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Title: America's Got Talent
Post by: moka on June 18, 2014, 08:11:15 PM
The jokes are dirty so viewer discretion is advised.
http://youtu.be/lFVQqcz22L4
And he made it to the next round.
Title: Re: 12-Year-Old jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On AGT
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 08:13:36 PM
Disgusting. & the father is shepping nachos.
Title: Re: 12-Year-Old jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On AGT
Post by: DP7 on June 18, 2014, 08:17:21 PM

The jokes are dirty so viewer discretion is advised.
http://youtu.be/lFVQqcz22L4
And he made it to the next round.

Repost.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bubble347 on June 18, 2014, 08:28:14 PM
Really disgusting, he should remove his kippah next time before he goes on stage to minimize chilul hashem. 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 08:31:01 PM
Really disgusting, he should remove his kippah next time before he goes on stage to minimize chilul hashem.
Like the judge on the left
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 18, 2014, 08:33:21 PM
Torah U'Madah
#enoughsaid
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bubble347 on June 18, 2014, 08:34:52 PM
Like the judge on the left
Don't get me started on him, my car came with complimentary sirius XM radio and boy is he a piece of work!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Joe4007 on June 18, 2014, 08:49:27 PM
Repost.
Not anymore
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 18, 2014, 08:59:04 PM
Unbelievable. 

This is why we won't expose our children to the culture in this sick country.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 09:04:23 PM
Unbelievable. 

This is why we won't expose our children to the culture in this sick country.
You mean "sick world". It's everywhere.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 18, 2014, 09:04:55 PM
You mean "sick world". It's everywhere.
But starts in hollywood.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Shmelly on June 18, 2014, 09:12:19 PM
Like the judge on the left
And on the right.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 09:15:02 PM
And on the right.
Who is he ?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Shmelly on June 18, 2014, 09:30:35 PM
Howie Mandel.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on June 18, 2014, 10:45:06 PM
And on the right.

Beat me to it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 18, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
Meh wasn't even that funny, he's going nowhere
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 18, 2014, 10:55:24 PM
I agree. His delivery wasn't even good... I can't believe all four said yes.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 18, 2014, 11:02:08 PM
He's a child. How is this even legal??
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 18, 2014, 11:02:36 PM
He's a child. How is this even legal??

What's not legal about it?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bubble347 on June 18, 2014, 11:03:13 PM
I agree. His delivery wasn't even good... I can't believe all four said yes.
I don't think they felt like they had a choice they would have been coined antisemitic otherwise.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 11:06:04 PM
I don't think they felt like they had a choice they would have been coined antisemitic otherwise.
Even if the judges themselves are jewish ?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 18, 2014, 11:06:17 PM
I don't think they felt like they had a choice they would have been coined antisemitic otherwise.
You're kidding, or else you're clueless.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 11:08:11 PM
They know exactly when they're going to dump him.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 18, 2014, 11:09:58 PM
I don't think they felt like they had a choice they would have been coined antisemitic otherwise.
-1 I disagree. They could have said no. They liked him. His delivery wasn't bad, though it wasn't great. It was the combination of 'funny' inappropriate jokes coming from such a young kid that got him through.

Meanwhile I don't think he'll get past the next round.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on June 18, 2014, 11:12:01 PM
Stupid.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bubble347 on June 18, 2014, 11:13:31 PM
You're kidding, or else you're clueless.
Was just trying to stir up the pot a bit ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 18, 2014, 11:14:33 PM
What's not legal about it?
Quote
Sexual Abuse

Sexual abuse happens when a child is raped or forced to commit a sexual act. But it's also any sort of sexual contact with a child or any behavior that is meant..... sexual abuse also includes:

    making a child pose or perform for pornographic pictures or videos
    telling a child dirty jokes or stories
    showing a child pornographic material
    forcing a child to undress
     
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 18, 2014, 11:16:57 PM
While I have no doubt the parents didn't stop him (in fact they seemed to be schepping nachas backstage), any kid only has to go on the internet or watch some tv to hear dirty jokes and stories like this.

I'm sure lots of 12 year old kids watch Americas Got Talent!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: moka on June 18, 2014, 11:17:36 PM

it was a child telling the jokes to adults without force. I don't see any legal issues
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 18, 2014, 11:22:56 PM
it was a child telling the jokes to adults without force. I don't see any legal issues
The "Father" who abused this child be encouraging him to and teaching him jokes of a sexual nature is guilty of child abuse and should be jailed.

The judges or whoever runs/owns this TV show should not have children telling jokes of a sexual nature. Its not just in bad taste, its illegal. The child is being exploited by his parents and the show.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 18, 2014, 11:24:12 PM
http://www.lohud.com/story/suburbarazzi/2014/06/18/white-plains-sixth-grader-josh-orlian-shocks-americas-got-talent-judges-raunchy-comedy-routine/10752089/?fullsite=true


+1 to the comments btw
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: moka on June 18, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
I wonder if he's going to continue with the dirty jokes next round.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on June 18, 2014, 11:35:51 PM
Disregarding the nature of the jokes, he actually didn't sound funny at all IMHO.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 18, 2014, 11:51:53 PM

The "Father" who abused this child be encouraging him to and teaching him jokes of a sexual nature is guilty of child abuse and should be jailed.

The judges or whoever runs/owns this TV show should not have children telling jokes of a sexual nature. Its not just in bad taste, its illegal. The child is being exploited by his parents and the show.
Dude it's not illegal, get over it
Disregarding the nature of the jokes, he actually didn't sound funny at all IMHO.
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 18, 2014, 11:54:49 PM
I wonder if he's going to continue with the dirty jokes next round.
He has to. That's what got him past this round.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 12:00:50 AM
Dude it's not illegal, get over it +1
if some creep told dirty jokes to your kid it would be illegal, no?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 19, 2014, 12:14:03 AM
if some creep told dirty jokes to your kid it would be illegal, no?
Why are you obsessed with trying to convince DDF that what this kid did is illegal? Like others have said, its not illegal, get over it.
Was it horrifying to watch? Absolutely. Is it hard to wrap your head around seeing a kid with a yarmulke tell jokes like that and his parents behind him? Absolutely. Is it illegal? NO!
Ok?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 12:17:45 AM
Why are you obsessed with trying to convince DDF that what this kid did is illegal? Like others have said, its not illegal, get over it.
Was it horrifying to watch? Absolutely. Is it hard to wrap your head around seeing a kid with a yarmulke tell jokes like that and his parents behind him? Absolutely. Is it illegal? NO!
Ok?
I guess my point is that this should be wrong not just from a frum/Torah perspective.
There is something wrong with society if this is totally cool and legal.
Just MHO.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 12:24:32 AM
I guess my point is that this should be wrong not just from a frum/Torah perspective.
There is something wrong with society if this is totally cool and legal.
Just MHO.
You didn't mean that. You meant it was illegal. Now you're modifying your position.
Your modified position is a very good point.

(I'm not trying to start an argument, just stating the obvious).
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 19, 2014, 12:42:52 AM

Why are you obsessed with trying to convince DDF that what this kid did is illegal? Like others have said, its not illegal, get over it.
Was it horrifying to watch? Absolutely. Is it hard to wrap your head around seeing a kid with a yarmulke tell jokes like that and his parents behind him? Absolutely. Is it illegal? NO!
Ok?
thanks mate, well said
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: smurf on June 19, 2014, 12:48:00 AM
Disregarding the nature of the jokes, he actually didn't sound funny at all IMHO.
+1 unwatchable, bad delivery and honestly after the first punchline, you knew exactly where every other joke was headed
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: AJK on June 19, 2014, 12:53:38 AM
The "Father" who abused this child be encouraging him to and teaching him jokes of a sexual nature is guilty of child abuse and should be jailed.

The judges or whoever runs/owns this TV show should not have children telling jokes of a sexual nature. Its not just in bad taste, its illegal. The child is being exploited by his parents and the show.

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?  ::)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moes Tavern on June 19, 2014, 02:03:09 AM
http://finkorswim.com/2014/06/18/orthodox-jewish-kid-shocks-americas-got-talent/
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: A3 on June 19, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
I guess my point is that this should be wrong not just from a frum/Torah perspective.
There is something wrong with society if this is totally cool and legal.
Just MHO.


we all know society is screwed up these days.

Tell us something we don't know.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 07:32:26 AM
FTR I personally think that it IS illegal to tell children jokes of a sexual nature. For some reason this position is very disturbing to virtually everyone here on DDF. People were literally getting nervous! -so I backed down from espousing this POV here... We can continue debating the legality of this if anyone is interested. Let me know.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: A3 on June 19, 2014, 07:42:43 AM
Who says the father or anyone told him.... The boy said he writes them himself during clas...
Title: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on June 19, 2014, 08:44:01 AM
http://finkorswim.com/2014/06/18/orthodox-jewish-kid-shocks-americas-got-talent/
Why am I not  surprised at his opinion?
From the last two articles of his that I read I can conclude:
A secular Jew's life is saved because he decides to change his flight so as not to fly on shabbos = chillul hashem, and is bad for Orthodox Jews to publicize and celebrate.
Orthodox Jewish kid tells horribly dirty jokes to millions = not a chillul hashem and good for Orthodox Judaism.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 09:08:33 AM
Why am I not  surprised at his opinion?
From the last two articles of his that I read I can conclude:
A secular Jew's life is saved because he decides to change his flight so as not to fly on shabbos = chillul hashem, and is bad for Orthodox Jews to publicize and celebrate.
Orthodox Jewish kid tells horribly dirty jokes to millions = not a chillul hashem and good for Orthodox Judaism.
This is typical of the people who are taught that the must live their lives to impress and blend with the nations... Nebach.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 19, 2014, 09:37:00 AM
Why am I not  surprised at his opinion?
From the last two articles of his that I read I can conclude:
A secular Jew's life is saved because he decides to change his flight so as not to fly on shabbos = chillul hashem, and is bad for Orthodox Jews to publicize and celebrate.
Orthodox Jewish kid tells horribly dirty jokes to millions = not a chillul hashem and good for Orthodox Judaism.

This is Modoxy.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 19, 2014, 09:38:16 AM
This is Modoxy.
Yes, but for those opinions you need some stupidity as well.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 09:41:26 AM
Everyone who says that it's all just because he's modern or what not is being ridiculous. Yes, it means he's exposed to the world but it's all what you teach your kids and who you are.
I know plenty of non frum and not Jewish people who would never in a million years teach their kids such jokes and let their kids talk that way let alone in public.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 19, 2014, 09:43:26 AM
Everyone who says that it's all just because he's modern or what not is being ridiculous. Yes, it means he's exposed to the world but it's all what you teach your kids and who you are.
I know plenty of non frum and not Jewish people who would never in a million years teach their kids such jokes and let their kids talk that way let alone in public.
+1,000,000
Very well said, thank you!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 09:46:07 AM
Everyone who says that it's all just because he's modern or what not is being ridiculous. Yes, it means he's exposed to the world but it's all what you teach your kids and who you are.
I know plenty of non frum and not Jewish people who would never in a million years teach their kids such jokes and let their kids talk that way let alone in public.
Well by planting children in front of a TV from age 2 is a assuring that they will absorb the degenerate TV culture.
If they do this, they are indeed teaching their children perversion and kefira and this (josh) is who they will become.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 09:51:59 AM
Well by planting children in front of a TV from age 2 is a assuring that they will absorb the degenerate TV culture.
If they do this, they are indeed teaching their children perversion and kefira and this (josh) is who they will become.

Planting your kid in front of a TV and not monitoring what they watch as they grow older is indeed a very bad idea.

(Side note, apparently putting your kid in front of a movie, or iPad as long as they're watching something kosher is apparently "ok" in the yeshivish world as I see many many parents doing just that. )

 Again, this has to do with good parenting, not what sect you're part of.
There are plenty of good parents out there who are raising their kids right in all different types of environments.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 19, 2014, 09:53:36 AM

Why am I not  surprised at his opinion?
From the last two articles of his that I read I can conclude:
A secular Jew's life is saved because he decides to change his flight so as not to fly on shabbos = chillul hashem, and is bad for Orthodox Jews to publicize and celebrate.
Orthodox Jewish kid tells horribly dirty jokes to millions = not a chillul hashem and good for Orthodox Judaism.
Take a look at the comments and you'll see that most of his readers don't agree with him. I believe his motivation behind most of these posts stems not from a true belief in his opinion but from a desire to simply stir up controversy.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 19, 2014, 09:54:11 AM
Well by planting children in front of a TV from age 2 is a assuring that they will absorb the degenerate TV culture.
If they do this, they are indeed teaching their children perversion and kefira and this (josh) is who they will become.
Wrong.
Tons of modox and secular people shelter their kids from that kid of dirt, and instill values in their kids that promotes dignity and uprightness, and would never let their children watch that audition!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 09:56:40 AM
Planting your kid in front of a TV and not monitoring what they watch as they grow older is indeed a very bad idea.

