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Title: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 09:10:59 AM
Most people probably know about what they are calling the million man March in israel protesting the draft for the frum. I have heard rumors of a potential american version, can anyone verify this?
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Post by: damaxer91 on March 02, 2014, 09:20:15 AM
Next Sunday in Lower Manhattan is the plan

Won't be a rally. Just Tehillim etc
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Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 09:23:38 AM
How many expected to come?
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Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 09:27:14 AM

~15 years ago they got ~600-800
I think a million!
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Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 09:30:08 AM
They did this 15 yrs ago? Why?
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Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 09:34:21 AM
Anyone at the rally in israel now?
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Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 09:42:13 AM
They did this 15 yrs ago? Why?
the "high" court was interfering with yiddishkeit in many ways. Also deri was jailed.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 09:43:23 AM
Anyone at the rally in israel now?
they are probably not on ddf ::)
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Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 09:48:58 AM
Why do you say that?
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Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 09:51:14 AM
Why do you say that?
:o
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Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 09:56:46 AM
Anyone at the rally in israel now?
My father is there now they have 400,000 ppl in the mean time
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Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 09:58:01 AM
Where's the million people they planned???
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 10:11:26 AM
Where's the million people they planned???
+1??
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 10:11:46 AM
My father is there now they have 400,000 ppl in the mean time
right, he counted 400?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 10:13:18 AM
right, he counted 400?
probably means media reports
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Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 10:16:53 AM
The difference between 400K and a million is quite large, so if dudi father is there and estimates about 400K that can't be off by that much.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 10:19:44 AM
The difference between 400K and a million is quite large, so if dudi father is there and estimates about 400K that can't be off by that much.
-1
the pple are spread out in different locations. its impossible to estimate unless you are in a helicopter.
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Post by: henche on March 02, 2014, 10:21:28 AM
The difference between 400K and a million is quite large, so if dudi father is there and estimates about 400K that can't be off by that much.

I don't thikn I could estimate myself the difference between 400k and 5 million, even from a helicopter. I don't have any frame of reference
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 10:22:03 AM
Media media!!
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Post by: Am on March 02, 2014, 10:31:05 AM
It's on 107.9 now
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Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
I don't thikn I could estimate myself the difference between 400k and 5 million, even from a helicopter. I don't have any frame of reference
There are experts in crowd counting. They start with a topical view and count sections etc. 
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 10:51:15 AM
Anyone going to the gathering in NY?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 10:53:09 AM
They did make the brocha on 600k+. No helicopters due to the weather.
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Post by: Am on March 02, 2014, 11:03:50 AM
No helicopters due to the weather.
-1 due to IAF closing the airspace over the entire city for the day
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 11:09:56 AM
Doesn't seem like there was a million...although plus 600K is quite a lot!
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 02, 2014, 11:10:38 AM
-1 due to IAF closing the airspace over the entire city for the day
Wasn't that because of the weather?
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Post by: plainbachur on March 02, 2014, 11:30:21 AM
700k is final number
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Post by: plainbachur on March 02, 2014, 11:30:45 AM
There is a protest on Sunday in NYC confirmed
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Post by: Dr Moose on March 02, 2014, 11:31:12 AM
Doesn't seem like there was a million...although plus 600K is quite a lot!
there were easily as many people there as there were at r' ovadia's leviah
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Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 11:37:09 AM
There is a protest on Sunday in NYC confirmed
BMG going this time?
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Post by: Bostener on March 02, 2014, 11:56:19 AM
BMG going this time?
I have no sofek that they will. Assuming that Harav Stainmen is behind it.
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 02, 2014, 12:04:04 PM
t=123

Wow
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Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 12:22:33 PM
Ok so no my father didn't count it was the media I don't know where 700k came from I only saw 600k but it may be true.
Now its officially over but my father said there is dancing going on there big time.
Sounds crazy to by on the street dancing with 600k ppl
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Post by: avadah on March 02, 2014, 12:29:47 PM
Nobody was expecting a million, even the people that called it that.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 12:35:31 PM
&feature=youtube_gdata_player
My father just took this sounds like a crazy experience
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Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 12:52:53 PM
Huge hock if the bracha that was made was a bracha levatala. Most people say now that there was not more then 400 thousand.
I was there but obviously I can't tell how many there were.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 12:54:43 PM
Huge hock if the bracha that was made was a bracha levatala. Most people say now that there was not more then 400 thousand.
I was there but obviously I can't tell how many there were.
according to kikarshabbas (Israeli chareidi news site) Rav steinman was the one who said to make the brocho if that is true I trust him
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 12:58:12 PM
How many people were there according to them ? Reb baruch mordechai ezrachi said the bracha on the mike but I'm hearing now a lot of people saying that they should not of made it. I myself said it .
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 02, 2014, 01:04:16 PM
Today was the ma'amad of
 ויגש אליהו אל כל העם ויאמר עד מתי אתם פסחים על שתי.
הסעפים אם יהוה האלהים לכו אחריו ואם הבעל לכו אחריו

Pretty clear who is where.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 01:10:00 PM
How many people were there according to them ? Reb baruch mordechai ezrachi said the bracha on the mike but I'm hearing now a lot of people saying that they should not of made it. I myself said it .
ppl have to learn that if a big rabbi like r baruch Mordechai gets up and says a brocho than they should all frikin shut up who are they to say that he Dosent know what he is talking about? I'm sure he thought about the point that there may not be enough ppl and he said it anyways so let all the ppl who don't believe him get on a bus together and go to hell
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 01:14:57 PM
ppl have to learn that if a big rabbi like r baruch Mordechai gets up and says a brocho than they should all frikin shut up who are they to say that he Dosent know what he is talking about? I'm sure he thought about the point that there may not be enough ppl and he said it anyways so let all the ppl who don't believe him get on a bus together and go to hell
first of all quit ur attitude ! 2nd with no disrespect to any rabbis the fact is that less then 600 thousand, even one less is a brach levatala which according to the rambam is a issur  min hatorah. I just heard an Isrealy news station saying that there over 300 thousand a far cry from 600. And I heard that many rabbis did not say it !
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Jkhein on March 02, 2014, 01:17:33 PM
first of all quit ur attitude ! 2nd with no disrespect to any rabbis the fact is that less then 600 thousand, even one less is a brach levatala which according to the rambam is a issur  min hatorah. I just heard an Isrealy news station saying that there over 300 thousand a far cry from 600. And I heard that many rabbis did not say it !
lol did you expect differently? this morning they were reporting that 100k hareidim are expected to protest!
The fact is there was no helicopter and with the way it was spread out in so many different areas, it's impossible to know!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Sammy82 on March 02, 2014, 01:18:28 PM
first of all quit ur attitude ! 2nd with no disrespect to any rabbis the fact is that less then 600 thousand, even one less is a brach levatala which according to the rambam is a issur  min hatorah. I just heard an Isrealy news station saying that there over 300 thousand a far cry from 600. And I heard that many rabbis did not say it !
great place to get facts about the frum olam, the secular Israeli media  ::)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 01:19:06 PM
first of all quit ur attitude ! 2nd with no disrespect to any rabbis the fact is that less then 600 thousand, even one less is a brach levatala which according to the rambam is a issur  min hatorah. I just heard an Isrealy news station saying that there over 300 thousand a far cry from 600. And I heard that many rabbis did not say it !
well sorry just that by living in lakewood it is understandable that such a attitude has built up by me ( I have had a first hand experience if a avrech fighting with the biggest rabbi in lakewood if what he paskend on his bad bedikah that is kosher is true or that he Dosent know what he is talking about.
Second if its true that Rav steinman said it than the anyone who opens their mouth should go to hell
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamKey on March 02, 2014, 01:19:53 PM
יוה האלה-ים
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 01:19:58 PM
great place to get facts about the frum olam, the secular Israeli media  ::)
If that said more then 300 then I wouldn't think there were 600:-[
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Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 02, 2014, 01:22:19 PM
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(http://www.bhol.co.il/upload0708/CD6731ECC8564F9F9C1969EC6B56F441.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Sammy82 on March 02, 2014, 01:22:22 PM
If that said more then 300 then I wouldn't think there were 600:-[
sorry, you could base ur 'facts' on the Israeli media. Others (myself included) would rather rely on our gedolim.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 01:22:27 PM
first of all quit ur attitude ! 2nd with no disrespect to any rabbis the fact is that less then 600 thousand, even one less is a brach levatala which according to the rambam is a issur  min hatorah. I just heard an Isrealy news station saying that there over 300 thousand a far cry from 600. And I heard that many rabbis did not say it !
says you.
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Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
well sorry just that by living in lakewood it is understandable that such a attitude has built up by me ( I have had a first hand experience if a avrech fighting with the biggest rabbi in lakewood if what he paskend on his bad bedikah that is kosher is true or that he Dosent know what he is talking about.
Second if its true that Rav steinman said it than the anyone who opens their mouth should go to hell
well rav shteiman didn't count because nobody did exactly. People just tell him things. And who said he made the bracha ???
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Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 01:25:09 PM
sorry, you could base ur 'facts' on the Israeli media. Others (myself included) would rather rely on our gedolim.
I know of more gedolim that didn't say the bracha then which did. Any brisk rabbi did not say it gerer rebbe didn't say it. I just know one person which said it on he mike
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamDaMan on March 02, 2014, 01:45:21 PM
הארץ: 100,000 איש.
ערוץ 2: 300,000 איש.
וואלה: 400,000 איש.
ערוץ 10: 400,000 איש.
ניר ברקת: 500,000 איש.
המשטרה: 700,000 איש.

