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Title: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 09, 2014, 12:38:55 PM
Personally I think those Shabbos tissues in shul Johns ;D
@MB already mentioned that he went off thanx to Shnayim Mikra ::)
What do you think?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hocker on January 09, 2014, 12:45:20 PM
@SamKey the reason you went off is that you read Frum Satire ;) :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: A3 on January 09, 2014, 12:47:20 PM
My nephew has a whole list as well, I forget most of them now.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 09, 2014, 12:51:37 PM
@SamKey the reason you went off is that you read Frum Satire ;) :P
Not sure what you're referring to as I have only looked at that site once in my life but I think you mean their slogan "One man's apikores is another man's Talmud Chacham"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: smee123 on January 09, 2014, 02:07:05 PM
We all have tests fit for us, the question is if we want to do whats right.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: HP58 on January 09, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
We all have tests fit for us, the question is if we want to do whats right.
You may have missed the emoticon on the side of the topic, as it indicates that it's in jest, not meant to be an in-depth communal soul-searching exercise.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ushdadude on January 09, 2014, 02:42:11 PM
You may have missed the emoticon on the side of the topic, as it indicates that it's in jest, not meant to be an in-depth communal soul-searching exercise.

that's not how things work on DDF :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Salty on January 09, 2014, 03:36:17 PM
@SamKey the reason you went off is that you read Frum Satire ;) :P
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Salty on January 09, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
Not sure what you're referring to as I have only looked at that site once in my life but I think you mean their slogan "One man's apikores is another man's Talmud Chacham"
Pretty go od memory, then!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CountValentine on January 09, 2014, 03:50:49 PM
...not meant to be an in-depth communal soul-searching exercise.
This thread is not for me then.  >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hocker on January 09, 2014, 03:50:57 PM
Not sure what you're referring to as I have only looked at that site once in my life but I think you mean their slogan "One man's apikores is another man's Talmud Chacham"
This (http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/01/07/why-people-go-off-the-derech/) is what I'm referring too.

In any case for Bochurim the top reason is "Laundry".
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: smee123 on January 09, 2014, 04:04:47 PM
You may have missed the emoticon on the side of the topic, as it indicates that it's in jest, not meant to be an in-depth communal soul-searching exercise.
Sorry, it's still  a serious topic IMO.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: raphy781 on January 09, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
This (http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/01/07/why-people-go-off-the-derech/) is what I'm referring too.

In any case for Bochurim the top reason is "Laundry".
Noone's forcing them to wear a shirt from friday to friday.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 09, 2014, 09:33:07 PM
This (http://www.frumsatire.net/2014/01/07/why-people-go-off-the-derech/) is what I'm referring too.

In any case for Bochurim the top reason is "Laundry".
That was my other option but it got "sent" to me  ::)
WAIT! if you go OTD you don't have to do laundry? Should've done that YEARS ago!!!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lechatchileh ariber on January 09, 2014, 09:53:06 PM
The cholent in 770...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 09, 2014, 09:59:55 PM
The cholent in 770...
That's the only thing in 770 that threw you off? :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on January 09, 2014, 10:36:54 PM
לא תרצח
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lechatchileh ariber on January 09, 2014, 10:47:55 PM
That's the only thing in 770 that threw you off? :P
Are you referring to the merkaz gutnick laktanim velagdolim?  ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 09, 2014, 10:57:49 PM
Are you referring to the merkaz gutnick laktanim velagdolim?  ;)
Amongst others, though you have to admit it's not half as bad as what was before it...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on January 09, 2014, 11:56:02 PM
Long slow chazaras hashatzes.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: whacked1 on January 10, 2014, 01:23:37 AM
That fourth guy when you try to do hatoras nedarim on erev r"h!!!!!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 01:25:23 AM
That fourth guy when you try to do hatoras nedarim on erev r"h!!!!!!
NICE!!!! LOVE!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on January 10, 2014, 01:29:18 AM
That fourth guy when you try to do hatoras nedarim on erev r"h!!!!!!
Heh, I guess we need to add this tot he Chabad pros and cons thread. Chabad minhag is to have a minyan of dayanim...

So make that 4 guy to that 11th guy.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 10, 2014, 01:51:47 AM
Long slow chazaras hashatzes.
The guy who sings Ma Ashuv by Hallel... And if it's chol hamoed/Rosh chodesh the whole minyan will probably go off!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on January 10, 2014, 02:02:10 AM
The guy who sings Ma Ashuv by Hallel... And if it's chol hamoed/Rosh chodesh the whole minyan will probably go off!
"the whole minyan will probably go off!" ALOL!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Lou Bob on January 10, 2014, 02:03:58 AM
@SamKey the reason you went off is that you read Frum Satire ;) :P
Heshy Fried is awesome!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on January 10, 2014, 08:39:25 AM
When the school told me my daughter is not accepted until my phone is filtered with their own filter which costs $40 installation + $12.99 monthly service fee EACH month.

And it didn't help that my phone was already filtered by TAG.

Not going to post how I ****ed them up.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChAiM'l on January 10, 2014, 08:45:30 AM

Not going to post how I ****ed them up.

You posted the letter on WhatsApp? ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on January 10, 2014, 08:47:19 AM
which letter?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChAiM'l on January 10, 2014, 08:51:25 AM
which letter?

Was a joke. As you know, many Satmarers that get expelled or warned by their schools, "get back" by posting the letters on WhatsApp.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on January 10, 2014, 08:58:44 AM
I didn't post any letters.
All I can say is that my daughter is now school and I didn't pay a red penny. No installation fee and no monthly fee.
My phone does not have their filter.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on January 10, 2014, 09:08:41 AM
I didn't post any letters.
All I can say is that my daughter is now school and I didn't pay a red penny. No installation fee and no monthly fee.
My phone does not have their filter.
Ah, good old public school.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: churnbabychurn on January 10, 2014, 10:14:09 AM
Ah, good old public school.
lol
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on January 11, 2014, 07:25:58 PM
I didn't post any letters.
All I can say is that my daughter is now school and I didn't pay a red penny. No installation fee and no monthly fee.
My phone does not have their filter.
You better make sure no one ever finds out your real name
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: mow on January 11, 2014, 08:31:11 PM
Tying my right shoe before my left
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Crazy tools on January 11, 2014, 08:52:42 PM
Tying my right shoe before my left
Sounds like the aveira song is having an effect on you...
Didn't you read the disclaimer before the song ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 13, 2014, 09:03:13 AM
Being in satmar on a Monday and they say tachanun
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on January 13, 2014, 09:03:47 AM
:)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 13, 2014, 09:08:20 AM
:)
is that what happened to you?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on January 13, 2014, 09:20:22 AM
I don't daven in satmar.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 13, 2014, 09:22:57 AM
I don't daven in satmar.
I'm asking before you went off ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on January 13, 2014, 09:24:08 AM
Ha ha
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chief Rabbi of New York on January 21, 2014, 12:46:27 PM
Because DDF Ergel made fun of me and called me a troll  :'(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2014, 12:48:33 PM
This guy http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=profile;u=17742
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moishel on January 21, 2014, 01:57:11 PM
Mother stepped on a nail when she was pregnant? Duh! that's why I was never born!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Million Miler on January 21, 2014, 02:30:48 PM
what about kiddush levana after motza yom kippur maariv
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
Shalosh Seudos on a short shabbos day.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Super Speed on January 21, 2014, 05:20:14 PM
Getting wacked in the face by a guy putting on a talis.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Crazy tools on January 21, 2014, 05:42:42 PM
Sitting in front of a seforim shrank in yeshiva and feeling like a piece of toilet paper when guys rub by to get a sefer..... uggg
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CountValentine on January 21, 2014, 05:47:12 PM
I had lunch with this nut job CV.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Super Speed on January 21, 2014, 06:00:45 PM
I had lunch with this nut job CV.
I guess you don't understand what this thread is about.
#unwelcomed

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 21, 2014, 06:05:18 PM
I saw this guy telling off a Goy who just tried to blend into a mostly Jewish forum.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CountValentine on January 21, 2014, 06:08:53 PM
I guess you don't understand what this thread is about.
#unwelcomed
I guess you don't understand humor.
#yourwelcome
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chief Rabbi of New York on January 21, 2014, 06:26:20 PM
from seeing all this fighting going on in klal yisroel and from all this virtual hatred  :'(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: A3 on January 21, 2014, 06:30:38 PM
From seeing trolls on ddf. Seeing fellow Jews openly making a chillul hashem.
There are alot orthodox Jews who are not 'frum'
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Myccrabbi on January 21, 2014, 06:31:48 PM
From seeing trolls on ddf. Seeing fellow Jews openly making a chillul hashem.
There are alot orthodox Jews who are not 'frum'
+1 this:http:// http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36551.msg706640.msg#706640
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Super Speed on January 21, 2014, 07:22:39 PM
I guess you don't understand humor.
#yourwelcome
I'm sorry CV I didn't know you were so sensitive :'( . It was a joke.
#mysincereapologize

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Lou Bob on January 21, 2014, 07:25:39 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=34043.0
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CountValentine on January 21, 2014, 07:38:25 PM
I'm sorry CV I didn't know you were so sensitive :'( . It was a joke.
#mysincereapologize
Not sensitive. NP! 
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CountValentine on January 21, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=34043.0
Are you kidding me? That will go down as a classic.  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on January 21, 2014, 07:41:56 PM
I guess you don't understand what this thread is about.
#unwelcomed


for CV I think most of these reasons would be to go OnTheDerech  ::) :P :-X 8) ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CountValentine on January 21, 2014, 07:45:02 PM
for CV I think most of these reasons would be to go OnTheDerech  ::) :P :-X 8) ;D
Guess I need to start a new thread.  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chief Rabbi of New York on January 21, 2014, 07:46:22 PM
From seeing trolls on ddf. Seeing fellow Jews openly making a chillul hashem.
There are alot orthodox Jews who are not 'frum'

u guys r mean, y cant jews be nice to each other?
seriously, u consider urself jewish?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on May 12, 2014, 08:35:50 AM
BaHaB
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on May 12, 2014, 09:29:13 AM
BaHaB

Haha
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: meshugener on May 12, 2014, 10:38:16 AM
BaHaB
ALOL!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on May 13, 2014, 04:57:46 PM
BaHaB

Would make u the black sheep in the family...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: youG on May 14, 2014, 12:57:20 AM
Yeshivah shalosh suedas!!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dudi on May 14, 2014, 01:06:50 AM
Yeshivah shalosh suedas!!!
great!
My one is
My rabbi told me water guns are for goyim so I became a goyim.
(disclaimer not my line)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on February 19, 2015, 08:58:58 AM
singing during hallel
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on February 19, 2015, 09:09:30 AM
singing during hallel
ALOL!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: @Yehuda on February 19, 2015, 09:14:39 AM
singing during hallel
hahaha
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hvaces42 on February 19, 2015, 09:23:27 AM
singing during hallel
Caveat? On a rosh chodesh that falls on a workday only. On Shabbos or Sunday its ok?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 09:26:18 AM
Caveat? On a rosh chodesh that falls on a workday only. On Shabbos or Sunday its ok?
eh, i still prefer no singing
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on February 19, 2015, 10:01:12 AM
Friday night speech
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2015, 10:36:01 AM
singing during hallel
so true.

Come to my place 620-655 done :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Toasted on February 19, 2015, 10:45:22 AM
so true.

Come to my place 620-655 done :)
I once heard that the #1 reason there are more otd's in lakewood than in bp is: mincha in shoimer shabbos takes 8 minutes, while in kol shimshon it takes 22. Same for maariv.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 19, 2015, 10:47:38 AM
singing during hallel

I don't stand for that business either.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 19, 2015, 10:50:07 AM
Caveat? On a rosh chodesh that falls on a workday only. On Shabbos or Sunday its ok?

No, not even on Shabbos. And no mishebeirachs in between aliyas either. They are not necessary. And even for cholim, send in the name to the gabai before shabbos.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 10:57:59 AM
No, not even on Shabbos. And no mishebeirachs in between aliyas either. They are not necessary. And even for cholim, send in the name to the gabai before shabbos.
Chabad of PIT does a magnificent job of making shabbos davening longer than it should be.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 19, 2015, 10:58:45 AM
Chabad of PIT does a magnificent job of making shabbos davening longer than it should be.

 :'(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2015, 10:58:47 AM
Chabad does a magnificent job of making shabbos davening longer than it should be.
:) this is my exp
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 11:00:13 AM
:) this is my exp
Depends where.
Typically 120-130 minutes by me.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 19, 2015, 11:01:33 AM
...And even for cholim, send in the name to the gabai before shabbos.
In my Shul the Gabbai says Mi Sheberach out loud then pauses when he get's to the name and everyone says the names quietly to themselves...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 11:01:44 AM
Depends where.
Typically 120-130 minutes by me.
thats longer than it should be
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
bad: avel in your minyan who suddenly lengthens davening considerably
worse: random avel joins your minyan during his aveilus and lengthens davening a lot
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 11:08:33 AM
thats longer than it should be
170 in Chabad of PIT is longer than it should be.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 11:11:18 AM
170 in Chabad of PIT is longer than it should be.
doesnt make 120-130 a good pace
happens to be i daven at a "120-130" place, but some of that is speech and longer psukei.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2015, 11:11:42 AM
I have only davened in Greenwich CT they started  around 10 but thats to late for me


8:10-9:30 + massive kiddush. your always welcome to join :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 19, 2015, 11:12:48 AM
I have only davened in Greenwich CT they started  around 10 but thats to late for me


8:10-9:30 + massive kiddush. your always welcome to join :)
What do you DO the whole day? :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 11:12:56 AM
8:10-9:30 + massive kiddush. your always welcome to join :)
where is this?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on February 19, 2015, 11:13:35 AM
singing during hallel
My minyan did it in 63 minutes. That's from דבר הלמד until the last kadish after Mishnayos, includes the Chabad R"C break and many מי שברך's, we even had a second leining for all the Bar Mitzvah's in the middle.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2015, 11:15:55 AM
What do you DO the whole day? :P
Its the day of rest, i finally see my family! :)

where is this?
Gibbs
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on February 19, 2015, 11:17:39 AM
No, not even on Shabbos. And no mishebeirachs in between aliyas either. They are not necessary. And even for cholim, send in the name to the gabai before shabbos.
+100 Misheberachs are the single most contributing factor to kids going otd.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 11:18:04 AM
Gibbs
whats gibbs?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on February 19, 2015, 11:19:26 AM
I have only davened in Greenwich CT they started  around 10 but thats to late for me


8:10-9:30 + massive kiddush. your always welcome to join :)
Sounds like my minyun 9:05-10:20
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on February 19, 2015, 11:19:38 AM
whats gibbs?
a street and shul.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 11:19:58 AM
Sounds like my minyun 9:05-10:20
queens ppl have the option for 725-845
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on February 19, 2015, 12:06:30 PM
Two comments:

1. Shuls that mention every חולה by name could omit עם כל שאר חולי ישראל....
2. According to the שלמי תודה (quoted in שדי חמד)
 טרחא דציבורא, is a
דאורייתא
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 12:07:39 PM
Two comments:

1. Shuls that mention every חולה by name could omit עם כל שאר חולי ישראל....
well they mention every name that they know of, not all of cholei yisrael
that being said, its really annoying
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 12:07:50 PM
the 40 person keil maleh line before RC nissan
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on February 19, 2015, 12:27:05 PM
Purim 'Themes'
(at least the pressure to keep up)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on February 19, 2015, 12:36:44 PM
well they mention every name that they know of, not all of cholei yisrael
that being said, its really annoying

In case you haven't noticed my comment is tongue-in-cheek. Either way, that suffix is meant as a catch-all so you don't have to mention more than 5 names on a first-come-first-serve basis.

Additionally, it's challenging when fellow shul-goes misunderstand the mi shebeirach lecholim as an opportunity to mention their entire family and the dog too...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MosheD on February 19, 2015, 12:40:44 PM
#1 reason for otd (on the derech) - ADAR/PURIM
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on February 19, 2015, 02:52:06 PM
Actually, whose idea was it to have Purim - food, food, nosh, food - right before Pesach?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: TimT on February 19, 2015, 02:59:54 PM
Actually, whose idea was it to have Purim - food, food, nosh, food - right before Pesach?
And whose idea was it to have 4 teachers PER KID !!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on February 19, 2015, 03:01:39 PM
And whose idea was it to have 4 teachers PER KID !!!
4 if you're lucky
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on February 19, 2015, 03:06:14 PM
No, not even on Shabbos. And no mishebeirachs in between aliyas either. They are not necessary. And even for cholim, send in the name to the gabai before shabbos.
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 19, 2015, 03:24:22 PM
And whose idea was it to have 4 teachers PER KID !!!
The Catholics?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on February 19, 2015, 03:26:34 PM
The Catholics?
I got worried when I received a notification that CM replied to this thread. Now he's going OTD too?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on February 19, 2015, 03:36:03 PM
Just gonna throw this out there: It is only permissible to mention cholim that you might not be able to daven for after Shabbos.
PSA I do realize this may be contrary to what most shuls do but nonetheless it is the Halacha (at least according to every rabbi I asked...)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 19, 2015, 03:36:44 PM
Just gonna throw this out there: It is only permissible to mention cholim that you might not be able to daven for after Shabbos.
PSA I do realize this may be contrary to what most shuls do but nonetheless it is the Halacha (at least according to every rabbi I asked...)
no
thats why we throw in shabbos hi milizok
if its cholim mesukanim that may not last, you dont need SHM
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on February 19, 2015, 03:38:42 PM
no
thats why we throw in shabbos hi milizok
if its cholim mesukanim that may not last, you dont need SHM
that's like saying "nisht oif Shabbos geredt"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Red on February 19, 2015, 03:42:43 PM
Just gonna throw this out there: It is only permissible to mention cholim that you might not be able to daven for after Shabbos.
PSA I do realize this may be contrary to what most shuls do but nonetheless it is the Halacha (at least according to every rabbi I asked...)
According to my Rav the whole thing is problematic and shouldn't ever be done. The reason why it's not stopped is because it's been the minhag for so long.
that's like saying "nisht oif Shabbos geredt"
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on February 19, 2015, 03:44:10 PM
According to my Rav the whole thing is problematic and shouldn't ever be done. The reason why it's not stopped is because it's been the minhag for so long.
I'm not so sure how long this minhag has been going on as I'm sure it started with cholim msukanim
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on February 19, 2015, 06:14:34 PM
I got worried when I received a notification that CM replied to this thread. Now he's going OTD too?
He's already gone.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 06:36:08 PM
DDMS and/or DDFB commenters.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: whacked1 on February 19, 2015, 06:50:37 PM
DDMS and/or DDFB commenters.
Danny boy, dont be a hater!!!  :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: beeweegee on February 19, 2015, 06:52:36 PM
Akdamos on Shavuos morning.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on February 19, 2015, 06:54:59 PM
Akdamos on Shavuos morning.
Wrong thread, http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10713
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on February 19, 2015, 06:55:49 PM
Wrong thread, http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10713
;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 19, 2015, 07:33:07 PM
Akdamos on Shavuos morning.
Is this why the problem is less in Chabad? :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 19, 2015, 07:45:42 PM
Akdamos on Shavuos morning.

Tuh
Tuh
Tuh
Suh
Suh
Tuh

That's how much I know. Oh, and the line "asa klila d'les bah mashasha."
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 19, 2015, 07:48:45 PM
FTR The Rebbe used to say Akdamus quietly between Aliyos.

#littleknownchabadfacts
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 19, 2015, 07:56:21 PM
FTR The Rebbe used to say Akdamus quietly between Aliyos.

#littleknownchabadfacts

Yes, but that was not a horaah l'rabim.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 19, 2015, 07:59:09 PM
Yes, but that was not a horaah l'rabim.
I didn't tell anyone to start saying... (after all, I don't need the Achrayus on my shoulders of all the boys who would go OTD because of that :P )
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: beeweegee on February 19, 2015, 09:36:44 PM
Tuh
Tuh
Tuh
Suh
Suh
Tuh

That's how much I know. Oh, and the line "asa klila d'les bah mashasha."
LOL!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on February 19, 2015, 10:08:28 PM
Bumping into other yidden on vacation.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 20, 2015, 10:47:09 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=49699.msg1070735.msg#1070735
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 21, 2015, 09:56:44 PM
No, not even on Shabbos. And no mishebeirachs in between aliyas either. They are not necessary. And even for cholim, send in the name to the gabai before shabbos.
BTW by the Rebbe in 770 they would make a separate Mi Sheberach for every single Choleh/lah (and you can imagine there were maaany Cholim/los being mentioned)...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 21, 2015, 10:31:42 PM
BTW by the Rebbe in 770 they would make a separate Mi Sheberach for every single Choleh/lah (and you can imagine there were maaany Cholim/los being mentioned)...