(Side note, apparently putting your kid in front of a movie, or iPad as long as they're watching something kosher is apparently "ok" in the yeshivish world as I see many many parents doing just that. )

 Again, this has to do with good parenting, not what sect you're part of.
There are plenty of good parents out there who are raising their kids right in all different types of environments.
Yes, something like "Boruch learns his brochos" or "the marvelous Midos machine" etc. Everything elses (even "kid" shows) are tainted with a culture of moral decadence. 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 09:59:05 AM
Yes, something like "Boruch learns his brochos" or "the marvelous Midos machine" etc. Everything elses (even "kid" shows) are tainted with a culture of moral decadence.

Not tainted, I just was trying to imply how sticking your kid in front of anything all the time is a bad idea. No matter what they're watching.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 09:59:33 AM
Wrong.
Tons of modox and secular people shelter their kids from that kid of dirt, and instill values in their kids that promotes dignity and uprightness, and would never let their children watch that audition!
In a slightly modern high school that I am familiar with, they will not filter the internet access as a matter of principle!
They encourage free exposure to the culture...

Im sure that there are families that are careful, but as a community in general they are not.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 10:08:15 AM
In a slightly modern high school that I am familiar with, they will not filter the internet access as a matter of principle!
They encourage free exposure to the culture...

Im sure that there are families that are careful, but as a community in general they are not.


Obviously as a community they are more exposed. That's one of the things that makes them 'modern' so to say.

I wholeheartedly agree with you that media today is worse than its ever been.
I agree that media can and does expose things to kids you don't want them seeing.

I also believe it's a parents job, not the schools to teach their kids proper middos and morals.


Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 19, 2014, 10:12:36 AM
I also believe it's a parents job, not the schools to teach their kids proper middos and morals.

No. It's both equally. Of course, it's your fault if you send your child to a modox school and then expect other results.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Menachem613 on June 19, 2014, 10:15:45 AM

No. It's both equally. Of course, it's your fault if you send your child to a modox school and then expect other results.

Excuse me?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 19, 2014, 10:21:56 AM
Excuse me?

Other results than the hashkafa of that particular modox school.
If you misunderstood my point.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 10:23:07 AM
No. It's both equally. Of course, it's your fault if you send your child to a modox school and then expect other results.

Well, it all depends how you look at it. I think it's a parents job. Part of their job is choosing a school.

Meanwhile the problem lies near to what you mentioned. Parents don't do their job and then send their kids to school (modox,public, yeshivish, chassidish) and expect results.



Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 10:31:47 AM
No one is saying that all Modox 12 year olds would say such jokes on national TV.

But one of the reasons we stay away from the secular culture, is to avoid this result.

I'm much more appalled at the father and his smiles - it makes me sick to the stomach.

And everyone on this forum knows that that father/son duo could have only come from the Modox community. Not from any other. (Besides for 1 chassidic sect, but I don't want to stir up controversy).


I hope that family gets thrown out of their shul.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 19, 2014, 10:46:52 AM
http://www.lohud.com/story/suburbarazzi/2014/06/18/white-plains-sixth-grader-josh-orlian-shocks-americas-got-talent-judges-raunchy-comedy-routine/10752089/?fullsite=true
very interesting take on the situation.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 11:02:44 AM
No one is saying that all Modox 12 year olds would say such jokes on national TV.

But one of the reasons we stay away from the secular culture, is to avoid this result.

I'm much more appalled at the father and his smiles - it makes me sick to the stomach.

And everyone on this forum knows that that father/son duo could have only come from the Modox community. Not from any other. (Besides for 1 chassidic sect, but I don't want to stir up controversy).


I hope that family gets thrown out of their shul.


The only difference between low class people in the modox world and low class people in the frummer worlds is that the ones from the modox world are more public about it while the ones from the frum world are generally more hidden. That's about it.
Yes, there are pros to keeping kids sheltered to a degree. The problem is we're so focused on keeping kids sheltered and keeping the "bad" out that no one is focusing on working on the good.


Frankly it's silly to sit here saying look what happens when you're Modern Orthodox. The same way it's not right when others say "Look what happens when you're religious' towards the many inappropriate things that Yeshivish and Chassidish people do.

You can raise good kids anywhere. And just because you live in the modern world doesn't mean they'll come out bad. And just because you live in a more sheltered world does not mean they will come out good.

I'd be sad to see any kid making such jokes. He's too young, and they're too inappropriate.
And yes, it's sad. Because we hope Jewish people hold themselves to a higher standard. But we both know that isn't always the case. Not in the Modern Orthodox world and not in the more sheltered communities (Yeshivish, Chassidish etc).

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 19, 2014, 11:04:59 AM
You can raise good kids anywhere. And just because you live in the modern world doesn't mean they'll come out bad. And just because you live in a more sheltered world does not mean they will come out good.
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: A3 on June 19, 2014, 11:06:46 AM
And just because someone tells dirty jokes does not mean they will come out bad.

Mods please reopen the deleted dirty joked thread. (was alive for an hour)
JK ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 11:09:13 AM
And just because someone tells dirty jokes does not mean they will come out bad.

Mods please reopen the deleted dirty joked thread. (was alive for an hour)
JK ;)

Lol, while I am not a fan of any dirty jokes, I too agree on this to a degree.
There is a fine line even when talking about dirty jokes, but that's a different topic.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 11:11:22 AM



I hope that family gets thrown out of their shul.


Seriously? You think that will help them become better Yidden?
Or help the people at their shul become better Yidden?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DMYD on June 19, 2014, 11:23:07 AM
And I think it wasn't funny at all! and most people in the crowd didn't even know when they are supposed to start laughing. 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: stbaum on June 19, 2014, 11:33:06 AM
ugh. despicable! i couldn't get through 2 minutes. i stopped after he said nuts... gross!! inappropriate regardless of religion. sick sick sick.
this is his dad: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GnG1DqI16lM
the yarmulke was just an added shock factor.
now we all know what his p'shetal will sound like...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on June 19, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
Go ahead and blame the chinuch for messing up his mind. I'll put my money on the cholov akum.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avromie7 on June 19, 2014, 12:29:29 PM
Why are you saying the problem is eating some thing that is 100% kosher?!?!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on June 19, 2014, 12:33:10 PM
100% kosher?!?!
it's not, but wrong thread
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ysteichman on June 19, 2014, 12:35:36 PM
Bottom line: The Jewish angle is being overplayed. I would've been just as offended if it was a non-Jewish kid telling these jokes. Totally inappropriate coming from a 12 year old.

I also couldn't believe they all said yes. His delivery was horrendous, it sounded like a Bar Mitzvah speech. The only part that sounded remotely natural was when he said "I didn't know my mom was in the circus".
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avromie7 on June 19, 2014, 12:35:51 PM
I'll trust r' moshe and his sons on that before trusting your twisted halacha
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 12:36:42 PM

This kid is way cuter. :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yitzf on June 19, 2014, 12:43:32 PM

This kid is way cuter. :)

Holy cow!!

Blown awayyyyy
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 19, 2014, 12:44:34 PM

This kid is way cuter. :)
Nice to see that America actually does have some talent :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DovtheBear on June 19, 2014, 12:46:20 PM


Go ahead and blame the chinuch for messing up his mind. I'll put my money on the cholov akum.

Why do you assume he doesn't keep kosher?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: A3 on June 19, 2014, 01:32:36 PM

Why do you assume he doesn't keep kosher?

Ha
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DovtheBear on June 19, 2014, 01:35:30 PM
Ha
He said Chalav Akum, not Chalav Stam. Big difference.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Crazy tools on June 19, 2014, 01:48:40 PM
Who says the father or anyone told him.... The boy said he writes them himself during clas...
Good to know what he thinks about during class
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 19, 2014, 02:12:03 PM
This is Modoxy.
An Ultra Orthodox kid once told me a dirty joke.
#This is Ultra Orthodoxy.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 02:20:54 PM

Seriously? You think that will help them become better Yidden?
Or help the people at their shul become better Yidden?
Do you think sekilah to a zonah in front of the whole klal yisrael made the zonah a better person? Lmaan Yishmau Veyilamdu.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 19, 2014, 02:22:00 PM
Do you think sekilah to a zonah in front of the whole klal yisrael made the zonah a better person? Lmaan Yishmau Veyilamdu.

מקושש עצים
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 02:22:57 PM




Frankly it's silly to sit here saying look what happens when you're Modern Orthodox. The same way it's not right when others say "Look what happens when you're religious' towards the many inappropriate things that Yeshivish and Chassidish people do.

I did not say that this is what happens. But it is what COULD happen.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 02:23:15 PM
מקושש עצים
Him too
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 02:34:26 PM
Do you think sekilah to a zonah in front of the whole klal yisrael made the zonah a better person? Lmaan Yishmau Veyilamdu.

And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Centro on June 19, 2014, 02:37:10 PM

Seriously? You think that will help them become better Yidden?
Or help the people at their shul become better Yidden?
My Rabbi use to say; A מושחת is a משחית!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 19, 2014, 02:42:53 PM
And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech.
+1 million
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 02:51:49 PM
An Ultra Orthodox kid once told me a dirty joke.
#This is Ultra Orthodoxy.
The critical point is that this garbage is absorbed by overexposure to the decadent culture.
The orthodox try to shelter their children from this shmutz with the hope that they will retain a little purity and holiness.
What can the modox hope for if they lechatchila expose their children to shmutz in their living rooms?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 02:52:40 PM
An Ultra Orthodox kid once told me a dirty joke.
#This is Ultra Orthodoxy.
he wouldn't do it on television with the father there since they know they would be ostracized
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 02:56:14 PM
he wouldn't do it on television with the father there since they know they would be ostracized
No. They don't idolize TV stars so they would have no interest in being on AGT in the first place.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on June 19, 2014, 03:13:21 PM
And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech.
Huh? Did I understand you correctly? You think the torahs way of "chinuch" is outdated?

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 19, 2014, 03:17:33 PM
he wouldn't do it on television with the father there since they know they would be ostracized
True, they say it quietly instead. But my point is that taking one instance of one kid and making generalizations about a whole community is ludicrous. Besides, you guys are overreacting, they're just jokes, take a chill pill.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 19, 2014, 03:23:13 PM
The critical point is that this garbage is absorbed by overexposure to the decadent culture.
The orthodox try to shelter their children from this shmutz with the hope that they will retain a little purity and holiness.
What can the modox hope for if they lechatchila expose their children to shmutz in their living rooms?
Not true, most normal people Jewish or not, Orthodox or not, moderate what their kids are allowed to watch. It's called parenting.

You all make it sound like this kid is some yeshiva bochur from lakewood. He's not! He most probably goes to a co-ed school, has a girlfriend, and kids tell each other dirty jokes in class. Don't make such a big deal over a few silly jokes. (as if when we were kids there were no kids telling dirty jokes, please!)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 19, 2014, 03:23:44 PM
all those that feel so strongly against this why did you watch it in the first place? you were warned in the first post.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 03:25:25 PM
all those that feel so strongly against this why did you watch it in the first place? you were warned in the first post.
people are against this??
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on June 19, 2014, 03:29:27 PM


You all make it sound like this kid is some yeshiva bochur from lakewood. He's not! He most probably goes to a co-ed school, has a girlfriend, and kids tell each other dirty jokes in class. Don't make such a big deal over a few silly jokes. (as if when we were kids there were no kids telling dirty jokes, please!)
Yet it was so over the top that the only reason  the judges voted him through was because of how vulgar his jokes were. He definitely didn't get through on his (lack thereof) comedic skills.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 19, 2014, 03:32:39 PM
people are against this??
sure seems many feel this is disgusting but it did not stop them from watching it when warned first.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 19, 2014, 03:45:37 PM
Huh? Did I understand you correctly? You think the torahs way of "chinuch" is outdated?
I assume he was referring to the horrific application of hashkafa hatorah
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 03:48:36 PM
And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech.
When 2 people are having a discussion/argument, and one of them says "And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech" - to me that's a signal that all intelligent dialogue will end from there on.


But honestly, you're blaming children going OTD,  on an attitude that a Shul should throw out a family that made a "Ve'idas Znus" in front of millions of people, and were Mechalel shem shomayim befarhesia?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 03:51:13 PM
I assume he was referring to the horrific application of hashkafa hatorah
Throwing out a family from a Shul for having zero standards and publicly behaving immorally is a "horrific application of Hashkafas HaTorah"? I would say no.

But it is a horrific application of Torah Umada - that I agree.

 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 04:16:49 PM
When 2 people are having a discussion/argument, and one of them says "And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech" - to me that's a signal that all intelligent dialogue will end from there on.


But honestly, you're blaming children going OTD,  on an attitude that a Shul should throw out a family that made a "Ve'idas Znus" in front of millions of people, and were Mechalel shem shomayim befarhesia?
I agree. Excuse the comment. I was just venting.


Nothing is ever black and white. The truth is none of us can give any opinion until we know the facts. Who the family is, where they go to shul and what their connection with Gd and religion is.
Throwing someone out isn't necessarily helpful to him or the congregation.
 


Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sillypainter on June 19, 2014, 04:21:22 PM
Am I only one who didn't get any of the jokes? I must be a VERY clean person ;-)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 04:22:15 PM
@boruch, He has already been embraced by many modern orthodox bloggers/ rabbis as a hero and a mekadesh Shem shomyim!

