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Title: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Miami00 on October 10, 2010, 10:59:41 AM
Hi,

Dan, we love your site.

Can someone give me advice using Amex Membership Rewards points to Israel.

Here's the situation. I have a lot of reward points and am planning a bar mitzvah in January 2012. There are so many options with the various airlines that Amex MR transfers to. I am hoping someone can give me direction into which airlines offer the most efficient use of reward points for both Business and Coach. Which Business Class costs the fewest points? We are travelling from Miami.

Thanks,
Miami00
Title: Re: Israel with Amex Membership Reward Points
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2010, 11:28:28 AM
This must be one of the most common questions out there, maybe this will settle it once and for all?
If I'm missing any good AMEX transfer methods or if there any mistakes let me know!
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Star Alliance:
Using ANA miles
-If there is availability on Continental or USAirways for your dates: Transfer 60,000 points per ticket to ANA for coach or 90,000 points per ticket for business.  If you redeem ANA miles to go to Israel on airlines besides for Continental or USAirways you will be hit with fuel surcharges.

Using Continental miles
-If there is Star Alliance availability besides for Continental and USAirways, transfer 75,000 points per ticket to Continental for coach or 115,000 points for business.  Continental never charges fuel surcharges.  Continental also gives its own elite members expanded award availability for travel on Continental.
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OneWorld:
Using BA miles
-If there is OneWorld availability, transfer 65,000 points per ticket to BA for coach or 130,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay additional fuel surcharges if your travel includes flying on BA.  There won't be fuel surcharges if you only travel on partner airlines.
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Skyteam:
Using Alitalia miles
-If there is Skyteam availability transfer 50,000 points per ticket to Alitalia for coach or 80,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Flying Blue miles
-If there is a promo award available on Flying Blue for your dates and you're ready to work hard to get them to honor it and cut through red tape: Transfer 25,000 points to Flying Blue per ticket for coach or 50,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.
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Other:
Using El Al miles
-If there is El Al availability transfer 98,000 points per ticket to El Al for coach or 210,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: judylbay on October 31, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
We are plannig to go to israel in May and would like to fly ElAl.How many points do I need for an ELAL ticket. I have 115,000 Amex points. Can I use them for one of our tickets? What is mitmat?Do I have to transfer my points to mitmat. What is ANA?
Thanks for any info you can provide me with.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: md on October 31, 2010, 07:05:41 PM
Matmil is ELAl's frequent flyer program. You put an ELAL ticket on hold then transfer from Amex to Matmid. ELAL is currently running a promo where they are giving you 25% more points when you transfer from Amex. See the ELAL site for details.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: judylbay on October 31, 2010, 10:27:34 PM
Thank you for your quick reply MD. Does anyone know how many Amex points you need to get an ELAl ticket?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on October 31, 2010, 11:56:58 PM
Matmil is ELAl's frequent flyer program.

It's actually called מתמיד (Matmid), Which means frequent in modern Hebrew.

Thank you for your quick reply MD. Does anyone know how many Amex points you need to get an ELAl ticket?

I think it's 100,000.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on November 01, 2010, 12:03:21 AM
I think it's 100,000.
Plus hundreds of dollars in fuel surcharges.

Either find a way to trade for AA miles or Starpoints to fly on El Al without surcharges or stick with another airline to Israel.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on November 01, 2010, 12:06:56 AM
Plus hundreds of dollars in fuel surcharges.

He asked how many Amex points. But alas you're right.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: md on November 01, 2010, 08:56:31 AM
FYI I'm pretty sure that Amex is the only way to get ELAL First class via points.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: judylbay on November 03, 2010, 11:49:00 AM
Thank you for your responses.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on November 04, 2010, 06:47:17 PM
Reposted with more details here:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/10371
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Miami00 on December 28, 2010, 10:54:42 PM
Does anyone know how long in advance these tickets can be gotten with MR Points?

We dont want to miss out by waiting too long.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on December 28, 2010, 10:59:48 PM
Does anyone know how long in advance these tickets can be gotten with MR Points?

We dont want to miss out by waiting too long.

Please don't double post (http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=4749.0), it's against the rules.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: avrlev on January 07, 2011, 12:58:16 AM
FYI I'm pretty sure that Amex is the only way to get ELAL First class via points.
no that's not the case, you can use HAS Advantage point as well
and BTW it tranfers much better
Amex 70 points = 1 ELAL
HA 40 points = 1 ELAL
also it doesn't have an annuel fee, and it a visa not Amex which means it gets accepter everywhere, not like Amex thet isn't acceptet all over
(but Amex go to a lot of programs VS HA is only good for ELAL)
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on January 07, 2011, 01:01:15 AM
no that's not the case, you can use HAS Advantage point as well
and BTW it tranfers much better
Amex 70 points = 1 ELAL
HA 40 points = 1 ELAL
also it doesn't have an annuel fee, and it a visa not Amex which means it gets accepter everywhere, not like Amex thet isn't acceptet all over
(but Amex go to a lot of programs VS HA is only good for ELAL)

But you can't compare US Bank with Amex when it comes to customer service and benefits.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: avrlev on January 07, 2011, 01:04:06 AM
Plus hundreds of dollars in fuel surcharges.

Either find a way to trade for AA miles or Starpoints to fly on El Al without surcharges or stick with another airline to Israel.
El Al's fees on bonus tickets is 345 to 352 (besides last min. booking that can be additional 75 a way)
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: avrlev on January 07, 2011, 01:06:55 AM
But you can't compare US Bank with Amex when it comes to customer service and benefits.
that's true, but for "el al" they are still the best
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on January 07, 2011, 02:17:06 AM
that's true, but for "el al" they are still the best
Perhaps for spending, but then again for spending you should be using SPG  (http://www.dansdeals.com/go/starwood/)(or something like AMEX Premier (http://www.dansdeals.com/go/premier25k/) for travel, gas, and groceries with 3x or 2x points).

