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Title: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 12:19:36 AM
Link (http://www.amazon.com/s/?_encoding=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=9325&field-keywords=Fisher-Price%20Loving%20Family%20Dream%20Dollhouse&linkCode=ur2&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AFisher-Price%20Loving%20Family%20Dream%20Dollhouse&tag=cl03f-20&url=search-alias%3Daps)

I don't want to be the one to break it to them, but the first doll house family ain't Caucasian.

Who the heck cares what race the family of their doll house is? Do we not want to offend some bigoted racists with accidentally allowing them to buy a doll house that is inhabited by racially diverse families. Who is searching for Caucasian only doll houses that Amazon or Fisher Price is trying to market to?

*sarcasm* Not to mention in the second product link (http://rcm-na.amazon-adsystem.com/e/cm?lt1=_blank&bc1=000000&IS2=1&bg1=FFFFFF&fc1=000000&lc1=0000FF&t=cl03f-20&o=1&p=8&l=as4&m=amazon&f=ifr&ref=ss_til&asins=B002SNIK4U) there is a picture of a black girl playing with a doll house of a white only family- isn't that just terrible? Mixing of the races is morally wrong- as is clear from these products marketing. *sarcasm*

Seriously though am I crazy is this a normal thing to market nowadays?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 12:35:30 AM
If someone prefers to stick to their own is that racist?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 12:45:27 AM
If someone prefers to stick to their own is that racist?
I think so. But that was my question. Is marketing to people who want their children to only play with dolls of their race considered racist.

reminds me of


Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: bubbles on December 20, 2013, 12:48:40 AM
Yeah, I actually got this particular doll house for my daughter and I preferred to get the "Caucasian" family.

Can you really not understand that?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 12:52:15 AM
Yeah, I actually got this particular doll house for my daughter and I preferred to get the "Caucasian" family.

Can you really not understand that?
Well what's was your logic?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: bubbles on December 20, 2013, 12:59:15 AM
Well what's was your logic?

Why wouldn't I prefer to have my daughter playing with dolls that more closely resemble the people she is pretending them to be? When the "mommy" is walking up the steps, I don't think my daughter is picturing an african american or hispanic woman.

Either way I'm going with CV on this one. I think most of us are more comfortable with our own "type".
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: menachem_m on December 20, 2013, 01:07:43 AM
Is marketing to people who want their children to only play with dolls of their race considered racist.
Keep in mind that alot of communities are 99% white, (like were I grew up), and unless you watch TV (which I didn't) your childhood would be completely black-person free. I didn't even know black people existed until maybe 7 or 8. I'm sure it can be very strange (if not psychologically negative ?) to a child to receive a black doll, having never seen a real black person in real life. I mean to child how is that different than receiving say, a pink doll? Same obviously vice versa.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 01:14:34 AM
Why wouldn't I prefer to have my daughter playing with dolls that more closely resemble the people she is pretending them to be? When the "mommy" is walking up the steps, I don't think my daughter is picturing an african american or hispanic woman.

Either way I'm going with CV on this one. I think most of us are more comfortable with our own "type".
Keep in mind that alot of communities are 99% white, (like were I grew up), and unless you watch TV (which I didn't) your childhood would be completely black-person free. I didn't even know black people existed until maybe 7 or 8. I'm sure it can be very strange (if not psychologically negative ?) to a child to receive a black doll, having never seen a real black person in real life. I mean to child how is that different than receiving say, a pink doll? Same obviously vice versa.
Fascinating to me. I grew up very close to racially diverse families so it has always been so natural for me.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 03:10:27 AM
Either way I'm going with CV on this one. I think most of us are more comfortable with our own "type".
The problem is most consider this racist. Many different races/religions like to have their own little community. If want to live in an all-white RC community I am labeled as a racist.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: wayfe on December 20, 2013, 03:22:58 AM
This has nothing to do with Amazon. Fisher-Price is the one who creates the dollhouse and dolls, allowing you to choose caucasian, african american or hispanic. I've seen it listed like this in their holiday catalogue years ago (10 or more years ago).