Don't you realize, finally we are cool and part of the modern world, this is going to end anti Semitism!

Trust me, nobody's is throwing him out of shul
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 19, 2014, 04:26:02 PM
Am I only one who didn't get any of the jokes? I must be a VERY clean person ;-)
which one do you want explained?  :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: chaimmayer on June 19, 2014, 04:30:40 PM
I am happy I am not hype principal of his school!
My bet is the best thing he could do is to just ignore it.
Lucky for him it aired now after school is over.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ad120 on June 19, 2014, 04:33:57 PM
He is from White Plains,  NY. Doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 06:20:17 PM
Am I only one who didn't get any of the jokes? I must be a VERY clean person ;-)

Good point. All the others who want him thrown out off shul, I'm curious as to how you got the jokes.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
Good point. All the others who want him thrown out off shul, I'm curious as to how you got the jokes.
From the treif internet.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 19, 2014, 06:50:10 PM
From the treif internet.

Thank Gd no one's thrown you out of shul yet.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 19, 2014, 07:01:16 PM
His father attempted stand up comedy a few years back and used the same joke almost word for word. There's video footage floating around.
Clearly plenty of this dirty humor is coming from the home.
The only word that comes to mind here is "nebach."
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 07:14:32 PM
I know someone who looked into a rabbinical position somewhere out of town and found out that there was a family in the frum school that the mother works for the adult entertainment industry, and not as an executive. On the one hand it is a nebach, but in the other hand at least they send their kids to the frum school.   אפילו ריקנים שבכם מלאים מצוות כרימון. We don't know what is doing with the family etc.
Title: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 19, 2014, 07:24:25 PM
That's why I said nebach and not sick or disgusting. It's sad the kid was raised this way and believes it's normal to think like that.
I think the fact that a twelve year old kid is telling these jokes is a lot sadder than the fact that it's a Jewish kid doing so.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 19, 2014, 07:31:19 PM
I think the fact that a twelve year old kid is telling these jokes is a lot sadder than the fact that it's a Jewish kid doing so.
i agree but if he was not Jewish this thread would be a few posts long at best.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: joeb1 on June 19, 2014, 07:38:23 PM
He is from White Plains,  NY. Doesn't surprise me.
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
He's not from your corner of Lakewood or boro park so you trash the whole community.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 07:56:09 PM
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
He's not from your corner of Lakewood or boro park so you trash the whole community.
let's just say that the types that I mentioned above are more likely there
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Lou Bob on June 19, 2014, 08:08:17 PM
let's just say that the types that I mentioned above are more likely there
What the hell is that supposed to mean?
He's not from your corner of Lakewood or boro park so you trash the whole community.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 08:17:08 PM
Those are the facts! It is unlikely that they would be comfortable in Lakewood.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on June 19, 2014, 08:48:32 PM
I feel bad for this boy, because now Chase is going to shut down all his accounts.
Nebach, no dansdealing in his future.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on June 19, 2014, 08:49:05 PM
I feel bad for this boy, because now Chase is going to shut down all his accounts.
Nebach, no dansdealing in his future.
Is that what happened to you?

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 19, 2014, 08:50:11 PM
I feel bad for this boy, because now Chase is going to shut down all his accounts.
Nebach, no dansdealing in his future.
They weren't shutting down dirtbag comedians.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on June 19, 2014, 08:57:23 PM


And everyone on this forum knows that that father/son duo could have only come from the Modox community. Not from any other. (Besides for 1 chassidic sect, but I don't want to stir up controversy).


I hope that family gets thrown out of their shul.
What do you mean?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 19, 2014, 08:59:25 PM
What do you mean?
"but I don't want to stir up controversy"
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on June 19, 2014, 09:10:21 PM
Am I only one who didn't get any of the jokes?
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on June 19, 2014, 09:13:39 PM
+1
Aren't you a rapest?

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 19, 2014, 09:13:49 PM
let's just say that the types that I mentioned above are more likely there
where do the types that are comfortable telling loshon harah about a whole town of Jews come from?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on June 19, 2014, 09:19:48 PM
Aren't you a rapest?
:o

You must be a modox.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 09:35:24 PM
where do the types that are comfortable telling loshon harah about a whole town of Jews come from?
I don't understand what is so offensive about what I said. Using the example that I gave, that mother is obviously not so religious. Where will that family feel more comfortable? It doesn't take major thought to realize that they are not likely to get comfortable in Lakewood and are more likely to feel accepted by a more modern community. I don't think that means something wrong with that community just like it should not be controversial that groups more involved in outreach are more likely to have such people affiliated with them. I alluded to that previously but I guess the chip on your shoulder precludes your realizing that.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 19, 2014, 09:36:31 PM
Where will that family feel more comfortable? It doesn't take major thought to realize that they are not likely to get comfortable in Lakewood and are more likely to feel accepted by a more modern community. I don't think that means something wrong with that community=

It is something wrong - with Lakewood
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 09:39:18 PM
It is something wrong - with Lakewood
that depends what it is that would make them feel uncomfortable
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 19, 2014, 09:41:46 PM
I don't understand what is so offensive about what I said. Using the example that I gave, that mother is obviously not so religious. Where will that family feel more comfortable? It doesn't take major thought to realize that they are not likely to get comfortable in Lakewood and are more likely to feel accepted by a more modern community. I don't think that means something wrong with that community just like it should not be controversial that groups more involved in outreach are more likely to have such people affiliated with them. I alluded to that previously but I guess the chip on your shoulder precludes your realizing that.
I am not modox. just don't appreciate people committing אסורי דארוייתא while saying others aren't frum enough
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 09:42:42 PM
Btw, I find it interesting that the people who are quick to accuse of lashon hara have no qualms speaking about those more yeshivish than them >:(
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 09:43:48 PM
I am not modox. just don't appreciate people committing אסורי דארוייתא while saying others aren't frum enough
I think the issue is more in your interpretation than in what was said
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 09:46:26 PM
He probably...maybe...possibly...wouldn't be accepted to any school in lakewood anyway..
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 19, 2014, 09:51:49 PM
Btw, I find it interesting that the people who are quick to accuse of lashon hara have no qualms speaking about those more yeshivish than them >:(
?? did I say anything about ppl more yeshivish... why do we need to pit groups of people against each other
I think the issue is more in your interpretation than in what was said
the chofetz chaim says you can't say people in x neighborhood don't say shalom in the street.... not sure how what you said is not worse
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 19, 2014, 10:33:38 PM
?? did I say anything about ppl more yeshivish... why do we need to pit groups of people against each other
I am not the one who brought Lakewood into the conversation or started accusing people of things.
the chofetz chaim says you can't say people in x neighborhood don't say shalom in the street.... not sure how what you said is not worse
Not sure how it is similar. Please explain yourself.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 19, 2014, 10:43:37 PM
I am not the one who brought Lakewood into the conversation or started accusing people of things.Not sure how it is similar. Please explain yourself.
are we resorting to a" he hit me first"
also, I confused you with the person who made the white plains comment I apologize...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 19, 2014, 10:54:45 PM
Meanwhile, everyone is excited to watch his next bit.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on June 19, 2014, 10:58:03 PM

Meanwhile, everyone is excited to watch his next bit.
I doubt that there will be one.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: AI-TRAVEL on June 19, 2014, 11:02:18 PM
Meanwhile, everyone is excited to watch his next bit.
your excited to see another chillul Hashem? And even if you are don't talk about it!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 19, 2014, 11:13:27 PM
Meanwhile, everyone is excited to watch his next bit.
Who doesn't like a good trainwreck  :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: california on June 19, 2014, 11:47:39 PM
Am I only one who didn't get any of the jokes? I must be a VERY clean person ;-)
It dosent look like the boy is getting it either... just repeating his fathers video
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 20, 2014, 12:42:34 AM
I don't understand what is so offensive about what I said. Using the example that I gave, that mother is obviously not so religious. Where will that family feel more comfortable? It doesn't take major thought to realize that they are not likely to get comfortable in Lakewood and are more likely to feel accepted by a more modern community. I don't think that means something wrong with that community just like it should not be controversial that groups more involved in outreach are more likely to have such people affiliated with them. I alluded to that previously but I guess the chip on your shoulder precludes your realizing that.
A community where there's some level of individuality and people are not entirely controlled by the "community", where people don't get thrown out of shuls for transgressions in their own private lives. There must be something wrong with that community.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 20, 2014, 12:55:16 AM
It dosent look like the boy is getting it either... just repeating his fathers video
+1 truly awful presentation

This spineless clown almost supported him

http://finkorswim.com/2014/06/18/orthodox-jewish-kid-shocks-americas-got-talent/
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 20, 2014, 12:59:49 AM
one thing I like about this place is no one seems to be judgmental.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2014, 01:05:07 AM
one thing I like about this place is no one seems to be judgmental.
Hello. Good Bye.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 20, 2014, 01:06:21 AM
Hello. Good Bye.
take care.  :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 20, 2014, 01:07:36 AM
Hello. Good Bye.
Or as they would say in Israel. שלום. שלום.  ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yitzf on June 20, 2014, 02:57:13 AM
How ironic...his parents were just honored as Parents of the Year at the Westchester Hebrew High School Dinner
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 20, 2014, 03:48:10 AM
How ironic...his parents were just honored as Parents of the Year at the Westchester Hebrew High School Dinner
should they close down that school?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ad120 on June 20, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
I am not being politically correct and I am saying like it is. Westchester as a whole houses modern communities. Modern kids have more exposure to the outside world than Chassidish, Yeshivish, & Modern Yeshivish kids. Therefore the considering where he is from doesn't shock me the nature of the content that came out of his mouth. That is not to say that the OJC of Westchester County are perverse. Rather I am not surprised considering the communities values. What does floor me though is the fact that Mom & Dad allow this. Jewish or not, most "normal" parents would take issue with that kind of language.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 20, 2014, 06:43:13 AM

your excited to see another chillul Hashem? And even if you are don't talk about it!

If people weren't interested then the video should never have been posted to the forums in the first place. Why spread it?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Dan on June 20, 2014, 08:17:50 AM
http://finkorswim.com/2014/06/18/orthodox-jewish-kid-shocks-americas-got-talent/
Why am I not  surprised at his opinion?
From the last two articles of his that I read I can conclude:
A secular Jew's life is saved because he decides to change his flight so as not to fly on shabbos = chillul hashem, and is bad for Orthodox Jews to publicize and celebrate.
Orthodox Jewish kid tells horribly dirty jokes to millions = not a chillul hashem and good for Orthodox Judaism.

After reading those same 2 articles my take is that he probably doesn't really believe in what he's writing.  He just takes logic for a 180 degree spin and calls it the new Modox.  For those who recall he failed to defend his haaretz article when presented with sound logic, he just resorted to name calling.

Total click-bait and comment-bait articles.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 20, 2014, 08:37:06 AM
After reading those same 2 articles my take is that he probably doesn't really believe in what he's writing.  He just takes logic for a 180 degree spin and calls it the new Modox.  For those who recall he failed to defend his haaretz article when presented with sound logic, he just resorted to name calling.

Total click-bait and comment-bait articles.
ie; people should stop linking his articles here..
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on June 20, 2014, 10:42:07 AM
Seen on Facebook:
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My thoughts on the Orthodox Kid making dirty sex jokes on America's Got Talen.

The 17th century Hasidic leader, Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, once observed a Jew greasing the wheels of his wagon while simultaneously praying with tallit (shawl) and tefillin (phylacteries). While others rebuked the Jew for denigrating the prayer, Rabbi Levi judged him favorably, and exclaimed: “God, look at how holy he is. He even greases the wheels of his buggy with tallit and tefillin on.”

To Josh Orlian we should exclaim: Look at how holy you are. Even while making dirty jokes on America's Got Talent you still proudly wore your Yarmulka
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: skyguy918 on June 20, 2014, 10:46:25 AM
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My thoughts on the Orthodox Kid making dirty sex jokes on America's Got Talen.

The 17th century Hasidic leader, Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, once observed a Jew greasing the wheels of his wagon while simultaneously praying with tallit (shawl) and tefillin (phylacteries). While others rebuked the Jew for denigrating the prayer, Rabbi Levi judged him favorably, and exclaimed: “God, look at how holy he is. He even greases the wheels of his buggy with tallit and tefillin on.”

To Josh Orlian we should exclaim: Look at how holy you are. Even while making dirty jokes on America's Got Talent you still proudly wore your Yarmulka
Wow. That's either a very advanced level of trolling, or incredible stupidity.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avrumy22 on June 20, 2014, 10:50:32 AM
You saw it here first folks ;D

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=17456.msg741034#msg741034

All kidding aside, I was near his family in the crowd. Forget about the Dad backstage for a moment, his entire family (Grandparents, mom, brothers, and sisters) were all laughing hysterically and cheering him on.

I just wonder what the Shabbos table conversations are like at this family..... ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 20, 2014, 11:37:20 AM
Seen on Facebook:
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My thoughts on the Orthodox Kid making dirty sex jokes on America's Got Talen.