For churning AMEX gives 50K for opening a card.  What is HAS giving you?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: arie on January 08, 2011, 09:46:04 PM
quick question. i want to transfer my amex points because i want to cancel my card. i want to fly to israel in the next couple of months but i dont have concrete dates. which is better to transfer to, continental or ana -  which one has a better chance of having availability? thanks
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Monsey on January 09, 2011, 12:41:26 AM
They have the same availability. If you dont travel on us or co then ana will charge a fuel surcharge
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on January 09, 2011, 02:48:48 AM
ANA will be less miles but will only be worthwhile if you are able to find availability on CO or US.
Otherwise CO gives you many many more flight options without fuel surcharges and allows for free date, route, and airline changes.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Jay the PRESIDENT on February 05, 2011, 08:36:17 PM
is there possibility of more availability on *alliance than what comes up on CO site?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2011, 08:43:36 PM
is there possibility of more availability on *alliance than what comes up on CO site?
More like a probability.  The site is far from exhaustive.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: yaakov on April 06, 2011, 01:38:49 PM
whats the deal with the swiss airline voucher. would it work to tlv, does it charge taxes, and what is the availability
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on April 07, 2011, 01:01:52 AM
How does one check skyteam availability? I'd love to get a delta flight direct from jfk through alitalia at 50K a ticket. Delta shows plenty of availability but at much higher mileage than their low of 80 (I think it was 130). Also what would the fees be like for such a ticket?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on April 07, 2011, 01:03:37 AM
How does one check skyteam availability? I'd love to get a delta flight direct from jfk through alitalia at 50K a ticket. Delta shows plenty of availability but at much higher mileage than their low of 80 (I think it was 130). Also what would the fees be like for such a ticket?
Try airfrance.com
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on April 08, 2011, 03:36:53 PM
Doesn't let me search anything but flyingblue flights (klm/air france).
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: jack12 on May 03, 2011, 11:12:59 PM
If someone has 100k amex points and they can be sold roughly for $1600, then wouldn't it be better to sell the points and buy a ticket to israel from a travel agent? Many times of the year you can get a flight to Israel for a few hundred dollars less then $1600. Am I wrong? Are there advantages to using the points to book a flight that outweigh the few hundred dollars you can save by selling the points?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2011, 03:02:53 AM
If someone has 100k amex points and they can be sold roughly for $1600, then wouldn't it be better to sell the points and buy a ticket to israel from a travel agent? Many times of the year you can get a flight to Israel for a few hundred dollars less then $1600. Am I wrong? Are there advantages to using the points to book a flight that outweigh the few hundred dollars you can save by selling the points?
100K AMEX can be more than enough for a business ticket worth $$$$$
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: moshiach1 on May 15, 2011, 01:15:13 AM
Plus hundreds of dollars in fuel surcharges.

Either find a way to trade for AA miles or Starpoints to fly on El Al without surcharges or stick with another airline to Israel.
can anyone please explain how to fly el al w/o fuel surcharges?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on May 15, 2011, 01:15:51 AM
can anyone please explain how to fly el al w/o fuel surcharges?
You quoted it.
Use AA miles.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: aussiebochur on May 15, 2011, 01:16:04 AM
can anyone please explain how to fly el al w/o fuel surcharges?
Book through AA.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: seifer on May 30, 2011, 10:48:49 AM
Looking to go to from jfk to prague to israel and back to jfk this summer. Delta wants 150k miles (obscene!).  I think the full fare non-refundable ticket with the connections is 1500. With the 50% amex points transfer promo, this would cost me 100k points per ticket and I need 4 tickets (400k points).  Is this considered a good deal?  Am I better off just buying the tickets outright and saving the 400k points? 
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Side incomer on May 30, 2011, 02:14:33 PM
Looking to go to from jfk to prague to israel and back to jfk this summer. Delta wants 150k miles (obscene!).  I think the full fare non-refundable ticket with the connections is 1500. With the 50% amex points transfer promo, this would cost me 100k points per ticket and I need 4 tickets (400k points).  Is this considered a good deal?  Am I better off just buying the tickets outright and saving the 400k points?
Bad deal. 100K Amex points could be worth more than $1500. and you also have to pay $100 for the transfer, plus you lose the mileage earning by flying delta.
But first search Air france they usually have to Israel for 100,000 points, but they charge fuel surcharges, so what you should do is call up delta saying that you found that price with Air france, and you want to book it with delta miles.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Yungerman on May 30, 2011, 02:53:43 PM
Bad deal. 100K Amex points could be worth more than $1500.

They could even be worth close to $4000; the cash value of a Continental BusinessFirst flight to EY(depending on season). All you need is 90K miles transfered to ANA.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: seifer on May 30, 2011, 04:07:02 PM
thanks
So you suggest I pay the $1550 per ticket now and hold on for later?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Nitantnel on May 30, 2011, 04:21:53 PM
They could even be worth close to $4000; the cash value of a Continental BusinessFirst flight to EY(depending on season). All you need is 90K miles transfered to ANA.

I'm missing something here: if your advising him to fly continental, why do you suggest transferring to ANA?
Title: Re: Israel with Amex Membership Reward Points
Post by: Nitantnel on June 05, 2011, 10:08:57 AM
This must be one of the most common questions out there, maybe this will settle it once and for all?
If I'm missing any good AMEX transfer methods or if there any mistakes let me know!
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Star Alliance:
Using ANA miles
-If there is availability on Continental or USAirways for your dates: Transfer 60,000 points per ticket to ANA for coach or 90,000 points per ticket for business.  If you redeem ANA miles to go to Israel on airlines besides for Continental or USAirways you will be hit with fuel surcharges.

