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Title: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 03, 2014, 09:45:27 AM
http://www.vosizneias.com/151288/2014/01/03/brooklyn-ny-businessman-abducted-from-his-williamsburg-office/

Please pray for מנחם משולם בן שאניא עטי'ה

See these articles:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/southside-associates-llc-brooklyn?nb=1

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2011/07/12/israel-perlmuter-known-as-sam-perl-and-menachem-stark-face-51m-in-property-suits-over-williamsburg-and-greenpoint-developments/
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Menachem613 on January 03, 2014, 09:54:51 AM
Why are you posting Loshon Harah on a Yid during his time of need? Do you need to kick him while he's down?
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Moshe123 on January 03, 2014, 09:58:15 AM
Why are you posting Loshon Harah on a Yid during his time of need? Do you need to kick him while he's down?

What lashon hara? Just a background for people who are asking, where out of the blue did this happen and those two links provide a little background info that he's big in real estate and apparently owes millions. I would assume he got entangled with the mafia.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Yitz on January 03, 2014, 10:12:04 AM
Why are you posting Loshon Harah on a Yid during his time of need? Do you need to kick him while he's down?
+1
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Bostener on January 03, 2014, 10:30:23 AM
Please pray for מנחם משולם בן שאניא עטי'ה
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Bostener on January 03, 2014, 10:31:57 AM
Have you seen this mini van?
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: A3 on January 03, 2014, 11:19:41 AM
What's a douge?
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: jj1000 on January 03, 2014, 11:30:21 AM
What's a douge?
Just look it up in the dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Douge).
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: AI-TRAVEL on January 03, 2014, 11:34:01 AM
Maybe doosh
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Moshe123 on January 03, 2014, 11:40:31 AM
Just look it up in the dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Douge).

Lol
You don't expect someone from willitown to be able to spell "Dodge".
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: bznt on January 03, 2014, 11:40:43 AM
Dodge / Chrysler
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: A3 on January 03, 2014, 11:43:36 AM
Maybe doosh

That's what I was thinking
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Bostener on January 03, 2014, 11:47:18 AM
Just look it up in the dictionary (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Douge).

Lol
I don't have twitter so can't reach this twitter writer from Wmsbg News I just got this text to me.

But we are forgetting the main point here is to daven, give  tzeduckh and do everything we can to find him.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Salty on January 03, 2014, 11:53:15 AM
What's a douge?

Dodge
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: A3 on January 03, 2014, 12:08:59 PM
Lol
I don't have twitter so can't reach this twitter writer from Wmsbg News I just got this text to me.

But we are forgetting the main point here is to daven, give  tzeduckh and do everything we can to find him.

Which bank should we give the tzedaka to?
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: DovtheBear on January 03, 2014, 12:15:42 PM
/photo/1
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: good sam on January 03, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
Maybe doosh
That's not even close to how you spell it.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Bostener on January 03, 2014, 02:39:37 PM
Which bank should we give the tzedaka to?

Ask CV and he will explain you what yzedaka is.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Centro on January 03, 2014, 05:00:23 PM
Any updates ??
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: hocker on January 04, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-body-found-long-island-feared-abducted-brooklyn-landlord-article-1.1566192

Surprised they don't call him a rabbi, unless only Jewish criminals are Rabbis.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: farvus nisht? on January 04, 2014, 02:29:03 PM
Unfortunately they just confirmed that the body found in the dumpster.... BD"E
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Dr Moose on January 04, 2014, 02:30:39 PM
BD"E
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Dr Moose on January 04, 2014, 02:44:58 PM
http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/cops-body-of-menachem-stark-found-in-great-neck-trash-container-1.6732079?firstfree=yes (http://www.newsday.com/long-island/nassau/cops-body-of-menachem-stark-found-in-great-neck-trash-container-1.6732079?firstfree=yes)
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: ChAiM'l on January 04, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
Which bank should we give the tzedaka to?

Someone's life was in danger and that was all you could come up with?
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: A3 on January 04, 2014, 05:53:54 PM
Sad.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: ilherman on January 04, 2014, 06:30:07 PM
 :-X
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: zale on January 04, 2014, 06:34:54 PM
BD"H. Hashem should comfort his family.

This sounds like a professional hit. The way he was found was meant to make a statement.

Also, the fact that they picked him right off a street in the middle of Williamsburg may indicate that this is (very sadly) an inside job.

If I recall correctly, Ephraim Klein was murdered in the middle of CH, and initial video surveillance suggested a white minivan. He was also involved in real estate, and rumors we're circulating about it being a Williamsburg mafia hit.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Myccrabbi on January 04, 2014, 06:37:13 PM
BDE :(
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Moshe123 on January 04, 2014, 06:37:34 PM
http://nypost.com/2014/01/04/burned-body-in-dumpster-might-be-kidnapped-hasid-cops/
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: Moshe123 on January 04, 2014, 06:41:05 PM
BDE
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: ilherman on January 04, 2014, 07:02:56 PM
http://t.co/4zvkIxvFfQ

Nebech  :-X
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: rots5 on January 04, 2014, 07:16:40 PM
bde!!
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: zale on January 04, 2014, 07:34:59 PM
http://t.co/4zvkIxvFfQ

Nebech  :-X

I can't see anything in that tape except for a few moving figures. I'm surprised the cops are able to figure out what's happening in the video.
Title: Re: Menachem Shtark (Max Stark) kidnapped by mafia (apparently)
Post by: popcorn1508 on January 04, 2014, 07:36:18 PM
I can't see anything in that tape except for a few moving figures. I'm surprised the cops are able to figure out what's happening in the video.
I cant even get it to play
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 04, 2014, 08:21:12 PM
Oy! :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 04, 2014, 08:27:52 PM
BDE
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 04, 2014, 09:10:29 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/151366/2014/01/05/live-video-funeral-of-menacham-stark
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 04, 2014, 09:16:33 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/151366/2014/01/05/live-video-funeral-of-menacham-stark
Thanks
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SavingsBigtime on January 04, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
B''de very sad
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Something Fishy on January 04, 2014, 09:59:01 PM
OMG. I'm in shock.

BDE.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: udip3146 on January 04, 2014, 10:19:36 PM
BDE :-[
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 04, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
ברוך דיין האמת

Im literally crying, i can't get his face off my mind,

תנצבה
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 04, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
BD'E. I can't get my head around this story
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: chff on January 04, 2014, 11:15:55 PM
Google street view of 320 Rutledge shows slain Menachem Stark z"l in his car (latest shot in December 2012) http://t.co/EQqAt6fj19"
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 04, 2014, 11:30:30 PM
Google street view of 320 Rutledge shows slain Menachem Stark z"l in his car (latest shot in December 2012) http://t.co/EQqAt6fj19"
"That is Hatzolah member W-81, NOT Menachem Stark.
11:17pm - 4 Jan 14"
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 05, 2014, 12:57:12 AM
BD'E
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 05, 2014, 01:31:34 AM
Alex Gurvitz person of interest in the murder of menachem stark (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/05/jahu9y7e.jpg)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Palm5 on January 05, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Alex Gurvitz person of interest in the murder of menachem stark (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/05/jahu9y7e.jpg)

The hard money lender? Where did you see this. Nothing in the news
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 02:11:00 AM
Alex Gurvitz person of interest in the murder of menachem stark (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/05/jahu9y7e.jpg)
A yid?

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 02:18:00 AM
The hard money lender? Where did you see this. Nothing in the news
+1. Google haves nothing.... Please elaborate
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 05, 2014, 02:41:28 AM
+1. Google haves nothing.... Please elaborate
He probably received the pic and with the title from a whattsapp group (I did too) and posted it... no more info.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 05, 2014, 02:52:51 AM
He probably received the pic and with the title from a whattsapp group (I did too) and posted it... no more info.
Correct.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: fc on January 05, 2014, 03:03:01 AM
Gurevich
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 03:13:06 AM
WTH are you guys posting pictures here from someone Gurvich?.....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 07:15:40 AM
This. Is.  Ridiculous.
They believe this is cute?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 07:30:26 AM
Classic NY POST.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Shreknit on January 05, 2014, 07:32:09 AM
That is so disgusting.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 05, 2014, 07:41:41 AM
Sick.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 05, 2014, 07:44:01 AM
This. Is.  Ridiculous.
They believe this is cute?
the premise is ridiculous, which tenants would even think of murdering a landlord cuz their plumbing didn't get fixed?

Find out who commissioned this headline in the post and you will find the killer.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: chff on January 05, 2014, 08:11:40 AM
The post didn't title him a rabbi?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 05, 2014, 08:16:40 AM
This. Is.  Ridiculous.
They believe this is cute?

Mesh

This is very sad.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 05, 2014, 08:30:45 AM
#StopNYPostHate
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ya on January 05, 2014, 08:39:02 AM
Send a email it takes 10sec...

Contact @nypost & demand removal of disgusting assaulting article regarding M Shtark.
212-930-8000 Ext 2
Letters@nypost.com
#StopNYPostHate
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 05, 2014, 08:39:15 AM
the premise is ridiculous, which tenants would even think of murdering a landlord cuz their plumbing didn't get fixed?
Wanting someone dead and killing them yourself are not the same.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 08:52:22 AM
.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 05, 2014, 09:09:57 AM
The NY Post is utterly DISTGUSTING, Despicapble and full of hate! Shame on them!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:12:41 AM
Truth is they go both ways (Arafat headline comes to mind). But a ridiculous headline like this is a mere way to sell papers.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 05, 2014, 09:14:25 AM
Truth is they go both ways (Arafat headline comes to mind). But a ridiculous headline like this is a mere way to sell papers.

ARE YOU SERIOUS?! One is an unrepentant terrorist who killed and maimed thousands of innocent men, women and children. Was responsible for multiple american deaths as well.
The other...

It's also a mere way to spread hate, and vilify a dead man who can't defend himself while his family is still grieving his horrible torturous death.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:15:24 AM
ARE YOU SERIOUS?!
About that it's ridiculous? Yes
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 09:15:27 AM
Truth is they go both ways (Arafat headline comes to mind). But a ridiculous headline like this is a mere way to sell papers.
You can't even compare... (I'm not blaming you just stating a fact)

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 05, 2014, 09:18:30 AM
Truth is they go both ways
:o???Not only are they nasty with regular people, they're nasty with criminals as well. Where's the logic in that? (The both ways thing.)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 05, 2014, 09:19:19 AM
Truth is they go both ways (Arafat headline comes to mind). But a ridiculous headline like this is a mere way to sell papers.
Sometimes the truth hurts and the truth is that this type of stuff sells.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:20:15 AM
You can't even compare... (I'm not blaming you just stating a fact)
My point is that they just love posting insensitive headlines for publicity and at anybody's expense. They do this ALL the time.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: jj1000 on January 05, 2014, 09:23:56 AM
Send a email it takes 10sec...

Contact @nypost & demand removal of disgusting assaulting article regarding M Shtark.
212-930-8000 Ext 2
Letters@nypost.com
#StopNYPostHate
If every yid in NY cancels there subscription today it'll say a lot more than angry emails.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Shmulie on January 05, 2014, 09:25:12 AM
If every yid in NY cancels there subscription today it'll say a lot more than angry emails.
I dont know why any yid in NY would have the nypost to begin with
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on January 05, 2014, 09:27:24 AM
If every yid in NY cancels there subscription today it'll say a lot more than angry emails.

+1 I feel like when it comes to media a bunch of angry emails just shows that everyone is reading their paper, which is exactly what they want.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 09:27:38 AM
I dont know why any yid in NY would have the nypost to begin with

+100
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: wayfe on January 05, 2014, 09:29:13 AM
Wanting someone dead and killing them yourself are not the same.

And not liking somebody is not the same as wanting them dead
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: wayfe on January 05, 2014, 09:32:21 AM
The article also had some pretty ridiculous quotes:

“His slanted shtreimel on his head gives his crookedness away,” one commenter wrote on FailedMessiah.com, referring to the victim’s fur hat in a photo.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/05/slain-slumlord-found-in-trash-had-enemies-list-a-mile-long/

Seriously?!?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 09:35:15 AM
The article also had some pretty ridiculous quotes:

“His slanted shtreimel on his head gives his crookedness away,” one commenter wrote on FailedMessiah.com, referring to the victim’s fur hat in a photo.

http://nypost.com/2014/01/05/slain-slumlord-found-in-trash-had-enemies-list-a-mile-long/

Seriously?!?
He is a old meshugener.....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Joe4007 on January 05, 2014, 09:35:56 AM
 http://t.co/cHoed3JKmC
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:45:23 AM
I dont know why any yid in NY would have the nypost to begin with
huh? For page 7.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 09:50:03 AM
http://interjew.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/to-editors-of-new-york-post.html?m=1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Shmulie on January 05, 2014, 09:51:01 AM
huh? For page 7.
Whats on page 7?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 09:52:10 AM
@ergel
No. But the Russians would have the same response.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yitzyul on January 05, 2014, 09:53:28 AM
What about Pix 11 that quotes some stupid expert, that they have to see if Chabad is behind it because he is satmar???

#UNFRIEKENBELIVEBALETHISSOCALLEDEXPERT
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 09:56:12 AM
Ha, I lol'ed when I watched it.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 10:13:31 AM
What about Pix 11 that quotes some stupid expert, that they have to see if Chabad is behind it because he is satmar???

#UNFRIEKENBELIVEBALETHISSOCALLEDEXPERT
Dan where exactly were you in between your Teaneck and 5T seminar?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 05, 2014, 10:14:36 AM
Dan where exactly were you in between your Teaneck and 5T seminar?
:'(
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 05, 2014, 10:15:20 AM
If every yid in NY cancels there subscription today it'll say a lot more than angry emails.

Not sure what their subscription numbers are altogether. I believe that the majority of their paper sales are from people picking it up from stands at groceries etc, thus the desperate, attention-grabbing headlines...

According to this article, the nypost is not profitable and will soon die out:
http://nymag.com/news/features/new-york-post-2013-10/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 10:19:55 AM
Whats on page 7?
Its the page after 6
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 10:35:23 AM
@mocha
why are you so corny today?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 10:37:40 AM
@mocha
why are you so corny today?
It was my yogurt. But it's inappropriate for this thread so I will stop.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Steven on January 05, 2014, 10:38:41 AM
Totally
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 05, 2014, 12:29:30 PM

So this, thought I'd post...
https://www.change.org/petitions/new-york-post-stop-the-hate?share_id=idCHfuxXZa (https://www.change.org/petitions/new-york-post-stop-the-hate?share_id=idCHfuxXZa)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 05, 2014, 12:44:48 PM
d96ba5248371239349e32b38e3bcfbd2.3gp
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 05, 2014, 12:45:23 PM
Whoops that didn't work
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MisterHock on January 05, 2014, 12:48:16 PM
Brooklyn, NY – Brooklyn Borough president Eric Adams is calling a press conference at Three O’clock this afternoon in front of Brooklyn Borough Hall to respond to the NY Posts Heinous justification of the Stark Abduction and killing.

Borough Hall is located at 209 Joralemon St. Brooklyn, NY.

We call on all members of the Jewish community to make your business to get there, and show your disgust with the NY Post.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 05, 2014, 12:52:07 PM
https://db.tt/ohPdgXsI
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 05, 2014, 12:57:41 PM
https://db.tt/ohPdgXsI
Same as the youtube video 2 posts earlier.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Reb Jo on January 05, 2014, 01:02:46 PM
Brooklyn, NY – Brooklyn Borough president Eric Adams is calling a press conference at Three O’clock this afternoon in front of Brooklyn Borough Hall to respond to the NY Posts Heinous justification of the Stark Abduction and killing.

Borough Hall is located at 209 Joralemon St. Brooklyn, NY.

We call on all members of the Jewish community to make your business to get there, and show your disgust with the NY Post.
The only for this protest to really have an effect would be if the same amount of people who at the levaya yesterday would come out today and make a statement!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 01:20:03 PM
From the NYPost:
“Any number of people wanted to kill this guy,” one law-enforcement source said of Menachem “Max” Stark, 39, describing the father of eight as embroiled in several “shady” real-estate transactions and being up to his tuchus in debt.

 :o
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on January 05, 2014, 01:20:39 PM
To the editors of the New York Post.

I'm writing to you from one of the local boroughs in London, England. I'm not writing to you as a New Yorker, neither as a frequent reader of your tabloid publication, but rather as a person with human feelings and senses. Yes, good assumption, I'm writing to you regarding today's front page of your paper.

As mentioned, I'm not a reader of your paper as in general I try to be the least possible affiliated with secular and impure papers. But toady was an exception. 

I woke up early morning just to open my email inbox to find several emails of friends, with an attached copy of today's front page. My heart stopped beating for an instant. I didn't believe it. I didn't accept it too. 

Without going in to story details, please note; with today's cover you ripped off the human nature; you abolished the barrier between humanity and atrocity; you legitimated murderer; you made business subjects a green light for utter barbarity; you introduced horror as a normal way of life; you have completely ignored and suffocated any feelings of friends and family; of 8 innocent orphans; and yet endorsed absolute wickedness.

Regardless of the story behind- which has not yet been clarified by the police dept., yet 'confirmed' by the Post- even if we take it for granted that he had business-enemies etc. murderer is not the way to deal about it. Especially by the terms of human living. Does kidnapping  father of 8, and dumping his burnt body in a public dumpster sound normal or considered acceptable as to gain legitimation on your cover? We humans don't think so. But you inhumane editors of the shameful New York Post feel that this is the right way to cover this story. 

This is not the issue of an allegation against a member of the community, where there is a two-side story and you chose to accept the side of the victim before the jury even started their procedure. This is the case between murderer; manslaughter and Mafia kind of crime and a businessman. Lets even agree he was a tough businessman, does he deserve slaughtering for that? If the answer is yes, does the same applies to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos or to the Apple chiefs that produce their products in un-fair worker environments in China.... Hmmm, I doubt it. The contrary. I don't doubt it. No one deserves it.

How dare you to take the side of the underworld and the dark ideals of money-grubbing brutality and stunning cruelty. 

Shame on you. You've become the mouthpiece for Murderers (as one twitter user put it right)! 
How perfect are the words of Alexander Hamilton after seeing what his Post has turned into; "When I founded the NY Post as the NY Evening Post, I didn't have That in mind". 

That's all
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on January 05, 2014, 01:21:37 PM
I didn't write tht I'm just fwd Wat a friend of mine did.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ChAiM'l on January 05, 2014, 01:24:52 PM
I didn't write tht I'm just fwd Wat a friend of mine did.

A friend of yours wrote or forwarded?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HowYaDoin on January 05, 2014, 01:28:04 PM
To the editors of the New York Post.


Without going in to story details, please note; with today's cover you ripped off the human nature; you abolished the barrier between humanity and atrocity; you legitimated murderer; you made business subjects a green light for utter barbarity; you introduced horror as a normal way of life; you have completely ignored and suffocated any feelings of friends and family; of 8 innocent orphans.....
Well said
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 05, 2014, 01:31:16 PM
I didn't write tht I'm just fwd Wat a friend of mine did.
http://interjew.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/to-editors-of-new-york-post.html?m=1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 05, 2014, 01:31:56 PM
It's starting...

ETA: This seems to be her Linkedin account...  http://www.linkedin.com/in/alinafabozzi (http://www.linkedin.com/in/alinafabozzi)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on January 05, 2014, 01:33:51 PM
What is the story exactly? Was he mistreating his tenants?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 05, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
What is the story exactly? Was he mistreating his tenants?

According to the NY post who quotes unnamed sources...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ual902 on January 05, 2014, 01:45:35 PM
According to the NY post who quotes unnamed sources...

The nypost has used comments as their source from the same trolls that post over and over and over and over day and night on FM. That is thier source.

 Nypost acts as a judge and jury.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 01:47:42 PM
What is the story exactly? Was he mistreating his tenants?
Possibly.
No reason to make inappropriate fun of of a husband and father of 8 kids aged 1-15.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Steven on January 05, 2014, 01:49:48 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/erynupug.jpg)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Palm5 on January 05, 2014, 01:50:24 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0JqAXu4LU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJT0JqAXu4LU

Go to 1:30
Title: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 01:51:14 PM
Great that people are writing letters but can't they have someone spellcheck or edit them first?

