, go to Gd's Window en route to Kruger,  where we'll be until Tuesday afternoon.

Thoughts?
try to have fun?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 24, 2013, 06:24:50 AM
try to have fun?

Fun? What's that?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on December 24, 2013, 07:15:29 AM
Fun? What's that?
:)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 24, 2013, 09:45:33 AM
Just landed in JNB. Excellent F crew on the 388 from FRA.

Waiting on our SA flight to CPT.

Will be there until Friday morning,  when we'll return to JNB for shabbas. Early Sunday morning, go to Gd's Window en route to Kruger,  where we'll be until Tuesday afternoon.

Thoughts?
Nice!! In CPT make sure to go to the Cape of Good Hope. The baboons along with the scenery and crashing ocean are amazing. You can even see Ostriches walking along the beach etc. If you have time also try to drive towards Hermanus on the coast, the mountains running into the ocean on that drive are breathtaking. And don't forget the penguins there is whole colony of them near CPT. Lion's head or Table mountain in CPT itself also can't be missed. The harbor area in CPT is a very pleasant place to walk around.

Where are you staying in Kruger?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 24, 2013, 12:01:27 PM
penguins there is whole colony of them near CPT.
@ boulder beach.
Cannot be missed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 24, 2013, 02:13:14 PM
@ boulder beach.
Cannot be missed.
Yup  :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 24, 2013, 06:04:08 PM
Nice!! In CPT make sure to go to the Cape of Good Hope. The baboons along with the scenery and crashing ocean are amazing. You can even see Ostriches walking along the beach etc. If you have time also try to drive towards Hermanus on the coast, the mountains running into the ocean on that drive are breathtaking. And don't forget the penguins there is whole colony of them near CPT. Lion's head or Table mountain in CPT itself also can't be missed. The harbor area in CPT is a very pleasant place to walk around.

Where are you staying in Kruger?

Thanks, we plan on hitting about 90% of your recommendations in the next two days.

As of now, we're staying one night at Berg-en-dal, and playing it by ear for the second night.

Any tips? How to pick up a guided tour somewhere?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 24, 2013, 08:18:04 PM
I would try to stay the second night at the Sabi Sound, Timbivati or Londolozi. They are connected to Kruger and since they can drive off road you will see a lot in a short amount of time. They are from the premier reserves in the world. In Kruger itself you will need to stay on the road, which is fine if you have a week, but not ideal for the amount of time you will be there. These reserves are connected to Kruger so it's just as authentic. All 3 reserves offer guided tours.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 25, 2013, 12:51:52 AM
Thanks for the reccos. I've reached out to Londolozi and Timbavati, and Londolozi is sold out for our dates.

I''m waiting on Timbavati to get back to me.

Which resort/lodge am I looking for in Sabi Sound?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 25, 2013, 01:15:20 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/ufGY1EN.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 25, 2013, 01:17:28 AM
Thanks for the reccos. I've reached out to Londolozi and Timbavati, and Londolozi is sold out for our dates.

I''m waiting on Timbavati to get back to me.

Which resort/lodge am I looking for in Sabi Sound?
Not surprised about Londolozi, let's hope one of the other 2 work. Anywhere in the Sabi Sound network will be good, it really should come down to pricing as it's a small fortune (a worthwhile one) and all. I don't recall specifics on the different lodges. Make sure you get in at least one night drive and one early morning drive. Ideally you should get 3 drives on the 1 night stay. It's smart that you are saving the best for the last. You will be blown away.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 25, 2013, 01:21:19 AM
Not surprised about Londolozi, let's hope one of the other 2 work. Anywhere in the Sabi Sound network will be good, it really should come down to pricing as it's a small fortune (a worthwhile one) and all. I don't recall specifics on the different lodges. Make sure you get in at least one night drive and one early morning drive. Ideally you should get 3 drives on the 1 night stay. It's smart that you are saving the best for the last. You will be blown away.

I was able to find at Timbavati! Sent 'em an email confirmation.

All in all it's not that expensive, if we take away food (which we're not going to eat obv).

They said that when we arrive on Sunday, they'll take us on a Big 5 sunset tour from 3-8PM. And then a full day tour from 5:30AM-5:30PM.

I've asked if they can do another tour on Tuesday morning. Will let you know. Thanks!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 25, 2013, 01:29:23 AM
I was able to find at Timbavati! Sent 'em an email confirmation.

All in all it's not that expensive, if we take away food (which we're not going to eat obv).

They said that when we arrive on Sunday, they'll take us on a Big 5 sunset tour from 3-8PM. And then a full day tour from 5:30AM-5:30PM.

I've asked if they can do another tour on Tuesday morning. Will let you know. Thanks!
Way to go!! Best decision of your entire trip btw! What are they charging you?

That is an awesome amount of time. You have a really good chance at seeing leopard at night and they have many lions. You may even see cheetah if you are lucky (I wasn't  :( although we came close). You never know what you will see but you are doing everything you can to increase your chances. I had a leopard walk within 5 feet of me one late afternoon. Hard to describe. Way cooler than the lazy lions (even though they were feeding on a kill). In our Timbivati lodge a Hyena ran into the gates during a bbq and the cook chased it out with a stick. Cool stuff.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 26, 2013, 06:21:12 AM
If you have nothing better to do. YOu take it top speed on the Autobahn. Come on.... For sure worth it
*Please note that at least two credit cards, one of which must be gold, have to be provided as security for the reservation. In addition you must have held a driverís licence for three years and be at least 25 years old.


Darn
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 06:57:50 AM
One of which be gold? As in the color? Or Amex?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 26, 2013, 09:42:33 AM
One of which be gold? As in the color? Or Amex?
Probably some German kind of card. That want the point I'm worried about :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: SamKey on December 26, 2013, 10:06:20 AM
Probably some German kind of card. That want the point I'm worried about :)
lol
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 10:17:13 AM
Probably some German kind of card. That want the point I'm worried about :)

I know, I know. Just a weird requirement.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 04:43:00 PM
Way to go!! Best decision of your entire trip btw! What are they charging you?

That is an awesome amount of time. You have a really good chance at seeing leopard at night and they have many lions. You may even see cheetah if you are lucky (I wasn't  :( although we came close). You never know what you will see but you are doing everything you can to increase your chances. I had a leopard walk within 5 feet of me one late afternoon. Hard to describe. Way cooler than the lazy lions (even though they were feeding on a kill). In our Timbivati lodge a Hyena ran into the gates during a bbq and the cook chased it out with a stick. Cool stuff.

We can't wait. We've heard from others in CPT that it's definitely not to be missed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 08:08:34 PM
Cape Town (and it's surrounding areas)...

Simply the prettiest city I've ever laid eyes on.

(http://i.imgur.com/0PMZAho.png)


(http://i.imgur.com/qIGJwrV.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 26, 2013, 08:33:12 PM
Cape Town (and it's surrounding areas)...

Simply the prettiest city I've ever laid eyes on.
Have you been to GIG or SYD?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 08:36:06 PM
Nope. Did CPT in lieu of SYD and AKL, which got pushed off until next year.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 26, 2013, 10:29:10 PM
Cape Town (and it's surrounding areas)...

Simply the prettiest city I've ever laid eyes on.


Nice.
Now let's see a tablecloth :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 26, 2013, 10:37:15 PM
Have you been to GIG or SYD?
I have been to all 3. I think GIG is a drop nicer than CPT, although if you ask me tomorrow I may change my mind. CPT is not as overwhelmingly beautiful but the view from on top of Table Mountain is unreal. If you add the cape of Good Hope to the equation my bets are with CPT. SYD (including the Bondi cliffs) doesn't compare in terms of natural beauty.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 10:37:18 PM
I'm pretty sure I can rustle up one of those :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 10:42:57 PM
I have been to all 3. I think GIG is a drop nicer than CPT, although if you ask me tomorrow I may change my mind. CPT is not as overwhelmingly beautiful but the view from on top of Table Mountain is unreal. If you add the cape of Good Hope to the equation my bets are with CPT. SYD (including the Bondi cliffs) doesn't compare in terms of natural beauty.

Yeah, when I said CPT, I meant also its surrounding areas, i.e. Cape of Good Hope, Cape Point, Chapman's Peak, Haut Bay, Muizenberg beach, etc.

If GIG is even in the same league, I'm blown away.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 26, 2013, 10:48:46 PM
Yeah, when I said CPT, I meant also its surrounding areas, i.e. Cape of Good Hope, Cape Point, Chapman's Peak, Haut Bay, Muizenberg beach, etc.

If GIG is even in the same league, I'm blown away.
GIG doesn't have the same amount of places to see but when you go to the top of Corcovado mountain and Sugar loaf you will be absolutely blown away. Leblon beach is also stunning when looking towards the Sheraton and the surrounding Favela's. Really tough call between the 2 although I am still leaning CPT. When you make it to GIG we should work on this together  ;D.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 10:50:05 PM
Such a well traveled Fan of Dan you are! I hope to be able to one day compare notes with you.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 26, 2013, 10:52:30 PM
One of the advantages of CPT, as I see it, is the fact that around every bend, around every corner, it's another mind blowing, jaw droppingly beautiful landscape.

I legitimately ran out of superlatives to describe them.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on December 26, 2013, 10:57:52 PM
One of the advantages of CPT, as I see it, is the fact that around every bend, around every corner, it's another mind blowing, jaw droppingly beautiful landscape.
Try Sedona, AZ for the same sitch.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on December 26, 2013, 10:58:55 PM
Such a well traveled Fan of Dan you are! I hope to be able to one day compare notes with you.
Thank you! Would love to do that one day.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on January 01, 2014, 10:32:18 PM
When can we expect TR?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on January 02, 2014, 12:06:22 AM
When can we expect TR?
Let him rest up, he's jetlagged :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 02, 2014, 10:05:27 AM
One of the advantages of CPT, as I see it, is the fact that around every bend, around every corner, it's another mind blowing, jaw droppingly beautiful landscape.

I legitimately ran out of superlatives to describe them.


Sounds like Symi, Greece. :)

Disclaimer: the views expressed herein are solely those of the author (and sometimes his wife), blah blah blah... ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 02, 2014, 12:04:50 PM

Sounds like Symi, Greece. :)

Disclaimer: the views expressed herein are solely those of the author (and sometimes his wife), blah blah blah... ;D
symi is nice but not that nice. and u can see the whole island from one view... cool colorful houses though :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 02, 2014, 12:12:53 PM
symi is nice but not that nice. and u can see the whole island from one view... cool colorful houses though :)

Have you ever tried renting a moped and losing yourself in the alleys and byways of the town? Quite a beautiful experience. :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 02, 2014, 05:45:18 PM
Have you ever tried renting a moped and losing yourself in the alleys and byways of the town? Quite a beautiful experience. :D
no... wife was 8 months preg :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 13, 2014, 01:54:14 PM
Nice.
Now let's see a tablecloth :)

For you:

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/newsgraphics/2014/01/12/places-to-go/assets/images/capetown-1564.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on January 13, 2014, 01:55:11 PM
now this is something!!!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: txtmax4 on January 13, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
Gorgeous
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on January 13, 2014, 08:31:27 PM
Eagerly awaiting TR!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dbel23 on January 13, 2014, 08:35:27 PM
wow that is pretty amazing
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2014, 11:22:08 PM
Outbound: JFK-ICN-SIN(stop)-DPS in OZ F and SQ J
Inbound: DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC in TG F and LH F

Anyone think I'm crazy to change the inbound from above to this?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=38018.0

I'd have to find my own way from DPS to CMB, but for basically the same price, I could earn triple miles and fly EY F, which is better than both LH and TG.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on February 01, 2014, 11:28:19 PM
Anyone think I'm crazy to change the inbound from above to this?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=38018.0

I'd have to find my own way from DPS to CMB, but for basically the same price, I could earn triple miles and fly EY F, which is better than both LH and TG.

And need to spend an extra 10k Avios DFW-NYC....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2014, 11:31:51 PM
Yeah, that's one thing.

Also, I'd be giving up TG BKK F lounge and FCT, but I've done them already... then again, I don't know how soon I'd be doing them again considering the deval.

Then again, the fare is refundable.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on February 01, 2014, 11:37:11 PM
Yeah, that's one thing.

Also, I'd be giving up TG BKK F lounge and FCT, but I've done them already... then again, I don't know how soon I'd be doing them again considering the deval.

Then again, the fare is refundable.
In your situation I would definitely book them (if you could lay out the cash for a while).

The question is, what else are you going to do with those UA miles...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: DBK on February 01, 2014, 11:52:01 PM
Anyone think I'm crazy to change the inbound from above to this?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=38018.0

I'd have to find my own way from DPS to CMB, but for basically the same price, I could earn triple miles and fly EY F, which is better than both LH and TG.
How are you earning triple miles?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2014, 11:52:46 PM
In your situation I would definitely book them (if you could lay out the cash for a while).

The question is, what else are you going to do with those UA miles...

Yeah, that's the other issue.

I'm getting great value from the UA miles, and I won't be come 2/3.

Also, I realized it ain't so easy to get from DPS to CMB.

So, I'd have to 1) pay UA redeposit fee of $200/pax, 2) pay $400/pax for DPS-CMB or 35K Avios/25K UA, 3) Give up TG F lounge and FCT, 4) lose value on redeposited UA, and 5) still have to get home from DFW.

Advantages: 1) Get to fly EY, and 2) have a return F trip basically at any time in 2014 for $500/pax.

That last bit is very enticing, but still not looking good for the switch, unless I'm missing something.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on February 01, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
Yeah, that's the other issue.

I'm getting great value from the UA miles, and I won't be come 2/3.

Also, I realized it ain't so easy to get from DPS to CMB.

So, I'd have to 1) pay UA redeposit fee of $200/pax, 2) pay $400/pax for DPS-CMB or 35K Avios/25K UA, 3) Give up TG F lounge and FCT, 4) lose value on redeposited UA, and 5) still have to get home from DFW.

Advantages: 1) Get to fly EY, and 2) have a return F trip basically at any time in 2014 for $500/pax.

That last bit is very enticing, but still not looking good for the switch, unless I'm missing something.
IMHO not worth it.

Now, to make a trip out of this is another thing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2014, 11:57:46 PM
Much harder to do that, considering the positioning involved.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2014, 11:59:12 PM
How are you earning triple miles?

You're right.

It's only 150%... another knock.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/etihad.jsp
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on February 02, 2014, 12:00:01 AM
Much harder to do that, considering the positioning involved.
OW are $961.

Beats 90k AA.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: DBK on February 02, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
You're right.

It's only 150%... another knock.

https://www.aa.com/i18n/AAdvantage/earnMiles/travel/airlines/etihad.jsp
Original is looking better and better
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 12:10:15 AM
OW are $961.

Beats 90k AA.

Definitely beats 90K AA, especially considering you'd earn 15K AA OW.

Perhaps I'll just book it for now and see if I change my mind.

It is refundable after all.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on February 02, 2014, 12:39:48 AM
Definitely beats 90K AA, especially considering you'd earn 15K AA OW.

Perhaps I'll just book it for now and see if I change my mind.

It is refundable after all.
Booked.

Now I need to plan a trip ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 12:47:19 AM
I booked also.

Not everyday you can snag EY F for $750 per way :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on February 02, 2014, 01:12:52 AM
Would be cool to somehow combine this w/ a trip I anyhow want to take to CMB at some point.

So I'd go to CMB using AA from TLV at 35k RT in J, and then continue on to the US to visit family in summer of 2015.

But just too much positioning to make it work, and the AA deval is around the corner.

Date changes are free, but need to be used within one year of ticketing?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 01:13:57 AM
EY rules seem to indicate the second segment can be changed without reprice for a year from first leg. Crazy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 01:28:31 AM
Booked.

Now I need to plan a trip ;D

How'd you book? Which OTA?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yordai Dooma on February 02, 2014, 01:30:58 AM
EY rules seem to indicate the second segment can be changed without reprice for a year from first leg. Crazy.
What about the return? Think that can be changed for a year?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 01:47:00 AM
That's what I meant. Return, not second segment.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on February 02, 2014, 02:48:27 AM
Im assuming you tried AUH-NYC?

Like mier said, i would book this as another trip up your sleeve
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 03:53:23 AM
Don't know a good place for this, but wow.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14672968-post7.html

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on February 02, 2014, 03:58:55 AM
Don't know a good place for this, but wow.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14672968-post7.html


Im happy hes spending christmas wit us :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on February 02, 2014, 04:08:43 AM
Don't know a good place for this, but wow.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14672968-post7.html


I put it into this thread.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=31284.new#new

He's one of the FT classics. Ppl wait for each of his reports w/ bated breath.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 04:09:28 AM
Did you see that list?  :o
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on February 02, 2014, 04:11:04 AM
Did you see that list?  :o
Yea, he's insane. I don't know how he has the patience to write all of them.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 02, 2014, 04:15:59 AM
Writing them comes secondary.

Even flying them is crazy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on February 02, 2014, 05:32:20 AM
Writing them comes secondary.

Even flying them is crazy.
I wonder w/ these folks if it's all pleasure, or a mix or pleasure/biz.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: BigDanFan on February 02, 2014, 07:55:38 AM
Don't know a good place for this, but wow.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14672968-post7.html
+1
yes wow! Besides all those trips and writing - that's a lot of diff airlines and 'airline families..' to track points and fly on..
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on February 02, 2014, 09:40:31 AM
How'd you book? Which OTA?
PL.

Seems like BKK/CNX/HKT is in the plans.

Was going to do Aussie, but would be winter over there so not worth it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: DBK on February 02, 2014, 01:18:25 PM
Don't know a good place for this, but wow.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14672968-post7.html
Wow  :o speechless
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 03, 2014, 08:32:24 AM
Don't know a good place for this, but wow.

http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/14672968-post7.html
What one can do with time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: BigDanFan on February 03, 2014, 09:06:12 AM
What one can do with time.
+1
looks like there's $$ too - either to pay for some of these travels or to not be working all those weeks..
someone has to pay the mortgage
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2014, 11:56:27 AM
Need more than time for this, my friend.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 03, 2014, 12:10:32 PM
Need more than time for this, my friend.
True. Though one of the first things one would need is the time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 03, 2014, 12:11:36 PM
True. Though one of the first things one would need is the time.
And money. And savvy
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 03, 2014, 12:12:25 PM
And money. And savvy
True. But even with all that, if you don't have the time...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2014, 12:13:26 PM
True. Though one of the first things one would need is the time.

Really? One of the first things is time?

How many people you know that have the TIME to do what he does? I'd imagine it's way more than the people you know who have the $$ and/or knowledge to pull it off.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 03, 2014, 12:15:53 PM
Really? One of the first things is time?

How many people you know that have the TIME to do what he does? I'd imagine it's way more than the people you know who have the $$ and/or knowledge to pull it off.
Agreed. Not discounting the many other things which one needs to have.

Seems like this can be likened to the chicken and egg question.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: BigDanFan on February 03, 2014, 07:35:07 PM
True. Though one of the first things one would need is the time.
and brains (together with some money/time/smarts..)
maybe he hires an agent/friend to put it together?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2014, 07:42:20 PM
With enough money, you don't need brains.

But something tells me the majority of these trips were booked with miles. He is a big poster on FT after all.

Plenty of trust fund babies, for instance, travel like this and wouldn't know FT if a mistake fare dropped in their lap.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: BigDanFan on February 03, 2014, 07:46:15 PM
With enough money, you don't need brains.

But something tells me the majority of these trips were booked with miles. He is a big poster on FT after all.

Plenty of trust fund babies, for instance, travel like this and wouldn't know FT if a mistake fare dropped in their lap.
+1
very true - maybe lots of miles built up just with someone else's money
i've seen some of those at my free spg plat 3-room suite hotels
i keep thinking:
i paid: $0 + 0 taxes
he paid: $700 + $100 taxes


Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 04, 2014, 01:47:11 PM
Quote
Change clarification for itineraries booked before February 3: Many of you have also been asking about what kinds of itinerary changes will re-trigger a re-price to the new award chart, and I can share some additional follow-up details about that. As a reminder, the existing change process will apply, and any change that requires an award to re-price will require an add/collect of the additional miles under the new award price structure. Fees for change/cancel will still apply per our existing policies. Changes that will not trigger a re-price for itineraries ticketed before February 3, 2014 include:

  • Date/time (cabin, region, and award type canít change)
  • Carrier on one or more segments (cabin, region, and award type canít change)
  • Origin/Destination within the same regions (carrier and cabin canít change)

Source: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/22283437-post2586.html

So let me get this straight.

I'd be able to change:

DPS-BKK-FRA-MUC-YYZ
to
DPS-BKK-FRA-NYC

because YYZ and NYC are in same region?

(http://gyazo.com/ab5c9e47b9917bd54bd4b14a59d9b8fe.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 04, 2014, 01:55:13 PM
That's what it says as long as no cabin change. Again it's a question of how it's programmed, which is completely up to chance, more than what uainsider says
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 04, 2014, 01:57:53 PM
Wow, I can't believe they're allowing O/D changes as long as same region.

That's very surprising.

So all it'll cost me is a change fee, and I'd be able to fly FRA-NYC on the 744 again and skip FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC on the (not-as-good-IMHO) A340.

Now, it's making that EY mistake fare even harder to keep. Ugh. Especially because it's 9W operated, as of now.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 04, 2014, 02:01:54 PM
Wow, I can't believe they're allowing O/D changes as long as same region.

That's very surprising.

So all it'll cost me is a change fee, and I'd be able to fly FRA-NYC on the 744 again and skip FRA-MUC-YYZ-NYC on the (not-as-good-IMHO) A340.

Now, it's making that EY mistake fare even harder to keep. Ugh. Especially because it's 9W operated, as of now.
I'll believe it when I see it
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on February 12, 2014, 10:46:39 PM
When can we expect TR?
Bump
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 22, 2014, 04:29:41 PM
Im happy hes spending christmas wit us :)

Say what, traitor?! ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 30, 2014, 05:59:48 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/3b732c372e01063b3465e71aa235b751.png)

Which would you choose?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on March 30, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/3b732c372e01063b3465e71aa235b751.png)

Which would you choose?
Are the ~9,000 points worth the extra stop and time for you an DW?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 30, 2014, 06:12:33 PM
Are the ~9,000 points worth the extra stop and time for you an DW?

For 5K, I'd def take one stop.

But at almost 10K, i'm waffling.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on March 30, 2014, 06:40:16 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/3b732c372e01063b3465e71aa235b751.png)

Which would you choose?

Depends how much you wanna see your favorite baby nephew ;-) taught him how to say Uncle AJK  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 30, 2014, 06:41:37 PM
Depends how much you wanna see your favorite baby nephew ;-) taught him how to say Uncle AJK  ;)

That's less impressive than if he could perform a recon call on his own :P

But the fact that you've convinced him I'm his uncle is a feat, indeed :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on March 30, 2014, 06:43:26 PM
That's less impressive than if he could perform a recon call on his own :P

But the fact that you've convinced him I'm his uncle is a feat, indeed :)

Taught him how to 3BM...he's becoming a pro  8) As long as I tell him Elmo is on the next screen and he's jamming to Yaalili...he's good to go.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2014, 09:55:55 PM
Looking at booking:

LAX-PPT(stop)-AKL // AKL-SYD/MEL/BNE-LAX all in business using 160K DL/pax.

I've already found availability on TN.

Problem is, I'd like to fly the SYD/MEL/BNE-LAX flight on VA metal, but there is only DL metal.

1. Should I book if I can only fly that leg on DL metal? Anyone flown that route and know anything of the hard/soft product?
2. Should I book if I can only fly VA  after paying $150/pax change fee, assuming it opens?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 02, 2014, 10:14:25 PM
DL>VA
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on April 02, 2014, 10:16:20 PM
DL>VA

Agree but not by much. For a first timer headed to that part of the world VA can be cool
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2014, 10:22:54 PM
DL>VA

Good to know, indeed. Thanks.

Agree but not by much. For a first timer headed to that part of the world VA can be cool

You're saying the colored lights, and twinkly star ceiling? I'm assuming by DL>VA, aside from being all-aisle access, the seats looks a bit more comfy, too.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on April 02, 2014, 10:28:21 PM
Good to know, indeed. Thanks.

You're saying the colored lights, and twinkly star ceiling? I'm assuming by DL>VA, aside from being all-aisle access, the seats looks a bit more comfy, too.

VA much better service and the seats are much more conducive for a couple.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 02, 2014, 10:30:28 PM
Agree but not by much. For a first timer headed to that part of the world VA can be cool
Right, but DL is available now.

Check out the San Fran thread please buddy...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2014, 10:34:37 PM
VA much better service and the seats are much more conducive for a couple.

Yeah, unfortunately, the DL seats are herringbone vs. reverse herringbone, but it looks like the newer 772s have a cutout between the seats, so I guess we'll survive.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 03, 2014, 01:29:16 PM
Annoying how AS's EK Z availability does not match up with EF.

 >:(
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on April 03, 2014, 02:51:16 PM
Annoying how AS's EK Z availability does not match up with EF.

 >:(
Are you trying to book something with a connection?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 03, 2014, 02:55:38 PM
Happens to be yes, but I've searched segment by segment and still is showing phantom space AND non-synced space.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on April 03, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
Happens to be yes, but I've searched segment by segment and still is showing phantom space AND non-synced space.
Segment by segment wont work, as you cant search EK flights on AS if not ex-NA.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 03, 2014, 03:07:08 PM
I know. I just mean to say I originally searched JFK(-DXB)-SIN, but when I found phantom, I searched just JFK-DXB and got the same error.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 08, 2014, 09:40:17 AM
I hate this game >:(
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on April 08, 2014, 09:48:35 AM
I hate this game >:(
LOL, I know what you mean.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 08, 2014, 10:06:11 AM
No advance notice is criminal. Charging more for awards that were already booked? Warrants death penalty.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on April 08, 2014, 10:22:20 AM
No advance notice is criminal. Charging more for awards that were already booked? Warrants death penalty.
Thats a huge chutzpa!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 08, 2014, 10:24:00 AM
No advance notice is criminal. Charging more for awards that were already booked? Warrants death penalty.
@yehuda seems to still have his RTW ticket which he ticketed Sunday. Seems like he just made it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 08, 2014, 10:34:45 AM
@yehuda seems to still have his RTW ticket which he ticketed Sunday. Seems like he just made it.

No surprise there. I'm talking about those who already have free one ways. Changing them,  even a mere date change,  requires reprice.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 06:46:09 PM
Anyone ever been to PER?

What to do there?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on May 05, 2014, 07:17:38 PM
Anyone ever been to PER?

What to do there?

Yup, spent several months there.

Gorgeous beaches and not much else though driving up the West Coast of Australia is unbelievable if you have the time

There is a small kosher cafe and a very friendly Jewish community. PM me if you need more info

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 07:22:42 PM
Yup, spent several months there.

Gorgeous beaches and not much else though driving up the West Coast of Australia is unbelievable if you have the time

There is a small kosher cafe and a very friendly Jewish community. PM me if you need more info

Thanks for the info.

How many days would you say is sufficient to "see what I need to see?"
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on May 05, 2014, 07:54:00 PM
Thanks for the info.

How many days would you say is sufficient to "see what I need to see?"

There's really not much to see

Think San Diego with nicer beaches and no amusement parks

If you have a week or so and want to do the coast the options are limitless

If you have even more time you can join the search for MH370
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on May 05, 2014, 08:02:36 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/02/travel/catching-perths-wave-in-western-australia.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 08:08:40 PM
There's really not much to see

Think San Diego with nicer beaches and no amusement parks

If you have a week or so and want to do the coast the options are limitless

If you have even more time you can join the search for MH370

alol.

Was looking to spend about a week there, and then head back to MLE for a bit.

Too much time in PER?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on May 05, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
alol.

Was looking to spend about a week there, and then head back to MLE for a bit.

Too much time in PER?

Yeah.

Why not go to Bali/Java?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 08:30:59 PM
I actually have plans to have visited DPS by this point.

I have a routing to PER. Do I continue on after 3-4 days to do SYD/MEL and return from there instead of going to MLE?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 08:41:34 PM
On second thought, am I crazy to do Perth for 3-5 days, and then do DXB/AUH for about 5 days?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 09:42:58 PM
US computers are down for "an update to the systems."

Writing on the wall.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 11:01:46 PM
US computers are down for "an update to the systems."

Writing on the wall.

May have spoken to soon.

Seems DL and UA's computer systems are down as well.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on May 05, 2014, 11:14:46 PM
Let him rest up, he's jetlagged :P
TR for Africa?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 05, 2014, 11:15:58 PM
It's gonna be awhile before I get to it, unfortunately.  :'(

But, I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on May 06, 2014, 08:00:09 AM
On second thought, am I crazy to do Perth for 3-5 days, and then do DXB/AUH for about 5 days?

Really no reason to go to PER
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 06, 2014, 12:36:59 PM
Really no reason to go to PER

Well, I couldn't find any (non-Y) availability from PER/MEL/SYD, so I had to scratch those plans. I'll try to fly SQ R down under instead.

Now have the below on hold. BA F, QF F, CX J and returning exactly the same way I come.

Anyone think I should change the return to CX F?

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-lhr-dxb-hkg&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 06, 2014, 02:59:42 PM
Well, I couldn't find any (non-Y) availability from PER/MEL/SYD, so I had to scratch those plans. I'll try to fly SQ R down under instead.

Now have the below on hold. BA F, QF F, CX J and returning exactly the same way I come.

Anyone think I should change the return to CX F?

I would. I like to get as much variety on one trip as I can. :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 06, 2014, 03:03:10 PM
I would. I like to get as much variety on one trip as I can. :P

Normally, I'm like that myself, but in this instance, the prompting of the award was to fly BA F sans YQ.

Does it make sense to pass up on another BA F + QF F segment in favor of a CX award which I can presumably get "anytime?"
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on May 06, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
Normally, I'm like that myself, but in this instance, the prompting of the award was to fly BA F sans YQ.

Does it make sense to pass up on another BA F + QF F segment in favor of a CX award which I can presumably get "anytime?"

Yes. BA F is really average
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 06, 2014, 04:19:26 PM
Yes. BA F is really average

Turns out it's no longer available...

Well, not such a big deal. I've flown CX F before, and I'll be able to grab a CX F flight in the future, Gd willing.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on May 06, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
Turns out it's no longer available...

Well, not such a big deal. I've flown CX F before, and I'll be able to grab a CX F flight in the future, Gd willing.
NYC-YVR, not the "full" experience if i recall :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 06, 2014, 04:28:37 PM
NYC-YVR, not the "full" experience if i recall :)

You recall correctly.

But, 1) I don't really have an option to switch to CX F any longer, and 2) BA F, even if average (and it does certainly LOOK so), I won't get it again for this price, assuming it IS a glitch (which it seems it is).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 07, 2014, 03:04:45 AM
Turns out it's no longer available...

Well, not such a big deal. I've flown CX F before, and I'll be able to grab a CX F flight in the future, Gd willing.

CXs strong point is in ultra long flights, sleep there is really good. Other than that LH/EK are better.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 07, 2014, 09:34:40 PM
Well, as the "glitch" began to close, I pulled the trigger on the above routing. $198 in taxes.

If I can find SQ R to SYD/MEL, I'll probably do that. If not, I'll just hang out in SE Asia, possibly LGK/HKT/Boracay and/or Krabi/Emerald cave (really wanna see it).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 08, 2014, 04:36:13 AM
Not including the two segments in CX J:

(http://i.gyazo.com/1746665d980b6001a4e829c2f8665fa4.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 11, 2014, 02:02:32 PM
TG F + OZ F (A388) + OZ F (A388) on old UA award of 70K and no YQ.

v.

SQ R + SQ R for 93.5K SQ and $1000 YQ.

Decisions, decisions...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 11, 2014, 02:21:25 PM
Option 1
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 11, 2014, 04:31:47 PM
Option 1

Was leaning that way myself.

I don't see SQ devaluing that dramatically (if at all) in the next year, and these UA awards are going the way of the dodo.

Problem is... should one ever turn down flying SQ R, no matter the alternative? :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 11, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Was leaning that way myself.

I don't see SQ devaluing that dramatically (if at all) in the next year, and these UA awards are going the way of the dodo.
Exactly

Quote
Problem is... should one ever turn down flying SQ R, no matter the alternative? :P
Not in my eyes, but feel free to make your own decisions
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: smart brit on July 11, 2014, 06:34:13 PM
TG F + OZ F (A388) + OZ F (A388) on old UA award of 70K and no YQ.

v.

SQ R + SQ R for 93.5K SQ and $1000 YQ.