Using Continental miles
-If there is Star Alliance availability besides for Continental and USAirways, transfer 75,000 points per ticket to Continental for coach or 115,000 points for business.  Continental never charges fuel surcharges.  Continental also gives its own elite members expanded award availability for travel on Continental.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OneWorld:
Using BA miles
-If there is OneWorld availability, transfer 65,000 points per ticket to BA for coach or 130,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay additional fuel surcharges if your travel includes flying on BA.  There won't be fuel surcharges if you only travel on partner airlines.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Skyteam:
Using Alitalia miles
-If there is Skyteam availability transfer 50,000 points per ticket to Alitalia for coach or 80,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Flying Blue miles
-If there is a promo award available on Flying Blue for your dates and you're ready to work hard to get them to honor it and cut through red tape: Transfer 25,000 points to Flying Blue per ticket for coach or 50,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Other:
Using El Al miles
-If there is El Al availability transfer 98,000 points per ticket to El Al for coach or 210,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

What's the rate for first class?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2011, 03:55:06 PM
What's the rate for first class?

Your FC options are limited as AA doesn't book F awards on El Al and CO offers BF which is a J award. LY or BA will charge you expensive YQ.

What metal F are you looking to fly?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Nitantnel on June 05, 2011, 04:07:18 PM
Your FC options are limited as AA doesn't book F awards on El Al and CO offers BF which is a J award. LY or BA will charge you expensive YQ.

What metal F are you looking to fly?
Any. I have BA, MR and AA points. BA, like you said, is darn expensive: 190K +$600 in FS! So anything that is first and cheaper than that. (I promised my father a FC ticket thinking it is only 130K, I didn't realize that 130 is for business and not for first - so that's my dilemma.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2011, 04:08:51 PM
Any. I have BA, MR and AA points. BA, like you said, is darn expensive: 190K +$600 in FS! So anything that is first and cheaper than that. (I promised my father a FC ticket thinking it is only 130K, I didn't realize that 130 is for business and not for first - so that's my dilemma.

CO BF not good enough for you?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on June 05, 2011, 05:48:49 PM
As AsherO said, I didn't include F in the comparison because from North America there is a dearth of F service to TLV.

AC from YYZ is Y/J
CO from EWR is Y/J.
DL from ATL/JFK is Y/J.
US from PHL is Y/J
Only LY has F and it can't be booked with AA miles, only LY points which are ridiculously high in points required and fuel surcharges (although availability is accordingly quite good)

Of course there are some connecting options in F to TLV (BA, LH, and LX come to mind).  Perhaps someone wants to the research on it?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Nitantnel on June 05, 2011, 06:34:54 PM
CO BF not good enough for you?

Is their BF better than regular business? (assuming that BF means the highest class in a two cabin plane) Also, for the dates I'm looking for, Jan 25 -Jan 31, I do not see any direct flights in BF or F. I am therefor open F class tickets for all indirect carriers.
As AsherO said, I didn't include F in the comparison because from North America there is a dearth of F service to TLV.

AC from YYZ is Y/J
CO from EWR is Y/J.
DL from ATL/JFK is Y/J.
US from PHL is Y/J
Only LY has F and it can't be booked with AA miles, only LY points which are ridiculously high in points required and fuel surcharges (although availability is accordingly quite good)

Of course there are some connecting options in F to TLV (BA, LH, and LX come to mind).  Perhaps someone wants to the research on it?


I am not that good at this, but I did look up a few: BA (three times the price of coach)=190,  US airway=150, and Continental=72,500 on Saver pass, and 160,000 on easy pass.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Yungerman on June 05, 2011, 08:19:06 PM
I'm missing something here: if your advising him to fly continental, why do you suggest transferring to ANA?

Umm.......because ANA books on continental with less miles required.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2011, 09:44:58 PM
Is their BF better than regular business? (assuming that BF means the highest class in a two cabin plane)

CO flies the Boeing 777 on their EWR-TLV route. This aircraft's BF seats are all lie-flat (180 degrees (https://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/businessfirst/seat.aspx)).
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Nitantnel on June 05, 2011, 09:53:34 PM
CO flies the Boeing 777 on their EWR-TLV route. This aircraft's BF seats are all lie-flat (180 degrees (https://www.continental.com/web/en-US/content/travel/inflight/businessfirst/seat.aspx)).
Is it better than BA's business?
I don't really care about the Fuel Surcharge, as he will be paying for it ( ;D). Also, it is a lot easier finding availability with BA.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on June 05, 2011, 10:29:37 PM
Is it better than BA's business?
I don't really care about the Fuel Surcharge, as he will be paying for it ( ;D). Also, it is a lot easier finding availability with BA.

I haven't flown any, see what the experts say.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Avidan on June 06, 2011, 01:06:24 PM
I have a little over 115,572 points on my platinum amex, with available 60,000 points advance. I want to go at the end of this month to Israel with my wife (her first time) from Miami. What do you recommend? I got a quote on Iberia’s direct website for a little over $3,000 (including all fees/taxes) on American Express website it was about $700 more.

What is the best option to use my points to get the cheapest deal and maybe even an upgrade?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: myb821 on June 06, 2011, 01:47:05 PM
did u read this thread cause it has all the answers
Title: Re: Israel with Amex Membership Reward Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 12:56:34 AM

Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.
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Anyone know what this "skypesos" thing is? Fuel surcharges?

I just booked a ticket with Delta to Israel and I didn't notice any major fees or surcharges. (I think there was $45 fee or something - is this what Dan is referring to?

Should I expect to get added fees?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Chaikel on July 04, 2011, 01:11:25 AM
Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to AVOID fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.
Anyone know what this "skypesos" thing is? Fuel surcharges?

I just booked a ticket with Delta to Israel and I didn't notice any major fees or surcharges. (I think there was $45 fee or something - is this what Dan is referring to?

Should I expect to get added fees?
He wrote to avoid the fees
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 01:18:54 AM
Anyone know what this "skypesos" thing is? Fuel surcharges?

I just booked a ticket with Delta to Israel and I didn't notice any major fees or surcharges. (I think there was $45 fee or something - is this what Dan is referring to?

Should I expect to get added fees?

Their award chart has three tiers, and there's usually nothing available in the cheapest tier. The same award that is 25k (r/t) with AA or CO is sometimes 40k or even 60k with Delta. With Int'l it's even worse.