The writing is awful, and that especially applies to the petition on change.org

Writing like a first grader only undercuts the cause.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yhakak on January 05, 2014, 01:51:41 PM
The Post is a cheap, sleazy tabloid, i honestly expected no better of them. However, i think the writer of this letter misses a main point, and that is that in addition to the Post's coverage being inhumane, it's also vehemently anti-semitic.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yhakak on January 05, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
Agree. Also writing that you usually don't read "secular" and "impure" papers doesn't help your cause. It's also completely incomprehensible to anyone who isn't an orthodox Jew what you're talking about.


Great that people are writing letters but can't they have someone spellcheck or edit tgem first?

The writing is awful, and that especially applies to the petition on change.org

Writing like a first grader only undercuts the cause.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Crazy tools on January 05, 2014, 01:56:24 PM
So maybe we should start to call macys -the NY Posts biggest advertiser, and ask them to stop advertising there till they retract their headlines...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yitzyul on January 05, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
It's starting...

ETA: This seems to be her Linkedin account...  http://www.linkedin.com/in/alinafabozzi (http://www.linkedin.com/in/alinafabozzi)

Ppl should email her for quotes on big projects (as she is apparently unemployed) she will get all excited then cancel because she is anti Semitic.

http://www.decembria.com/contact.php
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 02:00:34 PM
So maybe we should start to call macys -the NY Posts biggest advertiser, and ask them to stop advertising there till they retract their headlines...
+100

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 02:00:50 PM
Amidst the outrage there is a bigger lesson here. Don't think that a religious Jewish person treating people terribly is just between you and them (although clearly that could have horrible consequences as well).

In death this man has caused a bigger chilul Hashem than in life. Whether or not the allegations are all true, it's very hard not to imagine that there was some shady activity or mistreatment that took place.

As they say "They don't say such stories about you or me"

When you act inappropriately, you are drilling a hole in your room on the boat but we will all be affected.

This is not meant to be a criticism of him but a lesson to us.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 02:01:55 PM
IIRC a few years ago the post printed a list of the 10 worst slumlords of NYC and every single one was a religious Jew
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yhakak on January 05, 2014, 02:06:52 PM
What do you mean, it's not meant to be a criticism of him? You are explicitly criticizing him, by essentially claiming that "where there's smoke, there's fire".  I'm not saying you don't have a valid point, but it certainly is criticism.

Amidst the outrage there is a bigger lesson here. Don't think that a religious Jewish person treating people terribly is just between you and them (although clearly that could have horrible consequences as well).

In death this man has caused a bigger chilul Hashem than in life. Whether or not the allegations are all true, it's very hard not to imagine that there was some shady activity or mistreatment that took place.

As they say "They don't say such stories about you or me"

When you act inappropriately, you are drilling a hole in your room on the boat but we will all be affected.

This is not meant to be a criticism of him but a lesson to us.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 05, 2014, 02:08:15 PM
Ppl should email her for quotes on big projects (as she is apparently unemployed) she will get all excited then cancel because she is anti Semitic.

http://www.decembria.com/contact.php
she's an ex associate at wm. Probably from the no GC type...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 02:13:51 PM

What do you mean, it's not meant to be a criticism of him? You are explicitly criticizing him, by essentially claiming that "where there's smoke, there's fire".  I'm not saying you don't have a valid point, but it certainly is criticism.

I don't care to criticize him because there's no point. He's not around anymore.

The only value is to try and prevent another episode like this.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 05, 2014, 02:17:39 PM
https://db.tt/XXIShHlp

Sad sad sad
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 05, 2014, 02:20:04 PM
It's starting...

ETA: This seems to be her Linkedin account...  http://www.linkedin.com/in/alinafabozzi (http://www.linkedin.com/in/alinafabozzi)
This seems really over the top. Is she the writer of this article?




The writing is awful, and that especially applies to the petition on change.org

Writing like a first grader only undercuts the cause.
+1. The pinned piece of VIN isn't much better, either.
Great that people are writing letters but can't they have someone spellcheck or edit them first?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2014, 02:22:55 PM
Amidst the outrage there is a bigger lesson here. Don't think that a religious Jewish person treating people terribly is just between you and them (although clearly that could have horrible consequences as well).

In death this man has caused a bigger chilul Hashem than in life. Whether or not the allegations are all true, it's very hard not to imagine that there was some shady activity or mistreatment that took place.

As they say "They don't say such stories about you or me"

When you act inappropriately, you are drilling a hole in your room on the boat but we will all be affected.

This is not meant to be a criticism of him but a lesson to us.
SHUT UP!! Keep your stupidity to yourself. You don't understand timing. עת לשתוק. It's the 1st day of Shiva.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 02:24:24 PM
SHUT UP!!
How about you?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 05, 2014, 02:26:33 PM
SHUT UP!! Keep your stupidity to yourself. You don't understand timing. עת לשתוק. It's the 1st day of Shiva.


And a great time for everyone to think how they can better themselves.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 02:27:59 PM

SHUT UP!! Keep your stupidity to yourself. You don't understand timing. עת לשתוק. It's the 1st day of Shiva.
When is the right time? I'll repost it then.

If he was friend or family, sorry for your loss.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 05, 2014, 02:29:09 PM
SHUT UP!! Keep your stupidity to yourself. You don't understand timing. עת לשתוק. It's the 1st day of Shiva.

And a great time for everyone to think how they can better themselves.


טוֹב לָלֶכֶת אֶל בֵּית אֵבֶל מִלֶּכֶת אֶל בֵּית מִשְׁתֶּה בַּאֲשֶׁר הוּא סוֹף כָּל הָאָדָם וְהַחַי יִתֵּן אֶל לִבּוֹ.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dr Moose on January 05, 2014, 02:29:41 PM
If he was friend or family, sorry for your loss.
He was a yid.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 05, 2014, 02:33:23 PM


If he was friend or family, sorry for your loss.
he was your's too
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 02:35:00 PM
Wonderful how people make HANUCHES that it's no question that this guy was a shady person and a slumlord, I know Jewish slumords and they are slumords with their friends and family as well, this guy was so beloved by his co workers, friends in family, why can't you understand that he was dealing with the lowest people, including drug gangs as tenants, so how do you expect a humen person to get along with such kind of people. He was actually working to get a drug gang out of one of his buildings, and it's very possible that this guys tuck care of him...... Look on the last review on Yelp (which does not come from some chusid... check his previous reviews) how nice he is talking about him. And btw i think most or all of the negative reviewers on Yelp never gave other reviews, on Amazon you know how much to trust such reviews.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 05, 2014, 02:36:14 PM
SHUT UP!! Keep your stupidity to yourself. You don't understand timing. עת לשתוק. It's the 1st day of Shiva.
+100

Some people are just stingy to buy the 5th shulchen uhrich...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ual902 on January 05, 2014, 02:46:53 PM
Any leads yet?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 02:59:57 PM
All I said before this is a great example of how we must try our best to stay away from any possible chilul Hashem  because there are people waiting to paint us all with the same brush and it can affect all of us.

If you don't think that applies to this situation, Baruch HaShem.

If you don't like the lesson, talk to your rabbi about it.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 05, 2014, 03:01:00 PM
So maybe we should start to call macys -the NY Posts biggest advertiser, and ask them to stop advertising there till they retract their headlines...

MACY'S CORPORATE MARKETING
 151 West 34th Street
 New York, NY 10001
 212-494-3000

MACY'S CORPORATE SERVICES
 7 West Seventh Street
 Cincinnati, OH 45202
 513-579-7000

151 West 34th Street
 New York, NY 10001
 212-494-3000

http://www.macysinc.com/contact-us/reach-us/default.aspx


http://www.macysinc.com/contact-us/default.aspx

To contact Macy's non-management Directors, please complete the following link
http://www.macysinc.com/for-investors/corporate-governance/compliance/report.aspx


Macy’s, Inc. Investor Relations Department:
 7 West Seventh Street
 Cincinnati, OH 45202
 1-513-579-7028, Monday-Friday, 8:30 a.m. - 5 p.m. (ET)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 03:01:39 PM
Wonderful how people make HANUCHES that it's no question that this guy was a shady person and a slumlord, I know Jewish slumords and they are slumords with their friends and family as well, this guy was so beloved by his co workers, friends in family, why can't you understand that he was dealing with the lowest people, including drug gangs as tenants, so how do you expect a humen person to get along with such kind of people. He was actually working to get a drug gang out of one of his buildings, and it's very possible that this guys tuck care of him...... Look on the last review on Yelp (which does not come from some chusid... check his previous reviews) how nice he is talking about him. And btw i think most or all of the negative reviewers on Yelp never gave other reviews, on Amazon you know how much to trust such reviews.
IIRC a few years ago the post printed a list of the 10 worst slumlords of NYC and every single one was a religious Jew
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Steven on January 05, 2014, 03:28:36 PM
That's not the point. All ppl are saying to u is that there is a family sitting shiva and no one is interested in mussar right now
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Reb Jo on January 05, 2014, 03:30:12 PM
Live now from the city hall
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 03:32:34 PM
I don't care to criticize him because there's no point. He's not around anymore.

The only value is to try and prevent another episode like this.
You have a very sick and twisted way of thinking.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dr Moose on January 05, 2014, 03:33:46 PM
You have a very sick and twisted way of thinking.
+100
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 03:36:06 PM
That's not the point. All ppl are saying to u is that there is a family sitting shiva and no one is interested in mussar right now
+1000
#heartlesspeople

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 05, 2014, 04:04:38 PM
If u look on any Jewish news source after after a tragedy happens. One of the first comments are usually, that this is a wake up call, we need to do tshuva. Imo he was just reiterating that point.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 04:12:40 PM

If u look on any Jewish news source after after a tragedy happens. One of the first comments are usually, that this is a wake up call, we need to do tshuva. Imo he was just reiterating that point.
Thank you.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 04:27:11 PM
Thank you.
I usually stay away from an threads that you're involved in.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yehuda S on January 05, 2014, 04:51:39 PM

I usually stay away from an threads that you're involved in.

Please don't. I like you. You always have a refreshing take on things.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 04:53:42 PM
Who wants to fight with me l'eiluy nishmas R' Menachem Stark?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 05, 2014, 05:01:09 PM
.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 05:19:51 PM
Where is that?
I thing Tapatalk for Android.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dr Moose on January 05, 2014, 05:22:46 PM
Looks like twitter to me
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 05:28:11 PM
Looks like twitter to me
Correct
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 05:31:14 PM
Where is that?
looks like Shell in Monsey on the 59
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 05:31:30 PM
Where is that?
Since the others beat me to the jokes already i guess i have to be the serious one  ;D it says on the sign the shell gas station in monsey
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 05:32:24 PM
Since the others beat me to the jokes already i guess i have to be the serious one  ;D it says on the sign the shell gas station in monsey
O ddnt see the top of the page I was guessing
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 07:12:24 PM
According to Whats App.... 2 Satmar richies announced a 1 million dollar reward for info that finds the stark killer!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 07:22:43 PM
According to Whats App.... 2 Satmar richies announced a 1 million dollar reward for info that finds the stark killer!
If I send you a message via whatsapp would you also quote "whatsapp" :o ???
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: udip3146 on January 05, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
SHAME ON NY POST.
 THEY SHOULD BE DUMPED!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Sammy82 on January 05, 2014, 07:47:52 PM
Police have some one in custody in connection with the murder of Menachem stark h"yd, they will hold a news conference shortly.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 05, 2014, 07:48:20 PM
Police have some one in custody in connection with the murder of Menachem stark h"yd, they will hold a news conference shortly.
Source? Link?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 07:49:20 PM
NY Post issued a statement

"The Post does not say Mr. Stark deserved to die but our reporting showed that he had many enemies, which may have led to the commission of this terrible crime," a spokesperson for the paper told Capital late Sunday afternoon. "Our thoughts and prayers are with the family at this time of loss."
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Sammy82 on January 05, 2014, 07:50:02 PM
Source? Link?
Sources that are usually correct
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 05, 2014, 07:55:01 PM
Sources that are usually correct
It's a secret? ::)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 05, 2014, 07:58:36 PM
The vehicle (Whattsapp)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ramonQ on January 05, 2014, 08:02:06 PM
The vehicle (Whattsapp)
where did you find that ?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 05, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
The burnt him on the hood?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 08:04:32 PM
If I send you a message via whatsapp would you also quote "whatsapp" :o ???
So you can't take jukes anymore...... why do you think I added .........
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Myccrabbi on January 05, 2014, 08:05:03 PM
Can someone give more info?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bp on January 05, 2014, 08:10:11 PM
from all the reports looks like this is it.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/01/05/2-injured-in-police-involved-shooting-in-queens/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MisterHock on January 05, 2014, 08:12:01 PM
The vehicle (Whattsapp)

This is NOT the vehicle

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 08:13:31 PM
This is NOT the vehicle
Yea.... It looks like a newer model.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MisterHock on January 05, 2014, 08:14:09 PM
The vehicle (Whattsapp)

This is NOT the vehicle - it's an old pic that has nothing to do with this

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yimcatholic/2013/03/my-minvan-burned-up-today-the-present-moment-holds-infinite-riches.html
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 05, 2014, 08:14:21 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/hyvu4ara.jpg)
(Whatsapp)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 05, 2014, 08:16:39 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/06/hyvu4ara.jpg)
(Whatsapp)

They all look very cold


Was nice and sunny here today.


Please post legit sources.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 08:26:46 PM
from all the reports looks like this is it.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/01/05/2-injured-in-police-involved-shooting-in-queens/
From WHICH reports????????????
Please guys this is DDF not vosizneies or ywn let's keep this topic real!!!!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 05, 2014, 08:29:02 PM
From WHICH reports????????????
Please guys this is DDF not vosizneies or ywn let's keep this topic real!!!!
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 05, 2014, 08:32:52 PM
Suspect in custody (Whattsapp)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 05, 2014, 08:34:03 PM
Suspect in custody (Whattsapp)
>:(
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 08:34:51 PM
Suspect in custody (Whattsapp)
I don't think this is the guy  8)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 05, 2014, 08:34:57 PM
Nebach. What has happened here.

Whatsapp is not a legit source, it's like saying I heard from someone.
In order to be believed and justified, a legit source should be named.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Tzadik Nistar on January 05, 2014, 08:36:42 PM
@KolHaolam: BREAKING NEWS: An arrest has reportedly been made at JFK airport which according to sources is related to the #murder of #Menachem #Stark.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 05, 2014, 08:37:05 PM
Suspect in custody (Whattsapp)

That pic and your avatar look awfully similar... Maybe for the jokes, anything goes thread....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 08:37:51 PM
@KolHaolam: BREAKING NEWS: An arrest has reportedly been made at JFK airport which according to sources is related to the #murder of #Menachem #Stark.
We just asked for only legit sources  ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Chuck2 on January 05, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
@KolHaolam: BREAKING NEWS: An arrest has reportedly been made at JFK airport which according to sources is related to the #murder of #Menachem #Stark.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Chuck2 on January 05, 2014, 08:43:40 PM
Alex Gurvitz
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 08:44:54 PM
Nebach. What has happened here.

Whatsapp is not a legit source, it's like saying I heard from someone.
It's a lot worse
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Chuck2 on January 05, 2014, 08:56:30 PM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/208932/clarification-no-arrest-made-in-murder-of-menachem-stark-850pm-et.html
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 08:57:07 PM
Unconfirmed baloney going around.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
"A source close to KG90 confirmed he was arrested on Whatsapp St cor. Twitter Ave.

pic of suspect:
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: AnonymousUser on January 05, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
"A source close to KG90 confirmed he was arrested on Whatsapp St cor. Twitter Ave.

pic of suspect:
Isn't that your brother ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 05, 2014, 09:00:38 PM
This is reminding me of CNN covering the Boston bombing.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:01:12 PM

this guys looks guilty for whatever they have him for. Whether it's related to this or not he did it. Just look at that face.

I could be a profiler.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 09:01:51 PM
"A source close to KG90 confirmed he was arrested on Whatsapp St cor. Twitter Ave.

pic of suspect:
meshugener, you're so cute!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 09:02:57 PM
Isn't that your brother ;)
Or he just got older....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 05, 2014, 09:04:09 PM
Yeshiva World News: YWN has been flooded with emails in the past hour claiming that a suspect has been arrested in the murder of Menachem Stark HY”D. Social media has been forwarding the rumor, with one large twitter account going as far as saying that a suspect had been arrested in JFK Airport.
YWN has spoken with highly-credible, high-ranking brass of the NYPD, and can report with certainty, that there has been no arrest as of this time. There is not even a person of interest being sought. There are hundreds of leads that detectives are working on, and many people are being interviewed and spoken to, but there is absolutely no suspect in police custody.
(YWN World Headquarters – NYC)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 05, 2014, 09:19:40 PM

You have a very sick and twisted way of thinking.
+1000 Yehuda s is the same sicko who started the anti children thread. I vote to ban him from ddf
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:26:18 PM
BREAKING NEWS: NYPD CATCHES STARK'S MURDERERS
http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/latest/item/breaking-news-nypd-catches-stark-s-murderers (http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/latest/item/breaking-news-nypd-catches-stark-s-murderers)
This article has 2 diff reports in gantzen tzimisht, one was with an accident in Queens and one was a report of an arrest at JFK.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 09:27:12 PM
+1000 Yehuda s is the same sicko who started the anti children thread. I vote to ban him from ddf
And @Super Speed
What did I miss that he said that you guys are going off about?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 09:27:19 PM
With all this nonsense, I might have to delete my thread.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2014, 09:28:41 PM
And @Super Speed
What did I miss that he said that you guys are going off about?
Nothing worth repeating. Trust me.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Myccrabbi on January 05, 2014, 09:30:28 PM
BREAKING NEWS: NYPD CATCHES STARK'S MURDERERS
http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/latest/item/breaking-news-nypd-catches-stark-s-murderers (http://www.shmais.com/chabad-news/latest/item/breaking-news-nypd-catches-stark-s-murderers)
link not working for me.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 09:31:06 PM
link not working for me.
Not worth clicking in to.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ual902 on January 05, 2014, 09:36:50 PM
I DELETE it was a RUMOR sorry!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 05, 2014, 09:38:29 PM
+1000 Yehuda s is the same sicko who started the anti children thread. I vote to ban him from ddf
this is not right, leave the naming and shaming for Whatsapp
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Swati770 on January 05, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
link not working for me.
since it is all a rummer therefore they took down the article (with the link) 
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 05, 2014, 09:49:19 PM
+1000 Yehuda s is the same sicko who started the anti children thread. I vote to ban him from ddf
I think you should be banned from gan Eden  for offending Yehuda in public.

You're actually the sicko here. You can't understand someone with a different opinion than what your narrow minded brain dictated you.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 09:50:18 PM
I think you should be banned from gan Eden  for offending Yehuda in public.

You're actually the sicko here. You can't understand someone with a different opinion than what your narrow minded brain dictated you.
Nisht heiben kan hent.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 05, 2014, 10:05:47 PM
Nothing worth repeating. Trust me.
I went back to see what he wrote and I didn't see anything so bad. Please enlighten me.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 05, 2014, 10:09:59 PM
I think you should be banned from gan Eden  for offending Yehuda in public.

You're actually the sicko here. You can't understand someone with a different opinion than what your narrow minded brain dictated you.
+1000000000000
Thank you, meshugener, for saying what I've been wanting to say for a while already but I kept telling myself to stay out of it.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 10:13:48 PM
Alol

http://bshch.blogspot.com/2014/01/blog-post_3592.html?m=1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2014, 10:18:28 PM
Alol

http://bshch.blogspot.com/2014/01/blog-post_3592.html?m=1
Is it for sure a hoax?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 10:33:58 PM
Yes
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2014, 10:35:25 PM
Yes
How are you so sure? Bec. of YWN?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 10:37:22 PM
How are you so sure? Bec. of YWN?
Close family haves no idea......
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 05, 2014, 10:38:53 PM
There are numerous well-connected crime reporters who know everything. This is a bored bucher in his mother's basement making up stories
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Sammy82 on January 05, 2014, 10:39:48 PM
It's a secret? ::)
I stand corrected. Good thing I didn't give away my (un)reliable sources. My apologies.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on January 05, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
How are you so sure? Bec. of YWN?
Look out the window in NY, there is snow on the ground. I dont see any in the jfk pic!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
There are numerous well-connected crime reporters who know everything. This is a bored bucher in his mother's basement making up stories
The website you quoted is not a bored bucher.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 05, 2014, 10:54:52 PM

I think you should be banned from gan Eden  for offending Yehuda in public.