חישוב מהיר: 2,400,000 איש השתתפו בעצרת נגד חוק הגיוס.
כבוד...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Jkhein on March 02, 2014, 01:53:05 PM
ynet in English says 300k attended, ynet Hebrew says 600000

@miles lover, you gotta learn not to believe everything you hear or read
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Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 01:57:01 PM
ynet in English says 300k attended, ynet Hebrew says 600000

@miles lover, you gotta learn not to believe everything you hear or read
that's what I'm trying to teach you and the rest of this thread !! Just because you hear that there are gonna be a million people it doesn't mean anything. And like I said before I know a lot more gedolim which didn't say the bracha than those that did. And if its a sofek dioraisa I would rather not have said it.
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Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:02:42 PM
that's what I'm trying to teach you and the rest of this thread !! Just because you hear that there are gonna be a million people it doesn't mean anything. And like I said before I know a lot more gedolim which didn't say the bracha than those that did. And if its a sofek dioraisa I would rather not have said it.
You're full of it. Who said that there has to be exactly 600,000? Who said that you cant make the brocho of chochom harozim on R' chaim kanievsky?



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Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 02:05:12 PM
Let's move this thread to the 'just shmooze' folder....
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:06:59 PM
You're full of it. Who said that there has to be exactly 600,000? Who said that you cant make the brocho of chochom harozim on R' chaim kanievsky?
ur an am harretz ! Excuse me but Dont talk if u Dont know just do what ur good at and churn >:( The bracha is only if there is 600 like yotzei mitzraim. An I'm ready to bet with all my miles that rav shteiman himself didn't say it. I'm in isreal now an I'm hearing one after the next that people didn't say it and I'm jus feeling stupider that I did say it.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:12:49 PM
ur an am harretz ! Excuse me but Dont talk if u Dont know just do what ur good at and churn >:( The bracha is only if there is 600 like yotzei mitzraim. An I'm ready to bet with all my miles that rav shteiman himself didn't say it. I'm in isreal now an I'm hearing one after the next that people didn't say it and I'm jus feeling stupider that I did say it.

There are shitos in the reshonim that even by yotzei mitzrayim 600K was an approximation.

If you feel stupid dont worry, its natural.
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Post by: dudi on March 02, 2014, 02:17:02 PM
If I would have been there and r baruch Mordechai would have got up on the mike and said it I would have said it big time if he says it I believe him way more then the next yatzmach on the street who thinks he knows everything and decides that he knows better
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:17:17 PM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/216032/hagaon-harav-yitzchok-zilberstein-shlita-to-recite-a-bracha-at-million-man-atzeres.html
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: casualchurner on March 02, 2014, 02:20:13 PM
You're full of it. Who said that there has to be exactly 600,000? Who said that you cant make the brocho of chochom harozim on R' chaim kanievsky?
Who said it??? Just some big rabbi who lived a long time ago..... they called him the RAMBAM
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:20:16 PM
There are shitos in the reshonim that even by yotzei mitzrayim 600K was an approximation.

If you feel stupid dont worry, its natural.
list one please. And even so with the women and children there were for sure 600,000.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:22:02 PM
If I would have been there and r baruch Mordechai would have got up on the mike and said it I would have said it big time if he says it I believe him way more then the next yatzmach on the street who thinks he knows everything and decides that he knows better
that's why I said it but when I heard after how many people didn't say it including rav Abraham yehoshua salevitichik I would rather have not said it.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:23:19 PM
Who said it??? Just some big rabbi who lived a long time ago..... they called him the RAMAN
:):) and churnbabychurn is still fighting with me after he said that rav Chaim kanievsky thing !!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:25:45 PM
Obviously the gemora and all the poskim use the terminology "shishim ribo". The question is whether when the poskim say "shishim ribo" it is an exact requirement or not.
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Post by: Ergel on March 02, 2014, 02:26:11 PM
There are shitos in the reshonim that even by yotzei mitzrayim 600K was an approximation.
Way to misquote a rosh.
If you are saying that 600K isn't accurate that may be kefirah (the rosh just says that the number 605,550 was rounded off, not that it was exaggerated)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:26:48 PM
Obviously the gemora and all the poskim use the terminology "shishim ribo". The question is whether when the poskim say "shishim ribo" it is an exact requirement or not.
hell yeah it is. Its not like with banks and cc which we play around with understand ?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:29:27 PM
Just heard that reb Baruch mordechai ezrachi when he said the bracha he was reading it from the gemara . and we were just supposed to answer amen just in case but we were not supposed to make the bracha with the Shem hasheam. Things are starting to fall in place
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:36:26 PM
:):) and churnbabychurn is still fighting with me after he said that rav Chaim kanievsky thing !!
. Lets start with scripture:
Quote
The children of Israel journeyed from Rameses to Succoth, about six hundred thousand on foot, the men, besides the young children.       לז. וַיִּסְעוּ בְנֵי יִשְׂרָאֵל מֵרַעְמְסֵס סֻכֹּתָה כְּשֵׁשׁ מֵאוֹת אֶלֶף רַגְלִי הַגְּבָרִים לְבד מִטָּף:
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Hiding on March 02, 2014, 02:38:31 PM
With respect,do you mean to say he thought that noone would repeat it after him???
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:38:45 PM
Just heard that reb Baruch mordechai ezrachi when he said the bracha he was reading it from the gemara . and we were just supposed to answer amen just in case but we were not supposed to make the bracha with the Shem hasheam. Things are starting to fall in place
Stop with your narishkeit. The gemara does not include shem umalchus.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:38:58 PM
. Lets start with scripture:
not sure what ur saying
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:41:20 PM
With respect,do you mean to say he thought that noone would repeat it after him???
According the miles lovers theory it would be a chashas of Omen yesoma. A terrible thing. See upost where I linked (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/216032/hagaon-harav-yitzchok-zilberstein-shlita-to-recite-a-bracha-at-million-man-atzeres.html) to a pesak from a posek.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:41:27 PM
With respect,do you mean to say he thought that noone would repeat it after him???
officially he said to everybody on the mike not to say it and just to answer amen. But it wasn't that clear. People for sure heard that he said to answer amen. Obviously because of the above
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:44:12 PM
not sure what ur saying
Basically that you should first learn chumash. After that you will be eligible to critique your first grade rebbe.
When you get more advanced you can talk about R' ezrachi.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Ergel on March 02, 2014, 02:45:20 PM
. Lets start with scripture:
Yeah, because the passuk gives an actual count of 605,550
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:45:45 PM
Yes, Eli? a fix maybe? Also a quick reply on the bottom without clicking "reply" with be really appreciated!
finally a good question :o:P
And since it was a rear opportunity it was worth it. And he said on the mike to say amen so what were commanded we do :D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: casualchurner on March 02, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
I was also there today and honestly I don't have a CLUE how many ppl were there. With all the dust in the air and not a single helicopter in the sky and everyone spread out over such a large area I can't see how ANYONE, even a news station, could give an accurate number.
I guess that explains why the range is between 100K and 800K. Also, the secular media tends to give lower numbers than the religious media for this kind of thing (R' Ovadia's levaya....).
Could have been over 600K, could have been under. Who knows?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:46:36 PM
Basically that you should first learn chumash. After that you will be eligible to critique your first grade rebbe.
When you get more advanced you can talk about R' ezrachi.
yo Dont mess with yeshiva bachrim aight
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:46:47 PM
Yeah, because the passuk gives an actual count of 605,550
Kefira it aint.

See ramban shemos 30:12.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:48:03 PM
yo Dont mess with yeshiva bachrim aight
You're messing with Roshei yeshiva! aight?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Ergel on March 02, 2014, 02:52:39 PM
Kefira it aint.

See ramban shemos 30:12.
There is a big difference between saying something is an approximation and an exxageration
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 02:54:25 PM
You're messing with Roshei yeshiva! aight?
which roshei yeshiva. I was there and I'm hearing from people first hand. An I already explained y reb Baruch mordechai ezrachi said it. And I Dont know any other rabbi that said it
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:58:39 PM
which roshei yeshiva. I was there and I'm hearing from people first hand. An I already explained y reb Baruch mordechai ezrachi said it. And I Dont know any other rabbi that said it
The gemara does not say a shem umalchus. Its narrishkeit. He was not reading from the gemara.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 02:59:50 PM
There is a big difference between saying something is an approximation and an exxageration
There are shitos in the reshonim that even by yotzei mitzrayim 600K was an approximation.


My words precisely.  :P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:01:32 PM
My words precisely.  :P
which shitos ?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Ergel on March 02, 2014, 03:01:53 PM
My words precisely.  :P
So then if there were 300K, is that approximately 600K?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:06:38 PM
The gemara does not say a shem umalchus. Its narrishkeit. He was not reading from the gemara.
then maybe he didn't say it with the Shem hasheam. It wasn't clear
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 02, 2014, 03:08:40 PM
Why exactly do you think it makes a difference if he was reading from the gemara or not?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:11:14 PM
Why exactly do you think it makes a difference if he was reading from the gemara or not?
if the gemara says it then its not a bracha levatala because he's just learning. But not sure what to say now that it doesn't say it with the Shem hamalchis.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: rots5 on March 02, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Miles lover u seriously gotta take a chill. I have written psak that I should say the Bracha.

But one thing I can tell u. Ur sinas chinam is appalling. U should be ashamed at urself. I don't care if your right or not, but one thing I can tell u is the bai's hamikdash wasn't destroyed bec of a safek Bracha but it was destroyed bec ppl like you who are a complete disgrace to the Jews.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: avadah on March 02, 2014, 03:13:33 PM
then maybe he didn't say it with the Shem hasheam. It wasn't clear
I didn't hear the Shem Malchus.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: avadah on March 02, 2014, 03:14:27 PM
Miles lover u seriously gotta take a chill. I have written psak that I should say the Bracha.

But one thing I can tell u. Ur sinas chinam is appalling. U should be ashamed at urself. I don't care if your right or not, but one thing I can tell u is the bai's hamikdash wasn't destroyed bec of a safek Bracha but it was destroyed bec ppl like you who are a complete disgrace to the Jews.
That's not exactly ahavas chinam either.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:15:50 PM
Miles lover u seriously gotta take a chill. I have written psak that I should say the Bracha.

