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Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on April 08, 2014, 08:30:29 AM
I was approached by a friend regarding an awesome investment opportunity. Basically everyone in his Yeshiva is doing it and people already got their money back. He asked if his Rosh Yeshiva can call me to discuss.

I'm the curious type so I said sure.

Two minutes later he calls and starts explaining to me gow the deal works.

This company Sungames is valued at 6.1 Billion. They have patents and are on the way to development on some very advanced technology products and software. Primarily an "interface for governents to see the $ versues the € versue the Japanese whatever".

They have huge deals already made currently being audited so all capital is tied up.

They also have a 3D tablet which is market first. They are desperate to show sales so that the value of the company increases and the stock shoots up.

They are offering this tablet for $1000. There will be a $1000 rebate and a $500 educational grant. They will never send out the Tablets. You have to agree not to dispute once you get the rebate.

Basically this Rosh Yeshiva wanted me to swipe $50,000 on my credit card. I would get my money back along with a 10% return, he would keep the remainder of the grant.

He also mentioned that a very prominent not for profit had invested 4 Million in cash and already got all the money back.

I called the executive director of this organization and he told me he was approached and saw right through the scam. He refused to even take the guys second phone call.

However someone is saying that he invested $4,000,000 and that he sent lawyers down to go through the deal.

This Yeshiva collectively has swiped over $500,000 for this. They only received $175,000 back.

Based on the false claims of this reputable organization investing, and how this sounds way to good to be true, I called the Rosh Yeshiva back to tell him what I found.

However I dont think he took me seriously. I feel that I need to publicize this here and elsewhere.

Please pass this on so that maby many more don't end up losing alot of money on this.

Below is a sales receipt with very little information. Definitely not what you'd expect from a $6 billion company.

(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/08/de8e9uje.jpg)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on April 08, 2014, 08:39:14 AM
Just google Robert Kloihofer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: jaywhy on April 08, 2014, 09:17:02 AM
$6.1 billion valuation and they are looking for capital from individuals swiping credit cards....
If that doesn't set off every alarm bell in your head, you deserve to be scammed....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on April 08, 2014, 09:25:30 AM
Someone called me the other day to find out if he should do this. I had to scream and shout for an hour at the guy till I convinced him not to do it.

When will people learn?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: myb821 on April 08, 2014, 09:31:16 AM
Someone called me the other day to find out if he should do this. I had to scream and shout for an hour at the guy till I convinced him not to do it.

When will people learn?
Honestly, after they get burned (unfortunately).
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 08, 2014, 12:44:33 PM
I'm confused. Is the RY part of the scam, or is he trying to scam you based on the fact that he's being scammed himself and doesn't realize it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: HP58 on April 08, 2014, 12:58:04 PM
I'm confused. Is the RY part of the scam, or is he trying to scam you based on the fact that he's being scammed himself and doesn't realize it?
B.
Read the 4th and 3rd to last paragraphs.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on April 08, 2014, 01:10:52 PM
B.
Read the 4th and 3rd to last paragraphs.

I'm not sure that is quite true. At least I hope not.

He seems to be totally unaware of any risk, basically someone who is devoted to the Gemora and clueless about whats goes on in the world.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on April 08, 2014, 01:11:58 PM
On Tapatalk the paragraphs look much longer.......

Sorry for the hard to read format.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: The Metzuyan on April 08, 2014, 01:22:16 PM
I don't get it. Whats the scam? Is it that they don't give you the rebate? Well then dispute the charges. What am i missing?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 08, 2014, 01:24:29 PM
I don't get it. Whats the scam? Is it that they don't give you the rebate? Well then dispute the charges. What am i missing?
people aren't sure.
It's just that most people live by the adage "if its to good to be true..."
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: HP58 on April 08, 2014, 01:25:34 PM
I don't get it. Whats the scam? Is it that they don't give you the rebate? Well then dispute the charges. What am i missing?
I wonder if the form you signed not to dispute is enough for them to win the dispute?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: The Metzuyan on April 08, 2014, 01:27:21 PM
I wonder if the form you signed not to dispute is enough for them to win the dispute?
I think you only sign that you won't dispute after you get the rebate. See line 5 of the receipt.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: HP58 on April 08, 2014, 01:30:47 PM
I think you only sign that you won't dispute after you get the rebate. See line 5 of the receipt.
I see. Apparently this guy found enough suckers that don't dispute to make a living.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on April 08, 2014, 01:48:22 PM
I want to clarify that this Rosh Yeshiva didn't put this together. He seems to be a target as well.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 08, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
I'm not sure that is quite true. At least I hope not.

He seems to be totally unaware of any risk, basically someone who is devoted to the Gemora and clueless about whats goes on in the world.

i see. Completely devoted to the gemora but with it enough to call you up and offer to cut you in on the action?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on April 08, 2014, 03:09:53 PM

i see. Completely devoted to the gemora but with it enough to call you up and offer to cut you in on the action?

Lol.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mannypower on April 08, 2014, 11:29:57 PM
Clearly a scam. Someone's got to get through to the Rosh Yeshiva and tell him to stop the damage asap.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MILESDUDE on April 08, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
Hard to believe the RH isn't in on this deal?
You have to be moron to fall for this.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mannypower on April 08, 2014, 11:43:47 PM
I doubt the Rosh Yeshiva is in on it. He's gonna make a couple bucks and then what? Run to South America? He was probably conned into recruiting by being promised a percentage of what he brings in. It's a foolish mistake and people fall for these types of things all the time
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MILESDUDE on April 08, 2014, 11:45:38 PM
Hashem Yeazor...hope he can dispute the 350k that's owed to him
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 09, 2014, 08:35:42 AM
Paragraph about showing sales to boost the stock.

That is totally illegal. The are clearly fraudsters, its in their sales pitch!


And since when does an audit tie up 6b ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: dans fan on April 09, 2014, 12:54:58 PM
ohh these story make my stomach turn
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mannypower on April 09, 2014, 11:41:53 PM
Its real sad to see so many people fall for these things. Its common to fall for the typical small scams of "My car ran out of gas", or "My wife just gave birth and i need money for a bus to the hospital". Those are 3-5 dollar scams, to swipe a CC for someone for so much money and to use your position of respect to convince others to get involved as well is simply sad to see. There are bad people out there that have no issue with taking advantage of naive unsuspecting people.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on April 10, 2014, 12:41:44 AM
A friend approached me with this as well, he said he is trying to get money for his yeshiva (where he learns)through this.

He sent me a copy of his reciepts for 70k+ (he maxed out all his credit cards, he is so convinced). I couldn't find any flaw in his argument that even if it

is a scam, the credit card charges should be disputable, but the whole thing stinks!

 Considering that he told me they have been continuously extending the deadline for reimbursement a couple weeks already, plus the unprofessional

receipt (note that android is spelled "andrIOd"!!!) and the fact that the purchase is taken through a third party, just all stink like a scam! So i told him no way!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 10, 2014, 12:50:24 AM
wow... I cant believe people fall for such things...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on April 10, 2014, 06:35:33 AM
What's the issue? It seems to be an easy way to make $$$, and all of it for a great cause.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: CountValentine on April 10, 2014, 07:41:51 AM
He sent me a copy of his reciepts for 70k+ (he maxed out all his credit cards, he is so convinced). I couldn't find any flaw in his argument that even if it

is a scam, the credit card charges should be disputable, but the whole thing stinks!
What happens when the dispute is denied because it was for illegal activity?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on April 10, 2014, 08:26:59 AM
What happens when the dispute is denied because it was for illegal activity?
Why are you being such a negative person?? Our emotional projections towards a goal help influence it to occur.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 10, 2014, 08:33:51 AM
Why are you being such a negative person?? Our emotional projections towards a goal help influence it to occur.
I was going to ask if you were joking after your previous post, but you saved me the trouble   :o
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on April 10, 2014, 09:14:19 AM
I was going to ask if you were joking after your previous post, but you saved me the trouble   :o
:)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: alpicone on April 10, 2014, 09:18:21 AM
What's the issue? It seems to be an easy way to make $$$, and all of it for a great cause.

Also in easy way to meet a minimum spend threshold. Who needs CVS anymore for MS!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2014, 09:29:53 AM
I've heard that millions - many millions - of dollars have already been invested in this scam.

And now when Tomchei Shabbos' budget goes up, we'll understand.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on April 10, 2014, 09:48:13 AM
I want to clarify that this Rosh Yeshiva didn't put this together. He seems to be a target as well.

Says who? He CLAiMS he invested 500k? Maybe he IS the scammer.  Forget that, maybe your friend is in cahoots with him.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on April 10, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
just remember today any guy could open a yeshiva get 6 bochurim and call himself a rosh yeshiva. I understand thats the kind of rh we are talking about
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: steeeveknowsbest on April 10, 2014, 01:13:18 PM
just remember today any guy could open a yeshiva get 6 bochurim and call himself a rosh yeshiva. I understand thats the kind of rh we are talking about
Says who? He CLAiMS he invested 500k? Maybe he IS the scammer.  Forget that, maybe your friend is in cahoots with him.
Unfortuneately there are a whole bunch of yeshivos involved, i personally know two of the Rosh Yeshivos involved and while one of them is pretty young (low 40's) I believe that they are both chashuva wonderful honest people!

Before we cast stones at people, lets try and get some facts! There hasn't even been any actual scam (yet)!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 10, 2014, 01:41:33 PM
Unfortuneately there are a whole bunch of yeshivos involved, i personally know two of the Rosh Yeshivos involved and while one of them is pretty young (low 40's) I believe that they are both chashuva wonderful honest people!

Before we cast stones at people, lets try and get some facts! There hasn't even been any actual scam (yet)!

Trying to get people to put a lot of their own money into what is at best a get-rich-quick scheme is a scam in and of itself. What you mean is that there hasn't yet been credit card fraud. A little patience, and that will come too.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on April 10, 2014, 01:44:18 PM
This ain't gonna end well.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on April 10, 2014, 01:50:56 PM
Trying to get people to put a lot of their own money into what is at best a get-rich-quick scheme is a scam in and of itself. What you mean is that there hasn't yet been credit card fraud. A little patience, and that will come too.


+100

I find that lately the Yeshivas are putting the boys to work. Even if in a totally legitimate way I.e. fundraising, cooking, cleaning etc. The parents are sending their children to yeshiva to learn Torah. They are paying tuition to a Yeshiva to look after them. Besides for Purim it is unacceptable to send boys out collecting. Maybe allow them to put up a cholent for Friday night, but to cook a whole Shabbos??

How much more so to involve them in something like this. What does it teach them? How will the Rosh explain when everyone is in 25K debt due to this scam?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on April 10, 2014, 02:04:40 PM


+100

How will the Rosh explain when everyone is in 25K debt due to this scam?

Easy. Either it was a G'zairah min Hashomayim or Hester Panim.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 10, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
+1
The whole "make money for your shul" business, while it may not be an actual scam, is along the same lines and it doesn't strike me as proper either.... Take an unsuspecting guys personal info and mess around with it all in the name of Tzedakah?!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on April 10, 2014, 02:09:58 PM
Our generation is easy prey. We're all looking to make it without puting in the work.

Sadly this shortcut mentality seeems to be coming from those we entrust and pay to teach our children.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on April 10, 2014, 02:16:24 PM
The famous thief behind this scam (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3910.0) should be kicked out of our community and the RY involved should be named and shamed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on April 10, 2014, 02:25:05 PM
who is behind this scam and whats the connection to my harvest?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2014, 02:27:10 PM

This should be taught in First grade in every school before ABC: In every scam the first few mil is paid, everyone after that is on Tomchei Shabbos.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on April 10, 2014, 02:28:07 PM
who is behind this scam and whats the connection to my harvest?
Supposedly the same person that introduced MHA to our community -  introduced this scam as well. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on April 10, 2014, 02:37:15 PM
unbelievable, when are people gonna learn he has been behind most of the scams in this town!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 10, 2014, 02:39:35 PM
Supposedly the same person that introduced MHA to our community -  introduced this scam as well.
namely?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on April 10, 2014, 02:40:23 PM
namely?
What's that mean?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on April 10, 2014, 02:40:31 PM
Whoever has names of Yeshivas involved please post . We need to stop them right now

I hope this isnt another Lakewood thing . Second google hit on My Harvest America brings this up this result http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2011/05/my-harvest-america-files-for-bankrutpcy-many-in-lakewood-left-holding-worthless-cards.html
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 02:50:36 PM
Whoever has names of Yeshivas involved please post . We need to stop them right now
the yeshivas that are involved are not no name, here today gone tomorrow lakewood popups.
They are larger established institutions run by administrators and office managers that have way more experience than anyone here with these things.they have been there done that with these things countless times.
Theres nothing you can effectively do about it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 10, 2014, 02:52:36 PM
What's that mean?
it means what's the name of the person?
(I think)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on April 10, 2014, 02:56:11 PM
Whoever has names of Yeshivas involved please post . We need to stop them right now

I hope this isnt another Lakewood thing . Second google hit on My Harvest America brings this up this result http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2011/05/my-harvest-america-files-for-bankrutpcy-many-in-lakewood-left-holding-worthless-cards.html
+1.

While this post serves as a deterrent to those who see this thread, there needs to be a public outcry making them stop signing more innocent/clueless people up to this immediately!!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on April 10, 2014, 02:59:18 PM
the yeshivas that are involved are not no name, here today gone tomorrow lakewood popups.
They are larger established institutions run by administrators and office managers that have way more experience than anyone here with these things.they have been there done that with these things countless times.
Theres nothing you can effectively do about it.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Tell any sound minded board member that their institution is involved in a MLM scam ... Thats how
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: incendia on April 10, 2014, 03:08:14 PM

+100

I find that lately the Yeshivas are putting the boys to work. Even if in a totally legitimate way I.e. fundraising, cooking, cleaning etc. The parents are sending their children to yeshiva to learn Torah. They are paying tuition to a Yeshiva to look after them. Besides for Purim it is unacceptable to send boys out collecting. Maybe allow them to put up a cholent for Friday night, but to cook a whole Shabbos??

How much more so to involve them in something like this. What does it teach them? How will the Rosh explain when everyone is in 25K debt due to this scam?

Why is it ok on Purim?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 03:10:12 PM
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Tell any sound minded board member that their institution is involved in a MLM scam ... Thats how
if it is then they are quite aware. But under the perception that they will still get their money
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on April 10, 2014, 03:11:05 PM
if it is then they are quite aware. But under the perception that they will still get their money
Watch them change their minds when people start calling and telling them off.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DrDanny on April 10, 2014, 03:13:12 PM
They plan on making money through a 3D tablet which is a market first?
Someone should tell amazon cause they thinks they have one already. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00DJY9PMI?pc_redir=1396985652&robot_redir=1
..... Not that this didn't stink like rotten fish already.
Also if your trying to make it look like they have sales so their stock prices go up you're manipulating the market which is a Federal offense.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on April 10, 2014, 08:49:48 PM
I'd contribute to a yated ad pledging to not bail out the yeshivos involved
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on April 10, 2014, 09:09:43 PM
I'd contribute to a yated ad pledging to not bail out the yeshivos involved
count me in
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on April 10, 2014, 09:16:23 PM
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Tell any sound minded board member that their institution is involved in a MLM scam ... Thats how
+100

the yeshivas that are involved are not no name, here today gone tomorrow lakewood popups.
They are larger established institutions run by administrators and office managers that have way more experience than anyone here with these things.they have been there done that with these things countless times.
Theres nothing you can effectively do about it.
Lol. 

First of all,  there are plenty of experienced business people on this forum.  (Yes,  I know them personally.  I'm not just making stuff up)

Second of all,  as stated earlier,  if the board  members would know whats going on,  they would put a stop to it immediately.

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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 09:22:30 PM

Second of all,  as stated earlier,  if the board  members would know whats going on,  they would put a stop to it immediately.

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the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: myb821 on April 10, 2014, 09:24:27 PM
the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
sorry to say but your full of crap.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 10, 2014, 09:25:28 PM
I would hate to repetitive but, "if it sounds to good be true, it probably is"....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2014, 09:26:02 PM
the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
The company is engaging in obvious fraud to pump it's stock by showing false sales. That is illegal. So forget about if the tablet buyers will get their rebates, they're assisting fraud.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 09:26:54 PM
sorry to say but your full of crap.
now that's a harsh statement.
Care u explain?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on April 10, 2014, 09:27:42 PM
the problem is that they don't know what's going on and neither does anyone here. As of now its strictly speculation based on if its to good to be true...
Huh?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 09:28:56 PM
The company is engaging in obvious fraud to pump it's stock by showing false sales. That is illegal. So forget about if the tablet buyers will get their rebates, they're assisting fraud.
that much I agree with
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: myb821 on April 10, 2014, 09:29:07 PM
now that's a harsh statement.
Care u explain?
Seriously? if you cant tell that this is a clear scam.........
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 09:32:21 PM
Seriously? if you cant tell that this is a clear scam.........
I agree its a scam. I know quite a lot about it as I had a lengthy conversation with the sleazy individual running it.
What I'm saying is that the yeshivas don't care if its a scam as long as they get their money. Which is possible if its an MLM or similiar as they believe they can't get messed over if paying by cc
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on April 10, 2014, 09:33:12 PM
As someone involved in a Yeshiva I was approached to "invest" in this "opportunity". I immediately contacted one of the "satisfied mosdos"  and was told (obviously) stay away.
This is the response I got from the "broker":
Thank you for your concern,

I know who I'm dealing with and I know that there is no intention of foul play. In either case the only way I would let anyone do it is if they pay by CC to enable the fraud protection that the CC offers - in case its necessary.

Besides, we see how yeshivos are actually getting their money back. I dont see how you can lose.

Most of all, I know that because the originator of the deal is someone that is not known to yeshivos, there isnt a single person who put in money without doing their due diligents. We are talking about sharp responsible people who wouldn't risk $10 let alone thousands of dollars without making sure they are protected. I am just taking the info for people so we can get the deal (it has to be ONE group). As nice of guy that I am, I know that people are not throwing vasts money my way because I am nice to people.

I believe that everyone who put in money did it for the same reason I did it, the CC protection. I dont think I came across a safer investment in my life. Did you?

Please, dont trust me. Do your own HW.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on April 10, 2014, 09:35:09 PM
I did my homework: this stinks like rotten fish
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on April 10, 2014, 09:38:10 PM
now that's a harsh statement.
Care u explain?
It's actually a nice statement. People that promote fraud and MLM are thieves plain and simple. And until we eradicate this sickness from Jewish communities,  everyone like you who aids and abet is in the same boat.

I hope you are at least on the stealing end, that will explain your clouded judgment.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on April 10, 2014, 09:39:16 PM
I would like to speak to one of the board members of a yeshiva that's doing this so I can spare myself the research. 

If someone can post a name,  it'll be great. 
Thanx. 

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 09:46:16 PM
It's actually a nice statement. People that promote fraud and MLM are thieves plain and simple. And until we eradicate this sickness from Jewish communities,  everyone like you who aids and abet is in the same boat.

I hope you are at least on the stealing end, that will explain your clouded judgment.


I agree its a scam. I know quite a lot about it as I had a lengthy conversation with the sleazy individual running it.
What I'm saying is that the yeshivas don't care if its a scam as long as they get their money. Which is possible if its an MLM or similiar as they believe they can't get messed over if paying by cc
I am not promoting anything, simply explaining the point of view of the yeshivas.
I am very much against
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on April 10, 2014, 09:48:21 PM
I am not promoting anything, simply explaining the point of view of the yeshivas.
I am very much against
BS.

You were busy how well grounded institutions and individuals are doing it. Let's hear who?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 10, 2014, 09:50:10 PM
BS.

You were busy how well grounded institutions and individuals are doing it. Let's hear who?
ill send u a pm shortly
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on April 10, 2014, 10:09:46 PM

I agree its a scam. I know quite a lot about it as I had a lengthy conversation with the sleazy individual running it.
What I'm saying is that the yeshivas don't care if its a scam as long as they get their money. Which is possible if its an MLM or similiar as they believe they can't get messed over if paying by cc

This is very disheartening. Even if the yeshivos make some money on this (which is extremely unlikely) they're involved in a patently illegal and fraudulent activity - either on pumping stock, or more likely massive CC fraud.
Best case scenario - a lot of yidden lose money because of them.
More likely - we'll be seeing news about an FBI raid on a yeshiva.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: dans fan on April 10, 2014, 11:13:26 PM
+1
The whole "make money for your shul" business, while it may not be an actual scam, is along the same lines and it doesn't strike me as proper either.... Take an unsuspecting guys personal info and mess around with it all in the name of Tzedakah?!
-10000. whats the connection two totally different beasts (other than the fact that the rosh hayishiva probably davens in a shul)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: dans fan on April 10, 2014, 11:14:54 PM
The famous thief behind this scam (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3910.0) should be kicked out of our community and the RY involved should be named and shamed.
sadly it might make our community a little lot thinner
BS.

You were busy how well grounded institutions and individuals are doing it. Let's hear who?
i am with you on this one
@emkay nothing personal  i would rather think you are a liar than a fool. reading your comments, those are the two options
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on April 10, 2014, 11:49:05 PM
As someone involved in a Yeshiva I was approached to "invest" in this "opportunity". I immediately contacted one of the "satisfied mosdos"  and was told (obviously) stay away.
This is the response I got from the "broker":
Thank you for your concern,

I know who I'm dealing with and I know that there is no intention of foul play. In either case the only way I would let anyone do it is if they pay by CC to enable the fraud protection that the CC offers - in case its necessary.

Besides, we see how yeshivos are actually getting their money back. I dont see how you can lose.

Most of all, I know that because the originator of the deal is someone that is not known to yeshivos, there isnt a single person who put in money without doing their due diligents. We are talking about sharp responsible people who wouldn't risk $10 let alone thousands of dollars without making sure they are protected. I am just taking the info for people so we can get the deal (it has to be ONE group). As nice of guy that I am, I know that people are not throwing vasts money my way because I am nice to people.

I believe that everyone who put in money did it for the same reason I did it, the CC protection. I dont think I came across a safer investment in my life. Did you?

Please, dont trust me. Do your own HW.
This brilliant businessman spelled diligence "diligents". Lol!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on April 11, 2014, 12:02:49 AM
The real question is, should we be shorting sgmz based on what they are doing
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 11, 2014, 12:04:23 AM
The real question is, should we be shorting sgmz based on what they are doing
+1 they are not producing anything of value, ever. Its a matter of time.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Shmelly on April 11, 2014, 12:30:44 AM
The real question is, should we be shorting sgmz based on what they are doing
Their founder and CEO has glowing references.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/neil-chandran
http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/calgary-ab/TN3V23E03VUT1Q7IS
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=138532

And what $6 BILLION company is traded OTC?

This career con artist saw how often Orthodox communities get taken by these schemes and is stepping in for his pound of flesh.

For a nation of people supposed to be of above average intelligence, there's a lot of really, really stupid ones out there.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 11, 2014, 12:32:17 AM
-10000. whats the connection two totally different beasts (other than the fact that the rosh hayishiva probably davens in a shul)
I'm not saying its the same, the point I'm making is that there are thousands of naïve people out there. Most of those people have a very limited understanding of how their credit/and credit card spend affect them. Being that that's the case it gives these joes a very easy target, whatever the scam may be.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 11, 2014, 12:51:44 AM
Their founder and CEO has glowing references.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/neil-chandran
http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/calgary-ab/TN3V23E03VUT1Q7IS
http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=138532

And what $6 BILLION company is traded OTC?

This career con artist saw how often Orthodox communities get taken by these schemes and is stepping in for his pound of flesh.

For a nation of people supposed to be of above average intelligence, there's a lot of really, really stupid ones out there.
Wow, these links and a simple Google search bring a whole new meaning to the saying, "when there's smoke, there's fire"
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Shmelly on April 11, 2014, 12:54:15 AM
Wow, these links and a simple Google search bring a whole new meaning to the saying, "when there's smoke, there's fire"
Internet is assur, it is impossible for this Rosh Yeshiva to have followed your advice.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: CountValentine on April 11, 2014, 12:56:28 AM
For a nation of people supposed to be of above average intelligence, there's a lot of really, really stupid ones out there.
Money makes people do a lot of stupid things. It is usually the so called smart ones that fall for the big buck scams.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Shmelly on April 11, 2014, 12:58:58 AM
Money makes people do a lot of stupid things. It is usually the so called smart ones that fall for the big buck scams.
But greed is good!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: CountValentine on April 11, 2014, 01:01:35 AM
The real question is, should we be shorting sgmz based on what they are doing
SGMZ is behind this scam?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: incendia on April 11, 2014, 01:01:51 AM

For a nation of people supposed to be of above average intelligence, there's a lot of really, really stupid ones out there.

Perhaps over confidence is the issue
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 11, 2014, 01:02:53 AM
SGMZ is behind this scam?
so it seems
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: CountValentine on April 11, 2014, 01:14:45 AM
so it seems
How so? Who from SGMZ is saying the tablets will never be shipped.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Shmelly on April 11, 2014, 01:17:39 AM
Check out the website that this $6 billion technology company managed to produce for themselves http://www.sungame.com/. I've built more impressive websites myself. While I was sleeping. In a treehouse. Without a computer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 11, 2014, 01:20:38 AM
I've built more impressive websites myself. While I was sleeping. In a treehouse. Without a computer.
rofl :D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: CountValentine on April 11, 2014, 01:21:10 AM
Check out the website that this $6 billion technology company managed to produce for themselves http://www.sungame.com/. I've built more impressive websites myself. While I was sleeping. In a treehouse. Without a computer.
...but has your stock gone from $5 to over $30 in 6 months?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on April 11, 2014, 01:21:39 AM
Check out the website that this $6 billion technology company managed to produce for themselves http://www.sungame.com/. I've built more impressive websites myself. While I was sleeping. In a treehouse. Without a computer.
Are you looking for investors?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Shmelly on April 11, 2014, 01:29:40 AM
Are you looking for investors?
Actually, yes, I'm glad you asked. The more treehouses I have, the more websites I can build. I just need capital to build the treehouses. I can guarantee a 35% return in ONLY 6 MONTHS! I'll even give you a finder's fee if you can get more investors lined up. Its foolproof.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on April 11, 2014, 01:32:55 AM
Actually, yes, I'm glad you asked. The more treehouses I have, the more websites I can build. I just need capital to build the treehouses. I can guarantee a 35% return in ONLY 6 MONTHS! I'll even give you a finder's fee if you can get more investors lined up. Its foolproof.
How about if I donate you a tree?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on April 11, 2014, 01:33:55 AM

Actually, yes, I'm glad you asked. The more treehouses I have, the more websites I can build. I just need capital to build the treehouses. I can guarantee a 35% return in ONLY 6 MONTHS! I'll even give you a finder's fee if you can get more investors lined up. Its foolproof.
Wow! Do you accept CC payments as well?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 11, 2014, 01:34:04 AM
How about if I donate you a tree?
and I know someone who builds tree houses
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 11, 2014, 02:11:16 AM
never trust anyone who doesn't know how to spell "diligence".

As someone involved in a Yeshiva I was approached to "invest" in this "opportunity". I immediately contacted one of the "satisfied mosdos"  and was told (obviously) stay away.
This is the response I got from the "broker":
Thank you for your concern,

I know who I'm dealing with and I know that there is no intention of foul play. In either case the only way I would let anyone do it is if they pay by CC to enable the fraud protection that the CC offers - in case its necessary.

Besides, we see how yeshivos are actually getting their money back. I dont see how you can lose.

Most of all, I know that because the originator of the deal is someone that is not known to yeshivos, there isnt a single person who put in money without doing their due diligents. We are talking about sharp responsible people who wouldn't risk $10 let alone thousands of dollars without making sure they are protected. I am just taking the info for people so we can get the deal (it has to be ONE group). As nice of guy that I am, I know that people are not throwing vasts money my way because I am nice to people.

I believe that everyone who put in money did it for the same reason I did it, the CC protection. I dont think I came across a safer investment in my life. Did you?

Please, dont trust me. Do your own HW.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on April 11, 2014, 02:12:48 AM
never trust anyone who doesn't know how to spell "diligence".
great tip, i'm gonna keep that in mind
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Sport on April 11, 2014, 08:25:22 AM

Check out the website that this $6 billion technology company managed to produce for themselves http://www.sungame.com/. I've built more impressive websites myself. While I was sleeping. In a treehouse. Without a computer.
+10000 And half the posts on their home page are dated from June 2012!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: thetoad on April 17, 2014, 02:45:20 AM
Even if it wasn't a scam and you'd be able to make all your money back, one has to ask if this is yosher.

When people go up to shamayim, hashem is going to call a lot of us navul b'rushut ha'torah (including myself probably).
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: stbaum on April 17, 2014, 03:41:22 AM
A fool and his money are soon parted
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: dans fan on April 17, 2014, 02:11:04 PM
Even if it wasn't a scam and you'd be able to make all your money back, one has to ask if this is yosher.

When people go up to shamayim, hashem is going to call a lot of us navul b'rushut ha'torah (including myself probably).
if its not a scam and you make all your money, whats not yosher about it? you might be a  navul b'rushut ha'torah but what does it have to do with the above?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on April 17, 2014, 02:15:35 PM

if its not a scam and you make all your money, whats not yosher about it? you might be a  navul b'rushut ha'torah but what does it have to do with the above?
+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on April 17, 2014, 02:22:46 PM

never trust anyone who doesn't know how to spell "diligence".

Or who doesn't know where to put the period when using quotations.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on April 17, 2014, 02:33:07 PM
if its not a scam and you make all your money, whats not yosher about it? you might be a  navul b'rushut ha'torah but what does it have to do with the above?
+1000
I've been advising all of the yeshivas here in Israel to invest heavily in this. No need for Lapid when there's easy money this way.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 17, 2014, 02:40:02 PM
Or who doesn't know where to put the period when using quotations.

Or an American imperialist who doesn't understand that other people do things differently.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: srap on April 17, 2014, 02:49:08 PM
Or who doesn't know where to put the period when using quotations.
My .02 re periods:  one or two words--period outside of quotations, longer phrase or sentence--period within quotations.
IOW, IMHO @yhakak posted correctly.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 17, 2014, 03:00:45 PM
My .02 re periods:  one or two words--period outside of quotations, longer phrase or sentence--period within quotations.
IOW, IMHO @yhakak posted correctly.

Actually, in standard American usage the period ALWAYS goes inside the quotations, no matter what. In most other usages, it's a matter of logic; if the period was in the quote then it's inside, but if it's part of the sentence structure (not the quote) then it's outside.

But we digress. Other heilige yidden were trying to convince themselves that this scam was in some way an ethical and/or moral thing to do, when we (and they, i think) know that's not true. And before starting a technical pseudo-halachic argument about נבל ברשות התורה, have a look at the bottom of ערובין ק:ב

מועדים לשמחה
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on April 17, 2014, 03:14:34 PM
+1000
I've been advising all of the yeshivas here in Israel to invest heavily in this. No need for Lapid when there's easy money this way.
. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/18/ysy5yve6.jpg)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on April 17, 2014, 03:17:46 PM

. (http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/04/18/ysy5yve6.jpg)
Meshy might get mad that you posted a pic of his father.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: HP58 on April 17, 2014, 03:18:34 PM
Meshy might get mad that you posted a pic of his father.
ROTFL!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: stbaum on April 17, 2014, 04:05:30 PM

Meshy might get mad that you posted a pic of his father.

ALOL
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on April 18, 2014, 12:44:30 AM

if its not a scam and you make all your money, whats not yosher about it? you might be a  navul b'rushut ha'torah but what does it have to do with the above?

If it's not a scam (and you have better chances of getting hit by lightning than that) you're scamming the investors, breaking a few SEC regulations, scamming whatever entity provides the 'education' grant, etc.

Nope, don't see anything not yoshor about that... Hey as long as we make money it's all good, right? (/sarcasm)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: dans fan on April 18, 2014, 01:18:46 AM
If it's not a scam (and you have better chances of getting hit by lightning than that) you're scamming the investors, breaking a few SEC regulations, scamming whatever entity provides the 'education' grant, etc.

Nope, don't see anything not yoshor about that... Hey as long as we make money it's all good, right? (/sarcasm)
i think you are a little confused. no sarcasm
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 18, 2014, 04:09:58 AM
You think there's actually an education grant? I was assuming this was part of the pyramid scheme...


If it's not a scam (and you have better chances of getting hit by lightning than that) you're scamming the investors, breaking a few SEC regulations, scamming whatever entity provides the 'education' grant, etc.

Nope, don't see anything not yoshor about that... Hey as long as we make money it's all good, right? (/sarcasm)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 18, 2014, 04:18:27 AM
This Yeshiva collectively has swiped over $500,000 for this. They only received $175,000 back.


http://www.fbi.gov/contact-us

Dead serious.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on April 18, 2014, 04:37:02 AM
If it's not a scam (and you have better chances of getting hit by lightning than that) you're scamming the investors, breaking a few SEC regulations, scamming whatever entity provides the 'education' grant, etc.

Nope, don't see anything not yoshor about that... Hey as long as we make money it's all good, right? (/sarcasm)
Don't worry. Dans Fan is being as sarcastic as the rest of us are.
No sane person here actually buys into it, except for the ppl profiting from it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: thetoad on April 18, 2014, 05:57:05 AM
if its not a scam and you make all your money, whats not yosher about it? you might be a  navul b'rushut ha'torah but what does it have to do with the above?

ok, I get your sarcasm (not at first though), but I wonder how one can a RY and think this is even in the realm of acceptableness. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 18, 2014, 09:12:50 AM
http://m.seekingalpha.com/article/1466721
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on April 18, 2014, 12:34:56 PM
Don't worry. Dans Fan is being as sarcastic as the rest of us are.
No sane person here actually buys into it, except for the ppl profiting from it.

I guess my sarcasm detector is not as good as others'.
I still find it very sad that this sort of scam is viewed as OK to engage in by various yeshivas, etc. Even (especially?)  if they are profiting from it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on April 18, 2014, 12:47:57 PM
Ah, they had a 10-K filing on Apr 15th. http://biz.yahoo.com/e/140415/sgmz10-k.html
They say:

Quote
We have incurred significant losses and negative cash flows from operations since our inception in on November 14, 2006. We have an accumulated deficit of $3,121,681 and a working capital deficiency of $2,966,851 as of December 31, 2013. These conditions raise substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern

So if I understand this correctly, they're probably getting as much $ as they can from people 'buying' their non-existent tablets on CCs, distribute the money to the 'officers' of the company and go bankrupt.
Looks pretty simple to me.
I'd short the stock.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on April 18, 2014, 01:00:48 PM
Ah, they had a 10-K filing on Apr 15th. http://biz.yahoo.com/e/140415/sgmz10-k.html
They say:

So if I understand this correctly, they're probably getting as much $ as they can from people 'buying' their non-existent tablets on CCs, distribute the money to the 'officers' of the company and go bankrupt.
Looks pretty simple to me.
I'd short the stock.
You can't cover a short after a stock has gone bankrupt. I'd be wary shorting the stock. Trade volume is around 500 shares a day. Seems like you may have a tough time covering your short
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Palm5 on April 18, 2014, 01:16:14 PM
You can't cover a short after a stock has gone bankrupt. I'd be wary shorting the stock. Trade volume is around 500 shares a day. Seems like you may have a tough time covering your short

99.9% of the people on here won't be able to short an OTC stock either way.
Discount brokerages don't allow it, which is what the 99.9% of us use to trade with.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on April 18, 2014, 01:28:48 PM
You can't cover a short after a stock has gone bankrupt. I'd be wary shorting the stock. Trade volume is around 500 shares a day. Seems like you may have a tough time covering your short

That's a good point, I didn't think about that. If there were options on this stock, it would be a better play - but there don't seem to be.

Quote
99.9% of the people on here won't be able to short an OTC stock either way.
Discount brokerages don't allow it, which is what the 99.9% of us use to trade with.

Oh well ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 18, 2014, 02:16:48 PM
The whole company was and is a scam/sham from day one. Pathetic that frum  yidden would be involved in anyway.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Palm5 on April 20, 2014, 10:33:00 AM
States clearly that they are bleeding money to wazoo.
I can't believe people who sit and learn all day, have some of the sharpest minds.... Would fall for this? It's sad
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on April 20, 2014, 10:52:52 AM
States clearly that they are bleeding money to wazoo.
I can't believe people who sit and learn all day, have some of the sharpest minds.... Would fall for this? It's sad
Money makes smart ppl do dumb things.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on April 20, 2014, 11:10:23 AM
Money makes smart ppl do dumb things.

Money also makes greedy people do dumb things.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 20, 2014, 11:20:08 AM
Money makes smart ppl do dumb things.
so true ...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on June 11, 2014, 03:19:06 PM
Any updates?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 11, 2014, 05:09:42 PM
Last I heard someone I know was paid partially. I'll ask him tonight
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 11, 2014, 05:13:28 PM
Any updates?
they have suckered yidden for tens of millions
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 11, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
Last I heard someone I know was paid partially. I'll ask him tonight
I'm buying in!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on June 11, 2014, 06:21:07 PM
I'm buying in!!
I love your sarcasm.
But siriously it really hurts to see people scamed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on June 11, 2014, 06:31:16 PM
My friend who initially told me about it says he was paid in full and received a partial return on the "investment".
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 11, 2014, 07:53:44 PM
Round 2 is starting, right here right now.

I'm offering the same terms as they did. Plus, you get an extra 400% if you agree to extend the payment period by an extra month.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 11, 2014, 11:31:16 PM
My friend who initially told me about it says he was paid in full and received a partial return on the "investment".
I know enough about this to know that he definitely did not receive his money back
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 11, 2014, 11:37:37 PM
I know enough about this to know that he definitely did not receive his money back

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DrDanny on June 12, 2014, 01:00:51 AM
I know enough about this to know that he definitely did not receive his money back
What do you know?
In any decent pozi scheme the first round or even few rounds get payed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 01:05:57 AM
What do you know?
In any decent pozi scheme the first round or even few rounds get payed.
I know the people running it and I know everything there is to know about it.  They fed people small amounts of money,  nothing more
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 01:07:47 AM
I know the people running it and I know everything there is to know about it.  They fed people small amounts of money,  nothing more
Can we get details?
The guy I know who put in $$$$keeps telling me about these people flying to la and then Europe getting stuff done... And that there are lawyers involved and invested, etc.
What's the real story?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: george on June 12, 2014, 01:13:12 AM
I know the people running it and I know everything there is to know about it.  They fed people small amounts of money,  nothing more
You know the people runnning it?! Can you tell them to stop?!!!!!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 01:16:06 AM
You know the people runnning it?! Can you tell them to stop?!!!!!!
I didn't say I'm friends with them.  I said I know them
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 01:35:38 AM

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on June 12, 2014, 03:01:34 AM
Round 2 is starting, right here right now.

I'm offering the same terms as they did. Plus, you get an extra 400% if you agree to extend the payment period by an extra month.

Stop trying to play people for suckers! I'll double it, 800%  :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on June 12, 2014, 08:18:04 AM

Stop trying to play people for suckers! I'll double it, 800%  :)
Can we do this 50% 50%?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on June 12, 2014, 08:21:49 AM
I know enough about this to know that he definitely did not receive his money back

This is definitely a scam. However my friend who put in 7 received his 7k back with a few hundred in interest. 

I'm aware of who is running this scam as well, unfortunately it isn't his first time ripping of his community for millions.

I'm just pointing out that in a particular case at least one guy was paid back.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 08:53:31 AM
I'm aware of who is running this scam as well, unfortunately it isn't his first time ripping of his community for millions.

I've gotta say, someone who is aware of someone ripping off the community, and does nothing about it, is guilty as well.

"Don't stand by the blood of your brothers...."

There is a halachik as well as moral obligation to do what you can to save your brethern.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 08:59:29 AM
I've gotta say, someone who is aware of someone ripping off the community, and does nothing about it, is guilty as well.

"Don't stand by the blood of your brothers...."

There is a halachik as well as moral obligation to do what you can to save your brethern.

Blame yourself then. You also know about it. It isn't hard to find the people; they're advertising.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on June 12, 2014, 09:04:43 AM
they're advertising.

Where?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 09:05:44 AM
Can someone please post the name of the guy behind it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 09:12:03 AM
Blame yourself then. You also know about it. It isn't hard to find the people; they're advertising.
I have no clue if these ppl have a track record of ripping off the community, nor do I know if this is a scam. I've never looked into it.

MosheP wrote that he knows the ppl, and that they've defrauded the community in the past. That's something that can be used in a court if he can substantiate it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 09:17:23 AM
I have no clue if these ppl have a track record of ripping off the community, nor do I know if this is a scam. I've never looked into it.

MosheP wrote that he knows the ppl, and that they've defrauded the community in the past. That's something that can be used in a court if he can substantiate it.

There's enough on this thread. Have you called the NJAG office yet?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 09:23:26 AM
There's enough on this thread. Have you called the NJAG office yet?
Their HQ is in NJ?
Can MosheP put me in touch with people who were scammed by this person before?
Can people whom have been lied to with the current scam step forward and tell their stories?

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 10:04:23 AM
Can people whom have been lied to with the current scam step forward and tell their stories?
I doubt you'll find anyone. Oldest trick in the book- "don't out me and I'll get your $$ back"
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 10:09:20 AM
Can people whom have been lied to with the current scam step forward and tell their stories?
as of now people on clinging onto their last bit of hope and are convincing themselves that they will get their money (which is possible)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 10:50:33 AM
So theyll come forward anonymously
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 11:55:45 AM
as of now people on clinging onto their last bit of hope and are convincing themselves that they will get their money (which is possible)

And once you've been taken, your interest is for more losers to buy in so you can get paid from their money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 11:56:38 AM
Their HQ is in NJ?
Can MosheP put me in touch with people who were scammed by this person before?
Can people whom have been lied to with the current scam step forward and tell their stories?

NJ will at least have jurisdiction on account of the number of people scammed there.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
And once you've been taken, your interest is for more losers to buy in so you can get paid from their money.
it's doesn't work like that. It's not a ponzi scheme, it's more sinister
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 11:59:57 AM
it's doesn't work like that. It's not a ponzi scheme, it's more sinister

Yes, but the longer it goes on, the more they need to pay out to the early people to look "credible"
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 12:25:24 PM
it's more sinister

meaning?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 12:52:21 PM
I put a substantial amount of money in and I got it all back plus the extra money as promised and all the tablets!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2014, 12:55:08 PM
I put a substantial amount of money in and I got it all back plus the extra money as promised and all the tablets!
Blah Blah Blah.
Everyone early in a pyramid scam makes money, that's why it's a pyramid! It's everyone else that gets screwed.
See also: Madoff investors.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 12:55:18 PM
I put a substantial amount of money in and I got it all back plus the extra money as promised and all the tablets!
if you can show proof of receiving all the money back plus all the extra that was promised I'll shave my head, move to Indonesia and donate $1000 to the tzedaka of your choice
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 12, 2014, 12:56:21 PM
if you can show proof of receiving all the money back plus all the extra that was promised I'll shave my head, move to Indonesia and donate $1000 to the tzedaka of your choice
That would be dumb.  Plenty of Madoff early investors made profits, that's how Madoff got so many more investors until the whole thing imploded.

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 12:58:45 PM
That would be dumb.  Plenty of Madoff early investors made profits, that's how Madoff got so many more investors until the whole thing imploded.
it's not an unsubstantiated claim on my end. I know almost every person involved on the losing and winning ends, I have seen every document, email, and correspondence associated with this
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:03:06 PM
if you can show proof of receiving all the money back plus all the extra that was promised I'll shave my head, move to Indonesia and donate $1000 to the tzedaka of your choice

I got my money back, if I didn't wy would lie?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
I got my money back, if I didn't wy would lie?
maybe you are the ones running it.  When did u receive it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:10:40 PM
Blah Blah Blah.
Everyone early in a pyramid scam makes money, that's why it's a pyramid! It's everyone else that gets screwed.
See also: Madoff investors.

Madoff was only with cash, this is with CC.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:13:47 PM
maybe you are the ones running it.  When did u receive it?
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No I'm not just because I put money in and profited  does make me or anybody else that I know that prifited from this a scamer
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:18:10 PM
it's not an unsubstantiated claim on my end. I know almost every person involved on the losing and winning ends, I have seen every document, email, and correspondence associated with this

What documents have you seen?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 01:18:30 PM
I got my money back, if I didn't wy would lie?

And we'll sue you eventually to return it, and maybe there will even be good enough evidence that you knew what was going on and you'll face criminal charges.

I don't know if there is precedent for such a thing, but if I was in the AG's office I would argue it against the early investors.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:20:31 PM
And we'll sue you eventually to return it, and maybe there will even be good enough evidence that you knew what was going on and you'll face criminal charges.

I don't know if there is precedent for such a thing, but if I was in the AG's office I would argue it against the early investors.
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Are you onvolved also and didn't get your profit and want to sue me?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
And we'll sue you eventually to return it, and maybe there will even be good enough evidence that you knew what was going on and you'll face criminal charges.

I don't know if there is precedent for such a thing, but if I was in the AG's office I would argue it against the early investors.