How many DL miles was your ticket to Israel, and what class did you travel (Coach, Biz or First)?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 01:19:45 AM
Yeah...?

I don't have skypesos and didn't get fees. That's my point. (I don't believe Dan is freaking out about the $45 fee for booking. I believe that is standard. He is referring to $200+ fuel surcharges)


Anyways, I think I figured it out (old read up after you already post silliness) - He is referring to people booking tickets that originate outside of U.S. - i.e. for example TLV>JFK and then JFK>TLV - - - and not vice versa. I think.

Anyone able to confirm this?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 01:20:40 AM
Their award chart has three tiers, and there's usually nothing available in the cheapest tier. The same award that is 25k (r/t) with AA or CO is sometimes 40k or even 60k with Delta. With Int'l it's even worse.

How many DL miles was your ticket to Israel, and what class did you travel (Coach, Biz or First)?

80k economy roundtrip.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 01:24:50 AM
80k economy roundtrip.

Besides for the YQ (which would be nonexistent on some airlines), you got in at Delta's cheapest tier. The next two tiers are 130k and 160k R/T, making a DL award ticket potentially very expensive.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 01:27:47 AM
Besides for the YQ (which would be nonexistent on some airlines), you got in at Delta's cheapest tier. The next two tiers are 130k and 160k R/T, making a DL award ticket potentially very expensive.

Ooh, Asher, some mercy with the newbie! Didn't understand your post....

Jargon help:
YQ?
DL?

Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 01:28:46 AM
p.s. Should I start a "Jargon thread"  :-\
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 01:35:34 AM
Ooh, Asher, some mercy with the newbie! Didn't understand your post....

Jargon help:
YQ?
DL?

YQ = Fuel Surcharges
DL = Delta

p.s. Should I start a "Jargon thread"  :-\

No, there's more than enough spoonfeeding around here as it is.

Which reminds me, it's past my bedtime. Enough spoonfeeding you, goodnight.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 01:50:41 AM
??? I am :o wasn't expecting such a  >:( response. I am  :-[ and want to :'(. I can  :-X is that what you want?  :-\ 

Maybe you acted that way cuz you were  :P?

Was I so annoying?  ::)

All I want is your love  :-* - - -  ;) ;D

Good Night,
Jay  8)

p.s. I was trying to work in every :D but couldn't which makes me  :( - - - oh wait! Got it now!  :)
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 01:57:48 AM
??? I am :o wasn't expecting such a  >:( response. I am  :-[ and want to :'(. I can  :-X is that what you want?  :-\ 

Maybe you acted that way cuz you were  :P?

Was I so annoying?  ::)

All I want is your love  :-* - - -  ;) ;D

Good Night,
Jay  8)

p.s. I was trying to work in every :D but couldn't which makes me  :( - - - oh wait! Got it now!  :)

Troll.

If I wasn't sure until now, now I am: You're not worth wasting time on.
Title: Re: Israel with Amex Membership Reward Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 09:39:18 AM
Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.

Dan, maybe you should edit this paragraph. The line about travel originating in the US is throwing people off. Shouldn't it be more like this?

"You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in outside the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)..."
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 09:59:12 AM
Dan, maybe you should edit this paragraph. The line about travel originating in the US is throwing people off. Shouldn't it be more like this?

"You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in outside the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)..."

Or you  could say something like:

"You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos for travel originating in the US (this is how you avoid fuel surcharges with Delta, as Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)"
.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on July 04, 2011, 10:40:06 AM
Dan, maybe you should edit this paragraph. The line about travel originating in the US is throwing people off. Shouldn't it be more like this?

"You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in outside the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)..."
You lost me there??

Or you  could say something like:

"You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos for travel originating in the US (this is how you avoid fuel surcharges with Delta, as Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)"
.
That makes more sense.

I need to update other stuff as well in the chart...I'll have to get around to it.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 10:44:06 AM
Quote from: skyguy918 on Today at 09:39:18 AM

    Dan, maybe you should edit this paragraph. The line about travel originating in the US is throwing people off. Shouldn't it be more like this?

    "You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in outside the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)..."

You lost me there??

Quote from: AsherO on Today at 09:59:12 AM

    Or you  could say something like:

    "You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos for travel originating in the US (this is how you avoid fuel surcharges with Delta, as Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US)"
    .

That makes more sense.

I need to update other stuff as well in the chart...I'll have to get around to it.


Dan, isn't the surcharge for flights originating outside of the U.S.?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 10:46:35 AM
Think I'm a little lost on the facts now, but I guess I was right about the wording being a little off.

What's the advantage of transferring to Skypesos if you're only ever going to be booking travel originating in the US? For the purposes of this thread, I understand the if you're booking TLV-JFK you want to use Skypesos, but if you're booking JFK-TLV, why not just use regular old Skymiles?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on July 04, 2011, 10:55:12 AM
Think I'm a little lost on the facts now, but I guess I was right about the wording being a little off.

What's the advantage of transferring to Skypesos if you're only ever going to be booking travel originating in the US? For the purposes of this thread, I understand the if you're booking TLV-JFK you want to use Skypesos, but if you're booking JFK-TLV, why not just use regular old Skymiles?
OMG...ROFL, LMAO!!!
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 10:56:41 AM
I don't mind being laughed at, as long as you explain in the end.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: myb821 on July 04, 2011, 10:58:06 AM
Skypesos=skymiles skymiles r called skypesos bc ppl think they r not worth very much
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 10:59:41 AM
Now that I actually understand what's going on, how would one book travel originating outside the US on Delta without incurring fuel surcharges.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on July 04, 2011, 11:00:52 AM
Skypesos=skymiles skymiles r called skypesos bc ppl think they r not worth very much

 :-[ I was confused by the whole skypesos thing too. My bad.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on July 04, 2011, 11:00:53 AM
Now that I actually understand what's going on, how would one book travel originating outside the US on Delta without incurring fuel surcharges.
You don't.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: myb821 on July 04, 2011, 11:01:11 AM
U can't
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 11:05:45 AM
Just reread it from the beginning. You were saying for Skyteam originating outside US you can't avoid surcharges anyway so might as well go with the cheaper Alitalia or Flying Blue. But for Skyteam originating inside the US it's worth paying the slight premium in miles with Delta to avoid the surcharge. Took me a while.