But one thing I can tell u. Ur sinas chinam is appalling. U should be ashamed at urself. I don't care if your right or not, but one thing I can tell u is the bai's hamikdash wasn't destroyed bec of a safek Bracha but it was destroyed bec ppl like you who are a complete disgrace to the Jews.
ur taking this to another level ! I'm just having fun from my Dirah in isreal .sorry if anyone getting offended. But I do not like when people talk who no nothing and just post things which are coming from their a** :P:P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 03:17:16 PM
ur taking this to another level ! I'm just having fun from my Dirah in isreal .sorry if anyone getting offended. But I do not like when people talk who no nothing and just post things which are coming from their a** :P:P
your the one posting bunk.


ETA I guess we cant expect better from a brisker bochur with internet in his dira.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:20:03 PM
your the one posting bunk.
[/quote this always happens on this forum. People argue and then so one says some comment that takes it to another league with the fighting. I think we were arguing nicely. However nice any argument can be . no need for other people to mix in.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 02, 2014, 03:22:44 PM
if the gemara says it then its not a bracha levatala because he's just learning.

If it's not a bracha then what's the point?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:22:46 PM
your the one posting bunk.


ETA I guess we cant expect better from a brisker bochur with internet in his dira.
never said I'm from brisk I just look up to aj. And I'm using someone's fone :-\
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yare on March 02, 2014, 03:23:00 PM
But one thing I can tell u. Ur sinas chinam is appalling. U should be ashamed at urself. I don't care if your right or not, but one thing I can tell u is the bai's hamikdash wasn't destroyed bec of a safek Bracha but it was destroyed bec ppl like you who are a complete disgrace to the Jews.
:o :o

Miles lover rots5 u seriously gotta take a chill.
ftfy
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:24:40 PM
If it's not a bracha then what's the point?
I just heard from one of the boys the gemara thing. I can't answer that q. I'm fine with saying he made a mistake if he said the bracha because I know many rabbis which didn't say it
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2014, 03:25:09 PM
I guess we cant expect better from a brisker bochur with internet in his dira.
+1
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2014, 03:25:59 PM
I just look up to aj.
oxymoron
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 03:27:42 PM
never said I'm from brisk I just look up to aj. And I'm using someone's fone :-\
Nah, no one just happens to idolize him. You learn there. Maybe by R dovid...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: avadah on March 02, 2014, 03:28:09 PM
never said I'm from brisk I just look up to aj. And I'm using someone's fone :-\

 :o :o :o you look up to him and call him aj?

Nah, no one just happens to idolize him. You learn there. Maybe by R dovid...
Nah R' Shalom or R' Tzvi.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 03:32:32 PM
So then if there were 300K, is that approximately 600K?
The point was simply that the term shishim ribo is not an exact number where if "there was 1 person less its a beracha levatala."
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:33:10 PM
OK guys I gotta go to night Seder keep it up !! I think we should make a pole whether or not it was a bracha levatala !!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 03:34:17 PM
:o :o :o you look up to him and call him aj?
Nah R' Shalom or R' Tzvi.
actually from the Mir but my dad has to do with brisk .so shut up kiddos
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 03:36:55 PM
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_8tkyk7emqlkt51mmx6qaxjzb58ahlqsp.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 03:37:24 PM
Geez what happened to my nice thread :P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Bostener on March 02, 2014, 03:40:25 PM
great place to get facts about the frum olam, the secular Israeli media  ::)
+1
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 03:42:14 PM
+1
+10000!!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Hiding on March 02, 2014, 03:44:32 PM
We need a wiki
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 03:46:57 PM
We need a wiki
for what?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 02, 2014, 03:48:58 PM
I just heard from one of the boys the gemara thing. I can't answer that q. I'm fine with saying he made a mistake if he said the bracha because I know many rabbis which didn't say it

So you were more comfortable with the theory that he did something that makes no sense than assuming he had wrong information about how many people were standing there?

Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2014, 03:49:50 PM
actually from the Mir but my dad has to do with brisk .so shut up kiddos
Scary to think that this guy is gonna be on the shidduch market in a year.....  ;D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Bostener on March 02, 2014, 03:50:39 PM
There are shitos in the reshonim that even by yotzei mitzrayim 600K was an approximation.


Source?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 03:52:30 PM
Scary to think that this guy is gonna be on the shidduch market in a year.....  ;D
+1 classic brisker ::)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 03:53:20 PM
(http://s1.kikar.net/th/data/auto/addonsmgr/lh/ciot5d0q__w660h440q80.jpg)

(http://s1.kikar.net/th/data/auto/addonsmgr/fd/xi8l4a1x__w660h440q80.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yare on March 02, 2014, 03:55:29 PM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/216032/hagaon-harav-yitzchok-zilberstein-shlita-to-recite-a-bracha-at-million-man-atzeres.html
lol  did you read the article you quoted??

"It is explained that on the one hand, 600,000 or more are expected to attend. On the other hand, one cannot be certain and in addition, one will not actually see 600,000 at one time. Rav Zilberstein stated that in our to be yotzei in line with all opinions, in line with the psak Halacha of the Chassam Sofer and in line with the practice of the Ponevezh Rov regarding the bracha of a Pidyon HaBen. One should learn the Halachos of the bracha and in this limud one should recite the bracha with Shem U’Malchus."

ie, it was not based on a possible (yet unnamed and probably non-existent) source that says shishim ribo could be a rough estimate.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: efflpetzel on March 02, 2014, 03:57:51 PM
MODS for heavens sakes please dump this trashy thread in meshy's shroom lounge, you guys sound like 2 year olds, why debate the numbers, who cares if it was 100,000 or 1 million, if you want an argument then debate the issue not the numbers
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 04:02:03 PM
lol  did you read the article you quoted??

"It is explained that on the one hand, 600,000 or more are expected to attend. On the other hand, one cannot be certain and in addition, one will not actually see 600,000 at one time. Rav Zilberstein stated that in our to be yotzei in line with all opinions, in line with the psak Halacha of the Chassam Sofer and in line with the practice of the Ponevezh Rov regarding the bracha of a Pidyon HaBen. One should learn the Halachos of the bracha and in this limud one should recite the bracha with Shem U’Malchus."

ie, it was not based on a possible (yet unnamed and probably non-existent) source that says shishim ribo could be a rough estimate.
lol
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 04:04:59 PM
(http://www.bhol.co.il/imagebank/orig/orig_9a03e14447b84423bc508504bd7b6f15.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: avadah on March 02, 2014, 04:09:10 PM
+1 classic wannabebrisker ::)
fify
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: avadah on March 02, 2014, 04:11:37 PM
actually from the Mir but my dad has to do with brisk .so shut up kiddos
How is a bais yeshaya guy a hotshot because his father has to do with brisk?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Fish Tank on March 02, 2014, 04:28:33 PM
I just read through this thread.

I'm not a posek, so I'm not going to take a stand on the shita of whether or not the situation qualified for the brochah.

What I do know is, that if R' Boruch Mordechia made the brochah, I would've also made it.

What I also know is, that I agree with rots5.

Miles lover is a bored bochur sitting in his dirah bashing rabbonim. That is unacceptable.

Rots5, you should be commended for sticking up for whats right.

yare, you came out of no where and told rots to calm down. please go back to no where and come back only after reading through the thread.

Hopefully this atzeres at least had an impact on the Israeli government.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 04:32:16 PM
Mods can we please move this thread to the 'just shmooze' board. Thanx
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yare on March 02, 2014, 04:36:20 PM
I just read through this thread.
obviously not (well)

Miles lover is a bored bochur sitting in his dirah bashing rabbonim.
quote me one post of his where he "bashed" any rabbonim

Rots5, you should be commended for sticking up for whats right.
he's following the thread about as well as you

yare, you came out of no where and told rots to calm down. please go back to no where and come back only after reading through the thread.
says the guy with 120 posts ???

Hopefully this atzeres at least had an impact on the Israeli government.
no shot, but nice daydream
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: philbenjoe on March 02, 2014, 04:38:30 PM
no shot, but nice daydream


Its alright to be optimistic....
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 04:47:39 PM
(http://www.col.org.il/pics/81306_3_26854_2819930932.jpg)

(http://www.col.org.il/pics/81306_6_2225_208868471.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 02, 2014, 04:50:27 PM
Cheers!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 02, 2014, 05:00:23 PM





http://shtieble.net/news/images/posts/2014/03/milon.mp4
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Red on March 02, 2014, 05:00:54 PM

Or for those who prefer not to have YouTube
http://shtieble.net/news/images/posts/2014/03/milon.mp4
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 05:05:24 PM
imagine what the american one will be like ;D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: rots5 on March 02, 2014, 06:05:20 PM
That's not exactly ahavas chinam either.
I'm also not claiming to know the halachos of bitul Bracha. Or going crazy about people who made the Bracha.

I think that someone having fun from his dirah getting upset about issuray deoraysas needs to think what he's doing.

In other words don't be so Frum on other peoples cheshbon. Keep that on the jersy shore.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: rots5 on March 02, 2014, 06:13:36 PM
Yare. I am calm. I don't care for little ppl like this bachur. He disespected anyone who made the bracha. And against who??? Big ppl. People who paskand. How can he? What type of world do u live in that sounds normal to u.

Yare let's get this straight u don't like me and I font give two craps But to thibk its normal for this piece of crap to say things like that? U brought urself to his level. Well done. U lost all respect from me and I'm sure a lot others.

PS. This is calm. :D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 06:16:11 PM
PS. This is calm. :D
;D ;D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 07:13:23 PM
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_ty8tiaplvgck72wnjsyzzakrpm5mdiwy.jpg)

What type of Chopper is this? a drone? :o
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_3qfo8ycnk2m7shzpwxtlbdejpjevwoep.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yare on March 02, 2014, 07:18:17 PM
Yare. I am calm. I don't care for little ppl like this bachur. He disespected anyone who made the bracha. And against who??? Big ppl. People who paskand. How can he? What type of world do u live in that sounds normal to u.

Yare let's get this straight u don't like me and I font give two craps But to thibk its normal for this piece of crap to say things like that? U brought urself to his level. Well done. U lost all respect from me and I'm sure a lot others.