Decisions, decisions...

option 2


Problem is... should one ever turn down flying SQ R, no matter the alternative? :P
exactly I would rather fly with Sq R as I don't think TG and OZ come close
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 13, 2014, 10:57:15 PM
Yeah, perhaps they don't... but if one is about maximizing "bang for buck" the smart money is on TG/OZ with an old UA chart award. Pretty sure that's what I'll do.

In any event, I arrive in SIN ~3PM on Thurs.

Is leaving Monday mid-day enough time? Too much time?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 14, 2014, 01:08:19 PM
option 2  exactly I would rather fly with Sq R as I don't think TG and OZ come close
You'd spend $2K + 45K points for the difference?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 14, 2014, 01:25:36 PM
I believe it was ~$1000 for 2 pax.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on July 14, 2014, 01:27:15 PM
I believe it was ~$1000 for 2 pax.
Why would you write 93.5K which per pax and $1K which is for the reservation?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 14, 2014, 01:27:50 PM
 :-[
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 14, 2014, 02:11:48 PM
option 2  exactly I would rather fly with Sq R as I don't think TG and OZ come close
Have you been on either?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: smart brit on July 14, 2014, 02:53:56 PM
Have you been on either?
I Have been on SQ R
And I can't believe there is anything that comes close
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on July 14, 2014, 04:13:08 PM
And I can't believe there is anything that comes close
Definitely not for couples.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 23, 2014, 04:28:12 PM
25,001 mi.

EK F (A380 x 2); JL F (SkySuite); OZ F (A380); UA J (PS). b"eH.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-dxb-sin-dps-cgk-nrt-icn-lax-jfk&MS=wls&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 23, 2014, 04:30:52 PM
The only thing I may change is the JL F segment for a GA F segment.

That would (i) cut out a segment, (ii) make it much more expensive (looks like 90K GA one-way as opposed to just 40K AA for JL F), (iii) add doors (!!), (iv) make it much harder to pull off. I mean, look at this:

(http://i.gyazo.com/bf855ed95bad78a770a5fe76814ca7b7.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on July 23, 2014, 07:23:36 PM
You have a GA ticketing office near you?
That whole process just sounds like a world of pain.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 23, 2014, 07:25:06 PM
You have a GA ticketing office near you?
That whole process just sounds like a world of pain.

Doesn't it?

Looks like they have one in ORD and LAX, but not NYC:

https://www.garuda-indonesia.com/id/en/contact/index.page?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2014, 08:48:21 PM
Doesn't it?

Looks like they have one in ORD and LAX, but not NYC:

https://www.garuda-indonesia.com/id/en/contact/index.page?
Milt's/Shallot's or Ditmas/Tierra Sur.
Gee that just sounds terrible ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 23, 2014, 08:50:19 PM
Ha. Food could certainly mitigate it somewhat, but boy do I like being able to find, book, and issue $25,000 tickets in my PJs.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2014, 08:55:37 PM
Meh. Any excuse to travel to LAX or ORD is good enough for me.  Even if it's to book more travel :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 23, 2014, 09:26:40 PM
I am what they call moderately questionable.

You are what they call certifiable.

 ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2014, 09:46:01 PM
Was wondering what was with all the padding in the SLS Suite.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2014, 12:44:39 PM
If anyone wants to join me in JL F (historically hard to find space), SFO-HND is now wide open due equipment change.

HT: Lucky
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 24, 2014, 12:45:55 PM
If anyone wants to join me in JL F (historically hard to find space), SFO-HND is now wide open due equipment change.

HT: Lucky
So you are changing your flights around?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2014, 12:46:58 PM
Nah, I'm already in JL F. But for others, this is a great find, especially if you can pair it with a JFK-SFO A321T leg in F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 24, 2014, 12:49:12 PM
Nah, I'm already in JL F. But for others, this is a great find, especially if you can pair it with a JFK-SFO A321T leg in F.
If only i had time to go, or could plan for 6+ months away. Though changes with AA is pretty good... Decisions...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on July 24, 2014, 12:50:54 PM
If only they've opened more than 2 seats.  :(
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 24, 2014, 12:52:18 PM
If only they've opened more than 2 seats.  :(
Seems like there are plenty open.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on July 24, 2014, 12:54:06 PM
Seems like there are plenty open.
Only 2 seats per flight though. I need at least 3, pref 4.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 24, 2014, 12:58:49 PM
Only 2 seats per flight though. I need at least 3, pref 4.
Ahhh. I read your post wrong.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 24, 2014, 01:25:16 PM
CX options from HND or NRT?

Working on JFK-LAX (on the A321)-Overnight-LAX-SFO(US Air)-SFO-HND(JAL F).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 24, 2014, 01:48:48 PM
CX options would solely be to HKG from those airports.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 24, 2014, 01:50:32 PM
CX options would solely be to HKG from those airports.
Found that out.

As advised, i am going to take JAL direct back to NY from NRT.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 07, 2014, 11:37:47 AM

How screwed am I?






(http://i.gyazo.com/03347270653edd362d1bd9d93c431166.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 07, 2014, 11:39:32 AM
a million. Can't leave the night before and spend the day in London?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 07, 2014, 11:43:26 AM
I guess I could consider it IF they had BA F available the night before... which they don't.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2014, 11:45:36 AM
That kind of change and they won't force open space on an alternate?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 07, 2014, 11:54:49 AM
Isn't there a later QF? Just make sure there are seats left and they'll rebook at airport. You'll probably get BA special services and make the connection anyway.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 07, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
That kind of change and they won't force open space on an alternate?

US to force open a BA F flight on account of a BA change?

It's more likely they'd simply offer to open up space on a US flight. No thanks.

Isn't there a later QF? Just make sure there are seats left and they'll rebook at airport. You'll probably get BA special services and make the connection anyway.

No later QF.

You think I can just leave it as is?

Or should I be trying to change the outbound to JL or CX F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 07, 2014, 12:01:12 PM
Dunno, depends how much you mind spending a day in London on the way
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 07, 2014, 12:04:41 PM
Dunno, depends how much you mind spending a day in London on the way

If I didn't mind (AND I didn't have a connection in DXB, which I do), they'd just put me on the next QF flight?

(Technically, the next QF flight is on EK metal the next day at 9 AM, but the next actual QF flight is 12:35 PM the next day, and that 12+ hour difference would cause me to miss my DXB connection.)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 07, 2014, 12:13:35 PM
I guess I'd consider taking the new F on AAs new 77W.

Think they'd force open space?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 07, 2014, 12:21:18 PM
I guess I'd consider taking the new F on AAs new 77W.

Think they'd force open space?
Yes
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 07, 2014, 12:28:22 PM
Hmmm...

(i) Try and force open AA 77W;
(ii) Try and simply fly the other way using CX/JL F; or
(iii) Just go for it and hope BA special services can save the day in a terminal known for being an absolute disaster.

The options above get increasingly more attractive to me as I go down the list  ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2014, 12:42:34 PM
A good US rep can get a OneWorld liaison on the phone to get BA to open space due to a change like that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 07, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
A good US rep
sounds like an oxymoron
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 08, 2014, 08:58:33 AM
And.....?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 08, 2014, 09:06:32 AM
Still haven't decided. Even tho I am sure that flight is blocked for longer than the actual flight time, most people I ask say an hour connection at LHR ain't gonna happen. And I'm not familiar enough with whatever BA special services is to know if they can make it happen.

Also, doesn't seem like US has any real incentive to open another BA or AA (neither of which have availability ATM).

Perhaps I'll wait to close in and either do CX F JFK-HKG or a combination JFK-LAX-HKG on AA F and CX F.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 08, 2014, 09:28:30 AM
Still haven't decided. Even tho I am sure that flight is blocked for longer than the actual flight time, most people I ask say an hour connection at LHR ain't gonna happen. And I'm not familiar enough with whatever BA special services is to know if they can make it happen.

Also, doesn't seem like US has any real incentive to open another BA or AA (neither of which have availability ATM).

Perhaps I'll wait to close in and either do CX F JFK-HKG or a combination JFK-LAX-HKG on AA F and CX F.
FWIW I had only and hour in FRA and they met me and 9 others making  the connection at the plane and drove us right to our gate with priority customs.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 08, 2014, 09:31:37 AM
Sounds like it's theoretically possible, but the question is, if I don't make the connection, would they rebook me in LHR on the next QF flight the following morning?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Side incomer on August 08, 2014, 11:30:36 AM
Sounds like it's theoretically possible, but the question is, if I don't make the connection, would they rebook me in LHR on the next QF flight the following morning?
They will re-book you at the airport. No question about it.

You chances of US getting another carrier to open space is close to 0. Unless you have a few extra days, and you're ready to spend 30-40 hours on the phone.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2014, 11:31:42 AM
They will re-book you at the airport. No question about it.
If there's space...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Side incomer on August 08, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
If there's space...
Qantas F doesn't sell out 98% of the time (due to the lack of discounted booking methods / award - upgrade space), especially on that route.
They do upgrade people last minute, but 24 hours prior, your chances are really good.

If QF F wouldn't be available. BA would likely put you on their own metal. They might even do that here in NY to avoid potential problems.

In any event, don't waste your time now with changes. Just arrive to the airport as an innocent passenger.

My 2C
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 08, 2014, 11:37:35 AM
They will re-book you at the airport. No question about it.

You chances of US getting another carrier to open space is close to 0. Unless you have a few extra days, and you're ready to spend 30-40 hours on the phone.

LOL

Well, if I do miss my connection, and if they do rebook me upon arrival in LHR, would it only be on the very next QF-operated flight, which is the next day at 12:35 PM? If so, I'd miss my 5:55 PM DXB-HKG flight... then what?

Any chance they'd book me on the EK-operated QF flight at 9:10 AM?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 08, 2014, 11:41:52 AM
Qantas F doesn't sell out 98% of the time (due to the lack of discounted booking methods / award - upgrade space), especially on that route.
They do upgrade people last minute, but 24 hours prior, your chances are really good.

If QF F wouldn't be available. BA would likely put you on their own metal. They might even do that here in NY to avoid potential problems.

In any event, don't waste your time now with changes. Just arrive to the airport as an innocent passenger.

My 2C

24 hours prior to departure JFK-LHR my chances are good for what? For them to rebook me on the next QF flight? In NY?

Also, I definitely don't want to be switched from QF F to BA F, if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 03:29:41 PM
May have to skip MLE in light of the SQ R AKL bonanza, which I just booked.

Now, just need to change first leg of trip to CX F, and I'll be doing:

JFK-HKG-SYD in CX F and J
AKL-SIN-DXB-LHR-JFK in SQ R, SQ F, QF F, and BA F.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-hkg-syd-akl-sin-dxb-lhr-jfk&MS=wls&MC=KUL&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 11, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
how long you spending in each location
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 03:39:33 PM
how long you spending in each location

Bulk of trip will be in SYD/AKL -- 10 days.

I have a long-ish layover in SIN and DXB on the way back.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 03:41:19 PM
Bulk of trip will be in SYD/AKL -- 10 days.
10 days for both SYD and AKL?
How will that be close to enough?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 03:43:54 PM
10 days for both SYD and AKL?
How will that be close to enough?

It won't. But I can't act like I have no responsibilities forever.

Seeing SYD/AKL for 10 days is better than not seeing it at all.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 03:45:43 PM
It won't. But I can't act like I have no responsibilities forever.

Seeing SYD/AKL for 10 days is better than not seeing it at all.
Personally I'd rather spend 10 days in AU or NZ and "accomplish" one rather than doing a shoddy job at both.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 03:52:10 PM
Personally I'd rather spend 10 days in AU or NZ and "accomplish" one rather than doing a shoddy job at both.

I could be convinced of that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 03:55:28 PM
I just don't see how 5 days in either place could possibly do any justice.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 11, 2014, 03:56:16 PM
I just don't see how 5 days in either place could possibly do any justice.
Can be a start and the next time he goes he can finish it off in another 5 days.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 03:57:05 PM
The counter argument is how can you go to that part of the world and NOT see both.

The likelihood of returning is very low, at least in my case.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 04:00:01 PM
Can be a start and the next time he goes he can finish it off in another 5 days.
So you're going to start with 1 day in SYD, 1 day in MEL, 1 day in CNS, and 2 travel days and accomplish what exactly?

The counter argument is how can you go to that part of the world and NOT see both.

The likelihood of returning is very low, at least in my case.
Well I did just that ;)
I don't think I'll make it to NZ anytime soon, but I'm sure one day my kids will love it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 04:03:04 PM
No no, when I say 10 days, I mean 10 days on the ground, already accounting for travel days.

Also, I'm not sure I'd miss CNS, especially if that means not doing NZ.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: sky121 on August 11, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
It's hard when travelling, especially to that side of the world where you probably won't make it back that quickly.  On the other hand, are you just trying to check it off your list? Or really see the place? I'd feel silly going all the way to Australia also and not hopping over to NZ.  But at the end of the day you kind of hope you're the kind of traveler who is actually going to experience the place and not just going to check it off some list.

  Plus, it will give you something to look forward to next time you DO make it over there again.   ;)

Personally I'd actually be tempted to go straight to NZ and save Australia. For some reason I feel like there's more of a chance I'd get back there than to NZ.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 04:05:53 PM
I mean 10 days on the ground, already accounting for travel days.
I'm talking intra-Australia travel days.

And I'm ignoring Tassie/Kangaroo Island/Ayers Rock/Sunshine coast, etc.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 04:06:04 PM
It's hard when travelling, especially to that side of the world where you probably won't make it back that quickly.  On the other hand, are you just trying to check it off your list? Or really see the place? I'd feel silly going all the way to Australia also and not hopping over to NZ.  But at the end of the day you kind of hope you're the kind of traveler who is actually going to experience the place and not just going to check it off some list.

  Plus, it will give you something to look forward to next time you DO make it over there again.   ;)

To *really* see NZ, the guide books say three weeks on the LOW end.

If that's what it takes to see NZ, I'm afraid I better just begin taking out guidebooks on... Toronto :)

Sure, both AU/NZ are on my (bucket) "list," but given real life, I just don't think I'll be able to experience the place as well as I might want.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 04:08:54 PM
I'm talking intra-Australia travel days.

And I'm ignoring Tassie/Kangaroo Island/Ayers Rock/Sunshine coast, etc.

I'd have to simply pick one city, perhaps 2, and be content with that. As is your point, I'd have to make sacrifices.

Heck, people would laugh at trying to do AU alone in ten days.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 04:09:29 PM
Personally I'd actually be tempted to go straight to NZ and save Australia. For some reason I feel like there's more of a chance I'd get back there than to NZ.

I may just do that; for some reason I feel the same way.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 11, 2014, 04:12:17 PM
I'd have to simply pick one city, perhaps 2, and be content with that. As is your point, I'd have to make sacrifices.

Heck, people would laugh at trying to do AU alone in ten days.
I was in AU for a full 14 days (not including travel days) and didn't get to see nearly all of it. I'd say I just scratched the surface. I'm for just going to NZ and saving AU for another time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 04:13:34 PM
I'm for just going to NZ and saving AU for another time.
True.
I'm guilty of doing AU back then because I had FFNs to burn.

Boy do I miss those days.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
If they ever come back, and they may not, it'll only be if 2007 comes back.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 04:30:56 PM
If they ever come back, and they may not, it'll only be if 2007 comes back.
FFNs were around at least annually from 2002-2010.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 11, 2014, 04:34:57 PM
FFNs were around at least annually from 2002-2010.

"2007" shouldn't be taken literally -- I'm just referring to when the US was in the great recesssion, which actually started back well before 2007.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 11, 2014, 06:50:05 PM
Yeah but most of must of us were too young to have a bank acct or cc then.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 07:00:35 PM
Yeah but most of must of us were too young to have a bank acct or cc then.
Eh, I think the majority of people on DDF are 22+
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 11, 2014, 07:11:16 PM
Eh, I think the majority of people on DDF are 22+
Maybe in kamus  ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2014, 07:12:22 PM
Touchť
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 18, 2014, 11:07:11 AM
I want to everyone to know I'm normal.

That said, I did have a nightmare last night that EK switched our A380 flights to 777s.

 :o :o
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on August 18, 2014, 11:18:58 AM
I want to everyone to know I'm normal.

That said, I did have a nightmare last night that EK switched our A380 flights to 777s.

 :o :o
ALOL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 18, 2014, 03:17:07 PM
Cost of a one-way chauffeur from NJ to JFK courtesy of EK, though I'm sure their negotiated rate is lower:

(http://i.gyazo.com/951d1b74427bc0456d9f27d5882e3293.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on August 18, 2014, 03:35:03 PM
Cost of a one-way chauffeur from NJ to JFK courtesy of EK, though I'm sure their negotiated rate is lower:

(http://i.gyazo.com/951d1b74427bc0456d9f27d5882e3293.png)

Take the train to GC and have them pick u up from there
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 18, 2014, 03:37:05 PM
Take the train to GC and have them pick u up from there

No, no, this is complementary.

Was just curious how much it would cost.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 18, 2014, 09:48:15 PM
What's the likelihood that the EK F lounge will allow me to store my soft cooler of food in their freezer while I tour their grand ol' city?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 18, 2014, 10:05:20 PM
What's the likelihood that the EK F lounge will allow me to store my soft cooler of food in their freezer while I tour their grand ol' city?
Depends how good of a lawyer your are, so I'd say they'll definitely do it
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 18, 2014, 10:24:03 PM
Depends how good of a lawyer your are, so I'd say they'll definitely do it

Thanks  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on August 19, 2014, 01:22:42 AM
I want to everyone to know I'm normal.

That said, I did have a nightmare last night that EK switched our A380 flights to 777s.

 :o :o

ALOL

+1,000,000 ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 20, 2014, 01:59:04 AM
The whole shower thing? Yeah, not overrated.

Never felt more refreshed after traveling 7000 miles.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on August 20, 2014, 04:48:35 AM
The whole shower thing? Yeah, not overrated.

Never felt more refreshed after traveling 7000 miles.
Sure it was the 5 minutes in hot water and not the luxury of the cabin and service?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 20, 2014, 04:49:35 AM
Without a doubt.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 20, 2014, 08:39:47 AM
The whole shower thing? Yeah, not overrated.

Never felt more refreshed after traveling 7000 miles.
Glad to hear that.

Already waiting for a TR :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: smurf on August 20, 2014, 09:46:30 AM
The whole shower thing? Yeah, not overrated.

Never felt more refreshed after traveling 7000 miles.
we were all expecting an ice bucket  video from that shower
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 20, 2014, 07:08:35 PM
Two things:

Dubai and Abu Dhabi are amazing cities.  Really regretting not staying here for 3 or so days.

From the lounges I've experienced thus far, EK F lounge is disappointing; a distant fourth behind FCT, and TG BKK, and EY AUH.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 31, 2014, 10:55:12 AM
JL F, while not as roomy, is definitely prettier than CX F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 31, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
JL F, while not as roomy, is definitely prettier than CX F.
Which route did you fly this?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 31, 2014, 01:43:31 PM
JL F, while not as roomy, is definitely prettier than CX F.
While pretty/easy on the eyes may be useful feature when picking a spouse, in an airline seat though I'll pick roomy and comfortable every time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 31, 2014, 06:47:25 PM
Which route did you fly this?

CGK-NRT

While pretty/easy on the eyes may be useful feature when picking a spouse, in an airline seat though I'll pick roomy and comfortable every time.

JL, at 1-2-1, will never have the spaciousness that CX does,  at 1-1-1,  but it's pretty, which does count for something.

That's why you should strive for beauty and braun!

Wouldn't hesitate to fly them again, though.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 01, 2014, 01:10:35 AM
OZ F lounge. Never saw a toilet with so many buttons.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 01, 2014, 09:50:40 AM
OZ F lounge. Never saw a toilet with so many buttons.
Did you check out the Green Tea Haagen Dazs?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 01, 2014, 01:25:35 PM
Saw it, yeah. Didn't partake.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 02, 2014, 06:40:38 PM
USA-Asia in F = 70k AS
USA-Asia-Africa in F with a stopover in Asia = 70K AS.

Crazy sick deal.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on September 02, 2014, 09:06:18 PM
I don't think CX flies F to JNB.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 02, 2014, 09:36:06 PM
I don't think CX flies F to JNB.

They don't. Not currently anyway.

But you get 13.5 hours in CX J and a stopover for the same price as just F to HKG.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on September 02, 2014, 09:38:50 PM
They don't. Not currently anyway.

But you get 13.5 hours in CX J and a stopover for the same price as just F to HKG.
Yep. Still a screaming good deal.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2014, 09:41:37 PM
Was better when it was F the whole way.
Why the post now?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2014, 09:45:46 PM
Actually looks like there's still F until 10/25.
DO?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 02, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
Actually looks like there's still F until 10/25.
DO?

There isn't.

Retirement of long-haul 747 was moved up, and the last route was JNB to HKG on 8/31-9/1.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 02, 2014, 09:56:57 PM
I'm at the ballgame, was trusting ITA for F fares.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 02, 2014, 10:03:12 PM
I'm at the ballgame, was trusting ITA for F fares.

Interesting.

Kayak can't pull it up, nor does CX.com.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 05, 2014, 04:55:48 PM
Crazy good JL F availability NRT<-->SYD after December 1.

4 seats per cabin out of 8.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 06, 2014, 11:24:27 PM
Crazy good JL F availability NRT<-->SYD after December 1.

4 seats per cabin out of 8.
Maybe i should skip Japan and continue on to SYD...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 06, 2014, 11:27:17 PM
Our winter is their summer after all...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 06, 2014, 11:28:55 PM
Our winter is their summer after all...
Would take some work convincing the wife. Not sure she would be up for that "extra leg" after JFK-LAX-SFO-HND.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 06, 2014, 11:30:27 PM
Well, unless you're flying economy, flying VA, or managed to premium cabin space on QF, you're flying via Asia.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 06, 2014, 11:47:26 PM
Would take some work convincing the wife. Not sure she would be up for that "extra leg" after JFK-LAX-SFO-HND.
Also the HND-NRT transfer is long and not scenic. I did it before and would rather have avoided it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 06, 2014, 11:49:36 PM
Yeah, not terrible easy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on September 08, 2014, 11:51:52 AM
do you have a summary of what points or miles you used for each flight and if you booked via the airline or a partner ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 08, 2014, 11:53:25 AM
To the penny :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 08, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
To the penny :)
Care to share? Pretty please? ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 08, 2014, 01:11:26 PM
I'm not going to post the entire spreadsheet, but if you have a question about a specific redemption, I'm happy to explain.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on September 08, 2014, 02:55:41 PM
Care to share? Pretty please? ;)

your def missing out. AJK is the master at the spreadsheets, and there definitely awesome.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 08, 2014, 02:56:45 PM

your def missing out. AJK is the master at the spreadsheets, and there definitely awesome.
Are you offering to lobby him to release them?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on September 08, 2014, 02:59:50 PM
Are you offering to lobby him to release them?
Def. There works of art.

ajk post it :) please
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 08, 2014, 06:46:36 PM
I want to everyone to know I'm normal.

That said, I did have a nightmare last night that EK switched our A380 flights to 777s.

 :o :o
LOL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on September 08, 2014, 06:48:00 PM
LOL
You're Hungarian, aren't you?!
:P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 08, 2014, 10:27:26 PM
:P
Sir, you better stop tailgating me.

Yes, I do have 3 pages of unread replies. So what? I'm just trying to catch up.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 08, 2014, 10:37:02 PM
OZ F lounge. Never saw a toilet with so many buttons.

You're five months late to the party... :P

OZ F lounge, ICN.

The toilet here has more buttons than a fighter jet cockpit. :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 08, 2014, 10:39:48 PM
You're five months late to the party... :P
@Joe4007
And now you are trying to say Batchy is also Hungarian? Huh?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 08, 2014, 10:46:42 PM
@Joe4007
And now you are trying to say Batchy is also Hungarian? Huh?

Duh. I am Hungarian (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=8684.msg294641#msg294641), you moron...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 08, 2014, 10:51:45 PM
Duh. I am Hungarian (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=8684.msg294641#msg294641), you moron...
Oiy, you just didn't chap the joke.
That was the joke here.

It feels so stupid to have to explain a joke.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on September 08, 2014, 10:52:40 PM
Oiy, you just didn't chap the joke.
That was the joke here.

It feels so stupid to have to explain a joke.

No... apparently you didn't get my joke. >:D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on September 08, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
:P
:D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 09, 2014, 08:34:00 PM
I'm lost.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on September 14, 2014, 07:56:58 PM
hopefully this doesn't cross the line but here goes.... how did you book EK F? using what points ? how many points ? and how long did it take to rack up the points ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 14, 2014, 07:57:50 PM
hopefully this doesn't cross the line but here goes.... how did you book EK F? using what points ? how many points ? and how long did it take to rack up the points ?

AS.

90K/100K one way.

Not long :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 14, 2014, 08:37:43 PM
AS.

90K/100K one way.

Not long :P
What does that depend on?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 14, 2014, 08:38:24 PM
If destination of DXB or not.

If so, 90K, if not, 100K.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 14, 2014, 08:50:09 PM
If destination of DXB or not.

If so, 90K, if not, 100K.
I plan on flying EK and EY each OW to and from the UAE, what would you recommend I use in what direction in terms of lounges and the likes?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 14, 2014, 08:53:01 PM
Both offer chauffeur, as well as spa treatments, so no difference there.

EY does not charge for cubans, EK does. EK's lounge is tremendous and you board directly from the lounge. EY's lounge bathrooms make EK's look like public restrooms.

All in all, I enjoyed EY's more, though I know many disagree with me.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 14, 2014, 09:17:15 PM
Both offer chauffeur, as well as spa treatments, so no difference there.

EY does not charge for cubans, EK does. EK's lounge is tremendous and you board directly from the lounge. EY's lounge bathrooms make EK's look like public restrooms.

All in all, I enjoyed EY's more, though I know many disagree with me.
What lounges do they use in NY? Do the use partner's lounges or do they have their own?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 14, 2014, 09:19:22 PM
I plan on flying EK and EY each OW to and from the UAE, what would you recommend I use in what direction in terms of lounges and the likes?
Still can't make up your mind?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on September 14, 2014, 09:49:05 PM
AS.

90K/100K one way.

Not long :P
thats it, just 100k Avios ? unbelievable !!
can you get EK F or EY F from Europe back to the US , EWR or JFK ?
does it have to be DXB or UAE ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on September 14, 2014, 09:50:37 PM
AS is Alaskan miles, much harder to come by than Avios
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 14, 2014, 09:51:20 PM
thats it, just 100k Avios ? unbelievable !!
can you get EK F or EY F from Europe back to the US , EWR or JFK ?
does it have to be DXB or UAE ?
Alaska my friend.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on September 14, 2014, 10:04:22 PM
What lounges do they use in NY? Do the use partner's lounges or do they have their own?

Seems like EK has their own, and EY uses a contract lounge.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 14, 2014, 10:08:49 PM
EK has their own in JFK, which is much nicer than any contract lounge there.

EY uses (or used) the Oasis, which is nothing special.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 14, 2014, 10:13:01 PM
EK has their own in JFK, which is much nicer than any contract lounge there.

EY uses (or used) the Oasis, which is nothing special.
Thanks for all info.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on September 14, 2014, 10:16:15 PM
Alaska my friend.
have i got a lot to learn . Alaska miles bookable on EK ? who would've thunk it.
cant use UR or MR ? i guess it must be worth it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on September 15, 2014, 10:28:59 AM
AS is Alaskan miles, much harder to come by than Avios

so i open up 2 Alaska Credit cards 1 personal, 1 business , twice in 1 year and i have 100K miles. i'm assuming its not that simple....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 15, 2014, 10:33:03 AM
so i open up 2 Alaska Credit cards 1 personal, 1 business , twice in 1 year and i have 100K miles. i'm assuming its not that simple....
Where did you find a 50K link?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 15, 2014, 10:38:57 AM
Where did you find a 50K link?
He wrote "twice in one year. He is referring to the 25k link.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 15, 2014, 10:46:20 AM
so i open up 2 Alaska Credit cards 1 personal, 1 business , twice in 1 year and i have 100K miles. i'm assuming its not that simple....
Bonus is 25k
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 15, 2014, 10:46:52 AM
He wrote "twice in one year. He is referring to the 25k link.
Missed that, thanks.
Thought i missed out on the 50k offer.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 15, 2014, 10:52:10 AM
Missed that, thanks.
Thought i missed out on the 50k offer.
A frightening thought, no? :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 15, 2014, 10:52:23 AM
A frightening thought, no? :)
Extremely.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on September 15, 2014, 12:27:17 PM
so is it that simple ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 15, 2014, 02:07:56 PM
so is it that simple ?
Try and tell.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 15, 2014, 07:49:03 PM
UA lounge in SEA has the fastest internet I've ever used in a public lounge...

(http://i.gyazo.com/82d0f765ded2541d275aae413a583844.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on September 15, 2014, 07:54:54 PM
UA lounge in SEA has the fastest internet I've ever used in a public lounge...

(http://i.gyazo.com/82d0f765ded2541d275aae413a583844.png)
How's the trip??
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on September 15, 2014, 07:57:27 PM
UA lounge in SEA has the fastest internet I've ever used in a public lounge...

(http://i.gyazo.com/82d0f765ded2541d275aae413a583844.png)
Bet it's good for torrents...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 15, 2014, 07:58:46 PM
Ding ding ding.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: avrumy22 on September 15, 2014, 07:59:04 PM
How's the trip??

Aegean Gold here he comes :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 16, 2014, 10:33:37 AM
With into the nights, and the new 100% bonus on IHG, BOB may be in the near future :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 16, 2014, 10:35:44 AM
With into the nights, and the new 100% bonus on IHG, BOB may be in the near future :)
No offense, but does your firm have a 2 weeks paid work policy :D?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on September 16, 2014, 10:54:20 AM
No offense, but does your firm have a 2 weeks paid work policy :D?
more like unlimited
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 16, 2014, 11:30:30 AM
Work hard, play hard  8)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2014, 11:44:32 AM
(http://www.airlinecrew.net/vbulletin/image.php?s=fb727df3ad1a670c74da4cdd6f46a156&u=55139&type=sigpic&dateline=1185434337)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 16, 2014, 03:40:20 PM
No offense, but does your firm have a 2 weeks paid work policy :D?
You really think this man has a job? Impossible
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: avrumy22 on September 16, 2014, 03:59:17 PM
You really think this man has a job? Impossible

I guess the boss can do what he wants  :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 01:17:23 PM
Quote
Qatar Airways will introduce an all-new business class seat in 2016 which the airline says will be comparable to todayís first class.

The seat will not only be ďa substantial revolution over the current business class seatĒ, according to Qatar Airways CEO Akbar Al Baker, but it will be a proprietary design which no other airline can use.

Intwesting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 01:19:26 PM
Intwesting.
It would be more interesting if it wasn't from a compulsive liar :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 01:21:24 PM
It would be more interesting if it wasn't from a compulsive liar :P

Funny little man, he is.

I kind of like him.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: sillypainter on September 17, 2014, 01:23:56 PM
Funny little man, he is.

I kind of like him.

Lucky also has a crush on the guy  :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on September 17, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
Intwesting.
You mean this? http://www.ausbt.com.au/photos-qatar-s-airbus-a380-first-business-class
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 02:12:51 PM
How could it be that?

Quote
Qatar Airways will introduce an all-new business class seat in 2016

That said, even this business class is probably the best in the world, not to mention the prettiest.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 02:20:09 PM
...and the F is a big whiff.

While prettier than EK, it has no doors, no chauffeur, no x-factor (shower a la EK, 32 inch TV a la OZ, etc).

The lounge sure looks nice, though.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 03:00:47 PM
Updated:

My top:

1) EY F on A346
2) LH F on 744 (simply love this product, and service has been remarkable)
3) CX F on 777
4) LH F on A380 (beats TG A380 because cabin is 8 vs. 12, and the cabin was only 4/8, as opposed to 11/12)
5) TG F on A380
6) LH F on A340
7) CX J on 777
8 ) LX J on A333
9) QR J on A333
10 ) EY J on A321
11) QR J on A321

Time for an update.

I realized that I must split between hard and soft to be fair:

Hard Product:
1.    EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH) (true luxury)
2.    LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK) (seat+bed)
3.    EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN) (shower is NOT a gimmick)
4.    CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR) (This may rise after a true long-haul)
5.    OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX) (32 inch IFE is awesome)
6.    LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
7.    LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
8.    TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG)
9.    JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
10.   LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)

Soft Product:
1.   LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.   LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
3.   CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
4.   OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
5.   JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)

The only thing that really surprises me is how far down the hard product list JL F is... the only thing I can say in defense is that pitted against any one of the ones I above it, I'd prefer those.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 03:04:58 PM
Haven't flown SQ R yet?

Can't believe you haven't done CX F long-haul yet.  Silly to judge it based on the YVR flight, not nearly enough time to have a blissful 10 hour sleep on the best bed in the sky.