Now I'm off to post enough in Up in The Air to bury this thread so no one sees my boo-boo. :P (There should be one with red cheeks and a sheepish grin for embarrassed)
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 11:06:43 AM
(There should be one with red cheeks and a sheepish grin for embarrassed)

There is one: :-[
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 11:10:13 AM
It's also funny that Skymiles have this terrible rep here. With the current 50% bonus amex xfer bonus I've found all my best values with Delta (I've booked business tickets JFK-TLV direct late August and early November for 80k amex mr points, hard to get better value than that). Obviously these things always depend on availability for one's specific itinerary, and in general they have very little at the lowest mileage rate, but so far I'm pretty happy with Skymiles.

There is one: :-[


I read that as sad or something. I meant with a smiley.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on July 04, 2011, 11:12:25 AM
I read that as sad or something. I meant with a smiley.

Hover over it, it's clearly an embarrassed emoticon.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on July 04, 2011, 11:16:03 AM
Hover over it, it's clearly an embarrassed emoticon.

Indeed. I'm feeling more of a sheepish grin type of embarrassed right now, though.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: kivabb on July 11, 2011, 10:23:28 AM
So is Air Canada Aeroplan with MR points the way to go after Continental to avoid fuel surcharges (as long as you're not flying Air CAnada themselves)? Is it also 80/120K to Israel?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on July 11, 2011, 11:19:47 AM
Y/J/F
AC: 80/135/190
CO: 80/120/170
US: 80/120/180
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: kivabb on July 11, 2011, 01:14:30 PM
Y/J/F
AC: 80/135/190
CO: 80/120/170
US: 80/120/180

But what options are we left with for MR points? Just AC and CO (for now)?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: oisher on July 19, 2011, 10:43:09 AM
But you can't compare US Bank with Amex when it comes to customer service and benefits.

Asher, Just to muddy the waters somewhat, Diners Club offers a better redemption rate to Matmid than does Amex MR.

Amex           70 points = 1 Matmid point
Diners Club 50 points = 1 Matmid point

i.e. Diners Club (which is a branded MASTERCARD, accepted everywhere, with CDW protection, buyers protection and more)
is 40% cheaper than using American Express!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: aussiebochur on July 19, 2011, 10:45:13 AM
Asher, Just to muddy the waters somewhat, Diners Club offers a better redemption rate to Matmid than does Amex MR.

Amex           70 points = 1 Matmid point
Diners Club 50 points = 1 Matmid point

i.e. Diners Club (which is a branded MASTERCARD, accepted everywhere, with CDW protection, buyers protection and more)
is 40% cheaper than using American Express!
If you can get one...
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on July 19, 2011, 10:45:40 AM
Asher, Just to muddy the waters somewhat, Diners Club offers a better redemption rate to Matmid than does Amex MR.

Amex           70 points = 1 Matmid point
Diners Club 50 points = 1 Matmid point

i.e. Diners Club (which is a branded MASTERCARD, accepted everywhere, with CDW protection, buyers protection and more)
is 40% cheaper than using American Express!
Sure, but Matmid stinks and Diners Club cards haven't been offered for years.
I got mine right before they stopped taking applications back in '07 (maybe '08?) or so.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: leibima on July 31, 2011, 06:09:14 PM
I want to go to Israel (4 people in total). I searched all the direct flights and can't find a cheap reward ticket. Does anyone have any idea which airline i can search with that may have cheaper award even if it means a stopover?

Travel dates are 8/16 or 8/17 to 8/28

Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: aussiebochur on July 31, 2011, 07:04:41 PM
I want to go to Israel (4 people in total). I searched all the direct flights and can't find a cheap reward ticket. Does anyone have any idea which airline i can search with that may have cheaper award even if it means a stopover?

Travel dates are 8/16 or 8/17 to 8/28

Thanks for your help.
If you're looking for multiple business or first class seats, your best bet is usually LH or BA.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: leibima on July 31, 2011, 07:29:51 PM
If you're looking for multiple business or first class seats, your best bet is usually LH or BA.

I am looking for economy
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: benarroc on August 15, 2011, 08:10:49 PM
I am trying to book a trip to Israel from LA for next summer using amex points. I want to transfer into ANA and fly continental.  Ideally, I'd like to fly the family (6 tickets) business class, but I assume its impossible to get 6 business class mileage tickets on the same flight.

I checked the Continental site for availability and all the tickets are either 75000 or 150000. My travel dates are flexible.
What strategy can I use to redeem a lower point reward?
The continental site will only allow booking of tickets for travel up to July 17th. How can I  book round trip tickets , at the cheapest reward level,  that extend beyond the current date allowed by Continental?

Thanks

Moshe
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Yid21 on February 08, 2012, 11:53:56 AM
I am trying to get my family of 3 to Israel from NYC using AMEX MR points in April/May (post pesach), but I have noticed that alot of the airline policies have changed over the last several months. I have 200K MR points but I was also hoping not to get flooded with fuel surcharges. I have 150K BA points but as we know those fuel charges are the worst.

Does anyone have any good ideas for getting from NYC-TLV with 200K MR points and not paying $500+ on fuel charges? I tried the flying blue promo but the only return dates in May were on Shabbos. ANA was only 60K miles with decent availability but they told me no flights booked through them will be less than $600 in fuel charges.