Since you're going there... someone asked the Rebbe why he davened (relatively) quickly from the amud (chutzpah, I know, but the answer is amazing.) The Rebbe said tircha d'tzibura. This same person then asked, "Then why do you farbreng so long?" The Rebbe answered (to the effect) you can leave the farbrengen when you want. My mokor for this story is from Mandelbaum, so yeah, Achas, you can jump all over me, but the guy has an incredible memory. I think it's a fascinating glimpse into sensitivity. You don't hold people against their will. At a voluntary event is a different matter, but at a minyan, you try to be sensitive.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 21, 2015, 10:42:18 PM
Since you're going there...
Wowow why the attacking tone? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the minyan finishing quickly so I can start Davening ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 21, 2015, 10:44:52 PM
Wowow why the attacking tone? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the minyan finishing quickly so I can start Davening ;)

BTW, I was searching for the words these past few days to explain why a slow minyan bugs me if I haven't davened with a minyan on shabbos in years. You just nailed it.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 21, 2015, 11:36:23 PM
BTW, I was searching for the words these past few days to explain why a slow minyan bugs me if I haven't davened with a minyan on shabbos in years. You just nailed it.
There's nothing more annoying than when you're learning a Maamor and when the Chazzan gets to Kedusha, instead of it being a one minute break you end up listening to his rendition of Mimkomcha TTTO Shamil (and just when you get to the end of the tune you realize the Chazzan is only up to Tishkon and the whole minyan goes back to the beginning...)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on February 21, 2015, 11:39:58 PM


(and just when you get to the end of the tune you realize the Chazzan is only up to Tishkon and the whole minyan goes back to the beginning...)
ALOL

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 21, 2015, 11:40:31 PM
There's nothing more annoying than when you're learning a Maamor and when the Chazzan gets to Kedusha, instead of it being a one minute break you end up listening to his rendition of Mimkomcha TTTO Shamil (and just when you get to the end of the tune you realize the Chazzan is only up to Tishkon and the whole minyan goes back to the beginning...)

You just described my purgatory! I have seen men who have managed to work no less than four different nigunim into a keduash/keser.

Oh the pain... :'(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on February 21, 2015, 11:44:12 PM


Oh the pain... :'(
I relate to this conversation very much. Very entertaining.

We feel for you.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 21, 2015, 11:50:05 PM
How about on YK, at the end of each stanza of Al Chet, the chazan says the last two lines out loud and then everyone all sings together the words: "Slach lanu; mchal lanu; kaper lanu." If a chazan then REPEATS those words again on his own after we all just sang them together, I feel as if this person has no respect for other human beings.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 21, 2015, 11:55:00 PM
Yom Kippur I'm at least Davening with the minyan (and I'm trying not to get angry at random Jews)...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 21, 2015, 11:56:09 PM
Yom Kippur I'm at least Davening with the minyan (and I'm trying not to get angry at random Jews)...

Me too! That's why a narisher chazan is poshut lifnei iver lo sitein michshol!!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 21, 2015, 11:58:29 PM
Lol just add it to the next Al Chet (you don't want that one to be a Brachah Levatala :P)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 22, 2015, 12:00:11 AM
What's plilus? Al chet shechataunu b'plilus.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 22, 2015, 08:06:56 AM
What's plilus? Al chet shechataunu b'plilus.
You didn't learn Chitas two weeks age?

Mishpatim 21:22, Rashi Biflilim:

בפלילים: על פי הדיינים
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chaikel on February 22, 2015, 09:07:56 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=49699.msg1070735.msg#1070735
The +1, or the multiple exclamation points?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on February 22, 2015, 09:19:51 AM
You didn't learn Chitas two weeks age?

Mishpatim 21:22, Rashi Biflilim:

בפלילים: על פי הדיינים

Very good. So my point was that when a chazan shleps out the YK davening, I immediately engage in plilus.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: raphy781 on February 22, 2015, 11:21:29 AM
When the chazan davens maariv with the Yom Kippur nigun on a random Wednesday.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 22, 2015, 11:22:46 AM
When the chazan davens maariv with the Yom Kippur nigun on a random Wednesday.
I'm sorry, that's not an excuse
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on March 05, 2015, 09:31:53 AM
which shuls actually say the קרובץ for Purim?!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: D93 on March 05, 2015, 09:34:14 AM
Banging by Haman at night - Who's not hungry?!
Banging by Haman in the morning - Who's not hungover?!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yoruel on March 05, 2015, 09:35:59 AM
Snowing on Purim☺
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on March 05, 2015, 09:36:21 AM


Banging by Haman at night - Who's not hungry?!
another reason to move to Jerusalem.



Banging by Haman in the morning - Who's not hungover?!
Hungover?  Don't sober off!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2015, 10:10:51 AM
Snowing on Purim☺
What kind of G-D would do such a thing >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Centro on March 05, 2015, 10:34:15 AM
What kind of G-D would do such a thing >:(
::)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2015, 10:43:42 AM
Banging by Haman at night - Who's not hungry?!
Banging by Haman in the morning - Who's not hungover?!
Funny because my reason to go OTD was the grouchy old people complaining when we banged Haman as kids...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on March 05, 2015, 10:45:00 AM
Funny because my reason to go OTD was the grouchy old people complaining when we banged Haman as kids...
The great circle of life.  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on March 05, 2015, 10:46:24 AM
Funny because my reason to go OTD was the grouchy old people complaining when we banged Haman as kids...
when you're a kid, there's not enough hamans; when you're an adult, there's too many.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2015, 10:53:41 AM
when you're a kid, there's not enough hamans; when you're an adult, there's too many.
The problem is not that there are too many, it's that they are spaced so unevenly...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2015, 10:59:45 AM
What kind of G-D would do such a thing >:(
Looks like he got in on the craze and is doing the Frozen theme as well :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: D93 on March 05, 2015, 11:11:49 AM
Looks like he got in on the craze and is doing the Frozen theme as well :D
I thought the theme was #TheDress?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2015, 11:12:50 AM
I thought the theme was #TheDress?
Depends how old you are I guess...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DMYD on March 05, 2015, 11:14:51 AM
when you're a kid, there's not enough hamans; when you're an adult, there's too many.
Soooo true!!!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 05, 2015, 12:11:16 PM
A shliach delaying Megillah at night over an over for a speech.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 05, 2015, 09:27:13 PM
A shliach delaying Megillah at night over an over for a speech.
My dear, sweet jj1000, I don't now where you davened last night (and now I don't want to know) but may I suggest that maybe you were davening in a place where they were having more of an "instructional" type service for people who are not so comfortable with bog boy services. Maybe you need a venue that is more suited to you.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 05, 2015, 11:58:25 PM
Looks like he got in on the craze and is doing the Frozen theme as well :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on March 06, 2015, 12:13:51 AM
that's like saying "nisht oif Shabbos geredt"
SHM originated with the Rambam, in his אגרות
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 06, 2015, 08:44:29 AM
My dear, sweet jj1000, I don't now where you davened last night (and now I don't want to know) but may I suggest that maybe you were davening in a place where they were having more of an "instructional" type service for people who are not so comfortable with bog boy services. Maybe you need a venue that is more suited to you.
What if the speech had nothing to do with Purim and possibly not even to do with Judaism? ( Wasn't the shliach talking.)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 06, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
What if the speech had nothing to do with Purim and possibly not even to do with Judaism? ( Wasn't the shliach talking.)
Now i am extremely curious.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 06, 2015, 05:11:47 PM
which shuls actually say the קרובץ for Purim?!

Lol. A guy tried to stop the chazzan in my minyan to say it. He was thankfully overruled.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 08, 2015, 01:44:51 AM
Getting wacked in the face by a guy putting on a talis.
+2. Happened twice to me this shabbos. I guess thats what happens when your a guest in a shul and sit on one of those chairs that line the back wall!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on March 08, 2015, 03:06:40 AM
i didn't read through all th replies so forgive any doubles!

macaroons on pesach

the song vayazor veyagain

the guy who came at the end of mincha and starts shemona esrai right in the middle of the aisle

remembering you didn't daven maariv after falling into to bed at 2AM

getting a pasul sefer torah on simchas torah

shalashudis- 'nuff said

not napping 2nd day rosh hashana

it goes on and on...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on March 08, 2015, 09:13:03 AM


i didn't read through all th replies so forgive any doubles!

macaroons on pesach

the song vayazor veyagain

the guy who came at the end of mincha and starts shemona esrai right in the middle of the aisle

remembering you didn't daven maariv after falling into to bed at 2AM

getting a pasul sefer torah on simchas torah

shalashudis- 'nuff said

not napping 2nd day rosh hashana

it goes on and on...

😃 great stuff!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 08, 2015, 09:39:07 AM
i didn't read through all th replies so forgive any doubles!

macaroons on pesach

the song vayazor veyagain

the guy who came at the end of mincha and starts shemona esrai right in the middle of the aisle

remembering you didn't daven maariv after falling into to bed at 2AM

getting a pasul sefer torah on simchas torah

shalashudis- 'nuff said

not napping 2nd day rosh hashana

it goes on and on...

See the advantages of Chabad minhagim thread.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 08, 2015, 10:19:06 PM
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 08, 2015, 11:28:47 PM
-A minyan on an airplane

-Hamotzie rolls
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 08, 2015, 11:32:41 PM



-Hamotzie rolls
Are there any other kind?

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 08, 2015, 11:40:03 PM
-A minyan on an airplane

-Hamotzie rolls
Hamotzi rolls on an airplane,..
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 08, 2015, 11:44:12 PM
Let alone airplane, why in the world did God created hamotzie rolls in first place?

That's beyond me
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 08, 2015, 11:49:47 PM
Why is it that frum people have this irrational fear of Bentching? It ranks second only to the fear of being Fleishig...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 08, 2015, 11:51:02 PM
LOL

You have a point...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on March 08, 2015, 11:52:44 PM
Why is it that frum people have this irrational fear of Bentching? It ranks second only to the fear of being Fleishig...
+1  Totally fits my house.  Some flaw in my parenting, I assume.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 08, 2015, 11:59:04 PM
Why is it that frum people have this irrational fear of Bentching? It ranks second only to the fear of being Fleishig...

Benching takes at least five minutes if you say every word. Since many people don't know it fully by heart, it requires obtaining a bencher (or smartphone app). Then, depending on how religious you are, it requires Mayim Achronim and donning a hat and jacket. If you are a male, and were sitting with two other males and having your meal kind of together, that requires making a Mezuman.

It's not an irrational fear. It's a process, and if you are in a particular rush, it's also time consuming.

If you are on an airplane and did not wash beforehand... well let's not even go there.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 08, 2015, 11:59:12 PM
Every frum guy I know hates washing and getting fleishig.

That's definitely not a few parents picking the wrong methods, this seems to be a universal problem among non Reform Jews.

It's time to have a think tank figuring out the reason behind it and brainstorming ideas to solve it.

This can't continue for much longer.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 12:02:24 AM
Every frum guy I know hates washing and getting fleishig.

That's definitely not a few parents picking the wrong methods, this seems to be a universal problem among non Reform Jews.

It's time to have a think tank figuring out the reason behind it and brainstorming ideas to solve it.

This can't continue for much longer.

Getting Fleishig places a six-hour ban on consuming anything dairy. Essentially, it restricts what you can eat for an entire day. Ate a chicken wrap at 2:00? No coffee for the rest of the day. (REAL coffee that is. Go drink black coffee if you like, but it sucks.)

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 12:04:04 AM
Yeah, but people overreact to it.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 12:07:51 AM
Yeah, but people overreact to it.

I disagree. Go tell a secular person that for medical reasons, if he consumes meat, it will be unsafe for him to eat dairy for six hours. I believe he may reconsider his morning bacon...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 09, 2015, 12:09:37 AM
Why is it that frum people have this irrational fear of Bentching? It ranks second only to the fear of being Fleishig...
Reminds me of line I heard recently.

Two things a frum jews always wants to be: parve and gedavent.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on March 09, 2015, 12:33:56 AM
Time to learn to bentch in 30 seconds.
I'm not kidding. I'm also not saying that it's appropriate.
Same with the 10 minutes Shachris.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on March 09, 2015, 12:34:51 AM
... putting back the Kiddush Levana paper.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 12:39:35 AM


Benching takes at least five minutes if you say every word. Since many people don't know it fully by heart, it requires obtaining a bencher (or smartphone app). Then, depending on how religious you are, it requires Mayim Achronim and donning a hat and jacket. If you are a male, and were sitting with two other males and having your meal kind of together, that requires making a Mezuman.

It's not an irrational fear. It's a process, and if you are in a particular rush, it's also time consuming.

If you are on an airplane and did not wash beforehand... well let's not even go there.

Please don't make it a religious thing it's a question in halacha whether or not you need to wash mayim acharonim
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on March 09, 2015, 12:40:15 AM

Please don't make it a religious thing it's a question in halacha whether or not you need to wash mayim acharonim
Huh?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 12:43:12 AM
Huh?
According to R' Moshe Feinstein one need not wash mayim acharonim unless his hands are dirty because the other reason of a poison snake does not exist nowadays
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 09, 2015, 12:47:27 AM
According to R' Moshe Feinstein one need not wash mayim acharonim unless his hands are dirty because the other reason of a poison snake does not exist nowadays
Poison snake?! Mayim acharonim?!  :o
You're making one big cholent out of all the heterim!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 12:56:50 AM
Poison snake?! Mayim acharonim?!  :o
You're making one big cholent out of all the heterim!
I'm so sorry I meant the danger from the salt you are correct I did make cholent out of it
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 09, 2015, 01:04:31 AM
i forgive you. :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: raphy781 on March 09, 2015, 04:59:30 AM
Every frum guy I know hates washing and getting fleishig.

That's definitely not a few parents picking the wrong methods, this seems to be a universal problem among non Reform Jews.

It's time to have a think tank figuring out the reason behind it and brainstorming ideas to solve it.
Maybe it's due to commitment issues. In that case we can tie it into the shidduch crisis. I'm just thinking out loud here, but maybe if a guy would get a few grand for becoming fleishig....
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on March 09, 2015, 07:44:58 AM
Maybe it's due to commitment issues. In that case we can tie it into the shidduch crisis. I'm just thinking out loud here, but maybe if a guy would get a few grand for becoming fleishig....

wait you become fleishig when you get married ???
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on March 09, 2015, 08:03:17 AM
Benching takes at least five minutes if you say every word. Since many people don't know it fully by heart, it requires obtaining a bencher (or smartphone app). Then, depending on how religious you are, it requires Mayim Achronim and donning a hat and jacket. If you are a male, and were sitting with two other males and having your meal kind of together, that requires making a Mezuman.

It's not an irrational fear. It's a process, and if you are in a particular rush, it's also time consuming.

If you are on an airplane and did not wash beforehand... well let's not even go there.
Its called laziness...
Maybe it's due to commitment issues. In that case we can tie it into the shidduch crisis. I'm just thinking out loud here, but maybe if a guy would get a few grand for becoming fleishig....
Lol
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 09, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
  • Not being able to wear gloves on Shabbos in the winter. (According to some authorities.)
ALOR about these http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00DV55INK/?tag=cl03f-20
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 09, 2015, 08:23:47 AM
Not being able to eat what you want at an all-inclusive.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 09, 2015, 08:26:45 AM
Not being able to eat what you want when you want.
ftfy.

It's pretty funny the probably #1 reason for youths going otd isn't listed here, and it's not abuse as a kid ftr.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 09, 2015, 08:29:06 AM
It's pretty funny the probably #1 reason for youths going otd isn't listed here, and it's not abuse as a kid ftr.
Hint?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on March 09, 2015, 09:40:00 AM
Every frum guy I know hates washing and getting fleishig.

It's ironic when you think about how much kashrus actually regulates what and how we eat...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 09:45:02 AM
It's ironic when you think about how much kashrus actually regulates what and how we eat...

It does, but it's only ironic because of today's spoiled standards.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: cozmohoot on March 09, 2015, 09:46:58 AM
I don't drink coffee so meat doesn't scare me! Neither do mornings on fast days.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 09, 2015, 10:01:12 AM
I don't drink coffee so meat doesn't scare me! Neither do mornings on fast days.
I DO drink coffee and meat doesnt scare me!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: raphy781 on March 09, 2015, 10:07:33 AM
It's pretty funny the probably #1 reason for youths going otd isn't listed here, and it's not abuse as a kid ftr.
Cuz that's a serious thing?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on March 09, 2015, 10:47:03 AM
According to R' Moshe Feinstein one need not wash mayim acharonim unless his hands are dirty
source?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on March 09, 2015, 10:52:05 AM
I DO drink coffee and meat doesnt scare me!
+1
I can't remember the last time i had milchig for supper and i usually have fleishig for lunch and quite often for breakfast. I prefer my coffee the way G-d intended, black and dark roasted.
I make a cholent for a thursday night learning program in a community that is mostly baalei teshuvah and it always seems crazy to me how many people would rather skip an awesome (if i may say so myself) cholent for the possibility of cereal and milk at 10PM!  :o :o
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 10:53:17 AM
source?
I heard it from someone I know who is a Talmud of R' Reuven and has a haskama on his sefer in halacha from him
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 10:54:15 AM
+1
I can't remember the last time i had milchig for supper and i usually have fleishig for lunch and quite often for breakfast. I prefer my coffee the way G-d intended, black and dark roasted.

Not my G-d. Milk or bust.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 09, 2015, 10:55:28 AM
ftfy.

It's pretty funny the probably #1 reason for youths going otd isn't listed here, and it's not abuse as a kid ftr.
If this would be a serious discussion, it wouldn't be in JS. Besides, the topic isn't why people do go OTD, rather why they should.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on March 09, 2015, 10:59:18 AM


Benching takes at least five minutes if you say every word. Since many people don't know it fully by heart, it requires obtaining a bencher (or smartphone app). Then, depending on how religious you are, it requires Mayim Achronim and donning a hat and jacket.
Probably already mentioned, but please don't lump these together.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 09, 2015, 11:02:39 AM
what about kiddush levana after motza yom kippur maariv
and tisha bav (according to many)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on March 09, 2015, 11:09:10 AM
I heard it from someone I know who is a Talmud of R' Reuven and has a haskama on his sefer in halacha from him
So then not in any of R' Moshe's seforim? Just mepi hashmua?
that does give it less weight even though it has a great source.

If R' Moshe chose not to publicize a psak perhaps it was beacause he felt that one should be noheg like the more standardized halacha which is to wash even clean hands because of kabbalah reasons
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 11:21:41 AM
So then not in any of R' Moshe's seforim? Just mepi hashmua?
that does give it less weight even though it has a great source.

If R' Moshe chose not to publicize a psak perhaps it was beacause he felt that one should be noheg like the more standardized halacha which is to wash even clean hands because of kabbalah reasons
I didn't learn all his seforim also his only seforim on halacha IINM are the igros Moshe which he answered questions but if no one sent a letter to ask it won't be there
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 11:22:20 AM
Probably already mentioned, but please don't lump these together.

What do you mean by that? Which one is the less important one?

Birkas Hamazon is D'oraisa. It's equal to (or some would argue greater than) davening Shacharis. If you are makpid to wear a hat during davening, you should most certainly be makpid to wear it during Benching.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 11:23:18 AM


If R' Moshe chose not to publicize a psak perhaps it was beacause he felt that one should be noheg like the more standardized halacha which is to wash even clean hands because of kabbalah reasons
R' Moshe didn't hold one thing and tell everyone to do something else it makes no sense

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AI-TRAVEL on March 09, 2015, 11:44:47 AM
It snows or rains every Shabbos!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 12:20:50 PM
What do you mean by that? Which one is the less important one?

Birkas Hamazon is D'oraisa. It's equal to (or some would argue greater than) davening Shacharis. If you are makpid to wear a hat during davening, you should most certainly be makpid to wear it during Benching.
-1
There's a specific inyan to wear a hat during davening because tfilah is is compared to standing in front of a king - which is not the case with bentcing. See M"B

It has nothing to do with being d'oraisa or not.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 12:22:09 PM

 i usually have fleishig for lunch and quite often for breakfast.
Of those people I can never relate to.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on March 09, 2015, 12:25:47 PM


What do you mean by that? Which one is the less important one?

Birkas Hamazon is D'oraisa. It's equal to (or some would argue greater than) davening Shacharis. If you are makpid to wear a hat during davening, you should most certainly be makpid to wear it during Benching.

Mayim Achronim is Halacha. (No further comment)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 09, 2015, 12:27:18 PM

Mayim Achronim is Halacha. (No further comment)


According to R' Moshe Feinstein one need not wash mayim acharonim unless his hands are dirty because the other reason of a dangerous salt does not exist nowadays

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on March 09, 2015, 12:32:43 PM

That's nowadays (maybe).
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on March 09, 2015, 12:36:27 PM
R' Moshe didn't hold one thing and tell everyone to do something else it makes no sense
-1
R' moshe held certain things but felt they should not be publicized as psak. I know one instance of this 2nd hand.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 12:44:07 PM
-1
There's a specific inyan to wear a hat during davening because tfilah is is compared to standing in front of a king - which is not the case with bentcing. See M"B

It has nothing to do with being d'oraisa or not.

Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 44:6

לא יברך מעומד, ולא מהלך, אלא מיושב, ואפילו היה הולך בתוך ביתו כשאכל, או שהיה עומד או מסיב, כשצריך לברך צריך לישב, כדי לכוין דעתו ביותר, וגם לא יהא מיסב שהוא דרך גאוה, אלא ישב וילבש מלבוש העליון. וגם יניח הכובע בראשו שיהא מורא שמים עליו. ויעורר הכונה ויברך באימה וביראה, ולא יעשה שום דבר בשעה שהוא
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 09, 2015, 12:55:38 PM
Washing/bentching at a business lunch
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 09, 2015, 12:58:35 PM
Washing/bentching at a business lunch
was thinking that
last time i brought a piece of bread to work, washed privately, had in mind to eat elsewhere, then went to eat, and bentched back by my desk
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 02:07:57 PM
Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 44:6

לא יברך מעומד, ולא מהלך, אלא מיושב, ואפילו היה הולך בתוך ביתו כשאכל, או שהיה עומד או מסיב, כשצריך לברך צריך לישב, כדי לכוין דעתו ביותר, וגם לא יהא מיסב שהוא דרך גאוה, אלא ישב וילבש מלבוש העליון. וגם יניח הכובע בראשו שיהא מורא שמים עליו. ויעורר הכונה ויברך באימה וביראה, ולא יעשה שום דבר בשעה שהוא

Not saying there's no inyan at all. It's just not the same as davening.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 09, 2015, 02:32:46 PM
What I learned on the forum in the past 24 hours: Oreos are pas Yisroel, you can eat them with real fleishigs, you don't need mayim acharonim because there are no poisonous snake on an airplane, and you can bentsch without a hat and jacket even if you wouldn't daven that way.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 09, 2015, 02:39:55 PM
What I learned on the forum in the past 24 hours: Oreos are pas Yisroel, you can eat them with real fleishigs, you don't need mayim acharonim because there are no poisonous snake on an airplane, and you can bentsch without a hat and jacket even if you wouldn't daven that way.
Wow! Great start for a wiki...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 09, 2015, 02:43:11 PM
Wow! Great start for a wiki...
Or a book burning. ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 09, 2015, 02:52:04 PM
...you don't need mayim acharonim because there are no poisonous snake on an airplane...
Are you sure? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_on_a_Plane)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 09, 2015, 02:58:39 PM
Are you sure?
 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snakes_on_a_Plane)

כמה גדולים דברי חכמים
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 03:02:19 PM
Not saying there's no inyan at all. It's just not the same as davening.

Do you have a source for this?

AFAIK, bentching is equal to or greater than davening, for all intents and purposes.

Please cite a specific source that states that wearing a hat is more important during davening than during bentching.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 09, 2015, 03:11:28 PM
-1
R' moshe held certain things but felt they should not be publicized as psak. I know one instance of this 2nd hand.
+1 he even says as much in one of his teshuvahs.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 09, 2015, 03:15:55 PM
What I learned on the forum in the past 24 hours: Oreos are pas Yisroel, you can eat them with real fleishigs, you don't need mayim acharonim because there are no poisonous snake on an airplane, and you can bentsch without a hat and jacket even if you wouldn't daven that way.
Lmao
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on March 09, 2015, 03:24:45 PM
Kitzur Shulchan Aruch, 44:6

לא יברך מעומד, ולא מהלך, אלא מיושב, ואפילו היה הולך בתוך ביתו כשאכל, או שהיה עומד או מסיב, כשצריך לברך צריך לישב, כדי לכוין דעתו ביותר, וגם לא יהא מיסב שהוא דרך גאוה, אלא ישב וילבש מלבוש העליון. וגם יניח הכובע בראשו שיהא מורא שמים עליו. ויעורר הכונה ויברך באימה וביראה, ולא יעשה שום דבר בשעה שהוא
So just the hat then, no jacket?

In all seriousness, I was by one of my rebbeim for a meal on Sukkos and it was very hot. By bentching he put on his hat but not his jacket, and mentioned that the hat is more important than the jacket. I don't remember the explanation, or if he gave one.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 09, 2015, 03:25:40 PM
So just the hat then, no jacket?

Did you see the few words right before that?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on March 09, 2015, 03:27:15 PM
Did you see the few words right before that?
Lol, sorry. You got me ;D - only read the bold. Either way, wanted to introduce my maaseh rav.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 09, 2015, 03:28:32 PM
Lol, sorry. You got me ;D - only read the bold. Either way, wanted to introduce my maaseh rav.
:)
Regarding your Ma'aseh, I have seen people putting on a hat but no jacket but never found out a reason...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 03:39:43 PM
Do you have a source for this?


I need a source? You need a source.
You said something out of your stomach making a kal v'chomer and coming to a conclusion.

What is sure is that tefilah - be it more or less chomur than benthing - has a special din of being in a state like you would act in front of a king, something that is clearly not the case with bentching.
That's why you don't need to stand, close your eyes, or put your feet & and hands in certain way when you bentch.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 09, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
I need a source? You need a source.
You said something out of your stomach making a kal v'chomer and coming to a conclusion.

What is sure is that tefilah - be it more or less chomur than benthing - has a special din of being in a state like you would act in front of a king, something that is clearly not the case with bentching.
That's why you don't need to stand, close your eyes, or put your feet & and hands in certain way when you bentch.
:o

Look in the siddur, dude. Or does that get in the way of the exaggerated contortions and gesticulations?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 04:12:40 PM
I need a source? You need a source.
You said something out of your stomach making a kal v'chomer and coming to a conclusion.

What is sure is that tefilah - be it more or less chomur than benthing - has a special din of being in a state like you would act in front of a king, something that is clearly not the case with bentching.
That's why you don't need to stand, close your eyes, or put your feet & and hands in certain way when you bentch.

Get a clue.

The quote below is taken from here: http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/halacha/Volume%206%20Issue%2012.pdf

Bentching is Comparable to Shemonei Esrei. When one bentches he should be in the same mind set as when he davens shemonei esrei. Many poskim say that one cannot answer amen or other devarim sh’bekedusha during bentching. One may not make finger motions during bentching. These rules do not
apply after the fourth beracha of hatov v’hameitiv. Others say that one should avoid any hefsek until after he has finished bentching if possible. The Chazzon Ish zt”l was of the opinion that one may answer to kedusha and borchu in middle of a beracha, and amen is permitted in between berochos. However, the custom follows the stringent opinion. When someone is bentching, his neighbor should be careful not to disturb him. Therefore, one should avoid conversing with another while someone else is bentching
close by. One should be properly dressed while reciting bentching. Wearing a bathrobe is
unacceptable. Some say that it is proper to wear a hat and jacket. The Kitzur Shulchan Aruch says that doing so brings one to fear of Hashem and will increase concentration during bentching. The Chazzon Ish zt”l only wore a big yarmulke and did not wear a hat for bentching. The Stiepler zt”l only wore a hat without a jacket.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moishel on March 09, 2015, 04:13:51 PM
-1
There's a specific inyan to wear a hat during davening because tfilah is is compared to standing in front of a king - which is not the case with bentcing. See M"B

It has nothing to do with being d'oraisa or not.
That's why every time I go to meet a king I make sure to take my hat along. If it's really hot I leave my jacket at home, but my hat? that $%!& stays on my head, I ain't gonna show myself to no king without it!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 09, 2015, 04:20:27 PM
That's why every time I go to meet a king I make sure to take my hat along. If it's really hot I leave my jacket at home, but my hat? that $%!& stays on my head, I ain't gonna show myself to no king without it!

(https://presidentreagan.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/ronaldreaganathisranch.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 04:53:54 PM
That's why every time I go to meet a king I make sure to take my hat along. If it's really hot I leave my jacket at home, but my hat? that $%!& stays on my head, I ain't gonna show myself to no king without it!
How cute are you
not.

Chazal set guidelines as was the standard back in their times.

If we have to customize the guidelines based on our standards is a totally different discussion and is something Rabbi Isaac Mayer Wise has already discussed in length.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 04:55:15 PM
:o

Look in the siddur, dude. Or does that get in the way of the exaggerated contortions and gesticulations?
Whatever it is, it's not something you're supposed to do when bentching.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 04:57:46 PM
Get a clue.

The quote below is taken from here: http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/halacha/Volume%206%20Issue%2012.pdf

Bentching is Comparable to Shemonei Esrei. When one bentches he should be in the same mind set as when he davens shemonei esrei.
That's not how it looks like in sh"u. None of the special halachos mentioned in hilchos tefilah are in hilchos birchas hamuzon.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on March 09, 2015, 04:58:57 PM
Discussions like this rank in the Top Reasons To Go OTD....
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on March 09, 2015, 04:59:39 PM
Discussions like this rank in the Top Reasons To Go OTD....
Let's go
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 09, 2015, 05:00:26 PM
Discussions like this rank in the Top Reasons To Go OTD....

ftfy.

It's pretty funny the probably #1 reason for youths going otd isn't listed here, and it's not abuse as a kid ftr.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2015, 05:22:25 PM
Rabanut hechshers.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 09, 2015, 05:25:08 PM
Israeli hechshers.
FTFY...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Matovu on March 09, 2015, 08:24:24 PM
Rabanut hechshers.
Dont want to turn this into the Waldorf hechsher thread, but i take it you skipped the food ?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on March 10, 2015, 11:22:36 AM
+1 he even says as much in one of his teshuvahs.
in regard to kli sheini on sugar on shabbos?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 10, 2015, 11:25:28 AM
in regard to kli sheini on sugar on shabbos?
No, iirc it's a teshuvah on shutting off a stove top flame on Yom tov. But this is way ot. 😊
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on March 10, 2015, 11:28:53 AM
No, iirc it's a teshuvah on shutting off a stove top flame ON A STOVE WITH A PILOT on Yom tov. But this is way ot. 😊
FTFY correctly?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 10, 2015, 11:32:39 AM
FTFY correctly?
I dont think it matters, but its been a while since I last saw this teshuvah.
Btw this shoukd be moved to the shailos thread, Mods ?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 10, 2015, 01:14:42 PM
Get a clue.

The quote below is taken from here: http://www.shemayisrael.com/parsha/halacha/Volume%206%20Issue%2012.pdf

The Stiepler zt”l only wore a hat without a jacket.
I believe this is based on the halacha that bentching requires a "kesser"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on March 10, 2015, 04:11:22 PM
+1
I can't remember the last time i had milchig for supper and i usually have fleishig for lunch and quite often for breakfast. I prefer my coffee the way G-d intended, black and dark roasted.
I make a cholent for a thursday night learning program in a community that is mostly baalei teshuvah and it always seems crazy to me how many people would rather skip an awesome (if i may say so myself) cholent for the possibility of cereal and milk at 10PM!  :o :o
+1MM (And FTR I've been to your community)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 10, 2015, 04:42:19 PM
FTFY correctly?
-1 it makes no difference the point is that you are not actually doing anything to the fire you are cutting off the supply of fuel
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on March 10, 2015, 05:31:41 PM
-1 it makes no difference the point is that you are not actually doing anything to the fire you are cutting off the supply of fuel
The way I understood it, that point is only when you have a pilot that still has a flame after you close the burner.  So when you close the burner flame, you're not supplying extra fuel to the fire (of the pilot).  But if you have no pilot, when you shut off the fuel to the burner, the fire is extinguished - and that is a problem.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 10, 2015, 07:07:36 PM
The way I understood it, that point is only when you have a pilot that still has a flame after you close the burner.  So when you close the burner flame, you're not supplying extra fuel to the fire (of the pilot).  But if you have no pilot, when you shut off the fuel to the burner, the fire is extinguished - and that is a problem.
Its based directly on a mishna. If u have a egg which is dripping oil on to a wick, on shabbos you can't take it off but on yom tov you can. Because normally you cant take fuel from a fire but on yom tov you can. So by turning off the gas your cutting off the fuel from below the fire, and therefore is like removing the egg. So if you have a burner which has an electronic starter you can unplug the oven and use the stove top all yt long by lightning the gas with a candle (that you have burning all yt) and turning it off whenever.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on March 10, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
I believe this is based on the halacha that bentching requires a "kesser"
Weren't you there with me for the maaseh I mentioned? Is that what he said? I vaguely remember something about cos shel bracha being the mechayev too. Does that ring a bell?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on March 10, 2015, 07:51:41 PM
Its based directly on a mishna. If u have a egg which is dripping oil on to a wick, on shabbos you can't take it off but on yom tov you can. Because normally you cant take fuel from a fire but on yom tov you can. So by turning off the gas your cutting off the fuel from below the fire, and therefore is like removing the egg. So if you have a burner which has an electronic starter you can unplug the oven and use the stove top all yt long by lightning the gas with a candle (that you have burning all yt) and turning it off whenever.
When you remove the egg, does the fire immediately go out? or is there some oil left to keep the wick lit at the time that you remove the egg?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Banillareloads on March 10, 2015, 09:00:03 PM
Regarding the alleged netillasyadayimophobia, a non-jewish worker at a luncheonette recently asked me why the rabbis dont come out with a product like purell to make it less stressful :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 10, 2015, 09:06:15 PM
Regarding the alleged netillasyadayimophobia, a non-jewish worker at a luncheonette recently asked me why the rabbis dont come out with a product like purell to make it less stressful :D
Reminds me of the joke with the eruv. When they were building one of the eruvin in NYC, they came to the mayor to get his help in securing the permits. They tried explaining to him exactly what it is and why it's necessary. He listened to the whole drasha with a puzzled expression, then asked, "I don't understand, why can't you just make it wireless?"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 10, 2015, 09:08:44 PM
When you remove the egg, does the fire immediately go out? or is there some oil left to keep the wick lit at the time that you remove the egg?
Obviously theres some oil left, but also by the gas range your cutting it off below the flame so theres still gas left (although its a tiny amount, and the fire goes out a millisecond later - its still there).
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on March 10, 2015, 10:55:15 PM
Gosh - I'm with coralsnake, this discussion is making me go OTD.
1) FTR - RMF is discussing lowering the flame, and in a nutshell holds that if you can turn it lower you can turn it off. But he isn't matir that in the teshuva, and that's the off the record part. No difference if there is a pilot or not. IF there is an electric pilot, then you very possibly will trigger it in the process of shutting off the oven, so you have an electricity problem.
2) the shemayisroel link that was presented as proof that you have to wear a hat and jacket for bentshing clearly said that *some say* to do so. Precisely - the Magen Avraham says to put on a hat (no jacket). The Aruch Hashulchan says from the Zohar to put on a beged elyon, and adds ולא ראינו ולא שמענו מנהג זה . It's clearly not clear cut one way or another.
 Furthermore, does everyone wear a hat and jacket for davening?
3) Mayim Achronim - Suffice it to say that the SA quotes not washing as alegitimite opinion, and the MB differs only because of kabbalistic reasons. Yekkes don't wash. Many Litvaks don't wash. Most communities women don't wash.
4) I drink my coffee black and can't stand it with milk or sugar. I've been known to eat cholent for breakfast. I would happily wash for bread on 3 meals a day, maybe because of 2 + 3 above

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 11, 2015, 12:56:34 AM
Gosh - I'm with coralsnake, this discussion is making me go OTD.
1) FTR - RMF is discussing lowering the flame, and in a nutshell holds that if you can turn it lower you can turn it off. But he isn't matir that in the teshuva, and that's the off the record part. No difference if there is a pilot or not. IF there is an electric pilot, then you very possibly will trigger it in the process of shutting off the oven, so you have an electricity problem.
2) the shemayisroel link that was presented as proof that you have to wear a hat and jacket for bentshing clearly said that *some say* to do so. Precisely - the Magen Avraham says to put on a hat (no jacket). The Aruch Hashulchan says from the Zohar to put on a beged elyon, and adds ולא ראינו ולא שמענו מנהג זה . It's clearly not clear cut one way or another.
 Furthermore, does everyone wear a hat and jacket for davening?
3) Mayim Achronim - Suffice it to say that the SA quotes not washing as alegitimite opinion, and the MB differs only because of kabbalistic reasons. Yekkes don't wash. Many Litvaks don't wash. Most communities women don't wash.
4) I drink my coffee black and can't stand it with milk or sugar. I've been known to eat cholent for breakfast. I would happily wash for bread on 3 meals a day, maybe because of 2 + 3 above
1)
2)
3)
4)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: chaimmayer on March 11, 2015, 01:09:10 AM
I believe this is based on the halacha that bentching requires a "kesser"
And the מקור for requiring a Kesser is?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yakrot on March 11, 2015, 01:12:04 AM
Threads that end up way OT
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 11, 2015, 01:24:01 AM
ftfy.

It's pretty funny the probably #1 reason for youths going otd isn't listed here, and it's not abuse as a kid ftr.

Many people who go OTD definitely use that excuse, though I'm not entirely convinced that it's always true. Nobody is brought up in a perfect environment. Nobody grows up with perfect parents, teachers, counselors and friends. Everyone goes through some abuse growing up, someone is going to be mean to you, or bully you, or put you down during your childhood years.

Oddly, two classmates of mine, brilliant guys, went OTD because they had issues with their belief in G-d. They probably know more Talmud and Halacha than most people. Both of these guys maintain a strong connection with their families and friends.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 11, 2015, 09:27:00 AM
Threads that end up way OTD
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 11, 2015, 09:57:54 AM
Many people who go OTD definitely use that excuse, though I'm not entirely convinced that it's always true. Nobody is brought up in a perfect environment. Nobody grows up with perfect parents, teachers, counselors and friends. Everyone goes through some abuse growing up, someone is going to be mean to you, or bully you, or put you down during your childhood years.

Oddly, two classmates of mine, brilliant guys, went OTD because they had issues with their belief in G-d. They probably know more Talmud and Halacha than most people. Both of these guys maintain a strong connection with their families and friends.


I'd say with some confidence that if it weren't for the easy way out, being lazy, and taivos they'd still be frum.

Lots of people say they are going off because they have hashkafic issues but I found more often than not something else is the real drive behind those hashkafic issues.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Menachem613 on March 11, 2015, 10:00:59 AM

I'd say with some confidence that if it weren't for the easy way out, being lazy, and taivos they'd still be frum.

Lots of people say they are going off because they have hashkafic issues but I found more often than not something else is the real drive behind those hashkafic issues.

How do you explain those who follow Halacha but don't believe?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 11, 2015, 10:04:33 AM
How do you explain those who follow Halacha but don't believe?
Is that who we were talking about? Or you are asking a different question than what we are discussing above?

I think that's a different topic for a different thread. Feel free to start it.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 11, 2015, 10:22:15 AM
Many people who go OTD definitely use that excuse, though I'm not entirely convinced that it's always true. Nobody is brought up in a perfect environment. Nobody grows up with perfect parents, teachers, counselors and friends. Everyone goes through some abuse growing up, someone is going to be mean to you, or bully you, or put you down during your childhood years.

There's a huge difference between an imperfect environment and abuse.
I can't help but believe the countless therapists and others working in this field that claim abuse is a very significant factor if not the most.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 11, 2015, 11:44:24 AM
There is no question that people who have severely negative emotional experience of any kind will find it easier to leave. Some get over it; some don't. But if somebody was exposed to really emotionally unhealthy stuff, it definitely presents a challenge to their staying in the fold. I believe that to some extent we ALL go through this at some point or even a few points.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 11, 2015, 12:26:13 PM
There is no question that people who have severely negative emotional experience of any kind will find it easier to leave. Some get over it; some don't. But if somebody was exposed to really emotionally unhealthy stuff, it definitely presents a challenge to their staying in the fold. I believe that to some extent we ALL go through this at some point or even a few points.
key words: "to some extent"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 11, 2015, 12:27:34 PM
key words: "to some extent"
Everything is on a spectrum.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 11, 2015, 01:01:03 PM
Everything is on a spectrum.
Thank you Kinsey.

Another biggy for GOTD
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 11, 2015, 01:01:28 PM
Thank you Kinsey.
As in the report?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 11, 2015, 01:02:14 PM
As in the report?
As in the spectrum/scale. See my edit.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 15, 2015, 01:12:52 AM
Drinking the wine or grape juice from Havdala.
That's the last thing I want after eating a whole Shabbos.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 15, 2015, 01:14:42 AM
Drinking the wine or grape juice from Havdala.
That's the last thing I want after eating a whole Shabbos.
Nope. I'll drink wine anywhere anytime. Next time just have a small shalos sudos and the wine wont be so bad...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 15, 2015, 01:52:24 AM
Drinking the wine or grape juice from Havdala.
That's the last thing I want after eating a whole Shabbos.
Make it in coffee like I do.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 15, 2015, 02:12:26 AM
Wearing seamed stockings.
Shaving before Mikvah.
Tznius police.
Abusive rabbeim.