You're actually the sicko here. You can't understand someone with a different opinion than what your narrow minded brain dictated you.
so meshugener isn't just a nickname...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 05, 2014, 11:02:28 PM
so meshugener isn't just a nickname...
You should look at your own nickname and resolve to only eat kugel the whole day. Hopefully that will keep you too busy to needlessly shame members and spread hate around here.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Palm5 on January 05, 2014, 11:05:16 PM
https://www.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiskv2PEI8WcqIqMEtAYZG0YF1P-LjNKNLl58OV6tG6ZrTfqwouWPF8BG4jEd9kBFXadRvntbOtVx-_1NzTDqs6KBKHN58lJnO4LSwXL3O9OvqpAxvwTYY2VeuLzAMyWDI_1gqotc5ZH-SPyY5q4NZGbOnjMHVsYn2M5xvbSNY0QITPZiPU7O9AthMFj4NlXoTARkD4F0Pq0VDzonKEbG2-sJt_1SyjkEQP9QDx69jCH2WHbNGED366udAjW0R76ncFrZMZU4vRSwQPCYdBRYL8gfptG4DctefqzCWv7JL0bdgfcftcRJ7WEWCEGNdJzSAJ4c-mUDyAgIG1HITNWYL-QqE4mckvFQVwBSfMgpUrIbvTu-qxWQYAi7ZRIJUaKhqhmN8cFjE38YwDkHzXE7WhdZv8StO5gJ4F2wQGh7S56cXwTxeCVkz_1PD3Vi-0D6SXC_1DyvOwyW-2N-c1e8oNF3Tn_16q1gKSGTxgAVGpCTFBvdH3FW7X-FfNXkmFEVn6KjurX3RdC89WC4ETMyjZYGeEasTiTKizdhNLIb64UyATAhefKCESjepJOor3ER5cG10cahoQv-LuFrn7r_1jjt7RcoshLu2W15qvHEMwSsJPHfxsVwW5Lt9ljcj2m_1pD_1sm0ZT2qT3aqIxxAbRU2FkwLxQmUvzqHg0xfr4leeB3nlQF-CGFZlOUgBxGeD99vK7NA3ps-6y15eb7YbTDmqhv2IvwfGQWaRk7a3doGZEAgYRxfuUCigSl-mgzALcxmIpSyAeC7kTntfK7J64j50MXqwkM76yFiTtHt20_1wkc50PZYb5AHmTSgnS2KS4lhA3o3cPi3vve-p0caVoiUs5mx7aOKSv58PDa8NipmVJD9-3CV7nxWLfFiX4SXkqg9CTcW1YqSd9O6InLX7TdSq7n3I-qLe0evxvzhA-wWNNlbwpqxS8Go2fodZ25Q_1qb-mgC3AF7mT0YiNwhKWMItmc8O6zPRRwmI-pWvEKXx7jMncRan8xHFjLE1ACv7HfBEQZbyFPyk3LiWRUIOvS419GWEhMGQ0fkmFdu8SGiiwqYKsXH1WU0x21kL5e5IGrKICu_1ffwkE3-rCDP8Mk7Sz_1zNhpp_1KLnH6o1aQZeS96EndLE_1T90bEt3zbt8Y9XYr3HOlEurWqrEa-Fr4pVDAQK9olLTytVd9zi-rSsxvY0r65TdJhNQCPCqeR2j36Nx14cSqEs8P_1Zv1gagzuXC4kSN2eD53Sar0uemJiRsUrf8iOwUaZ56gsMmg8RdY9nZxMixhP_12EJ-BncQjGczvyDbgX1IT39hG8-9Op5yDubK4d2w5KspaiF12FA&hl=en&site=imghp&sa=X&ei=KivKUouOKMj0kQeAtoCABQ&ved=0CDgQ9Q8oAA

Above link is to the JFK picture.

It's sad to see people making a joke out of this. Everyone just please stop speculating.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 05, 2014, 11:06:21 PM
 STOP!!!! :-X
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: menachem_m on January 05, 2014, 11:08:59 PM
Unbelievable.
Good thinking to do a image search though.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 11:11:34 PM
You should look at your own nickname and resolve to only eat kugel the whole day. Hopefully that will keep you too busy to needlessly shame members and spread hate around here.
Lets stop fighting, that's something Menachen doesn't gain from it. No one means anyone personally, some members like KF and SS and others (including me, but im not a type of coming out....) couldn't understand how someone that doesn't even know the story - besides what he read in the NY Post and on FM, is coming out giving MUSSER a day after this story..... doesn't matter if its true or not. (and most of them are not true, as I explained up thread. endofstory.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 05, 2014, 11:22:13 PM
Lets stop fighting, that's something Menachen doesn't gain from it. No one means anyone personally, some members like KF and SS and others (including me, but im not a type of coming out....) couldn't understand how someone that doesn't even know the story - besides what he read in the NY Post and on FM, is coming out giving MUSSER a day after this story..... doesn't matter if its true or not. (and most of them are not true, as I explained up thread. endofstory.
:o
REALLY?? So the quotes below are all huge typos?? ::) ::) ::) ::)

so meshugener isn't just a nickname...
You have a very sick and twisted way of thinking.
+1000 Yehuda s is the same sicko who started the anti children thread. I vote to ban him from ddf
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 05, 2014, 11:24:43 PM

Lets stop fighting, that's something Menachen doesn't gain from it. No one means anyone personally, some members like KF and SS and others (including me, but im not a type of coming out....) couldn't understand how someone that doesn't even know the story - besides what he read in the NY Post and on FM, is coming out giving MUSSER a day after this story..... doesn't matter if its true or not. (and most of them are not true, as I explained up thread. endofstory.
+1.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 11:27:34 PM
:o
REALLY?? So the quotes below are all huge typos?? ::) ::) ::) ::)
It all came out, out of pain and anger. You didn't see all this comments before he said what he said. And yes its disgusting in my eys to copy, paste from FM stuff on menachem, and then give MUSSER.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Myccrabbi on January 05, 2014, 11:30:37 PM
Lets stop fighting, that's something Menachen doesn't gain from it. No one means anyone personally, some members like KF and SS and others (including me, but im not a type of coming out....) couldn't understand how someone that doesn't even know the story - besides what he read in the NY Post and on FM, is coming out giving MUSSER a day after this story..... doesn't matter if its true or not. (and most of them are not true, as I explained up thread. endofstory.
i dont understand the whole excitment??
first he made a comment about how we are responsible not to make chilul hashem, which sounded like menachem stark was @ fault. which inflamed some of the members 1. evreyone still hurting from the story and all you can think is about kiddush/chillul hashem? 2. who is to be sure that the press and rumers are right?
so now, some commments may have been a bit strong, but what i cant undrstand is the ones that come afterwards and start with their;u should be ashamed that u told him u should be ashamed.
if u dont have a opinion then just mix out!!!
and plz stop the fighting! lets be mature.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 05, 2014, 11:30:47 PM
+1.
I am amazed that the very people who instigated the name-calling and fighting, are now saying "let's stop fighting". Go ahead, stop!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 05, 2014, 11:31:05 PM
Alol

http://bshch.blogspot.com/2014/01/blog-post_3592.html?m=1
After seeing the Google image search I can ROFL with you.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Super Speed on January 05, 2014, 11:34:25 PM
And @Super Speed
What did I miss that he said that you guys are going off about?
Why me?

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 05, 2014, 11:38:39 PM
i dont understand the whole excitment??
first he made a comment about how we are responsible not to make chilul hashem, which sounded like menachem stark was @ fault. which inflamed some of the members 1. evreyone still hurting from the story and all you can think is about kiddush/chillul hashem? 2. who is to be sure that the press and rumers are right?
so now, some commments may have been a bit strong, but what i cant undrstand is the ones that come afterwards and start with their;u should be ashamed that u told him u should be ashamed.
if u dont have a opinion then just mix out!!!
and plz stop the fighting! lets be mature.
Exactly my point. I just don't get it  :-X
Title: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 05, 2014, 11:41:59 PM
I am amazed that the very people who instigated the name-calling and fighting, are now saying "let's stop fighting". Go ahead, stop!

It all came out, out of pain and anger. You didn't see all this comments before he said what he said. And yes its disgusting in my eys to copy, paste from FM stuff on menachem, and then give MUSSER.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: chff on January 06, 2014, 08:17:13 AM
Can't upload, but post headline is "Screw yourself"
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 06, 2014, 08:30:22 AM
here you go
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on January 06, 2014, 08:32:58 AM
here you go

That's how you sell papers.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 06, 2014, 08:34:35 AM
Wow. I'm laughing at how absurd that it.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 06, 2014, 08:40:57 AM
The fact is that the post is the lowest of the low; people should not care what they write.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 06, 2014, 08:45:20 AM
who are their other main advertisers other than Macys?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 06, 2014, 08:50:21 AM
That isn't the front page.....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 06, 2014, 08:56:14 AM
The fact is that the post is the lowest of the low; people should not care what they write.
What they write, unfortunately, influences many people and they use their power in a vary irresponsible way.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Crazy tools on January 06, 2014, 09:04:01 AM
This is today's front page
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 10:36:53 AM
Is there a chance that this was a random hate crime? I'm not naive, I just wonder what the chances are.

The new video shows the minivan pulling up just 20 minutes before.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Joe4007 on January 06, 2014, 10:40:26 AM
Is there a chance that this was a random hate crime? I'm not naive, I just wonder what the chances are.
Seriously?!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 06, 2014, 10:42:29 AM
That isn't the front page.....
what page is it?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 06, 2014, 10:54:57 AM
Mock
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Menachem613 on January 06, 2014, 11:13:24 AM
Here is a way how you can acutely do damage for the NY Post, with 2 simple steps.

1)      Download the NY post app from google play or from the app store into your smart phone.

2)      Rate and comment a bad review with only 1 ⭐ star.

The more bad reviews they get, the app will fall lower on the list of “News” apps, and if it reaches more than 65% of negative and 1 star reviews google will actually throw it down from the Play store. Keep in mind not to uninstall the app for at least 48hrs, because if you uninstall the app google or apple will remove the review. WE ALL CAN DO IT. We don’t need a lot to succeed.

Google play link:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=br.com.golmobile.nypost&hl=en

Apple: search the app store

Please forward to all you contacts.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 06, 2014, 11:16:33 AM
Here is a way how you can acutely do damage for the NY Post, with 2 simple steps.

1)      Download the NY post app from google play or from the app store into your smart phone.

2)      Rate and comment a bad review with only 1 ⭐ star.

The more bad reviews they get, the app will fall lower on the list of “News” apps, and if it reaches more than 65% of negative and 1 star reviews google will actually throw it down from the Play store. Keep in mind not to uninstall the app for at least 48hrs, because if you uninstall the app google or apple will remove the review. WE ALL CAN DO IT. We don’t need a lot to succeed.

Google play link:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=br.com.golmobile.nypost&hl=en

Apple: search the app store

Please forward to all you contacts.

Terrible idea IMHO. Imagine a NYT headline - 'Angry Jews Dwonvote NYP App'. You're stooping to their level. It's not about hitting them back, it's about making sure it's understood that is unacceptable in America.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 11:21:46 AM
Terrible idea IMHO. Imagine a NYT headline - 'Angry Jews Dwonvote NYP App'. You're stooping to their level. It's not about hitting them back, it's about making sure it's understood that is unacceptable in America.
How do we make sure they "understand" that its unacceptable?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 06, 2014, 11:22:49 AM
How do we make sure they "understand" that its unacceptable?
Not by punching them back
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Myccrabbi on January 06, 2014, 11:29:17 AM
Not by punching them back
PG is right! That is not the Jewish way to fight back.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on January 06, 2014, 11:29:51 AM
Is this even true ?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 06, 2014, 11:31:25 AM
...it's about making sure it's understood that is unacceptable in America.
...but this crap is acceptable in America.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 11:34:18 AM
PG is right! That is not the Jewish way to fight back.

 There is nothing illegitimate about voting down an app that you find offensive and wrong.

(I happen to personally agree that generally the "Jewish" way in Golus, is to shut up and take it. It doesn't seem that satmar are going in that direction here. )
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 06, 2014, 11:44:23 AM
...but this crap is acceptable in America.
They can't even write 'deserved to die' on terrorists killed in war

 

 There is nothing illegitimate about voting down an app that you find offensive and wrong.

(I happen to personally agree that generally the "Jewish" way in Golus, is to shut up and take it. It doesn't seem that satmar are going in that direction here. )
 

Why shut up and take it if you don't have to?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 11:47:16 AM
They can't even write 'deserved to die' on terrorists killed in war

   

Why shut up and take it if you don't have to?
We are not in a position to fight back. Not until moshiach comes. It'l just aggravate them more, always has. Since we cannot win against antisemitism, the best defense is to run away from confrontation, if it comes running after you, take the blow and keep on running.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ergel on January 06, 2014, 11:59:53 AM
We are not in a position to fight back. Not until moshiach comes. It'l just aggravate them more, always has. Since we cannot win against antisemitism, the best defense is to run away from confrontation, if it comes running after you, take the blow and keep on running.
-100000
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Yitz on January 06, 2014, 12:04:02 PM
We are not in a position to fight back. Not until moshiach comes. It'l just aggravate them more, always has. Since we cannot win against antisemitism, the best defense is to run away from confrontation, if it comes running after you, take the blow and keep on running.
Stop it. Nothing wrong with sticking up for what is right.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on January 06, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
Stop it. Nothing wrong with sticking up for what is right.
tnx +a million
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Yitz on January 06, 2014, 12:42:52 PM
tnx +a million
My roots are from Cleveland.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: muttman on January 06, 2014, 01:28:58 PM
Here is a way how you can acutely do damage for the NY Post, with 2 simple steps.

1)      Download the NY post app from google play or from the app store into your smart phone.

2)      Rate and comment a bad review with only 1 ⭐ star.

The more bad reviews they get, the app will fall lower on the list of “News” apps, and if it reaches more than 65% of negative and 1 star reviews google will actually throw it down from the Play store. Keep in mind not to uninstall the app for at least 48hrs, because if you uninstall the app google or apple will remove the review. WE ALL CAN DO IT. We don’t need a lot to succeed.

Google play link:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=br.com.golmobile.nypost&hl=en

Apple: search the app store

Please forward to all you contacts.

Currently has 68% 1 star reviews
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 06, 2014, 01:37:51 PM
Going strong.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on January 06, 2014, 01:40:25 PM
Just downloaded, but I need a google+ account to rate it.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 06, 2014, 01:43:25 PM
Currently has 68% 1 star reviews
Wow. Take a look at the one-star reviewers. They're all frum names!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: muttman on January 06, 2014, 01:53:50 PM
Now 70%
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: menachem_m on January 06, 2014, 01:55:47 PM
Not Looking forward to tomorrow's headline and how they will spin this.
#CHILLUL
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 06, 2014, 01:58:44 PM
Not Looking forward to tomorrow's headline and how they will spin this.
#CHILLUL
I can't see how this would be a chilul hoshem,
What will they write?
The Jewish community declared war against the post "because"???
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 02:01:20 PM
Over 70% of 1 star reviews let's keep it coming
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: menachem_m on January 06, 2014, 02:01:45 PM
It is low class. Period.

(I'm in no way trying to justify them. )
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Crazy tools on January 06, 2014, 02:02:09 PM
Wow. Take a look at the one-star reviewers. They're all frum names!
And from today's date. Pretty cool!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Yitz on January 06, 2014, 02:06:22 PM
I can't see how this would be a chilul hoshem,
What will they write?
The Jewish community declared war against the post "because"???
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dovy2 on January 06, 2014, 02:27:50 PM
the 1-star IS a great way to "get back" IMO
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 02:28:06 PM
I can't see how this would be a chilul hoshem,
What will they write?
The Jewish community declared war against the post "because"???
+1. What's wrong when a community decides it's pay back time  ???

Funny, The same people busy giving MUSSER are busy EXPLAINING about chilul hoshem  :o
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 06, 2014, 02:37:57 PM
Why are only the Google reviews showing and nothing on Apple?
Does Apple delay the updates or something?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 02:44:20 PM
For those keeping score it went from  1791/2509 to 1906/2625. That's a perfect 115 for 115 one star rating in last half hour or so
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 02:46:12 PM
Like this one.

I am about to delete this app!! Disgusting!!!!!!! what a shame on the NY Post for encouraging killers to murder people!!!! Who Doesn't want him dead???? on a headline???? is this in America 2014 or in Germany 1942? Its a shame on the NY Post!!!!!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 06, 2014, 02:52:07 PM
I am about to delete this app!! Disgusting!!!!!!! what a shame on the NY Post for encouraging killers to murder people!!!! Who Doesn't want him dead???? on a headline???? is this in America 2014 or in Germany 1942? Its a shame on the NY Post!!!!!
Completely idiotic.  ::)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 02:52:58 PM
Another 250 and we will be at 75 % lets go
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 06, 2014, 02:54:24 PM
Why are only the Google reviews showing and nothing on Apple?
Does Apple delay the updates or something?

Who still has an iPhone?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 06, 2014, 02:57:59 PM
Who still has an iPhone?
:P
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 03:00:49 PM
Another 250 and we will be at 75 % lets go
You don't think Google will remove them?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 03:01:33 PM
Hate to break up the party but Google is definitely not going to remove them.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Toasted on January 06, 2014, 03:02:18 PM
So the NYP reaction will be:

             a) OMG! we should've never started with these people. :'(
             b) This is a great fight. Let's ramp it up! >:(

Can we have a vote?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 03:02:41 PM
Hate to break up the party but Google is definitely not going to remove them.
I hope so!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 03:04:10 PM
So the NYP reaction will be:

Can we have a vote?
Good idea.

In any case, nothing is gonna bring him back  :-X
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 06, 2014, 03:10:41 PM
Hate to break up the party but Google is definitely not going to remove them.

What's not good with their app having a 1 star rating?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 03:15:07 PM
1986/2706=73.4%

Can't wait to see apple updates tomorrow
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 03:15:18 PM
What's not good with their app having a 1 star rating?
nothing, its great
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 03:16:18 PM
It is low class. Period.

(I'm in no way trying to justify them. )
Low class = low class. Period.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 03:16:51 PM
nothing, its great
+1 Lol.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 03:17:52 PM
@Moshe123
Here is a way how you can acutely do damage for the NY Post, with 2 simple steps.

1)      Download the NY post app from google play or from the app store into your smart phone.

2)      Rate and comment a bad review with only 1 ⭐ star.

The more bad reviews they get, the app will fall lower on the list of “News” apps, and if it reaches more than 65% of negative and 1 star reviews google will actually throw it down from the Play store. Keep in mind not to uninstall the app for at least 48hrs, because if you uninstall the app google or apple will remove the review. WE ALL CAN DO IT. We don’t need a lot to succeed.

Google play link:  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=br.com.golmobile.nypost&hl=en

Apple: search the app store

Please forward to all you contacts.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 06, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
So many people don't have kosher phones. Nebuch that so many yidden are exposed to non kosher phones.

;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 03:19:49 PM
So many people don't have kosher phones. Nebuch that so many yidden are exposed to non kosher phones.

;)
I have an idea, lets make an asifa!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 06, 2014, 03:20:35 PM
My guess, most people leaving the reviews don't realized that their names are visible.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 03:21:29 PM
My guess, most people leaving the reviews don't realized that their names are visible.
Meh, you are overestimating how afraid people are of the powerful
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
I'm thinking the only sources the stupid rant article quoted were some user reviews on yelp and the anti Semitic site FM. Now say someone wants to write an article on ny post and uses some user reviews on its website as it's main source. What a great article that would be.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 06, 2014, 03:28:23 PM
I'm thinking the only sources the stupid rant article quoted were some user reviews on yelp and the anti Semitic site FM. Now say someone wants to write an article on ny post and uses some user reviews on its website as it's main source. What a great article that would be.