You should be sueing EMKAY he's the one whos seen the documents he's more involved then me
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 01:23:18 PM
No I'm not an idiot or a gonniff. I would never buy into such a thing.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 01:23:59 PM

You should be sueing MK he's the one whos seen the documents he's more involved then me

He didn't steal from anyone. You did.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:25:34 PM
He didn't steal from anyone. You did.


He's the one who knew everyting that was going on. I was just approached and offered a good deal and made some good money. Yoy could've too by the way
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 01:26:54 PM

He's thenobe who knew everyting that was going on. I was just approached and offered a good deal and made some good money. Yoy could've too by the way

An offer which you knew was only going to give you stolen money, if at all.

I also could have robbed a pushke in shul.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:29:41 PM
An offer which you knew was only going to give you stolen money, if at all.

I also could have robbed a pushke in shul.


If you know the way it was presented then you would understand it as being legit. And this is nothing lije a pushke from a shul. Seriously that's what your gonna compare this to?!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 01:31:50 PM

If you know the way it was presented then you would understand it as being legit. And this is nothing lije a pushke from a shul. Seriously that's what your gonna compare this to?!

Well, it is unlikely the pushke in shul has as much money. I'll compare it to embezzling from a yeshiva's bank accounts.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 01:31:59 PM
If you know the way it was presented then you would understand it as being legit
I can present anything as legit. The question is, does what actually is going on resemble what is being presented.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 01:32:42 PM
And what, praytell, about the government giving away money for purchase of a tablet and then refunding the money paid on the tablet sounds legit?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:35:19 PM
I can present anything as legit. The question is, does what actually is going on resemble what is being presented.

The government has nothing to do with this. All the info I have has been verified through my lawyer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:37:07 PM
Well, it is unlikely the pushke in shul has as much money. I'll compare it to embezzling from a yeshiva's bank accounts.

I see you like to take peeks into pushkes.  Btw do you know anything about this? You hae anything you can share with me that can tell me your not just being a sheep hating on people with out knowing any facts?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 01:38:06 PM
What about this?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1466721-sungame-a-penny-stock-trading-for-2_1-billion
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:43:26 PM
What about this?
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1466721-sungame-a-penny-stock-trading-for-2_1-billion

I read that online along with lots of other articles.

Several lawyers looked into the company and said it is not a penny stock. (That article is from a year ago)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 01:45:29 PM
I see you like to take peeks into pushkes.  Btw do you know anything about this? You hae anything you can share with me that can tell me your not just being a sheep hating on people with out knowing any facts?

Woah! No need to get personal!  This is all just business, right?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 01:47:55 PM
Woah! No need to get personal!  This is all just business, right?

You're the one that got personal and called me a stealer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 01:52:40 PM
So what is the business model? How do they make money? How are they paying you a profit?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on June 12, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
And what, praytell, about the government giving away money for purchase of a tablet and then refunding the money paid on the tablet sounds legit?
Is this where all the Boe tablets in Lakewood went
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DrDanny on June 12, 2014, 02:01:49 PM
author=yechielM1 link=topic=40343.msg837602#msg837602 date=1402595006]
I read that online along with lots of other articles.

Several lawyers looked into the company and said it is not a penny stock. (That article is from a year ago)
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It was trading at $2 in September what revolutionary product did this company come up with that they became a multi billion dollar company in 3 months that by January they were
trading at $30,
Almost no company in the world has done that in such a short period of time let alone a company which nobody seems to be completely sure of what's they do.
From what I understand the cause of all this was the orders for non delivered over priced tablets. (which you said you got?)
Anyways knowingly engaging in manipulating the market is a Federal Offense.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
So what is the business model? How do they make money? How are they paying you a profit?

I believe that this is not a scam. I did lots of research with lawyers and successful businessman and they told me to put in money but don't put all your eggs in one basket.

I am unable to explain it here on the forums because it would take me a long time to write it and answer all your questions.

If you would like you can ask Emkay he apparently saw documents and knows all the details and knows those that are involved on both sides.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
author=yechielM1 link=topic=40343.msg837602#msg837602 date=1402595006]
I read that online along with lots of other articles.

Several lawyers looked into the company and said it is not a penny stock. (That article is from a year ago)

It was trading at $2 in September what revolutionary product did this company come up with that they became a multi billion dollar company in 3 months that by January they were
trading at $30,
Almost no company in the world has done that in such a short period of time let alone a company which nobody seems to be completely sure of what's they do.
From what I understand the cause of all this was the orders for non delivered over priced tablets. (which you said you got?)
Anyways knowingly engaging in manipulating the market is a Federal Offense.
the tablets were sent out, the money was not
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 02:07:18 PM
Is this where all the Boe tablets in Lakewood went
;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:07:47 PM
the tablets were sent out, the money was not

I woukd love to answer that question but again its gonna take me a very long time to answer. If you'd like you can hire your own lawyer and he can explain everything to you. @drdanny
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 02:09:25 PM
I woukd love to answer that question but again its gonna take me a very long time to answer. If you'd like you can hire your own lawyer and he can explain everything to you
You really needed a lawyer to explain an investment?
Or was he retained to convince you that you cannot be held liable when the SEC/Feds come looking?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 02:11:00 PM
I believe that this is not a scam. I did lots of research with lawyers and successful businessman and they told me to put in money but don't put all your eggs in one basket.

I am unable to explain it here on the forums because it would take me a long time to write it and answer all your questions.

If you would like you can ask Emkay he apparently saw documents and knows all the details and knows those that are involved on both sides.

Not sure what would take such a long time. What is the business model. How do they make a profit.

If someone asked me the same thing about a legitimate company it would be a one word answer.

AAPL-they sell overpriced, well marketed electronics to a huge customer base

GS-they are an investment bank, invest in various investments and provide many financial services

WM-they provide people means of cashing out GC and OV

etc., etc., etc.
Please tell me the one line answer for Sungames
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on June 12, 2014, 02:12:47 PM
WM-they provide people means of cashing out GC and OV
I don't think they make a profit from that. ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:19:01 PM
You really needed a lawyer to explain an investment?
Or was he retained to convince you that you cannot be held liable when the SEC/Feds come looking?

No lawyer needed to explain the investment. I hired a lawyer to make sure that the money I was getting was legal and where they were getting the money from was legal. I don't have time to explain the invesment because there are a lot of question you will have that can be answered  but dont have the time.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 02:19:48 PM
No lawyer needed to explain the investment. I hired a lawyer to make sure that the money I was getting was legal and where they were getting the money from was legal. I don't have time to explain the invesment because there are a lot of question you will have that can be answered  but dont have the time.
LOL
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on June 12, 2014, 02:22:38 PM
No lawyer needed to explain the investment. I hired a lawyer to make sure that the money I was getting was legal and where they were getting the money from was legal. I don't have time to explain the invesment because there are a lot of question you will have that can be answered  but dont have the time.
Youre certinly spending a lot of time telling us you dont have time...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on June 12, 2014, 02:23:45 PM
No lawyer needed to explain the investment. I hired a lawyer to make sure that the money I was getting was legal and where they were getting the money from was legal. I don't have time to explain the invesment because there are a lot of question you will have that can be answered  but dont have the time.
Instead of wasting your time how it'll be such a long answer and repeating it over and over again.  Just take the time to spell it all out for us once.
And don't worry, any questions we have we'll post here but don't feel pressured to answer right away,  I'm sure your busy.  We're not running anywhere
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 02:23:56 PM
No lawyer needed to explain the investment. I hired a lawyer to make sure that the money I was getting was legal and where they were getting the money from was legal. I don't have time to explain the invesment because there are a lot of question you will have that can be answered  but dont have the time.
It's implied that you are the only one here that understands this complex investment model.
This is very impressing! You should be working for a hedge fund though...Waste of talent. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on June 12, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
Run far away from these thieves. They are Yorshei Gehoneim.

From My Harvest America to every other geneiva scheme they do.

RUN RUN RUN
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:25:52 PM
Youre certinly spending a lot of time telling us you dont have time...

Very smart.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:27:26 PM
Instead of wasting your time how it'll be such a long answer and repeating it over and over again.  Just take the time to spell it all out for us once.
And don't worry, any questions we have we'll post here but don't feel pressured to answer right away,  I'm sure your busy.  We're not running anywhere

Because of people like shimoni. I can't just exolain akittle and keave question.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on June 12, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
Because of people like shimoni. I can't just exolain akittle and keave question.
Didn't say not to answer, just come back for a visit when the time allows.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:28:59 PM
Because of people like shimoni. I can't just exolain akittle and keave question.
It's implied that you are the only one here that understands this complex investment model.
This is very impressing! You should be working for a hedge fund though...Waste of talent. 

I actually kind of do. Your not bad:-)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on June 12, 2014, 02:35:24 PM
Very smart.
Smart enough to understand the profit structure of a 2 bilion $ compeny? Or are you really the only chosen one?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:35:46 PM
Didn't say not to answer, just come back for a visit when the time allows.

People are calling the guy in charge a scammer. As long as they (shimoni etc) have questions they will continue to call him a scammer. I find this to be a big waste of my time if I had to sit here for a few hours to explain it. I will leave off with this a check back at a later time.

People here should not be slamming others unless they know the facts. I read this whole thread and have yet to see ANYBODY who has any real knowledge of what's going on. Its not right to person who you are calling a scammer and others that have invested money to call them scammers and threatening to sue them.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 02:36:59 PM
Simple question: Are there people who have put in a lot of money who as of yet have not gotten it back and likely will not get it back?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:37:25 PM
Smart enough to understand the profit structure of a 2 bilion $ compeny? Or are you really the only chosen one?

This is exactly what I mean abt pple bashing others. Thank you shimoni1 for proving my point!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:38:57 PM
Simple question: Are there people who have put in a lot of money who as of yet have not gotten it back and likely will not get it back?

I can't answer that because I'm not involved in all the investors. My friends and I who have invested have gotten their money and returns.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 02:40:28 PM
Understanding complex business  is what many of us do for a living. Try us
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 02:41:26 PM
I can't answer that because I'm not involved in all the investors. My friends and I who have invested have gotten their money and returns.
So you have nothing to gain and no interest in providing an "explanation" to lure in the next level.
I get it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:42:45 PM
Understanding complex business  is what many of us do for a living. Try us

Really?!? A pushka?? That's what you understand???
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on June 12, 2014, 02:43:16 PM
People are calling the guy in charge a scammer. As long as they (shimoni etc) have questions they will continue to call him a scammer. I find this to be a big waste of my time if I had to sit here for a few hours to explain it. I will leave off with this a check back at a later time.

People here should not be slamming others unless they know the facts. I read this whole thread and have yet to see ANYBODY who has any real knowledge of what's going on. Its not right to person who you are calling a scammer and others that have invested money to call them scammers and threatening to sue them.
1. I never said this is a scam. I would never invest in somthing so vauge with no explanation of how the compeny makes money when they dont seem to sell anything or offer any service, but I never used the word scam.
2. I love the personal intrest in me (havent bean called shimoni in years. :-) ) Its a real honor coming from a big, busy scamer (woops)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 02:43:48 PM
if you can show proof of receiving all the money back plus all the extra that was promised I'll shave my head, move to Indonesia and donate $1000 to the tzedaka of your choice


I can't answer that because I'm not involved in all the investors. My friends and I who have invested have gotten their money and returns.
my offer still stands
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:45:52 PM
my offer still stands

Show us your documents and I'll show you my profits!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 02:50:34 PM
The company was audited a few days ago - successfully! Please explain to me how this is fraud???
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 02:55:26 PM
The company was audited a few days ago - successfully! Please explain to me how this is fraud???

lol
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 02:56:02 PM
The company was audited a few days ago - successfully! Please explain to me how this is fraud???
Last years audited financials contain a going concern disclaimer.
Quote
The accompanying financial statements have been prepared assuming that the Company will continue as a going concern. As discussed in Note 3 to the financial statements the Company has suffered a loss from operations and has negative working capital and a stockholders’ deficit that raise substantial doubt about its ability to continue as a going concern. Management's plans in regard to these matters are also described in Note 3. The financial statements do not include any adjustments that might result from the outcome of this uncertainty.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 02:56:42 PM
my offer still stands
You haven't been following. He steals from pushkes, not gives to them.

The company was audited a few days ago - successfully! Please explain to me how this is fraud???
Mr. "I kind of work for a hedgefund"- seriously?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on June 12, 2014, 02:59:13 PM
@yechielM1
First, did I forget to welcome you to the forums? Welcome to the forums. Im sure youll have a lot to lern  and a lot to share with all of us.
I know that youre very busy with all your hedge funds and never have time to chat on forums but if you find some time you might find that ddf has a whole big forum not just one thread that you seem fixated on.
I admire your determanation but dont you think youve hit a bit of a brick wall here  on ddf? I think youll find easier to scamm people elsewhere. (did I use the word scamm again?)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 03:00:04 PM
Last years audited financials contain a going concern disclaimer.

That's true and all activity since then has also been audited proving my point.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 03:05:44 PM
Don't ask us for tzedaka when you're being indicted by the SEC and FBI. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 03:13:01 PM
Don't ask us for tzedaka when you're being indicted by the SEC and FBI. 
Unfortunately, the Jewish community will come asking us to donate b/c of 'pidyon shivuim'. and ppl will blame the government for being anti-semitic.

I strongly advise ppl who actually have information of the owners, biz model, ppl who have lost money, etc, to report it to both the AG as well as the CC companies likely being scammed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on June 12, 2014, 03:17:08 PM
I actually kind of do. Your not bad:-)

Your company should invest in http://www.spellcheck.net/.  :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 12, 2014, 03:18:51 PM
Your company should invest in http://www.spellcheck.net/.  :P
His hedge fund is running low on funds.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 03:19:51 PM
That's true and all activity since then has also been audited proving my point.
Which activity has been audited since then? The quarterly reports are unaudited.
Honestly its starting to sound like you have no idea what you are talking about... You're going to lose that hedge fund job if you don't get up to speed on the basics of capital markets asap..
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on June 12, 2014, 03:47:10 PM

That's true and all activity since then has also been audited proving my point.

Which firm?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on June 12, 2014, 04:22:08 PM
Emkay if you know the names of the people who are doing this ask your lor, it probably is a mitzvah to publicize them since they are חוטא ומחטאי and מחללי ה ברבים (apologize if my Hebrew spelling is bad) and I could keep going on the list of עבירות they are commiting which requires one to publicize the individuals involved
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on June 12, 2014, 04:36:13 PM
Which activity has been audited since then? The quarterly reports are unaudited.
Honestly its starting to sound like you have no idea what you are talking about... You're going to lose that hedge fund job if you don't get up to speed on the basics of capital markets asap..

http://biz.yahoo.com/e/140523/sgmz10-q.html

You think this will save my job?!?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on June 12, 2014, 04:40:23 PM
I admit I dint know anything about those statemets but one thing caught my eye...v there are only 5 employees in a billion dollar company?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 04:41:59 PM
http://biz.yahoo.com/e/140523/sgmz10-q.html

You think this will save my job?!?
You realize that you are linking an UNAUDITED quarterly report containing MDA that is basically Bs.

You're fired!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on June 12, 2014, 04:43:27 PM
Cut and paste from the above link:

We have incurred significant losses and negative cash flows from operations since our inception in on October 11, 2010. We have an accumulated deficit of $3,968,452 and a working capital deficiency [b]$3,930,908 a[/b]s of March 31, 2014. These conditions raise substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern. We have historically financed our activities through the private placement of equity securities and through related party advances. Through March 31, 2014, we have dedicated our financial resources to the development of Flightdeck and Vidirectory and the expansion of our tablet business and general and administrative expenses as described later in the section titled Results of Operations.

We have incurred significant losses and negative cash flows from operations since our inception in on October 11, 2010. We have an accumulated deficit of $3,968,452 and a working capital deficiency $3,930,908 as of March 31, 2014. These conditions raise substantial doubt about our ability to continue as a going concern. We have historically financed our activities through the private placement of equity securities and through related party advances. Through March 31, 2014, we have dedicated our financial resources to the development of Flightdeck and Vidirectory and the expansion of our tablet business and general and administrative expenses as described later in the section titled Results of Operations.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 12, 2014, 04:51:11 PM
Emkay if you know the names of the people who are doing this ask your lor, it probably is a mitzvah to publicize them since they are חוטא ומחטאי and מחללי ה ברבים (apologize if my Hebrew spelling is bad) and I could keep going on the list of עבירות they are commiting which requires one to publicize the individuals involved
trust me,  I don't like this one bit and being someone who knows the inner workings of this  scheme, I want to end this more than you do. Though I have a line,  and bestowing upon people names and titles without knowing the story or any substantial facts crosses that line.  So I will not be disclosing names in this public setting.  If you feel there is something you can contribute to this cause then you can PM me
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 05:57:19 PM
Sungame's mission is simple: to enrich people's lives by becoming a leading social networking, content creation, content discovery and distribution platform. Integral to the site's functionality is a central aggregation engine that excels at serving targeted, focused and high quality content and social medial interactions based on the user's specific interests and past usage history. Other tools available on the website are designed to simplify content creation and distribution for content producers, while providing these artists an engaged audience interested in consuming this content.



Have you been to there website. It looks like it was written by a third grader. And they seem to have no customer base? How can you be a leading social networking platform with no website and no customer base?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Aaaron on June 12, 2014, 06:18:13 PM
This thread cracks me up.  The ability of some people to convince themselves that this is legitimate is impressive.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on June 12, 2014, 06:57:53 PM
This thread cracks me up.  The ability of some people to convince themselves that this is legitimate is impressive.
Whats not legitimate about it? You put in 1000$ pretend you got a tablet, they give you back your money plus another 500$
they pretend they sold a ton of tablets (and somhow lost milions doing it) their stock goes up to 5 bilion $, their 5 employes get fat paychecks and bonuses and when the LLC colapses one day and goes bankrupt those 5 guys walk away with the money leaving a bunch of people penniless.
Whats wrong with that? (sarcastic)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on June 12, 2014, 08:15:47 PM
Emkay if you know the names of the people who are doing this ask your lor, it probably is a mitzvah to publicize them since they are חוטא ומחטאי and מחללי ה ברבים (apologize if my Hebrew spelling is bad) and I could keep going on the list of עבירות they are commiting which requires one to publicize the individuals involved
I wasn't telling you to do it. I was suggesting you ask your lor because it might be the right thing to do in this case
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MosheP on June 12, 2014, 08:36:02 PM
This isn't a scam where they're selling houses that don't exist  and skipping town.  Or pushing a worthless stock,  or any other scam where SMART people can be taken in.

They are offering something that is too good to be true,  where you make money for doing nothing.  Even if honest Abe approaches you with something like this you say away. 

The only way to make I in this world is through hard work.  This applies to both the material world and the spiritual world 

Publicizing  names as a safety awareness is worthless.  Instead we should educate  folks to use common sense. 


For me the biggest flag was where they caimed a certain non-profit  "invested"  4 milion and already got the money back.  When I spoke to the Executive  Director  he told me he never gave a dime.

If you can't be transparent about something I stay far away. 


Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 08:40:34 PM
The value is the stock keeps getting mentioned. Have you bothered to look at the volume of share traded. It's under 500 shares a day. And we don't know who is buying the shares. It could be friends and family. There is no way they could get billions of dollars for the company. It's a made up number
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
The value is the stock keeps getting mentioned. Have you bothered to look at the volume of share traded. It's under 500 shares a day. And we don't know who is buying the shares. It could be friends and family. There is no way they could get billions of dollars for the company. It's a made up number

Are they publicly traded on a market? How does the market allow this?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 12, 2014, 09:11:41 PM
It trades OTC
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 12, 2014, 09:25:54 PM
It trades OTC

So then as you say, for all we know they are "trading" it back and forth between themselves at obscene prices to further the scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on June 12, 2014, 11:33:14 PM
I'm not sure what's funnier, Alex Libman - the man who imagines himself as a great intellectual writer, or yechielM1 - the man who imagines himself as a Hedge Fund employee. I'm cracking up.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 12, 2014, 11:53:32 PM
I'm not sure what's funnier, Alex Libman - the man who imagines himself as a great intellectual writer, or yechielM1 - the man who imagines himself as a Hedge Fund employee. I'm cracking up.
Both very sad and pathetic.
But these guys keep Ddf interesting 8)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 12, 2014, 11:59:20 PM
The value is the stock keeps getting mentioned. Have you bothered to look at the volume of share traded. It's under 500 shares a day. And we don't know who is buying the shares. It could be friends and family. There is no way they could get billions of dollars for the company. It's a made up number
and

It trades OTC
yet

I read that online along with lots of other articles.

Several lawyers looked into the company and said it is not a penny stock. (That article is from a year ago)
lol
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 13, 2014, 12:43:24 AM

Publicizing  names as a safety awareness is worthless.  Instead we should educate  folks to use common sense. 

Very surprised to see you say that.
Do we say that rather than arresting a thief, we should tell people to get better security systems on their house?

Both approaches need to be taken. Education, and punishment for those responsible.
Them being busted and ppl seeing their friends messed over as a result is the strongest lesson there is.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 13, 2014, 03:11:25 AM
Just spoke to the guy I know who out in cash. He hasn't gotten anything back. He's still convinced the whole thing is legit. Trying to explain to me that there is the guy from monsey who went to LA and then to Paris and verified the whole thing. And he can't be lying....
@Emkay is the monsey guy the guy you know? name starts with an S?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yhakak on June 13, 2014, 03:50:55 AM
Just spoke to the guy I know who out in cash. He hasn't gotten anything back. He's still convinced the whole thing is legit. Trying to explain to me that there is the guy from monsey who went to LA and then to Paris and verified the whole thing. And he can't be lying....
@Emkay is the monsey guy the guy you know? name starts with an S?

Yeah, because we all know Paris is where the real money is.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 13, 2014, 04:05:04 AM
Someone should call the FBI. Every day that passes is creating more victims.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on June 13, 2014, 06:46:11 AM
I wish there was a way to short it. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DrDanny on June 13, 2014, 07:51:39 AM
Very surprised to see you say that.
Do we say that rather than arresting a thief, we should tell people to get better security systems on their house?

Both approaches need to be taken. Education, and punishment for those responsible.
Them being busted and ppl seeing their friends messed over as a result is the strongest lesson there is.
I don't think it's up to us to decide who how or when to punish him, or even give him up to others (Feds) so others can punish him.
But we do have to stop this and publicizing his name might be the first step. Just the word punishment didn't sound right to me.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 13, 2014, 08:17:58 AM
I don't think it's up to us to decide who how or when to punish him, or even give him up to others (Feds) so others can punish him.
But we do have to stop this and publicizing his name might be the first step. Just the word punishment didn't sound right to me.
The word 'punishment' doesn't sound right?
Who does it sound right for? A thief? Rapist? Murderer?  I'm sorry to get extreme here, but that's an extremely juveline thing to write, and I've never seen you write that way before.

If they're screwing ppl over, and have done this time and time again, then punishment is the only way to make it stop.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 13, 2014, 08:19:42 AM
I wish there was a way to short it.
No you don't. You'd never be able to cover your short
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 08:20:49 AM
Just spoke to the guy I know who out in cash. He hasn't gotten anything back. He's still convinced the whole thing is legit. Trying to explain to me that there is the guy from monsey who went to LA and then to Paris and verified the whole thing. And he can't be lying....
@Emkay is the monsey guy the guy you know? name starts with an S?
more than one,  and one of them has a first name that does start with S
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 13, 2014, 08:26:19 AM
more than one,  and one of them has a first name that does start with S
Any way you can provide me with some proof so I can bring it to this guy (maybe it will help him if he knows earlier jess not getting his $$. He'll dispute so he stops paying interest on his charges...)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 08:39:44 AM
Any way you can provide me with some proof so I can bring it to this guy (maybe it will help him if he knows earlier jess not getting his $$. He'll dispute so he stops paying interest on his charges...)
I don't have proof and frankly proof probably does not exist, I never said he won't get his money although he has better chances betting on flea races.
I have been following this for a while and I have tons of data points that don't add up. Everything just points to a scam. I am not entirely sure what the scam is though I have a pretty good idea, I just don't see any way for this to end well for anybody
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2014, 08:42:46 AM
Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Red on June 13, 2014, 08:45:02 AM
Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
I think the smartest thing for you is not to say anything, you don't want the name Dansdeals associated with this in any way.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on June 13, 2014, 08:46:31 AM
What about a post on pyramid schemes in general?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 13, 2014, 08:55:40 AM
I don't have proof and frankly proof probably does not exist, I never said he won't get his money although he has better chances betting on flea races.
I have been following this for a while and I have tons of data points that don't add up. Everything just points to a scam. I am not entirely sure what the scam is though I have a pretty good idea, I just don't see any way for this to end well for anybody
Was this S dude involved in MHA or any other shady stuff?
Does he think everything is legit?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 09:01:46 AM
Was this S dude involved in MHA or any other shady stuff?
Does he think everything is legit?
I have a rising suspicion that although these people have done shady things before this time they are the suckers to a higher power . And it's possible they are the ones getting scammed now
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 09:04:51 AM
Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
it's to late I'm afraid. I doubt any good will now for this specific case

What about a post on pyramid schemes in general?
I think this is the way to go . Maybe write up a post about these schemes and how they can be tempting to make easy money but they will come back and bite u
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 13, 2014, 09:09:02 AM
Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
It would be a big chessed, if only one person is saved....

From a business POV, IMHO you can only lose from getting involved.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 13, 2014, 09:12:05 AM
it's to late I'm afraid. I doubt any good will now for this specific case
I think this is the way to go . Maybe write up a post about these schemes and how they can be tempting to make easy money but they will come back and bite u

Lol a post on dansdeals that if there's a way to get free money, it is a scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 09:14:35 AM
Lol a post on dansdeals that if there's a way to get free money, it is a scam.
precisely but without the sarcasm font.  Although the line between what we do and this is quite discernable, for some they just get caught up in the search for the free buck
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 13, 2014, 09:20:14 AM
Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
you can close comments on the post. I don't think that you should discuss a specific case, but a general post explaining the difference between a deal and a scam might be helpful as suggested earlier.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aarony on June 13, 2014, 09:23:42 AM
If the business plan is " even though it sounds too good you can't lose because you have protection from your cc" then it is a scam. I don't believe there is any cc protection when you know it is shady going in. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on June 13, 2014, 11:58:06 AM
If the business plan is " even though it sounds too good you can't lose because you have protection from your cc" then it is a scam. I don't believe there is any cc protection when you know it is shady going in.
+1
If you speak to anyone involved they'll tell you that they only got involved because they thought that they are covered by their credit card, and would be able to dispute.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 13, 2014, 12:04:06 PM
+1
If you speak to anyone involved they'll tell you that they only got involved because they thought that they are covered by their credit card, and would be able to dispute.

And if they did as much due diligence on the company as they did on the cc policy...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on June 13, 2014, 12:19:01 PM
Has heard of anyone been successful on CC dispute

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 13, 2014, 12:20:23 PM
Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
I think it would be a humungous mitzvah to help wake ppl up and possibly save some of them.
I agree with closing the comments.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 13, 2014, 12:41:53 PM
I think it would be a humungous mitzvah to help wake ppl up and possibly save some of them.
I agree with closing the comments.
having  dansdeals associated with it can only do harm.  Better to just had very  soon post on the topic buy without specific cases
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubbles on June 13, 2014, 12:46:56 PM
Don't post specific cases. People hear and see what they want to and you'll just be drawing attention to them
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2014, 12:49:44 PM
I can't even get past what the title should be.  Why do orthodox jews fall prey to stupid scams? Why do people fall prey to stupid scams?
Either way the post will feel pretty non-sequitur.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 13, 2014, 12:54:38 PM
I can't even get past what the title should be.  Why do orthodox jews fall prey to stupid scams? Why do people fall prey to stupid scams?
Either way the post will feel pretty non-sequitur.
you don't have to explain the why's and be critical.
Simply explain that "not everything is a good deal" it would fit better on ddms..
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 13, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
I can't even get past what the title should be.  Why do orthodox jews fall prey to stupid scams? Why do people fall prey to stupid scams?
Either way the post will feel pretty non-sequitur.
Deals vs.Scams?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on June 13, 2014, 01:21:49 PM
Deals vs.Scams?

Scamming v getting scammed
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 13, 2014, 01:27:19 PM
Scamming v getting scammed
Touche
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on June 13, 2014, 02:52:05 PM

Worth making a post on this crap or does it just legitimize it?
Either way it'll turn into a p$%^ing contest I'm afraid.
If you can afford going through the hell that I can only imagine about at this point...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 14, 2014, 03:14:47 PM
having  dansdeals associated with it can only do harm.  Better to just had very  soon post on the topic buy without specific cases
And then e/o involved with this case think to themselves that SunGames is perfectly okay, and that they're too smart to get involve in a scam.

If he's afraid of the post being SunGames centric, then post examples of scams to hit the Jewish community in the past, and mention SunGames as an example of being a current scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 12:25:46 AM
And then e/o involved with this case think to themselves that SunGames is perfectly okay, and that they're too smart to get involve in a scam.

If he's afraid of the post being SunGames centric, then post examples of scams to hit the Jewish community in the past, and mention SunGames as an example of being a current scam.
I don't know that it is smart to mention a specific entity. That can lead to problems.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on June 15, 2014, 12:31:42 AM
I know of a specific case where the guy got bought into this "scam". When I heard about it he was very scared that his wife would find out,  and it would cause issues.
Maybe that's another reason not to mention the name of the scam!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 15, 2014, 02:14:26 AM
I don't know that it is smart to mention a specific entity. That can lead to problems.
Without doing that, no one involved in this scam will have any idea that they're involved in a scam.
He should double check with a lawyer to ensure there's no libel, but once he gets the okay, this could do a lot of good for the community and it would certainly be a meritorious deed (mitzva).
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: dans fan on June 15, 2014, 03:21:03 AM
I can't even get past what the title should be.  Why do orthodox jews fall prey to stupid scams? Why do people fall prey to stupid scams?
b/c they are naive and think someone else with a orthodox appearance can be trusted, i highly doubt that the numbers of ppl getting scammed would be so high if the company rep/sales rep/scammer were not frum
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 08:50:15 AM
Without doing that, no one involved in this scam will have any idea that they're involved in a scam.
He should double check with a lawyer to ensure there's no libel, but once he gets the okay, this could do a lot of good for the community and it would certainly be a meritorious deed (mitzva).
dealing with a meritless lawsuit isn't exactly a walk in the park.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 15, 2014, 09:13:26 AM
dealing with a meritless lawsuit isn't exactly a walk in the park.
So how about a mass campaign of writing into the AG and press groups.
Or if anyone has contacts at the local frum papers?

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 15, 2014, 09:30:16 AM
dealing with a meritless lawsuit isn't exactly a walk in the park.
Lawsuit from who?? You dont have to name names, just write that the whole company is a shell with no viable business or plan. (As is obvious from their audited financial statements)
 This means that any investment model is based on profiting of others who will lose money. Anyone who convinces you to pump cash into a shell is a scammer. Its that simple.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2014, 10:50:49 AM
Why do these MLMs seem to center on Lakewood?
I mean I understand there's a higher percentage of people learning instead of working, but do people in Willi or CH not go for this stuff at the same rate?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yakov116 on June 15, 2014, 10:52:31 AM
Why do these MLMs seem to center on Lakewood?
I mean I understand there's a higher percentage of people learning instead of working, but do people in Willi or CH not go for this stuff at the same rate?
Is this stuff on the books?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 15, 2014, 10:54:34 AM
Why do these MLMs seem to center on Lakewood?
I mean I understand there's a higher percentage of people learning instead of working, but do people in Willi or CH not go for this stuff at the same rate?
this one is definitely not centered in Lakewood. It  has its roots in monsey and its tentacles are much more widespread
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on June 15, 2014, 11:09:16 AM
this one is definitely not centered in Lakewood. It  has its roots in monsey and its tentacles are much more widespread
Thanks.
What ever happened with the MHA one?  What other big ones have there been?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 11:21:26 AM
Lawsuit from who?? You dont have to name names, just write that the whole company is a shell with no viable business or plan. (As is obvious from their audited financial statements)
 This means that any investment model is based on profiting of others who will lose money. Anyone who convinces you to pump cash into a shell is a scammer. Its that simple.
I think you are confusing issues. The OP is not about investing in their stock. I don't think that is the real scam aspect of this. Anyone who invests in an OTC stock had better be ready to lose money. Many of them have similar disclaimers. The real discussion is the whole shtick with the tablets and rebates. That is an outright scam to swipe a card for tablets you never get and file for rebates and can be federal fraud. To name a company in that regard is to call the company criminal and is inviting a lawsuit from the corporate entity and its investors and officers.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on June 15, 2014, 11:23:16 AM
Thanks.
What ever happened with the MHA one?  What other big ones have there been?
Veridian!   Lol.

In all seriousness though, while consumers should check their bill every month, at the end of the day tons of people signed up and then didnt realize when the Veridian price shot up.

So the agent makes a few bucks in comissions at the cost of many thousands of wasted dollars on higher utility bills.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 15, 2014, 11:26:58 AM
I think you are confusing issues. The OP is not about investing in their stock. I don't think that is the real scam aspect of this. Anyone who invests in an OTC stock had better be ready to lose money. Many of them have similar disclaimers. The real discussion is the whole shtick with the tablets and rebates. That is an outright scam to swipe a card for tablets you never get and file for rebates and can be federal fraud. To name a company in that regard is to call the company criminal and is inviting a lawsuit from the corporate entity and its investors and officers.
Ok, I honestly don't understand wth this is all about.
Its like if I call myself a merchant, swipe your card, and then you do a dispute? Why wont the bank come after me for the money??
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 15, 2014, 11:28:26 AM
Veridian!   Lol.

In all seriousness though, while consumers should check their bill every month, at the end of the day tons of people signed up and then didnt realize when the Veridian price shot up.

So the agent makes a few bucks in comissions at the cost of many thousands of wasted dollars on higher utility bills.
Veridien MLM scam is still alive in lakewood. Its insane how people are still being convinced that they can get rich doing this...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 15, 2014, 11:28:37 AM
Thanks.
What ever happened with the MHA one?
same guy
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 15, 2014, 11:31:14 AM
same guy
And here is a name:
Anyone hear of www.MyHarvestAmerica.com? I was wondering if it's a scam. You can get $300 prepaid debit card for only $255. Did anybody out there here about it or sign up for it? I want to if anyone had any problems with them. I already took the chance and signed up for it. I figured, if it's a scam, I'll just dispute the charge. So far it's great and really worth it. If you want to sign up, let me know, I'll tell you how. First just check out the sight and google it for scams. (I didn't find any scam report on it, let me know if you do) BTW, on a side note, you can also make money by signing up people under your account. Sounds sketchy....until my brother got his check!! (I'm waitng for mine too)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 15, 2014, 11:31:32 AM
The real discussion is the whole shtick with the tablets and rebates. That is an outright scam to swipe a card for tablets you never get
incorrect, you do receive the tablets, it's just at many times the face value and you don't want them to begin with
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 15, 2014, 11:38:11 AM
Lawsuit from who?? You dont have to name names, just write that the whole company is a shell with no viable business or plan. (As is obvious from their audited financial statements)
 This means that any investment model is based on profiting of others who will lose money. Anyone who convinces you to pump cash into a shell is a scammer. Its that simple.
Great point.
Dan can quote from their financial statements and explain what that means. And then give previous examples of these cases.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: zh cohen on June 15, 2014, 11:40:05 AM
I can't even get past what the title should be.

Maybe something like "Great Deal or (adjective) Scam? How to tell the difference"
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 11:40:27 AM
incorrect, you do receive the tablets, it's just at many times the face value and you don't want them to begin with
that is not what the OP wrote
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 15, 2014, 11:43:18 AM
that is not what the OP wrote
well that is the case
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 11:43:35 AM
Veridian!   Lol.

In all seriousness though, while consumers should check their bill every month, at the end of the day tons of people signed up and then didnt realize when the Veridian price shot up.

So the agent makes a few bucks in comissions at the cost of many thousands of wasted dollars on higher utility bills.


Veridien MLM scam is still alive in lakewood. Its insane how people are still being convinced that they can get rich doing this...
Couldn't agree more. I can't stand the energy MLMs. Their customers end up losing tons and are soured on the whole energy deregulation which when done right can save tons for commercial customers.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 11:47:27 AM
incorrect, you do receive the tablets, it's just at many times the face value and you don't want them to begin with


that is not what the OP wrote


well that is the case
Fine, but that is the portion which is the real issue anyhow.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 15, 2014, 12:04:21 PM
Great point.
Dan can quote from their financial statements and explain what that means. And then give previous examples of these cases.
And here is an article that does the leg work.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1466721-sungame-a-penny-stock-trading-for-2_1-billion
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 12:36:13 PM
Ok, I honestly don't understand wth this is all about.
Its like if I call myself a merchant, swipe your card, and then you do a dispute? Why wont the bank come after me for the money??
it seems you do get a cheap product that you have no interest in but pay a lot for it which is supposed to get a rebate. You apparently get the item so you can't dispute. Besides, that was the answer for MHA as well and it didn't work out so well for everyone.


Great point.
Dan can quote from their financial statements and explain what that means. And then give previous examples of these cases.


And here is an article that does the leg work.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1466721-sungame-a-penny-stock-trading-for-2_1-billion
You are still stuck on the stock::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 15, 2014, 12:42:45 PM
it seems you do get a cheap product that you have no interest in but pay a lot for it which is supposed to get a rebate. You apparently get the item so you can't dispute. Besides, that was the answer for MHA as well and it didn't work out so well for everyone.


 You are still stuck on the stock::)
So they are trying to boost fake "sales" by issuing rebates? Still dont get it.
Do they promise to rebate you more than you pay in? 
Is this the only hook; or does it have something to do with "investing in a multi billion dollar corp, that is going to outmaneuver facebook, google and twitter"?   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on June 15, 2014, 12:52:37 PM

1)Do they promise to rebate you more than you pay in? 
2)Is this the only hook; or does it have something to do with "investing in a multi billion dollar corp, that is going to outmaneuver facebook, google and twitter"?
yes and yes
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on June 15, 2014, 01:35:53 PM
The guy I know was promised a well over 100%return
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 15, 2014, 01:36:02 PM
You are still stuck on the stock::)

Nothing to do w/ the stock.
It's so he can write the post in such a way that it doesn't sound like he has sour grapes, but rather, he's relying on the financial statements to show that the company could collapse any moment.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 02:28:52 PM
Nothing to do w/ the stock.
It's so he can write the post in such a way that it doesn't sound like he has sour grapes, but rather, he's relying on the financial statements to show that the company could collapse any moment.
that out can collapse is not the main problem
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on June 15, 2014, 02:40:19 PM
that out can collapse is not the main problem
It's one of the main problems cuz it shows the company is a fraud.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on June 15, 2014, 03:20:56 PM
Any OTC company will look the same. The financial statements will almost always give the whole highly speculative statement
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Something Fishy on June 26, 2014, 11:31:21 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584

Very well said. Short and to the point without pointing (too many) fingers.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: jaywhy on June 26, 2014, 11:35:58 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584

Very well said. Short and to the point without pointing (too many) fingers..
+100
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: joey123 on June 26, 2014, 11:39:17 PM
+100

Excellent Job! Shkoyach Dan!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MC on June 26, 2014, 11:55:03 PM
Great post, hope it reaches the people who need their awareness raised.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: george on June 27, 2014, 12:20:33 AM
Very smart to write ScamHarvestGamesAmerica, it won't come up in Google search but it is clear enough to the reader.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Fan of Dan on June 27, 2014, 02:10:40 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584

Very well said. Short and to the point without pointing (too many) fingers.
+1. It's amazing how foolish people can be and 2 points to Dan for helping people use their heads. What frustrates me (understatement of the year) about these scams is how many people fall for them and how some people who realize the scam have no qualms about causing people to lose money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: joey123 on June 27, 2014, 07:28:33 AM
+1. It's amazing how foolish people can be and 2 points to Dan for helping people use their heads. What frustrates me (understatement of the year) about these scams is how many people fall for them and how some people who realize the scam have no qualms about causing people to lose money.

When a deal in set up as a pyramid scheme, the consumer shouldn't allow the salesman to even start his pitch-- the deal is too good to be true. Everyone just needs to be an educated consumer (Just thought of Syms A'h).
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PraiseCanada on June 27, 2014, 11:22:29 AM

+100

I find that lately the Yeshivas are putting the boys to work. Even if in a totally legitimate way I.e. fundraising, cooking, cleaning etc. The parents are sending their children to yeshiva to learn Torah. They are paying tuition to a Yeshiva to look after them. Besides for Purim it is unacceptable to send boys out collecting. Maybe allow them to put up a cholent for Friday night, but to cook a whole Shabbos??

How much more so to involve them in something like this. What does it teach them? How will the Rosh explain when everyone is in 25K debt due to this scam?

Fool.
Most parents are not paying full tuition, and often not any tuition at all.. which is exactly why they need to be sent out collecting sometimes. The solution is not to limit the bochurim's contribution to making Cholent, but to make them into productive people so a few short years later they can be the generous alumni that keep the place going. This is exactly what keeps most colleges and universities going. You've ever seen collectors for Princeton?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: nikone on June 29, 2014, 09:41:05 AM
Very smart to write ScamHarvestGamesAmerica, it won't come up in Google search but it is clear enough to the reader.

Since I am not in the know on any MLM, because I too believe they are mostly scams, my curiosity bought me to the forum... cant figure out who or what is ScamHarvestGamesAmerica.. pm me anyone??!?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on July 03, 2014, 08:17:01 PM
Although this all started by some, possibly well meaning, but extremely dumb and desperate balei batim, it has evolved into something really disgusting. They are claiming that this investment has the almighty 'daas torah' seal of approval. They are too embarrassed to put the name of the 'daas torah' out there (If it's legitimate, wouldn't it make sense to do so, so they can attract more investors?), but this daas torah has no problem using his rabbinical position to con others into investing, all under the guise of it being a chessed, with the arrangement that he get a cut of the action for his "charity", aka 'his own pocket'.

Rabbis should be the ones that protect their constituents from this exact type of con, yet he used the full authority of his position to further this sick cause, by getting more investors. Abuse of his power for personal gain.

Unfortunately there are so many gullible people out there, all you need is one nice, albeit naive, person to invest, and then the sales pitch becomes, "Well if this nice person invested, it must be legitimate". But when you have a "rabbi" involved, well then, you don't even need that,  it's got a daas torah hashgacha!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on July 04, 2014, 12:24:58 AM
Although this all started by some, possibly well meaning, but extremely dumb and desperate balei batim, it has evolved into something really disgusting. They are claiming that this investment has the almighty 'daas torah' seal of approval. They are too embarrassed to put the name of the 'daas torah' out there (If it's legitimate, wouldn't it make sense to do so, so they can attract more investors?), but this daas torah has no problem using his rabbinical position to con others into investing, all under the guise of it being a chessed, with the arrangement that he get a cut of the action for his "charity", aka 'his own pocket'.

Rabbis should be the ones that protect their constituents from this exact type of con, yet he used the full authority of his position to further this sick cause, by getting more investors. Abuse of his power for personal gain.

Unfortunately there are so many gullible people out there, all you need is one nice, albeit naive, person to invest, and then the sales pitch becomes, "Well if this nice person invested, it must be legitimate". But when you have a "rabbi" involved, well then, you don't even need that,  it's got a daas torah hashgacha!

So no one knows who these rabbis are?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 04, 2014, 12:41:16 AM
So no one knows who these rabbis are?
Sounds like DannyNJ does...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on July 04, 2014, 10:34:54 AM
So no one knows who these rabbis are?
either the tens of yeshivas who were conned are what he is considering his daas Torah or they are bluffing
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on July 04, 2014, 11:04:19 AM
The yeshivas who invested are just as inexperienced and desperate-for-money as the organizers of this scam. I’m talking about another “rabbi, aka daas torah” who is aiding the organizers to add more investors, by exploiting his own clout to influence others to put money in, so he can line his own pockets. The complete polar opposite of what a ‘daas torah’ should be doing. Weary investors are being assuaged with messages that all is well, have no fear, there is ‘daas torah’ on board. Disgusting…
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on July 04, 2014, 11:56:46 AM
The yeshivas who invested are just as inexperienced and desperate-for-money as the organizers of this scam. I’m talking about another “rabbi, aka daas torah” who is aiding the organizers to add more investors, by exploiting his own clout to influence others to put money in, so he can line his own pockets. The complete polar opposite of what a ‘daas torah’ should be doing. Weary investors are being assuaged with messages that all is well, have no fear, there is ‘daas torah’ on board. Disgusting…
I'm pretty confident that there is no daas Torah helping them out regardless of what they maintain
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on July 04, 2014, 03:07:49 PM
I'm pretty confident that there is no daas Torah helping them out regardless of what they maintain
You’re absolutely right; the rabbi involved is the furthest thing from ‘daas torah’.  I cited the words ‘daas torah’ sarcastically; however, unfortunately, the organizers of this scam peddle this notion as such.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on July 08, 2014, 04:29:32 PM
  How come no one is saying names? The people involved in this scam are still trying to raise more money !  I believe I know the name of the Rabbi that must be involved (not 100%)- he is a stupid guy. Desperate Rabonim do desperate things- with other peoples money!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on July 08, 2014, 04:52:42 PM
+1 we need names
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on July 08, 2014, 04:56:23 PM
  How come no one is saying names? The people involved in this scam are still trying to raise more money !  I believe I know the name of the Rabbi that must be involved (not 100%)- he is a stupid guy. Desperate Rabonim do desperate things- with other peoples money!
I said this before and I'll say it again, there is no rabbi nor any so called rabbi involved,  regardless of what the scam originators claim
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on July 08, 2014, 04:57:51 PM
so give the names of the non rabbi's behind it
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on July 08, 2014, 05:33:42 PM
so give the names of the non rabbi's behind it
and how will you then proceed to stop it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on July 09, 2014, 09:17:42 AM
 From what I hear and know, the Rov involved collects for a lot for different charities - one may be a Hachnosas Kallah Fund- and supports himself like that. He is always involved with "deals" and "raising money" for his causes. He is always desperate for money and I think he recently got involved with a school.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mena613 on July 09, 2014, 10:07:53 AM

Why does this 6bn company not offer to lay out the money in advance and then ask people to swipe there cards rather then the other way.