The LH 747 bed wasn't too hard for you?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 03:07:51 PM
Haven't flown SQ R yet?

Can't believe you haven't done CX F long-haul yet.  Silly to judge it based on the YVR flight, not nearly enough time to have a blissful 10 hour sleep on the best bed in the sky.

The LH 747 bed wasn't too hard for you?

Couple more months, couple more months... JFK-HKG

Couple more months, couple more months... AKL-SIN

Nope. We both loved it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 17, 2014, 03:09:24 PM
Time for an update.

I realized that I must split between hard and soft to be fair:

Hard Product:
1. EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH) (true luxury)
2. LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK) (seat+bed)
3. EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN) (shower is NOT a gimmick)
4. CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR) (This may rise after a true long-haul)
5. OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX) (32 inch IFE is awesome)
6. LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
7. LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
8. TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG)
9. JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
10.LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)

Soft Product:
1.LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
3.CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
4.OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
5.JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)

The only thing that really surprises me is how far down the hard product list JL F is... the only thing I can say in defense is that pitted against any one of the ones I above it, I'd prefer those.
You've got LH  744 F  twice, one listed in hard product and one listed in soft product, you meant 747-800?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 17, 2014, 03:34:47 PM

Nope. We both loved it.
+1

Was more comfortable for sleep than SQ R, IMO.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 03:38:47 PM
You've got LH  744 F  twice, one listed in hard product and one listed in soft product, you meant 747-800?

Not sure what you're confused about...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 17, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
Not sure what you're confused about...
My question is why would you list the same aircraft in hard product and soft product?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 04:29:52 PM
My question is why would you list the same aircraft in hard product and soft product?

One is a ranking of hard products.

The other is a ranking of the service I received on those hard products.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 17, 2014, 04:31:31 PM
One is a ranking of hard products.

The other is a ranking of the service I received on those hard products.
Oh, get it
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 17, 2014, 04:36:34 PM
So EY and EK  doesn't make it on your soft product list ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
They're not in the top 5...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 17, 2014, 04:44:38 PM
They're not in the top 5...
Have you ever tried  BA F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 04:47:42 PM
Have you ever tried  BA F?

Couple more months, couple more months... JFK-HKG LHR-JFK
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on September 17, 2014, 11:05:07 PM
Would say KE F comes right after CX F for the most comfy bed in the sky. Very thick mattress pad and nice huge fluffy blanket.

Haven't tried EK or EY F, but those seems a lot more blingy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 17, 2014, 11:11:02 PM
If you're saying blingy without corresponding substance than yes on EK. Not EY.

Can't even imagine apartments...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 18, 2014, 09:18:32 AM
Would say KE F comes right after CX F for the most comfy bed in the sky. Very thick mattress pad and nice huge fluffy blanket.

Haven't tried EK or EY F, but those seems a lot more blingy.
The "downside" with KE F is the "faucet light" that sits right over the seat. Knocked into it one too many times.


Though it is not stopping me from flying them in January.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 18, 2014, 09:15:43 PM
Wow, the award hotel market in NZ is bleak.

Not a single Hyatt, SPG, or Marriott hotel in the whole country; no nice Hilton's (no Conrad  >:(); and a single decent Intercontinental in Wellington.

Choice hotels anyone?  ::)

Am I really giving up a week in MLE at the Conrad for this??
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2014, 09:19:16 PM
Lucky is that you again?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 18, 2014, 09:19:52 PM
Come again?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on September 18, 2014, 09:28:23 PM
Wow, the award hotel market in NZ is bleak.

Not a single Hyatt, SPG, or Marriott hotel in the whole country; no nice Hilton's (no Conrad  >:(); and a single decent Intercontinental in Wellington.

Choice hotels anyone?  ::)

Am I really giving up a week in MLE at the Conrad for this??
So you basically go on vacation to be able to plan your next vacation.   Rinse and repeat.   :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on September 18, 2014, 10:40:18 PM
Wow, the award hotel market in NZ is bleak.

Not a single Hyatt, SPG, or Marriott hotel in the whole country; no nice Hilton's (no Conrad  >:(); and a single decent Intercontinental in Wellington.

Choice hotels anyone?  ::)

Am I really giving up a week in MLE at the Conrad for this??

I think its time for you to try camping for a change.

Get yourself a small tent and hammock - should cost you less than $100 on Amazon.

You'll thank me for the rest of your life.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on September 18, 2014, 10:51:22 PM
I think its time for you to try camping for a change.

Get yourself a small tent and hammock - should cost you less than $100 on Amazon.

You'll thank me for the rest of your life.

Are you offering your balloon bed? AJK doesn't just sleep on any ground.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2014, 08:58:26 AM
Come again?
We spent several nights along the Great ocean road, grampians, Tasmania, Hamilton Island, etc.
The fact that there's no luxury hotels wasn't going to to stop off us from seeing a beautiful place (unless you're traveling to places just for the hotels and not the place itself). We made do in hostels, VRBOs, and B&Bs just fine.

Or better yet for NZ-rent an RV!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 19, 2014, 08:59:51 AM
Was seriously considering the RV route. In fact, I started looking into it. That'd knock an additional item off my bucket list, and what better way then to do it in NZ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on September 19, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
Was seriously considering the RV route. In fact, I started looking into it. That'd knock an additional item off my bucket list, and what better way then to do it in NZ?
sounds like a lot of fun
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: eliteflyer on September 19, 2014, 10:36:31 AM
AJK- can you add to your footer number of days vacation/PTO for the year with the tally?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 19, 2014, 10:51:24 AM
AJK- can you add to your footer number of days vacation/PTO for the year with the tally?

lol
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on September 19, 2014, 11:34:00 AM
AJK- can you add to your footer number of days vacation/PTO for the year with the tally?
ALOL someone sounds jealous (So am I)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: eliteflyer on September 20, 2014, 08:06:25 PM
ALOL someone sounds jealous (So am I)
perhaps, but also curious to see how other NYC lawyers make the travel hobby work.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 23, 2014, 12:50:36 AM
Need some crowdsourcing on planning the routing for my next two trips or so.

Goals:

(i) Maximize time in nice F cabins, (ii) extract maximum value by,  for instance, turning the two trips into three, utilizing "free one ways" (more technically known as open jaws and stopovers, e.g. (a) NYC-BKK-NYC(stop)-HNL and then (ii) HNL-EWR-SIN-SYD-EWR, giving me a free "third" trip to HNL).

Assumptions:

--First destination will be New Zealand (a lot of fun routings that way)
--Second destination will also be somewhere in Asia/Oceania (another destination for nice routings)
--Two people are traveling
--I have 500,000 of each mileage currency.
--I'd like to fly SQ R, EK F (a380), OZ F (772), LH F (744)
--I try to avoid YQ unless it's completely necessary (e.g. SQ R, but not LH F through M&M)

Notes:

--I'd like to burn UA miles before 2/1/14 which may lead to using booking *A as my first outbound given LH's tendency to only release F space two weeks out (and also, since there have been no announcements by EK/AS/JL to deval EK awards, or SQ to deval theirs, I feel a bit more comfortable holding off if necessary with them).
--I don't mind paying additional for positioning flights (I should have a WN CP to use, Gd willing).
--OZ F award availability on their JFK route, which is currently the only route that has the new F,  has largely become nonexistent in the last 8 weeks for whatever reason. So even though I'd like to try it, it may not be possible.

Now, I figure this should be a (somewhat) fun exercise, so given the above,  let your imaginations run wild!
" (a) NYC-BKK-NYC(stop)-HNL" which airline stops in Honolulu? Or is this an open jaw?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 23, 2014, 01:00:47 AM
If you're saying blingy without corresponding substance than yes on EK. Not EY.

Can't even imagine apartments...
Do you remember which kosher meal caterer was used from Abu Dhabi to New York? And how was it.  Tia
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 28, 2014, 03:20:12 PM
Do you remember which kosher meal caterer was used from Abu Dhabi to New York? And how was it.  Tia

Haven't flown EY ex-AUH.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 28, 2014, 03:20:35 PM
I may be crazy, but I'm thinking of splitting my time between MLE and AKL...

Four nights in MLE, seven nights in AKL.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 03:44:49 PM
I may be crazy, but I'm thinking of splitting my time between MLE and AKL...

Four nights in MLE, seven nights in AKL.
Sounds great. Why are you doubting yourself?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 03:53:55 PM
You've done MLE. And you'll probably go back again.

I'd spend the 11 nights all in AKL where you probably won't feel the same need to return.
/.02
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 28, 2014, 04:01:17 PM
Sounds great. Why are you doubting yourself?

For the reasons Dan noted.

@Dan, problem is I have two Hilton free nights that officially expired over a couple weeks ago, so if I cancel (or try and exchange), I may lose 'em, though I may get lucky.

But MLE, to us, is just so magical, so I'm not sure we want to try.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 04:03:08 PM
@Dan, problem is I have two Hilton free nights that officially expired over a couple weeks ago, so if I cancel (or try and exchange), I may lose 'em, though I may get lucky.
Either way we'll have a great data point ;)
And you can probably still beg for mercy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
For the reasons Dan noted.

@Dan, problem is I have two Hilton free nights that officially expired over a couple weeks ago, so if I cancel (or try and exchange), I may lose 'em, though I may get lucky.

But MLE, to us, is just so magical, so I'm not sure we want to try.
Once you're in AKL, why not chk out other islands in the area? Papua New Guinea?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 28, 2014, 04:17:42 PM
Once you're in AKL, why not chk out other islands in the area? Papua New Guinea?

T-I-M-E :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 04:22:10 PM
Once you're in AKL, why not chk out other islands in the area? Papua New Guinea?
Seems like it takes at least 2 weeks to accomplish anything in NZ. Why just touch the surface of a place that you may not return to?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 04:34:38 PM
Seems like it takes at least 2 weeks to accomplish anything in NZ. Why just touch the surface of a place that you may not return to?
If he's not experiencing this part of the world again, he may as well experience the extremes of what mother nature has to offer.
But I guess it's a stylistic thing.

What's the longest you've spent in a country on a tourist trip? (Not counting Israel)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2014, 04:37:14 PM
What's the longest you've spent in a country on a tourist trip? (Not counting Israel)
2.5 weeks in Australia.  Hawaii's not a country, but did a month trip there.  9 months in Brazil, but that's wasn't for touring.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on September 28, 2014, 04:38:38 PM
9 months in Brazil, but that's wasn't for touring.

Like!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Drago on September 28, 2014, 04:47:14 PM
2.5 weeks in Australia.  Hawaii's not a country, but did a month trip there.  9 months in Brazil, but that's wasn't for touring.
Month in Hawaii sounds amazing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on September 28, 2014, 05:25:35 PM
Do you remember which kosher meal caterer was used from Abu Dhabi to New York? And how was it.  Tia

I flew 2 years ago in F on that route and I don't recall the caterer but I do recall the food being quite awful
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 28, 2014, 05:27:08 PM
I flew 2 years ago in F on that route and I don't recall the caterer but I do recall the food being quite awful
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 28, 2014, 09:50:24 PM
Should be Bangkok
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 29, 2014, 12:29:34 PM
Wow, am I really looking forward to redeeming for First on a SkyTeam carrier (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/09/china-eastern-takes-delivery-first-777-300er-new-bland-livery/)?

(No, I've never been particularly excited about KE...)

Suite with doors + double bed + pretty good availability? Yes, please.

(http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/China-Eastern-777-300ER-2.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on September 29, 2014, 12:30:51 PM
Wow, am I really looking forward to redeeming for First on a SkyTeam carrier (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/09/china-eastern-takes-delivery-first-777-300er-new-bland-livery/)?

(No, I've never been particularly excited about KE...)

Suite with doors + double bed + pretty good availability? Yes, please.

(http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/China-Eastern-777-300ER-2.png)
saw the same. Seems exciting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on September 29, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
Wow, am I really looking forward to redeeming for First on a SkyTeam carrier (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/09/china-eastern-takes-delivery-first-777-300er-new-bland-livery/)?

(No, I've never been particularly excited about KE...)

Suite with doors + double bed + pretty good availability? Yes, please.

(http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/China-Eastern-777-300ER-2.png)
sample routes?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 29, 2014, 12:33:21 PM
Haven't been loaded yet, but seems the first long-haul routes will likely be PVG<->LAX/JFK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on September 29, 2014, 01:22:28 PM
Wow, am I really looking forward to redeeming for First on a SkyTeam carrier (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/09/china-eastern-takes-delivery-first-777-300er-new-bland-livery/)?

Between this and GA F, ST is getting better..
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 29, 2014, 01:29:34 PM
Between this and GA F, ST is getting better..

Yes, indeed!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 01:31:22 PM
Ive booked someone PVG-JFK for Oct 30, any idea if they will have the new product?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 29, 2014, 01:33:27 PM
Wow, am I really looking forward to redeeming for First on a SkyTeam carrier (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/09/china-eastern-takes-delivery-first-777-300er-new-bland-livery/)?

(No, I've never been particularly excited about KE...)

Suite with doors + double bed + pretty good availability? Yes, please.

(http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/China-Eastern-777-300ER-2.png)
Is that KE F A380?
sample routes?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on September 29, 2014, 01:34:20 PM
Is that KE F A380?
No
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 29, 2014, 01:34:58 PM
No
What is it?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 29, 2014, 01:36:19 PM
Ive booked someone PVG-JFK for Oct 30, any idea if they will have the new product?

Very unlikely.

What is it?

Did you bother reading the link?  ::)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on September 29, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
What is it?

China Eastern F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on September 29, 2014, 01:38:17 PM
KE miles will be the way to redeem F, correct?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 29, 2014, 01:40:27 PM
KE miles will be the way to redeem F, correct?

Correct.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 29, 2014, 01:42:41 PM


Very unlikely.

Did you bother reading the link?  ::)

Oh, I'm using a smartphone and the only thing highlighted was skyteam.thanks
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 29, 2014, 01:49:30 PM

Oh, I'm using a smartphone and the only thing highlighted was skyteam.thanks

Yeah, highlighted means it's a link ;)

As noted above, it's MU F (China Eastern).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 01, 2014, 07:37:45 PM
Sadly, with "only" two weeks, I just don't see a way to incorporate two destinations as far flung as MLE and AKL. Not without basically eating up like 4 or 5 days or travel time. Especially if I'd feel :obligated: to fly EY again from MLE-AUH-SYD (the stop in AUH being very inconvenient schedule-wise).

Alas, if I'm compelled to pick, it seems the better money is on AKL.

The Conrad MLE will have to wait, it seems.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 03:24:47 PM
Confession:

Award searching/trip planning for me is like a crawling down a black rabbit hole.

I start, get engrossed, look up after what I think is a half hour, and find out several hours have gone by...  :o

Am I alone?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Myccrabbi on October 02, 2014, 03:36:18 PM
Confession:

Award searching/trip planning for me is like a crawling down a black rabbit hole.

I start, get engrossed, look up after what I think is a half hour, and find out several hours have gone by...  :o

Am I alone?
Put it in the you might be a ddf ' er thread
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 02, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
Confession:

Award searching/trip planning for me is like a crawling down a black rabbit hole.

I start, get engrossed, look up after what I think is a half hour, and find out several hours have gone by...  :o

Am I alone?
you are definitely not alone
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 04:37:24 PM
Poll... green or red?

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=hkg-bkk-syd-akl,+color:green,+hkg-sin-akl&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=540x540&PM=*)

Red =
--TG F + TG F + LA J 
--40K UA + 20K BA + $85
--Travel time of 33 hours including two overnights.

Green =
--CX Y + SQ R
--10K BA + $35 + ~64K SQ + $200
--Travel time of 17 hours and no overnights.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on October 02, 2014, 04:41:13 PM
Poll... green or red?

Green
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 04:41:19 PM
Wow, now that I look at it, I think I'd have to be an idiot to pick red.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on October 02, 2014, 04:47:14 PM
green
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on October 02, 2014, 06:01:44 PM
Wow, now that I look at it, I think I'd have to be an idiot to pick red.
I think the CX Y got to you  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 06:06:02 PM
I think the CX Y got to you  ;)

Ha, though now that I think about it, I'm not sure I would have redeemed for J anyway.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 06:08:17 PM
Wow, am I really looking forward to redeeming for First on a SkyTeam carrier (http://www.airlinereporter.com/2014/09/china-eastern-takes-delivery-first-777-300er-new-bland-livery/)?

(No, I've never been particularly excited about KE...)

Suite with doors + double bed + pretty good availability? Yes, please.

(http://onemileatatime.img.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/China-Eastern-777-300ER-2.png)

PVG<>JFK announced!

Begins 11/15/14.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 06:52:02 PM
PVG<>JFK announced!

Begins 11/15/14.
Any way to book a one-way?
Tried to play around on their website, but my goodness it makes El Al's look state of the art.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on October 02, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
Any way to book a one-way?
Tried to play around on their website, but my goodness it makes El Al's look state of the art.

Tried on Korean's website? It's pretty bad..
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 06:57:12 PM
No KE is RT only for ST awards.
Tried on china eastern.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 07:01:21 PM
Called China Eastern.
OW is 155K, RT is 280K.
Better off with KE I guess.

Will AF book MU F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on October 02, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
Will AF book MU F?
NIME
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 07:06:55 PM
Definitely better with KE.

You can do OW with MU and the return with MU/KE/CZ...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 07:10:11 PM
Any chance KE would book JFK-PVG-ICN-TLV-JFK on a ST award?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 07:12:11 PM
Any chance KE would book JFK-PVG-ICN-TLV-JFK on a ST award?

Would take no less than two awards, looks like three.

JFK-ICN; ICN-TLV; TLV-JFK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 07:14:10 PM
That would be true for the KE chart. But for the ST chart?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on October 02, 2014, 07:15:46 PM
Definitely better with KE.

You can do OW with MU and the return with MU/KE/CZ...

Or combine it with GA first if you can, their F product seems great.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 07:24:12 PM
That would be true for the KE chart. But for the ST chart?

Quote
SkyTeam Bonus is for direct flights between origin and destination, but transfer for flight connection is allowed. Please contact Korean Air service center for eligible transfer regions.

Or combine it with GA first if you can, their F product seems great.

Not possible, AFAIK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on October 02, 2014, 07:32:41 PM
PVG<>JFK announced!

Begins 11/15/14.
Whats the excitement? I guess you never flew SQ F
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 02, 2014, 07:38:07 PM
Whats the excitement? I guess you never flew SQ F

^^^

Johnny, tell our non-sequitur of the day award winner what he's won!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 02, 2014, 11:28:30 PM
Called China Eastern.
OW is 155K, RT is 280K.
Better off with KE I guess.

Will AF book MU F?
No. And just so you know, JFK-PVG in J on MU is 100k for a OW plus about $200.

Interestingly, no YQ on KE. Still with 100k for a OW its not a big deal.... Rather book with with AZ, 90/95K ROUND TRIP!!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2014, 12:38:56 AM
Huh?
Who was talking about J?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 03, 2014, 12:49:56 AM
Huh?
Who was talking about J?
I answered your question. Then I wrote JUST SO YOU KNOW ...........................how much they charge for J.
 
What don't you understand ??? I just wrote in short some options on how to redeem KE J. AS A BY THE WAY.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2014, 12:54:44 AM
All I wanted to know was how to book MU F one way.
If I wanted a BTW I'd read more blog posts.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 03, 2014, 01:09:20 AM
All I wanted to know was how to book MU F one way.
If I wanted a BTW I'd read more blog posts.
Sorry. Good to know for the future. It was the first time I saw that AF does not charge YQ on KE so I figured I'll share. But sorry for the inconvenience. I'll know for next time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 03, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
If I am on a US ticket JFK-HKG and a BA ticket HKG-SIN, with both legs being on CX, there shouldn't not be any issue with having my bags checked through to SIN correct?

Very tight connection in HKG that will be impossible to make if I don't have bags checked through.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 03, 2014, 12:33:49 PM
AFAIK only Delta has policy not to interline with themselves (funny just writing that sentence)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 03, 2014, 12:42:37 PM
AFAIK only Delta has policy not to interline with themselves (funny just writing that sentence)

Didn't know that. How silly.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 03, 2014, 02:05:17 PM
Didn't know that. How silly.
+1. Interesting and good to know.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 03, 2014, 02:14:29 PM
Upon further review, the FT thread discussing this says Delta at some point reconsidered and didn't implement this http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1401060-new-baggage-rules-january-2013-postponed.html
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 11:28:00 AM
For confirmation, CX will transfer bags CX to CX on separate tickets.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2014, 11:29:54 AM
For confirmation, CX will transfer bags CX to CX on separate tickets.
There's an airline that won't?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 11:30:41 AM
There's an airline that won't?

See ^

Although they backtracked it seems.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Thanks for everyone's help!

Subject to change, but finally booked.

Outbound:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-hkg-sin-akl&MS=wls&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*)

CX F, SQ R, SQ R

ETA: The only thing I may change is I'd probably take CX J HKG-AKL if it opens up; cuts out a stop, saves miles, and gives me more time in NZ. So it'd be JFK-HKG-AKL.


--roughly 10 days in NZ--


Inbound:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=akl-sin-dxb-lhr-jfk&MS=wls&MC=DXB&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*)

SQ R, SQ F, QF F, BA F
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2014, 12:11:35 PM
Uch. I hate you.
Seriously.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 12:14:34 PM
Then I won't tell you what I just put on hold ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 12:20:59 PM
Actually, it's not as pretty as this trip, so I'll share:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-pvg-icn-auh-mle-auh-icn-jfk&MS=wls&MP=rect&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)

MU F, KE F, EY F x2 (45K for 11 hours in EY F, a bargain!)

4-5 days in PVG + 4-5 days in MLE.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 05, 2014, 12:28:17 PM
Uch. I hate you.

x1,000,000
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 05, 2014, 01:33:12 PM
AJK, I can't wait for you to have a baby  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 01:34:34 PM
AJK, I can't wait for you to have a baby  ;)

Amen. Bshaah tova!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: sky121 on October 05, 2014, 01:52:46 PM
AJK, I can't wait for you to have a baby  ;)

Something tells me that won't be stopping his travels too much. :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
Amen. Bshaah tova!
My friend had quadruplets. I expect nothing less from you.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 05, 2014, 03:35:42 PM
My friend had quadruplets. I expect nothing less from you.

Go big or go home :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 06, 2014, 01:15:20 AM
First actual pics of MU F on 77W... a bit underwhelming, but that could be because they're not the "marketing photos," but still, like China Southern, the cabin looks a bit "cheap." I'm reserving judgment.

(http://i.gyazo.com/b93bc5661bf7be02c7ac614aab4a675f.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/cd634abc1ecc17ed6d444e3bbdea0f0e.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/275c5a8685402ce22e5fe8965a0eda8d.png)

Cool shades though  :D

(http://i.gyazo.com/8f8fb2ad53c232cf0ebb753d08dc1565.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/e33e7e5c8499ae131d05f1f54611d5e7.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/273ce1c0dd2325886af41932dfe963ad.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/547c2ec26f8dcb2aeb11496821fcc33c.png)

(http://)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 06, 2014, 01:19:14 AM
I'm on a mobile but can't view the pictures
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 06, 2014, 01:21:27 AM
I'm on a mobile but can't view the pictures

Fixed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 06, 2014, 01:24:16 AM
(http://i.gyazo.com/4046bcd39ff337841750983d71bccb6d.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/e9aa2ed0386ba05c705f931147a0997e.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 06, 2014, 01:42:18 PM
EY is launching 789 service to IAD, replacing the 77W, as of Jan 1, 2015.

Thankfully, F will be retained.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 06, 2014, 01:47:18 PM
EY is launching 789 service to IAD, replacing the 77W, as of Jan 1, 2015.

Thankfully, F will be retained.
789? 787? 787-9?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 06, 2014, 01:50:55 PM
787-9?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 07, 2014, 07:49:56 PM
So I imagine there would be a whole host of issues with staying in an RV for shabbas, yes?

Basically forcing me to get a hotel for those two 25-hour periods?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 07, 2014, 08:48:14 PM
Why?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 07, 2014, 08:49:24 PM
Why?

I dunno... I ain't no rabbi... You think it would be OK?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 07, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
I don't know all the details (@SF can pipe up with more info) but unless electricity runs differently because you're inside or using the bathroom requires elasticity I don't see why it would be an issue
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 07, 2014, 08:53:33 PM
I don't know all the details (@SF can pipe up with more info) but unless electricity runs differently because you're inside or using the bathroom requires elasticity I don't see why it would be an issue

I feel like opening the doors would trigger some sort of light, etc.

Could be wrong, I guess. Maybe he'll chime in.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 07, 2014, 08:58:05 PM
I feel like opening the doors would trigger some sort of light, etc.
And there's probably a switch to flip that would disable that.

My guess is just like with a hotel room, it would be doable with some modifications.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 07, 2014, 09:41:33 PM
There are many potential issues.

- For starters you'll have to be hooked up to power - the batteries won't last all Shabbos and you can't/wouldn't want to run the generator instead. You'll probably also need 220v for the AC, so make sure the campground could supply that (many do).

- The water hookup often leaks, which could be an issue of watering on shabbos; AYLOR.

- You can't put the cabin lights on a timer, so that may be an issue since some beds are in the main living area.

- Going in and out of the RV could be an issue of maaras ayin (even if no Jews are around), so you may have to cover up your wheels to indicate that you're staying put (obviously AYLOR).

-Make sure to empty the black water tank and treat the toilet before Shabbos; that's not something you want to get stuck with.

- Carrying anything outside is obviously an issue to discuss.

- The fridge runs on propane, so the compressor going on may be more serious than a regular fridge (is it considered a fire???).

- As far as I remember all living-area lights are manual (unlike the cab or a regular car). Opening the door doesn't turn on anything. This may obviously vary by model (I had a stock Winnebago).

That'll all I could think of for now; I'm sure there are more  :P

I added some additional points to the quote.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on October 07, 2014, 09:43:56 PM
If you could find someone who goes to an OOT Rebbe (Tosh, Skvere) he may have some more concrete info - it's not uncommon for people to stay in RVs over Yom Tov.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 07, 2014, 09:46:18 PM
Wow, a lot of issues to keep in mind. Thanks for the input.

May just be simpler to avoid the potential obstacles.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 08, 2014, 12:20:03 AM
I'm not sure where the appropriate thread for this is but is there an arrivals lounge in FRA for SQ suites arrivals? Is it decent?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on October 08, 2014, 12:42:24 AM
I'm not sure where the appropriate thread for this is but is there an arrivals lounge in FRA for SQ suites arrivals? Is it decent?
No lounge
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 13, 2014, 07:04:57 PM
Can anyone tell me what route the SQ chart could be referring on Zone 12 <> Zone 12  ???
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 13, 2014, 08:42:55 PM
Ever wonder what route is the best bang for your buck in SQuites?

Well, wonder no longer, as I had too much time on my hands no time today, but crunched all the numbers anyway, and here are the results.

The colored numbers represent the amount of SQ miles that are required per mile flown in Suites. Lower the better.

(http://i.gyazo.com/8e277caf1de2852a1e32699b50f96328.png)

Notes:

Best overall routes are ex-JFK (except for FRA) and ex-AKL.

However, the likelihood of scoring 2 savers JFK<>FRA<>SIN<>?? is next to nothing, thus leaving the best practical route as AKL<>SIN<>HKG/NRT/ZRH/CDG.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on October 13, 2014, 09:00:34 PM
Ever wonder what route is the best bang for your buck in SQuites?

Well, wonder no longer, as I had too much time on my hands no time today, but crunched all the numbers anyway, and here are the results.

The colored numbers represent the amount of SQ miles that are required per mile flown in Suites. Lower the better.

(http://i.gyazo.com/8e277caf1de2852a1e32699b50f96328.png)

Notes:

Best overall routes are ex-JFK (except for FRA) and ex-AKL.

However, the likelihood of scoring 2 savers JFK<>FRA<>SIN<>?? is next to nothing, thus leaving the best practical route as AKL<>SIN<>HKG/NRT/ZRH/CDG.
Awesome chart.

Definitely will be helpful for when i plan my first trip with SQ.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on October 13, 2014, 09:03:14 PM
Awesome chart.

Definitely will be helpful for when i plan my first trip with SQ.
+1. Thanks!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 13, 2014, 09:19:30 PM
You, my friend, have serious issues
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on October 14, 2014, 01:14:35 AM
Awesome chart.

Definitely will be helpful for when i plan my first trip with SQ.

Yup thanks, though don't see any SQ R flight planned in the foreseeable future for me.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 14, 2014, 01:30:27 AM
Dan, maybe put AJKs chart on the MS?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2014, 02:34:59 AM
Sooo.... SQ has no routes where they say they do, and routes where they say they don't?

(http://i.gyazo.com/4a71f164a126b2d6aa9107bfeccbd326.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/993d6884bbc4ea01d25bd31b757e2da5.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: smart brit on October 14, 2014, 02:39:41 AM
This chart is awesome!
Good accounting :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2014, 12:00:57 PM
Added Shanghai as A380 destination, as well as added a couple other tidbits. Let me know if you see any mistakes (!)

(http://i.gyazo.com/f0373c9646a6d606eced4a391d4f916c.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2014, 12:07:26 PM
Wonkish enough to make Paul Ryan's head spin, but I love it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2014, 12:09:30 PM
Wonkish enough to make Paul Ryan's head spin, but I love it.

Not sure I get the reference (is Paul known to be "wonkish?"), but I'll take it.

Wonkish is what I do. And I love spreadsheets. And I love frugal. And travel. In premium cabins.

Equals colorful spreadsheet.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
Interesting to note that SQ will allow PVG-SIN-NRT-LAX, but will NOT allow PVG-SIN-NRT.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 14, 2014, 12:14:12 PM
Added Shanghai as A380 destination, as well as added a couple other tidbits. Let me know if you see any mistakes (!)

(http://i.gyazo.com/f0373c9646a6d606eced4a391d4f916c.png)
Wow! Are you equally diligent with your work? :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2014, 12:20:20 PM
Wow! Are you equally diligent with your work? :D

I'd like to think so ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on October 14, 2014, 12:20:44 PM
Not sure I get the reference (is Paul known to be "wonkish?"), but I'll take it.
GIYF.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 14, 2014, 12:23:55 PM
GIYF.

First thing I did, papi. Forget to add "wonkish" to the search.

I'll assume you're referring to definition #3  ;D

(http://i.gyazo.com/59ac8261d0c809653b0dad09c6f87258.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
Because I can't stop fiddling:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=syd-bkk-hkg-dxb,+color:green,+akl-sin-dxb&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Green:

SQ R + SQ F
178,500 SQ + $658 YQ

Total travel time of 38 hours, including 20 hour overnight stopover in SIN.

Red:

TG F (new F in 747) + TG F (new F in A380) + CX J
80,000 UA + $0 YQ

Total travel time of 37 hours, including 10 hour stopover in BKK.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on October 20, 2014, 01:34:03 PM
Because I can't stop fiddling:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=syd-bkk-hkg-dxb,+color:green,+akl-sin-dxb&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Green:

SQ R + SQ F
178,500 SQ + $658 YQ

Total travel time of 38 hours, including 20 hour overnight stopover in SIN.

Red:

TG F (new F in 747) + TG F (new F in A380) + CX J
80,000 UA + $0 YQ

Total travel time of 37 hours, including 10 hour stopover in BKK.

SYD-AKL?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
Not sure what you're asking?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on October 20, 2014, 01:38:56 PM
Not sure what you're asking?
Are you deciding on destination as well or are you adding an additional leg SYD-AKL?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 01:41:43 PM
Are you deciding on destination as well or are you adding an additional leg SYD-AKL?

No, origin is CHC, so in either case, I'll have to add on a flight CHC-AKL/SYD. To make things simpler, though, I'm just showing the long-hauls.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on October 20, 2014, 01:46:45 PM
How are you booking CX J with UA?
I'd go option 2 even though you stand a large chance of getting TGed on at least one leg.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on October 20, 2014, 01:47:45 PM
No, origin is CHC, so in either case, I'll have to add on a flight CHC-AKL/SYD. To make things simpler, though, I'm just showing the long-hauls.
Got it. Which of those products have you already flown?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 01:50:04 PM
How are you booking CX J with UA?
I'd go option 2 even though you stand a large chance of getting TGed on at least one leg.

I'm not; it's part of my original US award already (which is already paid for).

Yeah, there is that risk, and the risk is actually greater on the longer leg (SYD-BKK), because they will have just started the A380 on the BKK-HKG leg a week earlier.

Got it. Which of those products have you already flown?

Good Q:

Of these, I will have flown SQ R and TG A380.

I have not flown TG F New 747 or SQ F 777.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on October 20, 2014, 02:00:12 PM


Good Q:

Of these, I will have flown SQ R and TG A380.