PS. This is calm. :D
let's get a couple things straight.  some of us were created with something called sechel, and we use this gift to ask questions. including, but not limited to, why a bracha was made if there wasn't enough people.  and, yes, it also seems like it might have been a bracha l'vatala and that can be asked too. (those that were able to follow the thread got the answer to these questions; a brilliant concept, learning through questions and answers.) 

if you don't know anything about brachos feel free not to join the discussion.

if you are overly sensitive and can't bear to see questions which are related to a "rabbi who paskened" on topics a bit over your head, feel free to move on to a different thread.

overall, you sound like a brainwashed two year old, and you'd probably do yourself a favor just keeping it quiet at this point.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 07:26:14 PM
(http://www.col.org.il/pics/81306_3_26854_2819930932.jpg)
+1
Are they printing a Tanya there?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamDaMan on March 02, 2014, 07:26:45 PM
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_ty8tiaplvgck72wnjsyzzakrpm5mdiwy.jpg)

What type of Chopper is this? a drone? :o
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_3qfo8ycnk2m7shzpwxtlbdejpjevwoep.jpg)
yes
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 02, 2014, 07:28:13 PM
+1
Are they printing a Tanya there?
Yes.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/216166/chabad-to-print-tanya-at-the-million-man-atzeres.html
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 07:29:15 PM
+1
Are they printing a Tanya there?

Looks like yes Tanya were printed, looks like everyone had a fun time today  in the hood LOL

My guess is tomorrow is back to normal,  yeshiva hockline, bluebird, Dansdeals...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 07:33:49 PM
Looks like yes Tanya were printed, looks like everyone had a fun time today LOL
+100
Good - That's what Ahavas Yisroel is all about. 'Everyone had a fun time'. Together.
Everyone's goal is for what's best long term for the land of EY. So, we'll try with the right kavonos, etc...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 07:40:34 PM
let's get a couple things straight.  some of us were created with something called sechel, and we use this gift to ask questions. including, but not limited to, why a bracha was made if there wasn't enough people.  and, yes, it also seems like it might have been a bracha l'vatala and that can be asked too. (those that were able to follow the thread got the answer to these questions; a brilliant concept, learning through questions and answers.) 

if you don't know anything about brachos feel free not to join the discussion.

if you are overly sensitive and can't bear to see questions which are related to a "rabbi who paskened" on topics a bit over your head, feel free to move on to a different thread.

overall, you sound like a brainwashed two year old, and you'd probably do yourself a favor just keeping it quiet at this point.
+100
I Dont know how this all started from a calm argument in halacha.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 07:45:43 PM
So you were more comfortable with the theory that he did something that makes no sense than assuming he had wrong information about how many people were standing there?
well obviously if he made a straight out bracha he had information that there was over 600 but who says that info is right ?
So it could be he did the right thing based on what he heard but can still be a bracha levatala . so how exactly was I BASHING rabbanim ??
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 07:47:46 PM
I was also there today and honestly I don't have a CLUE how many ppl were there. With all the dust in the air and not a single helicopter in the sky and everyone spread out over such a large area I can't see how ANYONE, even a news station, could give an accurate number.
I guess that explains why the range is between 100K and 800K. Also, the secular media tends to give lower numbers than the religious media for this kind of thing (R' Ovadia's levaya....).
Could have been over 600K, could have been under. Who knows?
The photos toward the end of this link are from VERY high up.
If they can estimate that this is only a tenth of the crowd in one city at one time, then it could very well be over 600,000:
Good photos: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29292&alias=jerusalem-closed-off-for-protest
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 08:31:04 PM
Cant wait till american one ;D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 02, 2014, 08:52:45 PM
Part
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 02, 2014, 08:58:21 PM
I am trying to figure out what streets this is.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 02, 2014, 09:00:29 PM
I am trying to figure out what streets this is.
it looks like sarei yisrael and yaffa but not sure
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2014, 09:34:03 PM
WOW! I've never seen pics of such a big crowd since the protests in Egypt!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 02, 2014, 09:41:23 PM
A fraction of the crowd.
Police didn't let photograph by helicopter.
It spanned over a square mile of streets.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 09:49:07 PM
A fraction of the crowd.
Police didn't let photograph by helicopter.
It spanned over a square mile of streets.
if over a square mile, then it could definitely be over 600,000 people
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 02, 2014, 09:51:52 PM
Cant wait till american one ;D

Hopefully there will be hat racks @ the American version, unlike the Israeli version where hats were hanged on banner wood poles held by hand.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 02, 2014, 09:53:25 PM
Hopefully there will be hat racks @ the American version, unlike the Israeli version where hats were hanged on banner wood poles held by hand.
+1
As long as we don't have blizzard conditions. They definitely have the weather advantage over us for a great turnout.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 10:55:41 PM
Yeah but so far only 7 DDFers are for sure...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 02, 2014, 10:56:26 PM
Lets start klering about a brocha on seven people  :P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Aaaron on March 02, 2014, 11:17:26 PM
Is it just me or does that photo look shopped?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 02, 2014, 11:35:46 PM
Panorama
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Bostener on March 02, 2014, 11:40:18 PM
Mods can we please move this thread to the 'just shmooze' board. Thanx
Repost!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 03, 2014, 12:34:41 AM
Is it just me or does that photo look shopped?
it may have been a very wide lens, or they had to piece together several images due to spread out over 180 degrees...
(Like chabad Kinus picture.) Also, maybe the colored specs are the women? Or this was just the men march?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 12:36:59 AM
it may have been a very wide lens, or they had to piece together several images due to spread out over 180 degrees...
(Like chabad Kinus picture.) Also, maybe the colored specs are the women? Or this was just the men march?
men and women but seperate streets
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Deal Guy on March 03, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
I read in the Yated as well as in other places, that nothing is really slated to take affect until 2017, and Gafni and the other MK's know that (and by then there will be new elections, and anything can happen then...). In fact, I understand that anyone can now join the workforce for the next few years even without army service, as opposed to before where you needed to have been in the army to get a good job. So its really not an issue now at all for the next few years. I understand the point of the protest and the statement they made, but just wondering if there are there any ramifications of the law right now?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 01:13:59 AM
I read in the Yated as well as in other places, that nothing is really slated to take affect until 2017, and Gafni and the other MK's know that (and by then there will be new elections, and anything can happen then...). In fact, I understand that anyone can now join the workforce for the next few years even without army service, as opposed to before where you needed to have been in the army to get a good job. So its really not an issue now at all for the next few years. I understand the point of the protest and the statement they made, but just wondering if there are there any ramifications of the law right now?
+1 i heard similar and that Lapid is in danger of loosing seats at the next elections...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: casualchurner on March 03, 2014, 02:11:49 AM
The photos toward the end of this link are from VERY high up.
If they can estimate that this is only a tenth of the crowd in one city at one time, then it could very well be over 600,000:
Good photos: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29292&alias=jerusalem-closed-off-for-protest
Wow! Awesome pics! Ya it's definitely hundreds of thousands!! I guess we'll never know exactly how many ppl there were. Either way I think it was a huge kiddush hshem!!!!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Dr Moose on March 03, 2014, 02:32:12 AM
What type of Chopper is this? a drone? :o
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_3qfo8ycnk2m7shzpwxtlbdejpjevwoep.jpg)
UFO?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: satturn on March 03, 2014, 04:13:53 AM
I read in the Yated as well as in other places, that nothing is really slated to take affect until 2017, and Gafni and the other MK's know that (and by then there will be new elections, and anything can happen then...). In fact, I understand that anyone can now join the workforce for the next few years even without army service, as opposed to before where you needed to have been in the army to get a good job. So its really not an issue now at all for the next few years. I understand the point of the protest and the statement they made, but just wondering if there are there any ramifications of the law right now?

+1 I read the proposal, its not such a "gezeros Shmad" the reason for the atzeres was primarily to protest the irreligious trying to control torah learning in any way. Even if the final "gezerah" is not so bad, its showing that the non religious can control how and when we learn. That why many  dati leumi rabbanim told their people to go.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Bostener on March 03, 2014, 04:21:25 AM
I read the proposal, its not such a "gezeros Shmad" the reason for the atzeres was primarily to protest the irreligious trying to control torah learning in any way. Even if the final "gezerah" is not so bad, its showing that the non religious can control how and when we learn. That why many  dati leumi rabbanim told their people to go.

Well said.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: rots5 on March 03, 2014, 05:38:43 AM
@yare not related. But I take putting down gedolay hadar very seriously. Wonder what there teaching u in RE.


Does anyone know if this was also related to the government stopping to give money to Americans?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 03, 2014, 07:03:41 AM
+1 I read the proposal, its not such a "gezeros Shmad" the reason for the atzeres was primarily to protest the irreligious trying to control torah learning in any way. Even if the final "gezerah" is not so bad, its showing that the non religious can control how and when we learn. That why many  dati leumi rabbanim told their people to go.

Not only that, the non religious control when we go to the bathroom.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: miles lover on March 03, 2014, 07:43:34 AM
@yare not related. But I take putting down gedolay hadar very seriously. Wonder what there teaching u in RE.


Does anyone know if this was also related to the government stopping to give money to Americans?
rots 5 . look over the posts and tell me whose putting down any gedolei Torah. I take it very seriously when u take things out of peoples mouthes and hold it against them.
I didn't mean in anyway to make this a fight, and that people should mention shidduchim and things who r they ?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 03, 2014, 07:51:59 AM
rots 5 . look over the posts and tell me whose putting down any gedolei Torah. I take it very seriously when u take things out of peoples mouthes and hold it against them.
I didn't mean in anyway to make this a fight, and that people should mention shidduchim and things who r they ?
It was your attitude.
Just take it easy, no one will get hurt. ;)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: rots5 on March 03, 2014, 08:35:06 AM
rots 5 . look over the posts and tell me whose putting down any gedolei Torah. I take it very seriously when u take things out of peoples mouthes and hold it against them.
I didn't mean in anyway to make this a fight, and that people should mention shidduchim and things who r they ?
Never mentioned shidduchim. There's a girl out there for u. Trust me...