Does anybody know what ever happened with that continental Airlines scam ?

It Was also supported by many moiseds
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on July 09, 2014, 02:41:37 PM
Why does this 6bn company not offer to lay out the money in advance and then ask people to swipe there cards rather then the other way.
What does being a $6 billion dollar company have to do with having cash on hand?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 09, 2014, 04:50:47 PM
What does being a $6 billion dollar company have to do with having cash on hand?
Any company of that size will have presence in the capital markets and can easily burrow
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 09, 2014, 04:51:44 PM
and how will you then proceed to stop it?
Call the FBI
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mena613 on July 10, 2014, 08:07:54 AM
What does being a $6 billion dollar company have to do with having cash on hand?


If they anyway plan on returning the money right away, why not give it to the "investor" before the CC use
rather then after...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on July 10, 2014, 09:01:50 AM
Also, if you want to get scammed, why do you need to give it to these ganovim. I'll offer the same terms they are, and I'll pay out at the same rate they do.

I bet shuls could do this as a fundraiser--offer the same terms to their congregants as scams do.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on July 10, 2014, 09:30:12 AM
Also, if you want to get scammed, why do you need to give it to these ganovim. I'll offer the same terms they are, and I'll pay out at the same rate they do.

I bet shuls could do this as a fundraiser--offer the same terms to their congregants as scams do.
That's a great idea. I think you should start a business that does that for shuls.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 10, 2014, 11:28:57 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/nonexistent-social-network-worth-4-billion.html
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on July 14, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
 I heard over the weekend in the mountains  that this Rabbi M from Monsey has been encouraging his mispallelim to keep putting money into this Sungame scam. From what i have heard is that they have already put in over 500,000. They are saying that Rabbi M is expecting to complete his shul construction with this deal. Does anyone know who this crackpot is?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 06, 2014, 11:16:22 AM
Someone posted this:
Sungame Scam Alert Awareness Blog
http://sungamescam.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dr Moose on August 06, 2014, 11:19:18 AM
Someone posted this:
Sungame Scam Alert Awareness Blog
http://sungamescam.blogspot.com/

Quote
4Sorry i cant believe it anymore (wolf....wolf....) do you still remember when we had a singed latter and all this .... people don't even thing of believing this guy ITS A SCAM !!!!
what's that?

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 06, 2014, 11:43:23 AM
what's that?
Signed letter
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2014, 01:07:03 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 13, 2014, 01:15:51 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
I would be scared If I were you.
She sounds very important.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 13, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
Tzadaikus! Mamash an angel!

If she's serious that they've lost money due to you, then you've done a big mitzvah.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 13, 2014, 01:25:21 PM
She sounds like she struggles with mental issues.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Boruch999 on August 13, 2014, 01:26:10 PM
ROTFL
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Boruch999 on August 13, 2014, 01:28:30 PM
I think it's really MosheP who better call his lawyer :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2014, 01:32:12 PM
The VM is a few weeks old.
I never did hear from any lawyuhs in fancy suits.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 13, 2014, 01:34:47 PM
The woman probably made a large investment and has not received her principal back. When she asked, they probably told her it's Dan's fault. Just a guess.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on August 13, 2014, 01:36:35 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
Sounds like a prank
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: lubaby on August 13, 2014, 01:40:02 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
For a minute I though she was asking you to call up and ask for Mechila. but then..
Quote
If you were smart, you'd actually call up and try to get on it and make a lot of money on it.
Why does she keep reiterating that "we're all the way at the end"? That sounds like they are about to get blown to pieces and want a last few fish to come along for the ride.

Sounds like blackmail; I'm paraphrasing the closing message "if you don't sign up for our service, we're going to press charges against you".
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: stbaum on August 13, 2014, 01:57:12 PM
how adorable. they have "expensive and respectable lawyers".
what about her promise to keep it short??
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ShlockDoc on August 13, 2014, 01:57:40 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4

You really should tweet that today's the last day of DD and not keep is as a secret for the pros.  I'm using WikiSave to back up all the information to my PC as fast as I can....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: joeb1 on August 13, 2014, 02:06:48 PM
i never laughed so hard in my life!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: george on August 13, 2014, 02:12:15 PM
Unreal. Wow. ALOL.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 13, 2014, 02:12:37 PM
i never laughed so hard in my life!!
I can see your life isnt quite so exciting
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 14, 2014, 01:15:22 AM
I can see your life isnt quite so exciting
Uncalled for. He likely has a great life, and something in this call triggered his funny bone.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 14, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
how adorable. they have "expensive and respectable lawyers".
what about her promise to keep it short??

lol, I have a hard time being impressed by how expensive lawyers are.  I'm pretty sure they aren't more expensive than me.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avibrooklyn on August 14, 2014, 02:37:34 AM
The VM is a few weeks old.
I never did hear from any lawyuhs in fancy suits.

Dan in your post on the main site you never mentioned their name ?? so even if she was serious what case could they make against you??  ???
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 14, 2014, 03:47:56 AM
I'm pretty sure they aren't more expensive than me.
You work in the world's oldest profession?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 14, 2014, 08:45:34 AM
Thanks Dan for the eye-opening voicemail. In the frum community, as long as there are gullible people willing to be conned by scam-artist “daas torah” “rabbis” who will do anything to make a quick buck for personal gain, then there will always be victims. The strong conviction of the woman on the voicemail only comes about because her internal apprehension for investing is assuaged by knowledge that a “daas torah rabbi” is involved, which is how these scam artists are packaging all this to investors. The “rabbi” involved is already known to be an extremely crooked individual (he collects for dubious charities and investments), and he joined this bandwagon of scammers, using his clout, to recruit more investors.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 14, 2014, 08:52:55 AM
Thanks Dan for the eye-opening voicemail. In the frum community, as long as there are gullible people willing to be conned by scam-artist “daas torah” “rabbis” who will do anything to make a quick buck for personal gain, then there will always be victims. The strong conviction of the woman on the voicemail only comes about because her internal apprehension for investing is assuaged by knowledge that a “daas torah rabbi” is involved, which is how these scam artists are packaging all this to investors. The “rabbi” involved is already known to be an extremely crooked individual (he collects for dubious charities and investments), and he joined this bandwagon of scammers, using his clout, to recruit more investors.
Why do you keep mentioning this "rabbi". It has nothing to do with anything. People joined for a get rich quick scheme, not because of daas torah!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: california on August 14, 2014, 08:56:14 AM
Thanks Dan for the eye-opening voicemail. In the frum community, as long as there are gullible people willing to be conned by scam-artist “daas torah” “rabbis” who will do anything to make a quick buck for personal gain, then there will always be victims. The strong conviction of the woman on the voicemail only comes about because her internal apprehension for investing is assuaged by knowledge that a “daas torah rabbi” is involved, which is how these scam artists are packaging all this to investors. The “rabbi” involved is already known to be an extremely crooked individual (he collects for dubious charities and investments), and he joined this bandwagon of scammers, using his clout, to recruit more investors.
Are you a victim?  I see ur only posting in this thread.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 14, 2014, 08:57:48 AM
People are so stupid. They have been "close to the end" for over 5 months!
  There is a shul in Monsey that put together over a million dollars thinking they will get a 250% return in 3 weeks. Its now months later and they have not even received their principal back. All they got was a crappy tablet!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 14, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
Why do you keep mentioning this "rabbi". It has nothing to do with anything. People joined for a get rich quick scheme, not because of daas torah!

You are correct that this “deal” did not originate with this “rabbi”, he only joined a little later on, but he has become a major reason this scam continues to have legs, he recruits and alleviates the fears of current investors.

I feel that there will always be stupid balei batim, simple laymen, who are willing to con and be conned. However, I take tremendous umbrage when a so called “rabbi” gets involved. Now you have someone who’s supposed to protect doing the complete opposite, by peddling his position as affirmation to this investment’s authenticity. He should know better, he DOES know better, but it’s other’s people’s money he’s willing to play with. He sullied the hallowed position of “rabbi”, a title that is supposed to mean something, that is why I highlight his involvement.

Unfortunately a relative of mine is invested (I only found out after the fact), and as this still is ongoing, I am afraid of jeopardizing things. I know this is a flimsy excuse, and I wish I had the courage to plaster his name all over, but I am afraid to rock the boat.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on August 14, 2014, 09:30:05 AM
People are so stupid. They have been "close to the end" for over 5 months!
  There is a shul in Monsey that put together over a million dollars thinking they will get a 250% return in 3 weeks. Its now months later and they have not even received their principal back. All they got was a crappy tablet!
Which Shul?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on August 14, 2014, 09:33:55 AM
You work in the world's oldest profession?
Prostitution?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 14, 2014, 09:38:45 AM
 The shul with the dumbest mispellelim. They tried to get me into this deal and i laughed at them. I told them i would rather invest in Enron!
I just feel bad for them that they were looking at the big quick return but not looking at the whole deal with eyes open. I told them that then and continue to tell them that between every aliya on shabbos!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 14, 2014, 10:00:21 AM

The shul with the dumbest mispellelim. They tried to get me into this deal and i laughed at them. I told them i would rather invest in Enron!
I just feel bad for them that they were looking at the big quick return but not looking at the whole deal with eyes open. I told them that then and continue to tell them that between every aliya on shabbos!

They talk between Aliyas?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ShlockDoc on August 14, 2014, 10:01:36 AM
They talk between Aliyas?

He did say they're dumb...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 14, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4

this is EPIC!!!!!

She sounds like she never used a computer in her life.....

and does she mean at the end? Sounds like the Apocalypse....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 14, 2014, 10:15:15 AM

this is EPIC!!!!!

She sounds like she never used a computer in her life.....

and does she mean at the end? Sounds like the Apocalypse....

I think she means before her arrest.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: stbaum on August 14, 2014, 10:48:32 AM
I think she means before her arrest.
not to worry. she has expensive and respectable lawyers...  :D ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 14, 2014, 01:08:18 PM
Sungame (and its sub companies, Freevi, Energy TV, etc) lures investors by touting their proprietary 3D display technology, with the promise that a major tech company will imminently buy out for billions.

Exhibit 1:
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/sungame-corporation-announces-launch-flightdeck-commander-glasses-free-3d-android-tablet-otcbb-sgmz-1788952.htm

Exhibit 2:
http://www.commander3d.com/

Exhibit 3:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9InMpSijopwesMtiiZewqA/videos

If you had a chance to get your hands on their tablet, go to the android menu, click 'about', and see that it is a model "A6100".

This model A6100 tablet is manufactured by a Chinese company, Truly Industrial Ltd, and can be custom ordered in quantities of 1,000 units under your personal brand name.
See here:
http://www.globalmarket.com/product-info/amazingd-3d-tablet-pc-2482462.html

This is exactly what Sungame did. They purport to be on the leading edge of technology, but it's simply a custom-logo-embossed door prize for investors, and more importantly, a means to show regulatory agencies that they are in a legitimate business of selling products (which they are technically, reselling another manufacturer's tech product, under your own branded name) . This is a scam, plain and simple.

See news item:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1377857/asc-alleges-neil-chandran-and-energy-tv-inc-perpetrated-a-fraud
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: lubaby on August 14, 2014, 01:11:24 PM
Sungame (and its sub companies, Freevi, Energy TV, etc) lures investors by touting their proprietary 3D display technology, with the promise that a major tech company will imminently buy out for billions.

Exhibit 1:
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/sungame-corporation-announces-launch-flightdeck-commander-glasses-free-3d-android-tablet-otcbb-sgmz-1788952.htm

Exhibit 2:
http://www.commander3d.com/

Exhibit 3:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9InMpSijopwesMtiiZewqA/videos

If you had a chance to get your hands on their tablet, go to the android menu, click 'about', and see that it is a model "A6100".

This model A6100 tablet is manufactured by a Chinese company, Truly Industrial Ltd, and can be custom ordered in quantities of 1,000 units under your personal brand name.
See here:
http://www.globalmarket.com/product-info/amazingd-3d-tablet-pc-2482462.html

This is exactly what Sungame did. They purport to be on the leading edge of technology, but it's simply a custom-logo-embossed door prize for investors, and more importantly, a means to show regulatory agencies that they are in a legitimate business of selling products (which they are technically, reselling another manufacturer's tech product, under your own branded name) . This is a scam, plain and simple.

See news item:
http://www.newswire.ca/en/story/1377857/asc-alleges-neil-chandran-and-energy-tv-inc-perpetrated-a-fraud
How dare you come here and warn people about the shadiness of this organization  :o
Please post your phone number so we can arrange scary threatening phone calls for you  :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2014, 01:35:37 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on August 14, 2014, 01:36:45 PM
I'd be worried about inviting trouble. That's just me.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 14, 2014, 01:38:42 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?
Probably a big mitzvah.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2014, 01:39:46 PM
I'd be worried about inviting trouble. That's just me.
+1 that is taunting. In the first post you were not specific.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on August 14, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
I still can't believe that anyone normal is investing in this butt if there is hearing that voicemail should help the last few get out
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on August 14, 2014, 01:43:08 PM
Probably a big mitzvah.
I doubt that. Posting again about the situation is one thing. But posting her message on a main site might just bring trouble you don't want and then there's the issue of the  embarrassment you might cause her.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avibrooklyn on August 14, 2014, 01:48:08 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?

you never mentioned any specific company on ddms ..
but now if you post the voicemail  you would be "initiating" a machlokes
as they say "when a dog barks do u bark back"   ??


my .02   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 14, 2014, 01:52:49 PM
How dare you come here and warn people about the shadiness of this organization  :o
Please post your phone number so we can arrange scary threatening phone calls for you  :P
I know, its terrible  ;)
Thanks
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 14, 2014, 02:00:10 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?

They deserve a good taunting.   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2014, 02:03:14 PM
They deserve a good taunting.
true but it's a recipe for problems
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: stbaum on August 14, 2014, 02:04:28 PM
true but it's a recipe for problems
+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 14, 2014, 02:05:45 PM
true but it's a recipe for problems

I don't want to give an opinion here that may be mistaken for legal advice, so I'll shut up.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MC on August 14, 2014, 02:13:55 PM

I don't want to give an opinion here that may be mistaken for legal advice, so I'll shut up.
It only counts if you're a really expensive lawyer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 14, 2014, 02:18:11 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?
Im all for it, knowing the people involved it actually Might make them rethink some things. Although If you do i would blur out names
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on August 14, 2014, 02:25:01 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?

I don't think posting it would change the opinion of anyone already invested in it.
If there are any 'expensive lawyers' though, making a public statement might just be inviting trouble for no reason.

BTW, I think the original DDMS post you did on this was excellent, kol hakavod!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2014, 02:30:02 PM
I don't want to give an opinion here that may be mistaken for legal advice, so I'll shut up.
being legally in the right doesn't always save the hassle of defending it
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Incidentally- what are the laws about slander? Are you allowed to slander somebody under the first amendment?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: menachem_m on August 14, 2014, 02:36:26 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe4007 on August 14, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
Dan in your post on the main site you never mentioned their name ?? so even if she was serious what case could they make against you??  ???


you never mentioned any specific company on ddms .. 
Actually I think it was mentioned, but it was removed afterwards. See the following post:
Very smart to write ScamHarvestGamesAmerica, it won't come up in Google search but it is clear enough to the reader.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe4007 on August 14, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Think I should main site the voicemail or am I inviting trouble for no reason?
I wouldn't dignify it with a response.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions
Still not sure what the difference between stating an opinion and slandering... or can you be liable for stating a slanderous opinion?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: menachem_m on August 14, 2014, 02:56:15 PM
Apparently if your a "public figure" you must prove “actual malice.”

My source:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/24/the-glenn-beck-defense-against-boston-marathon-bombings-defamation-suit/
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 03:11:10 PM
If Mrs. Whatever-her-name-is actually suffered damages because of what Dan said about Sungames- can she even sue on behalf of Sungames?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 03:13:38 PM
Strange how Jews are so often the scammers and so often the naive ones being scammed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 14, 2014, 03:22:12 PM
There needs to be basic financial education in frum communities (even the ones that avoid limudei chol) it's not just MLM scams its also ponzi schemes and building projects in Israel etc. So many people are at risk at losing everything because my friend looked into it or "he's frum" .....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 14, 2014, 03:32:46 PM

There needs to be basic financial education in frum communities (even the ones that avoid limudei chol) it's not just MLM scams its also ponzi schemes and building projects in Israel etc. So many people are at risk at losing everything because my friend looked into it or "he's frum" .....

It's not the lack of education. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 14, 2014, 03:34:21 PM
It's not the lack of education.
Rather? Part of the education needs to be not to believe random people
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 14, 2014, 03:51:42 PM
Rather? Part of the education needs to be not to believe random people
But then what do you do when the rov of your shul is the one pushing a scam? (As is also happening in this case) Aren't the congregants supposed to trust him?

It's simply educating people to be honest, straight, and teach them what it means to have a work ethic, don't look for the sleazy quick buck, make an honest living. People who have these solid values don't invest in this type of scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on August 14, 2014, 04:02:05 PM
It's not the lack of education.
+a million
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2014, 04:07:33 PM
It's not the lack of education. 
How many doctors, lawyers, and accountants do you think are invested in this?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 04:09:16 PM
How many doctors, lawyers, and accountants do you think are invested in this?
Hey, the smart ones who bought the stocks and shorted them in time!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2014, 04:12:04 PM
How many doctors, lawyers, and accountants do you think are invested in this?
how many of them invested in Madoff?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 04:22:19 PM
how many of them invested in Madoff?
Madoff was a well known, reputable name at that time
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 04:23:28 PM
But then what do you do when the rov of your shul is the one pushing a scam? (As is also happening in this case) Aren't the congregants supposed to trust him?

It's simply educating people to be honest, straight, and teach them what it means to have a work ethic, don't look for the sleazy quick buck, make an honest living. People who have these solid values don't invest in this type of scam.
I think a lot of problems would be solved if just the Rabbonim got some solid secular education.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 14, 2014, 04:25:16 PM
How many doctors, lawyers, and accountants do you think are invested in this?
They are usually not involved in these schemes ever since they are living check to check, and the notion of making a possibly quick dollar on shady businesses is not as tantalizing
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2014, 04:33:35 PM
They are usually not involved in these schemes ever since they are living check to check, and the notion of making a possibly quick dollar on shady businesses is not as tantalizing
More reason for people to get some education...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 14, 2014, 04:36:21 PM

More reason for people to get some education...

The OP was referring to *financial* education, as if the lack thereof was the cause.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2014, 04:37:05 PM
Madoff was a well known, reputable name at that time
and Dwek, Shick, Weinstein, Rothstein, etc.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 14, 2014, 04:43:25 PM
It only counts if you're a really expensive lawyer.

Paging AJK.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: wayfe on August 14, 2014, 04:46:56 PM
and Dwek, Shick, Weinstein, Rothstein, etc.
I actually don't know those names. But Madoff was a NASDAQ chairman, so it's a lot more understandable if doctors and lawyers invested in him.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2014, 05:35:01 PM
Let's just say they were ponzis which had many professionals and successful businessmen invested in them.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: stbaum on August 15, 2014, 12:25:05 PM
from tumblr
(http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-13-at-9.53.03-PM.jpg)

original link (http://www.pleated-jeans.com/2014/08/14/tumblr-gets-deep-20-pics-7/)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ariIs on August 15, 2014, 12:32:28 PM

More reason for people to get some education...

While I agree that the lack of secular education is a problem in the NY frum community, I don't think that the propensity to fall for these scams is because of it.

People have little exposure to the secular world, and have ingrained in them trust of other frum ppl. Not a bad thing in itself, but scams like these appear clearly as scams only to someone who has been exposed to similar stuff before.
If someone never saw one of those 'you've won $1m!!!' Letters in the mail, I would excuse them for believing it was real at first.
Financial education might help, but I think the only thing that will really help is less isolation from the outside world.

Just my 2c.

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: EP123 on August 15, 2014, 02:13:00 PM
From all scams why are we singling out sungames? There are so many scams out there why attack this one
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 15, 2014, 02:16:10 PM
There needs to be basic financial education in frum communities (even the ones that avoid limudei chol) it's not just MLM scams its also ponzi schemes and building projects in Israel etc. So many people are at risk at losing everything because my friend looked into it or "he's frum" .....
I feel my words have been distorted
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: NYHeel on August 15, 2014, 02:25:35 PM
It's not the lack of education.
Actually I think that's exactly what it is. You have a group of intelligent people who are grossly undereducated relative to their intelligence levels making very poor financial decisions because they don't truly understand what's being done and how the financial world works. Sure there's a component of gullibility and putting too much trust in someone because he's frum, but for the most part they're not picking up on the obvious red flags because they have no experience and education in finance, math or even history. Some knowledge in these areas would help one discern obvious red flags.

There will always be scammers and suckers and sometimes even educated smart businessmen fall prey, but something this obvious should have screamed scam to anyone who heard it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on August 15, 2014, 02:54:00 PM
Wonderful voicemail.
Post it to the main site.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 15, 2014, 06:21:56 PM
Wonderful voicemail.
Post it to the main site.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 15, 2014, 07:03:30 PM
That voicemail is unreal. Definitely should be posted to the main site, with perhaps obscuring the caller's name.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 16, 2014, 08:53:31 PM
And it looks like the CEO of Sungame is a known quantity in Alberta:

http://www.albertasecurities.com/news-and-publications/Pages/customdisp.aspx?pi=1308

Quote
Alberta Securities Commission (ASC) staff have issued a notice of hearing alleging Neil Chandran and Energy TV Inc. perpetrated a fraud, and along with Chandran Holding Media Inc., raised $56 million by engaging in illegal trades and distributions.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Boruch999 on August 16, 2014, 09:25:07 PM
This

And it looks like the CEO of Sungame is a known quantity in Alberta:

http://www.albertasecurities.com/news-and-publications/Pages/customdisp.aspx?pi=1308

leads to this....

http://www.scam.com/showthread.php?t=138532
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 18, 2014, 03:08:27 PM
what happened to this blog? did someone buckle under pressure?

http://sungamescam.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on August 18, 2014, 03:12:12 PM
probably.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 18, 2014, 04:04:23 PM
what happened to this blog? did someone buckle under pressure?

http://sungamescam.blogspot.com/

Cached version still accessible, for now: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BgqIUk6bdFkJ:sungamescam.blogspot.com/+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 18, 2014, 05:34:03 PM
interesting... the counter party in the stock certificate that was posted on the (now deleted) blog is a financial firm. when you look up the address of their UK offices, it's a regus location!

then there is a sister-company to SG in that same certificate.

if you try and delve into their S1 filing and then related auditing firms original share holders (pre IPO), you find yourself in a dazzling web of corporate shenanigans that could make your eyes go square. these guys are pros.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 18, 2014, 06:03:58 PM
interesting... the counter party in the stock certificate that was posted on the (now deleted) blog is a financial firm. when you look up the address of their UK offices, it's a regus location!

then there is a sister-company to SG in that same certificate.

if you try and delve into their S1 filing and then related auditing firms original share holders (pre IPO), you find yourself in a dazzling web of corporate shenanigans that could make your eyes go square. these guys are pros.

Oh, no doubt they're pros, judging by the amount of time that they've been in this hustle and they haven't yet been caught (Alberta only catching on a few months ago). Websites and messaging are quite professional as well. Like any good fraudster, they've probably been riding on the fact that their marks are either delusional or too embarrassed to contact authorities.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 18, 2014, 09:39:45 PM
how many of them invested in Madoff?
Madoff had incredible legitimate investment success in the beginning
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on August 18, 2014, 11:07:52 PM
Madoff had incredible legitimate investment success in the beginning
Fine so the others
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 19, 2014, 04:45:46 PM
Oh, no doubt they're pros, judging by the amount of time that they've been in this hustle and they haven't yet been caught (Alberta only catching on a few months ago). Websites and messaging are quite professional as well. Like any good fraudster, they've probably been riding on the fact that their marks are either delusional or too embarrassed to contact authorities.

their website is actually the least professional part of the operation. they really shine in creating a complex web of inter-related corporations (some of which are publicly traded) to hide what is really going on. none of the these companies actually creates or delivers anything but they all serve some purpose in making the others look legit. it requires a mastermind to keep track of all that.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 19, 2014, 10:53:57 PM
their website is actually the least professional part of the operation. they really shine in creating a complex web of inter-related corporations (some of which are publicly traded) to hide what is really going on. none of the these companies actually creates or delivers anything but they all serve some purpose in making the others look legit. it requires a mastermind to keep track of all that.

You're right that it's quite complex, but they didn't create everything from thin air. It looks like Sungame was an established company about to go bankrupt- in swoops NC & Co to buy them out, and get a new "legitimate" front entity for their scamming. From an SEC filing:

Quote
Effective April 15, 2011 Sungame Corporation entered into a merger agreement with Freevi Corporation, acquiring 100% of the outstanding common stock of Freevi Corporation... The transaction was accounted for as a reverse merger as the shareholders of Freevi Corporation retained the majority of the outstanding common stock of Sungame Corporation after the share exchange... Subsequent to the April 15, 2011 recapitalization Freevi Corporation ceased to exist, with Sungame Corporation as the sole surviving entity.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 26, 2014, 07:48:01 AM
the entity behind all these shenanigans is not a creative force of any sort.  they simply play corporate games and blindside small-time investors in the financial markets by using their various shell companies for a smoke and mirrors effect. this gaming company is good at one thing: gaming the system. they will be taken down -- it is only a matter of time. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 26, 2014, 05:03:43 PM
It's down to $5 a share.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 26, 2014, 06:15:11 PM
It's down to $5 a share.

The lady on the call said we're close to the end.  ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 26, 2014, 06:23:46 PM

The lady on the call said we're close to the end.  ;)

She knew her stuff. He he.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 26, 2014, 07:16:10 PM
Meanwhile, this very expensive and professional lawyer is home early for the day for the first time in a very long time. Yay!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 26, 2014, 07:39:16 PM
Meanwhile, this very expensive and professional lawyer is home early for the day for the first time in a very long time. Yay!

His kids miss him.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 26, 2014, 07:58:16 PM
Meanwhile, this very expensive and professional lawyer is home early for the day for the first time in a very long time. Yay!
This is what they call WL balance. :-\
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 26, 2014, 08:13:49 PM
This is what they call WL balance. :-\

Yes. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on August 26, 2014, 08:14:09 PM
Meanwhile, this very expensive and professional lawyer is home early for the day for the first time in a very long time. Yay!
7:15 is early?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 26, 2014, 08:22:16 PM
Yes.
Professionals are just fancy slaves.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 26, 2014, 09:01:32 PM
7:15 is early?

I usually leave the office at like 7 and then work from home to 11 or 12. Today I left at like 530 and have only looked at a couple of emails since then.  I just didn't post till later.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 26, 2014, 09:37:37 PM
I usually leave the office at like 7 and then work from home to 11 or 12. Today I left at like 530 and have only looked at a couple of emails since then.  I just didn't post till later.
what time do they shackle you to your desk in the morning?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 26, 2014, 10:03:25 PM
what time do they shackle you to your desk in the morning?

I usually show at about 9. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: knowitall102 on August 27, 2014, 11:38:55 AM
Sorry to see so many people with so much time on their hands.

Just so you know that while you can get a company to put your logo on the tablet, you cant get the company to put the Sungame software IN the tablet. So MosheP for instance, can order Sungames tablets and have his own logo embedded into it, but when you open the tablet you realize that the MosheP logo is a scam because the name Fleightdeck (a Sungame branch) appears - revealing the original company.

Sungame is the only licensed carrier for this 3D tablet. You can not get your name in the software to be replaced.

MosheP, perhaps you have saved some people from putting money into the program, but you definitely caused 5 Million dollars of yiddishe money to be held back for the past two months. The posting of the the illegitimate receipt (which the company has long replaced with legitimate ones) is the cause of the current suffering of a few hundred families. May Hashem have mercy on your soul.

That receipt caused a hold on payments until every single person signed new ones which caused a ripple effects of more delays and frustration. It caused the auditor to ask that the last three Q's be redone. This has caused a delay in filing the current Q giving the company an E rating which caused the stock to go down to $5. MosheP, your well meaning mission was a failure. Like Elkana's wife penina, who pained chana so that chana would merit a child. Chana did eventually merit it, but the suffering Penina caused her co-wife did not go unpunished.

Shame on you and woe is to your soul MosheP.

May we all be inscribed for a kesiva vachasima tova (Even you MosheP)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: myb821 on August 27, 2014, 11:51:42 AM
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha so bc he posted a "receipt" the company gave out it led to audits and holding up of funds. Thats hilarious.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Red on August 27, 2014, 11:53:09 AM
Wow, terrible MosheP, you should be ashamed of yourself.   ;D ::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moishebatchy on August 27, 2014, 12:04:38 PM
Sorry to see so many people with so much time on their hands.

Just so you know that while you can get a company to put your logo on the tablet, you cant get the company to put the Sungame software IN the tablet. So MosheP for instance, can order Sungames tablets and have his own logo embedded into it, but when you open the tablet you realize that the MosheP logo is a scam because the name Fleightdeck (a Sungame branch) appears - revealing the original company.

Sungame is the only licensed carrier for this 3D tablet. You can not get your name in the software to be replaced.

MosheP, perhaps you have saved some people from putting money into the program, but you definitely caused 5 Million dollars of yiddishe money to be held back for the past two months. The posting of the the illegitimate receipt (which the company has long replaced with legitimate ones) is the cause of the current suffering of a few hundred families. May Hashem have mercy on your soul.

That receipt caused a hold on payments until every single person signed new ones which caused a ripple effects of more delays and frustration. It caused the auditor to ask that the last three Q's be redone. This has caused a delay in filing the current Q giving the company an E rating which caused the stock to go down to $5. MosheP, your well meaning mission was a failure. Like Elkana's wife penina, who pained chana so that chana would merit a child. Chana did eventually merit it, but the suffering Penina caused her co-wife did not go unpunished.

Shame on you and woe is to your soul MosheP.

May we all be inscribed for a kesiva vachasima tova (Even you MosheP)

Troll. Go back into your dark, foul-smelling hole in the ground.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: lubaby on August 27, 2014, 12:08:10 PM
Troll. Go back into your dark, foul-smelling hole in the ground.
(http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/22600000/Remember-Don-t-Feed-the-Trolls-fanpop-22675476-400-345.jpg)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 27, 2014, 12:12:16 PM
Sorry to see so many people with so much time on their hands.

Just so you know that while you can get a company to put your logo on the tablet, you cant get the company to put the Sungame software IN the tablet. So MosheP for instance, can order Sungames tablets and have his own logo embedded into it, but when you open the tablet you realize that the MosheP logo is a scam because the name Fleightdeck (a Sungame branch) appears - revealing the original company.

Sungame is the only licensed carrier for this 3D tablet. You can not get your name in the software to be replaced.

MosheP, perhaps you have saved some people from putting money into the program, but you definitely caused 5 Million dollars of yiddishe money to be held back for the past two months. The posting of the the illegitimate receipt (which the company has long replaced with legitimate ones) is the cause of the current suffering of a few hundred families. May Hashem have mercy on your soul.

That receipt caused a hold on payments until every single person signed new ones which caused a ripple effects of more delays and frustration. It caused the auditor to ask that the last three Q's be redone. This has caused a delay in filing the current Q giving the company an E rating which caused the stock to go down to $5. MosheP, your well meaning mission was a failure. Like Elkana's wife penina, who pained chana so that chana would merit a child. Chana did eventually merit it, but the suffering Penina caused her co-wife did not go unpunished.

Shame on you and woe is to your soul MosheP.

May we all be inscribed for a kesiva vachasima tova (Even you MosheP)

I hope you at least took advantage of the drop in stock price to buy more!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 27, 2014, 12:14:49 PM

I hope you at least took advantage of the drop in stock price to buy more!

Stupid he's not.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: knowitall102 on August 27, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
"When the game is over" and people lost their money, MosheP, YOU will be the cause of it. Not every failure is a scam. It is possible that the offer was too good for you to believe it, but if it goes down because the people who waited so long charged back their card causing bankruptcy, its YOU MosheP who caused it. The delay we are in now is YOUR doing. If it fails because the stock goes down to zero - causing and end to the company - it YOU MosheP who are responsible. When you put up the receipt, the company was at a much healthier state. MosheP, you were called by numerous people to take it down. You refused. You knew people felt threatened that they will lose their money if it was kept up. The threat they felt is now more real then ever but you continue to proudly keep it high in the sky. You want to save the world whilst knowing that keeping it is killing people. There is a family who could not buy clothing for their children in school because the money is tied up still. MosheP, we may be wrong, but we feel the your posting caused us to still be in it. We follow the story every minute of the day and know exactly where he is and what he (the CEO) is doing. We know there is a good opportunity and we know that you dont care about us.

You care to WIN the "fight", you dont care about your brothers, you care about yourself, your pride. You know it hurts people thats its up there what is your REAL reason?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 27, 2014, 01:10:57 PM
I find it hard to believe that an honorable respectable company can be brought down by one receipt :-\
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: myb821 on August 27, 2014, 01:11:29 PM
"When the game is over" and people lost their money, MosheP, YOU will be the cause of it. Not every failure is a scam. It is possible that the offer was too good for you to believe it, but if it goes down because the people who waited so long charged back their card causing bankruptcy, its YOU MosheP who caused it. The delay we are in now is YOUR doing. If it fails because the stock goes down to zero - causing and end to the company - it YOU MosheP who are responsible. When you put up the receipt, the company was at a much healthier state. MosheP, you were called by numerous people to take it down. You refused. You knew people felt threatened that they will lose their money if it was kept up. The threat they felt is now more real then ever but you continue to proudly keep it high in the sky. You want to save the world whilst knowing that keeping it is killing people. There is a family who could not buy clothing for their children in school because the money is tied up still. MosheP, we may be wrong, but we feel the your posting caused us to still be in it. We follow the story every minute of the day and know exactly where he is and what he (the CEO) is doing. We know there is a good opportunity and we know that you dont care about us.

You care to WIN the "fight", you dont care about your brothers, you care about yourself, your pride. You know it hurts people thats its up there what is your REAL reason?
You are a complete and total moron. Find me one "multi billion" dollar company that can be ruined by some random persons post on a blog. HA, you are a disgusting individual and should really go rot. Stop trying to scam people of their hard earned money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2014, 01:11:44 PM
G-d bless MosheP with arichus yamim and the ultimate harchava b'gashmius u'bruchniusfor saving so many millions of dollars.

Real billion dollar companies don't fall apart from someone posting a receipt on an internet forum.
Do you know what kind do? This kind: △
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Something Fishy on August 27, 2014, 01:12:32 PM
....

This stuff is comedy gold. Keep it coming, please.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: myb821 on August 27, 2014, 01:12:38 PM
I find it hard to believe that an honorable respectable company can be brought down by one receipt :-\
You are a complete and total moron. Find me one "multi billion" dollar company that can be ruined by some random persons post on a blog. HA, you are a disgusting individual and should really go rot. Stop trying to scam people of their hard earned money.
G-d bless MosheP with arichus yamim and the ultimate harchava b'gashmius u'bruchniusfor saving so many millions of dollars.

Real billion dollar companies don't fall apart from someone posting a receipt on an internet forum.
lol
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on August 27, 2014, 01:13:17 PM
It sounds like you're upset. Even if some people would have gotten their money back don't you think others should be warned?

I'm sorry you're in this situation and I hope you get your money back soon.
Don't let your anger over being in a sticky situation cause you to talk disrespectful to someone who was just trying to help. Especially (as you have reminded us) in Elul.   I personally and I'm sure others as well really feel for those who have been part of this situation and lost their money. It's a terrible thing. Hopefully it will work out for everyone for the best. And hopefully bringing awareness to such things will prevent the next guy from being stuck where you are now.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 27, 2014, 01:19:19 PM
"When the game is over" and people lost their money, MosheP, YOU will be the cause of it. Not every failure is a scam. It is possible that the offer was too good for you to believe it, but if it goes down because the people who waited so long charged back their card causing bankruptcy, its YOU MosheP who caused it. The delay we are in now is YOUR doing. If it fails because the stock goes down to zero - causing and end to the company - it YOU MosheP who are responsible. When you put up the receipt, the company was at a much healthier state. MosheP, you were called by numerous people to take it down. You refused. You knew people felt threatened that they will lose their money if it was kept up. The threat they felt is now more real then ever but you continue to proudly keep it high in the sky. You want to save the world whilst knowing that keeping it is killing people. There is a family who could not buy clothing for their children in school because the money is tied up still. MosheP, we may be wrong, but we feel the your posting caused us to still be in it. We follow the story every minute of the day and know exactly where he is and what he (the CEO) is doing. We know there is a good opportunity and we know that you dont care about us.

You care to WIN the "fight", you dont care about your brothers, you care about yourself, your pride. You know it hurts people thats its up there what is your REAL reason?

Wait, are you acknowledging that it may all fall apart and everyone will lose their money? So should I not invest now?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 27, 2014, 01:20:10 PM
Wait, are you acknowledging that it may all fall apart and everyone will lose their money? So should I not invest now?
I hope you at least take advantage of the drop in stock price to buy more!
:P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2014, 01:20:18 PM
Just remember folks, it's almost at the end.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 27, 2014, 01:21:45 PM
"When the game is over" and people lost their money, MosheP, YOU will be the cause of it. Not every failure is a scam. It is possible that the offer was too good for you to believe it, but if it goes down because the people who waited so long charged back their card causing bankruptcy, its YOU MosheP who caused it. The delay we are in now is YOUR doing. If it fails because the stock goes down to zero - causing and end to the company - it YOU MosheP who are responsible. When you put up the receipt, the company was at a much healthier state. MosheP, you were called by numerous people to take it down. You refused. You knew people felt threatened that they will lose their money if it was kept up. The threat they felt is now more real then ever but you continue to proudly keep it high in the sky. You want to save the world whilst knowing that keeping it is killing people. There is a family who could not buy clothing for their children in school because the money is tied up still. MosheP, we may be wrong, but we feel the your posting caused us to still be in it. We follow the story every minute of the day and know exactly where he is and what he (the CEO) is doing. We know there is a good opportunity and we know that you dont care about us.

You care to WIN the "fight", you dont care about your brothers, you care about yourself, your pride. You know it hurts people thats its up there what is your REAL reason?

Hey, dont forget about this reciept that was posted. I think chickies is still in business..... :P :P :P

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10245435_4022356774681_7916902591844989079_n.jpg?oh=46b5406ca96bc2d66c0fff8efb2bd382&oe=547DD878
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 27, 2014, 01:22:25 PM

Wait, are you acknowledging that it may all fall apart and everyone will lose their money? So should I not invest now?

No. Now it's even a better opportunity. Lol.
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 27, 2014, 01:23:33 PM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on August 27, 2014, 01:23:48 PM
Troll. Go back into your dark, foul-smelling hole in the ground
+1000

Thieves like you should rot.

You started your public  Geneiva with My Harvest America and when it went bust you proudly said you will steal again . You did, and now can't take the blame.

Your an embarrassment to Klal Yisroel. Drop your day job. We don 't need such Rabbeim
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Red on August 27, 2014, 01:30:49 PM
Now they have someone to blame when it collapses, that's right MosheP brought the whole thing to it's knees with his post otherwise they could have still made millions.  ::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 27, 2014, 01:32:39 PM

Now they have someone to blame when it collapses, that's right MosheP brought the whole thing to it's knees with his post otherwise they could have still made millions.  ::)

Wow. The power of DDF.  DDF brings multi-billion dollar companies to its knees. Apple and Microsoft better watch out. I'm looking for receipts to post.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 27, 2014, 01:33:11 PM
Now they have someone to blame when it collapses, that's right MosheP brought the whole thing to it's knees with his post otherwise they could have still made millions.  ::)
The devil's in the details. Next time you start a multi-trillion dollar company make sure you hire someone to do professional receipts...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sungameleaks on August 27, 2014, 01:33:41 PM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sungameleaks on August 27, 2014, 01:34:51 PM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 27, 2014, 01:43:08 PM
good stuff sungameleaks!

considering how thinly a stock like this trades, one can assume that perhaps the dramatic price is on account of the one or two large shareholders liquidating their positions. as they say in boiler-room parlance, DUMP! (as in pump and dump). so who's the lucky camper(s) who gets to bag the big bucks while everyone else on the merry-go-round is left holding the crap? perhaps we will find out one day.

line of the week: we are nearly at the end!!! pure comedy-gold.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 27, 2014, 02:01:24 PM

Here's another thread mentioning SunGames.
http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=138532

And it mentions a guy named Neil Chandran as being part of it. Anyone know who he is?
Some more links discussing his 'work'.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/neil-chandran
http://scamvent.com/forums/topic/chandran-neil/
http://www.scamexposure.com/scam-report/neil-chandran-neil-chandran-freevi-corporation-this-goof-is-laughing-at-c85646.html
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 27, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
Here's another thread mentioning SunGames.
http://scam.com/showthread.php?t=138532

And it mentions a guy named Neil Chandran as being part of it. Anyone know who he is?
Some more links discussing his 'work'.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/directory/neil-chandran
http://scamvent.com/forums/topic/chandran-neil/
http://www.scamexposure.com/scam-report/neil-chandran-neil-chandran-freevi-corporation-this-goof-is-laughing-at-c85646.html
Anyone know about how to get this thread to show higher on Google searches? He's done a good job of creating websites in his name and having them show up in the Google search, rather than all of the scam accusations being made.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 27, 2014, 02:09:19 PM
Dear “knowitall102”:

Your total brainless ignorance and moronic sense of righteousness showcases exactly why MosheP is a massive hero!!

You and your cronies scammed $5 million from”yiddishe” homes?!?!?!? Shame on all of you!!!!! YOU need to make a din v’cheshbon for all those naïve families that you conned!

Let me ask you something! Do you or any of the leaders involved know the 1st thing about basic finance and economics? Do they even know how to balance their own personal checkbooks? They know nothing about business, nothing at all!!!

Yet, in all their correspondence they quote ad nauseam this nonsensical excuses for the delays because of the “Q filing”, “E-filing”,  “Asian Syndicate”, ”Volks Bank”,  “Panama Europay”, “E rating”, “Nevada registry items”,  “Schneider Brothers”, “TG transfers”, “3D tablets rebates”,  “FOSIC wires”, “chargebacks”, “CHMI cap structure”, “Mekubalim”, "public-market participants", etc…

It’s ALL made up terms and acronyms, its make-believe arts and crafts with words! None of you even understand what all this means! None of you! Yet you talk as if it means something. These are all terms that an accountant working for a real public company would never ever come across in their entire 50-year working career!

But now that your journey is coming to a end, you will never admit that you are all the most brainless “investors” ever, rather your pride requires you to blame it on others!  How convenient!

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on August 27, 2014, 02:12:24 PM
Wow. This thread is sad but hilarious.

The company is (finally) falling apart, and you're blaming MosheP ?!

