Post by: HSS on November 10, 2010, 11:22:18 PM
I am surprised that there isn't already a topic on this forum about this, but it my opinion there shouldnt be a home in this country Jewish or otherwise that should have unfiltered internet in their house. The accessibility of pornography and all other forms of trash that represent the lowest forms of human society is only a mouse click away and nobody should have to face such a test.
Below I will include list of the internet filters that I am familiar with: (if possible I can try to keep this list up-to-date if others add comments for ones that I missed)
1. K9WebProtection - www.k9webprotection.com - Best FREE internet filter that I know of which is very customizable and easy to install, and pretty hard to bypass.
2. OpenDNS - www.opendns.com - Another FREE filter that works based on DNS filtering, however this filter is extremely easy to bypass, it is basically just doing the reverse of the installation. In my opinion it is great as a second layer of protection but should not be relied upon as a first line of defense.
3. Covenant Eyes - www.covenanteyes.com - A very popular internet monitoring tool which can either include just accountability reports which basically send a summary of all questionable websites visited to a third party but doesnt actually block anything, or also can provide actual website filtering as well. There is a charge for this service however it varies because many places have "group" discounts with Covenant Eyes and therefor you can get a better annual rate. (As a side note I had Covenant Eyes on my computer and it wreaked havoc, because it is often incompatible with many other programs. It is possible that they have gotten better since I last tried it, but the program is designed to act like any other form of malware which embeds itself in the system to make sure it is difficult to bypass, but that could cause other unwanted issues.)
4. Netnanny - www.netnanny.com -My personal favorite internet filter which provides a ton of customizable features, my favorite of which being that you can have different account logins within the same computer so that each one can have its own customized internet filtering settings. Also Netnanny allows remote access so that if you install it on your computer and a friend has the password, and a site that is OK gets blocked for some reason, you can send a request to them to unblock it and they can do that remotely. Netnanny also gives the ability to send emails whenever an attempt to go to a blocked site is made, to prevent someone from constantly "trying to test the limits" to find something that is not blocked. Netnanny does charge a $39.99 per year for one computer license or $59.98 for 3 computers, which in my opinion is a VERY reasonable price to pay to protect yourself and your family from the dangers of the internet (This is the filter that I personally use on my computer)
I am sure that there are many other very good filters out there, but these are the ones that I have firsthand knowledge of, please feel free to post comments below and I can try to update this list.
Feel free to post your thoughts!
Post by: HSS on November 10, 2010, 11:34:45 PM
It happens to be a very old thread and possibly it is worthwhile to start a new one. If moderators feel like they would rather consolidate the 2 then I guess I can't argue.
Post by: Chaikel on November 11, 2010, 02:10:03 AM
Post by: SuperFlyer on November 11, 2010, 04:48:58 AM
Post by: SuperFlyer on November 11, 2010, 04:51:28 AM
Stuff is filtered by them, and even google just omits the the results that aren't appropriate.
Also they will restructure a webpage to look normal, if they have to remove part of it.
It works for all languages, unlike k9 which is only for english.
Post by: Eli on November 11, 2010, 01:50:13 PM
So I sat down for about an hour and created a program which breaks K9 and all you need to do is reboot after you run it.
No little kids, I will not post the program here for you to get out of your Yeshiva/Parents internet block.
I personally have a combination of K9 and OpenDNS. I find that sometimes OpenDNS doesn't always work properly, and if you need to get to a legitimate site it's a big pain. Versus K9 where you type in the password and can unblock that site for a few minutes. Then again, some people may not trust themselves with the password.
Bottom line is that nothing is perfect. Even the web chaver has issues and I know they are trying to fix/change them but still.
There is a Rosh Yeshiva in Israel who is working on a new type of internet filter that supposedly combines a lot of the old technology into a system that everyone (or almost everyone) will be happy with.
Post by: Chaikel on November 11, 2010, 02:05:18 PM
There is a Rosh Yeshiva in Israel who is working on a new type of internet filter that supposedly combines a lot of the old technology into a system that everyone (or almost everyone) will be happy with.Have you discussed anything with him? I was thinking of mentioning OpenDNS to him. BTW, DynDNS is supposedly much better, plus compatibility with almost every router.
Post by: elikay on November 11, 2010, 04:55:06 PM
Post by: ceejay on November 11, 2010, 10:32:11 PM
Have you discussed anything with him? I was thinking of mentioning OpenDNS to him. BTW, DynDNS is supposedly much better, plus compatibility with almost every router.
I dont see why OpenDNS wouldn't be compatible with every router. The problem is with DNS filtering is that you can easily change DNS settings on individual computer.
The problem with DynDNS is that you can not use the free version on a route whereas with OpenDNS you can.
Post by: Chaikel on November 12, 2010, 01:08:51 AM
I dont see why OpenDNS wouldn't be compatible with every router.You're right. What I should have said was that most routers are compatible with the Dynamic IP update for DynDNS, where OpenDNS usually requires DDWRT, or an app installed on a system, which can sort of make the whole reason of using DNS filtering pointless.
The problem is with DNS filtering is that you can easily change DNS settings on individual computer.Unless the IP structure has changed recently, when I tested it, the router's DNS overrode the system DNS
The problem with DynDNS is that you can not use the free version on a route whereas with OpenDNS you can.a route?
Post by: ceejay on November 12, 2010, 01:46:05 PM
Post by: Eli on November 13, 2010, 09:42:12 PM
Post by: Chaikel on November 14, 2010, 01:38:13 AM
Chaikel, lol...you don't need to "mention" openDNS to him. He has professionals who have been working on this for quite a while now. They are working on a system much more secure and complex (from what I understand) than opendns which is basic basic basic.I didn't mean OpenDNS per say, from what I hear his thing is client side, which only solves half a problem when netbooks can be had for not much more than $100. Not to mention reformatting.
Post by: HSS on November 14, 2010, 03:16:56 AM
There is a Rosh Yeshiva in Israel who is working on a new type of internet filter that supposedly combines a lot of the old technology into a system that everyone (or almost everyone) will be happy with.
Who is this Rosh Yeshiva that you are speaking of? If you dont want to post it on the forum, can you send me a pm, I'd be very interested to find out who it was and possibly discuss some of my opinions on the matter, I have done a considerable amount of testing and research on the subject.
HSS
Post by: ceejay on November 14, 2010, 10:35:53 AM
I didn't mean OpenDNS per say, from what I hear his thing is client side, which only solves half a problem when netbooks can be had for not much more than $100. Not to mention reformatting.
Well then youll always have an issue because someone can purchase a Mifi and have their own unfiltered internet connection. The best solution IMO is client side software like Covenant Eyes. Very hard to remove. If removed and/or reinstalled theres an alert. And if theres no activity (i.e. some one reformatted computer, purchased a new one) then you will know theres a problem.
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 05:24:52 AM
I would like to open a thread on suggestions for best practices for two issues:
1) PC - Internet Filters (PC-IF)
2) Smart phone - Internet Filters (SP-IF)
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 05:36:12 AM
My experiences:
PC-IF:
*K9 - Fast and pretty strong - problem is that without a reporting feature I don't think it has full effect. There is a real need for having a sense of "Ayin Roeh" - not just for the really bad stuff but also for just keeping you from spending 15 hours a week on youtube.
*SafeEyes - Really robust, many choices including categories, time restrictions (both amount of hours and times of the day), report to a friend, add sites, remove sites, etc.
The problems:
1) Seems to slow down browsing (dealable IMO - an extra second per page load is a level of mesiras nefesh I can handle)
2) Bug 1 - getting online - I have had times when logging in in Libraries/Internet cafes caused me issues - they have a feature to deal with it but IME it doesn't work well
3) Bug 2 - adding sites doesn't work well - adding a site to the list of acceptable sites (ie. overriding a category (example adding macys.com b/c it got banned for lingerie/swimsuits)) doesn't always work - not sure issue (may have to do with multiple domain names (like www2.macys.com) but I don't think so)
... bottom line - it has pretty much everything it needs except it doesn't work as advertised. They may have fixed some of the issues and I imagine many people consider it good but I travel a lot and use the internet heavily. I need a flawless filter.
Therefore I am looking for a new filter. If someone could recommend one I would appreciate it.
Post by: Chaikel on December 12, 2011, 06:00:02 AM
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 06:01:50 AM
I use openDNS's filter. No lag (faster according to many). If set up at the router level (what I have) applies to all devices connected to the router.
How tech savvy must one be to install such a filter?
Post by: Chaikel on December 12, 2011, 06:02:19 AM
How tech savvy must one be to install such a filter?Moderate to very
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 06:05:36 AM
p.s. I ask because there are two reasons why I made this thread. One, because I need a new filter. Two, because I am constantly asked for advice in this area and I embarrassingly don't know much about the subject. - - - I hope to learn-up and help my friends/neighbors with this most important issue.
Post by: Jkhein on December 12, 2011, 06:07:50 AM
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 06:11:37 AM
p.s. Although, most viruses come from "not-kosher" websites ;)
Post by: Chaikel on December 12, 2011, 06:16:52 AM
What are these filters for? Viruses etc or kosher?openDNS is set up for both. Haven't had an issue with any of the computer I manage since I put the filter on their line
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 06:19:29 AM
http://www.puresight.com/
Will report back.
Post by: Netster on December 12, 2011, 06:45:10 AM
I use openDNS's filter. No lag (faster according to many). If set up at the router level (what I have) applies to all devices connected to the router.Easy to get around!
Post by: doublejay on December 12, 2011, 06:46:54 AM
Easy to get around!
More info please.
Post by: Netster on December 12, 2011, 02:59:56 PM
Post by: AJK on December 12, 2011, 03:03:16 PM
Any kid can easily get around it
Pretty sure he was looking for an explanation not a reiteration.
Post by: BAHayman on December 12, 2011, 03:19:08 PM
Easy to get around!+1. I haven't looked into how the OpenDNS filter works but I am assuming that one could just configure the computer to use different DNS resolvers (http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html#setup)?
Post by: shmuelb on December 12, 2011, 03:46:19 PM
K9 also has a time restriction feature, it is great, cuts me off at 12 every night. Just "IMO", block youtube whatever you do. SafeEyes is great but I had same issues. I have someone else administrating both filters so I can not change settings. In K9, I set the email address up as my friend's so I can not do "forgot password..."
Go to guardyoureyes.com it is a great resources for all this..
Post by: AsherO on December 12, 2011, 03:50:20 PM
Tizku l'Mitzvos! :)
K9 also has a time restriction feature, it is great, cuts me off at 12 every night. Just "IMO", block youtube whatever you do. SafeEyes is great but I had same issues. I have someone else administrating both filters so I can not change settings. In K9, I set the email address up as my friend's so I can not do "forgot password..."
K9 has given me issues with Google/Gmail login/logout when blocking YouTube (it seems like Google is signing me in/out of YT when I log in/out of Google). It's intermittent and a few tries usually resolves it.
Anyone else experience this and/or have a suggested fix?
Post by: Saver2000 on December 12, 2011, 03:54:08 PM
Gonna try something called PureSight - It's an Israeli company - could be wrong but I seem to remember that Phil Rosenthal recommended it as an up and coming filter...
http://www.puresight.com/
Will report back.
. . Is that for pc-if or sp-if?
I'm looking for a filter for a sp - specifically the LG optimus. Please let me know if you come across anything during your research.
Thanx
Post by: shmuelb on December 12, 2011, 04:49:13 PM
K9 has given me issues with Google/Gmail login/logout when blocking YouTube (it seems like Google is signing me in/out of YT when I log in/out of Google). It's intermittent and a few tries usually resolves it.
Anyone else experience this and/or have a suggested fix?
I have youtube blocked on k9 and I see that google goes through them somehow, as you say, but never had a problem. I do not recall having any issues with k9.
I tried using Rimon (I'm in Israel) its an ISP with filtering, but had a problem with my DSL phone.
Post by: AsherO on December 12, 2011, 04:51:44 PM
I tried using Rimon (I'm in Israel) its an ISP with filtering, but had a problem with my DSL phone.
If it's an ISP, wouldn't they be the DSL provider as well? (I don't mean that it would be their line, in the US with DSL it's typically the LEC's DSL line and your DSL provider leases it from them and resells it to you)
Post by: elikay on December 12, 2011, 05:19:53 PM
Post by: Chaikel on December 12, 2011, 05:21:09 PM
+1. I haven't looked into how the OpenDNS filter works but I am assuming that one could just configure the computer to use different DNS resolvers (http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/docs/using.html#setup)?Didn't work when I tried it
Post by: Chaikel on December 12, 2011, 05:21:58 PM
If it's an ISP, wouldn't they be the DSL provider as well? (I don't mean that it would be their line, in the US with DSL it's typically the LEC's DSL line and your DSL provider leases it from them and resells it to you)He means VoIP line. Yeshivish ppl call it a DSL phone
Post by: Jkhein on December 12, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
Didn't work when I tried itGive it an hour with your child.
Post by: BAHayman on December 12, 2011, 05:32:07 PM
Didn't work when I tried itBut how does OpenDNS work? You set the DNS resolvers on your router? Then all that does is provide defaults to the clients. If the client overrides with its own resolver addresses then it wont ask OpenDNS to resolve the domain anymore... Can't see why it wouldn't get around it, but I will try it at home later.
Post by: Flying Fish on December 12, 2011, 11:36:29 PM
But how does OpenDNS work? You set the DNS resolvers on your router? Then all that does is provide defaults to the clients. If the client overrides with its own resolver addresses then it wont ask OpenDNS to resolve the domain anymore... Can't see why it wouldn't get around it, but I will try it at home later.Many advanced routers let you lock the DNS resolver.
Post by: BAHayman on December 12, 2011, 11:50:35 PM
Many advanced routers let you lock the DNS resolver.How would that work? Maybe I am just confused but how would the router be able to "lock" the DNS resolvers and not let the client resolve the domain on its own??
Post by: shmuelb on December 13, 2011, 02:59:21 AM
He means VoIP line. Yeshivish ppl call it a DSL phone
exactly! ;D the ISP filter was blocking it from connecting...
Post by: ceejay on December 13, 2011, 09:43:35 AM
Post by: Chaikel on December 13, 2011, 02:45:43 PM
Any DNS-based filtering is easily bypassed if you know the the website's IP address.I tried the IP and was blocked as well
Post by: BAHayman on December 13, 2011, 02:47:00 PM
I tried the IP and was blocked as wellVery odd... How do you setup the OpenDNS blocking?
Post by: Chaikel on December 13, 2011, 03:38:34 PM
Very odd... How do you setup the OpenDNS blocking?I'm pretty sure standard browsers lookup IPs as well. I did a standard router DNS setting.
Post by: BAHayman on December 13, 2011, 04:05:44 PM
I'm pretty sure standard browsers lookup IPs as well. I did a standard router DNS setting.Not sure what you mean by lookup an IP. What is it looking up?
Post by: ceejay on December 13, 2011, 04:13:23 PM
I'm pretty sure standard browsers lookup IPs as well. I did a standard router DNS setting.
Browser don't need to look up IPs because thats the servers address. It called OpenDNS (Domain Name System) for a reason. Domain names are tied to IP using DNS. Youtube might not work because Google uses round-robin DNS and they have redirects for content delivery.
Post by: juda on December 13, 2011, 06:44:50 PM
very setisfied
thefilternet.com
Post by: Goldmine on December 13, 2011, 10:29:33 PM
Post by: HSS on December 14, 2011, 09:32:32 PM
Post by: doublejay on December 15, 2011, 02:35:57 AM
see my thread here: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3985.msg43356#msg43356
Good list HSS.
Would you mind copying and pasting in a new post here with any updated comments?
Post by: doublejay on December 15, 2011, 02:44:23 AM
Good list HSS.
Would you mind copying and pasting in a new post here with any updated comments?
Okay. Dan just merged it. (Thanks Dan).
If you could just update it that would be great. At some point soon I would like to create a summary post of peoples experiences, reviews, ratings, etc. on each filter.
Post by: doublejay on December 15, 2011, 02:45:39 AM
Gonna try something called PureSight - It's an Israeli company - could be wrong but I seem to remember that Phil Rosenthal recommended it as an up and coming filter...
http://www.puresight.com/
Will report back.
Okay. Back with my report...
In a nutshell: FAIL!
Some nice features but I always get the feeling that foreign companies lose key things in translation.
Main gripe is that they don't tell you why a site is blocked (at least not on the webpage itself - there may be a log somewhere). How the heck am I supposed to tweak it if I don't know why you blocked the site?
Also seemed to be getting some false positives on harmless sites.
I imagine if they polished their product it would work well and I am sure it suits the purposes of some but my vote is nay!
p.s. I feel that on every blocked page there should be buttons that say: "login to allow this site" and "email request to administrator for this site" etc. - You gotta make it easy to adjust and work with ... people don't have patience for this nonsense. (at least I don't)
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 18, 2011, 02:12:09 AM
Rimon provider dependent) is wow!
Apparently, something called "chavrusa", not sure how spelled, is very good.
Post by: ceejay on December 18, 2011, 08:02:30 PM
K9 can be disabled easily by young children, and apparently only works well for english.
Rimon provider dependent) is wow!
Apparently, something called "chavrusa", not sure how spelled, is very good.
I think you're talking about ChaverWeb which is a rebranded version of Covenant Eyes. Its very hard to disable but as mentioned earlier in this thread, it embeds itself into the OS so it can cause problems with other programs trying to access the internet.
Post by: doublejay on December 19, 2011, 12:20:41 AM
K9 can be disabled easily by young children, and apparently only works well for english.I have not heard of K9 being easy to disable. Source?
Rimon provider dependent) is wow!?
Apparently, something called "chavrusa", not sure how spelled, is very good.WebChaver is reporting only IIRC. Good for the yetzer hara aspect not good for accidentally taking a wrong turn etc.
Post by: ceejay on December 19, 2011, 09:32:01 AM
WebChaver is reporting only IIRC. Good for the yetzer hara aspect not good for accidentally taking a wrong turn etc.
If somebody has admin access to PC it very easy to disable any filter/program (delete/disable service files.)
http://www.webchaver.org/filtering.php (http://www.webchaver.org/filtering.php)
Post by: SuperFlyer on December 19, 2011, 11:09:47 AM
I have not heard of K9 being easy to disable. Source??
my younger brother, mid teen.
Post by: doublejay on December 19, 2011, 03:07:00 PM
my younger brother, mid teen.Did he give details on his master plan? or was he being a big shot and making an unsubstantiated claim?
Now that you got me going I just tried one of the "easy ways" to disable k9 that I found on google. Uninstalled bckd.sys etc. rebooted supposed to work like "magic"... except it doesn't. I am pretty computer literate so if there is a relatively easy way to do it I can figure it out. Problem is that with K9 installed I can't fully research. Perhaps later I will use someone elses computer to look for instructions for the sake of understanding the topic better.... but then again I am not sure I want to know how....
Hmmm....
Let's go back to asking your kid brother to give a little more color to his statement.
Post by: doublejay on December 19, 2011, 03:17:49 PM
Would like to test this software. I watched their videos a while back and was really impressed. Will be reading more about their products but if we have anyone who can test that would be really appreciated.
I will pay for one month service for someone who will give a serious report.
Thanks.
http://www.x3watch.com/x3watchandroid.html
http://www.x3watch.com/x3watchiphone.html
p.s. I happen to be ashamed to have to turn to the church for help in inyanim of kedusha....but if they are indeed handling it best (*if*) then I imagine it is the ratzon Hashem - anyone disagree?
Post by: doublejay on December 19, 2011, 03:20:33 PM
http://www.guardyoureyes.org/
I actually am encouraged by this. They don't hack mostlymusic.com.
Know what I mean?
p.s. The video is amazing: R' Twerski's letter made me cry....
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2011, 04:24:36 PM
BTW: Our Yishmaelisha cousins have hacked the leading site on this topic.
http://www.guardyoureyes.org/
I actually am encouraged by this. They don't hack mostlymusic.com.
Know what I mean?
p.s. The video is amazing: R' Twerski's letter made me cry....
Unreal. How long have they been compromised?
Btw - which video are you talking about?
Post by: doublejay on December 19, 2011, 07:36:38 PM
Unreal. How long have they been compromised?
Btw - which video are you talking about?
Dunno how long. Randomly checked today - first tried a deep link and landed on some arabic site showing off that they hacked the site. Then I went to GYE homepage and they acknowledged hack and put up a temporary page. It had an embedded video for watching while they fixed issue.
This was it: http://api.dmcloud.net/player/embed/4ee88e9ff325e106fc0030a4/4eef1f6494a6f647380011ca?auth=1639685609-0-63kksjiy-7866f2a1252193c6997f6870999a37ea&force_asset_name=mp4_h264_aac
Post by: AJK on December 19, 2011, 08:45:38 PM
Post by: doublejay on December 20, 2011, 12:29:20 PM
In addition, safe-eyes-mobile is free in the itunes store until Jan 31 - anyone wanna try that one?
http://itunes.apple.com/app/safe-eyes-mobile/id298505665?mt=8
Please report back with your thoughts.
Post by: BAHayman on December 23, 2011, 09:18:47 AM
Post by: Chaikel on December 24, 2011, 11:21:57 AM
Post by: sawlw on December 24, 2011, 04:37:19 PM
So an update on OpenDNS: I set my routers DNS addresses to OpenDNS preconfigured for family filter. Tried accessing a blocked domain, got a blocked page. Pinged a blocked domain, got the IP of the OpenDNS blocked page instead. Used the actual IP of the blocked domain, that worked and I got access to the site. Changed the DNS addresses of the wireless card on my laptop from dynamic to static and used Google's DNS (http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/) addresses (8.8.8.8, 8.8.4.4), that also worked and now I was able to access blocked sites by domain name.Just wondering, How many kids can pull that off?
Post by: Chaikel on December 24, 2011, 06:57:28 PM
Just wondering, How many kids can pull that off?90%
I use it in an office setting where a- no one would be able to figure that out and b- no one is trying to get around it. It's more for phishing and viruses, than kashrus
Post by: Bh101 on December 24, 2011, 08:00:36 PM
Just wondering, How many kids can pull that off?i run the computer in a yeshiva and use openDns.....trust me, kids have no problem getting around these things.......there is a solution to the internet filter but this is not it
Post by: doublejay on December 24, 2011, 11:25:40 PM
i run the computer in a yeshiva and use openDns.....trust me, kids have no problem getting around these things.......there is a solution to the internet filter but this is not it
A) How do they get around it?
B) What are the solutions you suggest?
Post by: AsherO on December 24, 2011, 11:29:09 PM
A) How do they get around it?
They just switch the DNS on the client.
Post by: elikay on December 25, 2011, 12:09:05 AM
Post by: AsherO on December 25, 2011, 12:18:31 AM
or directly enter the ip
That's what I mean. Putting a different IP address for the DNS server(s) in the client's network settings.
Post by: elikay on December 25, 2011, 12:21:58 AM
Post by: elikay on December 25, 2011, 12:22:15 AM
Post by: AsherO on December 25, 2011, 12:31:26 AM
which is easier
Really? You'd have to know the IP addresses for all the blocked sites you want to visit.
Post by: Flying Fish on December 25, 2011, 10:41:45 PM
They just switch the DNS on the client.As mentioned above, a full-featured router can be set to only allow the DNS server you choose . Another option is setting up a Windows account without administrator priveleges, which will not allow users to change the DNS settings.
Post by: BAHayman on December 25, 2011, 10:43:19 PM
As mentioned above, a full-featured router can be set to only allow the DNS server you choose . Another option is setting up a Windows account without administrator priveleges, which will not allow users to change the DNS settings.Which router supports this??? I mean I can understand it being a wanted feature but I cannot understand how it would work...
edit: nvmd I take that back, after some google'ing, there apparently is a way to kinda accomplish it.
Post by: BAHayman on December 27, 2011, 03:24:29 PM
link pls?It wasn't a specific guide or anything so I don't have a link. But basically what you would do is set a rule on the router that denies all outgoing traffic on port 53. Then add another rule that allows outbound traffic on port 53 but only when the destination is the OpenDNS address.
That still wouldn't stop one from using a DNS server with an alternate port or proxying the DNS query through an SSH tunnel or whatever, but it would definitely add a level of complexity with trying to get around the OpenDNS server.
Post by: BrooklynCPA on December 29, 2011, 03:06:08 PM
Post by: farmerjoe on December 29, 2011, 03:20:37 PM
I have recently installed Net Nanny and for the most part I find it to be pretty good. Only problem is that there are many kosher sites that are blocked too. I am sure most filters have the same problem. Is there a way to set it so that it doesn't happen?not sure the answer to your question, however i can tell you i got around netnany!
Post by: elikay on December 29, 2011, 03:33:58 PM
not sure the answer to your question, however i can tell you i got around netnany!No filter is foolproof I use K9 and am fully aware that it can be gotten around, if you are trying to get around a filter you will always be able to.
Post by: farmerjoe on December 29, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
No filter is foolproof I use K9 and am fully aware that it can be gotten around, if you are trying to get around a filter you will always be able to.i must admit it wasn't easy!
Post by: elikay on December 29, 2011, 03:49:57 PM
Post by: Chaikel on December 29, 2011, 04:50:53 PM
I know a guy that can break through most filters in about 10 minutes, but he is a computer whiz.It's called reformating and you don't have to be a whiz
Post by: BrooklynCPA on December 29, 2011, 04:56:38 PM
Post by: ceejay on December 29, 2011, 05:15:32 PM
Post by: Chaikel on December 29, 2011, 05:27:05 PM
lock down the bios with a password.Any 12 year old can get around that
Post by: elikay on December 29, 2011, 10:21:52 PM
It's called reformating and you don't have to be a whizduh
Post by: BAHayman on December 29, 2011, 10:53:59 PM
There are many ways to bypass it completely as pointed out above (live cd, formatting, sometimes even safe mode, etc)
Post by: YudiG on February 18, 2012, 01:39:15 PM
Post by: Cheap dude on February 18, 2012, 11:07:19 PM
Any 12 year old can get around that
I'm not 12 but would love to know how. ( I am in the it field ).
Post by: ceejay on February 20, 2012, 10:41:48 AM
I'm not 12 but would love to know how. ( I am in the it field ).
It depends on the BIOS but many have a secondary password. and heres http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd (http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/CmosPwd)
Post by: SuperFlyer on February 20, 2012, 01:43:57 PM
I'm not 12 but would love to know how. ( I am in the it field ).
Remove the internal battery, move the jumper next to it from position, turn on pc.
switch off, put the jumper and battery back on its place, and switch on.
Post by: DrDanny on February 23, 2012, 01:12:57 AM
Post by: doublejay on March 25, 2012, 03:40:22 PM
i would rather use yishomoreini (which is better and free - i think sponsored) but apparently you need to be part of a community that already offers it.
any recommendations?
Post by: jack12 on March 26, 2012, 07:43:59 PM
about to buy webchaver for computer at office. anyone know of a deal?
i would rather use yishomoreini (which is better and free - i think sponsored) but apparently you need to be part of a community that already offers it.
any recommendations?
try using code: Chaver2012 for 25% off
Post by: doublejay on March 27, 2012, 11:30:36 AM
try using code: Chaver2012 for 25% off
Thanks but too late. Ordered it.
I suppose since it's monthly I could cancel and redo next month.
Post by: doublejay on March 27, 2012, 11:34:09 AM
I combined it with K9 which I have the password for. Normally as a filter alone solution this would obviously be pointless but since I have the reporting all I need is help for accidental exposure. The great thing is that I can override the occasional annoying over filtering by K9 (such as some shopping sites)
Post by: SamDaMan on May 10, 2012, 08:48:48 PM
i apreciate the help
Post by: Side incomer on May 10, 2012, 09:05:42 PM
so maskana! what is the best filter for lg optimus??? or any sp-if? free is a big factor too!Can't find a shorter User name?
i apreciate the help
Post by: smart brit on May 10, 2012, 09:40:41 PM
I'm waiting for the k9 android filter but until then/
Post by: DrDanny on May 10, 2012, 10:22:56 PM
Post by: Tzfas on May 10, 2012, 11:23:49 PM
I haven't seen anything even paid that really works for androidK9 just released on 5/9/2012 the free app for android.
And if you have an iPhone you can have a k9 web browser go through them, and just disable safari and your all set.
Post by: elikay on May 10, 2012, 11:31:21 PM
Post by: BrooklynCPA on May 11, 2012, 02:32:41 PM
I have net nanny on my other computers but it is not available for the Ipad yet?
Post by: elikay on May 13, 2012, 01:57:24 AM
Post by: SamDaMan on May 14, 2012, 02:57:02 AM
Can't find a shorter User name?hey face the facts! 1. cleveland is the place to be! 2. i could find a shorter one 3. my user name is 'only' one word while urs is 2!!! and 4. since i am getting waaaaayyy too many complaints i think i will change my name but itll take some time till i get around to it. Till then please just be nice to me!
Post by: shmuelb on May 14, 2012, 03:04:28 AM
hey face the facts! 1. cleveland is the place to be! 2. i could find a shorter one 3. my user name is 'only' one word while urs is 2!!! and 4. since i am getting waaaaayyy too many complaints i think i will change my name but itll take some time till i get around to it. Till then please just be nice to me!
What does BOB stand for? Do you mean you couldn't find a shorter one?
Post by: miamiles on May 14, 2012, 10:24:20 PM
Post by: jack12 on May 14, 2012, 10:46:11 PM
do the people involved with the citi asifa have recommendations?
it said in the asifa ads that they will be printing a 100 page magazine for the asifa which will have 20 pages dedicated to the different filter options
Post by: elikay on May 15, 2012, 12:04:49 AM
it said in the asifa ads that they will be printing a 100 page magazine for the asifa which will have 20 pages dedicated to the different filter options
www.guardyoureyes.com is an excellent site where you can see the various options available
Post by: Mikeoracle on May 21, 2012, 11:17:47 AM
It seems K9 still has some bugs to work out.
Post by: elikay on May 21, 2012, 12:13:07 PM
Post by: Mikeoracle on May 21, 2012, 01:38:23 PM
On what phone are you using it?
Post by: exfallsburg on May 22, 2012, 04:34:06 AM
But then again, what is?
Post by: DrDanny on May 22, 2012, 10:22:13 AM
K9's android browser is a disaster.... Check out Cloudacl's filter, it's not bad, just not foolproof.are you sure the problem is not your phone it needs a pretty high end (good processor and1Gig ram) phone to work well
But then again, what is?
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 07:38:34 PM
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 07:41:32 PM
I'm running kaspersky for my anti virus and I seem to be having trouble running K9 together with that. Any solutions?
Googling tells me it's a known conflict (and I seem to remember something like that happening to me too), time to ditch Kaspersky? :P
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 07:42:25 PM
Googling tells me it's a known conflict (and I seem to remember something like that happening to me too), time to ditch Kaspersky? :P
I have a bunch of trend micro titanium anti virus and have no problems switching if that will work better. Anyone running K9 with trend?
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 07:56:28 PM
I have a bunch of trend micro titanium anti virus and have no problems switching if that will work better. Anyone running K9 with trend?
Trend Micro isn't a good idea (http://www1.k9webprotection.com/support/kb/K9175.html) either. Go with AVG, Avast, Avira, or MSE (I recommend the latter).
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 07:57:12 PM
Trend Micro isn't a good idea (http://www1.k9webprotection.com/support/kb/K9175.html) either. Go with AVG, Avast, Avira, or MSE (I recommend the latter).
alrighty then. thanks
ETA: hmmm my local computer expert apparently isn't too keen on MSE
You don't like MSE?Its decent... But I deff wouldn't put it as being a secure protection
I like Norton a lot
Micro Trend is also good
Mcaffee and AVG are a total waste
(I have spent way to much time removing viruses from computers that had Mcaffe or AVG)
Post by: elikay on May 22, 2012, 08:54:36 PM
Googling tells me it's a known conflict (and I seem to remember something like that happening to me too), time to ditch Kaspersky? :P+1 known conflict
Post by: Yitz on May 22, 2012, 10:23:54 PM
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 10:51:32 PM
I was told to use iBoss
By who?
Why is it better than K9 (which is free)?
Post by: Name Changed on May 22, 2012, 10:56:19 PM
I'm running kaspersky for my anti virus and I seem to be having trouble running K9 together with that. Any solutions?I installed K9 on a computer that had Mcaffee ... Also had an issue. My problem was that I wasnt able to access any webpage.
The reason was is that Mcaffee takes over windows firewall, and K9 wasnt on the list of application to go thru the firewall.
I assume that Kaspersky does the same. You have to go into Kaspersky and in the firewall option allow K9. (browse for the application, it should be in the folder - C:\Program Files\Blue Coat K9 Web Protection)
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 10:58:33 PM
I installed K9 on a computer that had Mcaffee ... Also had an issue. My problem was that I wasnt able to access any webpage.
The reason was is that Mcaffee takes over windows firewall, and K9 wasnt on the list of application to go thru the firewall.
I assume that Kaspersky does the same. You have to go into Kaspersky and in the firewall option allow K9. (browse for the application, it should be in the folder - C:\Program Files\Blue Coat K9 Web Protection)
I'm not sure if that's it. Kaspersky detects it as a Trojan. I'll try later though
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 10:59:17 PM
I installed K9 on a computer that had Mcaffee ... Also had an issue. My problem was that I wasnt able to access any webpage.
The reason was is that Mcaffee takes over windows firewall, and K9 wasnt on the list of application to go thru the firewall.
I assume that Kaspersky does the same. You have to go into Kaspersky and in the firewall option allow K9. (browse for the application, it should be in the folder - C:\Program Files\Blue Coat K9 Web Protection)
It's more complicated than that. Kaspersky + K9 (could) = slow internet connection.
Post by: Name Changed on May 22, 2012, 11:00:51 PM
I'm not sure if that's it. Kaspersky detects it as a Trojan. I'll try later thoughI just read online that this is an issue. You will need to use a different AV
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 11:03:17 PM
I just read online that this is an issue. You will need to use a different AV
It seems the other one I have (trend) is also an issue. Any recommendations? Other than what ashero listed above
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 11:13:43 PM
It seems the other one I have (trend) is also an issue. Any recommendations? Other than what ashero listed above
My list wasn't long enough?
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 11:18:39 PM
My list wasn't long enough?
haven't heard great things about AVG and MSE on this site. Was under the impression that avast cost but just checked and saw there is a free version too.
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 11:24:33 PM
haven't heard great things about AVG and MSE on this site. Was under the impression that avast cost but just checked and saw there is a free version too.
Nothing negative (AFAIK), and a few positive reviews/recommendations for MSE on DDF. Perhaps it's not as good as a paid solution, but if you're looking for a free one, MSE is the way to go.
Post by: bubbles on May 22, 2012, 11:25:39 PM
Nothing negative (AFAIK), and a few positive reviews/recommendations for MSE on DDF. Perhaps it's not as good as a paid solution, but if you're looking for a free one, MSE is the way to go.I linked above that name changed isn't into it but haven't seen much other than that
know anything about Webroot SecureAnywhere Essentials (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832296061)? Its FAR now on newegg
Post by: AsherO on May 22, 2012, 11:27:39 PM
I linked above that name changed isn't into it but haven't seen much other than that
know anything about Webroot SecureAnywhere Essentials (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832296061)? Its FAR now on newegg
Don't know about it.
Post by: Yitz on May 23, 2012, 08:03:04 AM
By who?The company that I work for has a Dept that watches what everyone looks at, this was his recommendation as it tracks it at the modem
Why is it better than K9 (which is free)?
Post by: Name Changed on May 23, 2012, 02:13:41 PM
I linked above that name changed isn't into it but haven't seen much other than that
I have MSE installed on my laptop and its working fine.
Its deff not the best, but its doing the job
Post by: AsherO on May 23, 2012, 03:08:30 PM
The company that I work for has a Dept that watches what everyone looks at, this was his recommendation as it tracks it at the modem
I don't know what that translates to in technical terms, so I can't say how that differs (or doesn't) from K9.
Post by: bubbles on May 23, 2012, 09:54:37 PM
Nothing negative (AFAIK), and a few positive reviews/recommendations for MSE on DDF. Perhaps it's not as good as a paid solution, but if you're looking for a free one, MSE is the way to go.
alright I switched over to MSE and have k9 running. Haven't noticed a lag, if anything it's prob running quicker than with kaspersky :)
Post by: Name Changed on May 23, 2012, 10:07:56 PM
alright I switched over to MSE and have k9 running. Haven't noticed a lag, if anything it's prob running quicker than with kaspersky :)It probably is ... and thats why it wont be as good as a AV protection
Post by: jack12 on May 23, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Post by: Name Changed on May 23, 2012, 10:28:27 PM
I have MSE and k9 and haven't had any problemsWe'll I have the same on one of my computers and so far am good :)
BTW having K9 alone should protect you from a lot of potential viruses, as pop up and "these" type of sites often have viruses
Post by: AsherO on May 23, 2012, 10:29:03 PM
and thats why it wont be as good as a AV protection
I hope you're being sarcastic.
BTW having K9 alone should protect you from a lot of potential viruses, as pop up and "these" type of sites often have viruses
I don't know what you mean by "those", but I'm convinced there are viruses embedded in some flash sites.
Post by: Name Changed on May 23, 2012, 10:51:52 PM
I hope you're being sarcastic.True
I don't know what you mean by "those", but I'm convinced there are viruses embedded in some flash sites.
I'm not saying it'll be equivalent to an AV (I think on their site they say it a lil like a way to protect your computer from virues...)
Regard an AV slowing down computers... I don't find MSE to be very thorough, it doesnt remove evey crack on a flash drive I would plug in like Norton or Mcaffee would. I actually perfer it like that...
MSE is deff designed in a way to intergrate with windows and hence will run more efficient, but it prob is running less processes than a solid AV...
Post by: AJK on May 24, 2012, 12:11:59 AM
Look, no AV software will be perfect, but MSE + common sense should be enough to ward off 99% of all threats. (A lil "computer savvy" can raise to right near 100%.)
Post by: hocker on October 14, 2012, 06:53:10 PM
Post by: SamDaMan on November 19, 2012, 02:02:04 AM
Post by: LeeW on November 19, 2012, 11:49:21 AM
By who?
Why is it better than K9 (which is free)?
Whoa. iBoss is heads and shoulders better than k9. They are not even in the same league of filters. k9 is a simple software filter which has to be installed on every computer (and tablet) attached to the web, and with enough dedication can probably be worked around. iBoss is a separate hardware filter installed on your network where you can only access your net connection through the filter. It is the single most effective filter available today.
Post by: Name Changed on November 19, 2012, 12:16:20 PM
I actually an a fan of K9
But in truth the best filtering is by having 2 filters, a actual filter installed on the device (e.g. K9) and a filter on the network (e.g. iBoss, OpenDNS)
Post by: LeeW on November 19, 2012, 12:40:29 PM
Any filter has a work around.
I actually an a fan of K9
But in truth the best filtering is by having 2 filters, a actual filter installed on the device (e.g. K9) and a filter on the network (e.g. iBoss, OpenDNS)
There is virtually no work around that I can see in iBoss. Unless you can have physical access to the device and somehow can get into its ssystem and override.
2- Whydoyou need k9 if you have a filter on the network?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on November 19, 2012, 01:01:18 PM
Post by: LeeW on November 19, 2012, 01:11:32 PM
iboss wont protect you if you use a wifi from a dif network
Good point. i was thinking more about home computers for a minute.
Post by: Name Changed on November 19, 2012, 02:07:06 PM
There is virtually no work around that I can see in iBoss. Unless you can have physical access to the device and somehow can get into its ssystem and override.1- As you said there is a way around it. Also depends for who we are trying to use the filter for.
2- Whydoyou need k9 if you have a filter on the network?
2- no filter is foolproof, and there could be sites that one filter wont pick up but a second would. I see that all the time by using 2 filers...
Besides what someone pointed out - that most wifi enabled devices could easily connect to a different unfiltered network.
Post by: LeeW on November 19, 2012, 02:26:47 PM
1- As you said there is a way around it. Also depends for who we are trying to use the filter for.
I think we can assume it to be above most people's head to reprogram an entire system. Just an assumption tho, but it's way easier to find a hole in software filter.
Post by: Name Changed on November 19, 2012, 02:30:26 PM
I think we can assume it to be above most people's head to reprogram an entire system. Just an assumption tho, but it's way easier to find a hole in software filter.Wont argue on that fact, just as the point of filters is to protect us, and not every filter is foolproof, there are stuff that get buy them.
iBoss is an option for a working environment, for a home I think you need more.
Post by: SamDaMan on November 19, 2012, 09:24:06 PM
looking for a while for a filter for my Optimus s (not just for stock browser but whole fone) any one have any idea what the best one is now?bump... bounce, jump, don't stay on the ground....
Post by: doublejay on November 20, 2012, 12:24:50 AM
seems intriguing to me....
http://www.spectorsoft.com/
Post by: ari2955 on January 13, 2013, 06:02:56 PM
Post by: Netster on January 29, 2013, 05:47:33 PM
anyone try any spectorsoft /eblaster solutions?
seems intriguing to me....
http://www.spectorsoft.com/
Spectorsoft. Not bad!
Post by: dirah on January 29, 2013, 06:45:35 PM
Spectorsoft. Not bad!I tried eBlaster, a week after install computer started experiencing constant 2-5 second freezes, problem disappeared with uninstall, I tried to sort it out with their reps who gave me different builds to install, but same thing kept happening, so I just pulled out and asked for a refund, which they gave even though it was past the 30 day cancel period.
Post by: dans fan on April 04, 2013, 01:19:16 PM
I tried eBlaster, a week after install computer started experiencing constant 2-5 second freezes, problem disappeared with uninstall, I tried to sort it out with their reps who gave me different builds to install, but same thing kept happening, so I just pulled out and asked for a refund, which they gave even though it was past the 30 day cancel period.does anyone know which anti virus is compatible with k9. (sorry if it was dicussed)
Post by: Name Changed on April 04, 2013, 01:28:23 PM
does anyone know which anti virus is compatible with k9. (sorry if it was dicussed)Use MSE, no issues.
Post by: DanH on April 04, 2013, 02:11:05 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on April 04, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
Post by: Twin on April 30, 2013, 07:51:40 AM
TIA
Post by: chaimmayer on April 30, 2013, 08:16:35 AM
I find it strange being that the filter is on the router.m anyone understand this?