"and uses some reviews from Google Play"
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: moshe_m on January 06, 2014, 04:12:51 PM
how long does it take Google should throw them down?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 06, 2014, 04:15:40 PM
ich mein az der oilam zol shreiben in der shprach. koidem kol, si du asach nisht fin inzere vus treft zich du, in si ken zein andere vus men shraben off geit gefinin der platz.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: good sam on January 06, 2014, 04:19:27 PM
ich mein az der oilam zol shreiben in der shprach. koidem kol, si du asach nisht fin inzere vus treft zich du, in si ken zein andere vus men shraben off geit gefinin der platz.
From google translate:

Ich kind that the oilam should write in the shpratsh. Koidem voice CD you asatsh not fin inzere know finds zitsh you, in CI could rock other known people moved away gives gefinin the Platz
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HowYaDoin on January 06, 2014, 04:26:24 PM
I don't think it'll take a "velts chucham" to realize that it was agreed upon by a bunch of jews to go after the post
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aygart on January 06, 2014, 04:27:23 PM
Why are poor reviews worse than a boycott? A boycott is certainly warranted.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 06, 2014, 04:28:11 PM
I don't think it'll take a "velts chucham" to realize that it was agreed upon by a bunch of jews to go after the post
If Google will remove it, this is not gonna help.

And this is not calming down the post......
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dave321 on January 06, 2014, 04:30:52 PM
PPL, it doesnt help just to write bad reviews on the post on the app store. You need to write that the app is bad etc...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 06, 2014, 04:33:02 PM
So many people don't have kosher phones. Nebuch that so many yidden are exposed to non kosher phones.

Unbelievable.
Its time for a cheshbon hanefesh.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 06, 2014, 04:34:28 PM
We are not in a position to fight back. Not until moshiach comes.
Says who?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: wayfe on January 06, 2014, 04:49:52 PM
Welcome to America! A land of democracy, where citizens are granted freedom of speech and press. They have the right to print whatever insensitive or idiotic crap they want. Spamming Google Play is just as legal and just as idiotic.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on January 06, 2014, 05:30:14 PM
We are not in a position to fight back. Not until moshiach comes. It'l just aggravate them more, always has. Since we cannot win against antisemitism, the best defense is to run away from confrontation, if it comes running after you, take the blow and keep on running.


 While I definitely agree there are MANY times where you're best off to just "keep on walking" to think this way in general is extremely dangerous IMO.

I'm not talking about this specific situation.  I've basically been following this thread and sighing. While it's nice to see Jewish people rally together to stand up for something I personally don't believe this business with the bad ratings for the app is a good use of  our energy, but to each their own.  It does seem a bit a silly to me and I don't think it's going to accomplish anything.

There are other ways. 


But thinking we're not in a position to fight back? If we're not aware of the things that go on with antisemitism and don't bring attention to them when needed we are easily letting the world get to a very scary place.  Sometimes it's our duty to "fight back" and bring attention to the issues at hand for our own safety.
I don't think this specific situation is one of them but again that's my own feeling.


Why are we all so surprised an American Newspaper would write such a thing? Have you forgotten the world we live in?
 They're trying to sell papers folks.

 

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 06, 2014, 05:44:05 PM


There are other ways. 


For example?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 06, 2014, 06:47:02 PM
Rating is now down to 1.7
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 06, 2014, 06:57:33 PM
Here is another way to hurt them bad:

Go here: http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/

Report that nypost.com has malware in it. This will hurt their rankings. (At least in the short term). It will also cause them trouble, which is my intent.

Please share this on the Whatsapp groups.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 07:13:13 PM
Now that I don't agree with. We re entitled to have opinions and entitled to post them and boycott and...... But we are not entitled to lie and steal from Anyone even the loathsome ny post
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 06, 2014, 07:18:18 PM
Here is another way to hurt them bad:

Go here: http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/report_badware/

Report that nypost.com has malware in it. This will hurt their rankings. (At least in the short term). It will also cause them trouble, which is my intent.

Please share this on the Whatsapp groups.
This link isnt working on mobile.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 06, 2014, 07:24:58 PM
Almost 1,200 1 star reviews today 😝

Before
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 06, 2014, 07:25:25 PM
After (Israeli time)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 06, 2014, 07:35:38 PM
Got this from someone, shows from even earlier
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 06, 2014, 07:44:49 PM
And even earlier... (PST)
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/07/zy6egy6e.jpg)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 06, 2014, 08:03:37 PM
This link isnt working on mobile.

Maybe because you are still using a Centro?  :P

Works fine on my Iphone.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: A3 on January 06, 2014, 08:10:23 PM
Almost 1,200 1 star reviews today 😝

Before

Although it's prob the most download app today...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 06, 2014, 08:12:35 PM
Although it's prob the most download app today...

lol not even close. There are apps that get 50,000+ downloads per day.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 06, 2014, 08:55:43 PM
The following is a statement from the Orthodox Union:
The New York Post headline Sunday following the gruesome murder of Menachem Stark, “Who didn’t want him dead?” is a violation of every rule of taste, decency and respect that even newspapers that depend on coverage that shocks and titillates must observe. Regarding respect, even if they had none for the victim, certainly they should have demonstrated some feeling for the deceased’s widow and seven children, who are now mourning his loss.

We do not accuse the Post of anti-Semitism. Its strong support of Israel over the years has been most welcome, when publications of a more genteel character have criticized the Jewish state on a regular basis. But the fact that the photo and headline will surely encourage others to be anti-Semitic, or to fuel their already existing anti-Semitism, makes it clear that the headline should simply have read, “Cops Investigate Brutal Murder of Father of Seven.”


I find it very heartening that the OU took its time and thought out its response, rather than impulsively jumping to call the NY Post anti-Semitic. Kudos to the OU for putting seychel first!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 06, 2014, 09:00:43 PM
The following is a statement from the Orthodox Union:
The New York Post headline Sunday following the gruesome murder of Menachem Stark, “Who didn’t want him dead?” is a violation of every rule of taste, decency and respect that even newspapers that depend on coverage that shocks and titillates must observe. Regarding respect, even if they had none for the victim, certainly they should have demonstrated some feeling for the deceased’s widow and seven children, who are now mourning his loss.

We do not accuse the Post of anti-Semitism. Its strong support of Israel over the years has been most welcome, when publications of a more genteel character have criticized the Jewish state on a regular basis. But the fact that the photo and headline will surely encourage others to be anti-Semitic, or to fuel their already existing anti-Semitism, makes it clear that the headline should simply have read, “Cops Investigate Brutal Murder of Father of Seven.”


I find it very heartening that the OU took its time and thought out its response, rather than impulsively jumping to call the NY Post anti-Semitic. Kudos to the OU for putting seychel first!

And I like it because it's the first statement that is written well
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 06, 2014, 09:41:08 PM
Maybe because you are still using a Centro?  :P

Works fine on my Iphone.
I didn't try it, my brother tried it on his S3.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 09:46:14 PM
The following is a statement from the Orthodox Union:
The New York Post headline Sunday following the gruesome murder of Menachem Stark, “Who didn’t want him dead?” is a violation of every rule of taste, decency and respect that even newspapers that depend on coverage that shocks and titillates must observe. Regarding respect, even if they had none for the victim, certainly they should have demonstrated some feeling for the deceased’s widow and seven children, who are now mourning his loss.

We do not accuse the Post of anti-Semitism. Its strong support of Israel over the years has been most welcome, when publications of a more genteel character have criticized the Jewish state on a regular basis. But the fact that the photo and headline will surely encourage others to be anti-Semitic, or to fuel their already existing anti-Semitism, makes it clear that the headline should simply have read, “Cops Investigate Brutal Murder of Father of Seven.”


I find it very heartening that the OU took its time and thought out its response, rather than impulsively jumping to call the NY Post anti-Semitic. Kudos to the OU for putting seychel first!
Something is wrong with the sentence structure imho.

#notwrittenwell
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 06, 2014, 09:48:06 PM
Something is wrong with the sentence structure imho.

#notwrittenwell


What's wrong with that sentence?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: avremie on January 06, 2014, 09:53:39 PM
over 2600 onestar reviews
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 06, 2014, 09:58:11 PM
Does anyone have any updates?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 10:35:08 PM
What's wrong with that sentence?
First of, its 'while' not 'when'.
Even if fixed it could still be structured better
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 06, 2014, 11:26:56 PM

iTunes reviews started posting - all 1s

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/new-york-post-iphone-edition/id410094240?mt=8
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 06, 2014, 11:27:36 PM
First of, its 'while' not 'when'.
Even if fixed it could still be structured better
-1
"When" is perfectly fine. You may have chosen to write "while" instead, but that'd be a matter of style.  There is nothing wrong with "when" in that sentence.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: leeboy on January 06, 2014, 11:37:49 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/151288/2014/01/03/brooklyn-ny-businessman-abducted-from-his-williamsburg-office/

Please pray for מנחם משולם בן שאניא עטי'ה

See these articles:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/southside-associates-llc-brooklyn?nb=1

http://therealdeal.com/blog/2011/07/12/israel-perlmuter-known-as-sam-perl-and-menachem-stark-face-51m-in-property-suits-over-williamsburg-and-greenpoint-developments/

By posting those articles you are implying that there is good reason for this tragedy.
Just so happens to be that most rental complexes have terrible reviews just because most people are complainers especially lower class rental complexes.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 06, 2014, 11:42:28 PM
By posting those articles you are implying that there is good reason for this tragedy.


Give him a break. He wrote it before anyone knew how this would end.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 06, 2014, 11:43:13 PM
-1
"When" is perfectly fine. You may have chosen to write "while" instead, but that'd be a matter of style.  There is nothing wrong with "when" in that sentence.
When is for a point in time, while is for a duration.
Its wrong.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 06, 2014, 11:54:19 PM
When is for a point in time, while is for a duration.
Its wrong.
B.S.

"Hey, Josh, ya 'member the good old days when you and I would hang out all the time?"
"Hey, Josh, ya 'member the good old days while you and I would hang out all the time?"

You are welcome to continue to argue, but don't make up rules.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 06, 2014, 11:54:35 PM
When is for a point in time, while is for a duration.
Its wrong.

You're telling him about the difference between when and while, while you just wrote "Its wrong"? Man!

BTW why are we bickering about grammar on a thread about a shocking, sickening tragedy?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 07, 2014, 12:00:02 AM
You're telling him about the difference between when and while, while you just wrote "Its wrong"? Man!

BTW why are we bickering about grammar on a thread about a shocking, sickening tragedy?
Good point.
I'll disengage now.
Thanks for pointing that out.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 07, 2014, 12:33:07 AM
B.S.

"Hey, Josh, ya 'member the good old days when you and I would hang out all the time?"
"Hey, Josh, ya 'member the good old days while you and I would hang out all the time?"

You are welcome to continue to argue, but don't make up rules.
you're misunderstanding. The good old days is "back in the day" -a point in time. When two things happened over time, simultaneously its while.

See link if you want to perfect your English.

http://www.perfectyourenglish.com/usage/as-when-while.htm
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 07, 2014, 12:41:34 AM
Anyone see this?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 07, 2014, 12:43:08 AM
Anyone see this?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg687133.msg#687133 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg687133.msg#687133)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2014, 12:54:59 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg687133.msg#687133 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg687133.msg#687133)
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg687133#msg687133
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ual902 on January 07, 2014, 01:22:09 AM
Partner may be suspect in Brooklyn landlord Menachem Stark’s murder: Source
Menachem Stark’s business partner, Israel Perlmutter, is being treated as a possible suspect because police are convinced he has been lying to them about Stark and trying to use a Russian businessman as a scapegoat, according to a police source. Meanwhile, a reward for information leading to the killers was raised to $25,000.



http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murdered-brooklyn-man-family-pleads-public-article-1.1567726#ixzz2pguFrMHJ (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murdered-brooklyn-man-family-pleads-public-article-1.1567726#ixzz2pguFrMHJ)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 07, 2014, 05:34:10 AM
Typical tabloid news. Really hard to believe.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 07, 2014, 05:48:54 AM
Tabloids get away with too much nonsense.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 07:42:09 AM
Really hard to believe.
SOP. When the DW/DH gets killed suspect the spouse. In this case suspect the partner.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 08:07:37 AM
I know the partner personally.
This is pure  BS.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: puddles on January 07, 2014, 08:41:18 AM
Typical tabloid news. Really hard to believe.
Honestly, nothing surprises me anymore. I really hope this is not true.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2014, 08:46:46 AM
Partner may be suspect in Brooklyn landlord Menachem Stark’s murder: Source
Menachem Stark’s business partner, Israel Perlmutter, is being treated as a possible suspect because police are convinced he has been lying to them about Stark and trying to use a Russian businessman as a scapegoat, according to a police source. Meanwhile, a reward for information leading to the killers was raised to $25,000.



http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murdered-brooklyn-man-family-pleads-public-article-1.1567726#ixzz2pguFrMHJ (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/murdered-brooklyn-man-family-pleads-public-article-1.1567726#ixzz2pguFrMHJ)
:o :o ::) ::) ::) :P  -100000000000000000000

I know the guy personally. Please stop this non sense.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aygart on January 07, 2014, 08:47:46 AM
Btw, the post is also on the Amazon app store
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 07, 2014, 08:54:00 AM
I know the partner personally.
This is pure  BS.
:o :o ::) ::) ::) :P  -100000000000000000000

I know the guy personally. Please stop this non sense.

You guys might be right, but I seriously don't understand the logic to your argument. So what if you know him personally -- how does that prove that he did not do it?

I always here this when it comes to molestation -- "I know him personally and he could not have done it."
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 07, 2014, 09:01:23 AM
The Amazon one had horrible reviews without our help...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 07, 2014, 09:24:07 AM
You guys might be right, but I seriously don't understand the logic to your argument. So what if you know him personally -- how does that prove that he did not do it?

I always here this when it comes to molestation -- "I know him personally and he could not have done it."
+1 how many people knew finkel
#justsayin
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: george on January 07, 2014, 09:25:40 AM
+1 how many people knew finkel
+1
Well said.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2014, 09:43:27 AM
You guys might be right, but I seriously don't understand the logic to your argument. So what if you know him personally -- how does that prove that he did not do it?

I always here this when it comes to molestation -- "I know him personally and he could not have done it."
He haves no source to what he says, so I technically I can say that this is not true even I don't know him. 2. Please don't compare this to molestation. When someone is saying this by molestation I agree with you, not here. However my point is, when he is saying 'it's PROBABLY his business partner, I feel comfortable to disagree because I know him.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2014, 09:45:13 AM
+1
Well said.
+1 how many people knew finkel
#justsayin
You guys are just weird.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 07, 2014, 09:47:27 AM
You guys are just weird.
I've been called worse
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
Comparing selling non kosher meat to murdering a close business partner.  ::)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 07, 2014, 09:53:53 AM
Comparing selling non kosher meat to murdering a close business partner.  ::)
exactly why I added the hashtag the point is that people were saying then that they know him so well that it's impossible etc. אין אדם חוטא אא"כ נכנס בו רוח שטות
Again I'm not saying it's true just that "I know him" to us and the rest of the world is not a convincing argument
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Let3 on January 07, 2014, 09:56:50 AM
Comparing selling non kosher meat to murdering a close business partner.  ::)
Does anyone think that this may not have been a planned murder?
Maybe was just supposed to be kidnapped (for money), but went wrong while they were trying to restrain him...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 07, 2014, 10:01:31 AM
Does anyone think that this may not have been a planned murder?
Maybe was just supposed to be kidnapped (for money), but went wrong while they were trying to restrain him...
Its been mentioned on the news.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Let3 on January 07, 2014, 10:15:05 AM
Its been mentioned on the news.
I see now.
That may make a lot more ppl suspects though .. (Even if not the "murderous " type of ppl )
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 10:41:29 AM
I know the partner personally.
This is pure  BS.
Wish I had a nickel for every time I have heard that.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 11:09:43 AM
Knowing someone personally is apparently not a convincing argument when it comes to molestation, sexual assault, white collar crime, and even simple robbery.
But when it comes murdering a fellow Jew, yes it is a convincing argument.

Next subject please.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 11:13:25 AM
But when it comes murdering a fellow Jew, yes it is a convincing argument.
So Jews never murder Jews? You need to open your eyes.  ;)
Now next subject please.  :)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 07, 2014, 11:15:34 AM
So Jews never murder Jews? You need to open your eyes.  ;)
Now next sublect please.  :)
Some Jews might but not the Jews we know... :)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 11:15:36 AM
next subject
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 11:17:38 AM
Some Jews might but not the Jews we know... :)
Now that makes sense.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 07, 2014, 11:24:27 AM
SOP. When the DW/DH gets killed suspect the spouse. In this case suspect the partner.
thats right.

It seems like some people here have no idea how law enforcement works, after such a crime i would be surprised if he isn't considered a suspect, not because i believe that he was involved but thats how investigations work, your a suspect until its 100% proven that your not
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 11:29:48 AM
I never said he's not supposed to be a suspect from an investigators perspective.
I just said my personal opinion about this.

And I said next subject.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 07, 2014, 11:32:20 AM
Just a thought.

Imagine the NY Post wrote this Headline  by Trayvon Martin.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 11:37:12 AM
I just said my personal opinion about this.

And I said next subject.
You made it sound like a fact.
How are we going to get to the next subject if you keep harping on this one?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 07, 2014, 11:37:47 AM

How are we going to get to the next subject if you keep harping on this one?
By saying next subject 5 more times...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 11:38:42 AM
Imagine the NY Post wrote this Headline  by Trayvon Martin.
TM had a lot of enemies? The answer would be, GZ.  :P
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 07, 2014, 11:46:17 AM
It sounds like he does not want all their business dealings unraveled and exposed. They will pressure him to talk by calling him suspect.
To get to the bottom of this the cops would need to know everything that they were involved in.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 11:58:54 AM
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 07, 2014, 12:05:20 PM
It sounds like he does not want all their business dealings unraveled and exposed. They will pressure him to talk by calling him suspect.
To get to the bottom of this the cops would need to know everything that they were involved in.


Yup
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 07, 2014, 02:22:25 PM

It sounds like he does not want all their business dealings unraveled and exposed. They will pressure him to talk by calling him suspect.
To get to the bottom of this the cops would need to know everything that they were involved in.
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2014, 02:44:02 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/151578/2014/01/07/brooklyn-ny-first-on-vin-lawyer-says-perlmutter-outraged-by-baseless-accusation/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2014, 03:08:02 PM
It sounds like he does not want all their business dealings unraveled and exposed. They will pressure him to talk by calling him suspect.
To get to the bottom of this the cops would need to know everything that they were involved in.
Stating the obvious. They're gonna try to find Perlmutter's possible white collar crimes thru this.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Crazy tools on January 07, 2014, 03:09:29 PM
So is this becoming the trend?
http://m.nydailynews.com/1.1568370
This is disgusting
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 03:16:45 PM
Stating the obvious. They're gonna try to find Perlmutter's possible white collar crimes thru this.
ding ding ding
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 07, 2014, 03:57:24 PM
So my landlord just called me, he just want's to make sure everything is alright....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 07, 2014, 03:59:27 PM
So my landlord just called me, he just want's to make sure everything is alright....
You didn't get a rent reduction?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 07, 2014, 04:01:11 PM
So my landlord just called me, he just want's to make sure everything is alright....
lol
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 04:07:18 PM
So my landlord just called me, he just want's to make sure everything is alright....
Tell him you need to see him in the basement.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 07, 2014, 04:26:48 PM
Post rating is down to 1.6
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 07, 2014, 04:29:03 PM
Tell him you need to see him in the basement.

Is this gallows humor the way some of us are coping?

Please, let's not forget, this thread is not the joke thread. Sorry if I am being uptight, and sorry if this is just the way some people need to "process" their "grief."
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 07, 2014, 04:39:59 PM
Is this gallows humor the way some of us are coping?

Please, let's not forget, this thread is not the joke thread. Sorry if I am being uptight, and sorry if this is just the way some people need to "process" their "grief."
I never did understand why serious threads are started in JS.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 07, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
Some Jews might but not the Jews we know... :)
Or most that you know  ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 07, 2014, 05:39:08 PM
Is this gallows humor the way some of us are coping?

Please, let's not forget, this thread is not the joke thread. Sorry if I am being uptight, and sorry if this is just the way some people need to "process" their "grief."