What a joke.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 27, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
not sure if anyone posted this earlier. it was filed with the SEC on the 15th of this month.

http://edgar.secdatabase.com/1459/111776814000672/filing-main.htm

the juicy parts:

"Specifically related to the identified errors, the internal investigation concluded that due to lack of communication between departments, the accounting department had not been made aware of all the terms and conditions included in the purported sales to customers including certain right of return stipulations, full rebate guarantees and educational grant incentives associated with these arrangements. Accordingly, such transactions were not accounted for correctly and in accordance with US GAAP."
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Something Fishy on August 27, 2014, 02:16:23 PM
I'm on Tapatalk so can't search properly - could someone post a link to MosheP's post?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 27, 2014, 02:20:02 PM
Do you or any of the leaders involved know the 1st thing about basic finance and economics? Do they even know how to balance their own personal checkbooks? They know nothing about business, nothing at all!!!
Unfortunately, based on how much money they've 'earned' over the years, they apparently do know a lot about biz.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bermo on August 27, 2014, 02:20:28 PM
It's the first post of this thread
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 27, 2014, 02:20:55 PM
I'm on Tapatalk so can't search properly - could someone post a link to MosheP's post?
It's the first post in the thread.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 27, 2014, 02:22:56 PM
I'm on Tapatalk so can't search properly - could someone post a link to MosheP's post?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=40343.msg786521#msg786521
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Something Fishy on August 27, 2014, 02:40:55 PM
Thanks.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 27, 2014, 04:24:00 PM
 wait ..so my 1,000 investment is not turning into 250,000?!?! .... how can this be!!  .... The Mekubalim all promised!!!
     How am i going to break this news to my wife that she is not getting the diamond ring she always dreamed of!!
This is horrible and it is all MosheP fault ! How dare you ruin my "guaranteed" 150% return!! They told me that we are "so close" !! and "the end is near!" .  I promised my Rebbe that i was going to build him a shul with fancy bricks and marble!!- how is he going to handle this. MosheP, you are in big trouble with my wife and rebbe!
     I just got a call about some credit card offering 10,000 to sign up and every time i use it , they pay me money!! ...who is in?
 MosheP , stay away from this offer!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: menachem_m on August 27, 2014, 04:47:01 PM
So to sum it up,
Quote
Don’t underestimate a fool’s willingness to protect his ego by willingly continuing to be fooled.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moishebatchy on August 27, 2014, 05:52:59 PM
"When the game is over" and people lost their money, MosheP, YOU will be the cause of it. Not every failure is a scam. It is possible that the offer was too good for you to believe it, but if it goes down because the people who waited so long charged back their card causing bankruptcy, its YOU MosheP who caused it. The delay we are in now is YOUR doing. If it fails because the stock goes down to zero - causing and end to the company - it YOU MosheP who are responsible. When you put up the receipt, the company was at a much healthier state. MosheP, you were called by numerous people to take it down. You refused. You knew people felt threatened that they will lose their money if it was kept up. The threat they felt is now more real then ever but you continue to proudly keep it high in the sky. You want to save the world whilst knowing that keeping it is killing people. There is a family who could not buy clothing for their children in school because the money is tied up still. MosheP, we may be wrong, but we feel the your posting caused us to still be in it. We follow the story every minute of the day and know exactly where he is and what he (the CEO) is doing. We know there is a good opportunity and we know that you dont care about us.

You care to WIN the "fight", you dont care about your brothers, you care about yourself, your pride. You know it hurts people thats its up there what is your REAL reason?

And I repeat...

Troll. Go back into your dark, foul-smelling hole in the ground.

Nobody wants to hear from you. You're a miserable, pathetic, life-sucking piece of sh*t who makes money by ripping off the poor and the naive. The fact that you have the balls to try and blame someone ELSE for YOUR actions shows what a miserable excuse for a human being you are. You're like an abusive husband who beats the crap out of his wife but then says "it's her fault, not mine. If she would treat me with respect, I wouldn't have to do this. It's not my fault, I'm not doing anything wrong".

Blaming MosheP?! Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?!?! Here's an idea for you, you sorry sack of horse manure: if you don't want your "6.1 billion dollar company" brought down by a single receipt, you can start by not scamming innocent people in the first place, you disgusting son of a b*tch. Shame on you, I don't know how you can walk into a shul and actually expect to be "kosher" as part of a minyan. (Unless you're a woman, I suppose.)

/rant
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 27, 2014, 06:11:25 PM
And I repeat...

Nobody wants to hear from you. You're a miserable, pathetic, life-sucking piece of sh*t who makes money by ripping off the poor and the naive. The fact that you have the balls to try and blame someone ELSE for YOUR actions shows what a miserable excuse for a human being you are. You're like an abusive husband who beats the crap out of his wife but then says "it's her fault, not mine. If she would treat me with respect, I wouldn't have to do this. It's not my fault, I'm not doing anything wrong".

Blaming MosheP?! Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?!?! Here's an idea for you, you sorry sack of horse manure: if you don't want your "6.1 billion dollar company" brought down by a single receipt, you can start by not scamming innocent people in the first place, you disgusting son of a b*tch. Shame on you, I don't know how you can walk into a shul and actually expect to be "kosher" as part of a minyan. (Unless you're a woman, I suppose.)

/rant

Words from the heart...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moishebatchy on August 27, 2014, 06:18:05 PM
Hey, dont forget about this reciept that was posted. I think chickies is still in business..... :P :P :P

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10245435_4022356774681_7916902591844989079_n.jpg?oh=46b5406ca96bc2d66c0fff8efb2bd382&oe=547DD878

LOL, where did you get that? ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: jaywhy on August 27, 2014, 06:20:37 PM
And I repeat...

Nobody wants to hear from you. You're a miserable, pathetic, life-sucking piece of sh*t who makes money by ripping off the poor and the naive. The fact that you have the balls to try and blame someone ELSE for YOUR actions shows what a miserable excuse for a human being you are. You're like an abusive husband who beats the crap out of his wife but then says "it's her fault, not mine. If she would treat me with respect, I wouldn't have to do this. It's not my fault, I'm not doing anything wrong".

Blaming MosheP?! Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot?!?! Here's an idea for you, you sorry sack of horse manure: if you don't want your "6.1 billion dollar company" brought down by a single receipt, you can start by not scamming innocent people in the first place, you disgusting son of a b*tch. Shame on you, I don't know how you can walk into a shul and actually expect to be "kosher" as part of a minyan. (Unless you're a woman, I suppose.)

/rant
Lol.
Just caught upon this thread. Good stuff ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Chaikel on August 27, 2014, 06:39:58 PM
Oh the power of a DDF post. Do you think if we threatened Amex they'd revert the churning and name matching rules? Are they willing to risk their whole company when we can just post a statement and poof, they're gone and all the executives are in jail?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on August 27, 2014, 06:45:44 PM
"When the game is over" and people lost their money, MosheP, YOU will be the cause of it. Not every failure is a scam. It is possible that the offer was too good for you to believe it, but if it goes down because the people who waited so long charged back their card causing bankruptcy, its YOU MosheP who caused it. The delay we are in now is YOUR doing. If it fails because the stock goes down to zero - causing and end to the company - it YOU MosheP who are responsible. When you put up the receipt, the company was at a much healthier state. MosheP, you were called by numerous people to take it down. You refused. You knew people felt threatened that they will lose their money if it was kept up. The threat they felt is now more real then ever but you continue to proudly keep it high in the sky. You want to save the world whilst knowing that keeping it is killing people. There is a family who could not buy clothing for their children in school because the money is tied up still. MosheP, we may be wrong, but we feel the your posting caused us to still be in it. We follow the story every minute of the day and know exactly where he is and what he (the CEO) is doing. We know there is a good opportunity and we know that you dont care about us.

You care to WIN the "fight", you dont care about your brothers, you care about yourself, your pride. You know it hurts people thats its up there what is your REAL reason?
Just curious why by My Harvest America you used your real name ?? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3910.msg42409#msg42409 and not here ?

Why not use it here ? Be a thief and be proud!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 27, 2014, 06:47:32 PM
Just remember folks, it's almost at the end.

Dan, you'll have to close your whole column over there  ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 27, 2014, 06:56:07 PM
..

Also note that the date of the Alberta hearing was the same time as NC claimed to be in New York, then Panama. Maybe he's skipped North America for good?

(7/17)
"Dear Insider,
We are on the East coast, and will be entering the regulatory review/submission session shortly. "
(7/18)
"Dear Insider,
It is 930am in Panama and we are attending to the secure-server requirements for registration as dictated by the regulators. During this initialization process, in order to calibrate the Europay controls which are run by the Panamanian system, we will be present at the secure-server facility (nicknamed the "bunker") which has limited communication facilities externally, other than a secure email capability."
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 27, 2014, 07:02:31 PM
Also note that the date of the Alberta hearing was the same time as NC claimed to be in New York, then Panama. Maybe he's skipped North America for good?

(7/17)
"Dear Insider,
We are on the East coast, and will be entering the regulatory review/submission session shortly. "
(7/18)
"Dear Insider,
It is 930am in Panama and we are attending to the secure-server requirements for registration as dictated by the regulators. During this initialization process, in order to calibrate the Europay controls which are run by the Panamanian system, we will be present at the secure-server facility (nicknamed the "bunker") which has limited communication facilities externally, other than a secure email capability."
Truth is better than fiction! You just can't make this stuff up.. lol
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 27, 2014, 07:04:27 PM
Truth is better than fiction! You just can't make this stuff up.. lol

It's called "double talk." The old time "carny folk" (traveling carnival people) are masters at it. It's the art of saying lots of words without any discernable meaning. It's fun for a game, not to use to destroy people's finances.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 27, 2014, 07:45:47 PM
May I be zoche to merit a fraction if the olam habah of MosheP who saved hundred of yidishe families from financial ruin.
יהא חלקי מיושבי דנס דילז
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on August 27, 2014, 07:47:59 PM
I'm enjoying this thread. Please go on.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: moshepcousin on August 27, 2014, 09:56:50 PM
Anyone know a family that was saved because of cousin moish?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: moshepcousin on August 27, 2014, 09:58:10 PM
Who said SG was a multi B company. They are a small nothing!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: lubaby on August 27, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
Who said SG was a multi B company. They are a small nothing!
Cousin MosheP mentioned it at the end of the first post.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 27, 2014, 10:19:11 PM
Who said SG was a multi B company. They are a small nothing!

The purported market cap of SGMZ is 2.67B, but my understanding is that that's pretty much a made up number as they are not traded on a real exchange nor do they have to account for that in any meaningful way. http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SGMZ I'm sure the finance guys on here can explain it better.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on August 27, 2014, 10:25:45 PM
Something tells me that knowitall and moshepcousin is the same person. My initial reaction was to say that if that's true he should b blocked but it actually added a lot of adjustment to my day so i would hate to see him go
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 27, 2014, 10:47:52 PM
Anyone know a family that was saved because of cousin moish?
Yes I do.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on August 27, 2014, 11:54:39 PM
Just curious why by My Harvest America you used your real name ?? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3910.msg42409#msg42409 and not here ?

Why not use it here ? Be a thief and be proud!!
The gloves have come off!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: moshepcousin on August 28, 2014, 12:02:09 AM
where is the money
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 28, 2014, 12:56:20 AM
There's a suspicious multiple personality disorder going on here.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 28, 2014, 01:06:27 AM
What I have a (perhaps morbid) curiosity to know is who are the people who swiped tens of thousands of dollars and are now out of luck? What are the horror stories? Are people too ashamed to speak up and say they were fooled? Obviously, tons of money was made here which means an equal amount of money was also lost. Who/where are these people?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 28, 2014, 01:39:32 AM
What I have a (perhaps morbid) curiosity to know is who are the people who swiped tens of thousands of dollars and are now out of luck? What are the horror stories? Are people too ashamed to speak up and say they were fooled? Obviously, tons of money was made here which means an equal amount of money was also lost. Who/where are these people?
The money being made is by the people all the way on top not necessarily did the ones recruiting yidden make the big bucks, like the woman who left the message she probably just wanted her investment back.
If I lost 50k that I didn't have I would be very embarrassed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 28, 2014, 01:44:23 AM
A few Months ago someone asked me to get involved in a MLM that had to do with vitamins, I told them i don't do vitamins so I can't help. It's only here and subsequent research that I realize what could of happened.
(I don't recall the whole story accurately but I remember the words MLM)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 28, 2014, 02:33:02 AM
The money being made is by the people all the way on top not necessarily did the ones recruiting yidden make the big bucks, like the woman who left the message she probably just wanted her investment back.
If I lost 50k that I didn't have I would be very embarrassed.

I thought this was yidden all the way to the top, no?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Chaikel on August 28, 2014, 03:15:49 AM
In case anyone had any doubt, moshepcousin=knowitall

Mr Wachsler, if this is a legit enterprise, why the need for such dishonesty and sneakyness?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 03:21:02 AM
In case anyone had any doubt, moshepcousin=knowitall

Mr Wachsler, if this is a legit enterprise, why the need for such dishonesty and sneakyness?
Is this Wachsler the same as this one?
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/avi-wachsler/1a/836/a70
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 04:25:16 AM

I thought this was yidden all the way to the top, no?
nope
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 04:28:58 AM

What I have a (perhaps morbid) curiosity to know is who are the people who swiped tens of thousands of dollars and are now out of luck? What are the horror stories? Are people too ashamed to speak up and say they were fooled? Obviously, tons of money was made here which means an equal amount of money was also lost. Who/where are these people?
i actually have a list of them
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 28, 2014, 04:43:26 AM
I can’t believe all the hatred in this thread. We all know the DDF effect. I am surprised that many of you don’t understand that only one DDF member is needed to have the same effect. We should think twice next time we post something. Also please give me a heads up next time so I can short the stock.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 05:27:08 AM
i actually have a list of them
How'd you get it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 07:00:39 AM

How'd you get it?
insider friends
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 07:15:49 AM
insider friends
Insiders as in victims or perpetrators?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 28, 2014, 07:19:49 AM
Insiders as in victims or perpetrators?
The sad thing about this, is that most victims also perpetrated more victims....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 28, 2014, 07:35:13 AM
The sad thing about this, is that most victims also perpetrated more victims....

Hurt people hurt people. The cycle of abuse.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 07:58:48 AM
Hurt people hurt people. The cycle of abuse.
Yup, this is off topic but my understanding is that victims of abuse are more likely to abuse.
Probably s/t similar going on here.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 28, 2014, 08:00:11 AM
I can’t believe all the hatred in this thread. We all know the DDF effect. I am surprised that many of you don’t understand that only one DDF member is needed to have the same effect. We should think twice next time we post something. Also please give me a heads up next time so I can short the stock.

It's low volume--not necessarily easy to cover your short when you need to.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: buyitnow on August 28, 2014, 08:09:46 AM
It's low volume--not necessarily easy to cover your short when you need to.

exactly. plus, the shorts themselves could be part of the scam. that was the theory with a similar stock scam that exploded a few months ago. company was called CYNK.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on August 28, 2014, 08:15:14 AM
I can’t believe all the hatred in this thread. We all know the DDF effect. I am surprised that many of you don’t understand that only one DDF member is needed to have the same effect. We should think twice next time we post something. Also please give me a heads up next time so I can short the stock.
You can sort a stock that trades OTC. Plus you'd have had trouble covering your short as a few people own all the stock
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: moko on August 28, 2014, 08:32:17 AM
exactly. plus, the shorts themselves could be part of the scam. that was the theory with a similar stock scam that exploded a few months ago. company was called CYNK
now that's an ironic name for a scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 28, 2014, 08:32:52 AM
I was unable to short it. Tried when was trading at 30.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 28, 2014, 08:44:09 AM
A few Months ago someone asked me to get involved in a MLM that had to do with vitamins, I told them i don't do vitamins so I can't help. It's only here and subsequent research that I realize what could of happened.
(I don't recall the whole story accurately but I remember the words MLM)

Probably Amway Nutrilite, no?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 28, 2014, 09:52:45 AM
 I saw the list of people involved - there are a bunch of monsey yeshivas that have put money into this. I guess this was a Monsey targeted scam. I was shocked to see some other tzedaka organizations in Monsey and names involved. It is amazing how stupid and i guess desperate people get when it comes to money. I just hope they were playing with Tzedakas money!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 09:54:38 AM
I just hope they were playing with Tzedakas money!
Why?? I'd rather ppl were stupid with their own money that with money that ppl donated to a tzedaka. Those in charge don't have the right to risk 'holy' money.

What were the types of sums you saw?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 28, 2014, 10:00:00 AM

Why?? I'd rather ppl were stupid with their own money that with money that ppl donated to a tzedaka. Those in charge don't have the right to risk 'holy' money.

What were the types of sums you saw?

+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 28, 2014, 10:05:13 AM
 I agree with you. I hope they did not play with Tzedakas money.  You can play lots of games with Tzedaka money if the wrong people are running it- there can be lots of shtick. The Organization in Monsey that i saw involved is run by someone who owes lots of money out there. I can imagine where he got his money to invest in this one.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 10:12:01 AM
Insiders as in victims or perpetrators?
The perpetrators would not be my friends
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on August 28, 2014, 10:26:28 AM
I saw the list of people involved - there are a bunch of monsey yeshivas that have put money into this. I guess this was a Monsey targeted scam. I was shocked to see some other tzedaka organizations in Monsey and names involved. It is amazing how stupid and i guess desperate people get when it comes to money. I just hope they were playing with Tzedakas money!
Abe meant to say "I just hope they were not  playing with Tzedakas money". Stop arguing with him.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 28, 2014, 10:34:19 AM
I was unable to short it. Tried when was trading at 30.

You were very lucky to not be able to short it. The biggest part of the scam was the the borrowing costs were about 144% per annum. If you had shorted before it was frozen by the SEC you would probably have been out the borrowing costs at the very least.
See http://seekingalpha.com/article/2310595-update-cynk-technology-sensing-trouble-the-authorities-act-sort-of
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on August 28, 2014, 10:35:07 AM
What I have a (perhaps morbid) curiosity to know is who are the people who swiped tens of thousands of dollars and are now out of luck? What are the horror stories? Are people too ashamed to speak up and say they were fooled? Obviously, tons of money was made here which means an equal amount of money was also lost. Who/where are these people?
People (at least the one I know) still believe they are going to get their money back (!!!)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2014, 10:47:54 AM
The perpetrators would not be my friends
Neither side would be friends of mine.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on August 28, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
Neither side would be friends of mine.
At least not anymore :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 28, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
Neither side would be friends of mine.

Maybe it's time for another MLM posting on the main site. People just aren't getting it. My wife just heard from a former teacher that her husband lost nearly 20k on another Lakewood scheme. She qualified it as "you live and learn". I don't understand how people don't get this. I think part of the underlying problem is that many people are supported and haven't worked for the bulk of their money. They don't understand the most basic tenant of wealth that quick wealth rarely comes and if it does it rarely lasts. Save the money put some effort into it and get some fundamental business education before signing away all your savings.   

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 28, 2014, 11:10:45 AM
Neither side would be friends of mine.

Google is my only friend.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 28, 2014, 11:11:58 AM
Google is my only friend.
Your sig line says otherwise.  :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 28, 2014, 01:10:47 PM
According to LinkedIn profile of Avi wachsler he runs a camp in monsey that's probably why all his victims are from there.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 01:27:02 PM
According to LinkedIn profile of Avi wachsler he runs a camp in monsey that's probably why all his victims are from there.
What is YNJ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on August 28, 2014, 01:27:32 PM
Yeshiva North Jersey. Rightish MO elementary school
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 28, 2014, 02:45:37 PM
 Its amazing to see and hear the name of the yeshivas that have invested. They all dont have money. Why did they just not invest in a real legit investments that brings real returns.
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 03:33:22 PM

Its amazing to see and hear the name of the yeshivas that have invested. They all dont have money.
incorrect
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on August 28, 2014, 03:44:59 PM
 The yeshivas i know that are involved dont have money. One of them is practically banktupt.
  There is a known tzedaka that is involved-  and i heard they put in big money- how are they allowed ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2014, 04:29:01 PM
Where are these lists?
Anyone want to anonymously post it here?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 04:45:58 PM

Where are these lists?
Anyone want to anonymously post it here?
what good can come of it
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 28, 2014, 04:47:06 PM
what good can come of it
Shame and name institutions frittering away money that was entrusted to them.
Best way to prevent it from happening in the future since many of these places have minimal financial oversight.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on August 28, 2014, 04:53:30 PM
Maybe someone can get a 'victim' to share their story on the site?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 04:55:41 PM

Maybe someone can get a 'victim' to share their story on the site?
theres no damn story! They were convinced of get rich quick and they lost money quick
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 28, 2014, 04:55:42 PM

what good can come of it

Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 04:58:13 PM

Shame and name institutions frittering away money that was entrusted to them.
Best way to prevent it from happening in the future since many of these places have minimal financial oversight.
shame them for what?? For being financially unintelligent? They honestly thought they were doing what was in the best interests of their institution. Most of them are probably were probably not aware of any sinister doings on anyones part
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on August 28, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
shame them for what?? For being financially unintelligent? They honestly thought they were doing what was in the best interests of their institution. Most of them are probably were probably not aware of any sinister doings on anyones part
If true...

Then they shouldn't be allowed control over money
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on August 28, 2014, 05:01:38 PM
shame them for what?? For being financially unintelligent? They honestly thought they were doing what was in the best interests of their institution. Most of them are probably were probably not aware of any sinister doings on anyones part
+1
I'm not a rav but this feels like L"H to me... even if some of them knew this was a bad idea, doesn't mean they all knew...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 28, 2014, 05:09:25 PM
Ya I agree I would be carful about LH
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on August 28, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
theres no damn story! They were convinced of get rich quick and they lost money quick

That's a story. Hearing an actual victims case may help others to open their eyes.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on August 28, 2014, 05:17:40 PM
That's a story. Hearing an actual victims case may help others to open their eyes.
And may cause the actual victims embarrassment. What if it was you C"V who made this kind of mistake. Would you want your name posted online as the one who fell for it and was taken advantage of?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 28, 2014, 05:18:39 PM
And may cause the actual victims embarrassment. What if it was you C"V who made this kind of mistake. Would you want your name posted online as the one who fell for it and was taken advantage of?
Doesn't have to be with name...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on August 28, 2014, 05:21:26 PM
shame them for what?? For being financially unintelligent? They honestly thought they were doing what was in the best interests of their institution. Most of them are probably were probably not aware of any sinister doings on anyones part
Huh? Since when is a rosh yeshiva qualified to make financial decisions? 
(some are,  but obviously some aren't)

I know of a rosh yeshiva that was approached with a similar "money making opportunity".

The proposed plan was to have a mailing sent out to all the parents of the student body,  and have them sign up as well,  and the yeshiva would get a referral/commission for each one.

Although it sounded very enticing (since,  ultimately, the financial obligations of the yeshiva fall on to the rosh yeshiva),  he told them that he needs to speak to the board of the yeshiva.

Bh the board members consist of "experienced" businessmen (As opposed to some shnuk who thinks he knows everything). They heard out the "opportunity" and advised the rosh yeshiva to keep himself and his parent body out of it. 
Long story short : a few months later it went bust.

My point isn't that it went bust.  My point is that any institution with a board -  had they consulted with thier  board,  they would he tol to stay away.
If they don't have a board -  that's a different major issue.

Just Bec ssomeone can be a rosh yeshiva or open an organization -  doesn't mean he has any experience in the business world.

/rant
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 28, 2014, 05:29:01 PM

shame them for what?? For being financially unintelligent? They honestly thought they were doing what was in the best interests of their institution. Most of them are probably were probably not aware of any sinister doings on anyones part

There really is no need to shame them. They will probably out themselves and ask the public for money to recoup their unforeseen loses.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on August 28, 2014, 05:29:14 PM
And may cause the actual victims embarrassment. What if it was you C"V who made this kind of mistake. Would you want your name posted online as the one who fell for it and was taken advantage of?
How can you make financial decisions on behalf of an organization if you're "financially unintelligent" ??
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 05:49:59 PM
Huh? Since when is a rosh yeshiva qualified to make financial decisions? 
(some are,  but obviously some aren't)

I know of a rosh yeshiva that was approached with a similar "money making opportunity".

The proposed plan was to have a mailing sent out to all the parents of the student body,  and have them sign up as well,  and the yeshiva would get a referral/commission for each one.

Although it sounded very enticing (since,  ultimately, the financial obligations of the yeshiva fall on to the rosh yeshiva),  he told them that he needs to speak to the board of the yeshiva.

Bh the board members consist of "experienced" businessmen (As opposed to some shnuk who thinks he knows everything). They heard out the "opportunity" and advised the rosh yeshiva to keep himself and his parent body out of it. 
Long story short : a few months later it went bust.

My point isn't that it went bust.  My point is that any institution with a board -  had they consulted with thier  board,  they would he tol to stay away.
If they don't have a board -  that's a different major issue.

Just Bec ssomeone can be a rosh yeshiva or open an organization -  doesn't mean he has any experience in the business world.

/rant
There are large yeshivas involved that consulted with their board and still proceeded. Money is blinding and especially when presented by an experienced thief
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 28, 2014, 05:50:21 PM
Ya I agree I would be carful about LH
You again? Go away
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on August 28, 2014, 05:53:55 PM
There are large yeshivas involved that consulted with their board and still proceeded. Money is blinding and especially when presented by an experienced thief

Some board. They should cough up the losses if they really gave the go ahead.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 28, 2014, 05:58:44 PM
Relax calm down



You again? Go away
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 28, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
Watch the 1st min & 20 sec . Even Michael Scott realizes in the end that it’s a scam!
3xJOw
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yakov116 on August 28, 2014, 06:23:11 PM
Some board. They should cough up the losses if they really gave the go ahead.
People make mistakes are you saying that if they would have had a gain they also get a percent?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on August 28, 2014, 06:30:17 PM
People make mistakes are you saying that if they would have had a gain they also get a percent?
That would depend on what their job description is/how their paycheck is set up.

If they're a fundraiser for an organization, and get commission on all the funds they bring in, I'd assume this is no different.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on August 28, 2014, 06:38:01 PM
People make mistakes are you saying that if they would have had a gain they also get a percent?

There is no way anyone with half a brain can do due diligence on this "deal" and vote to allow a Yeshiva to go ahead with it. If they listened to some guy wax poetic about how its so safe because "you can always dispute the charge" and caused a loss to mamon hekdesh, yes they should cover the losses.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on August 28, 2014, 06:50:00 PM
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.

Yes!

On that note, if anyone needs to reference that short lived blog with names and emails of the scam principals, be in touch. I managed to download the webpage before it went to sleep with the fishes. Don't see a need to recreate it, but feel free to reach out via PM if you could make some use of it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: etech0 on August 28, 2014, 08:15:35 PM
How can you make financial decisions on behalf of an organization if you're "financially unintelligent" ??
In which case you are accusing them of something even worse. All the more reason not to publicize the names!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 28, 2014, 09:21:11 PM
Watch the 1st min & 20 sec . Even Michael Scott realizes in the end that it’s a scam!
3xJOw

+1. This really has been the most interesting thread I've read in a long time.

I'd like to sound off and say that in my opinion it is absolutely incorrect for any "Kli Kodesh" to go ahead and make investment decisions like this. Most institutions are suffering these days. My wife was just told she can expect her paycheck to be held until after the yomim neoraim. I feel for these institutions. But that is no excuse for having mud for brains (trying to keep it clean).

Getting a real financial education does not come over night. It takes years and years of work. I have a bachelors, masters, cpa, many years of successful investing experience and work within a very large mutual fund company and I still have trouble analyzing risk/reward on investments. What I do know is that decisions to invest donated money should never be taken lightly. I believe there is consensus to that point on this forum.

I don't think these institutions should be outed point blank but on the other hand this needs to end because I don't know how this isn't outright theft of donated money. There seems to be a very clear problem in our community of sheer stupidity which is evidenced by "knowitall102" and that phone message. Again, I believe there is consensus to this on the forum. 

The obvious question is how do you explain to someone who has minimal experience with earning a living or dealing with the outside world that there are certain "rules" like looking both ways before walking into traffic?

Ultimately I believe it is up to the Gedolim to start talking about this but they aren't and because they aren't these issues keep persisting. It really is so disappointing to hear these sad stories of bnei torah falling into these financial traps. It's disappointing because I like to see myself blissfully naive and whenever I hear these kind of stories I have to think twice the next time I write a check.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2014, 09:23:34 PM
Not just frum jews, amish too, http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-26/rich-amish-lured-into-florida-land-investment-scheme (Repost, I know)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2014, 09:25:22 PM
Watch the 1st min & 20 sec . Even Michael Scott realizes in the end that it’s a scam!

ftfy
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yakov116 on August 28, 2014, 09:26:10 PM
+1. This really has been the most interesting thread I've read in a long time.

I'd like to sound off and say that in my opinion it is absolutely incorrect for any "Kli Kodesh" to go ahead and make investment decisions like this. Most institutions are suffering these days. My wife was just told she can expect her paycheck to be held until after the yomim neoraim. I feel for these institutions. But that is no excuse for having mud for brains (trying to keep it clean).

Getting a real financial education does not come over night. It takes years and years of work. I have a bachelors, masters, cpa, many years of successful investing experience and work within a very large mutual fund company and I still have trouble analyzing risk/reward on investments. What I do know is that decisions to invest donated money should never be taken lightly. I believe there is consensus to that point on this forum.

I don't think these institutions should be outed point blank but on the other hand this needs to end because I don't know how this isn't outright theft of donated money. There seems to be a very clear problem in our community of sheer stupidity which is evidenced by "knowitall102" and that phone message. Again, I believe there is consensus to this on the forum. 

The obvious question is how do you explain to someone who has minimal experience with earning a living or dealing with the outside world that there are certain "rules" like looking both ways before walking into traffic?

Ultimately I believe it is up to the Gedolim to start talking about this but they aren't and because they aren't these issues keep persisting. It really is so disappointing to hear these sad stories of bnei torah falling into these financial traps. It's disappointing because I like to see myself blissfully naive and whenever I hear these kind of stories I have to think twice the next time I write a check.
Beautifully written Thank you
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 28, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
Not just frum jews, amish too, http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-26/rich-amish-lured-into-florida-land-investment-scheme (Repost, I know)

This happens pervasively within all "ultra religious groups" usually because of trust or naivety. Ponzi was catering almost exclusively to Catholics.

I remember in December of 2008 when I was taking a Fraud elective in college that my teacher exclaimed there must be a god because the Madoff scandal busted a week before the class. I remember at one point going to her after class saying I was ashamed at how so many Jewish people were duped like this. She went on to say that fraud isn't specific to any ethnicity. She was right. If you look at fraud through the ages it is perpetrated because of opportunity and greed. Religious communities avail themselves to fraud because they are overly trusting and lacking financial education.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 28, 2014, 09:37:22 PM
Not just frum jews, amish too, http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-26/rich-amish-lured-into-florida-land-investment-scheme (Repost, I know)

One more point. The Florida land scheme is older than "Ponzi". Since the 19th century people have been buying "resort" land in Florida only to find malaria infested swamp which is kind of ironic considering they're living in the 19th century  ;D.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on August 28, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
The obvious question is how do you explain to someone who has minimal experience with earning a living or dealing with the outside world that there are certain "rules" like looking both ways before walking into traffic?

Ultimately I believe it is up to the Gedolim to start talking about this but they aren't and because they aren't these issues keep persisting. It really is so disappointing to hear these sad stories of bnei torah falling into these financial traps. It's disappointing because I like to see myself blissfully naive and whenever I hear these kind of stories I have to think twice the next time I write a check.
Well written. I was going to answer your question, but you yourself answered it.

Gedolim speaking about isn't happening right now. The alternative is rectifying this:

Religious communities avail themselves to fraud because they are overly trusting and lacking financial education.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on August 28, 2014, 11:23:30 PM
ftfy
Thanks Dan for the FTFY! Attached is a screenshot of Michael Scott’s plan…$3,700 investment will become $1,250,000! It’s supposed to be outrageous comedy, but the sad fact is that with Sungame, people were promised returns of 25 times value of investment, which translates to a whopping 2,500% return ! How anyone would fall for this is beyond belief.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sillypainter on August 28, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
I'm reading all of your comments and some took the liberty of calling Avi
Wachsler a thief, stupid, not worthy of being a rebbe etc.... but perhaps
 you should know that my brother Avi, is anything BUT those things. He is one of the best
 Rabbiem nationwide, and is a straight, super honest person. I don't know
 details enough to say whether it's a scam, a real business or quick
 "money maker" but I do know one fact, yes an absolute fact, Avi did not make
 a single penny from all of this and on the contrary, it's causing him
 unbearable pain that people are hurting.  I am hoping this thing comes
 together and everyone gets their money back and more, but if  indeed it goes
 south, I will know that Avi Wachsler will be able to hold his head up high
 knowing that he was ehrlich and never said anything to fool or mislead
 anyone.

I'm getting ready my popcorn.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 28, 2014, 11:53:09 PM
Not just frum jews, amish too, http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-06-26/rich-amish-lured-into-florida-land-investment-scheme (Repost, I know)
Isn't there a special crime for cheating members of a closed community?
If I recall correctly there was s guy recently who was supposed to build a yishuv in Israel and he robbed all the money from yidden.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: joeb1 on August 28, 2014, 11:55:25 PM
I'm getting ready my popcorn.

me too.... you think I should skip the butter? kinda fattening......
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on August 28, 2014, 11:59:13 PM

And thats the sad part of Klal Yisroel . Most Thieves families and friends circle the wagon ,and they all walk holding their head high. If only there would be some shame , it might prevent others .

Avi lead the geneiva of My Harvest America . On the day that scam went bust he said that he will be back better then ever and is actually working on other "deals"

So go sell your story to the marines .

I rest my case .
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: oneofsix on August 29, 2014, 12:02:54 AM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 12:03:35 AM
If true...

Then they shouldn't be allowed control over money
+100
Have the Rabannim collect and professionals manage it w/ full oversight to a board.

There really is no need to shame them. They will probably out themselves and ask the public for money to recoup their unforeseen loses.
As if they'd admit why they lost the money?

Yes!

On that note, if anyone needs to reference that short lived blog with names and emails of the scam principals, be in touch. I managed to download the webpage before it went to sleep with the fishes. Don't see a need to recreate it, but feel free to reach out via PM if you could make some use of it.
Speak to a Moderator about having it posted up in a Wiki in this thread under an annonymous name.


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I'm assuming your his sister and blinded by your admiration for him, but can you tell us whether he was involved in the My Harvest scam?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yaakov s on August 29, 2014, 12:04:26 AM
And thats the sad part of Klal Yisroel . Most Thieves families and friends circle the wagon ,and they all walk holding their head high. If only there would be some shame , it might prevent others .

Avi lead the geneiva of My Harvest America . On the day that scam went best he said that he will be back better then ever and is actually working on other "deals"

So go sell your story to the marines .

I rest my case .
I didn't say anything until he himself came on to DDF and posted libel against upstanding members here who helped expose the fraud . He tried leading a smear campaign against Dan and other individuals via phone calls for the last 2 months and I kept quiet , coming here and blaming others was too much for me to handle .

HAS HE NO SHAME


You embezzled millions , hide in a hole . BUT DONT libel others 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 12:05:05 AM

Sure, but if he knows it's a Ponzi scheme. then his decision to get others to invest is to ensure that he's gets paid off while others get screwed over.

Listen, at some point, he'll get what's coming to him. It's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 29, 2014, 12:17:06 AM
Anyone hear of www.MyHarvestAmerica.com? I was wondering if it's a scam. You can get $300 prepaid debit card for only $255. Did anybody out there here about it or sign up for it? I want to if anyone had any problems with them. I already took the chance and signed up for it. I figured, if it's a scam, I'll just dispute the charge. So far it's great and really worth it. If you want to sign up, let me know, I'll tell you how. First just check out the sight and google it for scams. (I didn't find any scam report on it, let me know if you do) BTW, on a side note, you can also make money by signing up people under your account. Sounds sketchy....until my brother got his check!! (I'm waitng for mine too)

are you that brother?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 12:23:32 AM
What's with all the anger? You all got to relax sit down and watch some TV.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 29, 2014, 12:25:04 AM
are you that brother?

Wow. good call on that thread. You mean his brother is in on it?!?!  :o :o

who wouldve thunk!?

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 29, 2014, 12:26:19 AM
on a side note is this the thread with the most new accounts made in order comment? (not counting dating spots :) )
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: zlt123 on August 29, 2014, 12:26:31 AM
Wow, Just finished my first bag of popcorn, I'm going now to make 2 fresh ones, this is getting batter & batter ;) ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 29, 2014, 12:27:47 AM
DDMS pls
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 12:53:28 AM
What's with all the anger? You all got to relax sit down and watch some TV.
Not at all, rightous anger is a very helpful anger.

The company was audited a few days ago - successfully! Please explain to me how this is fraud???

Ha ha, "audited".
not sure if anyone posted this earlier. it was filed with the SEC on the 15th of this month.

http://edgar.secdatabase.com/1459/111776814000672/filing-main.htm

the juicy parts:

"Specifically related to the identified errors, the internal investigation concluded that due to lack of communication between departments, the accounting department had not been made aware of all the terms and conditions included in the purported sales to customers including certain right of return stipulations, full rebate guarantees and educational grant incentives associated with these arrangements. Accordingly, such transactions were not accounted for correctly and in accordance with US GAAP."

I can't answer that because I'm not involved in all the investors. My friends and I who have invested have gotten their money and returns.
Yup, b/c you screwed others. Yay for you!!

I believe that this is not a scam. I did lots of research with lawyers and successful businessman and they told me to put in money but don't put all your eggs in one basket.

I am unable to explain it here on the forums because it would take me a long time to write it and answer all your questions.

We really truly appreciate that you're willing to spend a few moments of your precious time to respond to us simpleton. We would love to sit at your feet and learn from your teachings, oh guru of money.

Several lawyers looked into the company and said it is not a penny stock. (That article is from a year ago)
Not yet, but it's on it's way there  :)

Madoff was only with cash, this is with CC.
Wow! Quite the difference there. I can smell your financial acumen all the way from Israel.
And is smells like horse&#$@
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:03:11 AM
Not at all, rightous anger is a very helpful anger.

Ha ha, "audited".Yup, b/c you screwed others. Yay for you!!
We really truly appreciate that you're willing to spend a few moments of your precious time to respond to us simpleton. We would love to sit at your feet and learn from your teachings, oh guru of money.
Not yet, but it's on it's way there  :)
Wow! Quite the difference there. I can smell your financial acumen all the way from Israel.
And is smells like horse&#$@

Why do you waste your time on DDF?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 29, 2014, 01:07:10 AM
Why do you waste your time on DDF?
the honorable sir has all his 31 posts made in this thread, smells fishy.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:08:16 AM
the honorable sir has all his 31 posts made in this thread, smells fishy.

Why do you waste your time on DDF?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 01:29:22 AM
Why do you waste your time on DDF?

Wow, great response. I guess I have nothing else to say and you're clearly in the right.
Troll
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChAiM'l on August 29, 2014, 01:32:05 AM
Wow, great response. I guess I have nothing else to say and you're clearly in the right.
Troll
Why do you waste your time on DDF?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:32:51 AM
Wow, great response. I guess I have nothing else to say and you're clearly in the right.
Troll


Relax relax no need to start calling people names. I just asked a question. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:33:57 AM
Wow, great response. I guess I have nothing else to say and you're clearly in the right.
Troll


So can you please answer the question
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on August 29, 2014, 01:34:00 AM
Another bag of popcorn popped.
This thread will help the FBI round up all the perps as they're all popping in.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 01:37:44 AM
Relax relax no need to start calling people names. I just asked a question. 
np, start a thread called "Why do you spend your time on DDF".

Here, we're discussing SunGames and the scammers behind it. Cockroaches are afraid of light shining in the s%&# pile they hide in.
But you have nothing to be afraid of. You're simply an investor who made some money...

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:40:34 AM
np, start a thread called "Why do you spend your time on DDF".

Here, we're discussing SunGames and the scammers behind it. Cockroaches are afraid of light shining in the s%&# pile they hide in.
But you have nothing to be afraid of. You're simply an investor who made some money...



Ok so basically you spend a large portion of your time on this forum talking about a scam and how these guys are all ignorant and uneducated and they're all gonna lose they're money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 01:43:29 AM
Ok so basically you spend a large portion of your time on this forum talking about a scam and how these guys are all ignorant and uneducated and they're all gonna lose they're money.
You're avoiding...

Since you're "educated" and spoke with 'lawyers' and 'businessmen', why don't you fill us in on the meaning of the filing? We'd love to learn from a savant like yourself.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:46:37 AM
You're avoiding...

Since you're "educated" and spoke with 'lawyers' and 'businessmen', why don't you fill us in on the meaning of the filing? We'd love to learn from a savant like yourself.
It looks like your agreeing with me that you do spend an aweful lot of time on DDF to just scream about scams and how the jewish world is full of dumb people who dont no anything about money. Interesting. Waste of time no?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 01:49:37 AM
It looks like your agreeing with me that you do spend an aweful lot of time on DDF to just scream about scams and how the jewish world is full of dumb people who dont no anything about money. Interesting. Waste of time no?
Still avoiding.
You know you have nothing to hide, so why are you running?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 01:50:07 AM
Went to Shoprite and got the Popcorners 4/$5 deal. 1 down 3 to go
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 29, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
It looks like your agreeing with me that you do spend an aweful lot of time on DDF to just scream about scams and how the jewish world is full of dumb people who dont no anything about money. Interesting. Waste of time no?

It looks like you've spent a good portion of the past day doing the same :o

But please keep this up because it really is quite entertaining watching this flipflop from a drama to a comedy. Posters like you make trolls like me come out of the dark  :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 01:51:54 AM
Went to Shoprite and got the Popcorners 4/$5 deal. 1 down 3 to go
You may not finish them unless s/o takes over for me. I've gotta get ready for shabbos soon.  :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on August 29, 2014, 01:53:37 AM
Went to Shoprite and got the Popcorners 4/$5 deal. 1 down 3 to go

Tsk tsk. You didn't take advantage of the main site deal last month ? http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46322
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 29, 2014, 01:53:52 AM
You know how they catch pyromaniacs? At every fire, there's always a crowd of people standing around watching. But one guy is standing there touching himself. They just can't stay away. That's more of the thrill than starting the fire.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChAiM'l on August 29, 2014, 01:55:01 AM
It looks like your agreeing with me that you do spend an aweful lot of time on DDF to just scream about scams and how the jewish world is full of dumb people who dont no anything about money. Interesting. Waste of time no?
Are you aware that you sound like a bloody idiot? Answer his question or crawl back into the hole you emerged from.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 01:57:33 AM
Tsk tsk. You didn't take advantage of the main site deal last month ? http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46322
I like the big bags better. :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 01:58:03 AM
Are you aware that you sound like a bloody idiot? Answer his question or crawl back into the hole you emerged from.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-fU0jYx6ANZg/UepWoEgGSRI/AAAAAAAAARc/FMSZLM5ZPxk/s640/Internet+Troll+Defense.png)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 01:59:12 AM
Are you aware that you sound like a bloody idiot? Answer his question or crawl back into the hole you emerged from.

Do you guys ever look back at your post and read them out loud? You guys really have to get out more like maybe play some ball go jogging get a girl friend. You guys can't be so dedicated to these forums.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 02:01:22 AM
Do you guys ever look back at your post and read them out loud? You guys really have to get out more like maybe play some ball go jogging get a girl friend. You guys can't be so dedicated to these forums.
I did and I laughed because your proving some late night comedy that better then whats on TV right now. I did all that before, plus a trip to WM tonight and I'm married. Whats your excuse???
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 29, 2014, 02:01:39 AM
Do you guys ever look back at your post and read them out loud? You guys really have to get out more like maybe play some ball go jogging get a girl friend. You guys can't be so dedicated to these forums.
Some people have groups so they can share knowledge others use their social groups to scam and cheat the unsuspecting.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:05:09 AM
I did and I laughed because your proving some late night comedy that better then whats on TV right now. I did all that before, plus a trip to WM tonight and I'm married. Whats your excuse???

Lol. I was on here a couple months ago thought guys wanted to hear about the scam. Saw no one was listening so I left. No I'm back to see where the party's holding.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 02:05:09 AM
Do you guys ever look back at your post and read them out loud? You guys really have to get out more like maybe play some ball go jogging get a girl friend. You guys can't be so dedicated to these forums.
Still avoiding.

Since you're a smart investor who has spoken to many 'experts', we'd love to learn more from you.
We'll sit at your feed and thirstly drink in the wisdom you impart.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:06:45 AM
Still avoiding.

Since you're a smart investor who has spoken to many 'experts', we'd love to learn more from you.
We'll sit at your feed and thirstly drink in the wisdom you impart.

Why are you still on here if it's almost shabbos? You should look into that.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 02:07:29 AM
Lol. I was on here a couple months ago thought guys wanted to hear about the scam. Saw no one was listening so I left. No I'm back to see where the party's holding.
I'm Listening?

@Drago, Sea Salt or Butter?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on August 29, 2014, 02:07:33 AM
I can't eat more popcorn after krias shema.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:09:50 AM
I'm Listening?

There's no point this whole scam thing has been over for some time. I don't feel the need to waste any more of my time on it. I'm enjoying the "dedicated DDF" guys the Dan talks about.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 29, 2014, 02:11:04 AM
What brand of popcorn is everyone getting? Do you pop your own?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 02:13:03 AM
What brand of popcorn is everyone getting? Do you pop your own?
I cheated and bought popcorners.

There's no point this whole scam thing has been over for some time. I don't feel the need to waste any more of my time on it. I'm enjoying the "dedicated DDF" guys the Dan talks about.
If this has been over for some time, why do we keep hearing its near the end? Also in a previous post you mentioned you would explain everything to us simpleton's if you had the time. I'm not going anywhere and it doesn't look you are either. I got my pencil and paper. I'm ready.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 02:16:10 AM
Why are you still on here if it's almost shabbos? You should look into that.
Still avoiding...
We're sure you're a smooth talker. Schmooze us up and convince us. We all love making an extra buck.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:18:14 AM
Still avoiding...
We're sure you're a smooth talker. Schmooze us up and convince us. We all love making an extra buck.

What? Are you serious? Your still asking even though you have a wife and kids and are preparing for shabbos? Seriously? Go take a shower and and get dresse for shabbos.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:20:33 AM
Where are you hearing that it's still going on? I heard that it's not.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 29, 2014, 02:22:21 AM
Where are you hearing that it's still going on? I heard that it's not.
You mean they filed for bankruptcy already?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:26:58 AM
I'm starting to think that........