The 17th century Hasidic leader, Rabbi Levi Yitzchak of Berditchev, once observed a Jew greasing the wheels of his wagon while simultaneously praying with tallit (shawl) and tefillin (phylacteries). While others rebuked the Jew for denigrating the prayer, Rabbi Levi judged him favorably, and exclaimed: “God, look at how holy he is. He even greases the wheels of his buggy with tallit and tefillin on.”

To Josh Orlian we should exclaim: Look at how holy you are. Even while making dirty jokes on America's Got Talent you still proudly wore your Yarmulka
it's funny but oyyyyyyyyyyy
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 20, 2014, 11:38:07 AM
His father attempted stand up comedy a few years back and used the same joke almost word for word. There's video footage floating around.

link?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: moka on June 20, 2014, 11:42:35 AM
link?
I searched around, it seems the original on youtube was pulled
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 20, 2014, 11:44:15 AM

I searched around, it seems the original on youtube was pulled
Yup. It was up yesterday, but now it says it's been removed.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 20, 2014, 06:18:26 PM
Yup. It was up yesterday, but now it says it's been removed.
It was linked here but removed now. Same joke, word for word.
ugh. despicable! i couldn't get through 2 minutes. i stopped after he said nuts... gross!! inappropriate regardless of religion. sick sick sick.
this is his dad: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GnG1DqI16lM
the yarmulke was just an added shock factor.
now we all know what his p'shetal will sound like...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avrumy22 on June 20, 2014, 06:20:36 PM
Yup. It was up yesterday, but now it says it's been removed.

So basically he mesmerized a few jokes  and recited them....  :o :o
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: moka on June 20, 2014, 06:39:01 PM
It was linked here but removed now. Same joke, word for word.
seems some people like these types of jokes and are looking for more ::)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on June 20, 2014, 07:08:47 PM

seems some people like these types of jokes and are looking for more ::)
Well they have this kid's second round to look forward to
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: TimT on June 20, 2014, 07:47:08 PM
Well they have this kid's second round to look forward to
second & hopefully last.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 21, 2014, 07:54:18 PM
Well they have this kid's second round to look forward to
can't wait.  :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on June 21, 2014, 10:19:03 PM

I doubt that there will be another showing.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yitzf on June 21, 2014, 11:03:53 PM
can't wait.  :)
having an obviously Jewish username and wanting more is like telling dirty jokes with a yarmulka.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 21, 2014, 11:07:54 PM
having an obviously Jewish username and wanting more is like telling dirty jokes with a yarmulka.
totally unfair.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 22, 2014, 12:04:13 AM
That dad is screwed in the brain, he needs some good petch.
I pity the kid, he probably doesn't even understand what he's getting himself into,

Though how people bash modoxy because of this is beyond me
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 12:07:13 AM
What's the point of this thread? Don't watch it and stop talking about. What is any of this accomplishing?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 22, 2014, 12:24:03 AM
What is any of this accomplishing?
bringing more attention to it so more people end up seeing it?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2014, 02:59:05 AM
That dad is screwed in the brain, he needs some good petch.
I pity the kid, he probably doesn't even understand what he's getting himself into,

Though how people bash modoxy because of this is beyond me
In almost all other communities a man and son wouldn't make this Chilul Hashem, (even if the reason is because they would be scared of the backlash).
So that's why it is connected to Modox. Because if he wouldn't be Modox he wouldn't do it. Now do you understand?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 03:01:26 AM
That dad is screwed in the brain, he needs some good petch.
I pity the kid, he probably doesn't even understand what he's getting himself into,

Though how people bash modoxy because of this is beyond me
Because this would never be accepted in ultra orthodox circles. Would you want your 12 year old son hanging out with this guy?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 06:37:27 AM

Because this would never be accepted in ultra orthodox circles. Would you want your 12 year old son hanging out with this guy?

Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored. Where are the threads devoted to them? Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 06:39:25 AM
Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored.
You think there are more pedophilies in the U OX community? Didn't YU just have a pretty serious story?

Where are the threads devoted to them?
Pretty sure there are a few here somewhere

Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
Thank you for the personal attack, but you're wrong, I care more about pedophiles than this.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 06:40:26 AM
Wasn't meant to be personal. Just not sure why this is picked on so much.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 06:43:30 AM

You think there are more pedophilies in the U OX community? Didn't YU just have a pretty serious story?
Pretty sure there are a few here somewhere
Thank you for the personal attack, but you're wrong, I care more about pedophiles than this.

Show me. Guess I haven't figured out to search button.

The point is that one Jewish kid from clearly a not very "frum" family made jokes on TV and now all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. The generalization is ridiculous. The story is pretty harmless and it's time to move on.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 06:44:26 AM
Show me. Guess I haven't figured out to search button.

The point is that one Jewish kid from clearly a not very "frum" family made jokes on TV and now all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. The generalization is ridiculous. The story is pretty harmless and it's time to move on.
Nobody meant to include all modox. The discussion is about his community and more specifically his school.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 22, 2014, 06:50:00 AM
Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored. Where are the threads devoted to them? Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
Short answer is that although sadly some of the above exist, they are abhorred by the community and their actions are not condoned.

This boy's actions seem to be fine in his community judging by a) the responses of some people and b) the fact that he went on and did it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 06:50:27 AM

Nobody meant to include all modox. The discussion is about his community and more specifically his school.

You can say that now... Not what you and others were saying a few posts ago. I'll butt out and let everyone continue talking about how this is the end of the world but I tend to think there are other things to be more concerned with.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 06:51:13 AM
You can say that now... Not what you and others were saying a few posts ago. I'll butt out and let everyone continue talking about how this is the end of the world but I tend to think there are other things to be more concerned with.
Show me where I said otherwise, I certainly didn't mean to.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 06:52:33 AM

Show me where I said otherwise, I certainly didn't mean to.
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/14/06/22/6e2ydy8a.jpg)

I'm sure I misunderstood...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 22, 2014, 08:35:44 AM

Short answer is that although sadly some of the above exist, they are abhorred by the community and their actions are not condoned.

This boy's actions seem to be fine in his community judging by a) the responses of some people and b) the fact that he went on and did it.
you're wrong on both counts
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 08:46:52 AM

It is pretty evident from this episode, that within the modox community, there are often no safeguards to protect innocent children from exposure to depravity, violence or explicit content.. This is ruining children everyday!

Your premise is that the boy came about this stuff on his own from some "content" presumedly you mean TV and other forms of media which he was not safeguarded from. I'm pretty sure it was posted up thread that the father performed the same routine in the past and clearly just fed this material to his son. From this one family you're now generalizing to the entire "modern orthodox" community. Seems fair.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 08:50:04 AM
you're wrong on both counts
Are you seriously suggesting the ultra orthodox community condones pedophily?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 22, 2014, 08:51:30 AM
I've seen the cover ups more then once
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 22, 2014, 08:53:04 AM
Are you seriously suggesting the ultra orthodox community condones pedophily?
some look at not exposing (AKA we will handle it ourselves) it as the same thing. learn from others mistakes not make the same ones.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 08:56:02 AM
I've seen the cover ups more then once
Do you not understand the difference between condoning and covering up?
some look at not exposing (AKA we will handle it ourselves) it as the same thing. learn from others mistakes not make the same ones.
Thats like saying red and yellow are the same thing. The fact that both are wrong doesn't mean they're the same.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 22, 2014, 08:58:39 AM
Do you not understand the difference between condoning and covering up?

Thats like saying red and yellow are the same thing. The fact that both are wrong doesn't mean they're the same.
where have I heard this logic/defense before?  :'(
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on June 22, 2014, 09:22:22 AM

Do you not understand the difference between condoning and covering up?
no.
There is no difference.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 22, 2014, 09:32:55 AM
you're wrong on both counts
Speak for yourself. I know that I and all of my peers and rabbis condemn and abhor any acts of child abuse, no matter who the perpetrator is. If you are familiar with people that think or act otherwise, you probably shouldn't acquaint yourself with them.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2014, 09:46:52 AM
I think this thread has gone off to an unhealthy topic which will go nowhere.   Let's stop while we are only as little bit behind.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 22, 2014, 09:48:29 AM
Speak for yourself. I know that I and all of my peers and rabbis condone and abhor any acts of child abuse, no matter who the perpetrator is. If you are familiar with people that think or act otherwise, you probably shouldn't acquaint yourself with them.

No one condones it. But when push comes to shove it's not handled the right way AT all most of the time.  And even in the most surprising of communities where you'd expect better by now  it's usually the victim who ends up having to 'run away'.
Meanwhile that isn't the point. At all.
Every sect of people does something wrong. People in every sect do things wrong. The problem is any one person thinking they are better than others for all the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 22, 2014, 09:53:43 AM
condone - accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: joeberg on June 22, 2014, 09:54:36 AM
You all must mean condemn not condone.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 22, 2014, 09:55:16 AM
condone - accept and allow (behavior that is considered morally wrong or offensive) to continue.
The word they needed was condemn
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 22, 2014, 09:58:13 AM
Yup.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 22, 2014, 10:11:11 AM
Mesira is just another Aveira that modoxy doesn't care about I guess.
Not musering isn't the same as condoning. Anyone caught, while not given over to jail which is against Torah in 99% of circumstances, these people are shunned. They are the lepers in the community. They won't make a single normal shidduch.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2014, 10:52:24 AM
Mesira is just another Aveira that modoxy doesn't care about I guess.
Not musering isn't the same as condoning. Anyone caught, while not given over to jail which is against Torah in 99% of circumstances, these people are shunned. They are the lepers in the community. They won't make a single normal shidduch.
so the standard is that their children who did nothing wrong get punished:o
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 22, 2014, 10:55:24 AM
so the standard is that their children who did nothing wrong get punished:o

Sadly, children always pay for the transgressions of their parents. However, it's only the symptom of them being shunned. Easy to point out.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2014, 11:04:46 AM
I understand, but that its an unfortunate side effect and I wouldn't use that as the example. Give a better one.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 11:40:34 AM
Covering up doesn't equate to condoning, it's extremely different.

For example, if, Gd forbid, I see my son stealing, I wouldn't call the cops, yet I clearly am not condoning it. Even if you think the right thing is to call the cops, it's very different by any objective measure. That was Chaiml;s point.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 11:48:08 AM

Covering up doesn't equate to condoning, it's extremely different.

For example, if, Gd forbid, I see my son stealing, I wouldn't call the cops, yet I clearly am not condoning it. Even if you think the right thing is to call the cops, it's very different by any objective measure. That was Chaiml;s point.

And what if you saw him kill someone?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 12:40:26 PM
And what if you saw him kill someone?

I guess that would depend upon the likelihood of it happening again. Either way it's a completely different question than actually encouraging it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 12:43:31 PM
so the standard is that their children who did nothing wrong get punished:o
Just like a mamzer. It is not about punishment it is self defense.

An individuals rights aren't a reason for the rest of society to suffer. That kid is telling those jokes to his friends and that's completely unacceptable.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2014, 12:55:46 PM
Just like a mamzer. It is not about punishment it is self defense.

An individuals rights aren't a reason for the rest of society to suffer. That kid is telling those jokes to his friends and that's completely unacceptable.
??? What in the world does that have to duo with what I wrote?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 22, 2014, 02:52:15 PM
I guess that would depend upon the likelihood of it happening again.
i hope you are not serious.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2014, 07:48:32 PM
Much better to have him hang with all the ultra orthodox pedophiles and child pornography distributors that are ignored. Where are the threads devoted to them? Maybe it's time to think about why this bothers you more than that?
So immature.
Every time there's any discussion about anything, these trolls talking about "is it worse than pedophiles"?

I am absolutely against protecting pedophiles. But what does it have to do with the discussion at hand?

Why do you feel the need to change the subject?

It is so frustrating having conversations with filibusterers!  ::)

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on June 22, 2014, 07:56:04 PM
So immature.
Every time there's any discussion about anything, these trolls talking about "is it worse than pedophiles"?

I am absolutely against protecting pedophiles. But what does it have to do with the discussion at hand?

Why do you feel the need to change the subject?

It is so frustrating having conversations with filibusterers!  ::)

You're right I am a troll. I will delete all my posts and pretend that one 12 year old kid getting up and repeating some jokes his father fed to him is the worst thing to happen to the Jewish people and indicates that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. Why don't you read through through some of the things that have just been said on this thread and chose to quote my post again. I will not be opening this thread again as it is doing no good, just keep trolling along. This forum is for travel and credit card advice as well as deals. Every time I get involved in any threads of a different nature I see very quickly how little value there is.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2014, 07:58:00 PM
Mesira is just another Aveira that modoxy doesn't care about I guess.
Not musering isn't the same as condoning. Anyone caught, while not given over to jail which is against Torah in 99% of circumstances, these people are shunned. They are the lepers in the community. They won't make a single normal shidduch.
You are misinformed. There are Teshuvos from Rav Elyashiv and many leading Poskim that Pedophiles should be handed over to the government.


But why are we getting off of subject?

This video is a direct outcome of the MO community's attitudes and beliefs. IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN IN A NON-MO COMMUNITY!

Let's not let a filibuster about pedophiles take away form the issue at hand.



Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 22, 2014, 07:58:45 PM
You're right I am a troll. I will delete all my posts and pretend that one 12 year old kid getting up and repeating some jokes his father fed to him is the worst thing to happen to the Jewish people and indicates that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible. Why don't you read through through some of the things that have just been said on this thread and chose to quote my post again. I will not be opening this thread again as it is doing no good, just keep trolling along. This forum is for travel and credit card advice as well as deals. Every time I get involved in any threads of a different nature I see very quickly how little value there is.
The conversation was great till you brought up the silly pedophile argument.

No one said this shows that " that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible".
But let's call a spade a spade, it would only happen in MO. Period.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on June 22, 2014, 08:52:41 PM
I told you guys several days ago, it's the cholov akum. How can you expect not to have timtum hamoach when you drink that stuff?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 22, 2014, 08:54:49 PM
I told you guys several days ago, it's the cholov akum. How can you expect not to have timtum hamoach when you drink that stuff?
;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Q274 on June 22, 2014, 10:54:12 PM
No one condones it. But when push comes to shove it's not handled the right way AT all most of the time.  And even in the most surprising of communities where you'd expect better by now  it's usually the victim who ends up having to 'run away'.
Meanwhile that isn't the point. At all.
Every sect of people does something wrong. People in every sect do things wrong. The problem is any one person thinking they are better than others for all the wrong reasons.
that is your opinion. (im not saying i disagree with that opinion but its an opinion none the less)

This dirty joke thing is not an opinion from the fact that most if not all the people here were saying they are surprised bec the kid is 12 years old nothing to do with being jewish.

Making your point invalid, in my OPINION.

Lets not mix opinions up with facts. (in my opinion)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ad120 on June 23, 2014, 12:49:43 AM
The conversation was great till you brought up the silly pedophile argument.

No one said this shows that " that all of modern orthodoxy is terrible".
But let's call a spade a spade, it would only happen in MO. Period.
+1 There are many issues in every community. The objective of this thread is not to exposes the flaws of our communities nor is it meant to prove one is better than the other.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on June 23, 2014, 12:26:58 PM
I know I shouldn't be responding, but......

I know a modern orthodox social worker who is involved in the Chasidish community and has many chasidik clients. Many of the women she counsels reference fifty shades of grey and assume she has read it. She would not read it in a million years.

A few points to consider.
1) There is a large range of "Modern Orthodoxy." To paint the girls wearing tefillin in Ramaz/Westchester day school kid telling dirty jokes and the yungeleit learning at YU with the same brush is like painting the pedophiles and the erliche rabbonim with the same brush.
2) While the modern orthodox community is a lot more overtly open to technology and the modern world, if you honestly believe that kids in yeshivish/chassidic communities are sheltered from all this stuff  then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you(outside of Sqvar, they have gone to unbelievable measures to cut themselves off from the outside world and have been very successful. But if you think the same can be done in Brooklyn as they can do in nowheresville Monsey...).
3) I haven't (and won't) watch the video in the OP, but I can assure you that frum MO would not approve of such things.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Q274 on June 23, 2014, 01:13:01 PM
I know I shouldn't be responding, but......

I know a modern orthodox social worker who is involved in the Chasidish community and has many chasidik clients. Many of the women she counsels reference fifty shades of grey and assume she has read it. She would not read it in a million years.

A few points to consider.
1) There is a large range of "Modern Orthodoxy." To paint the girls wearing tefillin in Ramaz/Westchester day school kid telling dirty jokes and the yungeleit learning at YU with the same brush is like painting the pedophiles and the erliche rabbonim with the same brush.
2) While the modern orthodox community is a lot more overtly open to technology and the modern world, if you honestly believe that kids in yeshivish/chassidic communities are sheltered from all this stuff  then I have a bridge I'd like to sell you(outside of Sqvar, they have gone to unbelievable measures to cut themselves off from the outside world and have been very successful. But if you think the same can be done in Brooklyn as they can do in nowheresville Monsey...).
3) I haven't (and won't) watch the video in the OP, but I can assure you that frum MO would not approve of such things.
i dont think anyone is disagreeing with any of those points.

Answer for me this one question, which is the point of everyone here, can you picture this happening in any other community besides the mo?

This does NOT mean ALL mo people are painted with the same brush, nor should they be. Neither should all the ultra orthos be painted with the same brush.

The bottom line is the mo are more "modern" (not bad) and its hard to imagine that this would have happened in the ultra ortho areas. NOT That they dont know these jokes or that they would not say them to each other, or enjoy the jokes whilst watching this kid, BUT rather IT IS HARDER TO IMAGINE that they would get up on agt, say these jokes AND have the parents encouraging him on.

Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 23, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
the chances of this happening in a more open setting are greater. can we now move on?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 23, 2014, 01:32:03 PM
i dont think anyone is disagreeing with any of those points.

Answer for me this one question, which is the point of everyone here, can you picture this happening in any other community besides the mo?

This does NOT mean ALL mo people are painted with the same brush, nor should they be. Neither should all the ultra orthos be painted with the same brush.

The bottom line is the mo are more "modern" (not bad) and its hard to imagine that this would have happened in the ultra ortho areas. NOT That they dont know these jokes or that they would not say them to each other, or enjoy the jokes whilst watching this kid, BUT rather IT IS HARDER TO IMAGINE that they would get up on agt, say these jokes AND have the parents encouraging him on.

Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
Who freakin cares?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on June 23, 2014, 01:32:32 PM
i dont think anyone is disagreeing with any of those points.
Speak for yourself. I don't think that everyone agrees with you.

Quote
Answer for me this one question, which is the point of everyone here, can you picture this happening in any other community besides the mo?

This does NOT mean ALL mo people are painted with the same brush, nor should they be. Neither should all the ultra orthos be painted with the same brush.

The bottom line is the mo are more "modern" (not bad) and its hard to imagine that this would have happened in the ultra ortho areas. NOT That they dont know these jokes or that they would not say them to each other, or enjoy the jokes whilst watching this kid, BUT rather IT IS HARDER TO IMAGINE that they would get up on agt, say these jokes AND have the parents encouraging him on.

Does anyone argue with any of these facts?
I don't disagree with those facts, but I don't think it would happen in Teaneck either.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Q274 on June 23, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
Who freakin cares?
i clearly do.
the chances of this happening in a more open setting are greater. can we now move on?
soon, not ready yet.

Shall i pm you when i am ready?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 23, 2014, 02:08:47 PM
soon, not ready yet.
can we move on to how in a closed setting things are easier to cover up?  :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: shnoz on June 23, 2014, 09:26:06 PM



This boy's actions seem to be fine in his community judging by a) the responses of some people and b) the fact that he went on and did it.

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 23, 2014, 09:32:16 PM

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him
Glad to hear that.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2014, 10:03:09 PM

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him
Great! I hope he get's thrown out on his head.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 23, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
Great! I hope he get's thrown out on his head.
I would rather the pressure get him to think a little
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 23, 2014, 10:40:13 PM
I would rather the pressure get him to think a little
+1
חטאים ולא חוטאים

Here's for hoping he declines participating in the next round and makes a KH out of it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 23, 2014, 11:44:27 PM
+1
חטאים ולא חוטאים

Here's for hoping he declines participating in the next round and makes a KH out of it.
והזדים מהרה תעקר
A זד IS A לץ -
זדים הליצוני
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 23, 2014, 11:57:29 PM
והזדים מהרה תעקר
A זד IS A לץ -
זדים הליצוני
-1
That is not the teitch.
Zed means a rasha
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 23, 2014, 11:58:31 PM

wrong,
as someone who knows the inner workings out that community I can tell you that the boys school sent out a letter condemning what he did but saying that can't control it,
and countless ppl in his shul have been calling for his rabbi to take a stand again him

The rabbi needs cajoling? Sad
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:04:46 AM
-1
That is not the teitch.
Zed means a rasha
I've seen Mefarshim that explain zed as  a letz type rasha.
Another Pasuk that supports this - זד יהיר לץ שמו" -  משלי כא כד"


זדים הליצוני
זד יהיר לץ שמו
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:08:25 AM
IIRC, I've seen Mefarshim that explain zed as  a letz type rasha.
IIRC "reshaim made fun of me" the reshoim here are indeed leitzonim but that is not the definition of their rishus..
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:11:11 AM
Another Pasuk that supports this - זד יהיר לץ שמו" -  משלי כא כד"


זדים הליצוני
זד יהיר לץ שמו

Are you seeing the pattern?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:12:46 AM
IIRC "reshaim made fun of me" the reshoim here are indeed leitzonim but that is not the definition of their rishus..
Why are you arguing with the idea that a zed is the letz type rasha?
I recall seeing this on many occasions in the Mefarshim.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:15:53 AM
http://www.hidush.co.il/hidush.asp?id=1380#.U6j6__ldWSo

He says his shtikel is based on sifsei chaim. He says this idea.

(from a quick google search)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
Why are you arguing with the idea that a zed is the letz type rasha?
I recall seeing this on many occasions in the Mefarshim.
Just because the original posuk just means that reshaim made leitzonus. Not the other way round.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:22:00 AM
Just because the original posuk just means that reshaim made leitzonus. Not the other way round.
I don't think your understanding what I'm saying. I'm (the mefarshim) saying that the exact definition of zed is rasha, but if it meant rasha, and rasha meant zed, then why would there be 2 words? The answer is that zed is a rasha who's rishus stems from his being a letz. And that's why the reashaim that were making letzanus of David were called zedim.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:22:39 AM
http://www.hidush.co.il/hidush.asp?id=1380#.U6j6__ldWSo

He says his shtikel is based on sifsei chaim. He says this idea.

(from a quick google search)
turns out I was right. Zed is miloshon zadon.
The posuk in mishlei is ב: זד יהיר לץ שמו עושה בעברת זדון

Rashi: "יהיר" - גס רוח סופו להיות לץ שאינו חש לשמוע מוסר

Malbim: "זד יהיר לץ שמו, הזד" הוא החולק על חקי החכמה בזדון, ומתוכח נגד חקי החכמה והאמונה, מכחיש בהשגחה ובשכר ועונש ועושה עבירות ביד רמה, וכ"ז שאינו יהיר אינו לץ עדיין, כי מתוכח בטענות וראיות לא בליצנות, ואם ינצחוהו ישתוק, אבל אם הוא "יהיר" אז לא יחוש לטעמים וראיות כלל, רק "מתלוצץ" על החכמים והמאמינים, ואז "עושה בעברת זדון", העברה גדרו כשעובר הגבול, שיעשה מעשים רעים שא"צ להם כלל והם נגד טבע הנפשי רק מעברת זדונו, שהזדון שלו עובר גבול האנושי לעשות מעשים נגד טבע האנושית בכלל:

Metzudas Dovid: "זד יהיר" - איש זדון המתיהר בדבור הנה שמו העצמי הוא לץ כי בעבור הגאוה ילעג ויתלוצץ בבני אדם אבל העושה רע בעבור הגאוה הנה שמו איש זדון
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:24:27 AM
turns out I was right. Zed is miloshon zadon.
The posuk in mishlei is ב: זד יהיר לץ שמו עושה בעברת זדון

Rashi: "יהיר" - גס רוח סופו להיות לץ שאינו חש לשמוע מוסר

Malbim: "זד יהיר לץ שמו, הזד" הוא החולק על חקי החכמה בזדון, ומתוכח נגד חקי החכמה והאמונה, מכחיש בהשגחה ובשכר ועונש ועושה עבירות ביד רמה, וכ"ז שאינו יהיר אינו לץ עדיין, כי מתוכח בטענות וראיות לא בליצנות, ואם ינצחוהו ישתוק, אבל אם הוא "יהיר" אז לא יחוש לטעמים וראיות כלל, רק "מתלוצץ" על החכמים והמאמינים, ואז "עושה בעברת זדון", העברה גדרו כשעובר הגבול, שיעשה מעשים רעים שא"צ להם כלל והם נגד טבע הנפשי רק מעברת זדונו, שהזדון שלו עובר גבול האנושי לעשות מעשים נגד טבע האנושית בכלל:

Metzudas Dovid: "זד יהיר" - איש זדון המתיהר בדבור הנה שמו העצמי הוא לץ כי בעבור הגאוה ילעג ויתלוצץ בבני אדם אבל העושה רע בעבור הגאוה הנה שמו איש זדון

Of course zed comes from zadon, that's pretty obvious. The question is what does zadon come from, the answer is letzanus.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:26:52 AM
Is this your first time learning Navi? Every pasuk has tens of pirushim that are different then each other. I've seen mefarshim (maybe sifsei chaim was one of them) that explain that zed is a letz type rasha, which means his rishus stems from letzanus.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:27:04 AM
Of course zed comes from zadon, that's pretty obvious. The question is what does zadon come from, the answer is letzanus.
You didn't read the rashi or the malbim or the metudas??

The rishus which is zadon, combined with gaava, can eventually lead to leitzanus.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:28:16 AM
You didn't read the rashi or the malbim.??