+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on January 07, 2014, 07:09:17 PM
Dear Mrs. Stark and the entire family,

I had the pleasure of dealing with your husband and family leader
"Max" for almost every month since 2001. I was the first tenant in his new
building at 315 Seigel St and I am still here after all these years. We
often spoke about building up the neighborhood when it was not safe to even
walk around here. He answered my call and was always there to assist and
help with any needs I had as a tenant. On many occasions, he would call me
to walk around with him collecting the rents and was always interested in my
business and how my family was doing. Max and I were the same age. After
hearing that he had a new born, I immediately called to wish him my best for
the
new baby and he replied, I would need to get busy to catch up to him.
I had my first born in the building and he and Sam were nice enough to stop
by to see my son.

Max was a Stand Up guy, a good friend and a very good landlord. I wanted to
take the time to let you know that the world will not be the same without
him. Especially our street here at Seigel. Max was a pioneer of the
neighborhood and his memory will always be remembered here by our tenants in
the building. God Bless his soul and may he be in peace until we will all
join him some day in the heavens.

If there is anything I can ever do for you or your family, please call me
anytime.

Sincerely,

Eric Ortense
apt 214
315 Seigel St

http://chnewsninfo.com/?p=4174
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 07, 2014, 07:15:48 PM
Beautiful
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on January 07, 2014, 08:52:40 PM
Very nice, especially since its not from one of his community.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Chuck2 on January 07, 2014, 08:54:43 PM
http://jpupdates.com/2014/01/07/rundown-22-leaks-investigators-press/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 07, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
http://jpupdates.com/2014/01/07/rundown-22-leaks-investigators-press/
Great article!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 07, 2014, 11:43:07 PM
http://hamodia.com/2014/01/07/depravity-hits-new-low-2/

http://hamodia.com/2014/01/07/mr-mayor-silence-deafening
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 07, 2014, 11:55:17 PM
http://hamodia.com/2014/01/07/mr-mayor-silence-deafening
Umm, this isn't the only murder that has ever happened in NYC!
As of Jan 6th there were already 8 murders in NYC. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/slays-give-2014-sad-start-article-1.1567285)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 08, 2014, 12:13:56 AM
5 stars?
"Bad App"?
#fail
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 08, 2014, 12:14:27 AM
Umm, this isn't the only murder that has ever happened in NYC!
As of Jan 6th there were already 8 murders in NYC. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/slays-give-2014-sad-start-article-1.1567285)

Not commenting vs. Refusing to comment at all costs on a giant controversy.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 12:19:37 AM
Not commenting vs. Refusing to comment at all costs on a giant controversy.
What should he say?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 08, 2014, 12:20:37 AM
What should he say?

Only something. Something
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 12:29:22 AM
Only something. Something
It is an ongoing murder investigation. Should he open his big mouth like our president did in the TM case?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 08, 2014, 12:30:37 AM
Umm, this isn't the only murder that has ever happened in NYC!
As of Jan 6th there were already 8 murders in NYC. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/slays-give-2014-sad-start-article-1.1567285)
Thanks to our new mayer
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 08, 2014, 12:34:15 AM
Thanks to our new mayor
Yup! He personally made the arrangements
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 08, 2014, 12:45:40 AM
No, Tony got a text message that DeBlasio is the new mayor so he decided to put Mr.  Stark in the garbage can.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 08, 2014, 12:46:33 AM
So that's how it went, I was wondering....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 08, 2014, 12:46:59 AM
Thanks to our new mayer
Not fair.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 08, 2014, 02:13:19 AM
Thanks to our new mayer
some people here are beyond stupid
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 08, 2014, 02:35:50 AM
some people here are beyond stupid

Why? Cuz he misspelled mayor? Hameir l'aretz u'l'darim aleha.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 02:40:04 AM
some people here are beyond stupid
What comes after stupid?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 08, 2014, 02:44:32 AM
What comes after stupid?

It comes full circle and becomes smart again.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 02:46:15 AM
It comes full circle and becomes smart again.
I have something to look forward to.  :)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 08, 2014, 02:54:36 AM
I have something to look forward to.  :)

Only if you don't give up. Rocky's strong now.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 08, 2014, 04:39:35 AM
Huh they are predicting crime will go up,  especially if stop and frisk is stopped under him.  I know it's too soon to talk but it is a coincidence that since de blasio took office more cases than usual.

 http://gothamist.com/2013/11/01/giuliani_de_blasio_will_totally_bri.php (http://gothamist.com/2013/11/01/giuliani_de_blasio_will_totally_bri.php)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 08, 2014, 09:22:42 AM
What should he say?

He keeps his mouth running a whole day and here he doesn't have what to say?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 09:39:39 AM
The Amazon one had horrible reviews without our help...
amazon link about stark?
source link?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 08, 2014, 09:42:06 AM
amazon link about stark?
source link?
I assume he was talking about the New YorK Post app in the Amazon Appstore (http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Post-for-Phone/dp/B005F9Z2G8/ref=sr_1_2?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1389192052&sr=1-2&keywords=new+york+post)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 08, 2014, 09:43:15 AM
http://hamodia.com/2014/01/07/depravity-hits-new-low-2/

http://hamodia.com/2014/01/07/mr-mayor-silence-deafening

Great articles.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 09:43:57 AM
I assume he was talking about the New YorK Post app in the Amazon Appstore (http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Post-for-Phone/dp/B005F9Z2G8/ref=sr_1_2?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1389192052&sr=1-2&keywords=new+york+post)
yes, i see - thnks!
was thinking it was amazon reviews for stark story itself...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 08, 2014, 10:52:06 AM

Why? Cuz he misspelled mayor? Hameir l'aretz u'l'darim aleha.
actually I didn't notice that, now that u mention it....😜.

The fact that he suggested that Mayor was responsible for the six murders in the few days since he took office was stupid in the extreme

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2014, 10:54:16 AM
I assume he was talking about the New YorK Post app in the Amazon Appstore (http://www.amazon.com/New-York-Post-for-Phone/dp/B005F9Z2G8/ref=sr_1_2?s=mobile-apps&ie=UTF8&qid=1389192052&sr=1-2&keywords=new+york+post)
That
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 11:04:00 AM
actually I didn't notice that, now that u mention it....😜.

The fact that he suggested that Mayor was responsible for the six murders in the few days since he took office was stupid in the extreme
not responsible, but why haven't we seen public condemnation of NYC murders this year?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 08, 2014, 11:07:23 AM
not responsible, but why haven't we seen public condemnation of NYC murders this year?
There were 334 homicides in NYC in 2013.  6,173 over his 12 years as mayor.

Did Mayor Bloomberg hold daily news conferences condemning the latest murder?

While this is closer to all of us and therefore affects us on a more personal level, there are many people killed every year with just a small blurb in the newspaper.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 11:27:20 AM
There were 334 homicides in NYC in 2013.  6,173 over his 12 years as mayor.

Did Mayor Bloomberg hold daily news conferences condemning the latest murder?

While this is closer to all of us and therefore affects us on a more personal level, there are many people killed every year with just a small blurb in the newspaper.
this year = 2014.

Secondly, this wasn't a random murder, a drug murder, or a targeted murder.
This was a vicious kidnapping of a 39 yr old wealthy businessman at the start of 2014 - and prob a tortured-to-death sitch... needs a press statement from the mayor's office - any word if they're doing an autopsy?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 08, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
There were 334 homicides in NYC in 2013.  6,173 over his 12 years as mayor.

Did Mayor Bloomberg hold daily news conferences condemning the latest murder?

While this is closer to all of us and therefore affects us on a more personal level, there are many people killed every year with just a small blurb in the newspaper.

Few if any have created this much controversy.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 08, 2014, 11:30:06 AM
There were 334 homicides in NYC in 2013.  6,173 over his 12 years as mayor.

Did Mayor Bloomberg hold daily news conferences condemning the latest murder?

While this is closer to all of us and therefore affects us on a more personal level, there are many people killed every year with just a small blurb in the newspaper.
He payed a shiva call by kletzky,  de blasio totally ignored  the stark case.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 11:54:36 AM
He payed a shiva call by kletzky,  de blasio totally ignored  the stark case.
who's "he" by Kletzky? Bloomberg?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Emkay on January 08, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
who's "he" by Kletzky? Bloomberg?
ya
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Menachem613 on January 08, 2014, 11:58:45 AM

He payed a shiva call by kletzky,  de blasio totally ignored  the stark case.

The two tragedies are not comparable.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 12:01:37 PM
needs a press statement from the mayor's office
What do you want him to say?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 12:03:29 PM
He payed a shiva call by kletzky,  de blasio totally ignored  the stark case.
What do you want him to say?
maybe deBlasio won't do shiva call, but he must continue to search for killers and justice...
when pple buy buildings in low-income areas, even $1 million investments and 1,000 hours of care
cannot remove rat infestation... (esp. if tenets have food, issues, etc..)
this murder/kidnapping/possible torture has to be publicly condemned
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 12:05:37 PM
but he must continue to search for killers and justice...
They are doing that and the mayor should stay out of their way.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 12:12:11 PM
They are doing that and the mayor should stay out of their way.
+1
of course,
they should do their job without his involvement,
however a public condemnation from the mayor and public call to search for killers of a 39 yr old business man would show that it's a priority and not 'just another shooting...'
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 08, 2014, 12:15:54 PM
+1
of course,
they should do their job without his involvement,
however a public condemnation from the mayor and public call to search for killers of a 39 yr old business man would show that it's a priority and not 'just another shooting...'
Why is this not just another shooting? For you or for him?? How do you think the 334 people who got killed last year would feel if they read what you just wrote?
Does the fact that he is from our community mean that it should be more of a priority for the mayor than if he was African American?

A human life is a human life.  Okay, I'm sure some of those murdered over the past year were murderers themselves who deserved to die. But many innocent people are murdered and you don't see people calling the mayor to task for not calling press conferences every other day.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Yitz on January 08, 2014, 12:23:17 PM
Why is this not just another shooting? For you or for him?? How do you think the 334 people who got killed last year would feel if they read what you just wrote?
Does the fact that he is from our community mean that it should be more of a priority for the mayor than if he was African American?

A human life is a human life.  Okay, I'm sure some of those murdered over the past year were murderers themselves who deserved to die. But many innocent people are murdered and you don't see people calling the mayor to task for not calling press conferences every other day.

Perhaps the circumstances are unique.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 08, 2014, 12:25:03 PM
Perhaps the circumstances are unique.
How so?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 12:31:29 PM
Why is this not just another shooting? For you or for him?? How do you think the 334 people who got killed last year would feel if they read what you just wrote?   ...
 ... Does the fact that he is from our community mean that it should be more of a priority for the mayor than if he was African American?
if it was just another shooting, then they'd drive by and pull out guns and shoot
That's what the majority of the NYC murders (or stabbing, poisoning, etc..) are.

This one was first kidnapped and placed into van and then killed  - body found 2 days later
and btw... $25,000 is a pathetic reward:
http://brooklyn.news12.com/news/reward-increased-to-25-000-for-information-on-murder-of-williamsburg-businessman-menachem-stark-1.6739638?qr=1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 08, 2014, 12:32:07 PM
if it was just another shooting, then they'd drive by and pull out guns and shoot
That's what the majority of the NYC murders (or stabbing, poisoning, etc..) are.

This one was first kidnapped and placed into van and then killed  - body found 2 days later
and btw... $25,000 is a pathetic reward:
http://brooklyn.news12.com/news/reward-increased-to-25-000-for-information-on-murder-of-williamsburg-businessman-menachem-stark-1.6739638?qr=1

Upped to $49,000
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ephraimh on January 08, 2014, 02:09:15 PM
this year = 2014.

Secondly, this wasn't a random murder, a drug murder, or a targeted murder.
This was a vicious kidnapping of a 39 yr old wealthy businessman at the start of 2014 - and prob a tortured-to-death sitch... needs a press statement from the mayor's office - any word if they're doing an autopsy?
They did an autopsy before the funeral.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 08, 2014, 02:17:05 PM
They say abducters might have been foreigners and car had ohio plate
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 08, 2014, 02:33:52 PM
There were 334 homicides in NYC in 2013.  6,173 over his 12 years as mayor.

Did Mayor Bloomberg hold daily news conferences condemning the latest murder?

While this is closer to all of us and therefore affects us on a more personal level, there are many people killed every year with just a small blurb in the newspaper.
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 08, 2014, 02:37:37 PM
They did an autopsy before the funeral.
results may take another week?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 08, 2014, 04:39:51 PM
results may take another week?
Sure, why not?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Chuck2 on January 08, 2014, 05:40:01 PM

Tenant nearly beheaded Brooklyn landlord who had 'humiliated' him for being short on cash: NYPD sources

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/brooklyn-tenant-slays-landlord-teasing-cops-article-1.1569878#ixzz2pqjI13Qy
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ual902 on January 08, 2014, 07:34:26 PM
Tenant nearly beheaded Brooklyn landlord who had 'humiliated' him for being short on cash: NYPD sources

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/brooklyn-tenant-slays-landlord-teasing-cops-article-1.1569878#ixzz2pqjI13Qy

Will blasio meet with the family?!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 08, 2014, 07:38:46 PM
Will blasio meet with the family?!
Will he make a public statement?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: bestwatchman on January 08, 2014, 07:58:56 PM
Upped to 72000. 50 from family, 20 from nypd and 2 from crime stoppers (nypd)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on January 08, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
New surveillance footage: http://www.vosizneias.com/151741/2014/01/09/new-york-ny-nypd-release-new-surveillance-shows-suspect-in-slain-real-estate-developers-kidnapping/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 08, 2014, 11:19:10 PM
ק/פ. געהערט א מעשה פון א דבר טוב פונעם נפטר וואס ווארפט אביסל א בליק פון זיין געוואלדיגע חסד.

ליידער זיינט יענע שווארצע טאג ביי כלל ישראל ווען סאיז ארויס געקימען די שולד אורטייל אקעגן הרה"ח ר' נחמי צבי בן דינה איז די משפחה געמאלדן געווארן פון א קאר סערוויס אז סיי ווען איינער דארף א קאר צו די תפיסה קענען זיי עם ריפן פאר אימזינסט און אזוי איז עס געגנגען ביז די וואך ווען די משפחה האט געריפן די קאר סערוויס האט ער געזאגט אז ס'גייט קאסטן געלט צו מ'דארף די קאר האט מען עם געפרעגט וואס איז יעצט געשען האט ער געזאגט זייער קלאר אז ליידער ווען יעדער האט געקרעכצט מיט די ביטערע נייעס האט עם דיר נפטר מנחם משולם הי"ד בן ישראל שטארק געריפן און געזאגט אז ער וועט עם באצאלן א גיטן פרייז ווען די משפחה דארף א קאר אבער ליידער יעצט ווען ער איז שוין ליידער נישט דא מיז ער בעטן געלט פון די משפחה ע"כ המעשה.

איך מיין אז ווערטער זענען אונגאצן איבעריג דא ס'רעדט /ס'וויינט פון זיך אליין

נאר וואס דען יא איינער קען נאך כאפן די מצוה און טיען צי די זאך און זיך פארבינדן מיט די משפחה ארום און מעלדן אז ער איז גרייט צובאצאלן די וועגן אז זיי זאלן קענען גיין באזוכן און תפיסה.

זאל ער שוין אויספוילן אויבן אין הימל און ברענגן א ישועה פאר ר' נחמי צבי בן דינה בתוך כל כלל ישראל.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 09, 2014, 12:09:41 AM
Is there a link to the video?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 09, 2014, 12:11:25 AM
Is there a link to the video?
http://i.mobypicture.com/user/KolHaolam/view/16440760  (http://i.mobypicture.com/user/KolHaolam/view/16440760)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 09, 2014, 12:18:54 AM
These guys could be well out of the country by now...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 09, 2014, 12:22:11 AM
These guys could be well out of the country by now...
If they're smart enough they would
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 09, 2014, 12:22:34 AM
ק/פ. געהערט א מעשה פון א דבר טוב פונעם נפטר וואס ווארפט אביסל א בליק פון זיין געוואלדיגע חסד.

ליידער זיינט יענע שווארצע טאג ביי כלל ישראל ווען סאיז ארויס געקימען די שולד אורטייל אקעגן הרה"ח ר' נחמי צבי בן דינה איז די משפחה געמאלדן געווארן פון א קאר סערוויס אז סיי ווען איינער דארף א קאר צו די תפיסה קענען זיי עם ריפן פאר אימזינסט און אזוי איז עס געגנגען ביז די וואך ווען די משפחה האט געריפן די קאר סערוויס האט ער געזאגט אז ס'גייט קאסטן געלט צו מ'דארף די קאר האט מען עם געפרעגט וואס איז יעצט געשען האט ער געזאגט זייער קלאר אז ליידער ווען יעדער האט געקרעכצט מיט די ביטערע נייעס האט עם דיר נפטר מנחם משולם הי"ד בן ישראל שטארק געריפן און געזאגט אז ער וועט עם באצאלן א גיטן פרייז ווען די משפחה דארף א קאר אבער ליידער יעצט ווען ער איז שוין ליידער נישט דא מיז ער בעטן געלט פון די משפחה ע"כ המעשה.

איך מיין אז ווערטער זענען אונגאצן איבעריג דא ס'רעדט /ס'וויינט פון זיך אליין

נאר וואס דען יא איינער קען נאך כאפן די מצוה און טיען צי די זאך און זיך פארבינדן מיט די משפחה ארום און מעלדן אז ער איז גרייט צובאצאלן די וועגן אז זיי זאלן קענען גיין באזוכן און תפיסה.

זאל ער שוין אויספוילן אויבן אין הימל און ברענגן א ישועה פאר ר' נחמי צבי בן דינה בתוך כל כלל ישראל.

Did you get permission from the family to publish this?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 09, 2014, 12:23:56 AM
ק/פ. געהערט א מעשה פון א דבר טוב פונעם נפטר וואס ווארפט אביסל א בליק פון זיין געוואלדיגע חסד.

ליידער זיינט יענע שווארצע טאג ביי כלל ישראל ווען סאיז ארויס געקימען די שולד אורטייל אקעגן הרה"ח ר' נחמי צבי בן דינה איז די משפחה געמאלדן געווארן פון א קאר סערוויס אז סיי ווען איינער דארף א קאר צו די תפיסה קענען זיי עם ריפן פאר אימזינסט און אזוי איז עס געגנגען ביז די וואך ווען די משפחה האט געריפן די קאר סערוויס האט ער געזאגט אז ס'גייט קאסטן געלט צו מ'דארף די קאר האט מען עם געפרעגט וואס איז יעצט געשען האט ער געזאגט זייער קלאר אז ליידער ווען יעדער האט געקרעכצט מיט די ביטערע נייעס האט עם דיר נפטר מנחם משולם הי"ד בן ישראל שטארק געריפן און געזאגט אז ער וועט עם באצאלן א גיטן פרייז ווען די משפחה דארף א קאר אבער ליידער יעצט ווען ער איז שוין ליידער נישט דא מיז ער בעטן געלט פון די משפחה ע"כ המעשה.

איך מיין אז ווערטער זענען אונגאצן איבעריג דא ס'רעדט /ס'וויינט פון זיך אליין

נאר וואס דען יא איינער קען נאך כאפן די מצוה און טיען צי די זאך און זיך פארבינדן מיט די משפחה ארום און מעלדן אז ער איז גרייט צובאצאלן די וועגן אז זיי זאלן קענען גיין באזוכן און תפיסה.

זאל ער שוין אויספוילן אויבן אין הימל און ברענגן א ישועה פאר ר' נחמי צבי בן דינה בתוך כל כלל ישראל.

...'א שיינע מעשה אָבער איך מיין אַז עס איז נישט כדאי וכו
...'אפילו אַז מ'שרייבט אויף ייִדיש וכו
.געב איך נאָר אַ עצה
.בכל אופן ...זאָלן אַלע אידן  האָבן אַ ישועה

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 09, 2014, 05:31:52 AM
Did you get permission from the family to publish this?