(http://jessicahlawrence.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/crap_o_meter_dangerous.jpg)

Ok. Do me a favor show this last post to your wife and let me know what she's thinks of her dude.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:28:06 AM
This was posted on 8/27/14.

And why do you believe that guy?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:32:06 AM
She has been fast asleep for a while. Can you answer the questions about this scam or you like filibustering?

So she's sleeping and you tell her that your online doing some DDF? WOW!!!! Buddy youve got to figure yourself out. I wonder if you do anything else on the internet while she's sleeping?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on August 29, 2014, 02:34:16 AM
So she's sleeping and you tell her that your online doing some DDF? WOW!!!! Buddy youve got to figure yourself out. I wonder if you do anything else on the internet while she's sleeping?
You are a repulsive sc*mbag.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 02:35:06 AM
What? Are you serious? Your still asking even though you have a wife and kids and are preparing for shabbos? Seriously? Go take a shower and and get dresse for shabbos.
Still avoiding...
C'mon, you seem to be knowledgable. We'd love to learn from you.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:35:47 AM
So she's sleeping and you tell her that your online doing some DDF? WOW!!!! Buddy youve got to figure yourself out. I wonder if you do anything else on the internet while she's sleeping?
Buddy trust me just log out and go to sleep and when you wake up maybe you should think a little into fact that you have a little bit of an obsession with this website. And maybe you should go and write a book or something. Do something a little bit more productive that will make you a happier man. No?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 02:38:17 AM
So she's sleeping and you tell her that your online doing some DDF? WOW!!!! Buddy youve got to figure yourself out. I wonder if you do anything else on the internet while she's sleeping?
Yes I do a lot of stuff on the internet at night (Neflix, DDF,) , nothing that I would be embarrassed about. With that said I am out. Not sure why I wasted my time with a troll. Should have heeded my own advice before.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:38:29 AM
You are a repulsive sc*mbag.

2 years on this website!!524 post!! 5 gold stars!!! WOW!!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yechielM1 on August 29, 2014, 02:41:25 AM
Yes I do a lot of stuff on the internet at night , nothing that I would be embarrassed about. With that said I am out. Not sure why I am wasted my time with a troll. Should have taken my own advice before.

That's what you guys do when someone actually tries to pull you out of the mud. You just walk away to embarrassed to agree that you didn't just waste your time here tonight but that you have for a couple years now.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on August 29, 2014, 02:45:57 AM
Keep calm
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on August 29, 2014, 02:59:48 AM
Listen folks, Yechiel isn't planning on trying to defend the 'company' at this point in time. He's just here to make silly comments.

So if you feel passionate about this subject, then do something practical. Share a link to this thread and the latest filings on your FB page, local shul poster board, w/ friends and relatives, in short, try to shine some light on it.

And we will pray that those that get screwed over from this won't be embarrased to come forward, sue the ppl on top, and share their story. After all, we all make financial mistakes, they're not the only ones.

Only by doing this will we prevent these scams in the future.

And a side benefit would be locking up the perps and causing their financial ruin.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 29, 2014, 04:02:31 AM
That's what you guys do when someone actually tries to pull you out of the mud. You just walk away to embarrassed to agree that you didn't just waste your time here tonight but that you have for a couple years now.
Not sure what your problem is but if you have a question then just ask it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on August 29, 2014, 04:50:08 AM

I'm getting ready my popcorn.
where is that quoted from?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Chaikel on August 29, 2014, 05:30:24 AM
Clearly yechielM1 has proven to all of us once again that he has full knowledge that this is a scam. I think his posts might be relevant to the investigation (It's not that hard to track his ATT phone he's posting from), but in the mean time, I've banned this creature from the forums. I've pooped things that are held in higher accolade then these scammers.

I'm leaving his posts on because they're one of the most compelling proofs that this whole thing is a scam, and I'm sure anyone reading them will realize that
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 29, 2014, 06:44:35 AM
Just when I was going to have some fun you ban the poor soul.  :(
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Chaikel on August 29, 2014, 07:38:58 AM
Just when I was going to have some fun you ban the poor soul.  :(
All good things must come to an end. Maybe he'll reincarnate as a more respectful, albeit just as incredulous, person
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on August 29, 2014, 11:30:54 AM
Now trading at $4/share. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on August 29, 2014, 01:02:01 PM
Clearly yechielM1 has proven to all of us once again that he has full knowledge that this is a scam. I think his posts might be relevant to the investigation (It's not that hard to track his ATT phone he's posting from), but in the mean time, I've banned this creature from the forums. I've pooped things that are held in higher accolade then these scammers.

I'm leaving his posts on because they're one of the most compelling proofs that this whole thing is a scam, and I'm sure anyone reading them will realize that

darn... the fun ends.

They did say the end is near.....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on August 29, 2014, 01:06:54 PM
Clearly yechielM1 has proven to all of us once again that he has full knowledge that this is a scam. I think his posts might be relevant to the investigation (It's not that hard to track his ATT phone he's posting from), but in the mean time, I've banned this creature from the forums. I've pooped things that are held in higher accolade then these scammers.

I'm leaving his posts on because they're one of the most compelling proofs that this whole thing is a scam, and I'm sure anyone reading them will realize that

Are you a smuggling mule?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bubkiz on August 29, 2014, 01:11:00 PM
Are you a smuggling mule?
lol
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avibrooklyn on August 29, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
Clearly yechielM1 has proven to all of us once again that he has full knowledge that this is a scam. I think his posts might be relevant to the investigation (It's not that hard to track his ATT phone he's posting from), but in the mean time, I've banned this creature from the forums. I've pooped things that are held in higher accolade then these scammers.

I'm leaving his posts on because they're one of the most compelling proofs that this whole thing is a scam, and I'm sure anyone reading them will realize that


@drago was having fun with that dude  :'(
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 29, 2014, 01:37:58 PM

@drago was having fun with that dude  :'(
Weren't we all...

All good things must come to an end...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on August 29, 2014, 01:43:53 PM
I hope people understand just how vile the scammer mentality is. Why are these middle to low level guys so upset with DDF? Because even though they know the scam is ending imminently, they still need to squeeze the last few people they know. DDF is a thorn in their sides because it puts the word out in the Jewish world. These middle to low level guys aren't going into other people's communities to scam. They want to keep it "heimish" and scam people they know and DDF is putting a damper on that.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 29, 2014, 02:00:32 PM
I don't think yechielM1 really had any part of this scam at all. Though he may know someone involved in it. The dude was just trolling and trying to get a rise out of us. He makes a lot of ambiguous statements throughout the thread but never says anything concrete and every time he is challenged he deflects to something else. I guess at 2:00 am, what else is he going to do but troll and annoy people saying he made money and was on the inside. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 29, 2014, 02:15:32 PM
These middle to low level guys aren't going into other people's communities to scam.
Sure they are. They are equal opportunity scammers.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 11, 2014, 04:01:43 PM
 I was told by an investor this morning that they are trying to raise more money for this deal. The investors were promised 100% return on the new money!!! within a week!!. I heard that there are people that are giving more.
   I am blown away by how dumb people are. The investor told me that a Rov in the deal told him that he should put in more because he is speaking to mekubalim who have vouched for this deal.
  Insane!
 You can't make this up!
   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on September 11, 2014, 04:02:51 PM
I was told by an investor this morning that they are trying to raise more money for this deal. The investors were promised 100% return on the new money!!! within a week!!. I heard that there are people that are giving more.
   I am blown away by how dumb people are. The investor told me that a Rov in the deal told him that he should put in more because he is speaking to mekubalim who have vouched for this deal.
  Insane!
 You can't make this up!
   
Why are mekubalim involved in this ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 11, 2014, 04:04:37 PM
I was told by an investor this morning that they are trying to raise more money for this deal. The investors were promised 100% return on the new money!!! within a week!!. I heard that there are people that are giving more.
   I am blown away by how dumb people are. The investor told me that a Rov in the deal told him that he should put in more because he is speaking to mekubalim who have vouched for this deal.
  Insane!
 You can't make this up!
   
They should listen to the investor call...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 11, 2014, 04:08:51 PM
Why are mekubalim involved in this ?
They're experts on raising money...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on September 11, 2014, 04:12:20 PM
I know this is largely irrelevant as it's hard to call something a loan which isn't/won't be paid back, but is the company owned by Jews? Do they have a heter iska or are they relying on the rav Moshe about companies?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 11, 2014, 04:20:16 PM
 They are all dreamers!! 
  There are lots of Rabbonim involved in this deal. There are a lot of yeshivas involved.
 They need the dream to stay alive . Whatever it takes. Even if it means putting in more money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on September 11, 2014, 05:11:37 PM
I know this is largely irrelevant as it's hard to call something a loan which isn't/won't be paid back, but is the company owned by Jews? Do they have a heter iska or are they relying on the rav Moshe about companies?
Not jewish
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on September 11, 2014, 05:12:11 PM
Why are mekubalim involved in this ?
Their not
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mountain Man on September 11, 2014, 07:15:37 PM
They are all dreamers!! 
  There are lots of Rabbonim involved in this deal. There are a lot of yeshivas involved.
 They need the dream to stay alive . Whatever it takes. Even if it means putting in more money.

Why can't they just see it for what it is. It's a sunk cost. A mistake was made, face it and move on. The longer this mess goes on the greater chance for this hitting mainstream media and becoming yet another chilul hashem.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 11, 2014, 08:14:52 PM
Why can't they just see it for what it is. It's a sunk cost. A mistake was made, face it and move on. The longer this mess goes on the greater chance for this hitting mainstream media and becoming yet another chilul hashem.
Ever heard of the Sunk cost fallacy? (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sunk_cost_fallacy)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on September 11, 2014, 08:27:29 PM
Why can't they just see it for what it is. It's a sunk cost. A mistake was made, face it and move on. The longer this mess goes on the greater chance for this hitting mainstream media and becoming yet another chilul hashem.
They honestly still believe they are getting their money back. Just had a conversation with a guy with money in and it was comical how delusional he was.
First he says you think these guys did this for just $10 mil (still not sure why that's so farfetched). Then he's like he's only trying to raise $50k today so it can't be a scan cause it's so little $. Then he brings in the mekubalim. And he says rav shteinman also have his bracha
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avibrooklyn on September 11, 2014, 08:46:16 PM
They honestly still believe they are getting their money back. Just had a conversation with a guy with money in and it was comical how delusional he was.
First he says you think these guys did this for just $10 mil (still not sure why that's so farfetched). Then he's like he's only trying to raise $50k today so it can't be a scan cause it's so little $. Then he brings in the mekubalim. And he says rav shteinman also have his bracha


with all due respect to all the rabbis who gave their "blessing" to this "deal"


what do they understand about business or economics ?

just asking
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on September 12, 2014, 12:46:40 AM
They're experts on raising money...
Like!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on September 12, 2014, 12:47:23 AM
But don't forget it's almost at the end
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 12:57:21 AM
But don't forget it's almost at the end
They're already thinking up the next one.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on September 12, 2014, 01:54:52 AM
They're already thinking up the next one.
No doubt he is, from my research on him I believe this is his 6th or 7th multi million $ scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 02:11:42 AM
I believe this is his 6th or 7th multi million $ scam
Wow, & he's still going strong.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on September 16, 2014, 10:23:38 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/company-ceo-coo-disappeared-most-175013000.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/company-ceo-coo-disappeared-most-175013000.html)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 10:29:51 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/company-ceo-coo-disappeared-most-175013000.html (https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/company-ceo-coo-disappeared-most-175013000.html)
ready to invest in Ali Baba
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on September 16, 2014, 10:45:05 PM
ready to invest in Ali Baba
Implying that the owners will disappear?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 10:47:18 PM
ready to invest in Ali Baba
While Ali Baba is probably not as reliable as a real major US corp, its not comparable to this.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: EMCC on September 17, 2014, 12:17:21 AM
While Ali Baba is probably not as reliable as a real major US corp, its not comparable to this.
Alibaba is a huge huge huge corporation with many brands and products. I trust it as much if not more than Google.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 17, 2014, 11:59:22 AM
 I have all my money in Sungame. This is the only investment that guarantees a 250% return!!Dont be stupid and invest in other investments and stocks that only guarantee 10 %.
      How are we going to get rich quick from 10% returns!?! dont be fools!! Put all your money into Sungame and as an added bonus you will receive brachas from many different Rabbonim and Mikubalim. Win- Win!! 
  They will also throw in a tablet valued at 995.00 for every 1000 investment. Jump on the boat !! It is not too late they tell me. I actually just gave another 5,000 which will guarantee me another 1 million dollars in returns plus a free trip to Uman!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: compddd on September 17, 2014, 12:10:34 PM
Sounds legit
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Red on September 17, 2014, 12:12:39 PM
Where do I sign up? Can I just give you my credit card info and you'll take care of it for me?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 12:18:49 PM
Where do I sign up? Can I just give you my credit card info and you'll take care of it for me?
No need just give me your social and I'll open up the cards FOR you :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Red on September 17, 2014, 12:20:35 PM
No need just give me your social and I'll open up the cards FOR you :P
Ah, now you talking. Wait are you from Lakewood? No, ok I'll PM you my info.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 12:38:20 PM
Ah, now you talking. Wait are you from Lakewood? No, ok I'll PM you my info.
No need to worry, never been to Lakewood, I MUST be legit :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 12:41:39 PM
I have all my money in Sungame. This is the only investment that guarantees a 250% return!!Dont be stupid and invest in other investments and stocks that only guarantee 10 %.
      How are we going to get rich quick from 10% returns!?! dont be fools!! Put all your money into Sungame and as an added bonus you will receive brachas from many different Rabbonim and Mikubalim. Win- Win!! 
  They will also throw in a tablet valued at 995.00 for every 1000 investment. Jump on the boat !! It is not too late they tell me. I actually just gave another 5,000 which will guarantee me another 1 million dollars in returns plus a free trip to Uman!
Just make sure to tell the auditor that you signed up with no intention of making any money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 12:42:36 PM
Just make sure to tell the auditor that you signed up with no intention of making any money.
Of course not! It was all for the Brachos of the Mekubalim and the free trip to Uman. Oh and the tablet...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 12:51:59 PM
Of course not! It was all for the Brachos of the Mekubalim and the free trip to Uman. Oh and the tablet...
The tablet that's been getting rave reviews.  Truly an iPad killer. Really it should cost $2,000 IMHO, $1,000 is far too cheap.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 17, 2014, 01:12:07 PM
 Everyone remember when the Auditor calls to answer YES to the first 2 questions , NO to the next one and PLEAD THE 5th if they ask you who got you involved in this deal! This is the ONLY way we can get our returns. Please do not mess it up for the rest of us. If all of us answer the Auditors answers correctly then we get a bonus that we can tour the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory together!
  Practice your answers. Also, please fill out your Social Security numbers neatly so that we can move forward with the banks in Panama. Also leave all your banking information so that its a smooth transition from the Panama Bank to the bank here in the states. This is going to be huge!
  Charlie and the Chocolate Factory here we come!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 01:15:25 PM
You forgot the part about how all that's needed to march towards victory is faith. Keep up the faith! We're almost at the end! Keep up the faith! The kool-aid is on its way! Don't talk about this online or you're be the one we blame when this inevitably falls apart! Keep up the faith! Don't mess up when the auditor calls!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 17, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
 Its all about the relationships really at the end. The money is not what this all about anyways . Its about the faith and relationships that we met along the way. This deal is about faith and relationships and free tablets. I have been given advice from major Rabonim that this deal is going to happen and no one should pull out and ask for chargebacks - that can doom this whole deal. How will you sleep at night to know that you were the cause for the whole meltdown of this giant billion dollar organization!
   If i have to , I will call and leave another message by Dans- that should scare you all !We are almost there!
 Again, please have faith and PLEAD THE 5th!!
   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 01:25:47 PM
Its all about the relationships really at the end. The money is not what this all about anyways . Its about the faith and relationships that we met along the way. This deal is about faith and relationships and free tablets. I have been given advice from major Rabonim that this deal is going to happen and no one should pull out and ask for chargebacks - that can doom this whole deal. How will you sleep at night to know that you were the cause for the whole meltdown of this giant billion dollar organization!
   If i have to , I will call and leave another message by Dans- that should scare you all !We are almost there!
 Again, please have faith and PLEAD THE 5th!!
   
Bravo! Excellent summary.

The scene goes like this:
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 17, 2014, 02:06:19 PM
   There will be another conference call to summarize the last email which will explain the last conference call to explain the email which explained the call. If you do not understand what is going on with the deal its because we cannot put it all down in writing. There are a lot of moving parts that cannot be explained to the public at this time. If you listen to the conference call you will almost understand the misunderstanding and the deal. I will give you a hint- Facebook exists, Tablet exists, money exists and  there is the trading of the OTC which exist. If you put this all together you will understand. The first billion dollar bonus is heading our way if we dont chargeback!! ..Just believe!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 02:18:41 PM
To paraphrase John Oliver (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZDZ5cn3HR8): The bad news is all your money is gone... the good news is, I'm fine!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 17, 2014, 02:34:34 PM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2014/09/beware-irs-scam-leaves-wife-panicking-when-husband-goes-missing-to-borrow-money.html#more-96951


WOW
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2014, 02:37:54 PM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2014/09/beware-irs-scam-leaves-wife-panicking-when-husband-goes-missing-to-borrow-money.html#more-96951
WOW
So many stupid people out there.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on September 17, 2014, 02:46:22 PM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2014/09/beware-irs-scam-leaves-wife-panicking-when-husband-goes-missing-to-borrow-money.html#more-96951


WOW
A similar thing happened to my neighbor. He borrowed $4k from someone, and was on the way to Western Union when the guy asked him what it's for, and then told him it's a scam. He's from Russia, so when he got a call from someone saying he's from a government agency, he panicked.
These scammers don't make their money from you and I, they make it from people who are gullible enough to get scared. There's another one born every minute...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on September 17, 2014, 02:50:38 PM
Oh gosh. Pretty crazy. Meanwhile there are plenty of scams that even the "smarter" folk fall for.  Especially when someone they trust ropes em in.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 03:10:48 PM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2014/09/beware-irs-scam-leaves-wife-panicking-when-husband-goes-missing-to-borrow-money.html#more-96951


WOW
:o
Sad sad sad...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 17, 2014, 03:15:12 PM
There's also the sholom bayis component...:o
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on September 17, 2014, 03:20:30 PM
We are almost there! Neil is now on the plane from Panama to meet with the Asian syndicate (sounds like a Japanese mafia) to finalize the Q (shout out to James Bond). Unfortunately, one of the signatories flying with him forgot his Dramamine, so he had to get off the plane. He will take the following flight by Concord (Schneider Brothers owns the last remaining concord specifically to be used for just such emergencies).

Afterwards, Neil will meet with all the investors in Monsey in the dining room of Yeshivas Lifnei Iver, where he will finally get all of the investor’s mailing addresses, (for some reason, they seem to have lost them, even though they wrote them on bright pink sheets) to know where to mail your bonus 2nd-generation twice-removed 3D tablet. Then Neil will introduce the mekubal who will levitate us all to Europe to meet with the auditors at Volks Bank, so we can conform with Europay’s banking standards and comply with Facebook’s like-button and Alibaba’s Arabian Nightstand.

From here, Robert will take over, and offer you a personal deal, not in any way affiliated with SunGame (auditor! Do you hear that, wink, wink). From the kindness of Robert’s heart, any new investment put in by midnight tonight, will be doubled by next week, plus a bonus 3rd generation tablet. However, don’t ask Robert how turn this on, he’s tablet challenged. But more important than the monetary gains to be had (that’s not where our main focus lies), we most appreciate the relationships we are fostering, the close kinship we’ve established, and the comedy we’ve generated.

Remember, this is not a game... its Sungame!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 17, 2014, 03:41:02 PM

Am I the only loser  not in on this deal ? I want in now!!
   Who do I speak to?  Is it too late ?!?! Please tell me that its not too late!!
 I need money and my kids want a tablet and my wife wants a trip to Europe- This is the deal that can make us all happy!!! I want in!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on September 17, 2014, 03:46:36 PM
No, you're the only one who still thinks it's funny...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: YankyDoodle on September 17, 2014, 03:55:27 PM
No, you're the only one who still thinks it's funny...
lol!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 04:06:28 PM
Am I the only loser  not in on this deal ? I want in now!!
   Who do I speak to?  Is it too late ?!?! Please tell me that its not too late!!
 I need money and my kids want a tablet and my wife wants a trip to Europe- This is the deal that can make us all happy!!! I want in!!
No need just give me your social and I'll sign up for you :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: chevron on September 17, 2014, 06:32:06 PM
I know this is old but just saw link on fb, after reading much of this and wasting a day of work (I had a hangover any ways so it would not have been so productive) I am now more surprised people attack me for my mentality that yeshivot need to instill honesty, hardworking and thrift.

Personally I encountered a legal MLM so to speak that would have funded a charity org, both my lawyer and accountant said to stay away simply because you dont mix mosdos up with business affairs

I know amazon smiles is only %0.5,  but its better than bankrupting your entire community

So, before you do your chase freedom %5 amazon spend, be sure to use amazon smiles

And if you have a legit organization and want to do a wine and cheese fundraiser, drop me a pm, always glad to arrange em free
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on September 17, 2014, 06:44:18 PM
I know this is old but just saw link on fb, after reading much of this and wasting a day of work (I had a hangover any ways so it would not have been so productive) I am now more surprised people attack me for my mentality that yeshivot need to instill honesty, hardworking and thrift.

Personally I encountered a legal MLM so to speak that would have funded a charity org, both my lawyer and accountant said to stay away simply because you dont mix mosdos up with business affairs

I know amazon smiles is only %0.5,  but its better than bankrupting your entire community

So, before you do your chase freedom %5 amazon spend, be sure to use amazon smiles

And if you have a legit organization and want to do a wine and cheese fundraiser, drop me a pm, always glad to arrange em free
Huh? Come again
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: chevron on September 17, 2014, 07:14:17 PM
Huh? Come again

I thought the whole thing here was that people were trying to help yeshivot ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: lubaby on September 17, 2014, 07:23:36 PM
I thought the whole thing here was that people were trying to help yeshivot ?
People are only ever trying to help themselves.
Anyone that claims otherwise is not being honest.

When everything looks good, anybody can be your friend. Once things start going sour, it's every man for himself.
So if you trusted somebody else, chances are you're going to lose.
Especially when it comes to money, then you see the real side of people. Greed.
I wish it weren't so with Jews, but unfortunately it's the same everywhere.

People that hide behind Yeshivos for their schemes/scams are even worse..

/rant
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: chevron on September 17, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
People are only ever trying to help themselves.
Anyone that claims otherwise is not being honest.

When everything looks good, anybody can be your friend. Once things start going sour, it's every man for himself.
So if you trusted somebody else, chances are you're going to lose.
Especially when it comes to money, then you see the real side of people. Greed.
I wish it weren't so with Jews, but unfortunately it's the same everywhere.

/minirant

Your right, the real reason I do wine and cheese fundraisers is, I get to keep the leftover wine and cheese ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on September 17, 2014, 10:14:42 PM


Personally I encountered a legal MLM so to speak that would have funded a charity org, both my lawyer and accountant said to stay away simply because you dont mix mosdos up with business affairs


A legal MLM? I wonder how that would work.

How about this: We sue you, and you settle with us and pay, and then you sue other people and they will settle with you and pay, and then they sue other people who will settle with them and pay!  It's like an endless stream of cash!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 10:18:56 PM
A legal MLM? I wonder how that would work.

How about this: We sue you, and you settle with us and pay, and then you sue other people and they will settle with you and pay, and then they sue other people who will settle with them and pay! It's like an endless stream of cash!
...for the lawyers!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: chevron on September 18, 2014, 12:21:54 AM
A legal MLM? I wonder how that would work.

How about this: We sue you, and you settle with us and pay, and then you sue other people and they will settle with you and pay, and then they sue other people who will settle with them and pay!  It's like an endless stream of cash!

lol I meant like its not a MLM but along the lines in a legal way, cc processing company says you bring us clients, we give you % of swipe
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on September 18, 2014, 08:25:34 AM
Bravo! Excellent summary.

The scene goes like this:


No, Dan! You didn't!

MOSHE P. SHOT SIRUS!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Grisly Gus on September 21, 2014, 10:39:36 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud

"These scams exploit the trust and friendship that exist in groups of people who have something in common. Because of the tight-knit structure of many groups, it can be difficult for regulators or law enforcement officials to detect an affinity scam. Victims often fail to notify authorities or pursue their legal remedies, and instead try to work things out within the group. This is particularly true where the fraudsters have used respected community or religious leaders to convince others to join the investment."
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on September 21, 2014, 10:51:47 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud

"These scams exploit the trust and friendship that exist in groups of people who have something in common. Because of the tight-knit structure of many groups, it can be difficult for regulators or law enforcement officials to detect an affinity scam. Victims often fail to notify authorities or pursue their legal remedies, and instead try to work things out within the group. This is particularly true where the fraudsters have used respected community or religious leaders to convince others to join the investment."
Interesting first post. You apparently came here with an agenda.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on September 21, 2014, 07:39:54 PM
Interesting first post. You apparently came here with an agenda.
the number of new accounts or members that only comment in this thread probably beats all other threads.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Freddie on September 21, 2014, 07:54:52 PM
the number of new accounts or members that only comment in this thread probably beats all other threads.

Where else are people supposed to go to talk about this? The "official" policy seems to be to ignore it. People need to vent somewhere.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on September 21, 2014, 10:20:58 PM

Interesting first post. You apparently came here with an agenda.

So.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on September 22, 2014, 01:03:29 AM
Interesting first post. You apparently came here with an agenda.
Yea, but he seems to be bashing Sungames, not supporting it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Something Fishy on September 22, 2014, 07:39:10 AM
Interesting first post. You apparently came here with an agenda.

What's your beef, man? His post is relevant and interesting. Even if he has an agenda, it's in line with all of ours.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: money spender #4 on September 24, 2014, 06:31:31 AM
anyone know if they caught the scumbag Neil Chandran.. it shows he had a court case or hearing on July 17th. he seems to have stole a ton of money from a lot of ppl. also this rabbi from NJ is such a fraud. the last few weeks on some spare time i was able to recognize his style of writing and have put pieces together. he started that post on MHA and  is the one defending the post on the sungames scams ddf pages in different usernames. he also is the writer on TLS who wrote that anonymous letter saying  basically its okay to steal(i know i made that in my own words but it takes a fool to not see it that way) he is the same guy defending all the comments with a few different usernames. why is this guy walking around freely? i moved to Israel a while back but if i was there i would have a hard time not teaching him a lesson. at least he must be stopped and no its not lashon hara if you are helping yidden save their money and family.if someone doesn't have money and uses their cc for 50k and doesn't see money back since its fraud they have a big problem,..people can have so much agras nefesh from someone like this that he needs to be dealt with seriously.

Dan i hope what i wrote isn't too much since this is really a site for deals. and the best deals at that. but i had to let some anger go and rant.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 24, 2014, 06:39:01 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affinity_fraud

"These scams exploit the trust and friendship that exist in groups of people who have something in common. Because of the tight-knit structure of many groups, it can be difficult for regulators or law enforcement officials to detect an affinity scam. Victims often fail to notify authorities or pursue their legal remedies, and instead try to work things out within the group. This is particularly true where the fraudsters have used respected community or religious leaders to convince others to join the investment."
Interesting first post. You apparently came here with an agenda.
Maybe the agenda is to expose this scam and all involved in it, including religious leaders.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on September 27, 2014, 07:24:36 PM
anyone know if they caught the scumbag Neil Chandran.. it shows he had a court case or hearing on July 17th. he seems to have stole a ton of money from a lot of ppl. also this rabbi from NJ is such a fraud. the last few weeks on some spare time i was able to recognize his style of writing and have put pieces together. he started that post on MHA and  is the one defending the post on the sungames scams ddf pages in different usernames. he also is the writer on TLS who wrote that anonymous letter saying  basically its okay to steal(i know i made that in my own words but it takes a fool to not see it that way) he is the same guy defending all the comments with a few different usernames. why is this guy walking around freely? i moved to Israel a while back but if i was there i would have a hard time not teaching him a lesson. at least he must be stopped and no its not lashon hara if you are helping yidden save their money and family.if someone doesn't have money and uses their cc for 50k and doesn't see money back since its fraud they have a big problem,..people can have so much agras nefesh from someone like this that he needs to be dealt with seriously.

Dan i hope what i wrote isn't too much since this is really a site for deals. and the best deals at that. but i had to let some anger go and rant.
Which rabbi from NJ? Do you mean monsey?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: money spender #4 on September 28, 2014, 06:47:23 AM
yes monsey. but he has a job in NJ so i mistakenly wrote nj.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 30, 2014, 01:04:09 PM
  I know someone caught in all of this. He was hoping that this deal can help him out of some debt and help him put money away for a wedding. He blew it. He regrets it. However, he is being made to feel guilty for charging back now. He has no money for Yom Tov. zero. And he told me that he is going to feel horrible if he pulls money out now. The leaders of the deal promised that mikubalim and rabbonim PROMISED that it will all end up well. And he feels he is going kneged Torah if he pulls his money out. There are sick people involved in running this deal. Manipulators. These leaders who are using Mikubalim and Rabbonim to put the fear into people- you are going to have to give din v"chesbon one day!! Horrible selfish people. He was promised money by April!! We are talking about 6 months later now and of course the " We are almost there!" line pops up. As always. He was told by a known Rebba in Monsey, who has his money and lot of money of others in the deal, that the last thing anyone should do now is pull out. It will ruin it for everyone. Make people feel guilty for taking out their money. Make people feel that Mekubalim and rabbonim are promising. Sick people.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 30, 2014, 01:08:51 PM
  I know someone caught in all of this. He was hoping that this deal can help him out of some debt and help him put money away for a wedding. He blew it. He regrets it. However, he is being made to feel guilty for charging back now. He has no money for Yom Tov. zero. And he told me that he is going to feel horrible if he pulls money out now. The leaders of the deal promised that mikubalim and rabbonim PROMISED that it will all end up well. And he feels he is going kneged Torah if he pulls his money out. There are sick people involved in running this deal. Manipulators. These leaders who are using Mikubalim and Rabbonim to put the fear into people- you are going to have to give din v"chesbon one day!! Horrible selfish people. He was promised money by April!! We are talking about 6 months later now and of course the " We are almost there!" line pops up. As always. He was told by a known Rebba in Monsey, who has his money and lot of money of others in the deal, that the last thing anyone should do now is pull out. It will ruin it for everyone. Make people feel guilty for taking out their money. Make people feel that Mekubalim and rabbonim are promising. Sick people.
Maybe have him talk to HIS Rov instead of relying on Mekubalim? That should help with his guit.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 30, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
 This Rebba who told him to keep his money in IS HIS rov who got him involved!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 30, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
This Rebba who told him to keep his money in IS HIS rov who got him involved!

Oy!
Time to find a new Rov...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on September 30, 2014, 01:16:22 PM
Oy!
Time to find a new Rov...
+1,000
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on September 30, 2014, 01:54:40 PM
This Rebba who told him to keep his money in IS HIS rov who got him involved!
If it's the same Rebba that also plays Mekubal/fortune teller when in the mood, and he charges people hundreds of dollars to spin his draidel on Chanuka for a brocha... then it all makes sense!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 30, 2014, 03:08:22 PM
Its not that Rebbe.
     This  Rebbe I am referring to walks around like he has a big malchus when he has nothing. He only has 20 followers and everyone knows he owes lots of money to everyone. Delusional individual. He gives business advice to people and has not earned a clean dollar in his life.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on September 30, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
  I know someone caught in all of this. He was hoping that this deal can help him out of some debt and help him put money away for a wedding. He blew it. He regrets it. However, he is being made to feel guilty for charging back now. He has no money for Yom Tov. zero. And he told me that he is going to feel horrible if he pulls money out now. The leaders of the deal promised that mikubalim and rabbonim PROMISED that it will all end up well. And he feels he is going kneged Torah if he pulls his money out. There are sick people involved in running this deal. Manipulators. These leaders who are using Mikubalim and Rabbonim to put the fear into people- you are going to have to give din v"chesbon one day!! Horrible selfish people. He was promised money by April!! We are talking about 6 months later now and of course the " We are almost there!" line pops up. As always. He was told by a known Rebba in Monsey, who has his money and lot of money of others in the deal, that the last thing anyone should do now is pull out. It will ruin it for everyone. Make people feel guilty for taking out their money. Make people feel that Mekubalim and rabbonim are promising. Sick people.

They would let him pull his money out?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on September 30, 2014, 03:25:29 PM
 You can Chargeback. You can dispute the charge paid with credit card. They need everyone on board and not raise any red flags at this point.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on September 30, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
You can Chargeback. You can dispute the charge paid with credit card. They need everyone on board and not raise any red flags at this point.

Gotcha. Well, I suppose if you were dumb enough to fall for it the first time, there is no reason to chargeback now instead of waiting to see if they will come through.

I would sure hope the cc companies aren't dumb enough to allow chargebacks on something like this though.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on September 30, 2014, 05:38:08 PM
You can Chargeback. You can dispute the charge paid with credit card. They need everyone on board and not raise any red flags at this point.
Its Probably to late to dispute it now.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on September 30, 2014, 06:38:47 PM
Gotcha. Well, I suppose if you were dumb enough to fall for it the first time, there is no reason to chargeback now instead of waiting to see if they will come through.

I would sure hope the cc companies aren't dumb enough to allow chargebacks on something like this though.
They usually just take the money back from the merchant
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AsherO on October 02, 2014, 08:45:48 AM
I would sure hope the cc companies aren't dumb enough to allow chargebacks on something like this though.

The CC companies don't want to ruin it for everybody, and they are afraid to be sued by SunGames. Besides,  in the zechus of not allowing chargebacks, the Mekuballim promised to daven for the Cc companies to have a good year.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on October 02, 2014, 11:00:51 AM
The CC companies don't want to ruin it for everybody, and they are afraid to be sued by SunGames. Besides,  in the zechus of not allowing chargebacks, the Mekuballim promised to daven for the Cc companies to have a good year.

+1 :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on October 02, 2014, 11:41:23 AM
This thread never fails to entertain
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 02, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
    If you read all the emails that the leaders of this deal send out you will be entertained for days!! ... I think the last email they sent out was that the money is stuck in Panama and will be delivered to California as soon as the signators and syndicates sign the proper documentation in DC. After that the money will be shipped through Europe and because of the change in the weather, the plane will have to land in Asia . So all is going  as planned and the money will be here by succos. However, because there are orthodox bankers, we may have to wait until after Succos We are almost there!!
     What i wrote is close to what the "Leaders" of the group send out to the investors.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Sport on October 02, 2014, 12:06:44 PM

    If you read all the emails that the leaders of this deal send out you will be entertained for days!! ... I think the last email they sent out was that the money is stuck in Panama and will be delivered to California as soon as the signators and syndicates sign the proper documentation in DC. After that the money will be shipped through Europe and because of the change in the weather, the plane will have to land in Asia . So all is going  as planned and the money will be here by succos. However, because there are orthodox bankers, we may have to wait until after Succos We are almost there!!
     What i wrote is close to what the "Leaders" of the group send out to the investors.
How can I  see these emails and/or get added to their email list?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AsherO on October 02, 2014, 12:09:11 PM
How can I  see these emails and/or get added to their email list?

You just have to buy one share, but if you buy 10 they'll give you 10 more for free and if you buy 100 you get a free tablet on release date.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Sport on October 02, 2014, 12:11:22 PM

You just have to buy one share, but if you buy 10 they'll give you 10 more for free and if you buy 100 you get a free tablet on release date.
Hmmm.. The entertainment value of the emails may make this a worth while use of my money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 02, 2014, 12:17:10 PM
    If you read all the emails that the leaders of this deal send out you will be entertained for days!! ... I think the last email they sent out was that the money is stuck in Panama and will be delivered to California as soon as the signators and syndicates sign the proper documentation in DC. After that the money will be shipped through Europe and because of the change in the weather, the plane will have to land in Asia . So all is going  as planned and the money will be here by succos. However, because there are orthodox bankers, we may have to wait until after Succos We are almost there!!
     What i wrote is close to what the "Leaders" of the group send out to the investors.

No stopover in Nigeria?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 02, 2014, 12:22:51 PM
  A family member of mine is an investor . He gets the emails. The more emails he gets with updates, the more of a fool he feels. He feels that every update makes them look like idiots. He is done . He accepted the fact that the money is lost. Now he just laughs when he gets all these chaotic emails- at least now he is getting his moneys worth!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 02, 2014, 12:24:31 PM
  A family member of mine is an investor . He gets the emails. The more emails he gets with updates, the more of a fool he feels. He feels that every update makes them look like idiots. He is done . He accepted the fact that the money is lost. Now he just laughs when he gets all these chaotic emails- at least now he is getting his moneys worth!
Can't he charge back?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 12:24:42 PM
Let him post here and share his adventure and what drew him in.
Should be a lesson to others.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on October 02, 2014, 12:30:31 PM
Madoff is getting a roommate any time soon????  i am not an investor but these things make me sick :(
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 02, 2014, 01:27:27 PM
 Simple what drew him in ....false promises. He did not know much about the deal but was going on information from other people. He was told by a known Rov that  he would regret it if he past on this deal. This Rov told him that he  is putting a group together to get in. He was told that Mekubalim have promised the success of this deal. The Rov told him that he plans on building a shul with this money.... He felt that how can he go wrong.
    Now he knows better.
 These people who encouraged and made false promises based on nothing should be ashamed of themselves. This Rov owes so much money to people around monsey. Many people in Monsey have been screwed by this guy- But no one will say anything because of the position he carries.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on October 02, 2014, 01:52:02 PM
I LOVE THIS THREAD!!
Make sure the plane with the money isent malysian air..... hey I think I just provided the basis for the next email. :-)
How much money did your cousin put in? Good entertinment isent cheap so its probally worth it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on October 02, 2014, 02:02:15 PM

Simple what drew him in ....false promises. He did not know much about the deal but was going on information from other people. He was told by a known Rov that  he would regret it if he past on this deal. This Rov told him that he  is putting a group together to get in. He was told that Mekubalim have promised the success of this deal. The Rov told him that he plans on building a shul with this money.... He felt that how can he go wrong.
    Now he knows better.
 These people who encouraged and made false promises based on nothing should be ashamed of themselves. This Rov owes so much money to people around monsey. Many people in Monsey have been screwed by this guy- But no one will say anything because of the position he carries.

Did the Rav himself make money?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 02, 2014, 03:44:06 PM
 I believe that he put together the money from a group of people  and is getting a big  fee from the profits. He was in a win-win. Thats why he is telling them all they better keep their money in. If they take it out , he loses. He is risking and gambling with other peoples money. He makes promises that they will make millions. He tells everyone he speaks to Mekubalim and they all guaranteed this.
   Its pathetic. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 02, 2014, 04:04:22 PM
I believe that he put together the money from a group of people  and is getting a big  fee from the profits. He was in a win-win. Thats why he is telling them all they better keep their money in. If they take it out , he loses. He is risking and gambling with other peoples money. He makes promises that they will make millions. He tells everyone he speaks to Mekubalim and they all guaranteed this.
   Its pathetic.
He probably did not get a cut even If he was promised one
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 02, 2014, 04:11:51 PM
 There is no cut as no one made money. A cut of nothing is nothing.
   He is still dreaming this deal will take off and will get the big payouts then. That is why he is telling all his group that they better not chargeback and must keep the money in. He said that he got Brachas recently that this deal will be successful. He is only thinking about himself. As they like to say, " we are almost there!"
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2014, 04:37:27 PM
The whole point of a pyramid is for those at the top to rob the suckers on the bottom.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: NYHeel on October 02, 2014, 07:10:45 PM
Maybe I'm a different kind of person/Jew but when did Judaism become Voodoo that Brachos from Mekubalim/Rebbeim guarantee the success of a business deal. I'm not just referring to this scam but even to a legitimate business venture. Sure, I think a Bracha can help, though we never really know. But to imply any kind of guarantee or even to take the bracha into account at all when making a business decision is absurd.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sky121 on October 02, 2014, 07:15:03 PM
Maybe I'm a different kind of person/Jew but when did Judaism become Voodoo that Brachos from Mekubalim/Rebbeim guarantee the success of a business deal. I'm not just referring to this scam but even to a legitimate business venture. Sure, I think a Bracha can help, though we never really know. But to imply any kind of guarantee or even to take the bracha into account at all when making a business decision is absurd.
I wouldn't call it voodoo. I just don't think we have those kind of Rebbes in the world today where I would follow blindly on such advice.
That being said, people confuse a bracha as a guarantee and it's not. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 02, 2014, 07:29:33 PM
Maybe I'm a different kind of person/Jew but when did Judaism become Voodoo that Brachos from Mekubalim/Rebbeim guarantee the success of a business deal. I'm not just referring to this scam but even to a legitimate business venture. Sure, I think a Bracha can help, though we never really know. But to imply any kind of guarantee or even to take the bracha into account at all when making a business decision is absurd.
Crazy concept, I believe Its called emunas chachomim and it had nothing to do with voodoo.
The issue is emunas wrong chachomim
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 02, 2014, 07:30:51 PM
Crazy concept, I believe Its called emunas chachomim and it had nothing to do with voodoo.
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 02, 2014, 07:34:24 PM
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?
It includes what brand of toothpaste to use
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on October 02, 2014, 07:51:57 PM
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?

It includes what brand of toothpaste to use
Sounds like ברשות הרב vs בסיעת הרב
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 02, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
It includes what brand of toothpaste to use
Which one?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on October 02, 2014, 08:33:33 PM

Which one?

Adwe.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on October 03, 2014, 01:38:53 AM
I just asked my rabbi about a buissness venture and wheter Ill make more money doing A or B.
He helped me work out the pros and cons of each but also said: "I cant tell you whether A or B would make more money, you would need a ‎נביא‎ for that"
So yes, ‎הנוטל עצה מן החכמים לא נכשל‎ but its just an eitza, no mekubal or another can PROMISE a deal will work out.
And one last quostion: How come this magic mekubel dosent win the lotory?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 03, 2014, 07:49:36 AM
The whole point of a pyramid is for those at the top to rob the suckers on the bottom.
The problem with these scams is they give pyramids a bad name. Pyramids are all about salesmanship. If you do your part of the selling you get your money.  ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on October 03, 2014, 09:58:18 AM
I just asked my rabbi about a buissness venture and wheter Ill make more money doing A or B.
He helped me work out the pros and cons of each but also said: "I cant tell you whether A or B would make more money, you would need a ‎נביא‎ for that"
So yes, ‎הנוטל עצה מן החכמים לא נכשל‎ but its just an eitza, no mekubal or another can PROMISE a deal will work out.
And one last quostion: How come this magic mekubel dosent win the lotory?
Maybe that's how some of these Mekuballim are so rich...

Either way, my great uncle asked a Rebbe - shortly after the mega-millions started - why he can't just give him the lottery numbers, his response was "I don't need to give you the numbers, Hashem will make the numbers come out to the ones you choose."
He bought a lottery ticket and won!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on October 03, 2014, 09:59:47 AM
Maybe that's how some of these Mekuballim are so rich...

Either way, my great uncle asked a Rebbe - shortly after the mega-millions started - why he can't just give him the lottery numbers, his response was "I don't need to give you the numbers, Hashem will make the numbers come out to the ones you choose."
He bought a lottery ticket and won!
Is that rebbe still alive by any chance ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on October 03, 2014, 10:03:26 AM
Is that rebbe still alive by any chance ?
Nope. It's been quite a few years... but Hashem is!  :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on October 03, 2014, 11:00:38 AM
Maybe that's how some of these Mekuballim are so rich...