Post by: Shreknit on April 30, 2013, 08:19:44 AM
I have open dns at home and it works pretty well. They also have it at work (the business edition with an override code) but the strange thing is it only filters works computers, anything else using works wifi, including my own laptop doesn't get filtered.
I find it strange being that the filter is on the router.m anyone understand this?
Interesting I just set up opendns for my Inlaws. The free version of course. Works ok I find its not really great anything better for filtering wifi ?
Post by: yuneeq on April 30, 2013, 08:55:37 AM
@shreknit K9
Post by: jack12 on May 06, 2013, 01:37:48 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 06, 2013, 01:43:50 PM
Post by: doublejay on May 06, 2013, 02:30:44 PM
new filter: http://vcf.co.il/vcf
At first glance looks really good to me. Hope that this is the game-changer filter.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 06, 2013, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: yuneeq on May 06, 2013, 02:54:18 PM
new filter: http://vcf.co.il/vcf
Have you used it yet? Do you know if its easy to bypass?
@cbc it shouldn't let you get around
Post by: Twin on May 06, 2013, 06:03:42 PM
Post by: hocker on May 06, 2013, 07:56:38 PM
looking for a filter for bb z10, i want one that wont let any conection to the web after 1amIf only I had things my way, I would get you a filter that doesn't let you on to DDF at all :P
Post by: MEIR613 on May 07, 2013, 01:45:56 PM
I need to hide my IP address, but the problem is I have K9, which they are telling me is blocking them from connecting to hide my IP address.
Is there a way to hide your IP with K9(there has to be, jut not sure how to do it.
Any help would be appreciated. TIA
Post by: real-brisker on May 07, 2013, 02:21:57 PM
Post by: elikay on May 07, 2013, 03:12:52 PM
I am a total nOOn when it comes to this stuff, so hear me out.
I need to hide my IP address, but the problem is I have K9, which they are telling me is blocking them from connecting to hide my IP address.
Is there a way to hide your IP with K9(there has to be, jut not sure how to do it.
Any help would be appreciated. TIA
whitelist the site you are trying to use
Post by: MEIR613 on May 07, 2013, 03:23:06 PM
whitelist the site you are trying to useI unblocked the site and allowed the firewall through but its still telling me that somethings blocked
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 07, 2013, 04:44:21 PM
I unblocked the site and allowed the firewall through but its still telling me that somethings blockedAFAIK in order to hide your IP you have to go through a proxy k9 specifically blocks proxy, set k9 to allow proxy and should be ok.
Post by: elikay on May 07, 2013, 10:27:29 PM
I unblocked the site and allowed the firewall through but its still telling me that somethings blockedMust have more than one address which are blocked.
Post by: DanH on May 08, 2013, 06:03:12 AM
http://www.vpngate.net/en/download.aspx
Post by: jack12 on May 13, 2013, 11:27:04 PM
Have you used it yet? Do you know if its easy to bypass?I have not tried it
Post by: yuneeq on May 14, 2013, 12:31:17 AM
If I set opendns on my router, is it true that it can easily be bypassed by changing the dns lookup of the computer?
Apparently you were right about this. You can get around openDNS by changing the DNS lookup on your computer. You can block this exploit by doing as follows: In the firewall section of the router, set a new rule for port 53 (the port through which all DNS request must pass through), blocking all IP ranges and allowing only the IP range of 208.67.220.220 to 208.67.222.222, which is the OpenDNS servers. This would effectively mean that if a user attempts to use Google's 8.8.8.8 DNS server on his local PC, the request will be blocked altogether. In some cases you can block port 53 entirely and OpenDNS will continue to work through port 5353, but if this doesn't work you can simply allow the OpenDNS range as explained above.
Hope this works for you!
Post by: jack12 on May 14, 2013, 11:00:53 AM
Yea they contacted me a while back about this, they're planning to make something in Flatbush in the next week or two to setup this filter.http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/168035/PHOTOS%3A-Kiddush-Hashem-At-Flatbush-%27Filterthon%27-Event.html
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 14, 2013, 05:12:26 PM
Post by: snagger on May 14, 2013, 05:52:23 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 14, 2013, 06:33:48 PM
Post by: snagger on May 14, 2013, 06:40:51 PM
Problem with that filter is that it blocks itunes as well.thx. but how does it work?
Post by: Dan on May 14, 2013, 07:11:19 PM
Problem with that filter is that it blocks itunes as well.Lol...
Post by: Galitzyaner on May 17, 2013, 05:25:28 AM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/General+News/168035/PHOTOS%3A-Kiddush-Hashem-At-Flatbush-%27Filterthon%27-Event.html
Yea, was really nice, hundreds of pplThis guy (a network manager) says (http://blog.campsdeichemed.com/2013/05/vcf-filter-scam-please-share-to-alert.html) the whole thing was/is a fraud!
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:19:29 AM
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 09:58:33 AM
Idk his entire rant sounds a little suspicious. This is a filter based on livigent which is pretty well known and established. I haven't spent enough time with vcf yet to tell you if it indeed has vulnerabilities but I doubt he did either and it seems to be a good filter. Some of thwe technicians that built this filter were from jnet and other companies so I'm pretty sure its stable. He doesn't back anything he says with any technical facts and its not like they're making much $ on this, most of it goes to the livigent platform. I highly suspect some ulterior motive to his post especially considering he puts it on the same level as k9 which is pretty easy to get around! (Just do one search for how to remove k9 and you'll see)I haven't read his rant but livigent does have a solid reputation. Also I've heard that k9 is/has been rebuilt for windows 8 making the old exploits obsolete.
Edited: corrected typo
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 10:16:15 AM
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 03:47:07 PM
Thanks for accusing me of having an ulterior motive, I'm unsure what motive I can have as I'm not selling any product. They are! My motive is to alert the public. You write "He doesn't back anything he says with any technical facts". Thats true but I think the ball lies in their hand to say why its a better filter. How can I bring facts to disprove something when they dont give any facts to back up their claim. The one reason I see you and they wrote is that K9 is easier to get around. I'm sorry but it's just as easy to get around a cloud filter as it is to get around K9. The fact that you can find more results on a google search to remove K9 is only because K9 is so much more popular.
This is the sole reason given on the site "Millions were invested in VCF technology to make sure the filter is impossible to uninstall or bypass." Do I need to list how many methods one can use to bypass or uninstall. I think its reasonable to say that those who are bringing in their computers to a shul so that they can install filters for them are not the most familiar with networking and how filters work, never-mind what a cloud filter is. What are they telling these people to get them to sign up for a monthly fee. I'm really curious as to what reason is given for this extra expense.
As this is a public forum not run by vinishmartem, I'm hoping we can get some basic facts as to why someone should spend any extra money on this filter. I'll be happy to recommend the product if I see any benefit from it.
Dovid
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 04:10:26 PM
Now lets discuss your initial post -
1) You dismiss a product as a scam without any specific knowledge about this product.
2) You claim this how no benefit over K9 without knowing if this is indeed the case, or taking into account that K9 is a filter that can be bypassed pretty easily, if you Google k9 one of the first links that come up is how to get around it.
3) Venishmartem was never a money making organization - they were all about Public awareness and help, most of their website (especially until they produced their own filter) doesn't sell any of their own products.
4) They actually spent money and resources creating a free internet blocking app for blackberry.
5) if you read their filter guide you will see they clearly go thru each filter for each device with all the pros and cons.
6) Many technicians (myself included) try to help people by installing filters at these events - for no charge. In the following days we start getting calls I want facebook open, I want youtube blocked etc, we then have to teach a tech dummy how to install remote software and spend hours with this! This was one of the reasons I wasn't installing filters as much lately. With a cloud based filter this issue disappears - and since they pay for the filter per month they are entitled to full support and that in itself is very important.
7) You said "Thats true but I think the ball lies in their hand to say why its a better filter". Well in my book and I assume many other people the ball lies in your court to say why you feel something is a scam. Merely the fact that you dont know anything about it isn't a scam, call them and broaden your knowledge
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 04:15:38 PM
K9 still can't filter youtube etc this one does have that ability, they are also working on adding image filtering. Its also easily managed - changes can be made even when the computer is offline which is a great feature and makes it easier for supportIt locks safe search which is fine for many...
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 04:32:47 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 04:58:33 PM
Ok lets start with the facts, as one of the technicians at this event I can tell you that we weren't instructed what filter to recommend, many of us - Myself included - spent most of the day installing k9. In my experience so far, and as I have said before I didn't spend that much time trying to crack this filter - but i haven't seen the vulnerabilities yet.
Now lets discuss your initial post -
1) You dismiss a product as a scam without any specific knowledge about this product.
First I did read everything I could from your site and the site you linked to and I understand the technology very well and I can see the purpose for other reasons but I dont see how it's any more effective as an unbreakable filter.
2) You claim this how no benefit over K9 without knowing if this is indeed the case, or taking into account that K9 is a filter that can be bypassed pretty easily, if you Google k9 one of the first links that come up is how to get around it.
Maybe you didnt read my post but I explained that the reason you can google K9 and get so many results is because its a very common filter but this cloud based filtering is not popular and therefore the results are much fewer, but anyone can bypass the cloud just as easily as K9. Are you disputing this fact?
3) Venishmartem was never a money making organization - they were all about Public awareness and help, most of their website (especially until they produced their own filter) doesn't sell any of their own products.
So you say. I'd rather not get into whether you are making money off this product or not. The website says that 6 million dollars was invested in this filter! My question is for what?
4) They actually spent money and resources creating a free internet blocking app for blackberry.
Thank you.
5) if you read their filter guide you will see they clearly go thru each filter for each device with all the pros and cons.
I read them all and yet they dont give any good reasons for this costly cloud filter, which they claim is the best one. The old reason about K9 not protecting oneself as one knows the password was debunked long ago as one can just let his friend or neighbor install the software.
6) Many technicians (myself included) try to help people by installing filters at these events - for no charge. In the following days we start getting calls I want facebook open, I want youtube blocked etc, we then have to teach a tech dummy how to install remote software and spend hours with this! This was one of the reasons I wasn't installing filters as much lately. With a cloud based filter this issue disappears - and since they pay for the filter per month they are entitled to full support and that in itself is very important.
So than you should list this as the reason to pay for this filter as it provides full tech support. You can also just charge people for support with K9 or other filters or better yet just put links on your site for people that have technical questions. The product isn't being sold as such and that is misleading. It's sold as a better filter, not a filter with tech support.
7) You said "Thats true but I think the ball lies in their hand to say why its a better filter". Well in my book and I assume many other people the ball lies in your court to say why you feel something is a scam. Merely the fact that you dont know anything about it isn't a scam, call them and broaden your knowledge
Thats not true. I did look at all the information I can and there is no valid explanation as to why this filter is being recommended. I also wonder if the Rabonim that signed this sheet and support Vshinantom were told that you are pushing a product and what the benefits of the cloud filter are?
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 05:24:54 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 05:50:04 PM
2) So according to your logic any paid filter is a scam because you can get K9 for free? Jnet, Filternet BlueCoat for Business (which is K9) are all scams? Is every paid product a scam because you can get a similar product for free? You can get a free anti-virus or a paid one similarly you can get a free filter or paid filter.
3) Why can anyone bypass cloud just as easily as K9 - VCF is based on Livigent which Jnet has been using for years, afaik its much harder to bypass than K9!
4) Whether they do make money or not at this point which I don't know as I'm unaffiliated with them, they are doing a service that nobody did till now and are doing it in a way that gives you the power to decide your filtering level.
5) this isn't such a costly filter compared to others, Jnet was always more expensive.
Honestly I'm not sure what your trying to prove, it wasn't listed as being a free filter, we were installing free filters as well. Nobody came to me and said try to push one filter over the other, but at the end of the day everyone knows k9 has many vulnerabilities! When a parent comes to me and says he has children that are very tech savvy is K9 enough for them I tell it like it is.
Post by: Galitzyaner on May 17, 2013, 05:57:28 PM
Thats not true. I did look at all the information I can and there is no valid explanation as to why this filter is being recommended. I also wonder if the Rabonim that signed this sheet and support Vshinantom were told that you are pushing a product and what the benefits of the cloud filter are?From venishmartem to vshinantom, LOL!
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 05:57:53 PM
First, since when was TheJNet a successful company or a company to put hopes on, they are considered a big failure so please don't reference this company as a success.
Livigent is nothing more than a proxy filtering server designed in Romania doing content and image filtering, the product was designed to run on a server locally and was never designed to be used in a mass scale.
The fact is the ones who deployed them already are failing, NetTzach in Israel by Belz, Satmar Zalman Leib named Meshimer, the only reason why they even got any subscribers was for the fact that they threatened to kick out the kids from school if this product is not purchased.
Based on all feedbacks including B&H Photo, despite all the technical resources and money to make this product a success it's one big failure, it's not secure, it's not reliable and it's not fast.
Even the images are not properly filtered it cannot filter flash images, black-and-white images or other application-based images, it does not work completely on facial recognition as it modifies all images in this skin color family, why not block those pornography related sites and the woman's section of the department stores websites.
Content filtering, how could you define good from bad blogs? and if you need human interventions why do we need live content, K9 and most other filters are doing a magnificent job defining sites which are considered pornography or bad depending the categories.
K9 can be easily uninstalled, can you exactly tell me how to uninstall K9 the latest release? I will tell you how to remove this software in fact so this argument is very lousy.
Livigent is slow problematic and if you have any speed issues to argue on K9 this product would be your nightmare.
Post by: DovtheBear on May 17, 2013, 05:58:44 PM
I was directed to this post from Twitter.???
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:09:16 PM
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:18:11 PM
I will not go through the purported weaknesses of each filter as that will help none. But for the hamoin am, to quote Rabbi Reisman "to keep good people good" even a filter with vulnerabilities is better than nothing.
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:19:11 PM
Take a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep breath!
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:23:11 PM
HATZOLAH, did you ever see them coming up with solutions saving people and then charge money or they use solutions available and do it for free to help others.
This Venishmartem product when it's provided by a nonprofit organization and cannot make the argument for donations so for it to be free is worth nothing, we don't need a new filter product which is worth nothing, and if you sell it for something it's a scam besides if you tell me it's not a nonprofit and it's a business and if it's a business let them say so and don't play the double facing game.
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:25:16 PM
Why people consider this product a scam?A server based solution will never be free.
HATZOLAH, did you ever see them coming up with solutions saving people and then charge money or they use solutions available and do it for free to help others.
This Venishmartem product when it's provided by a nonprofit organization and cannot make the argument for donations so for it to be free is worth nothing, we don't need a new filter product which is worth nothing, and if you sell it for something it's a scam besides if you tell me it's not a nonprofit and it's a business and if it's a business let them say so and don't play the double facing game.
Post by: Galitzyaner on May 17, 2013, 06:25:59 PM
I did not realize that link pointed to "that blog" ::) he's got an ax to grind ;)Can you enlighten us as to what the axe is? I've never heard of him before, only of his late father (who's articles I'd read, and often find myself disagreeing with, and sometimes enjoying) A"H.
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 06:28:22 PM
I did not realize that link pointed to "that blog" ::) he's got an ax to grind ;)+1
I will not go through the purported weaknesses of each filter as that will help none. But for the hamoin am, to quote Rabbi Reisman "to keep good people good" even a filter with vulnerabilities is better than nothing.
The point of a filter is to protect a normal person from having an occasional weak moment, not to lock out all evil permanently, if someone is so driven that he google's how to bypass a filter etc., he can also go buy a mag...Most filters are fine.
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:28:45 PM
Can you enlighten us as to what the axe is? I've never heard of him before, only of his late father (who's articles I'd read, and often find myself disagreeing with, and sometimes enjoying) A"H.The guy has been making fun of filters from day one regardless of free (yes the same k9 he is sticking up for now!) or paid!
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 06:29:12 PM
The guy has been making fun of filters from day one regardless of free (yes the same k9 he is sticking up for now!) or paid!+3
Post by: Galitzyaner on May 17, 2013, 06:30:17 PM
+1Doesn't that only prove the point of the detractors of this new filter under criticism?!
The point of a filter is to protect a normal person from having an occasional weak moment, not to lock out all evil permanently, if someone is so driven that he google's how to bypass a filter etc., he can also go buy a mag...Most filters are fine.
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:30:43 PM
It's server base, who cares? As long as TAG or Guard Your Eyes is willing to offer free assistance what's the point?
Post by: Galitzyaner on May 17, 2013, 06:32:12 PM
The guy has been making fun of filters from day one regardless of free (yes the same k9 he is sticking up for now!) or paid!Hhmmm, interesting. I'll wait to hear what he has to say about that...
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:33:56 PM
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:35:32 PM
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:37:15 PM
People know well how to say K9 could be easily removed but the funny part is no one knows how to do it with all the Google resources availableI have and so has DH I am sure, but from what I have heard they may have plugged some holes already.
Though I would still recommend k9 without missing a beat.
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 06:39:16 PM
Doesn't that only prove the point of the detractors of this new filter under criticism?!indeed I'm personally very happy with k9. I don't really care if it's a scam one way or another.
To fight against the filtering movement though is just wrong and childish.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 06:40:25 PM
TheJNet, Kosher Net are out of business not because they were successful or they had good products, they had nothing to offer in comparison to free K9, not even service, as long as your arguments against K9 will continue being silly like it could easily be removed it will keep on rising while others will keep on failing, I don't know anyone who recently successfully disabled the product and the ones who are technical enough to disable it your product is not worth either.
Jnet was a failure because it ran on DSL and didn't have good support! The concept wasn't a failure.
The progress they made with this filter for (cloud based, can make changes while not connected to pc, can replicate setting for other pcs) is really nice and innovative. Out of all the filters I would think you would appreciate a jewish filter designed with you in mind without making restriction like no facebook etc.
Either way I still don't see how this equals scam - even according to you its just not as good as a free filter.
On a side note - many ppl don't agree with what youtube "safe search" considers safe and they may want better control - this filter does that. It's not your place to decide that its not worth the money they charge.
Also as far as I know and I spoke to a few B&H techs they are very satisfied with this filter and are switched to it from Bluecoat (k9)
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:42:13 PM
To fight against the filtering movement though is just wrong and childish.Exactly, I sense here more of a fight against filters (at least from that blogger who seems to simply want to enlighten us to his pearls of wisdom).
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 06:42:41 PM
I have and so has DH I am sure, but from what I have heard they may have plugged some holes already.+1 I didn't try the new one yet.
Though I would still recommend k9 without missing a beat.
Even k9 will not filter youtube - Not everyone wants their children to watch everything they say is safe
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 06:43:24 PM
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:44:20 PM
Also as far as I know and I spoke to a few B&H techs they are very satisfied with this filter and are switched to it from Bluecoat (k9)Does B&H still use Livigent for their Email? They definitely used to. Either way heard high praise of livigent from BH techs.
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 06:45:59 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 06:47:06 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 06:47:11 PM
Does B&H still use Livigent for their Email? They definitely used to. Either way heard high praise of livigent from BH techs.I'm not sure, I just confirmed with a few techs though - they are happy with livigent - so I'm not sure what @myuser is referring to.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 06:47:58 PM
So what exactly does the new filter allow on YouTube? only educational? How about music, news, sports etc.Not sure I missed the meeting when they were explaining the VCF filter but I believe you can filter according to your guidelines
Post by: DovtheBear on May 17, 2013, 06:48:35 PM
It is possible to live without youtube altogether though..:o
Nah just kidding :)
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:52:30 PM
I am involved with B&H Photo first of all the higher ups are still not using this product they have exceptions even the smaller technical team had exceptions until recently, the product keeps on crashing they have the benefit to switch it over in a instant moment so big deal, most workers could not care less if things are slow or not, but for the knowledge team it's a big hassle and a disaster, this could not be called a success.
I marvel while there is so much hate in B&H photo on this product how people could continue posting how happy they are with it, B&H photo is only pushing it for the fact that the owner is suicidal for this subject.
And for all you pushing an agenda about YouTube K9 is beta testing YouTube URL filtering.
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:55:01 PM
1. Install the latest K9 have people searching Google how to remove it and succeed.
2. Use for one day Livigent with the images and content filtering on.
When done post your experience and don't puppy words from others.
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 06:56:44 PM
On this forum we try to be respectful.
No one is saying that livigent is better or worse than k9..
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 06:59:17 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 06:59:23 PM
The issue here initially was whether this company charging money for a filter is considered a scam or not, the answer is no!
If you still disagree with me on that, please explain
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:01:12 PM
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 07:02:24 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:06:53 PM
When they started developing the product K9 was extremely lacking, they may be doing better now but that doesn't change the fact they developed a product to help the community with the flaws the other filters have. I don't believe they are making much if any money on it, and the proof is in the fact they didn't charge for the blackberry app. They run a website with volunteers full time, created a filter which costs them money and they do have a service for ppl that can't afford it where they don't charge them.
This really doesn't feel like an organization trying to get fat off others money
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 07:15:42 PM
Post by: myuser on May 17, 2013, 07:17:33 PM
You Make me laugh when you talk about the blackberry solution, do you know that blackberry has parental control doing the exact same but much better and more powerful than they? What was the point of creating a blackberry solution to block the browser, maybe they don't know how to manage money and developing nonsense.
Things start to make sense developing a blackberry blocking browser which is available from blackberry parental control, and now this new product which is not needed and not necessary.
You are saying we are making a new Jewish product this is the problem we are creating a new cult and a mandatory product which we see already happening with NetTzach Israel by Belz, Meshimer by Satmar Zalman Leib, therefore I need to say no, and we do not need TAG and GYI to contribute to this nonsense.
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 07:18:50 PM
http://blog.campsdeichemed.com/2012/06/how-60000-ultra-orthodox-jews-were.html
I wouldnt have brought it up, but others did. Now where is that ax?
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 07:23:09 PM
http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2013/05/resolutions-following-boro-park.html
I quote " b. The Filter must be guarded under the auspices of a valid organization which is under the supervision of Rabbonim and one that can not be removed on its own."
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:23:29 PM
Arguing Livigent in B&H Photo we have multiple users using Livigent from NetTzach Israel by Belz, Meshimer by Satmar Zalman Leib, ask all those people and as I suggested before try it yourself don't puppy after others then we will talk, K9 is still proven to satisfy almost all the uses and I am asking VCF not to kill it let others make a business out of this.
You Make me laugh when you talk about the blackberry solution, do you know that blackberry has parental control doing the exact same but much better and more powerful than they? What was the point of creating a blackberry solution to block the browser, maybe they don't know how to manage money and developing nonsense.
Things start to make sense developing a blackberry blocking browser which is available from blackberry parental control, and now this new product which is not needed and not necessary.
You are saying we are making a new Jewish product this is the problem we are creating a new cult and a mandatory product which we see already happening with NetTzach Israel by Belz, Meshimer by Satmar Zalman Leib, therefore I need to say no, and we do not need TAG and GYI to contribute to this nonsense.
Once again you keep avoiding the point, the question here was whether or not its a scam! I'm not promoting any agenda here and it would be nice if you didn't either. The blackberry app was very useful to many ppl and it doesn't matter if you can do it in a dif way or not. They were trying to create a blackberry filtered browser but I believe they didn't have the resources for it, I guess they felt it wasn't worth putting that much money into RIM...
We aren't discussimng belz or stmar so you can stop bringing it up..
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:24:57 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 07:31:45 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:36:39 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 17, 2013, 07:38:41 PM
For those accusing me of an ax to grind, lets try to stick to the facts. If you are interested in what he is referring to you can read about my article here. I was never "against" filters. I am against making money off frum Jews that dont know much about technology. http://blog.campsdeichemed.com/2012/04/open-letter-to-ichud-hakehillos.htmlFor some silly reason I actually clicked the link, I glanced at the first paragraph and saw the words "The Internet by design was created not to be filtered.."
Your blinded by your agenda, you rant against filters because its one of the things the ppl you hate advocate for. No, your not "against filters" but you will make any irrational claim or argument against the people that you oppose and the hadrachah that they give.
Kol tuv!
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:43:59 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 17, 2013, 07:47:26 PM
Why cant we stick to the facts and just give one reason how this filter that cost money is better for a frum home to use?
Post by: elikay on May 17, 2013, 07:49:13 PM
How can you say I'm against filters when I recommend K9. You keep repeating this lie that I am against filters. I'm not. I'm against charging innocent people for filters when there are free ones that are just as good. I'm against fooling the public who doesnt know better.This time around ::)
Why cant we stick to the facts and just give one reason how this filter that cost money is better for a frum home to use?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 17, 2013, 07:51:08 PM
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2013, 07:52:57 PM
Why cant we stick to the facts and just give one reason how this filter that cost money is better for a frum home to use?I'm super impartial in this argument, but seemingly DH has stated that this new filter is harder to bypass and easier to customize so people that want more have what to spend more on and people that want free have a free option.
Feel free to prove otherwise, but why do you keep repeating this same question? A better response would include a factual proof to the contrary.
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 09:42:09 PM
I'm super impartial in this argument, but seemingly DH has stated that this new filter is harder to bypass and easier to customize so people that want more have what to spend more on and people that want free have a free option.Because there is no evidence that it is any harder to bypass. His only reason for being harder to bypass was that you can find more results on google on how to bypass K9. The only reason for that is because K9 is popular and this new one isnt, but there are just as many ways to bypass this cloud filter as K9 and he knows that. If this is debatable I can start listing them here.
Feel free to prove otherwise, but why do you keep repeating this same question? A better response would include a factual proof to the contrary.
On his second point, that this new filter it is more customization is also completely false. What customization is he referring to that are not available from K9 or other free downloads off the Internet.
Dan, this organization prides itself as trying to help the public make proper decisions as to what filters to use. If this was just any other business trying to sell a product I really couldn't care less what they do. Innocent religious Jews come to these stands having no understanding of filters and rely on these people to give them the best information out there.
I hope you allow this forum to stay with the facts and not turn into personal attacks against me or anyone else.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 09:48:52 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 09:53:14 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 09:59:12 PM
Of course K9 also blocks facebook. Are you denying this?
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 18, 2013, 10:01:40 PM
Now that I have properly addressed your questions, I really would appreciate if you can reciprocate. Why is a paid filter a scam???You realize that this is not the first time he has attacked the organizations. He has an agenda/chip on his shoulder, its not the "scam"- thats not his problem, whatever is bothering him, you are wasting time arguing over k9 vs the new filter. I seriously doubt that he has a real issue with the new filter at all.
Post by: LeeW on May 18, 2013, 10:04:40 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:04:53 PM
Whether or not livigent is a fast filter or slows you down, this definitely has more power than k9. At this time K9 cannot filter youtube or facebook. Its also harder to remove as its installed by third party and you don't have the option to send password to your email address.I honestly can't believe you are saying these things. There is a simple remedy which has been mentioned over and over. When you put your email address in K9 instillation you give them someone else Email address. Are you saying someone should pay a monthly fee so that you should keep their password for them. If anyone can't find a friend to help them with this they can use my email address. This is so insane.
Post by: chaimmayer on May 18, 2013, 10:06:14 PM
Having said that 6 million does sound like a lot! Do you really think that it is that easily circumvented?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:06:46 PM
and seriously you keep avoioding the second question, makes you look like there's a reason for it..
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:09:19 PM
I feel like I missed the part where you explain why this is a scam. If you don't think it's worth spending money on the filter, if you are happy with k9 then continue to use it. No one is forcing you to use vcf filter. How is this a scam?Because they represent themselves as an organization out to help the public. So you are OK with them selling a product without any benefits over a free one? Great. I'm not and I call that a scam.
Post by: Saver2000 on May 18, 2013, 10:10:43 PM
I'm not understanding, if they offer better protection + more customization options, why is it a scam?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:14:53 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:17:43 PM
@Dave345Because he is unable to give one reason how its better protection or what more customization there is. He mentioned two things that I previously showed in links to be untrue.
I'm not understanding, if they offer better protection + more customization options, why is it a scam?
Have you ever gone into a store and tried to buy one item that they advertise and instead the guy convinces you to buy a more expensive item telling you its a better product, than you come back home and do research and see you were told lies. Its called Bait and Switch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bait-and-switch
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:19:33 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:20:36 PM
They made filtering events without any vcf filter. They created a website and a comprehensive filter guide. They went ahead and created a filter that they felt would be more beneficial to some ppl and those that went it - choose it over k9. They didn't have any used car salesman offering vcf over k9, they had a bunch of volunteer techs helping ppl decide what works fr them. Some ppl chose K9 and some VCF! Are you telling these ppl they must use k9? Because I sure didn't tell them they must use VCF? Between the two of us - you seem to be the one forcing ppl into a specific filter
The event was made to HELP people find the best filter for them. Yet throughout this discussion you have yet to say why vcf filter is beneficial for anybody?! The two reasons you gave were outright lies and as someone who is supposed to be an expert I'm really surprised that you would say it.
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:22:20 PM
@dave it blocks facebook and similar, doesn't filter it! Please stop with the agenda, why can't it be possible that there's a stricter filter than K9 out there. I don't force anyone to use a specific filter, why would you force everyone to use k9? It really doesn't make sense.What kind of filtering are you looking for in facebook? How exactly does the cloud filter facebook?
and seriously you keep avoioding the second question, makes you look like there's a reason for it..
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:22:41 PM
Youtube filter is still in experimental stage, still allows things thru many times as they say themselves....
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:23:42 PM
I gotta side with DH on this. There are nebach tons of not computer savvy people who need a filter but don't know how to it properly. We are talking about the type of people bringing DH their computer to install k9 because that is too difficult for them. It makes sense that they need a customizable cloud.How does a customizable cloud help them? Can you explain this?
Having said that 6 million does sound like a lot! Do you really think that it is that easily circumvented?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:24:37 PM
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Post by: Shreknit on May 18, 2013, 10:27:19 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:29:32 PM
I gotta side with DH on this. There are nebach tons of not computer savvy people who need a filter but don't know how to it properly. We are talking about the type of people bringing DH their computer to install k9 because that is too difficult for them. It makes sense that they need a customizable cloud.Yes it is that easy to circumvent. There is no proof that it isnt other than there word. As someone that knows networking it's very simple to bypass a DNS entry. remember, just like in K9 its your computer that is filtering itself. All one needs to do is tell the computer to bypass the cloud limitation and its over. It's just as simple as bypassing K9.
Having said that 6 million does sound like a lot! Do you really think that it is that easily circumvented?
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
I was at the Landaus event. Not one person on my side of the tent was told to put in the vcf filter. This was from 7-11pm. Granted this may be because i was near the mobile people, but even the discs containing info on the vcf filter wasn't moving. Nobody was pushed to take that filter.And yet YWN reports that 1500 were sold. Can you explain this?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
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Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:33:37 PM
cloud filtering is just the name of the filter... Its really based very much on livigent filter, and as most BH employees can tell you - this is a very strict filter. Some ppl want this! Why is that so hard to understand!!Actually if you read the forum and go back a few pages you will see a B&H employee saying the exact opposite!
Stating that the livigent filter is stricter is playing with words unless you explain how and why is stricter.
Are you referring to the Image altering?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:33:58 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:35:19 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
I was there for 5 hrs and didn't sell a single one, can you explain that??Earlier you said you did sell it to those who wanted. Here is the article http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/article.php?p=168035
"People left the Filterthon with knowledge about the many different filtering systems available for their devices, many installing the protection that best suits their needs, on the spot. At least 1,500 people downloaded the new VCF filter. What a Kiddush Hashem!"
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:37:15 PM
Actually his main complaint was that it slows down the system!...and he said there was no benefit. Look back at the post
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:38:01 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:38:44 PM
Actually if you read the forum and go back a few pages you will see a B&H employee saying the exact opposite!That's one of the benefits
Stating that the livigent filter is stricter is playing with words unless you explain how and why is stricter.
Are you referring to the Image altering? http://www.livigent.com/support-details/p-1/#image
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:42:41 PM
They gave out free cds that come with a 30day trial of the vcf filter, I would imagine that makes up alarge amount of that number. So first of all we'll see if they keep it after a month, second - many ppl will install them for home computers and if they want that over k9 its their decision!!Of course it is their decision. I never said you guys were forcing anyone to buy it. But you did say and so does the website that it is the best option. In other words the best option is a filter that one pays for. This sound reasonable but it doesnt hold up with the facts. People are very gullible and when you tell them a certain filter is the best one and they are so concerned about it they will pay the extra money for it. As someone that is there to help the tzibor can you one last time explain why this filter is in any possibly way better, besides for your own word?
Post by: elikay on May 18, 2013, 10:47:22 PM
You keep on repeating the same nonsense, that VCF is a scam though you never even tried it just because they charge money (which DH said about a million pages ago mainly goes to livigent).
You claim that DH sold it and contradicted himself when all he said is that about half the day "he" spent putting k9, NOWHERE did he say that he sold a SINGLE copy!
PLEASE keep your agenda to your blog and let us have normal conversations here
Post by: Steven on May 18, 2013, 10:52:42 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:53:33 PM
@dave you are seriously cluttering this place with your spewage.You got it. I said enough. Let the people decide for themselves.
You keep on repeating the same nonsense, that VCF is a scam though you never even tried it just because they charge money (which DH said about a million pages ago mainly goes to livigent).
You claim that DH sold it and contradicted himself when all he said is that about half the day "he" spent putting k9, NOWHERE did he say that he sold a SINGLE copy!
PLEASE keep your agenda to your blog and let us have normal conversations here
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 10:57:20 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 10:58:05 PM
I'm unaffiliated with VCF, I'm only having this discussion because I feel you incorrectly called it a scam - and people are indeed easily influenced. This is a filter that was filter that was developed with the typical computer user that isn't very tech savvy in mind. Anyone that's tech savvy doesn't need these events, they can install K9 on their own and figure out how to deal with it - we don't need a genius to figure that out. The typical guy at these events doesn't know how to install k9.
There are some very nice benefits to this filter which you probably would agree with if it didn't cost money and wasn't a "Jewish Scam".
Content filtering by text, images etc is much stricter than k9, I'll grant you that it may be slower and crash sometimes but most ppl opting for this filter are ok with that.
Having the ability to make changes even when not connected, or use a common profile even when switching computers etc is very helpful for many ppl as is the support. Yes I'm sure they could charge ppl for k9 support as well, but they actually don't. They install k9 and take calls and support even though they don't charge for it.
This is an organization helping ppl with volunteers and have bills as well, but don't charge anything from the community. The least you can do is acknowledge that and not call them a scam.
I don't see you offering anyone on your blogs help with installing filters....
Post by: Fish Tank on May 18, 2013, 11:03:19 PM
Thanks for responding and it's nice that you dedicate so much of your time to help the Klal but you haven't yet explained why this filter is being offered and what benefit it has over a free filter. According to YWN site there were 1500 of this product sold at the event. As someone that volunteered his time at the event can you please tell the public what benefits there are to this filter? What reasons did you give to explain why this is the recommended filter? As to the rest of your statements I'll respond accordingly below...Is this a joke?? Are you seriously quoting YWN and using their numbers to side with you on your argument??
Email them and ask them where they got their numbers from. Enough said.
Regarding the argument, we all know (except for DH data?) that you have a blog and a heavy agenda. Enjoy!
Post by: elikay on May 18, 2013, 11:03:38 PM
Post by: dave345 on May 18, 2013, 11:04:58 PM
I don't see you offering anyone on your blogs help with installing filters....
Actually I put together another blog which does help people in explaining to them filters and all other things related to having the internet in a frum home. Its called
internet in the jewish home - How To Navigate The Internet As An Orthodox Jew http://www.internetinjewishhome.com/
I promise there are no products being sold on the site, except links to other filter companies that I first checked reviews for.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 18, 2013, 11:10:56 PM
The truth is if they would've consulted me I would have told them to market their filter separately to avoid this type whole conversation. Despite having representatives from other filter companies at the filterthon and they weren't pushing their product, I see it gave you the wrong idea and they should've avoided that. Having said that I don't think its right to call them a ascam just because you feel their product is inferior in your opinion, and you only addressed the last line in my reply - again...
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 18, 2013, 11:12:28 PM
Post by: elikay on May 18, 2013, 11:14:40 PM
I would recommend extensions like adblock, even with k9 they help to avoid objectionable asvertisement images on many legit sites. (Not to mention that they make TLS bearable ;) )Adblockers absolutely they make DD bearable ;)
Post by: myuser on May 19, 2013, 12:30:35 AM
The argument that Venishmartem VCF filter using Livigent is a better product as it's more difficult to remove and it has better functionality specifically you keep on mentioning Images,YouTube and Facebook, let me respond and I hope you will reply with decent arguments if you have any and to the point.
First when you're saying we are doing Internet filtering mainly to protect our kids, let me ask you do you think that any filter out their today is able to protect Jewish kids from the gossips and the dirt of the Internet? Are you making the argument that Livigent filter is considered safe for kids? There is no Internet filtering today I know could protect kids and if you claim Livigent filter is able to I would say it's a true groundbreaking product but first I would like your kids to be the ones exploring this product and then we will talk how safe it is. The fact by all Asifas it was very clear no kids should access any computers on any circumstances even with a filter.
For most adults including most of you, you have no way removing K9 software regardless the education from the Internet, and for someone educated why not just have your hard drive divided into two operating systems one filtered and one not? It's idiotic to make an argument that Livigent is difficult to remove as it's not true, in fact I am advising people who had them installed because they were misguided to do a system restore and it will be gone, in fact technicians of TAG were told to test this product for their organization and they came back to stay away as it has nothing to offer and it's easy to remove in three steps, as I told you already last Friday install it yourself then give your input.
Before I make my main argument about them filtering YouTube and Facebook let me ask you how can they filter acceptable good blogs from bad blogs I am not talking blogs promoting pornography as that's very simple to identify with words I am talking blugs talking about religion how could you divide good topics from bad? the same question goes to Facebook how do you know people I follow are good or bad?, talking about YouTube they cannot filter the actual video they could only filter the content on that YouTube page so if the video has woman dancing in !!! how will they exactly filter that? Going back to protecting your kids is this how you plan to protect your kids taking chances on those videos or Facebook friends? Or taking chances on images? It's very nice when a company writes that they could do all those nice things but in a open world we are entitled to ask questions.
So you will tell me B&H photo, NetTzach, Meshimer are using this product successfully, let me first make this clear, non of those providers are using this product with YouTube, Facebook, as mentioned already before B&H photo does have exceptions on certain departments and technicians otherwise how are they updating their own blogs which they post all sorts of videos and images some of them are not so appropriate, I still didn't find any person using the Internet regularly using Livigent to be happy, they all claim the same it's too restrictive full of nonsense keeps on crashing crazy slow and blocking false items, I will ask again did you try this product yourself?, did you see how the Facebook filtering works? Did you see how the YouTube filtering works?
Security, how are they filtering content on SSL sites without being the man in the middle, so now they are exposing all you data by being the man in the middle and gathering all your passwords accounts and information by having your passwords they could even see the money in your bank account, are people aware of this? Is this even legal? Did anyone even ask them those questions or because they are called Jewish filtering they could do what ever they want, then we don't understand why people lose the trust to those organizations.
Let me clarify it's not only Jewish people who are trying to protect kids and themselves, Arabs, Christians, and other religions are dealing with the same problems they have more money and more knowledge than the people of Livigent JNet, most of them don't have a college degree, the demand for image filtering is not something new the biggest demand on all filtering products is about image filtering the reason why it's still not available is due to available technology to support them, it's just not there yet and I don't think Livigent is the answer to this.
They claim $6 million was invested in this project it's like me saying I won the lottery today in fact prove it.
Post by: elikay on May 19, 2013, 12:40:10 AM
I am not getting into if it's a scam or misguidance or its not there business as a organization to represent their own product when advertising a free solution.In 30 words please, this is way beyond my attention span
The argument that Venishmartem VCF filter using Livigent is a better product as it's more difficult to remove and it has better functionality specifically you keep on mentioning Images,YouTube and Facebook, let me respond and I hope you will reply with decent arguments if you have any and to the point.
First when you're saying we are doing Internet filtering mainly to protect our kids, let me ask you do you think that any filter out their today is able to protect Jewish kids from the gossips and the dirt of the Internet? Are you making the argument that Livigent filter is considered safe for kids? There is no Internet filtering today I know could protect kids and if you claim Livigent filter is able to I would say it's a true groundbreaking product but first I would like your kids to be the ones exploring this product and then we will talk how safe it is. The fact by all Asifas it was very clear no kids should access any computers on any circumstances even with a filter.
For most adults including most of you, you have no way removing K9 software regardless the education from the Internet, and for someone educated why not just have your hard drive divided into two operating systems one filtered and one not? It's idiotic to make an argument that Livigent is difficult to remove as it's not true, in fact I am advising people who had them installed because they were misguided to do a system restore and it will be gone, in fact technicians of TAG were told to test this product for their organization and they came back to stay away as it has nothing to offer and it's easy to remove in three steps, as I told you already last Friday install it yourself then give your input.
Before I make my main argument about them filtering YouTube and Facebook let me ask you how can they filter acceptable good blogs from bad blogs I am not talking blogs promoting pornography as that's very simple to identify with words I am talking blugs talking about religion how could you divide good topics from bad? the same question goes to Facebook how do you know people I follow are good or bad?, talking about YouTube they cannot filter the actual video they could only filter the content on that YouTube page so if the video has woman dancing in !!! how will they exactly filter that? Going back to protecting your kids is this how you plan to protect your kids taking chances on those videos or Facebook friends? Or taking chances on images? It's very nice when a company writes that they could do all those nice things but in a open world we are entitled to ask questions.
So you will tell me B&H photo, NetTzach, Meshimer are using this product successfully, let me first make this clear, non of those providers are using this product with YouTube, Facebook, as mentioned already before B&H photo does have exceptions on certain departments and technicians otherwise how are they updating their own blogs which they post all sorts of videos and images some of them are not so appropriate, I still didn't find any person using the Internet regularly using Livigent to be happy, they all claim the same it's too restrictive full of nonsense keeps on crashing crazy slow and blocking false items, I will ask again did you try this product yourself?, did you see how the Facebook filtering works? Did you see how the YouTube filtering works?