When Is this happening in america?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Something Fishy on March 03, 2014, 09:01:38 AM
What type of Chopper is this? a drone? :o
(http://www.vosizneias.com/assets/uploads/news_photos/thumbnails/700_3qfo8ycnk2m7shzpwxtlbdejpjevwoep.jpg)

It's a DJI Phantom with a GoPro mounted.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1026218-REG/dji_phantom_quadcopter_version_1_1_1.html
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: shmuelb on March 03, 2014, 09:05:07 AM
I heard that the main point was that it was a chilul Hashem that they had such a law "passed" and to counter that, we made a Kidush Hashem.

It was really very beautiful and chilled! I was there in the pic above. That was not even the big crowd, much more ppl were in front of Binyanei Hauma, gesher Hameitarim. Also Malchei Yisroel...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: philbenjoe on March 03, 2014, 09:19:58 AM
Repost!
??? Didn't see someone else post this!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 12:27:16 PM
Never mentioned shidduchim. There's a girl out there for u. Trust me...

When Is this happening in america?
next sunday lowerManhattan
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: rots5 on March 03, 2014, 12:45:29 PM
next sunday lowerManhattan
Why didnt they do it the same time?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 03, 2014, 12:59:36 PM
Why didnt they do it the same time?
+1 could've been very effective.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Myls311 on March 03, 2014, 01:38:16 PM
+1 could've been very effective.
takes longer to plan these things here
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamDaMan on March 03, 2014, 02:13:27 PM
The Jerusalem police just confirmed, the last demonstartor just left the area. He is a Brisker who got stuck on the ECHAD of kabolas ol malchus shamayim
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ChAiM'l on March 03, 2014, 02:16:44 PM
Cue the Amshinov jokes...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 03, 2014, 02:19:43 PM
Cue the Amshinov jokes...
Not yet!  :o
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
We r up to 11 participators in the american version ;D
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: HP58 on March 03, 2014, 02:26:41 PM
We r up to 11 participators in the american version ;D
Quite a long way to a mil...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 02:52:18 PM
Quite a long way to a mil...
maybe we can find a heter dor a brocha on a minyan :P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 03, 2014, 03:09:00 PM
We r up to 11 participators in the american version ;D

If I get rewarded with points or miles I'm in the atzeres.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 03, 2014, 03:56:36 PM
Cue the Amshinov jokes...
Maybe that's why the American one is later. ;)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamKey on March 03, 2014, 04:14:54 PM
Cue the Amshinov jokes...
He actually walked to this one because it was still shabbos for him
#truestory
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamKey on March 03, 2014, 04:17:49 PM
That why many  dati leumi rabbanim told their people to go.
Anyone here also find it interesting how they were the only Jewish group that consider themselves religious that did not attend?
(yes I do intend on taking this the way of the ring thread)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 03, 2014, 05:43:45 PM
Anyone here also find it interesting how they were the only Jewish group that consider themselves religious that did not attend?
(yes I do intend on taking this the way of the ring thread)

A big part of the DL in Israel are going the way of the reform.
There, I said it.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 03, 2014, 06:36:01 PM

A big part of the DL in Israel are going the way of the reform.
There, I said it.
FTFY
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 07:01:18 PM
Sunday 2pm water street
Title: million man atzeres
Post by: davidb on March 03, 2014, 08:06:33 PM
Sunday 2pm water street
im waiting for the politics to start is BMG going? Which rosh yeshivas are coming but usually comes out later!!!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 03, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
I say R Meir Stern wont take passaic
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2014, 11:26:52 PM
I say R Meir Stern wont take passaic
Their dinner is Sunday
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: mb1 on March 04, 2014, 12:04:23 AM
much later, time for both
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 04, 2014, 02:04:31 AM
Their dinner is Sunday
like i said ;D but i don't think it would have happened anyways. Classic siyata dishmaya for him not to have to make the call
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Deal Guy on March 04, 2014, 04:19:27 AM
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: shmuelb on March 04, 2014, 08:43:59 AM
Re: Brocha, there was an article in Yated Hebrew today about it, with Shu"t from Rav Chaim Kanievsky Shlita. The point of some posters here was that if Rav Zilberstein or whoever says the Bracha, to imply that it was thoughtless, careless etc, as if they do not care about brocha levatala, is sheer unintelligence and chutzpa. Even if there were 2 mil. Rav AJ would still not make the brocha maybe. That is fine, that is the brisker mehalach, but it does not have bearing on other Rabbanim following their shita in halacha.

Can someone find and post the letter from Rav Shmuel Eliyahu about why he is supporting the Atzeres even though he is from the DL community? He is the Rav of Tzfas. Almost no DL ppl came. I heard and can agree that it was better that they did not come, it would have diluted the impact. Now everyone sees that almost a million Charedi ppl got together. It is their loss, whoever missed the event.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 04, 2014, 08:48:27 AM
im waiting for the politics to start is BMG going? Which rosh yeshivas are coming but usually comes out later!!!

http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2014/03/lakewood-roshei-yeshivah-endorse-atzeres-tfillah-gathering-in-new-york.html
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: shmuelb on March 04, 2014, 08:51:24 AM
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?

In NY, they can explain that the law is aimed specifically at religious men to criminalize their studies It is not about the needs of the army as the army does not want Charedim. Also, any "non-charedi" who does not enlist in the army is not subject to parallel laws.

Also in the wars fought by America, Yeshiva students, and all divinity students, were exempt from the draft. It is universally accepted.

Some DL "rabbi" was on the media last night quoting the Rambam and explaining why he did not go to the Atzeres Tefila. He agreed that if someone wants to dedicate his life to learning, he is patur from the army, as was in the wars in our history, but that is only for shevet Levi. This "rabbi" did not know that the Rambam also writes "lo Shevet Levi bilvad" I think every 12 year old frum bachur knows that Rambam.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 04, 2014, 09:10:18 AM
During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
No but Rabbinical students (as well as other religions) were exempt.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: philbenjoe on March 04, 2014, 09:22:33 AM
Who exactly are you trying to explain it to? The US goverment? Its enough that the goverment in Israel sees an overwhelming support in america to the chareidim which mounts more pressure on them due to tourism etc....
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamKey on March 04, 2014, 09:28:35 AM
Trying to understand the point of such a protest in Manhattan or rather how you can explain to New Yorkers the meaning of such a protest. If Ch'vs there was a reason for a draft or call up in the USA as in WW2, I don't think yeshivah guys would get a pass. Of course I believe that in Israel they should leave the yeshiva guys alone, but how to you explain to New Yorkers in Manhattan the reason for the protest? Won't they simply say, that since Israel is constantly on alert with their neighbors, that everyone needs to be drafted? During WW2, did college guys get off the hook?
What wrong with the way BBC understands it http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-26412295
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 04, 2014, 10:25:08 AM
No but Rabbinical students (as well as other religions) were exempt.
exactly and the point is is that they arent truly needed
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 04, 2014, 10:49:50 AM
exactly and the point is is that they arent truly needed
The point is actually that they are needed for Torah learning...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: aygart on March 04, 2014, 11:23:20 AM
like i said ;D but i don't think it would have happened anyways. Classic siyata dishmaya for him not to have to make the call
Yup. On the same night as the internet asifa at citi field the Yeshiva Ketana of Passaic had their dinner...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 05, 2014, 10:25:26 AM
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2014, 10:29:55 AM
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/
They were sleeping? at least some of them were up learning...
הנה לא ינום ולא ישן שומר ישראל
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 05, 2014, 11:01:17 AM
Glad everyone at the  "atzeres" slept very well last night, while the IDF was working hard to protect the atzeres goers:
http://www.vosizneias.com/157208/2014/03/05/jerusalem-israel-naval-raid-seizes-gaza-bound-iranian-arms/
Do you honestly beleive that Israel is the safest place for a Jew to live?
Personally I think that a small country surrounded by billions of arabs is the most dangerous place for Jews, even with the "mighty IDF".
 How many Jews have been killed over the last 60 years in Israel with the protection of the Mighty IDF? How many killed in the USA, Europe?
With all due respect, you're in lala land.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 05, 2014, 11:15:43 AM
Do you honestly beleive that Israel is the safest place for a Jew to live?
Personally I think that a small country surrounded by billions of arabs is the most dangerous place for Jews, even with the "mighty IDF".
 How many Jews have been killed over the last 60 years in Israel with the protection of the Mighty IDF? How many killed in the USA, Europe?
With all due respect, you're in lala land.
less Jews have been killed in Israel in the past 20 years due to suicide bombers than in the USA and Europe. (However, more Jews die in Israel in auto accidents than suicide bombings)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 05, 2014, 11:17:09 AM
When you only believe in kochi veotzem yadi, all is fine for you....
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2014, 11:17:29 AM
less Jews have been killed in Israel in the past 20 years due to suicide bombers than in the USA and Europe. (However, more Jews die in Israel in auto accidents than suicide bombings)
???
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 05, 2014, 11:22:31 AM
???
#1 - Our learning and Mitzvos help. Obviously in an active war (i.e. Yom Kippur War), everyone would be required to be more involved and many to join and assist.
#2 - that quote is to parallel with the number of Jews killed in America during the September 11 attacks,
           and the French suicide bombing in front of the school, etc... Specifically 'suicide bombings'. Perhaps rocket #s are higher.. Not sure;
            however, I believe that are are to live in a manner that EY is a safe place to be...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 05, 2014, 12:15:31 PM
Do you honestly beleive that Israel is the safest place for a Jew to live?
Personally I think that a small country surrounded by billions of arabs is the most dangerous place for Jews, even with the "mighty IDF".
 How many Jews have been killed over the last 60 years in Israel with the protection of the Mighty IDF? How many killed in the USA, Europe?
With all due respect, you're in lala land.