Either way, my great uncle asked a Rebbe - shortly after the mega-millions started - why he can't just give him the lottery numbers, his response was "I don't need to give you the numbers, Hashem will make the numbers come out to the ones you choose."
He bought a lottery ticket and won!
How much?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 03, 2014, 11:03:52 AM
  This Sungame scam is horrible. The leaders keep encouraging others to give more and put in more money. It would be helpful if they would just go to the authorities at this point or at least just walk away. Encouraging people to give more at this time is horrible.
   None of the leaders can even give a straight answer at this point from where the money, prize money and gift money  (they have many different names for their profits )will come from. The deal cannot be explained at all at this time. They made everyone believe that this tablet was the first on the market , there company will go public, be bought by google and facebook and they will all make millions. Nothing has happened. However, they keep trying to raise more money and hurt people more.
  I know many families have been broken because if this ...... So many frum families and yeshivas and mosdos lost lots money with this. The top people should look in the mirror and realize what they have done. Empty promises. Empty guarantees. I know that some top leaders took  finders fee money , 10%, off the top. You should all be ashemed. The leaders should stop encouraging and pushing this deal- it will end up bad- i hope that no one ends up in jail. I do not want to see another Rebbi or Rov on the front page of the papers.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on October 03, 2014, 11:08:45 AM
  This Sungame scam is horrible. The leaders keep encouraging others to give more and put in more money. It would be helpful if they would just go to the authorities at this point or at least just walk away. Encouraging people to give more at this time is horrible.
   None of the leaders can even give a straight answer at this point from where the money, prize money and gift money  (they have many different names for their profits )will come from. The deal cannot be explained at all at this time. They made everyone believe that this tablet was the first on the market , there company will go public, be bought by google and facebook and they will all make millions. Nothing has happened. However, they keep trying to raise more money and hurt people more.
  I know many families have been broken because if this ...... So many frum families and yeshivas and mosdos lost lots money with this. The top people should look in the mirror and realize what they have done. Empty promises. Empty guarantees. I know that some top leaders took  finders fee money , 10%, off the top. You should all be ashemed. The leaders should stop encouraging and pushing this deal- it will end up bad- i hope that no one ends up in jail. I do not want to see another Rebbi or Rov on the front page of the papers.
And with all that people are afraid to come forward anonymously on here and name and shame the perps so that they can never do this again?  People who have been harmed need to speak up and warn others not to ever fall for something like this again....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2014, 11:35:01 AM
And with all that people are afraid to come forward anonymously on here and name and shame the perps so that they can never do this again?  People who have been harmed need to speak up and warn others not to ever fall for something like this again....
They've been told if they come forward they will be held responsible for the deal falling through ::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on October 03, 2014, 11:42:50 AM
They've been told if they come forward they will be held responsible for the deal falling through ::)
Ahah! So they know that it will fall through, but are looking to point a finger... #MadoffAlert
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 06, 2014, 09:27:06 AM
 I hear that a few people are very close to giving names.... i heard one of them is a "Rov" of a shteeble and involved in big organization in monsey.
   I hope people speak up.
 I have heard that they are still trying to raise more money and the top leaders are taking money off the top. They dont stop.
 The only way to stop this is to name names and not be afraid.
     The chutzpah they have to raise more money at this time is mind blowing.
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on October 06, 2014, 10:41:04 AM
why are people scared to name names?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Saver2000 on October 06, 2014, 10:42:40 AM
why are people scared to name names?
They've been told if they come forward they will be held responsible for the deal falling through ::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 06, 2014, 10:51:50 AM
 There are a few Rabbonim involved and people are afraid to get involved. One of them abuses his powers as a leader of an organization and people are afraid to start with him. He owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and screwed many people .His Organization covers up for him  because he has been involved for a while and knows how to play the game. Its a shame.  There are a few Rebbeim involved as well.
    The issue is , they keep people from going after them , because they convince everyone that they will have to live with this their whole life if deal falls apart. They make everyone feel guilty and made to believe that they will burn in hell if they pull out or mention anything.
  They keep trying to raise more money. One of these Rabbonim have made nice money already from taking money off the top when he receives it. He gets 10% of money raised so he does not care if this deal goes or does not go- he made his money and keeps raising more. Scam artist!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: EMCC on October 06, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
There are a few Rabbonim involved and people are afraid to get involved. One of them abuses his powers as a leader of an organization and people are afraid to start with him. He owes hundreds of thousands of dollars to people and screwed many people .His Organization covers up for him  because he has been involved for a while and knows how to play the game. Its a shame.  There are a few Rebbeim involved as well.
    The issue is , they keep people from going after them , because they convince everyone that they will have to live with this their whole life if deal falls apart. They make everyone feel guilty and made to believe that they will burn in hell if they pull out or mention anything.
  They keep trying to raise more money. One of these Rabbonim have made nice money already from taking money off the top when he receives it. He gets 10% of money raised so he does not care if this deal goes or does not go- he made his money and keeps raising more. Scam artist!
Can we please stop calling these people "Rabbonim"?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 11:00:05 AM
So did everyone tell the auditor that they did this without any intention of making a profit as they were instructed to do?

Do they think the auditor has a pea for a brain?

The real question is who will be the first to turn this over to the SEC/FBI?
Then we can start a thread to raise money for the families. Though at least others won't be suckered and ruin their lives as well.

For shame.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 06, 2014, 11:09:24 AM
  Its amazing the stuff they put in the emails..... they think all the investors are stupid. That being said, this has been going on so long that i believe these investors have to be stupid.
    They are now in Panama waiting for the approvals of the syndicates who will then be flying to DC to got the proper approval of the signators. Money will be in bank by the end of today or yesterday or last month...just keep waiting. We are almost there!!
   You know what , keep giving more!! Stupid people.
 If a ROV promised you returns and keeps pushing for more and use mekubalim as guarantees ..... He is not a real ROV and has done this before. He is just lining his own pockets. The leaders want you in for themselves and their own personal gain- they could not care less about you!
   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 11:18:28 AM
So did everyone tell the auditor that they did this without any intention of making a profit as they were instructed to do?

Do they think the auditor has a pea for a brain?

The real question is who will be the first to turn this over to the SEC/FBI?
Then we can start a thread to raise money for the families. Though at least others won't be suckered and ruin their lives as well.

For shame.
+1000000
Although, it sounds like it's gonna be tough to raise enough money. People went in big (I know a grade school rebbe who is in almost 6 figures. nebach)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?

And if he does why doesn't he speak to a real adviser instead of these folks...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 06, 2014, 11:41:42 AM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?

And if he does why doesn't he speak to a real adviser instead of these folks...
By maxing his credit cards?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mercaz1 on October 06, 2014, 11:42:54 AM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?

And if he does why doesn't he speak to a real adviser instead of these folks...

+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on October 06, 2014, 12:00:03 PM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?

And if he does why doesn't he speak to a real adviser instead of these folks...

Maybe he scammed it out of people in a former scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 12:32:17 PM
By maxing his credit cards?
Bingo (although, not all of it was "his," he got his whole family in on it)

Last I spoke to him he was making the minimum payments on all his accounts
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 12:33:06 PM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?

And if he does why doesn't he speak to a real adviser instead of these folks...
Can we stop using the word invest? it's an insult to any real investments.

He claims he did (???) (probably just spoke to their fancy lawyuhs)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on October 06, 2014, 12:40:45 PM
Can we stop using the word invest? it's an insult to any real investments.

He claims he did (???) (probably just spoke to their fancy lawyuhs)

Maybe you don't know the truth about "real investments"...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on October 06, 2014, 12:50:45 PM
And if he does why doesn't he speak to a real adviser instead of these folks...
Because a scammer promises 100 times more back than a real advisor.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 06, 2014, 01:21:24 PM
 They actually promised a 250% return! ...and people believed it!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on October 06, 2014, 02:10:54 PM
is the person you referring to someone that is involved with an organization that helps the poor? ...how ironic that would be, someone that helps the poor is leading the scam to make people poor!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ygold on October 06, 2014, 02:20:26 PM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?

is the person you referring to someone that is involved with an organization that helps the poor? ...how ironic that would be, someone that helps the poor is leading the scam to make people poor!

Reminds me of this...

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on October 06, 2014, 02:36:01 PM
Ygold:

Listen, you obviously have no skin in the game, no family member who has lost so much. It's because of people like you that scams such as this continue.
Can you at least admit that from reading all these pages that this is a genuine scam that is currently going on? Should we not prevent others from falling in? Especially since they have the unmitigated audacity to still ask people for more money!!!!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 02:54:10 PM
Reminds me of this...


Heh.
Same video a certain SG ringleader sent me as proof that this thread needs moderating.

I have mercy on many people, but not on people who facilitate such evil.  I'll delete this thread when the ringleaders come clean and beg for forgiveness in public.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on October 06, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
Heh.
Same video a certain SG ringleader sent me as proof that this thread needs moderating.

I have mercy on many people, but not on people who facilitate such evil.  I'll delete this thread when the ringleaders come clean and beg for forgiveness in public.
Why don't you expose the ringleader?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 06, 2014, 05:12:53 PM
Then we can start a thread to raise money for the families. Though at least others won't be suckered and ruin their lives as well.
I know you have a lot on your plate but if you took the lead I am sure it would be a success. I know at least one past member that would give.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Chaikel on October 06, 2014, 06:14:36 PM
Emunas chachomim includes what stock to invest in? Source?
It's a posuk

Reminds me of this...


I think the videos of ISIS beheadings would be a closer description of what's going on
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 07:19:01 PM
It's a posuk
Which one? Lo sasur?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: moko on October 13, 2014, 08:57:20 PM
How does a grade school rebbe even have $100K to invest?
by living frugally.  Maybe he follows the advice of the hated Dave Ramsey,  though if he did he would have never gotten suckered into such a scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 13, 2014, 09:22:34 PM
by living frugally.  Maybe he follows the advice of the hated Dave Ramsey,  though if he did he would have never gotten suckered into such a scam
Maybe you missed the actual answer to this question?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on October 19, 2014, 08:52:33 PM
Any financial types want to help me parse this?  http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10210566-14227-18903&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0001117768-14-000740&nav=1&src=Yahoo
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10210566-19801-23438&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0001117768-14-000740&nav=1&src=Yahoo
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10210566-30099-61853&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0001117768-14-000740&nav=1&src=Yahoo

Looks like assets of $2.5 mil and liabilities of $8.9 mil. And there is no product. "It's almost at the end," indeed.

Trouble? You don't say:
Quote
3.           Going Concern Uncertainty and Managements’ Plans
In the Company’s audited financial statements for the fiscal year ended December 31, 2013, the Report of the Independent Registered Public Accounting Firm includes an explanatory paragraph that describes substantial doubt about the Company’s ability to continue as a going concern.  The Company’s financial statements for the six months ended June 30, 2014 have been prepared on a going concern basis, which contemplates the realization of assets and the settlement of liabilities and commitments in the normal course of business.  The Company reported a net loss of $3,595,848 and $531,139 for the six months ended June 30, 2014 and 2013, respectively, and an accumulated deficit of $6,717,534 as of June 30, 2014. As of December 31, 2013 the accumulated deficit was $3,121,686. At June 30, 2014, the Company’s total current liabilities exceed total current assets by $6,777,261.  At December 31, 2013 this amount was $2,966,851.

And Chandran and Robert are paid as contractors, presumably to protect their take when it all falls down.

Quote
4.            Related Party Transactions
Two former principals of Freevi Corporation and shareholders of the Company have consulting agreements with the Company. Guy Robert, the Company’s Chief Development Officer, entered into an independent contractor agreement with the Company on September 23, 2011 for three years at an annual payment of $120,000 which is paid to Adversor, a company 49% owned by Guy Robert. Neil Chandran, the Company’s Chief Executive Officer provides monthly consulting services to the Company and was paid $260,454 and $109,747 for the six months ended June 30, 2014 and 2013, respectively.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on October 19, 2014, 09:44:07 PM
Any financial types want to help me parse this?  http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10210566-14227-18903&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0001117768-14-000740&nav=1&src=Yahoo
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10210566-19801-23438&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0001117768-14-000740&nav=1&src=Yahoo
http://yahoo.brand.edgar-online.com/displayfilinginfo.aspx?FilingID=10210566-30099-61853&type=sect&TabIndex=2&dcn=0001117768-14-000740&nav=1&src=Yahoo

Looks like assets of $2.5 mil and liabilities of $8.9 mil. And there is no product. "It's almost at the end," indeed.

Trouble? You don't say:
And Chandran and Robert are paid as contractors, presumably to protect their take when it all falls down.
Quote
6.            Rebates Liability

During the year ended December 31, 2013, the Company entered into a Master Distribution Agreement for its 3D tablets.  This Master Distributor incentivized many potential resellers with the promise of a 3D tablet for each $1,000 advanced to the Company, an additional rebate for this same advanced amount to the Company, and a few potential resellers were also promised $500 educational grants. The Company has incurred a rebates liability of $7,481,559 and $1,875,253 at June 30, 2014 and December 31, 2013, respectively, and an educational grant liability of $55,000 at June 30, 2014.  The Company has used $975,550 and $416,000 at June 30, 2014 and December 31, 2013, respectively, of the tablet advances to prepay tablet production with an Asian manufacturer to be delivered later in 2014. The promotional 3D tablet, rebate, and educational grants are the subject of an internal accounting review, the results of which will lead to material restatements of the annual report for 2013, and the first and second quarterly reports of 2014.
This sort of lays out what has been known publicly but was supposed to be kept under wraps...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 20, 2014, 12:41:41 PM
 I just don't understand how the investors are not furious. Shimi W promised that he went to Paris with his wife ( paid vacation) and saw all the business with his own eyes!! He pocketed big money already from the investors as he took money off the top- then he disappeared. Rabbi M raised around a million dollars and  took a cut off the top as well and had the chutzpah to ask people for all their money. How can you call yourself a Rabbi and run an organization that helps the poor when you are making them poor!! You are all  leaders of a scam and should be run out of town!
 "Local Chaver" is trying to help and he keeps getting knocked. He is on your side!
   When are the investors going to take a stand and not be afraid to speak out.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 20, 2014, 01:12:44 PM
I just don't understand how the investors are not furious. Shimi W promised that he went to Paris with his wife ( paid vacation) and saw all the business with his own eyes!! He pocketed big money already from the investors as he took money off the top- then he disappeared. Rabbi M raised around a million dollars and  took a cut off the top as well and had the chutzpah to ask people for all their money. How can you call yourself a Rabbi and run an organization that helps the poor when you are making them poor!! You are all  leaders of a scam and should be run out of town!
 "Local Chaver" is trying to help and he keeps getting knocked. He is on your side!
   When are the investors going to take a stand and not be afraid to speak out.
While I agree with you, look at it from the perspective of the "investors" (I use the term liberally). What do they gain at this point from speaking out. There money is tied up. What are they going to accomplish for themselves?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 20, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
 That is how they are getting away with the scam ....
If anyone charges back or speaks out- it will be their fault!  They are using your logic to get away with this scam.
   
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 20, 2014, 01:54:19 PM
That is how they are getting away with the scam ....
If anyone charges back or speaks out- it will be their fault!  They are using your logic to get away with this scam.
   
 
Agreed, but what does the investor gain from doing the chargeback today as opposed to in two months when the whole thing falls apart on it's own?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 20, 2014, 01:59:35 PM
Chargebacks are less effective the further out they are.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ybeeds on October 20, 2014, 02:04:23 PM
Agreed, but what does the investor gain from doing the chargeback today as opposed to in two months when the whole thing falls apart on it's own?
...and, for those who are paying interest on their CC bills, and/or are hurting their credit score.... should end it sooner.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on October 20, 2014, 02:35:49 PM
Chargebacks are less effective the further out they are.
Is there a difference between 12 and 14 months?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 20, 2014, 03:35:52 PM
 I just find it sick and disgusting that they are still raising money. The leaders raise money, keep 10% as brokers, and move on. They have nothing to lose! ... keep raising money and screw everyone else. I know leaders that already earned tens of thousands as a broker! They have nothing to lose by continuing to raise more money.
   It all comes around....maybe today...maybe tomorrow.... but it all comes around. The leaders will have lots of explaining to do. They cannot play dumb. There are  too many written emails and recorded calls out there. They will have to answer to the authorities.
  When all the names get out, many yeshivas will have a lot to explain. Tzedaka organizations will be questioned for good reason. All the leaders will be held responsible.
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 20, 2014, 03:39:49 PM
Or nobody will talk as they'll be threatened if they do.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 20, 2014, 03:51:52 PM
 Everyone is afraid at this time. I think once they come to the realization that the money is lost and gone forever, there will be some real upset people out there and that is when names and organizations will all come out. Especially organizations and yeshivas which collect money and people are giving them money as tzedaka and they are losing it and flushing down the toilet. All in time i guess.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on October 20, 2014, 04:04:54 PM
Everyone is afraid at this time. I think once they come to the realization that the money is lost and gone forever, there will be some real upset people out there and that is when names and organizations will all come out. Especially organizations and yeshivas which collect money and people are giving them money as tzedaka and they are losing it and flushing down the toilet. All in time i guess.
Nu, start name dropping so ppl don't think they can get away with this each time.
Custodians of hekdesh money can't play around.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on October 20, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
I'm so surprised that this "Rov" M hasn't been thrown out of the tzedaka organization and his shul for conning naive people into giving him their money for his own personal benefit. And this is not his first time to the rodeo...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on October 21, 2014, 10:09:26 AM
I know someone that lost money and shimi W and Rabbi M lied and scammed them. I know that they got money already.
 I do not understand how Rabbi M can be involved in running a tzedaka organization when he cant be trusted and a liar and known thief!
All ganovim!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 27, 2014, 12:17:50 PM
So Shimi W has disappeared after he made some money. Now the new big shot is Shragie G. No one has made a cent yet -except for the top leaders who take their commission from monies raised. Yet , they still keep asking for more money and threaten those that want to chargeback. Interesting.
   Today story will probably go like this, Neil is in Asia meeting with Facebook and working out a deal with Samsung which will take place in London. The monies , after the big deal goes through will be dispersed to all your accounts. However, to make this all happen, we need another 120K! ... Lets go for it!"
  As long as we all remember-  " We are almost there!"
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on October 27, 2014, 10:36:17 PM
So Shimi W has disappeared after he made some money. Now the new big shot is Shragie G. No one has made a cent yet -except for the top leaders who take their commission from monies raised. Yet , they still keep asking for more money and threaten those that want to chargeback. Interesting.
   Today story will probably go like this, Neil is in Asia meeting with Facebook and working out a deal with Samsung which will take place in London. The monies , after the big deal goes through will be dispersed to all your accounts. However, to make this all happen, we need another 120K! ... Lets go for it!"
  As long as we all remember-  " We are almost there!"
We don't care anymore about these stupid updates if you have any real news please post it otherwise we are not interested.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 28, 2014, 02:41:13 AM
We don't care anymore about these stupid updates if you have any real news please post it otherwise we are not interested.
Who is "WE"?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on October 28, 2014, 04:11:45 AM
Who is "WE"?
+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moishebatchy on October 28, 2014, 04:56:02 AM
Who is "WE"?

I'm kinda with him on this one. Citing first names and only an initial for the last name is not called  "real news". And the jokes where Abe proposes Neal's "itinerary" were cute at first, but are now getting tiresome and repetitive.

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on October 28, 2014, 06:59:14 AM
And this is coming from people who have no skin in the game!  Helps you see how frustrating the excuses are to the people that dumped money into it!

IIRC upthread people were expressing interest in seeing the emails that are being sent out, as well as begging for A) More info B) Someone to speak out against it.   Seems like Abe is doing just that.....     Quieting him sounds like a win for the scammers....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yakov116 on October 28, 2014, 09:26:48 AM
I'm kinda with him on this one. Citing first names and only an initial for the last name is not called  "real news". And the jokes where Abe proposes Neal's "itinerary" were cute at first, but are now getting tiresome and repetitive.

Sorry if I sound a bit harsh.
+1

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 28, 2014, 09:27:23 AM
 The scammers, i know, read this thread daily. They are so panicked that all this info kees getting out. I have been privately messaged and warned to keep quiet- because they are scared. The people who are involved in the deal and those who need to know, know who Rabbi M , Avi W, Shimi W, Sharagie G and Mrs B (the one that called Dan) are. No need to spell out their entire name ...at this point. However, if they continue to raise more money for this scam- Their names will get out by almost all the investors. The investors are scared at this time to say anything . They are afraid, as they have been warned , if they say anything or chargeback that the deal will fall apart and it will be there fault. I wish that more people and investors would speak out.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on October 28, 2014, 10:05:42 AM
Real names or nothing.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 28, 2014, 10:08:26 AM
Real names or nothing.
For what purpose, what can you do to help the situation? This thread is meant as a PSA and it can be accomplished like this.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 28, 2014, 10:12:41 AM
The people who are involved in the deal and those who need to know, know who Rabbi M , Avi W, Shimi W, Sharagie G and Mrs B (the one that called Dan) are. No need to spell out their entire name ...at this point.
Then post the real complete names. If you don't want to do it anyone PM me the names and I will post them. Time to put up or shut up!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 28, 2014, 10:20:00 AM
Then post the real complete names. If you don't want to do it anyone PM me the names and I will post them. Time to put up or shut up!
No point. Nothing productive will come from it on this forum
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: mercaz1 on October 28, 2014, 10:52:55 AM
if you post the real names then these people cant scam anyone else with a new scam or with this scam again
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: california on October 28, 2014, 10:55:20 AM
if you post the real names then these people cant scam anyone else with a new scam or with this scam again
The people over here knows what to do even if u dont put real names, and people that aren't on DDF wouldn't know even if there is real names, so I think no point
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 28, 2014, 10:55:58 AM
Nothing productive will come from it on this forum
One way to find out.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 28, 2014, 11:03:49 AM
The people over here knows what to do even if u dont put real names, and people that aren't on DDF wouldn't know even if there is real names, so I think no point
many people do a quick google search before making an investment. (duh!)
If their names are online associated with a scam it might help.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: gozalim on October 28, 2014, 11:24:22 AM
And this is coming from people who have no skin in the game!  Helps you see how frustrating the excuses are to the people that dumped money into it!

IIRC upthread people were expressing interest in seeing the emails that are being sent out, as well as begging for A) More info B) Someone to speak out against it.   Seems like Abe is doing just that.....     Quieting him sounds like a win for the scammers....

that's true for the actual updates. The parts he invented as a joke are getting old...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: YankyDoodle on October 28, 2014, 04:35:25 PM
Real names or nothing.
NOIDH
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on October 29, 2014, 10:29:11 AM
Down to $2/share. We are almost there.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on October 29, 2014, 11:43:06 AM
that's true for the actual updates. The parts he invented as a joke are getting old...
Actually that's exactly what the phone calls are about.
Can't make this stuff up.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: gozalim on October 29, 2014, 01:11:38 PM
Actually that's exactly what the phone calls are about.
Can't make this stuff up.
so long as he's quoting actual calls
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on October 30, 2014, 02:02:05 AM
The people over here knows what to do even if u dont put real names, and people that aren't on DDF wouldn't know even if there is real names, so I think no point
But if ppl google their names in the future when they're reseaching doing biz with them, then they'll come across this thread and that would stop them.
So there is a good point to list their names.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: milesaver on October 30, 2014, 10:13:56 AM
googling the names didnt help many people who made this investment. I personally know of more than 5 people who knew going into this scam that the people involved had bad reviews on previous scams.Just the nature of people, when they are promised riches, and initially they had nothing to lose(i:e disputing the cc charges) they will buy in. aka madof....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 30, 2014, 10:17:14 AM
googling the names didnt help many people who made this investment. I personally know of more than 5 people who knew going into this scam that the people involved had bad reviews on previous scams.Just the nature of people, when they are promised riches, and initially they had nothing to lose(i:e disputing the cc charges) they will buy in. aka madof....
Madoff didn't have bad reviews...
Knowing someone is a scammer and still investing with him falls under the category of שוטה אסור לרחם עליו IMHO
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: milesaver on October 30, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
I agree. However in madoffs case , people intentionally turned a blind eye.its called "shochad". All im saying is giving names out doesnt help. Even people from the most respectable institutions in Monsey were in this deal. And they knew that they were scammers. The smart ones got out (disputed cc charges) or never went in at all.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 30, 2014, 10:56:46 AM
Something I don't understand is why disputing cc charges by a failed investment helps? The purchase isn't a mistake or misleading, its an investment that can go sour just like any legitment investment.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: milesaver on October 30, 2014, 10:59:37 AM
They were promised an initial rebate and a tablet and an educational grant. If they didn't receive any of those, there is room for a dispute. Must places received these promises in writing
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on October 30, 2014, 02:03:59 PM
They were promised an initial rebate and a tablet and an educational grant. If they didn't receive any of those, there is room for a dispute. Must places received these promises in writing

Suppose we agree you will buy bonds issued by my compamy and I promise you will receive your money plus 10% per year. Then I go bankrupt. Can you do a chargeback on your cc?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: milesaver on October 30, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
No. They weren't offering bonds or an investment in their company. As I said before it was a rebate and an educational grant both were guaranteed. And the sale of the tablets were contingent on those clauses.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on October 30, 2014, 04:57:48 PM
Suppose we agree you will buy bonds issued by my compamy and I promise you will receive your money plus 10% per year. Then I go bankrupt. Can you do a chargeback on your cc?

I don't think so. If you received actual bonds (not fake ones), then the "merchandise" was provided as described, regardless if they later become worthless because of the bankruptcy. If they were proper bonds with an actual contract that promises certain returns, you can register as a creditor for the bankruptcy proceeding. You will get priority over investors. However, it's not likely that you'll recover very much.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 30, 2014, 05:02:03 PM
Suppose we agree you will buy bonds issued by my compamy and I promise you will receive your money plus 10% per year. Then I go bankrupt. Can you do a chargeback on your cc?
Isn't there regulations about buying securities with a CC is not allowed?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 30, 2014, 10:15:25 PM
Isn't there regulations about buying securities with a CC is not allowed?
I don't think so.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: J-Man on October 31, 2014, 08:49:57 AM
I feel the need to add my comments too. I have made a bankdeposit of $ 6.000 on 14-02-2014. I received my 3D tablet in the last week of june and got my
money back in full last week. I am now waiting to see what the gift will be. My leader tells me it is coming anyday now. But at least i am already breakeven in cash and have a nice tablet as interest for lending my money for 8 months...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on October 31, 2014, 08:59:54 AM
I feel the need to add my comments too. I have made a bankdeposit of $ 6.000 on 14-02-2014. I received my 3D tablet in the last week of june and got my
money back in full last week. I am now waiting to see what the gift will be. My leader tells me it is coming anyday now. But at least i am already breakeven in cash and have a nice tablet as interest for lending my money for 8 months...
Your full of crap
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: coralsnake on October 31, 2014, 09:18:38 AM
Your full of crap
+1

That's what my leader tells me.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on October 31, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Your full of crap
Darn, & here I thought the tides were finally turning.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bermo on October 31, 2014, 09:31:23 AM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: HowYaDoin on October 31, 2014, 09:32:58 AM
+1

That's what my leader tells me.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 31, 2014, 10:05:28 AM
+1

That's what my leader tells me.
All hail the supreme leader...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: J-Man on October 31, 2014, 10:31:53 AM
But I must say it looks a whole lot easier since I got the refund. As I read back a lot of you have not gotten their participation
amount back yet. I hope for all of you that this deal is not just for the group that started in the second week of februari. As far
as I know the deal was only active for our group in that week and has not been offered again to us. I asked to increase in april
and was not allowed too...
I hope it not a pyramid were all those who started after our group are paying for our group. I have not reffered other to this deal
as it was very unclear what it was from the start. The next update from my leader is expected within the next day.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on October 31, 2014, 10:32:40 AM
I feel the need to add my comments too. I have made a bankdeposit of $ 6.000 on 14-02-2014. I received my 3D tablet in the last week of june and got my
money back in full last week. I am now waiting to see what the gift will be. My leader tells me it is coming anyday now. But at least i am already breakeven in cash and have a nice tablet as interest for lending my money for 8 months...
But I must say it looks a whole lot easier since I got the refund. As I read back a lot of you have not gotten their participation
amount back yet. I hope for all of you that this deal is not just for the group that started in the second week of februari. As far
as I know the deal was only active for our group in that week and has not been offered again to us. I asked to increase in april
and was not allowed too...
I hope it not a pyramid were all those who started after our group are paying for our group. I have not reffered other to this deal
as it was very unclear what it was from the start. The next update from my leader is expected within the next day.
you can now stop taking innocent and hard earned money from people.  "sof ganev l'tliya"

although i dont have money invested and i dont even know personally anyone that did, every time this thread comes up i get angry all over again, this is so ridiculous.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 31, 2014, 10:35:49 AM
But I must say it looks a whole lot easier since I got the refund. As I read back a lot of you have not gotten their participation
amount back yet. I hope for all of you that this deal is not just for the group that started in the second week of februari. As far
as I know the deal was only active for our group in that week and has not been offered again to us. I asked to increase in april
and was not allowed too...
I hope it not a pyramid were all those who started after our group are paying for our group. I have not reffered other to this deal
as it was very unclear what it was from the start. The next update from my leader is expected within the next day.
Just follow your leader. Always ask your leader, he knows whats best for you and will make you rich.
You are doing great!

#moron is an illiterate fool
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: milesaver on October 31, 2014, 11:35:13 AM
The deal wasnt only offered to your group. It seems odd, that you only received your rebate now, if you " invested" in february. The scammers were the rebate right away and the grant later, all the way until april.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 31, 2014, 11:36:12 AM
But I must say it looks a whole lot easier since I got the refund. As I read back a lot of you have not gotten their participation
amount back yet. I hope for all of you that this deal is not just for the group that started in the second week of februari. As far
as I know the deal was only active for our group in that week and has not been offered again to us. I asked to increase in april
and was not allowed too...
I hope it not a pyramid were all those who started after our group are paying for our group. I have not reffered other to this deal
as it was very unclear what it was from the start. The next update from my leader is expected within the next day.
Is it to late for me to get in? I would like to meet your leader.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Redbull3 on October 31, 2014, 11:37:35 AM
Take me to your leader.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 31, 2014, 11:41:35 AM
Better yet, bring your leader to US :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 31, 2014, 11:46:16 AM
Can we knock off the jokes. I am trying to get in on this.  >:(
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 31, 2014, 11:48:06 AM
I am trying to get in on this.  >:(
Can we knock off the jokes.
:P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on October 31, 2014, 11:51:12 AM
Do you get to see "the leader" our does he speak from behind a screen
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: J-Man on October 31, 2014, 12:03:42 PM
I talk to my leader through skype, phone or email, but the updates are always on email.
As far as I know the deal closed on 29 july and has been waiting SEC approval since that day.
So i dont think you can join anymore...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 31, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
I talk to my leader through skype, phone or email, but the updates are always on email.
As far as I know the deal closed on 29 july and has been waiting SEC approval since that day.
So i dont think you can join anymore...
Can you please check for me. It would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: milesaver on October 31, 2014, 12:15:52 PM
That's not true.maybe " your leader" is not that connected to the "caliph". I can still get in
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on October 31, 2014, 12:18:28 PM
+1 they still need 125K
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on October 31, 2014, 12:36:00 PM
I talk to my leader through skype, phone or email, but the updates are always on email.
As far as I know the deal closed on 29 july and has been waiting SEC approval since that day.
So i dont think you can join anymore...
>:( how sad. i really had 100k in credit cards that i wanted to give you in exchange for an imaginary tablet and to be a part of this scam...  oh well, next time give me prior notice
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 31, 2014, 12:44:45 PM
>:( how sad. i really had 100k in credit cards that i wanted to give you in exchange for an imaginary tablet and to be a part of this scam...  oh well, next time give me prior notice
I've just been promoted to leader!
If you send me a 100k by the end of the day YOU ARE IN!

But hurry cuz November 1 is the the end of the fourth quarter, and per the special SEC rules, there is a mandatory capital "lock up" period to make sure that this insane investment doesn't overheat the market which would increase the price of oil...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on October 31, 2014, 12:46:28 PM
I talk to my leader through skype, phone or email, but the updates are always on email.
As far as I know the deal closed on 29 july and has been waiting SEC approval since that day.
So i dont think you can join anymore...

have you seen this? if i were an "investor" like you i would be pretty nervous. what do you say?

Down to $2/share. We are almost there.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on October 31, 2014, 12:59:31 PM
 The leaders are the ones that are promoting and constantly pushing and asking for more money. They keep making false promises. The investors have no clue where the money will be coming from and have no real idea what this deal is all about. Ask anyone of them. They do not know anything. They invested all their money based on promises from "supposedly" respected people. These people abused their power and will eventually take a fall. All in do time.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on October 31, 2014, 02:32:32 PM
Do you get to see "the leader" our does he speak from behind a screen


I talk to my leader through skype, phone or email, but the updates are always on email.
As far as I know the deal closed on 29 july and has been waiting SEC approval since that day.


Rotfl
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Just_a_thought on November 04, 2014, 05:15:50 PM
  I know someone caught in all of this. He was hoping that this deal can help him out of some debt and help him put money away for a wedding. He blew it. He regrets it. However, he is being made to feel guilty for charging back now. He has no money for Yom Tov. zero. And he told me that he is going to feel horrible if he pulls money out now. The leaders of the deal promised that mikubalim and rabbonim PROMISED that it will all end up well. And he feels he is going kneged Torah if he pulls his money out. There are sick people involved in running this deal. Manipulators. These leaders who are using Mikubalim and Rabbonim to put the fear into people- you are going to have to give din v"chesbon one day!! Horrible selfish people. He was promised money by April!! We are talking about 6 months later now and of course the " We are almost there!" line pops up. As always. He was told by a known Rebba in Monsey, who has his money and lot of money of others in the deal, that the last thing anyone should do now is pull out. It will ruin it for everyone. Make people feel guilty for taking out their money. Make people feel that Mekubalim and rabbonim are promising. Sick people.

I was involved in this BS for a nice amount of money. They kept on kicking the can down the road. I have since then done a chargeback on the total amount. It's no big deal to do it. (FYI CITI has a 90 day chargeback policy) Don't feel guilty.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 04, 2014, 05:18:35 PM
I was involved in this BS for a nice amount of money. They kept on kicking the can down the road. I have since then done a chargeback on the total amount. It's no big deal to do it. (FYI CITI has a 90 day chargeback policy) Don't feel guilty.
So it's your fault that:
Down to $2/share. We are almost there.
:P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Just_a_thought on November 04, 2014, 05:20:09 PM
LOL!!! Its all on my shoulders.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on November 04, 2014, 05:20:49 PM
I was involved in this BS for a nice amount of money. They kept on kicking the can down the road. I have since then done a chargeback on the total amount. It's no big deal to do it. (FYI CITI has a 90 day chargeback policy) Don't feel guilty.
It was still within 90 days when you did it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Just_a_thought on November 04, 2014, 05:31:48 PM
I had two charges one on Chase one on Citi. I canceled both the Citi charge I canceled at the deadline that was given to me by Citi.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on November 06, 2014, 10:17:33 AM
That's their biz model
Chargebacks
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Just_a_thought on November 10, 2014, 10:29:27 AM
does anyone have an update to whats going on? i no longer get the emails.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on November 10, 2014, 10:57:08 AM
does anyone have an update to whats going on? i no longer get the emails.
You didn't get your money? You missed the end, he was outside BMG writing out million dollar checks to all the participants. It's a shame you missed it after waiting so long.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on November 10, 2014, 11:01:03 AM
You didn't get your money? You missed the end, he was outside BMG writing out million dollar checks to all the participants. It's a shame you missed it after waiting so long.
Enough with the dumb jokes
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on November 10, 2014, 11:16:10 AM
 To update:
  They are still raising more money! They were on the phone with someone i Know pushing him to give more money. It is insane.  No one has seen a dollar back but they keep taking more.
  Here is the deal- the leaders are still taking brokers fees to collect money. They are not putting in their own money. So they have nothing to lose. They are preying on people and manipulating them to give more. They will rot in hell for what they are doing.
 They are stealing .....  there is one Rabbi that is using his "rabbi" title to get people to give more money. He is a fraud. He should know better. Its all about him padding his pockets with other peoples money because he is desperate for money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: efflpetzel on November 10, 2014, 11:59:57 AM
To update:
  They are still raising more money! They were on the phone with someone i Know pushing him to give more money. It is insane.  No one has seen a dollar back but they keep taking more.
  Here is the deal- the leaders are still taking brokers fees to collect money. They are not putting in their own money. So they have nothing to lose. They are preying on people and manipulating them to give more. They will rot in hell for what they are doing.
 They are stealing .....  there is one Rabbi that is using his "rabbi" title to get people to give more money. He is a fraud. He should know better. Its all about him padding his pockets with other peoples money because he is desperate for money.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
blah blah blah, tell me something new
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on November 10, 2014, 12:01:30 PM
You didn't get your money? You missed the end, he was outside BMG writing out million dollar checks to all the participants. It's a shame you missed it after waiting so long.
what does BMG or Lakewood have to do with this scam from Monsey?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 10, 2014, 12:09:37 PM
  They are stealing .....  there is one Rabbi that is using his "rabbi" title to get people to give more money. He is a fraud. He should know better. Its all about him padding his pockets with other peoples money because he is desperate for money.
Time to start putting up posters?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on November 10, 2014, 12:16:28 PM
Time to start putting up posters?
absolutely.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: yakov116 on November 10, 2014, 02:11:16 PM
OY!
@KolMavaser
BUSINESS: Interview with YNeuwirth about his work at Ambit Energy and how he built a team of 30,000 clients ranking as a top earner 3-4-0-28
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on November 10, 2014, 02:57:39 PM
OY!
@KolMavaser
BUSINESS: Interview with YNeuwirth about his work at Ambit Energy and how he built a team of 30,000 clients ranking as a top earner 3-4-0-28
i know someone that made quite a buck with ambit. although im not familiar with that whole shpiel
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on November 10, 2014, 03:01:12 PM
i know someone that made quite a buck with ambit. although im not familiar with that whole shpiel
I can believe that. It is an mlm like any other and some make money and most don't. I wouldn't put it in the same boat as this seemingly outright scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on November 30, 2014, 09:53:35 AM
Anyone out there participating in Robert's latest $10,000 for $100 million BIG BUYOUT opportunity?! Last chance to wrap up this deal and end the year with a BANG!! He just needs $250,000. That's all!!

Seriously, which idiots are still participating in this?!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: coralsnake on November 30, 2014, 10:08:15 AM
Anyone out there participating in Robert's latest $10,000 for $100 million BIG BUYOUT opportunity?! Last chance to wrap up this deal and end the year with a BANG!! He just needs $250,000. That's all!!

Seriously, which idiots are still participating in this?!
Nobody got in for SBS?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on November 30, 2014, 11:45:29 AM
Nobody got in for SBS?
They don't qualify as a small business, you need to be doing less than 100 million in revenue...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on November 30, 2014, 05:58:18 PM
 I heard that they are offering if you give 10,000 you will get a reward of 100 million!! ..... this is no joke. i had a few people tell me this. People are going to be giving more money. It is insane.
  I heard something about the credit card company that is processing these cards are involved in lots of shtick as well. They have no idea what they are getting themselves into. The broker for the company has done some shady stuff and is helping  with this scam - he will be caught. I heard someone in the group hired an investigator.
   I made 30 dollars last night with AMEX - that is 30.00 more than any investor with sungame!!
 
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on November 30, 2014, 06:09:44 PM
I heard that they are offering if you give 10,000 you will get a reward of 100 million!! ..... this is no joke. i had a few people tell me this. People are going to be giving more money. It is insane.
  I heard something about the credit card company that is processing these cards are involved in lots of shtick as well. They have no idea what they are getting themselves into. The broker for the company has done some shady stuff and is helping  with this scam - he will be caught. I heard someone in the group hired an investigator.
   I made 30 dollars last night with AMEX - that is 30.00 more than any investor with sungame!!
 
It's actually a lot more than $30 more when you take into account all the money they are in the red
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avremie on November 30, 2014, 07:34:03 PM
I heard that they are offering if you give 10,000 you will get a reward of 100 million!! ..... this is no joke. i had a few people tell me this. People are going to be giving more money. It is insane.
  I heard something about the credit card company that is processing these cards are involved in lots of shtick as well. They have no idea what they are getting themselves into. The broker for the company has done some shady stuff and is helping  with this scam - he will be caught. I heard someone in the group hired an investigator.
   I made 30 dollars last night with AMEX - that is 30.00 more than any investor with sungame!!
 
It is now safe to say you are just a troll.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on November 30, 2014, 07:47:03 PM
 What would make me a troll? .... If you listened to the conference call the other night - you would have heard that offer which i wrote.
 It can be vouched for by the 180 callers that listened to the same call.
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on November 30, 2014, 08:33:56 PM

What would make me a troll? .... If you listened to the conference call the other night - you would have heard that offer which i wrote.
 It can be vouched for by the 180 callers that listened to the same call.
 

I will vouch for him. I was in the call too. Not only that but there was a replay of the call and then a follow up email detailing the details of the call so please don't call Mr Berkowitz a troll. Get your facts straight before throwing out names.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on November 30, 2014, 08:45:38 PM
For entertainment purposes can you post the emails here?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 06:29:25 AM

For entertainment purposes can you post the emails here?

Enjoy

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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on December 01, 2014, 06:41:03 AM
Too late to get in on this?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 06:43:01 AM

Too late to get in on this?

Never too late. They'll gladly take your $$. It's not like you'll ever get it back anyway....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on December 01, 2014, 06:56:39 AM
Ok, I won't doubt you anymore.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 01, 2014, 07:21:30 AM
Can we please put that letter in the grammar thread?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 01, 2014, 07:30:53 AM
And why has this not reached the authorities yet?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 07:32:11 AM

And why has this not reached the authorities yet?

Because those involved are finding out if it's lashon harah first.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 01, 2014, 07:33:20 AM
I love that the word "venture" is in quotations...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 01, 2014, 07:35:29 AM
Because those involved are finding out if it's lashon harah first.
Finding out, eh?? It's been a year, sir!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 07:38:14 AM

Finding out, eh?? It's been a year, sir!

well because there are so many "rabbis" involved it's not so simple to just expose them like that or so I hear
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on December 01, 2014, 07:48:50 AM
I still am having a very hard time believing that legitimately normal people with half a brain are participating in this
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 07:49:37 AM

I still am having a very hard time believing that legitimately normal people with half a brain are participating in this

Oh it's legit but you're right the brain cells are questionable
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 09:33:18 AM
Thank you Disko for that. 
 The investors were promised by the leaders - many of them happen to be Rabbonim- that they were  going to get 250% return on their money last February!! .... since then , they have not seen a dime. All these leaders keep doing is raising more money for this scam. If you would hear the calls and read the emails you will know what a scam and a fraud this is. Everyone involved is afraid to go after the rabbis and rabbonim involved in leading this scam. People trusted them and some continue to trust them.
   One tzedaka organizations Director is heavily involved in raising big money for this. How can anyone give money to that organization? who knows where the money is going to? They are making a dinner soon- would you trust that all their money is going to the right place !??!
 Anther yeshiva in monsey recently made a breakfast to raise money . They have over 150,000 invested in this. Would you give money to them?!?!
  This is a fraud and scam. The only reason why it continues is because people keep giving more and the leaders keep encouraging others to give.  Thgey are a disgrace.
 This scam will be exposed only when people in the group stand up and take a stand together. It gets complicated because some of the top people are rabbis and rabonim. Shame.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2014, 09:37:22 AM
Thank you Disko for that. 
 The investors were promised by the leaders - many of them happen to be Rabbonim- that they were  going to get 250% return on their money last February!! .... since then , they have not seen a dime. All these leaders keep doing is raising more money for this scam. If you would hear the calls and read the emails you will know what a scam and a fraud this is. Everyone involved is afraid to go after the rabbis and rabbonim involved in leading this scam. People trusted them and some continue to trust them.
   One tzedaka organizations Director is heavily involved in raising big money for this. How can anyone give money to that organization? who knows where the money is going to? They are making a dinner soon- would you trust that all their money is going to the right place !??!
 Anther yeshiva in monsey recently made a breakfast to raise money . They have over 150,000 invested in this. Would you give money to them?!?!
  This is a fraud and scam. The only reason why it continues is because people keep giving more and the leaders keep encouraging others to give.  Thgey are a disgrace.
 This scam will be exposed only when people in the group stand up and take a stand together. It gets complicated because some of the top people are rabbis and rabonim. Shame.
Name names! If everything your saying is true, then according to Sefer Chafetz Chaim you are mechuyav to name names. Including "Rabbanim".
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: asd on December 01, 2014, 09:43:09 AM
you must provide names its a chiyuv min hatorah to do so.Anyone who knows names and is not revealing them will have to give a din vechashbon in shomayim for all the money they could have saved these poor fools
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 09:51:47 AM
 The people that keep giving money know who they are giving it to. They trust them. Anything I say would not help becasue htey are ALL IN. They are afraid if they go against the top , they will never ever see a dollar. The people that have given and continue to give know exactly who these rabbis and rabbonim are. I am just trying to make them aware that they should stop giving.
 I am not sure if naming names at this time will help any.
 That being siad , Everything i write and say it 100% emes. If you are approached with this scam- do not give. Those that keep giving- you are fools. Those that have given and stopped- you should fight the leaders and try and recoup a few bucks and take this to the authorities.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on December 01, 2014, 09:59:47 AM
It is now safe to say you are just a troll.
I too vouch for the authenticity of AbeBerkowitz updates, they are 100% true! Over the last year there have been literally hundreds of emails and many phone conferences that serve one purpose, and one purpose only: To fool the “investors” into thinking that there are current ongoing activities related to strengthening the financial standing of Sungame, when in fact all they do is talk stupid nonsensical financial jargon to create smoke and mirrors, and the “invertors” just dumbly shake their head in agreement, because they are warned not to rattle the cage which would jeopardize their own investments. And the most atrocious thing of all is how certain “Rabbis” use their personal (and by extension their tzedaka organizations’s) reputations to lure naïve people into investing, when these rabbis themselves know nothing about Sungame (not that there is anything really to know, its all fluff).

In honor of Cyber Monday, I present a sampling (see attached).
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 01, 2014, 10:01:40 AM

Name names! If everything your saying is true, then according to Sefer Chafetz Chaim you are mechuyav to name names. Including "Rabbanim".
if it was that simple, it would be a pamphlet not a sefer
you must provide names its a chiyuv min hatorah to do so.Anyone who knows names and is not revealing them will have to give a din vechashbon in shomayim for all the money they could have saved these poor fools
woah woah! And your shmicah comes from which reputable rav?