Security, how are they filtering content on SSL sites without being the man in the middle, so now they are exposing all you data by being the man in the middle and gathering all your passwords accounts and information by having your passwords they could even see the money in your bank account, are people aware of this? Is this even legal? Did anyone even ask them those questions or because they are called Jewish filtering they could do what ever they want, then we don't understand why people lose the trust to those organizations.
Let me clarify it's not only Jewish people who are trying to protect kids and themselves, Arabs, Christians, and other religions are dealing with the same problems they have more money and more knowledge than the people of Livigent JNet, most of them don't have a college degree, the demand for image filtering is not something new the biggest demand on all filtering products is about image filtering the reason why it's still not available is due to available technology to support them, it's just not there yet and I don't think Livigent is the answer to this.
They claim $6 million was invested in this project it's like me saying I won the lottery today in fact prove it.
Post by: DovtheBear on May 19, 2013, 12:44:35 AM
In 10 words please, this is way beyond my attention spanFTFY:P
Now, +1
Post by: myuser on May 19, 2013, 12:44:47 AM
About your arguments of K9 email sign up, or the passwords, Venishmartem, Guard Your Eyes, TAG they all offer free assistance for this and even if you need to add more sites they will it for free, for you technicians claiming people are bothering you with making changes and cannot charge money don't do it, let them go to those organizations for assistance they do it for free and you try making money somewhere else.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 19, 2013, 12:45:11 AM
Post by: myuser on May 19, 2013, 12:49:28 AM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 19, 2013, 12:52:01 AM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on May 19, 2013, 12:55:22 AM
They should have released it under a dif name - not affiliated with the main filtering part of the organization
Post by: elikay on May 19, 2013, 01:09:58 AM
I do believe as I've said before that venishmartem didn't do a smart move by releasing their own filter, it changes the dynamics from help organization to player..+1
They should have released it under a dif name - not affiliated with the main filtering part of the organization
Post by: Thingywingy on May 22, 2013, 02:43:07 AM
Post by: LeeW on May 22, 2013, 08:28:20 AM
I'm sorry if this was discussed earlier but someone just mentioned to me that with windows 8 k9 doesn't really work cause you can get apps which are not protected by K9. Is this correct?
Is there any way to block the app store? If yes, use it with k9.
Post by: elikay on May 22, 2013, 12:42:14 PM
I'm sorry if this was discussed earlier but someone just mentioned to me that with windows 8 k9 doesn't really work cause you can get apps which are not protected by K9. Is this correct?I believe that information is outdated. Not saying that you don't have to be careful which apps are installed.
Post by: DanH on May 22, 2013, 02:08:18 PM
Quote
New K9 Beta for Desktop
March 5, 2013 - We have released a new beta version of K9 for both Windows and OS X operating systems today. This release adds full support for Windows 8, including Windows 8 "Metro" apps.
The beta version also includes additional configuration options, improved filtering, compatibility with more Antivirus and Firewall vendors, and fixes a few bugs
Another new feature that may be of particular interest to YouTube users is a new experimental Advanced YouTube Filtering option, which allows for filtering on a video-by-video basis rather than the previous site-wide YouTube filter. For more details on this feature, read this article
Post by: chaimmayer on May 23, 2013, 08:10:45 AM
Weird.
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 23, 2013, 09:12:35 AM
Has anyone ever experienced with opendns that they have occasional lapses in their filtering. Most of the time if I click on a Facebook link it gets blocked and then every once in a while it works. Yesterday in general everything seemed to making it through and those same sites are blocked this morning.I have open dns, it never blocked fb. I don't think it's supposed to.
Weird.
Post by: chaimmayer on May 23, 2013, 10:49:04 AM
I have open dns, it never blocked fb. I don't think it's supposed to.Depends What you choose for your settings. If you have those type of social media categories checked it will block it I thought every time but maybe just sometimes I don't know.
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 23, 2013, 11:08:09 AM
Depends What you choose for your settings. If you have those type of social media categories checked it will block it I thought every time but maybe just sometimes I don't know.oh, I just have the default free version+k9
Post by: chaimmayer on May 23, 2013, 01:00:49 PM
I still don't understand why it stopped working.
Post by: aygart on May 23, 2013, 07:23:07 PM
Has anyone ever experienced with opendns that they have occasional lapses in their filtering. Most of the time if I click on a Facebook link it gets blocked and then every once in a while it works. Yesterday in general everything seemed to making it through and those same sites are blocked this morning.Do you have the ip updater installed?
Weird.
Post by: popcorn1508 on May 23, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
Post by: DovtheBear on May 23, 2013, 09:05:17 PM
Does any one have tags number in boro parkHotline-718-437-1824
Post by: popcorn1508 on May 23, 2013, 09:10:24 PM
Post by: chaimmayer on May 23, 2013, 10:50:30 PM
Do you have the ip updater installed?yes
it was filtering again this morning and now it stopped >:(
Post by: yoshyosh on May 24, 2013, 05:57:42 PM
Post by: myuser on May 30, 2013, 11:47:23 PM
any one know a filter that cant be bypassed by freegate
Like you know how to bypass K9, I don't know why I get the feeling everyone posting about a filter which cannot be bypassed easily has no clue how to bypass K9 or other similar filters.
Post by: myuser on May 30, 2013, 11:59:37 PM
Imagine you see a building what has skin color in it instead of seeing the true color you will see it in black this is an unbelievable product I can't even believe they would consider offering this as a filtering solution.
Post by: Moishel on May 31, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
Oh please! anyone who's just a bit techie can reset the K9 password in no time.
Like you know how to bypass K9, I don't know why I get the feeling everyone posting about a filter which cannot be bypassed easily has no clue how to bypass K9 or other similar filters.
Post by: myuser on May 31, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
Oh please! anyone who's just a bit techie can reset the K9 password in no time.Please go ahead and explain how to do it, please explain how you remove the latest release of K9, I also know how to talk but how to do is a different story
Post by: Moishel on May 31, 2013, 01:29:28 AM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 06, 2013, 06:53:42 PM
Almost no system lag reported yet with standard VCF. Very slight lag reported if you enable the image filter.
They're in the process of creating a more updated image filter that does a better job differentiating between colors as well.
@myuser confirmed with Livigent - Their system doesn't run through any proxy, it only updates itself with a list every couple of minutes confirming if site classifications changed.
So, doesn't seem to be that bad.
Post by: myuser on June 06, 2013, 10:59:15 PM
DH Data Recovery, instead of going back and forth you are a technician why don't you take a few minutes install it and see it yourself? I could then have a healthy debate and conversation with you, when you tell me you confirmed with Livigent that it's not a proxy you just made me laugh, can we not be so stupid for sure it's a proxy how does the product work if it's not, even K9 proxies the URLs.
Anyways please try it and then tell me how good it is.......
Post by: myuser on June 06, 2013, 11:05:17 PM
Post by: myuser on June 06, 2013, 11:15:04 PM
Meshimer filter is not just a regular Internet filter it requires installation of a custom certificate so it can have visibility to all private and secure activity.
By filtering private and secure activity they have full visibility to all secure transactions including your banking, passwords or other online transactions, they will know exactly how many bank accounts and money is available to their members see all email conversations and so on.
In America we call this a breach of privacy in simple terms this product is illegal.
This product is illegal and disgusting, they do not disclose their visibility, you are vulnerable to hacking and other dangerous aspects of the Internet.
They block everything including modifying images with skin color it's annoying, It works like a slow-moving truck, if you don't believe me try it yourself.
Time will tell, I wish them all good luck, they will be one day on the news and it's going to be disgusting like anything you had seen.
"To me this is very scary and does not sound too good"
Post by: Moshe123 on June 06, 2013, 11:27:43 PM
I just found this comment in a article on the Internet, meshimer filter is the same filter as VCF Pro filter (Powered by Livgent).
Meshimer filter is not just a regular Internet filter it requires installation of a custom certificate so it can have visibility to all private and secure activity.
By filtering private and secure activity they have full visibility to all secure transactions including your banking, passwords or other online transactions, they will know exactly how many bank accounts and money is available to their members see all email conversations and so on.
In America we call this a breach of privacy in simple terms this product is illegal.
This product is illegal and disgusting, they do not disclose their visibility, you are vulnerable to hacking and other dangerous aspects of the Internet.
They block everything including modifying images with skin color it's annoying, It works like a slow-moving truck, if you don't believe me try it yourself.
Time will tell, I wish them all good luck, they will be one day on the news and it's going to be disgusting like anything you had seen.
"To me this is very scary and does not sound too good"
You sound like you have a chip.
Do you work for a competitor?
Post by: myuser on June 06, 2013, 11:35:33 PM
You sound like you have a chip.No I used to work at B&H I am a Satmar member and at one point I volunteered by TAG if that helps you.
Do you work for a competitor?
I can't stand this whole thing, I raise my voice in the beginning in B&H as so did others, I decided to educate people as much as I could from what I learned when I was at B&H from the technicians.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 06, 2013, 11:38:51 PM
The reason why TAG is starting to use this software is for a few reasons. 1) its extremly difficult to manage the licenses for each user under k9 and very hard to update each one. If k9 crashes it usually blocks access to internet completely which makes it more difficult to configure as well. The cloud option makes it possible to make changes for the end user at any time.
I have spoken to some ppl as well and so far haven't heard any complaints that it took a while to get a response from VCF. If you know otherwise you can have the ppl send me an email and I will bring it up with them the next time I speak to VCF.
The second reason they switch from k9 is they don't feel it works that well and I will explain why. Many ppl install k9 themselves and split the password with their spouse or aquaintance figuring that will be a deterent, but since they use their email add for the license - they can get a temp password whenever they want and it thereby makes k9 useless.
With regard to the last quote - I don't believe that's true at all so his complaint is unfounded.
If you really want to see the way this filter works behind the scenes and are actually unbiased in your opinion, send me a pm and I will arrange a teamviewer session with one of architects of this filter and you can decide if you like the way it works.
Post by: myuser on June 06, 2013, 11:53:14 PM
While we were not supposed to see any modesty images the company did shootings including the following wedding http://www.bhphotovideo.com/indepth/photography/tips-solutions/here-comes-bride-wedding-photographer-andy-marcus with other such events, we all felt they are double facing us.
The people selling the Livgent products will have their workarounds for a good Internet experience the same as the technicians at B&H otherwise how could they put together this project, the others will stay to suffer the consequences as I posted above.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 06, 2013, 11:59:58 PM
I will say this - as a technician k9 is really simple to install but really difficult to maintain when the end user starts requesting changes or when starts conflicting with some antiviruses.
VCF takes more time to fully customize and setup, but much easier to maintain.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 12:02:47 AM
No I used to work at B&H I am a Satmar member and at one point I volunteered by TAG if that helps you.For a satmar member your language and writing skills are very impressive!
I can't stand this whole thing, I raise my voice in the beginning in B&H as so did others, I decided to educate people as much as I could from what I learned when I was at B&H from the technicians.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 12:04:17 AM
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 12:07:15 AM
like I said time will tell. If they provide a good service they will grow, otherwise they will end up where jnet and others went..About VCF Pro (Powered by Livgent) all I said above is true regardless the service they will give as it's a broken product and I don't think there is interest on that type of filtering to the public.
I will say this - as a technician k9 is really simple to install but really difficult to maintain when the end user starts requesting changes or when starts conflicting with some antiviruses.
VCF takes more time to fully customize and setup, but much easier to maintain.
About VCF Basic (Powered by Websense) this makes more sense as it's backed by a reliable company but they will have a very difficult argument when they will start charging money because it's easier for them to manage.
It's going to be VCF Basic (Powered by Websense) $4.95 vs K9 managed by TAG $Free.
Like you said time will tell.
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 12:08:40 AM
For a satmar member your language and writing skills are very impressive!Thanks, this is thanks to B&H.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 12:10:04 AM
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 12:19:34 AM
tag is going off k9 because its really difficult to manage, and like I said before all the people that have their own license make k9 uselessIf TAG goes with any of the above paid products most members I spoke to our planning to back out as they feel it's becoming a business, TAG will have a very hard time convincing technicians or the public that they are a nonprofit organization, they will start looking more as a business.
In the beginning people were very suspicious about all the events who is behind it and that eventually someone is going to profit from it and now they will see the organization behind it are the ones taking advantage and starting to profit.
No arguments will help them....
Post by: Baruch on June 07, 2013, 12:27:48 AM
1. You can open a gmail account just for K9, and split the password to the gmail account with your wife.
The second reason they switch from k9 is they don't feel it works that well and I will explain why. Many ppl install k9 themselves and split the password with their spouse or aquaintance figuring that will be a deterent, but since they use their email add for the license - they can get a temp password whenever they want and it thereby makes k9 useless.
2. Pretty embarrassing conversation with your wife, why the old password isn't working anymore. (The next time she needs you to type in your half to bypass something).
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 12:35:05 AM
1. You can open a gmail account just for K9, and split the password to the gmail account with your wife.old password works and temp stops working after 24hrs
2. Pretty embarrassing conversation with your wife, why the old password isn't working anymore. (The next time she needs you to type in your half to bypass something).
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 01:09:20 AM
old password works and temp stops working after 24hrsIf TAG is doing the installation they are the email and password holder so this is no argument.
Post by: popcorn1508 on June 07, 2013, 02:14:58 AM
If TAG is doing the installation they are the email and password holder so this is no argument.He wrote earlier most ppl instal it themselves and if tag is doing it they create the password also
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 10:49:41 AM
He wrote earlier most ppl instal it themselves and if tag is doing it they create the password alsoSo because most people are doing it themselves your making a argument that they will be able to convince people to purchase a paid product vs a free product that's a nice argument but a pretty stupid one why just not say any K9 not installed by TAG is not acceptable?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 11:02:01 AM
Btw did you ever try filtering with k9 for a few hundred ppl, its very difficult. Every license goes somewhere else, every time you need to login you spend 20min speaking to ppl that are very not tech savvy just to get access. Its not that easy to maintain .
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 12:33:39 PM
you can't force ppl to install by you and not themselves. The argument here is that k9 in a way is ineffective for many people because they install it themselves, therefore VCF or any other filter that is controlled by 3rd party is more beneficialThis is exactly what we are talking you cannot force people, you know very well the rabbinical authority will require a minimum filter from TAG and this will mean buying a paid product vs using K9 installed by them.
Btw did you ever try filtering with k9 for a few hundred ppl, its very difficult. Every license goes somewhere else, every time you need to login you spend 20min speaking to ppl that are very not tech savvy just to get access. Its not that easy to maintain .
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 12:50:23 PM
Post by: myuser on June 07, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
Your completely wrong in this respect. This has no connection to rabbinical authority. The reason they switched is because its easier to maintain and support, its that simple. You seem to be hellbent on making this political and that vcf doesn't work out.If we are talking about my points or political views I have nothing more to say they could do what ever they want I will be back one year from now and will see how far things have moved.
My view and points is that every person knows themselves and knows how to best protect their desire no one will stop me or anyone from anything if I don't have my own will to do so, so what will they do block my computer you know very well I will have another hard drive installed by you and do what ever I want, if I pay you to do it will you refuse? for sure not.
The reason why I am coming to TAG is for them to help protecting the password to help me force my desire but if it costs money I will tell them go flush and will have a friend or a third-party keep the password and the email on account.
Do you get it?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 07, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
My point is that if this is easier for the organizations to maintain and they feel it does a good job, they will try to implement it. If it starts causing issues and people start complaining they wont use it. I don't think this decision came from rabbanim.
Post by: Baruch on June 10, 2013, 08:43:22 PM
old password works and temp stops working after 24hrsYou can still make an email account ( e.g. K9shemira@gmail.com) with a password that you and your wife split.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 10, 2013, 10:41:59 PM
Post by: myuser on June 12, 2013, 10:33:45 PM
Some volunteers did testing and analysis and were able to easily bypass the filter by using third-party proxies including TOR.
So you will make the argument a filter is for people who look to protect themselves the same argument make with any other product including K9.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 12, 2013, 11:05:44 PM
Post by: myuser on June 12, 2013, 11:34:26 PM
Honestly we both pretty much understand the filter situation at this point, I'm not trying to push VCF on anyone or even saying that I endorse it in any way, This conversation started with someone saying VCF is a scam, my goal here was to explain why a- it's not a scam and b- there's room in our community for this filter and there are enough reasons why some people may prefer this to K9. I don't care what organization offers it or recommends it, I just understand the reason why there was a need for some people to have a more customized filter and why a filtering organization would feel more comfortable with it than K9 because of its easy maintenance and controls.Now I am with you
Post by: elikay on June 12, 2013, 11:53:34 PM
Now I am with youWhew! Finally!
Post by: DovtheBear on June 12, 2013, 11:58:29 PM
Whew! Finally!It only took ........20 pages in this thread! :P
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 13, 2013, 12:54:27 AM
Post by: DovtheBear on June 13, 2013, 09:32:06 PM
@dov this entire thread is equal to approx one days worth of your posting ;DALOL :D
Post by: drew on June 14, 2013, 10:02:18 AM
Internet FiltersI installed Net Nanny tail and did not like it so I uninstalled it, then after that Chrome and ie dont work (cant connect to internet) but ffirefox does. can there be any connection? or maybe a tot diff prob?? thanks...
4. Netnanny - www.netnanny.com -My personal favorite internet filter which provides a ton of customizable features, my favorite of which being that you can have different account logins within the same computer so that each one can have its own customized internet filtering settings. Also Netnanny allows remote access so that if you install it on your computer and a friend has the password, and a site that is OK gets blocked for some reason, you can send a request to them to unblock it and they can do that remotely. Netnanny also gives the ability to send emails whenever an attempt to go to a blocked site is made, to prevent someone from constantly "trying to test the limits" to find something that is not blocked. Netnanny does charge a $39.99 per year for one computer license or $59.98 for 3 computers, which in my opinion is a VERY reasonable price to pay to protect yourself and your family from the dangers of the internet (This is the filter that I personally use on my computer)
Feel free to post your thoughts!
Post by: Suave on June 14, 2013, 02:37:40 PM
Post by: elikay on June 14, 2013, 04:27:17 PM
Bottom line, is Venishmartem legit? worth promoting them?genukt shoin!
Post by: DovtheBear on June 14, 2013, 04:28:32 PM
genukt shoin!He just started! :P
Post by: elikay on June 14, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
He just started! :P:o
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 14, 2013, 06:07:49 PM
Post by: Suave on June 17, 2013, 01:23:21 AM
Post by: chaimmayer on June 17, 2013, 08:42:56 AM
Post by: elikay on June 17, 2013, 11:35:53 AM
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 11:43:14 AM
You are mamash a tzadik! ::)I am, now I could continue sending my kids to Satmar school without being threatened to be kicked out because I cannot survive with the Meshimer filter. I could now disable Meshimer filter when ever I need.
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 11:50:05 AM
It's actually an important question. In a month many of you may understand why.I hope I answered your question with the previous post no one is going to enforce this filter on us, do you get it?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 12:15:07 PM
The interesting question is - were you anti K9 when it was very easy to remove or do you just have an ax to grind with this filter because it annoyed you back in your B&H days.
You don't have to respond just be honest with yourself...
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 12:29:28 PM
Great. Every first generation filter will have vulnerabilities, just like K9 up to a few months ago was easily removed by stopping one or 2 services. K9 fixed that vulnerability and I'm sure so will VCF.They didn't jeopardize my kids upbringing or school with K9 they are with Livigent, threatening my kids for not having Livigent will not be tolerated.
The interesting question is - were you anti K9 when it was very easy to remove or do you just have an ax to grind with this filter because it annoyed you back in your B&H days.
You don't have to respond just be honest with yourself...
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 12:39:48 PM
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 01:05:33 PM
That's an issue you have to take up with your school. I assume you don't like optical stores either because your school threatens you with what type of glasses your kids can wear??Your you asked me a question for me to be honest with myself, so I answered we don't have to discuss every issue I have let's keep focused.
The bottom line being able to remove a product with a simple command is a joke especially when your claims are it's more difficult removing it as the current K9.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 01:09:48 PM
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 01:17:20 PM
why wasn't k9 a joke when it was even easier to remove...It's like your asking me now why wasn't the Internet a joke 20 years ago, the fact is today the Internet is a reality and K9 is a reality, if you have a new product you have to keep up with the new current standards.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 01:37:13 PM
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 01:45:33 PM
That's not what I'm saying at all. Every product has to fix its vulnerabilities after the first release, this is the reality. Just like K9 in its first few releases was very easily bypassed and now its more difficult, this one requires some fine tuning as well. We stood by K9 as a filter and installed it despite its gaping flaws in the first few years - I see no reason for this to be differentYep, you will explain this to all people who will laugh at this product.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 01:54:07 PM
Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2013, 02:01:13 PM
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
לפני עור לא תתן מכשול
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 02:06:37 PM
I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.No, because people will not believe it and this product is becoming bias look at what Satmar is doing and others are looking to follow this disease has to be stopped, I had enough when I worked at B&H Photo I don't need this to intrude my personal life and jeopardize the upbringing of my kids.
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 02:08:13 PM
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.It's no point I got this from the Internet and it looks like it's going to be all over.
לפני עור לא תתן מכשול
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 02:32:54 PM
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 02:47:22 PM
How is this jeopardizing your kids?? If you don't like it - don't use it! There were many ways to get around K9 did you go to filtering groups and tell them not to use it?? K9 was around for years and just recently fixed the flaw and you are completely behind them, and yet a dif company releases a filter for a month or two and you expose a flaw - not to the company but to the users and don't give them the same courtesy to fix it, all under the guise that this is threatening your kids??Stop crying let's talk reality this product the way it is today and with the simple way to disable it, is this a solution to recommend and for TAG to use instead of K9 again based on the situation today?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 05:21:05 PM
Post by: chaimfried on June 17, 2013, 06:04:44 PM
As the OP said, each home (jewish or not) should have an internet filter.
The conversation of wow its by passable and how easy it is to by pass, is IMHO a stupid one. Its a computer, if you installed software to do one thing you can remove that and do it another way. Or you can easily by pass it by not booting to that OS (Bootable USB anyone?).
Its trivia at most to by pass any software based filter. Publishing how to bypass is extremely important as its the only way people will be aware that its worthless.
In general there are 2 types of filters:
1. Software based (worthless).
2. Network based.
Network based filters can further be divided into 2 categories:
a. Premises based protection (open dns enforced on a router, Sonicwall, websense etc).
b. Provider based protection (jnet, yeshivanet etc).
Each of the above has its uses, (a) above is best for companies that dont want to use just one provider. Easy and quick control and the whos/whats and when.
(b) above is excellent for smaller and home based businesses.
If one wants a filter and they are a small or home based business, then using (a) above they can just bypass the physical box and plug directly into the unfiltered Internet. It is therefore probably worthless in small businesses.
The software based solutions has only one use, and that is for a user working in an environment where they will not spend money for filtering, in which case k9 or the likes should do the job.
If a filter is bypassable but how to by pass it is not published, then it ends up being a compliance paper to get your kids into school and nothing with filtering, more like a bus pass that transportation has been paid.
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 06:58:34 PM
Our conversations goes a step further where organizations are looking to enforce a particular solution claiming their product is better protected than others like the free K9, therefore making rules not to accept kids without their recommend solution.
I felt obligated to post how simple its to remove their recommend filter it's a wake-up call for them to reconsider what they are doing, stop playing with our kids and using them as a tool to enforce your new moneymaking machine called filter.
Post by: Baruch on June 17, 2013, 08:16:36 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 17, 2013, 08:38:13 PM
Your logic is really very hard to follow, it shows how you clearly have an ax to grind with this specific filter. How exactly does showing a weakness translate into a wake up call for them to stop playing with your children's lives. If you would say showing a weakness should be a wake up call for them to update and patch any vulnerabilities - I would understand you reasoning, but when you say exposing the flaws of a filter will make them reconsider creating a filter - that doesn't make any sense! By your line of reasoning anyone that ever invented anything should've stopped if it wasn't perfect on the first try
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 09:10:07 PM
I use K9, being that I am not tech savvy, it works perfect for me.I am not interested in knowing ways to bypass it. If you publish a way to bypass it, you are uninstalling the filter to my computer. If you want to take responsibility for uninstalling the filter on many not tech savvy people's computers, go ahead and publish the bypass. The ends don't always justify the means. It is irresponsible IMHO to publish filter bypasses.Baruch, I am no different then you I currently have a laptop I have K9 installed by TAG and very happy with zero issues, it would be very upsetting for someone to give me how to bypass the K9 filter it would remove the only protection I am proud and using since last years Asifa.
I really don't care about Venishmartem VCF Pro filter if people like it let it be so there are hundreds of different filtering products people are using the more products providing filtering solutions the better it is for the people like me using it.
The reason why I decided to post how to bypass the Livigent filter was because Meshimer filter which is the same family with all Livigent filter products.
As said previously I am Satmar and it's going to be mandatory to have installed the Meshimer filter you might not know too much about Livigent but as explained I used to work at B&H Photo and I know too much about this product as I explained already on previous posts, I decided to publish how simple and easy it's to bypass Livigent before the product has a chance to enter my computer by Meshimer and interfere with my personal life If they will enforce it for me and others at least we will know how to go about bypassing it.
All you people posting her are in a different position believe me I would love to be with you, therefore until now I just gave some education of the problems around Livigent and hoping organizations I love and used to volunteer TAG will not go in this direction until a better solution than K9 is available.
They sold Livigent as the unbreakable product, I found on the Internet how simple its to bypassed therefore I decided to share it with more people, I feel now Satmar considering enforcing this product will think twice they are not completely crazy and not looking to make themselves to fools.
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 09:29:17 PM
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 09:31:31 PM
Bottom line, is Venishmartem legit? worth promoting them?I hope you got the message clear today otherwise you will get the message in a month from now
Post by: elikay on June 17, 2013, 09:33:17 PM
I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.+1000,000
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
לפני עור לא תתן מכשול
No yid should ever be a mesayea ledvar aveira.
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 09:38:47 PM
+1000,000I am very proud and explain myself the 1000,000 you should use for the ones politicizing Internet filtering and for them being the mesayea ledvar aveira, I still installed more filters at TAG them all you combined.
No yid should ever be a mesayea ledvar aveira.
Post by: Steven on June 17, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
I disagree with publishing ways around filters. You can make the point just as well by writing that you can type a few letters into the command, and remove the filter.+1000
I also believe that the Moderators should black out the details of how to remove a filter.
לפני עור לא תתן מכשול
Totally unnecessary. .
Post by: myuser on June 17, 2013, 10:27:36 PM
+1000Sorry it's not a filter it's a cult
Totally unnecessary. .
Post by: LeeW on June 17, 2013, 10:49:00 PM
Post by: chaimmayer on June 18, 2013, 11:54:03 AM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 18, 2013, 12:22:01 PM
Post by: myuser on June 18, 2013, 05:37:49 PM
Just received an email from Livigent saying that this was a bug, they have since released an updated version where this vulnerability has been patched...Very good let them fix this bug until the next one becomes available, I am just curious how do they plan to update all those installations done already, they claim it's in the thousands.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 18, 2013, 07:19:30 PM
Post by: myuser on June 18, 2013, 08:18:42 PM
I assume automatic updates - just like every other program... c'mon you're smarter and better than thisI think you will agree with me on the following statement.
If it's so they can at any time update the software automatically and fix the bugs the product might have potential otherwise if they have to manually reinstall the software for every update they will have it's going to be a big failure as you know of being a technician it's not going to happen.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 18, 2013, 08:36:41 PM
This can't be some patchwork half baked program - if they want it to work, they must run it the same way we would expect any professional anti-virus type program to run. If they find a bug they need and hopefully will update and rectify it immediately,
Post by: elikay on June 18, 2013, 10:13:19 PM
I think you will agree with me on the following statement.
If it's so they can at any time update the software automatically and fix the bugs the product might have potential otherwise if they have to manually reinstall the software for every update they will have it's going to be a big failure as you know of being a technician it's not going to happen.
and therefore... (never mind, I don't really want to hear another rant of yours ::) )
Post by: myuser on June 18, 2013, 10:47:26 PM
and therefore... (never mind, I don't really want to hear another rant of yours ::) )And therefore!! Keep talking like a looser, I didn't talk to you I spoke to DH Data Recovery and go elsewhere if you don't like it.
Post by: chaimfried on June 19, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
I use K9, being that I am not tech savvy, it works perfect for me.I am not interested in knowing ways to bypass it. If you publish a way to bypass it, you are uninstalling the filter to my computer. If you want to take responsibility for uninstalling the filter on many not tech savvy people's computers, go ahead and publish the bypass. The ends don't always justify the means. It is irresponsible IMHO to publish filter bypasses.
No it does NOT work perfectly for you as you have UNFILTERED internet, you do have an operating system on your computer that is filtered as long as I don't tell you how to remove it, or as long as you don't reinstall the OS, or as long as you don't boot that same computer to a different OS (live cd, usb etc).
It is very responsible to publish how to bypass it, as it will make you aware that you have unfiltered internet, since for some reason you are too dumb to understand that otherwise.
Post by: chaimfried on June 19, 2013, 05:11:36 PM
chaimfried, I am with you I have no disagreement a filter should be placed on every computer or on any device connecting to the Internet.
Our conversations goes a step further where organizations are looking to enforce a particular solution claiming their product is better protected than others like the free K9, therefore making rules not to accept kids without their recommend solution.
I felt obligated to post how simple its to remove their recommend filter it's a wake-up call for them to reconsider what they are doing, stop playing with our kids and using them as a tool to enforce your new moneymaking machine called filter.
The reason for that is as follows, for one minute think about filtering in 2 steps:
1. Program that enforces the filter.
2. The filtering technology employed.
The program (1 above) is the same garbage - k9 or any other - the filtering OTOH (2 above) Meshimer promises filtering beyond any place any other filter has ever gone. Thats why (I think) the mosdos want that one.
I just have a different issue with all this, if one passes their driving test it doesn't mean they wont kill someone with their car. If you allow unfiltered internet in a house, how on earth is that good enough just because they once installed a filter?
Post by: chaimfried on June 19, 2013, 05:15:22 PM
+1000,000
No yid should ever be a mesayea ledvar aveira.
Only problem is that if YOU got yourself UNFILTERED internet I'm not the mesayea ledvar aveira.
Post by: chaimfried on June 19, 2013, 05:18:39 PM
Just received an email from Livigent saying that this was a bug, they have since released an updated version where this vulnerability has been patched...
Blah, blah, blah.
I already told them how to bypass that one too.
Point is its always bypassable AND if you use a software filter you ALWAYS have unfiltered internet at home/office.
Post by: hocker on June 19, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
And therefore!! Keep talking like a looser, I didn't talk to you I spoke to DH Data Recovery and go elsewhere if you don't like it.Did you have a rough childhood?
#JustWondering
Post by: myuser on June 19, 2013, 06:40:18 PM
The reason for that is as follows, for one minute think about filtering in 2 steps:I am asking the same questions what is a filter software worth if the physical location is open with no restrictions I could connect any other device, disable the filtering software, boot up with multiple operating systems use USB drives and so on.
1. Program that enforces the filter.
2. The filtering technology employed.
The program (1 above) is the same garbage - k9 or any other - the filtering OTOH (2 above) Meshimer promises filtering beyond any place any other filter has ever gone. Thats why (I think) the mosdos want that one.
I just have a different issue with all this, if one passes their driving test it doesn't mean they wont kill someone with their car. If you allow unfiltered internet in a house, how on earth is that good enough just because they once installed a filter?
They are all continuing fooling themselves a software solution will always have the ability to be disabled no matter how you call it.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 19, 2013, 06:46:15 PM
Blah, blah, blah.The point of a filter is to filter not to paralyze. There's a way around everything! Hardware filters, software filters everything! If someone really wants he will get himself another unfiltered device or a million other tricks. The point of a filter is A. Protect your family from accidentally getting to the wrong place. B. Protect yourself as much as possible in your moments of weakness etc.
I already told them how to bypass that one too.
Point is its always bypassable AND if you use a software filter you ALWAYS have unfiltered internet at home/office.
This conversation started off regarding a specific filter and we discussed and addressed most of it.
@chaimfried I'm completely confused as to what your saying, are you saying no filters? are you saying that since they can be bypassed by someone with enough skill its entirely worthless? That's the equivalent of telling me not to use a firewall because it can still be hacked!
Post by: smurf on June 19, 2013, 06:58:19 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 19, 2013, 06:59:25 PM
Post by: myuser on June 19, 2013, 07:01:19 PM
Post by: myuser on June 19, 2013, 07:08:11 PM
Any useful info in this thread? Would like to know what options are compatible with win8?According to TAG it's not permissible to have Windows 8 in the name of Bal Shevet HaLevi until further notice.
Post by: elikay on June 19, 2013, 07:42:32 PM
All those who know you (I do) know, that you are a mad computer whiz/hacker since you were in diapers. I doubt anyone can make a filter that you can't get around. And for the record I once heard regarding a certain product that if it took you five minutes to figure it out then it must be an excellent product :)
Post by: DovtheBear on June 19, 2013, 08:26:25 PM
Any useful info in this thread?Not in the last 30+ pages. ::)
Post by: chaimmayer on June 19, 2013, 09:12:17 PM
Can you stop talking like an idiot and asking those dumb questions, I'm asking a realistic questions, if a filter can be disabled with a single command and knowing the software cannot automatically be patched and updated, is this is solution? Is this the replacement to K9? Can you tell me exactly the advantages one by one of the following products, Meshimer filter, Venishmartem VCF Pro filter or any other Livigent filter.Who exactly are you preaching to? Does the הנהלה of your children's school read ddf? ???
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 19, 2013, 09:21:09 PM
Post by: myuser on June 19, 2013, 10:26:16 PM
Who exactly are you preaching to? Does the הנהלה of your children's school read ddf? ???Yes, Mershimer and Vaad Mishmeres are both organizations of Satmar Rebbe Rabbi Zalman Leib Teitelbaum, they impose the rules, I know for a fact they are monitoring closely this website and the website I got the info on how to disable the filter.
Just like everyone else they are shocked and surprised how simple the filter can be disabled and re-enabled without leaving any tracks at a time this was supposed to be the unbreakable filter, internally they call it the Black Friday.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 19, 2013, 10:31:50 PM
Post by: myuser on June 19, 2013, 10:37:31 PM
@myuser - your point should be discussed with your childrens schools. The fact that your childrens school required a certain filter shouldn't put them at fault. Its a separate issue entirely - imagine you would tell me that all regular glasses are worse quality than plastic glasses because your school doesn't let your kids wear them.It's okay, we have work to do we need to monitor if they will update the software automatically and apply patches or the whole situation is a joke, let's give it a few weeks enough time for action.
I have no problem with a school for my kids I will install any filter they want it will be part of my tuition.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 19, 2013, 10:44:22 PM
ETA: actually for cheaper ;)
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2013, 10:44:59 PM
No it does NOT work perfectly for you as you have UNFILTERED internet, you do have an operating system on your computer that is filtered as long as I don't tell you how to remove it, or as long as you don't reinstall the OS, or as long as you don't boot that same computer to a different OS (live cd, usb etc).If I'm too dumb to understand how to bypass my filter, my internet is still filtered.
It is very responsible to publish how to bypass it, as it will make you aware that you have unfiltered internet, since for some reason you are too dumb to understand that otherwise.
I also can go to my local grocer and by a mag, I don't have to download an OS on a USB. ::)
The point of a filter is that one should not to fall in a weak moment. One who is obsessed with seeing bad stuff, nothing will stop him.
Post by: chaimfried on June 20, 2013, 02:21:58 PM
The point of a filter is to filter not to paralyze. There's a way around everything! Hardware filters, software filters everything! If someone really wants he will get himself another unfiltered device or a million other tricks. The point of a filter is A. Protect your family from accidentally getting to the wrong place. B. Protect yourself as much as possible in your moments of weakness etc.
This conversation started off regarding a specific filter and we discussed and addressed most of it.
@chaimfried I'm completely confused as to what your saying, are you saying no filters? are you saying that since they can be bypassed by someone with enough skill its entirely worthless? That's the equivalent of telling me not to use a firewall because it can still be hacked!
Is the point also to allow people to get unfiltered internet?
You are still missing the point, a software filter means the Internet is NOT filtered. Period. End of discussion.
How many devices can now connect to the internet other than a computer?
Post by: chaimfried on June 20, 2013, 02:25:29 PM
The point of a filter is to filter not to paralyze. There's a way around everything! Hardware filters, software filters everything! If someone really wants he will get himself another unfiltered device or a million other tricks. The point of a filter is A. Protect your family from accidentally getting to the wrong place. B. Protect yourself as much as possible in your moments of weakness etc.
This conversation started off regarding a specific filter and we discussed and addressed most of it.
@chaimfried I'm completely confused as to what your saying, are you saying no filters? are you saying that since they can be bypassed by someone with enough skill its entirely worthless? That's the equivalent of telling me not to use a firewall because it can still be hacked!
I'm saying software filters are useless, since the line is not filtered. Please refer to my original post.
BTW, it does not take skill to bypass a software filter. Get another device or another OS and you bypassed it.
Post by: chaimfried on June 20, 2013, 02:27:58 PM
@chaimfried
All those who know you (I do) know, that you are a mad computer whiz/hacker since you were in diapers. I doubt anyone can make a filter that you can't get around. And for the record I once heard regarding a certain product that if it took you five minutes to figure it out then it must be an excellent product :)
Ouch, so with this the physical Internet is now filtered?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 20, 2013, 02:28:43 PM
Hardware has as many flaws as software does!
Post by: chaimfried on June 20, 2013, 02:31:13 PM
If I'm too dumb to understand how to bypass my filter, my internet is still filtered.
I also can go to my local grocer and by a mag, I don't have to download an OS on a USB. ::)
The point of a filter is that one should not to fall in a weak moment. One who is obsessed with seeing bad stuff, nothing will stop him.
Like I said too dumb.
Your Internet (not your computer) is still unfiltered.
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2013, 02:41:38 PM
Like I said too dumb.If I have no clue (because I'm dumb) how to bypass my filter, my computer and internet are filtered for me. If you don't understand that maybe you're dumb. I'm just not used to calling people dumb (I graduated 2nd grade) . I try to win an argument on the strength of the argument, not by calling people dumb.
Your Internet (not your computer) is still unfiltered.
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 01:19:40 PM
It doesn't either take skill to bypass a hardware filter - get another device! use any old phone and connect to any open wireless network!
Hardware has as many flaws as software does!
Yes and no.
The actual bypass is easy, plug out plug in. However, not every environment allows for that, if you run a server and have a full network, you cant really do it. As you are going to mess up the whole network.
In smaller environments you are right. But as said before, your line - as long as your hardware filters is plugged in - is filtered.
While the ease of removing it with hardware is an issue, the fact that a software filter doesn't filter the line at all is a way bigger issue. Since the ignorant user (read; more than 90%) thinks he has a filter (look they accepted his kids and he has a meshimer certificate, so how can you say its not filtered). When in fact he doesn't have a filter. Ipod, iPhones, laptops, playstations, a borrowed laptop. They can all now connect via his unfiltered internet because his permanent computer now has a software filter.
My original post also mentioned provider based filters. In cases where the network environment is not that much controlled (small office/home based office) a device based filter doesn't work either (this is specifically the case, where the user thinks he might bypass it for a small office, and for ANY home) and such a user must then take a provider based filter.
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 01:28:58 PM
If I have no clue (because I'm dumb) how to bypass my filter, my computer and internet are filtered for me. If you don't understand that maybe you're dumb. I'm just not used to calling people dumb (I graduated 2nd grade) . I try to win an argument on the strength of the argument, not by calling people dumb.
Again you are too dumb. But I'll try to explain it anyhow.
You are still busy with your computer, because you are too dumb:
* To understand that a computer is not the only device that uses internet
* To realize that your Internet is NOT filtered when you have a filter on your computer.
* To know that your kids/workers are smarter than you and you shouldn't have unfiltered internet at home or work. Period.
* To understand the argument is not about how dumb you are and therefore the internet is filtered, but about the fact that your internet is not filtered regardless if you understand it or not.
* To understand that I win this argument regardless if I call you dumb or not because you ARE dumb, not because I called you dumb.
* To understand that by repeating your same stupidity (my computer is filtered hence my internet is filtered, I don't know how to bypass it, hence its filtered blah blah blah) you don't present an argument.
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2013, 03:20:25 PM
Again you are too dumb. But I'll try to explain it anyhow.If you wouldn't have sprinkled your comments with so many insults, I would have read them carefully to see if they have any content.
You are still busy with your computer, because you are too dumb:
* To understand that a computer is not the only device that uses internet
* To realize that your Internet is NOT filtered when you have a filter on your computer.
* To know that your kids/workers are smarter than you and you shouldn't have unfiltered internet at home or work. Period.
* To understand the argument is not about how dumb you are and therefore the internet is filtered, but about the fact that your internet is not filtered regardless if you understand it or not.
* To understand that I win this argument regardless if I call you dumb or not because you ARE dumb, not because I called you dumb.
* To understand that by repeating your same stupidity (my computer is filtered hence my internet is filtered, I don't know how to bypass it, hence its filtered blah blah blah) you don't present an argument.
I understand that my internet is not filtered if I get a different device. But I can also go buy a mag. In fact I could not install a filter in the first place on my original computer.
I don't have children of age to get a device.
Therefore if someone publishes a way around my filter, he took away the filter which protects me from falling in a bad moment.
Stop calling people dumb, it makes you look foolish.
Understanding tech doesn't equal understanding people. In fact techies have a reputation of not being socially intelligent. I'm not saying that's true. But you're definitely strengthening that stereotype. So from this dummy to you - the geek I say - please don't publish ways around filters.
Listen to Elikay - he understands tech and people.
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 03:59:57 PM
If you wouldn't have sprinkled your comments with so many insults, I would have read them carefully to see if they have any content.
I understand that my internet is not filtered if I get a different device. But I can also go buy a mag. In fact I could not install a filter in the first place on my original computer.
I don't have children of age to get a device.
Therefore if someone publishes a way around my filter, he took away the filter which protects me from falling in a bad moment.
Stop calling people dumb, it makes you look foolish.
Understanding tech doesn't equal understanding people. In fact techies have a reputation of not being socially intelligent. I'm not saying that's true. But you're definitely strengthening that stereotype. So from this dummy to you - the geek I say - please don't publish ways around filters.