I'm sure it can be very strange (if not psychologically negative ?) to a child to receive a black doll, having never seen a real black person in real life. I mean to child how is that different than receiving say, a pink doll? Same obviously vice versa.

Actually, if a child isn't familiar with black people- then she won't be associating the dolls at all with the black stereotype. It will be the same as receiving a pink doll or a green doll. And since all child's play is about imagination anyway- why would it be "psychologically negative?"
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: whYME on December 20, 2013, 03:39:28 AM
If want to live in an all-white RC community I am labeled as a racist.
That sounds racist to me.

If you said all-RC that would be fine. Once you start excluding people based solely on race, that's racist. Wanting to live in a community that shares your values is understandable, excluding a like-minded family based on skin color is racist.


I see no problem with these toys. There's no reason a child shouldn't be able to play with a doll that looks like her.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: ChAiM'l on December 20, 2013, 04:04:55 AM
@JJ would you also consider these racist?

(http://www.greenfieldjudaica.com/itemimageslarge/MK102.jpg)

(http://www.greenfieldjudaica.com/itemimageslarge/MK101.jpg)

Also, if you were to buy these for your kids, would you choose the one with the shtreimel?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 04:07:50 AM
@JJ would you also consider these racist?

Also, if you were to buy these for your kids, would you choose the one with the shtreimel?
I can understand wanting Jewish only toys or only catholic themed toys. That has to do with a theology. But if there were white only mitzvah kinder I'd be back were I started.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: hertzinstl on December 20, 2013, 04:13:00 AM
If want to live in an all-white RC community I am labeled as a racist.
KKK? :o
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: ChAiM'l on December 20, 2013, 04:17:41 AM
I can understand wanting Jewish only toys or only catholic themed toys. That has to do with a theology. But if there were white only mitzvah kinder I'd be back were I started.

It has nothing to do with theology. It has to do with a child's imagination. Children play with toys and imagine themselves as that doll or GI Joe or whatever. Therefore, the more the child could relate to the toy the more they enjoy it. That's why there are mitzvah kinder toys , because Jewish kids could relate more to something that looks more like themselves. Same goes with black/white (or shall I say African American/Caucasian) toys.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 04:22:35 AM
It has nothing to do with theology. It has to do with a child's imagination. Children play with toys and imagine themselves as that doll or GI Joe or whatever. Therefore, the more the child could relate to the toy the more they enjoy it. That's why there are mitzvah kinder toys , because Jewish kids could relate more to something that looks more like themselves. Same goes with black/white (or shall I say African American/Caucasian) toys.
Too tired for a full response. But don't fool yourself into thinking mitzva kinder are to help a kid with imagination. Ot was made for very religious families that only want their kids or would rather their kids be exposes to only things from their community and kid with yalmukas is a great way to do that. I'm sure many communities forbid dolls but allow these.

That's the reason they were made. And that is theology.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 07:12:12 AM
KKK? :o
KKK is RC (Roman Catholic)?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 07:17:03 AM
That sounds racist to me.
Thats because it is racist. Religions love to hide behind race.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 20, 2013, 07:52:37 AM
Thats because it is racist. Religions love to hide behind race.
-1 I grew up in an all religious school and there was a black boy in my grade...
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: Menachem613 on December 20, 2013, 08:06:59 AM

-1 I grew up in an all religious school and there was a black boy in my grade...

Oh, all is ok then.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: SamKey on December 20, 2013, 09:27:46 AM
-1 I grew up in an all religious school and there was a black boy in my grade...
#chabad
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
-1 I grew up in an all religious school and there was a black boy in my grade...
I am going to guess most here went to religious schools. How about we add up all the black kids that went to the same school. I will start with myself, 3 brothers, two sister and four children. They would add up to a big ZERO. Who wants to be next?
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: lfas25 on December 20, 2013, 09:41:55 AM
I am going to guess most here went to religious schools. How about we add up all the black kids that went to the same school. I will start with myself, 3 brothers, two sister and four children. They would add up to a big ZERO. Who wants to be next?