The rishus which is zadon, combined with gaava, can eventually lead to leitzanus.
read my above post.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:28:46 AM
Is this your first time learning Navi? Every pasuk has tens of pirushim that are different then each other. I've seen mefarshim (maybe sifsei chaim was one of them) that explain that zed is a letz type rasha, which means his rishus stems from letzanus.
it would be pretty difficult to read that into the posuk...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:30:43 AM
it would be pretty difficult to read that into the posuk...
why? the mefarshim are explaining why zed and letz keep on coming up together.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:32:26 AM
בָּא זָדוֹן וַיָּבֹא קָלוֹן וְאֶת צְנוּעִים חָכְמָה.

עם טעמים: בָּֽא־זָ֭דוֹן וַיָּבֹ֣א קָל֑וֹן וְֽאֶת־צְנוּעִ֥ים חָכְמָֽה׃
תרגום
רש"י (כל הפרק)(כל הפסוק)

עריכה

"בא זדון ויבא קלון ואת צנועים חכמה" - תבוא חכמה
רלב"ג (כל הפרק)(כל הפסוק)

עריכה


"בא זדון". הנה כשבא איש זדון והוא הרשע בדעות אשר יהרס לשפוט בדברי' בזולת עיון הנה בא אחריו קלון ובושת כי לא יסכים המציאות למה ששפטו אותו מזה ואמנם האנשים הצנועים שלא יהרסו לעלות לזאת המדרג' כי אם אחר ההצעות הראויות ובדברי' הראויים הנה תמצא אתם חכמה:

 
מלבי"ם (כל הפרק)(כל הפסוק)

עריכה


"בא זדון", הזד הוא החולק על דרכי החכמה ועל האמת בטענות והיקשים ומזיד לעבור עליה בשאט נפש, והוא ההפך מן הצנוע שמסתיר פניו מעלות במעלות ויודע מך ערכו, כמו ויסתר משה פניו, "ועם הצנועים תבא חכמה", כי לא יקבעו דרכי החכמה רק בלב המאמין ומקבל ושומע לרבותיו ולא יזיד לחלוק עליהם, אבל "כשבא הזדון" בא עמו "קלון", שהוא הפך הכבוד, כי דרכיו שבוחר בהם הם נקלים והפך דרכי החכמה המכובדים:
ביאור המילות

"זדון". החולק על ה' ודרכי התורה במזיד ופרסום, כמ"ש והאיש אשר יעשה בזדון את ה' הוא מגדף, ואם נלוה עמו הגאוה היתירה הוא מתלוצץ על החכמה והחכמים, כמ"ש זד יהיר לץ שמו, וכן בא על הזד על רעהו שהוא המציא תחבולות להרע לו, וחז"ל בסנהדרין (דף ס"ט) שתפוהו עם שם נזיד מענין בישול הרעיונים שזה רק באיש לא בקטן:

 
מצודות (כל הפרק)(כל הפסוק)

עריכה
מצודת דוד

"בא זדון" - כאשר בא איש זדון בא עמו קלון כי יבזה את הבריות ועם צנועים בא חכמה
מצודת ציון

"קלון" - בזיון

"צנועים" - המסתתרים עצמם מרוב ענותנותם
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:36:08 AM
why? the mefarshim are explaining why zed and letz keep on coming up together.
Zed is zadon = sinning with impunity. Period!

The middos associated with this behavior are gaava which is a part of leitzanus of authority.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:39:40 AM
Zed is zadon = sinning with impunity. Period!

The middos associated with this behavior are gaava which is a part of leitzanus of authority.
?
what's your point?

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 24, 2014, 12:40:18 AM
?
what's your point?
That there is no posuk implying that he should be thrown out ta Shul! :P



 מלבי"ם (כל הפרק)




"זדים" והגם "שזדים הליצו עלי" עד מאד בליצנות, הגם "שמתורתך לא נטיתי", כמו שקראו שמעי איש הדמים ואיש הבליעל:

""

   

ביאור המילות

"הליצוני". התלוצצו בי:
 
מצודות
מצודת דוד

"הליצוני" - עם כי הזדים מתלוצצים בי עד מאד בעבור עסקי בתורה תמיד עכ"ז מתורתך לא נטיתי ולא אחוש להם
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 24, 2014, 12:47:01 AM
IIRC, this past chanuka someone I know (big gevir) was by R chaim Kanievski. And he (r chaim) told him this that zed was a letz. And he said that risha just toved, oyvecha just yekareisu, but "vahazedim" the latzanim - mehairah se'ake useshaber usemager vesachnia. Some how he tied that into zeidim beyad oskei sorasecha, and explained how esek hatorah is the opposite of a letz, I can't remember the vart.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 26, 2014, 05:40:32 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/169167/2014/06/26/white-plains-ny-westchester-school-disapproves-of-comedy-routine-but-supports-student-and-his-parents/
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on June 26, 2014, 05:44:57 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/169167/2014/06/26/white-plains-ny-westchester-school-disapproves-of-comedy-routine-but-supports-student-and-his-parents/

They need a better editor.

"A Westchester yeshiva has chosen to stand behind a sixth grader whose nationally televised off color comedy routine won high marks from judges and the studio audience but mixed reviews from the general public."

The snippets from the email clearly state that they don't approve.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 26, 2014, 07:31:39 PM
While the school distanced itself from Orlian’s jokes, the email made it clear that they fully support him and his family. The email on to praise the middle schooler, calling him an “otherwise exemplary child who has made his school and his teachers proud many times over.”  The email also lauded Orlian’s parents, who were honored by Westchester Hebrew High School as parents of the year this past year, as “parents who have been leaders in their community.”
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on June 26, 2014, 07:44:36 PM
http://www.vosizneias.com/169167/2014/06/26/white-plains-ny-westchester-school-disapproves-of-comedy-routine-but-supports-student-and-his-parents/
Oy, this article is sure to bring a boatload more attention to it, thereby increasing the Chilul Hashem.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on June 26, 2014, 08:09:06 PM
While the school distanced itself from Orlian’s jokes, the email made it clear that they fully support him and his family. The email on to praise the middle schooler, calling him an “otherwise exemplary child who has made his school and his teachers proud many times over.”  The email also lauded Orlian’s parents, who were honored by Westchester Hebrew High School as parents of the year this past year, as “parents who have been leaders in their community.”
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 08:12:54 PM
And now you know why it's related to MO. Because in a non MO orthodox school, the kid would have been expelled. Shame on Lookstein.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on June 26, 2014, 08:29:49 PM
Shame on Lookstein.
You know what they say about the apple and the tree...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 08:48:33 PM
You know what they say about the apply and the tree...
He's the other Lookstien's son?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on June 26, 2014, 08:49:07 PM
Can we get along on something here?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Joe4007 on June 26, 2014, 08:55:28 PM
Can we get along on something here?
Yup. I think we all agree that he shouldn't have gone up on that stage with this material.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: moka on June 26, 2014, 08:59:26 PM
And now you know why it's related to MO. Because in a non MO orthodox school, the kid would have been expelled. Shame on Lookstein.
what would they gain from expelling him? The damage is done.
From here on they could try to help him know what was wrong with his performance and try to build him into a better person for the future.

Is that maybe why there's such a high rate of teens at risk in the orthodox, bec instead of encouraging people that aren't following the straight line of frum protocol they just throw the guy out and disconnect from them
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 09:10:52 PM
what would they gain from expelling him? The damage is done.
From here on they could try to help him know what was wrong with his performance and try to build him into a better person for the future.

Is that maybe why there's such a high rate of teens at risk in the orthodox, bec instead of encouraging people that aren't following the straight line of frum protocol they just throw the guy out and disconnect from them
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: moka on June 26, 2014, 09:14:01 PM
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau
who's the dass torah deciding that this is as bad as a zonah?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 09:14:48 PM
This is the conversation from upthread
And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech.
When 2 people are having a discussion/argument, and one of them says "And we wonder why there are so many people going off the derech" - to me that's a signal that all intelligent dialogue will end from there on.


But honestly, you're blaming children going OTD,  on an attitude that a Shul should throw out a family that made a "Ve'idas Znus" in front of millions of people, and were Mechalel shem shomayim befarhesia?
I agree. Excuse the comment. I was just venting.


Nothing is ever black and white. The truth is none of us can give any opinion until we know the facts. Who the family is, where they go to shul and what their connection with Gd and religion is.
Throwing someone out isn't necessarily helpful to him or the congregation.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 26, 2014, 09:15:02 PM
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau
Can you please stop abusing chazal
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 09:15:17 PM
who's the dass torah deciding that this is as bad as a zonah?
It's not - no ones recommending sekilah  ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 09:15:55 PM
Can you please stop abusing chazal
I'm sorry that your opinion is that I'm abusing Chazal.

(BTW, the Torah wasn't written by ChaZaL. Are you from "open" orthodoxy? [MO's child]  ;) )
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on June 26, 2014, 09:16:22 PM
I don't know if he should expelled or not (I would be noteh not to).
I do know he and his parents shouldn't be extolled in the letter
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 26, 2014, 09:20:00 PM
I'm sorry that your opinion is that I'm abusing Chazal.
And I am sorry that you are so quick to throw Jews out... how about the chazal that says יצחק loved עשו more than יעקב be caused he hoped the love would bring him back/closer to G-d. Maybe you should focus more on those type f chazals
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 26, 2014, 09:20:28 PM
I don't know if he should expelled or not (I would be noteh not to).
I do know he and his parents shouldn't be extolled in the letter
Agree
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 26, 2014, 09:21:46 PM
I'm sorry that your opinion is that I'm abusing Chazal.

(BTW, the Torah wasn't written by ChaZaL. Are you from "open" orthodoxy? [MO's child]  ;) )
It wasn't but we follow chazal to understand how and when to apply each Torah concept -hence the abuse of chazal
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 26, 2014, 09:22:39 PM
Applying a halacha in the Torah to fit your agenda sounds more like open orthodoxy to me
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 09:28:27 PM
And I am sorry that you are so quick to throw Jews out... how about the chazal that says יצחק loved עשו more than יעקב be caused he hoped the love would bring him back/closer to G-d. Maybe you should focus more on those type f chazals
I'm not "so quick" to throw Jews out.

But I believe this is an impeachable offense.

You know and I know that every non MO school would have thrown out this boy. So please stop trying to paint me as an extremist.


(Btw, where's this chazal that you quoted about Yitchak and Esav?
You do know that Chazal refers to the sages of the Talmud and Midrash?)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on June 26, 2014, 09:34:32 PM
I'm not "so quick" to throw Jews out.

But I believe this is an impeachable offense.

You know and I know that every non MO school would have thrown out this boy. So please stop trying to paint me as an extremist.


(Btw, where's this chazal that you quoted about Yitchak and Esav?
You do know that Chazal refers to the sages of the Talmud and Midrash?)
My rebbeim taught me that we only kick a kid out of school for one reason only: if he is bringing down the other kids. There's no such thing as an impeachable offense.
Unfortunately the fact that most yeshivas would throw him out doesn't mean much....
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 26, 2014, 09:51:23 PM
My rebbeim taught me that we only kick a kid out of school for one reason only: if he is bringing down the other kids. There's no such thing as an impeachable offense.
Unfortunately the fact that most yeshivas would throw him out doesn't mean much....
After thinking about it for a little, I agree being that this kid had his parents behind him, and encouraging him, he should not be expelled. You are right.
 It's his parents' fault. But they are grown adults and should get kicked out of their Shul.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on June 27, 2014, 01:25:02 AM
Let's stay focussed here. The discussion was about cholov akum.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 27, 2014, 01:40:39 AM
Let's stay focussed here.
you have to be kidding.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on June 27, 2014, 01:43:23 AM
you have to be kidding.

No, I'm not. Why are you confused? Did you eat M&Ms recently?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 27, 2014, 01:48:18 AM
No, I'm not. Why are you confused? Did you eat M&Ms recently?
no & no.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 27, 2014, 02:13:09 AM
My rebbeim taught me that we only kick a kid out of school for one reason only: if he is bringing down the other kids. There's no such thing as an impeachable offense.
Unfortunately the fact that most yeshivas would throw him out doesn't mean much....

If the kid is telling these jokes on national TV, he's telling them to his friends at school. How else do you define 'bringing down the other kids'?

Here there is also another concern, unfortunately this is a walking chilul hashem and it's inappropriate for a school to house it under it's roof.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 27, 2014, 10:14:20 AM
If the kid is telling these jokes on national TV, he's telling them to his friends at school. How else do you define 'bringing down the other kids'?

Here there is also another concern, unfortunately this is a walking chilul hashem and it's inappropriate for a school to house it under it's roof.
+6!
The school itself is a walking chillul hashem.
 Oiy leoviv shelimdo torah, oy lerabo shelimdo torah.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 27, 2014, 10:49:50 AM
This line of thought was already produced upthread.