Any help is much appreciated!!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 08, 2012, 12:18:10 PM
200,000 sells for at least $3,500. Coach tickets to Israel in that period are a bit over $900.
Miles are best utilized for premium classes where the dollar to mile price ratio is much bigger, hence unless you're looking for complicated stopovers or extra flexibilty it is rarely worthwhile to use miles.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Mocha on February 08, 2012, 01:48:42 PM
200,000 sells for at least $3,500.
Curious where you get 1.75 cpm
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Chaikel on February 08, 2012, 01:53:34 PM
Curious where you get 1.75 cpm
You mean "at least" 1.75
+1 I'm very curious as well
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on February 08, 2012, 02:03:04 PM
Curious where you get 1.75 cpm
wasn't thinking. Meant to say $3000. The guy on the mainsite gives 1.6 for large accts somewhere on the forums people discussed getting more.
Anyway my point still holds, since you also have to count at least $120 fees.
The only scenario I see this making sense is if DL runs a transfer promo that's better tjan their 1.1 CPM seasona mile price
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 14, 2012, 06:27:58 PM
Why is there no thread "flying to Israel using UR points"? Anyone?
Title: Re: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Ergel on March 14, 2012, 07:48:27 PM
Why is there no thread "flying to Israel using UR points"? Anyone?
Because UR points are a relatively new currency, especially in their current quantity.
Why do always seem to take such a combative tone?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 14, 2012, 08:55:23 PM
Where do you see a combative tone in my question? I was just asking why, and if anyone can please create one because I plan using them for my upcoming. So can you please?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on March 14, 2012, 10:51:33 PM
Why is there no thread nullflying to Israel using UR pointsnull? Anyone?

Because UA is basically the only reasonable (non-YQ) option.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 07:52:02 AM
So I should transfer all my URs directly to United?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 08:14:40 AM
So I should transfer all my URs directly to United?
first find availability. If there's skyteam and not star alliance - transfer to korean.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 08:17:28 AM
I'm looking for direct only. do they have direct NYC-TLV?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 08:22:05 AM
I'm looking for direct only. do they have direct NYC-TLV?
Delta. Nyc-tlv is probably never open, but ATL-TLV might very well be. Afaik u have to search delta.dumb. (For the low level availability). Star has us from phl co 2 flights from EWR AC from toronto
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 08:50:10 AM
But with united I have good chances for a direct NYC-TLV, right?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 08:59:59 AM
But with united I have good chances for a direct NYC-TLV, right?
I guess thats the most likely of all, but it really doesn't make sense to transfer the points until you have a reservation on hold. Why limit your options?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 09:29:21 AM
Yes, you're right. I'm just trying to figure out which co-brand airline CC I should apply for in order to accumulate the needed points, and then transfer all my URe into that FF program. But anyway, thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 09:31:32 AM
Yes, you're right. I'm just trying to figure out which co-brand airline CC I should apply for in order to accumulate the needed points, and then transfer all my URe into that FF program. But anyway, thanks for your help!
CO is definitely the way to go, but grab a few amex plat's when u apply?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 09:34:53 AM
I'm not really packed with MRs, I only have about 30k. My real strength is with URs... Can I transfer MRs directly to United?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 09:37:56 AM
I'm not really packed with MRs, I only have about 30k. My real strength is with URs... Can I transfer MRs directly to United?
Yeah, just saying theres good amex cards to apply for.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 09:39:39 AM
Welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
Welcome to the forum!
I was referring to this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14743.0), which is new, and raises the amount easily earnable in 3 apps to 150k
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Yitz on March 15, 2012, 10:00:28 AM
Welcome to the forum!
You could purchase the ticket and get a better price with UR points.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 11:05:59 AM
You mean I should rather sell the points? Even if am flying business class?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 11:28:07 AM
You mean I should rather sell the points? Even if am flying business class?
Almost never is it better to sell the points than buy a biz class tkt.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 01:30:58 PM
Aprox, how much should I accumulate for 2 ppl round trip? Not decided if business or first, what's the # for both of them?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2012, 01:32:44 PM
Crazy is a better look on you than lazy:
http://pss.united.com/web/en-US/apps/mileageplus/awards/travel/awardTravel.aspx
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 02:00:30 PM
But did you know that on a mobile using their mobile version they require to sign in first before I can look up for booking with award? (and Im not yet a United member) however I see the same amount points needed for business and first, make sense?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: skyguy918 on March 15, 2012, 03:06:10 PM
... I see the same amount points needed for business and first, make sense?

If you want to do NYC-TLV with a stopover, there are 3 cabin flights and first class would cost 150k. But if you only want direct you're looking at the UA EWR-TLV flights which are 2 cabin, and BusinessFirst will cost 120k.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 15, 2012, 03:23:51 PM
Yes, I was looking for the EWR (forgive me for calling it NYC, cuz they consider it as NYC in a search). Whats the FirstBusiness? Is it more similar to reg first or reg business?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 15, 2012, 07:15:08 PM
Yes, I was looking for the EWR (forgive me for calling it NYC, cuz they consider it as NYC in a search). Whats the FirstBusiness? Is it more similar to reg first or reg business?
More similar to coach... A basic Business class
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 17, 2012, 11:48:49 PM
I'm a bit confused with the united.com site (call me lay or crazy) I don't get it, is the 75,000 milled needed for econ seat EWR-TLV a round trip, or its one-way, and I need 150,000 miles for a round trip on economy? So for the the meshugena couple to get the full round-trip free, we need to rack up 300,000 miles. Can any one please explain us?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2012, 12:06:09 AM
@meshugana - that's because the cheap seats aren't available on that day. Its 80,000 eco round trip
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on March 18, 2012, 12:11:32 AM
So it depends so much on availability, very hard that we don't have an estimate on how much to rack up. It could run between such a wide window of 80,000 to 150,000 for around-trip direct. Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Drago on March 18, 2012, 07:21:21 AM
So it depends so much on availability, very hard that we don't have an estimate on how much to rack up. It could run between such a wide window of 80,000 to 150,000 for around-trip direct. Ridiculous.
If it's 150k round trip, you may as well pay (if you have the cash handy). At that point, you're not receiving good value.
Otherwise, keep on checking, and be flexible with the dates. I found 80k tix for my family to visit us for Pesach. The window for them opened up suddenly one evening, and closed soon after.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 18, 2012, 08:46:07 AM
If it's 150k round trip, you may as well pay (if you have the cash handy). At that point, you're not receiving good value.
Otherwise, keep on checking, and be flexible with the dates. I found 80k tix for my family to visit us for Pesach. The window for them opened up suddenly one evening, and closed soon after.
if you have ecpert flyer you can set up an alert to email you when it becomes available
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: SHMIDT on March 18, 2012, 12:56:18 PM
Hey everyone, I am looking for two one way tickets from TLV to LAX leaving in late May with an extended stopover in JFK (or any nearby airport) we need to be in NY over May 22.
any suggestions?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on March 26, 2012, 11:52:08 AM
first find availability. If there's skyteam and not star alliance - transfer to korean.