I have not flown TG F New 747 or SQ F 777.
IIRC, you were already in SIN.

I'd say definitely red.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 02:50:51 PM
I'd go option 2 even though you stand a large chance of getting TGed on at least one leg.

Here is the last 50 or so flights. Green is new, red is old.

26 new v. 28 old, but the last 17 straight have been new.

(http://i.gyazo.com/f2a8984379a2eec2f94f85e0ab97f169.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on October 20, 2014, 02:59:45 PM
Dude, you are certifiably nuts.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 03:00:49 PM
Dude, you are certifiably nuts.

Wonkish, I believe, is the more PC term  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 10:22:33 PM
In case anyone was wondering, below are the chances you'll get the new 747 ex-AKL.

(http://i.gyazo.com/98f1f771cc0f8b020de6945fa8ddaf20.png)

Try, if you can, to snag TG 476 for a greater than 80% chance (which also runs 7 days a week).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on October 20, 2014, 10:30:07 PM
In case anyone was wondering, below are the chances you'll get the new 747 ex-AKL.

(http://i.gyazo.com/98f1f771cc0f8b020de6945fa8ddaf20.png)

Try, if you can, to snag TG 476 for a greater than 80% chance (which also runs 7 days a week).
Best way to book it? ANA?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 10:30:31 PM
Actually, UA. Cheap at 40K. Cheaper, in fact, post-deval.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on October 20, 2014, 10:32:22 PM
Actually, UA. Cheap at 40K. Cheaper, in fact, post-deval.
I need to start thinking of booking legs and not necessarily the whole ticket at once.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 10:33:53 PM
Cheapest way is probably US at 140K in F to SYD/AKL. Ideal routing (to maximize F): JFK-HKG-NRT-SYD in CX and JL F.

Short of that, you can do what I'm doing, which is a bit easier:

120k US in F to N. Asia + another award, like 40K UA on TG F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 20, 2014, 10:50:12 PM
In case anyone was wondering, below are the chances you'll get the new 747 ex-AKLSYD.

(http://i.gyazo.com/98f1f771cc0f8b020de6945fa8ddaf20.png)

Try, if you can, to snag TG 476 for a greater than 80% chance (which also runs 7 days a week).

FTFM

And here is BKK-SYD:

(http://i.gyazo.com/2dfee02dcf716fc633af71bb6538c3fa.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 22, 2014, 01:43:06 AM
AJK, did you complete your MLE TR?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 22, 2014, 01:44:17 AM
Sadly, no.

Though, I think I probably can from pictures.

My list is first to finish my most recent trip to DXB-SIN-DPS, then I have an idea for CPT/JNB, and then perhaps I'll finish MLE.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on October 22, 2014, 01:56:57 PM
Sadly, no.

Though, I think I probably can from pictures.

My list is first to finish my most recent trip to DXB-SIN-DPS, then I have an idea for CPT/JNB, and then perhaps I'll finish MLE.
Can't wait for that one!

And when AJK says "I have an idea"...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 22, 2014, 09:31:14 PM
Why isn't QR F on your list?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 22, 2014, 10:13:21 PM
What list?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 22, 2014, 11:08:11 PM
What list?
Your sig.

I thought you have in plan to cover every A380. Ouch, I keep on mixing up AJK and Lucky.  :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 22, 2014, 11:13:03 PM
My sig shows products I will have flown in 2014.

2015 is a whole 'nother story, Gd willing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 23, 2014, 04:23:11 PM
I know I might be nuts but this what I decided and booked. LGA-ORD-HKG-BKK CX J (hoping F opens) BKK-USM-BKK (local carrier) BKK-NRT (looking for TG F need help) NRT-LAX SQ R LAX-JFK (hoping  for AA 321 F/J). I want to thank my fellow DDF family for your TRs which have been the primary source of motivation for this especially the Master of this thread and many others Mr. and Mrs. AJK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on October 23, 2014, 04:24:36 PM
I know I might be nuts but this what I decided and booked. LGA-ORD-HKG-BKK CX J (hoping F opens) BKK-USM-BKK (local carrier) BKK-NRT (looking for TG F need help) NRT-LAX SQ R LAX-JFK (hoping  for AA 321 F/J). I want to thank my fellow DDF family for your TRs which have been the primary source of motivation for this especially the Master of this thread and many others Mr. and Mrs. AJK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 04:34:11 PM
I know I might be nuts but this what I decided and booked. LGA-ORD-HKG-BKK CX J (hoping F opens) BKK-USM-BKK (local carrier) BKK-NRT (looking for TG F need help) NRT-LAX SQ R LAX-JFK (hoping  for AA 321 F/J). I want to thank my fellow DDF family for your TRs which have been the primary source of motivation for this especially the Master of this thread and many others Mr. and Mrs. AJK.

Not the best choice of thread (probably should be here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44320.0)), but anyway :)

This is your trip (potentially):

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=LGA-ORD-HKG-BKK-usm-bkk-nrt-lax-jfk&MS=wls&MP=rect&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)

--After all the back and forth with MLE, you're doing an itin that's 21,000 mi? more than 3,000 miles longer than MLE? I sure hope you're not taking the infant... and if not, why not MLE? I'd say it's better than USM.
--BKK-NRT in TG F tends to open close-in pretty reliably. Also, if you can stomach it, I'd fly into NRT (LGA-ORD-HKG-NRT), so you can get NRT-BKK-NRT for 50K in TG F A380 (which is cheaper than UA's one-way price of 60K!)

P.S. Glad I was able to motivate you to do an awesome trip like this! ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 23, 2014, 04:42:51 PM
Not the best choice of thread (probably should be here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44320.0)), but anyway :) Was planning on posting in a more appropriate thread t'was done by mistake :(



--After all the back and forth with MLE, you're doing an itin that's 21,000 mi? more than 3,000 miles longer than MLE? I sure hope you're not taking the infant... and if not, why not MLE? I'd say it's better than USM. Infant not coming, Wanted to cover multiple countries at once, MLE is high on the list and I'll get to it iy"h.
--BKK-NRT in TG F tends to open close-in pretty reliably. Also, if you can stomach it, I'd fly into NRT (LGA-ORD-HKG-NRT), so you can get NRT-BKK-NRT for 50K in TG F A380 (which is cheaper than UA's one-way price of 60K!) Using what miles?

P.S. Glad I was able to motivate you to do an awesome trip like this! ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 04:43:35 PM
AC
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 23, 2014, 04:57:51 PM
AC
By phone? I don't see anything online.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 05:04:08 PM
By phone? I don't see anything online.

Not sure what you're asking.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 23, 2014, 05:05:44 PM
Not sure what you're asking.
Is TG only bookable using AC by phone? because I don't see anything on their website.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 05:20:12 PM
Is TG only bookable using AC by phone? because I don't see anything on their website.

(http://i.gyazo.com/1dccd7b2114f61c2d0e85bc78a2f6e3d.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on October 23, 2014, 05:21:18 PM
Can be booked online AFAIK. Check 10/27 for example.

ETA:

(http://i.gyazo.com/84efb799b76df94f955e00880fc2d767.png)
Yes, I've booked it online.

YQ is a little high, but makes a great value when adding BKK-CNX-BKK and adding an infant for only $125.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 05:22:07 PM
Yes, I've booked it online.

YQ is a little high, but makes a great value when adding BKK-CNX-BKK and adding an infant for only $125.

Edited my post above to show one pax at 50K and the per pax YQ.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 23, 2014, 05:24:50 PM
Thanks, will run it by the better half!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 23, 2014, 06:55:32 PM
AJK, any sweet spots intra Asia in SQ R? Especially something towards MLE.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 11:50:18 PM
AJK, any sweet spots intra Asia in SQ R? Especially something towards MLE.

My chart posted above will show that...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 23, 2014, 11:50:58 PM
LH F availability DEN<>FRA in first quarter of 2015.

Note that DEN and EWR are basically the only routes that sometimes get old F...

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on October 24, 2014, 12:10:05 AM
LH F availability DEN<>FRA in first quarter of 2015.

Note that DEN and EWR are basically the only routes that sometimes get old F...
Old F? Referring to the 747 400 bed? Or the old first, like the real old first?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 24, 2014, 12:10:27 AM
Old F? Referring to the 747 400 bed? Or the old first, like the real old first?
That.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on October 24, 2014, 12:11:13 AM
That.
You must be kidding, does the 747 400 to EWR have the old first?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 24, 2014, 12:21:51 AM
Seriously tempted to pull the trigger on my last old-UA award now...

DEN-FRA-BKK-SYD in LH F 744, TG F A380, and TG F 744...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on October 24, 2014, 12:23:03 AM
You must be kidding, does the 747 400 to EWR have the old first?
Sometimes. I think that in DEN you still have a better chance to get the old F than EWR... Someone CMIIW, I think EWR has the new F most of the time.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on October 24, 2014, 01:19:59 AM
Seriously tempted to pull the trigger on my last old-UA award now...

DEN-FRA-BKK-SYD in LH F 744, TG F A380, and TG F 744...
Didnt you do LH F already as well as BKK and TG F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 24, 2014, 01:59:22 AM
I did... but I can't stomach ever having to pay 115K or more one way per person... and what better way to use an old UA award?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 24, 2014, 02:24:08 AM
Seriously tempted to pull the trigger on my last old-UA award now...

DEN-FRA-BKK-SYD in LH F 744, TG F A380, and TG F 744...

Couldn't help myself... I'm gonna have to commit myself to an institution, I know. Especally because I'm not positive we can go on these dates because Mrs. AJK is sleeping  :o

(http://i.gyazo.com/c360fda2bda880b6cb9fbdc41b7764d8.png)

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=syd-bkk-fra-den&MS=wls&MC=FRA&MR=1800&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 01:11:45 PM
Because I can't stop fiddling:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=syd-bkk-hkg-dxb,+color:green,+akl-sin-dxb&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Green:

SQ R + SQ F
178,500 SQ + $658 YQ

Total travel time of 38 hours, including 20 hour overnight stopover in SIN.

Red:

TG F (new old F in 747) + TG F (new F in A380) + CX J
80,000 UA + $0 YQ

Total travel time of 37 hours, including 10 hour stopover in BKK.

Updated.

Assuming that change, what would you do? (Note, just looking for opinions, you don't have had to fly to opine!)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 26, 2014, 01:14:40 PM
Difference in price is so great, I would go red
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 01:15:53 PM
Difference in price is so great, I would go red

I know; it's a crazy price difference.

40K/pax UA for 2 segments in TG F, new or old, is like almost too good to pass up.

...Right?

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on October 26, 2014, 01:16:14 PM
Right.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 01:19:56 PM
But then I see this photo:

(http://i.gyazo.com/35257576e5201b56e76f260cf955da4c.png)

compared to this:

(http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Screen-Shot-2012-04-15-at-11.55.36-PM.png)


Ahhhh
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on October 26, 2014, 03:19:38 PM
Difference in price is so great, I would go red
+1
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on October 26, 2014, 04:25:04 PM
I've done both back to back. The new is definitely a lot nicer, but not worth the extra $$ and miles, especially since you've tried it.

If you are worried about sleeping, I had an amazing sleep on the old 747.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 04:27:29 PM
Good to know. Haven't yet done the new 747, only the A380, but as you guys seem to agree, the price difference seems to make red the winner.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on October 26, 2014, 04:43:54 PM
Also, on the new 747 if you are traveling with someone you will probably want the the 2 seats in the middle of the plane which are adjacent to each other, but are smaller then the other seats.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 10:06:22 PM
Also, on the new 747 if you are traveling with someone you will probably want the the 2 seats in the middle of the plane which are adjacent to each other, but are smaller then the other seats.

Yeah, I'd be happy to sacrifice for smaller seats to get the new 747, but red most likely means old, unless we get reaaaally lucky. As of right now, it's Old 747 to New A380.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 10:09:11 PM
Another would you rather poll for 2015:

Return to MLE for 5 nights in Conrad or do 5 nights in Hilton BOB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on October 26, 2014, 10:14:11 PM
Another would you rather poll for 2015:

Return to MLE for 5 nights in Conrad or do 5 nights in Hilton BOB?

BOB. Do they accept your scuba license?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 10:15:42 PM
BOB. Do they accept your scuba license?

Yeah, PADI is internationally recognized.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on October 26, 2014, 10:17:29 PM
Yeah, PADI is internationally recognized.
Why the question of repeat then?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on October 26, 2014, 10:18:40 PM
Why the question of repeat then?

Conrad is unquestionably a nicer hotel.

My wife now loves Conrad's after Conrad USM and Conrad DPS.

And same ol' refrain: planes are nicer to MLE :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on October 26, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
Conrad is unquestionably a nicer hotel.

My wife now loves Conrad's after Conrad USM and Conrad DPS.

And same ol' refrain: planes are nicer to MLE :P

ull go back to mle when ur old and wrinkly, go somewhere new while ur still young.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ual902 on October 26, 2014, 10:58:16 PM
ull go back to mle when ur old and wrinkly, go somewhere new while ur still young.

Good Point, but who said F and free OWB Hyatts will be available when were old?!!!!

How long will this game last?!!!!!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on October 27, 2014, 12:13:39 AM
Good Point, but who said F and free OWB Hyatts will be available when were old?!!!!

How long will this game last?!!!!!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on October 29, 2014, 04:01:21 PM
JAL to fly EK F NYC-DXB-BKK is 155k RT.
AS to fly EK F NYC-DXB-BKK is 100k OW.

What are your thoughts on both options with added flights from BKK to NZ and assuming using AS, return to NYC.

Matter of preference and/or more EK F flights if flying JAL?

Or, am i off somewhere...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 05, 2014, 12:24:27 PM
CX slowly removing F from ORD<>HKG routes. Going from 3/3 flights to 1/3 flights by mid 2015.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 05, 2014, 12:25:56 PM
Sign of the times.
I wonder if there will even be an F cabin in 10 years from now.  Probably just on a couple routes and that'll be it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 05, 2014, 12:30:07 PM
So it seems.

However, IMO, there will always be an F class on long-haul, high-yield, premium markets, like JFK/LAX<>HKG; NYC<>UAE; etc.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 05, 2014, 12:30:56 PM
So it seems.

However, IMO, there will always be an F class on long-haul, high-yield, premium markets, like JFK/LAX<>HKG; NYC<>UAE; etc.
I think that's exactly what I wrote ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 05, 2014, 12:32:04 PM
I'm just opining that it'll be definite as opposed to "probably."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on November 05, 2014, 02:28:40 PM
I'm just opining that it'll be definite as opposed to "probably."
His 'probably' was not as opposed to none but as opposed to many
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 05, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
Guess what's back on DL.com:

(http://i.gyazo.com/cf5ff39cd73d76d0b85fde91594656bd.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2014, 10:46:16 AM
Did I just forget, or did KE not used to charge 160K for partner ST awards between USA<>ICN?

Looks like its 180K now in F.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rediplus on November 07, 2014, 11:03:28 AM
Guess what's back on DL.com:

(http://i.gyazo.com/cf5ff39cd73d76d0b85fde91594656bd.png)

i give up !! what ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2014, 11:04:14 AM
VA

Was announced on all the blogs the day after I posted.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 07, 2014, 11:24:56 AM
VA

Was announced on all the blogs the day after I posted.
Thats bec your 'pimp of the skies...'
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2014, 11:34:53 AM
Thats bec your 'pimp of the skies...'

Hardly... I just happened to see it while searching.

I think that the pimp of the skies title probably goes to SFO777.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 07, 2014, 11:40:49 AM
Did I just forget, or did KE not used to charge 160K for partner ST awards between USA<>ICN?

Looks like its 180K now in F.

Unless I'm reading it wrong...

(http://i.gyazo.com/a8a5e1bd8995b2e0af95373774c23bb6.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rots5 on November 07, 2014, 12:02:09 PM
Hardly... I just happened to see it while searching.

I think that the pimp of the skies title probably goes to SFO777.
Ya, but does he practice law as a hobby? ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 09, 2014, 04:00:24 AM
Did I just forget, or did KE not used to charge 160K for partner ST awards between USA<>ICN?

Looks like its 180K now in F.

April 1 deval, perhaps?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 09, 2014, 06:57:21 AM
I guess could be... Do you recall that it changed?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 09, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
I guess could be... Do you recall that it changed?

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2013/09/12/korean-air-skypass-award-chart-changes-coming-april-1-2014/
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 09, 2014, 02:07:02 PM
The deval I know.

Was referring to this specific award.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 09, 2014, 06:13:37 PM
The deval I know.

Was referring to this specific award.

"Their new SkyTeam award chart can be found here (https://www.koreanair.com/etc/img/ft/ne/2012/12/sta_popup_eng.html). This is where most of the price increases seem to be."

I figured it was a clue...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: itsyehuda on November 09, 2014, 11:25:05 PM

Did I just forget, or did KE not used to charge 160K for partner ST awards between USA<>ICN?

Looks like its 180K now in F.

KE has high and low seasons, not sure if that's a factor here.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2014, 12:00:06 PM
I'm flying JFK-HKG-SIN.

If I am on CX F on a US award to HKG, and I'd like to connect to SQ R on an SQ award to SIN, will CX check check my bags through at JFK to SIN?

According to KVS, they do have an interline agreement, but I'd (obv) be on two separate tickets.

[KVS Availability Tool 7.6.1 - Reference: Interline Agreements [IET]: CX] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
Code: [Select]
ELECTRONIC INTERLINE CARRIER AGREEMENTS-CX                     
 INTERLINE CARRIER CODES                                       
   AA - AB - AC - AE - AF - AH - AI - AM - AP - AS             
   AT - AV - AY - AZ - A3 - BA - BE - BG - BI - BL             
   BP - BR - B6 - B7 - CA - CI - CM - CZ - DL - EI             
   EK - ET - EY - FI - FJ - FM - GA - GF - HA - HG             
   HM - HR - IB - IG - JC - JJ - JL - JO - JP - JQ             
   JU - KA - KC - KE - KL - KM - KQ - KU - LA - LG             
   LH - LO - LP - LR - LX - LY - MD - ME - MF - MH             
   MI - MK - MS - MU - NF - NH - NU - NX - NZ - OA             
   OK - OM - OS - OU - OZ - PG - PK - PR - PS - PX             
   PZ - QF - QR - RA - RJ - SA - SB - SC - SK - SN             
   SQ - SU - SV - SW - S7 - TA - TG - TK - TM - TN             
   TP - TX - UA - UL - UN - US - UU - VA - VN - VS             
   VX - WS - WY - XL - ZH - 2C - 4M - 9B - 9W                   

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2014, 12:00:30 PM
Also worth pointing out:

I am scheduled to arrive on CX 841 in HKG at 14:05.  The connecting flight on SQ 861 departs HKG at 15:20, leaving a connecting time of 1:15.

Am I correct in concluding I've met the MCT times?

[KVS Availability Tool 7.6.1 - Reference: Minimum Connection Time [MCT]: HKG/CX-SQ] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
Code: [Select]
                                               DD  DI  ID  II   
STANDARD:         HKG                          020 060 060 060 

EXCEPTIONS:                                                     
A/L FLT-NBR         DEPARR AREA                                 

-ALL-               GUM                        --- --- --- SUP 
SQ                         US                                   

-ALL-               SPN                        --- --- --- SUP 
SQ                         US                                   

-ALL-                      CN                  --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                  KHH                                     

-ALL-                      CN                  --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                  TPE                                     

-ALL-                      CN                  --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                  TSA                                     

CX                         TW                  --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                      CN                                   

CX                                             --- --- --- 090 
-ALL-                      CN                                   

-ALL-               KHH                        --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                      CN                                   

-ALL-               TPE                        --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                      CN
                                 

-ALL-               TSA                        --- --- --- 120 
-ALL-                      CN                                   

-ALL-                      CN                  --- --- --- 090 
-ALL-                      TW                                   

-ALL-                      TW                  --- --- --- 090 
-ALL-                      CN                                   

CX 6100-6199                                   --- --- --- 090 
-ALL-                                                           

CX                                             --- --- --- 060 
-ALL-                                                           
                                             
---------------------------------------------------------------

[DD]    Domestic To Domestic      [DEP]   Departure Airport   
[DI]    Domestic To Intl          [ARR]   Arrival Airport     
[ID]    Intl To Domestic          [A/L]   Airline             
[II]    Intl To Intl              [TR]    Terminal             
[EQP W] Wide-Body Aircraft        [EFF]   Effective Date       
[EQP N] Narrow-Body Aircraft      [SUP]   Suppressed/Prohibited
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 12, 2014, 12:09:07 PM
It should work, in theory. But keep in mind that if your incoming flight is delayed, you will be exceedingly screwed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
CX 841 has arrived early on 114 out of its last 125 flights by an average of 20 minutes.

Let's hope the trend continues.

Either way, I'd be screwed with a delay.  Both options of mine ex-HKG, either on CX or SQ, leave at 15:20. If CX won't interline to SQ on two separate tickets, I'd be compelled to choose CX ex-HKG, as I know they'd interline on their own metal. But from what research I've done, and your conrfirmation, it looks like CX will in fact interline to a separate SQ ticket.

Of course, CX isn't obligated to interline on two separate tickets to non-partner carrier SQ, but flying in F, I'm hoping they go the "extra mile." (Pardon the pun.)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 12, 2014, 01:46:34 PM
Either way, I'd be screwed with a delay.

Incorrect. If it's the same ticket, they will hold the connecting flight for you if it's not too much of a delay, especially if you're an F pax.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2014, 01:50:15 PM
Not the same ticket.

JFK-HKG is US award.

HKG-SIN is either a BA award or an SQ award.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 12, 2014, 02:46:59 PM
Not the same ticket.

JFK-HKG is US award.

HKG-SIN is either a BA award or an SQ award.

Ah, yes. In that case you would be, and I quote, "screwed with a delay".
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2014, 09:35:47 PM
Added Shanghai as A380 destination, as well as added a couple other tidbits. Let me know if you see any mistakes (!)

(http://i.gyazo.com/f0373c9646a6d606eced4a391d4f916c.png)

For the same amount of miles, just went from a 12.2 to a 9.36  :D

If only all airlines were as generous and easy to deal as SQ when it comes to changes.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 13, 2014, 07:49:26 PM
Just booked #9 hotel (acc. to TA) in BKK for $28.

Thanks, JJ! (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/55187)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: meshugener on November 13, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
I don't want to make sansantional news out of this, so i'm gonna burry this here.

All those booking Thai J tickets, it might be worth checking out http://www.expedia.co.th/ for the price of your flight - it's sometimes cheaper than the value of miles  ;)

Note, they won't let you book in the 24 hours prior to travel.

Similair thing if booked directly on Thai's website - around half the price of US POS fares.


Of course, remember using card that doesn't charge forex fees.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on November 14, 2014, 02:36:35 PM
I don't want to make sansantional news out of this, so i'm gonna burry this here.

All those booking Thai J tickets, it might be worth checking out http://www.expedia.co.th/ for the price of your flight - it's sometimes cheaper than the value of miles  ;)

Note, they won't let you book in the 24 hours prior to travel.

Similair thing if booked directly on Thai's website - around half the price of US POS fares.


Of course, remember using card that doesn't charge forex fees.
I once flew SQ FRA-JFK one way, booking within 10 hours before the flight. In the GDS, (US POS) its was $2000, on SQ German site it was 400Ä
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 15, 2014, 09:07:20 AM
Sq site is often cheaper than GDS anywhere in the world. Same for CX
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MosheD on November 15, 2014, 01:24:13 PM
Time for an update.

I realized that I must split between hard and soft to be fair:

Hard Product:
1. EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH) (true luxury)
2. LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK) (seat+bed)
3. EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN) (shower is NOT a gimmick)
4. CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR) (This may rise after a true long-haul)
5. OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX) (32 inch IFE is awesome)
6. LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
7. LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
8. TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG)
9. JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
10.LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)

Soft Product:
1.LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
3.CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
4.OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
5.JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)

The only thing that really surprises me is how far down the hard product list JL F is... the only thing I can say in defense is that pitted against any one of the ones I above it, I'd prefer those.
Great list! Really helpful for those of us that dont/can't take like a billion trips.
Has anyone ever posted a list like this for j?
Confession:

Award searching/trip planning for me is like a crawling down a black rabbit hole.

I start, get engrossed, look up after what I think is a half hour, and find out several hours have gone by...  :o

Am I alone?
Same. Dif is I normally don't get anywhere - mostly because I'm too set on getting the most possible bang for my point
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 25, 2014, 08:24:37 AM
I'm flying JFK-HKG-SIN.

If I am on CX F on a US award to HKG, and I'd like to connect to SQ R on an SQ award to SIN, will CX check check my bags through at JFK to SIN?

According to KVS, they do have an interline agreement, but I'd (obv) be on two separate tickets.

[KVS Availability Tool 7.6.1 - Reference: Interline Agreements [IET]: CX] (http://www.KVSTool.com/)
Code: [Select]
ELECTRONIC INTERLINE CARRIER AGREEMENTS-CX                     
 INTERLINE CARRIER CODES                                       
   AA - AB - AC - AE - AF - AH - AI - AM - AP - AS             
   AT - AV - AY - AZ - A3 - BA - BE - BG - BI - BL             
   BP - BR - B6 - B7 - CA - CI - CM - CZ - DL - EI             
   EK - ET - EY - FI - FJ - FM - GA - GF - HA - HG             
   HM - HR - IB - IG - JC - JJ - JL - JO - JP - JQ             
   JU - KA - KC - KE - KL - KM - KQ - KU - LA - LG             
   LH - LO - LP - LR - LX - LY - MD - ME - MF - MH             
   MI - MK - MS - MU - NF - NH - NU - NX - NZ - OA             
   OK - OM - OS - OU - OZ - PG - PK - PR - PS - PX             
   PZ - QF - QR - RA - RJ - SA - SB - SC - SK - SN             
   SQ - SU - SV - SW - S7 - TA - TG - TK - TM - TN             
   TP - TX - UA - UL - UN - US - UU - VA - VN - VS             
   VX - WS - WY - XL - ZH - 2C - 4M - 9B - 9W                   

Success!

Though she needed to call helpdesk to guide her through, CX thru-checked my bags at JFK to HKG-SIN-AKL.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on November 25, 2014, 08:38:35 AM
Have a safe and awesome trip.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 25, 2014, 08:43:19 AM
Amen. Thanks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 25, 2014, 09:05:29 AM
Have a safe and awesome trip.

+1,000,000,000
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on November 25, 2014, 02:15:52 PM
Already waiting for the TR :) Have a great trip.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 26, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
...and so ends what to us was flying nirvana.

Highlights --

CX F JFK-HKG:

--Thru checked out bags to AKL
--Heated our food.
--Bedding was spectacular.
--Service good.
--Finally a flight where we thought we had enough time to do what we wanted to do.
--Up front with us was R' Wilhelm of BKK Backpacker Chabad House fame.

SQ R HKG-SIN:
--Hermolis meal Stir Fry Lamb was excellent.
--Service was excellent.
--Double bed on a 3 hour flight? Yes, ma'am.
--Bumped into Gary in the Private Room (SQ's lounge within a lounge within a lounge).

SQ R SIN-AKL:
--Pleasantly surprised with the "retrofitted" Suites class.
--Hermolis meal was again good.
--Service was simply fantastic. Much, much preferred SQ-style service to CX-style.
--Full-size bottle of Ferragamo cologne/pefume in amenity pack

AKL:

--Through customs without a hitch, bH.

Frankly, I don't know how the past three segments could be topped.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 26, 2014, 07:38:40 PM
Sounds awesome! Waiting patiently for a TR.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2014, 07:41:42 PM
Awesome, been telling you SQ service is just the best in the sky.

Need to combine: SQ service with a CX seat/bed in the SQ enclosed suite for the perfect combo.

Haven't been following the NZ thread, what food did you bring and did they inspect it?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on November 26, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
Nice to hear that a shliach is being treated well. Rabbi Wilhellm is a super shliach and a true inspiration to anyone that knows him. How many hours of travel total?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on November 26, 2014, 08:00:10 PM
Awesome! Maybe our next trip will be on CX and SQ.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 26, 2014, 08:16:36 PM
...and so ends what to us was flying nirvana.

Highlights --

CX F JFK-HKG:

--Thru checked out bags to AKL
--Heated our food.
--Bedding was spectacular.
--Service good.
--Finally a flight where we thought we had enough time to do what we wanted to do.
--Up front with us was R' Wilhelm of BKK Backpacker Chabad House fame.

SQ R HKG-SIN:
--Hermolis meal Stir Fry Lamb was excellent.
--Service was excellent.
--Double bed on a 3 hour flight? Yes, ma'am.
--Bumped into Gary in the Private Room (SQ's lounge within a lounge within a lounge).

SQ R SIN-AKL:
--Pleasantly surprised with the "retrofitted" Suites class.
--Hermolis meal was again good.
--Service was simply fantastic. Much, much preferred SQ-style service to CX-style.
--Full-size bottle of Ferragamo cologne/pefume in amenity pack

AKL:

--Through customs without a hitch, bH.

Frankly, I don't know how the past three segments could be topped.
Nice!  Time to update your Hard/Soft product list.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on November 26, 2014, 08:20:32 PM
Let the TR role, will Mrs AJK report?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on November 26, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
Your bound to meet a Shliach if you are flying this week in the port or the plane :) Really want to try SQ one day..
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on November 26, 2014, 08:53:45 PM
Your bound to meet a Shliach if you are flying this week in the port or the plane :) Really want to try SQ one day..
True, but in F you'll only meet a shliach who has partook in Dans seminar  :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on November 29, 2014, 06:09:02 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/85b52bd824f797bbf31c0f4227bf6b9c.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on November 29, 2014, 06:09:51 PM
Beautiful!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chucksterace on November 29, 2014, 06:11:27 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ual902 on November 29, 2014, 06:29:24 PM
Kia Ora
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on December 01, 2014, 11:41:59 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/85b52bd824f797bbf31c0f4227bf6b9c.jpg)
Can we add this as avavtar to on the road thread
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 03, 2014, 06:06:13 AM
(http://i.gyazo.com/f37302ff60c87ea02228b6a2bc68d44b.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on December 03, 2014, 08:25:40 AM
(http://i.gyazo.com/f37302ff60c87ea02228b6a2bc68d44b.png)
Beautiful, the blueness of the sky totally looks photo shoped.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: sky121 on December 03, 2014, 08:38:06 AM
Looks spectacular. Enjoy!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on December 03, 2014, 11:24:01 AM
Looks spectacular. Enjoy!

+1, where is that?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 03, 2014, 01:35:36 PM
Mitford Sound.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: morgs on December 03, 2014, 01:39:03 PM
Mitford Sound.
Were you there already or still planning?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: gunit770 on December 04, 2014, 04:33:05 PM

Haven't been following the NZ thread, what food did you bring and did they inspect it?

I am leaving soon myself to AU and NZ and would love to know what food you ended up going with.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 06, 2014, 05:17:57 AM
I spoke about it in the NZ thread, but basically:

meat-based POM meals; any meal mart amazing meals (provided bone-in meals comprise less than 2kgs); all types of snacks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 06, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
Lake Matheson, aka Mirror Lake:

(http://i.gyazo.com/466e29a50a1de65d02f1e67c0bc6e59c.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 07, 2014, 11:23:52 AM
Transiting BKK in TG F is simply a dream.

No one does ground service better.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 07, 2014, 11:53:55 AM
Transiting BKK in TG F is simply a dream.

No one does ground service better.
Better than getting picked up planeside by LH, driven to FCT, and driven from FCT to the next plane?
Because of the massage?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 07, 2014, 11:58:44 AM
Nothing to do with massage.

You only get picked up planeside at a remote-stand at FRA. When that happens, they're comparable. LH has the tarmac drive, TG has the private living room + hour massage.

With TG, everything is just seamless, every time. Gate or remote-stand makes no difference.

Full escort, every single step of the way, buggy through airport, fast track through customs, etc etc. From plane to taxi is ~4 mins.

Unheard of. Really makes a difference.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @jack123 on December 07, 2014, 12:03:12 PM
Do you have to be coming in and going out in tg f to get the full service
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on December 07, 2014, 12:26:34 PM
Nothing to do with massage.

You only get picked up planeside at a remote-stand at FRA. When that happens, they're comparable. LH has the tarmac drive, TG has the private living room + hour massage.

With TG, everything is just seamless, every time. Gate or remote-stand makes no difference.

Full escort, every single step of the way, buggy through airport, fast track through customs, etc etc. From plane to taxi is ~4 mins.

Unheard of. Really makes a difference.
TG is awesome in BKK, but my experience with JJ in JFK blew me away.

Didn't touch my carry on or luggage till I arrived home. 