It says in the Torah that the whole nation of Israel stones a zonah, does she become a better person - no - they do -L'maan yilmadu Veyirau
In which Torah exactly did you find that a zona gets skila? You gotta love these people who don't even start to know halacha are here playing holier than thou and paskening on other people's lives when they can't even quote a posuk in the torah right, "L'maan yilmadu Veyirau"? seriously?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 27, 2014, 10:55:00 AM
+6!
The school itself is a walking chillul hashem.
 Oiy leoviv shelimdo torah, oy lerabo shelimdo torah.
Good that you brought that up, let's quote the whole gemara:
אבל מי שקורא ושונה ומשמש ת"ח ואין משאו ומתנו באמונה ואין דבורו בנחת עם הבריות מה הבריות אומרות עליו אוי לו לפלוני שלמד תורה אוי לו לאביו שלמדו תורה אוי לו לרבו שלמדו תורה פלוני שלמד תורה ראו כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו
Doesn't talk about telling some dirty jokes, rather about not treating people with respect and not dealing honestly in business. I just wonder which flavor of Judaism has more of that...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: shnoz on June 27, 2014, 10:55:53 AM
The email also lauded Orlian’s parents, who were honored by Westchester Hebrew High School as parents of the year this past year, as “parents who have been leaders in their community.”
Vhakesef ya'aneh es hakol
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on June 27, 2014, 01:09:56 PM
In which Torah exactly did you find that a zona get's skila? You gotta love these people who don't even start to know halacha are here playing holier than thou and paskening on other people's lives when they can't even quote a posuk in the torah right, "L'maan yilmadu Veyirau"? seriously?
I'm sorry. Sekila by a mesis - Vchal yisrael yishmau veyeraun.
I admit I never learned Hilchos Zonah, what's your point?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on June 27, 2014, 01:20:38 PM
Good that you brought that up, let's quote the whole gemara:
אבל מי שקורא ושונה ומשמש ת"ח ואין משאו ומתנו באמונה ואין דבורו בנחת עם הבריות מה הבריות אומרות עליו אוי לו לפלוני שלמד תורה אוי לו לאביו שלמדו תורה אוי לו לרבו שלמדו תורה פלוני שלמד תורה ראו כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו
Doesn't talk about telling some dirty jokes, rather about not treating people with respect and not dealing honestly in business. I just wonder which flavor of Judaism has more of that...
I thought all Jews are money hungry, scamming dishonest thieves....
Its ok, try to separate yourselves from the stereotypes; it didn't work in germany and its not gonna work now.

Lets get back on topic, any moral gentile would say on this child "כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו". Its only the twisted Jews that are kvelling with pride that we finally made it on TV and are so "normal"..
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on June 27, 2014, 01:34:41 PM
I thought all Jews are money hungry, scamming dishonest thieves....
Its ok, try to separate yourselves from the stereotypes; it didn't work in germany and its not gonna work now.

Lets get back on topic, any moral gentile would say on this child "כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו". Its only the twisted Jews that are kvelling with pride that we finally made it on TV and are so "normal"..


Well said
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on June 27, 2014, 01:36:31 PM
I thought all Jews are money hungry, scamming dishonest thieves....
Its ok, try to separate yourselves from the stereotypes; it didn't work in germany and its not gonna work now.

Lets get back on topic, any moral gentile would say on this child "כמה מקולקלין מעשיו וכמה מכוערין דרכיו". Its only the twisted Jews that are kvelling with pride that we finally made it on TV and are so "normal"..
All true Scotsmen say so too.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 27, 2014, 01:46:38 PM
what can we look forward to after the next episode airs?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 28, 2014, 12:16:22 PM
what can we look forward to after the next episode airs?
Personally I look forward to him bowing at and stating publicly why it's inappropriate for him.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Expert Flyer on June 29, 2014, 11:13:33 AM


I would choose any day Edon Pinchot who choose to postpone his singing because of the 3 weeks over the tasteless and humorless jokes of Josh Orlian.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on July 02, 2014, 10:55:50 AM
They're discussing this kid now on 770AM
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on July 02, 2014, 10:56:36 AM
They're saying the Yeshiva he's in is not happy and that if he continues he may not be left back.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2014, 02:36:24 PM
They're saying the Yeshiva he's in is not happy and that if he continues he may not be left back.
They might not let him back?
Seems like there are DDFers to the left of an MO school. Not just slightly to the left. But they would be outraged if the school throws out the boy. And it would be so bad, that it would make them understand why kids go off the derech.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on July 02, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
They might not let him back?
Seems like there are DDFers to the left of an MO school. Not just slightly to the left. But they would be outraged if the school throws out the boy. And it would be so bad, that it would make them understand why kids go off the derech.
You're missing the boat. The off the derech response was youre horrible application of torah concepts and the eagerness to throw kids out of school.  Noone (i believe) said that the school themselves who know the kid, his parents and the other kids in the school, cant make the determination that its the right thing to do
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2014, 03:00:05 PM
You're missing the boat. The off the derech response was youre horrible application of torah concepts and the eagerness to throw kids out of school.  Noone (i believe) said that the school themselves who know the kid, his parents and the other kids in the school, cant make the determination that its the right thing to do
Why did you interpret throwing out this kid, with an eagerness to throwing out kids in general?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 02, 2014, 03:07:54 PM

Why did you interpret throwing out this kid, with an eagerness to throwing out kids in general?
Perhaps because you are advocating throwing him out of school while hardly knowing anything about him, his family situation and what type of influence he has on the other students in the school.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on July 02, 2014, 03:09:54 PM
I am leaving this conversation. I had no intention of joining it other than to be מוחה on the use of למען ישמעו וילמדו
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 02, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
can we get back OT? when does the next episode air?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 02, 2014, 04:46:15 PM
I just want to point out that whatever the school does, there will be tons of media scrutiny....
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 02, 2014, 06:38:59 PM
knowing anything about him, his family situation and what type of influence he has on the other students in the school.
If a high school girl showed up to school pregnant, would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else? This is also like that (although not as severe).
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 02, 2014, 06:52:11 PM

If a high school girl showed up to school pregnant, would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else? This is also like that (although not as severe).
No I don't necessarily agree. I honestly don't know what should e done in such a circumstance but I do know that throwing a kid out of school is pikuach nefesh and I would leave the decision to greater people than myself.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 02, 2014, 06:58:11 PM
No I don't necessarily agree. I honestly don't know what should e done in such a circumstance but I do know that throwing a kid out of school is pikuach nefesh and I would leave the decision to greater people than myself.

Agreed.  What do you accomplish by throwing the kid out?  You think the other students in his class have never heard jokes like this anywhere else?

So is the point to throw him out because he embarrassed the school? 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 02, 2014, 06:58:28 PM
If a high school girl showed up to school pregnant, would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else?
no.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 02, 2014, 07:03:28 PM
Just to be clear, you'd all allow an obviously pregnant 16 year old to stay in school?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 02, 2014, 07:04:51 PM
Just to be clear, you'd all allow an obviously pregnant 16 year old to stay in school?
not going to speak for all but I would.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 02, 2014, 07:09:00 PM

Just to be clear, you'd all allow an obviously pregnant 16 year old to stay in school?
As I said, I don't know what I would do, it would greatly depend on the circumstance. Why are you so sure she should be thrown out? 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 02, 2014, 07:12:15 PM
As I said, I don't know what I would do, it would greatly depend on the circumstance. Why are you so sure she should be thrown out?

For the same reason we sit shiva when a family member intermarries. There are certain red lines that cause one to be excluded from the community.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 02, 2014, 07:17:22 PM

For the same reason we sit shiva when a family member intermarries. There are certain red lines that cause one to be excluded from the community.
I know your not equating intermarriage to pre marital sex so who decides where we draw this red line?  What if she didn't get pregnant?
Title: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 02, 2014, 07:21:30 PM
Because letting her stay is essentially condoning such behavior so what's to stop other girls from thinking it's not so bad and following in her steps?

ETA just to be clear, I don't think this is a fair comparison to the boy being discussed.
I don't think that not kicking someone out of a school is far from condoning the actions. I guess if it is considered condoning then there would be a shaila to ask.
Also, even if it was, what if she went to a school where other girls were participating In such actions but  didn't get pregnant. Would you still think she should be thrown out?
ETA: I would hope that the threat of being kicked out of school was not the only thing preventing girls from partaking in such activities.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on July 02, 2014, 07:32:58 PM
Because letting her stay is essentially condoning such behavior so what's to stop other girls from thinking it's not so bad and following in her steps?

ETA just to be clear, I don't think this is a fair comparison to the boy being discussed.
+1
There are many here as well who don't fully understand the world this boy is in...That being said, as someone from a very similar background to him, we were at the live show and you can actually see us cowering in the audience if you look carefully. In any circle this is highly inappropriate, and what bothers me most is his parents lack of judgement. The school did what they needed to do, IMHO, it's all they really can do or should do, especially given the circles we are talking about.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on July 02, 2014, 07:38:33 PM

+1
There are many here as well who don't fully understand the world this boy is in...That being said, as someone from a very similar background to him, we were at the live show and you can actually see us cowering in the audience if you look carefully. In any circle this is highly inappropriate, and what bothers me most is his parents lack of judgement. The school did what they needed to do, IMHO, it's all they really can do or should do, especially given the circles we are talking about.
I agree. While I come from a background where girls were kicked out of school for simply being seen in the mall with boys, I have many co workers who come from a modern background where premarital sex was an unfortunate norm in high school. Even they were stunned by the things that came out of such a young boy's mouth.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 02, 2014, 08:42:09 PM
I agree. While I come from a background where girls were kicked out of school for simply being seen in the mall with boys, I have many co workers who come from a modern background where premarital sex was an unfortunate norm in high school. Even they were stunned by the things that came out of such a young boy's mouth.
Maybe part of the reason why it's an unfortunate norm is because it's tolerated? 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 02, 2014, 09:12:11 PM
I wasn't making a comparison. I was simply establishing that there are situations where the kids should definitely be thrown regardless of family situation and etc.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on July 02, 2014, 09:18:43 PM
I wasn't making a comparison. I was simply establishing that there are situations where the kids should definitely be thrown regardless of family situation and etc.
and those situations seriously vary from circle to circle
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: etech0 on July 02, 2014, 09:19:54 PM
Talent!!!
It bothers me every time this thread pops up in my unread list.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on July 02, 2014, 09:23:47 PM
Talent!!!
It bothers me every time this thread pops up in my unread list.
+1 was gonna say that earlier but decided not to start up lol, also haven't read all posts, and was afraid it would be a REPOST
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on July 02, 2014, 09:24:29 PM

Talent!!!
It bothers me every time this thread pops up in my unread list.
Been wanting to do that since day one but it seemed tactless in light of the subject.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: etech0 on July 02, 2014, 09:26:36 PM
+1 was gonna say that earlier but decided not to start up lol, also haven't read all posts, and was afraid it would be a REPOST
I was worried about that too :)
Been wanting to do that since day one but it seemed tactless in light of the subject.
Well that's why I was able to do it. Haven't been following the thread at all...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 02, 2014, 09:27:12 PM

I was worried about that too :)Well that's why I was able to do it. Haven't been following the thread at all...
:))
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: etech0 on July 02, 2014, 09:29:48 PM
:))
:)
Well now I'm following this thread...  ::)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 03, 2014, 06:18:17 PM
If a high school girl showed up to school pregnant, would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else? This is also like that (although not as severe).

What if she was raped?  It's not like you to make such blanket statements.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 03, 2014, 06:25:50 PM
What if she was raped?  It's not like you to make such blanket statements.
:-\::)???
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 03, 2014, 07:40:06 PM
and those situations seriously vary from circle to circle
I don't think anybody disputes that…
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 03, 2014, 08:42:19 PM
:-\::)???
+1,000  ::)  ???
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 03, 2014, 10:15:47 PM
:-\::)???

+1,000  ::)  ???

I'm not sure what was so confusing about my post.  From what I've seen, PG doesn't normally generalize and here he painted with an incredibly broad brush:  "would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else?"

My point is people shouldn't be so quick to judge or throw people out of schools/shuls.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2014, 02:44:56 AM
I'm not sure what was so confusing about my post.  From what I've seen, PG doesn't normally generalize and here he painted with an incredibly broad brush:  "would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else?"

My point is people shouldn't be so quick to judge or throw people out of schools/shuls.
::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 06, 2014, 10:22:33 AM
I'm not sure what was so confusing about my post.  From what I've seen, PG doesn't normally generalize and here he painted with an incredibly broad brush:  "would you agree she should be thrown out regardless of anything else?"

My point is people shouldn't be so quick to judge or throw people out of schools/shuls.
did you really think that is what he meant?:-\:-\:-\::)::)::)???????????????
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2014, 02:39:38 PM
did you really think that is what he meant?:-\:-\:-\::)::)::)???????????????
+1,000 :-\:-\:-\::)::)::)???????????????

 ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 06, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
did you really think that is what he meant?:-\:-\:-\::)::)::)???????????????