Don't get me wrong, I hate these people running this and if I had a chance I would break every bone in their body but untill you present a viable plan to actually accomplish something other then quench your curiousty, most people won't disclose names
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 01, 2014, 10:06:04 AM
What's the point of all these updates ? Anyone who's ever read this thread knows not to invest & the people investing are not reading this thread anyways.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 10:08:02 AM
 Read the email that DannyNJ posted. You will see what i say is all truth and you will see what a scam this is.
 You cannot make this up.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 01, 2014, 10:08:23 AM

What's the point of all these updates ? Anyone who's ever read this thread knows not to invest & the people investing are not reading this thread anyways.
whats the point of the random posts thread? And incorrect
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on December 01, 2014, 10:10:39 AM
What's the point of all these updates ? Anyone who's ever read this thread knows not to invest & the people investing are not reading this thread anyways.
I know for a fact that these scammers actively read every single post here. In fact, that is exactly what lead to Dan's infamous voicemail from them. Let them see that there are people who know what they're up to.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 01, 2014, 10:11:08 AM
And incorrect
Which part ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sungameleaks on December 01, 2014, 10:11:35 AM
Do people want to hear audio of Sungames telling investors on a call to deceive the auditors?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:12:17 AM

I know for a fact that these scammers actively read every single post here. In fact, that is exactly what lead to Dan's infamous voicemail from them. Let them see that there are people who know what they're up to.

Agreed. All leaders monitor this site daily. It's been quiet for a while so they thought they can get away with yet another doozy of a scam. Perhaps we can save just one person from investing again. Isn't it worthwhile then?!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 10:12:34 AM
sure! ,,,, lets expose them for what they are!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:13:03 AM

Do people want to hear audio of Sungames telling investors on a call to deceive the auditors?

Bring it!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 01, 2014, 10:13:57 AM
Agreed. All leaders monitor this site daily. It's been quiet for a while so they thought they can get away with yet another doozy of a scam. Perhaps we can save just one person from investing again. Isn't it worthwhile then?!
Are you saying that people who read through this entire thread are still investing by them ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:14:28 AM

Are you saying that people who read through this entire thread are still investing by them ?

Bingo. Not just that they are rallying others to invest too!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 01, 2014, 10:16:28 AM
Bingo. Not just that they are rallying others to invest too!
Aha. But another update will change all that ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:20:09 AM

Aha. But another update will change all that ?

Just might. Who knows. If these people know that the process has begun of reporting Sungames to DA, SEC, Attorney General... maybe they'd do right thing and step forward first. Say that they are in over their heads, even cooperate with the authorities and get some of their $$$ back LEGITIMATELY. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 10:22:09 AM
 The leaders will see that people are on to them.
 Maybe these updates have held people back from giving more money. It may open some eyes and hold some back from giving more.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on December 01, 2014, 10:26:41 AM
Are you saying that people who read through this entire thread are still investing by them ?

Yes, even the investors who read this continue to believe. You have to understand, there are 2 types of these "investors"

1. Really stupid and naive people who simply drink the kool-aid because of the scammers' reputation, and take comfort in the constant email and phone updates provided by the scammers.

2. Really stupid and naive people who after reading all of our posts, became educated, but are still afraid to shake the boat because they don't want to jeopardize what they already put in and don’t want to expose the scammers because of the frum tight-knit you’re-not-allowed-to-snitch community mentality that actually perpetuates the scam.

Because this scam continuously asks for more money, some folks in category 1 keep on giving, since they are told that by not doing so, they could jeopardize the whole deal. These posts deter the category 2 victims from giving more money.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on December 01, 2014, 10:26:58 AM
Tim If the updates bother you so much then don't follow this thread!

Abe- If tzedakos are having dinners and the funds are going toward this then the donors have no clue and need to be informed.....  Im sure the direct investors know the names, but what about the regular guy who donates to a dinner campaign?  If the yeshiva's name is released they'll have to immediately stop giving.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 10:34:15 AM
 I cannot say for certain that they are taking money from tzedaka for this. I personally would not give because I do not believe that any Director of Tzedaka should be involved with  something like this. It would not surprise me if money coming in did go to this. That is what holds me back.
   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sillypainter on December 01, 2014, 10:42:43 AM
I think you guys are just smearing everybody here. I would say only 2 or 3 people "really" know what the truth is, and the rest have no flying clue of what's really going on. So stop bashing rabbis, they are really clueless victims like everybody else.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2014, 10:44:14 AM
If names were named, then the many readers of this forum will spread the name to others, who will in turn spread it to others etc. That would be enormous pressure. Chavrach chavra is lei.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:44:19 AM

I think you guys are just smearing everybody here. I would say only 2 or 3 people "really" know what the truth is, and the rest have no flying clue of what's really going on. So stop bashing rabbis, they are really clueless victims like everybody else.

That's where you are wrong. They aren't clueless. They are very much in the know. They are actively involved in all email threads and conference calls. Some are even large donors and have received finders fees as incentive to bring in business
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2014, 10:45:11 AM
I think you guys are just smearing everybody here. I would say only 2 or 3 people "really" know what the truth is, and the rest have no flying clue of what's really going on. So stop bashing rabbis, they are really clueless victims like everybody else.
But someone clueless has the responsibility to know he's clueless, and not draw others into an investment when he's not qualified.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:47:00 AM

But someone clueless has the responsibility to know he's clueless, and not draw others into an investment when he's not qualified.

Correct. By writing what we are today we are giving opportunity for these leaders to step up and redeem themselves and salvage whatever reputation they can for sake of their innocent families.
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:48:11 AM
Correct. By writing what we are today we are giving opportunity for these leaders to step up and redeem themselves and salvage whatever reputation they can for sake of their innocent families.

Not to mention preventing a HUGE chilul Hashem from occurring. Nobody wants to see these rabbis paraded on the news walking their walk of shame to court.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on December 01, 2014, 10:48:35 AM
But someone clueless has the responsibility to know he's clueless, and not draw others into an investment when he's not qualified.
100%.

Whichever way you cut it people are being duped here.
Public pressure and rabbanim speaking out against this can do a lot to educate people and stop them from losing more money on this!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on December 01, 2014, 10:49:17 AM
Not to mention preventing a HUGE chilul Hashem from occurring. Nobody wants to see these rabbis paraded on the news walking their walk of shame to court.
Oh okay, so let's shield them from shame and instead let others get suckered into giving more money!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2014, 10:49:43 AM
Correct. By writing what we are today we are giving opportunity for these leaders to step up and redeem themselves and salvage whatever reputation they can for sake of their innocent families.
You've written nothing until you provide names. Period.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on December 01, 2014, 10:49:45 AM
Do people want to hear audio of Sungames telling investors on a call to deceive the auditors?
absolutely
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: efflpetzel on December 01, 2014, 10:53:25 AM

Nobody wants to see these rabbis paraded on the news walking their walk of shame to court.
I do.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Baruch on December 01, 2014, 10:53:52 AM
I do.
lol
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 01, 2014, 10:54:20 AM

You've written nothing until you provide names. Period.

And if I were to list the names right now, what will you do with that knowledge?!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 01, 2014, 10:57:03 AM
 Proven nothing?!!?
  There have already been emails posted.And recordings will be posted  soon.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on December 01, 2014, 10:59:25 AM
Just might. Who knows. If these people know that the process has begun of reporting Sungames to DA, SEC, Attorney General... maybe they'd do right thing and step forward first. Say that they are in over their heads, even cooperate with the authorities and get some of their $$$ back LEGITIMATELY.

Oh yes, the process of reporting them to the DA, SEC, and AG has begun!  Askonim have been meeting in Switzerland with rabbonim and private equity fund managers from Hong Kong to determine the best way to report them.  Within 3 weeks, and at most by Christmas, they will be locked up. 

We are almost there!!!!

(Who are we fooling? You didn't report them, and nobody else is reporting them. Nobody is even willing to post their real names and the real incriminating evidence on this site. How about just start with that?)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on December 01, 2014, 11:01:02 AM
And if I were to list the names right now, what will you do with that knowledge?!

If you list the names, and provide the incriminating evidence on this site, I will forward it to a rav, and with his ok, will forward it to the New Jersey and New York AG's.

I can't report anything now.  All I know if this is from reading abeberkowitz's updates on this thread.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 01, 2014, 11:59:14 AM
(Who are we fooling? You didn't report them, and nobody else is reporting them. Nobody is even willing to post their real names and the real incriminating evidence on this site. How about just start with that?)
+1. If you're not gonna name names then stop it already. Posting "updates" every other week is gonna have the opposite effect. For months I've been reading "this is it, it's about to come crashing down" & nothing has happened. Keep screaming "the sky is falling" & nobody's gonna believe it anymore.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on December 01, 2014, 12:02:31 PM
For months I've been reading "this is it, it's about to come crashing down" & nothing has happened. Keep screaming "the sky is falling" & nobody's gonna believe it anymore.

Exactly, it's like Noach yelling about a apocalyptic flood for 120 years.  Is it any wonder nobody believed him?  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: shimino1 on December 01, 2014, 06:56:36 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
Just heard this for the first time......PRICELESS
Hey Dan, were coming after you with big lawyers, well take your page down, well sue you, your going down...... wanna get in on the deal?
Amazing ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avrumy22 on December 01, 2014, 07:05:02 PM
Exactly, it's like Noach yelling about a apocalyptic flood for 120 years.  Is it any wonder nobody believed him?  ;D ;D ;D

or like Al Gore saying that by 2010 there will be no more glaciers..... and the world will implode....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aradisc on December 01, 2014, 07:18:27 PM
Do people want to hear audio of Sungames telling investors on a call to deceive the auditors?

bring it
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: cholent on December 01, 2014, 10:34:04 PM
Just heard this for the first time......PRICELESS
Hey Dan, were coming after you with big lawyers, well take your page down, well sue you, your going down...... wanna get in on the deal?
Amazing ;D

Never heard that before either, thanks for relinking it! I laughed till I cried!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on December 02, 2014, 06:24:57 AM
Being the audio.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Just_a_thought on December 02, 2014, 06:51:07 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4

this is funnier then funny!!! they couldn't find someone that sounded a bit more professional?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 04, 2014, 12:52:03 PM
Wells Fargo Bank is investigating Sungame. Investors are being "told" how to answer questions.

“…the bank’s security and fraud squad (no need to be alarmed, every bank has one)…" LMAO!!!!!!

The leaders should be ashamed of themselves!

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2014, 12:53:13 PM
Androyd?
Is that like a Rollex?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 04, 2014, 12:53:57 PM
Androyd?
Is that like a Rollex?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: efflpetzel on December 04, 2014, 04:52:28 PM
Seriously anyone falling for this is a dumb ass idiot,

even if you had an IQ of 50 you should be able to see straight through this.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on December 04, 2014, 07:12:10 PM
Seriously anyone falling for this is a dumb ass idiot,

even if you had an IQ of 50 you should be able to see straight through this.
Which is why i can't believe there are normal people involved in this
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 04, 2014, 07:15:22 PM

Which is why i can't believe there are normal people involved in this

"normal" is all relative...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mocha on December 04, 2014, 07:16:52 PM
Seriously anyone falling for this is a dumb ass idiot,

even if you had an IQ of 50 you should be able to see straight through this.
I'd watch what i say. There are dozens of lawyers in suits on they're droyds scurraging these posts.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2014, 07:19:26 PM
Nisht stam droyds, 3D droyds.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2014, 07:22:56 PM
what would happen if you called up wells fargo fraud department and explained to them what's going on
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: george on December 04, 2014, 07:42:49 PM
what would happen if you called up wells fargo fraud department and explained to them what's going on
Not a bad idea, doesn't hurt to try.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 04, 2014, 07:44:38 PM
Not a bad idea, doesn't hurt to try.
I don't know enough about it but if anyone else interested you are me than welcome
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: A3 on December 04, 2014, 08:10:44 PM
this is funnier then funny!!! they couldn't find someone that sounded a bit more professional?

Nice. Who is Rivky Straus?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on December 04, 2014, 08:29:08 PM
Lol!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: A3 on December 04, 2014, 10:06:52 PM
I too vouch for the authenticity of AbeBerkowitz updates, they are 100% true! Over the last year there have been literally hundreds of emails and many phone conferences that serve one purpose, and one purpose only: To fool the “investors” into thinking that there are current ongoing activities related to strengthening the financial standing of Sungame, when in fact all they do is talk stupid nonsensical financial jargon to create smoke and mirrors, and the “invertors” just dumbly shake their head in agreement, because they are warned not to rattle the cage which would jeopardize their own investments. And the most atrocious thing of all is how certain “Rabbis” use their personal (and by extension their tzedaka organizations’s) reputations to lure naïve people into investing, when these rabbis themselves know nothing about Sungame (not that there is anything really to know, its all fluff).

In honor of Cyber Monday, I present a sampling (see attached).



Did anybody use their routing number and account number to write a check?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 04, 2014, 11:18:59 PM
whats all the hock here
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mocha on December 04, 2014, 11:20:51 PM
whats all the hock here
Joined today. 1st post is in this thread.

You the lawyer with the 3D droyd?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on December 04, 2014, 11:29:22 PM
Joined today. 1st post is in this thread.

You the lawyer with the 3D droyd?
+1 time for everyone to pull their popcorn back out
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 04, 2014, 11:44:50 PM
Did you hear about the new grocery MLM
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 05, 2014, 01:38:10 AM
Did you hear about the new grocery MLM
Enlighten us
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on December 05, 2014, 02:41:39 AM
Did you hear about the new grocery MLM
Where do I sign up? :P
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 05, 2014, 01:40:32 PM
They say that all you need is 3 people who can do the same and in 4 months youll be a millionaire.

you can ask your "friend" leslie all about it.

And of-course, now is the best opportunity because you will be placed  "on top"   
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: sungames_is_a_scam on December 12, 2014, 03:50:49 AM
I made an account just for this reply because of all the bullshit being fed every week from Robert and Saheed.

I remember a year ago since this started. EVERY WEEK since then they have been promising that the buyout is coming to a close. Look at where we are now. All this promise of paying back the principle to the investors is not going to happen, much less a buyout.  These scammers keep delaying and making up excuses each week so they can rob more people out of money. 

Neil, Robert, Saheed and anyone else involved in this scam, I hope you rot.


Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Drago on December 12, 2014, 04:28:46 AM
I made an account just for this reply because of all the bullshit being fed every week from Robert and Saheed.

I remember a year ago since this started. EVERY WEEK since then they have been promising that the buyout is coming to a close. Look at where we are now. All this promise of paying back the principle to the investors is not going to happen, much less a buyout.  These scammers keep delaying and making up excuses each week so they can rob more people out of money. 

Neil, Robert, Saheed and anyone else involved in this scam, I hope you rot in hell.
And you have yourself in large part to blame for this as do all of the complainers here.
We'd all love to see them locked up, but w/o the ppl being screwed over taking the lead, nothing will ever happen, and more and more ppl will get sucked in and duped.

I hope you feel guilty enough to actually do something instead of just bi##$#*
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 12, 2014, 04:31:38 AM
I made an account just for this reply because of all the bullshit being fed every week from Robert and Saheed.

I remember a year ago since this started. EVERY WEEK since then they have been promising that the buyout is coming to a close. Look at where we are now. All this promise of paying back the principle to the investors is not going to happen, much less a buyout.  These scammers keep delaying and making up excuses each week so they can rob more people out of money. 

Neil, Robert, Saheed and anyone else involved in this scam, I hope you rot in hell.
No need to make a new account just for this reply.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Emkay on December 12, 2014, 06:11:32 AM
Ami living has a small article this week on scams
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: coralsnake on December 12, 2014, 07:54:31 AM
Sounds quite similar:

http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/january/ponzi_011910

"Their story is a lesson for us all. First, contact the FBI or other authorities if you suspect criminal activity. And second, beware of scams that sound too good to be true. They always are."
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 12, 2014, 07:59:13 AM

Sounds quite similar:

http://m.fbi.gov/#http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/january/ponzi_011910

"Their story is a lesson for us all. First, contact the FBI or other authorities if you suspect criminal activity. And second, beware of scams that sound too good to be true. They always are."

Very!! And there's a link to report other schemes such as Sungame. I for one will be exercising my right as a citizen to protect the ones involved and any future investors from these monsters. Thank you.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on December 12, 2014, 08:05:02 AM
No need to make a new account just for this reply.
No IP match FWIW.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 12, 2014, 08:31:10 AM
No IP match FWIW.
Interesting how many people are joining DDF over this thread. & only this thread.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: coralsnake on December 12, 2014, 08:32:57 AM
Interesting how many people are joining DDF over this thread. & only this thread.
Its the 5th result in google when searching for "sungames"

It's first when searching "sungames scam" (which auto-populates when you type sungames)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Moshe123 on December 12, 2014, 08:33:23 AM
Because they are victims and it's the only place on the internet where it's being discussed.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 12, 2014, 10:04:48 AM

I made an account just for this reply because of all the bullshit being fed every week from Robert and Saheed.

I remember a year ago since this started. EVERY WEEK since then they have been promising that the buyout is coming to a close. Look at where we are now. All this promise of paying back the principle to the investors is not going to happen, much less a buyout.  These scammers keep delaying and making up excuses each week so they can rob more people out of money. 

Neil, Robert, Saheed and anyone else involved in this scam, I hope you rot in hell.

While you're at it since you're anonymous why don't you expose the names of the leaders and those who enable to scan to continue by threatening the victims that if they report or charge back they are singlehandedly destroying "the community"?! If you do others will have the courage to fill out that FBI form and we can put Neil and Robert behind bars forever
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 12, 2014, 10:22:07 AM
While you're at it since you're anonymous why don't you expose the names of the leaders and those who enable to scan to continue by threatening the victims that if they report or charge back they are singlehandedly destroying "the community"?!
Umm, you're also anonymous, why don't you ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on December 12, 2014, 10:34:30 AM
Umm, you're also anonymous, why don't you ?
Very!! And there's a link to report other schemes such as Sungame.I for one will be exercising my right as a citizen to protect the ones involved and any future investors from these monsters. Thank you.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on December 12, 2014, 10:37:08 AM
+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 12, 2014, 10:41:08 AM
For reasons I cannot get into right now I am unable to.
1 anonymous person can't but the other anonymous person could ? Come on
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 12, 2014, 10:41:15 AM

Umm, you're also anonymous, why don't you ?

For reasons I cannot get into now I am unable to at this time.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 12, 2014, 10:41:59 AM

1 anonymous person can't but the other anonymous person could ? Come on

Don't judge. Many on this forum know why I can't. Let's just leave it at that.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 12, 2014, 10:44:23 AM
Don't judge. Many on this forum know why I can't. Let's just leave it at that.
So close your DDF account & open a new one under a different username & spill the beans.
& no one will ever know it was disco7
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 12, 2014, 10:46:21 AM

So close your DDF account & open a new one under a different username & spill the beans.
& no one will ever know it was disco7

LOL because now it won't be TOTALLY obvious
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 12, 2014, 10:53:16 AM
LOL because now it won't be TOTALLY obvious
Of course it won't. It could be anyone who decided to join today. Unless if there's something else going on here.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: aygart on December 12, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
LOL because now it won't be TOTALLY obvious


Of course it won't. It could be anyone who decided to join today. Unless if there's something else going on here.
or someone who joins in two weeks....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on December 12, 2014, 11:49:59 AM
Srry if this us a repost

http://bewareofscams.blogspot.com/?m=1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on December 12, 2014, 12:04:34 PM
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showthread.php?t=345956&page=2&s=3c50c8d6e4cdf10f8d0299932ef11027
I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: henche on December 12, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
No IP match FWIW.

Of course not. I posted it from a proxy.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 13, 2014, 06:15:42 PM
Ami living has a small article this week on scams
Very vague. Didn't name anything specific. Basically inheritance & real estate scams.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 14, 2014, 11:39:16 PM
Real estate scams ARE ponzis too
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: A3 on December 24, 2014, 03:41:24 PM
Why do they let Niel handle the business?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/asc-alleges-neil-chandran-energy-193600638.html
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on December 24, 2014, 05:02:36 PM
Are they implying that the investors are all considered account holders subject to KYC?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on December 24, 2014, 05:16:22 PM
These guys are funny
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: coralsnake on December 24, 2014, 05:28:02 PM
The addresses on your ID. (Passport/drivers license) and your utility bill (or equivalent) have to match.
Passports don't have an address.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on December 24, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1466721-sungame-a-penny-stock-trading-for-2_1-billion

read the comment from awachsler  sounds like a jew trying to defend himself ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 24, 2014, 05:45:23 PM

http://seekingalpha.com/article/1466721-sungame-a-penny-stock-trading-for-2_1-billion

read the comment from awachsler  sounds like a jew trying to defend himself ;)

Why does that surprise you? He IS one of the leaders after all.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 24, 2014, 06:57:28 PM
Did anyone hear if the El Al deal is  still on?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on December 25, 2014, 11:12:36 PM
Did anyone hear if the El Al deal is  still on?
What was the deal?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: VacationLover on December 25, 2014, 11:17:25 PM
What was the deal?
You mean after having a gran grand grandchild? I see that you're 91 y/o    
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on December 25, 2014, 11:18:00 PM
You mean after having a gran grand grandchild? I see that you're 91 y/o  
Haha.  Yeah, I had my first at 90.

Btw are you on tapatalk? Cause I think you replied to me in the wrong thread...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: VacationLover on December 25, 2014, 11:21:30 PM
Yes talpatalk. I have no clue how that happened
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
I was informed by a very upset investor who lost 150,000 that he reported this whole scam to the FBI. He told me that he gave up on ever seeing his money but is fuming that they still try and raise more money and continue to have foolish conference calls like they did last night. He mentioned a few organizations in monsey in the report that are  involved- one of them  being Tomchei Shabbos of Monsey.
  There are some real upset investors who have had enough.
It is disturbing that leadership of tzedaka organizations are involved in raising money for something like this.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
I was informed by a very upset investor who lost 150,000 that he reported this whole scam to the FBI. He told me that he gave up on ever seeing his money but is fuming that they still try and raise more money and continue to have foolish conference calls like they did last night. He mentioned a few organizations in monsey in the report that are  involved- one of them  being Tomchei Shabbos of Monsey.
  There are some real upset investors who have had enough.
It is disturbing that leadership of tzedaka organizations are involved in raising money for something like this.
Pray tell, what did the bureau tell this investor ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 31, 2014, 03:32:27 PM
 Nothing happens over night with the FBI....
  Its about time someone is taking action. Good for him!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on December 31, 2014, 05:56:56 PM
Pray tell, what did the bureau tell this investor ?
Probably, take a number.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2014, 06:08:31 PM
All those "fuming investors going to the FBI" over their lost money better make sure they're reporting that much on their taxes.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 31, 2014, 06:50:12 PM
You think the FBI wants more work? They are so busy with Sony. Just take a look at what this reporter said.

"As part of our ongoing public-private partnerships, the FBI and DHS routinely share information with the private sector and law enforcement community," the official said. "The FBI and DHS are not aware of any specific credible information indicating a threat to entertainment or news organizations, however, out of an abundance of caution, we will continue to disseminate relevant information observed during the course of our investigations."

Trust me, they have enough on their hands.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 31, 2014, 06:51:07 PM
You think the FBI wants more work? They are so busy with Sony. Just take a look at what this reporter said.

"As part of our ongoing public-private partnerships, the FBI and DHS routinely share information with the private sector and law enforcement community," the official said. "The FBI and DHS are not aware of any specific credible information indicating a threat to entertainment or news organizations, however, out of an abundance of caution, we will continue to disseminate relevant information observed during the course of our investigations."

Trust me, they have enough on their hands.
That doesn't mean they won't investigate a huge scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on December 31, 2014, 06:55:44 PM
That doesn't mean they won't investigate a huge scam
They most definitely will investigate, especially if the person who snitched gave them enough info.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 07:03:17 PM

They most definitely will investigate, especially if the person who snitched gave them enough info.

They most definitely will investigate especially because enough information and names were given and we all know that the government and media enjoy exposing ultra orthodox Jewish scandals.  This will be an epic chilul Hashem. It's a shame that so many of the organization leaders know what's going on and aren't doing anything to stop it... to save themselves.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2014, 07:04:49 PM
You think the FBI wants more work? They are so busy with Sony. Just take a look at what this reporter said.

"As part of our ongoing public-private partnerships, the FBI and DHS routinely share information with the private sector and law enforcement community," the official said. "The FBI and DHS are not aware of any specific credible information indicating a threat to entertainment or news organizations, however, out of an abundance of caution, we will continue to disseminate relevant information observed during the course of our investigations."

Trust me, they have enough on their hands.
Good chance they would look into finances of big investors.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 31, 2014, 07:06:37 PM
You think the FBI wants more work? They are so busy with Sony. Just take a look at what this reporter said.

"As part of our ongoing public-private partnerships, the FBI and DHS routinely share information with the private sector and law enforcement community," the official said. "The FBI and DHS are not aware of any specific credible information indicating a threat to entertainment or news organizations, however, out of an abundance of caution, we will continue to disseminate relevant information observed during the course of our investigations."

Trust me, they have enough on their hands.
So are you Avi Wechsler getting scared now?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 07:06:45 PM

Good chance they would look into finances of big investors.

True. Most in not all don't have much to hide. This was a colossal mistake made but many investors did so because they had blind trust in their leaders who they believed to be "ehrlich".
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
True. Most in not all don't have much to hide. This was a colossal mistake made but many investors did so because they had blind trust in their leaders who they believed to be "ehrlich".
Are you so sure people that invested are reporting all that money, & not on welfare, HUD, or food stamps ?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 07:11:15 PM

Are you so sure people that invested are reporting all that money, & not on welfare, HUD, or food stamps ?

Some might be.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2014, 07:12:16 PM
Some might be.
Those victims will be in hot water. Happened many times before. The ones going to the Feds should realize that.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 07:13:11 PM

Those victims will be in hot water. Happened many times before.

Perhaps if they too step up and cooperate with the FBI the government can ease up on them. I don't know.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 31, 2014, 07:13:46 PM
 The ones that are going to have to worry most are the tzedakka organizations who invested and more so for the Directors of some of them who invested and got othrs to invest...they will track it all.
  There are emails, recordings of all this .....FBI will have a field day.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 31, 2014, 07:15:45 PM
The ones that are going to have to worry most are the tzedakka organizations who invested and more so for the Directors of some of them who invested and got othrs to invest...they will track it all.
  There are emails, recordings of all this .....FBI will have a field day.
The problem is it will take a long time just like with mendel epstein I know someone who was contacted by the FBI a year before they had the sting operation
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 07:20:14 PM

The problem is it will take a long time just like with mendel epstein I know someone who was contacted by the FBI a year before they had the sting operation

Well since we all know that they monitor this thread here's their heads up. The FBI is on to them. Stop the illegalities. Make a kiddush Hashem. Step up and stop enabling our communities to be taken advantage of by these scammers. Enough is enough.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 31, 2014, 07:20:21 PM
 It will take time... but i know they group keeps an eye on this page. MAybe they will be smart enought to stop pushing and asking for more money.
  Hopefully this will wake them up.
 Maybe Tomchei Shabbos and the other organizations will think twice before they put more money in or ask for more money. Disgusting. It will all catch up to them... may take a while...but it all catches up.
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on December 31, 2014, 07:21:32 PM

It will take time... but i know they group keeps an eye on this page. MAybe they will be smart enought to stop pushing and asking for more money.
  Hopefully this will wake them up.
 Maybe Tomchei Shabbos and the other organizations will think twice before they put more money in or ask for more money. Disgusting. It will all catch up to them... may take a while...but it all catches up.
 

That's right sir. Karma's a b**ch
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 31, 2014, 07:22:09 PM
It will take time... but i know they group keeps an eye on this page. MAybe they will be smart enought to stop pushing and asking for more money.
  Hopefully this will wake them up.
 Maybe Tomchei Shabbos and the other organizations will think twice before they put more money in or ask for more money. Disgusting. It will all catch up to them... may take a while...but it all catches up.
 
Of course they keep an eye on it who do you think Abe Pollak is none other than Avi Wechsler
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on December 31, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
The ones that are going to have to worry most are the tzedakka organizations who invested and more so for the Directors of some of them who invested and got othrs to invest...they will track it all.
  There are emails, recordings of all this .....FBI will have a field day.
The day the FBI carries out the computers & files many victims are gonna be shaking in their pants.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on December 31, 2014, 07:25:14 PM
The day the FBI carries out the computers & files many victims are gonna be shaking in their pants.
Can't wait
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mocha on December 31, 2014, 07:25:45 PM
The day the FBI carries out the computers & files many victims are gonna be sh*ting their pants.
FTFY
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on December 31, 2014, 07:35:33 PM
It will take time... but i know they group keeps an eye on this page. MAybe they will be smart enought to stop pushing and asking for more money.
  Hopefully this will wake them up.
 Maybe Tomchei Shabbos and the other organizations will think twice before they put more money in or ask for more money. Disgusting. It will all catch up to them... may take a while...but it all catches up.
 
Which Tomchei are you referring to?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on December 31, 2014, 08:45:33 PM
But there must be money available to put it in the budget
Maybe they should build new houses for everyone in the budget because it doesn't have to do with the money left
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 31, 2014, 08:59:47 PM
Abe, you make as much sense as the garbage said on all your conference calls!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on December 31, 2014, 09:27:36 PM
Abe, you make as much sense as the garbage said on all your conference calls!
He likes changing the subject so that he doesn't get exposed.
Troll. Go back into your dark, foul-smelling hole in the ground.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on December 31, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
Tomchei of monsey and all other yeshivas better cover themselves well.
 Too much info is out.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 12:18:05 AM
He likes changing the subject so that he doesn't get exposed.
+1 I think almost all of Avi Wexler/Abe Pollaks posts are trying to steer this thread OT so it no longer discusses him and his scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 01, 2015, 01:02:01 AM
Tomchei of monsey and all other yeshivas better cover themselves well.
 Too much info is out.
Why? How are they involved?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 01:19:05 PM
its a public company that sells tablets
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 01:32:37 PM
its a public company that sells tablets

Abe, it’s time for you to stop covering up for these crooks, and open your mind to the genuine facts.

Sungame (and its sub companies, Freevi, Energy TV, etc) lures investors by touting their proprietary 3D display technology, with the promise that a major tech company will imminently buy out for billions.

http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/sungame-corporation-announces-launch-flightdeck-commander-glasses-free-3d-android-tablet-otcbb-sgmz-1788952.htm

If you had a chance to get your hands on their tablet, go to the android menu, click 'about', and see that it is a model "A6100".

This model A6100 tablet is manufactured by a Chinese company, Truly Industrial Ltd, and can be custom ordered in quantities of 1,000 units under your personal brand name.
See here: http://www.globalmarket.com/product-info/amazingd-3d-tablet-pc-2482462.html

This is exactly what Sungame did. They purport to be on the leading edge of technology, but it's simply a custom-logo-embossed door prize for investors, and more importantly, a means to show regulatory agencies that they are in a legitimate business of selling products (which they are technically, reselling another manufacturer's tech product, under your own branded name).

This is a scam, plain and simple. Stop encouraging people to put money into this!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 01:33:47 PM
its a public company that sells tablets
Avi Wechsler when will you stop with these lies here is one place you can't get away with it you already scammed so many innocent people stop it already
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 01:34:45 PM
Abe, it’s time for you to stop covering up for these crooks
he isn't covering up for the those crooks he is the crooks
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 01:38:26 PM
he isn't covering up for the those crooks he is the crooks
Then I stand corrected: Abe, Stop being the crook!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 01:50:19 PM
thanks for the link Danny. I just tried to purchase one but cant seem to find the checkout. Is this only for whole sale?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 01:50:55 PM
talking about the link you posted
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 01:54:47 PM
thanks for the link Danny. I just tried to purchase one but cant seem to find the checkout. Is this only for whole sale?
Yes, Abe, that link is for wholesale, exactly where your group got their lot of tablets to suck naive investors in.
If your'e interested in buying 1 such tablet, here you go:
http://nakedeye.co.nz/amazing.htm
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 01:57:10 PM
thanks for the link Danny. I just tried to purchase one but cant seem to find the checkout. Is this only for whole sale?
seriously avi wechsler don't make believe you have no idea what's going on you crook, stop already stop scamming more and more innocent people
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:01:46 PM
yes, but they also 1k, its not a better deal
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:03:39 PM
yes, but they also 1k, its not a better deal
avi wechsler stop beating around the bush you have been exposed here so stop already you already scammed so many innocent stop it already and get out of here
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:06:22 PM
Danny,

Do you know if the $999 price was always that way?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
Danny,

Do you know if the $999 price was always that way?
seriously avi wechsler you missed the boat why don't you respond to what i said and only respond to the unimportant parts of peoples posts
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:11:39 PM
Yes, we understand that anyone could get their company name on a tablet (or anything else). agreed.

All i wanted to know was IF you knew if they were charging that same price all along
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 02:12:02 PM
yes, but they also 1k, its not a better deal
So Abe, you admit that someone else, other than Sungame, can sell this tablet?! But wait a second, isn't the entire premise of your "investment", that a big tech company (ie, Alibaba, Samsung, Facebook...folks, I'm not making this stuff up, these are actual names that these crooks used in the past) will buy this super duper unique proprietary technology for themselves for billions of dollars! How come Truly Industrial Ltd is manufacturing these tablets and you can buy them online from vendors? I’ll tell you why Abe, because Sungame is a massive scam!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:16:00 PM
Yes, we understand that anyone could get their company name on a tablet (or anything else). agreed.

All i wanted to know was IF you knew if they were charging that same price all along
and he just admitted his participation in this scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: george on January 01, 2015, 02:18:05 PM
Yes, we understand that anyone could get their company name on a tablet (or anything else). agreed.
So I can call up Apple and ask them to make some Ipads with my company name on it instead of Apple's name on it? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 02:18:25 PM
Yes, we understand that anyone could get their company name on a tablet (or anything else). agreed.

All i wanted to know was IF you knew if they were charging that same price all along
Abe, you’re just filibustering and playing games by posting nonsensical gibberish to deter people’s attention from the facts stated above.
Not everyone are as naive as your "investors".
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:19:00 PM
Danny, I suppose you dont know what how long they have been charging $999 for.

Its ok just say so.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Super Speed on January 01, 2015, 02:20:49 PM
I was wondering how sane people can be so foolish and invest in this and now he showed me they're not sane...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:21:35 PM
Danny, I suppose you dont know what how long they have been charging $999 for.

Its ok just say so.
no body ******* cares how much they charge for that crap just shut up with your attempts to steer the thread away from it's important purpose of exposing your lies and scams
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 02:39:41 PM
I was wondering how sane people can be so foolish and invest in this and now he showed me they're not sane...
You’re so right. But the main impetus of their success in scamming so many people is by exploiting the trustworthiness and credibility of their ‘leaders’,  some of whom run tzedaka organizations, schools, etc, as mentioned above. How could any potential investor suspect that there are shenanigans going on if you’re approached by such “honest” and “God fearing” individuals? These ‘leaders’ showcase their work’s reputation, and naive ‘investors’ fall for it, hook, line, and sinker.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:50:37 PM
Here is a present for you. I see you need to make easy money. 

https://www.a-assets.com/?r=106027
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:52:46 PM
Here is a present for you. I see you need to make easy money. 

https://www.a-assets.com/?r=106027
what is this your newest scam after your last one was exposed?
get out of here already you crook we don't need you here and we definitely don't want you here
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:53:20 PM
it wont go under until you sign up
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 02:56:11 PM
it wont go under until you sign up
so if i sign up it will bring down your scam?
i would do it but i don't believe you after all these lies you gave us
get out of here we had enough of your lies and scams i'm eagerly awaiting the day the FBI knocks on your door
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
ok. ill try to find you a real job.

just be prepared that you wont have all day like you do now.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on January 01, 2015, 02:59:22 PM
ok. ill try to find you a real job.

just be prepared that you wont have all day like you do now.
you have time, cause your making easy money from other people...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:03:06 PM
ok. ill try to find you a real job.

just be prepared that you wont have all day like you do now.
because everyone else you know must work all day on new years
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:03:15 PM
and here is another one. just for those who have at least 500+ posts.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:03:45 PM
https://www.a-assets.com/static/docs/Certificate-of-Incorporation.pdf
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:05:36 PM
and just in case you still have money left you can put the rest in here.  Feel honored. I only do it for special people.

 https://www.coinassets.net/?ref=mnoblog
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:06:28 PM
and here is another one. just for those who have at least 500+ posts.
stop with your nonsense we already know that you are avi wechsler the crook and now get out of here
I am here to save people from this scammer named avi wechsler who calls himself abe pollak why are you here just to scam more innocent people just get out of here and stop living the life of a crook we don't need you here
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:07:16 PM
and just in case you still have money left you can put the rest in here.  Feel honored. I only do it for special people.

 https://www.coinassets.net/?ref=mnoblog
https://www.a-assets.com/static/docs/Certificate-of-Incorporation.pdf
so now you are trying to recruit more victims for your scams?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:11:09 PM
New to the forum, but not new to the topic. I have a friend who purchased tablets, and I believe that everyone who has been posting here, especially those who make claims that authorities have been contacted, are all simply disgruntled. Not a soul on this forum has any proof to anything other than their personal opinions and allegations. And while I have not put in a penny into this, I still feel that it is terrible that there are those who are willing to ruin others based on gossip. Nobody went to the FBI and you all know that.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:12:16 PM
New to the forum, but not new to the topic. I have a friend who purchased tablets, and I believe that everyone who has been posting here, especially those who make claims that authorities have been contacted, are all simply disgruntled. Not a soul on this forum has any proof to anything other than their personal opinions and allegations. And while I have not put in a penny into this, I still feel that it is terrible that there are those who are willing to ruin others based on gossip. Nobody went to the FBI and you all know that.
so avi wechsler is back with a new name? mods can you compare ip's
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:13:17 PM
this is a really good one for you.

http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/starting-a-business/2013/10/04/8-home-based-business-ideas-that-pay/
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 03:14:53 PM

New to the forum, but not new to the topic. I have a friend who purchased tablets, and I believe that everyone who has been posting here, especially those who make claims that authorities have been contacted, are all simply disgruntled. Not a soul on this forum has any proof to anything other than their personal opinions and allegations. And while I have not put in a penny into this, I still feel that it is terrible that there are those who are willing to ruin others based on gossip. Nobody went to the FBI and you all know that.

Oh no, that's where you are 100% wrong. An FBI file has been opened for both Sungames naming both Neil and Robert by name and the other file names the Jewish organizations/yeshivas and the leaders who are actively asking for $$.

This I know FOR SURE. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:15:25 PM
this is a really good one for you.

http://smallbusiness.foxbusiness.com/starting-a-business/2013/10/04/8-home-based-business-ideas-that-pay/
rule for life never take tips on how to make money from a scammer unless you want to end up in a cell
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: gtr nismo on January 01, 2015, 03:16:38 PM
I was informed by a very upset investor who lost 150,000 that he reported this whole scam to the FBI. He told me that he gave up on ever seeing his money but is fuming that they still try and raise more money and continue to have foolish conference calls like they did last night. He mentioned a few organizations in monsey in the report that are  involved- one of them  being Tomchei Shabbos of Monsey.
  There are some real upset investors who have had enough.
It is disturbing that leadership of tzedaka organizations are involved in raising money for something like this.
I just sighned up bc i saw this post and i wanna say that i know who this investor is pretty well and he told me he never went to the fbi or anybody.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 03:17:29 PM

I just sighned up bc i saw this post and i wanna say that i know who this investor is pretty well and he told me he never went to the fbi or anybody.

There are many investors and you and I probably don't know the same one.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:18:07 PM
I just sighned up bc i saw this post and i wanna say that i know who this investor is pretty well and he told me he never went to the fbi or anybody.
how many accounts is avi wechsler making in one day?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 03:20:40 PM
Avi pollack- wachsler, Your group is turning on you and the other scum bag leaders who think they are untouchable. You are a thief for continuing this scam going as long as it did. You hurt lots of people.
 You will go down along with all your other leaders - shragi g, shimmy w,  moskowitz and all your other buddies.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:22:44 PM
Avi pollack- wachsler, Your group is turning on you and the other scum bag leaders who think they are untouchable. You are a thief for continuing this scam going as long as it did. You hurt lots of people.
 You will go down along with all your other leaders - shragi g, shimmy w,  moskowitz and all your other buddies.
AMEN
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:27:06 PM

Oh no, that's where you are 100% wrong. An FBI file has been opened for both Sungames naming both Neil and Robert by name and the other file names the Jewish organizations/yeshivas and the leaders who are actively asking for $$.

This I know FOR SURE.
I find it extremely disturbing that people post in the forum how they know everything for a fact, and that everything else is a scam. That is quite convenient.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:28:52 PM

Avi pollack- wachsler, Your group is turning on you and the other scum bag leaders who think they are untouchable. You are a thief for continuing this scam going as long as it did. You hurt lots of people.
 You will go down along with all your other leaders - shragi g, shimmy w,  moskowitz and all your other buddies.
So sad that people feel so comfortable threatening others, especially when it comes to claims that they would like everyone to believe is fact.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 03:29:14 PM
New to the forum, but not new to the topic. I have a friend who purchased tablets, and I believe that everyone who has been posting here, especially those who make claims that authorities have been contacted, are all simply disgruntled.
You "have a friend who purchased tablets" ?!?!?  You're full of it! This was a purchase!?!? Are you out of your mind? No one purchased these! These are simply 'smoke and mirrors' to get people to invest! No one decided to shop for tablets with Sungame, no sane individual would ever do so! It's just a means to an end, to get naive people to put in money in this scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:29:20 PM
Listen Berky,

Why are you afraid to show how many posts you have really posted? you have posted over 1000 times yet you somehow keep it to 55.

Dont be embarrassed...Not everyone has so much time. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:30:18 PM
I find it extremely disturbing that people post in the forum how they know everything for a fact, and that everything else is a scam. That is quite convenient.
I find it extremely disturbing that scammers post in this forum trying to recruit new victims and trying to instill doubt in those who are already victims and want to pull out but are now given a bit of false hope and therefore the scam continues on
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 03:30:25 PM
Good to see all the leaders and dumb followers sign up with new names to post. You must all be getting nervous. There are a bunch of investors who will rat you all out.
  Did Neil sign up for this or is he in panama?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:31:04 PM
So sad that people feel so comfortable threatening others, especially when it comes to claims that they would like everyone to believe is fact.
ironically it's you who is saying this
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:31:31 PM

New to the forum, but not new to the topic. I have a friend who purchased tablets, and I believe that everyone who has been posting here, especially those who make claims that authorities have been contacted, are all simply disgruntled. Not a soul on this forum has any proof to anything other than their personal opinions and allegations. And while I have not put in a penny into this, I still feel that it is terrible that there are those who are willing to ruin others based on gossip. Nobody went to the FBI and you all know that.

Who's being ruined?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:31:58 PM
Some people might actually want the tablets
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:32:31 PM
Who's being ruined?
the scam
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 03:32:32 PM

Listen Berky,

Why are you afraid to show how many posts you have really posted? you have posted over 1000 times yet you somehow keep it to 55.

Dont be embarrassed...Not everyone has so much time.

How is the # of times he posted even relevant? Seriously?!?!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:33:13 PM
How is the # of times he posted even relevant? Seriously?!?!
it's just another one of his many attempts to take this thread OT
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:33:26 PM

You "have a friend who purchased tablets" ?!?!?  You're full of it! This was a purchase!?!? Are you out of your mind? No one purchased these! These are simply 'smoke and mirrors' to get people to invest! No one decided to shop for tablets with Sungame, no sane individual would ever do so! It's just a means to an end, to get naive people to put in money in this scam.
I am most certainly not full of it. I have a friend who told me and showed me his order. Everything you are saying, however, is simply claims and allegations. You seem to be very passionate about this, and I wonder why you feel so comfortable threatening others. You know full well that you have nothing. I've been following this through this friend, and you have nothing.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:33:40 PM

So sad that people feel so comfortable threatening others, especially when it comes to claims that they would like everyone to believe is fact.

Are you saying this is not a scam???
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 01, 2015, 03:34:26 PM
Just do not respond to them. You are hurting the message you are trying to get out with all this back and forth. You are trying to beat them at their own game and are losing.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:34:33 PM

ironically it's you who is saying this
You and others have decided to make public claims and threats. I don't see anyone doing so.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:34:56 PM
I am most certainly not full of it. I have a friend who told me and showed me his order. Everything you are saying, however, is simply claims and allegations. You seem to be very passionate about this, and I wonder why you feel so comfortable threatening others. You know full well that you have nothing. I've been following this through this friend, and you have nothing.
don't we all know that "friend"
I think this friend of your is named avi wechsler
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:35:42 PM
Anyone for mincha.

Need a tzenter
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:35:48 PM
Are you saying this is not a scam???
It does not seem to me that you can prove otherwise, your logic and emotions not withstanding.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:36:58 PM

It does jot seem to me that you can prove otherwise, your logic and emotions not withstanding.