(do these belong in a different thread?)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Myccrabbi on March 15, 2015, 02:19:33 AM
Wearing seamed stockings.
Shaving before Mikvah.
Tznius police.
Abusive rabbeim.

(do these belong in a different thread?)
Yes, iirc there was the shaved head thread and some other one.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 15, 2015, 02:23:41 AM
Sherry casks.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 15, 2015, 02:24:05 AM
Sherry casks.
Get a better rav ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on March 15, 2015, 02:52:26 AM


Get a different rav ;)

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chaikel on March 15, 2015, 05:48:24 AM
People who quote psakim of R Moshe, when all it really is, is someone who got a haskama from R Moshe's Son
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on March 15, 2015, 05:54:56 AM


People who quote psakim of R Moshe, when all it really is, is someone who got a psak from R Moshe's Son...
...And likely misconstrued it in the process

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chaikel on March 15, 2015, 06:56:33 AM
...And likely misconstrued it in the process


Oooh, we can start a whole thread on those stories
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hocker on March 16, 2015, 09:15:12 AM
No matter the reason; Cholent is the counterargument!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 16, 2015, 09:40:26 AM
No matter the reason; Cholent is the counterargument!
Cholent is actually my reason.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 16, 2015, 09:49:57 AM
Cholent is actually my reason.
+1

There are a handful that I have liked but the overwhelming majority are just gross mush.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on March 16, 2015, 09:54:48 AM
+1

There are a handful that I have liked but the overwhelming majority are just gross mush.
The mush ones are called goulash.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yoruel on March 16, 2015, 10:22:07 AM
Weekday shachris that takes 1 hour(non Monday & Thursday)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 16, 2015, 10:28:27 AM
Weekday shachris that takes 1 hour(non Monday & Thursday)
no reason to go OTD
just find another shul
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 16, 2015, 10:30:12 AM
no reason to go OTD
just find another shul
You're being too serious today.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 16, 2015, 10:42:14 AM
You're being too serious today.
haha where else?
monday morning at work, cut me some slack  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 16, 2015, 11:20:01 AM
haha where else?
monday morning at work, cut me some slack  :)
In the redcard resale thread(s).
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 16, 2015, 12:52:10 PM
No matter the reason; Cholent is the counterargument!

Poilisher.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avremie on March 16, 2015, 02:08:15 PM
The guy who never ever brought his own shampoo to the mikva.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 16, 2015, 02:08:43 PM
In the redcard resale thread(s).

that guy was being annoying
and no incentive to buy off him
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 16, 2015, 02:10:26 PM
The guy who never ever brought his own shampoo to the mikva.
He's not as bad as the guy who never brought his own bar of soap, who was still better than the guy who didn't bring his own towel...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 16, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
The guy who never ever brought his own shampoo to the mikva.

He's not as bad as the guy who never brought his own bar of soap, who was still better than the guy who didn't bring his own towel...
😮 Guilty as charged. Didn't know that turns people off from Judaism.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 16, 2015, 02:28:50 PM
He's not as bad as the guy who never brought his own bar of soap, who was still better than the guy who didn't bring his own towel...
Achas? You bring a towel? Misnaged.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 16, 2015, 02:34:16 PM
Achas? You bring a towel? Misnaged.
It doesn't help that you are contradicting my earlier post (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=49535.msg1062778#msg1062778) >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 16, 2015, 02:38:20 PM
It doesn't help that you are contradicting my earlier post (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=49535.msg1062778#msg1062778) >:(
Was this kind of talk not for a pubic forum? ::)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on March 17, 2015, 10:04:45 PM
Long Aleinu and no one says Kaddish after.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 17, 2015, 10:37:04 PM
Long Aleinu and no one says Kaddish after.
What's a "long Aleinu"? Like camp style singing all the words of both paragraphs?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on March 17, 2015, 10:41:03 PM
What's a "long Aleinu"? Like camp style singing all the words of both paragraphs?
No. When it's when the Chazzan takes a few minutes tI'll he says v'nemar and there's no kaddish after so you didn't really need to wait for it.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 17, 2015, 10:43:29 PM
No. When it's when the Chazzan takes a few minutes tI'll he says v'nemar and there's no kaddish after so you didn't really need to wait for it.
Oh, like when the chazan wants to seem all spiritual?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 17, 2015, 11:26:34 PM
Oh, like when the chazan wants to seem all spiritual?
Or is spiritual?! Dam likaf zechus!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 17, 2015, 11:27:32 PM
Or is spiritual?! Dam likaf zechus!
if he is spiritual he would follow the halachos of tircha d'tzibura
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 17, 2015, 11:29:15 PM
if he is spiritual he would follow the halachos of tircha d'tzibura
Maybe YOU go to fast...? lets not argue. We all hate that here.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 17, 2015, 11:52:23 PM
Or is spiritual?! Dam likaf zechus!
Blood on the side of merit?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 17, 2015, 11:53:33 PM
Blood on the side of merit?
Or if hes right then thiers no blood. Theres just people doing it wrong.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 17, 2015, 11:55:24 PM
Or if hes right then thiers no blood. Theres just people doing it wrong.
I really couldn't read your sentences.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 17, 2015, 11:59:08 PM
Blood on the side of merit?
I thought he meant that the blood in the spoon is a merit like the korban pesach
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 18, 2015, 12:01:48 AM
I really couldn't read your sentences.
I did have a few shots tonight. But I still think what i wrote makes sense
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 18, 2015, 12:02:36 AM
I thought he meant that the blood in the spoon is a merit like the korban pesach
I must be missing some limud...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: solls108 on March 18, 2015, 12:03:20 AM
Sherry casks is fair game
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on March 18, 2015, 01:55:06 AM
I'd say with some confidence that if it weren't for the easy way out, being lazy, and taivos they'd still be frum.

Lots of people say they are going off because they have hashkafic issues but I found more often than not something else is the real drive behind those hashkafic issues.
Personally I feel that, on the most part, taivos are not a reason to go off because one can indulge and still be part of the fold. All one has to do is wear a different color kippa and "his" rabbi says it's permitted. IMO to go totally off there has to be real negative feelings.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 18, 2015, 09:02:46 AM
I must be missing some limud...
What is a kaf?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 18, 2015, 09:48:21 AM
Personally I feel that, on the most part, taivos are not a reason to go off because one can indulge and still be part of the fold. All one has to do is wear a different color kippa and "his" rabbi says it's permitted. IMO to go totally off there has to be real negative feelings.
There are some things even the most liberal Rabbi's do not allow. There is also a reason majority of OTD's are single people...

If it was based on hashkafa that shouldn't change being married with a family or not...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 18, 2015, 09:54:24 AM
I Think you're both partially right.  No one goes off just because of hsshkafic issues. But if they had a positive experience with yidishkiet the tavos wouldn't lead them off either.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 18, 2015, 09:56:24 AM
I Think you're both partially right.  No one goes off just because of hsshkafic issues. But if they had a positive experience with yidishkiet the tavos wouldn't lead them off either.
I think JJ is saying there's a certain class of Ta'avos that you would need an EXTREMELY strong Hashkafa to keep you in (and even then there are no guarantees...)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 18, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
I think JJ is saying there's a certain class of Ta'avos that you would need an EXTREMELY strong Hashkafa to keep you in (and even then there are no guarantees...)
Right, but his also saying that people go otd bevayse they want to fulfill that tava
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 18, 2015, 10:03:54 AM
What is a kaf?

Different concave receptacles can be called "kaf."
A spoon, or the palm of your hand, or the tray of a scale.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 18, 2015, 10:06:44 AM
Different concave receptacles can be called "kaf."
A spoon, or the palm of your hand, or the tray of a scale.


Hence it depends on the context. Judgment goes on a scale, blood goes in a spoon...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 18, 2015, 10:07:09 AM
I think JJ is saying there's a certain class of Ta'avos that you would need an EXTREMELY strong Hashkafa to keep you in (and even then there are no guarantees...)
I heard a vort (but since I only heard it and didn't see it in a reputable sefer I will NOT say it b'sheim "omro") that if you would be mesareis an epikoros he would become ois-epikoros.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Menachem613 on March 18, 2015, 10:57:22 AM

No one goes off just because of hsshkafic issues.

How do you know?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 18, 2015, 10:58:34 AM
How do you know?
I retract the "no one".
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on March 18, 2015, 06:21:46 PM
(Most) Pareve ice cream.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 18, 2015, 06:23:00 PM
(Most) Pareve ice cream.
Try Abe's
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 18, 2015, 06:42:36 PM
There are some things even the most liberal Rabbi's do not allow. There is also a reason majority of OTD's are single people...

If it was based on hashkafa that shouldn't change being married with a family or not...
Bad argument. It's far more difficult to go otd when married with children, regardless of the reason.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on March 18, 2015, 07:21:27 PM
Yes but what does staying on the derech because of your children say about your personal hashkofos and relationship with Hashem....
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SMS331 on March 18, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
Aspen tissues
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yakrot on March 18, 2015, 07:41:52 PM
Yeshiva suppers
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 18, 2015, 07:42:17 PM
Is OTD just for Judaism?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yakrot on March 18, 2015, 07:43:27 PM
Is OTD just for Judaism?
Would have to ask the op what his original intentions where, but I've been assuming yes.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 18, 2015, 08:03:31 PM
Is OTD just for Judaism?
I'd ask someone who wasn't jewish
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 18, 2015, 08:05:54 PM
I'd ask someone who wasn't jewish
The answer would be no. I should said this thread.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Tankchucker on March 18, 2015, 08:17:14 PM
Bad argument. It's far more difficult to go otd when married with children, regardless of the reason.
I think that you missed his point.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 18, 2015, 08:18:29 PM
Aspen tissues
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 22, 2015, 06:58:59 PM
I think that you missed his point.
I don't think so. Care to be more specific?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 22, 2015, 07:02:03 PM
I don't think so. Care to be more specific?
His point is that there are some people who just aren't "oriented" towards marriage and having children...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 22, 2015, 07:35:18 PM
His point is that there are some people who just aren't "oriented" towards marriage and having children...
Did you see which post I responded to? The issue is whether people go otd because of taavos or because of hashkafa.

JJ said the fact that more people go otd single is a raaya that it's taavos.

I argued that it's not a raaya because it's easier to go otd when single no matter what the reason.

Sorry for beating dead horse, just wanted to vindicate my post.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 22, 2015, 08:33:30 PM
Did you see which post I responded to? The issue is whether people go otd because of taavos or because of hashkafa.

JJ said the fact that more people go otd single is a raaya that it's taavos.

I argued that it's not a raaya because it's easier to go otd when single no matter what the reason.

Sorry for beating dead horse, just wanted to vindicate my post.
OK SO I guess it was just regular miscommunication. JJ was talking about something else and wasn't responding to your point.

But yeah, let's move on and try to find all the REAL reasons people go OTD. :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 22, 2015, 08:56:27 PM
Surprised no one mentioned Cholov Aku"m yet. Where's Freddy?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 22, 2015, 09:00:16 PM
Surprised no one mentioned Cholov Aku"m yet. Where's Freddy?
Drinking your negel vasser

-The Rosh
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 22, 2015, 09:06:38 PM
Surprised no one mentioned Cholov Aku"m yet. Where's Freddy?
I was going to take your bait but decided against turning this into a PC thread
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 22, 2015, 09:10:25 PM
I was going to take your bait but decided against turning this into a PC thread
It was honestly in good humor, an inside joke with Freddy...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 22, 2015, 09:12:06 PM
It was honestly in good humor, an inside joke with Freddy...
I think I once got dragged into one of those and decided it was useless to do it again
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Tankchucker on March 22, 2015, 10:09:16 PM
My $270 Hat blowing off from the wind 3+ times a day.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on March 22, 2015, 10:27:26 PM


My $270 Hat.

FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 23, 2015, 02:21:26 AM
Surprised no one mentioned Cholov Aku"m yet. Where's Freddy?
Was in transit all day. So are we starting a new conversation about cholov akum?  ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on March 23, 2015, 05:23:57 AM
Was in transit all day. So are we starting a new conversation about cholov akum?  ;)
There is no conversation to be had. Chalav Akum is Assur. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 23, 2015, 06:58:16 AM
There is no conversation to be had. Chalav Akum is Assur. Plain and simple.
-1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 23, 2015, 07:10:23 AM
-1
-1 to your -1
The only Heter was to make a new category called Cholov Stam, but everyone agrees Cholov Akum is Assur.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on March 23, 2015, 09:18:15 AM
My $270 Hat blowing off from the wind 3+ times a day.
Not to mention that the prices never drop. It just gets higher and higher everyday!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on March 23, 2015, 09:48:43 AM
-1 to your -1
The only Heter was to make a new category called Cholov Stam, but everyone agrees Cholov Akum is Assur.
Just want to throw this it because I recently learnt the sugya. All Rishonim and Achronim hold that chalav stam is muttar except for the chasam sofer and for some reason we all follow him. R' Moshe's heter is in the Chasam Sofer. #Rant
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 23, 2015, 09:53:06 AM
There is no conversation to be had. Chalav Akum is Assur. Plain and simple.
+100
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 23, 2015, 10:35:42 AM
Just want to throw this it because I recently learnt the sugya. All Rishonim and Achronim hold that chalav stam is muttar except for the chasam sofer and for some reason we all follow him. R' Moshe's heter is in the Chasam Sofer. #Rant
I was just answering good sam's -1 which seemed to imply Chalav Akum was Muttar...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 23, 2015, 10:43:16 AM
When it comes to the din of cholov akum, you're right, there is no discussion to be had.
The discussion is more about the culture of cholov akum.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on March 23, 2015, 11:46:44 AM
Culture in the social sense or the bacterial sense?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 23, 2015, 11:48:08 AM
Culture in the social sense or the bacterial sense?
"Support bacteria. It's the only culture some people have."
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on March 23, 2015, 12:16:09 PM
Married people don't go OTD, they just go Orthoprax...

It was honestly in good humor, an inside joke with Freddy...

Insiders get to call him Freddy?

Culture in the social sense or the bacterial sense?

Like!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 23, 2015, 12:41:28 PM
Culture in the social sense or the bacterial sense?
Depends if we're talking about yogurt.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on March 23, 2015, 09:20:36 PM
Well,  we got through 360 or so posts on a good thread before it went the way of all good threads,  into the milky way :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on March 23, 2015, 09:31:23 PM
LONG SHLEPED OUT DAVENING friday night on a late shabos.

(just happened to me this past week, if i was younger id fashure go OTD)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 23, 2015, 09:34:37 PM
LONG SHLEPED OUT DAVENING friday night on a late shabos.

(just happened to me this past week, if i was younger id fashure go OTD)
How about rabbis speech at the early minyan Fri night ? Or the chazan doing a carlbach style kabalas shabbos. No offense, but I'm not cutting my Friday short for that.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on March 23, 2015, 09:41:07 PM
How about rabbis speech at the early minyan Fri night ? Or the chazan doing a carlbach style kabalas shabbos. No offense, but I'm not cutting my Friday short for that.

rabbi didnt speak but we started hoidi at 730 and left shul at 945...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 23, 2015, 09:57:49 PM
rabbi didnt speak but we started hoidi at 730 and left shul at 945...
Ouch, I'm going otd just reading that.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 23, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
rabbi didnt speak but we started hoidi at 730 and left shul at 945...
That's absolutely crazy. You should have walked out and so should have anybody there wife a wife and kids waiting for them at home.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on March 23, 2015, 10:58:47 PM


How about rabbis speech at the early minyan Fri night ?
Mentioned upthread
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on March 23, 2015, 11:02:18 PM
Mentioned upthread
Iirc the post upthread was talking about rabbi speaking  in general at Fri night minyan. I am referring specifically to speaking at the early minyan thereby making it pointless ( for most people, other than the real tzadukim) in making early shabbos.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: rots5 on March 23, 2015, 11:34:15 PM
That's absolutely crazy. You should have walked out and so should have anybody there wife a wife and kids waiting for them at home.
At a simcha...

though i took quick notes; woke up an hr after it started the next morning.. knew i had time to kill. :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on March 24, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
"Pesach Specials" for $58 at the car wash- and the regular $15 wash is "unavailable".

Also known as price gouging, but who's keeping track anyway?!?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 26, 2015, 03:11:39 AM
"Pesach Specials" for $58 at the car wash- and the regular $15 wash is "unavailable".

Also known as price gouging, but who's keeping track anyway?!?
There aren't any bochurim doing it in the area?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Menachem613 on March 26, 2015, 12:09:52 PM

"Pesach Specials" for $58 at the car wash- and the regular $15 wash is "unavailable".

Also known as price gouging, but who's keeping track anyway?!?

What if you're not Jewish?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 26, 2015, 12:12:38 PM
What if you're not Jewish?
Then you wait a week and prices go back to normal.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chaikel on March 26, 2015, 06:38:20 PM
When it comes to the din of cholov akum, you're right, there is no discussion to be had.
The discussion is more about the culture of cholov akum.
I much prefer cholov parah
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 26, 2015, 07:13:24 PM
Three day Yomtovs. That is all.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 26, 2015, 07:33:34 PM
I much prefer cholov parah

That would be chaleiv parah, like "chaleiv imo."
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 26, 2015, 07:37:55 PM


That would be chaleiv akum, like "chaleiv imo."
FTFY

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 26, 2015, 07:43:22 PM
That would be chaleiv parah, like "chaleiv imo."
If you're going to go all Dikduk on us then I'll tell you that technically it should also be Chaleiv Akum and Chaleiv Yisroel...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 26, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
If you're going to go all Dikduk on us then I'll tell you that technically it should also be Chaleiv Akum and Chaleiv Yisroel...
Why? Should yeshiva bochur be yeshivas bochur?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 26, 2015, 07:48:54 PM
Why? Should yeshiva bochur be yeshivas bochur?
Yeshiva Bachur is Yiddish, In Hebrew it's Bachur Yeshivah.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zevi on March 26, 2015, 08:59:29 PM
Dikduk !
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 26, 2015, 09:00:01 PM
Dikduk !
You're adding that to the list?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zevi on March 26, 2015, 09:00:56 PM

You're adding that to the list?
yes
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 26, 2015, 09:14:26 PM
yes
No need, I know plenty of people On The Derech who are clueless when it comes to Dikduk...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on March 26, 2015, 09:33:50 PM
No need, I know plenty of people On The Derech who are clueless when it comes to Dikduk...
Now I'm confused! Is OTD, on the derech?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 26, 2015, 10:01:08 PM
Now I'm confused! Is OTD, on the derech?
Usually it means Off. That's why in this case he spelled it out, so you'd know that he meant On.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on March 27, 2015, 10:25:32 AM
Three day Yomtovs. That is all.

Funny you say that now that Pesach doesn't even have Shabbbos Chol Hamoed...

Dikduk !

+1, M'lrah and m'le'eyl are enough to derail me, not just OTD, but off my rocker too...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on March 27, 2015, 10:45:17 AM


Funny you say that now that Pesach doesn't even have Shabbbos Chol Hamoed...

I guess some people plan 7 weeks ahead
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 27, 2015, 11:55:31 AM
+1, M'lrah and m'le'eyl are enough to derail me, not just OTD, but off my rocker too...
rochel ba'ah im hatzon... every year.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avremie on March 27, 2015, 02:10:00 PM



+1, M'lrah and m'le'eyl are enough to derail me, not just OTD, but off my rocker too...
There are plenty of people that not getting m'lrah mle'eyl correct can make them go off their rockers.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 27, 2015, 03:28:32 PM
Funny you say that now that Pesach doesn't even have Shabbbos Chol Hamoed...


That's true. But I am referring to three day Yomtov's in general... like this past Tishrei.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on March 28, 2015, 02:04:35 PM
Three day Yomtovs. That is all.
That's what keeps me on the derech
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 28, 2015, 09:24:28 PM
Milt's being closed on Sat night.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 28, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
Milt's being closed on Sat night.
;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 28, 2015, 09:45:40 PM
Milt's being closed on Sat night.
...and add this: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=5154.msg1103567#msg1103567
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Matovu on March 29, 2015, 02:17:44 PM
Buying a hat for my son in BP and get charged an extra 15.00 dollars for using a CC.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avremie on March 29, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Buying a hat for my son in BP and get charged an extra 15.00 dollars for using a CC.
I guess its one of the on the derech perks not to get charged ... When you pay in cash.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on March 29, 2015, 03:01:34 PM
Three day Yomtovs. That is all.
The power is in your hands...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CS91 on March 29, 2015, 03:48:26 PM
I guess its one of the on the derech perks not to get charged ... When you pay in cash.