There are pros and cons about living anywhere, I have news to tell you up untill 40 or 50 years ago it was not very pleasant to live as a Jew in the United States as Jews, it is only a very new thing that Jews live well in the United States and canada, and yes a Jew living in israel is way better off then a Jew living in Muslim countries even when times were so called good, Jew in a muslim countries were like the Christians today living in Muslims lands being treated as second class citizens, a secular Jew living in Europe has no future of marrying a Jew, a frum Jew in Europe has a bigger chance of being ganged up by arab thugs then a Jew in yerushalyim, there is something to say about a jew protecting a jew which is only in Israel.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 05, 2014, 12:23:31 PM
Ner yisrael is sending buses for anyone who wants to pay 25
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 05, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
Ner yisrael is sending buses for anyone who wants to pay 25
+1
Nice.  Round trip?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 08, 2014, 08:23:03 PM
Passaic yeshiva is going
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: mow on March 08, 2014, 08:28:20 PM

Passaic yeshiva is going
If they go it means everyone is
He doesn't want to be porush min hatzibur
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 08, 2014, 08:30:16 PM
The poll should be edited to include people who don't live in the NY metro
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 08, 2014, 08:34:01 PM
Done
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 08, 2014, 08:43:53 PM
SHould be modified to distinguish between people living in NY and not attending and people who don't live in NY.

Anyone coming in from more than 2 hours away is crazy
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: kracked dude on March 08, 2014, 08:52:54 PM
Anyone know if you need to get past security to get in? If yes where is the entrance? Closest subway stop? Best line to take from bp?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 08:57:38 PM
How far away is the world financial center ferry terminal? Is there a subway to the event?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Super Speed on March 08, 2014, 08:58:53 PM
What is the best way to get there from Newark?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 09:16:25 PM
Path?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 09:25:25 PM
What's with parking by the Staten island ferry?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 08, 2014, 09:27:21 PM
How far away is the world financial center ferry terminal? Is there a subway to the event?
Path?
No PATH or WTC ferry service to downtown on weekends.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 08, 2014, 09:28:31 PM

What's with parking by the Staten island ferry?
Don't you think that half of lakewood will try the same thing?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Super Speed on March 08, 2014, 09:36:48 PM

Don't you think that half of lakewood will try the same thing?
Probably.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 09:37:10 PM
No PATH or WTC ferry service to downtown on weekends.
this one runs http://www.libertylandingferry.com/weekend-schedule.aspx
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 09:37:44 PM
Don't you think that half of lakewood will try the same thing?
you're saying that parking is very limited?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 08, 2014, 09:47:17 PM
Check out atzerestefillah.org
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 09:52:18 PM
How about parking in downtont BK, is it free?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 08, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
you're saying that parking is very limited?
There are no municipal lots. Only private and street parking.
You can try PATH to Midtown and take the subway from there.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 08, 2014, 10:19:44 PM
There are no municipal lots. Only private and street parking.
You can try PATH to Midtown and take the subway from there.
http://www.siferry.com/SIFerry_Schedules.aspx
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 08, 2014, 11:06:15 PM
Passaic yeshiva is going
Chabad Rabbis asked residents to attend:
Quote: "Crown Heights rabbis urged residents to partake in the gathering in lower Manhattan this Sunday against Israel's draft bill."
Link: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29366&alias=rabbis-call-to-join-frum-protest
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: kracked dude on March 08, 2014, 11:08:34 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/09/zahamuzy.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 08, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
Chabad Rabbis asked residents to attend:
Quote: "Crown Heights rabbis urged residents to partake in the gathering in lower Manhattan this Sunday against Israel's draft bill."
Link: http://collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=29366&alias=rabbis-call-to-join-frum-protest
DO? :)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: BigDanFan on March 08, 2014, 11:32:24 PM
DO? :)
+1
Great idea!
I won't be there but at least another 25-50 DDF guys will prob be there.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 08, 2014, 11:39:26 PM

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/09/zahamuzy.jpg)

Here is one you can read:
(http://www.matziv.com/pictures/map-layoutatzeres.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 08, 2014, 11:51:39 PM

How far away is the world financial center ferry terminal? Is there a subway to the event?
13 minute walk from WTC

Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamDaMan on March 08, 2014, 11:56:55 PM
I'll b there and in for do
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 09, 2014, 12:02:33 AM
@cbc
Why is that better than the SI  ferry?

I'm thinking about the SI   ferry,  but I'm worried about the parking situation.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 12:08:05 AM
@cbc
Why is that better than the SI  ferry?

I'm thinking about the SI   ferry,  but I'm worried about the parking situation.
tolls? OTH SI is free, other one is 14
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 12:09:07 AM
@cbc
Why is that better than the SI  ferry?

I'm thinking about the SI   ferry,  but I'm worried about the parking situation.
it looks like there are over 1k parking spots by SI, not enough?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 09, 2014, 12:12:04 AM
tolls? OTH SI is free, other one is 14
Where does it depart from?

it looks like there are over 1k parking spots by SI, not enough?
I have no idea. I heard the ferry sschedule was posted in bmg,  so I'm sure alot of people will be doing that way. 

 And where do you get the 1k number from,  of you dont mind me asking. .. ?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 12:13:58 AM
it looks like there are over 1k parking spots by SI, not enough?
At the ferry there are 221, at St. George Courthouse there are 719.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 12:15:00 AM
Where does it depart from?
I have no idea. I heard the ferry sschedule was posted in bmg,  so I'm sure alot of people will be doing that way. 
Running on the half hour both ways.
And where do you get the 1k number from,  of you dont mind me asking. .. ?
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/parkinglist.shtml#richmond
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 09, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
At the ferry there are 221, at St. George Courthouse there are 719.
Where's that? How far of a walk from the ferry?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 09, 2014, 12:17:21 AM
Poll is still flawed. 

Should be an option for "I don't live in NY,  and I'm not going" as pg suggested. . .
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 12:21:51 AM
Where's that? How far of a walk from the ferry?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 12:24:24 AM
Anyone know cheapest PATH station to park at? For Journal Square here is what I have found:
http://www.thenewjournalsquare.com/js_parking_rates.asp (http://www.thenewjournalsquare.com/js_parking_rates.asp)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 09, 2014, 12:48:00 AM
Woah just schmooze !!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 09, 2014, 12:50:56 AM

Thanx.  Any idea what it costs?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Saver2000 on March 09, 2014, 01:08:00 AM
Thanx.  Any idea what it costs?

http://www.nyc.gov/html/dot/html/motorist/parkinglist.shtml
1.75/hour
$2 each additional hour
$8 max

Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: shmuelb on March 09, 2014, 08:09:22 AM
How many attendees are they expecting?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 08:15:24 AM
Anyone know cheapest PATH station to park at? For Journal Square here is what I have found:
http://www.thenewjournalsquare.com/js_parking_rates.asp (http://www.thenewjournalsquare.com/js_parking_rates.asp)
how much is the PATH?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 09:34:28 AM

how much is the PATH?




$2.50 (http://www.panynj.gov/path/fares-10-1-13.html)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 09:36:21 AM



$2.50 (http://www.panynj.gov/path/fares-10-1-13.html)
PATH Services
Newark - World Trade Center:
Operates all times.
Saturdays & Sundays: Terminates at Journal Square. Transfer to Journal Square - 33 Street (via Hoboken) train for service to New York. No service to/from Exchange Place or World Trade Center.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 10:50:35 AM
Secaucus / Hoboken are viable options as well (Secaucus is $9 Parking on Sundays).
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2014, 12:03:47 PM
@cbc
Why is that better than the SI  ferry?

I'm thinking about the SI   ferry,  but I'm worried about the parking situation.
I'm worried that the ferries will fill up and people will need to wait for the next one and maybe two before getting on and then have the same for the way back.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Crazy tools on March 09, 2014, 12:07:25 PM
I'm worried that the ferries will fill up and people will need to wait for the next one and maybe two before getting on and then have the same for the way back.
Capacity on the ferry is 5k. I really doubt it'll fill up
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2014, 12:36:28 PM
Didn't realize they can hold that many.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: chevron on March 09, 2014, 12:39:23 PM
atzeres tihiye lachem, kol meleches avodah lo sasu, yes sums it up, learn in kollel is what god wants from all of us
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Aaaron on March 09, 2014, 12:44:25 PM
atzeres tihiye lachem, kol meleches avodah lo sasu, yes sums it up, learn in kollel is what god wants from all of us

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Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Rivky on March 09, 2014, 12:51:45 PM
So wheres the best place to park for cheap that I can take a train or cab nearby? THANKS!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 12:58:22 PM
My boat arrived. Liberty state park
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 09, 2014, 03:23:47 PM
Anyone else here?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Super Speed on March 09, 2014, 03:25:07 PM
It seems CBC and PG are!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 09, 2014, 04:48:55 PM
It was an amazing Kiddush Hashem!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 09, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 09, 2014, 04:58:29 PM
how many people?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Red on March 09, 2014, 05:31:34 PM
how many people?
Estimates range from 100k to 800k.   :P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: casualchurner on March 09, 2014, 06:11:41 PM
Estimates range from 100k to 800k.   :P
+100K-800K
 :P
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 07:13:28 PM
atzeres tihiye lachem, kol meleches avodah lo sasu, yes sums it up, learn in kollel is what god wants from all of us
I personally davend that the sinister hatred of chareidim and bney Torah should stop.

Go read talkbacks/ comments on Israeli or modox sites. They would make Himmler proud! I'm bring serious btw.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 09, 2014, 07:16:27 PM
Go read talkbacks/ comments on Israeli or modox sites. They would make Himmler proud! I'm bring serious btw.

Like this comment I saw  :P
Quote
Swan • 3 hours ago
I thought today was the Shabbat. Did they all walk from Brooklyn?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Aaaron on March 09, 2014, 07:33:05 PM
I personally davend that the sinister hatred of chareidim and bney Torah should stop.

Go read talkbacks/ comments on Israeli or modox sites. They would make Himmler proud! I'm bring serious btw.