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on December 07, 2014, 12:26:52 PM
Do you have to be coming in and going out in tg f to get the full service

Nothing to do with massage.

You only get picked up planeside at a remote-stand at FRA. When that happens, they're comparable. LH has the tarmac drive, TG has the private living room + hour massage.

With TG, everything is just seamless, every time. Gate or remote-stand makes no difference.

Full escort, every single step of the way, buggy through airport, fast track through customs, etc etc. From plane to taxi is ~4 mins.

Unheard of. Really makes a difference.

It's great but I still prefer LH because of the KSML and awesome Iced Coffee
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 08, 2014, 12:46:52 AM
Well, if I wasn't impressed by TG ground service already:

Flew to HKG in the new A380 and was met on arrival on the jet way in *HKG* by staff with a buggy who drove us all the way to immigration. 

TG does better ground service in a non hub airport than 90% of Airlines do at their hubs.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 11, 2014, 08:45:46 PM
Tougher to do than I'd imagine, and I probably could be convinced to move a couple up or down slightly (likely due to conflating hard v. soft), but here's an update:

Hard Product:

1a.      EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH)
1b.      SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)    
2.     QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)
3.     LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK)
4.     EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN)
5.     CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR, JFK-HKG)
6.     OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
7.     JJ F on 777 (GRU-MIA)
8.     LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
9.     LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
10.   TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG, BKK-HKG)
11.   AA F on 777 (DFW-GRU)
12.   JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
13.   LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)
14.   BA F on 744 (LHR-JFK)
15.   AA F on A321 T (JFK-LAX)
16.   TG F on 747 (old) (SYD-BKK)


Soft Product (limited to 5):
1.   LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.   SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)
3.   LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
4.   CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
5.   QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)

Ground Service (limited to 5):

1.   TG at BKK
2.   LH at FRA
3.   EK at DXB
4.   EY at AUH
5.   SQ at SIN


Top 5 Bucket List (in order):

EY F on A380
GA F on 777
QR F on A380
MU F on 777
KE F on A380
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 11, 2014, 08:55:00 PM
Tougher to do than I'd imagine, and I probably could be convinced to move a couple up or down slightly (likely due to conflating hard v. soft), but here's an update:

Hard Product:

1a.   EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH)
1b.   SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)
2.  QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)
3.  LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK)
4.  EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN)
5.  CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR, JFK-HKG)
6.  OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
7.  JJ F on 777 (GRU-MIA)
8.  LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
9.  LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
10.TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG, BKK-HKG)
11.AA F on 777 (DFW-GRU)
12.JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
13.LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)
14.BA F on 744 (LHR-JFK)
15.AA F on A321 T (JFK-LAX)
16.TG F on 747 (old) (SYD-BKK)


Soft Product (limited to 5):
1.LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)
3.LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
4.CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
5.QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)

Ground Service (limited to 5):

1.TG at BKK
2.LH at FRA
3.EK at DXB
4.EY at AUH
5.SQ at SIN


Top 5 Bucket List (in order):

EY F on A380
GA F on 777
QR F on A380
MU F on 777
KE F on A380


Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 11, 2014, 08:57:23 PM
Did you ever do EY 777? Is it the same product as the A346?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 11, 2014, 08:58:17 PM
Did you ever do EY 777? Is it the same product as the A346?

Same product, yep.

Just make sure you don't get a wet-leased plane from 9W.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 11, 2014, 08:58:55 PM
Same product, yep.

Just make sure you don't get a wet-leased plane from 9W.
I checked, I'm on EY metal. Thanks
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 03:31:48 PM
Tougher to do than I'd imagine, and I probably could be convinced to move a couple up or down slightly (likely due to conflating hard v. soft), but here's an update:

Hard Product:

1a.      EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH)
1b.      SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)    
2.     QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)
3.     LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK)
4.     EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN)
5.     CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR, JFK-HKG)
6.     OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
7.     JJ F on 777 (GRU-MIA)
8.     LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
9.     LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
10.   TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG, BKK-HKG)
11.   AA F on 777 (DFW-GRU)
12.   JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
13.   LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)
14.   BA F on 744 (LHR-JFK)
15.   AA F on A321 T (JFK-LAX)
16.   TG F on 747 (old) (SYD-BKK)


Soft Product (limited to 5):
1.   LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.   SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)
3.   LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
4.   CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
5.   QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)

Ground Service (limited to 5):

1.   TG at BKK
2.   LH at FRA
3.   EK at DXB
4.   EY at AUH
5.   SQ at SIN


Top 5 Bucket List (in order):

EY F on A380
GA F on 777
QR F on A380
MU F on 777
KE F on A380

I must admit, I thought I'd get at least a bit of pushback on the rankings here.

Did I nail them to such a degree?  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 03:35:10 PM
Fiiiiiine.
There's no way CX hard product can be 6th when they have the most comfortable seat and bed in the sky, bar none.

And there's no way an LH crew can beat an SQ crew except for the fact that they bribed you with Blue Label.  The SQ crew would love to do that as well, but they would either lose their right hand or be shot for doing that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
Fiiiiiine.
There's no way CX hard product can be 6th when they have the most comfortable seat and bed in the sky, bar none.

And there's no way an LH crew can beat an SQ crew except for the fact that they bribed you with Blue Label.  The SQ crew would love to do that as well, but they would either lose their right hand or be shot for doing that.

Finally :)

The reason CX is #6 is not because they don't have an extremely comfortable bed and a super-wide seat. The reason they're #6 is because is because my list ranks the *entire* hard product, including the plane, the refinement of the cabin, the ambiance, the tech, the IFE, the amenities, etc.

Here's a few reasons why it falls to my mind:

A380 >>> 777
Shower > no shower
Doors > no doors
Large TV > small TV
New cabin > old cabin (almost always, anyway)

And you can confirm with Mrs. AJK. We were blown away with the service on that LH flight well before they gave me any alcohol, which was given to us basically on our way out.  Ever had an LH F FA bend down at every-single interaction? Put your slippers on for you? Know when to bother you, know when not to? Assist with bags? Yeah, that was this flight.

If I had that crew on every flight I ever took from this point forward, I'd be a pig in... mud.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 04:07:30 PM
Finally :)

The reason CX is #6 is not because they don't have an extremely comfortable bed and a super-wide seat. The reason they're #6 is because is because my list ranks the *entire* hard product, including the plane, the refinement of the cabin, the ambiance, the tech, the IFE, the amenities, etc.

Here's a few reasons why it falls to my mind:

A380 >>> 777
Shower > no shower
Doors > no doors
Large TV > small TV
New cabin > old cabin (almost always, anyway)
All niceties. Bonuses. Perhaps even gimmicks, but granted, fun ones.

But ultimately 2 things matter on a plane for hard product.  How comfy is the seat? How sleepable is the bed?
And nobody can beat CX there.

And you can confirm with Mrs. AJK. We were blown away with the service on that LH flight well before they gave me any alcohol, which was given to us basically on our way out.  Ever had an LH F FA bend down at every-single interaction? Put your slippers on for you? Know when to bother you, know when not to? Assist with bags? Yeah, that was this flight.

If I had that crew on every flight I ever took from this point forward, I'd be a pig in... mud.
Pretty much been that way with every SQ crew I've had. And I've flown SQ in R, J, and Y.
Can't beat SQ crew.  Though granted, they're not handing out Blue Label ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 04:17:39 PM
All niceties. Bonuses. Perhaps even gimmicks, but granted, fun ones.

But ultimately 2 things matter on a plane for hard product.  How comfy is the seat? How sleepable is the bed?
And nobody can beat CX there.

Actually, I wouldn't call any of the things I listed gimmicks. Not one.

And ff this were a ranking of only the seat itself, it'd rank hire, yep.

But, it's more than that. And, to me, a factor is excitement. Out of all of them, which I most excited to fly again.

And undoubtedly, the answer to that question puts CX at #6. It's with esteemed company, but #6 nonetheless.

Pretty much been that way with every SQ crew I've had. And I've flown SQ in R, J, and Y.
Can't beat SQ crew.  Though granted, they're not handing out Blue Label ;)

Haven't flown them in Y, and only in R twice, and they're definitely top-shelf. But just like in college basketball, any team can beat any other team on a given day. And LH did just that on that flight.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 04:28:53 PM
Obviously a shower on a plane is exciting.  Though I still say it's in the realm of a realm cool gimmick.  One I want to try no doubt, but not the flight I'd pick if I had to commute around the world every week.

To say a shower on a big plane makes for a better hard product than CX, when both the seat and bed pale in comparison, is in interesting take.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 04:35:23 PM
Again, it's not just the shower.

It's the fact that it's a much larger and quieter plane, it has the shower (which you'll hopefully one day see is NOT a gimmick), it has a larger and better IFE, it has doors, etc etc.

All considered, EK gets the nod... and that's before the fact that I'd sooner fly EK again than CX, all things equal.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on December 17, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
The big bathroom is more helpful than the shower. Cx is quite annoying in that aspect.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 04:54:42 PM
The big bathroom is more helpful than the shower. Cx is quite annoying in that aspect.

Meant to finish my post with that. Doh.

"And just thinking about the tiny bathroom on the CX 777 makes me shudder."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 04:58:33 PM
Bigger on the 747 ;)
Don't know how that row 1 isn't on your list.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Bigger on the 747 ;)
Don't know how that row 1 isn't on your list.

BTDT
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 05:05:35 PM
Huh? Then where is it on your list?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 05:07:52 PM
Huh? Then where is it on your list?

Here :)

14.   BA F on 744 (LHR-JFK)

Seats 1A and 1K :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
Meh. BA F is a glorified J ;)
Get back to me when you do it on CX.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 17, 2014, 05:13:10 PM
Meh. BA F is a glorified J ;)
Get back to me when you do it on CX.

I agree, but it's still seats 1 A/K on the 744 :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on December 17, 2014, 05:26:11 PM


Pretty much been that way with every SQ crew I've had. And I've flown SQ in R, J, and Y.
Can't beat SQ crew.  Though granted, they're not handing out Blue Label ;)

Had a trip once where outbound I got upgraded at the Lounge to LH J, and my return was SQ Y. Said then, liked better the service in SQ Y then in LH J, and yes, the FA on SQ bend down when talking to me.
The flight after that, was SQ R, and as the entire crew came to say hello, I told the In-flight-manager that I flew SQ Y, and the service was great, he replied "you ain't seen nothing yet..."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2014, 05:41:22 PM
Yup, SQ Y crew kills most J and even some F crews.
Definitely beat the LH F crew I had.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 18, 2014, 05:21:20 PM
Ah, they continue to dazzle, with what I believe is the first or second F product on the 787 (with BA being the other):

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2014, 08:14:42 PM
EY F on A380

(http://i.gyazo.com/eb0860b25d74718a625ef2a0d3e59317.png)

If there was even a single day with AA F availability between JFK<>LHR, I'd be able to check this off the 'ol bucket list.

Darn you AA with your lack of NYLON F availability.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 23, 2014, 08:18:59 PM
(http://i.gyazo.com/eb0860b25d74718a625ef2a0d3e59317.png)

If there was even a single day with AA F availability between JFK<>LHR, I'd be able to check this off the 'ol bucket list.

Darn you AA with your lack of NYLON F availability.
What's the Guest first? The apartment?
What's the First suite saver? And why is it so much more expensive than the Guest first?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2014, 08:19:23 PM
Bingo. (At least on the A380.)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 23, 2014, 08:20:53 PM
Bingo. (At least on the A380.)
So the apartment is bookable with points?  CC @ilherman
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2014, 08:21:48 PM
One seat has been bookable for a few weeks. Now two seats are, which wasn't the case until recently AFAIK.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 23, 2014, 08:22:44 PM
One seat has been bookable for a few weeks. Now two seats are, which wasn't the case until recently AFAIK.
Darn it! Now I must redo my trip which is set for February.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2014, 08:23:58 PM
Darn it! Now I must redo my trip which is set for February.

Itinerary?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 23, 2014, 08:24:56 PM
Itinerary?
TLV AMN AUH NYC. I'll change it to TLV AMN AUH LHR NYC
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2014, 08:26:03 PM
TLV AMN AUH NYC. I'll change it to TLV AMN AUH LHR NYC

Will be stuck paying BA YQ...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 23, 2014, 08:27:30 PM
Will be stuck paying BA YQ...
Won't the LHR to New York be a separate ticket anyways? And if yes I could always take United
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 23, 2014, 08:29:24 PM
Won't the LHR to New York be a separate ticket anyways? And if yes I could always take United

Doesn't have to be a separate ticket.

Can be ME-EU-USA on one AA award ticket.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 23, 2014, 08:30:42 PM
Doesn't have to be a separate ticket.

Can be ME-EU-USA on one AA award ticket.
Nice! How many points if F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on December 23, 2014, 08:33:37 PM
Won't the LHR to New York be a separate ticket anyways? And if yes I could always take United
Then you'll have to pay UK tax. Rather stay with BA F (availability is good) and get it on one award with AA.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: harrym on December 24, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
Will be stuck paying BA YQ...

About $350. Not too terrible if your adamant on flying the apartment, and still pennies vs. the real value.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 24, 2014, 01:58:32 PM
About $350. Not too terrible if your adamant on flying the apartment, and still pennies vs. the real value.

You sure? I thought it was close to $550.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 24, 2014, 02:15:59 PM
You sure? I thought it was close to $550.
Yes. YMMV
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: harrym on December 24, 2014, 02:21:27 PM
You sure? I thought it was close to $550.
That's including the UK tax. But stopping on the way from TLV doesn't pay that.
 
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on December 24, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
IMHO there is no point as a couple to fly in the apartments. Am I wrong?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 24, 2014, 05:45:17 PM
Course you are ;)

Can almost cuddle!

(http://www.newspakistan.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bedroom-etihad.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on December 24, 2014, 06:21:26 PM
Course you are ;)

Can almost cuddle!

(http://www.newspakistan.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bedroom-etihad.png)
I was waiting for such kind of pic. Never knew that this is the case. Thought its individual closed suited.

But this is nice. Though they made sure to put a wall in the middle that can't be removed  ;) hence you can almost....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on December 30, 2014, 12:04:40 AM
When can we expect TR?

forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33867.msg669659#msg669659, just went through 5 pages of excellent trip planning for SA. This would be a great TR to write now, for everyone planning trip there now.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: cholent on December 30, 2014, 12:06:34 AM
Course you are ;)

Can almost cuddle!

(http://www.newspakistan.pk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/bedroom-etihad.png)

With a pic like that, now I'll need to add to my to-do list!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33867.msg669659#msg669659, just went through 5 pages of excellent trip planning for SA. This would be a great TR to write now, for everyone planning trip there now.

Mrs. AJK is about to finish DXB/SIN/DPS, and I'm in the middle of continuing AKL.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 11:37:08 AM
Hypothetically -- if you were doing SYD and BOB in one trip, which would do you first and why?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 30, 2014, 11:40:02 AM
Hypothetically -- if you were doing SYD and BOB in one trip, which would do you first and why?
SYD so you can veg out in BOB.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 30, 2014, 11:40:16 AM
Hypothetically -- if you were doing SYD and BOB in one trip, which would do you first and why?
SYD, better equipment, Fly F on a much longer flight
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 11:40:38 AM
SYD so you can veg out in BOB.

Yeah. Was leaning that way myself.

Just wanted to throw it out there in case I was missing something.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 11:41:00 AM
SYD, better equipment, Fly F on a much longer flight

Actually, this may be an award in business  :o :o
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on December 30, 2014, 11:47:52 AM
Mrs. AJK is about to finish DXB/SIN/DPS, and I'm in the middle of continuing AKL.

So I'll stick to your planning pages for now. We would like to fly to MQP and tour kruger from there, but flights there and back would add about 175 per person to the trip. We only have a day and a half set aside for kruger.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 11:48:55 AM
So I'll stick to your planning pages for now. We would like to fly to MQP and tour kruger from there, but flights there and back would add about 175 per person to the trip. We only have a day and a half set aside for kruger.

With only a day and half at kruger, you have no option but to splurge on flights. Time spent driving would eviscerate anything you had in MQP.

No way to extend time there?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on December 30, 2014, 11:50:39 AM
With only a day and half at kruger, you have no option but to splurge on flights. Time spent driving would eviscerate anything you had in MQP.

No way to extend time there?

Plan is to arrive on Tuesday evening, fly that night to CPT. Stay in CPT Tuesday night till Friday morning, fly to JNB for Shabbos, and sunday head out to Kruger. Our return flight is Monday night from JNB.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 11:55:55 AM
Plan is to arrive on Tuesday evening, fly that night to CPT. Stay in CPT Tuesday night till Friday morning, fly to JNB for Shabbos, and sunday head out to Kruger. Our return flight is Monday night from JNB.

We did a similar itinerary, just with a bit more time on either end:

Depart Sun from JFK, arrive in CPT by Tues at 4pm.
Tues-Fri in CPT.
Shabbas in JNB.
Sun morn-Tues afternoon in Kruger.
Depart JNB Tues night.


Travel time to CPT and AKL are killers.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on December 30, 2014, 11:59:02 AM
Travel time to CPT and AKL are killers.
I'd say that's another benefit of being in LAX: only 13 hours non-stop to AKL. CPT on the other hand is awful.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on December 30, 2014, 12:04:47 PM
We did a similar itinerary, just with a bit more time on last end:

Depart Sun from JFK, arrive in CPT by Tues at 4pm.
Tues-Fri in CPT.
Shabbas in JNB.
Sun morn-Tues afternoon in Kruger.
Depart JNB Tues night.


Travel time to CPT and AKL are killers.

FTFY. We are also arriving about same time on Tuesday in JNB. Yes we can really use that extra day in MQP but no changes to the ticket now. Oh forgot to mention this is all in Y :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 12:10:38 PM
I'd say that's another benefit of being in LAX: only 13 hours non-stop to AKL. CPT on the other hand is awful.
Biggest benefit of LAX is proximity to HI.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on December 30, 2014, 12:19:14 PM
Biggest benefit of LAX is proximity to HI.
Right. 20 days and counting....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 12:24:20 PM
Option 1:

Weds, LAX-PPT, TN 7, 16:30-21:50, Business
--overnight in PPT--
Thurs, PPT-BOB, VT 487, 08:30-09:20, Coach
--4 days in BOB--
Sun, BOB-PPT, VT 437, 19:55-20:45, Coach
--overnight in PPT--
Mon, PPT-AKL, TN 101, 07:40-11:35, Business
Mon, AKL-SYD, ??, ??, ??
--6/7 days in SYD/MEL--
Sun/Mon, SYD-LAX, VA 1, 23:40-06:30, Business

Option 2:

Tues/Weds, LAX-SYD, VA 2, 19:50--7:50 +2, Business
--4/5 days in SYD/MEL--
Tues, SYD-AKL, ??, ??, ??
Tues, AKL-PPT, TN 102, 17:05-22:55, Business
--overnight in PPT--
Weds, PPT-BOB, VT 402, 07:50-08:40, Coach
--5 days in BOB--
Sun, BOB-PPT, VT 437, 19:55-20:45, Coach
Sun, PPT-LAX, 23:59-11:15 +1, TN 8, Business

Even though I think I'd prefer SYD then BOB, the availability and routings make the BOB then SYD (option 1) trip look more appealing, no?

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=lax-ppt-akl-syd-lax&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=540x540&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 12:27:07 PM
You can't possibly do SYD+MEL properly in under 7 days, so that's your answer I guess.
Even 7 days is aggressive.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 12:28:00 PM
You can't possibly do SYD+MEL properly in under 7 days, so that's your answer I guess.

I'd be happy to do one or the other + whitsundays or GBR or the like.

Not dead set on doing both. After doing AKL, I know better than to try to bite off more than I can chew.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 12:36:59 PM
I'd be happy to do one or the other + whitsundays or GBR or the like.

Not dead set on doing both. After doing AKL, I know better than to try to bite off more than I can chew.
Lol, just wait until you have 2 solid weeks?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 12:39:59 PM
Lol, just wait until you have 2 solid weeks?

That'll happen just around the same time it does for you :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 30, 2014, 12:44:27 PM
That'll happen just around the same time it does for you :P
With a week you can cover 2 places, take your pick.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on December 30, 2014, 03:16:06 PM
Actually, this may be an award in business  :o :o
I would expect you to fly to SYD via HKG on CX  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 03:16:43 PM
I would expect you to fly to SYD via HKG on CX  ;)

I value non-stop travel more than F this time around :)

Besides, no F on HKG<>SYD.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on December 30, 2014, 03:18:53 PM
I value non-stop travel more than F this time around :)

Besides, no F on HKG<>SYD.
I thought you would travel forever as long as you could stay in F. ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 03:20:23 PM
I thought you would travel forever as long as you could stay in F. ;)

If I had no time constraints? Definitely.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on December 30, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
If I had no time constraints? Definitely.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 30, 2014, 04:04:30 PM
If I had no time constraints? Definitely.
really seems like you have pretty tough time constraints
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 04:05:51 PM
really seems like you have pretty tough time constraints

Touche. But despite what you're implying, having 2 weeks to travel across the world, literally, is a constraint.

To properly do AKL, for example, you really need, I'd say, 6 weeks... two doesn't even come close.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 30, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
Touche. But despite what you're implying, having 2 weeks to travel across the world, literally, is a constraint.

To properly do AKL, for example, you really need, I'd say, 6 weeks... two doesn't even come close.
this is a few weeks after you picked up and went to brazil, dallas, and wherever else you went.
some of us work for companies with a set amount of off days to use on yuntif and any extra days we need
so please, dont complain about time constraints as we salivate over your TRs  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 30, 2014, 04:12:48 PM
this is a few weeks after you picked up and went to brazil, dallas, and wherever else you went.
some of us work for companies with a set amount of off days to use on yuntif and any extra days we need
so please, dont complain about time constraints as we salivate over your TRs  :D

I certainly don't want to come across as ungrateful; if I have, I apologize.

I'm simply trying to acknowledge that when traveling to some of these places, one needs more than 9-10 days on the ground to adequately experience them. But, absolutely, I'll take 9-10 days if the alternative is 0 days.

Sorry again if I came across as an entitled-pr*ck.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 30, 2014, 04:14:10 PM
I certainly don't want to come across as ungrateful; if I have, I apologize.

I'm simply trying to acknowledge that when traveling to some of these places, one needs more than 9-10 days on the ground to adequately experience them. But, absolutely, I'll take 9-10 days if the alternative is 0 days.

Sorry again if I came across as an entitled-pr*ck.
you didnt, i meant all my comments in a nice, (jealous), fashion
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MC on December 30, 2014, 04:14:41 PM
@AJK - don't listen to the haters.
Some of us actually love traveling the world vicariously through your TRs.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 30, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
@AJK - don't listen to the haters.
Some of us actually love traveling the world vicariously through your TRs.
i said i wasnt being a hater
im looking forward to hearing and seeing about BOB
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 31, 2014, 07:05:24 PM
Two disconnected calls, three hours of research, four hours on the phone with Delta, five reservation agents, deleting legs, ticketing, adding the legs back, and then reticketing right as the window to book this type of ticket closes forever, and it's done.

All in business except for the first JFK-LAX leg.

4 days in BOB and 7 days in MEL.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-lax-ppt-akl-mel-syd-lax&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on December 31, 2014, 07:10:52 PM
Congrats! Did you guarantee an OWB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on December 31, 2014, 07:12:03 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on December 31, 2014, 07:12:13 PM
Amazing! MEL or BOB first?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 31, 2014, 07:12:59 PM
Congrats! Did you guarantee an OWB?

OWB? What's that?

Amazing! MEL or BOB first?

BOB.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on December 31, 2014, 07:14:12 PM
OWB? What's that?

BOB.
Over Water Bungalow.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 31, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
Over Water Bungalow.

Was kidding. No, haven't dealt with accommodations yet.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on December 31, 2014, 07:17:26 PM
Was kidding. No, haven't dealt with accommodations yet.
Figured  :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 31, 2014, 07:21:52 PM
Figured  :D

But considering IC Thalasso doesn't have a single award night available for the whole of 2015 after Feb 9, I may be in a tent :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on December 31, 2014, 07:26:35 PM
I'm waiting to see a great circle mapper map of your upcoming trip tomorrow :D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 31, 2014, 07:27:44 PM
I'm waiting to see a great circle mapper map of your upcoming trip tomorrow :D

Your wish is my command:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ewr-ord-ewr&MS=wls&MR=120&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on December 31, 2014, 07:31:01 PM
Your wish is my command:

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ewr-ord-ewr&MS=wls&MR=120&MX=720x360&PM=*)
It's much easier to relate to it now that I can visualize it, thanks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on December 31, 2014, 07:35:47 PM
OWB? What's that?
LOVE. No joke, I'm smiling.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on December 31, 2014, 07:42:25 PM
Two disconnected calls, three hours of research, four hours on the phone with Delta, five reservation agents, deleting legs, ticketing, adding the legs back, and then reticketing right as the window to book this type of ticket closes forever, and it's done.

All in business except for the first JFK-LAX leg.

4 days in BOB and 7 days in MEL.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-lax-ppt-akl-mel-syd-lax&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Points used and how many?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: bubble347 on December 31, 2014, 07:48:33 PM
Points used and how many?
Delta 160,000?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on December 31, 2014, 07:49:41 PM
Yep. 160K DL p/p.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on December 31, 2014, 08:53:00 PM
Nice!

You're going to feel, exactly, what we guys who generally fly business class feel when we fly economy  ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on December 31, 2014, 09:51:50 PM
It's much easier to relate to it now that I can visualize it, thanks.

Agree, so much of a difference the map makes. Have a great trip.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 09:24:26 AM
Nice!

You're going to feel, exactly, what we guys who generally fly business class feel when we fly economy  ;D

:)


Agree, so much of a difference the map makes. Have a great trip.

I tend to think so, but I get the feeling he was being facetious.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 01, 2015, 09:28:59 AM
But considering IC Thalasso doesn't have a single award night available for the whole of 2015 after Feb 9, I may be in a tent :)
Why makes me go ??? because I believe you told me the whole appeal of BOB and MLE over other islands is the OWB. I thought you would never book a trip out there if you didn't have the accomodations first.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 09:33:58 AM
Newark Airport's version of TSA Pre in Terminal A.

Pitiful.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: lunatic on January 01, 2015, 09:37:17 AM
Yeah,  southwest does that in BOS too
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 09:46:26 AM
Why makes me go ??? because I believe you told me the whole appeal of BOB and MLE over other islands is the OWB. I thought you would never book a trip out there if you didn't have the accomodations first.

Something will work out.  Pulling this award off is probably ~3x as hard as finding 4 nights in BOB in OWB.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 01, 2015, 11:28:28 AM
Something will work out.  Pulling this award off is probably ~3x as hard as finding 4 nights in BOB in OWB.
Hope so :)
My second Q is, obviously this award is hard to piece together, but why is it more desirable than flying QF F and some sort of F to/from LA?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on January 01, 2015, 11:31:16 AM
I can't wait for QF F to open up.....  :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 01, 2015, 11:33:09 AM
I can't wait for QF F to open up.....  :P
Oh, that's why? Got it. So DL J is the nicest way to get to AUS/NZ/BOB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 01, 2015, 12:36:25 PM
He's not flying DL ::)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 01, 2015, 12:43:57 PM
He's not flying DL ::)
Oh awkward. Didn't realize there were any special uses for DL points. I thought they're just terrible and that's it. Such a n00b when it comes to award hacks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 01, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
Oh awkward. Didn't realize there were any special uses for DL points. I thought they're just terrible and that's it. Such a n00b when it comes to award hacks.
It's not a hack they are past of the sky team alliance, the third of the major alliances so you can book on any sky team carrier, as well as any other partner airlines they have
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 01, 2015, 12:50:41 PM
It's not a hack they are past of the sky team alliance, the third of the major alliances so you can book on any sky team carrier, as well as any other partner airlines they have
I didn't mean hack - wrong word. I meant knowing things like when it's better to use DL points to fly a partner vs using KLM to book that route vs AS to book that route, etc.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 02:23:17 PM
Hope so :)
My second Q is, obviously this award is hard to piece together, but why is it more desirable than flying QF F and some sort of F to/from LA?

Two things:

1) On a relative basis, I'd argue this is the single most valuable award on DL's chart.
2) QF doesn't fly to PPT. And even if it did, this would be 2, or even three separate awards.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on January 01, 2015, 02:26:30 PM
Two things:

1) On a relative basis, I'd argue this is the single most valuable award on DL's chart.
2) QF doesn't fly to PPT. And even if it did, this would be 2, or even three separate awards.
Are you on DL or VA on SYD-LAX?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 01, 2015, 02:27:06 PM
Two things:

1) On a relative basis, I'd argue this is the single most valuable award on DL's chart.
2) QF doesn't fly to PPT. And even if it did, this would be 2, or even three separate awards.
Gotcha, so as I as I said above, I just don't know award chart discrepancies well. (Yes, I know there's a thread.)

What airlines are you flying?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 02:31:43 PM
6 suite nights at PH MEL confirmed.

AXON award confirmed at HH BOB (as a backup).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
Are you on DL or VA on SYD-LAX?

VA.

Gotcha, so as I as I said above, I just don't know award chart discrepancies well. (Yes, I know there's a thread.)

What airlines are you flying?

DL/TN/TN/VA/VA/VA/DL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 01, 2015, 02:35:01 PM
You're not going GOR?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 02:45:27 PM
You're not going GOR?

May end up shortening, but does staying at the PH MEL preclude GOR?

(I have no idea.)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on January 01, 2015, 02:54:00 PM
Yes
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 02:55:41 PM
Not sure why you say that... based on my limited 37 second research, looks like tours depart MEL for GOR every day and return same day...

Quote
Tours
There are plenty of tour companies offering day tours of the road out of Melbourne. These generally depart at 7.30-8am and return 7-8pm. It's a long day, but if you have limited time it is your best option. You can book these through your hotel or at the Visitor centre at Federation Square.

Another great way to see the Great Ocean Road is to take a trip seated on the back of a Harley Davidson Motorcycle. Yes, its different and no its not anything like you would expect. There are several Harley Ride Operators in Melbourne

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Travel-g255100-c81866/Melbourne:Australia:Great.Ocean.Road.html

Definitely may have to try that Harley method :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 01, 2015, 03:47:02 PM
You wouldn't get very far doing it as a day trip. And you of all people would be the last who I would think would do it with a trip group
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 01, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
You wouldn't get very far doing it as a day trip. And you of all people would be the last who I would think would do it with a trip group

Yeah, could be you're right. Like I said, I may end up shortening, but wanted to lock it down either way.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on January 01, 2015, 04:14:46 PM
GOR is NOT a day trip.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 04, 2015, 11:51:15 PM
Red = Main award is TLV for Sukkos; Green = Free one-way several months earlier

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=color:green,+lih-hnl-ewr,+color:red,+jfk-ist-tlv,+tlv-ewr&MS=bm&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 04, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
Red = Main award is TLV for Sukkos; Green = Free one-way several months earlier

Mazel Tov! AJK finally booked himself a trip to Hawaii ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 12:01:26 AM
Mazel Tov! AJK finally booked himself a trip to Hawaii ;D

After the way you've been talking about it... how could I not?  :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 05, 2015, 12:02:22 AM
After the way you've been talking about it... how could I not?  :)

8)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on January 05, 2015, 12:10:48 AM
Red = Main award is TLV for Sukkos; Green = Free one-way several months earlier

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=color:green,+lih-hnl-ewr,+color:red,+jfk-ist-tlv,+tlv-ewr&MS=bm&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)

You mean later?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on January 05, 2015, 12:13:05 AM
You mean later?
Can have the free leg before.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 12:14:05 AM
You mean later?

Nope. It's before.

LIH-HNL-EWR // JFK-IST-TLV // TLV-EWR
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on January 05, 2015, 12:15:13 AM
Nope. It's before.

LIH-HNL-EWR // JFK-IST-TLV // TLV-EWR

When is the HI part?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 12:15:58 AM
When is the HI part?

Feb, IYH.
Title: Re: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 05, 2015, 07:59:27 AM
Am I a bad person for hating AJK?
Title: Re: Re: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2015, 08:02:47 AM
Am I a bad person for hating AJK?

Uch. I hate you.
Title: Re: Re: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 05, 2015, 08:17:08 AM
Two disconnected calls, three hours of research, four hours on the phone with Delta, five reservation agents, deleting legs, ticketing, adding the legs back, and then reticketing right as the window to book this type of ticket closes forever, and it's done.

All in business except for the first JFK-LAX leg.

4 days in BOB and 7 days in MEL.
How much per/hr is your time worth?
Title: Re: Re: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on January 05, 2015, 08:35:33 AM
Red = Main award is TLV for Sukkos

Mazel tov! You've been penciled into our calendar already.  :D
Title: Re: Re: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2015, 08:39:31 AM
How much per/hr is your time worth?
its about the journey more then the destination.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25148.0
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: voldemort on January 05, 2015, 02:35:30 PM
...and so ends what to us was flying nirvana.