...'א שיינע מעשה אָבער איך מיין אַז עס איז נישט כדאי וכו
...'אפילו אַז מ'שרייבט אויף ייִדיש וכו
.געב איך נאָר אַ עצה
.בכל אופן ...זאָלן אַלע אידן  האָבן אַ ישועה
Right right!
I got it on Whatsapp and I forwarded it, I didn't think it might be not appropriate.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dd321 on January 09, 2014, 06:12:03 AM

Did you get permission from the family to publish this?
translate?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 09, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
in any case, "how do you know this story is true?"
"um, it must be true because I got it on whatsapp"
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 09, 2014, 08:52:55 AM
in any case, "how do you know this story is true?"
"um, it must be true because I got it on whatsapp"
Do you even have whatsapp?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 09, 2014, 09:17:58 AM
in any case, "how do you know this story is true?"
"um, it must be true because I got it on whatsapp"
maybe he knows him personally
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 09, 2014, 10:48:40 AM
Right right!
I got it on Whatsapp and I forwarded it, I didn't think it might be not appropriate.

Centro, my brother, I love you, so don't take this the wrong way,, but... I am thinking that your post may have come from the same reflex reaction we have when it's erev Shabbos at the grocery and you grab a bag of candy for the kids and realize it's an unfamiliar brand and you look for the hechsher... scanning, scanning, a hah! Right here! Hebrew letters! Throw it in the cart!  ;)

Al derech zeh, I bet you could translate the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and print it in Rashi script and it could sit on shaffers for years before anyone would realize.

Bottom line... nisht altz vos iz geshribben gevorn af Yiddish iz kdai l'farsem.

Again, all of my love, brother!

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 09, 2014, 10:51:09 AM
Centro, my brother, I love you, so don't take this the wrong way,, but... I am thinking that your post may have come from the same reflex reaction we have when it's erev Shabbos at the grocery and you grab a bag of candy for the kids and realize it's an unfamiliar brand and you look for the hechsher... scanning, scanning, a hah! Right here! Hebrew letters! Throw it in the cart!  ;)


So that's why I gained so much weight during my year in Israel... ;D
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dave321 on January 09, 2014, 10:54:37 AM
Can someone explain to me why all the surveillance video camera's show slow moving and unclear video? This is the 21st century. No one has figured out how to make a good surveillance camera??
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 09, 2014, 11:01:13 AM
Centro, my brother, I love you, so don't take this the wrong way,, but... I am thinking that your post may have come from the same reflex reaction we have when it's erev Shabbos at the grocery and you grab a bag of candy for the kids and realize it's an unfamiliar brand and you look for the hechsher... scanning, scanning, a hah! Right here! Hebrew letters! Throw it in the cart!  ;)

Al derech zeh, I bet you could translate the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and print it in Rashi script and it could sit on shaffers for years before anyone would realize.

Bottom line... nisht altz vos iz geshribben gevorn af Yiddish iz kdai l'farsem.

Again, all of my love, brother!
I totally agree with you, that's exactly why i excused my self,
I would delete my post but it was was quoted so ill have nothing out of deleting it.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: hocker on January 09, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
I would delete my post but it was was quoted so ill have nothing out of deleting it.
Why would you! Beautiful story about the niftar!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yhakak on January 09, 2014, 02:58:33 PM
Why would you! Beautiful story about the niftar!

My Yiddish isn't great (hey, i'm mizrahi), but is נחמי צבי בן דינה who i think it is? If so, you would consider this a beautiful story?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 09, 2014, 03:00:37 PM
My Yiddish isn't great (hey, i'm mizrahi), but is נחמי צבי בן דינה who i think it is? If so, you would consider this a beautiful story?
Yes I would.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 03:01:07 PM
My Yiddish isn't great (hey, i'm mizrahi), but is נחמי צבי בן דינה who i think it is? If so, you would consider this a beautiful story?
His Rebbe holds that the man is innocent. So yes - it is a beautiful story. He's allowed to trust his Rebbe.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yhakak on January 09, 2014, 03:02:32 PM
Yes I would.

and of all the possibilities (from what I understand Mr. Shartk did a fair amount of chessed), it would be a good idea to highlight dafka this story?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 09, 2014, 03:05:01 PM
His Rebbe holds that the man is innocent. So yes - it is a beautiful story. He's allowed to trust his Rebbe.

Guys, I'm gonna say this in English although I already wrote a response in Yiddish. Leave it alone. It's not productive.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 09, 2014, 03:06:23 PM
and of all the possibilities (from what I understand Mr. Shartk did a fair amount of chessed), it would be a good idea to highlight dafka this story?
All I wanted to point out is, that he wasn't in the office when Webberman was with this reck girl.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 03:07:25 PM
and of all the possibilities (from what I understand Mr. Shartk did a fair amount of chessed), it would be a good idea to highlight dafka this story?
It is a Yoselle the Miser type story. That's what makes it beautiful.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 03:07:46 PM
All I wanted to point out is, that he wasn't in the office when Webberman was with this reck girl.
reck ?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 09, 2014, 03:08:10 PM
It is a Yoselle the Miser type story. That's what makes it beautiful.

Actually, that's what makes it a trope.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yhakak on January 09, 2014, 03:09:34 PM
Actually, that's what makes it a trope.
+1

You're right, no point discussing this any more. I'm done.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 09, 2014, 03:58:18 PM
Can someone explain to me why all the surveillance video camera's show slow moving and unclear video? This is the 21st century. No one has figured out how to make a good surveillance camera??

There are plenty of good surveillance systems out there. Trust me, your local bank is using the best of the best. The problem is that most small businesses and homeowners are not willing to spend the kind of money needed to capture and store HD video. Ultra HD video will be around 1GB every 3 minutes, which is around 13Tb per month. To account for HDD failure, you would need to double that and have it backed up twice, which is 26Tb per month. 

If I were a rich man, I would record a year's worth of 4K video with top-notch night vision equipment...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 09, 2014, 04:01:00 PM
If I were a rich man, I would record a year's worth of 4K video with top-notch night vision equipment...
...or you might not want anything at all recorded.  ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 09, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
There are plenty of good surveillance systems out there. Trust me, your local bank is using the best of the best. The problem is that most small businesses and homeowners are not willing to spend the kind of money needed to capture and store HD video. Ultra HD video will be around 1GB every 3 minutes, which is around 13Tb per month. To account for HDD failure, you would need to double that and have it backed up twice, which is 26Tb per month. 

If I were a rich man, I would record a year's worth of 4K video with top-notch night vision equipment...
Yeah, but what's the point of having the systems if you can't make out what's going on?

Think about it, the cost of enhancing those images is probably way more than the cost of a decent security system.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 09, 2014, 04:10:21 PM
Yeah, but what's the point of having the systems if you can't make out what's going on?

Think about it, the cost of enhancing those images is probably way more than the cost of a decent security system.

Ahh, yes... if only people thought ahead..

I have the same question about life insurance and about seatbelts. Go figure.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 09, 2014, 04:23:51 PM
...or you might not want anything at all recorded.  ;)

lol, not inside my house.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 09, 2014, 04:56:03 PM
Also, did anyone realize that there is a camare right next to the door of his office, which was probably not working?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: moshe_m on January 09, 2014, 04:58:51 PM
A story with a name ! די מעשה גייט צוריק מיט א בערך 13 יאר צוריק

איך בין געווען אין אלעדין באנגעלא קאלעני יארן צוריק אינאיינעם מיט מנחם שטארק ע"ה, מנחם האט יענעם זומער געמאכט א שמחה, ער האט געבעטן ווער עס קען ארויסקומען אין מיטן די וואך צו די וואכט נאכט און צו די ברית וועט דאס עם זיין א כבוד אז די חבירים וועלן זיך משתתף זיין אין זיין שמחה
היות אין יענע צייטן איז מיין פרנסה געווען א חתונה זינגער, אין די זומער וואכען איז מען נישט געווען אזוי ביזי, בין איך אויך געווען איינע פון די וואס האבן זיך משתתף געווען אין די שמחה
מנחם האט מיך מכבד געווען מיט א ניגון, איינס ביים וואכט נאכט און ביים ברית מיט יום ליבשה. איך האב דאס גערן געטין פארוואס נישט מיר האבן זיך אינאיינעם מחי' געווען און אביסל פארברענגט
נאך די ברית ווען איך האב מיך געזעגענט פון עם, ריפט ער מיך צו די זייט און רוקט מיר אריין א טשעק פון עטליכע מאות, איך זאג עם מנחם די ביסט פאריקט? וואס איז דאס? האט ער גענטפערט אזוי, חיים דוד דיין פרנסה איז (דעמולס געווען) די ביסט א זינגער, איך וויל דיר באצאהלן ווייל אויב וועסטי דאס טון אן קיין געלט, וועסטי קיינמאל קיין געלט נישט פרדינען, איך פארשטיי אז די האסט דאס נישט געטון פאר געלט, אבער זאלסט וויסן אז אין פרינציפ דארפסטי וויסן אז ווען די זינגסט מאכסטי געלט, און אויב נישט דאן זוך דיר אן אנדערע פרנסה.

איך האב דאס קיינמאל נישט פארגעסן, און איך וויל אז דאס זאל אייביג געדענקט ווערן

דאס איז געווען מנחם שטארק ע"ה, נישט נאר לעצטענס, נאר יארן צוריק אויך.

די וואס האבן עם נישט געקענט זאלן וויסן אז מקבל זיין לשון הרע אויף אזא נפטר איז נישט נאר די עבירה וואס מען איז עובר כלפי שמאיה, נאר דאס איז א מענטשליכע ברוטאליטעט.

קנאה איז איינע פון די זאכן וואס איז מוציאין את האדם, עס קען מאכן איינעם אויס מענטש,
ניין! מנחם איז נישט געווען קיין שלעכטער לענדלער און אויך נישט קיין שעדי ביזנעסמאן
ווער עס האט דעם איד געקענט פון די נאנט וועט אייך זאגן בפה מלא, מנחם איז געווען א איד א צדיק, א גיטער ביזנעסמאן, און א מענטש מיט ריכטיגע פרינציפען, יהי זכרו ברוך.
ת.נ.צ.ב.ה.
חיים דוד ארי' דעססער
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 09, 2014, 04:59:59 PM
Also, did anyone realize that there is a camare right next to the door of his office, which was probably not working?

Sounds like you inside information ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 09, 2014, 05:02:04 PM
A story with a name ! די מעשה גייט צוריק מיט א בערך 13 יאר צוריק

איך בין געווען אין אלעדין באנגעלא קאלעני יארן צוריק אינאיינעם מיט מנחם שטארק ע"ה, מנחם האט יענעם זומער געמאכט א שמחה, ער האט געבעטן ווער עס קען ארויסקומען אין מיטן די וואך צו די וואכט נאכט און צו די ברית וועט דאס עם זיין א כבוד אז די חבירים וועלן זיך משתתף זיין אין זיין שמחה
היות אין יענע צייטן איז מיין פרנסה געווען א חתונה זינגער, אין די זומער וואכען איז מען נישט געווען אזוי ביזי, בין איך אויך געווען איינע פון די וואס האבן זיך משתתף געווען אין די שמחה
מנחם האט מיך מכבד געווען מיט א ניגון, איינס ביים וואכט נאכט און ביים ברית מיט יום ליבשה. איך האב דאס גערן געטין פארוואס נישט מיר האבן זיך אינאיינעם מחי' געווען און אביסל פארברענגט
נאך די ברית ווען איך האב מיך געזעגענט פון עם, ריפט ער מיך צו די זייט און רוקט מיר אריין א טשעק פון עטליכע מאות, איך זאג עם מנחם די ביסט פאריקט? וואס איז דאס? האט ער גענטפערט אזוי, חיים דוד דיין פרנסה איז (דעמולס געווען) די ביסט א זינגער, איך וויל דיר באצאהלן ווייל אויב וועסטי דאס טון אן קיין געלט, וועסטי קיינמאל קיין געלט נישט פרדינען, איך פארשטיי אז די האסט דאס נישט געטון פאר געלט, אבער זאלסט וויסן אז אין פרינציפ דארפסטי וויסן אז ווען די זינגסט מאכסטי געלט, און אויב נישט דאן זוך דיר אן אנדערע פרנסה.

איך האב דאס קיינמאל נישט פארגעסן, און איך וויל אז דאס זאל אייביג געדענקט ווערן

דאס איז געווען מנחם שטארק ע"ה, נישט נאר לעצטענס, נאר יארן צוריק אויך.

די וואס האבן עם נישט געקענט זאלן וויסן אז מקבל זיין לשון הרע אויף אזא נפטר איז נישט נאר די עבירה וואס מען איז עובר כלפי שמאיה, נאר דאס איז א מענטשליכע ברוטאליטעט.

קנאה איז איינע פון די זאכן וואס איז מוציאין את האדם, עס קען מאכן איינעם אויס מענטש,
ניין! מנחם איז נישט געווען קיין שלעכטער לענדלער און אויך נישט קיין שעדי ביזנעסמאן
ווער עס האט דעם איד געקענט פון די נאנט וועט אייך זאגן בפה מלא, מנחם איז געווען א איד א צדיק, א גיטער ביזנעסמאן, און א מענטש מיט ריכטיגע פרינציפען, יהי זכרו ברוך.
ת.נ.צ.ב.ה.
חיים דוד ארי' דעססער
If you cant spell English: a problem, maybe Yiddish is your first language..
If you cant even spell Yiddish: Where you from? Pakistan?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 09, 2014, 05:03:29 PM
If you cant spell English: a problem, maybe Yiddish is your first language..
If you cant even spell Yiddish: Where you from? Pakistan?
From Poland!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: moshe_m on January 09, 2014, 05:04:47 PM
I just forwarded a message I got
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aygart on January 09, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
If you cant spell English: a problem, maybe Yiddish is your first language..
If you cant even spell Yiddish: Where you from? Pakistan?
maybe English is his first language.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 09, 2014, 05:49:17 PM
Yeah, but what's the point of having the systems if you can't make out what's going on?
the point was quite vital here... to know that he was abducted at all.. imagine if there would be no footage at all here.
And how much would HD of really helped? the guys face was covered and regarding the license place, these guys knew well there are cameras around (very visible outside the office), so I'm sure they had that in consideration too .
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: chff on January 09, 2014, 06:10:01 PM
Also, did anyone realize that there is a camare right next to the door of his office, which was probably not working?

Or the Police station 100 feet away?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 09, 2014, 06:15:56 PM
Or the Police station 100 feet away?
They abducted him right by a police station?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 09, 2014, 06:28:09 PM
They abducted him right by a police station?
The police station is about a 3 minute walk.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 09, 2014, 06:44:30 PM
the point was quite vital here... to know that he was abducted at all.. imagine if there would be no footage at all here.
And how much would HD of really helped? the guys face was covered and regarding the license place, these guys knew well there are cameras around (very visible outside the office), so I'm sure they had that in consideration too .


HD would help a hell of a lot!

 You can gain plenty of info from virtually every aspect about a person: How we walks, what kind of clothing he is wearing, where the clothing were possibly bought (which, if determined, can provide clearer pictures of his face,) etc. etc.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 09, 2014, 06:48:09 PM
They abducted him right by a police station?
YES!

And now its a week and no arrest yet.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on January 09, 2014, 06:51:20 PM
Or the Police station 100 feet away?
The police station is about a 3 minute walk.
Thats an average walking pace of 0.378 mph.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: shmuelb on January 09, 2014, 07:01:41 PM
Maybe in the snow, on ice it takes longer?

Speaking of surveillance cameras, can anyone here recommend a cheap but ok solution? 2 cameras would be ok in this case. Is there a good way to have the video transmitted wirelessly to the DVR?

TIA!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ygold on January 09, 2014, 07:17:34 PM
Who didn't want us dead? (https://www.yated.com//_sub/_yated/uploads/documents/Menachem_Stark_yated.pdf)

True and powerful...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 09, 2014, 07:26:11 PM
Who didn't want us dead? (https://www.yated.com//_sub/_yated/uploads/documents/Menachem_Stark_yated.pdf)
I guess that headline is OK? Does that mean I want all jews dead?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: hocker on January 09, 2014, 07:28:24 PM
My Yiddish isn't great (hey, i'm mizrahi), but is נחמי צבי בן דינה who i think it is? If so, you would consider this a beautiful story?
Convicted killers are entitled to visitors and helping his wife and kids be with their father and husband is a great Zchus regardless if he's innocent or guilty.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 09, 2014, 07:30:28 PM
Convicted killers are entitled to visitors and helping his wife and kids be with their father and husband is a great Zchus regardless if he's innocent or guilty.
Come on! Why are you even bothering quoting him?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 09, 2014, 07:31:33 PM
I guess that headline is OK? Does that mean I want all jews dead?
there are exceptions to every rule.
It is a rule though.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 09, 2014, 07:32:49 PM
there are exceptions to every rule.
It is a rule though.
What rule?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 09, 2014, 07:39:59 PM
What rule?
that the Jews are hated
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
I guess that headline is OK? Does that mean I want all jews dead?
I agree with you, that editorial is way over the top. He should have been much clearer, that in America the Gentiles have been much kinder and tolerant of the Jewish people. I think his point was that there still are many anti semites around.


 60 years ago in Europe (and America), almost no Gentile would ask what you just asked. They'd agree: "of course we hate the Jews".
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 09, 2014, 08:43:12 PM
I agree with you, that editorial is way over the top.
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 08:49:01 PM
He does say
"We thought it was different here.
America is not Russia,
Or Germany,
France or Rome.

It’s not,
But the hatred is here as well.
The quiet murmurs,
Suspicions,
And tricks."


Bit I still think it's way over the top.


Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: zale on January 09, 2014, 08:54:25 PM
Maybe in the snow, on ice it takes longer?

Speaking of surveillance cameras, can anyone here recommend a cheap but ok solution? 2 cameras would be ok in this case. Is there a good way to have the video transmitted wirelessly to the DVR?

TIA!

Wireless is good for a baby monitor, not a surveillance camera.

Wireless automatically means bad quality unless you want to have it custom built, which will end up costing you far more than installing a wired system. In general, nobody uses wireless in the surveillance industry unless you are working for the FBI.

It's not that difficult to drill a hole through the exterior wall of your home and install a camera. If you don't want to do it, a local handy guy would prob do it for around $100.

It also doesn't hurt to get a quote from a pro and to compare prices.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 09, 2014, 08:58:09 PM
He does say
"We thought it was different here.
America is not Russia,
Or Germany,
France or Rome.

It’s not,
But the hatred is here as well.
The quiet murmurs,
Suspicions,
And tricks."


Bit I still think it's way over the top.
I don't understand what there is to gain by shouting from the rooftops that we are hated.
Are we looking for sympathy?
Do we think that we are gonna be loved when we victimize ourselves?

An analogy would be dealing with a bully: its not helpful to call the bully a bully, IME it only aggravates  the bully more...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 09, 2014, 08:59:02 PM
http://www.zingmit.com/medical-examiner-menachem-stark-ah-died-of-asphyxiation/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 09, 2014, 09:09:51 PM
http://www.zingmit.com/medical-examiner-menachem-stark-ah-died-of-asphyxiation/

If you will look back through the old articles, you will see that the police already said it was asphyxiation on motzoei Shabbos. This is not news. So they "confirmed" it. Big deal. You can also run five days of tests to confirm that orange juice comes from oranges.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 09, 2014, 09:32:13 PM
IME it only aggravates  the bully more...
Rough childhood?;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 09, 2014, 09:35:29 PM
Rough childhood?;)
nah, I was the rough one ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 09:45:23 PM
Wireless is good for a baby monitor, not a surveillance camera.

Wireless automatically means bad quality unless you want to have it custom built, which will end up costing you far more than installing a wired system. In general, nobody uses wireless in the surveillance industry unless you are working for the FBI.

It's not that difficult to drill a hole through the exterior wall of your home and install a camera. If you don't want to do it, a local handy guy would prob do it for around $100.

It also doesn't hurt to get a quote from a pro and to compare prices.
The point of his article was to wait for Moshiach, and that we are still in Galus. He was screaming, if he gets quoted in a public forum, he is then put on the rooftops.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 10, 2014, 12:42:38 AM
60 years ago in Europe (and America), almost no Gentile would ask what you just asked. They'd agree: "of course we hate the Jews".
It is really sad you believe this.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:00:16 AM
It is really sad you believe this.
It's true.
Learn your history.
6 million Jews were slain 60 years ago.
While the nations of the world turned an eye.
How can i not believe this?

Most DDFers Great grand parents were killed by anti semites. (citation needed  ;) )

A Hotel a few blocks away from where I lived in NJ, 60 years ago used to have a sign "No Dogs, No Jews".