...thereby enabling the owner of the store to cheat on his taxes...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yakrot on March 29, 2015, 03:51:09 PM
...thereby enabling the owner of the store to cheat on his taxes...
It's none if your business what he does with the cash (maybe this is more befitting of the ethics thread but if he offers you a cheaper price to pay cash I don't think you have to worry about why... Even if it's obvious)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: CS91 on March 29, 2015, 03:54:17 PM
It's none if your business what he does with the cash (maybe this is more befitting of the ethics thread but if he offers you a cheaper price to pay cash I don't think you have to worry about why... Even if it's obvious)

Never said it is. If he offers a better price if you pay cash, I agree that it isn't on you if he goes on to understate his revenue. Just pointing out that by charging $15 to use a CC (which is illegal in itself), he's making it blatantly clear.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Matovu on March 29, 2015, 03:56:20 PM
It's none if your business what he does with the cash (maybe this is more befitting of the ethics thread but if he offers you a cheaper price to pay cash I don't think you have to worry about why... Even if it's obvious)
Its been proven over and over that using a card is benefiting the owner as people spend more and easier, ao its in his own good to accept.
He is obviously stingy to pay the 2 percent visa is charging him and as a frum owner (aka cheap jew) found a way to nickel and dime his customer before pesach.

When will they learn ?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 29, 2015, 04:03:31 PM
Its been proven over and over that using a card is benefiting the owner as people spend more and easier, ao its in his own good to accept.
He is obviously stingy to pay the 2 percent visa is charging him and as a frum owner (aka cheap jew) found a way to nickel and dime his customer before pesach.

When will they learn ?
Whoa. This isn't youtube.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Matovu on March 29, 2015, 04:08:13 PM
Whoa. This isn't youtube.
Im angry and we are in JS territory,
An AA is allowed to make fun of his heritage
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 29, 2015, 04:11:21 PM
Im angry and we are in JS territory,
An AA is allowed to make fun of his heritage
That's what the New Yorker said.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on March 30, 2015, 09:52:13 AM
That's true. But I am referring to three day Yomtov's in general... like this past Tishrei.

I'd say Pesach's schedule this year (in Chu"l) is an OTD-trigger for working people, no weekend/break for three weeks straight since Pesach eats up two consecutive weekends...

Buying a hat for my son in BP and get charged an extra 15.00 dollars for using a CC.

This is just a sebset of the overall bad service/policies in the old-school shops in frum communities. The new-school shops will put them out of business, it's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yordai Dooma on March 30, 2015, 09:54:05 AM
I'd say Pesach's schedule this year (in Chu"l) is an OTD-trigger for working people, no weekend/break for three weeks straight since Pesach eats up two consecutive weekends...
To some, it is actually preferable! Doesn't use up their vacation days, no huge amounts of emails when getting back
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on March 30, 2015, 09:55:44 AM
To some, it is actually preferable! Doesn't use up their vacation days, no huge amounts of emails when getting back

Paid vacation? I wish! :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 30, 2015, 10:00:27 AM
To some, it is actually preferable! Doesn't use up their vacation days, no huge amounts of emails when getting back
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 30, 2015, 10:01:14 AM
I guess it depends if you work for a Jewish company or not.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 30, 2015, 10:03:28 AM
I guess it depends if you work for a Jewish company or not.
exactly
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JosephM on March 30, 2015, 11:08:29 AM
I guess it depends if you work for a Jewish company or not.

And if you like getting your work done
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 30, 2015, 11:16:03 AM
Pesach "specials" at the carwash...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChAiM'l on March 30, 2015, 11:22:01 AM
Pesach "specials" at the carwash...
"Pesach Specials" for $58 at the car wash- and the regular $15 wash is "unavailable".

Also known as price gouging, but who's keeping track anyway?!?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yakrot on March 30, 2015, 11:44:12 AM
When ppl use pesach cleaning as an excuse to rid thier houses of every ounce of dust. Not differentiating between, pesach cleaning =necessary/ spring cleaning = not necessary
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 30, 2015, 11:58:53 AM
When ppl use pesach cleaning as an excuse to rid thier houses of every ounce of dust. Not differentiating between, pesach cleaning =necessary/ spring cleaning = not necessary
why do you care what they do
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on March 30, 2015, 12:00:12 PM
why do you care what they do
Welcome to DDF...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on March 30, 2015, 12:00:31 PM
Welcome to DDF...
hahaha
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yakrot on March 30, 2015, 12:28:13 PM
why do you care what they do
Because sometimes these ppl have the power to guilt you into helping them with their overly stressed unnecessary cleaning
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Aj3042 on March 30, 2015, 12:33:55 PM
Because sometimes these ppl have the power to guilt you into helping them with their overly stressed unnecessary cleaning
So true...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on March 30, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
Because sometimes these ppl have the power to guilt you into helping them with their overly stressed unnecessary cleaning
You mean like a "female spouse"?  ::)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 30, 2015, 01:29:19 PM
When ppl use pesach cleaning as an excuse to rid thier houses of every ounce of dust. Not differentiating between, pesach cleaning =necessary/ spring cleaning = not necessary
My mother always says, dust is not chometz, and I am not the korban pesach. (She got it from somewhere; I don't remember where) .
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 30, 2015, 02:02:15 PM
You mean like a "female spouse"?  ::)
FTFY  :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 30, 2015, 07:24:57 PM
FTFY  :P
-1 when it comes to pesach it's the women who get nervous about everything
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on March 31, 2015, 12:34:01 AM
-1 when it comes to everything it's the women who get nervous about everything

ftfy
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 31, 2015, 12:35:47 AM
ftfy
No I did not mean to say that
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: cozmohoot on April 01, 2015, 10:02:39 PM
I walked out on a burger joint since pre pesach they stopped the specials. They gouge, I got pizza
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lechatchileh ariber on April 01, 2015, 11:06:31 PM
Kosher LePesach cakes
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on April 01, 2015, 11:23:00 PM


Kosher LePesach anything
FTFY.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lechatchileh ariber on April 01, 2015, 11:33:17 PM
Kosher LePesach chametz

FTFM
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 02, 2015, 12:53:12 AM
Kosher LePesach cakes

True, but put those baked goods in some hipster health food "shoppe", advertise it as "gluten free", and then they can easily charge $39.99 for a cake.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on April 02, 2015, 12:54:49 AM
True, but put those baked goods in some hipster health food "shoppe", advertise it as "gluten free", and then they can easily charge $39.99 for a cake.
Why discount from Pesach prices?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 02, 2015, 01:42:39 AM
Why discount from Pesach prices?

Because even hipsters have a limit  :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 02, 2015, 01:46:28 AM
I walked out on a burger joint since pre pesach they stopped the specials. They gouge, I got pizza
Supply and demands pricing isn't strictly by jews
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 02, 2015, 01:47:09 AM
Kosher LePesach cakes
I actually really like pesach rainbow cake
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on April 02, 2015, 01:49:13 AM
I actually really like pesach rainbow cake
Double ugh.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 02, 2015, 01:49:54 AM
I actually really like pesach rainbow cake
Rainbow cakes are the best.
http://www.rainbowcone.com/Menu.html
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 02, 2015, 01:52:23 AM
Rainbow cakes are the best.
http://www.rainbowcone.com/Menu.html
I'm referring more to this http://www.amazon.com/Oh-Famous-Kosher-Passover-Rainbow/dp/B00J2C9GIO
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 02, 2015, 01:55:01 AM
I'm referring more to this http://www.amazon.com/Oh-Famous-Kosher-Passover-Rainbow/dp/B00J2C9GIO
That looks good but mine is a reason to go OTD.  ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on April 02, 2015, 02:21:57 AM
I'm referring more to this http://www.amazon.com/Oh-Famous-Kosher-Passover-Rainbow/dp/B00J2C9GIO
sold out! oh no!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: cozmohoot on April 02, 2015, 07:21:44 AM
Supply and demands pricing isn't strictly by jews
Yeh so then they should take down the big sign with the specials. Also they are open year round, unlike pesach food...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on April 02, 2015, 09:26:56 AM
now a double rainbow cake, that would be good.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lechatchileh ariber on April 02, 2015, 10:45:25 AM
Looking at a mirror before the age of one/teeth
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 02, 2015, 02:05:00 PM
Looking at a mirror before the age of one/teeth
and who got turned off by that?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 02, 2015, 02:49:45 PM
Looking at a mirror before the age of one/teeth

That is an old wives tale.

I recommend that all Jewish schools give a class at a certain age to sort through facts and myths.

Most Pesach paranoia comes from made up chumros that have absolutely no basis in Torah, Halacha, or Jewish Tradition.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 02, 2015, 02:57:17 PM
That is an old wives tale.

I recommend that all Jewish schools give a class at a certain age to sort through facts and myths.

Most Pesach paranoia comes from made up chumros that have absolutely no basis in Torah, Halacha, or Jewish Tradition.


Come on! Everyone knows Moshe Rabeinu double wrapped his staff with aluminum foil before splitting the sea so it shouldn't become Gebrokst...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 02, 2015, 03:04:23 PM
Come on! Everyone knows Moshe Rabeinu double wrapped his staff with aluminum foil before splitting the sea so it shouldn't become Gebrokst...

Just finished doing my cubicle at my office...

(http://i.imgur.com/GrlT7qS.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 02, 2015, 03:05:51 PM
Come on! Everyone knows Moshe Rabeinu double wrapped his staff with aluminum foil before splitting the sea so it shouldn't become Gebrokst...
Double wrapped is enough?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 02, 2015, 03:35:30 PM
Double wrapped is enough?
Yes

Most Pesach paranoia comes from made up chumros that have absolutely no basis in Torah, Halacha, or Jewish Tradition.


Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 02, 2015, 07:57:53 PM
The 10th crumb...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on April 02, 2015, 09:17:29 PM
The 10th crumb...

You're already OTD if you're doing the 10th crumb already :P unless you're not on the east coast for Pesach...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 02, 2015, 09:56:07 PM
You're already OTD if you're doing the 10th crumb already :P unless you're not on the east coast for Pesach...
Just remembering from last year...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: smurf on April 03, 2015, 01:43:35 AM
The 10th crumb...
gosh, happened to me this year
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 03, 2015, 01:49:24 AM
gosh, happened to me this year

I stopped hiding them. I just dump them all in one spot in a pile. There's no "kuntz" in hiding them all over the house.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Myccrabbi on April 03, 2015, 01:58:59 AM
I stopped hiding them. I just dump them all in one spot in a pile. There's no "kuntz" in hiding them all over the house.
Iinm, the "kuntz" is that you should look for chametz, the reason for the crumbs are that it shouldn't be a bracha levatala.
probably 10 pieces in different places makes a person search better.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on April 03, 2015, 02:03:48 AM
gosh, happened to me this year
I stopped hiding them. I just dump them all in one spot in a pile. There's no "kuntz" in hiding them all over the house.
Iinm, the "kuntz" is that you should look for chametz, the reason for the crumbs are that it shouldn't be a bracha levatala.
probably 10 pieces in different places makes a person search better.


Why doesn't making a list solve all this?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 03, 2015, 02:07:53 AM
Iinm, the "kuntz" is that you should look for chametz, the reason for the crumbs are that it shouldn't be a bracha levatala.
probably 10 pieces in different places makes a person search better.
I hear you, but I decided that looking for the little taped up croutons wasn't making me search better for what the bedika is intended to discover; it was just making me search for the tape up croutons better.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 03, 2015, 02:14:10 AM
How often does it happen that you do not find all ten pieces?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on April 03, 2015, 02:30:38 AM
How often does it happen that you do not find all ten pieces?
The better question is- what happens if you find 11?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 03, 2015, 03:33:19 AM
The better question is- what happens if you find 11?
I would say you did an excellent job.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on April 03, 2015, 03:43:37 AM
The better question is- what happens if you find 11?
Happens often. You burn it with the rest.
It just means you really did do a good job "searching" (or a terrible job cleaning all week/month)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 03, 2015, 07:10:36 AM
I stopped hiding them. I just dump them all in one spot in a pile. There's no "kuntz" in hiding them all over the house.
My great grandfather used to do that too, must be a PIT thing ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 03, 2015, 07:16:20 AM
How often does it happen that you do not find all ten pieces?
All the time it became a game to be able to hide them in the most ridiculous places
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 03, 2015, 07:49:20 AM
All the time it became a game to be able to hide them in the most ridiculous places
Why would you not write down all the spots they were put in, just in case
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lubaby on April 03, 2015, 07:58:50 AM
How often does it happen that you do not find all ten pieces?
Why would you not write down all the spots they were put in, just in case
If you have kids..
My 2yo came downstairs with 2 of the pieces of bread and asked for peanut butter.
:)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 03, 2015, 08:00:16 AM
Why would you not write down all the spots they were put in, just in case
We do that too but whoever is doing the bedika doesn't know where they are
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 03, 2015, 08:00:16 AM
If you have kids..:)
Don't understand. What's the reason not to make a list in case you can't find them all
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 03, 2015, 08:01:49 AM
We do that too but whoever is doing the bedika doesn't know where they are
True... But if they can't find it after several hours, you aren't stuck...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 05, 2015, 08:29:11 PM
Everything said before about Chazzanim having too much fun for Hallel, squared for Pesach night...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on April 05, 2015, 10:36:37 PM
Everything said before about Chazzanim having too much fun for Hallel, squared for Pesach night...
Solution = become litvish.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: philbenjoe on April 06, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Sitting through the second seder...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: voby27 on April 06, 2015, 05:22:25 PM
Either a top reason to go otd or to make aliyah
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on April 06, 2015, 10:33:59 PM
Chol hamoed trips.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zevi on April 06, 2015, 10:47:27 PM

Chol hamoed trips.
depends where you are going
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JayR on April 07, 2015, 12:47:15 AM
Sitting through the second seder...
...while your relatives that came from Israel are starting Chol Hamoed ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 07, 2015, 01:01:04 AM
Solution = become litvish.
-1
Takes you guys twice the time to say kaddish and chazaras hashatz. Not worth one extra night of hallel.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on April 07, 2015, 01:39:44 AM
-1
Takes you guys twice the time to say kaddish and chazaras hashatz. Not worth one extra night of hallel.
I'm not sure start you mean, but we do הויכע קדושה. Can't beat that.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 07, 2015, 01:41:26 AM
I'm not sure start you mean
He means we say all the words as opposed to incoherent mumbling
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 07, 2015, 08:59:51 AM
He means we stretch out the words instead if just saying them regularly.

FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 07, 2015, 09:06:30 AM
FTFY
+1000000
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 07, 2015, 09:21:02 AM
FTFY

+1000000
If you spoke to your wife the way you davened (if your part of that crowd) you would likely get beaten as well as possibly no wife anymore!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 07, 2015, 09:25:52 AM
If you spoke to your wife the way you davened (if your part of that crowd) you would likely get beaten as well as possibly no wife anymore!
I grew up and learned in litvishe yeshivas and I hate the way the words are drawn out just to kvetch I'm not saying everyone should daven quickly but don't kvetch thru davening especially not hallel
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 07, 2015, 09:28:25 AM
I grew up and learned in litvishe yeshivas and I hate the way the words are drawn out just to kvetch I'm not saying everyone should daven quickly but don't kvetch thru davening especially not hallel
Become a sfardi and you'll appreciate litvaks
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 07, 2015, 09:31:46 AM
Become a sfardi and you'll appreciate litvaks
-1 although I don't appreciate the way sefardim daven and sing at least they don't krechtz
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 07, 2015, 09:34:26 AM


they don't krechtz
I see you don't daven around them often
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 07, 2015, 09:35:35 AM
Become a sfardi and you'll appreciate litvaks
+1

I see you don't daven around them often

+100
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on April 07, 2015, 09:41:26 AM
I see you don't daven around them often
I haven't daven around them much recently but maybe i appreciate it a little more than you because my father has been teaching in a sefardi yeshiva since I was in about 5th grade
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 07, 2015, 09:48:54 AM
I haven't daven around them much recently but maybe i appreciate it a little more than you because my father has been teaching in a sefardi yeshiva since I was in about 5th grade
I actually daven with them quite often for convenience purposes and I am fine with it.
And as a side note, my wife being an accountant didn't make me enjoy math any more in the slightest
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: tov hashem on April 07, 2015, 02:39:14 PM
Seeing those lines by the pizza shop one hour after pesach
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 07, 2015, 02:46:33 PM
If you spoke to your wife the way you davened (if your part of that crowd) you would likely get beaten as well as possibly no wife anymore!

LOL! What about the Leon Redbone nasal hum that they do?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 07, 2015, 03:58:28 PM
LOL! What about the Leon Redbone nasal hum that they do?
What a way to date yourself!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 07, 2015, 04:38:43 PM
What a way to date yourself!
But isn't it accurate?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: koplonko on April 07, 2015, 10:21:36 PM
Pesach...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 08, 2015, 12:49:47 AM
Pesach...
If pesach makes you go otd, I'd say you're most of the way there.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: philbenjoe on April 08, 2015, 11:07:37 AM
Going skiing ave watch those frum people who "know" how to ski go straight down the mountain with absolutely no control...thinking they are ready for a double black next run..
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 08, 2015, 11:21:15 AM
Going skiing ave watch those frum people who "know" how to ski go straight down the mountain with absolutely no control...thinking they are ready for a double black next run..
If that is what has the ability to push you off the edge then you need to do some serious soul searching
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChAiM'l on April 08, 2015, 11:55:06 AM
If that is what has the ability to push you off the edge then you need to do some serious soul searching
As opposed to the previous 500 posts - those are all valid causes to go OTD?

I think most people mistake this for the "Pet Peeve" thread.
Title: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on April 08, 2015, 12:02:03 PM
As opposed to the previous 500 posts - those are all valid causes to go OTD?

I think most people mistake this for the "Pet Peeve" thread.

+1 was thinking the same thing, most of the "religious" things are just the things in Judaism that are underappreciated generally from a lack of knowledge and understanding of what it really is...I think shalus seudus is the perfect example.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 08, 2015, 12:21:24 PM
People are taking this thread way too seriously, it's a joke thread, as evidenced by the ;) icon...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 08, 2015, 03:28:41 PM
People are taking this thread way too seriously, it's a joke thread, as evidenced by the ;) icon...
I guess there is no hope for some.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on April 08, 2015, 03:41:53 PM
I guess there is no hope for some.
What are your reasons for going OTD?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 08, 2015, 03:53:04 PM
What are your reasons for going OTD?
All the rules and regulations. This isn't the IRS.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on April 08, 2015, 03:55:24 PM
All the rules and regulations. This isn't the IRS.
:P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 05:47:01 PM
Seeing those lines by the pizza shop one hour after pesach

In a way, this is very profound.

If you think about it, why do Frummies clamor for pizza right after Pesach? Doesn't it make a statement that says something like "We were severely deprived of proper food, and now we are pushing and shoving to get some"?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avremie on April 08, 2015, 05:55:49 PM
In a way, this is very profound.

If you think about it, why do Frummies clamor for pizza right after Pesach? Doesn't it make a statement that says something like "We were severely deprived of proper food, and now we are pushing and shoving to get some"?
Don't some people have a minhag to davka use beer for havdala after pesach?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on April 08, 2015, 06:12:25 PM
Don't some people have a minhag to davka use beer for havdala after pesach?
yes, to show that we were abstaining for mitzvah reasons, not taste. Different than standing in line pushing for pizza.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 08, 2015, 06:49:58 PM
yes, to show that we were abstaining for mitzvah reasons, not taste. Different than standing in line pushing for pizza.

Makes the same point...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on April 08, 2015, 07:23:17 PM
In a way, this is very profound.

If you think about it, why do Frummies clamor for pizza right after Pesach? Doesn't it make a statement that says something like "We were severely deprived of proper food, and now we are pushing and shoving to get some"?

I think it has so much more to do with the fact that you're told you can't have it, as the line goes, "If I can't then I must"... I go weeks without Pizza but obviously I crave it so much more this week
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: philbenjoe on April 08, 2015, 07:30:21 PM
If that is what has the ability to push you off the edge then you need to do some serious soul searching
it's the scene of wild reckless guys going straight down dressed like...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 07:55:44 PM
Makes the same point...

The only point it makes is that people feel that Pesach has deprived them of normal food. The Yomtov which we proclaim as "Zman Cheiruseinu" makes some Yidden feel exactly the opposite.

Also, more Chumros = less Cheirus.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 08, 2015, 07:57:49 PM
it's the scene of wild reckless guys going straight down dressed like...
Dressed like what? Are you talking about the disco looking dudes with the gel in their hair? Or the guys with shmoina begoodim? Which type is it that bothers you to see pushing for pizza?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 08, 2015, 07:58:23 PM
The only point it makes is that people feel that Pesach has deprived them of normal food. The Yomtov which we proclaim as "Zman Cheiruseinu" makes some Yidden feel exactly the opposite.