Highlights --

CX F JFK-HKG:

--Thru checked out bags to AKL
--Heated our food.
--Bedding was spectacular.
--Service good.
--Finally a flight where we thought we had enough time to do what we wanted to do.
--Up front with us was R' Wilhelm of BKK Backpacker Chabad House fame.

SQ R HKG-SIN:
--Hermolis meal Stir Fry Lamb was excellent.
--Service was excellent.
--Double bed on a 3 hour flight? Yes, ma'am.
--Bumped into Gary in the Private Room (SQ's lounge within a lounge within a lounge).

SQ R SIN-AKL:
--Pleasantly surprised with the "retrofitted" Suites class.
--Hermolis meal was again good.
--Service was simply fantastic. Much, much preferred SQ-style service to CX-style.
--Full-size bottle of Ferragamo cologne/pefume in amenity pack

AKL:

--Through customs without a hitch, bH.

Frankly, I don't know how the past three segments could be topped.
Was this you?
http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea.com/2015/01/05/inside-exclusive-singapore-airline-private-room-first-class-lounge/#more-29570

"Just before heading out of the lounge I ran into some blog readers and we chatted for a bit."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 05, 2015, 02:39:08 PM
Maybe  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: voldemort on January 05, 2015, 02:42:46 PM
Maybe  ;)
Always good to connect the dots,in a non creepy way :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 07, 2015, 02:49:57 PM
http://www.ausbt.com.au/the-airbus-a350-s-secret-loft-where-cabin-crew-relax-and-sleep

I never understood this --

Flight attendants aren't expected to be and stay awake on a long-haul?

My employer expects me to stay awake for my 12 hour workday; why's it different for FAs?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 07, 2015, 02:58:26 PM
http://www.ausbt.com.au/the-airbus-a350-s-secret-loft-where-cabin-crew-relax-and-sleep

I never understood this --

Flight attendants aren't expected to be and stay awake on a long-haul?

My employer expects me to stay awake for my 12 hour workday; why's it different for FAs?
well after your 12 hour workday, you get a week off
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 07, 2015, 03:01:13 PM
well after your 12 hour workday, you get a week off

I think you have me confused with FAs who often get a couple days off after each long-haul...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 07, 2015, 03:09:15 PM
I think you have me confused with FAs who often get a couple days off after each long-haul...
or im confusing you with the guy who frequently posts his round the world trips ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mochada on January 07, 2015, 03:10:04 PM
http://www.ausbt.com.au/the-airbus-a350-s-secret-loft-where-cabin-crew-relax-and-sleep

I never understood this --

Flight attendants aren't expected to be and stay awake on a long-haul?

My employer expects me to stay awake for my 12 hour workday; why's it different for FAs?

Why not become an FA? You won't have to use points to travel.
I think people would believe you then if you said you had a job.  :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 07, 2015, 03:10:52 PM
or im confusing you with the guy who frequently posts his round the world trips ;)


Sure, but I don't sleep when I'm working...

Why not become an FA? You won't have to use points to travel.

AND I'd get to sleep on the job!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 07, 2015, 03:11:48 PM
I think people would believe you then if you said you had a job.  :P
haha
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on January 07, 2015, 03:12:31 PM
http://www.ausbt.com.au/the-airbus-a350-s-secret-loft-where-cabin-crew-relax-and-sleep

I never understood this --

Flight attendants aren't expected to be and stay awake on a long-haul?

My employer expects me to stay awake for my 12 hour workday; why's it different for FAs?

You obviously aren't part of a union :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on January 07, 2015, 04:07:31 PM
I think you have me confused with FAs who often get a couple days off after each long-haul...
+1
CX FA told me she gets 3-6 days off between shifts.

I can also smile for 16 hours after sleeping 6 days.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on January 07, 2015, 04:15:52 PM
+1
CX FA told me she gets 3-6 days off between shifts.

I can also smile for 16 hours after sleeping 6 days.
i dont envy that life
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: itsyehuda on January 11, 2015, 04:39:27 PM
AJK you should fly with Lucky on the empty A350
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 11, 2015, 04:43:07 PM
AJK you should fly with Lucky on the empty A350

If I had my passport, I'd be booking as we speak ;)

Though, to be honest, I give him terrible odds on actually getting on that flight.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on January 11, 2015, 05:26:17 PM
If I had my passport, I'd be booking as we speak ;)

Though, to be honest, I give him terrible odds on actually getting on that flight.
lesson learned: always keep your passport with you, you never know where you might end up
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 11, 2015, 05:34:43 PM
Indeed :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 04:55:14 PM
$40K on Surpass = two full years of HH Diamond.

(http://i.gyazo.com/a9e1ac64980b2f44dd41fc622f6cdb2a.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on January 14, 2015, 05:34:14 PM
$40K on Surpass = two full years of HH Diamond.

(http://i.gyazo.com/a9e1ac64980b2f44dd41fc622f6cdb2a.png)
What a waste of $40k spending.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on January 14, 2015, 05:36:43 PM
$40K on Surpass = two full years of HH Diamond.

(http://i.gyazo.com/a9e1ac64980b2f44dd41fc622f6cdb2a.png)
I find it unbelievable that you only started this game 3 years ago (I'm assuming), and amassed the amount of knowledge that you know.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
What a waste of $40k spending.

...to your apparently inexperienced and/or adolescent view :)

$40K x 6 =240K HH=.0019 per point. Which means ~$140/night at the Conrad MLE.

I'll buy HH at that price all day.

Diamond is just gravy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2015, 05:58:16 PM
I find it unbelievable that you only started this game 3 years ago (I'm assuming), and amassed the amount of knowledge that you know.

Well, I'll take the compliment. Thanks :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 20, 2015, 07:30:49 PM
SFO777 is a rockstar.

Dude travels in F about 10x the amount Lucky does.

Slated for 2015:

LX F: ZRH-ORD (very difficult to book without status)
UA F: SFO-ICN-SFO, SFO-ICN-ICN
EK F: SFO-DXB-CPT-DXB-SFO
LH F: ORD-FRA-ORD
QF F: DFW-SYD (must be paid, nearly impossible to snag an award)
SQ R: AKL-SIN-FRA-JFK (lotto award)

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on January 20, 2015, 10:19:11 PM
SFO777 is a rockstar.

Dude travels in F about 10x the amount Lucky does.

Slated for 2015:

LX F: ZRH-ORD (very difficult to book without status) -1, it seems if you can get the right rep it can be done.
UA F: SFO-ICN-SFO, SFO-ICN-ICN
EK F: SFO-DXB-CPT-DXB-SFO
LH F: ORD-FRA-ORD
QF F: DFW-SYD (must be paid, nearly impossible to snag an award) -1, very easy with the BA trick.
SQ R: AKL-SIN-FRA-JFK (lotto award)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 20, 2015, 11:38:42 PM
Which is why I didn't say impossible ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on January 20, 2015, 11:44:46 PM
But why would you assume he paid for it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 20, 2015, 11:47:04 PM
Between that and the LX... it's not inconceivable.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on January 21, 2015, 12:19:30 AM
If my memory serves me right, he admitted in one of his posts that some of his trips are revenue fares.

Not sure what's the big deal if his company pays for his first class trips or he has enough money to afford it.

He must be a real nutjob if none of the above applies to him.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: harrym on January 21, 2015, 05:47:22 AM
Which is why I didn't say impossible ;)
A rep where? at M&M? Care to elaborate?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 21, 2015, 07:20:07 AM
...to your apparently inexperienced and/or adolescent view :)

$40K x 6 =240K HH=.0019 per point. Which means ~$140/night at the Conrad MLE.

I'll buy HH at that price all day.

Diamond is just gravy.
What's the x6?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 21, 2015, 07:21:01 AM
What's the x6?
Cat bonus.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on January 21, 2015, 07:22:38 AM
Cat bonus.
Figured. Which one?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 21, 2015, 08:49:29 AM
Figured. Which one?
6x at gas, grocery, and restaurants.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 21, 2015, 11:26:53 AM
Well, this is an underwhelming development:

KE's new J and F:

(https://www.koreanair.com/content/koreanair/global/en/traveling/classes-of-service/prestige-class/prestige-suite/prestige-sleeper-details/_jcr_content/par/textimage/image.img.jpg/1418006375975.jpg)

(https://www.koreanair.com/content/koreanair/global/en/traveling/classes-of-service/first-class/a330-first-seat/FirstClassDetails/_jcr_content/par/textimage/image.img.jpg/1418006120858.jpg)

Yeah, they both look like J to me, too.

But, hey, at least they offer an F class to more destinations than other Asian carriers like OZ, NH, CX, etc.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on January 21, 2015, 11:27:45 AM
F looks very small.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 21, 2015, 12:46:32 PM
Supposedly this is only for 333 aircraft.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 21, 2015, 12:53:33 PM
Supposedly this is only for 333 aircraft.

Even so. Here's LH's F on A333:

(http://www.designboom.com/cms/images/fiona004/lufthansa002.jpg)

And LX on A333:

(http://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/swiss-airlines-new-first-class-suite-design-by-priestman-goode2.jpg)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 21, 2015, 01:07:45 PM
^I want! I want!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 21, 2015, 01:15:56 PM
Even so. Here's LH's F on A333:

(http://www.designboom.com/cms/images/fiona004/lufthansa002.jpg)

And LX on A333:

(http://www.tuvie.com/wp-content/uploads/swiss-airlines-new-first-class-suite-design-by-priestman-goode2.jpg)
Never said it was good.
Just saying that they're not replacing the 388 product with this.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on January 21, 2015, 01:17:24 PM
And all I was saying was that it's subpar for the 333, let alone for the 388.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: jaywhy on January 21, 2015, 01:18:02 PM
And all I was saying was that it's subpar for the 333, let alone for the 388.
Agreed.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2015, 11:34:20 AM
Not to mention, it's likely the JFK<>ICN route will be upgraded to the whale by then.

Ding Ding Ding!

OZ is starting A380 service on the JFK<>ICN route beginning on June 13, 2015.

Initially will start on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, and will be daily beginning a month later.

Got lucky and picked a good ^ day. Already picked my seats.  Could be one of my last hoorahs in *A F, given the usual astronomical pricing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 01, 2015, 12:03:08 PM
Ding Ding Ding!

OZ is starting A380 service on the JFK<>ICN route beginning on June 13, 2015.

Initially will start on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays, and will be daily beginning a month later.

Got lucky and picked a good ^ day. Already picked my seats.  Could be one of my last hoorahs in *A F, given the usual astronomical pricing.
Ouch, I'm booked on this route in April.
Am I going to miss something?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 01, 2015, 12:16:50 PM
It's nice if you can get it, but don't lose any sleep over it. Essentially same product, but more space and just a bit fresher.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2015, 11:44:24 AM
The YQ on OZ F ICN-JFK is $15:

(http://i.gyazo.com/954c66f66563f4bf873e4115c8ebedf8.png)

And on a RT, ICN-JFK-ICN, it's $30:

(http://i.gyazo.com/5eb85ea6effec172e79cc6d42ef17ce5.png)

And the YQ on OZ F JFK-ICN is $140:

(http://i.gyazo.com/a4561d868009284211ddb03638c83b6b.png)

And on a RT, JFK-ICN-JFK it's $280:

(http://i.gyazo.com/e4352a7fbee017fbe7a2e113781e1c1a.png)

So it seems like OZ charges nominal YQ when departing ICN (OW or RT), and significant YQ ex-USA (OW or RT).

That being the case, am I to assume the reason that the highlighted charge in the below itinerary is assessed is because it's a RT ex-USA, even though the outbound is NOT on OZ metal?

(http://i.gyazo.com/2fc4a34c082d876cdcbf7d80139135bb.png)

If so, the lesson here is if you're booking OZ F with miles where you incur YQ, make sure to book them as OW and NOT a RT.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 03, 2015, 12:06:08 PM
Well, this is an underwhelming development:

KE's new J and F:

<snip>

Yeah, they both look like J to me, too.

But, hey, at least they offer an F class to more destinations than other Asian carriers like OZ, NH, CX, etc.

I'm pretty sure it's just that somebody screwed up the graphics - it's the exact same product, from different angles, with minor cosmetic differences. Some poor web designer is gonna get fired for this, that's all. :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2015, 01:53:27 PM
That's my thought as well.

I just booked.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-yyz,+color:yellow,+yyz-pek-icn,+color:green,+icn-jfk&MS=bm&MP=rect&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Red in AC Y
Yellow in AC + CA J
Green in OZ F

70K + 450.

The aeroplan glitch.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Now changed to:

(NYC-)SEA-NRT in NH F on 777
ICN-JFK in OZ F on A380

Deleted a stop (sorry Ergel!), upgraded to F, no additional miles, no change fee (that was charged anyway) and a reduction/refund of $160 in YQ.

Total cost now 70K + $370.  Official cost = 210K.

At 35K+$185 each way in F on a premier Asian carrier, this might take my redemption cake.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 03, 2015, 04:35:46 PM
More than your South Africa trip that was almost completely refunded?

And I don't forgive you
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2015, 04:37:11 PM
More than your South Africa trip that was almost completely refunded?

And I don't forgive you

I don't know what you're talking about, but if I did, I guess that would have to be better than this :)

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on February 03, 2015, 05:18:58 PM
I don't know what you're talking about, but if I did, I guess that would have to be better than this :)
I also remember something about them never deducting the miles. Am I tired?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2015, 05:23:07 PM
Fine, fine. Yeah, that one would win, as that was 4 segments on LH F and a free one-way on UA to SAN for 50K per person, or 12.5K per leg and $0 taxes and fees.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on February 03, 2015, 05:25:30 PM
Hard to beat F for 0 via the various BA glitches.
But not bad ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 03, 2015, 05:27:21 PM
Hard to beat F for 0 via the various BA glitches.
But not bad ;)

Yes. That is probably my #1, too. And I guess I should probably include it because the other 2 are/were also glitches.

1) BA on CX with $0 in taxes and fees.
2) UA on LH F for 50K RT with $0 in taxes and fees.
3) AP on NH F and OZ F for 70K RT.
4) ?? on LH F x2 for 35K RT and no YQ.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 04, 2015, 11:54:33 AM
The YQ on OZ F ICN-JFK is $15:

<snip>

And on a RT, ICN-JFK-ICN, it's $30:

<snip>

And the YQ on OZ F JFK-ICN is $140:

<snip>

And on a RT, JFK-ICN-JFK it's $280:

<snip>

So it seems like OZ charges nominal YQ when departing ICN (OW or RT), and significant YQ ex-USA (OW or RT).

That being the case, am I to assume the reason that the highlighted charge in the below itinerary is assessed is because it's a RT ex-USA, even though the outbound is NOT on OZ metal?

<snip>

If so, the lesson here is if you're booking OZ F with miles where you incur YQ, make sure to book them as OW and NOT a RT.

First, I'd like to point out the varying fare codes Matrix is using in your screenshots: ex-ICN is FOW (First, one-way) and FRT (First, round-trip), while ex-NYC is AXSUITE, except for when you have an Air China outbound, then the OZ return is F1. I'm not gonna go into the technical ramifications of that right now, because it will get too confusing... but just something to keep in mind.

Now, as for the YQ mystery, the answer lies in the fare rules. The ones Matrix links to are a bit abridged, so here's an excerpt of the full version from Sabre (Category 12: Surcharges):

  ...AND - ORIGINATING KOREA REP OF/SOUTH -                     
       FOR TICKETING ON/AFTER 01FEB15                           
         MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 15.00 WILL       
         BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER ANY               
         PASSENGER.                                           


blah blah blah...

     AND - ORIGINATING UNITED STATES -                         
       MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 170.00 PER         
       FARE COMPONENT WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE           
       FARE PER ANY PASSENGER.                                 


Aha! There's the discrepancy! But why $140, and not $170? Beats me. One possible clue lies here, a little further in the fare rules:

          THE SURCHARGE MUST BE COLLECTED AT TIME OF TICKET     
          ISSUANCE AND WILL BE INCORPORATED IN THE FARE         
          CALCULATION AS A -Q- SURCHARGE BY CONVERTING         
          THE SURCHARGE INTO NUC USING THE APPLICABLE           
          IATA RATE OF EXCHANGE /IROE/.                         


NUC stands for "Neutral Unit of Construction". It's a fictitious unit of currency, equivalent to USD, used by airlines and governments for calculating prices of airline tickets across currencies. I'm not gonna go into details now, except to say that this "imaginary currency" can screw things up (remember a couple of weeks ago how tickets were cheaper on Russian sites due to "currency discrepancies"?) So, it's entirely possible that in the process of changing between USD, NUC, and KRW (Korean Won), $30 is lost due to exchange rate discrepancies. Maybe... if anyone has a better theory, I'd like to hear it.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 03:44:49 PM
CX slowly removing F from ORD<>HKG routes. Going from 3/3 flights to 1/3 flights by mid 2015.

And it continues:

CX is downgrading CX 884/885 from LAX<>HKG to a 3-class plane on Mon, Tues, and Weds.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on February 09, 2015, 03:46:15 PM
And it continues:

CX is downgrading CX 884/885 from LAX<>HKG to a 3-class plane on Mon, Tues, and Weds.
You mean 2-class plane?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 09, 2015, 03:46:51 PM
You mean 2-class plane?

I do not.

Classes: F, J, Y+, Y.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 09, 2015, 03:46:59 PM
You mean 2-class plane?
Premium Economy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on February 09, 2015, 03:49:27 PM
Ah. Okay, so they're getting rid of premium economy, what's the big deal?

Jokes...  ::)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on February 09, 2015, 03:50:49 PM
Ah. Okay, so they're getting rid of premium economy, what's the big deal?

Jokes...  ::)
CX slowly removing F from ORD<>HKG routes. Going from 3/3 flights to 1/3 flights by mid 2015.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on February 09, 2015, 03:52:53 PM
Should have clarified. It was a bad joke.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 12, 2015, 09:05:19 PM
Anyone know if it's possible to tell if a particular UA flight with have WiFi more than 24 hours in advance?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on February 12, 2015, 09:07:00 PM
Anyone know if it's possible to tell if a particular UA flight with have WiFi more than 24 hours in advance?
I think its 48 hours before the flight when you can check it up on the site.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on February 12, 2015, 09:08:21 PM
Edit the mobile site url.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 12, 2015, 09:13:31 PM
Ha, interesting shtick.

Looks like no 764s are gonna have WiFi in the next week.

No shock considering only 6% are configured.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 12, 2015, 09:14:45 PM
Once on the subject.... Does EY 77W have wifi? (I am asking about both versions)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 12, 2015, 09:15:57 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on February 12, 2015, 09:16:45 PM
Ha, interesting shtick.

Looks like no 764s are gonna have WiFi in the next week.

No shock considering only 6% are configured.
764??
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 12, 2015, 09:18:06 PM
Yeah?

(http://i.gyazo.com/6e7459dd670e922b1864434ab4f0ed04.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 12, 2015, 09:20:21 PM
u wrote 764 not 767

764 = 767-400.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on February 12, 2015, 09:20:52 PM
764 = 767-400.
learn something new everyday
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 12, 2015, 09:26:30 PM
What else could it have been?  ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Matovu on February 12, 2015, 11:31:09 PM
764 = 767-400.
How did you fix this guys comment if he didn't comment ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on February 13, 2015, 07:57:57 AM
How did you fix this guys comment if he didn't comment ;)

He deleted his post.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on February 13, 2015, 08:03:18 AM
He deleted his post.
Me Delete my post, I would never.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 15, 2015, 10:41:21 PM
Ah, they continue to dazzle, with what I believe is the first or second F product on the 787 (with BA being the other):



First TR:



Forward and backward facing F seats... interesting!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 15, 2015, 11:01:01 PM
First TR:



Forward and backward facing F seats... interesting!
This is #1 on my bucket list.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 15, 2015, 11:31:13 PM
Quote

Forward and backward facing F seats... interesting!

I've seen that on the A380
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 15, 2015, 11:46:18 PM
That I knew about. This I didn't 
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on February 16, 2015, 10:13:35 AM
Don't see a huge difference from their current F on the 777
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 16, 2015, 10:29:17 AM
It's not huge.

But it's a smaller cabin, chilled mini-bar, seats are updated, the IFE is newer, and... the middle F seats can be converted to a double bed.*

*Articles refer to them as a double-bed, but I'm not sure it's the same as SQ R/MU F.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 16, 2015, 11:59:21 AM
Don't see a huge difference from their current F on the 777
787 has much better oxygen 
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: gswannabe on February 16, 2015, 12:16:21 PM
787 has much better oxygen
Is that very noticeable ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on February 16, 2015, 02:29:25 PM


But it's a smaller cabin, chilled mini-bar, seats are updated, the IFE is newer, and... the middle F seats can be converted to a double bed.*




I don't get the whole Mini-Bar in F thing. Maybe in Business or Coach but in F i want someone bringing me a drink in a glass with ice
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 16, 2015, 02:31:12 PM
I only mention the mini-bar because the one on the 787 is chilled... finally.

But I can imagine waking up after a nap (or in the middle of one) and liking the ability to grab a drink immediately and not having to wait and/or press call button.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 16, 2015, 02:35:57 PM
I don't get the whole Mini-Bar in F thing. Maybe in Business or Coach but in F i want someone bringing me a drink in a glass with ice
I only mention the mini-bar because the one on the 787 is chilled... finally.

But I can imagine waking up after a nap (or in the middle of one) and liking the ability to grab a drink immediately and not having to wait and/or press call button.
I don't think AJK was referring to a walk-up bar like they have on some planes. Rather the mini bar that may be next to your armrest on some planes.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on February 17, 2015, 06:58:51 PM
Alas, we disagree again (http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2015/02/17/how-good-is-japan-airlines-new-first-class-product/), it seems :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 18, 2015, 12:06:45 AM
I don't get the whole Mini-Bar in F thing. Maybe in Business or Coach but in F i want someone bringing me a drink in a glass with ice
+1

Stupid airlines
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 02, 2015, 03:14:05 PM
TN to purchase two 787-9s.

Almost surely will have lie-flat. Finally, 180 degrees to BOB!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 02, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
TN to purchase two 787-9s.

Almost surely will have lie-flat. Finally!
Don't you already have a trip to BOB planned though?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 02, 2015, 03:15:11 PM
Don't you already have a trip to BOB planned though?

Yep. A man can dream they'll be flying these by then.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on March 02, 2015, 03:20:08 PM
Yep. A man can dream they'll be flying these by then.
Delivery,  April 2097
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on March 02, 2015, 03:20:41 PM
Yep. A man can dream they'll be flying these by then.

Delivery,  April 2097
More realistic.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on March 02, 2015, 03:27:28 PM
Wow. That would be fantastic!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 02, 2015, 06:12:31 PM
Delivery,  April 2097

Not too far off:

Quote
French Polysian flag carrier Air Tahiti Nui plans to order two 787-9 aircraft and lease another two to replace its ageing A340 fleet.
The carrier aims to begin replacing its current long-haul aircraft with four 787-9s from Q4 2018 to coincide with its 20th anniversary.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on March 16, 2015, 01:31:24 PM
Did you figure out your hotel situation for BOB yet?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 18, 2015, 02:41:20 PM
Well, I'm not sure which is crazier--below or my "Brazil Trip" (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46243.0)--but I can tell you that Dan was the but-for cause underlying both of these certifiably amazing insane trips.

I can't justify it. I can only say that this is a part of a hobby I relish, and hobbies only need passion, not justification.

After (too) much back and forth, some convincing, and then some dissuading, I'm going to help Dan knock something off of both our bucket lists...

Pacific Hopper, here we come!

(http://i.gyazo.com/a6e79395f33c82029f93b3c2b9430ca3.png)

UA, EWR-HNL, in Business <--- lie-flat in red

     --overnight in HNL at TBD--

UA, HNL-MAJ-KWA-KSA-PNI-TKK-GUM, in Business <--- Hopper in green

     --overnight in GUM at TBD--

UA J, GUM-NRT, in Business

     --overnight at Park Hyatt NRT--

NH F, NRT-ORD, in First <--- Yellow

     --overnight at Shallots and the Fairmont in ORD--

UA J, ORD-NYC/CLE, in Business



Now just need to convince the Mrs...  ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on March 18, 2015, 02:41:59 PM
I hate you!

EDIT: and may i say what a 20k post!!!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on March 18, 2015, 02:46:04 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on March 18, 2015, 02:50:10 PM
When is this scheduled for?

Pricing for the ticket?


Also, that is a lot of green stars.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: 12HRS on March 18, 2015, 02:50:44 PM
taking bets on who manages to write the TR first.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 18, 2015, 02:51:28 PM
taking bets on who manages to write the TR first.
"we got off the plane. we got on the plane. we got off the plane..."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on March 18, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
When is this scheduled for?

Pricing for the ticket?

Is this an extended invitation to the DDF community?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on March 18, 2015, 03:00:27 PM
When is this scheduled for?

Pricing for the ticket?


Also, that is a lot of green stars.
See DD adventure thread.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on March 18, 2015, 03:05:58 PM


Also, that is a lot of green stars.

More stars then Dan albeit the difference in color :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on March 18, 2015, 03:08:21 PM
More stars then Dan albeit the difference in color :)
You can generally trade 5 green stars for one red.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 18, 2015, 06:23:18 PM
Did you figure out your hotel situation for BOB yet?

As of right now, I'm booked at the Hilton.  But I'm just waiting for Dan to release the dates at IHG  :D

But I just got a flight change notification from DL; seems one of my days in BOB just got eaten up. Will have to see.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on March 18, 2015, 06:44:16 PM
As of right now, I'm booked at the Hilton.  But I'm just waiting for Dan to release the dates at IHG  :D

But I just got a flight change notification from DL; seems one of my days in BOB just got eaten up. Will have to see.
I'm surprised he didn't let you in on the trick yet. ;)

Sorry about the change :(
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 19, 2015, 08:06:29 PM
Since when does TN fly 777s?  :o

(http://i.gyazo.com/96a4e5c67d61461fea687d965eda4e76.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on March 19, 2015, 09:27:26 PM
Since when does TN fly 777s?  :o

(http://i.gyazo.com/96a4e5c67d61461fea687d965eda4e76.png)
Oper by AF?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 19, 2015, 09:43:51 PM
Ding ding ding.

They apparently switched me from TN to AF. Interesting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on March 19, 2015, 09:46:34 PM
Ding ding ding.

They apparently switched me from TN to AF. Interesting.
Just a wild guess I had...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 25, 2015, 01:32:52 PM
Well, this isn't something you often see...

No redemptions for almost the entire week at the AAnytime rate...

(http://i.gyazo.com/b9e123fda99d6c8e131660968961136e.png)

and that's despite 9/12 flights have over half the cabin for sale...

(http://i.gyazo.com/142b8dbb50af29d733d99173d94da93d.png)



ETA: Route is JFK-LAX
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: 12HRS on March 25, 2015, 01:56:50 PM
anti jews traveling for pesach ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: coralsnake on March 25, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
Well, this isn't something you often see...

No redemptions for almost the entire week at the AAnytime rate...

(http://i.gyazo.com/b9e123fda99d6c8e131660968961136e.png)

and that's despite 9/12 flights have over half the cabin for sale...

(http://i.gyazo.com/142b8dbb50af29d733d99173d94da93d.png)



ETA: Route is JFK-LAX
PEBKAC

I see availability every day for AAnytime F, and on 26, 28, 29, 30 & 31 in SAAver F

SAAver J every day from 28-31.

Direct JFK-LAX
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on March 25, 2015, 02:09:12 PM
PEBKAC

I see availability every day for AAnytime F, and on 26, 28, 29, 30 & 31 in SAAver F

SAAver J every day from 28-31.

Direct JFK-LAX
im guessing you looked for one seat and he looked for two. but just a guess.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 25, 2015, 02:12:59 PM
PEBKAC

I see availability every day for AAnytime F, and on 26, 28, 29, 30 & 31 in SAAver F

SAAver J every day from 28-31.

Direct JFK-LAX

im guessing you looked for one seat and he looked for two. but just a guess.

Well, it looks like it changed, because I was absolutely looking for one pax.

Now I even see Saver for some days.

(http://i.gyazo.com/23036570acd0cf448ce214632efe71bd.png)

And AAnytime for all days:

(http://i.gyazo.com/56c1ae4d0022e9859363985c456e45df.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: coralsnake on March 25, 2015, 02:13:58 PM
im guessing you looked for one seat and he looked for two. but just a guess.
Just ran 2 pax.

Still every day AAnytime F.
SAAver F- 28 and 30.
SAAver J- every day 28-1st
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 30, 2015, 02:25:09 PM
In addition to NRT and PEK (and a night in ICN where we depart from), I wanted to add another destination for our trip in June.

Thus far, I've considered:

1) ROR (read: Palau (https://www.google.com/search?q=palau&oq=palau&aqs=chrome..69i57j0j69i60l2j0l2.543j0j9&sourceid=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8)) (pros: non-stop flights to/from NRT/ICN, and great diving; cons: June is beginning of rainy season, no award hotels)
2) CNS + HTI (read: Cairns and Whitsundays (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=whitsundays)) (pros: great time to go visit great barrier reef with amazing diving, amazing award redemptions on QF from CNS to HTI, cons: a LOT of travel, only non-stop from NRT is a cash flight on JQ)
3) PPS + MPH (read: Palawan  (http://palawan island)and Boracay (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=boracay)) (Pros: stunningly beautiful, closer to Asia than Australia; cons: beginning of rainy season, no award hotels)
4) KUL + RDN (read: Kuala Lumpur and Redang (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=redang%20island)/Perhentian islands (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=perhentian%20islands)) (pros: stunningly beautiful, June is a perfect time the eastern malasyian islands, cheap revenue tix from KUL; cons, its a shlep, though not as much as #2, no award hotels)

I'm leaning towards #2 or #4 because I'd rather not risk the weather issue. Otherwise, I'd almost certainly do #3.

#2 would mean a couple nights in NRT, 2/3 nights in PEK, travel back to NRT (but via ICN because can't use 3 day transit visa otherwise), then to CNS for 2/3 days, one day in HTI and then back to ICN for a night.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=nrt-pek-icn-nrt-cns-hti-cns-gum-icn&MS=wls&MR=540&MX=540x540&PM=*)

#4 would mean a couple nights in NRT, 2/3 nights in PEK, a night in KUL, and then 4/5 nights in Perhentian and Redang, and then back to ICN via KUL.

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=nrt-pek-kul-rdn-kul-icn&MS=wls&MR=300&MX=540x540&PM=*)

I'm leaning more towards #4 because #2 looks like a lot of travel in two weeks, no?



Anyone been to any of these places? What would you do?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on March 30, 2015, 02:38:12 PM
My vote is #2 considering the weather/time of year, your love of diving, and your bucket list, http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10537.msg1085866#msg1085866

It would be different if you had kids with you...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 30, 2015, 03:00:33 PM
My vote is #2 considering the weather/time of year, your love of diving, and your bucket list, http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10537.msg1085866#msg1085866

It would be different if you had kids with you...

Even if #2 is 11,000 miles of travel and 8 segments (not including TPAC flights) vs. #4 which is 7,000 miles and could be as little as 4 segments?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on March 30, 2015, 03:01:55 PM
What does the wife think?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on March 30, 2015, 03:02:53 PM
What does the wife think?

A fair question, good sir.

She's up for anything, really, and can be convinced to go either way probably.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on March 31, 2015, 07:58:24 AM
For a traveler like you, you should've gotten a 10 year visa.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2015, 07:34:12 AM
Just got an escort through security from Flagship check-in. Skipped all the lines.

Wasn't expecting that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2015, 08:03:57 AM
Don't worry when I decide to burn my stockpile I will drive everyone nuts with the planning. I'm thinking year long honeymoon trip around the world :)

So... you've spent a month in Hawaii, and now are in TLV... only about 10 more months to go.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2015, 08:46:54 AM
EK F availability WIDE open now.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 02, 2015, 08:48:55 AM
EK F availability WIDE open now.
So where you booking now?

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 02, 2015, 08:51:25 AM
So where you booking now?

Well, I recently had to cancel an EK F trip to MRU, so I'm going to look into rescheduling that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 09, 2015, 09:14:03 PM
I hate these articles:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meet-guy-gamed-airline-industry-212717477.html

Rookie ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 11, 2015, 05:59:35 PM
I hate these articles:

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/meet-guy-gamed-airline-industry-212717477.html

Rookie ;)
i find it hard to believe that its all in first class for 136,500 miles, can you think of a way that it would be possible?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 12, 2015, 01:27:27 PM
i find it hard to believe that its all in first class for 136,500 miles, can you think of a way that it would be possible?