The proof is overwhelming.  Only a scammer would state otherwise.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:37:09 PM
Come on Berky and avromy7 , join us for  A MINYAN we know you have the time.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

don't we all know that "friend"
I think this friend of your is named avi wechsler
Not at all, not even in the same state. I happen to know where AW lives, but once again, it is easy to tell others to listen to your claims without any meat rather than the others.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
menachem ,

If you want to get married , you should remove the "i hate you" signature. You sound almost as bitter as Avromy7.
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:40:16 PM
The proof is overwhelming.  Only a scammer would state otherwise.
Wow. Now that's a leap. It appears quite ironic that you're asking people to believe you while you cannot grasp the simple fact that I am indeed an outsider. I am new to this forum. I am not involved in this. I do have a friend involved. Simple and straightforward truth.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
Avromy at least has a reason to be bitter. He does not have a job, but YOU, such a fine man with a good reputation, why ruin it?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:41:27 PM
that was for menachem
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on January 01, 2015, 03:42:28 PM
Wow. Now that's a leap. It appears quite ironic that you're asking people to believe you while you cannot grasp the simple fact that I am indeed an outsider. I am new to this forum. I am not involved in this. I do have a friend involved. Straight, simple and straightforward truth.
first you have a "friend" that "purchased" tablets. Now u know where a.w. lives.  Dont claim that you are an outsider
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:43:07 PM

that was for menachem

What are you talking about? Have you been drinking again?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:44:11 PM
Avromy at least has a reason to be bitter. He does not have a job, but YOU, such a fine man with a good reputation, why ruin it?
so now you start making things up about me what a disgusting attempt to turn this OT
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 03:45:45 PM
I am most certainly not full of it. I have a friend who told me and showed me his order. Everything you are saying, however, is simply claims and allegations. You seem to be very passionate about this, and I wonder why you feel so comfortable threatening others. You know full well that you have nothing. I've been following this through this friend, and you have nothing.

The reason I am so passionate about this is because there is nothing I hate more in this world than a self-righteous non-repenting ignorant self-serving reputation-promoting scammer.
Mike, let's not kid ourselves, that is exactly who YOU are, don't give me the "It's my friend..." story. You are leading this, trying to put doubt in investor's heads.  And you are so wrong that "you have nothing", there are so many investors that have "something", and it's just a matter of time...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:45:58 PM

first you have a "friend" that "purchased" tablets. Now u know where a.w. lives.  Dont claim that you are an outsider
As I mentioned before, this friend has kept me up to date throughout. I didn't think that knowing where someone lives is very difficult fact to learn. Once again, your words are weak, logic weaker, and overall claim non-existent. Please do try harder though.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:46:04 PM
there you go again Menachem. I have a great shidduch for you (she's on the "wash my sheitel forum" - but she's intelligent, so dont worry)
I cant redd it until you stop hating everyone
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:47:27 PM
there you go again Menachem. I have a great shidduch for you (she's on the "wash my sheitel forum" - but she's intelligent, so dont worry)
I cant redd it until you stop hating everyone
He doesn't hate everyone only scammers
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:48:16 PM

there you go again Menachem. I have a great shidduch for you (she's on the "wash my sheitel forum" - but she's intelligent, so dont worry)
I cant redd it until you stop hating everyone

I'm counting down the days until VIN has pics of these scammers in handcuffs.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:49:12 PM
MENACHEM!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:49:17 PM

The reason I am so passionate about this is because there is nothing I hate more in this world than a self-righteous non-repenting ignorant self-serving reputation-promoting scammer.
Mike, let's not kid ourselves, that is exactly who YOU are, don't give me the "It's my friend..." story. You are leading this, trying to put doubt in investor's heads.  And you are so wrong that "you have nothing", there are so many investors that have "something", and it's just a matter of time...
It appears to me that you are making the following claim: Believe me over others without anything to prove it.
Yes, I have a single friend who purchased tablets. Yes, he has filled me in on the process. Yes, I know who his friend, AW, lives. These are not very difficult facts to believe. Yours, however, seem far more creative.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on January 01, 2015, 03:49:47 PM
I'm counting down the days until VIN has pics of these scammers in handcuffs.
and then pidyun shvuyim campaign  starts. ..
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 01, 2015, 03:50:25 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D60xnL33mvQ/SJpOjH8CwcI/AAAAAAAAADc/JcTvNBkxd20/s1600/troll.gif)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:50:33 PM

MENACHEM!!

Do you prefer Otisville or someplace on the west coast?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:50:52 PM
HAPPY PEOPLE dont have that type of signature
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:51:53 PM

HAPPY PEOPLE dont have that type of signature

The point of this thread is the scam not people's happiness. Stay focused.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 01, 2015, 03:52:09 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D60xnL33mvQ/SJpOjH8CwcI/AAAAAAAAADc/JcTvNBkxd20/s1600/troll.gif)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:52:42 PM

I'm counting down the days until VIN has pics of these scammers in handcuffs.
Seems like a lot of hate here. Perhaps you should take a few numbers off the 613 of your screen name to reflect it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 03:53:12 PM
and then pidyun shvuyim campaign  starts. ..
+1
I guess Tomche Shabbos of Monsey will have to expand their fundraising campaign to cover pidyun shevuim for their own people
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 03:53:55 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D60xnL33mvQ/SJpOjH8CwcI/AAAAAAAAADc/JcTvNBkxd20/s1600/troll.gif)
+1 I'm done
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:54:01 PM
Menachem.
ok we get it. You are miserable and you want others to be just as miserable. We all know such people.
Lets do a different test.

do you know what this means..
שו"ע או"ח תקפ:ב
...בשמונה בטבת נכתבה התורה יונית בימי תלמי המלך והיה חשך בעולם שלשה ימים; ובט' בו לא נודע איזו היא הצרה
שאירע בו 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 03:54:20 PM
Pollack, you promised quick returns a year ago. No one has seen a penny. Yet you, shragi, moskowitz still do not stop taking more money from people . You continue to make false promises. You are all scam artists.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 01, 2015, 03:55:33 PM
(http://galeri.uludagsozluk.com/8/don-t-feed-the-troll_12918.jpg)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:56:08 PM
https://tips.fbi.gov/
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 03:57:13 PM

Menachem.
ok we get it. You are miserable and you want others to be just as miserable. We all know such people.
Lets do a different test.

do you know what this means..
שו"ע או"ח תקפ:ב
...בשמונה בטבת נכתבה התורה יונית בימי תלמי המלך והיה חשך בעולם שלשה ימים; ובט' בו לא נודע איזו היא הצרה
שאירע בו

http://www.sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 03:59:28 PM
All I can say, yes, as an outsider, is that a few people with too much time and hatred are trying to hurt the reputation and financial situations of others. To Menachem, Mordy and Avromie (whoever you guys are), you seem to be bent on destroying others without facts. While you state that the people involved in this will pay dearly, perhaps you should reflect upon yourselves and what awaits those with unjust hatred.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 03:59:35 PM
Ok chevra, and my new friend Berky,

The chessed you have done for me today is great. You really helped my fast go by quickly.

Its good to know that anytime anyone wants to have some pass time he can always rely on the likes of Berky etc. I am sure you are really busy but just stick around for people who need to pass time.

Berky, avromy7, angry Menachem, etc.

You are the best friends one can have.

Stay right there. I might want you after mincha.

gtg
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:01:41 PM

https://tips.fbi.gov/
The amount of false claims far outweigh the legitimate ones. Ask anyone who is involved in legal and fraud.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:05:56 PM
Pollack, you promised quick returns a year ago. No one has seen a penny. Yet you, shragi, moskowitz still do not stop taking more money from people . You continue to make false promises. You are all scam artists.

Aren't other leaders?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 04:07:39 PM
Has any investor seen a penny? NO.
Were they promised a 250% return in 2 weeks? Yes.
how many dates have been given to all of when they will get their money? Too many!
  All the investors are waiting for their E-Wallets to fill up!... every day is another story.
 

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:12:46 PM
Has any investor seen a penny? NO.
Were they promised a 250% return in 2 weeks? Yes.
how many dates have been given to all of when they will get their money? Too many!
  All the investors are waiting for their E-Wallets to fill up!... every day is another story.
 

That's very very true!!! Don't mean repeat myself but aren't they're others leaders that are just as responsible as the ones you listed?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:15:21 PM
Seriously?!! All of a sudden the thread goes quiet?!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:24:33 PM

http://www.sec.gov/complaint/tipscomplaint.shtml
Claims/complaints are supposed to be submitted if you have an actual case with proof, not based on frustration, anger, doubt or bordom.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:27:07 PM

Has any investor seen a penny? NO.
Were they promised a 250% return in 2 weeks? Yes.
how many dates have been given to all of when they will get their money? Too many!
  All the investors are waiting for their E-Wallets to fill up!... every day is another story.
I have heard about this, however, that is far from substantive proof. Sounds more like frustration and impatience.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Ergel on January 01, 2015, 04:28:08 PM
I have heard about this, however, that is far from substantive proof. Sounds more like frustration and impatience.
LOL
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:33:46 PM

Has any investor seen a penny? NO.
Were they promised a 250% return in 2 weeks? Yes.
how many dates have been given to all of when they will get their money? Too many!
  All the investors are waiting for their E-Wallets to fill up!... every day is another story.
As a suggestion from a legal perspective, you may want to investigate how you will respond should those that you are attacking take legal action against you for character defamation. Under law, you simply cannot post your frustrations with fraudulent claims under the guise of justice.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:35:33 PM

I have heard about this, however, that is far from substantive proof. Sounds more like frustration and impatience.

At what point of waiting would you agree it's a scam?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Boruch999 on January 01, 2015, 04:36:11 PM
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_D60xnL33mvQ/SJpOjH8CwcI/AAAAAAAAADc/JcTvNBkxd20/s1600/troll.gif)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:36:24 PM

As a suggestion from a legal perspective, you may want to investigate how you will respond should those that you are attacking take legal action against you for character defamation. Under law, you simply cannot post your frustrations with fraudulent claims under the guise of justice.

Truth is the defense. 
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:38:09 PM
At what point of waiting would you agree it's a scam?
I haven't a clue, but since when does waiting denote a scam? Simple impatience? And you are willing to publicly defame others in the name of impatience? That is irresponsible, immoral and illegal, my friend.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:39:58 PM

I haven't a clue, but since when does waiting denote a scam? Simple impatience? And you are willing to publicly defame others in the name of impatience?

You really don't have a clue?  Give me a number of years. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:41:37 PM

You really don't have a clue?  Give me a number of years.
Once again, time should be irrelevant. Time does not give anyone the license to do what you are doing.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:42:46 PM
What facts would there have to be in this case so that you are comfortable in conceding that this is a scam?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:44:14 PM

Truth is the defense.
You have no defense. Clearly, your defense is frustration and impatience. Once again, I can tell you from my vast legal experience, what you are doing here is beyond questionable.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:45:19 PM

You have no defense. Clearly, your defense is frustration and impatience. Once again, I can tell you from my vast legal experience, what you are doing here is beyond questionable.

And from my vast legal experience I can tell you that you are in big trouble.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:45:27 PM
What facts would there have to be in this case so that you are comfortable in conceding that this is a scam?

He's side tracking you!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:46:06 PM

He's side tracking you!!

He's not. He will have no answer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:46:09 PM

What facts would there have to be in this case so that you are comfortable in conceding that this is a scam?
From a legal standpoint, you would have to provide documentation that those involved have conspired to gather funds for phantom causes. Innocent until proven guilty.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 04:46:39 PM
I have heard about this, however, that is far from substantive proof. Sounds more like frustration and impatience.
Mike, Mike, Mike...
Speak to anyone who put money in, did any part, any!, of the leader's promise come to fruition?!
After a year of constant promises, almost daily, was any principal money returned? How about any percentages above principal, which was promised? Even 1%?
Did any investor get or see anything in writing, a proper legal document linking themselves to Sungame? Who in their right mind today takes money from investors with no legal paper trail? You know who? Scammers!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:47:16 PM

From a legal standpoint, you would have to provide documentation that those involved have conspired to gather funds for phantom causes. Innocent until proven guilty.

I didn't ask you for a general answer in fraud or Rule 10b-5. I'm asking you about this case.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:48:25 PM

And from my vast legal experience I can tell you that you are in big trouble.
Me? That would be quite difficult since I am absolutely not involved in any way. Perhaps I did not make that clear. Your frustration does not incriminate others, facts do. I am simply reading these posts, and find the lack of legitimate facts quite remarkable. Carry on, though.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:50:28 PM

Mike, Mike, Mike...
Speak to anyone who put money in, did any part, any!, of the leader's promise come to fruition?!
After a year of constant promises, almost daily, was any principal money returned? How about any percentages above principal, which was promised? Even 1%?
Did any investor get or see anything in writing, a proper legal document linking themselves to Sungame? Who in their right mind today takes money from investors with no legal paper trail? You know who? Scammers!
Once again, my statement has been very consistent. Simply stating that time has elapsed without gain is not a valid claim. Your frustration is clear, but that is about it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:50:46 PM
Let's get the names of these leaders and ask them to verify
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:53:30 PM

He's side tracking you!!
I find this entire group quite entertaining. Without anything more than my own perspective, it appears to me that you are a small group of disgruntled and disappointed people who are taking out their frustration and impatience on others. Perhaps you should step back and reflect on that before proceeding to build a more incriminating case against yourselves.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:54:56 PM
I find this entire group quite entertaining. Without anything more than my own perspective, it appears to me that you are a small group of disgruntled and disappointed people who are taking out their frustration and impatience on others. Perhaps you should step back and reflect on that before proceeding to build a more incriminating case against yourselves.

Why have you been on this forum for the past hour? Isn't there some other way you can spend your time?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 04:55:25 PM
Once again, my statement has been very consistent. Simply stating that time has elapsed without gain is not a valid claim. Your frustration is clear, but that is about it.
The biggest proof is that all these leaders are in bed with Neal Chandran, a world renowned crook. Why would these "frum" leaders get involved with such a person?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:55:33 PM

Let's get the names of these leaders and ask them to verify
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. From a legal perspective, YOU have to prove that they are acting illegally. The "leaders" you are referencing have no obligation to those who "invested." From what I understood from my friend, he purchased tablets. He received tablets. End of story.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:55:44 PM
What's have you got in the gamble to sit here for an HOUR and answer our "frustrations"?!!!
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:56:16 PM
The sad truth is that poster Mike Moore is conceding that investors won't get their principal back but he doesn't believe it's fraud  because the funds collected were not used for undisclosed purposes.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:57:11 PM
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. From a legal perspective, YOU have to prove that they are acting illegally. The "leaders" you are referencing have no obligation to those who "invested." From what I understood from my friend, he purchased tablets. He received tablets. End of story.

I see you keep having a hard time making yourself clear. Are you sure you understood your "friebd" right?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:57:42 PM

Why have you been on this forum for the past hour? Isn't there some other way you can spend your time?
Ordinarily, yes. However, I am resting - and finding this quite interesting and entertaining. Again, please do not allow your collective frustration to dictate your lack of acceptance of reality. My involvement is pure interest.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:57:47 PM

Why have you been on this forum for the past hour? Isn't there some other way you can spend your time?
Ordinarily, yes. However, I am resting - and finding this quite interesting and entertaining. Again, please do not allow your collective frustration to dictate your lack of acceptance of reality. My involvement is pure interest.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 04:58:11 PM

Perhaps I did not make myself clear. From a legal perspective, YOU have to prove that they are acting illegally. The "leaders" you are referencing have no obligation to those who "invested." From what I understood from my friend, he purchased tablets. He received tablets. End of story.

How many tablets? How much did he invest???

You must be that fancy shmancy lawyer that crackpot was talking about on her call to Dan.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:58:29 PM
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. From a legal perspective, YOU have to prove that they are acting illegally. The "leaders" you are referencing have no obligation to those who "invested." From what I understood from my friend, he purchased tablets. He received tablets. End of story.

Your "friend" has know idea what he's talking about!!! He was LIED to!!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 04:59:00 PM

How many tablets? How much did he invest???

You must be that fancy shmancy lawyer that crackpot was talking about on her call to Dan.

The one that said the end is near?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 04:59:54 PM
Ordinarily, yes. However, I am resting - and finding this quite interesting and entertaining. Again, please do not allow your collective frustration to dictate your lack of acceptance of reality. My involvement is pure interest.

This a very weird way to entertain yourself. Don't you think? Gonna have a hard time finding yourself the right girl
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 04:59:58 PM

How many tablets? How much did he invest???

You must be that fancy shmancy lawyer that crackpot was talking about on her call to Dan.
You cannot be seriously asking for numbers on a forum? Crackpot lawyer? I would be fearful in asking which profession you are engaged in with such words and tone.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 05:00:57 PM
Menachem forget mike have you got any names?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 05:02:34 PM
Names?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 05:03:23 PM

This a very weird way to entertain yourself. Don't you think? Gonna have a hard time finding yourself the right girl
Getting personal is not a very professional or socially acceptable direction, Mr. Joe. By doing so, you demonstrate a lack of position, stature of character and general poor manners.
Parenthetical to my response, however, I have a wonderful family with several children. How callous was your line of questioning.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 05:03:31 PM

You cannot be seriously asking for numbers on a forum? Crackpot lawyer? I would be fearful in asking which profession you are engaged in with such words and tone.

My point is that unless he bought a significant amount of tablets he's not a key player here. If he invested $1000 and received one tablet... no big deal.

I happen to run a very successful business and I make my money legitimately. I don't sponge off of others nor do i schnoor from people under guise of making donations to organizations
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 01, 2015, 05:03:43 PM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 05:05:35 PM
Getting personal is not a very professional or socially acceptable direction, Mr. Joe. By doing so, you demonstrate a lack of position, stature of character and general poor manners.
Parenthetical to my response, however, I have a wonderful family with several children. How callous was your line of questioning.

1st no one cares what you think is professional. And second we also don't care about your family.

Names people we need the names of the leaders
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Boruch999 on January 01, 2015, 05:08:53 PM
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Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 05:15:26 PM
Thank you mike for finally shutting your mouth. Now you may leave. Please close the door on your way out its not professional not to.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 05:21:02 PM

Thank you mike for finally shutting your mouth. Now you may leave. Please close the door on your way out its not professional not to.
Still enjoying the entertainment. Carry on.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 05:22:52 PM
Still enjoying the entertainment. Carry on.

When we get some names then your gonna really enjoy it.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 05:28:44 PM

When we get some names then your gonna really enjoy it.
If it is names you seek, look into a phone book. If it is facts and a real claim you seek, you seem to be wasting your time. Move on.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 05:30:44 PM

Thank you mike for finally shutting your mouth. Now you may leave. Please close the door on your way out its not professional not to.
At the end of the day, you are a small pack of rather cowardly, unknowledgable and frustrated people who do not seem to comprehend what it is you are talking about.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 05:31:56 PM

1st no one cares what you think is professional. And second we also don't care about your family.

Names people we need the names of the leaders
I was responding to the rather rude and pointless comment earlier.
Professionalism is clearly not within your means of achievement.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 05:34:52 PM

My point is that unless he bought a significant amount of tablets he's not a key player here. If he invested $1000 and received one tablet... no big deal.

I happen to run a very successful business and I make my money legitimately. I don't sponge off of others nor do i schnoor from people under guise of making donations to organizations
I do not recall saying the friend bought a single tablet. He made a substantial purchase, and is rather happy with it. I, as well as my friend, are in quite legal professionals. Understand me well, you have nothing. Absolutely nothing. Continue to pursue this and I assure you that you will reflect upon this later and realize that you have wasted your time. If it is lives you wish to save, I suggest that you join the ambulance corps.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 05:40:31 PM
Ok next. We need names can someone get the names and post them.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 05:51:47 PM
There are so many names: there is shragie g, avi w, shimi weiss, blobstein, moskowitz..... I am sure there are others.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on January 01, 2015, 05:57:35 PM
After fasting the whole day I can finally sit down to this thread with some popcorn!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:12:36 PM

Is that Moskowitz from Tomchei Shabbos of Monsey?
Last I checked, speaking on a public forum using names constitutes something I know Jews consider forbidden.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:17:31 PM

There are so many names: there is shragie g, avi w, shimi weiss, blobstein, moskowitz..... I am sure there are others.
So surprised and disappointed that people are actually comfortable discussing specific people and use their names on a public platform. The fact that you either justify this irresponsible behavior or have not contemplated just how serious a crime it is defies logic.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 06:17:43 PM
Last I checked, speaking on a public forum using names constitutes something I know Jews consider forbidden.
Last I checked, stealing and scamming, and promoting such, constitutes something I know Jews consider forbidden.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:20:34 PM

Last I checked, stealing and scamming, and promoting such, constitutes something I know Jews consider forbidden.
Apparently, my overarching statement has fallen on deaf ears. You haven't a shred of proof to any of that, deeming YOU the criminals. Fact - you are in violation of character defamation under American law. Your frustration and impatience will not hold up in a court of law should you realize that you have no other form of defense.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AnonymousUser on January 01, 2015, 06:21:00 PM
After fasting the whole day I can finally sit down to this thread with some popcorn!!
I ran out already, and everything is closed for New Years.  
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on January 01, 2015, 06:22:16 PM

I ran out already, and everything is closed for New Years.
Freshly popped is the way to go!
But let's not change the subject, this thing is a SCAM......
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:25:02 PM
Are there any others?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:26:53 PM
There are so many names: there is shragie g, avi w, shimi weiss, blobstein, moskowitz..... I am sure there are others.

Where are these guys from?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Apparently, my overarching statement has fallen on deaf ears. You haven't a shred of proof to any of that, deeming YOU the criminals. Fact - you are in violation of character defamation under American law. Your frustration and impatience will not hold up in a court of law should you realize that you have no other form of defense.
Apparently, my overarching statement has fallen on your deaf ears. Mike, you stole money from people.
You will be prosecuted when they come to get the leaders. You'll have all the time in the world to explain the merits of the Sungame investment to your lawyer.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 06:30:33 PM
Mike moore, it is halachically allowed to let people know who the leaders are. They are Scammers and will continue. People should know. Don't hide behind the Torah law when it benefits you. You cannot pick and choose. People should be aware of who the Scammer are.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 06:37:38 PM
Is that Moskowitz from Tomchei Shabbos of Monsey?
    That is what I heard from a few investors.
Title: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:38:23 PM
Apparently, my overarching statement has fallen on your deaf ears. Mike, you stole money from people.
You will be prosecuted when they come to get the leaders. You'll have all the time in the world to explain the merits of the Sungame investment to your lawyer.
It goes to show how sad your operation and argument is. I stole money?
A. You don't know me or who I am, other than my name.
B. I am not involved in this, but perhaps you missed the first dozen times I've said that.
C. Your frustration is so very apparent, and has taken over your reasoning skills.
D. You clearly haven't the slightest clue about prosecution and the legal system.
E. If I have not invested, I am in no need of a lawyer.
F. I am a lawyer, and your plan of action is cooked and without merit.
If you fellows appreciate the conversation or feel accomplishment from conducting a rather pathetic, baseless, undocumented and exceptionally wasteful discussion, I do encourage you to continue to laboriously make something from absolutely nothing. However, I do warn you that by doing so, you will only be met by more frustration and failure.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:40:34 PM

It goes to show how sad your operation and argument is. I stole money?
A. You don't know me or who I am, other than my name.
B. I am not involved in this, but perhaps you missed the first dozen times I've said that.
C. Your frustration is so very apparent, and has taken over your reasoning skills.
D. You clearly haven't the slightest clue about prosecution and the legal system.
E. If I have not invested, I am in no need of a lawyer.
F. I am a lawyer, and your plan of action is cooked and without merit.
If you fellows appreciate the conversation or feel accomplishment from conducting a rather pathetic, baseless, undocumented and exceptionally wasteful discussion, I do encourage you to continue to laboriously make something from absolutely nothing. However, I do warn you that by doing so, you will only be met by more frustration and failure.

What type of law do you practice?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: AbeBerkowitz on January 01, 2015, 06:41:15 PM
It goes to show how sad your operation and argument is. I stole money?
A. You don't know me or who I am, other than my name.
B. I am not involved in this, but perhaps you missed the first dozen times I've said that.
C. Your frustration is so very apparent, and has taken over your reasoning skills.
D. You clearly haven't the slightest clue about prosecution and the legal system.
E. If I have not invested, I am in no need of a lawyer.
F. I am a lawyer, and your plan of action is cooked and without merit.
If you fellows appreciate the conversation or feel accomplishment from conducting a rather pathetic, baseless, undocumented and exceptionally wasteful discussion, I do encourage you to continue to laboriously make something from absolutely nothing. However, I do warn you that by doing so, you will only be met by more frustration and failure.
  For someone who keeps claiming not to be involved.... you sure seem involved!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:41:46 PM

What type of law do you practice?
One that you surely cannot afford.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DannyNJ on January 01, 2015, 06:42:14 PM

F. I am a lawyer, and your plan of action is cooked and without merit.

"I am a lawyer " LMAO!!!!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:42:31 PM

  For someone who keeps claiming not to be involved.... you sure seem involved!
I speak in general terms, yet you seem to assume a lot.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:42:35 PM

One that you surely cannot afford.

Explain.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: peroneustertius on January 01, 2015, 06:42:45 PM
One that you surely cannot afford.
my fellow yidden, maybe we should save the arguments for a day that isn't one of teshuva and tefilla?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: peroneustertius on January 01, 2015, 06:43:58 PM
my fellow yidden, maybe we should save the arguments for a day that isn't one of teshuva and tefilla?
if these sungame people are indeed scam artists they will get what is coming to them. No point in arguing about it here.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:45:04 PM

"I am a lawyer " LMAO!!!!!

...and I charge so much, so I must be great! I don't know you but you can't afford me.  Lol. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on January 01, 2015, 06:45:06 PM

What type of law do you practice?
  For someone who keeps claiming not to be involved.... you sure seem involved!
He must be the lawyuh she was referring to in the message to Dan
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:46:12 PM

my fellow yidden, maybe we should save the arguments for a day that isn't one of teshuva and tefilla?
I am more than happy to desist once these fellows refrain from making and spreading inflammatory comments about others - which is indeed a component of the day.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:47:11 PM

He must be the lawyuh she was referring to in the message to Dan

Can you imagine a lawyer from Cravath or S&C wasting his time on Dansdeals arguing all day and then sending the bill to the client? No, neither can I.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Aaaron on January 01, 2015, 06:47:54 PM
Perhaps I did not make myself clear. From a legal perspective, YOU have to prove that they are acting illegally. The "leaders" you are referencing have no obligation to those who "invested." From what I understood from my friend, he purchased tablets. He received tablets. End of story.

Apparently, my overarching statement has fallen on deaf ears. You haven't a shred of proof to any of that, deeming YOU the criminals. Fact - you are in violation of character defamation under American law. Your frustration and impatience will not hold up in a court of law should you realize that you have no other form of defense.

You sound like a recent law school graduate.  Grow up and go learn how the legal world works.  You consistently fail to dichotomy the civil and criminal actions being discussed.  Have your friend and the people he invested with bring a defamation suit.  You and I both know it wouldn't get past the initial motion stage.  The defendants have to prove nothing.  Plaintiffs would have to prove falsity.  Good luck with that.
 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:48:07 PM

...and I charge so much, so I must be great! I don't know you but you can't afford me.  Lol.
My apologies, perhaps you can. I'll send you a bill for the time tonight. Please provide me with your address.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:48:44 PM
...and I charge so much, so I must be great! I don't know you but you can't afford me.  Lol. 

HA HA HA "I'm a lawyer black bla bal.....
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 01, 2015, 06:49:55 PM
Hold up guys. Need new batch of popcorn.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:50:08 PM

My apologies, perhaps you can. I'll send you a bill for the time tonight. Please provide me with your address.

Seriously. What type of law do you practice? Don't be afraid. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:51:12 PM

You sound like a recent law school graduate.  Grow up and go learn how the legal world works.  You consistently fail to dichotomy the civil and criminal actions being discussed.  Have your friend and the people he invested with bring a defamation suit.  You and I both know it wouldn't get past the initial motion stage.  The defendants have to prove nothing.  Plaintiffs would have to prove falsity.  Good luck with that.
Thank you for the chuckle. I am quite amused by your words and assumptions. Though I am impressed that you have thus proven my point. The plaintiff must provide falsehood. And therefore, my entire point has come to that - you have no proof at all to the claims you are making.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: zh cohen on January 01, 2015, 06:51:34 PM
Hold up guys. Need new batch of popcorn.

You sharing?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:51:54 PM
Seriously. What type of law do you practice? Don't be afraid. 

He's not a lawyer.  He's one of the leaders of the scam posing as a lawyer. We need some names
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 01, 2015, 06:52:31 PM
You sharing?
Of course. Here you go.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Aaaron on January 01, 2015, 06:53:41 PM
Thank you for the chuckle. I am quite amused by your words and assumptions. Though I am impressed that you have thus proven my point. The plaintiff must provide falsehood. And therefore, my entire point has come to that - you have no proof at all to the claims you are making.

You completely misunderstood me.  If the orchestrators bring a defamation case, they - the Plaintiffs - must prove that something said in this thread was a lie.  With your reading comprehension skills I'd be surprised if even Thomas Cooley accepted you.

Not one person in this thread has discussed bringing any suit against the scam artists.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:54:27 PM
Have a good evening all. And do appreciate the lovely and entertaining conversation. I wish you all well in your endeavor, though I do apologize for my pessimism when I say that I foresee an end to your fruitless waste of time. All the best.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 06:55:08 PM

"I am a lawyer " LMAO!!!!!

http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:55:23 PM
Have a good evening all. And do appreciate the lovely and entertaining conversation. I wish you all well in your endeavor, though I do apologize for my pessimism when I say that I foresee an end to your fruitless waste of time. All the best.

Thanks don't forhet to close the door in your way out. It locks in it's own.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:55:42 PM

He's but he's one if the leaders of the scam posing as a lawyer. We need some names

There's really no need.  You will see them all on VIN and the press will have another field day poking fun of yidden and the blogs will be posting the transcripts like they did in the most  recent sentencing (which was a double chilull Hashem). 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: peroneustertius on January 01, 2015, 06:55:52 PM
Thank you for the chuckle. I am quite amused by your words and assumptions. Though I am impressed that you have thus proven my point. The plaintiff must provide falsehood. And therefore, my entire point has come to that - you have no proof at all to the claims you are making.
ok guys. It's enough. Please stop arguing. The same arguments keep coming back over and over again. You're all just wasting your time arguing about nothing.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 01, 2015, 06:55:55 PM
Now that Mike is off, who bets that Abe will suddenly magically reappear?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:56:17 PM

You completely misunderstood me.  If the orchestrators bring a defamation case, they - the Plaintiffs - must prove that something said in this thread was a lie.  With your reading comprehension skills I'd be surprised if even Thomas Cooley accepted you.

Not one person in this thread has discussed bringing any suit against the scam artists.
Wow. Perhaps it was you who misunderstood. I most certainly understood your point about the character defamation case, though my goal was to prove the nature of the judicial system. By your comment, you thus discredited your own case.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:56:33 PM

http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4

I never get tired of that clip.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 06:57:28 PM

Thanks don't forhet to close the door in your way out. It locks in it's own.
The line was already used, tough guy. I hope you gave yourself a good oat on the back, though.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
There's really no need.  You will see them all on VIN and the press will have another field day poking fun of yidden and the blogs will be posting the transcripts like they did in the most  recent sentencing (which was a double chilull Hashem). 

True. But I know that the leaders read the thread and I soon as you really post all of the names they're gonna stop the collecting of others money and end the scam.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 06:58:49 PM
The line was already used, tough guy. I hope you gave yourself a good oat on the back, though.

Why are you still here again?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Aaaron on January 01, 2015, 06:58:52 PM
Wow. Perhaps it was you who misunderstood. I most certainly understood your point about the character defamation case, though my goal was to prove the nature of the judicial system. By your comment, you thus discredited your own case.

Now I know you're full of s**t.  You clearly know nothing of the judicial system, and I'm almost certain you're guilty of unauthorized practice of law.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 06:59:45 PM

True. But I know that the leaders read the thread and I soon as you really lost all of the names they're knna stop the collecting of others money and end the scam.

I'm hope I'm not that naive, but I can't believe anyone would give them any money now. A simple Google search of the leaders would give anyone pause, even if they can't read a 10-k.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 07:01:18 PM
I'm hope I'm not that naive, but I can't believe anyone would give them any money now. A simple Google search of the leaders would give anyone pause, even if they can't read a 10-k.

They were just asking for more money this week so...... Let's post the names and end this
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: peroneustertius on January 01, 2015, 07:03:34 PM
They were just asking for more money this week so...... Let's lost the names and this
found this article today. Could have made a lot of money shorting this stock if I found the article and this thread earlier. http://m.seekingalpha.com/article/1466721
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 01, 2015, 07:04:58 PM
Someone give me the names and I'll get they're phone numbers and post them so the people can get some clarity to the situation from the sources.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: tablet deal on January 01, 2015, 07:46:09 PM
im looking for a good tablet to take good videos.
from what i am reading here, im not sure this is the place
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: attorneyatlaw on January 01, 2015, 08:03:47 PM
what
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: attorneyatlaw on January 01, 2015, 08:07:06 PM
whats this all about?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: attorneyatlaw on January 01, 2015, 08:07:41 PM
joe?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: attorneyatlaw on January 01, 2015, 08:11:23 PM
that's it? Did everyone forget how to talk?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: attorneyatlaw on January 01, 2015, 08:18:35 PM
OMG,

this thread is terrible! Disgusting.
I can not believe the things I am seeing here.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 08:21:38 PM
well, well it seems we have become quite popular with the lawyers today. how did we get so lucky??
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 01, 2015, 08:30:24 PM

well, well it seems we have become quite popular with the lawyers today. how did we get so lucky??

Lack of billable hours.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 01, 2015, 08:30:43 PM
well, well it seems we have become quite popular with the lawyers today. how did we get so lucky??
Maybe the end is really near... ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 01, 2015, 08:31:09 PM

Maybe the end is really near... ;)

If only!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 01, 2015, 08:50:42 PM
OMG,

this thread is terrible! Disgusting.
I can not believe the things I am seeing here.
It took u only 7min to read the whole thread. Aha.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: attorneyatlaw on January 01, 2015, 08:58:43 PM
Shame on all of you.
Wasting your time is one thing, but gossip and using real names...

What a downgrade to this whole forum.

Get a life people!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 01, 2015, 09:00:25 PM
Why are so many of the posts in this thread from people with so few posts (aside from this thread) is it the same guy churning accounts?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 01, 2015, 09:05:02 PM
Why are so many of the posts in this thread from people with so few posts (aside from this thread) is it the same guy churning accounts?
Sure is and his name is Avi wechsler
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 09:06:33 PM
hey Avromy7 I knew you'd be here,

Thanks for standing by for me for the past three hours.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 09:09:20 PM
Avromi7 where is good ol Berky and good ol bitter-menachem?
are you all here? Waiting to serve your friends-when-in-need?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 01, 2015, 09:12:36 PM
hey Avromy7 I knew you'd be here,

Thanks for standing by for me for the past three hours.
Can you explain why you seem to be so "Nogeia B'dover" on this thread?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: abe pollak on January 01, 2015, 09:16:23 PM
Where did you come in .

I have three very special friends. They sit and wait by the computer for me all day and night. You dont have that loyalty. Sorry.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: JayR on January 01, 2015, 09:27:42 PM
http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4

HAHA, sounds like the quintessential Bubbe (having an issue and blowing it out of proprtion) :)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DMYD on January 01, 2015, 09:48:01 PM
HAHA, sounds like the quintessential Bubbe (having an issue and blowing it out of proprtion) :)
Thats hysterical!!! :'( when was this recording?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on January 01, 2015, 09:52:09 PM

Now this explains everything....


Quoting from a different post because the beginning of the video is very relevant to here!!
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: JayR on January 01, 2015, 10:03:57 PM
July/August when Dan posted this: http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584/

This thread reminded me (the one upthread was blocked):

Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 11:00:07 PM

Sure is and his name is Avi wechsler
Avi - although I never spoke to you directly, is there a way to post simultaneously in order to dispel this myth? The fact that there are those who are interested in instilling fear in others based on such silly allegations is rather annoying at this point.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 01, 2015, 11:11:12 PM
This entire discussion has gone from a claim of fraud and deception in the name of wholehearted justice to one that hosts sound bites and clips posted for laughs and giggles. It is so unfortunate that you have wasted your time taking stabs at people without the facts to back it up. You know full well that there is no case, no investigation and no FBI involvement. Your scare tactic cannot hold its ground.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: gtr nismo on January 01, 2015, 11:30:40 PM
Mike moore u words cannot be expressed any better. And just think twice before you name people.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: gtr nismo on January 01, 2015, 11:33:25 PM
*everyone else shud think twice bout naming people.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: MarkS on January 01, 2015, 11:34:36 PM
Are you all denying that Neil Chandran is a known scam artist?????
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Achas Veachas on January 01, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
LOL
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Chapshnell on January 01, 2015, 11:36:16 PM
When the .... hits the fan.. it stinks.. make an honest living people. suf ganiv litliah
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: elit on January 01, 2015, 11:51:35 PM
Wow what happened today that all these guys are coming to this thread. Is this part of sunames business strategy to defend themselves on ddf. Must be some serious corporation would love to see that boardroom
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 02, 2015, 12:09:42 AM
Wow what happened today that all these guys are coming to this thread. Is this part of sunames business strategy to defend themselves on ddf. Must be some serious corporation would love to see that boardroom
+1 its getting ugly here
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dr Moose on January 02, 2015, 12:14:48 AM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/ziLcI.gif)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 02, 2015, 12:18:45 AM
(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/ziLcI.gif)
+1 ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2015, 01:59:13 AM
OMG,

this thread is terrible! Disgusting.
I can not believe the things I am seeing here.
Banned for duplicate account violation.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2015, 02:00:18 AM
Mike moore u words cannot be expressed any better.

Banned for duplicate account violation.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2015, 02:01:34 AM
im looking for a good tablet to take good videos.
from what i am reading here, im not sure this is the place
Banned for duplicate account violation.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: cholent on January 02, 2015, 02:02:35 AM
Banned for duplicate account violation.

LOL - could've guessed that one  ::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 02, 2015, 02:03:46 AM
LOL - could've guessed that one  ::)
+1 shocker ;D Thanks dan
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Dan on January 02, 2015, 02:04:49 AM
Further trolling will lead to more bans.

Note to anyone who believes that discussion of an actual legitimate deal on an internet forum can cause your money to be locked up in Panama: They took the word "gullible" out of the dictionary.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 02, 2015, 03:06:16 AM
Further trolling will lead to more bans.

Note to anyone who believes that discussion of an actual legitimate deal on an internet forum can cause your money to be locked up in Panama: They took the word "gullible" out of the dictionary.
thanks
I think after being exposed avi wechsler got really scared and went crazy on us
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: JayR on January 02, 2015, 03:08:40 AM
thanks
I think after being exposed avi wechsler got really scared and went crazy on us

Wow. 16 pages in the last 2 days (72 -88)
Exposed on DDF or legally?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on January 02, 2015, 05:01:31 AM
Wowza. Looks like I missed something the last 12 hours.
Banned for duplicate account violation.
Just knew there was plenty of that here lately.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mordyk on January 02, 2015, 09:28:40 AM
Further trolling will lead to more bans.

Note to anyone who believes that discussion of an actual legitimate deal on an internet forum can cause your money to be locked up in Panama: They took the word "gullible" out of the dictionary.
thanks dan! we missed you here all day yesterday!!! :D ;)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: rots5 on January 02, 2015, 09:53:47 AM
Wait so the old rabbi from that monsey yeshiva is not actually selling legit tablets....  ;D ;) ::)
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Menachem613 on January 02, 2015, 11:50:12 AM

Wait so the old rabbi from that monsey yeshiva is not actually selling legit tablets....  ;D ;) ::)

The last legitimate tablets were from Moshe Rabbeinu.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 02, 2015, 11:53:25 AM
The last legitimate tablets were from Moshe Rabbeinu.
+1  ;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on January 02, 2015, 11:54:24 AM
The last legitimate tablets were from Moshe Rabbeinu.
& those broke instantly
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 02, 2015, 11:54:51 AM
& those broke instantly
;D
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: A3 on January 02, 2015, 11:57:02 AM
& those broke instantly
That's they they had the 2.0 version. 
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: J-Man on January 03, 2015, 08:40:22 AM
Wow...This thread sure became active again. Oke, the latest news I have is two part. Neil will step down as CEO as he is under investigation (but will remain director of Sun Games).
The IRS is looking into Sun Games for possible scams as people put in the describtion line something else then Tablet purchase or something like that, but investment or something.
The IRS hope to finish by the 9th of Januari and if that is done succesfully we will have excess to our Panama-accounts on the 12th. Apparantly the first 200 account have been made
but will not be released until the 12th of januari 2015.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Crazy tools on January 03, 2015, 06:18:26 PM

Wow...This thread sure became active again. Oke, the latest news I have is two part. Neil will step down as CEO as he is under investigation (but will remain director of Sun Games).
The IRS is looking into Sun Games for possible scams as people put in the describtion line something else then Tablet purchase or something like that, but investment or something.
The IRS hope to finish by the 9th of Januari and if that is done succesfully we will have excess to our Panama-accounts on the 12th. Apparantly the first 200 account have been made
but will not be released until the 12th of januari 2015.
And if the IRS is unsuccessful then what's with everyone's money? What are you judging success by?
Januari?? Are you Dutch or just uneducated?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 06:37:07 PM
Wow...This thread sure became active again. Oke, the latest news I have is two part. Neil will step down as CEO as he is under investigation (but will remain director of Sun Games).
The IRS is looking into Sun Games for possible scams as people put in the describtion line something else then Tablet purchase or something like that, but investment or something.
The IRS hope to finish by the 9th of Januari and if that is done succesfully we will have excess to our Panama-accounts on the 12th. Apparantly the first 200 account have been made
but will not be released until the 12th of januari 2015.

And if the IRS is unsuccessful then what's with everyone's money? What are you judging success by?
Januari?? Are you Dutch or just uneducated?
Uuuhhh j-man: what do you mean by your first line? That was your first post on the forums and you just joined. how in the world do you know what the thread used to look like to say that it just started being active again?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 03, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Uuuhhh j-man: what do you mean by your first line? That was your first post on the forums and you just joined. how in the world do you know what the thread used to look like to say that it just started being active again?
It's not the first time he has an account he is a troll just ignore him
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 06:38:40 PM
Just waiting for Dan to shut down J-man for multiple accounts and trolling
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: DMYD on January 03, 2015, 06:41:34 PM
Closed already.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: JayR on January 03, 2015, 06:43:04 PM
Just waiting for Dan to shut down J-man for multiple accounts and trolling
Closed already.
+1
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 06:47:32 PM
Interesting. He messaged at 8:40 AM this morning even if you was in Israel out was  3:40 PM before Shabbos ended. Not saying he's Jewish but...
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: avromie7 on January 03, 2015, 06:49:11 PM
Interesting. He messaged at 8:40 AM this morning even if you was in Israel out was  3:40 PM before Shabbos ended. Not saying he's Jewish but...
Maybe he's in panama
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 06:52:19 PM
Maybe he's in panama
Dan lekaf zechus. Ironic thread.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 03, 2015, 07:11:01 PM
That was your first post on the forums and you just joined. how in the world do you know what the thread used to look like to say that it just started being active again?
He posted before and has been here for months.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Joe622 on January 03, 2015, 07:19:56 PM
Interesting. He messaged at 8:40 AM this morning even if you was in Israel out was  3:40 PM before Shabbos ended. Not saying he's Jewish but...

Maybe it's Neil
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: disko7 on January 03, 2015, 07:21:16 PM

Interesting. He messaged at 8:40 AM this morning even if you was in Israel out was  3:40 PM before Shabbos ended. Not saying he's Jewish but...

maybe he uses the Shabbos app
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 07:22:52 PM
He posted before and has been here for months.

Closed already.
CM what's pshat?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: bermo on January 03, 2015, 07:26:06 PM
CM what's pshat?
He has posts from October
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 07:27:08 PM
He has posts from October
I'm asking why he was shut down? If he has been clean for a white?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 03, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
I'm asking why he was shut down? If he has been clean for a white?
Is he shut down?
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Adam101 on January 03, 2015, 07:31:45 PM
Is he shut down?

Closed already.
And look at his profile. 0 posts.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: TimT on January 03, 2015, 07:34:05 PM
And look at his profile. 0 posts.
Thats because he only posted in this thread & it's now JS
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 03, 2015, 07:34:47 PM
And look at his profile. 0 posts.
When a thread gets moved to JS posts do not count. He only posted in this thread so his count should be zero. It does not help one's case when wrong info is posted.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
Post by: Mike Moore on January 03, 2015, 07:52:37 PM
All of the assumptions. All of the gossip. All of the fantasies about the FBI and IRS. All the talk about multiple accounts and trolling. This group sure is in need of entertainment. My apologies for the news, but I am who I claim to be, and this is my sole account. While you are certainly free to make any claim you wish, your goal in perpetuating this thread is fraught with childish nonsense, silly accusations and false information. You are a group of frustrated novices who are desperately encouraging others to buy into your baseless cause with pathetic antics and scare tactics. Plain and simple.
Title: Re: Scam Alert Sungames
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