And Godwin's Law gets invoked again...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Baruch on March 09, 2014, 07:38:49 PM
I went.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 09, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: davidb on March 09, 2014, 07:50:30 PM


wow crazy
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 09, 2014, 07:51:23 PM
And Godwin's Law gets invoked again...
Wtvr. Bl'n I'll post you some links later  so you can see for yourself.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Aaaron on March 09, 2014, 08:08:36 PM
Wtvr. Bl'n I'll post you some links later  so you can see for yourself.

Please do.  I'm curious  :)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: chevron on March 09, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
I personally davend that the sinister hatred of chareidim and bney Torah should stop.

Go read talkbacks/ comments on Israeli or modox sites. They would make Himmler proud! I'm bring serious btw.

you mean all the fryaki's in Israel should not go to army ?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 09, 2014, 09:12:04 PM
Love these bling coats.

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Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamDaMan on March 10, 2014, 01:08:24 AM
How Many People Attended The Atzeres Tefillah In Manhattan? Ynet (Hebrew): 150,000 people. Haaretz (Hebrew): 50,000 people. Bichadrei Charedim: 150,000 people. Kikar Shabbat: 150,000 people. Ladaat: Tens of thousands of people. JDN: 150,000 people.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: CS1 on March 10, 2014, 01:17:10 AM
Yahoo (Associated Press) News Link: http://news.yahoo.com/orthodox-nyc-jews-protest-proposed-israeli-draft-173200761.html
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: zale on March 10, 2014, 01:59:35 AM
It was an amazing Kiddush Hashem!

How so?

There isn't a single positive comment on any secular news site that carried this story. In fact, this appears to have been a huge Chillul Hashem, in effect telling the whole world that Judaism teaches to mooch off of the government and not provide any physical service in return.

The most recent Israeli elections speaks volumes about how Chareidim are perceived in Israel, and they have been booted in large part from the Knesset.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ual902 on March 10, 2014, 02:10:01 AM
Yeah read the comments here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-orthodox-jews-protest-israeli-draft-article-1.1715987
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Deal Guy on March 10, 2014, 02:33:38 AM
Yeah read the comments here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-orthodox-jews-protest-israeli-draft-article-1.1715987
Reading the comments reminds me what I asked over here:
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39067.msg751442#msg751442
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 07:47:06 AM
A kiddush Hashem has nothing to do with how our anti-Semitic friends perceive it. And definitely nothing to do with how the amei Haaretz see it.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: shmuelb on March 10, 2014, 08:28:59 AM
How so?

There isn't a single positive comment on any secular news site that carried this story. In fact, this appears to have been a huge Chillul Hashem, in effect telling the whole world that Judaism teaches to mooch off of the government and not provide any physical service in return.

Just because you and "chevron" do not understand the musag of Charedi Daas Torah, it does not mean anything about what is a CH and a KH.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 10, 2014, 08:31:33 AM
Some just don't get it, they are obsessed with the idea that our tachlis in life is to impress and find favor in the eyes of the nations.
For them nothing else matters. Torah and mitzvos can only be fulfilled to the extent that the gentiles approve. If we even dress differently its already a "Chillul hashem". How shallow is yiddishkeit for some. Nebach!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Menachem613 on March 10, 2014, 08:43:05 AM

Just because you and "chevron" do not understand the musag of Charedi Daas Torah, it does not mean anything about what is a CH and a KH.

They understand; they just disagree.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 08:44:51 AM
Pretty well said.
Once it was only the Hilonim with this נהיה ככל הגויים attitude. It regrettably expanded to the DL.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 08:47:39 AM
They understand; they just disagree.

It stays Daas Torah and frum Jews follow that.
Some Modox "Rabbi" opinion doesn't change that.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: puddles on March 10, 2014, 08:56:41 AM
How so?

There isn't a single positive comment on any secular news site that carried this story. In fact, this appears to have been a huge Chillul Hashem, in effect telling the whole world that Judaism teaches to mooch off of the government and not provide any physical service in return.

The most recent Israeli elections speaks volumes about how Chareidim are perceived in Israel, and they have been booted in large part from the Knesset.
+1000. Could not have said it better myself.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 08:58:30 AM
Just because you and "chevron" do not understand the musag of Charedi Daas Torah, it does not mean anything about what is a CH and a KH.
You have yet to explain how we were mekadesh shem shaim

My understanding is that the main goal is to show that charedim stand unified and can act together if ch"v needed. It is perhaps a kiddush hashem just showing so many people who are willing to give their life for g'd.

Pretty well said.
Once it was only the Hilonim with this נהיה ככל הגויים attitude. It regrettably expanded to the DL.
What are you talking about?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 09:07:16 AM
What are you talking about?

Precisely that. I am being blunt.
How many DL's hide their kipot at work?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 09:08:27 AM
+1000. Could not have said it better myself.

When Hilonim vote against Haredim doesn't change anything.
It shows that kofrim hate frum Jews. Always have.
The mizrachi are the same, but that's sin'as amei haaretz letalmid chacham.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 09:16:08 AM
How many DL's hide their kipot at work?
Just as many as haredim who work. The difference is that many haredim don't work and instead ask those who do take off their yarmulkes to support them. It's not a joke I see it every single day in my shul.

(btw I'm not saying that they shouldn't be asking for others to support them, because they should, but you can't then condemn them for doing what it takes to earn the money)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 09:21:16 AM
Just as many as haredim who work. The difference is that many haredim don't work and instead ask those who do take off their yarmulkes to support them. It's not a joke I see it every single day in my shul.

(btw I'm not saying that they shouldn't be asking for others to support them, because they should, but you can't then condemn them for doing what it takes to earn the money)

The vast majority of Haredim work.
It would be nice if you wouldn't buy every lie that the secular spew.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 10, 2014, 09:36:03 AM
A kiddush Hashem has nothing to do with how our anti-Semitic friends perceive it. And definitely nothing to do with how the amei Haaretz see it.
+1,000,000
Huge misconception out there.
If you are doing the right thing, it does not matter what others think.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: SamKey on March 10, 2014, 09:38:03 AM
Yeah read the comments here:

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/thousands-orthodox-jews-protest-israeli-draft-article-1.1715987
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emoticons/sick/vomit-in-paper-bag-smiley-emoticon.gif)
I only hope people that comment on these pages are really just the bored ones
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: zale on March 10, 2014, 10:23:58 AM
The vast majority of Haredim work.
It would be nice if you wouldn't buy every lie that the secular spew.

Large numbers of Chareidim in Israel do NOT work and do NOT pay taxes. This is not a secular lie, there is actual data to back this up. Contrary to your apparent opinion, not every secular Israeli hates Frum people, but they will certainly not tolerate a group of people mooching of the government and contributing NOTHING in return. If these groups would at least provide MORAL support to the government or to the army that would be one thing (like Chabad does), but NO, they criticize and curse the government and plaster Meah Shearim with anti-government signs making the whole neighborhood look like a slum.

Using the Torah as a basis to mooch off the government is the absolute greatest Chillul Hashem one can make. How can you walk around saying the Torah commands us to be fruitful and multiply and then use the money from taxpayers to support a large family? It would be a major Kiddush Hashem to work your butt off to support those children, then you are showing that you will follow the Torah, no matter how big the burden is on you.

If there is one country that is fed up with this, it's Israel. The Chareidim can make this right, but they have to be willing to do so. 
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 10:25:43 AM
btw, those kooks in MS don't take a dime from the government FYI.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 10:29:37 AM
This is supposedly a Jewish state.
How about your average charedi resents that his fellow Jew eats pork, is mechalel shabbos, is megale arayos etc. etc.
How about sharing the burden?
The government spends way more for the secular per capita than for charedim.
Who uses all the sports funding?
The theaters funding?
Universities for mada'ei ha'ruach?
The entire police units for busting gangs?
Entire Shabak division for lawless mizrachists?
The jails full of murderers?
The jails full of rapists?

Charedim consume a lot and there is a tax on everything. Buying houses and so much more.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: zale on March 10, 2014, 10:30:43 AM
btw, those kooks in MS don't take a dime from the government FYI.

Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 10:31:41 AM
Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.

I'm not even talking about those people as they want the dissolution of the state.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 10:31:58 AM
btw, those kooks in MS don't take a dime from the government FYI.
Oh yes they do. It's just the schools that are independent. You won't find them volunteering to pay hospital bills instead of the government (except for a few lunatics that do home births and etc).
Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.
The incremental cost to securing the MS population is minimal, if it all. The army is defending land, not people. The arabs want the land, not the bodies.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 10:38:40 AM

How about your average charedi resents that his fellow Jew eats pork, is mechalel shabbos, is megale arayos etc. etc.
So?

How about sharing the burden?

Again, what are you talking about?

Who uses all the sports funding?
The theaters funding?
Universities for mada'ei ha'ruach?
The entire police units for busting gangs?
Entire Shabak division for lawless mizrachists?
The jails full of murderers?
The jails full of rapists?
Every single one of those contributes to the entire states residents. (Israel's standing amongst the other countries in the world establishes the Shekel as a currency which allows you to buy foreign goods)

Charedim consume a lot and there is a tax on everything.
That doesn't help if they're using gov't funding for the purchases. If the government gives someone $100, and he buys $100 of goods, the $17 taxes are coming from the govt, not his pocket.



Buying houses and so much more.
Although it's not what you said, it's true that presence of the premier makom torah in yerushalaim contributes to the extremely high real estate prices which directly benefit the government.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yare on March 10, 2014, 10:39:07 AM
The most recent Israeli elections speaks volumes about how Chareidim are perceived in Israel, and they have been booted in large part from the Knesset.
ignorant comment. the recent israeli election gave the chareidim just as many seats in knesset as they ever have. they have been booted from nowhere. the coalition that was formed didn't include them (for the moment), but that has nothing to do with peoples votes or the "perception" in israel.

Except that their security is guaranteed by their Chazzer-fressing, Mechalel Shabbos, Pritzus-loving bretheren who spill their blood on behalf of the Tzaddikim that live in Meah Shearim.

another ignorant comment. those that live in meah shearim posting anti zionist pashkavilim were there long before their chazzer fressing zionist brethren decided israel would be a convenient place for a zionistic stand. and they never had a need or want for anyones security, other than Gd. 

get your facts straight before spewing.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 10:54:00 AM
Again, what are you talking about?
Every single one of those contributes to the entire states residents.