Listen to Elikay - he understands tech and people.
I have to admit cute post.
That said, while you mention valid points why you think your line doesn't have to be filtered because you don't have kids of age etc. You still have an unfiltered line at home.
You might not see it as an issue, but those that want to impose the filter on you do see it as an issue and their lack of understanding what they are doing is the issue here.
As for why I would publish how to bypass (btw, I didn't yet on this one, even though I have a simple way to bypass it, but I did for Nativ). Since those that release it claim its not possible to bypass and the fact that some techies can bypass means nothing. It is therefore important to publish it so that the claim of non techies is wrong.
There's no way of telling who's 9 year old is a techie that knows how to bypass it.
Post by: elikay on June 21, 2013, 04:06:51 PM
As for why I would publish how to bypass...I doubt בי"ד ש"מ will go for that :'( there are much better ways to accomplish things...
Post by: elikay on June 21, 2013, 04:07:36 PM
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2013, 04:09:45 PM
I have to admit cute post.If you walk into one of the Satmar Rebbes and show him how easy it is to bypass the filters he recommends, you'll get much more done, then by explaining how to bypass it on DDF and possibly cause people to fall Lesheol Tachtis.
That said, while you mention valid points why you think your line doesn't have to be filtered because you don't have kids of age etc. You still have an unfiltered line at home.
You might not see it as an issue, but those that want to impose the filter on you do see it as an issue and their lack of understanding what they are doing is the issue here.
As for why I would publish how to bypass (btw, I didn't yet on this one, even though I have a simple way to bypass it, but I did for Nativ). Since those that release it claim its not possible to bypass and the fact that some techies can bypass means nothing. It is therefore important to publish it so that the claim of non techies is wrong.
There's no way of telling who's 9 year old is a techie that knows how to bypass it.
I'm not saying it's easy to just walk into the Satmer Rebbe, but where there's a will there's a way.
I support everything you are saying, I just don't agree with causing people to sin.
If it's true what Elikay says about you, I believe you have an Achrayus to expose bad filtering - BUT in a responsible manner.
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 04:10:05 PM
I doubt בי"ד ש"מ will go for that :'( there are much better ways to accomplish things...
I don't get this
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 04:11:05 PM
And I would not let my 9 year old use internet unsupervised, period.It would be too late. He might bring a DS into your house that he borrowed from a neighbor.
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 04:12:29 PM
If you walk into one of the Satmar Rebbes and show him how easy it is to bypass the filters he recommends, you'll get much more done, then by explaining how to bypass it on DDF and possibly cause people to fall Lesheol Tachtis.
Posibbly, but I don't have the time for that.
Post by: Baruch on June 21, 2013, 04:15:11 PM
Posibbly, but I don't have the time for that.If you care about it enough, that you think you can basically lay out on a public forum how to watch shmutz, to eager teenagers ......
I think you can get yourself over to Willie ....
Post by: elikay on June 21, 2013, 04:34:41 PM
Posibbly, but I don't have the time for that.wow
Post by: george on June 21, 2013, 04:46:13 PM
@chaimfried
You are both utterly irresponsible for even thinking about posting bypasses for filters that many users here currently have installed. Your agenda is noble; your actions are unspeakably stupid. I agree with your points that software filters are not a good enough solution etc. But what the heck do you think you are doing posting how to bypass? Worse, you won't admit you're wrong when other members here point it out!
Please, don't just post anything and everything that comes to your head. G-d supplied us all with a brain to *filter* what we should keep in our brain and what we should communicate to others. And that's a hardware filter! But apparently not flawless either :P
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 05:10:43 PM
If you care about it enough, that you think you can basically lay out on a public forum how to watch shmutz, to eager teenagers ......
I think you can get yourself over to Willie ....
Nope, that you did by getting unfiltered Internet.
I care enough therefore I think it should be published.
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 05:15:52 PM
@myuser
@chaimfried
You are both utterly irresponsible for even thinking about posting bypasses for filters that many users here currently have installed. Your agenda is noble; your actions are unspeakably stupid. I agree with your points that software filters are not a good enough solution etc. But what the heck do you think you are doing posting how to bypass? Worse, you won't admit you're wrong when other members here point it out!
Please, don't just post anything and everything that comes to your head. G-d supplied us all with a brain to *filter* what we should keep in our brain and what we should communicate to others. And that's a hardware filter! But apparently not flawless either :P
Blah blah blah.
You get yourself unfiltered Internet and because I'm the one that "safely" publishes how to bypass I'm wrong. Only because your kids might find out on their "own" if I don't publish it.
Irresponsibble is you as a father/boss that gets unfiltered internet.
Problem is you don't understand how it works. But you for some reason don't want to understand your kids/workers might understnad and they will one day bypass it.
Stop getting unfiltered internet and stop blaming the lock. Start blaming the ganev. In this case the one that has unfiltered Internet.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 21, 2013, 06:26:58 PM
There's a place for both of them, for any home environment its easier, more secure, and more probable to implement a software filter over a hardware filter. Yes a hardware filter has many benefits and is more secure - but it leaves much open which needs to be filled in with a software filter.
Nothing is completely filtered, but at least a 75% filter is better than no filter!
Post by: elikay on June 21, 2013, 07:08:40 PM
I seriously don't understand why you are all so excited about a hardware filter for a home user vs software filter. Hardware filter leaves you with an unfiltered laptop! Its easier to find an open wifi hotspot than it is to bypass the software filter most of the time!+100
There's a place for both of them, for any home environment its easier, more secure, and more probable to implement a software filter over a hardware filter. Yes a hardware filter has many benefits and is more secure - but it leaves much open which needs to be filled in with a software filter.
Nothing is completely filtered, but at least a 75% filter is better than no filter!
Post by: chaimfried on June 21, 2013, 07:58:12 PM
I seriously don't understand why you are all so excited about a hardware filter for a home user vs software filter. Hardware filter leaves you with an unfiltered laptop! Its easier to find an open wifi hotspot than it is to bypass the software filter most of the time!Git shabos. Answer after shabos.
There's a place for both of them, for any home environment its easier, more secure, and more probable to implement a software filter over a hardware filter. Yes a hardware filter has many benefits and is more secure - but it leaves much open which needs to be filled in with a software filter.
Nothing is completely filtered, but at least a 75% filter is better than no filter!
Post by: chaimfried on June 22, 2013, 10:58:41 PM
I seriously don't understand why you are all so excited about a hardware filter for a home user vs software filter. Hardware filter leaves you with an unfiltered laptop! Its easier to find an open wifi hotspot than it is to bypass the software filter most of the time!
There's a place for both of them, for any home environment its easier, more secure, and more probable to implement a software filter over a hardware filter. Yes a hardware filter has many benefits and is more secure - but it leaves much open which needs to be filled in with a software filter.
Nothing is completely filtered, but at least a 75% filter is better than no filter!
Because of laptops let's all get unfiltered internet.
Agreed on the nothing is completely filtered. For scenerios like this you are right a software filter is also needed. But in no way can a software filter be a filter for an unfiltered line.
Yes there's a place for all of them, but don't justify or worse push getting unfiltered internet.
My point is, software only is never a solution.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 22, 2013, 11:40:24 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 22, 2013, 11:46:53 PM
Hardware filters on the other hand filter the location mostly and not the device! Move locations and you're completely without any filter whatsoever! So please tell me why you think hardware is a better solution in most home environments, which is exactly where most of these software filters are implemented.
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2013, 12:53:06 AM
@chaimfried - get a conscience. Now that you figured out the ins and outs of tech - take a break and start learning some sifrei yiraah.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 08:54:05 AM
But neither is hardware only, and while I'm not saying don't get a hardware filter you seem to be saying don't get a software filter at all. That's what I'm having trouble understanding.
I never implied that, in fact my original post had outlined when a software filter is good. You broguht up another reason (a laptop).
My problem is when a software filter is considered a solution and as such one gets an unfiltered line.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 08:57:21 AM
As a matter of fact in many ways hardware filters are more "unfiltered" than software filters are, especially for the common man. For most ppl k9 or many other solutions are a completely adequate filter for them and they will likely never know how to bypass it (unless someone with a chip on his shoulder decides that the right thing to do is to educate the world in how to bypass filters).
Hardware filters on the other hand filter the location mostly and not the device! Move locations and you're completely without any filter whatsoever! So please tell me why you think hardware is a better solution in most home environments, which is exactly where most of these software filters are implemented.
This has been answered.
Just to clarify. The simplicity of bypassing the filter while an issue is not what I'm talking about, its the fact that the line is not filtered.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
If everyone agrees that even with a hardware filter one can go to a public wifi spot and look at kal davar asur. Then publishing ways to bypass software filters is helping someone use a flitered laptop by a public wifi look at shmutz.
@chaimfried - get a conscience. Now that you figured out the ins and outs of tech - take a break and start learning some sifrei yiraah.
Wow this is nice, by you things are settled. All that's left is for me to get sifrei yirah.
Have you filtered your internet yet?
Do you have a computer at home?
Do you have any device at home that can connect to the internet?
Post by: george on June 23, 2013, 09:07:22 AM
Your whole point is that software filters are not adequate and people need to install hardware filters as well. Now, a hardware filter without a software filter is not adequate either because the device can connect to an unfiltered internet source at a different location. So please explain to me how you can go ahead and publish ways to bypass software filters if software filters are clearly necessary as part of internet safety. If you say "blah blah blah" to this question, you clearly do not care at all about protecting people from the internet and all your brain can focus on is your agenda against livigent etc.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 10:28:29 AM
Chaimfried on the other hand has a completely different opinion. His view is that any software filter isn't really filtering, therefore k9 or vcf are equally unfiltered.
The problem with both of your theories is you're blinded by your agendas. You fail to recognize that for most people software filter is all the will or can get and this is their entire protection. Obviously it isn't 100% or even 80% effective, but its 100% more they had before and for most people it accomplishes everything they need. There's no excuse to destroy that 80% for the sake of the 20% that either have the tech knowledge to bypass any filter or have the need to bypass any filter. for them, software or hardware are equally useless anyway!
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 10:44:21 AM
You keep repeating the same thing over and over and it still doesn't make sense. You're spearheading a campaign of accountability while you go and do the most unaccountable and irresponsible thing. There's no question in anyone's mind that you have an agenda to try to destroy VCF. Even when they tell you they're working on or have already repaired this vulnerability you still try to continue your personal agenda against them all in the name of "accountability". I'm sure Chaimfried can bypass K9 filter pretty fast as well, but you wouldn't try to release the workaround for that because you have a blatant agenda.
Chaimfried on the other hand has a completely different opinion. His view is that any software filter isn't really filtering, therefore k9 or vcf are equally unfiltered.
The problem with both of your theories is you're blinded by your agendas. You fail to recognize that for most people software filter is all the will or can get and this is their entire protection. Obviously it isn't 100% or even 80% effective, but its 100% more they had before and for most people it accomplishes everything they need. There's no excuse to destroy that 80% for the sake of the 20% that either have the tech knowledge to bypass any filter or have the need to bypass any filter. for them, software or hardware are equally useless anyway!
Stop claiming I have an agenda. I have no agenda at all against any one gilter other than educating that a software filter is useless for (un)filtered Internet.
And no there's very few times when a software filter is a solution for an unfiltered internet - one exception is where one works in an environment where the boss won't spend money on filtering - that said as part of that education agenda I'm willing to publish how to bypass a software filter and that's to prove that your internet is unfiltered since ppl have a hard time understanding it.
Take Baruch as an example, in his own words its good for him because he doesn't know how to bypass it. Once he knows how to bypass it. He knows he is not filtered. But he won't know that until he knows how to bypass it. We ALL know that his Internet is NOT filtered but he has a block in his brain and won't admit it unless how to bypass it is published.
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 10:58:09 AM
At least the public will know and stay away from there products for now.
Post by: george on June 23, 2013, 10:59:17 AM
Stop claiming I have an agenda. I have no agenda at all against any one gilter other than educating that a software filter is useless for (un)filtered InternetThink. Please.
If you would go to every "Baruch"s house and install a hardware filter and THEN educate them about how useless their software filter is by exposing the bypass, fine, if that makes you feel good. But just to teach them the bypass without making sure they have hardware filter in place is reckless, irresponsible and selfish.
If you did have an agenda, at least there would be some semblance of rationale (albeit utterly wrong and harmful) to your wanting to teach everyone the bypasses. But now that you say you have no agenda and you only care that people should be educated about filters and what works and what doesn't, you come across as totally brainless.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 11:16:38 AM
Think. Please.
If you would go to every "Baruch"s house and install a hardware filter and THEN educate them about how useless their software filter is by exposing the bypass, fine, if that makes you feel good. But just to teach them the bypass without making sure they have hardware filter in place is reckless, irresponsible and selfish.
If you did have an agenda, at least there would be some semblance of rationale (albeit utterly wrong and harmful) to your wanting to teach everyone the bypasses. But now that you say you have no agenda and you only care that people should be educated about filters and what works and what doesn't, you come across as totally brainless.
Brainless indeed.
Post by: george on June 23, 2013, 11:22:04 AM
Brainless indeed.Thought so. When did it fall out?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 11:22:54 AM
Most people aren't trying to get around the filter, and software filters are perfect for them. hardware filters aren't!
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 11:27:03 AM
@chaim fried - right now who is more at risk? A person with a hardware filter that can logon to a different wifi hotspot or use a dif device, or a software filter thats 80% filtered unless someone recklessly teaches them how to get around it!Why not use both?
Most people aren't trying to get around the filter, and software filters are perfect for them. hardware filters aren't!
Post by: elikay on June 23, 2013, 11:31:16 AM
Why have we reached so low?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 11:31:48 AM
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 11:38:15 AM
Great idea, so how about instead of telling people software filters are worthless, tell them you need both equally!It's the only way people understand it's called awareness
Post by: george on June 23, 2013, 11:39:54 AM
It's the only way people understand it's called awarenessNo, it's called idiocy.
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 11:47:40 AM
No, it's called idiocy.My idiocy got you to read, respond and be more educated and now thinking of a hardware software combined solution.
Post by: kracked dude on June 23, 2013, 11:48:37 AM
Wow! I am amazed how this thread has evolved from helping people filter their internet, to helping people get around their filter. Want to know how to bypass your filter? No problem! DDF has got a whole thread on it! Is this the type of publicity we want? That two idiots should sit here posting all the holes in filters? I beg for a cleanup of this thread. All those who don't care about others can go to other blogs to post.+100 Mods please clean this thread up! Its not worth one נשמע! All you need is one bachur/kid who has access to DDF and we can ruin his life. Yes the ways of getting around filters might seem simple and well know to you, but not to everyone. its just not worth the risk.
Why have we reached so low?
PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE
Post by: Dan on June 23, 2013, 11:49:27 AM
I don't have time to keep up with this thread.
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 11:59:37 AM
+100 Mods please clean this thread up! Its not worth one נשמע! All you need is one bachur/kid who has access to DDF and we can ruin his life. Yes the ways of getting around filters might seem simple and well know to you, but not to everyone. its just not worth the risk.I worked at TAG you have no idea what you're saying, do you know the heartbroken stores from people after their kids found their way around those products it wasn't DDF it was those nonsense filter products and people being dumb.
PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
If there are specific posts you want deleted please use the RTM button.People don't always agree so we are arguing on DDF don't let them use you for their argument this chat got so popular for a reason, people are looking for the truth.
I don't have time to keep up with this thread.
Don't worry Meshimer anyways blocks DDF
Post by: Dan on June 23, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 12:27:49 PM
PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLEWho is not responsible them for knowingly selling faulty filtering products or me educating you about it.
Post by: Centro on June 23, 2013, 12:55:25 PM
Mr Myuser with my full respect to you, what exactly is bothering you?
Basically what our communities did the past few months was establishing a new filter which will suit the needs of our comunity, putting together a database to be able to serve our needs.
There was no program in history which was released functioning 100% with no bugs and loopholes or so, this it the way you build something,
Eventually these new released filters will be much more suitable for us then K9 and the other filter out there, so if this is what it takes to get there then this is what will be done to get there.
If what you're saying is that you know the way around the filter ( I read it somewhere in this thread, not sure who wrote it ) then you just got the wrong idea what filters are here for,
If somebody wants to access shmutz then there's no way to stop him, if it's not on his phone he'll get it on an other device,
If it's not on a device he'll get it in any other form or place etc., so there's no such a thing as "shmutz proofing" a person,
so we try the best, our IT's are there updating the filters and one day we will have strong filters which will work at it's best and serve our needs,
And as I wrote, if it takes what it takes then we have to go through it.
So we shouldn't do it cause there are bumps on the way?
Come on sir, don't act silly!!
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 01:07:22 PM
Truth is hardware or software filters are both just to help ppl. There's still a gaping hole left to exploit even if you have hardware + software! A bootable OS in a unsecured wifi hotspot or mifi device and you bypass all filters!
We try to help as much as possible by giving ppl the proper tools to help themselves. Giving ppl the keys to bypass these doesn't do anyone any good!
Post by: kracked dude on June 23, 2013, 01:13:00 PM
Giving ppl the keys to bypass these doesn't do anyone any good!Well said!
If someone finds out from this thread that his filter is worthless it opens up in his mind the option to bypass the filter and access all the shmutz he wants. Whereas previously he thought he had no access and therefore much less of a tayva.
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 01:23:16 PM
I was going through this thread reading every other post and I was very annoyed and just couldn't resist.First fix the bumps SSL you created with Jnet from day one then you will have credibility with the new product.
Mr Myuser with my full respect to you, what exactly is bothering you?
Basically what our communities did the past few months was establishing a new filter which will suit the needs of our comunity, putting together a database to be able to serve our needs.
There was no program in history which was released functioning 100% with no bugs and loopholes or so, this it the way you build something,
Eventually these new released filters will be much more suitable for us then K9 and the other filter out there, so if this is what it takes to get there then this is what will be done to get there.
If what you're saying is that you know the way around the filter ( I read it somewhere in this thread, not sure who wrote it ) then you just got the wrong idea what filters are here for,
If somebody wants to access shmutz then there's no way to stop him, if it's not on his phone he'll get it on an other device,
If it's not on a device he'll get it in any other form or place etc., so there's no such a thing as "shmutz proofing" a person,
so we try the best, our IT's are there updating the filters and one day we will have strong filters which will work at it's best and serve our needs,
And as I wrote, if it takes what it takes then we have to go through it.
So we shouldn't do it cause there are bumps on the way?
Come on sir, don't act silly!!
We are waiting to see when this bump in the new product will be fixed I believe it will be like your first filter and now it's up to you to prove it.
As I post before Livigent is missgiding and has a pruvin record.
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 01:36:57 PM
Well said!Let them find out now and change to something good and not at a soft moment or after the fact there kids got around
If someone finds out from this thread that his filter is worthless it opens up in his mind the option to bypass the filter and access all the shmutz he wants. Whereas previously he thought he had no access and therefore much less of a tayva.
This product is new and no one is still using it as it has many other biger problems then disabling this stupid filter so exposing it now is acceptable by all arguments
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 01:39:10 PM
@myuser, your argument keeps changing. First it was no livigent but get k9. Then it was no software filter at all - not livigent or k9, only get hardware filters. Then it was hardware plus software because hardware by itself isn't enough and software isn't completely worthless. Then its hardware + software but you will tell us how to crack the software filter so that we can be responsible. Now its back to plain and simple anything but livigent because you want to help protect ppl from........
Truth is hardware or software filters are both just to help ppl. There's still a gaping hole left to exploit even if you have hardware + software! A bootable OS in a unsecured wifi hotspot or mifi device and you bypass all filters!
We try to help as much as possible by giving ppl the proper tools to help themselves. Giving ppl the keys to bypass these doesn't do anyone any good!
You are mixing up my arguments with someone else I happen to agree with
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 01:50:17 PM
@chaim fried - right now who is more at risk? A person with a hardware filter that can logon to a different wifi hotspot or use a dif device, or a software filter thats 80% filtered unless someone recklessly teaches them how to get around it!
Most people aren't trying to get around the filter, and software filters are perfect for them. hardware filters aren't!
Let's go in circles. Love'em
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 01:54:27 PM
+100 Mods please clean this thread up! Its not worth one נשמע! All you need is one bachur/kid who has access to DDF and we can ruin his life. Yes the ways of getting around filters might seem simple and well know to you, but not to everyone. its just not worth the risk.
PLEASE BE RESPONSIBLE
Wow, what a great post. But חס ויחלילה to get your internet filtered.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 02:05:35 PM
More people today have laptops than computers in the home user environment, a hardware filter = NO Filter at all! Definitely less than the weakest software filter!
Post by: elikay on June 23, 2013, 02:07:19 PM
As I post before Livigent is missgiding and has a pruvin record.Looks like you found a way around your spell check ;D;D
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 02:19:10 PM
You keep avoiding the problem with your argument, you're fighting against software filters and carrying the torch for hardware filters. Hardware filters are less of a filter than software filters in most cases. You're obviously used to dealing with companies where hardware helps because nobody is moving the systems anywhere. In the home environment thats not true.As @chaimfried said keep your internet unfiltered I guess it will become a problem when if Livigent has something for the network the fact is it's open internet
More people today have laptops than computers in the home user environment, a hardware filter = NO Filter at all! Definitely less than the weakest software filter!
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 02:25:33 PM
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 02:45:33 PM
@myuser you have a long history here of trying to twist questions around and avoiding answering them directly and properly. This has always been the way of the wrong party - or the confused party - tries to argue. It's a real shame because in parts of this long overdrawn conversation you come off sounding intelligent, but in other parts its as if you know you can't give a sufficient argument and you give up. It's really comes off very desparate.I left off with you that we are going to wait a few weeks to see if updates with Livigent software can be done automatically.
I think I answered all your questions maybe on some we dressage
@chaimfried is bringing out a new point about not addressing open internet I said its a strong argument and I see why both are needed hardware and software, I am asking why not do both
This goes to TAG why are they only installing K9 software and not some hardware at least let the person know it's recommend both
Post by: kracked dude on June 23, 2013, 03:15:50 PM
Let them find out now and change to something good and not at a soft moment or after the fact there kids got aroundHow do you know that when they find out now its not a weak moment for them, and because you posted the way around his filter he will go straight away and go view shmutz? We are not malochim and we all have tayvos. Yes even grown adults. Im not taking sides in this argument of what kind of filter to get as im not a techie and dont pretend to be one, all i know is that for lots of people just knowing they have installed a filter takes away alot of the tayvoh, now that they are exposed to the weakness of their filter you are exposing them to falling to their yetzer hora. If you want to expose the weakness of filters you can go ahead and expose but im sure you can find better ways of exposing then a tell all guide on how to bypass your filter. What you are doing is not the derech hayashar. I strongly urge you to reconsider your actions. Yes we all get your point that the filters out there are highly inadequate but please do not give us the tools needed to fall to our yetzer hora.
This product is new and no one is still using it as it has many other biger problems then disabling this stupid filter so exposing it now is acceptable by all arguments
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 03:28:43 PM
You keep avoiding the problem with your argument, you're fighting against software filters and carrying the torch for hardware filters. Hardware filters are less of a filter than software filters in most cases. You're obviously used to dealing with companies where hardware helps because nobody is moving the systems anywhere. In the home environment thats not true.
More people today have laptops than computers in the home user environment, a hardware filter = NO Filter at all! Definitely less than the weakest software filter!
Again circles, and don't put words into my mouth.
I have said before and ill say it again, software filters has its use. But just a software filter in a home means the internet is unfiltered. Period.
Now you have come to an assumption that hardware filter is less than software filter. You are wrong. In fact meshimer/livigent has the same filter (as their software version) on a hardware box. How on earth can then a device that filters the line be less of a filter than that of a software that filters only one computer?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 03:37:43 PM
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 03:37:55 PM
How do you know that when they find out now its not a weak moment for them, and because you posted the way around his filter he will go straight away and go view shmutz? We are not malochim and we all have tayvos. Yes even grown adults. Im not taking sides in this argument of what kind of filter to get as im not a techie and dont pretend to be one, all i know is that for lots of people just knowing they have installed a filter takes away alot of the tayvoh, now that they are exposed to the weakness of their filter you are exposing them to falling to their yetzer hora. If you want to expose the weakness of filters you can go ahead and expose but im sure you can find better ways of exposing then a tell all guide on how to bypass your filter. What you are doing is not the derech hayashar. I strongly urge you to reconsider your actions. Yes we all get your point that the filters out there are highly inadequate but please do not give us the tools needed to fall to our yetzer hora.I don't see the problem DH Data Recovery said he received an email from Livigent it's a bug and its fixed, we agreed if they can fix the problem by automatically updating the software has potential and by the time someone gets to DDF the bypass will not work, if they can't fix it automatically then I am telling you don't use it and if anyone installs it keep them responsible for being irresponsible recommending it and installing it for you
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 03:43:31 PM
Because most of the filters are installed on laptops and its easier to change the line (location) than bypass any filterBut why not use both if they have both?
Post by: sillypainter on June 23, 2013, 03:45:16 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 03:47:48 PM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 03:48:34 PM
Is anybody with me that this subject became nauseating now, and it should be vented in PM mode form now on?Nobody forces you to read this. I don't complain when ppl keep asking the same questions over and over in creditcard threads...
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 03:51:12 PM
Because most of the filters are installed on laptops and its easier to change the line (location) than bypass any filter
Therefore one should get unfiltered internet?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 03:53:56 PM
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 03:55:46 PM
most ppl won't use both because they don't know how to get around the filter, I agree though - you need to at least secure the router and modem otherwise any device can be connected to it. I think you need at least a physically locked router and modem if you have kids in the house and are worried about them connecting additional devices to the router.
Finally we are on the same page.
In herein lies the problem. They have required parents to get a software filter while their internet is unfiltered. And that has to stop. To me.... I'm not going to repeat it only because I want this thread to stay constructive.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 03:56:52 PM
Again you keep calling it unfiltered internet - my point is that hardware is less filtered than software. You keep spinning this in circles, my point is very valid!
It is unfiltered internet. As the filter is confined to only one device and the line is still not filtered.
Post by: myuser on June 23, 2013, 04:00:13 PM
most ppl won't use both because they don't know how to get around the filter, I agree though - you need to at least secure the router and modem otherwise any device can be connected to it. I think you need at least a physically locked router and modem if you have kids in the house and are worried about them connecting additional devices to the router.DH Data Recovery I used to do installations for TAG why isn't this part to recommend users, why don't they sell that box, why don't we recommend some low end hardware are we just looking the simple way out?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 04:05:12 PM
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2013, 09:19:56 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 23, 2013, 10:01:10 PM
A large majority of homes in urban areas have optimum/other free wifi that is unfiltered. (with a "friends" login..)
To get "filtered internet" in most these homes is a waste of time.
i spoke to a parent who didnt realize that his whole family was accessing the internet for free while he thought hes a tzadik for "not bringing it in to the house"
The only solution is device filterization and prayer.
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 23, 2013, 10:02:05 PM
If I get a hardware filter and a software filter. And read a way to bypass my software filter. I can connect to the ten unlocked wifis that reach into my apartment and bypass the filters.+1
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 23, 2013, 10:04:52 PM
Not sure if everyone is aware of this fact, or if it was discussed but I think its relative to the discussion:That's what I keep pointing out - software filters in many instances is the only one available
A large majority of homes in urban areas have optimum/other free wifi that is unfiltered. (with a "friends" login..)
To get "filtered internet" in most these homes is a waste of time.
i spoke to a parent who didnt realize that his whole family was accessing the internet for free while he thought hes a tzadik for "not bringing it in to the house"
The only solution is device filterization and prayer.
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2013, 10:43:36 PM
That's what I keep pointing out - software filters in many instances is the only one availableLet's not get into detail but I personally have no control over the internet connection I use. My only solution is to have a software filter.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 11:02:13 PM
Not sure if everyone is aware of this fact, or if it was discussed but I think its relative to the discussion:
A large majority of homes in urban areas have optimum/other free wifi that is unfiltered. (with a "friends" login..)
To get "filtered internet" in most these homes is a waste of time.
i spoke to a parent who didnt realize that his whole family was accessing the internet for free while he thought hes a tzadik for "not bringing it in to the house"
The only solution is device filterization and prayer.
Excellent post. I will bl"n write about this tomorrow. This is very true and frightening.
Post by: chaimfried on June 23, 2013, 11:04:34 PM
Let's not get into detail but I personally have no control over the internet connection I use. My only solution is to have a software filter.
If this is truly the case then you were covered in my original post where a software filter should be used.
I hope bl"n to post a longer post tomorrow on all this.
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2013, 11:07:25 PM
If this is truly the case then you were covered in my original post where a software filter should be used.So please don't ruin my software filter by posting a way around it!
I hope bl"n to post a longer post tomorrow on all this.
Post by: yuneeq on June 23, 2013, 11:46:42 PM
Not sure if everyone is aware of this fact, or if it was discussed but I think its relative to the discussion:
A large majority of homes in urban areas have optimum/other free wifi that is unfiltered. (with a "friends" login..)
To get "filtered internet" in most these homes is a waste of time.
i spoke to a parent who didnt realize that his whole family was accessing the internet for free while he thought hes a tzadik for "not bringing it in to the house"
The only solution is device filterization and prayer.
+1
There's a username going around Lakewood.
Tons of bochrim have either hidden smartphones or iPod touches with unflitered access to anything they'd like.
As most of these bochrim aren't looking to protect themselves, I'm not really sure what a good solution could be aside from making parents aware of the issue, or possibly getting Optimum to shut down access to the popular accounts.
Post by: smee123 on June 24, 2013, 07:17:57 AM
Is this optimum thing different?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 24, 2013, 09:49:32 AM
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2013, 10:09:39 AM
+1yup, the irv and dorm both have free unfiltered wifi. its a fact, shocking but true.
There's a username going around Lakewood.
Tons of bochrim have either hidden smartphones or iPod touches with unflitered access to anything they'd like.
As most of these bochrim aren't looking to protect themselves, I'm not really sure what a good solution could be aside from making parents aware of the issue, or possibly getting Optimum to shut down access to the popular accounts.
This is going back at least five years! and no one can do a thing.
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2013, 10:13:49 AM
Honestly I partially agree with the anti-filter crowd, that we must educate our children on how to use the internet responsibly and to deal with the nisyonos. Filtering and limiting device access is a good bandaid and is definitely necessary but is NOT the solution.
Its back to basics, learn mussar with the children, instill yiras shomayim and daven.
Post by: myuser on June 24, 2013, 12:18:51 PM
The internet is here to stay, there is no way around it. Almost every working family in Lalewood has at least one smartphone plus laptops etc.You couldn't say it better, the only way we know how to be protected is if we are educated, to become a successful soldier you must first have training with proper tools.
Honestly I partially agree with the anti-filter crowd, that we must educate our children on how to use the internet responsibly and to deal with the nisyonos. Filtering and limiting device access is a good bandaid and is definitely necessary but is NOT the solution.
Its back to basics, learn mussar with the children, instill yiras shomayim and daven.
Post by: smee123 on June 24, 2013, 01:51:21 PM
No, You can't lock a wifi that doesn't belong to you. Even if you remove the wifi chip from your device you can still connect a usb wifi adapter.I meant any wifi out there, you can always ask the owner to put a lock on it, correct?
Post by: yitzf on June 24, 2013, 01:55:24 PM
I meant any wifi out there, you can always ask the owner to put a lock on it, correct?
Not if it's a hotspot.
They are talking about Optimum hotspots which you can access as long as you have an Optimum login.
Post by: smee123 on June 24, 2013, 01:59:59 PM
Not if it's a hotspot.Thanks, can you explain how that works?
They are talking about Optimum hotspots which you can access as long as you have an Optimum login.
Post by: yitzf on June 24, 2013, 02:02:49 PM
Thanks, can you explain how that works?
If you have Optimum internet at home, you have free use of their hotspots.
Post by: hocker on June 28, 2013, 01:41:15 AM
+1You aren't talking about 14 year old HS kids here, these bochurim are old enough to have kids and probably will have kids within 12-18 Iy"h. You're going to tell their mother?!
There's a username going around Lakewood.
Tons of bochrim have either hidden smartphones or iPod touches with unflitered access to anything they'd like.
As most of these bochrim aren't looking to protect themselves, I'm not really sure what a good solution could be aside from making parents aware of the issue, or possibly getting Optimum to shut down access to the popular accounts.
IMHO a 21+ year old bochur is old enough to make his own decision whether he wants/needs internet access; the most you can do is try to convince them to install software filters...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating Yeshivos should have Wifi in the building, but if it's there already...
Post by: mendoul on June 28, 2013, 05:19:29 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating Yeshivos should have Wifi in the building, but if it's there already...
you aware what would be if yeshivos will have wifi??!!!
you can't do something like this for bochurim its to dangerous!
Post by: hocker on June 28, 2013, 08:51:49 AM
you aware what would be if yeshivos will have wifi??!!!Anyone that wants or needs online access has a smartphone anyhow.
you can't do something like this for bochurim its too dangerous!
Post by: mendoul on June 28, 2013, 09:09:39 AM
Anyone that wants or needs online access has a smartphone anyhow.
ok but this is not provided by the yeshiva!
Post by: LeeW on June 28, 2013, 01:36:02 PM
yup, the irv and dorm both have free unfiltered wifi. its a fact, shocking but true.
This is going back at least five years! and no one can do a thing.
Sure they could. They could be adults about it, tell the bochurim about it, and have everyone bring their smartphone in to have a filter placed on it. Or they could continue pretending it's not a problem, stick their heads in the sand and say a hundred times "internet is assur."
Post by: DH Data Recovery on June 28, 2013, 02:05:32 PM
Post by: LeeW on June 28, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
Please, there's nothing that can be done about it. The phones should be filtered regardless..
Sure they should. But for a multitude of reasons; e.g. not knowing how or not wanting to pay etc.., many people don't have filters on their phones. Yehsivos, especially those that have mostly older bochurim like Lakewood, should make a point of making it mandatory. Before the zman starts everyone needs to show they have a filter on their phone.
Post by: bubbles on June 28, 2013, 04:45:25 PM
Sure they should. But for a multitude of reasons; e.g. not knowing how or not wanting to pay etc.., many people don't have filters on their phones. Yehsivos, especially those that have mostly older bochurim like Lakewood, should make a point of making it mandatory. Before the zman starts everyone needs to show they have a filter on their phone.Bochurim in BMG officially are not even allowed to have texting...
Post by: Baruch on June 30, 2013, 10:23:20 PM
Bochurim in BMG officially are not even allowed to have texting...Tafasta Bemeruba ......
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 02, 2013, 12:56:00 AM
Tafasta Bemeruba ......+100
they so overreached it's pathetic and sad. They could have possibly done somethig about this problem, they missed a golden opportunity...
Post by: yuneeq on July 02, 2013, 02:21:08 PM
You aren't talking about 14 year old HS kids here, these bochurim are old enough to have kids and probably will have kids within 12-18 Iy"h. You're going to tell their mother?!
IMHO a 21+ year old bochur is old enough to make his own decision whether he wants/needs internet access; the most you can do is try to convince them to install software filters...
Don't get me wrong, I'm not advocating Yeshivos should have Wifi in the building, but if it's there already...
You misunderstood my point. When I said make the parents aware, I mean to say that someone needs to educate the parents about the risks of their sons having smartphones. The parents may know that their son doesn't have an internet plan, but they don't know about the free wifi everywhere. And yes, I'll agree that after a certain age, let's say around 20, the parents will probably have no control at all of what phone their son is holding, but better that they know and be in control when their son is still young.
Post by: aj26 on July 04, 2013, 10:49:48 AM
Post by: yuneeq on July 05, 2013, 04:02:46 PM
Any one have a recommendation for a good phone filter for android
Either k9 (free) or netnanny. Of course, you would probably want to download smart app protector, to lock the browser and play store.
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 05, 2013, 04:26:37 PM
Either k9 (free) or netnanny. Of course, you would probably want to download smart app protector, to lock the browser and play store.k9 can lock browser and app store.
Post by: yuneeq on July 05, 2013, 05:31:19 PM
k9 can lock browser and app store.
k9 is easier to bypass. I also recommend smart app for other features as well, such as locking any app, locking wifi, locking new apps etc.
Post by: Centro on July 05, 2013, 06:12:39 PM
Post by: myuser on July 07, 2013, 02:16:50 AM
I think this is already a small problem lately I hear the problems they are having I wish them good luck.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 07, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: myuser on July 08, 2013, 11:51:34 PM
Post by: aj26 on July 09, 2013, 01:00:26 PM
k9 is easier to bypass. I also recommend smart app for other features as well, such as locking any app, locking wifi, locking new apps etc.
thanks for the response.
k9 and netnanny require you to use their browser which limits a lot of my phone/apps.
Anyone have a recommendation for a monitoring program that allows me to use chrome and doesn't limit integration of browser and navagation/phone etc?
Thanks
Post by: yuneeq on July 11, 2013, 12:04:26 AM
thanks for the response.
k9 and netnanny require you to use their browser which limits a lot of my phone/apps.
Anyone have a recommendation for a monitoring program that allows me to use chrome and doesn't limit integration of browser and navagation/phone etc?
Thanks
Webchaver (http://webchaver.com/android_alt.php)
Post by: smart brit on July 14, 2013, 12:30:23 PM
Thanks
Post by: Alexsei on July 14, 2013, 12:44:57 PM
What's a good filter for a android phone /tablet? I have seen some use net nanny with Firefox but I can't figure out how to install it and I'm not sure that it's worthwhile?RangerPro
Thanks
Post by: yuneeq on July 14, 2013, 12:56:42 PM
What's a good filter for a android phone /tablet? I have seen some use net nanny with Firefox but I can't figure out how to install it and I'm not sure that it's worthwhile?
Thanks
Either k9 (free) or netnanny. Of course, you would probably want to download smart app protector, to lock the browser and play store.
I don't like ranger pro simply because it has issues on some devices which makes it impossible to set up.
Regarding installation, I recommend TAG or GYE; if no other choice, find a knowledegable friend.
Whether a filter is worthwhile or not, depends if you want the device in question to be filtered or not.
Post by: Homeandl on July 15, 2013, 12:54:28 AM
Post by: Homeandl on July 15, 2013, 12:36:26 PM
Post by: LeeW on July 15, 2013, 03:38:01 PM
Seriously, I need help with a reliable iPad filter. Anyone?
did you try k9?
Post by: Homeandl on July 15, 2013, 03:42:54 PM
Post by: LeeW on July 15, 2013, 06:15:10 PM
I did, you must use their no-good browser, hated it.
http://www.mobicip.com/
Post by: yuneeq on July 16, 2013, 12:59:38 PM
Seriously, I need help with a reliable iPad filter. Anyone?
Mobiflock (https://www.mobiflock.com/) seems good. There's a free and paid version of it.
Never used it though.
Post by: Homeandl on July 16, 2013, 01:43:50 PM
http://www.mobicip.com/
Thanks Lee, Mobicip sounds awesome, still testing it but so far so good. You the man
Post by: Twin on July 16, 2013, 01:57:33 PM
Post by: Homeandl on July 16, 2013, 02:12:05 PM
1. Browser doesn't save web login details.
2. Does not understand .htaccess generated password fields ???
Post by: LeeW on July 16, 2013, 08:57:52 PM
Other issues with Mobicip
1. Browser doesn't save web login details.
2. Does not understand .htaccess generated password fields ???
Try this. Let me know if it works for you!
https://metacert.com/
Post by: myuser on July 19, 2013, 12:09:29 AM
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 22, 2013, 08:55:09 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076
Post by: Baruch on July 22, 2013, 09:57:14 AM
We should have this here!Obama will never do this. Bush should have!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076
Post by: Homeandl on July 23, 2013, 04:45:33 PM
We should have this here!+1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23401076
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 04:48:28 PM
Seems like a slippery slope.
If you can't handle the temptations then get a filter but why should the government be getting mixed into filtering?
Post by: BAHayman on July 23, 2013, 06:08:03 PM
And what happens when the gov't decides that you also shouldn't be reading about XYZ.+1, they have no interest in blocking pornography, they just want the infrastructure in place to allow them to block content at will.
Seems like a slippery slope.
If you can't handle the temptations then get a filter but why should the government be getting mixed into filtering?
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 06:58:30 PM
+1, they have no interest in blocking pornography, they just want the infrastructure in place to allow them to block content at will.The irony here is that the same people cursing out Obama/NSA are the ones saying they should get involved in mass-filtering.
I don't get it. Can't people see how ripe that is for abuse :P
Post by: Homeandl on July 23, 2013, 07:21:39 PM
no one seems to think that by making drugs illegal, the government is getting mixed in our personal lives... its just another thing that corrupts the people and according to Mr. Cameron the government has a "moral duty" to do something about it.
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 07:25:44 PM
You can say the same for drugs, sure, they're bad for you, but what right does the government have to tell people what they can and cannot put in their bodies?That's a terrible analogy.
no one seems to think that by making drugs illegal, the government is getting mixed in our personal lives... its just another thing that corrupts the people and according to Mr. Cameron the government has a "moral duty" to do something about it.
The government has the right to control dangerous substances just like weapons of mass destruction. Ron Paul will say that you are correct though w/r/t weed.
But we already clearly see the government has few checks and balances when it comes to privacy on the internet. Once they take the initiative to censor some of it there's no telling where that road goes when the NSA decides it to be necessary for the greater good.
You can't have it both ways. Don't tell the government to be more involved when it's good for your own personal agenda but not when it doesn't suit you.
Post by: Homeandl on July 23, 2013, 07:34:57 PM
The government has the right to control dangerous substances just like weapons of mass destruction.Ted Bundy will disagree with you, he (among other serial killers) attributed his madness, mass killings, rapes and kidnappings to pornography
, true, he was f***** up, but you can see why my analogy may not be so terrible
Post by: Homeandl on July 23, 2013, 07:59:02 PM
Post by: myuser on July 23, 2013, 09:25:34 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 23, 2013, 09:29:43 PM
And what happens when the gov't decides that you also shouldn't be reading about XYZ.Radio and TV are "Filtered" they still work fine and there is no government blocking of views etc
Seems like a slippery slope.