It's def not premium cabin, but it could be AB.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on April 12, 2015, 01:30:49 PM
It's def not premium cabin, but it could be AB.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3031370/Meet-savvy-traveler-sitting-class-flies-20-000miles-21-flights-two-months-FREE-Man-28-turns-exploiting-loopholes-career-never-pays-fly.html
They claim it's first class, but they are prob mistaken
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 12, 2015, 01:36:58 PM
First of all, even setting aside the domestic segments (and those between carribean/mex and USA), where there are no "first class" seats, the longer routes he's taking don't have first class either.

His longhauls, MIA-DUS and ORD-TXL, only have a business cabin.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 13, 2015, 02:46:51 PM
Just got an escort through security from Flagship check-in. Skipped all the lines.

Wasn't expecting that.

And an even better experience Ex-LAX.

Private check-in, private guide, cut the queues.

Not sure AA F transcon + TSA Precheck can be beat domestically.

(http://i.gyazo.com/b366b9aad4e8f0795351012aeb10fea5.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 13, 2015, 02:50:01 PM
I got screwed ex-LAX and was sent to the regular security line.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2015, 02:52:32 PM
Is Flagship something achieved through status? Or simply by flying F?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 13, 2015, 02:53:50 PM
Is Flagship something achieved through status? Or simply by flying F?
F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2015, 02:56:03 PM
F.
Thanks, cool.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 13, 2015, 03:15:20 PM
I got screwed ex-LAX and was sent to the regular security line.

What happened?

Is Flagship something achieved through status? Or simply by flying F?

Have to know to ask for it, though. It's kind of hidden.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 13, 2015, 03:16:38 PM
What happened?

Have to know to ask for it, though. It's kind of hidden.
They didn't send me through Flagship and then funneled me into the regular security line through some additional door telling me that was the priority access.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 13, 2015, 03:17:32 PM
They didn't send me through Flagship and then funneled me into the regular security line through some additional door telling me that was the priority access.

Yep. See above. Gotta know to ask for it. Or just head all the way to the left in the priority portion of the terminal.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 13, 2015, 03:18:01 PM
Yep. See above. Gotta know to ask for it. Or just head all the way to the left in the priority portion of the terminal.
I asked, but was mislead. Never again!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 13, 2015, 03:54:46 PM
Have to know to ask for it, though. It's kind of hidden.
Thanks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on April 13, 2015, 04:31:38 PM
And an even better experience Ex-LAX.

Private check-in, private guide, cut the queues.

Not sure AA F transcon + TSA Precheck can be beat domestically.

(http://i.gyazo.com/b366b9aad4e8f0795351012aeb10fea5.png)

I've gotten the guide ex-JFK as well
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 15, 2015, 02:22:35 PM
Looks like flying business in the near future won't be such a chore  ;)

Pretty fantastic looking job, if you ask me.

(http://i.gyazo.com/d6d64535f7e27a71c5ee14ce371747e0.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/f78ecd1ab87c9ff444bac984df3a76ed.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 15, 2015, 02:23:28 PM
Airline?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on April 15, 2015, 02:24:53 PM
Looks like flying business in the near future won't be such a chore  ;)

Pretty fantastic looking job, if you ask me.

(http://i.gyazo.com/d6d64535f7e27a71c5ee14ce371747e0.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/f78ecd1ab87c9ff444bac984df3a76ed.png)

Its a concept seat, very much like a concept car. Who knows when/if we'll actually see it
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 15, 2015, 02:26:14 PM
Airline?

None yet...

Its a concept seat, very much like a concept car. Who knows when/if we'll actually see it

I'd bet we see it on QR...

I'd further bet this is what the Prince of QR was talking about when he stated that QR was going to release a Super Business Class seat which would "make F obsolete..."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on April 15, 2015, 02:36:46 PM
I really want concept roofing where the stars are visible at night. I wonder if that is something that will ever happen..

(http://i.imgur.com/2jFxEw3.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 15, 2015, 02:37:45 PM
I really want concept roofing where the stars are visible at night. I wonder if that is something that will ever happen..

(http://i.imgur.com/2jFxEw3.png)
OZ has stars on the ceiling when they turn the lights off.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 15, 2015, 02:41:15 PM
The second pic looks like a bed for very short people. Unless I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 15, 2015, 02:42:27 PM
The second pic looks like a bed for very short people. Unless I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle.
You obviously need to sleep folded up.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 15, 2015, 02:42:32 PM
OZ has stars on the ceiling when they turn the lights off.

As do a bunch of others, e.g. EK and EY.

The second pic looks like a bed for very short people. Unless I'm just looking at it from the wrong angle.

Bad angle.

(http://i.gyazo.com/26cbc1199a9030435115b9b5656f6861.png)

(http://i.gyazo.com/e0e3d3448174616399b5521fcaa8652a.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 15, 2015, 02:52:21 PM
With the amount of pics you're pulling out of your sleeve, I would think you're on this plane right now taking them. At the same time, it still looks like you need to curl up to fit in there, but hey it's just the concept.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 15, 2015, 03:06:09 PM
I really want concept roofing where the stars are visible at night. I wonder if that is something that will ever happen..

Don't know about stars, but you could see the aurora on this (http://www.icelandair.us/hekla-aurora/) plane...

Bad angle.

Still looks too short for me.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 15, 2015, 03:09:52 PM
Still looks too short for me.

Well, if that's the barometer by which we're measuring "adequate size," then, well, we're going to need an Airbus A-480.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on April 15, 2015, 03:11:05 PM
Don't know about stars, but you could see the aurora on this (http://www.icelandair.us/hekla-aurora/) plane...

Still looks too short for me.
How about you list which seats aren't short for you.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on April 15, 2015, 03:12:14 PM
Well, if that's the barometer by which we're measuring "adequate size," then, well, we're going to need an Airbus A-480.

With a concept-seat in mind it would only be fitting to launch them in a new concept-plane.

(Googling A480 returns some of the ugliest ideas I have ever seen in the airplane industry)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 15, 2015, 03:13:14 PM
Well, if that's the barometer by which we're measuring "adequate size," then, well, we're going to need an Airbus A-480.

I'll take one of those :D.

But seriously, this looks much closer in size to the B767 than the A330. I was perfectly comfortable on the latter, and squashed in the former. (Both DL)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on April 15, 2015, 03:15:04 PM
How about you list which seats aren't short for you.

See above - DLs A330, for example.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 15, 2015, 07:06:51 PM
NZ to launch flights to IAH in December.

Not to say I don't understand the appeal, but, really, who woulda thunk?

Maybe they'll release some awards?

Nah, who am I kidding.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on April 15, 2015, 07:10:18 PM
Makes sense, UA announced that as the inaugural 787 route but cancelled it to protest WN international flight from HOU.

Plus there's a huge network to tap into from IAH.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 15, 2015, 07:12:52 PM
Makes sense, UA announced that as the inaugural 787 route but cancelled it to protest WN international flight from HOU.

Plus there's a huge network to tap into from IAH.

Yeah, it makes sense considering it's basically one-stop service to east coast (perhaps a bit easier than LAX/SFO) and it being an UA hub, but still surprised me.

And... they'll be launching with a 777, not a 787.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 30, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Note to all travelers to value their time, money, and effort:

Avoid connecting in GUM at all costs.

They will force to you to exit immigration, clear customs , reclear security, even when your arrival gate is next door to your departure gate.

The epitome of efficiency.  ::)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: lunatic on April 30, 2015, 03:37:51 PM
So that's the whole trip report??
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on April 30, 2015, 03:37:58 PM
Must be even better at 2AM.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 30, 2015, 04:06:21 PM
You have to clear US customs for all flights connecting in the US, so why should GUM be different?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 30, 2015, 04:12:00 PM
You have to clear US customs for all flights connecting in the US, so why should GUM be different?

That's a good point, but my hunch is that even if you were connecting HNL-GUM-NRT, you'd have to do the same.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 30, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
That's a good point, but my hunch is that even if you were connecting HNL-GUM-NRT, you'd have to do the same.
I think the same would be true MEX-LAX-YVR for example. No doubt it's annoying though.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 30, 2015, 04:17:44 PM
I think the same would be true MEX-LAX-YVR for example. No doubt it's annoying though.

MEX-LAX-YVR isn't the same as HNL-GUM-NRT...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 30, 2015, 04:21:21 PM
MEX-LAX-YVR isn't the same as HNL-GUM-NRT...
My mistake. But why would you need to clear customs at all HNL-GUM?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on April 30, 2015, 07:38:26 PM
My mistake. But why would you need to clear customs at all HNL-GUM?
Separate custom zone
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on April 30, 2015, 09:01:04 PM
As it turns out, I was wrong. GUM isn't special.

Transiting anything having to do with America is a pain in the neck. Silly Americans.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on April 30, 2015, 09:03:53 PM
As it turns out, I was wrong. GUM isn't special.

Transiting anything having to do with America is a pain in the neck. Silly Americans.
At least that's good to know.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 01, 2015, 12:05:08 AM
I'd further bet this is what the Prince of QR was talking about when he stated that QR was going to release a Super Business Class seat which would "make F obsolete..."
The way oil prices are heading QR will become obsolete a lot before F
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 03, 2015, 05:00:07 PM
Irony of ironies...

(http://i.gyazo.com/56b48b38199a7b7cf7ac9cd49df24341.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: eliteflyer on May 03, 2015, 11:16:56 PM
Irony of ironies...

(http://i.gyazo.com/56b48b38199a7b7cf7ac9cd49df24341.png)
Is that the in-flight magazine?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on May 04, 2015, 01:35:22 AM
I had a good layover in GUM. I rented a car and spent the day touring the island.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 04, 2015, 01:37:20 AM
I had a good layover in GUM. I rented a car and spent the day touring the island.
I think that's AJK's point. It's connecting to a flight that departed a couple hours after landing that is a PITA, not a day-long or overnight connection.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 04, 2015, 07:41:37 AM
Is that the in-flight magazine?

Travel + Leisure.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 18, 2015, 04:55:07 PM
Thoughts on the following itins?

Option A
Tue, NH 177, SEA-NRT, 12:40-15:00, +1, First
--3:20 connection--
Wed, JQ 26, NRT-CNS, 20:20-4:45, +1, Economy
--Thu AM to Sun AM in Cairns; scuba diving GBR--
Sun, QF 2503, CNS-HTI, 8:15-9:20, Economy
--two full says exploring Whitsundays--
Tue, VS 1754, CNS-MEL, 12:25-15:25, Economy
--overnight at PH MEL, time on ground 27:15--
Wed, CA 166, MEL-PEK, 20:40-6:10 +1, Business
--four days in PEK--
Mon, some early morning revenue flight to ICN
--overnight in ICN doing DMZ, time on ground ~24 hrs--
Tue, OZ 222, ICN-JFK, 10:30-11:30, First
Option B
Tue, NH 177, SEA-NRT, 12:40-15:00, +1, First
--3:20 connection--
Wed, JQ 26, NRT-CNS, 20:20-4:45, +1, Economy
--Thu AM to Sun AM in Cairns; scuba diving GBR--
Sun, QF 2503, CNS-HTI, 8:15-9:20, Economy
--three full says exploring Whitsundays--
Wed, VS 1496, HTI-BNE, 13:55-15:25, Economy
--30 min connection--
Wed, VS 336, BNE-MEL, 15:55-18:20, Economy
--2:20 connection--
Wed, CA 166, MEL-PEK, 20:40-6:10 +1, Business
--four days in PEK--
Mon, some early morning revenue flight to ICN
--overnight in ICN doing DMZ, time on ground ~24 hrs--
Tue, OZ 222, ICN-JFK, 10:30-11:30, First

Essentially, option A gives me two full days in HTI and a night at the PH MEL, whereas option B gives me three full days in HTI, but causes me to (i) lose out at PH MEL, and more importantly (ii) connect in BNE to get to my MEL-PEK flight.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on May 18, 2015, 04:57:08 PM
Option B without a question
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on May 18, 2015, 05:00:37 PM
Option B does seem a little more exciting.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2015, 05:01:58 PM
Option B without a question
+1, especially because you'll be at the PH MEL later this year, no?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 18, 2015, 05:07:44 PM
That's the plan... but as they say... "Man plans..."

OK, since there are no non-stops between HTI and MEL on Wednesdays, I can either do:

The option above (HTI-BNE-MEL) for $179/pp, or HTI-SYD for 7500 Avios + $22 and SYD-MEL for $48.

Seems the latter is a better choice price-wise, but it'd be two separate tickets, whereas the first option is one.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 18, 2015, 05:19:03 PM
That's the plan... but as they say... "Man plans..."

OK, since there are no non-stops between HTI and MEL on Wednesdays, I can either do:

The option above (HTI-BNE-MEL) for $179/pp, or HTI-SYD for 7500 Avios + $22 and SYD-MEL for $48.

Seems the latter is a better choice price-wise, but it'd be two separate tickets, whereas the first option is one.
So what if it's 2 separate tickets? They could check any bags all the way to MEL probably.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 18, 2015, 05:56:24 PM
Actually, I ended up just booking the VA flights with SQ miles (https://www.singaporeair.com/pdf/ppsclub_krisflyer/charts/virgin-aust-award-mar14.pdf).

11K per/pax + tax vs. $185 per/pax. Not the best-ever redemption, but the SQ miles have a shelf-life, and I'm already going to be out of pocket for the NRT-CNS leg.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 18, 2015, 07:20:08 PM
(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=ewr-sea-nrt-cns-hti-bne-mel-pek-icn-jfk&MS=bm&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)

OK, basically all booked save the PEK-ICN revenue flight.

Tue, NH 177, SEA-NRT, 12:40-15:00, +1, First (35K AC/pax)
--3:20 connection--
Wed, JQ 26, NRT-CNS, 20:20-4:45, +1, Economy ($350/pax)
--Thu AM to Sun AM in Cairns; scuba diving GBR--
Sun, QF 2503, CNS-HTI, 8:15-9:20, Economy (4.5K Avios/pax)
--three days exploring Whitsundays--
Wed, VA 1496, HTI-BNE, 13:55-15:25, Economy (11K SQ per/pax)
--30 min connection--
Wed, VA 336, BNE-MEL, 15:55-18:20, Economy (Included)
--2:20 connection--
Wed, CA 166, MEL-PEK, 20:40-6:10 +1, Business (40K UA/pax)
--four days in PEK--
Mon, some early morning revenue flight to ICN
--overnight in ICN doing DMZ, time on ground ~24 hrs--
Tue, OZ 222, ICN-JFK, 10:30-11:30, First (35K AC/pax)

I wonder if I can make the MEL-PEK into MEL-PEK(stop)-ICN ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 18, 2015, 07:28:19 PM
It's VA not VS
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 18, 2015, 07:29:32 PM
It's VA not VS

Yup. Meant to change that. Done.

Will I be seeing you again randomly?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2015, 07:51:01 PM
Yup. Meant to change that. Done.

Will I be seeing you again randomly?
He's already booked on your HTI cruise.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 18, 2015, 07:51:53 PM
He's already booked on your HTI cruise.

Lol. Wouldn't surprise me.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 18, 2015, 10:14:46 PM
Lol, good times
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 20, 2015, 07:24:28 PM
AJ, Did you see the part (http://www.airchina.com.cn/www/en/html/index/travel_information/onboard_service/special_meals/airCate/2244/) about CA not offering KSMLs ex Australia?

Quote
1. Except for Kosher meals, passengers can make special meals reservations 24 hours (inclusive) before flight departure, through the Air China Sales Service Hotline (4008-100-999).
2. For Kosher meals, passengers must make a reservation at least 48 hours (inclusive) before the flight departure, using the method described above. (Currently, Kosher meals are only available on some of Air Chinaís international routes).
3. Meal reservations are limited to dinner and breakfast, excluding snack food or fast food, and each passenger can only apply for special meals for one person (Baby Meals are an exception).
4. If flights are delayed or cancelled, the meals ordered might be affected.
5. If the passenger makes a request for a special meal which is not included among the special meal choices listed, (for health or other special reasons), he or she shall provide accurate, detailed, and clear information to the sales person, so that the sales person can enter the information correctly and that the catering company can understand the special meal requirements correctly.

Currently, Jewish food is not available on the following routes:
All domestic flights (including domestic segments of international flights); International routes departing from Saipan, Sapporo, Sendai, South Korea, Jakarta, India, Karachi, Australia, and Yekaterinburg.
 
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 20, 2015, 07:33:47 PM
AJ, Did you see the part (http://www.airchina.com.cn/www/en/html/index/travel_information/onboard_service/special_meals/airCate/2244/) about CA not offering KSMLs ex Australia?

Just responded in the other thread...

I did not see that, but the CSR did check if "meals were available" on my route (which at the time I thought was odd, but which now makes sense).

What continues to be odd is that the web page states that "Jewish food" is currently unavailable on:

However, the CSR confirmed my kosher meals on MEL-PEK-ICN. Maybe the website hasn't been updated... not sure.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: myb821 on May 21, 2015, 01:43:56 PM
LOL at the "Jewish food". I'm curious do they call halal food "Muslim food"?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 29, 2015, 03:42:57 PM
Anyone got ideas for the best way to book PEK-ICN?

Top options using points? Top options using cash?

As for the latter, I used skyscanner.com and found $230 p/p, but there must be a way to do better than that, eh?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 29, 2015, 04:30:16 PM
Anyone got ideas for the best way to book PEK-ICN?

Top options using points? Top options using cash?

As for the latter, I used skyscanner.com and found $230 p/p, but there must be a way to do better than that, eh?
Why not book with ANA for 20k in Y?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on May 29, 2015, 04:32:08 PM
Why not book with ANA for 20k in Y?
I would rather use $230 rather than 20k ANA miles.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 29, 2015, 04:33:44 PM
I would rather use $230 rather than 20k ANA miles.
Same here, but that appears to be the cheapest mileage ticket available. Only CA, KE, OZ, and CZ fly the route so you're very limited.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 29, 2015, 04:52:04 PM
Why not book with ANA for 20k in Y?

ANA can't book one-way...

And I can get CA J lie-flat for 22.5K UA...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 29, 2015, 05:01:40 PM
ANA can't book one-way...

And I can get CA J lie-flat for 22.5K UA...
And I guess you don't want to do CA J with UA either. Hmm, why not just pay $$?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 29, 2015, 05:07:55 PM
I'd rather not waste 22.5K UA on a sub 2 hour flight... if only there was a cheap Y fare, but it's not looking good.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 29, 2015, 05:15:58 PM
I'd rather not waste 22.5K UA on a sub 2 hour flight... if only there was a cheap Y fare, but it's not looking good.
I find it funny that some flights like SIN-HKG can be dirt cheap at like $75 OW for a 4 hour flight while other flights like this are super expensive with no LCCs flying the route.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 29, 2015, 08:06:06 PM
Anyone got ideas for the best way to book PEK-ICN?
KE/DL

Should also be hidden city fares considering ICN is a hub.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 30, 2015, 11:30:54 PM
Tried looking for hidden city, as I also realized ICN is a hub. Wasn't terribly successful, but I'll look again.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 31, 2015, 04:27:02 PM
It's actually mind boggling that more people redeeming award tickets don't get stranded in foreign places.

I booked CNS-HTI on QF for 4500 Avios/pax  about two weeks ago and was told "it's going to be sent for manual processing" and you'll get a confirmation email.

Most people would assume they're fine. And most people would go on with their lives. And most people would get stuck in CNS.

I've called back no less than 4-5 times to make sure the booking gets ticketed and each time BA said: "Oh, it'll will be done in 24-48 hours, not to worry!"

So, today, after nearly two weeks, I check the status of the ticket and I see this:

(http://i.gyazo.com/be7b1419f83c6dd0d0a7b8c3997e94a9.png)

 :o :o :o :o

So not only is the booking not ticketed (as I found out from CheckMyTrip), somehow the date has changed by 4 months, the origin has changed and the destination has changed!

Instead of flying the below red route for 4500 Avios/pax, they had me booked on the yellow route (that should cost 25K Avios/pax):

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=cns-hti,+color:yellow,+del-lhr&MS=bm&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Finally, after an hour on the phone today I won the lottery by being able to speak to a  BA *ticketing agent* who, after a bit of back and forth, was able to fix it. Luckily, the award space was not gone, otherwise I probably would have been out of luck.

I feel for the people who don't know they have to do this kind of stuff... crazy.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 31, 2015, 04:38:40 PM
It's actually mind boggling that more people redeeming award tickets don't get stranded in foreign places.

I booked CNS-HTI on QF for 4500 Avios/pax  about two weeks ago and was told "it's going to be sent for manual processing" and you'll get a confirmation email.

Most people would assume they're fine. And most people would go on with their lives. And most people would get stuck in CNS.

I've called back no less than 4-5 times to make sure the booking gets ticketed and each time BA said: "Oh, it'll will be done in 24-48 hours, not to worry!"

So, today, after nearly two weeks, I check the status of the ticket and I see this:

(http://i.gyazo.com/be7b1419f83c6dd0d0a7b8c3997e94a9.png)

 :o :o :o :o

So not only is the booking not ticketed (as I found out from CheckMyTrip), somehow the date has changed by 4 months, the origin has changed and the destination has changed!

Instead of flying the below red route for 4500 Avios/pax, they had me booked on the yellow route (that should cost 25K Avios/pax):

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=cns-hti,+color:yellow,+del-lhr&MS=bm&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Finally, after an hour on the phone today I won the lottery by being able to speak to a  BA *ticketing agent* who, after a bit of back and forth, was able to fix it. Luckily, the award space was not gone, otherwise I probably would have been out of luck.

I feel for the people who don't know they have to do this kind of stuff... crazy.
Wow, that's crazy. It'd've been crazier if you could have made the Delhi - LHR work out in your travel plans for only 4500 avios and get CNS-HTI as well.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on May 31, 2015, 04:42:22 PM
Nah.
Most people would see HTI isn't on BA.com and assume it couldn't be booked with Avios.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 31, 2015, 04:51:30 PM
Wow, that's crazy. It'd've been crazier if you could have made the Delhi - LHR work out in your travel plans for only 4500 avios and get CNS-HTI as well.

Coulda been nice, but no way for me to make that work.

Nah.
Most people would see HTI isn't on BA.com and assume it couldn't be booked with Avios.

True, but the point remains the same... this isn't specific about HTI...

I can't imagine that most people check their bookings like the more experienced DDF'er.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on May 31, 2015, 05:22:58 PM
FYI

Doesn't seem CheapoAir collects YQ on JQ flights...

Just saved $175.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on May 31, 2015, 06:31:56 PM
Wow, that's a great data point! Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 01, 2015, 10:58:42 PM
Anyone know if it's possible to "negotiate" with the hosts on airbnb and/or vrbo, or the price offered set in stone?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2015, 10:59:50 PM
Of course it is.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 01, 2015, 11:15:55 PM
Of course it is.
+1 on both
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 01, 2015, 11:20:51 PM
Excellent, thanks.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on June 02, 2015, 02:36:49 AM
Anyone know if it's possible to "negotiate" with the hosts on airbnb and/or vrbo, or the price offered set in stone?
I have booked with Airbnb many times and I only paid the asking rate once when I booked it right before the stay and didn't want to risk it getting booked
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on June 02, 2015, 09:35:28 AM
Anyone know if it's possible to "negotiate" with the hosts on airbnb and/or vrbo, or the price offered set in stone?
I did, on the timings. Did a rental 10am to 8pm same day
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on June 03, 2015, 11:15:41 AM
ANA can't book one-way...

And I can get CA J lie-flat for 22.5K UA...
CA J is not lie flat.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 03, 2015, 11:19:19 AM
CA J is not lie flat.

OK, if you say so.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 09, 2015, 02:53:34 PM
Beautiful day for spotting Mt. Rainier.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on June 09, 2015, 02:54:04 PM
Beautiful day to be flying some premium cabins :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 09, 2015, 03:13:05 PM
Beautiful day to be flying some premium cabins :)
Which ones to where?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 09, 2015, 03:47:42 PM
Empty cabin FTW. Having this level of service in an empty cabin is... Euphoric.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on June 09, 2015, 03:48:17 PM
Looks awesome. Have fun.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 09, 2015, 03:48:38 PM
Empty cabin FTW. Having this level of service in an empty cabin is... Euphoric.
ANA? Off to Asia/Australia already?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: eis517 on June 09, 2015, 03:48:50 PM
Empty cabin FTW. Having this level of service in an empty cabin is... Euphoric.

I am a rookie, so dumb q: what airline and destination?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 09, 2015, 03:49:27 PM
Looks awesome. Have fun.

Thanks dude. I'm gonna work on the TR for you on the plane.

ANA? Off to Asia/Australia already?

Yup.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on June 09, 2015, 03:50:14 PM
Thanks dude. I'm gonna work on the TR for you on the plane.

Yup.
Best news i've heard.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on June 09, 2015, 03:51:51 PM
Empty cabin FTW. Having this level of service in an empty cabin is... Euphoric.
Uch. I hate you.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on June 09, 2015, 04:38:24 PM
when do you have time to actually go to work?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: BrooklynCPA on June 09, 2015, 04:57:56 PM
@ AJK: Have a safe and enjoyable trip!!! How about a real time TR as you go!!!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on June 10, 2015, 12:02:28 AM
when do you have time to actually go to work?
He doesn't.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 10, 2015, 01:46:44 AM
I am a rookie, so dumb q: what airline and destination?

That's ANA Cubes Class, off to Narita.

when do you have time to actually go to work?

Work hard, play hard. Motto to live by.

@ AJK: Have a safe and enjoyable trip!!! How about a real time TR as you go!!!

Thanks! 

Not all of us can pull that off. Besides, I want Mrs. AJK to write it :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 10, 2015, 01:48:17 AM
CA J is not lie flat.

OK, if you say so.

PSA: Just in case anyone was misled by the above, the OP is not in fact correct, despite the misplaced confidence.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on June 10, 2015, 08:25:16 AM
PSA: Just in case anyone was misled by the above, the OP is not in fact correct, despite the misplaced confidence.
And I'll repeat: CA J is NOT lie flat on the route we were discussing.

I personally flew CA J ICN-PEK less than two months ago.

Did your excitement of proving me wrong lead you into a lie flat dream?

My itinerary:
(http://s9.postimg.org/m80uexalr/2015_06_10_08_21_30.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: yoruel on June 15, 2015, 07:32:22 PM
Can we get some pics of hti?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2015, 08:20:49 PM
Can we get some pics of hti?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=33519.msg1176721#msg1176721
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 16, 2015, 04:09:11 AM
And I'll repeat: CA J is NOT lie flat on the route we were discussing.

I personally flew CA J ICN-PEK less than two months ago.

Did your excitement of proving me wrong lead you into a lie flat dream?

My itinerary:
(http://s9.postimg.org/m80uexalr/2015_06_10_08_21_30.png)

Then your bad luck continues. You apparently got TG'd on CA as there are a few TRs online showing and stating it's lie-flat.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 16, 2015, 04:10:42 AM
Can we get some pics of hti?

Tried to post one or two, but when I click "Insert Attachment" on tapatalk, it says "This feature is disabled by your forum administrator."
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 16, 2015, 05:30:11 PM
A picture from last night's sunset.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 19, 2015, 12:55:14 AM
The Chinese dishes at Dini's Kosher Restaurant in PEK are phenomenal--may be the best I've ever had.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 19, 2015, 01:27:15 AM
The Chinese dishes at Dini's Kosher Restaurant in PEK are phenomenal--may be the best I've ever had.
Oooh, I can't wait to try them. Authentic Chinese food in China!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on June 19, 2015, 01:29:23 AM
Oooh, I can't wait to try them. Authentic Chinese food in China!

Over there it's just called "food", though ;).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 19, 2015, 01:30:22 AM
Over there it's just called "food", though ;).
Lol, probably. Well I guess not the American Chinese dishes.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on June 19, 2015, 08:30:14 AM
Lol, probably. Well I guess not the American Chinese dishes.



Watch this. Its foreign food to them as well.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 21, 2015, 08:37:51 PM


Watch this. Its foreign food to them as well.
That's awesome! Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 22, 2015, 12:16:56 AM


And I'll repeat: CA J is NOT lie flat on the route we were discussing.

I personally flew CA J ICN-PEK less than two months ago.

Did your excitement of proving me wrong lead you into a lie flat dream?

You were saying?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 22, 2015, 12:33:49 AM

You were saying?
Lucky you and your 80" pitch.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 22, 2015, 12:39:48 AM
Lucky you and your 80" pitch.
And, to cap it off, had the cabin to ourselves again. I'm beginning to get paranoid...

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: JoeCha on June 22, 2015, 12:53:56 AM

You were saying?
All I can say is I was either just not as lucky as you are or I was so drunk after a 15 hour F flight on OZ that I simply didn't see what's happening around me (in which case I am more lucky than you).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on June 22, 2015, 12:59:36 AM
And, to cap it off, had the cabin to ourselves again. I'm beginning to get paranoid...
Here's hoping for an equipment change and an empty cabin on my flight.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 22, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
PH ICN

Exceptional hotel. If categories were not dictated by ADR, this could easily be a category 7.

Suites are warm, understated, modern, and beautiful.

Service was outstanding.

I'd almost go so far as to say it's worth making a stop in ICN to just stay here.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on June 22, 2015, 06:32:34 PM
Anything kosher in ICN?
Or worth doing other than the DMZ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 22, 2015, 06:38:29 PM
Anything kosher in ICN?
Or worth doing other than the DMZ?
Chabad will make fresh/hot food with advance reservations. No restaurant like in PEK. They do have a store though.

I feel ill-equipped to make the call, but I don't get the impression there's much more to do in ICN, unless you're into history, can eat the food, or like to do high end shopping.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on June 22, 2015, 06:40:53 PM


I feel ill-equipped to make the call, but I don't get the impression there's much more to do in ICN, unless you're into history, can eat the food, or like to do high end shopping.

+1
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on June 22, 2015, 06:50:45 PM
Ain't no hotel worth going to without local activities worth doing.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 22, 2015, 07:06:57 PM
If PH ICN, OZ F A380, and DMZ, aren't enough for you for a night in Seoul, that'd be your loss.

More for us!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on June 22, 2015, 07:39:28 PM
If PH ICN, OZ F A380, and DMZ, aren't enough for you for a night in Seoul, that'd be your loss.

More for us!
what is DMZ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 22, 2015, 07:44:59 PM
what is DMZ?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on June 22, 2015, 07:46:50 PM
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone
cool, a friend of mine did that last year. He didn't tell his wife before hand she almost had his head...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 24, 2015, 11:00:06 AM
Looking forward to seeing the "all new"  Swiss F on the 773 in Jan 2016.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on June 30, 2015, 09:59:47 PM
This new lounge, esp the suites, looks gorgeous. Can't wait for my next connection in HKG.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/inside-cathay-pacific-s-the-pier-first-class-lounge-day-suites
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 01, 2015, 02:03:18 AM
This new lounge, esp the suites, looks gorgeous. Can't wait for my next connection in HKG.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/inside-cathay-pacific-s-the-pier-first-class-lounge-day-suites
Do you have one planned?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 11:03:27 AM
Do you have one planned?

Always have at least one trip planned :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: rileywiles23 on July 01, 2015, 12:35:20 PM

If PH ICN, OZ F A380, and DMZ, aren't enough for you for a night in Seoul, that'd be your loss.

More for us!
Can one take a child along to dmz ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 01, 2015, 12:42:13 PM
Always have at least one trip planned :P
You always have one trip in general  planned, or one to or through HKG? I have plans to visit HKG in Jan. Will you be there before then?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 03:49:55 PM
Can one take a child along to dmz ?

No idea.

You always have one trip in general  planned, or one to or through HKG? I have plans to visit HKG in Jan. Will you be there before then?

Don't have one before then, but to access this lounge you'd have to be ex-HKG. Are you?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 03:53:10 PM
Just booked:

JFK-DXB-SYD in EK F

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-dxb-syd&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Now to figure out a way back...

Perhaps SYD-AUH-DOH in EY F and J and then QR F DOH-LHR? Problem is I have no good way to get home from LHR... maybe VS Y?  :o

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=syd-auh-doh-lhr&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 01, 2015, 03:55:59 PM
VS Y sounds horrible after all those other flights :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 03:57:48 PM
VS Y sounds horrible after all those other flights :)

lol... hence the "no good way to get home" bit :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 01, 2015, 03:58:16 PM
lol... hence the "no good way to get home" bit :)
MS some CB and fly BA F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 03:58:47 PM
MS some CB and fly BA F.

Frankly, I'd prefer AA F.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 01, 2015, 04:00:01 PM
Frankly, I'd prefer AA F.
How about flying through HKG with CX. Can't really go wrong with that and you can see the new lounge.