Curious. Why Korean and not Delta?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: ChanieL on June 06, 2012, 05:12:09 PM
I have 100k AA miles and 50K starpoints. How can I get two tickets to Israel with this? I checked aa.com and it was 90k per ticket  but $800 in surcharges. Is there any way to avoid the huge charge? Thanks!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: AsherO on June 06, 2012, 05:24:16 PM
I have 100k AA miles and 50K starpoints. How can I get two tickets to Israel with this? I checked aa.com and it was 90k per ticket  but $800 in surcharges. Is there any way to avoid the huge charge? Thanks!

Your question was just asked and answered here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16890.msg237211#msg237211).
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2012, 06:29:34 PM
I have 100k AA miles and 50K starpoints. How can I get two tickets to Israel with this? I checked aa.com and it was 90k per ticket  but $800 in surcharges. Is there any way to avoid the huge charge? Thanks!
You can't find El Al flights on AA.com.  You need to search on El Al Matmid or call AA.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: aussiebochur on June 06, 2012, 06:37:42 PM
You can't find El Al flights on AA.com.  You need to search on El Al Matmid or call AA.
Or ExpertFlyer.

Or Qantas.com for non USA flights.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: JEWDA on June 06, 2012, 08:14:20 PM
I need to book now a UA mileage ticket, which credit card is best to pay foor the taxes&fees?

The UA card?  Chase SP? or Amex Plat?

Thanx!
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Makdim on July 30, 2013, 12:49:58 PM
Hi All,

I have 79,000+ Membership Rewards points that I want to transfer to use to fly from TLV-LAX via United. From the research I've done it looks like my best options are to either:

1. Transfer MR to Aeroplan and then just book with United as Air Canada and United are both Star Alliance
2. Transfer from MR to ANA and then just book United tickets via ANA.

If anyone could confirm which approach is better and why, it would be greatly appreciated. My wife and I will likely be flying Pesach of 2014.

Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Ergel on July 30, 2013, 02:30:14 PM
Fly coach or business? Either way those won't be enough points. And good luck finding availability
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Makdim on July 30, 2013, 02:43:54 PM
Fly coach or business? Either way those won't be enough points. And good luck finding availability

Flying coach. And I also have points via Chase so I can break it into segments and use both rewards programs. All I'm trying to figure out is if it's better to transfer from MR to Air Canada or ANA. Thanks for your help.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Ergel on July 30, 2013, 02:53:03 PM
Flying coach. And I also have points via Chase so I can break it into segments and use both rewards programs. All I'm trying to figure out is if it's better to transfer from MR to Air Canada or ANA. Thanks for your help.
Remember both air Canada and ana won't allow you to book one ways (air Canada will with their new rules but I don't know when those will start) (also there is a work a round with Ana)
To Israel air Canada is 80k and Ana will cost you 60K in coach
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Makdim on July 30, 2013, 03:14:59 PM
Hi Ergel,

Thank you for your help. Greatly, greatly appreciated. Wishing you only the best.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on July 30, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
SQ will allow you one ways.
Only $30 cancellation fee and $20 change fee.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Cw3323 on May 26, 2014, 01:45:47 AM
My friend needs 4 tickets round trip nonstop NYC - TLV (June-July) he has a lot of MR points ONLY. What's his options?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Dr Moose on May 26, 2014, 02:03:31 AM
My friend needs 4 tickets round trip nonstop NYC - TLV (June-July) he has a lot of MR points ONLY. What's his options?
Probably the best option would be to sell them and book a revenue ticket. Depends on what date they want to fly
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Cw3323 on May 26, 2014, 02:05:34 AM
Cheapest is with elal in the high $1700 range. United is over 2k
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: chucksterace on May 26, 2014, 02:19:20 AM
Cheapest is with elal in the high $1700 range. United is over 2k

Whats the dates? Check LOT via ANA. 
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Cw3323 on May 26, 2014, 02:26:58 AM

Whats the dates? Check LOT via ANA.
I wrote nonstop. LOT only flies with stops. Dates are June 25-July 6-7
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: chucksterace on May 26, 2014, 02:43:20 AM
I wrote nonstop. LOT only flies with stops. Dates are June 25-July 6-7

Ahh sorry.. In that case - good luck
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Cw3323 on May 26, 2014, 02:46:36 AM
If it would've been an easy answer I wouldn't even ask here. But what is his best choice to do with MR points for nonstop?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: chucksterace on May 26, 2014, 02:54:41 AM
If it would've been an easy answer I wouldn't even ask here. But what is his best choice to do with MR points for nonstop?

For non-stop you have four options, LY, UA, DL, and US (PHL).

You can transfer to ANA for flights on UA for 60k r/t miles in coach. Or to BA for flights on US for 60k r/t in coach.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Cw3323 on May 26, 2014, 02:59:57 AM
Does it transfer to ANA instantly? And what's the fuel surcharges ?  US I checked before and there is 0 availability.  LY how many points is a r/t and how many Amex points is it?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: chucksterace on May 26, 2014, 03:02:32 AM
Does it transfer to ANA instantly? And what's the fuel surcharges ?  US I checked before and there is 0 availability.  LY how many points is a r/t and how many Amex points is it?