Things have changed.
Thank G-d.

American attitude was much more anti semetic 60 years ago than it is now.
(Of course it wasn't close to the anti semitism in Europe).

Germans, Poles, Ukranians, Lithuanians, Russians, Hungarians, etc. killed millions of Jews. Just 60 years ago.

Why would you say it's sad that I believe this?

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2014, 01:04:09 AM
It's completely false. To this day polls show rampant anti-Semitism in Europe and very low in the US.

In Germany Jews were segregated and prevented from owning businesses etc until emancipation in the 19th century. Jews were always second class since then. America does not have that history.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 10, 2014, 01:04:35 AM
It's true.
Learn your history.
6 million Jews were slain 60 years ago.
How can i not believe this?
Probably because many ethnic and racial groups have been targeted over the years.

Think of North Korea, they have concentration camps that are still up and running!! And no one has a clue what's going on there.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:08:24 AM
It's completely false. To this day polls show rampant anti-Semitism in Europe and very low in the US.

In Germany Jews were segregated and prevented from owning businesses etc until emancipation in the 19th century. Jews were always second class since then. America does not have that history.
You obviously have not read any books regarding America and anti-semitism.

The whole defense of FDR is based on that he wasn't an anti semite, but being that the public had strong anti semetic feelings, he would lose the public if he spent resources to save the Jews.

Obviously America was much less anti semetic then (Eastern) Europe.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 10, 2014, 01:09:45 AM
You obviously have not read any books regarding America and anti-semitism.

The whole defense of FDR is based on that he wasn't an anti semite, but being that the public had strong anti semetic feelings, he would lose the public if he spent resources to save the Jews.

Obviously America was much less anti semetic then (Eastern) Europe.

I'm talking about 2014 America vs Germany
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:11:28 AM
Probably because many ethnic and racial groups have been targeted over the years.

Think of North Korea, they have concentration camps that are still up and running!! And no one has a clue what's going on there.
what's your point?

My whole point was that it's great that Count Valentine would take it as an offense that the Yated editor accused Americans of anti semitism.
60 years ago many an American would look at being anti Jew and anti Black as an honor.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:12:35 AM
I'm talking about 2014 America vs Germany
You started your comment with the statement that what i said was completely false.

Well I was talking about 60 years ago.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:15:16 AM
It is really sad you believe this.
Just one more point: I put America in parentheses, because I meant that my point was only partially true in America. 
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:19:30 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_antisemitism_in_the_United_States

From Wikipedia:

American attitudes towards Jews[edit]
Antisemitism in the United States was also indicated by national public opinion polls taken from the mid nineteen thirties to the late nineteen forties. The results showed that over half the American population saw Jews as greedy and dishonest. These polls also found that many Americans believed that Jews were too powerful in the United States. Similar polls were also taken, one of which posed that 35-40 percent of the population was prepared to accept an anti-Jewish campaign.
In a 1938 poll, approximately 60 percent of the respondents held a low opinion of Jews, labeling them “greedy,” “dishonest,” and “pushy.”[23] 41 percent of respondents agreed that Jews had "too much power in the United States," and this figure rose to 58 percent by 1945. In 1939 a Roper poll found that only thirty-nine percent of Americans felt that Jews should be treated like other people. Fifty-three percent believed that "Jews are different and should be restricted" and ten percent believed that Jews should be deported.[24] Several surveys taken from 1940 to 1946 found that Jews were seen as a greater threat to the welfare of the United States than any other national, religious, or racial group.[25]
Although only 0.6 percent of the nation's 93,000 commercial bankers in 1939 were Jewish,[citation needed] the idea that Jews controlled the banking system remained a popular myth. Political antisemitism also was high during the war years, with 23 percent of respondents in one 1945 survey saying they would vote for a congressional candidate if the candidate declared "himself as being against the Jews" and as many as 35 percent saying it would not affect their vote. Jews also noted the influence of antisemitism when the U.S. State Department opposed efforts to lower immigration barriers to admit Jews and other refugees fleeing the Holocaust and Nazi-occupied Europe.
Thus, antisemitism was fairly widespread in the U.S, a sentiment which reduced the inclination of Americans to help the Jews in Europe.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 10, 2014, 01:35:31 AM
Who didn't want us dead? (https://www.yated.com//_sub/_yated/uploads/documents/Menachem_Stark_yated.pdf)

True and powerful...
http://www.vosizneias.com/151797/2014/01/09/new-york-oped-understanding-the-yated-editorial-about-anti-semitism/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 10, 2014, 01:46:44 AM
My whole point was that it's great that Count Valentine would take it as an offense that the Yated editor accused Americans of anti semitism.
My point was if the headlines in the NYP article meant that everyone wanted Menachem Shtark dead then the headline in this article meant all Gentiles want all Jews dead. Both of those interpretations are just plain insane and wrong.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 10, 2014, 01:57:37 AM
Yated = NYPost with a yarmulke on top. both are rags i would wipe my a** with
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 10, 2014, 01:59:25 AM
Yated = NYPost with a yarmulke on top. both are rags i would wipe my a** with
Now that explains everything.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:59:32 AM
My point was if the headlines in the NYP article meant that everyone wanted Menachem Shtark dead then the headline in this article meant all Gentiles want all Jews dead. Both of those interpretations are just plain insane and wrong.
I agree with you. That article was way over the top. WAY over the top.

What were you referring to, when you said it was sad that I believed? ???


 
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 02:00:27 AM
Yated = NYPost with a yarmulke on top. both are rags i would wipe my a** with
lol
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 10, 2014, 02:07:00 AM
What were you referring to, when you said it was sad that I believed? ???
You basically said 60 years ago everyone HATED Jews.  :(
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 02:11:15 AM
You basically said 60 years ago everyone HATED Jews.  :(
That was not my intention. What I was trying to say was that 60 years ago, that editorial would have been justified. Because in Europe and on a smaller scale (but still a shockingly large scale) in America, anti semitism was rampant.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 10, 2014, 02:25:06 AM
That was not my intention. What I was trying to say was that 60 years ago, that editorial would have been justified. Because in Europe and on a smaller scale (but still a shockingly large scale) in America, anti semitism was rampant.
Fair enough but let’s not confuse anti semitism with wanting someone dead. Maybe my views are just off the wall as usual.  :)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on January 10, 2014, 03:04:22 AM
Maybe my views are just off the wall as usual.  :)
your views are fine.

 some jews have siege mentality
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: shmuelb on January 10, 2014, 04:33:35 AM
Wireless is good for a baby monitor, not a surveillance camera.

Wireless automatically means bad quality unless you want to have it custom built, which will end up costing you far more than installing a wired system. In general, nobody uses wireless in the surveillance industry unless you are working for the FBI.

It's not that difficult to drill a hole through the exterior wall of your home and install a camera. If you don't want to do it, a local handy guy would prob do it for around $100.

It also doesn't hurt to get a quote from a pro and to compare prices.

Thanks! I do not work for the FBI. I do not want someone to see the camera and rip it off, damage it, or somehow reach the DVR and do something to it. I had an idea, to make a decoy camera, broken/fake and accessible, and have it covered by other hidden cameras. This way you have a warning, and if they mess with it, they will see it is fake and get busted without them knowing that there is also a real camera.

What companies make good equipment? My wife reminded me, we have an uncle who works in the industry, I will try to get feedback from him too.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 10, 2014, 09:44:07 AM
what's your point?

My whole point was that it's great that Count Valentine would take it as an offense that the Yated editor accused Americans of anti semitism.
60 years ago many an American would look at being anti Jew and anti Black as an honor.

Sorry to bring light to a serious conversation, but I find it hilarious when having a serious conversation we have to quote some people as count valentine. Kind of makes it hard to take anyone seriously. :)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 10, 2014, 11:34:20 AM
Yated = NYPost with a yarmulke on top. both are rags i would wipe my a** with
ROFLMAO! Quote of the month!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 10, 2014, 12:34:50 PM
Sorry to bring light to a serious conversation, but I find it hilarious when having a serious conversation we have to quote some people as count valentine. Kind of makes it hard to take anyone seriously. :)
Respect for senior DDFers or I will show you the door from the other side.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aygart on January 10, 2014, 12:45:08 PM
One thing about the headlines only (didn't, and probably won't read the whole articles) is that the NYP's "didn't" in past tense still refers to the didn't story, while in an article about general anti-Semitism the pay tense would mean historical anti-Semitism while current sentiments would be present tense. Also, the headline is an obvious play on the NYP headline and should be taken as such.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 10, 2014, 01:06:57 PM
 
Sorry to bring light to a serious conversation, but I find it hilarious when having a serious conversation we have to quote some people as count valentine. Kind of makes it hard to take anyone seriously. :)
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aygart on January 10, 2014, 01:17:35 PM
  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I hope he's complaining about screen names in general
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamKey on January 10, 2014, 02:15:52 PM
I hope he's complaining about screen names in general
Still
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aygart on January 10, 2014, 02:17:42 PM
Still
agreed, but maybe fewer:o.   ;D
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 10, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
Respect for senior DDFers or I will show you the door from the other side.
Cmon take it in good stride. It wasn't meant to be an insult....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 11, 2014, 11:31:43 AM
Cmon take it in good stride. It wasn't meant to be an insult....
If you want people to laugh you gotta say something funny.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: shmuelb on January 11, 2014, 03:24:48 PM
I think it is understandable, step back and look, hey someone is count valentine? Obviously a screen name is not necessarily a real name so it can be funny by anyone. Here it sounds strange, this poster is a Count, and even stranger, like "Prince Jessica", if you do not know history or pronounce it Valentin.

No offense meant. We love the count!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 11, 2014, 09:58:44 PM
I think it is understandable, step back and look, hey someone is count valentine? Obviously a screen name is not necessarily a real name so it can be funny by anyone. Here it sounds strange, this poster is a Count, and even stranger, like "Prince Jessica", if you do not know history or pronounce it Valentin.

No offense meant. We love the count!
Thank you...

And I formally apologize to count valentine and/or anyone else that may have taken offense.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 11, 2014, 10:02:44 PM
And I formally apologize to count valentine and/or anyone else that may have taken offense.
I took no offense and no need to apologize to me.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 11, 2014, 10:07:58 PM
Tune in 570 am now for interview with de blasio
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DovtheBear on January 11, 2014, 10:07:59 PM
Thank you...

And I formally apologize to count valentine and/or anyone else that may have taken offense.

I took no offense and no need to apologize to me.
Everyone else, then. :P
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 11, 2014, 10:08:34 PM
Use tunein radio app
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: popcorn1508 on January 11, 2014, 10:12:53 PM
or  http://www.wmca.com (http://www.wmca.com)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: popcorn1508 on January 11, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
the interview is over
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 11, 2014, 10:16:29 PM
the interview is over
So what did he say?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 11, 2014, 10:17:13 PM
Very short interview but he was very against post headline and relayed his greatest sympathy to family
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 11, 2014, 10:52:28 PM
Sources said among the leads the investigators are running down is a car rental company with offices in Borough Park and Park Slope that’s popular in the Hasidic community and has vehicles with Ohio plates.

From daily news (and probably others as well)

What are they getting at
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: raphy781 on January 11, 2014, 10:58:24 PM
Sources said among the leads the investigators are running down is a car rental company with offices in Borough Park and Park Slope that’s popular in the Hasidic community and has vehicles with Ohio plates.

From daily news (and probably others as well)

What are they getting at
That can looked pretty old for a rental. Also doesn't every rental car company have many out of state plates including Ohio?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Palm5 on January 11, 2014, 11:01:24 PM
FYI

I don't know when that google image was taken with stark allegedly sitting in the car.....
I say allegedly because stark had an LX model Lexus, the one in the picture is a GX.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 11, 2014, 11:34:34 PM
FYI

I don't know when that google image was taken with stark allegedly sitting in the car.....
I say allegedly because stark had an LX model Lexus, the one in the picture is a GX.
It's already been said that that pic was not him.

It was a hatzolah member http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg685620#msg685620
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Palm5 on January 11, 2014, 11:46:53 PM
It's already been said that that pic was not him.

It was a hatzolah member http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36874.msg685620#msg685620


I know it's been said. But now it's been resaid that it was him.
http://tinyurl.com/kmvsvuz
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 12, 2014, 12:03:24 AM
Should I only go over all the rumors what I heard this past Shabbos about this story, I will have to type until tomorrow morning.

I'll share one, they have DNA from one of the guys, he was urinating next to the gas station.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on January 12, 2014, 12:25:57 AM
I'll share one, they have DNA from one of the guys, he was urinating next to the gas station.
Thats a good one.  :)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 12, 2014, 12:52:17 AM
Tracking device which was attached to his car. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/ny3a2uba.jpg)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 12, 2014, 12:56:00 AM
Tracking device which was attached to his car. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/ny3a2uba.jpg)
More like:
A GPS tracker found under the car of a California resident in 2011. It was slipped into a fabric sleeve, containing magnets, and placed on the underside of the vehicle in the wheel well of the spare tire.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/warrantless-gps-tracking/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: notanonymous on January 12, 2014, 12:59:40 AM
I think it is understandable, step back and look, hey someone is count valentine? Obviously a screen name is not necessarily a real name so it can be funny by anyone. Here it sounds strange, this poster is a Count, and even stranger, like "Prince Jessica", if you do not know history or pronounce it Valentin.

No offense meant. We love the count!
Wait, that's not your real name?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=8684.100
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 12, 2014, 01:00:29 AM
More like:
A GPS tracker found under the car of a California resident in 2011. It was slipped into a fabric sleeve, containing magnets, and placed on the underside of the vehicle in the wheel well of the spare tire.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/warrantless-gps-tracking/
Ctrl Z
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 12, 2014, 01:00:34 AM
More like:
A GPS tracker found under the car of a California resident in 2011. It was slipped into a fabric sleeve, containing magnets, and placed on the underside of the vehicle in the wheel well of the spare tire.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/warrantless-gps-tracking/
Nice find
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Crazy tools on January 12, 2014, 01:03:34 AM
http://www.vosizneias.com/152006/2014/01/12/new-york-wabc-police-find-new-clue-in-starks-murder-case/

Notice how the photo caption says it's stark in the vehicle...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 12, 2014, 01:28:18 AM
Nice find
Chrome makes it real easy to do an image search. Right click on image and click on search google for this image.

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 12, 2014, 01:31:18 AM
Tracking device which was attached to his car. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/ny3a2uba.jpg)
I would loveto get on your Whatsapp group.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: aryeh1 on January 12, 2014, 01:38:23 AM
Tracking device which was attached to his car. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/12/ny3a2uba.jpg)
How would they (the police) know to look under the car?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 12, 2014, 08:42:16 AM
That's not a question.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: FlyFirst on January 12, 2014, 05:02:56 PM
How would they (the police) know to look under the car?
I'm just wondering witch part of NY there's such nice trees now in this time of the year, its probably a c/p work
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 12, 2014, 05:37:16 PM
So what kind of people are these guys who like making up stories out of this air? ???
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 12, 2014, 07:51:03 PM
So what kind of people are these guys who like making up stories out of this air? ???

They're called 15 year-olds.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dan on January 12, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
http://forward.com/articles/190591/menachem-stark-just-another-hasid/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 12, 2014, 10:15:38 PM
IMG_9875.png
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 12, 2014, 10:17:02 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/13/ny4ezyvy.jpg)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: danrocks613 on January 12, 2014, 10:17:31 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/13/suqyne7a.jpg)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 12, 2014, 10:43:20 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/01/13/suqyne7a.jpg)
:-X
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: farfallen on January 12, 2014, 10:54:24 PM
Interesting that they say he passed away on Friday..... Hy"d
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 12, 2014, 10:56:48 PM
What's so interesting about it?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 12, 2014, 10:57:45 PM
Interesting that they say he passed away on Friday..... Hy"d

That was determined long ago.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: farfallen on January 12, 2014, 11:04:04 PM
What's so interesting about it?

My bad I thought his body was found on shabbos.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 13, 2014, 06:53:53 PM
Found this on drudge
http://nypost.com/2014/01/13/slain-slumlord-helped-sink-bank-with-8m-in-unpaid-loans/ (http://nypost.com/2014/01/13/slain-slumlord-helped-sink-bank-with-8m-in-unpaid-loans/)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Sammy82 on January 13, 2014, 07:53:29 PM
Found this on drudge
http://nypost.com/2014/01/13/slain-slumlord-helped-sink-bank-with-8m-in-unpaid-loans/ (http://nypost.com/2014/01/13/slain-slumlord-helped-sink-bank-with-8m-in-unpaid-loans/)
Personally I don't believe much what the NYPost writes anymore, especially when it comes to orthodox Jews.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 13, 2014, 07:56:24 PM
That only makes it better.
Helping Mark Kirk get elected to the Senate.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 14, 2014, 12:21:59 AM
How come post rating on GP is still 1.6?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 14, 2014, 12:22:45 AM
Why not?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 14, 2014, 12:26:21 AM
Why not?

Because last week they had 800 bad ratings/1 star and today over 3,000 so it should've had a bigger impact.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: kracked dude on January 14, 2014, 12:29:52 AM
It's down from 2.5
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: avrumy on January 14, 2014, 10:30:17 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/152260/2014/01/15/brooklyn-ny-bonei-olam-genetic-research-fund-to-be-established-in-memory-of-menachem-stark/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 15, 2014, 11:55:32 AM
http://bhol.co.il/Article.aspx?id=63688
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 15, 2014, 12:46:51 PM
http://bhol.co.il/Article.aspx?id=63688


Article

http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/bank-records-of-slain-brooklyn-businessman-sought-1.6799726
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 15, 2014, 12:49:48 PM
Read the comments and you'll realize how many anti-semites there are in America. They make fake smiles at you on the street.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Aaaron on January 15, 2014, 01:28:41 PM
Read the comments and you'll realize how many anti-semites there are in America. They make fake smiles at you on the street.

I don't think making fun of his streimel makes someone an anti-Semite...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 15, 2014, 02:00:14 PM
I don't think making fun of his streimel makes someone an anti-Semite...

Then you didn't read the other comments.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on January 15, 2014, 02:07:28 PM
There are reports out there that the Dodge minivan was found.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 15, 2014, 02:09:05 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/dodge-caravan-menachem-stark-slaying-found-article-1.1580680?utm_content=buffere3656&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#ixzz2qUjAuOtR
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 15, 2014, 02:24:05 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/dodge-caravan-menachem-stark-slaying-found-article-1.1580680?utm_content=buffere3656&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer#ixzz2qUjAuOtR
was wiped clean - shocked that they didn't burn it
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 15, 2014, 02:26:03 PM
probably a rental
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 15, 2014, 02:34:36 PM
They said in the article someone tried running away with it as the cops came
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Jkhein on January 15, 2014, 02:37:25 PM
They said in the article someone tried running away with it as the cops came
they did not, they said they stopped it while someone was trying to get away, can also mean from a parking spot.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 15, 2014, 02:39:19 PM
I just don't get why they haven't hid the van in some garage somewhere ???
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 15, 2014, 02:43:22 PM
It seems from the Daily News article that they're closing in on a suspect. Some mysterious "Businessman".
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 15, 2014, 02:50:16 PM
Sounds like he was murdered by mistake......
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 15, 2014, 02:52:48 PM
Sounds like he was murdered by mistake......
Sounds like it may very well not be the evil Russian mob...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: FlyFirst on January 15, 2014, 04:13:05 PM
Calling Stark a Slumlord and The killer a businessman #media
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ches on January 15, 2014, 04:32:53 PM
Sounds like he was murdered by mistake......
So why did they follow him for weeks?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 15, 2014, 04:56:27 PM
Calling Stark a Slumlord and The killer a businessman #media
Quote of the week!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ergel on January 15, 2014, 06:01:11 PM
Quote of the week!
+1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on January 15, 2014, 06:29:47 PM
C/p
Breaking. 1 in custody. Press conf soon.
Guys. There will be breaking news soon in Starks case
Heard he turned him self in
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on January 15, 2014, 06:30:39 PM
But....
 @KolHaolam: WILLIAMSBURG: Rumors about an arrest in the Stark murder case are yet to have been confirmed by any official involved in the investigation.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on January 15, 2014, 07:59:45 PM
C/p
Breaking. 1 in custody. Press conf soon.
Guys. There will be breaking news soon in Starks case
Heard he turned him self in
Is C/p the source? Who's that?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Chuck2 on January 15, 2014, 08:14:30 PM
Who Withdrew $1 Million from Murdered Businessman's Account?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/176339#.UtcxPfRDspk
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 15, 2014, 08:16:27 PM
If the cell phone was not used for tracking, why on earth was it under his car?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 15, 2014, 08:18:41 PM
Who says it was not used for tracking?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 15, 2014, 09:06:25 PM
Who Withdrew $1 Million from Murdered Businessman's Account?
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/176339#.UtcxPfRDspk
crzy - Would think that they'd freeze an account like that after a murder.
how can one have access? Was it a joint account?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on January 15, 2014, 09:07:35 PM
crzy - Would think that they'd freeze an account like that after a murder.
how can one have access? Was it a joint account?