May also help to burn some more AA before the impending deval.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
How about flying through HKG with CX. Can't really go wrong with that and you can see the new lounge.


May also help to burn some more AA before the impending deval.

As much as I'd love to fly through HKG to see the new lounge, I don't think it justifies going out of the way for (also, I'd be able to burn AA by booking EY F Apartment and QR F).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 01, 2015, 04:06:01 PM
No idea.

Don't have one before then, but to access this lounge you'd have to be ex-HKG. Are you?
Yup, CX F HKG-HND (on a 744).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on July 01, 2015, 04:10:22 PM
As much as I'd love to fly through HKG to see the new lounge, I don't think it justifies going out of the way for (also, I'd be able to burn AA by booking EY F Apartment and QR F).
I guess the route does look a little funny, but not like you will have an unbearable plane to fly in.

(http://i.gyazo.com/d63c5c49d2766a004aae2bc4462faf54.png)


12,652 miles through HKG vs. 14,403 miles through DOH
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 01, 2015, 04:13:31 PM
Yup, CX F HKG-HND (on a 744).

Shweeet.

I guess the route does look a little funny, but not like you will have an unbearable plane to fly in.

(http://i.gyazo.com/d63c5c49d2766a004aae2bc4462faf54.png)


12,652 miles through HKG vs. 14,403 miles through DOH

It's not the routing; it's the products. To me, EY F + QR J + VS Y/AA F > CX/QF J + CX F
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: harrym on July 01, 2015, 06:54:55 PM
Just booked:

JFK-DXB-SYD in EK F


AS lets you route via DXB?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: DMYD on July 01, 2015, 07:44:09 PM
AS lets you route via DXB?
With EK
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mmm740 on July 01, 2015, 09:05:01 PM
With EK
Not to Sydney.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: harrym on July 02, 2015, 04:59:35 PM
Not to Sydney.
So no one knows how he did this?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Emkay on July 02, 2015, 05:04:58 PM
Just booked:

JFK-DXB-SYD in EK F

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=jfk-dxb-syd&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*)

Now to figure out a way back...

Perhaps SYD-AUH-DOH in EY F and J and then QR F DOH-LHR? Problem is I have no good way to get home from LHR... maybe VS Y?  :o

(http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=syd-auh-doh-lhr&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*)
When's this for?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ual902 on July 02, 2015, 08:48:33 PM
Not to Sydney.

Maybe he transferd Amex MR >  EK Awards account?!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on July 03, 2015, 10:09:33 AM
Maybe he transferd Amex MR >  EK Awards account?!
Don't think AJK paid YQ ever in his life....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: mmm740 on July 04, 2015, 10:28:55 PM
Maybe he used 155k JL.
If he were to fly into ADL it would cost 135k.
On their website it says taxes and fees on Emirates from US to UAE is  maximum $78.20.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on July 05, 2015, 07:25:42 AM
Don't think AJK paid YQ ever in his life....

I have documented proof that he has. 8)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on July 05, 2015, 11:51:39 AM
I have documented proof that he has. 8)
Yeah, I was talking miles + YQ not paying just YQ  ;) :P  :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 05, 2015, 12:28:23 PM
Don't think AJK paid YQ ever in his life....

I have documented proof that he has. 8)

Yeah, I was talking miles + YQ not paying just YQ  ;)  
Ha. I pretty much only pay YQ when there's an underlying glitch.

No YQ this time around.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: robbie on July 05, 2015, 12:36:08 PM
just curious where does everyone make those flight maps?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 05, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
Gcmap.com
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: shoobi on July 05, 2015, 01:26:26 PM
So, AJK, what's the breakdown of miles paid for this routing?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 07, 2015, 11:36:59 PM
Tougher to do than I'd imagine, and I probably could be convinced to move a couple up or down slightly (likely due to conflating hard v. soft), but here's an update:

Hard Product:

1a.      EY F on A346 (JFK-AUH)
1b.      SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)    
2.     QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)
3.     LH F on 744 (JFK-FRA; FRA-JFK)
4.     EK F on A380 (JFK-DXB-SIN)
5.     CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR, JFK-HKG)
6.     OZ F on A380 (ICN-LAX)
7.     JJ F on 777 (GRU-MIA)
8.     LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
9.     LH F on 748 (LAX-FRA)
10.   TG F on A380 (BKK-CDG, BKK-HKG)
11.   AA F on 777 (DFW-GRU)
12.   JL F on 777 (CGK-NRT)
13.   LH F on A340 (FRA-BOS)
14.   BA F on 744 (LHR-JFK)
15.   AA F on A321 T (JFK-LAX)
16.   TG F on 747 (old) (SYD-BKK)


Soft Product (limited to 5):
1.   LH F on 744 (FRA-JFK)
2.   SQ R on A380 (HKG-SIN-AKL)
3.   LH F on A380 (FRA-JNB)
4.   CX F on 777 (JFK-YVR)
5.   QF F on A380 (DXB-LHR)

Ground Service (limited to 5):

1.   TG at BKK
2.   LH at FRA
3.   EK at DXB
4.   EY at AUH
5.   SQ at SIN


Top 5 Bucket List (in order):

EY F on A380
GA F on 777
QR F on A380
MU F on 777
KE F on A380

Slight update; additions and revisions.

In ranking hard product, winners in close calls depended on the following (in no particular order):

1) The answer to the following question: "All else equal, who would I rather fly long-haul tomorrow?"
2) A380 > other aircraft (more personal space; significantly quieter; room for amenities)
3) Ease of speaking to a co-traveler (terrible in NH F, bad in CX F, excellent in products with doors)
4) Bed + Bedding (QF F hands down winner)
5) Amenities (EK F shower, SQ double-bed, LH F 744 seat + bed)
6) IFE (fantastic selection on EY/EK/SQ, poor on OZ/BA)

Without further ado--

Hard Product:


Soft Product (limited to 5):

Ground Service (limited to 5):

Top 5 Bucket List (in order):

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: D93 on July 21, 2015, 02:28:15 AM
Seems like you never flew QR.

Any particular reason?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 21, 2015, 09:18:12 AM
I haven't flown QR F. I have flown J.

Reason being their old F isn't very compelling, and their new F on A380 isn't on a route I've found myself able to incorporate in a trip.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: D93 on July 21, 2015, 02:10:42 PM
I haven't flown QR F. I have flown J.

Which plane?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 21, 2015, 02:21:26 PM
Which plane?

A321 + A333
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: shoobi on July 27, 2015, 09:32:41 PM
So, AJK, what's the breakdown of miles paid for this routing?

Bump
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 28, 2015, 10:19:57 AM
I can't be more specific this time around, unfortunately, aside from saying no animals were hurt in the making of this trip YQ was paid.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: shoobi on July 28, 2015, 10:23:35 AM
I respect that
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 31, 2015, 12:07:58 PM
Booked flight for 2 hours from now.

United's cost = $674

My cost = 12.5K AC +$5.60

CPM = 5.4 CPM

Long live the game! ("LLTG")
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 31, 2015, 12:16:26 PM
Booked flight for 2 hours from now.

United's cost = $674

My cost = 12.5K AC +$5.60

CPM = 5.4 CPM

Long live the game! ("LLTG")
Awesome! Routing?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 31, 2015, 12:17:57 PM
Awesome! Routing?

MEM<>EWR
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on July 31, 2015, 12:23:00 PM
MEM<>EWR
Amazing they can charge  so much for such a short flight. Kinda  like the US flights I booked last week, PHL-BGR//PWM-PHL. US wanted $816 BA wanted 9k+$11.20.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 31, 2015, 12:33:02 PM
Amazing they can charge  so much for such a short flight. Kinda  like the US flights I booked last week, PHL-BGR//PWM-PHL. US wanted $816 BA wanted 9k+$11.20.

At 950 mi, it's actually not terribly short.  By way of comparison NYC-ORD is 719 mi.

And those US flights are great... LLTG!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: lunatic on July 31, 2015, 12:37:59 PM
MEM<>EWR
No gcm....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 31, 2015, 12:43:27 PM
No gcm....
Gift card mall?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: lunatic on July 31, 2015, 12:46:12 PM
Great circle mapper
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on July 31, 2015, 12:46:49 PM
Great circle mapper
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: lunatic on July 31, 2015, 12:47:56 PM
Mem is hard to find....
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on August 02, 2015, 12:29:01 AM
My cost = 12.5K AC +$5.60
You sure it wasn't $10.10?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 02, 2015, 12:47:15 AM
Yup. Was weird, I know.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MEIR613 on August 02, 2015, 01:12:48 AM
Yup. Was weird, I know.
Very weird indeed. I just checked that route and it was $5.60.

Never seen that before.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: dpk4588 on August 02, 2015, 02:16:49 AM
MEM<>EWR
Whats <>? R/T?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 02, 2015, 02:17:25 AM
Just showing the route. I booked one-way.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 08:42:53 AM
Very weird indeed. I just checked that route and it was $5.60.

Never seen that before.

Oddly enough, the reverse route is $10.10.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 11:19:52 AM
Oddly enough, the reverse route is $10.10.

I haven't done the research, but assuming "Passenger Facility Charge" (XF) (which I believe is what is being collected here) should not be collected on awards, this may be (and I don't say this lightly) ripe for lawsuit.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 11:25:24 AM
1)
LGA-YYZ in Y
AA Cost = $298
My Cost = 4500 BA + $5.60
CPM = 6.6 CPM

2)
YYZ-YYJ in J
AC cost = $1000
My cost = 20K SQ + $40
CPM = ~5.0 CPM

LLTG!

(FYI, SQ will not allow a connection of >4 hours on US<>CA awards.)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 03, 2015, 11:32:40 AM
1)
LGA-YYZ in Y
AA Cost = $298
My Cost = 4500 BA + $5.60
CPM = 6.6 CPM

2)
YYZ-YYJ in J
AC cost = $1000
My cost = 20K SQ + $40
CPM = ~5.0 CPM

LLTG!

(FYI, SQ will not allow a connection of >4 hours on US<>CA awards.)
So you have a positioning flight to YYZ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 11:33:05 AM
So you have a positioning flight to YYZ?

Yup. The first flight above :)

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 03, 2015, 11:34:26 AM
Yup. The first flight above :)
:-[ How long in YYJ? It's gorgeous there! Plan on stopping by YVR while you're there?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 11:37:22 AM
:-[ How long in YYJ? It's gorgeous there! Plan on stopping by YVR while you're there?

A bit less than a week, as it stands now. No significant time in YVR this time 'round.

Hoping the AC/UA NYC-YYZ segment within 4 hours opens so I can cancel the BA booking to save the miles. We'll see.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 03, 2015, 11:50:01 AM
A bit less than a week, as it stands now. No significant time in YVR this time 'round.

Hoping the AC/UA NYC-YYZ segment within 4 hours opens so I can cancel the BA booking to save the miles. We'll see.
Make sense. Good luck and enjoy!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 11:54:41 AM
Make sense. Good luck and enjoy!
Thanks. I gather you've been to YYJ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 03, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
Thanks. I gather you've been to YYJ?
Yup! Great city. Between the inner harbour, The (Fairmount) Empress hotel, (provincial) Parlaiment, Butchart Gardens, and an amazing whale (orca) watching tour on a zodiac, we had a blast! Also at the time there  was a kosher bagel store, but I don't know if it's still there. I was there quite a few years ago. Keep in mind that as of when I was there only 3% of the hotels had AC.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 03, 2015, 12:00:39 PM
Yup! Great city. Between the inner harbour, The (Fairmount) Empress hotel, (provincial) Parlaiment, Butchart Gardens, and an amazing whale (orca) watching tour on a zodiac, we had a blast! Also at the time there  was a kosher bagel store, but I don't know if it's still there. I was there quite a few years ago. Keep in mind that as of when I was there only 3% of the hotels had AC.

Yeah, last time we were there I missed Butchart Gardens, though I hope to hit it this time. Were you successful in seeing the Orcas?

As for the AC issue, it won't be as we won't be staying in a hotel ;)

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 03, 2015, 12:04:15 PM
Yeah, last time we were there I missed Butchart Gardens, though I hope to hit it this time. Were you successful in seeing the Orcas?

As for the AC issue, it won't be as we won't be staying in a hotel ;)
We were successful. It was quite foggy, so while we were supposed to stay 1000 ft  (or so) away from any orcas, we accidentally ended up right on top of a small pod of them. They were literally swimming under our boat. The thing I liked about a zodiac is it's very fast, unlike many larger boats. I didn't like having to wear a space suit, but it was good protection from the wind generated from going to fast on the North Pacific.

Where will you be staying?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on August 05, 2015, 10:35:40 AM
I hope I found the right thread  ;)

How can I get LH to give me the rest of the bottle of Blue Label?....

They don't have first class amenity kits.  They were very apologetic. Can I in a very friendly way ask the FA on the way out if she can give me the blue label instead, to make out trip memorable?...  It looks like they open a new bottle for every flight anyway..
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 05, 2015, 10:36:37 AM
They're sooner to give you a bottle of champagne. Even then, they're not gonna give it to you without a reason...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on August 05, 2015, 10:38:43 AM
Yah. I wanna know what was YOUR reason. :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on August 06, 2015, 06:38:41 AM
1)
LGA-YYZ in Y
AA Cost = $298
My Cost = 4500 BA + $5.60
CPM = 6.6 CPM

2)
YYZ-YYJ in J
AC cost = $1000
My cost = 20K SQ + $40
CPM = ~5.0 CPM

LLTG!

(FYI, SQ will not allow a connection of >4 hours on US<>CA awards.)
When is your stopover in YYZ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: coralsnake on August 06, 2015, 07:08:49 AM
I hope I found the right thread  ;)

How can I get LH to give me the rest of the bottle of Blue Label?....

They don't have first class amenity kits.  They were very apologetic. Can I in a very friendly way ask the FA on the way out if she can give me the blue label instead, to make out trip memorable?...  It looks like they open a new bottle for every flight anyway..
They're sooner to give you a bottle of champagne. Even then, they're not gonna give it to you without a reason...
Cant you just convince them you're an alchoholic and its in there best interested to keep you wasted?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 06, 2015, 01:55:15 PM
When is your stopover in YYZ?

Well, it's no longer as of a little while ago.

Just changed from that itin to JFK-SFO-YYJ in J.  This way I get lie-flat biz + a connection of 55 min vs 4.5 hours.

Interesting phone call with SQ though. I call SQ to change to JFK-SFO and the first agent doesn't see that it's I1, despite me seeing it on UA.com and NH.com.

HUCA.

Second phone call I say a previous representative that me JFK-SFO is I1 and want to snag it.  He said, OK, I see it, but you can't change your prior booking to this one because it's a different carrier (from AC to UA), so you'll have to redeposit for $30 and make a new booking instead of changing for $20.  I said, go to your website...

(https://i.gyazo.com/8f970b442fbd1def07a0b3447dcb4b84.png)

He puts me on hold for 10 minutes and finally comes back and says, fine we can do it for $20.

He then says I need to collect an additional 12.5K.

No. NA-NA awards are 20K total in J and I've already paid that. He says, I know it's that way usually, but the computer is--and I cut him off and said please confirm with your supervisor.

Another 10 min hold and says fine, we'll do it for 20K, so no additional taxes and no additional miles.  Great! We say bye.

Success!

5 mins later... he calls me back on my cell phone (I had called from the office) and says:

..."I forgot to get your CC details for the $20 change fee."




Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on August 06, 2015, 02:09:23 PM
lol Customer Service Reps add all the fun to this game, eh?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 06, 2015, 02:18:45 PM
lol Customer Service Reps add all the fun to this game, eh?

They certainly add an element of randomness ...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 18, 2015, 12:07:47 AM
And we're baaaaaaack!

NYC <> SIN non-stop in 2018ish.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/airbus-plans-long-range-a350-to-fly-singapore-nyc-direct-by-2018
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 18, 2015, 12:10:29 AM
And we're baaaaaaack!

NYC <> SIN non-stop in 2018ish.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/airbus-plans-long-range-a350-to-fly-singapore-nyc-direct-by-2018
Cool! I wonder if LAX will get its nonstop to SIN again?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 18, 2015, 12:14:44 AM
And we're baaaaaaack!

NYC <> SIN non-stop in 2018ish.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/airbus-plans-long-range-a350-to-fly-singapore-nyc-direct-by-2018

Perfect!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 18, 2015, 09:12:56 AM
And we're baaaaaaack!

NYC <> SIN non-stop in 2018ish.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-17/airbus-plans-long-range-a350-to-fly-singapore-nyc-direct-by-2018
I knew i was holding out for a good reason.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 27, 2015, 05:27:34 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/d330130f8387941d14efd78a16051b1c.png)

Quiz here:

http://roadwarriorvoices.com/2015/08/26/quiz-how-much-of-an-expert-are-you-when-it-comes-to-airline-miles-and-points/
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 27, 2015, 05:32:30 PM
Good one, got 10/10 here too. Most here should be able to get that.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2015, 05:32:48 PM
Too easy, anyone that doesn't get all 10 gets banned ;)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 27, 2015, 05:32:51 PM
Quiz here:

http://roadwarriorvoices.com/2015/08/26/quiz-how-much-of-an-expert-are-you-when-it-comes-to-airline-miles-and-points/
Cool quiz! My results:
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 27, 2015, 05:33:32 PM
Too easy, anyone that doesn't get all 10 gets banned ;)

Amen to that :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 27, 2015, 05:34:09 PM
Too easy, anyone that doesn't get all 10 gets banned ;)
+1 Agreed, although if anyone didn't get 10/10 I doubt they'd post their results. And if they would have, they certainly won't now.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 27, 2015, 05:35:46 PM
Dan make a challenging quiz for us.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 27, 2015, 05:38:01 PM
I actually got 9/10. Did not get the cheapest AA redemption was to Central America. That'll teach me to start planning a trip that direction.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 27, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
I actually got 9/10. Did not get the cheapest AA redemption was to Central America. That'll teach me to start planning a trip that direction.
:o
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 27, 2015, 05:40:42 PM
:o
At least it is right before RH/YK and i can beg forgiveness.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2015, 05:46:54 PM
I actually got 9/10. Did not get the cheapest AA redemption was to Central America. That'll teach me to start planning a trip that direction.
Truth is that question is poor. Hawaii is 17.5K off-peak.
Though I assumed they meant year-round and picked CA.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on August 27, 2015, 05:47:34 PM
Truth is that question is poor. Hawaii is 17.5K off-peak.
Though I assumed they meant year-round and picked CA.
Validation! Thank you :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 27, 2015, 05:48:01 PM
Truth is that question is poor. Hawaii is 17.5K off-peak.
Though I assumed they meant year-round and picked CA.
That was my understanding, too, though it was not clear at specifying peak only.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on August 27, 2015, 05:48:19 PM
At least it is right before RH/YK and i can beg forgiveness.
מחול לך
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 27, 2015, 05:52:24 PM
Truth is that question is poor. Hawaii is 17.5K off-peak.
Though I assumed they meant year-round and picked CA.

Off peak Central America would still be cheaper at 15k.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: shoobi on August 27, 2015, 05:53:32 PM
I actually got 9/10. Did not get the cheapest AA redemption was to Central America. That'll teach me to start planning a trip that direction.

Me too! just got 9/10, same question wrong, i picked europe (thought off peak 20K)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2015, 05:54:29 PM
Off peak Central America would still be cheaper at 15k.
Good point :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 27, 2015, 05:57:46 PM
Plus the (sometimes overlooked) 10% miles rebate for being a cardholder, and it's a winner.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on August 27, 2015, 06:08:03 PM
I actually got 9/10. Did not get the cheapest AA redemption was to Central America. That'll teach me to start planning a trip that direction.
+1
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MC on August 27, 2015, 06:30:38 PM
So easy, even my spouse got a 10/10.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: D93 on August 27, 2015, 07:00:07 PM
So easy, even my spouse got a 10/10.
ALOL
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on August 27, 2015, 07:55:00 PM
I actually got 9/10. Did not get the cheapest AA redemption was to Central America. That'll teach me to start planning a trip that direction.
Same here. I picked Hawaii.  Though I'm not sure why most people suggested that Southwest is not a Chase UR partner  :o
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 27, 2015, 07:55:45 PM
Dan make a challenging quiz for us.

Good idea. We should make another 10 question quiz, a bit harder.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: ilherman on August 27, 2015, 07:57:03 PM
Good idea. We should make another 10 question quiz, a bit harder.
Dan already has some kind of challenging thread. I thing I wot last time  :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yaalili on August 27, 2015, 08:03:24 PM
Good idea. We should make another 10 question quiz, a bit harder.



With a timer too, or the noobs will search for the answers. Oh hey, do they know how to do that anuway?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 27, 2015, 08:04:11 PM
With a timer too, or the noobs will search for the answers. Oh hey, do they know how to do that anuway?

lol
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: harrym on August 28, 2015, 08:50:44 AM
I can't be more specific this time around, unfortunately, aside from saying no animals were hurt in the making of this trip YQ was paid.
KE?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 31, 2015, 12:40:41 AM
JFK-SJU on 9/3
and
ISP-FLL on 9/3

SJU-MIA on 9/6 and FLL-ISP on 9/7

Decisions, decisions.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: E R K on August 31, 2015, 12:52:42 AM
JFK-SJU on 9/3
and
ISP-FLL on 9/3

SJU-MIA on 9/6 and FLL-ISP on 9/7

Decisions, decisions.

Check the weather
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on August 31, 2015, 01:01:17 AM
Yeah, I know.  Both of them, of course, are conditioned on Erika subsiding.

But as of now, the weather in SJU looks great...

(https://i.gyazo.com/6d7d66545a0e9cb2f19e110e5616485a.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Moishebatchy on August 31, 2015, 06:02:37 AM
Yeah, I know.  Both of them, of course, are conditioned on Erika subsiding.

Never base anything important on the mood of a woman. 😜
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 01, 2015, 06:31:43 PM
JFK-SJU on 9/3
and
ISP-FLL on 9/3

SJU-MIA on 9/6 and FLL-ISP on 9/7

Decisions, decisions.

FLL/MIA it is. VQS is just too complicated to work out in such a short time.

ISP-FLL on 9/3
4 nights at Conrad MIA
FLL-ISP on 9/7

On tap:

Fuego, Zak the Baker, Foozo, and 26.

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 01, 2015, 06:42:00 PM
FLL/MIA it is. VQS is just too complicated to work out in such a short time.

ISP-FLL on 9/3
4 nights at Conrad MIA
FLL-ISP on 9/7

On tap:

Fuego, Zak the Baker, Foozo, and 26.
I guess the only way to book travel to FL during hurricane season is 2 days before. Enjoy!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 01, 2015, 07:38:50 PM
I guess the only way to book travel to FL during hurricane season is 2 days before. Enjoy!

Thanks. I hear good things about those restaurants, and I'm not in the mood to shlep food for a 3-4 day vacation.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on September 01, 2015, 07:40:43 PM
FLL/MIA it is. VQS is just too complicated to work out in such a short time.

ISP-FLL on 9/3
4 nights at Conrad MIA
FLL-ISP on 9/7

On tap:

Fuego, Zak the Baker, Foozo, and 26.
Come to DC with the MP's.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on September 01, 2015, 07:42:21 PM

Thanks. I hear good things about those restaurants, and I'm not in the mood to shlep food for a 3-4 day vacation.

Come back for Chol hamoed sukkos and join us in Miami!
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 01, 2015, 07:44:27 PM
Come to DC with the MP's.

Hmmm... got kosher restaurants there? Staying at PH? Sounds tempting.

How you flying? Or driving?

Come back for Chol hamoed sukkos and join us in Miami!

If TLV doesn't work out, that'll be a distinct possibility :P
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Ergel on September 01, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
Would voluntarily do to MIA in August?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 01, 2015, 07:59:40 PM
Thanks. I hear good things about those restaurants, and I'm not in the mood to shlep food for a 3-4 day vacation.
I can think of other destinations that don't require schlepping food and are a lot less humid... Hmmm, what might I be thinking of?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on September 01, 2015, 08:04:34 PM
I can think of other destinations that don't require schlepping food and are a lot less humid... Hmmm, what might I be thinking of?

Not true. BP can totally get humid!  ;D
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 01, 2015, 08:05:59 PM
Not true. BP can totally get humid!  ;D
Lol.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: lunatic on September 01, 2015, 08:06:57 PM
Come to DC with the MP's.

Hmmm... got kosher restaurants there? Staying at PH? Sounds tempting.

How you flying? Or driving?

If TLV doesn't work out, that'll be a distinct possibility
Baltimore do
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Buruch on September 01, 2015, 08:10:52 PM
Should have gone with SJU. Although admittedly, if Vieques and Culebra are not possible, Mia isn't necessarily worse than staying in San Juan. But maybe you shouldn't limit yourself to points options, try Airbnb on Vieques or Culebra - Mia doesn't hold a candle to them.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 01, 2015, 08:17:29 PM
Would voluntarily do to MIA in August?

Booking this close to Labor Day has its challenges. Beggars can't be choosers.

I can think of other destinations that don't require schlepping food and are a lot less humid... Hmmm, what might I be thinking of?

Yes, yes, LAX is definitely less humid, but it's also twice as far, and for a trip where I want to maximize ground time, use my CP, have good kosher restaurants and nice hotels, MIA fits the bill.

Humidity doesn't matter when you're in the pool :P

Should have gone with SJU. Although admittedly, if Vieques and Culebra are not possible, Mia isn't necessarily worse than staying in San Juan. But maybe you shouldn't limit yourself to points options, try Airbnb on Vieques or Culebra - Mia doesn't hold a candle to them.

Frankly, I almost did.

But when you combine the longer flights, the more expensive hotels, the $300 round trip SJU-VQS transfer per person (or an extremely annoying ferry transfer which takes a while in and of itself), the lack of kosher restaurants, MIA becomes a bit more compelling for a short trip like this. And there wasn't anyway I was gonna stay in SJU.

Not to mention the fact that I didn't officially have a way back from SJU, so I was going to have to do JFK-SJU on AA, then SJU-MIA on AA on Sunday night, 9/6, spend the night in MIA, then fly back FLL-ISP, but then, because I didn't leave ISP I wouldn't have my car, so I'd have to take an hour Uber, which wouldn't have been cheap.

So, all in all, it was just too much on the con-side vs MIA.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: shoobi on September 01, 2015, 08:20:16 PM
Come to DC with the MP's.

DO?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=55273.0
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 24, 2015, 04:50:07 PM
Not everyday you see a Cubana Ilyushin Il-96-300... (especially at JFK?).

I thought it was Shepherd One, but apparently he came in on AZ.

Anyone know what this is about?

(https://i.gyazo.com/91977dfc4055e41dd1dddc9d7d878412.png)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 24, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
Not everyday you see a Cubana Ilyushin Il-96-300... (especially at JFK?).

I thought it was Shepherd One, but apparently he came in on AZ.

Anyone know what this is about?

(https://i.gyazo.com/91977dfc4055e41dd1dddc9d7d878412.png)
Interesting, but no idea.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: MosheP on September 24, 2015, 06:23:08 PM
Not everyday you see a Cubana Ilyushin Il-96-300... (especially at JFK?).

I thought it was Shepherd One, but apparently he came in on AZ.

Anyone know what this is about?

(https://i.gyazo.com/91977dfc4055e41dd1dddc9d7d878412.png)
Apparently they fly HAV-JFK

Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 24, 2015, 06:27:21 PM
Apparently they fly HAV-JFK
Since when? Are you sure it wasn't a one off?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on September 24, 2015, 06:56:55 PM
Apparently they fly HAV-JFK

Scheduled service doesn't exist. This is probably a charter.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on September 24, 2015, 07:03:18 PM
Not everyday you see a Cubana Ilyushin Il-96-300... (especially at JFK?).

I thought it was Shepherd One, but apparently he came in on AZ.

Anyone know what this is about?

(https://i.gyazo.com/91977dfc4055e41dd1dddc9d7d878412.png)
Its UNGA week
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on September 24, 2015, 07:29:13 PM
Its UNGA week

Bingo! Raul's in town.

http://en.escambray.cu/2015/cuban-president-arrives-in-new-york-for-u-n-general-assembly/
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: chff on September 24, 2015, 07:31:19 PM
Not everyday you see a Cubana Ilyushin Il-96-300... (especially at JFK?).

I thought it was Shepherd One, but apparently he came in on AZ.

Anyone know what this is about?

(https://i.gyazo.com/91977dfc4055e41dd1dddc9d7d878412.png)
Shepard One was AZ to Andrews, DC to JFK to PHL to CIA is an American 772
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 24, 2015, 07:31:20 PM
Aha! So if it's government transport, I guess that's why I couldn't find any flight logs...
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 06:07:01 PM
Option 1: AMM-FRA-BOS-NYC on LH F for 75K SQ + $230

Option 2: AMM-DXB-JFK on EK F for 90K AS + $100

Both flights would require revenue flight from TLV-AMM on RJ at $150.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: elya on September 26, 2015, 06:21:11 PM
Option 1: AMM-FRA-BOS-NYC on LH F for 75K SQ + $230

Option 2: AMM-DXB-JFK on EK F for 90K AS + $100

Both flights would require revenue flight from TLV-AMM on RJ at $150.
Excuse my ignorance, but why wouldn't you fly tlv-fra?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 06:26:09 PM
I'll give you $754 reasons :)
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 06:29:50 PM
Option 1: AMM-FRA-BOS-NYC on LH F for 75K SQ + $230

Option 2: AMM-DXB-JFK on EK F for 90K AS + $100

Both flights would require revenue flight from TLV-AMM on RJ at $150.

Edit:

Was just told option one would be $532 SGD (which is approx $375 USD).
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: D93 on September 26, 2015, 07:50:30 PM
Both flights would require revenue flight from TLV-AMM on RJ at $150.
How are you getting that flight for so cheap?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: 1050BU on September 26, 2015, 07:57:59 PM

How are you getting that flight for so cheap?

Oh the magic of having some great friends
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on September 26, 2015, 08:03:40 PM
Option 1: AMM-FRA-BOS-NYC on LH F for 75K SQ + $230

Option 2: AMM-DXB-JFK on EK F for 90K AS + $100

Both flights would require revenue flight from TLV-AMM on RJ at $150.
Why is this even up for discussion? Option 2.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 08:28:40 PM
How are you getting that flight for so cheap?

Oh the magic of having some great friends

^

Why is this even up for discussion? Option 2.

I dunno, I've not had the chance to do Porsche rental in FRA... saves some miles... uses SQ which I have tons of and saves AS... knowing I could get another 8-10 hours in EK F for 10K more another time... etc.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 08:28:56 PM
Incidentally:

(https://i.gyazo.com/e624e60790e48fd943efe2646b7b87b1.png)


 :o :o :o
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on September 26, 2015, 08:34:24 PM
^

I dunno, I've not had the chance to do Porsche rental in FRA... saves some miles... uses SQ which I have tons of and saves AS... knowing I could get another 8-10 hours in EK F for 10K more another time... etc.
Distractions...
Incidentally:

(https://i.gyazo.com/e624e60790e48fd943efe2646b7b87b1.png)


 :o :o :o
That doesn't apply to you
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 26, 2015, 08:35:28 PM
Option 2 sounds better to me, having flown neither product, plus it's one less stop.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 08:37:55 PM
Distractions... That doesn't apply to you

Then why are they charging me?  ;) 8) >:(

Option 2 sounds better to me, having flown neither product, plus it's one less stop.

Yeah, leaning that way myself now. Though, among the reasons I'd choose option 1, is the last reason given above. I'm all about extracting max value, and this leaves some on the table. But, as I counseled someone recently, sometimes it is what it is. It's the flight getting me to where I need to be when I need to be there.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on September 26, 2015, 08:53:53 PM
Then why are they charging me?  ;) 8) >:(

Yeah, leaning that way myself now. Though, among the reasons I'd choose option 1, is the last reason given above. I'm all about extracting max value, and this leaves some on the table. But, as I counseled someone recently, sometimes it is what it is. It's the flight getting me to where I need to be when I need to be there.
Which product have you tried more? Does that make a difference to you?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: AJK on September 26, 2015, 08:56:26 PM
Flown LH many more times. Have only flown EK twice. Probably gonna just go with EK unless by some miracle TLV - FRA opens.
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: Matovu on September 26, 2015, 09:01:57 PM
What does have tons of SQ mean ?
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: 1050BU on September 26, 2015, 09:18:56 PM
What does have tons of SQ mean ?

Probable has tons of points by places that would transfer into SQ. Where as AS only transfers from SPG and BofA/AS got more strict lately on credit cards
Title: Re: AJK's Trip/Route Planning Thread
Post by: YMW on September 26, 2015, 09:21:31 PM