Also, more Chumros = less Cheirus.
That's how you look at it, the Berditchever might have seen the same scene and said look how these people are ready to kill for a slice of pizza yet they abstained for 8 days straight...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 07:59:00 PM
Dressed like what? Are you talking about the disco looking dudes with the gel in their hair? Or the guys with shmoina begoodim? Which type is it that bothers you to see pushing for pizza?

I believe you have confused two separate conversations.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on April 08, 2015, 07:59:33 PM
That's how you look at it, the Berditchever might have seen the same scene and said look how these people are ready to kill for a slice of pizza yet they abstained for 8 days straight...

+1000!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 07:59:55 PM
That's how you look at it, the Berditchever might have seen the same scene and said look how these people are ready to kill for a slice of pizza yet they abstained for 8 days straight...

Hahahahaha thanks for the laugh!  ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 08, 2015, 08:01:01 PM
In a way, this is very profound.

If you think about it, why do Frummies clamor for pizza right after Pesach? Doesn't it make a statement that says something like "We were severely deprived of proper food, and now we are pushing and shoving to get some"?
An exaggeration?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 08:02:07 PM
An exaggeration?

I can assure you sir, that this is most certainly not an exaggeration.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 08, 2015, 08:03:28 PM
I can assure you sir, that this is most certainly not an exaggeration.
What would they do for a juicy steak, kill someone?  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 08, 2015, 08:04:26 PM
What would they do for a juicy steak, kill someone?  :)
By the end of Pesach, nobody cares about steak.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 08, 2015, 08:04:51 PM
Dressed like what? Are you talking about the disco looking dudes with the gel in their hair? Or the guys with shmoina begoodim? Which type is it that bothers you to see pushing for pizza?
Personally, I get bothered whenever I see grown men go crazy over any food at any time of the year...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 08, 2015, 08:05:26 PM
I believe you have confused two separate conversations.
Well then thanks for sorting it out instead of just making a snippy comment. Now I am less confused. *Sarcasm*
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 08:06:10 PM
What would they do for a juicy steak, kill someone?  :)

Nope, they can have steak on Pesach. (unlesss they don't eat processed foods, in which case they have nothing to season it with...)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on April 08, 2015, 08:10:45 PM
Well then thanks for sorting it out instead of just making a snippy comment. Now I am less confused. *Sarcasm*

Quote from: philbenjoe on Today at 11:07:37 AM
Going skiing ave watch those frum people who "know" how to ski go straight down the mountain with absolutely no control...thinking they are ready for a double black next run..

If that is what has the ability to push you off the edge then you need to do some serious soul searching

^^The comment was related to a post about Frum people skiing, not about pushing for pizza..
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 08, 2015, 08:12:23 PM
Nope, they can have steak on Pesach. (unlesss they don't eat processed foods, in which case they have nothing to season it with...)
Sorry I can't keep this stuff straight.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 08, 2015, 08:23:46 PM
Quote from: philbenjoe on Today at 11:07:37 AM
Going skiing ave watch those frum people who "know" how to ski go straight down the mountain with absolutely no control...thinking they are ready for a double black next run..

If that is what has the ability to push you off the edge then you need to do some serious soul searching

^^The comment was related to a post about Frum people skiing, not about pushing for pizza..
Skiing while eating pizza! That's ridiculous! Then I agree with OP.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeCha on April 09, 2015, 12:43:01 AM
That's how you look at it, the Berditchever might have seen the same scene and said look how these people are ready to kill for a slice of pizza yet they abstained for 8 days straight...
;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 09, 2015, 12:50:34 AM


That's how you look at it, the Berditchever might have seen the same scene and said look how these people are ready to kill for a slice of pizza yet they abstained for 8 days straight...

And the kotzker might have said look how one slice of pizza can undo 8 days of abstinence.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2015, 01:38:53 AM
Personally, I get bothered whenever I see grown men go crazy over any food at any time of the year...
On that note...

Buffet kiddush lines where it seems people haven't had food in weeks.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on April 09, 2015, 02:47:30 AM
saying כאלה with the בעל קורה and people giving you looks, ... מנהג אבותינו
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2015, 02:52:59 AM
On a Pesach many years ago in Chabad PSP there was a Satmar guy who leined and had the best כאלה ever.
Had the whole shul saying it with him every time.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on April 09, 2015, 06:35:52 AM
On a Pesach many years ago in Chabad PSP there was a Satmar guy who leined and had the best כאלה ever.
Had the whole shul saying it with him every time.
I didn't even get past the first sentence and I'm already back On The Derech.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on April 09, 2015, 07:23:48 AM
On that note...

Buffet kiddush lines where it seems people haven't had food in weeks.
+1

saying כאלה with the בעל קורה
+1
and people giving you looks, ... מנהג אבותינו
-1
As a Ba'al Kriah, this is one of the most annoying.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on April 09, 2015, 10:18:14 AM
Apparently none of you have seen a pesach hotel food scene bc the pizza line after pesach doesn't come close if that makes you otd don't go near a pesach hotel
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on April 09, 2015, 11:21:54 AM
saying כאלה with the בעל קורה and people giving you looks, ... מנהג אבותינו


-1
As a Ba'al Kriah, this is one of the most annoying.
+a lot.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on April 09, 2015, 11:25:42 AM
Apparently none of you have seen a pesach hotel food scene bc the pizza line after pesach doesn't come close if that makes you otd don't go near a pesach hotel
Truth be told the non-gebroktz matzah balls, pizza, and pancakes were better than the chometz versions at Smilow last year.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on April 09, 2015, 07:59:43 PM
Apparently none of you have seen a pesach hotel food scene bc the pizza line after pesach doesn't come close if that makes you otd don't go near a pesach hotel
I've been in a hotel where the mashgiach banned pizza after pesach because of the tremendous chilul Hashem it caused among the staff.  They had deli and rolls instead
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on April 12, 2015, 11:49:59 PM
Leftovers day after Pesach
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: moko on April 13, 2015, 09:12:12 AM
Apparently none of you have seen a pesach hotel food scene bc the pizza line after pesach doesn't come close if that makes you otd don't go near a pesach hotel
tell me about it... I just finished my first year as head mashgiach. I think that most brachos that are made throughout the day are a bracha shaino tzricha, you should wash by breakfast and bentch before going to sleep since its all one long meal.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AsherO on April 13, 2015, 12:19:20 PM
Apparently none of you have seen a pesach hotel food scene bc the pizza line after pesach doesn't come close if that makes you otd don't go near a pesach hotel

This thread offers cheaper ways for someone looking for a reason to go OTD :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Menachem613 on April 13, 2015, 01:06:51 PM

I've been in a hotel where the mashgiach banned pizza after pesach because of the tremendous chilul Hashem it caused among the staff.  They had deli and rolls instead

It's interesting that they allowed him to decide matters outside of kashrut.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 13, 2015, 01:26:59 PM
This thread offers cheaper ways for someone looking for a reason to go OTD :D
This is DansDeals you're dealing with here...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: moko on April 13, 2015, 04:13:14 PM
It's interesting that they allowed him to decide matters outside of kashrut.
many hashgachos will not give Hashgacha to a venue that doesn't meet their standards in areas other than food (mixed swimming, electronic locks , no eruv , no shabbos elevator etc.) This rav hamachshir seems to have taken it a step further.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: sky121 on April 13, 2015, 04:15:38 PM
many hashgachos will not give Hashgacha to a venue that doesn't meet their standards in areas other than food (mixed swimming, electronic locks , no eruv , no shabbos elevator etc.) This rav hamachshir seems to have taken it a step further.
+1

With this Topic there are certain hechaherim that won't grant restaurants a hechsher if they open motzei pesach.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on April 13, 2015, 04:23:24 PM
+1

With this Topic there are certain hechaherim that won't grant restaurants a hechsher if they open motzei pesach.
Vaad harabbanim of queens
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 13, 2015, 07:11:57 PM
Vaad harabbanim of queens
That's for a different reason which is kashrus related. Not because of the fresserai.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on April 13, 2015, 07:16:34 PM
That's for a different reason which is kashrus related. Not because of the fresserai.
Very curious. Please explain.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 13, 2015, 07:20:48 PM
I know Rabbi Bistritzky A"H from Tzfas used to go around on Shvi'i Shel Pesach to the establishments with his Hechsher and more than once caught an over-eager owner getting a head-start...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 13, 2015, 07:30:37 PM
Very curious. Please explain.

I know Rabbi Bistritzky A"H from Tzfas used to go around on Shvi'i Shel Pesach to the establishments with his Hechsher and more than once caught an over-eager owner getting a head-start...
Yup, that's what happened here many years ago. As a knas, vhq prohibits pizza shops from opening. I know people have tried to undo it over the years but couldn't get through the bureaucracy.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 13, 2015, 07:31:54 PM
Yup, that's what happened here many years ago. As a knas, vhq prohibits pizza shops from opening. I know people have tried to undo it over the years but couldn't get through the bureaucracy.
Collective punishment? IINM R' Bistritzky just took his Hechsher off the offending establishment.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 13, 2015, 07:32:36 PM
Collective punishment? IINM R' Bistritzky just took his Hechsher off the offending establishment.
That's what a sane vaad would do.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on April 13, 2015, 09:05:39 PM
That's what a sane vaad would do.
Its one of the only thing the vhq is makpid on. Most other things they ignore. Though they didn't give a hechsher to a jew who sold his store for shabbos, or a store which had a dance floor that let mixed dancing
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: moko on April 13, 2015, 09:14:10 PM
I know Rabbi Bistritzky A"H from Tzfas used to go around on Shvi'i Shel Pesach to the establishments with his Hechsher and more than once caught an over-eager owner getting a head-start...
head start with what ? Actual chometz and melacha or hachana? Not condoning either, just curious.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on April 13, 2015, 09:15:37 PM
head start with what ? Actual chometz and melacha or hachana? Not condoning either, just curious.
The vhq found someone's mexican worker making pizza. Actual chametz
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 13, 2015, 09:57:33 PM
head start with what ? Actual chometz and melacha or hachana? Not condoning either, just curious.
One of the cases was a pizza shop the other I don't remember.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 13, 2015, 10:01:03 PM
Its one of the only thing the vhq is makpid on. Most other things they ignore. Though they didn't give a hechsher to a jew who sold his store for shabbos, or a store which had a dance floor that let mixed dancing
Every time they refuse to give a hechsher grip reasons like that they end up looking foolish.

There was the "Internet Cafe" they thought would become a hangout for yeshiva guys and girls. Turned out to be a meeting place for chazaq shiurim.

The mixed dancing was another folly. They thought it was a night club because of the disco lights. Turns out bucharians just like disco. They use that place for bar mitzvahs and I've never seen any mixed dancing going on.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 13, 2015, 10:02:44 PM
The vhq found someone's mexican worker making pizza. Actual chametz
I think the store was owned by an Israeli who kept one day.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: doodle on April 15, 2015, 12:18:37 AM
I think the store was owned by an Israeli who kept one day.
??? are you ignorant ?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JayR on April 15, 2015, 12:25:26 AM
head start with what ? Actual chometz and melacha or hachana? Not condoning either, just curious.
A story of hachana this year:

http://www.koshermiami.org/main/pressrelease.php

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1113325#msg1113325
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Ergel on April 15, 2015, 02:37:37 PM
A story of hachana this year:

http://www.koshermiami.org/main/pressrelease.php

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=452.msg1113325#msg1113325
And that is why the VHQ no longer allows stores to open on motzei pesach
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on April 23, 2015, 02:35:24 PM
&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on April 23, 2015, 02:43:55 PM
&feature=youtu.be
Here we go . . .
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on April 23, 2015, 02:52:38 PM
The past week we had a rav give a speech about the kosher switch... and guess who showed up! Menashe kalati!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avadah on April 23, 2015, 03:01:40 PM
The past week we had a rav give a speech about the kosher switch... and guess who showed up! Menashe kalati!
Who was the rav?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on April 23, 2015, 03:03:22 PM
Who was the rav?
Rabbi willig. Forgot his first name
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 24, 2015, 01:15:22 AM
The past week we had a rav give a speech about the kosher switch... and guess who showed up! Menashe kalati!
Did he bring everyone's money to return to them?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on April 24, 2015, 02:27:20 AM
Did he bring everyone's money to return to them?
I'm assuming the speech was on shabbos, you think he uses a shabbos wallet or something like that?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: coralsnake on April 24, 2015, 02:37:32 AM
I'm assuming the speech was on shabbos, you think he uses a shabbos wallet or something like that?
The next kosher app.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DovtheBear on May 03, 2015, 09:13:17 AM
Hearing "Down Under", by Men At Work, for the first time.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: george on May 03, 2015, 11:16:20 AM
Hearing "Down Under", by Men At Work, for the first time.
Lol. I'm drawing a blank, which Jewish song?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 03, 2015, 11:19:02 AM
Lol. I'm drawing a blank, which Jewish song?

Asher bara. There is a whole thread on this.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 03, 2015, 11:25:34 AM
Lol. I'm drawing a blank, which Jewish song?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 03, 2015, 11:32:40 AM


Nu! Sefira...?  ???
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: george on May 03, 2015, 11:35:45 AM
Asher bara. There is a whole thread on this.
Thanks
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on May 07, 2015, 01:16:16 PM
(http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/t5.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 07, 2015, 01:19:04 PM

Now if there was a woman there, now THAT would be a reason to go OTD... :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 07, 2015, 01:20:58 PM
Now if there was a woman there, now THAT would be a reason to go OTD... :P
What's the pic? Some rebbesher entourage in a helicopter? Why do I care? (Honestly asking.)
Title: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Mech on May 07, 2015, 01:28:36 PM
What's the pic? Some rebbesher entourage in a helicopter? Why do I care? (Honestly asking.)
Toldos Avraham Yitzchak Rebbe flying in class to Meiron.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DMYD on May 07, 2015, 01:31:58 PM
What's the pic? Some rebbesher entourage in a helicopter? Why do I care? (Honestly asking.)
If you dont care who would you comment?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on May 07, 2015, 01:33:19 PM
If you dont care who would you comment?
LOLOL

You should put that as your signature.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 07, 2015, 01:33:45 PM
If you dont care who would you comment?
Unintelligible syntax.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on May 07, 2015, 01:37:40 PM
LOLOL

You should put that as your signature.
Never mind. I will.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 07, 2015, 01:41:25 PM
Never mind. I will.

Why did you redact it? It's "who would you comment"?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on May 07, 2015, 01:57:49 PM
Why did you redact it? It's "who would you comment"?
Dude, you never made a typo??
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 07, 2015, 02:07:31 PM
Dude, you never made a typo??
Sure, I have. But why do you assume you know what the typo was? Maybe he meant to write "then who are you to comment?"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on May 07, 2015, 02:16:14 PM
Sure, I have. But why do you assume you know what the typo was? Maybe he meant to write "then who are you to comment?"
Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 07, 2015, 02:29:11 PM
Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
Impressive. Very impressive.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on May 07, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
Occam's Razor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor)
Beautiful

Quote
In the philosophy of religion, Occam's Razor is sometimes applied to the existence of God. William of Ockham himself was a Christian. He believed in God, and in the authority of Scripture; he writes that "nothing ought to be posited without a reason given, unless it is self-evident (literally, known through itself) or known by experience or proved by the authority of Sacred Scripture."[51] Ockham believed that an explanation has no sufficient basis in reality when it does not harmonize with reason, experience, or the Bible. However, unlike many theologians of his time, Ockham did not believe God could be logically proven with arguments. To Ockham, science was a matter of discovery, but theology was a matter of revelation and faith. He states: "only faith gives us access to theological truths. The ways of God are not open to reason, for God has freely chosen to create a world and establish a way of salvation within it apart from any necessary laws that human logic or rationality can uncover."
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on May 07, 2015, 02:45:05 PM
Beautiful
Lol, I was just using it to show that it was more likely that 'why' was changed to 'who' than it was that 'are' was changed to 'would'.

But I guess this is a theological sort of thread, so your selected quote is apropos as well.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on May 07, 2015, 02:45:56 PM
Lol. I know. Was just saying.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on May 07, 2015, 03:03:50 PM
To make a few bucks on ebay?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on May 07, 2015, 03:39:09 PM
Beautiful

+1. Love it!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 07, 2015, 03:40:52 PM
OK Back OT.

My reason for going OTD would have to be being forced to eat the egg from my Areinfirenish...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Freddie on May 07, 2015, 03:41:37 PM
OK Back OT.

My reason for going OTD would have to be being forced to eat the egg from my Areinfirenish...
Bastards!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on May 07, 2015, 05:28:11 PM
OK Back OT.

My reason for going OTD would have to be being forced to eat the egg from my Areinfirenish...
Was it colored?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on May 07, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
Was it colored?
green
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 18, 2015, 03:52:52 PM
This thread. (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52022.0)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on May 18, 2015, 04:55:51 PM
This thread.
 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52022.0)
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52022.msg1148673#msg1148673
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on May 18, 2015, 04:57:14 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52022.msg1148673#msg1148673
ברוך שכיוונתי לדעת גדולים... :P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on May 18, 2015, 04:57:50 PM
ברוך שכיוונתי לדעת גדולים... :P
Hey, I clearly said I was not an expert!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yesitsme on May 18, 2015, 05:07:13 PM
I had OTD neighbors, and או לרשע או לשכנו.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on May 18, 2015, 05:11:07 PM
That's what neighbors i had, (או לרשע או לשכנו).
What?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Chuck2 on May 18, 2015, 07:02:36 PM
Why Teens Go Off the Derech
http://daniel-granovetter.weebly.com/why-teens-go-off-the-derech.html
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on May 18, 2015, 07:56:20 PM
I had OTD neighbors, and או לרשע או לשכנו.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on May 18, 2015, 08:00:09 PM
Why Teens Go Off the Derech
http://daniel-granovetter.weebly.com/why-teens-go-off-the-derech.html
Wow! Although I had a really hard time agreeing with everyone on the Lakewood shabbos thread, I actually agree and feel the same as your link!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: tov hashem on May 18, 2015, 08:17:29 PM
Partially true
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Tankchucker on May 20, 2015, 11:40:03 PM
The selfish guys that practice krias Hatorah in the bais medrish really loud, especially when there's a chader shaini they can do it in.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: koplonko on May 20, 2015, 11:58:41 PM
The selfish guys that practice krias Hatorah in the bais medrish really loud, especially when there's a chader shaini they can do it in.
+1
Yagdil Torah...
(though really they usually don't realise how loud they're getting, you can always remind them 😉)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Tankchucker on May 21, 2015, 12:04:42 AM
+1
Yagdil Torah...
(though really they usually don't realise how loud they're getting, you can always remind them 😉)
Magnets and Israeli's in yagdil Torah is another to go OTD I wish that place would just charge membership to keep em out.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on May 21, 2015, 12:08:03 AM
Such naive comments
Yes-mocking a peaceful chillul shabbos protest is disgusting.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 000 on June 07, 2015, 03:54:35 PM
The frum guy or gal in buying $40,000 of VGCs in stop and shop during the gas promo, and leavin none for anyone else. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Ydad on June 07, 2015, 03:59:05 PM
The frum guy or gal in buying $40,000 of VGCs in stop and shop during the gas promo, and leavin none for anyone else. >:( >:(
How do u know they are frum? Only frum people like free gas?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on June 07, 2015, 04:23:13 PM
How do u know they are frum? Only frum people like free gas?
Only frum people know about free gas, and know how to scale it.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 07, 2015, 04:27:46 PM
The frum guy or gal in buying $40,000 of VGCs in stop and shop during the gas promo, and leavin none for anyone else. >:( >:(
Wow!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: AnonymousUser on June 07, 2015, 04:30:33 PM
Wow!
According to my math, that's only 54 fillups. The guys that sell in Lakewood do that in a few nights.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yehuda57 on June 07, 2015, 04:52:11 PM
That droplet of egg yolk that gets in your beard when you're eating a sunny side up (or other runny egg) and then hardens to make you look like a hobo.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Super Speed on June 07, 2015, 05:19:06 PM
That droplet of egg yolk that gets in your beard when you're eating a sunny side up (or other runny egg) and then hardens to make you look like a hobo.
That would be in the thread "Top reasons not to have a beard"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: etech0 on June 07, 2015, 05:27:38 PM
That would be in the thread "Top reasons not to have a beard"
this?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10713
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yehuda57 on June 07, 2015, 06:16:34 PM
That would be in the thread "Top reasons not to have a beard"
It's Chabad or bust for me.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Ergel on June 08, 2015, 11:44:25 AM
That would be in the thread "Top reasons not to have a beard"
You forgot that the two major tenets of Judaism are "thou shall have a beard" and "thou shall not eat chalav stam"
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: monkey on June 08, 2015, 11:59:06 AM
The smell of tuna and gefilta fish mixed with askinu seidasa by shalosh seudas almost did it for me.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on June 08, 2015, 12:07:23 PM
+1 ;)
Title: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on June 13, 2015, 11:27:37 PM
Anyone want flashiks?
Eta- it's motzi shabbos
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on September 16, 2015, 01:53:17 AM
That guy behind you on Rosh Hashanah that thinks he's on key. And makes sure everyone hears his wonderful davening!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2015, 06:26:47 AM
That guy behind the Amud on Rosh Hashanah that thinks he's on key. And makes sure everyone hears his wonderful davening!
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on September 30, 2015, 09:28:23 AM
Hoshanos after Mussaf
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on September 30, 2015, 09:37:53 AM
Hoshanos after Mussaf
I never got that. Why is after hallel so much better?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on September 30, 2015, 09:38:32 AM

Hoshanos after Mussaf
Was just thinking today how nice it was to Daven nussach sfarad
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on September 30, 2015, 09:39:36 AM
Was just thinking today how nice it was to Daven nussach sfarad
Today is chol hamoed. When was there ever a problem chol hamoed?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on September 30, 2015, 09:43:16 AM
I never got that. Why is after hallel so much better?
Can leave after kedusha with less guilt..
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on September 30, 2015, 09:46:32 AM
Can leave after kedusha with less guilt..
So top reason to go otd is not leaving after kedusha, or feeling guilty about it?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on September 30, 2015, 09:47:20 AM
So top reason to go otd is not leaving after kedusha, or feeling guilty about it?
Guilt is definitely the top reason to go OTD.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on September 30, 2015, 09:48:19 AM

Can leave after kedusha with less guilt..
I stay till the end regardless, even though it's the same length I prefer it before mussuf
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on September 30, 2015, 09:51:59 AM
I stay till the end regardless, even though it's the same length I prefer it before mussuf
So why do prefer it before musaf ?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on September 30, 2015, 09:55:33 AM
I never got that. Why is after hallel so much better?
after Mussaf, it's been a long davening and you just wanna get outta there.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitrap on September 30, 2015, 09:56:04 AM

So why do prefer it before musaf ?
Not sure probably cause the end of musaf feels like the end of davening   
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Mech on September 30, 2015, 10:01:13 AM

I never got that. Why is after hallel so much better?
Because no one wants to take out their lulav and esrog a second time after mussaf.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: sammy n on September 30, 2015, 10:45:21 AM
Because no one wants to take out their lulav and esrog a second time after mussaf.
Stay in israel for succos and you wouldn't have that problem!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Mech on September 30, 2015, 10:58:25 AM

Stay in israel for succos and you wouldn't have that problem!
I was just answering a question. Nothing to do with staying in Israel or not.
I actually was expecting a call from you erev y"t to help you find a ticket to come to america!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: sammy n on September 30, 2015, 11:00:59 AM
I was just answering a question. Nothing to do with staying in Israel or not.
I actually was expecting a call from you erev y"t to help you find a ticket to come to america!
Well in israel they do hallel and hoshanos together so no need to take back out lulav and esrog.