If you can't handle the temptations then get a filter but why should the government be getting mixed into filtering?
Post by: myuser on July 23, 2013, 09:35:27 PM
Radio and TV are "Filtered" they still work fine and there is no government blocking of views etcThe problem with the internet the more you are addicted the more money they'll make, Porn brings addition so they most be enforced to stop and give choice.
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 23, 2013, 09:40:51 PM
Post by: Homeandl on July 23, 2013, 09:43:22 PM
Besides, they are not eliminating porn, if you want it you will have to make the decision to opt in. They are setting the default as clean and moral.That's all we can ask for
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 23, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Post by: myuser on July 23, 2013, 10:18:32 PM
That's all we can ask forIf you want more go to Satmar and get Meshimer filter or something between like K9
Post by: BAHayman on July 23, 2013, 10:23:23 PM
Post by: Dan on July 23, 2013, 11:34:04 PM
Every device or internet should have a choice to block Porn to protect kids, not for the government to control but to enforce company's like Verizon Apple Google to have the option otherwise it will never happen+1
Post by: myuser on July 24, 2013, 06:57:07 PM
Did I warn you that this is coming, just know it's only the beginning.
Livigent is the only filter currently who can see private information, Meshimer, Venishmartem VCF filter they are all part of Livigent be smart and stay away from them if you need a filter use K9 or something else....
Post by: Homeandl on July 24, 2013, 07:28:43 PM
Post by: elikay on July 24, 2013, 11:20:16 PM
I had this done to me by a himisha computer technician guy, whom I trusted with all our computers and what not, the next thing I knew was that guy stole most of our data, and shamelessly opened a competition to usWelcome to the forums, care to elaborate? I for one don't believe you. You seem to have had an ax to grind already further up in this thread.
Post by: Homeandl on July 24, 2013, 11:51:03 PM
Welcome to the forums, care to elaborate? I for one don't believe you. You seem to have had an ax to grind already further up in this thread.Like I care if you believe me or not.... "Care to elaborate".... what exactly would you like to hear? names or what? Where I come from (the chasidic community)its something that sadly happens too often... Yingalite learning the business where they're hired to work and then venture out for themselves
Post by: elikay on July 24, 2013, 11:56:33 PM
Like I care if you believe me or not.... "Care to elaborate".... what exactly would you like to hear? names or what? Where I come from (the chasidic community)its something that sadly happens too often... Yingalite learning the business where they're hired to work and then venture out for themselvesHe installed software to spy on you?
Post by: Homeandl on July 24, 2013, 11:59:52 PM
He installed software to spy on you?NO, of course not, he stole our Quickbooks data that included our vendors and customers among other sensitive company records
Post by: Homeandl on July 25, 2013, 12:14:39 AM
He installed software to spy on you?Ok, I can see now why you would think that, as I replied to a post about spying software.... I'm sorry, my bad. I meant to say I had a similar situation going on
Post by: elikay on July 25, 2013, 12:21:32 AM
Ok, I can see now why you would think that, as I replied to a post about spying software.... I'm sorry, my bad. I meant to say I had a similar situation going on:) different story, thanks for clearing that up.
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 25, 2013, 09:27:45 AM
Like I care if you believe me or not.... "Care to elaborate".... what exactly would you like to hear? names or what? Where I come from (the chasidic community)its something that sadly happens too often... Yingalite learning the business where they're hired to work and then venture out for themselves
While this wont absolutely prevent the problem, having employees sign a strongly worded confidentiality and no-compete agreement can act as a deterrent and prevent them from getting any ideas. Even if its a "Heimishe" company with "Heimishe" yingelight. They will know that you take this seriously.
Post by: Alexsei on July 25, 2013, 10:40:44 AM
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 25, 2013, 10:53:48 AM
Very dishonest of you to twist this into your anti-livigent campaign, anyone installing K9 can do the same thing!! This is an issue with the tech not with the software!
Post by: myuser on July 25, 2013, 06:31:58 PM
Despite what @myuser keeps saying - livigent has no access to peoples data. Anyone that reads this sign sees its talking about something completely different. This is basically people pretending to put on filters and instead steal your data. This is an issue anytime you bring a computer to any tech for repairs!The post has 2 sections the first is about that notice the second is about the product which I believe can do the same I never said they are doing it.
Very dishonest of you to twist this into your anti-livigent campaign, anyone installing K9 can do the same thing!! This is an issue with the tech not with the software!
By the way did they fix the bug to disable the filter? I don't think so.
Post by: Baruch on July 26, 2013, 12:37:42 AM
I had this done to me by a himisha computer technician guy, whom I trusted with all our computers and what not, the next thing I knew was that guy stole most of our data, and shamelessly opened a competition to usBring him to Bais Din. I'm sure al pi halacha he would have to stop competing with you.
Post by: Baruch on July 26, 2013, 12:41:19 AM
And what happens when the gov't decides that you also shouldn't be reading about XYZ.The Goverment has been filtering TV and Radio for decades, and they still haven't gone down the slippery slope there.
Seems like a slippery slope.
If you can't handle the temptations then get a filter but why should the government be getting mixed into filtering?
I also take issue with "If you can't handle the temptations then get a filter ". Al taamin beatzmecha ad yom moscha.
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 29, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
Post by: myuser on July 29, 2013, 11:44:01 PM
Post by: Lou Bob on July 29, 2013, 11:47:37 PM
DH Data Recovery, Free K9 installed by TAG is still the best choice and the way to go.negative
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 29, 2013, 11:50:41 PM
Post by: myuser on July 29, 2013, 11:55:04 PM
Not the point, point is they're working on it and serious about it and still very little negative feedbackLittle negative feedback is because nobody is using it, so far they only changed some naming so it's the same joke, do I have to post it to prove it?
Post by: DH Data Recovery on July 30, 2013, 12:40:58 AM
Post by: myuser on August 19, 2013, 10:32:38 PM
Post by: yuneeq on August 19, 2013, 10:37:40 PM
Did anything change since the establishment of Ichud Hakehillos ?
Like tens of thousands of people putting filters on their computers and phones? ???
Post by: myuser on August 19, 2013, 10:46:15 PM
Like tens of thousands of people putting filters on their computers and phones? ???Just asking didn't people do so before?
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 19, 2013, 10:46:49 PM
Just asking didn't people do so before?No they didnt.
Post by: yuneeq on August 19, 2013, 10:51:36 PM
Just asking didn't people do so before?
I would guess maybe 1/100th of what we have now.
But then again, you're looking to get excited again, so maybe I shouldn't tell you what you wanna hear.
Post by: myuser on August 19, 2013, 10:57:29 PM
Post by: Baruch on August 19, 2013, 11:03:12 PM
So you believe since then people are doing filters and before they don't? That's why they are starting to close down there offices?Believe?
I personally know tens of people who put on a filter after CitField.
Post by: yuneeq on August 19, 2013, 11:03:45 PM
So you believe since then people are doing filters and before they don't? That's why they are starting to close down there offices?
They're opening offices all the time. Montreal. Mexico. 25 offices are now open, 25 more than two years ago.
Yes, one office is temporarily closed, and will be open again soon.
Post by: myuser on August 19, 2013, 11:12:05 PM
Believe?I also know people who did but I know to many more not so I am asking
I personally know tens of people who put on a filter after CitField.
Post by: yuneeq on August 19, 2013, 11:13:36 PM
I also know people who did but I know to many more not so I am asking
Lol
Your head is so far up your tuchus
Post by: myuser on August 19, 2013, 11:16:43 PM
LolLOL, I think you need a filter
Your head is so far up your tuchus
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 19, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
LOL, I think you need a filterGood post (for a change ;) )
Post by: david_inuk on August 25, 2013, 10:16:27 AM
The only filter which cannot be disabled is one which is on the ISP level (although if you are desperate then you could probably get around that one too with a vpn, but that wold be far too difficlt for most people).
However, their protection will only remove the absolute shmutz, but it is absolutely impossible to kasher the internet i.e. outside world.
It is oh so easy easy to boot a computer via a usb stick and it is easy to plug a celular dongle (costing no more that a few pounds) into a computer.
The terrifying danger of all this focus on filters is that our community are drawn into a false sense of security thinking they are safe, when in fact, it only takes somebody with a little knowledge mere minutes to bypass most filters (and we know how quickly information is now available online).
The askonim driving the present mania are still stuck at the turn of this century. They still think the internet can be tamed!!
The sooner all communities join together to make an open community run ISP offering differening levels of filtering, the better.
However, in todays climate of I am even frummer than you and blue shirt wearers are shkotzim, we all know how (un)likely that is to happen.
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2013, 12:19:17 PM
The sooner all communities join together to make an open community run ISP offering differening levels of filtering, the better.Because the kosher phone mafia was so well run that now we want to create a kosher isp mafia?
I think the bottom line is that there will always be hundreds of workarounds if someone is looking for them. It takes a combination of moach shalit al halev though anything that makes it tougher is a good thing. But just like you can't block out the billboards on the street you'll never be able to block someone from doing something they're determined to do.
Post by: elikay on August 25, 2013, 12:30:21 PM
I think the bottom line is that there will always be hundreds of workarounds if someone is looking for them. It takes a combination of moach shalit al halev though anything that makes it tougher is a good thing.+1
Nobody is trying to give a false sense of security. To quote Rabbi Reisman (can be heard on Kol Halashon) "We are not trying to make bad people, good. We are trying to keep good people, good." Someone looking for trouble will always find ways to do it.
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2013, 12:34:42 PM
Welcome to the forums!+1
+1
Nobody is trying to give a false sense of security. To quote Rabbi Reisman (can be heard on Kol Halashon) "We are not trying to make bad people, good. We are trying to keep good people, good." Someone looking for trouble will always find ways to do it.
Like my rebbi used to say, locks were made to keep honest people out.
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2013, 12:48:20 PM
Like my rebbi used to say, locks were made to keep honest people out.:)
Post by: Baruch on August 25, 2013, 01:51:10 PM
But it's easier to go to your local convenience store and by a magazine.
Post by: elikay on August 25, 2013, 02:01:09 PM
it's easierDepends for whom :)
Post by: yuneeq on August 25, 2013, 02:09:23 PM
But:
A) The askonim aren't behind the times anymore. They know about all the vulnerabilities on all platforms. Finding fixes to those vulnerabilities is pretty difficult, while your average computer genius will be able to get through it all anyways.
B) Askonim never promoted the kosherness of internet with a filter. They say that without a filter internet is assur, with a filter, one can have a heter bedieved.
C) They would never kasher a smartphone for a teenager. If they believed in the kashrus of their filters, wouldn't they allow it?
D) As others have mentioned, filters are meant to keep kosher people kosher, not to kasher a sheretz.
Post by: myuser on August 29, 2013, 12:55:17 AM
What are you suggesting doing a ISP filter? We had one called JNET it was never a good filter, what's the problem with K9?
Let's stop talking what we should do, let's do what we know is good.
Post by: SamKey on September 01, 2013, 11:31:59 AM
Post by: yuneeq on September 01, 2013, 11:42:18 AM
So basically there's no way to have a filtered chrome browser on an android? Can anyone share how k9 differs from netnanny?
K9 on android is very unreliable and uncustomizable. In order to filter with k9, you need also an app lock to block the play store. In order to download apps, you'll need to go to the guy holding the password.
Net nanny is customizable by category, and allows app downloads, but automatically blocks then from running until person with password allows them. This can be done remotely.
Post by: SamKey on September 01, 2013, 11:50:04 AM
K9 on android is very unreliable and uncustomizable. In order to filter with k9, you need also an app lock to block the play store. In order to download apps, you'll need to go to the guy holding the password.I have netnanny now, it seems pretty good(they locked the settings app!) Just slow and is not as enjoyable as chrome. #whatwegiveuptobejewish
Net nanny is customizable by category, and allows app downloads, but automatically blocks then from running until person with password allows them. This can be done remotely.
Post by: yuneeq on September 01, 2013, 12:03:14 PM
I have netnanny now, it seems pretty good(they locked the settings app!) Just slow and is not as enjoyable as chrome. #whatwegiveuptobejewish
No filtered mobile browser will be just as good as the regular ones.
If you can find something that works without crashing all the time, and without blocking too much or too little, you take it.
Post by: hocker on September 01, 2013, 12:40:22 PM
I have netnanny now, it seems pretty good(they locked the settings app!) Just slow and is not as enjoyable as chrome. #whatwegiveupforRosh HashanaFTFY
On the same note anyone know of any filtering options for the Q10? Must be a filter not a block.
Post by: yuneeq on September 01, 2013, 12:42:57 PM
FTFY
On the same note anyone know of any filtering options for the Q10? Must be a filter not a block.
Sideload net nanny or k9
or download safe browser from app store
Post by: SamKey on September 01, 2013, 01:23:39 PM
Post by: yuneeq on September 01, 2013, 01:24:54 PM
they blocked this page for "proxy" reasons! (maybe they could tell that there are secrets of how to get around it :P ) and they also blocked settings and my mobile connection...no phone calls but yes internet!
Who is "they"
Post by: SamKey on September 01, 2013, 01:27:42 PM
Who is "they"netnanny
Post by: yuneeq on September 01, 2013, 01:28:49 PM
netnanny
Call up whoever is in charge of your account to unblock the settings
Post by: ckmk47 on September 12, 2013, 01:09:34 AM
My son doesn't want K9 because "it will slow it down". I don't mind using a program that merely reports to me where he's browsed, without stopping him from going anywhere.
Recommendations please? thanks.
Post by: Benny24 on September 12, 2013, 10:11:41 AM
Post by: ckmk47 on September 12, 2013, 11:36:11 AM
Post by: yuneeq on September 12, 2013, 12:45:42 PM
iOS7 which will be released September 18th will include an upgrade for safari and will include very nice filtering/parental control options.
Thanks for the info. It's about time Apple put a little effort into parental controls. Google could use a lot of work too.
Post by: hershy on September 12, 2013, 10:10:28 PM
Post by: Lazegotit on September 12, 2013, 11:17:00 PM
On a iPod if its jailbroken you can spy on him without him knowing
How can you do that?
Post by: hershy on September 12, 2013, 11:48:19 PM
Post by: ckmk47 on September 12, 2013, 11:52:10 PM
I'm looking to filter an ipod and a notebook.What can I do about his notebook computer?
My son doesn't want K9 because "it will slow it down". I don't mind using a program that merely reports to me where he's browsed, without stopping him from going anywhere.
Recommendations please? thanks.
Post by: yuneeq on September 13, 2013, 11:17:00 AM
What can I do about his notebook computer?
K9. It doesn't slow down your computer.
Post by: myuser on September 30, 2013, 09:50:13 PM
Post by: SamKey on September 30, 2013, 10:19:57 PM
NetNanny vs K9 anyone with experiencelove net nanny never tried k9 because of complaints I've heard.
CMIIW but I believe k9 blocks the app store a opposed to NN just doesn't let you access browsers
Post by: yuneeq on September 30, 2013, 11:08:34 PM
NetNanny vs K9 anyone with experience
Assuming your asking about android, definitely go with net nanny. You can download apps and have the admin approve them remotely. There's also filtering by category, white listing among many features, while k9 does none of those. And many phones, k9 barely manages to run without quitting instantly.
Post by: ckmk47 on October 01, 2013, 01:00:33 AM
Post by: yuneeq on October 01, 2013, 01:35:41 AM
What about an ipod 4 that can't download iOS 7? which fiilter should I use?
Try mobicip.
Just wanna note that the iOS 7 safari filtering is garbage unless you want whitelist only. It blocks tons of clean, normal websites, like ups, gilt, and tons of 100% clean websites. while leaving youtube, Facebook, twitter and others open.
The greatest safety feature Apple added (unintentionally) to iOS 7 is the Find My iPhone feature, which if set, disallows the user to restore the phone without putting in the password for the apple ID. The feature is meant to stop theft. But it works well for blocking too. Obviously, if you're blocking the phone for someone else, you would use your own ID.
Post by: ckmk47 on October 01, 2013, 01:38:38 AM
Try mobicip.You seem to like it better than K9 also. correct? Why?
Post by: yuneeq on October 01, 2013, 02:03:29 AM
You seem to like it better than K9 also. correct? Why?
K9 on phones is very limited. There is no customizing what categories or what sites to leave open and block. The features are far behind other companies. The apps they have sometimes do not run at all. I would guess that there is one guy working part time developing their mobile apps. Mobicip has categories, whitelisting, monitoring, and more features. Costs $10/year for anything beyond preconfigured filtering. You can check out mobiflock too but I'm less familiar with it.
Post by: ckmk47 on October 01, 2013, 02:18:47 AM
Post by: yuneeq on October 01, 2013, 02:36:14 AM
Eta: I didn't realize it's a free 7 day trial. It costs $25/year.
Post by: hershy on October 01, 2013, 02:59:04 PM
Post by: yuneeq on October 01, 2013, 04:33:18 PM
Any good filter for the BB Q10?
I don't know if they're good at all, but there's:
Safe browser (free)
Max Safe browser ($3)
It's from 2 different companies.
Post by: hershy on October 01, 2013, 05:47:31 PM
Post by: smart brit on October 01, 2013, 05:50:45 PM
For android devices is the best filter net nanny?
I know someone that had his phone "rooted" and the browser removed and only certain approved apps installed.
But from what I have heard it's much easier to filter an iPhone then android or the new Nokia Window phone
Post by: yuneeq on October 01, 2013, 06:16:04 PM
Lmaskono!
For android devices is the best filter net nanny?
I know someone that had his phone "rooted" and the browser removed and only certain approved apps installed.
But from what I have heard it's much easier to filter an iPhone then android or the new Nokia Window phone
Lmaskono, I've stated plenty of times (including yesterday) that Net Nanny is the best android filter to get.
"Filtering" an iPhone is definitely harder than android, and AFAIK, filters don't exist for Windows mobile. But there are different needs for different folks, and therefore sometimes different suggestions, so I would suggest you call TAG if your considering which phone to get.
Post by: smart brit on October 01, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
Lmaskono, I've stated plenty of times (including yesterday) that Net Nanny is the best android filter to get.Thanks
"Filtering" an iPhone is definitely harder than android, and AFAIK, filters don't exist for Windows mobile. But there are different needs for different folks, and therefore sometimes different suggestions, so I would suggest you call TAG if your considering which phone to get.
Post by: hershy on October 01, 2013, 06:33:07 PM
Lmaskono, I've stated plenty of times (including yesterday) that Net Nanny is the best android filter to get.Filtering iphone is much easier and it's possible but android you can always be smarter than the filter
"Filtering" an iPhone is definitely harder than android, and AFAIK, filters don't exist for Windows mobile. But there are different needs for different folks, and therefore sometimes different suggestions, so I would suggest you call TAG if your considering which phone to get.
Post by: yuneeq on October 01, 2013, 06:36:58 PM
Filtering iphone is much easier and it's possible but android you can always be smarter than the filter
I guess there is something you know that I don't ;)
Post by: Yanky on October 03, 2013, 08:44:40 PM
No one with a urge to pornography will stop by just using a filter no matter how strong the filter is or how non-technical he is, he will get around, a filter is designed and made for the purpose to help a person prevent from getting access not acceptable to him, while for some it's pornography while for others it social media everyone to their level, with a variety of products he should be able to choice a solution custom tailored to him.
K9, Meshimer, CovenantEyes, Vocatech, NetNanny and others they are all best choices for the right person depending what you're looking to accomplish, no enforcement or agendas will accomplish anything, the education and willingness from each individual person looking to be protected from the Internet using a variety of products available today should work.
Not every car safety prevention is good enough to satisfy each individual person, but with a variety of different cars and safety products it will fulfill everyone's needs, Internet filtering is no different arguing one product over the other is nonsense while for someone it may not be good but for others it's the best choice.
Post by: yuneeq on October 03, 2013, 10:50:52 PM
I read through all 655 posts I did see all arguments or suggestions but I believe we got the situation wrong.
No one with a urge to pornography will stop by just using a filter no matter how strong the filter is or how non-technical he is, he will get around, a filter is designed and made for the purpose to help a person prevent from getting access not acceptable to him, while for some it's pornography while for others it social media everyone to their level, with a variety of products he should be able to choice a solution custom tailored to him.
K9, Meshimer, CovenantEyes, Vocatech, NetNanny and others they are all best choices for the right person depending what you're looking to accomplish, no enforcement or agendas will accomplish anything, the education and willingness from each individual person looking to be protected from the Internet using a variety of products available today should work.
Not every car safety prevention is good enough to satisfy each individual person, but with a variety of different cars and safety products it will fulfill everyone's needs, Internet filtering is no different arguing one product over the other is nonsense while for someone it may not be good but for others it's the best choice.
I don't agree that if someone isn't technical or if someone uses a whitelist or something close to that, that they can get around anyways. They are pretty much limited to having to use some other device or go somewhere else. Overall, that would definitely limit the amount of bad things a person could possibly see.
In regards to custom solutions, both GYE and TAG only offer custom solutions, as they both know that "filtering" is not one size fits all. I would've started the wiki but haven't done so for the same reason.
Though you do need to realize that certain solutions are better than others in certain areas, and that is what we may be discussing. K9 may be more secure, meshimer stricter, another filter could be "smarter" and etc.
Post by: Yanky on October 03, 2013, 11:26:57 PM
I don't agree that if someone isn't technical or if someone uses a whitelist or something close to that, that thru can get around anyways. They are pretty much limited to having to use some other device or go somewhere else. Overall, that would definitely limit the amount of bad things a person could possibly see.The Yetzer Hara doesn't go to sleep after you install a filter, what's the difference how he will get around if he does it by using this computer or getting another computer and then another computer or other devices, without a personal commitment he will find his way around, but from the other side installing and configuring a filter properly it at least should protect him to fall or fall deeper depending the persons situation.
Post by: yuneeq on October 03, 2013, 11:44:02 PM
The Yetzer Hara doesn't go to sleep after you install a filter, what's the difference how he will get around if he does it by using this computer or getting another computer and then another computer or other devices, without a personal commitment he will find his way around, but from the other side installing and configuring a filter properly it at least should protect him to fall or fall deeper depending the persons situation.
So you completely agree with what I wrote.
Post by: Yanky on October 03, 2013, 11:55:14 PM
So you completely agree with what I wrote.To my understanding you are saying that those filters are strong enough to prevent non-technical people disabling it, for that I am saying they will find their way around even on a computer with a filter.
If you lock a door, a professional will pick the lock and opened the door while a nonprofessional will take a hammer and break it, they both will get in the only difference is that the professional did a clean job, the same is with Internet filtering if you have an addiction being a professional or nonprofessional you will get your way the only difference is the professional person will do a clean job removing it.
Post by: hershy on October 04, 2013, 12:01:27 AM
By the time you will get to another computer you won't need it anymore.
Post by: Yanky on October 04, 2013, 12:12:21 AM
People want to be erlich sure everyone has tough times but here is where it comes the filter, without a filter he will for sure do what he want, not so strong filter he will sooner or later (the first time or the 5th time) get a way around but with a strong filter you much much sure you will stay cleanhershy, this is my point if you install a filter properly and don't overdo the level or enforce it upon the person it will be just like you said, I am just talking when we impose on people to do different of their willingness they will get their way around, for some it's because we blocked YouTube for others Social Networking for others News and Sports and for others Wikipedia, or we installed inappropriate filters for their situation which is causing it to crash, work slow or cannot be properly supported.
By the time you will get to another computer you won't need it anymore.
Post by: yuneeq on October 04, 2013, 01:35:58 AM
To my understanding you are saying that those filters are strong enough to prevent non-technical people disabling it, for that I am saying they will find their way around even on a computer with a filter.
If you lock a door, a professional will pick the lock and opened the door while a nonprofessional will take a hammer and break it, they both will get in the only difference is that the professional did a clean job, the same is with Internet filtering if you have an addiction being a professional or nonprofessional you will get your way the only difference is the professional person will do a clean job removing it.
How many non professionals do you know that can get around a well customized, recent version of k9? And even where they might get in, the material is almost guaranteed to be a lot less graphic than a non filtered computer.
And it may surprise you, there is a large amount of people that disable the internet on their computers completely, removing the Wi-Fi cup, while also blocking all internet access with k9.
And just wondering, what makes you think that "we" (whoever that is) would impose filtering that is too strong?
Post by: Yanky on October 04, 2013, 01:44:19 PM
How many non professionals do you know that can get around a well customized, recent version of k9? And even where they might get in, the material is almost guaranteed to be a lot less graphic than a non filtered computer.yuneeq, it looks like you have some something with K9, yes K9 is good so as many other filter products, if you believe a person with an addiction will stop just by enforcing on him K9, just know you are fooling yourself, go ask any expert they will all say otherwise, the Yetzer Hara will help them find their way some by eliminating K9 others using remote computers, proxies or other devices.
And it may surprise you, there is a large amount of people that disable the internet on their computers completely, removing the Wi-Fi cup, while also blocking all internet access with k9.
A person not addicted but looking and willing for protection all products alike as long it's properly configured and the proper product installed it should do the job that's all I am saying and you agree with me the same.
Post by: Yanky on October 04, 2013, 01:50:14 PM
And just wondering, what makes you think that "we" (whoever that is) would impose filtering that is too strong?Some of the users had posted about their schools or organizations enforcing certain products or configurations.
Post by: yuneeq on October 04, 2013, 02:23:03 PM
Some of the users had posted about their schools or organizations enforcing certain products or configurations.
Some schools, yes. Organizations? Name one. You may be able to, but I can't.
Yet you started off posting that we "all" got it wrong, for not offering customization to users. The biggest players out there do. That's a far cry from reality as you are now agreeing.
In regards to addiction, that's for a completely different discussion. Someone who is addicted needs therapy or counseling. OF COURSE a filter isn't enough. That would be similar to locking an alcoholics liquor cabinet believing that he'll become sober.
Post by: ckmk47 on October 04, 2013, 02:43:20 PM
Post by: george on October 04, 2013, 02:49:53 PM
K9 on an ipod. My son still has you tube. What did I do wrong? How can I fix it?On android, you can change the settings on the k9 app to allow or disallow youtube. I assume same for ipod.
Post by: Yanky on October 04, 2013, 02:58:54 PM
Some schools, yes. Organizations? Name one. You may be able to, but I can't.All I said was based on what other people claim, I don't know about schools or organizations I know what people claim I did not investigate and neither am I interested to investigate the truth of it.
Yet you started off posting that we "all" got it wrong, for not offering customization to users. The biggest players out there do. That's a far cry from reality as you are now agreeing.
In regards to addiction, that's for a completely different discussion. Someone who is addicted needs therapy or counseling. OF COURSE a filter isn't enough. That would be similar to locking an alcoholics liquor cabinet believing that he'll become sober.
I made a very clear point offering the proper product for the proper people with the proper configurations is the way to go as you say it's currently being done, happens to be my experience was that as our company was suggested by TAG to use Vocatech and for my personal laptop K9 me and my company are very happy with both choices and in both scenarios it was configured on a level acceptable to us, so yes me personal I had a very good experience and outcome but as you mentioned it seems some schools are enforcing whatever for that I am saying I don't believe it will work as for those people it's like an addiction and an addiction does not stop with force.
Post by: hershy on October 04, 2013, 03:05:44 PM
K9 on an ipod. My son still has you tube. What did I do wrong? How can I fix it?you have to lock restriction
Post by: hershy on October 04, 2013, 03:08:25 PM
K9 on an ipod. My son still has you tube. What did I do wrong? How can I fix it?by restriction make apps +9 it will be locked (don't know what else it will lock)
Post by: yuneeq on October 04, 2013, 03:13:23 PM
K9 on an ipod. My son still has you tube. What did I do wrong? How can I fix it?
Try mobicip, it's far better and offers customization. K9 allows Facebook and other sites with no option of blocking. Also install iOS 7 if possible, with someone's help, to activate find my iPhone properly to block out restoring it.
(@yanky see, no obsession with k9 :) )
Post by: ckmk47 on October 04, 2013, 04:52:10 PM
Try mobicip, it's far better and offers customization. K9 allows Facebook and other sites with no option of blocking. Also install iOS 7 if possible, with someone's help, to activate find my iPhone properly to block out restoring it.Thanks! Will try that when he comes home for chanuka. Now I can only pray there aren't too many hot spots and/or not enough time, or better yet interest, to get in trouble.
(@yanky see, no obsession with k9 :) )
(I posted after he already left to yeshiva.)
(ipod 4 - no iOS 7)
Post by: SamKey on October 05, 2013, 08:40:13 PM
Thanks! Will try that when he comes home for chanuka. Now I can only pray there aren't too many hot spots and/or not enough time, or better yet interest, to get in trouble.Whats an Ipod 4?
(I posted after he already left to yeshiva.)
(ipod 4 - no iOS 7)
Post by: ckmk47 on October 06, 2013, 12:24:33 AM
Whats an Ipod 4?My son said he couldn't download iOS 7. I understood him to say it's because his iOS was too old. I thought he said ipod 4.
Post by: SamKey on October 06, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
My son said he couldn't download iOS 7. I understood him to say it's because his iOS was too old. I thought he said ipod 4.CMIIW but AFAIK no apple iPod that has wifi has an old ios
Post by: HP58 on October 06, 2013, 01:26:13 AM
CMIIW but AFAIK no apple iPod that has wifi has an old iosI heard the iPod 4's processor is too slow to handle iOS 7.
Post by: Super Speed on October 06, 2013, 02:29:17 PM
I heard the iPod 4's processor is too slow to handle iOS 7.Any filters for BB bold 9930? (not the GYE app that blocks everything)
Post by: yuneeq on October 06, 2013, 03:24:49 PM
Any filters for BB bold 9930? (not the GYE app that blocks everything)
No
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2013, 03:56:49 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2013, 04:07:25 PM
Post by: yuneeq on October 06, 2013, 04:21:54 PM
Eta keeps crashing anyway
It's been disastrous lately
Post by: SamKey on October 06, 2013, 04:50:30 PM
Post by: elikay on October 06, 2013, 05:32:58 PM
Eta keeps crashing anywaySome issue specifically very recently from what I've heard. Had been great :(
Post by: jack12 on October 08, 2013, 02:31:48 PM
Post by: yuneeq on October 08, 2013, 02:56:15 PM
http://matzav.com/the-matzav-shmoooze-new-ios7-feature-allows-internet-filtering
Mentioned here before.
The filtering is worthless.
The only thing that may be useful is the whitelist-only filtering feature.
Post by: shmuelb on October 09, 2013, 07:16:50 PM
ckmk47, IMHO, I think you are in serious trouble and you need someone close to you who you can trust to help you hands on with this high-tech stuff. Ein somchin al hanes and ein apotropus le’arayus so I think that to say that you will daven and hope for the best is dreaming. Maybe you can get the Yeshiva hanhala to help. What yeshiva lets guys bring ipods? That said, do you have any idea if your son reads DDF? Is he laughing at your attempt to get help?
Post by: DrDanny on October 10, 2013, 10:40:58 PM
Post by: yuneeq on October 11, 2013, 12:37:53 AM
I finally found a solution for Android that doesn't involve using a pos browser it's called Accountable2you it logs everything you do in every app and every browser and it emails a weekly report to whomever you like plus if you do anything it doesn't like it emails your partner.
Thanks for the info, but this won't help you filter, just monitor.
Post by: DrDanny on October 12, 2013, 01:38:34 PM
Thanks for the info, but this won't help you filter, just monitor.Correct, forgot to write that.
Actually that was what I was looking for.
Post by: jack12 on October 13, 2013, 09:36:53 PM
Post by: ckmk47 on October 13, 2013, 11:22:31 PM
I started a wiki. Please feel free to add to it and update it. If someone could start a list of the options for the different smartphones it would be great.You've set up links to the various filters. That's great!
I would love a blurb near each one with the main uses, pro, cons. I guess a thumbnail sketch to help us choose one.
Post by: yuneeq on October 14, 2013, 12:09:41 AM
You've set up links to the various filters. That's great!
I would love a blurb near each one with the main uses, pro, cons. I guess a thumbnail sketch to help us choose one.
If you wanna add a blurb, here's one:
If you think you are knowledgeable enough to install your own filter, you have zero use of the wiki. And if you aren't knowledgeable enough, the wiki won't ever be able to make you knowledgeable anyways.
Post by: ilherman on October 14, 2013, 12:10:41 AM
Does net nanny drain the battery?I wouldn't say DRAIN but definitely uses a lot.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 14, 2013, 08:03:34 AM
Post by: ilherman on October 14, 2013, 09:19:39 AM
So what android filter uses the least battery?Don't know. I am using this and enjoy the great android feature that I can swap the battery when its dead with a new fully charged one!
Post by: yuneeq on October 14, 2013, 09:57:39 AM
Post by: elikay on October 14, 2013, 10:46:41 AM
It's not a an "Android" feature, when 2 of the top Android smartphones have no removable battery, while only one does.Okaaaaaay and which iphone has a removable battery?
Post by: yuneeq on October 14, 2013, 12:08:08 PM
Okaaaaaay and which iphone has a removable battery?
And where do you see iPhone mentioned in my post?
I'm just expressing that people think that any feature any Android phone has is considered an "Android feature". People that don't know better may read his statement and think that every Android phone, especially the top ones, come with these features.
Is there a problem with my correction/clarification?
I understood until now that you aren't one of those Sheeple that would take offense.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 23, 2013, 03:43:08 PM
Post by: yuneeq on October 23, 2013, 03:44:44 PM
In order for net nanny to be effective is it necessary to block access to the phones settings to prevent uninstalling?
Use it along with smart app protector.
Even so, it is still better to additionally block the settings.
And yet, there are still ways around...
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 23, 2013, 03:45:54 PM
Use it along with smart app protector.Cant have the settings blocked, way to much of a pain. Whats smart app protector do, prevent uninstallation?
Even so, it is still better to additionally block the settings.
And yet, there are still ways around...
Post by: yuneeq on October 23, 2013, 03:52:07 PM
Cant have the settings blocked, way to much of a pain. Whats smart app protector do, prevent uninstallation?
You can install alternate settings like quick settings or something else.
SAP prevents uninstalling, locks apps that need to be blocked, prevents apps from being sideloaded and more.
Post by: DanH on November 07, 2013, 06:53:54 PM
Try doing this, for example:
www.codecademy.com/tracks/python
or:
http://websocketstest.com
Supervisor mode doesn't help.
Post by: DanH on November 08, 2013, 04:19:35 AM
Just found something very annoying about K9. It kills websocket connections.Nevermind. Updating to latest version of K9 fixed that!
Try doing this, for example:
www.codecademy.com/tracks/python
or:
http://websocketstest.com
Supervisor mode doesn't help.
Post by: bobthebuilder on November 08, 2013, 05:50:37 AM
Use it along with smart app protector.I use smart app protector along with k9, lock internet, app store, and settings. i found it to work best
Even so, it is still better to additionally block the settings.
And yet, there are still ways around...
Post by: yuneeq on November 17, 2013, 11:21:46 AM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/18/apy5ehad.jpg)
Post by: Super Speed on November 17, 2013, 11:10:43 PM
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/11/18/apy5ehad.jpg)Gross.
Post by: notanonymous on November 17, 2013, 11:20:41 PM
Gross.No kidding. At least use gloves.
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 26, 2013, 11:55:33 AM
Post by: kracked dude on November 26, 2013, 12:08:30 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 26, 2013, 12:20:42 PM
Guess you should send a bug report to net nanny and wait for them to issue an update to bring compatibility to kit katI emailed them. How do I get a bug report?
Post by: kracked dude on November 26, 2013, 12:21:45 PM
If not you can download one of these apps to capture a log to send to the developer.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jtb.alogcat (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.jtb.alogcat)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xtralogic.android.logcollector (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.xtralogic.android.logcollector)
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 26, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
Quote
Unfortunately, we are not compatible with Kit Kat. Our developers are aware of the issue and they are working on making our application compatible with Kit Kat. However, it is hard to say for sure how long it will take until we are compatible. As it is right now it will not work at all with your operating system.
>:( >:( Now what? Possible to downgrade from KK till they get their act together?
Post by: elikay on November 27, 2013, 12:05:07 AM
>:( >:( Now what? Possible to downgrade from KK till they get their act together?
#NeverBeTheFirstToUpgrade
Post by: notanonymous on November 27, 2013, 12:08:26 AM
#NeverBeTheFirstToUpgradeSomeone has to be a guinea pig. ;-)
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 06, 2013, 10:04:53 AM
TIA
Post by: katherine123 on December 07, 2013, 11:23:47 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 07, 2013, 11:50:08 PM
I had K9 for years, but just figured out that it's been causing me major issues with my internet connection. I uninstalled and reinstalled it but it didn't help. Any suggestions how to fix this or another good free filter?do you have conflicting antivirus software?
IE. McAfee, (or avast if not set to exclude k9)
Post by: googwallet on December 07, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
Post by: katherine123 on December 08, 2013, 12:09:25 AM
do you have conflicting antivirus software?
IE. McAfee, (or avast if not set to exclude k9)
I don't think so. I only have AVG.
Post by: DanH on December 08, 2013, 06:36:10 AM
I don't think so. I only have AVG.Download this:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/dl/125/
Press Scan, and then press Report (NOT clean!). Post or PM the report.
Post by: bobthebuilder on December 08, 2013, 06:59:30 AM
I like this one for android monitoring http://x3watch.com/How does it work? monitors or just blocks?
Post by: googwallet on December 08, 2013, 01:16:03 PM
How does it work? monitors or just blocks?Just monitors, sends out weekly emails of 'suspicious' activity to up to 10 people.
Claims to works with all browsers.
Iv'e been using it for about a month without any crashes etc. and doesn't seem to use much battery.
Can't be sure how well its working until I actually go on a inappropriate site, which I don't plan on..
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 08, 2013, 01:18:25 PM
Just monitors, sends out weekly emails of 'suspicious' activity to up to 10 people.Its pretty expensive though. No?
Claims to works with all browsers.
Iv'e been using it for about a month without any crashes etc. and doesn't seem to use much battery.
Can't be sure how well its working until I actually go on a inappropriate site, which I don't plan on..
Post by: katherine123 on December 08, 2013, 04:14:50 PM
Download this:
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/download/adwcleaner/dl/125/
Press Scan, and then press Report (NOT clean!). Post or PM the report.
The service that was found as problematic in the scan was this: Service Found : vToolbarUpdater17.1.2
Post by: meshugener on December 08, 2013, 05:36:56 PM
I'm not interested to hear or know which filters are the easiest or harder to bypass or uninstall, I just wanna know which filter will cause the least technical problems possible.
Thanks in advance for any advice and tizkoo l'mitzvohs.
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 08, 2013, 06:04:18 PM
As of today, what is considered to be the most 'technically advanced' filter for a desktop (as in not slowing down speed or crashing)?k9 by far
I'm not interested to hear or know which filters are the easiest or harder to bypass or uninstall, I just wanna know which filter will cause the least technical problems possible.
Thanks in advance for any advice and tizkoo l'mitzvohs.
Post by: meshugener on December 08, 2013, 06:09:02 PM
Post by: DanH on December 08, 2013, 06:28:34 PM
The service that was found as problematic in the scan was this: Service Found : vToolbarUpdater17.1.2There are other things (not only services). Can you please send me the log.
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 08, 2013, 06:59:11 PM
Thanks babyJust make sure you are using avast and set k9 as an exclusion.
Post by: meshugener on December 08, 2013, 07:32:32 PM
Thanks
Post by: googwallet on December 09, 2013, 12:47:44 PM
Its pretty expensive though. No?
Nope, it's free the limitation is that you need a separate account for each device, which means that your accountability partner will get separate email for each device... not such a big deal. I use WebChaver for my mac and x3watch for my android...might just switch my mac to x3watch as well since its free.
Post by: Super Speed on December 11, 2013, 06:30:10 PM
Post by: Myccrabbi on December 11, 2013, 08:29:04 PM
Anyone know if there's a way to block the internet on a Microsoft Surface?u want to filter or remove?
Post by: SamKey on December 11, 2013, 08:30:02 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 11, 2013, 08:30:36 PM
Post by: Myccrabbi on December 11, 2013, 08:31:58 PM
So NN just came out with an update, any feedback? I'm having a hard time clicking on links+1 have had a lot of links blocked.
Post by: SamKey on December 11, 2013, 08:36:17 PM
+1 have had a lot of links blocked.Mine are not blocked just takes a couple of clicks
Post by: Myccrabbi on December 11, 2013, 08:38:45 PM
Post by: Super Speed on December 11, 2013, 10:35:17 PM
u want to filter or remove?Either.
Post by: Shvitzer on January 02, 2014, 02:55:50 PM
Did anyone have the same issue and how did you fix this?
Post by: DanH on January 02, 2014, 04:31:20 PM
I am using K9 web filter version 4.4.268 on a PC that is connected to a network and have Filter secure traffic checked in k9 and I am still able get to https sites even web sites in categories that is blocked.What version of Windows?
Did anyone have the same issue and how did you fix this?
What browser?
Post by: Shvitzer on January 02, 2014, 04:38:39 PM
What version of Windows?
What browser?
What version of Windows? Windows XP
What browser? all browsers
Post by: DanH on January 02, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
What version of Windows? Windows XPSP3?
What browser? all browsers
Do you have a firewall enabled?
Post by: Shvitzer on January 02, 2014, 05:01:25 PM
SP3?
Do you have a firewall enabled?
SP3? yes
Do you have a firewall enabled? no
Post by: zh cohen on January 06, 2014, 09:44:03 AM
Just upgraded to KitKat, now net nanny crashing, not starting >:( Anyone?
Same thing with k9 after updating to KitKat. When I try to open the browser it force closes. I uninstalled it and now I'm using x3 watch.
Post by: SamKey on March 10, 2014, 10:10:06 AM
Post by: Menachem613 on March 10, 2014, 10:53:00 AM
Anyone use NetNanny on a PC?
Yes. Annoying blocks and pop ups but would still recommend.
Post by: Ephraimh on March 10, 2014, 02:41:29 PM
Is it solid? or are there loopholes?
http://www.bewebsmart.com/ipod-ipad-iphone/two-ios-7-features-parents-will-love/
http://matzav.com/the-matzav-shmoooze-new-ios7-feature-allows-internet-filtering
Post by: MC on March 10, 2014, 02:43:23 PM
Post by: Ephraimh on March 10, 2014, 02:46:13 PM
IMHO Apple's restrictions are pretty much pointless because the child (or adult, as it may be) can simply reset the phone/ipod to factory settings and everything is back to normal.In my case that's not a concern, to much to lose with a factory reset,
Is that the only concern? No loopholes otherwise?