If everyone would have been charedi, they wouldn't need all this costs for sports teams, gang busters, theaters, jails for murderers and rapists and so much more.
I resent my tax dollars that I spend when I'm there going to fund this garbage.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 10:58:31 AM
If everyone would have been charedi, they wouldn't need all this costs for sports teams, gang busters, theaters, jails for murderers and rapists and so much more.

Israel would be a 3rd world country, the shekel would be unstable and very low compared to the dollar, so you would have difficulty buying foreign goods (like Israel has in it's first 20 years). Not to mention cost of debt would be at least 10% more, like other 3rd world countries.


Theaters are a business not government funded.

There are frum criminals - I know quite a few myself. You still need police and jails for them.


Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Aaaron on March 10, 2014, 11:01:26 AM
If everyone would have been charedi, they wouldn't need all this costs for sports teams, gang busters, theaters, jails for murderers and rapists and so much more.
I resent my tax dollars that I spend when I'm there going to fund this garbage.

Right, because there are no Chareidi murderers, rapists, sexual deviants, drug users, etc.  ::)

You're truly delusional.

Here come no true Scotsman. 
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: shmuelb on March 10, 2014, 11:04:26 AM
SPEW! (special for Tolik ;) )

The army is not protecting those who learn Torah, it is the other way around. Rav Kook himself wrote that one who sits and learns Torah is doing more for the state than one who joins the army and fights.

Haredi participation in the workplace in Israel is much higher than some of you think. I personally paid the gov. direct taxes in the last 12 months over 45 thousand shekel. I get 340 shekel Kollel stipend, we pay bituach leumi double and we get 840 shekel children's allowance, which is in lieu of dependant deductible on income tax,

If you want to know what sharing the burden means, read the back of the 200 shekel bill.

It is a joke to call Haredim mooching off the gov and not working. Almost all Kollel wives work and many avreichim do too. You have a problem that they are not like you? They should live to work and work to live?!? They follow Rav Kook that Hashem gave us the Torah to live and to learn, if they choose to learn more and earn less, that is beautiful! If you want to go to the army and serve, kol hakovode!! Any Haredi can do that too, though even DL Rabbis agree that the army is not the right place for haredis. The new law is not helping anyone go to the army. Spew!

The gov. spends enormous amounts of money on theaters etc. You have no musag. Notice the recent campaign Jerusalem ihr hasratim? Hashem Yishmore!
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 11:10:47 AM
Right, because there are no Chareidi murderers, rapists, sexual deviants, drug users, etc.  ::)

You're truly delusional.

Here come no true Scotsman. 

Negligible when compared to the secular. One jail would suffice.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 11:31:39 AM
I get 340 shekel Kollel stipend, we pay bituach leumi double and we get 840 shekel children's allowance, which is in lieu of dependant deductible on income tax,

You get school for your kids and healthcare for your family, which depending on how many kids you have probably cost the government more than the $9000 annual taxes you're paying (45000 minus 1180/mo)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 11:33:04 AM
The gov. spends enormous amounts of money on theaters etc. You have no musag. Notice the recent campaign Jerusalem ihr hasratim? Hashem Yishmore!
Every city does that and they make up for it in tax revenues
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: ariIs on March 10, 2014, 11:48:00 AM
Negligible when compared to the secular. One jail would suffice.

(http://cutestuff.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/o-rly__ruserious.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 12:00:05 PM
(http://cutestuff.co/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/o-rly__ruserious.jpg)

Yes
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: damaxer91 on March 10, 2014, 12:09:33 PM
Negligible when compared to the secular. One jail would suffice.

Haha, you are very naive
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 10, 2014, 12:11:48 PM
Haha, you are very naive
Are you trying to say that the crime rate in Israel in the Frum community is just as high as in the non-Frum one?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 12:19:04 PM
Are you trying to say that the crime rate in Israel in the Frum community is just as high as in the non-Frum one?
Financial crime definitely.

Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 10, 2014, 12:20:10 PM
Financial crime definitely.


He was talking specifically about violent crimes...
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 10, 2014, 12:20:58 PM
He was talking specifically about violent crimes...
Nope, it takes much more resources to fight financial crimes, and similar punishments
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 10, 2014, 12:25:46 PM
Right, because there are no Chareidi murderers, rapists, sexual deviants, drug users, etc.  ::)

You're truly delusional.

Here come no true Scotsman. 
Negligible when compared to the secular. One jail would suffice.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Menachem613 on March 10, 2014, 01:08:41 PM
I'm not sure if this pic of the Atzeres was posted yet.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/yjy4a7ad.jpg)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: elikay on March 10, 2014, 01:17:17 PM
I'm not sure if this pic of the Atzeres was posted yet.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/03/11/yjy4a7ad.jpg)
I'm having trouble getting it to open. But why do i have a feeling that you are trying to bash frum yidden again?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Menachem613 on March 10, 2014, 01:22:27 PM

I'm having trouble getting it to open. But why do i have a feeling that you are trying to bash frum yidden again?

Only your therapist can answer that.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 03:35:49 PM
The Jewish Press is at it.
Thankfully, someone there realized and removed it.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/editorial/219028/op-ed-the-shocking-headline-published-by-the-jewish-press-about-the-manhattan-atzeres-tefillah.html
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Menachem613 on March 10, 2014, 05:37:31 PM

The Jewish Press is at it.
Thankfully, someone there realized and removed it.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/editorial/219028/op-ed-the-shocking-headline-published-by-the-jewish-press-about-the-manhattan-atzeres-tefillah.html

That's Loshon Harah. Please delete.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 10, 2014, 05:58:17 PM
That's Loshon Harah. Please delete.
::)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 06:27:18 PM
Apparently, the author of the article was fired.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 06:29:18 PM
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/apology-for-mondays-op-ed/2014/03/11/
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 10, 2014, 06:32:07 PM
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/apology-for-mondays-op-ed/2014/03/11/

It's all black, is there any content?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Something Fishy on March 10, 2014, 06:37:12 PM
It's all black, is there any content?


Quote
The Jewish Press apologizes to its readers for the unfortunate op-ed article, along with its incendiary and insulting headline, regarding the Atzeres Tefilla in New York on Sunday against the drafting of yeshiva students in Israel that appeared on the Jewish Press website early Monday. The Jewish Press website is based in Israel in order to cover breaking news from the Middle East on a 24/6 basis. The article in question was posted without authorization and approval of The Jewish Press newspaper, and the individual who wrote and posted the article on the website has been fired. Needless to say, the sentiments expressed in the article and headline do not represent those of The Jewish Press, its officers, editors, and staff. The article was deleted from the website as soon as it was brought to the attention of the publishers and editors of the newspaper. Jerry Greenwald, Naomi Mauer

Read more at: http://www.jewishpress.com/news/apology-for-mondays-op-ed/2014/03/11/
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 10, 2014, 06:37:32 PM
Looks like it was removed... lol
But I read it.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Ergel on March 10, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
Looks like it was removed... lol
But I read it.
Just scroll down
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 10, 2014, 06:41:56 PM
The Jewish Press is at it.
Thankfully, someone there realized and removed it.
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/editorial/219028/op-ed-the-shocking-headline-published-by-the-jewish-press-about-the-manhattan-atzeres-tefillah.html

He used to work for Ba'Machane
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 10, 2014, 06:44:48 PM
Just scroll down

Thanks,

Why did they make the whole top and front page blurb black, forcing you to search for any content?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Ergel on March 10, 2014, 06:51:54 PM
Thanks,

Why did they make the whole top and front page blurb black, forcing you to search for any content?
A sign of solidarity with those dressed in black?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 12, 2014, 12:42:52 AM
http://vimeo.com/88706820 (http://goo.gl/0LFFdp)

Professional video of Asifa (3 minutes)
Nicely done
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: how on March 12, 2014, 02:10:08 PM
So the gov passed the law today

in "unrelated" news over 55 rockets were fired towards Israel this afternoon in the biggest surge since the war
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 12, 2014, 02:10:46 PM
"unrelated"
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 12, 2014, 02:27:04 PM

ויהי בימי נתניהו הוא בנימין המולך ממטולה ועד אילת 120 חברי כנסת,
בימים ההם כשבת ביבי על כסא ממשלתו אשר בירושלים הבירה,
 גידל ראש ממשלת ישראל את יאיר בן טומי האגגי צורר החרדים
ויזרח אורו של לפיד וישתחוו לו כל טפשי הארץ,
והחרדים לא כרעו ולא השתחוו,
וימלא יאיר חימה,
 ויאמר למלך הנה הפרזיטים פורקים עול מסרבים לשאת בנטל, ואם על ביבי טוב יכתב לגייסם, ואנו נמצא חן וחסד בעיני טפשי ארץ,
וחרדי ד' ידעו את כל אשר עשה לפיד,
ויילבשו מדי הישיבות ויצאו בתוך העיר ויזעקו זעקה גדולה ומרה .......
 
 ולחרדים יהיה אורה ושמחה וששון ויקר
 
 
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Dr Moose on March 19, 2014, 10:39:31 AM
are they making another one today?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 19, 2014, 10:40:58 AM
are they making another one today?

??
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: yitzf on March 19, 2014, 10:49:14 AM
??
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/220660/chareidim-to-protest-arrest-of-grodna-yeshiva-bochur.html (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/220660/chareidim-to-protest-arrest-of-grodna-yeshiva-bochur.html)
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 19, 2014, 11:07:53 AM
Small protests.
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 19, 2014, 11:13:27 AM
I dont understand, why was only one bocher arrested?
Title: Re: million man atzeres
Post by: Moshe123 on March 19, 2014, 11:33:56 AM
Because he was drunk on Purim in a manner that the police checked him in.
Once you get checked in, they check your record and he didn't report to Tzav 1.