Does not transfer instantly. No fuel surcharge on UA, but yes for other *A carriers. LY I dunno.

You can also transfer to FlyingBlue and redeem on Delta for 25k each way in coach.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Cw3323 on May 26, 2014, 03:05:48 AM
Ok. Will get workin on it. Thanks
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: helpinghand on October 06, 2014, 04:38:44 PM
So much info to keep up with, it's amazing what you compile!

It seems like it's hard to find deals from NYC to London, is there any options with Chase UR points (If only BA had partner flights to London)?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: meshugener on October 06, 2014, 04:40:31 PM
So much info to keep up with, it's amazing what you compile!

It seems like it's hard to find deals from NYC to London, is there any options with Chase UR points (If only BA had partner flights to London)?
UA on UA, SQ on UA, KE on DL, VS on VS.
And BA - not only do they have more than a few flights to LON, they also partner with AA.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: ChaniS on October 31, 2014, 03:48:34 PM
Looking for 20-25 tickets to Israel for next Sukkos. A mix if American Express points. Looking for the most economical way to use the points so that we can maximize tickets. A stopover is ok. Thanks!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: shuashef on December 13, 2014, 09:33:15 PM
One way/Round trip: Round Trip
Non-stop/Maximum stops/Any: 1 stop maximum
From: All airports from which you can depart BWI or PHL
To: All airports which you can arrive at. For multiple destinations, just keep adding this line TLV
Departure dates: All possible dates that you can depart on. Please be as specific as possible. March 29/30
Return airports:If different from 'To' line. Delete this line for One way tickets BWI or PHL
Return dates: Delete this line for One way tickets April 12/13
Class: First/Business/Coach/Any Any
Seats: Total number of people traveling over the age of 2 4
Alliance/Airline: What airline or alliance are you looking to fly with US Airways
Only have Chase points
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: jolielga6 on May 01, 2015, 08:52:29 AM
Help! Trying to book a ticket for my teenage son for this summer to Israel.  I started the search using Avios pts....found some tickets -- but, costs seem high: 75,000 pts and $600 in fees?!!! Might as well just buy a ticket at that rate.
I'm assuming I can do better -- but, finding the search process overwhelming. I've read through the posts -- but, if you can point me in a specific direction, that would be very  much appreciated.

Here are the details:
R/T
Non-stop or 1-stop
NYC area airports
TLV
Can fly 7/4 -7/7 (must be in Israel by 7/7)
Return flight 8/19, 8/20, 8/22
Coach class
1 person

I'm looking to use my reward points from our Am Ex and/or Chase Signature account. We have about 175,000 combined pts.

THANK YOU!!!
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: Centro on May 01, 2015, 10:33:05 AM
Help! Trying to book a ticket for my teenage son for this summer to Israel.  I started the search using Avios pts....found some tickets -- but, costs seem high: 75,000 pts and $600 in fees?!!! Might as well just buy a ticket at that rate.
I'm assuming I can do better -- but, finding the search process overwhelming. I've read through the posts -- but, if you can point me in a specific direction, that would be very  much appreciated.

Here are the details:
R/T
Non-stop or 1-stop
NYC area airports
TLV
Can fly 7/4 -7/7 (must be in Israel by 7/7)
Return flight 8/19, 8/20, 8/22
Coach class
1 person

I'm looking to use my reward points from our Am Ex and/or Chase Signature account. We have about 175,000 combined pts.

THANK YOU!!!
Try reading  here (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/51626),
Sorry but I'm no pro so I can't help you any further.
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: D93 on May 02, 2015, 02:33:32 PM

I'm looking to use my reward points from our Am Ex and/or Chase Signature account. We have about 175,000 combined pts.


What's that?
Title: Re: Master Thread: Getting To Israel Using AMEX Membership Rewards Points
Post by: doublejay on September 20, 2015, 05:04:19 PM
Is the guide on page 1 still current? Its from 2010...
Title: Re: Israel with Amex Membership Reward Points
Post by: jose34 on January 04, 2018, 05:04:59 PM
This must be one of the most common questions out there, maybe this will settle it once and for all?
If I'm missing any good AMEX transfer methods or if there any mistakes let me know!
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Star Alliance:
Using ANA miles
-If there is availability on Continental or USAirways for your dates: Transfer 60,000 points per ticket to ANA for coach or 90,000 points per ticket for business.  If you redeem ANA miles to go to Israel on airlines besides for Continental or USAirways you will be hit with fuel surcharges.

Using Continental miles
-If there is Star Alliance availability besides for Continental and USAirways, transfer 75,000 points per ticket to Continental for coach or 115,000 points for business.  Continental never charges fuel surcharges.  Continental also gives its own elite members expanded award availability for travel on Continental.
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OneWorld:
Using BA miles
-If there is OneWorld availability, transfer 65,000 points per ticket to BA for coach or 130,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay additional fuel surcharges if your travel includes flying on BA.  There won't be fuel surcharges if you only travel on partner airlines.
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Skyteam:
Using Alitalia miles
-If there is Skyteam availability transfer 50,000 points per ticket to Alitalia for coach or 80,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Flying Blue miles
-If there is a promo award available on Flying Blue for your dates and you're ready to work hard to get them to honor it and cut through red tape: Transfer 25,000 points to Flying Blue per ticket for coach or 50,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.

Using Delta miles
-You can also transfer to Delta Skypesos to avoid fuel surcharges for travel originating in the US (Delta charges fuel surcharges for travel originating outside of the US), but their mileage rates are variable.  Coach can be between 80,000 and 190,000 and business can be between 120,000 and 370,000.
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Other:
Using El Al miles
-If there is El Al availability transfer 98,000 points per ticket to El Al for coach or 210,000 points per ticket for business, plus expect to pay fuel surcharges.
Just found this! Thanks Dan again for all the help!

Is there a list like this for Ultimate Rewards?