Post by: MC on March 10, 2014, 02:47:20 PM
In my case that's not a concern, to much to lose with a factory reset,
Not if it's backed up. Any smart kid can figure it out easily. Just need a computer with itunes.
Post by: Ephraimh on March 10, 2014, 02:52:05 PM
Not if it's backed up. Any smart kid can figure it out easily. Just need a computer with itunes.I understand the basics are backed up, but there are lots of info not backed up, or am I wrong?
Post by: Ephraimh on March 10, 2014, 03:10:34 PM
Not if it's backed up. Any smart kid can figure it out easily. Just need a computer with itunes.Btw MC, if it's backed up (with the restrictions set in place) and then restored, I understand that the restrictions would be restored as well, am I wrong?
Post by: MC on March 10, 2014, 03:16:49 PM
Post by: Alexsei on March 12, 2014, 12:56:18 AM
Also, wouldn't any filter disappear on any device after a factory reset ?
Post by: Ephraimh on March 12, 2014, 09:18:28 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39129.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=39129.0)If you're willing to lose all your info (w/o a backup/restore that is), then yes.
Also, wouldn't any filter disappear on any device after a factory reset ?
Post by: katherine123 on March 12, 2014, 01:30:02 PM
Post by: Super Speed on March 12, 2014, 04:35:40 PM
I believe a backup saves mostly everything including messages etc, however your second point is very valid and probably true, I guess the question is whether a backup saves your current settings as well (which would include restrictions)It would include the original password.
Post by: Super Speed on March 12, 2014, 04:36:07 PM
Post by: shalomh on March 12, 2014, 06:17:28 PM
Btw MC, if it's backed up (with the restrictions set in place) and then restored, I understand that the restrictions would be restored as well, am I wrong?the risk is after the reset and before the restore. they do not have to be done together so you can use the phone in between
Post by: bluiemonster1 on March 13, 2014, 11:58:11 PM
Any good filters for BB Q10?k9 doesnt worlk?
Post by: Baruch on March 14, 2014, 12:17:01 AM
My K-9 filter (most recent version installed) interferes with my internet access on my Win 7 desktop. I can't get internet access for about 15 minutes after I start the computer and then it keeps dropping the connection. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?Is your internet access thru a public wifi? Because when I was traveling and using a public wifi I had this problem.
Post by: elikay on March 14, 2014, 12:56:18 AM
My K-9 filter (most recent version installed) interferes with my internet access on my Win 7 desktop. I can't get internet access for about 15 minutes after I start the computer and then it keeps dropping the connection. Does anyone have an idea how to fix this?Do you have an antivirus? which?
Post by: goodboy92 on March 14, 2014, 01:53:56 AM
Post by: Super Speed on March 14, 2014, 03:21:35 AM
k9 doesnt worlk?Is it in the regular App Store?
Post by: Name Changed on March 16, 2014, 09:04:32 AM
the risk is after the reset and before the restore. they do not have to be done together so you can use the phone in betweenAny filter in any computer would have this issue.
Any computer could be reset to factory settings, and then you have Internet access without a filter.
For most people, this is a big inconvenience to reset a device ect... for most of us the point of the filter is to protect us during the every day use if the device.
If the person using the device is trying to access unfiltered Internet, no filter will stop them.
Post by: dudi on March 16, 2014, 10:34:31 AM
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 16, 2014, 01:18:08 PM
I have a nexus 4 with and android 4.4.2 I want to put on it a app to block certain apps from downloading from Google playI don't think you can do that. You can block Google play entirely, but i dont think you can block only certain apps.
Post by: Yikes2179 on March 19, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
I don't think you can do that. You can block Google play entirely, but i dont think you can block only certain apps.
Try this - it's a new app and it's free
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=appplus.mobi.lockdownpro
Post by: elikay on March 20, 2014, 12:30:08 PM
Try this - it's a new app and it's freeSomething very fishy about the reviews. Look how many asian reviews on 3/19
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=appplus.mobi.lockdownpro
Post by: Yikes2179 on March 20, 2014, 12:31:16 PM
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 20, 2014, 12:56:47 PM
Something very fishy about the reviews. Look how many asian reviews on 3/19IIRC It was reviewed recently on XDA portal.
Post by: yossi4k on March 23, 2014, 05:51:19 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 23, 2014, 06:18:52 PM
Does ANYBODY know of a fix for K9 for Kitkat?!netnanny?
Post by: yossi4k on March 23, 2014, 07:27:50 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 23, 2014, 07:28:24 PM
Horrible alternativefine IME
Post by: yossi4k on March 23, 2014, 07:29:54 PM
fine IMEon what phone?
Post by: elikay on March 23, 2014, 08:06:45 PM
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 23, 2014, 08:19:51 PM
Hopefully Firefox will have a fix which k9 can build on.K9 hasn't updated their browser in ages.
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 23, 2014, 08:34:12 PM
on what phone?MOTOX KK . its definitely not chrome but does the job.
Post by: Jkhein on March 27, 2014, 06:15:59 PM
Post by: Ephraimh on March 27, 2014, 06:49:10 PM
I have a nexus 4 with and android 4.4.2 I want to put on it a app to block certain apps from downloading from Google play
I don't think you can do that. You can block Google play entirely, but i dont think you can block only certain apps.-1
Go to >> Google Play >> settings >> content filtering, and you'll be able to put restrictions with a password.
But you'll have to block the phones 'settings' from where you can clear all of Google play's data including those restrictions..
Post by: AnonymousUser on March 27, 2014, 07:41:01 PM
-1CMIIW, but I think he wanted to block a specific app from being downloaded, let's say for example Angry Birds. I don't think there's any way to do that. Your method just filters general levels of maturity.
Go to >> Google Play >> settings >> content filtering, and you'll be able to put restrictions with a password.
But you'll have to block the phones 'settings' from where you can clear all of Google play's data including those restrictions..
Post by: notanonymous on March 27, 2014, 08:03:24 PM
anybody have a contact number for TAG?732-730-1824
Post by: googwallet on March 31, 2014, 10:09:45 PM
I'm looking for solid accountability on my Andriod, I would like to use WebChaver which monitors the stock browser, and some type of App Lock (have a friend set the password) to lock Google Play (so I can't download another browser like Chrome, which WebChaver doesn't support). The problem is the Smart App Protector can be easily closed (Application Manager > Force Stop) and then my accountability is lost.
There is an option to add the Settings (of the phone) to the locked list of Smart App Protector but that is too much, I can't call a friend each time I want to switch Wi-Fi networks or lower the brightness of the screen..
Anyone know of a App Lock which cannot be bypassed easily?
PS Called the number above for TAG, they recommended Qustodio but thats too heavy and not what im looking for..
Post by: Ephraimh on March 31, 2014, 10:16:13 PM
I need some advice.Download k9 browser and just use the block Google play feature
I'm looking for solid accountability on my Andriod, I would like to use WebChaver which monitors the stock browser, and some type of App Lock (have a friend set the password) to lock Google Play (so I can't download another browser like Chrome, which WebChaver doesn't support). The problem is the Smart App Protector can be easily closed (Application Manager > Force Stop) and then my accountability is lost.
There is an option to add the Settings (of the phone) to the locked list of Smart App Protector but that is too much, I can't call a friend each time I want to switch Wi-Fi networks or lower the brightness of the screen..
Anyone know of a App Lock which cannot be bypassed easily?
PS Called the number above for TAG, they recommended Qustodio but thats too heavy and not what im looking for..
(You don't have to use there browser, or there other features)
Post by: kracked dude on March 31, 2014, 11:20:20 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 31, 2014, 11:23:33 PM
I need some advice.you can download quicksettings so that you won't have to "call a friend"
I'm looking for solid accountability on my Andriod, I would like to use WebChaver which monitors the stock browser, and some type of App Lock (have a friend set the password) to lock Google Play (so I can't download another browser like Chrome, which WebChaver doesn't support). The problem is the Smart App Protector can be easily closed (Application Manager > Force Stop) and then my accountability is lost.
There is an option to add the Settings (of the phone) to the locked list of Smart App Protector but that is too much, I can't call a friend each time I want to switch Wi-Fi networks or lower the brightness of the screen..
Anyone know of a App Lock which cannot be bypassed easily?
PS Called the number above for TAG, they recommended Qustodio but thats too heavy and not what im looking for..
Post by: kracked dude on March 31, 2014, 11:26:29 PM
you can download quicksettings so that you won't have to "call a friend"What do you mean?
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 31, 2014, 11:28:54 PM
What do you mean?you can change settings even if settings are blocked.
Post by: kracked dude on March 31, 2014, 11:35:21 PM
TAG knows about this issue yet they are still recommending it to people. Unbelievable
Post by: kracked dude on March 31, 2014, 11:36:30 PM
you can change settings even if settings are blocked.Why would I want to block my settings? I always see that option but I never understood it, can u explain?
Post by: Ephraimh on April 01, 2014, 12:33:23 AM
IME it doesn't filter incognito, different experience? Pls share.
Post by: yossi4k on April 01, 2014, 06:02:16 AM
Why would I want to block my settings? I always see that option but I never understood it, can u explain?What he's saying is that you can download widgets for the settings that you want to be able to control and still block the settings app.
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 01, 2014, 09:48:51 AM
Why would I want to block my settings? I always see that option but I never understood it, can u explain?if settings are unblocked you can disable admin mode on the filter and uninstall. Something like that..
Post by: kracked dude on April 01, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
if settings are unblocked you can disable admin mode on the filter and uninstall. Something like that..If u try to disable the admin mode, you need to put in the password to unlock the filter. So what's the point in blocking settings?
Post by: elikay on April 01, 2014, 05:18:22 PM
Look into funamo, They have a accountability option, and a app lock feature (can lock all other browsers, all apps, play store etc)
Nothing comes close to Smart App
If u try to disable the admin mode, you need to put in the password to unlock the filter. So what's the point in blocking settings?I know the answer but will not post it on an open forum.
Post by: kracked dude on April 01, 2014, 08:06:30 PM
I don't see how you say that. It locks up apps very well, have you tried funamo and compared it to smart app?
Nothing comes close to Smart App
I know the answer but will not post it on an open forum.
Post by: elikay on April 01, 2014, 10:03:30 PM
I don't see how you say that. It locks up apps very well, have you tried funamo and compared it to smart app?
I don't think I have ever see an app as encompasing (and not user friendly!) as smart app, every time I use it I see new options. It is very good (in one of the latetst versions it actually allows for two different passwords for different apps). I once tried funamo, I don't remember specific issues.
Post by: googwallet on April 01, 2014, 11:10:37 PM
Post by: kracked dude on April 01, 2014, 11:26:02 PM
Actually there is an option in Smart App to called something like 'disable uninstall' which gives it Admin 'rights' and once thats enabled, when you try to force stop the app the option is greyed out. So far, thats good enough for me, although like everything else im sure there is a way to get around that too..I still have that available even with giving smart app admin privileges
Post by: Baruch on May 08, 2014, 10:00:48 AM
Please answer fast, I want to get Dan's MS deal in Staples.
Post by: ckmk47 on May 08, 2014, 10:02:35 AM
Does the ipod Touch work well with k9?If not, there are other filters that work with the ipod touch, I assume?
Please answer fast, I want to get Dan's MS deal in Staples.
Post by: SamKey on May 08, 2014, 12:16:04 PM
Why would I want to block my settings? I always see that option but I never understood it, can u explain?If you remove the Admin you can force stop the browser and then uninstall
Not nearly as good as k9-100000000000000000000000000000000000
especially with the new update
Post by: katherine123 on May 08, 2014, 12:18:47 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 08, 2014, 12:20:54 PM
Are there any iOS apps for an iPod touch that will shut off the internet at certain hours (at night)?netnanny and k9
Post by: katherine123 on May 08, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
netnanny and k9
Okay I'll check it out. Thanks.
Post by: myuser on June 08, 2014, 01:11:59 PM
To be straight forward I don't know almost anyone today who buys a computer or cellphone and will install a filter.
Post by: DanH on June 08, 2014, 01:12:30 PM
To be straight forward I don't know almost anyone today who buys a computer or cellphone and will install a filter.Make better friends.
Post by: myuser on June 08, 2014, 01:15:09 PM
Make better friends.I will have very few
Post by: bobthebuilder on June 10, 2014, 12:26:20 AM
Two years past since City Field Internet Asifa what did we accomplish so far besides promoting K9 filter.
To be straight forward I don't know almost anyone today who buys a computer or cellphone and will install a filter.
Make better friends.Not sure who your hanging out with... All my friends try to be good jews and install filters
Post by: sillypainter on June 10, 2014, 12:50:53 AM
Not sure who your hanging out with... All my friends try to be good jews and install filters
+1
Post by: MeirS on June 10, 2014, 06:52:17 AM
K9 stopped working as soon as I upgraded to android 4.4.2, anyone have similar experience?
Any way to get it to work?
Post by: yossi4k on June 12, 2014, 09:40:34 AM
I didn't read this whole thread and don't know if it discusses mobile filters.been discussed...no fix yet. Net nanny works but after a few months will stop blocking effectively
K9 stopped working as soon as I upgraded to android 4.4.2, anyone have similar experience?
Any way to get it to work?
Post by: MeirS on June 12, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
been discussed...no fix yet. Net nanny works but after a few months will stop blocking effectively:-(
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 09:49:26 AM
. Net nanny works but after a few months will stop blocking effectivelyNot IME. Didn't really try though...
Post by: yossi4k on June 12, 2014, 09:55:12 AM
Post by: aygart on July 08, 2014, 09:28:11 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 08, 2014, 09:40:10 PM
Are there any filtering options for Chromebook?I've heard not.. Please post if you find.
Post by: DanH on July 09, 2014, 08:37:50 AM
https://support.opendns.com/entries/27863530-Configuration-for-Chromebook-OS
Post by: aygart on July 09, 2014, 09:11:10 AM
If you want to filter someone other then yourself, someone not computer-savvy, try:That will only help if you stay in your network
https://support.opendns.com/entries/27863530-Configuration-for-Chromebook-OS
Post by: yomo on July 13, 2014, 02:51:31 AM
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 13, 2014, 07:32:52 AM
What's the best filter for android?net nanny works for me..
Post by: yomo on July 13, 2014, 11:49:40 AM
net nanny works for me..Thanks!
I had it on my old phone and the browser wasn't to amazing. How's yours?
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 13, 2014, 11:58:31 AM
Thanks!Just fine... Obviously chrome is better but its fine.
I had it on my old phone and the browser wasn't to amazing. How's yours?
Post by: yomo on July 13, 2014, 11:59:09 AM
Just fine... Obviously chrome is better but its fine.Does it block incognito?
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 13, 2014, 12:03:56 PM
Does it block incognito?It has incognito, but I think stuff get logged somewhere anyway. Either way its filtered.
( I use that for AP as added security... ;) )
Post by: yomo on July 13, 2014, 12:06:30 PM
It has incognito, but I think stuff get logged somewhere anyway. Either way its filtered.
( I use that for AP as added security... ;) )
I hear. Do you know why tag doesn't recommend it anymore?
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 13, 2014, 12:09:38 PM
Probably because it can be uninstalled someway... But I dont want to know that...
Do you know why tag doesn't recommend it anymore?
For me the having to ask wife reinstal it for me, remember her password, email etc. is such a pain, it is enough of a deterrent :D
Post by: yomo on July 13, 2014, 12:15:14 PM
Probably because it can be uninstalled someway... But I dont want to know that...
For me the having to ask wife reinstal it for me, remember her password, email etc. is such a pain, it is enough of a deterrent :D
does it lock the app store or you have to do that manually?
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 13, 2014, 12:18:05 PM
You can set it to lock the app store or just specific apps etc. It has a dashboard with plenty of settings.
By default it locks your settings on the phone. This somehow prevents uninstalling. You can change this, or download a quick settings app to replace the phones settings.
You can download a free trial and see how it works..
Post by: yomo on July 13, 2014, 12:19:42 PM
You can set it to lock the app store or just specific apps etc. It has a dashboard with plenty of settings.Thanks!
By default it locks your settings on the phone. This somehow prevents uninstalling. You can change this, or download a quick settings app to replace the phones settings.
You can download a free trial and see how it works..
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 10:11:11 AM
Post by: DanH on July 18, 2014, 10:12:14 AM
Does anyone use K9 for the iphone/ipod touch? Is it good?As a filter, its good. As a browser, not too great.
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 10:14:31 AM
As a filter, its good. As a browser, not too great.What's the problems as a browser?
If it's not the browser is it effective?
Post by: DanH on July 18, 2014, 10:19:46 AM
If it's not the browser is it effective?Not at all. The K9 for iOS is an app. A browser.
Post by: Jkhein on July 18, 2014, 10:58:16 AM
What's the problems as a browser?very bad browser! most of the time when clicking on a link it will not open, you have to copy and paste the link every time, very annoying. and even for regular pages to load, you may need to refresh 3-4 times
If it's not the browser is it effective?
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 11:21:32 AM
Post by: Jkhein on July 18, 2014, 11:38:18 AM
Is there a good free option for iphone/ipod touch?why not just use apple's restrictions?
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 11:58:27 AM
why not just use apple's restrictions?Please elaborate
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 12:48:53 PM
Is K9 better on Android?
What Android phone can I buy cheaply that can use wifi w/o having phone service?
TIA
Post by: davidb on July 18, 2014, 12:54:48 PM
Is there a good free option for iphone/ipod touch?besides for k9?
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 12:56:30 PM
besides for k9?Is K9 good?
very bad browser! most of the time when clicking on a link it will not open, you have to copy and paste the link every time, very annoying. and even for regular pages to load, you may need to refresh 3-4 times
Post by: Jkhein on July 18, 2014, 05:41:11 PM
Please elaborateApple have their own restrictions in the settings that can filter adult content in the safari browser. You set it with a four digit code, so you can have someone else set it up for you.
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 05:44:29 PM
Apple have their own restrictions in the settings that can filter adult content in the safari browser. You set it with a four digit code, so you can have someone else set it up for you.Besides for adult content, I want to block video, Arts and Enterntainment etc.
Post by: elikay on July 18, 2014, 05:53:14 PM
Post by: elikay on July 18, 2014, 05:53:43 PM
That will only help if you stay in your networkhe's putting opendns on the pc not the router
Post by: Jkhein on July 18, 2014, 05:58:51 PM
Besides for adult content, I want to block video, Arts and Enterntainment etc.I think you can block video, and you customize which websites to block in addition to many other things.
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
I think you can block video, and you customize which websites to block in addition to many other things.nice! Is it as foolproof as k9?
Does it have categories of websites to block such as "Social Media", "Arts and Entertainment" "Open Image"?
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 18, 2014, 06:27:21 PM
Post by: Baruch on July 18, 2014, 07:01:21 PM
Use net nanny and finished. Customize all you want.net nanny works on iphone? Is it free?
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 18, 2014, 07:04:45 PM
net nanny works on iphone? Is it free?Yes. ~9$ a year and works well.. See a little up thread I posted more info.
Post by: Jkhein on July 18, 2014, 07:51:18 PM
nice! Is it as foolproof as k9?Foolproof but they actually sometimes block regular websites for some reason, so you might want to be around the person with your code like your wife etc, for example DDF is blocked! and needs to be allowed with the code!
Does it have categories of websites to block such as "Social Media", "Arts and Entertainment" "Open Image"?
They don't have those categories
Post by: aygart on July 19, 2014, 11:43:03 PM
he's putting opendns on the pc not the routerThis is something I am a bit confused about. The PC can have its own dns setting? What if it is different from the routers setting?
Post by: hershy on July 20, 2014, 12:28:21 AM
Post by: DanH on July 20, 2014, 06:45:24 AM
This is something I am a bit confused about. The PC can have its own dns setting? What if it is different from the routers setting?Yes it can have its own - slows it down though.
Go to adapter settings, click on IPv4 - Properties, DNS.
Post by: SamKey on July 20, 2014, 09:11:04 AM
Probably because it can be uninstalled someway... But I dont want to know that...It's a lot easier than uninstalling. The only way to completely be filtered is to lock settings and download a settings app
For me the having to ask wife reinstal it for me, remember her password, email etc. is such a pain, it is enough of a deterrent :D
Post by: aygart on July 20, 2014, 09:28:49 AM
Yes it can have its own - slows it down though.How would it work if there is a contradiction?
Go to adapter settings, click on IPv4 - Properties, DNS.
Can this be done on a Chromebook?
Why should it slow things down? It it's only telling which DNS to use?
Post by: Thingywingy on November 07, 2014, 11:28:02 AM
Apple have their own restrictions in the settings that can filter adult content in the safari browser. You set it with a four digit code, so you can have someone else set it up for you.Does apples restrictions work for other browers downloaded to the phone? How good is it at restricting adult content?
Post by: Ephraimh on November 07, 2014, 11:50:26 AM
Does apples restrictions work for other browers downloaded to the phone? How good is it at restricting adult content?Yes
Best out there
Post by: Thingywingy on November 07, 2014, 11:54:13 AM
YesSo why are people getting NetNanny and other filters over the native filter? My understanding is the filtered browsers are much slower. Also, you cant open up email links in non-safari browsers.???
Best out there
Post by: Ephraimh on November 07, 2014, 12:01:23 PM
So why are people getting NetNanny and other filters over the native filter? My understanding is the filtered browsers are much slower. Also, you cant open up email links in non-safari browsers.???Don't know about other people but I'd say Apple restrictions + manually restricting:
Youtube.com
https://m.youtube.com
m.tumblr.com
tumblr.com
https://www.tumblr.com
https://vine.co
https://vine.com
Is pretty strong.
A TAG guy (who happens to be a fellow DDFer too..) told me Apples own filter is the best for iOS.
Post by: elikay on November 07, 2014, 12:52:15 PM
YesFTFY
From the best out there
Post by: Ephraimh on November 07, 2014, 12:53:29 PM
FTFYWhich one?
Post by: DMYD on November 07, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
Post by: Thingywingy on November 07, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
Don't know about other people but I'd say Apple restrictions + manually restricting:Apples' restrictions allows you to restrict specific sites in addition to what is blocked by the filter? and that works for other browsers installed on the device as well?
Youtube.com
https://m.youtube.com
m.tumblr.com
tumblr.com
https://www.tumblr.com
https://vine.co
https://vine.com
Is pretty strong.
A TAG guy (who happens to be a fellow DDFer too..) told me Apples own filter is the best for iOS.
Post by: Ephraimh on November 07, 2014, 02:24:56 PM
Apples' restrictions allows you to restrict specific sites in addition to what is blocked by the filter? and that works for other browsers installed on the device as well?Yes and yes!
Post by: DanH on November 08, 2014, 03:08:23 PM
Post by: sammy n on November 08, 2014, 06:53:37 PM
Apple blocks well, but filters terribly. Blocking adult-only sites still blocks TONS of other regular sites.+1
Post by: Ephraimh on November 08, 2014, 06:53:44 PM
Apple blocks well, but filters terribly. Blocking adult-only sites still blocks TONS of other regular sites.Agreed, but it's worth it.
Post by: elikay on November 08, 2014, 08:08:03 PM
Agreed, but it's worth it.It is a dynamic filter so it will block a site today if it has a gruesome photo and tomorrow it will be open. You need to whitelist sites that you find it blocks to often. But otherwise it is great!
Apple blocks well, but filters terribly. Blocking adult-only sites still blocks TONS of other regular sites.
Post by: elikay on November 08, 2014, 08:08:37 PM
Post by: Thingywingy on November 08, 2014, 08:57:19 PM
Apples' restrictions allows you to restrict specific sites in addition to what is blocked by the filter? and that works for other browsers installed on the device as well?The Apple filter won't allow other browsers that can reach adult content, or it filters within those browsers as well? If the latter is true, are the added whitelisted sites also allowed on the other browsers?
Post by: Ephraimh on November 08, 2014, 09:06:43 PM
The Apple filter won't allow other browsers that can reach adult content, or it filters within those browsers as well? If the latter is true, are the added whitelisted sites also allowed on the other browsers?It filters 3rd party browsers as well, it not just blocks them, and yes, added white/black lists will work on those 3rd party browsers as well.
Post by: Ephraimh on November 08, 2014, 09:50:03 PM
It is a dynamic filter so it will block a site today if it has a gruesome photo and tomorrow it will be open. You need to whitelist sites that you find it blocks to often. But otherwise it is great!Yeah, Tumblr is never blocked, (except when there's a word in the link they don't like), hence the need to black list it, all while the secure message center at Citibank is totally blocked..
Post by: ckmk47 on November 17, 2014, 05:58:39 PM
How do I filter the phone? No service, just to be used for games and such.
Post by: kracked dude on November 17, 2014, 07:24:38 PM
I just updated my OpenDNS to 'high' filtering. I waited a few minutes, then I tested it. I was able to get porn on my Samsung Galaxy Victory.After trying countless android filters, and without getting into all the issues my new favorite android filter is Net Nanny. It filters sites that all the others didnt especially those with dynamic content
How do I filter the phone? No service, just to be used for games and such.
Post by: davdert on November 27, 2014, 05:17:10 AM
Whats the new name instead of "watchdogic" at livigent ?
Post by: Alexsei on November 28, 2014, 12:34:45 PM
Post by: cubicles on November 28, 2014, 12:38:01 PM
Any recommendation of a foolproof method to restrict ALL internet access but allow TeamViewer to function properly?Nativ or livigent
Both are free and available by all Tag location's
Post by: ckmk47 on December 01, 2014, 09:25:32 AM
After trying countless android filters, and without getting into all the issues my new favorite android filter is Net Nanny. It filters sites that all the others didnt especially those with dynamic contentThanks. I installed it and it looks good.
Post by: bobthebuilder on December 08, 2014, 12:40:00 AM
After trying countless android filters, and without getting into all the issues my new favorite android filter is Net Nanny. It filters sites that all the others didnt especially those with dynamic content+1 imo it's worth paying $12 per year.
Problem is net nanny always crashes.
Post by: Eff_Doubleau on December 09, 2014, 07:53:18 AM
Post by: Ephraimh on December 09, 2014, 10:40:24 AM
At home I've got K9. (A friend has the password) and on our phones we have qustudio. Which works with apple filter. As mentioned above, sites fluctuate....Apple filter works on its own.
Post by: bukin86 on December 25, 2014, 11:26:25 AM
Post by: Yordai Dooma on December 25, 2014, 11:36:55 AM
We don't have a filter exactly but a monitoring software by SpectorSoft. Wife can see everything and it actually records a "stream" of entire web sessions and has a lot of other cool features.used to use spectorsoft. The problem is that it records too much (on computers i use for work)
Post by: kracked dude on December 25, 2014, 12:04:15 PM
+1 imo it's worth paying $12 per year.Since the recent update I don't think I've had any crashes
Problem is net nanny always crashes.
Post by: Yordai Dooma on December 25, 2014, 12:07:04 PM
Since the recent update I don't think I've had any crashesIve had a few. Much less though.
They did fix a very crucial loophole on the S5 that ive been bugging them about for 6 months.
Post by: googwallet on December 28, 2014, 09:30:36 AM
I have an android phone (Galaxy S4), and for a while I have protected myself using Smart App Protector to lock down the Google Play store, the browsers and any other apps that could lead to unrestricted internet access. This has worked for quite a while (although it was a but annoying having to use my PC anytime I needed to look something up, it did the trick).
However, recently I discovered that even with the Google Play store locked on my device, I am able to download apps to my phone (say, a new browser) from the Google Play store using my PC (which is logged in to my Google account). This defeats the whole purpose of locking down my phone. I'm wondering if anyone has a solutions to this.
The only solution I could think of would be to change the Google account my phone is associated with to a new account to which I would not know the password, but this would be my final resort since I don't want to hard-reset my phone and lose all my paid for apps. If someone has a better suggestions, please chime in.
Thnaks
Post by: chaimmayer on December 28, 2014, 09:37:46 AM
The problem is I just changed from Comcast to uverse and apparently open DNS doesn't work with uverse.
Has anyone figured out how to make it work with uverse?
Anyone know of a router based solution that is either free like open DNS or relatively inexpensive?
Thanks
Post by: ckmk47 on December 28, 2014, 10:24:20 AM
I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the following:If your PC is also filtered, doesn't that limit what you can download to your Google account / phone? If so, isn't this enough? If not, I see the problem.
I have an android phone (Galaxy S4), and for a while I have protected myself using Smart App Protector to lock down the Google Play store, the browsers and any other apps that could lead to unrestricted internet access. This has worked for quite a while (although it was a but annoying having to use my PC anytime I needed to look something up, it did the trick).
However, recently I discovered that even with the Google Play store locked on my device, I am able to download apps to my phone (say, a new browser) from the Google Play store using my PC (which is logged in to my Google account). This defeats the whole purpose of locking down my phone. I'm wondering if anyone has a solutions to this.
The only solution I could think of would be to change the Google account my phone is associated with to a new account to which I would not know the password, but this would be my final resort since I don't want to hard-reset my phone and lose all my paid for apps. If someone has a better suggestions, please chime in.
Thnaks
Post by: googwallet on December 28, 2014, 10:38:52 AM
If your PC is also filtered, doesn't that limit what you can download to your Google account / phone? If so, isn't this enough? If not, I see the problem.My PC is filtered (I use Web Chaver with filtering) however, that does not stop me from going to the Google Play Store and downloading a web browser app. The problem is the unrestricted activity that can be done within the browser one it's on the phone.
Post by: kracked dude on December 28, 2014, 11:00:58 AM
1) lock package installer, so no apps can be installed without the password.
2) auto lock new apps so they have to be unlocked by the password holder after installation
Post by: Ephraimh on December 28, 2014, 11:11:26 AM
I'm wondering if anyone can help me with the following:There's an option over there that locks every new app downloaded to the device, so even when you download via PCI you won't be able to open it.
I have an android phone (Galaxy S4), and for a while I have protected myself using Smart App Protector to lock down the Google Play store, the browsers and any other apps that could lead to unrestricted internet access. This has worked for quite a while (although it was a but annoying having to use my PC anytime I needed to look something up, it did the trick).
However, recently I discovered that even with the Google Play store locked on my device, I am able to download apps to my phone (say, a new browser) from the Google Play store using my PC (which is logged in to my Google account). This defeats the whole purpose of locking down my phone. I'm wondering if anyone has a solutions to this.
The only solution I could think of would be to change the Google account my phone is associated with to a new account to which I would not know the password, but this would be my final resort since I don't want to hard-reset my phone and lose all my paid for apps. If someone has a better suggestions, please chime in.
Thnaks
Post by: Ephraimh on December 28, 2014, 11:15:35 AM
With Smart App Protector you have 2 options.+1
1) lock package installer, so no apps can be installed without the password.
2) auto lock new apps so they have to be unlocked by the password holder after installation
Sorry for the repost
Post by: AnonymousUser on December 28, 2014, 12:57:39 PM
My PC is filtered (I use Web Chaver with filtering) however, that does not stop me from going to the Google Play Store and downloading a web browser app. The problem is the unrestricted activity that can be done within the browser one it's on the phone.Can you blacklist the whole play store site on the computer?
Post by: googwallet on December 28, 2014, 01:03:50 PM
With Smart App Protector you have 2 options.Thanks, ill try it out.
1) lock package installer, so no apps can be installed without the password.
2) auto lock new apps so they have to be unlocked by the password holder after installation
Post by: googwallet on December 29, 2014, 12:39:04 PM
With Smart App Protector you have 2 options.I enabled this setting and it working well so far!
1) lock package installer, so no apps can be installed without the password.
2) auto lock new apps so they have to be unlocked by the password holder after installation
Thanks.
Post by: avadah on December 29, 2014, 04:09:17 PM
Post by: Alexsei on December 30, 2014, 10:26:42 AM
Post by: kracked dude on December 30, 2014, 10:43:35 AM
Found a flaw in smart app protector if settings are unlocked, not sure if i should share but i need a solution...Solution: lock settings
Post by: eAge on December 30, 2014, 02:17:28 PM
Found a flaw in smart app protector if settings are unlocked, not sure if i should share but i need a solution...There's definitely a solution, PUTPAC TAG and ask, they use smart app protector with settings left open.
Post by: cubicles on December 30, 2014, 09:14:49 PM
There's definitely a solution, PUTPAC TAG and ask, they use smart app protector with settings left open.every app that blocks/filters apps if its not in the root+ has loopholes.
Post by: eAge on December 30, 2014, 09:29:12 PM
every app that blocks/filters apps if its not in the root+ has loopholes.How about iOS restrictions?
Post by: chaimmayer on December 30, 2014, 09:34:19 PM
I used opendns and was pretty happy with it ( a few sites slipped through but overall it was pretty solid).Bump
The problem is I just changed from Comcast to uverse and apparently open DNS doesn't work with uverse.
Has anyone figured out how to make it work with uverse?
Anyone know of a router based solution that is either free like open DNS or relatively inexpensive?
Thanks
Post by: cubicles on December 30, 2014, 10:09:20 PM
How about iOS restrictions?white list users are 99% secured
Post by: eAge on December 30, 2014, 11:18:23 PM
white list users are 99% securedIm talking about the filter itself (not its accuracy) does it have loopholes?
Post by: cubicles on December 31, 2014, 12:19:04 PM
Im talking about the filter itself (not its accuracy) does it have loopholes?In app browsing?
limited adult content is not a solution.
it unfortunately leaves open to many sites that should have been closed
and closes to many sites that should stay open (amazon next day shipping ect.)
Post by: yuneeq on December 31, 2014, 03:50:34 PM
I enabled this setting and it working well so far!
Thanks.
Can also block the USB connection.
Post by: yuneeq on December 31, 2014, 03:55:25 PM
white list users are 99% secured
Problem with the white list is that it doesn't block everything.
Post by: eAge on December 31, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
Problem with the white list is that it doesn't block everything.Whitelist? You mean blacklist
Post by: yuneeq on December 31, 2014, 03:58:15 PM
Whitelist? You mean blacklist
No, I mean even the whitelist.
Post by: cubicles on December 31, 2014, 04:00:59 PM
Can also block the USB connection.yes smart app lock/system lock/ usb connection
Post by: cubicles on December 31, 2014, 04:03:53 PM
What's a good free program that sends reports to a 3rd party?what type of reports?
Post by: eAge on December 31, 2014, 06:56:42 PM
No, I mean even the whitelist.Interesting, i've never tried the whitelist, do non white listed sites slip through?
I have a different problem, it's with blacklisted sites, if the link doesn't start with the name of the site (say something.blacklistedSite.com) it skips through at times.
Post by: cubicles on January 01, 2015, 12:41:25 PM
Interesting, i've never tried the whitelist, do non white listed sites slip through?you can use qustodio browser it should be much better with filtering sites and categories
I have a different problem, it's with blacklisted sites, if the link doesn't start with the name of the site (say something.blacklistedSite.com) it skips through at times.
Post by: eAge on January 01, 2015, 12:58:09 PM
you can use qustodio browser it should be much better with filtering sites and categoriesSwitching from Safari browser to Qustodio browser, is to of a big jump for me just to gain a bit convenience
Post by: Alexsei on January 01, 2015, 03:15:32 PM
what type of reports?If he touches his phone before doing nagel vasser...
Post by: PTU on January 11, 2015, 07:58:48 AM
Post by: yakov116 on January 11, 2015, 08:51:17 AM
Is this true? I'm getting it on my phone.Technically it is since it is monitoring all your usage.
Post by: PTU on January 11, 2015, 09:15:57 AM
Technically it is since it is monitoring all your usage.weird that it just popped up today though..
Post by: MDU on January 12, 2015, 08:11:08 PM
Thanks
Post by: etech0 on January 12, 2015, 08:29:56 PM
Installed k9 on my new dell inspiron (win 8.1) and computer crashed and restarted EVERY time I used internet for more than a few seconds. Issue went away as soon as I uninstalled k9. Any similar experiences? Any advice?What virus protection do you have? I've heard of filters sometimes interfering with Antivirus programs.
Thanks
You may want to contact K9 support.
Post by: MDU on January 12, 2015, 08:50:21 PM
What virus protection do you have? I've heard of filters sometimes interfering with Antivirus programs.Thanks for the reply.
You may want to contact K9 support.
I use Avast (the basic free version) and that is what I used on my old computer, with k9. for years without a hitch...
I will try to contact k9 support though
Post by: etech0 on January 12, 2015, 08:51:26 PM
Thanks for the reply.Interesting that it's not working now! Maybe it's a new version of K9 or Avast, or who knows what?
I use Avast (the basic free version) and that is what I used on my old computer, with k9. for years without a hitch...
I will try to contact k9 support thoughGood luck! Don't forget to let us know what happens...
Post by: yesitsme on January 13, 2015, 01:09:16 AM
Post by: PTU on January 13, 2015, 08:12:24 AM
Thanks for the reply.Avast always conflicts with k9.
I use Avast (the basic free version) and that is what I used on my old computer, with k9. for years without a hitch...
I will try to contact k9 support though
You have to go into avast settings and exclude k9.
GIYF for step by step.
Post by: sammy n on January 13, 2015, 08:19:09 AM
Avast always conflicts with k9.So I have to download K9 first. Is that correct?
You have to go into avast settings and exclude k9.
GIYF for step by step.
Post by: PTU on January 13, 2015, 09:39:35 AM
Avast always conflicts with k9.OK here it is.
You have to go into avast settings and exclude k9.
GIYF for step by step.
http://www1.k9webprotection.com/support/kb/K9173.html
Post by: MDU on January 13, 2015, 01:09:43 PM
OK here it is.
http://www1.k9webprotection.com/support/kb/K9173.html
Interesting that the k9 website says that, while k9 support emailed me this:
Thank you for contacting K9 support. Currently K9 and Avast are conflicting with each other. To resolve this issue please follow the instructions below:
Go to the Avast Console.
Turn off Web Shield.
You may need to wait a minute but you should be able to get to the internet now. Please let me know the results.
Regards,
Trent Lindsey
K9 Web Protection
http://www.k9webprotection.com
Any thoughts on why they told me to shut off Web Shield vs. excluding k9 as per the link above?
Wouldn't shutting of the Web Shield entirely leave me vulnerable?
Post by: PTU on January 13, 2015, 01:17:35 PM
Post by: etech0 on January 13, 2015, 01:27:59 PM
Post by: DanH on January 14, 2015, 08:20:06 AM
Thread on avast forums - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=159243.30
Post by: MDU on January 14, 2015, 12:56:24 PM
Just follow what it says on the link, it works fine.
Can you confirm that it works fine? posters in this avast forum...
I thought I posted about this. Avast 2015 and K9 do not get along. Install 9.x. Here's the link - http://goo.gl/infY7w
Thread on avast forums - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=159243.30
...claim that excluding k9 does not solve the issue. Are they doing something wrong?
Also to DanH pls excuse my ignorance but do I have to uninstall my avast then use your 1st link?
Also how important is Web Shield (what is it?)? Is it not recommended to disable it entirely?
Thanks
Post by: yesitsme on January 14, 2015, 01:13:19 PM
I thought I posted about this. Avast 2015 and K9 do not get along. Install 9.x. Here's the link - http://goo.gl/infY7winteresting that avast & dansdeals both use simplemachines.org (http://simplemachines.org) they look alike
Thread on avast forums - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=159243.30
Post by: DanH on January 14, 2015, 01:17:57 PM
Can you confirm that it works fine? posters in this avast forum...
...claim that excluding k9 does not solve the issue. Are they doing something wrong?
Also to DanH pls excuse my ignorance but do I have to uninstall my avast then use your 1st link?
Also how important is Web Shield (what is it?)? Is it not recommended to disable it entirely?
Thanks
I can confirm that Avast 9.x works just fine with K9. I can also confirm that 10.x does clash with K9, resulting in computer crashing as soon as browser is opened. I can also confirm that above issue does not get resolved if excluding K9 in Avast. I'm also pretty sure I can confirm that disabling Web Shield in 10.x does not solve K9 clash.
Yes, uninstall all previous versions, and install the one from the link I provided above.
Regarding Web Shield - it really depends on the person and computer, but leave it on unless your computer is acting slow. I *do* recommend unchecking everything else though. Nothing should be checked but File and Web shield.
Post by: MDU on January 14, 2015, 01:39:09 PM
Post by: Alexsei on January 15, 2015, 08:48:57 PM
interesting that avast & dansdeals both use simplemachines.org (http://simplemachines.org) they look alikeInteresting that both my local grocery & walmart accept amex
Post by: etech0 on January 15, 2015, 08:50:56 PM
Interesting that both my local grocery & walmart accept amexmy local grocery doesn't :)
Post by: yesitsme on January 17, 2015, 08:25:24 PM
Post by: elikay on January 17, 2015, 08:52:16 PM
I thought I posted about this. Avast 2015 and K9 do not get along. Install 9.x. Here's the link - http://goo.gl/infY7w
Thread on avast forums - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=159243.30
Post by: yesitsme on January 17, 2015, 11:03:41 PM
QuoteI thought I posted about this. Avast 2015 and K9 do not get along. Install 9.x. Here's the link - http://goo.gl/infY7w
Thread on avast forums - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=159243.30
i believe that this is only the free basic version, i need the upgraded version not the updated, correct me if i'm wrong
Post by: DanH on January 18, 2015, 01:55:43 PM
i believe that this is only the free basic version, i need the upgraded version not the updated, correct me if i'm wrongYou can't just put in your key?
Post by: yesitsme on January 18, 2015, 02:44:56 PM
You can't just put in your key?
nope it starts updating...
Post by: DanH on January 18, 2015, 04:11:30 PM
nope it starts updating...Settings - Update - Program - Manual. Fixes it?
Post by: yesitsme on January 18, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
Settings - Update - Program - Manual. Fixes it?
there are 2 version of avast 1. basic 2. pro if you want to benefit from the license you need the pro version, if you use k9 the new version conflicts, to get tho old basic v. here it is http://goo.gl/infY7w (http://goo.gl/infY7w), i need tho old pro v.