Maybe it was family.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 15, 2014, 09:26:00 PM
Who says it was not used for tracking?
The articles, daily news etc
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 15, 2014, 10:08:45 PM
Maybe it was family.
i don't think they'd have access to withdraw $1 million+,
and they went straight to levaya and shiva.. very suspicious..
also nuts that the article still has $25,000 reward -- for a high profile murder!?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on January 15, 2014, 10:12:11 PM
 From a News Story:
Police have stated their belief that the phone was not being used as a tracking device, but that they are also searching for its owner and its connection to the case.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Saver2000 on January 15, 2014, 10:14:47 PM
i don't think they'd have access to withdraw $1 million+,
and they went straight to levaya and shiva.. very suspicious..
also nuts that the article still has $25,000 reward -- for a high profile murder!?
It's at $75k
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 15, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
Of course the family/partner withdrew the cash. Why would they want it tied up in an estate with a long line of angry creditors. Stupid but not suspicious IMHO.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: BigDanFan on January 15, 2014, 10:30:17 PM
Of course the family/partner withdrew the cash. Why would they want it tied up in an estate with a long line of angry creditors. Stupid but not suspicious IMHO.
+1  ok
it's suspicious if it's done the day or two after the death - would be a huge shock, so a withdrawal is the first thing they think of!? ok - maybe,
but what's with the $25,000 reward? At least use some of the million $ to get the killers.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 15, 2014, 10:38:17 PM
The family only needed to offer a token reward to increase media coverage and to pressure law enforcement.

Last I checked hitmen charge way more than 25k. It wasn't a serious attempt to find leads.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoshi on January 16, 2014, 01:17:24 AM
Bit random...can someone please clarify is it stark or shtark? (And yes this is a serious question)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 16, 2014, 01:26:00 AM
Bit random...can someone please clarify is it stark or shtark? (And yes this is a serious question)
Are you serious that it's serious?

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Mocha on January 16, 2014, 01:28:16 AM
Bit random...can someone please clarify is it stark or shtark? (And yes this is a serious question)
He isn't related to Tony Stark if that's what your asking.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Bostener on January 16, 2014, 01:34:49 AM
Bit random...can someone please clarify is it stark or shtark? (And yes this is a serious question)
Both
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on January 16, 2014, 01:41:46 AM
He isn't related to Tony Stark if that's what your asking.

Ironman or GFK?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ches on January 16, 2014, 10:00:16 AM
Bit random...can someone please clarify is it stark or shtark? (And yes this is a serious question)
Shtark
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 16, 2014, 12:31:08 PM
I just spoke with Menachem Stark's brother, he told me detectives told family there will be an announcement about a suspect within the next 24-48 hours and that even though the car they found yesterday was washed clean, they found his checks in the glove compartment.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ergel on January 16, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
I just spoke with Menachem Stark's brother, he told me detectives told family there will be an announcement about a suspect within the next 24-48 hours and that even though the car every found yesterday was washed clean, they found his checks in the glove compartment.
Sloppy. Remember to clean your prints but not take your name out.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Side incomer on January 16, 2014, 12:36:02 PM
I just spoke with Menachem Stark's brother, he told me detectives told family there will be an announcement about a suspect within the next 24-48 hours and that even though the car they found yesterday was washed clean, they found his checks in the glove compartment.
These chevra were so well organized.
They managed to put a false phone under the car, to make them 'think' they got it.
Now they 'left' some checks, so they can have a suspect.

Why wouldn't they think this was done to mislead the cops and investigators?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 16, 2014, 12:38:47 PM
If this is true its a real miracle, washing the car all the way and forget check???
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Nitantnel on January 16, 2014, 12:39:25 PM
These chevra were so well organized.
They managed to put a false phone under the car, to make them 'think' they got it.
Now they 'left' some checks, so they can have a suspect.

Why wouldn't they think this was done to mislead the cops and investigators?

Wow, is that really what happen?

If this is indeed the case, I find it hard to believe that they did all this just to "scare him." 

ETA: Why would they not get rid of the car, or at the very least, hide it in some garage?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 16, 2014, 12:40:40 PM
To clarify, the checks were from Menachem, not the the abductors.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on January 16, 2014, 02:26:24 PM
To clarify, the checks were from Menachem, not the the abductors.
So how did that help them pinpoint the suspect? Or did it just help them ascertain that it was the car? They needed proof for that?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Emkay on January 16, 2014, 02:36:58 PM


Last I checked hitmen charge way more than 25k. It wasn't a serious attempt to find leads.
When was the last time you checked? I can get you a good price:D:P
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 16, 2014, 02:38:34 PM
When was the last time you checked? I can get you a good price:D:P
I have a whole list of guys from the ring thread...Il be in touch
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on January 16, 2014, 02:39:02 PM
When was the last time you checked? I can get you a good price:D:P
Wow. Didn't know DDF was such a hive of underworld activity! The up and coming Silk Road...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: meshugener on January 16, 2014, 04:16:27 PM
So how did that help them pinpoint the suspect? Or did it just help them ascertain that it was the car? They needed proof for that?
I don't know.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 16, 2014, 11:53:35 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/152479/2014/01/17/brooklyn-ny-ny-daily-news-menachem-stark-killed-over-single-20000-debt/

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/landlord-killed-20g-cops-article-1.1582564
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ches on January 16, 2014, 11:57:49 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/landlord-killed-20g-cops-article-1.1582564 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/landlord-killed-20g-cops-article-1.1582564)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on January 16, 2014, 11:58:29 PM
http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/landlord-killed-20g-cops-article-1.1582564 (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/landlord-killed-20g-cops-article-1.1582564)
I won by 1 second!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ches on January 17, 2014, 12:05:12 AM
I am conceding.
Stay tuned for my concession speech...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Dan on January 17, 2014, 12:09:07 AM
Meh. Probably a setup.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: AI-TRAVEL on January 17, 2014, 01:47:26 AM
Meh. Probably a setup.
for sure! 20k are you kidding! He could made that off credit cards in one year.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Deal Guy on January 20, 2014, 09:24:07 AM
What happened to any announcements? Extended weekend break?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on January 20, 2014, 10:00:50 AM
What happened to any announcements? Extended weekend break?

They know nothing. When they are in the dark, you hear spins about every fantasy.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on January 20, 2014, 03:51:17 PM
They know nothing. When they are in the dark, you hear spins about every fantasy.
So the Daily News theory is confirmed false?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on January 24, 2014, 02:40:12 PM
Still no updates?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: farfallen on January 28, 2014, 05:13:21 PM
After all the hype what became of all the leads and tips?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on January 28, 2014, 09:14:22 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/153583/2014/01/28/new-york-report-starks-dna-found-in-minivan/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ShmuliT on February 03, 2014, 09:49:51 AM
Nu, whats going on?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on February 03, 2014, 09:59:19 AM
Nu, whats going on?

It's legal to murder in NYC, just don't forget to move your car for alternate side of the street parking.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yoruel on February 10, 2014, 08:19:17 PM
Still no updates?
http://www.newsday.com/news/new-york/bratton-progress-made-in-finding-brooklyn-man-s-killer-1.7020290
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on March 13, 2014, 11:24:25 AM
Pretty crazy.
Bobov 48 held a raffle late last night (they were collecting for many months) for their Keren Chasanim and Stark won the $18,000....
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: judahk88 on March 13, 2014, 11:27:54 AM
was mentioned here http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39469.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39469.0)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Saver2000 on March 13, 2014, 11:28:08 AM
Pretty crazy.
Bobov 48 held a raffle late last night (they were collecting for many months) for their Keren Chasanim and Stark won the $18,000....
Repost. 

That other thread  should be merged here. 
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on March 13, 2014, 03:02:15 PM
Talking about Stark, are the police still investigating or is it just another cold case?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: SamDaMan on March 30, 2014, 08:43:36 AM
The contractor has a connection to the minivan and to a mysterious cellphone found strapped underneath Stark’s car, apparently used by the abductors as a tracking device, sources said.
Investigators also have been able to track the cellphone of one of the suspects in the area where the body was dumped, a law-enforcement source told The Post.
Complicating the case has been what sources described as Stark’s long list of possible enemies, ranging from jilted business associates to tenants.
Stark’s autopsy revealed he died of compression asphyxiation — which likely happened when his kidnappers sat on him during the brutal attack. Sources believe his kidnappers probably did not ­intend to kill him.
Detectives are telling the family that an arrest is imminent — before Passover on April 14, or immediately after the eight-day holiday, a source said.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DP7 on March 30, 2014, 09:32:59 AM

Detectives are telling the family that an arrest is imminent — before Passover on April 14, or immediately after the eight-day holiday, a source said.

Not allowed to arrest on Passover?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: california on March 30, 2014, 10:20:51 AM
Finally covers the good side
 http://t.co/CbFCi8QdhD
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on March 30, 2014, 02:03:44 PM
Not allowed to arrest on Passover?
It could be they want the kind of PR the family could give them, like press conferences and the like, and the family won't do that on Pesach.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Crazy tools on March 30, 2014, 02:09:34 PM
Not allowed to arrest on Passover?
I have a feeling it's a jew.
They wouldn't want to make the arrest on his holiday... kind of like arresting a guy on Christmas. They'll avoid it if they can.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on March 30, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
I have a feeling it's a jew.
They wouldn't want to make the arrest on his holiday... kind of like arresting a guy on Christmas. They'll avoid it if they can.
I would hope that if they have enough evidence for an arrest in a murder case they don't push it off for Christmas, Passover or a press conference.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sillypainter on March 30, 2014, 02:13:55 PM
I have a feeling it's a jew.
They wouldn't want to make the arrest on his holiday... kind of like arresting a guy on Christmas. They'll avoid it if they can.

Had same feeling.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 30, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
Can they be sure enough the guy won't disappear over chol hamoed?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 30, 2014, 02:16:37 PM
If it would be me, i'd get the --- out'a Dodge before passover. Thats just me though...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 30, 2014, 02:22:53 PM
I would hope that if they have enough evidence for an arrest in a murder case they don't push it off for Christmas, Passover or a press conference.
+1

First they arrest, then a judge can decide to release on bail. 

Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on March 30, 2014, 02:26:27 PM
Can they be sure enough the guy won't disappear over chol hamoed?
I'm sure all these suspects are being monitored 24/7.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: HP58 on March 31, 2014, 05:00:25 PM
I have a feeling it's a jew.
That would be absolutely horrible.
I hope not.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: efflpetzel on March 31, 2014, 05:25:44 PM
this whole thing doesn't make sense, why would the cops leak info like this
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 31, 2014, 05:26:52 PM
this whole thing doesn't make sense, why would the cops leak info like this
Maybe to watch who runs?
אויפן גנב ברענט דאס היטל...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on April 20, 2014, 06:45:20 PM
So are the arrests today in Chicago confirmed related to this case?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: CountValentine on April 20, 2014, 06:47:31 PM
So are the arrests today in Chicago confirmed related to this case?
Link?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on April 20, 2014, 06:51:42 PM
Just googled. Nothing. Think just a bit of made up? Or wrong information getting retweeted by too many people.
Just been getting em all day by various people thought maybe there might be something to it.

Carry on.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on April 20, 2014, 07:07:02 PM
People are gullible and bored.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 20, 2014, 07:10:51 PM
Check out Yankie Schwartz (@YankieSchwartz): https://twitter.com/YankieSchwartz
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on April 20, 2014, 07:12:01 PM
Who is this guy? He start all this nonsense?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 20, 2014, 07:19:45 PM
Who is this guy? He start all this nonsense?
No idea. You mentioned Twitter... I started searching...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ephraimh on April 30, 2014, 08:29:16 AM
A Stark family member just told me 5 people were arrested this night linked to the case... No news out there about it, Will wait and see...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on April 30, 2014, 09:32:33 AM
New York Post

April 30, 2014 | 8:47am

THREE RUSSIAN MURDERERS NABBED FOR KILLING OF MENACHEM STARK

By Guliermo Santani

Three thugs were busted by the NYPD Special Crimes division for the abduction and killing of Menachem "Max" Stark, the Brooklyn slumlord who was found mutilated and burned on January 3rd.

The three who are in the country on expired visas are Anatoly & Boris Nemtsov from Brighton Beach Brooklyn and Valery Petukhov from Greenpoint Brooklyn.
Police commissioner Ray Kelly scheduled a press conference for 11am this morning.


Via what's app
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yitzf on April 30, 2014, 09:37:04 AM
C'mon, so they got the thugs who executed the murder, but how about the guy(s) behind it.

I doubt they were acting on their own...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on April 30, 2014, 09:38:49 AM
Don't know which NY Post this is..
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sky121 on April 30, 2014, 09:39:47 AM
C'mon, so they got the thugs who executed the murder, but how about the guy(s) behind it.

I doubt they were acting on their own...

Well now that they can talk to these guys...
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: MarkS on April 30, 2014, 09:40:39 AM
Don't know which NY Post this is..
The whats app edition ;)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on April 30, 2014, 09:40:43 AM
New York Post

April 30, 2014 | 8:47am

THREE RUSSIAN MURDERERS NABBED FOR KILLING OF MENACHEM STARK

By Guliermo Santani

Three thugs were busted by the NYPD Special Crimes division for the abduction and killing of Menachem "Max" Stark, the Brooklyn slumlord who was found mutilated and burned on January 3rd.

The three who are in the country on expired visas are Anatoly & Boris Nemtsov from Brighton Beach Brooklyn and Valery Petukhov from Greenpoint Brooklyn.
Police commissioner Ray Kelly scheduled a press conference for 11am this morning.


Via what's app

This is baloney, just like Ray Kelly is still police commissioner...

Though, we're expecting serious news on the case later today according to family members.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on April 30, 2014, 09:43:14 AM
Yeah.. That's why I wrote that I don't know which NY Post this is..
 
I remember once, Meshy spoke to a family member that told him that it will be a arrestn but we didn't hear anything... I hope this is more accurate info.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on April 30, 2014, 09:49:35 AM
Though, we're expecting serious news on the case later today according to family members.
One of my brothers who's a close family member to the Starks told me that Mrs Stark got already a few time a phone call from the investigators that within 24/48 hours there will be some big news, that 24/48 hours came and went and there were no news,
So even when "they" say that there will be some news it doesn't mean much either..
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ephraimh on April 30, 2014, 09:59:16 AM
This time around they 'already' made an arrest -- if Stark's father in law doesn't lie..
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on April 30, 2014, 10:01:13 AM
This time around they 'already' made an arrest -- if Stark's father in law doesn't lie..
You spoke to Mr bernat?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on April 30, 2014, 10:03:49 AM
Even Mr bernat says so, it does not mean he was well informed. Let's wait and see..
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on April 30, 2014, 10:15:49 AM
Just confirmed, there's some news in the case, don't know any details though.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on April 30, 2014, 10:22:50 AM
Confirmed (by our police reporters): at least one person is at the precinct in connection with the Stark murder. No charges yet. -NYDN
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: DMYD on April 30, 2014, 10:27:12 AM
Will have to wait and see!
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Ephraimh on April 30, 2014, 10:36:27 AM
11:30 press briefing, as per that same old father in law..
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Something Fishy on April 30, 2014, 10:37:00 AM
http://jpupdates.com/2014/04/30/breaking-news-arrests-made-connection-brutal-murder-menachem-stark/
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ari2955 on April 30, 2014, 11:59:34 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/1.1774032#bmb=1
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Centro on April 30, 2014, 08:40:20 PM
BREAKING: Main Suspect In Stark Murder Identified as male, black Kendel Felix (26) of 921 Montgomery St. in Brooklyn http://jpupdates.com/2014/04/30/breaking-news-arrests-made-connection-brutal-murder-menachem-stark/ (http://jpupdates.com/2014/04/30/breaking-news-arrests-made-connection-brutal-murder-menachem-stark/)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: TimT on April 30, 2014, 08:52:23 PM
BREAKING: Main Suspect In Stark Murder Identified as male, black Kendel Felix (26) of 921 Montgomery St. in Brooklyn http://jpupdates.com/2014/04/30/breaking-news-arrests-made-connection-brutal-murder-menachem-stark/ (http://jpupdates.com/2014/04/30/breaking-news-arrests-made-connection-brutal-murder-menachem-stark/)
The main suspect is facing second degree murder charges ?? What's wrong with first degree ?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: dovy2 on April 30, 2014, 08:53:43 PM
is this Kendel Felix guy jewish? lives in crown heights (if that means anything)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Moshe123 on April 30, 2014, 09:00:56 PM
Black
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Baruch on April 30, 2014, 09:05:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/user/32412kg
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Aaaron on April 30, 2014, 09:25:33 PM
The main suspect is facing second degree murder charges ?? What's wrong with first degree ?

Not premeditated so they don't want to push their luck?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Freddie on April 30, 2014, 09:27:45 PM
Not premeditated so they don't want to push their luck?

The police said months ago that they determined the suffocation was an accident.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Deal Guy on April 30, 2014, 10:00:15 PM
The police said months ago that they determined the suffocation was an accident.
Even if it was intentional, after watching all the news, they know they can say it was intentional and get away with it.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: yudamaan on May 01, 2014, 03:03:50 PM
 http://t.co/fE8vR2UaoI
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: good sam on May 01, 2014, 03:52:21 PM
Jewish atty I presume  ::)
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sillypainter on September 26, 2016, 07:59:12 PM
BH. This Kendal Felix who was involved in the murder of Menachem Stark was convicted today for murder. Hope his conspirators will soon be brought to justice as well.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on September 26, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
What are the plans to bring the others to justice with no evidence?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sillypainter on September 26, 2016, 08:34:14 PM
What are the plans to bring the others to justice with no evidence?

They have a lot of circumstantial evidence.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: sillypainter on October 21, 2016, 11:20:13 AM
Finally BH, another 2 accomplices were arrested yesterday.

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general-news/476857/breaking-photos-the-two-suspects-arrested-in-murder-of-menachem-stark-being-walked-out-of-90-precinct.html
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on October 21, 2016, 11:31:49 AM
I guess this Kendal Felix is ready to bring evidence against them in order for a plea?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: hvaces42 on October 21, 2016, 11:57:28 AM
I guess this Kendal Felix is ready to bring evidence against them in order for a plea?
No more "plea" after he was found guilty. Maybe he will seek leniency on sentencing, but something tells me they knew about these guys all along.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on October 21, 2016, 12:16:39 PM
Of course they knew about them all along. It was no secret. And that's what I meant, a lenient sentence.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: TimT on December 21, 2016, 10:55:55 AM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general-news/500678/breaking-another-suspect-in-murder-of-menachem-stark-zl-just-arrested.html
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on March 28, 2019, 09:33:46 PM
BH. This Kendal Felix who was involved in the murder of Menachem Stark was convicted today for murder. Hope his conspirators will soon be brought to justice as well.
Was this guy ever sentenced?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Joel on March 28, 2019, 10:04:38 PM
Was this guy ever sentenced?
Yes. Its actually happening in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: ilherman on March 29, 2019, 12:00:57 AM
Yes. Its actually happening in the coming weeks.
I thought he was supposed to be sentenced in the beginning of 2017? Why was it pushed off?
Title: Re: B"DE Menachem Shtark
Post by: Toasted on June 06, 2019, 02:24:47 PM
Was this guy ever sentenced?
https://hamodia.com/2019/06/06/erskin-felix-sentenced-24-years-life-murder-kidnapping-menachem-stark/