Anyway there was no chance I was going to america for succos!!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Mech on September 30, 2015, 02:01:11 PM

Anyway there was no chance I was going to america for succos!!
Ya sure. Same way you were forsure going to Bejing and Bali......
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: sammy n on September 30, 2015, 03:18:57 PM
Ya sure. Same way you were forsure going to Bejing and Bali......
Or the same way you thought I wasn't going to Thailand and I did!
Title: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Mech on September 30, 2015, 11:26:37 PM
Or the same way you thought I wasn't going to Thailand and I did!
Cause I made that happen. Your welcome for that!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on October 01, 2015, 12:04:18 AM
People having a private conversation on a public forum
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on October 01, 2015, 12:50:38 AM
People having a private conversation on a public forum
Pet peeve candidate, maybe (although it can be interesting) but you gotta do better than that to go otd.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ah on November 06, 2015, 03:32:11 PM
4:26pm shabbos
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: sky121 on November 06, 2015, 03:38:26 PM
It's amazing how you start shabbos just an hour earlier and Friday seems to disappear...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on November 06, 2015, 03:41:10 PM
It's amazing how you start shabbos just an hour earlier and Friday seems to disappear...
It was creeping back for a while
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on November 06, 2015, 04:09:04 PM
4:26pm shabbos
It gets worse
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on November 06, 2015, 04:12:54 PM
It gets worse
Not much
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ah on November 06, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
I end up needing a second dinner when it's so early.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: LoLo on November 06, 2015, 04:26:50 PM
I end up needing a second dinner when it's so early.
Now that's a reason to STAY otd..
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on November 07, 2015, 05:49:49 PM
Hour shalos sudah drashos
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on November 07, 2015, 07:17:54 PM
Shalosh Seudos in the winter.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: David Smith on November 07, 2015, 07:18:43 PM


Shalosh Seudos in shul.
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on November 07, 2015, 08:07:06 PM
Shabbos pajamas
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 07, 2015, 08:07:58 PM
Shabbos pajamas
Pic?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on November 07, 2015, 08:08:30 PM
Pic?
Not allowed in my house so no pic
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on November 07, 2015, 08:11:54 PM
Here you go(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/07/daea1b8fe164bb58cea387d54eeea9c8.jpg)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 07, 2015, 08:13:12 PM
What am I missing. Looks like normal PJ's.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 07, 2015, 08:19:53 PM
Shabbos pajamas
Huh?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JoeyShmoe on November 07, 2015, 08:23:28 PM
Huh?
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dovy2 on November 07, 2015, 09:15:17 PM
Huh?
Maybe in his house, you must have expensive shabbos pjs, and that why he's complaining
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on November 07, 2015, 09:19:24 PM
DW gets some "nicer" PJs for my little kids to wear Friday night instead of changing then into shabbos clothes and then again into PJs. She finds it makes things easier for her so it is with the cost.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on November 07, 2015, 09:33:11 PM
CMIIW but I believe the chassidim call it a "robe" even though it's for boys and doesn't resemble a robe.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: DMYD on November 07, 2015, 09:36:50 PM
CMIIW but I believe the chassidim call it a "robe" even though it's for boys and doesn't resemble a robe.
Wrong
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Super Speed on November 07, 2015, 09:41:30 PM
Here you go(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/11/07/daea1b8fe164bb58cea387d54eeea9c8.jpg)
My kid has these...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on November 07, 2015, 10:24:51 PM
I love shabbos PJs. It makes the kids look adorable.

I don't see why anyone would have a problem with them.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yehuda57 on November 08, 2015, 12:04:25 AM
DDF popcorn threads
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yochiek93 on November 08, 2015, 12:31:11 AM
DDF popcorn threads
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on December 07, 2015, 08:47:26 PM
That moment when you're taking 3 steps back and realize you forgot ותן טל and על הניסים ...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yochiek93 on December 07, 2015, 08:57:50 PM
That moment when you're taking 3 steps back and realize you forgot ותן טל and על הניסים ...
+10000
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on December 07, 2015, 09:01:05 PM
Birchat hamazon this shabbos
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on December 08, 2015, 02:41:52 AM
Birchat hamazon this shabbos
It's dedicated to the less learned ones amongst us.
You start from the beginning and just keep reading until it's finished.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on December 08, 2015, 07:36:16 AM


davening this shabbos

FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Sport on December 08, 2015, 07:44:09 AM

FTFY
That depends on where you daven.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 13, 2015, 07:37:21 AM
Getting the "kibud" of hotzoah, the tzveiteh sefer....
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on December 13, 2015, 07:43:34 AM
Getting the "kibud" of hotzoah, the tzveiteh sefer....
As a guest in the shul where I was davening, I was honored with הוצאה ההכנסה  (and to hold the second Sefer), until the gabai realized that I was replacing the בעל קריאה and he'd have to find someone else to hold it.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on December 13, 2015, 10:17:23 AM
Getting the "kibud" of hotzoah, the tzveiteh sefer....
What's bad about holding the ST?

Reminds me of another pet peeve. The shuls that have the ST holders up on the bima platform. They won't allow you to hold it even you want to. What a bizayon.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on December 13, 2015, 10:34:17 AM
What's bad about holding the ST?

Reminds me of another pet peeve. The shuls that have the ST holders up on the bima platform. They won't allow you to hold it even you want to. What a bizayon.
R Moshe had the same peeve
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on December 18, 2015, 03:09:59 PM
Short Fridays.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: lechatchileh ariber on December 18, 2015, 03:11:26 PM
Short Fridays.
Should've posted 2weeks ago...
Though i do agree
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on December 18, 2015, 03:23:14 PM
That yeshivish guy who sits next to you, who thinks he knows you well enough to shmooze but doesn't. And takes no hint that you where planing on having a peaceful kabolos shabbos (and sneak a nap in too).
He sits in the seat right next to you even thou the rest of table is empty, and bangs away on the table while trying to talk to you at the same time /rant
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on December 19, 2015, 10:48:43 PM
That yeshivish guy who sits next to you, who thinks he knows you well enough to shmooze but doesn't. And takes no hint that you where planing on having a peaceful kabolos shabbos (and sneak a nap in too).
He sits in the seat right next to you even thou the rest of table is empty, and bangs away on the table while trying to talk to you at the same time /rant

sorry, i was trying to make a DO
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on December 19, 2015, 10:51:22 PM
sorry, i was trying to make a DO
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on April 16, 2016, 10:12:56 PM
I went OTD cuz my father didn't do this:


just got this card. it has a tzeilem on it which I couldn't figure out how to get off. I finally used my tefillin ink ;)

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: A3 on April 16, 2016, 10:39:12 PM
I went OTD cuz my father didn't do this:
Then it's a good thing my rebeim used to permanent marker my shirts... Was it Polo or nautica that had one..
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 16, 2016, 10:41:38 PM
Then it's a good thing my rebeim used to permanent marker my shirts... Was it Polo or nautica that had one..
all logos are avodah zarah
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on July 19, 2016, 02:07:06 PM


People not keeping up with the minyan, yet davening a different part of the davening really loud, over the voice of the chazzan.  >:(

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2016, 12:10:41 AM
all logos are avodah zarah
good point  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:20:54 AM
You heard Ivanka is no longer a Jew.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 12:22:00 AM


You heard Ivanka never was a Jew.
FTFY there is no such thing as no longer a Jew
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:31:56 AM
FTFY
According to you.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 12:32:58 AM
According to you.
According to Judaism. I don't think it is a matter of debate in Judaism.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:36:01 AM
According to Judaism. I don't think it is a matter of debate in Judaism.
Wrong thread but she feels she converted. What you or I say doesn't mean squat.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 12:38:39 AM
Wrong thread but she feels she converted. What you or I say doesn't mean squat.
She feels she is a Jew now. Anyone saying otherwise is saying she never was one.

How about someone here illegally who says he feels he is an American? Do we still say that what anyone says about it is meaningless?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on July 20, 2016, 12:40:13 AM
According to Judaism. I don't think it is not a matter of debate in Judaism.
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:47:45 AM
She feels she is a Jew now. Anyone saying otherwise is saying she never was one.

How about someone here illegally who says he feels he is an American? Do we still say that what anyone says about it is meaningless?
One is a legal issue and the other is a Religious issue. I am not judging anyone as this is between her and her G-d. What anyone says or thinks can't change that. I would feel the same way no matter what religion she converted to.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2016, 12:55:04 AM
One is a legal issue and the other is a Religious issue. I am not judging anyone as this is between her and her G-d. What anyone says or thinks can't change that. I would feel the same way no matter what religion she converted to.
Right, but then you can't say she's no longer a Jew either. Aygart is pointing out that there's no off-ramp within Judaism. A Jew is either born a Jew or converted to Judaism - but there's no mechanism for a Jew to become a non-Jew.

The issue that came up recently is only whether or not her conversion would be accepted within the Jewish community, which is distinctly between her and other Jews (ie would her children be considered Jewish and therefore eligible to marry another Jew without converting).
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 01:12:25 AM
Right, but then you can't say she's no longer a Jew either. Aygart is pointing out that there's no off-ramp within Judaism. A Jew is either born a Jew or converted to Judaism - but there's no mechanism for a Jew to become a non-Jew.

The issue that came up recently is only whether or not her conversion would be accepted within the Jewish community, which is distinctly between her and other Jews (ie would her children be considered Jewish and therefore eligible to marry another Jew without converting).
First my OP was made tongue in cheek. As far as the rest all that matters is how she is viewed in G-d's eyes.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: SamKey on July 20, 2016, 04:04:41 AM
First my OP was made tongue in cheek. As far as the rest all that matters is how she is viewed in G-d's eyes.
And God has made it pretty clear what He considers a Jew and what He doesn't
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on July 20, 2016, 08:22:47 AM
And God has made it pretty clear what He considers a Jew and what He doesn't
+1

It's ignorant for you (JTZ) to say she's a Jew without studying the laws of conversion. You say it's a religious question and not a legal question? Judaism is not Catholicism; it's a religion of laws.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on July 20, 2016, 08:30:29 AM
You heard Ivanka is no longer a Jew.
I haven't got time to write an essay but in short, Judaism isn't a religion.
One of the ways that comes into play is that you can't join yourself. You have to be accepted. On the other hand, once your in you can't leave.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 08:38:53 AM
+1

It's ignorant for you (JTZ) to say she's a Jew without studying the laws of conversion. You say it's a religious question and not a legal question? Judaism is not Catholicism; it's a religion of laws.
I am doing my best to not make this about any one religion. Many religions have their own laws/rules. My point is it does not matter if you or I feel someone broke those laws/rules or is not following them. In the end we have no say so in the matter.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on July 20, 2016, 09:32:51 AM
I am doing my best to not make this about any one religion. Many religions have their own laws/rules. My point is it does not matter if you or I feel someone broke those laws/rules or is not following them. In the end we have no say so in the matter.
Good to know how you stand on the whole gender bathroom issue. If someone says they are something than that is what they are.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 09:57:49 AM
One is an issue of secular law and the other is Religious law.
FTFY. Judaism has guidelines about who is a Jew.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 10:03:54 AM
It was tongue and cheek. What part don't you understand?

If you want to have the other discussion start another thread. I would love to hear how any religious law Trump's G-d's law.  :)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 10:17:09 AM
It was tongue and cheek. What part don't you understand?

If you want to have the other discussion start another thread. I would love to hear how any religious law Trump's G-d's law.  :)
who is a Jew is a very serious issue and many here will not take it as a joke.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: A3 on July 20, 2016, 10:19:36 AM
You heard Ivanka is no longer a Jew.
Converted to Islam?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 10:30:11 AM
who is a Jew is a very serious issue and many here will not take it as a joke.
It should be a serious issue and that is why it was hotly debated in another thread. Lets remember that is JS.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
Converted to Islam?
who is a Jew is a very serious issue and many here will not take it as a joke.
:P
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on July 20, 2016, 10:32:34 AM
Converted to Islam?

Doesn't seem like there was any קבלת עול מצוות.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 10:37:29 AM
It should be a serious issue and that is why it was hotly debated in another thread. Lets remember that is JS.
Wasn't that other thread also in JS? I thought JS was reserved for religious discussions.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 10:39:23 AM
I thought DDF was reserved for religious discussions.
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yitz on July 20, 2016, 10:46:57 AM
Doesn't seem like there was any קבלת עול מצוות.
I happen to meet someone around 20 years ago that was converted by the same Rabbi that converted Ivanka and he also was not Mikabel Mitzvos. In my opinion Rabbi L was just interested in the payment he received.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on July 20, 2016, 11:16:43 AM
Doesn't seem like there was any קבלת עול מצוות.
Who told you so? Ms. Trump or Rabbi Lookstein? Or someone else who was there?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: good sam on July 20, 2016, 11:17:55 AM
I am doing my best to not make this about any one religion. Many religions have their own laws/rules. My point is it does not matter if you or I feel someone broke those laws/rules or is not following them. In the end we have no say so in the matter.
But this IS about one religion. You are missing something fundamental about Judaism. It was set up by G-d in way that allows, and requires, human intervention. There are many areas of Jewish law that depend fully upon the actions, declarations and acknowledgements of human beings. Conversion is one of those areas.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yitz on July 20, 2016, 11:32:35 AM
Who told you so? Ms. Trump or Rabbi Lookstein? Or someone else who was there?
As I mentioned i know from another convert that he does not require קבלת עול מצוות.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2016, 11:41:54 AM
I happen to meet someone around 20 years ago that was converted by the same Rabbi that converted Ivanka and he also was not Mikabel Mitzvos. In my opinion Rabbi L was just interested in the payment he received.
Seems like she is very serious about Judiasm. And the parts she doesn't keep (tznius) her whole community doesn't keep. And I've heard that many (big time) poskim (IIRC Rav Moshe and Rav Elyashiv) hold that is enough for a geirus. (Because she doesn't know better, being that her whole community acts that way).
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2016, 11:46:02 AM
As I mentioned i know from another convert that he does not require קבלת עול מצוות.
R Lookstein has said, that he personally doesn't require קבלת עול מצוות, but Ivanka was mekabel.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on July 20, 2016, 11:51:20 AM
R Lookstein has said, that he personally doesn't require קבלת עול מצוות, but Ivanka was mekabel.

And it doesn't seem that it was sincere by judging her public conduct.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on July 20, 2016, 11:52:38 AM
As I mentioned i know from another convert that he does not require קבלת עול מצוות.
A. That would be disgusting to say that someone didn't do kapolas ol mitzvos just because someone else you know was converted by the same Rabbi and didn't do kapolas ol mitzvos.

B. To say that an orthodox Rabbi does conversions without KOM, is like saying an orthodox kashrus agency is giving a hechsher on may that wasn't shechted. There's no way someone can get away with that fit so many decades and I'd venture to say that's false.

Maybe he doesn't require KOM up to your standard. Are you knowledgeable of all the intricate halachos of giyur? What is considered KOM? I'm not, but I know some of them and that I don't know many of them.

PS. This is not at all addressed to you personally rather to all those giving opinions either way on someone else's personal life without even knowing the facts involved.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: farmbochur on July 20, 2016, 11:53:52 AM
Sorry to go OT (or maybe back on topic), but can we add Wrigley Field DO to the list?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2016, 11:56:42 AM
So I'm the outlier if I think she really is Jewish?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 20, 2016, 12:02:14 PM
A. That would be disgusting to say that someone didn't do kapolas ol mitzvos just because someone else you know was converted by the same Rabbi and didn't do kapolas ol mitzvos.

B. To say that an orthodox Rabbi does conversions without KOM, is like saying an orthodox kashrus agency is giving a hechsher on may that wasn't shechted. There's no way someone can get away with that fit so many decades and I'd venture to say that's false.

Maybe he doesn't require KOM up to your standard. Are you knowledgeable of all the intricate halachos of giyur? What is considered KOM? I'm not, but I know some of them and that I don't know many of them.

PS. This is not at all addressed to you personally rather to all those giving opinions either way on someone else's personal life without even knowing the facts involved.
+1 (if you adjust all the typos)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2016, 12:02:21 PM
And it doesn't seem that it was sincere by judging her public conduct.
refer to my post above. many in her community are as religious as her, and that has halachic significance.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2016, 12:03:45 PM

B. To say that an orthodox Rabbi does conversions without KOM, is like saying an orthodox kashrus agency is giving a hechsher on may that wasn't shechted. There's no way someone can get away with that fit so many decades and I'd venture to say that's false.


R Lookstein admits he doesn't think KOM is me'akev.
Do you know that his geiruses were just recently banned in Israel?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on July 20, 2016, 12:12:35 PM
+1 (if you adjust all the typos)
Thanks. I usually read what I type before I post. This time I forgot. The thrills of auto type.

R Lookstein admits he doesn't think KOM is me'akev.
That's what I'm hearing now. And I'll admit and take back some of what I said.

Do you know that his geiruses were just recently banned in Israel?
I'm well aware. That's a whole different story. My personal opinion on the Israeli rabbinical courts and the way it's been politicized is getting lower and lower, but because I lack a lot of inside knowledge on the matter, I try not to voice my opinion to loud.


And about that
Are any news outlets reputable? Some more, some less, but I wouldn't count on anything they say.
As the saying goes, believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you see.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:14:28 PM
So I'm the outlier if I think she really is Jewish?
According to the articles I have been reading you are by far the only one if you think that.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2016, 12:21:19 PM
According to the articles I have been reading you are by far the only one if you think that.
So I guess I'm strange.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:22:24 PM
So I guess I'm strange.
You have lots of company.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on July 20, 2016, 12:23:01 PM
According to the articles I have been reading you are by far the only one if you think that.
-.5
This is not a discussion for media outlets, op-eds or online forums.

This is a very complicated and delicate halachic issue. And none of the opinions you or I are reading are relevant as most of them are not familiar with A. The intricacies of the case and B. The intricacies of the halacha.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on July 20, 2016, 12:23:05 PM
You have lots of company.
Good or bad company?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Yitz on July 20, 2016, 12:24:11 PM
From what I know from the past. The Israeli Rabbinic court are 100% right not to accept any Geiyurus From Rabbi L. He does not keep to Halacha in Geiyurus the way all religious Rabbonim have in the past.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:27:09 PM
Good or bad company?
IMHO that would be good company.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2016, 12:27:37 PM
It was tongue and cheek. What part don't you understand?