In Poland you don't have black families?   :o
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
In Poland you don't have black families?   :o
Yes we do but not in Catholic schools.  ;)
This way we can pretend we are not racist.  :)
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: MeToo on December 20, 2013, 09:48:47 AM
I'm going to venture to say that this is actually  marketing to non-Caucasians, who want their kids to play with their own kind. 
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 20, 2013, 09:53:13 AM
I am going to guess most here went to religious schools. How about we add up all the black kids that went to the same school. I will start with myself, 3 brothers, two sister and four children. They would add up to a big ZERO. Who wants to be next?
Most here went to religious JEWISH schools, the reason why there would be few, if any, black kids in a Jewish school has less to do with racial profiling and more to do with the fact that there aren't that many black Jews...
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 10:00:40 AM
Most here went to religious JEWISH schools, the reason why there would be few, if any, black kids in a Jewish school has less to do with racial profiling and more to do with the fact that there aren't that many black Jews...
I guess that would be the same reason when I grew up (change Jewish to Catholic).  ;)
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: Dan on December 20, 2013, 10:05:07 AM
Well there almost was a black pope.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: good sam on December 20, 2013, 11:21:08 AM
I'm going to venture to say that this is actually  marketing to non-Caucasians, who want their kids to play with their own kind.
Viharaya- AA set is significantly more expensive than the Caucasian.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: A3 on December 20, 2013, 12:04:13 PM
Amazon consistently prices two identical products in different colors different from each other.
There two doll houses when I just checked, they are not even being sold by Amazon, they are being sold by a third party, a different party for each doll house as well...
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: menachem_m on December 20, 2013, 01:47:06 PM
Amazon consistently prices two identical products in different colors different from each other.
There two doll houses when I just checked, they are not even being sold by Amazon, they are being sold by a third party, a different party for each doll house as well...
Like this?
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/21/9y9e3ava.jpg)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/12/21/5a2ubyde.jpg)
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: jj1000 on December 20, 2013, 01:48:54 PM
Like this?
But aren't brunettes cheaper than blondes and red heads on the real market too?

/Sorry bad humor.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: twentie4hrs on December 20, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
But aren't brunettes cheaper than blondes and red heads on the real market too?

/Sorry bad humor.
+1
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: CountValentine on December 20, 2013, 04:34:45 PM
But aren't brunettes cheaper than blondes and red heads on the real market too?
Not sure about cheaper than red heads but I can tell you for a fact that blondes cost more on the "real" market.

/Sorry no humor.
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: Ergel on December 21, 2013, 07:05:14 PM
Not sure about cheaper than red heads but I can tell you for a fact that blondes cost more on the "real" market.

/Sorry no humor.
TMI
Title: Re: Is Amazon racist?
Post by: BigDanFan on December 22, 2013, 04:32:36 PM
Not sure about cheaper than red heads but I can tell you for a fact that blondes cost more on the "real" market.
/Sorry no humor.
Apparently the African American Famly and dollhouse costs more on Amazon than the Caucasian one:
http://www.amazon.com/African-American-family-expensive-Caucasian/forum/Fx2PCVQVQZDQ3UU/Tx23AUX4GYIJRKG/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_aar_al_a?_encoding=UTF8&asin=B0077NCEX4

According to Amazon customer service:
"Items have different prices.These prices are set up by the manufacturers and their distributing companies directly, it depends entirely on the market, and since it's constantly fluctuating. I can see at this moment the Caucasian doll house has 33% discount. If you go to the site, you will see that its a different seller. We can not control the prices the sellers use for their items. The sellers for this item are different each seller has a different contract with the manufacturer, therefore they set up a different price in the item."
Need to click on rectangle in the link -
African American $92: http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Loving-Family-Dollhouse-Caucasian/dp/B0077NCEX4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387747648&sr=8-1&keywords=Fisher-Price+Loving+Family+Dream+Dollhouse
Caucasian $75:  http://www.amazon.com/Fisher-Price-Loving-Family-Dollhouse-Caucasian/dp/B0077NCEX4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1387747648&sr=8-1&keywords=Fisher-Price+Loving+Family+Dream+Dollhouse