Post by: yesitsme on January 19, 2015, 11:15:36 AM
i'm downloading from >>
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=137158.msg1004288#msg1004288 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=137158.msg1004288#msg1004288)
will see if works
Post by: yesitsme on February 04, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
http://www.oldapps.com/ only has the basic version
i'm downloading from >>
https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=137158.msg1004288#msg1004288 (https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=137158.msg1004288#msg1004288)
will see if works
after i installed avast (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3985.msg1034750#msg1034750) my laptop started crashing so did a system restore & it freezes on startup before i can login to change anything HELP!
i un-installed k9 & installed opendns (http://opendns.com) & avast
Post by: Thingywingy on February 22, 2015, 02:46:52 AM
I thought I posted about this. Avast 2015 and K9 do not get along. Install 9.x. Here's the link - http://goo.gl/infY7wIt seems like Avast is highly recommended on DDF and elsewhere, but is it smart to use an old version? Would using a different ani-virus a better choice?
Thread on avast forums - https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=159243.30
Additionally when I clicked on your link I got the following msg. "The site ahead contains harmful programs
Attackers on download-euro.oldapps.com might attempt to trick you into installing programs that harm your browsing experience (for example, by changing your homepage or showing extra ads on sites you visit).
Google Safe Browsing recently found harmful programs on download-euro.oldapps.com.
If you understand the risks to your security, you may visit this site before the harmful programs have been removed."
Seems a bit scary...
Post by: DanH on February 28, 2015, 04:32:21 PM
It seems like Avast is highly recommended on DDF and elsewhere, but is it smart to use an old version? Would using a different ani-virus a better choice?That warning is because the site hosted different software which contained malware. I've verified hashes of the Avast setup file and it matches the ones from Avast. Either way, new link for download is: http://goo.gl/9D0hkD (links to google drive)
Additionally when I clicked on your link I got the following msg. "The site ahead contains harmful programs
Attackers on download-euro.oldapps.com might attempt to trick you into installing programs that harm your browsing experience (for example, by changing your homepage or showing extra ads on sites you visit).
Google Safe Browsing recently found harmful programs on download-euro.oldapps.com.
If you understand the risks to your security, you may visit this site before the harmful programs have been removed."
Seems a bit scary...
Post by: Thingywingy on February 28, 2015, 08:27:10 PM
That warning is because the site hosted different software which contained malware. I've verified hashes of the Avast setup file and it matches the ones from Avast. Either way, new link for download is: http://goo.gl/9D0hkD (links to google drive)Did you post that to Google drive? Did you get it from someone online, or do you have it from Avast?
This PC Magazine articl (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400356,00.asp)e dated Dec. 2014, gives the 2 top spots for free Anti-virus to Panda & Malwarebytes. Agree or disagree? Maybe it's a better choice than getting an old version of Avast?
Post by: DanH on March 01, 2015, 05:53:00 AM
Did you post that to Google drive? Did you get it from someone online, or do you have it from Avast?I posted it to Google Drive. I do not have it from Avast, but as I wrote earlier, it's the same hashes as the one from Avast, which means its the same exact file :) It's also signed...
This PC Magazine articl (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400356,00.asp)e dated Dec. 2014, gives the 2 top spots for free Anti-virus to Panda & Malwarebytes. Agree or disagree? Maybe it's a better choice than getting an old version of Avast?
I do not know about Panda & Malwarebytes. I've only used Malwarebytes to clean malware, not as an active realtime protection service. IIRC it hogged my PC. I definitely wouldn't recommend running it in addition to an AV. I do have a friend that loves Panda, but I don't use it myself to give an opinion.
Post by: Thingywingy on March 01, 2015, 04:14:49 PM
I posted it to Google Drive. I do not have it from Avast, but as I wrote earlier, it's the same hashes as the one from Avast, which means its the same exact file :) It's also signed...You wrote here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3331.msg1078685#msg1078685) that "Kaspersky is the best". Did you only mean relative to AVG, or is it better than Avast too?
I do not know about Panda & Malwarebytes. I've only used Malwarebytes to clean malware, not as an active realtime protection service. IIRC it hogged my PC. I definitely wouldn't recommend running it in addition to an AV. I do have a friend that loves Panda, but I don't use it myself to give an opinion.
Post by: DanH on March 01, 2015, 06:21:57 PM
You wrote here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3331.msg1078685#msg1078685) that "Kaspersky is the best". Did you only mean relative to AVG, or is it better than Avast too?Better then Avast as well. It's just not free, so I don't usually mention it.
Post by: Thingywingy on March 01, 2015, 07:43:12 PM
Post by: DanH on March 11, 2015, 05:31:11 PM
http://files.avast.com/iavs9x/avast_free_antivirus_setup.exe
Post by: DanH on March 12, 2015, 07:56:47 AM
Avast released a new version which no longer clashes with K9. Enjoy!Just wanted to clarify. When installing Avast, do not install the webshield. Only install File Shield. (agav, i dont recommend installing any of the tools either. only thing checked should be File Shield). Web Shield still causes PC to crash if running K9.
http://files.avast.com/iavs9x/avast_free_antivirus_setup.exe
Post by: mosh47 on March 18, 2015, 05:53:54 PM
Post by: etech0 on March 18, 2015, 06:44:45 PM
Are there any filters for wifi or I have to install a filter on every computer ,phoneI believe OpenDNS can be installed on your router.
Of course, that means that if you take a laptop elsewhere and use someone else's wifi, it won't be filtered. Ideally you want both types of filters set up.
Post by: yitrap on March 18, 2015, 06:56:44 PM
I believe OpenDNS can be installed on your router.
Of course, that means that if you take a laptop elsewhere and use someone else's wifi, it won't be filtered. Ideally you want both types of filters set up.
Open DNS can be set up for routers but there is a very easy workaround for anyone who knows how to use Google...I think safe eyes also offers something for routers but the charge and you can probably get around that as well.
Post by: mosh47 on March 18, 2015, 07:49:27 PM
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 29, 2015, 07:18:12 PM
Someone recommended it so i gave it a try...
The concept is great and i loved it for the 1st few days.
They have to root your phone and then they install the filter which blocks apps and filters websites, and can do many more things as you wish.
I had some issues with some apps and they blocked/unblocked them as needed.
The main issue i had was when i tried to use Foxfi/pdanet to tether my phone to my computer on the road and it was blocked.
i called and emailed them and they refused to allow me access to that.
I was forced to cancel my account with them and asked them to remove the filter entirely from my device.
I have no idea what they did, but my phone is now rooted, very slow, gets very very hot, and battery drains very fast.
I also cant download new android updates.
I emailed them again and they sent me a link to do more things to my phone and do a hard reset...to try and get it back to normal (albeit rooted).
At the end of the day, i would NOT recommend them as i have no idea what they did to my phone and cant seem to get the phone back to normal.
Had they solved the one issue of tethering, i would have kept using it. They said they are creating a new filter which will allow tethering...not holding my breath.
Used to use net nanny as well, but they for some reason cant keep up with the android updates...every time a new one comes out they take like 9 months to close the loopholes and by that time the new update is likely out for Android again.
Post by: DanH on April 30, 2015, 02:10:34 AM
A review on VCF (Venishmartem cloud filter).Can't you restore it to firmware and unroot it? checked xda-devs?
Someone recommended it so i gave it a try...
The concept is great and i loved it for the 1st few days.
They have to root your phone and then they install the filter which blocks apps and filters websites, and can do many more things as you wish.
I had some issues with some apps and they blocked/unblocked them as needed.
The main issue i had was when i tried to use Foxfi/pdanet to tether my phone to my computer on the road and it was blocked.
i called and emailed them and they refused to allow me access to that.
I was forced to cancel my account with them and asked them to remove the filter entirely from my device.
I have no idea what they did, but my phone is now rooted, very slow, gets very very hot, and battery drains very fast.
I also cant download new android updates.
I emailed them again and they sent me a link to do more things to my phone and do a hard reset...to try and get it back to normal (albeit rooted).
At the end of the day, i would NOT recommend them as i have no idea what they did to my phone and cant seem to get the phone back to normal.
Had they solved the one issue of tethering, i would have kept using it. They said they are creating a new filter which will allow tethering...not holding my breath.
Used to use net nanny as well, but they for some reason cant keep up with the android updates...every time a new one comes out they take like 9 months to close the loopholes and by that time the new update is likely out for Android again.
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 30, 2015, 07:57:28 AM
Can't you restore it to firmware and unroot it? checked xda-devs?not sure. That might have been the last link they sent me (which I haven't tried yet). I actually got so annoyed that i got a new phone.
This was more of a review about vcf and to warn others who are thinking of trying their product.
Post by: pixi on April 30, 2015, 08:14:01 AM
Post by: avromie7 on April 30, 2015, 08:21:04 AM
What is a good free filter for Android devices? ( k9 doesn't support the latest Android version )I have qustodio on my phone it cost me $12 (tag installed it) and I'm very happy with it and its definitely worth the $12 instead of having k9
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 30, 2015, 08:22:40 AM
I have qustodio on my phone it cost me $12 (tag installed it) and I'm very happy with it and its definitely worth the $12 instead of having k9someone mentioned that one to me. Does it slow down the phone at all? can you tether?
Post by: avromie7 on April 30, 2015, 08:27:02 AM
someone mentioned that one to me. Does it slow down the phone at all? can you tether?I don't notice any lag because of it and I can tether the only thing is when I Google something it takes a extra second or two (literally) to bring up the results page
Post by: pixi on April 30, 2015, 09:50:42 AM
I have qustodio on my phone it cost me $12 (tag installed it) and I'm very happy with it and its definitely worth the $12 instead of having k9I want something to install my self and for free.
Post by: DMYD on April 30, 2015, 09:53:52 AM
I have qustodio on my phone it cost me $12 (tag installed it) and I'm very happy with it and its definitely worth the $12 instead of having k9$12 a month?
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 30, 2015, 10:03:19 AM
$12 a month?if it works right, I'd happily pay
Post by: DMYD on April 30, 2015, 10:06:16 AM
if it works right, I'd happily payCorrect but he says it works fine.
Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 30, 2015, 10:28:38 AM
Correct but he says it works fine.right. I understood your post as surprised at the price. I was just saying that i would pay for something that works well for my needs. I haven't tried it yet
Post by: avromie7 on April 30, 2015, 10:40:20 AM
$12 a month?No I'm not sure if it's a year or for life
Post by: DMYD on April 30, 2015, 10:41:42 AM
No I'm not sure if it's a year or for lifeprobably a year, but which device do you have?
Post by: avromie7 on April 30, 2015, 10:43:07 AM
probably a year, but which device do you have?Oneplus one
One of the great things about it is that all the settings are web based so if I need anything changed or unlocked I just call tag and they do it from their end
Post by: DMYD on April 30, 2015, 10:44:01 AM
Oneplus oneNeed to know if it works on S4s and above.
One of the great things about it is that all the settings are web based so if I need anything changed or unlocked I just call tag and they do it from their end
Post by: avromie7 on April 30, 2015, 10:46:55 AM
Need to know if it works on S4s and above.I have lollipop and it still works
My old phone was the galaxy victory and it worked on it too
Post by: cubicles on April 30, 2015, 10:57:32 AM
there is also a free version that doesn't block apps
Post by: cubicles on April 30, 2015, 11:28:18 AM
Post by: Ephraimh on May 01, 2015, 01:13:56 PM
TAG is now offering the Livigent/TAG (similar to VCF Meshimer Netsach Geder) filter for $9.45 monthly or apps only (no browsing) for $44.95 a yearI currently pay $13/month for Livigent, $9.45 definitely a great price...
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 01, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
I currently pay $13/month for Livigent, $9.45 definitely a great price...Through VCF? They rooted your phone? What kind of phone are you using?
Post by: Ephraimh on May 01, 2015, 02:18:22 PM
Through VCF? They rooted your phone? What kind of phone are you using?Through Geder, did not root, iPhone
Post by: kracked dude on May 01, 2015, 02:23:21 PM
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 01, 2015, 02:45:26 PM
Why would they root your phone? Wouldn't that make it so much harder to secure?Dont know. VCF had to root my phone in order to do it for my Samsung S5. See my review a few posts ago
Post by: avromie7 on May 01, 2015, 02:55:42 PM
Why would they root your phone? Wouldn't that make it so much harder to secure?Root gives more control therefore the other filters have a hard time securing all the control however when they root it the way they want to it gives them more control
Post by: AnonymousUser on May 01, 2015, 04:43:25 PM
Why would they root your phone? Wouldn't that make it so much harder to secure?Could be they root it, install the filter, and then unroot it.
Post by: cubicles on May 04, 2015, 12:54:30 PM
Could be they root it, install the filter, and then unroot it.ones the filter is installed they unroot the phone and block it from being rooted again.
Post by: zemz2005 on May 15, 2015, 11:44:33 AM
Post by: cubicles on May 15, 2015, 02:04:42 PM
my son has an android device running lolipop and I have applock installed on the device but i noticed it can be deleted by removing admin rights. Anyway to lock admin rights on the device with a applock ?not really.
there is a way to block it but a google search will tell him how to....
Post by: zemz2005 on May 17, 2015, 11:47:36 AM
Post by: cubicles on May 17, 2015, 03:44:55 PM
if you care to elaborate I would love to know how to prevent the change in admin rights regardless. thanksLivigent by TAG , or netspark you can PM me for more info.
Post by: pixi on May 19, 2015, 08:25:09 AM
Post by: avromie7 on May 19, 2015, 08:26:26 AM
Any recommendations for a good Internet filter for Android which I can install my self?Qustodio can be installed by yourself I had it installed by TAG and I'm very happy with it
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 19, 2015, 08:48:40 AM
Qustodio can be installed by yourself I had it installed by TAG and I'm very happy with it
+1
Installed it myself. Cant recommend it yet as i only did it recently, but so far so good
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 19, 2015, 10:37:04 AM
Post by: srap on May 19, 2015, 10:41:33 AM
Tag is reliable+1, but I feel bad for all that shmutz they have to see!
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 19, 2015, 10:46:05 AM
Tag is reliableAgreed. Easier to install it myself at my own leisure
Post by: DMYD on May 19, 2015, 11:06:55 AM
+1hmm rating isn't that good, what is it different then K9?
Installed it myself. Cant recommend it yet as i only did it recently, but so far so good
Post by: avromie7 on May 19, 2015, 11:32:51 AM
hmm rating isn't that good, what is it different then K9?For starters you can use any browser
Post by: DMYD on May 19, 2015, 11:53:09 AM
For starters you can use any browserOK cool I will check it out
Post by: cubicles on May 19, 2015, 01:15:35 PM
but I feel bad for all that shmutz they have to see!-1 most volunteers don't open sites just check the category
Post by: cubicles on May 19, 2015, 01:20:28 PM
hmm rating isn't that good, what is it different then K9?Qustodio (also the free version)has a category and white/black list site based filter.
K9 doesn't have a category based filter for PHONES.
Post by: DMYD on May 19, 2015, 01:33:21 PM
Qustodio (also the free version)has a category and white/black list site based filter.I see I downloaded it, so far so good
K9 doesn't have a category based filter for PHONES.
Post by: monkey on June 08, 2015, 07:36:47 AM
Post by: AnonymousUser on June 08, 2015, 09:12:34 AM
My k9 browser keeps on crashing. I'm using a s4. Any advice?IINM, k9 doesn't support kitkat or higher.
Post by: sammy n on June 08, 2015, 09:41:29 AM
IINM, k9 doesn't support kitkat or higher.+1
Post by: monkey on June 08, 2015, 11:03:48 AM
IINM, k9 doesn't support kitkat or higher.Thanks. Any issues with the free version of quostodio?
Post by: kracked dude on June 08, 2015, 11:07:16 AM
Thanks. Any issues with the free version of quostodio?I found netnanny to be so much better than qustodio(better filter, blocks inappropriate dynamic content etc), but last time I used qustodio was few years back so could be they improved
Post by: monkey on June 08, 2015, 11:18:08 AM
I found netnanny to be so much better than qustodio(better filter, blocks inappropriate dynamic content etc), but last time I used qustodio was few years back so could be they improvedI'm looking for a free filter. Is there a free version of net Nanny?
Post by: sammy n on June 08, 2015, 11:26:25 AM
I'm looking for a free filter. Is there a free version of net Nanny?Don't believe so.
Post by: cubicles on June 09, 2015, 06:09:07 PM
Qustodio (also the free version)has a category and white/black list site based filter.
K9 doesn't have a category based filter for PHONES.
Post by: mod on June 09, 2015, 06:13:56 PM
Thanks. Any issues with the free version of quostodio?
Been using it for a few weeks. No issues so far.
Post by: Zevi16 on June 10, 2015, 04:13:38 PM
Post by: yesitsme on June 11, 2015, 01:45:48 AM
And y is TAG itself not here??every one also has a kosher cell
Post by: yitrap on June 11, 2015, 02:05:10 AM
Hi i dont know if there is a thread for this but does anyone know if there is something similar to TAG in israel? And y is TAG itself not here??Yes there is. What do you need them to do?
Post by: Zevi16 on June 11, 2015, 02:08:05 AM
Yes there is. What do you need them to do?Put a filter on my computer...? and a couple of people have asked me for smartphones. Do you have a number for them?
Post by: yitrap on June 11, 2015, 07:16:44 AM
Put a filter on my computer...? and a couple of people have asked me for smartphones. Do you have a number for them?There is one organization called net out I think, I'll look for their number tonight.
Post by: yochiek93 on June 11, 2015, 08:17:03 AM
Put a filter on my computer...? and a couple of people have asked me for smartphones. Do you have a number for them?how about etrog or rimon they are very good
Post by: Hidden on June 11, 2015, 08:21:35 AM
how about etrog or rimon they are very goodNettzach is good
Post by: Zevi16 on June 11, 2015, 08:22:36 AM
how about etrog or rimon they are very goodIm sure they all are but i feel a organization that will filter the whole device is alot better than filters just for the browser. TAG is a wonderful service that benefits all the kehilos it has touched upon!
Post by: yochiek93 on June 11, 2015, 08:26:07 AM
Im sure they all are but i feel a organization that will filter the whole device is alot better than filters just for the browser. TAG is a wonderful service that benefits all the kehilos it has touched upon!for the phones there is a kosher smartphone (yea it sounds funny but ive seen it) i forgot what the company is ill get back to you about it and for the computer what more do you need then blocking the internet
Post by: yitrap on June 11, 2015, 10:13:30 AM
Im sure they all are but i feel a organization that will filter the whole device is alot better than filters just for the browser. TAG is a wonderful service that benefits all the kehilos it has touched upon!Etrog and rimon filter on the isp level, anything connected to that internet will be filtered.
Post by: sammy n on June 11, 2015, 10:17:22 AM
Etrog and rimon filter on the isp level, anything connected to that internet will be filtered.How much are they a month?
Post by: yitrap on June 11, 2015, 10:20:18 AM
How much are they a month?They are your sapak instead of whoever you use... Get them to match whatever you pay.
Post by: yesitsme on June 11, 2015, 11:37:21 AM
how about etrog or rimon they are very good
Rimon caters the D'L community, Etrog caters the Charaidy community
אתרוג' היא חטיבה ייחודית של מסלולי גלישה מיוחדים לציבור החרדי. הטכנולוגיה פותחה על-ידי חברת 'אינטרנט רימון' המובילה את תחום ניהול התוכן בעולם.
How much are they a month?
http://www.etrog.net.il/lobby.asp?def=%EE%F1%EC%E5%EC%E9%ED
Etrog and rimon filter on the isp level, anything connected to that internet will be filtered.
It's both
isp level = filters all packets
on your device = no matter what connection you use (think K9 Jnet combined)
http://www.etrog.net.il/pnimi.asp?id=13
I asked them to expand to the US, Reply "for the right amount money everything is an option"
(http://www.etrog.net.il/hp_img/bot.jpg)
Post by: Zevi16 on June 11, 2015, 04:52:47 PM
Etrog and rimon filter on the isp level, anything connected to that internet will be filtered.The reason why I still think TAG is better because they offer a service of a white list which is very convenient
Post by: yesitsme on June 11, 2015, 05:30:51 PM
The reason why I still think TAG is better because they offer a service of a white list which is very convenientAnd Etrog doesn't offer white list?
Post by: sammy n on June 13, 2015, 03:10:20 PM
And Etrog doesn't offer white list?They do.
Post by: Zevi16 on June 13, 2015, 03:50:54 PM
They do.and you can call / email to update it ? and via teamviewer?
Post by: yochiek93 on June 13, 2015, 06:26:40 PM
and you can call / email to update it ?yes
Post by: yitrap on June 13, 2015, 06:51:13 PM
and you can call / email to update it ? and via teamviewer?What's your question?
Post by: sammy n on June 13, 2015, 07:33:25 PM
What's your question?He's asking if he would want to update the white list how would he do it. Call/email.....
Post by: yitrap on June 13, 2015, 07:53:28 PM
He's asking if he would want to update the white list how would he do it. Call/email.....I bolded the second half of his question
Post by: yesitsme on June 13, 2015, 10:30:28 PM
Features: Whitelist, Blacklist, Real-time Content Filtering
How much are they a month?
pay 1st month get 2nd free
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Post by: Zevi16 on June 14, 2015, 06:54:29 AM
What's your question?Seeing that alot of websites wont work if you just type in the home page, you have to give the full URL of a source (something like that) and with teamviewer etc they just log in and see it direct and copy paste it. Also if you want to open a bunch of websites they look at the history of what was blocked and open them all for you in a sec....
Post by: cholent on June 25, 2015, 12:46:34 AM
Post by: DanH on June 25, 2015, 01:36:30 AM
Is there still no filter at all for Windows phones?venishmartem doesnt have anything up there..
Post by: cholent on June 25, 2015, 01:44:05 AM
venishmartem doesnt have anything up there..Wish I would have realized before getting my phone. My fault for not looking into it but who would believe that there is such a thing as an unfilterable smartphone?! I mean, even in the larger community, parents want to prevent their teenagers from having access to adult content
Post by: avromie7 on June 25, 2015, 06:23:51 AM
Wish I would have realized before getting my phone. My fault for not looking into it but who would believe that there is such a thing as an unfilterable smartphone?! I mean, even in the larger community, parents want to prevent their teenagers from having access to adult contentApple is the only one that actually filters it. android can only be filtered by 3rd party apps but that's not foolproof
Post by: cubicles on June 30, 2015, 04:30:01 PM
Apple is the only one that actually filters it. android can only be filtered by 3rd party apps but that's not foolproofAndroid with Livigent is safer than a iPhone with restrictions or with Apple Configurator
Post by: Ydad on June 30, 2015, 05:04:46 PM
Android with Livigent is safer than a iPhone with restrictions or with Apple ConfiguratorSo why is it that TAG says to buy an iPhone over an Android?
Post by: grodnoking on June 30, 2015, 05:18:15 PM
So why is it that TAG says to buy an iPhone over an Android?Its alot harder to wipe and reinstall an iPhone than an Android. If you know what your doing you can replace aos like that.
Post by: Ephraimh on June 30, 2015, 05:19:21 PM
Android with Livigent is safer than a iPhone with restrictions or with Apple ConfiguratorWhy is disabling the ability to install apps (blocking the App Store) through iPhone restrictions, disabled with TAG's Livigent profile?
Post by: cubicles on June 30, 2015, 06:50:35 PM
Post by: avromie7 on June 30, 2015, 06:51:49 PM
android with Livigent can't be wiped or using hidden browsers ...He means rooted which can be done
Post by: User6669 on June 30, 2015, 10:26:28 PM
android with Livigent can't be wiped or using hidden browsers ...
How about a hard reset?
Post by: cubicles on July 01, 2015, 01:04:16 PM
How about a hard reset?livigent blocks from doing a hard reset
Post by: User6669 on July 01, 2015, 04:56:17 PM
livigent blocks from doing a hard reset
Wow. Didn't know that.
Post by: cubicles on July 01, 2015, 05:49:37 PM
iPhone the app store must be open to download new apps and Tag must find the correct category/url to make sure the app works fine
Post by: User6669 on July 01, 2015, 06:42:06 PM
Post by: cubicles on July 01, 2015, 08:40:37 PM
Personally, I don't trust TAG since (Qustudio (https://www.qustodio.com/en/family/why-qustodio/)) the app they use, gives anyone with access to their database, access to see every single phone call, text, website that I've used and even the timing. Not that I know anyone that had bad experience with them, it's just that I don't feel comfortable with people having access to all that information.Disagree.
with Livigent Tag volunteers have no access to your information only the troubleshooting team.
Post by: Thingywingy on July 01, 2015, 10:02:13 PM
Post by: cubicles on July 01, 2015, 10:12:31 PM
Is there way for k9 administrator to allow access remotely? (Without giving you password)?logging into your computer
Post by: Thingywingy on July 01, 2015, 11:36:19 PM
logging into your computerhuh?
Post by: avromie7 on July 01, 2015, 11:38:10 PM
huh?for example teamviewer where he can log into your computer from anywhere
Post by: Thingywingy on July 02, 2015, 12:15:12 AM
for example teamviewer where he can log into your computer from anywhereYou mean even though K9 doesnt offer that service if he accesses my computer through a skype kinda service he can enter it remotely?
Post by: avromie7 on July 02, 2015, 06:33:52 AM
You mean even though K9 doesnt offer that service if he accesses my computer through a skype kinda service he can enter it remotely?Correct
Post by: Thingywingy on July 02, 2015, 11:21:40 PM
Post by: cholent on July 02, 2015, 11:23:01 PM
Post by: cholent on July 02, 2015, 11:23:41 PM
Post by: Thingywingy on July 03, 2015, 01:13:00 AM
Post by: cholent on July 03, 2015, 01:30:02 AM
Why can't it connect? Is that something that usually happens with K9?
Personally it only happens to me when my internet connection is down, usually right after I open the computer
Post by: Alexsei on July 03, 2015, 03:02:01 PM
Post by: DanH on July 04, 2015, 03:39:06 PM
I have k9 setup blocked video category added youtube to always block but it still allows it any suggestion?probably because https
are you blocking https
i also think i remember that there were versions which didnt block https even when it was supposed to. update your k9 as well.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on July 10, 2015, 01:16:38 AM
I have k9 setup blocked video category added youtube to always block but it still allows it any suggestion?Do you have Avast antivirus? It can clash with K9.
Post by: elikay on July 12, 2015, 01:12:14 AM
android with Livigent can't be wipedBaloney, it is difficult but nothing is impossible.
Post by: elikay on July 12, 2015, 01:14:24 AM
So why is it that TAG says to buy an iPhone over an Android?Iphones can be done fairly well for free, instead of paying up to $120 a year for Livigent.
Post by: cubicles on July 12, 2015, 07:45:28 PM
Iphones can be done fairly well for free, instead of paying up to $120 a year for Livigent.do you really rely on limited adult content?
Post by: elikay on July 13, 2015, 08:19:58 AM
do you really rely on limited adult content?for a whitelist? absolutely! For only apps with no safari, why not!?
Post by: cubicles on July 13, 2015, 03:28:51 PM
do you really rely on limited adult content?
For only apps with no safari, why not!?what about apps that have built in browsers?
Post by: elikay on July 13, 2015, 10:17:01 PM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on July 24, 2015, 02:15:35 AM
(Sorry if it was asked already.)
Post by: Hidden on July 24, 2015, 06:29:34 AM
Post by: avromie7 on July 24, 2015, 09:44:14 AM
Does anyone know whether TAG-installed k9 (don't know if the fact that TAG installed it makes a difference) works/will work properly with windows 10?It was not asked, tag installs the regular k9, I don't know if it works
(Sorry if it was asked already.)
Post by: cubicles on July 24, 2015, 12:31:12 PM
Is it possible to have a smartphone with waze only? (No talk text email ect.)Yes
It was not asked, tag installs the regular k9, I don't know if it worksworks fine
Post by: Iz on July 24, 2015, 04:38:43 PM
Post by: pcgeek on July 26, 2015, 12:15:42 AM
I recently installed k9, and I find that web page loading is very slow. I get a message: resolving something or other. Is this because of k9? Is it unrelated? Any advice would be appeciated.K9 is known to slow down webpage loading times (just like many other filters). Regarding the error message you're seeing, idk please be more specific.
Post by: Iz on July 26, 2015, 10:27:22 PM
K9 is known to slow down webpage loading times (just like many other filters). Regarding the error message you're seeing, idk please be more specific.Thanks for replying.
The message is "Resolving host...". Usually, it loads after a pause. Sometimes, it doesn't load, and gives a message: This webpage is not available DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_BAD_CONFIG.
Any thoughts?
Post by: yesitsme on July 26, 2015, 10:42:32 PM
I recently installed k9, and I find that web page loading is very slow. I get a message: resolving something or other. Is this because of k9? Is it unrelated? Any advice would be appeciated.
I Doubt that its related,
Click windows button --- type cmd --- on the shortcut, right click and Run as Admin -- type ipconfig /flushdns press enter
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/Cc781949(v=WS.10).aspx
http://www.wikihow.com/Flush-DNS
Post by: Iz on July 26, 2015, 11:13:44 PM
Post by: Thingywingy on July 27, 2015, 02:15:57 AM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on July 27, 2015, 02:28:54 AM
I set k9 to block open image search but it still search google images. Is there any way to block that?Have the same. I don't think there's a way, as that's part of standard Google search. CMIIW
Post by: Baruch on July 27, 2015, 09:17:16 AM
I set k9 to block open image search but it still search google images. Is there any way to block that?lately it doesn't block it. K9 has a force safe search option.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on July 27, 2015, 12:07:32 PM
lately it doesn't block it. K9 has a force safe search option.Why lately? It hasn't been blocking it by me for 2+ years now, despite the settings being at pretty strict.
Post by: pixi on July 27, 2015, 12:43:09 PM
Post by: yesitsme on July 27, 2015, 07:02:57 PM
Thanks. I'll give it a shot.Please report back
Post by: User6669 on July 27, 2015, 07:33:31 PM
Post by: Iz on July 27, 2015, 11:24:25 PM
Please report backIt hasn't helped.
Post by: yesitsme on July 27, 2015, 11:29:05 PM
It hasn't helped.is it set to Obtain an IP address And Dns automatically?
(http://res1.windows.microsoft.com/resbox/en/windows%207/main/f598cd96-6bf9-47be-942d-7d0b0afdbd88_47.jpg)
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-tcp-ip-settings#1TC=windows-7
Post by: yochiek93 on July 27, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
It there a way to block IE in perantel control on Windows?http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/set-parental-controls#1TC=windows-7
Post by: Baruch on July 28, 2015, 12:38:14 AM
Why lately? It hasn't been blocking it by me for 2+ years now, despite the settings being at pretty strict.It was blocking by me for over 2 years.
Every time my wife needed to make an arts and crafts I had to put in the password (we split the password).
Either way - with forcing safe search - it's not the end of the world.
Post by: cubicles on July 29, 2015, 02:14:55 PM
price for 12 months is $35
And GentechSolution Filter for iPhone and Android
prices for Android Rooted and iPhone for 3 months $28.35 or 12 months for $100, Android lite 12 months $45.95
Post by: Nitantnel on August 12, 2015, 05:29:36 PM
Or better yet, one for android, one for I-phone and a third for computers.
Post by: pixi on August 12, 2015, 05:33:04 PM
Post by: y0ni on August 12, 2015, 10:31:29 PM
Tag is now offering NetsparkMobile Filter for AndroidVery interested in hearing of anyone had experience with any of these. I have a galaxy s6 and have yet to find a good filter that doesn't totally block me out of every stupid thing (settings, etc). I wish there was an intelligent filter like nativ has for pc
price for 12 months is $35
And GentechSolution Filter for iPhone and Android
prices for Android Rooted and iPhone for 3 months $28.35 or 12 months for $100, Android lite 12 months $45.95
Post by: cubicles on August 13, 2015, 01:01:41 PM
Can I block image search on desktop via k9?I used the Windows easy option of disabling IPV6 from the wiki for a user and it worked not sure it would work for everybody but it is worth a try
You can try http://www.mozbot.com/
This search engine gives the same results as Google but does not offer the image reherche
Post by: Zevi16 on August 13, 2015, 02:36:22 PM
I used the Windows easy option of disabling IPV6 from the wiki for a user and it worked not sure it would work for everybody but it is worth a trySeeing that it can be undone, why not just disable using the browser settings?
You can try http://www.mozbot.com/
This search engine gives the same results as Google but does not offer the image reherche
Post by: cubicles on August 16, 2015, 12:26:58 PM
Post by: y0ni on August 17, 2015, 01:54:24 PM
Post by: keemster26 on August 17, 2015, 01:59:20 PM
Go Netspark for my Galaxy S6 and BH very happy with it. Completely customizable and very quick and polite support.Does it slow down your phone or Internet?
Post by: y0ni on August 17, 2015, 02:02:03 PM
Does it slow down your phone or Internet?Not that I've noticed. Sites that only work with https sometimes have issues though, as it thinks your connection is insecure due to the netspark VPN monitoring your traffic
Post by: keemster26 on August 17, 2015, 02:02:45 PM
Not that I've noticed. Sites that only work with https sometimes have issues though, as it thinks your connection is insecure due to the netspark VPN monitoring your trafficIf it's annoying, is it easy to Uninstall?
Post by: cubicles on August 17, 2015, 02:22:22 PM
Post by: y0ni on August 17, 2015, 02:48:42 PM
I like that they also let you set different filtering levels on each app separately. All in all an impressive filter for Android for only $30/yr.
Post by: SamKey on August 17, 2015, 04:27:44 PM
Very interested in hearing of anyone had experience with any of these. I have a galaxy s6 and have yet to find a good filter that doesn't totally block me out of every stupid thing (settings, etc). I wish there was an intelligent filter like nativ has for pcI like Net Nanny. You can set it not to block settings but if you can access settings you can disable any filter. Best is to download a settings app
Post by: y0ni on August 17, 2015, 04:30:27 PM
I like Net Nanny. You can set it not to block settings but if you can access settings you can disable any filter. Best is to download a settings appNetspark allows you to access your settings but if you try to uninstall the filter without disabling it first from the online admin console, your phone will lock up and you can't get online at all
Post by: kracked dude on August 17, 2015, 04:41:31 PM
I like Net Nanny. You can set it not to block settings but if you can access settings you can disable any filter. Best is to download a settings appI like netnanny for its filter and amount of customization but it's way too easy to disable even without going through settings. So for that reason I'm probably going to be switching to netspark soon, I hope it's alot better
Post by: Ephraimh on August 18, 2015, 04:45:45 PM
I like netnanny for its filter and amount of customization but it's way too easy to disable even without going through settings. So for that reason I'm probably going to be switching to netspark soon, I hope it's alot betterNetnanny does not need to be 'disabled' in order to gain access to an unfiltered browser...
Netnanny filters your phone the same way your pool-filter, filters the Atlantic. ..
Netnanny is a 'filtered browser' (and an ill one at that),
livigent & netspark are 'phone filers'.
Post by: kracked dude on August 18, 2015, 04:53:23 PM
Netnanny does not need to be 'disabled' in order to gain access to an unfiltered browser...
Netnanny filters your phone the same way your pool-filter, filters the Atlantic. ..
Netnanny is a 'filtered browser' (and an ill one at that),
livigent & netspark are 'phone filers'.
Netnanny does block other browsers, and as u said its a filtered browser and one of the best that I've tried and ive tried alot of them, it's really good at filtering dynamic content and blocks sites that all the other " tag recommended filtered browsers" that I've tried allow.
Now that being said it, it takes me exactly 3 seconds to disable it and gain access to unfiltered browsers, So therfore I'm really excited to try netspark one of these days I've heard really great things about it.
Post by: Iz on August 20, 2015, 04:40:22 PM
is it set to Obtain an IP address And Dns automatically?Sorry for not replying sooner.
(http://res1.windows.microsoft.com/resbox/en/windows%207/main/f598cd96-6bf9-47be-942d-7d0b0afdbd88_47.jpg)
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/change-tcp-ip-settings#1TC=windows-7
I did s/t similar to what you suggested: I changed to a public DNS server, as explained here:
http://www.webnots.com/correct-chrome-resolving-host-issue/
and here:
https://www.opennicproject.org/configure-your-dns/how-to-change-dns-servers-in-windows-7/
and here:
https://www.opennicproject.org/nearest-servers/
So far, it seems to have helped.
Thanks for your help.
Post by: Avid Reader on August 21, 2015, 10:31:54 AM
Post by: cubicles on August 21, 2015, 10:46:20 AM
Anyone use NativUSA and are happy with them?Yes, very happy B"H took a few days to find out how to work with it
it does NOT slow down the computer...
Image filtering is amazing (a little to strict)
opening a normal site is instantly
Post by: Avid Reader on August 21, 2015, 10:49:39 AM
Post by: cubicles on August 21, 2015, 11:15:40 AM
How would you compare them to Venishmartem VCF pro? same, better or worse?much better
Post by: y0ni on August 21, 2015, 11:42:50 AM
If you have tech-savvy kids, I would recommend a BIOS password, so that they cannot boot an alternate OS using a usb stick (which is a lot easier than it sounds).
Post by: Avid Reader on August 21, 2015, 03:33:09 PM
The second problem is that like any good filter, you get pages blocked that shouldn't be -false positives. But they're CS is only open Monday-Thursday 9-5pm, the same time that I'm away at work. So I switched to Venishmartem VCF. Need to decide if I should switch back.
I also notice that in this long thread, Nativ is not mentioned much.
Post by: cubicles on August 23, 2015, 10:53:20 AM
I used Nativ for a year and had several problems. The biggest was that every so often the browser would promt me to login-in to Nativ. I would log in and all my open tabs would be switched to the Nativ login page, so I lost all that work. I told them about it a few times, they'd say 'we're sorry', but the problem never went away.nativ and (vcf) Livigent can be set up thru TAG with costumer support 20hrs. a day
The second problem is that like any good filter, you get pages blocked that shouldn't be -false positives. But they're CS is only open Monday-Thursday 9-5pm, the same time that I'm away at work. So I switched to Venishmartem VCF. Need to decide if I should switch back.
I also notice that in this long thread, Nativ is not mentioned much.
Post by: Avid Reader on August 23, 2015, 02:11:38 PM
Post by: cubicles on August 23, 2015, 02:29:38 PM
Are both Nativ and Venishmartem VCF using Livigent?NativUsa is a total different product
Post by: whacked1 on August 23, 2015, 07:26:17 PM
Post by: avromie7 on August 23, 2015, 07:28:04 PM
My inlaws have a filter on the house, my laptop isnt allowing me to access google due to privacy issues (i'm assuming its the filter working) any help here?Which filter?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 23, 2015, 08:33:59 PM
My inlaws have a filter on the house, my laptop isnt allowing me to access google due to privacy issues (i'm assuming its the filter working) any help here?Go back home... Didn't you get the hint?! ;D
Post by: whacked1 on August 23, 2015, 08:36:48 PM
Which filter?Jnet
Go back home... Didn't you get the hint?! ;DLOL just had a baby so gonna be here for a while...
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 23, 2015, 08:45:08 PM
LOL just had a baby so gonna be here for a while...Mazel tov you family & baby!! I guess the zeide and bubbe are really bringing shmira on the baby ;)
Post by: whacked1 on August 23, 2015, 08:46:32 PM
Mazel tov you family & baby!! I guess the zeide and bubbe are really bringing shmira on the baby ;)Thank you. any advice what setting i have to turn off in browser or something like that
Post by: avromie7 on August 23, 2015, 08:48:37 PM
Thank you. any advice what setting i have to turn off in browser or something like thatAFAIK it goes thru Jnets servers and there would be no simple way to bypass it
Post by: whacked1 on August 23, 2015, 08:49:28 PM
AFAIK it goes thru Jnets servers and there would be no simple way to bypass itIt has to be something on my computer, the other laptops here google products work
Post by: avromie7 on August 23, 2015, 08:50:46 PM
It has to be something on my computer, the other laptops here google products workwhat exactly is the error
Post by: whacked1 on August 23, 2015, 09:16:15 PM
what exactly is the error
Quote
Your connection is not private
Attackers might be trying to steal your information from mail.google.com (for example, passwords, messages, or credit cards). NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALID
Automatically report details of possible security incidents to Google. Privacy policy
Post by: avromie7 on August 23, 2015, 09:19:50 PM
try incognito
Post by: pcgeek on August 23, 2015, 09:25:18 PM
NET::ERR_CERT_AUTHORITY_INVALIDThat error message indicates that the filter is intercepting your connection (like it's supposed to). You need what's called a "certificate" from jnet. Follow this link to jnets website http://www.thejnet.com/ssl_filter.asp Click on where it says: "For manual installation on a PC click HERE". Follow the instructions to install the cert in your web browser. Please report back to let us know if that helped.
Post by: whacked1 on August 23, 2015, 09:30:39 PM
That error message indicates that the filter is intercepting your connection (like it's supposed to). You need what's called a "certificate" from jnet. Follow this link to jnets website http://www.thejnet.com/ssl_filter.asp Click on where it says: "For manual installation on a PC click HERE". Follow the instructions to install the cert in your web browser. Please report back to let us know if that helped.Thx!!! Worked!!
Post by: pcgeek on August 23, 2015, 09:53:53 PM
Thx!!! Worked!!Glad to have been of assistance
Post by: Yammer on August 24, 2015, 11:58:12 PM
Netspark allows you to access your settings but if you try to uninstall the filter without disabling it first from the online admin console, your phone will lock up and you can't get online at allNetspark doesn't allow the use of the Google now search bar.
Post by: y0ni on August 25, 2015, 12:04:56 AM
Netspark doesn't allow the use of the Google now search bar.Ask whoever has the password to set the Google Search app to "light" filtering if you need it...
I wanted my OK Google to work and thats how I fixed it.
Post by: kracked dude on August 25, 2015, 12:27:53 AM
Ask whoever has the password to set the Google Search app to "light" filtering if you need it...+1 I have it on moderate and it works great
I wanted my OK Google to work and thats how I fixed it.