If you want to have the other discussion start another thread. I would love to hear how any religious law Trump's G-d's law.  :)
Tongue-in-cheek.
https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/tongue.html
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: JTZ on July 20, 2016, 12:30:24 PM
Tongue-in-cheek.
https://public.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/tongue.html
I am batting .500  :P
First my OP was made tongue in cheek. As far as the rest all that matters is how she is viewed in G-d's eyes.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: skyguy918 on July 20, 2016, 12:35:19 PM
I am batting .500  :P
Lol, didn't notice that. Covering your bases, very smart. Besides, .500 will get you in the HOF. ;D

Only reason I commented was because I just heard someone say the same, and it surprised me.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on July 20, 2016, 12:42:38 PM
refer to my post above. many in her community are as religious as her, and that has halachic significance.

So, you don't stop being Jewish. You also don't become for that.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 01:24:10 PM
Seems like she is very serious about Judiasm. And the parts she doesn't keep (tznius) her whole community doesn't keep.
Such as participating in a press conference on Shabbos to announce a VP?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Eliyohu on July 20, 2016, 02:46:00 PM
R Lookstein has said, that he personally doesn't require קבלת עול מצוות, but Ivanka was mekabel.
The other 2 Rabbis on the Bais Din R Shacter and iirc some chassidish rabbi from Monsey deff require קבלת עול מצוות
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on July 20, 2016, 04:00:54 PM
R Lookstein admits he doesn't think KOM is me'akev.
Do you know that his geiruses were just recently banned in Israel?
IINM it was for one specific case not for all his geirus. Also rav hershel Shelter was on the bes din for her geirus...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on July 20, 2016, 04:37:54 PM
Such as participating in a press conference on Shabbos to announce a VP?
is that assur al pi din lekol hadeios? maybe she asked her LOR. Playing devil's advocate, and as someone (you?) said earlier, it'sdisappointing, but IMHO not indicative of a lack of respect for shabbos necessarily
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: username on July 20, 2016, 04:44:34 PM
http://www.vogue.com/11739787/ivanka-trump-collection-the-apprentice-family/

Quote
“Yeah, we observe the Sabbath,” says Ivanka, sipping her lychee martini. “From Friday to Saturday we don’t do anything but hang out with one another. We don’t make phone calls.”
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yuneeq on July 20, 2016, 05:12:38 PM
Such as participating in a press conference on Shabbos to announce a VP?

Interesting because many Rabbonim hold it's 100% muttar...that's your proof that she's non-Jewish?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2016, 05:17:07 PM
Interesting because many Rabbonim hold it's 100% muttar...that's your proof that she's non-Jewish?
Where did I ever say that she is not Jewish?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yuneeq on July 20, 2016, 05:20:11 PM
Where did I ever say that she is not Jewish?

I guess you didn't have a point because that's the running topic you're participating in
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Baruch on July 20, 2016, 07:52:18 PM
So, you don't stop being Jewish. You also don't become for that.
From what I understand, Rabbis Feinstein and Elyashiv disagree with you on this.

Btw, do you know which chelek in shulchan aruch Hilchos Giyur is?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ad120 on July 21, 2016, 12:14:03 AM
Sorry to go OT (or maybe back on topic), but can we add Wrigley Field DO to the list?
What happened to that thread?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Brian93 on July 21, 2016, 02:09:20 AM
I think this thread went OTD
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 21, 2016, 08:56:59 AM
What happened to that thread?
ya, what happened to it?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 21, 2016, 04:01:21 PM
Re rhaskil lookstein
http://matzav.com/audio-rav-gifter-diversity-in-orthodoxy/
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on July 22, 2016, 09:41:46 AM
Re rhaskil lookstein
http://matzav.com/audio-rav-gifter-diversity-in-orthodoxy/
Quick summary pls?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 22, 2016, 10:05:50 AM
Quick summary pls?
I couldnt do justice. Here is better audio
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MeirS on July 22, 2016, 11:03:28 AM
Friday morning flight cancellations with no alternative before Shabbos.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=64383.0

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=64377.0
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on September 04, 2016, 11:07:48 AM
When you think you're finished davening, then someone yells out: לדוד ...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on September 04, 2016, 12:01:29 PM
When you think you're finished davening, then someone yells out: לדוד ...

That's why we say it after the Yom at Shachris...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:11:40 PM
That's why we say it after the Yom at Shachris...
That's  what he's referring to
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on September 04, 2016, 12:23:22 PM
That's  what he's referring to

I'm assuming for those that say it after Aleinu by Shachris as well.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: thaber on September 04, 2016, 03:41:26 PM
I'm assuming for those that say it after Aleinu by Shachris as well.
Everyone says it after the yom.  Dr moose says the yom after aleinu
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on March 01, 2018, 09:15:27 AM
which shuls actually say the קרובץ for Purim?!

This.

Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: @Yehuda on March 01, 2018, 09:24:28 AM
This.
3 years ago and you haven't learned your lesson??
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hvaces42 on March 02, 2018, 02:08:24 PM
This.
Every shul in BP that I have eve davened in says it. It adds 3 minutes to davening. That is a cause?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 02, 2018, 02:18:18 PM
It adds 3 minutes to fasting.
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hvaces42 on March 02, 2018, 02:27:15 PM
FTFY
Who fasts Purim Morning?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ADG on March 02, 2018, 02:41:42 PM
When you think you're finished davening, then someone yells out: לדוד ...
This.

Have you tried Chabad ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on March 02, 2018, 02:51:36 PM
Who fasts Purim Morning?
I assumed it was both readings...
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 02, 2018, 02:57:10 PM
I assumed it was both readings...
It is during chazaras hashatz
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: shapsam on March 03, 2018, 10:18:44 PM
Also if your so desperate you can break your fast before Megilla.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on March 04, 2018, 09:59:27 AM


Every shul in BP that I have eve davened in says it. It adds 3 minutes to davening. That is a cause?

You're tired, just want to get home to eat breakfast and lie down for a bit. I think it's a good enough reason for me.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2018, 04:30:16 PM
Israeli hashgocha
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Mordyk on May 09, 2018, 04:30:58 PM
Israeli hashgocha
thats how frustrated you are? ;D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: shwarmabob on May 09, 2018, 04:34:17 PM
Israeli hashgocha
lol, bring food from POM
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2018, 04:48:58 PM
lol, bring food from POM
Sigh.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: wayfe on May 09, 2018, 04:55:00 PM
Wigs
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: shwarmabob on May 09, 2018, 04:55:33 PM
Sigh.
Why don't you just ask your rav in CLE or someone you can rely on in Israel to give you a list of hashgachas in Israel that you can rely on and go by that. That would make it more black and white than many shades of gray.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Emkay on May 09, 2018, 05:07:58 PM
Israeli hashgocha
For me it's those people that make israeli kashrus more complicated then it is.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2018, 05:09:18 PM
Why don't you just ask your rav in CLE or someone you can rely on in Israel to give you a list of hashgachas in Israel that you can rely on and go by that. That would make it more black and white than many shades of gray.

Isn't that an oxymoron?

In any event, I think the first suggestion makes most sense. עשה לך רב, ask whoever you trust, and follow.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2018, 05:19:28 PM
For me it's those people that make israeli kashrus more complicated then it is.
Match made in heaven.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2018, 05:32:55 PM
Match made in heaven.
Or possibly as they say טוב בארץ - translated into Yiddish גוט אין דער ערד!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Amusch on December 03, 2018, 01:59:02 PM
People who (still!) do Hodu in Hallel to the tune of Maoz Tzur  >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitzgar on December 03, 2018, 02:34:31 PM
People who (still!) do Hodu in Hallel to the tune of Maoz Tzur  >:(
Pretty bad, ya. Ma ashiv is a close second
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on December 03, 2018, 11:29:16 PM
People who (still!) do Hodu in Hallel to the tune of Maoz Tzur  >:(

You ever daven at magen david in queens, sephardi shul? Rav does it all year round
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on December 04, 2018, 01:05:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yi2gpMf.png)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 04, 2018, 01:07:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yi2gpMf.png)

Of hundreds of donuts I ate this season, I'm still traumatized by just one.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on December 04, 2018, 01:08:54 PM

Of hundreds of donuts I ate this season, I'm still traumatized by just one.
Tbh this is the best reason I've seen in this whole thread.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: elit on December 04, 2018, 01:19:07 PM
Tbh this is the best reason I've seen in this whole thread.
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: S209 on December 23, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
According to the articles I have been reading you are by far the only one if you think that.
How can you be by far the only one?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 23, 2018, 11:07:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/yi2gpMf.png)
That is so sad.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on March 21, 2019, 10:28:22 AM
which shuls actually say the קרובץ for Purim?!

Apparently I still haven't learned my lesson. I'm surprised I'm still frum even.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2019, 09:06:58 PM
Apparently I still haven't learned my lesson. I'm surprised I'm still frum even.
Now I understand the person who went OTD and then became a Lubavitcher, who was asked מעיקרא מאי קסבר ולבסוף מאי קסבר, and replied "the yiddishkeit that I found, I never left".
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 21, 2019, 09:16:56 PM
Now I understand the person who went OTD and then became a Lubavitcher, who was asked מעיקרא מאי קסבר ולבסוף מאי קסבר, and replied "the yiddishkeit that I found, I never left".
He can still repent
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2019, 09:35:10 PM
What do you think?
Jewish drivers on Purim  >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2019, 09:40:13 PM
Jewish drivers on Purim  >:(
-1 Wrong thread. Belongs in pros and cons of where you live.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2019, 09:53:24 PM
-1 Wrong thread. Belongs in pros and cons of where you live.
Like when all of NYC packs up and decides to move to CLE?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2019, 10:35:44 PM
Like when all of NYC packs up and decides to move to CLE?
You get intimidated by a little bit of traffic?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2019, 10:44:09 PM
Traffic? No.
Uber dangerous driving? Yes.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: joey89 on March 22, 2019, 01:05:40 AM
Traffic? No.
Uber dangerous driving? Yes.
Just report the driver through the app
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 08:53:38 AM
Traffic? No.
Uber dangerous driving? Yes.
You're confusing NYC drivers with KJ/LKWD drivers.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: davidrotts63 on March 22, 2019, 09:05:02 AM
When NYC drivers go to LKWD they are the same garbage as LKWD driver, its when LKWD drivers go to NYC that it's dangerous
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 22, 2019, 10:21:42 AM
You're confusing NYC drivers with KJ/LKWD drivers.
When NYC drivers go to LKWD they are the same garbage as LKWD driver, its when LKWD drivers go to NYC that it's dangerous
Not sure where you guys think the Lakewood and kj drivers came from.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 11:00:35 AM
Not sure where you guys think the Lakewood and kj drivers came from.
They were born and (more significantly) bred in their respective locales.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on March 22, 2019, 11:09:55 AM
Not sure where you guys think the Lakewood and kj drivers came from.

Generally the wrong direction
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 01:00:59 PM
Here's a real top reason to go OTD: ~50 gallons of garbage discarded over a single day of Purim!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: LoLo on March 22, 2019, 01:14:06 PM
That's actually a reason to stay, how beautiful.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 01:17:21 PM
That's actually a reason to stay, how beautiful.

You're more than welcome to take care of garbage disposal in my house. We won't even charge you for completing that beautiful task.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: zale on March 22, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
Spending time and money planning and packing beautiful Mishloach Manos with cellophane and ribbons then get a cheap cr@ppy Mishloach Manos thrown in a bag in return.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: gingyguy on March 22, 2019, 01:52:16 PM
Spending time and money planning and packing beautiful Mishloach Manos with cellophane and ribbons.
FTFY
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 01:54:40 PM
Spending time and money planning and packing beautiful Mishloach Manos with cellophane and ribbons then get a cheap cr@ppy Mishloach Manos thrown in a bag in return.

At least the brown bag might come into practical use.

The cellophane and ribbons can only be appreciated by @LoLo who sees the gallons of garbage generated as beautiful.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: LoLo on March 22, 2019, 01:56:06 PM
Not the actual garbage.. but the cause of the garbage.

The more garbage, the more fun there usually was.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 02:01:35 PM
Not the actual garbage.. but the cause of the garbage.

The more garbage, the more fun there usually was.

Well, at least I get a free pass on recycling, so all the empty bottles don't require their own bags and receptacle. All the garbage gets dumped together.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: avromie7 on March 22, 2019, 02:16:17 PM
Well, at least I get a free pass on recycling, so all the empty bottles don't require their own bags and receptacle. All the garbage gets dumped together.
How'd you pull that one off?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 02:19:35 PM
How'd you pull that one off?

That's even more confidential than the UPS method. It's been going strong for at least 20 years, you don't expect me to kill this one....
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ckmk47 on March 22, 2019, 04:26:15 PM
Probably doesn't belong here, but..
Years ago the bank manager at my Chase branch (an Italian woman) expressed admiration for the amount of money given to charity over Purim.  She was amazed at the amount of cash withdrawn by people that was deposited into charity accounts the next day.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: MrKaplan on March 22, 2019, 04:31:19 PM
Probably doesn't belong here, but..
Years ago the bank manager at my Chase branch (an Italian woman) expressed admiration for the amount of money given to charity over Purim.  She was amazed at the amount of cash withdrawn by people that was deposited into charity accounts the next day.
OTD- on the derech *thumbs up emoji*
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 04:39:29 PM
OTD- on the derech *thumbs up emoji*
👍🏼
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 22, 2019, 05:10:48 PM
They were born and (more significantly) bred in their respective locales.
*citation needed
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 22, 2019, 05:12:09 PM
*citation needed
כל דפריש מרובא פריש
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 22, 2019, 05:15:55 PM
Probably doesn't belong here, but..
Years ago the bank manager at my Chase branch (an Italian woman) expressed admiration for the amount of money given to charity over Purim.  She was amazed at the amount of cash withdrawn by people that was deposited into charity accounts the next day.
The branch manager at the Chase branch here told me that they fill up the vault to capacity each day before Purim and still sometimes run out. A neighbor was told by a manager at Santandar that no matter how much they request they always run out.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: mmgfarb on March 22, 2019, 06:29:07 PM
The branch manager at the Chase branch here told me that they fill up the vault to capacity each day before Purim and still sometimes run out. A neighbor was told by a manager at Santandar that no matter how much they request they always run out.
Wow
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: hocker on March 25, 2019, 08:43:32 AM
יוצרות.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on March 25, 2019, 09:00:01 AM
My favorite thing in Judaism!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 25, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
יוצרות.
And here I look forward to them from after Yom Kippur mariv....

Though I wouldn't go as far as this
My favorite thing in Judaism!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: shwarmabob on March 25, 2019, 10:01:51 AM
mixing spring cleaning with Pesach cleaning
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 25, 2019, 10:15:45 AM
mixing spring cleaning with Pesach cleaning
+1000000000
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: gingyguy on March 25, 2019, 10:18:27 AM
mixing spring cleaning with Pesach cleaning
Rav Chaim Pinchos  Scheinberg  used to say - dust isn't chometz and your wife isn't the korban pesach!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Moshe123 on March 25, 2019, 10:25:40 AM
Rav Chaim Pinchos  Scheinberg  used to say - dust isn't chometz and your wife isn't the korban pesach!

It's long the women being at fault. Your husband and kids aren't the kurban pesach.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 25, 2019, 10:59:31 AM
Rav Chaim Pinchos  Scheinberg  used to say - dust isn't chometz and your wife isn't the korban pesach!

I doubt that's how he said it. The famous saying is שטויב איז ניט קיין חמץ, און קינדער זיינען ניט קיין קרבן פסח.

If you keep on getting quotes/saying wrong we might strip you of your gingy title!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: gingyguy on March 25, 2019, 11:21:57 AM
I doubt that's how he said it. The famous saying is שטויב איז ניט קיין חמץ, און קינדער זיינען ניט קיין קרבן פסח.

If you keep on getting quotes/saying wrong we might strip you of your gingy title!
will try to find source but that's for sure how I heard jt
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on March 25, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
will try to find source but that's for sure how I heard jt

Doesn't make sense, as we all know that
It's long the women being at fault. Your husband and kids aren't the kurban pesach.

Most men don't really care much about the dust behind the bookcases, especially not when there are other, more important, projects.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2019, 11:35:40 AM
Doesn't make sense, as we all know that
Most men don't really care much about the dust behind the bookcases, especially not when there are other, more important, projects.
+1
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2019, 11:37:18 AM
And here I look forward to them from after Yom Kippur mariv....
Some of the most moving Chabad nigunim are sung then...
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=83877.msg1809928#msg1809928
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: aygart on March 25, 2019, 11:53:47 AM
Some of the most moving Chabad nigunim are sung then...
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=83877.msg1809928#msg1809928
The moving nigun is to for the moving words
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2019, 12:02:34 PM
The moving nigun is to for the moving words
It's a combination.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yesitsme on March 25, 2019, 08:53:38 PM
The branch manager at the Chase branch here told me that they fill up the vault to capacity each day before Purim and still sometimes run out. A neighbor was told by a manager at Santandar that no matter how much they request they always run out.
Santandar, Not related to purim
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on September 08, 2019, 08:43:57 PM
Kleins
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dr Moose on September 08, 2019, 08:50:54 PM
Kleins
http://www.koshericecream.com/product/yogi-fruit-strawberry/

Try this instead. It's amazing.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: grodnoking on September 08, 2019, 09:10:57 PM
Kleins
That's not fair. It's clearly melted and refrozen, probably the stores fault.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on September 08, 2019, 09:11:25 PM
In that case, Ungers.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on September 08, 2019, 10:04:35 PM
In that case, Ungers.

In that case, wrong thread. Should be pros and cons of where you live.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on September 08, 2019, 10:05:55 PM
http://www.koshericecream.com/product/yogi-fruit-strawberry/

Try this instead. It's amazing.
True story. One of the best low calorie snacks out there.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on September 08, 2019, 10:15:13 PM
True story. One of the best low calorie snacks out there.
With Sugar, Glucose Syrup, Fructose and Dextrose, how low calorie is it?
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: yitzgar on September 08, 2019, 10:18:21 PM
In that case, Ungers.
For someone who's been living in Cleveland their whole life, you should know better. I learned very quickly not to buy frozen things at ungars (or pretty much anything besides donuts and fresh dairy with checking expiration dates)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: beeweegee on September 08, 2019, 10:24:13 PM
That's not fair. It's clearly melted and refrozen, probably the stores fault.
Not sure this is true, I've had the same experience multiple times in NY with this product.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: 12HRS on September 08, 2019, 10:24:51 PM
Someone practicing shofar blowing in my building at 1030 at night  >:(
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on September 08, 2019, 10:28:32 PM
Someone practicing shofar blowing in my building at 1030 at night  >:(

Might also belong in pro and con of where you live.  ;)
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: mmgfarb on September 08, 2019, 11:33:04 PM
Someone practicing shofar blowing in my building at 1030 at night  >:(
Well at least you don't live in a building where a guy got pushed off a balcony and died last week
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: mmgfarb on September 08, 2019, 11:33:31 PM
In that case, Ungers.
Now that's a reason to go OTD.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: EliJelly on September 08, 2019, 11:49:36 PM
Kleins
Am I seeing this correct? $4.69 for 6 bars?? And you still complain?.. I'm moving to CLE!
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on September 09, 2019, 12:19:39 AM
Am I seeing this correct? $4.69 for 6 bars?? And you still complain?.. I'm moving to CLE!

You might pay the same or less elsewhere for defrosted and refrozen stock.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: jj1000 on September 09, 2019, 08:15:30 AM
With Sugar, Glucose Syrup, Fructose and Dextrose, how low calorie is it?
47 calories per bar. And you have to taste it to see how good it is.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: ExGingi on September 09, 2019, 08:52:09 AM
47 calories per bar. And you have to taste it to see how good it is.

I'll wait for you to come for a DO over these. Though I have a hunch that we have very different preferences for flavors and tastes.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2019, 09:16:24 AM
I'll wait for you to come for a DO over these. Though I have a hunch that we have very different preferences for flavors and tastes.
#ParveCholent
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2019, 09:16:57 AM
Not sure this is true, I've had the same experience multiple times in NY with this product.
So, Klein's :D
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2019, 09:17:40 AM
http://www.koshericecream.com/product/yogi-fruit-strawberry/

Try this instead. It's amazing.
They're good, but I'm a sucker for anything lemon.
Title: Re: Top Reasons To Go OTD
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2019, 09:19:32 AM
For someone who's been living in Cleveland their whole life, you should know better. I learned very quickly not to buy frozen things at ungars (or pretty much anything besides donuts and fresh dairy with checking expiration dates)
I know, but
I'm a sucker for anything lemon.

Rumors are starting again about someone taking over the season's building. We can only hope.
Though I will miss Ungers donuts!