Post by: beej on August 25, 2015, 12:30:03 AM
Post by: kracked dude on August 25, 2015, 01:14:33 AM
What I do have issues with is playing youtube videos, when I try to play a video in Tapatalk or Google Newsstand which use a YouTube popup player it doesn't play but when I open the video directly in the YouTube app it works. Any ideas?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 25, 2015, 01:19:38 AM
My data is probably a little slower but not terribly. Don't have any issues with freezing.Which way around do you want it, to work also in Taptalk & Newsstand, or to also not work in YouTube app?
What I do have issues with is playing youtube videos, when I try to play a video in Tapatalk or Google Newsstand which use a YouTube popup player it doesn't play but when I open the video directly in the YouTube app it works. Any ideas?
Post by: kracked dude on August 25, 2015, 01:49:17 AM
Which way around do you want it, to work also in Taptalk & Newsstand, or to also not work in YouTube app?Lol I see now I wasn't clear
I want it to work
Post by: sammy n on August 25, 2015, 02:51:48 AM
Seems pretty good.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 25, 2015, 02:58:49 AM
Lol I see now I wasn't clearInteresting, cuz I've had mixed experiences in Taptalk. Sometimes it works other times it doesn't. I don't know what it depends on. (Maybe the weather... ;))
Post by: avromie7 on August 25, 2015, 07:09:42 AM
Does anyone know anything about Qustodio filter for galaxy?I had it installed by tag it's great, I barely ever see anything from it except for Google searches where it redirects so it takes an extra second
Seems pretty good.
The only downside compared to livigent is that although I never tried I'm pretty confident I can get rid of it in under a half hour
Post by: kracked dude on August 25, 2015, 08:20:28 AM
I had it installed by tag it's great, I barely ever see anything from it except for Google searches where it redirects so it takes an extra secondUnder 10 seconds is more like it.
The only downside compared to livigent is that although I never tried I'm pretty confident I can get rid of it in under a half hour
Post by: sammy n on August 25, 2015, 08:20:55 AM
Under 10 seconds is more like it.So which one can't be?
Post by: kracked dude on August 25, 2015, 08:24:25 AM
So which one can't be?Well if ur "professional" enough I'm sure anything can be bypassed but so far I really like netspark (gotta make sure it's set up correctly though) it will lock you out if you try to be sneaky
Post by: avromie7 on August 25, 2015, 08:26:12 AM
So which one can't be?Tag installs livegent and they root your phone making it extremely difficult to bypass
Post by: sammy n on August 25, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Tag installs livegent and they root your phone making it extremely difficult to bypassI'm currently out of the country so can't get to tag. Can get to my phone without me being there? Also will I still be able to use my regular browser and if yes does it slow it down?
Post by: sammy n on August 25, 2015, 08:29:21 AM
Well if ur "professional" enough I'm sure anything can be bypassed but so far I really like netspark (gotta make sure it's set up correctly though) it will lock you out if you try to be sneakyIs netspark free? Do I get it in the play store?
Post by: kracked dude on August 25, 2015, 08:33:35 AM
Is netspark free? Do I get it in the play store?Free to download
7 day free trial
$35/year
Yes or tag can install it to you
Post by: Ephraimh on August 25, 2015, 05:04:31 PM
I'm currently out of the country so can't get to tag. Can get to my phone without me being there? Also will I still be able to use my regular browser and if yes does it slow it down?No
Yes
No
Post by: pixi on August 28, 2015, 12:56:35 AM
No+1
Yes
No
Post by: pixi on August 28, 2015, 12:57:18 AM
Tag installs livegent and they root your phone making it extremely difficult to bypassIt depends for whom
Post by: sammy n on August 28, 2015, 04:00:48 AM
NoThanx! So I would have to wait till I get back to the states I guess.
Yes
No
Post by: Twin on August 28, 2015, 05:19:04 AM
Have a galaxy s6
Post by: cubicles on August 30, 2015, 11:21:01 AM
What's the difference between netspark and livigant?Livigent root doesn't work with S6 at the moment
Have a galaxy s6
Livigent lite is $60 annually (apps only $45) Netspark $35 annually
Post by: cubicles on August 31, 2015, 10:18:19 AM
Mon, August 31, 12pm – 6pm
770 Eastern Parkway, Brooklyn, NY
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 31, 2015, 12:11:19 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on August 31, 2015, 01:28:33 PM
Since I've upgraded to Windows 10 (I nearly sure that that's when it happened) I have some sites that are not blocked by a TAG-installed K9 filter. I anyone familiar or have a solution?
I have heard that TAG is recommending waiting to upgrade until they work out some issues.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 31, 2015, 01:58:32 PM
Issues that have specifically to do with K9, or in general?
I have heard that TAG is recommending waiting to upgrade until they work out some issues.
Post by: Cheesecake on August 31, 2015, 01:59:50 PM
Post by: beeweegee on August 31, 2015, 02:27:58 PM
Thanks.
Post by: Cheesecake on August 31, 2015, 02:36:19 PM
Netspark is supposed to be a decent option without rooting.
There are easy ways around the others, but depending on your tech knowledge and what you want your filter to do, there are free options, such as Norton Family Security, Kids Safe Browser, Mobicip, Ranger, and Qustodio.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 31, 2015, 02:42:16 PM
The best one is Livigent, but for the real one, not "lite", your phone needs to be rooted. You might need TAG or another organization to configure properly. You can read more on Play Store for Livigent Lite.If you're going to use livigent I'd recommend you install it through Meshimer they have contracted the company and have highly fine-tuned settings.
Netspark is supposed to be a decent option without rooting.
There are easy ways around the others, but depending on your tech knowledge and what you want your filter to do, there are free options, such as Norton Family Security, Kids Safe Browser, Mobicip, Ranger, and Qustodio.
Post by: Cheesecake on August 31, 2015, 03:26:45 PM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on August 31, 2015, 04:34:20 PM
I think TAG does as well.True, but meshimer has it highly fine-tuned for our crowd's needs.
Post by: Cheesecake on August 31, 2015, 05:07:11 PM
True, but meshimer has it highly fine-tuned for our crowd's needs.I have not compared, so I'll take your word.
What do you mean "our crowd"?
Post by: cubicles on August 31, 2015, 05:27:48 PM
True, but meshimer has it highly fine-tuned for our crowd's needs.Huh!?
Post by: cubicles on August 31, 2015, 05:34:55 PM
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 17, 2015, 11:19:42 PM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on September 17, 2015, 11:23:08 PM
does k9 work for windows 10?Generally, yes. By me, almost. Some sites are not being blocked. I was told that it should usually work and in the future K9 will be updated to function more reliably, so I guess ymmv.
Post by: yitzf on September 18, 2015, 08:57:21 AM
There are easy ways around the others, but depending on your tech knowledge and what you want your filter to do, there are free options, such as Norton Family Security, Kids Safe Browser, Mobicip, Ranger, and Qustodio.
Just looked into Qustodio, and it has a pretty big flaw. They try to address it, but it only helps on stock and Chrome browsers.
Post by: Iz on September 19, 2015, 08:35:59 PM
Post by: etech0 on September 20, 2015, 05:10:25 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
I think that flaw is in any filter which is not its own browser, aside from Livigent and Netspark.
Just looked into Qustodio, and it has a pretty big flaw. They try to address it, but it only helps on stock and Chrome browsers.
Post by: DanH on September 20, 2015, 05:18:03 PM
Can I set k9 to block all websites until I enter the password?yes
block all categories
Post by: yitzf on September 20, 2015, 05:19:23 PM
I think that flaw is in any filter which is not its own browser, aside from Livigent and Netspark.Correct
That's why I switched to netspark.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 05:19:34 PM
yes+1
block all categories
Except that it is annoying, and is not necessarily very useful if you're trying to filter for yourself, depending on how much of a deterrent you want/need.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 05:22:56 PM
CorrectHow's it working for you?
That's why I switched to netspark.
Post by: yitzf on September 20, 2015, 05:35:09 PM
How's it working for you?Good question.
I just got it on Friday, I don't notice it slowing me down.
Post by: etech0 on September 20, 2015, 05:40:52 PM
+1I know it'll be annoying :) that's why I pushed it off 'til now. But it's not for me
Except that it is annoying, and is not necessarily very useful if you're trying to filter for yourself, depending on how much of a deterrent you want/need.
yesThe thing is that once I log in, I want the 'default' level of protection. Will I still have it?
block all categories
Thanks!
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 05:45:55 PM
I know it'll be annoying :) that's why I pushed it off 'til now. But it's not for meThe thing is that once I log in, I want the 'default' level of protection. Will I still have it?No, you're not "logging in", you're allowing each site to go through as you need it.
Thanks!
What you probably want is two separate filters, one to block everything, and one set at your desired filter level.
Post by: etech0 on September 20, 2015, 05:49:31 PM
What you probably want is two separate filters, one to block everything, and one set at your desired filter level.That makes sense. Is there another filter that plays nicely with k9?
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 05:55:13 PM
I haven't tried any combination of K9/Norton/Qustodio/Mobicip, so I don't know if those will play nicely together.
Post by: yitzf on September 20, 2015, 05:56:32 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 05:57:55 PM
One issue could be connecting to an optimum hotspot. If your phone is registered it shouldn't be a problem, but it seems that Netspark won't let you load the signin page to manually login.
What if you use the Optimum registration app?
Post by: yitzf on September 20, 2015, 06:00:34 PM
Not sure, but if that would work you would only need to do it once because the app registers the device.
What if you use the Optimum registration app?
Post by: etech0 on September 20, 2015, 06:01:28 PM
Open DNS. It is easy to get through/around, but I use it as a second line of defense, and might serve your purpose as well.Which level would that take care of? Blocking everything, or filtering out what I don't want?
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Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 06:58:13 PM
Which level would that take care of? Blocking everything, or filtering out what I don't want?You could do either, but you were talking about using K9 to block everything, so I was thinking for you to use OpenDNS for the filtering level.
ty
You could then set K9 in supervisor mode for a set amount of time, and still not accidentally end up where you don't want to because of OpenDNS.
K9 is more secure than OpenDNS, so use it for whichever type of filtering you're using for (I assume) your kids.
Post by: etech0 on September 20, 2015, 07:29:39 PM
You could do either, but you were talking about using K9 to block everything, so I was thinking for you to use OpenDNS for the filtering level.Would it work to use it the other way around? (I have custom whitelists/blacklists set up in k9 that I'd rather not redo if I don't have to).
You could then set K9 in supervisor mode for a set amount of time, and still not accidentally end up where you don't want to because of OpenDNS.
K9 is more secure than OpenDNS, so use it for whichever type of filtering you're using for (I assume) your kids.
Thanks!
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 07:35:51 PM
Try it. If I'm wrong and there is, great. If not, you should be able to manually copy your whitelist and blacklist to OpenDNS on a one time basis.
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 20, 2015, 08:19:37 PM
Post by: kracked dude on September 20, 2015, 08:20:13 PM
Is qustodio supposed to be good?Not recommended IMHO
Post by: Cheesecake on September 20, 2015, 08:23:19 PM
Not recommended IMHOWindows or Android?
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 20, 2015, 08:35:15 PM
Not recommended IMHOeven for iphone?
Post by: kracked dude on September 20, 2015, 08:52:55 PM
Windows or Android?My personal experience is only with qustodio on Android
Post by: DMYD on September 20, 2015, 08:57:27 PM
My personal experience is only with qustodio on AndroidI use it on an android, what type of problems are you experiencing?
Post by: Ephraimh on September 20, 2015, 08:57:56 PM
even for iphone?Had it on iPhone, wouldn't recommend it, too many loopholes.
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 20, 2015, 09:11:47 PM
Had it on iPhone, wouldn't recommend it, too many loopholes.Serious loopholes?
Post by: DMYD on September 20, 2015, 09:21:50 PM
Had it on iPhone, wouldn't recommend it, too many loopholes.I wasn't looking for loopholes
Post by: Moshe123 on September 20, 2015, 09:23:37 PM
Post by: Ephraimh on September 20, 2015, 09:23:55 PM
Serious loopholes?Sites that livigent [understandably] blocks, would slip through with them.
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 20, 2015, 09:32:11 PM
Sites that livigent [understandably] blocks, would slip through with them.so all said and done, what is the best one for iphone?
Post by: Ephraimh on September 20, 2015, 09:40:27 PM
so all said and done, what is the best one for iphone?Livigent
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 20, 2015, 09:42:04 PM
Livigentwho sells it? (doesn't seem like they sell direct...)
Post by: Ephraimh on September 20, 2015, 09:42:48 PM
who sells it? (doesn't seem like they sell direct...)Tag, geder, Meshimer
Post by: kracked dude on September 20, 2015, 09:47:07 PM
Post by: shlonx on September 20, 2015, 09:49:21 PM
Post by: pcgeek on September 20, 2015, 09:51:26 PM
Does anyone know of a free, reliable computer filter that restricts access at certain times of the day? AFAIK, only K9 does, and that's what I'm using, but it causes terrible problems. Every once in once in a while, as soon as I connect to the internet, the BSOD comes up and the computer restarts, saying that the was some type of registry error with bckd.sys (which is K9). It's really annoying, and I'd really love to delete it, but I can't find anything else with time-based restrictions.Parental controls on windows?
Post by: avromie7 on September 20, 2015, 11:47:58 PM
Sites that livigent [understandably] blocks, would slip through with them.Thats not called a loophole that has to do with the way categories work and no filter is perfect. I've been using Qustodio for more than 18 months and am very happy with it.
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 20, 2015, 11:49:38 PM
Thats not called a loophole that has to do with the way categories work and no filter is perfect. I've been using Qustodio for more than 18 months and am very happy with it.some people like loopholes ;D ;D
Post by: avromie7 on September 20, 2015, 11:50:01 PM
Not recommended IMHOWhy don't you recommend qustodio?
Post by: kracked dude on September 20, 2015, 11:51:05 PM
Why don't you recommend qustodio?Pm me
Post by: Ephraimh on September 21, 2015, 12:02:38 AM
Thats not called a loophole that has to do with the way categories work and no filter is perfect. I've been using Qustodio for more than 18 months and am very happy with it.Agreed.
Livigent is "more perfect" than Qustodio though.
Post by: Aron27 on September 21, 2015, 01:38:47 PM
I'm on netspark and I'm very happy with it... All the loopholes that I've found in other filters are non existant here.I found big loopholes using netspark. They say they were having problems with the Motorola Androids..
Sites that livigent [understandably] blocks, would slip through with them.
Agreed.
Livigent is "more perfect" than Qustodio though.
Post by: blerbz on September 21, 2015, 11:07:55 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on September 21, 2015, 11:46:40 PM
Seems that Qustodio is not blocking or tracking anything on my phone when using Chrome incognito. Is there a way to change that?There's a setting for incognito which shuts the browser down if you use incognito, but it doesn't work well.
The way to change that is to use Netspark or Livigent instead, or at least a filtered browser such as Ranger, Mobicip, or Kiddoware Kids Safe and block the stock and Chrome browsers with an app lock.
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 01:53:47 AM
There's a setting for incognito which shuts the browser down if you use incognito, but it doesn't work well.Qustudio itself has an app lock that you can use to lock the play store (and Amazon app store if you have it).
The way to change that is to use Netspark or Livigent instead, or at least a filtered browser such as Ranger, Mobicip, or Kiddoware Kids Safe and block the stock and Chrome browsers with an app lock.
Post by: blerbz on September 22, 2015, 07:02:17 AM
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 07:44:55 AM
Qustudio itself has an app lock that you can use to lock the play store (and Amazon app store if you have it).That still leaves the browser open.
Mobicip also has an app lock, or you can download a stand alone app lock, such as Smart App Lock.
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 09:29:42 AM
That still leaves the browser open.Why can't you lock the browser too?
Mobicip also has an app lock, or you can download a stand alone app lock, such as Smart App Lock.
Post by: blerbz on September 22, 2015, 09:43:31 AM
Post by: Yammer on September 22, 2015, 10:09:05 AM
Is qustodio supposed to be good?The one issue with qustodio,
the person with the password sees every website that you used, how much time you spend in each app etc.
I need a filter that doesn't give the person with the password ALL that info. One that just filters, and gives the info of questionable sites visited.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 10:11:13 AM
Why can't you lock the browser too?Then you won't have a browser.
Post by: Yammer on September 22, 2015, 10:11:33 AM
True, but meshimer has it highly fine-tuned for our crowd's needs.With Mishimer, Ok Google doesn't work. I use it all day ( and night ) for reminders.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 10:11:47 AM
I want to be able to use chrome though. Any way to do that?Not as far as I know.
In theory, turning the incognito setting on should work, but it doesn't detect accurately.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 10:15:05 AM
The one issue with qustodio,Norton? Web Chaver?
the person with the password sees every website that you used, how much time you spend in each app etc.
I need a filter that doesn't give the person with the password ALL that info. One that just filters, and gives the info of questionable sites visited.
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 10:21:06 AM
Then you won't have a browser.Just lock stock and chrome, and leave the filtered browser open.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 10:22:17 AM
Just lock stock and chrome, and leave the filtered browser open.The you don't need Qustodio, except if you want monitoring.
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 10:23:09 AM
The you don't need Qustodio, except if you want monitoring.True
Post by: Yammer on September 22, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
Norton? Web Chaver?I'm using net nanny.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 10:24:46 AM
I'm using net nanny.Is that the same software as Web Chaver?
Post by: avromie7 on September 22, 2015, 01:26:11 PM
Just lock stock and chrome, and leave the filtered browser open.There are many many other browsers
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 01:29:51 PM
There are many many other browsersBut those aren't installed by default.
Are there any which are filtered by Qustodia and don't have incognito mode?
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 01:43:28 PM
There are many many other browsersSee my comments above, you need to lock the play store also.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 02:09:22 PM
See my comments above, you need to lock the play store also.It all depends on how motivated the device holder is to access bad sites.
There are ways of installing even if Play Store is locked.
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 02:29:53 PM
It all depends on how motivated the device holder is to access bad sites.Then what is the point of the filter?
There are ways of installing even if Play Store is locked.
I know what you mean ( don't want to spell it out), is there any way to lock that option?
Post by: pcgeek on September 22, 2015, 02:31:17 PM
Then what is the point of the filter?Block file explorers?
I know what you mean ( don't want to spell it out), is there any way to lock that option?
Post by: Cheesecake on September 22, 2015, 02:34:55 PM
Then what is the point of the filter?There are still two reasons to filter: to not inadvertently access bad stuff, and to make it more difficult, which is helpful.
I know what you mean ( don't want to spell it out), is there any way to lock that option?
Lock the settings.
Post by: avromie7 on September 22, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
Then what is the point of the filter?As the saying goes, locks are not made for thieves
I know what you mean ( don't want to spell it out), is there any way to lock that option?
Post by: yitzf on September 22, 2015, 03:19:23 PM
There are still two reasons to filter: to not inadvertently access bad stuff, and to make it more difficult, which is helpful.Good point. I saw that option to lock all the settings.
Lock the settings.
Post by: Iz on September 23, 2015, 09:21:29 PM
Also, is there a filter available for a Blackberry (I know, old fashioned...)? The only thing I'm aware of is GYE, which is not a filter; it completely disables the browse.
Thanks.
Post by: avromie7 on September 23, 2015, 09:25:47 PM
I've had a lot of trouble with K9 on my computer ("resolving host", see above...). What other filter is recommended that should not make trouble? I want a filter on the computer; not a third party that sees everything (like Nativ).Try running malwarebytes and reinstalling k9
Also, is there a filter available for a Blackberry (I know, old fashioned...)? The only thing I'm aware of is GYE, which is not a filter; it completely disables the browse.
Thanks.
Post by: Iz on September 23, 2015, 09:55:30 PM
Try running malwarebytes and reinstalling k9Thanks for replying, but I really had enough with k9. A/t else I could use?
Post by: Cheesecake on September 23, 2015, 09:58:27 PM
Thanks for replying, but I really had enough with k9. A/t else I could use?Mobicip, Qustodio.
Post by: Iz on September 23, 2015, 10:02:45 PM
Mobicip, Qustodio.Thanks for replying.
Which would you recommend? Looking for simple, invisible, and preferably free.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 23, 2015, 10:11:48 PM
I threw out a couple of ideas to try, but I can't really give a recommendation.
Post by: yochiek93 on September 23, 2015, 10:54:34 PM
Also, is there a filter available for a Blackberry (I know, old fashioned...)? The only thing I'm aware of is GYE, which is not a filter; it completely disables the browser.try tag my friend has it he says its great.
Thanks.
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 23, 2015, 11:00:55 PM
try tag my friend has it he says its great.+1 tag is usually very good.
Post by: Iz on September 23, 2015, 11:08:56 PM
try tag my friend has it he says its great.IIRC all they offer is GYE. Am I mistaken?
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on September 24, 2015, 01:21:18 PM
IIRC all they offer is GYE. Am I mistaken?You explain your situation and preferences to them and they'll find the right option that'll work for you.
Post by: cubicles on September 24, 2015, 02:15:19 PM
IIRC all they offer is GYE. Am I mistaken?Kids safe browser
Post by: Iz on September 24, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
You explain your situation and preferences to them and they'll find the right option that'll work for you.Nope. I was right. I guess it's time to join this century.
Post by: Iz on September 24, 2015, 03:20:54 PM
Nope. I was right. I guess it's time to join this century.Any recommendations for an Android phone? I'd like one with a real keyboard. I have VZW prepaid, and I'd like to keep it. So I would buy my own phone online. Where is the best place to buy? Amazon? Ebay? Somewhere else? All suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
Post by: Cheesecake on September 24, 2015, 03:48:55 PM
Nope. I was right. I guess it's time to join this century.Isn't there a way to load Android apps on to a Blackberry?
Post by: Cheesecake on September 24, 2015, 03:50:14 PM
Any recommendations for an Android phone? I'd like one with a real keyboard. I have VZW prepaid, and I'd like to keep it. So I would buy my own phone online. Where is the best place to buy? Amazon? Ebay? Somewhere else? All suggestions are welcome. Thanks.I don't think there are too many Androids with a physical keyboard. Blackberry is supposed to be coming out with one.
Post by: etech0 on October 01, 2015, 06:08:34 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on October 01, 2015, 06:11:51 PM
Any recommendations how to block internet completely on win 10?I haven't tried it, but perhaps k-9 with settings to block all categories/websites?
Nativ should have something as well.
Post by: etech0 on October 01, 2015, 07:52:46 PM
I haven't tried it, but perhaps k-9 with settings to block all categories/websites?We want something that can block in-app ads / whatever
Nativ should have something as well.
Post by: avromie7 on October 01, 2015, 08:34:00 PM
Any recommendations how to block internet completely on win 10?Remove the network card
Post by: etech0 on October 01, 2015, 09:18:08 PM
Remove the network cardcan't you still use a wifi stick?
Post by: avromie7 on October 01, 2015, 11:59:12 PM
can't you still use a wifi stick?true
Post by: Cheesecake on October 02, 2015, 12:02:33 AM
trueSo if you tried my idea with K-9 (and it worked with Windows 10) AND removed the network card, the risk is that someone could plug in a WiFi stick in order to access in-app ads.
Post by: Thingywingy on October 02, 2015, 01:08:48 PM
Post by: etech0 on October 03, 2015, 10:53:16 PM
So if you tried my idea with K-9 (and it worked with Windows 10) AND removed the network card, the risk is that someone could plug in a WiFi stick in order to access in-app ads.True - it's just a lot of steps, and we'll have to put the network card back in when the adults want to get online to update antivirus / whatever.
Does anyone know what filter tag is recommending these days?
Post by: Cheesecake on October 03, 2015, 10:55:14 PM
True - it's just a lot of steps, and we'll have to put the network card back in when the adults want to get online to update antivirus / whatever.Nativ
Does anyone know what filter tag is recommending these days?
Post by: etech0 on October 03, 2015, 10:57:28 PM
Nativthanks!
Post by: Cheesecake on October 03, 2015, 11:01:38 PM
thanks!Sure. I should clarify that I heard this in August, and things may have changed, especially with Windows 10.
Post by: etech0 on October 03, 2015, 11:02:44 PM
Sure. I should clarify that I heard this in August, and things may have changed, especially with Windows 10.I think I have an email address for them somewhere; maybe I'll just ask them.
Post by: Iz on October 04, 2015, 09:05:21 AM
Nativand Lividen.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 07, 2015, 12:38:21 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on October 07, 2015, 03:52:43 PM
Sorry for being lazy. Are there any free filtering options for Android? Are they any good? I wanted to use K9 but it basically bricked my phone (browser keeps launching, immediately hanging, and eventually crashing - can't uninstall without deactivating first and can't deactivate because it hangs and crashes) and necessitated a factory reset.Mobicip, Kids' Safe Browser.
Post by: cubicles on October 07, 2015, 04:45:23 PM
Sorry for being lazy. Are there any free filtering options for Android?yes Are they any good?no I wanted to use K9 but it basically bricked my phone (browser keeps launching, immediately hanging, and eventually crashing - can't uninstall without deactivating first and can't deactivate because it hangs and crashes) and necessitated a factory reset.
Post by: Iz on October 07, 2015, 08:16:24 PM
Sorry for being lazy. Are there any free filtering options for Android? Are they any good? I wanted to use K9 but it basically bricked my phone (browser keeps launching, immediately hanging, and eventually crashing - can't uninstall without deactivating first and can't deactivate because it hangs and crashes) and necessitated a factory reset.Tag recommends Netspark. I have no experience with it.
Post by: Cheesecake on October 07, 2015, 08:17:42 PM
Tag recommends Netspark. I have no experience with it.Netspark is not free, but TAG recommends it because it is better.
Post by: Ephraimh on October 07, 2015, 08:30:11 PM
Netspark is not free, but TAG recommends it because it's actually a filter unlike most of the others.FTFY
Post by: Cheesecake on October 07, 2015, 08:34:19 PM
FTFYHow do you mean?
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 10, 2015, 11:00:09 PM
Post by: yochiek93 on October 10, 2015, 11:05:57 PM
Best filter for an iphone?ive always heard the parental controls on iphone are great
Post by: David Smith on October 10, 2015, 11:08:34 PM
ive always heard the parental controls on iphone are greatAs a filter, or to block internet access?
Post by: avromie7 on October 10, 2015, 11:54:38 PM
As a filter, or to block internet access?
Best filter for an iphone?Apple's built in restrictions are the best, they are far better than any android filter
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 11, 2015, 01:03:32 AM
Apple's built in restrictions are the best, they are far better than any android filterthanks!
Post by: cubicles on October 11, 2015, 03:00:38 PM
Apple's built in restrictions are the best, they are far better than any android filteras a Filter Livigent would be a better option
Post by: Ephraimh on October 11, 2015, 03:14:45 PM
far better than any android filterdoes not =
the best
Post by: avromie7 on October 11, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
as a Filter Livigent would be a better optionWhat makes you say livegent is better?
Post by: YudiG on October 20, 2015, 08:58:04 AM
basically like rimon internet but something 3rd party
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 20, 2015, 09:00:27 AM
is there a filter that can protect a wifi router?Opendns is free - also a great product i stumbled across recently is internet guide by dyn, which includes the ability to whitelist/blacklist and only costs $10 a year.
basically like rimon internet but something 3rd party
Post by: avromie7 on October 20, 2015, 09:02:53 AM
Opendns is free - also a great product i stumbled across recently is internet guide by dyn, which includes the ability to whitelist/blacklist and only costs $10 a year.Just realize that opendns is extremely easy to bypass
Post by: YudiG on October 20, 2015, 09:07:05 AM
Opendns is free - also a great product i stumbled across recently is internet guide by dyn, which includes the ability to whitelist/blacklist and only costs $10 a year.
thx
will open dns work with netvision netbox in israel?
Post by: YudiG on October 20, 2015, 09:19:25 AM
Just realize that opendns is extremely easy to bypass
so whats a better option?
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 20, 2015, 09:21:29 AM
Just realize that opendns is extremely easy to bypassnot if you setup the firewall well.
Post by: yitrap on October 20, 2015, 11:16:48 AM
so whats a better option?Safeeyes has an option for router based protection iirc, never tried getting around it so I don't know how good it is. Does cost money
Post by: pcgeek on October 20, 2015, 02:12:17 PM
not if you setup the firewall well.Can you elaborate?
Post by: Thingywingy on October 20, 2015, 03:32:20 PM
Post by: yochiek93 on October 20, 2015, 03:35:32 PM
I signed up for webchaver so I dont have the loopholes with K9. K9 is not compatible with Webchaver. Any free tools to put in times limit on internet activity?Doest webchaver have a filter as well that can do it
Post by: Thingywingy on October 20, 2015, 03:44:32 PM
Doest webchaver have a filter as well that can do itYeah but only if you get the filter for another $2/month.
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 20, 2015, 05:08:34 PM
Can you elaborate?Sure - I wont elaborate on the way around it - but this is how the firewall should be setup for opendns
Opendns - 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 - Allowed - Port 53 - UDP
All others - * - Blocked - Port 53 - UDP
Post by: Yammer on October 28, 2015, 12:55:56 AM
Post by: yochiek93 on October 28, 2015, 01:02:39 AM
Do all filters monitor your history, or do they simply have a system which won't allow you to access certain sites?Seems like the latter
Post by: Yammer on October 28, 2015, 01:05:11 AM
Seems like the latterNot so sure.
I've heard from people that there are some that do.
My question is whether Netspark monitors
Post by: kracked dude on October 28, 2015, 01:06:28 AM
Not so sure.I don't think they do but I'll need to check for sure on the desktop site....
I've heard from people that there are some that do.
My question is whether Netspark monitors
Post by: Yammer on October 28, 2015, 01:08:15 AM
I don't think they do but I'll need to check for sure on the desktop site....I checked the desktop website, there is no mention of monitoring. But I still wonder whether they do.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on October 28, 2015, 01:09:44 AM
Seems like the latterDon't think that's the case with K9. CMIIW.
Post by: kracked dude on October 28, 2015, 01:12:28 AM
I checked the desktop website, there is no mention of monitoring. But I still wonder whether they do.Just checked also, don't see any way to access browsing history etc... Guess ur best bet would be is to email them and ask... FWIW I highly recommend netspark
Post by: Yammer on October 28, 2015, 01:15:17 AM
Just checked also, don't see any way to access browsing history etc... Guess ur best bet would be is to email them and ask... FWIW I highly recommend netsparkThanks
Post by: DanH on October 28, 2015, 05:57:58 AM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on October 28, 2015, 04:55:02 PM
K9 saves all internet history+1 Wondering if there's any way of deleting it.
Post by: DanH on October 28, 2015, 06:13:47 PM
+1 Wondering if there's any way of deleting it.Not without the password. Officially..
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on October 28, 2015, 06:15:52 PM
Not without the password. Officially..I mean with the password, of course.
Post by: pcgeek on October 28, 2015, 08:04:20 PM
Sure - I wont elaborate on the way around it - but this is how the firewall should be setup for opendnsTesting it out on my own computer, I can't get it to work. In the first (outbound) rule I blocked local port 53, and in the second (outbound) rule I allowed local port 53 only to opendns IP addresses (reverse order than the way you wrote it above). Then I switched the dns server to google dns, and I can still access any site. Should I set it to REMOTE port 53, or am I doing something else wrong?
Opendns - 208.67.222.222, 208.67.220.220 - Allowed - Port 53 - UDP
All others - * - Blocked - Port 53 - UDP
TIA
Post by: blerbz on October 28, 2015, 10:53:51 PM
I mean with the password, of course.Just login to Admin and delete history
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 29, 2015, 12:00:32 AM
Testing it out on my own computer, I can't get it to work. In the first (outbound) rule I blocked local port 53, and in the second (outbound) rule I allowed local port 53 only to opendns IP addresses (reverse order than the way you wrote it above). Then I switched the dns server to google dns, and I can still access any site. Should I set it to REMOTE port 53, or am I doing something else wrong?you are using windows built in firewall?
TIA
Post by: pcgeek on October 29, 2015, 12:03:51 AM
you are using windows built in firewall?Correct.
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 29, 2015, 12:06:15 AM
Correct.i'm not so familiar with how that works, this may help you.
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/windows-firewall-with-advanced-security-guide-for-vista.239750/
Post by: pcgeek on October 29, 2015, 12:08:35 AM
i'm not so familiar with how that works, this may help you.Thank you. Just curious what kind of firewall you're using
http://www.wilderssecurity.com/threads/windows-firewall-with-advanced-security-guide-for-vista.239750/
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 29, 2015, 12:10:22 AM
Thank you. Just curious what kind of firewall you're usingI deal with enterprise grade equipment usually - E.G. Cisco Ubiquiti etc...
Post by: pcgeek on October 29, 2015, 12:15:17 AM
I deal with enterprise grade equipment usually - E.G. Cisco Ubiquiti etc...Cool
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 29, 2015, 12:16:42 AM
Cooland somehow their firewalls are generally simpler then windows firewall seems (at a quick glance) go figure.
Post by: joe1234 on October 29, 2015, 11:23:38 PM
Post by: DanH on October 30, 2015, 04:35:37 AM
any good ideas for filter for iMac?http://www.venishmartem.com/devices/computers/mac
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 11:32:07 AM
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 11:33:34 AM
Do I really need to delete my browsing history to enable opendns?No. Where do you see that?
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 11:40:05 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xXv1p1p.png)
And when I click to test my settings
(http://i.imgur.com/ldeKDZd.png)
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 11:45:28 AM
https://support.opendns.com/entries/62437360-FIOS-Quantum-Gateway-G1100
(http://i.imgur.com/xXv1p1p.png)
And when I click to test my settings
(http://i.imgur.com/ldeKDZd.png)
Perhaps to set it up...
I am using OpenDNS and never need to flush my browser.
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 11:48:12 AM
Perhaps to set it up...That's what I'm trying to do
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 11:49:46 AM
That's what I'm trying to do
If you don't want to lose browsing history, try logging out or using a different browser.
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 11:50:58 AM
logging out of what?
If you don't want to lose browsing history, try logging out or using a different browser.
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 11:51:57 AM
logging out of what?Chrome, if that's what you use. You can then log in again and have your history.
I think Firefox works the same way.
Post by: Yammer on November 01, 2015, 11:54:53 AM
Chrome, if that's what you use. You can then log in again and have your history.Good idea.
I think Firefox works the same way.
For the setup you will need to flush.
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2015, 11:55:11 AM
https://support.opendns.com/entries/62437360-FIOS-Quantum-Gateway-G1100Browser cache is not history
(http://i.imgur.com/xXv1p1p.png)
And when I click to test my settings
(http://i.imgur.com/ldeKDZd.png)
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 11:55:35 AM
Chrome, if that's what you use. You can then log in again and have your history.browsing chrome as a guest didn't help. I couldn't figure out how to log out of chrome totally
I think Firefox works the same way.
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
browsing chrome as a guest didn't help. I couldn't figure out how to log out of chrome totallyDid you then flush?
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:01:48 PM
Did you then flush?yes. I tried IE too (after deleting e/t) and it doesn't either work
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:02:57 PM
yesI'm not sure if browsing as a guest is the same as logging out.
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2015, 12:03:51 PM
browsing chrome as a guest didn't help. I couldn't figure out how to log out of chrome totallyIts in the settings, right at the top of the settings page.
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:05:10 PM
Its in the settings, right at the top of the settings page.hmm seems that I'm not signed in currently
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:05:17 PM
yes. I tried IE too (after deleting e/t) and it doesn't either workI'm thinking that you're having a different issue, I don't know what
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:06:51 PM
I'm thinking that you're having a different issue, I don't know what:( thanks for trying!
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 12:13:38 PM
:( thanks for trying!Did you flush the cache in BOTH chrome and cmd?
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2015, 12:13:46 PM
:( thanks for trying!You can use ccleaner to clean it out just make sure to unchecked anything you want to keep
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:14:44 PM
Did you flush the cache in BOTH chrome and cmd?yes
You can use ccleaner to clean it out just make sure to unchecked anything you want to keepthen how will I know if it didn't help because of the stuff I saved? (I already cleared cache and cookies, but not history etc except in chrome guest and in IE)
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2015, 12:15:16 PM
yesthen how will I know if it didn't help because of the stuff I saved? (I already cleared cache and cookies, but not history etc except in chrome guest and in IE)Did you flush DNS?
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:15:49 PM
Did you flush DNS?yes in CMD. How do I do that in chrome?
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2015, 12:16:23 PM
yesRestart your computer and try again
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:17:21 PM
Restart your computer and try againAlso, check if OpenDNS is working on a WiFi connected device.
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:18:09 PM
Restart your computer and try againwill do
Also, check if OpenDNS is working on a WiFi connected device.that's what I'm using
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:30:37 PM
Restart your computer and try againstill not working
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:31:34 PM
still not workingDouble check all of the numbers?
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:33:43 PM
Double check all of the numbers?yep
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 12:35:21 PM
yepAre you using VPN or proxy?
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:36:11 PM
Are you using VPN or proxy?no
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:36:16 PM
Are you using VPN or proxy?Some device filters use a proxy...
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:37:01 PM
Some device filters use a proxy...I'm on a laptop - is that what you are referring to?
I also currently have k9 installed - would that interfere with opendns?
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
I'm on a laptop - is that what you are referring to?It shouldn't
I also currently have k9 installed - would that interfere with opendns?
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:39:21 PM
I'm on a laptop - is that what you are referring to?I set mine up with a computer connected to the router through ethernet.
I also currently have k9 installed - would that interfere with opendns?
K9 doesn't use a proxy, but perhaps might be interfering in set up.
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:40:35 PM
It shouldn'tIt didn't for me, but could a setting in k9 be different than mine was, and cause an issue?
Post by: DanH on November 01, 2015, 12:50:10 PM
yepdownload this -http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/quick_set_dns.html
and set opendns through that
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:54:55 PM
download this -http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/quick_set_dns.htmlThanks - that did it!!!
and set opendns through that
Am I supposed to download this? https://support.opendns.com/entries/23218654-Where-do-I-download-an-OpenDNS-Dynamic-IP-updater-client-
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 12:56:42 PM
Thanks - that did it!!!
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 12:57:34 PM
Thanks - that did it!!!Yes unless you have a static ip address from your ISP
Am I supposed to download this? https://support.opendns.com/entries/23218654-Where-do-I-download-an-OpenDNS-Dynamic-IP-updater-client-
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 12:57:46 PM
thanks for everyone's help!
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 01, 2015, 01:57:35 PM
Yes unless you have a static ip address from your ISP+1 that way OPENDNS has your current IP, also the command to flush your dns if things are going a little weird is "ipconfig /flushdns"
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 02:04:35 PM
Yes unless you have a static ip address from your ISPand I need to install it on every computer in the network?
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 02:05:38 PM
and I need to install it on every computer in the network?No. One computer is sufficient. Install it on the one that you use most.
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 02:06:42 PM
No. One computer is sufficient. Install it on the one that you use most.that makes sense. thanks!
Post by: DanH on November 01, 2015, 02:12:29 PM
Thanks - that did it!!!Just realize that only your computer is currently configued to use OpenDNS. This program did not configure your router.
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 03:03:48 PM
Just realize that only your computer is currently configued to use OpenDNS. This program did not configure your router.even though i followed opendns's instructions to install it on the router? (logged into the router and set the ips for dns)
I want to get it installed on my router. how do I do that?
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 03:51:03 PM
even though i followed opendns's instructions to install it on the router? (logged into the router and set the ips for dns)First test on a different device. For example, set filtering rules to block social networking, and try Facebook on a phone or tablet.
I want to get it installed on my router. how do I do that?
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 01, 2015, 04:00:27 PM
I installed netspark just to check it out..
Now device is acting mental, developer mode on/off. Everything is blocked and when I wanna uninstall I get this!
How do I get rid of this?
Post by: aygart on November 01, 2015, 04:31:05 PM
First test on a different device. For example, set filtering rules to block social networking, and try Facebook on a phone or tablet.Or you can just use their test web addresses
welcome.opendns.com
internetbadguys.com
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 04:33:25 PM
Or you can just use their test web addressesDidn't know those. That would be a better idea.
welcome.opendns.com
internetbadguys.com
Post by: yochiek93 on November 01, 2015, 04:35:38 PM
HELP!This might help
I installed netspark just to check it out..
Now device is acting mental, developer mode on/off. Everything is blocked and when I wanna uninstall I get this!
How do I get rid of this?
http://www.netsparkmobile.com/support/en/installation/uninstalling/54-uninstall.html
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 04:39:16 PM
Or you can just use their test web addressesit worked - on both computers! BH :)
welcome.opendns.com
internetbadguys.com
Post by: aygart on November 01, 2015, 04:39:56 PM
Or you can just use their test web addressesOne more
welcome.opendns.com
internetbadguys.com
http://www.exampleadultsite.com/ (http://www.exampleadultsite.com/)
Post by: Cheesecake on November 01, 2015, 04:40:15 PM
it worked - on both computers! BH :)
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 04:41:35 PM
:)
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 08:01:03 PM
One moreThanks. This is definitely better than my previous filter testing method...
http://www.exampleadultsite.com/ (http://www.exampleadultsite.com/)
Post by: etech0 on November 01, 2015, 08:01:52 PM
Thanks. This is definitely better than my previous filter testing method...of course I can't see what it looks like now :)
Post by: aygart on November 01, 2015, 08:06:07 PM
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2015, 09:52:00 PM
Thanks. This is definitely better than my previous filter testing method...I use 888.com
Post by: pcgeek on November 01, 2015, 09:53:14 PM
I use 888.comThat only works if you're blocking gambling.
Post by: Thingywingy on November 04, 2015, 01:28:01 PM
If there is something with remote access that can be waived by an administrator that would be really great!?
Post by: pcgeek on November 04, 2015, 03:19:44 PM
I signed up for webchaver. K9 is not compatible with Webchaver. Any free tools to put in times limit on internet activity?Some routers have that feature built in. Can't hurt to check to see if you have it.
If there is something with remote access that can be waived by an administrator that would be really great!?
Post by: Thingywingy on November 04, 2015, 03:45:45 PM
Post by: Cheesecake on November 04, 2015, 05:08:27 PM
I signed up for webchaver. K9 is not compatible with Webchaver. Any free tools to put in times limit on internet activity?I think Qustodio might work for that.
If there is something with remote access that can be waived by an administrator that would be really great!?
Post by: zemz2005 on November 09, 2015, 11:29:07 PM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on November 10, 2015, 01:18:13 AM