Unfortunately, it's difficult to tell in our community.  There are plenty of people that would request that such a victim be removed from school.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'(  (Gratuitous smilies added to keep with your trend)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2014, 09:48:50 PM
Unfortunately, it's difficult to tell in our community.  There are plenty of people that would request that such a victim be removed from school.  :'( :'( :'( :'( :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :'( :'( :'(  (Gratuitous smilies added to keep with your trend)
If all the oceans were full of  ::) and all the trees were  ??? it still wouldn't be enough to respond to your comment.  ;D ;D 8) 8)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 06, 2014, 10:05:46 PM
If all the oceans were full of  ::) and all the trees were  ??? it still wouldn't be enough to respond to your comment.  ;D ;D 8) 8)

So much derision and avoidance.  Why don't we just let PG clarify what he meant?  :o :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 06, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
So much derision and avoidance.  Why don't we just let PG clarify what he meant?  :o :o :o :o :o :o
If you need it clarified you have a serious chip on your shoulder.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 06, 2014, 10:41:24 PM
Why don't we just let PG clarify what he meant?
I'm completely confused by all these faces. I guess I'm getting old.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on July 06, 2014, 10:45:57 PM
I'm completely confused by all these faces. I guess I'm getting old.
+1...lost me a while ago
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 06, 2014, 10:58:40 PM
If you need it clarified you have a serious chip on your shoulder.

More projection and avoidance.  ::)

Chip on my shoulder?  No.  Sensitive to this topic? Yes.  I personally know such a situation in our local Bais Yaakov and the mocking from the classmates' parents got so bad the family had to ship their 15 yo pregnant daughter to a school in the Midwest.  So yes, blanket statements like that should be clarified or at least qualified.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 06, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
That the chip has a background doesn't make it not a chip. Based on the context it is ridiculous to think he is including rape victims.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 06, 2014, 11:32:47 PM
That the chip has a background doesn't make it not a chip. Based on the context it is ridiculous to think he is including rape victims.
ridiculous is an understatement.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 07, 2014, 03:12:04 PM
I'm completely confused by all these faces. I guess I'm getting old.
you don't need to be old to be confused.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on July 07, 2014, 03:49:51 PM
maybe a little out of line: premarital/ non wedlock sex is with all probability chaivay krisus getting a abortion may be muttar gamur, so if for whatever stupid reason the girl didnt do a abortion it was her choice and the school has all the rights to throw her out
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 07, 2014, 04:00:32 PM
maybe a little out of line: premarital/ non wedlock sex is with all probability chaivay krisus getting a abortion may be muttar gamur, so if for whatever stupid reason the girl didnt do a abortion it was her choice and the school has all the rights to throw her out
Also, getting a abortion may be ossur gamur.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 07, 2014, 04:03:51 PM
More projection and avoidance.  ::)

Chip on my shoulder?  No.  Sensitive to this topic? Yes.  I personally know such a situation in our local Bais Yaakov and the mocking from the classmates' parents got so bad the family had to ship their 15 yo pregnant daughter to a school in the Midwest.  So yes, blanket statements like that should be clarified or at least qualified.
Not very likely to get pregnant from a single rape
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on July 07, 2014, 04:05:01 PM
Also, getting a abortion may be ossur gamur.
you obliviously totally misunderstood what i said . in what i was reffering to its muttar
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 07, 2014, 04:10:44 PM
you obliviously totally misunderstood what i said . in what i was reffering to its muttar
+1 Sorry, totally not following this convo (which went wildly OT whilst we await the nest season or wtvr.) I just saw a strange looking post and auto responded.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on July 07, 2014, 04:14:37 PM
+1 Sorry, totally not following this convo (which went wildly OT whilst we await the nest season or wtvr.) I just saw a strange looking post and auto responded.
the circumstances can vary but being that she had a 40 day window that its muttar to abort ,(till 40 days the gemara calls it maya bealma) being that she is not obligated to keep the child  it is essentially her choice to abort or leave , she chose to leave the school
 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 07, 2014, 07:14:54 PM
the circumstances can vary but being that she had a 40 day window that its muttar to abort ,(till 40 days the gemara calls it maya bealma) being that she is not obligated to keep the child  it is essentially her choice to abort or leave , she chose to leave the school

Probably wouldn't even realize within 40 days
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 07, 2014, 07:31:17 PM
Probably wouldn't even realize within 40 days
plan b
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 07, 2014, 07:36:54 PM
Probably wouldn't even realize within 40 days
I'd assume a raped girl would be checking


Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 07, 2014, 07:59:33 PM
maybe the title of this thread needs to be changed. i seen threads go OT but this one ranks near the top.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 07, 2014, 08:01:44 PM
maybe the title of this thread needs to be changed. i seen threads go OT but this one ranks near the top.
In your 2 week history?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 07, 2014, 08:02:59 PM
In your 2 week history?
some of us read more than we post.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MC on July 07, 2014, 08:03:05 PM

In your 2 week history?
:D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 07, 2014, 08:03:54 PM
some of us read more than we post.
Then you would know that this thread is one of the closest to the topic of the threads of this nature :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 07, 2014, 08:06:51 PM
Then you would know that this thread is one of the closest to the topic of the threads of this nature :)
telling jokes to a pregnant girl in school that was raped. I guess I have a lot more reading to do.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avrumy22 on July 07, 2014, 08:12:46 PM
some of us read more than we post.

max could be 5 weeks... you joined in June  :o
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ari2955 on July 07, 2014, 08:23:03 PM
max could be 5 weeks... you joined in June  :o
There are many non-member readers. (currently over 200 guests online)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 07, 2014, 08:24:13 PM
There are many non-member readers. (currently over 200 guests online)
and many more members that read the forums before they join.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avrumy22 on July 07, 2014, 08:27:08 PM
and many more members that read the forums before they join.
sorry about that
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2014, 08:29:20 PM
some of us read more than we post.
If in the last few weeks you've read more than you posted, you probably were on DDF 24/6. Were you? Dead serious question.  ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 07, 2014, 08:32:07 PM
sorry about that
it should be me that is sorry for taking this even more OT. back to reading.  :-[
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on July 07, 2014, 11:50:06 PM
I'd assume a raped girl would be checking
+ 1 or someone involved, would be checking its pretty hard to miss
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 08, 2014, 08:11:21 AM
+ 1 or someone involved, would be checking its pretty hard to miss

At 40 days it isn't.  That's only about 10 days after you start getting suspicious, and just at the edge of where pregnancy tests start to pick it up.  The window we are talking about is really only a couple days long.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 08, 2014, 08:16:57 AM
At 40 days it isn't.  That's only about 10 days after you start getting suspicious, and just at the edge of where pregnancy tests start to pick it up.  The window we are talking about is really only a couple days long.
-1
We're talking 40 from conception, not from LMP
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on July 08, 2014, 11:07:12 AM
At 40 days it isn't.  That's only about 10 days after you start getting suspicious, and just at the edge of where pregnancy tests start to pick it up.  The window we are talking about is really only a couple days long.
any single girl would be worried sick if they were preg and would be very couscous and would not wait around till they are busting out of their clothes to find out. its more like 25 days from day of suspicion
-1
We're talking 40 from conception, not from LMP
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 08, 2014, 11:14:11 AM
-1
We're talking 40 from conception, not from LMP

Yes, my mistake.  So add ~12 days then. 

Leaves you with ~18 days before anything suspicious, then several days before a pregnancy test would find it.  So the window is 2-3 weeks.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 08, 2014, 11:24:23 AM
Yes, my mistake.  So add ~12 days then. 

Leaves you with ~18 days before anything suspicious, then several days before a pregnancy test would find it.  So the window is 2-3 weeks.


Plenty of time, though I think this whole distraction is silly, why should you force a girl to go through an abortion?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 08, 2014, 11:29:42 AM

Plenty of time, though I think this whole distraction is silly, why should you force a girl to go through an abortion?
Well apparently according to some here the fetus is a roodief so ....
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on July 08, 2014, 11:31:19 AM
Well apparently according to some here the fetus is a roodief so ....
In that case you can abort after 40 too.. :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 08, 2014, 01:09:16 PM
Yes, my mistake.  So add ~12 days then. 

Leaves you with ~18 days before anything suspicious, then several days before a pregnancy test would find it.  So the window is 2-3 weeks.
When was the last time you bought a test?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 08, 2014, 01:10:02 PM
When was the last time you bought a test?

None of your beeswax.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on July 08, 2014, 01:19:41 PM
Yes, my mistake.  So add ~12 days then. 

Leaves you with ~18 days before anything suspicious, then several days before a pregnancy test would find it.  So the window is 2-3 weeks.
i dont get your math but a expected ms is about 14 days from time of ovul so that leaves 26 days almost a month late.
Plenty of time, though I think this whole distraction is silly, why should you force a girl to go through an abortion?
a. no one is forcing her to do anything my point is if its not a normal situation to be in school preg its perfectly normal to abort and attend school or leave school and start a family that choice is hers, its not the school throwing her out
b. the idea of calling it a abortion (at that stage ) is not a halachic prespective there is somthing seriously wrong with someone who wont do a abortion, i would physicaly force her
Well apparently according to some here the fetus is a roodief so ....
if you are refering to me , i made clear its mutar cuz its maya bealma its more muttar than using a birth preventative,
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 08, 2014, 01:34:46 PM
When was the last time you bought a test?
My point is that your numbers are wrong
None of your beeswax.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on July 08, 2014, 01:44:41 PM

if you are refering to me , i made clear its mutar cuz its maya bealma its more muttar than using a birth preventative,
Nope wasn't referring to you.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 08, 2014, 03:36:35 PM
My point is that your numbers are wrong

I've been wrong before.

Still, I'm right. If you knew I was wrong, you would have written what the real numbers were.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 08, 2014, 04:01:32 PM
@dans fan, you are making this sugiya way to simplistic. It aint. Nothing ever is.  ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 08, 2014, 04:12:51 PM
I've been wrong before.

Still, I'm right. If you knew I was wrong, you would have written what the real numbers were.
There are readily available tests which give results 6 days before missed period. At 2 weeks from ovulation to period that means starting 8 days after ovulation. This leaves 32 days.

This is besides the option of plan b and other "Hobby Lobby" contaceptives.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChAiM'l on July 08, 2014, 04:58:02 PM
I seem to have gotten lost. Can anyone provide directions back to the AGT thread?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on July 08, 2014, 05:00:09 PM
I seem to have gotten lost. Can anyone provide directions back to the AGT thread?
my apologize. i get the forums mixed up. i thought this was JS.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Super Speed on July 08, 2014, 05:07:37 PM
This is bad, why the hell is there a discussion going on about pregnancy tests???

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 08, 2014, 05:36:01 PM
This is bad, why the hell is there a discussion going on about pregnancy tests???
+999999999999999
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 08, 2014, 05:36:25 PM
This is bad, why the h--- is there a discussion going on about pregnancy tests???

Why the pregnancy do you need to talk like that?

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 08, 2014, 05:42:32 PM
Why the pregnancy do you need to talk like that?
I would have given him a full +zillion if he would have used better terminology.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 08, 2014, 05:45:21 PM
I seem to have gotten lost. Can anyone provide directions back to the AGT thread?
when you get them do you mind sending a PM to me?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: henche on July 08, 2014, 05:50:36 PM
I would have given him a full +zillion if he would have used better terminology.
+zillion
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on July 09, 2014, 04:16:59 PM
This thread has gone rotten to the core. I'm going to go bathe in hand sanitizer now. Sickos. Worse than that MO kid with the dirty jokes.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 09, 2014, 04:24:37 PM
This thread has gone rotten to the core. I'm going to go bathe in hand sanitizer now. Sickos. Worse than that MO kid with the dirty jokes.
Its the milk. Its the milk. Its the milk.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on July 09, 2014, 05:48:39 PM
Its the milk. Its the milk. Its the milk.

Gevald! You're telling me the frumyaks on this forum are also suffering from self-induced timtum hamo'ach? If that is true, I am really disappointed.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 09, 2014, 06:04:34 PM
This thread has gone rotten to the core. I'm going to go bathe in hand sanitizer now. Sickos. Worse than that MO kid with the dirty jokes.
might be time to put this thread on ignore?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on July 09, 2014, 10:38:50 PM
might be time to put this thread on ignore?
Please do  ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: joeb1 on July 25, 2014, 12:08:38 AM
i didnt see him in the next round
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moshe123 on July 25, 2014, 12:30:21 AM
ודאי עשה תשובה
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Joe4007 on July 28, 2014, 11:01:40 AM
From his Instagram account (http://instagram.com/joshorlian):
Quote
I unfortunately was not selected by the judges to be among the top 48 acts to make it to Radio City. While I'm disappointed that my #judgmentweek performance was not aired, I think that I did well and left a good impression on the judges. I want to thank everyone at #agt the great opportunity; this was an experience I will never forget. I also want to congratulate the acts that made it through. I made some great friends; it was an honor to spend so much time with you and I will be watching and rooting for you. Of course I want to thank my family for your encouragement and support. Finally, what made being part of AGT so rewarding was the great response from fans across America who cheered me on, started fan pages for me and always let me know that they were on my side. I am so happy that I was able to make you laugh. You have not seen the last of #naughtyjosh! Stay tuned! Love, Josh
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: SamKey on July 28, 2014, 11:05:38 AM
i didnt see him in the next round
they show him on the side not his performance
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on July 28, 2014, 12:11:09 PM
From his Instagram account (http://instagram.com/joshorlian):

That's his moniker? #NaughtyJosh? Sounds like he is sticking with the blue material.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: danrocks613 on August 19, 2014, 09:20:54 PM
 I'm  at AGT and announcer just said
"a lot of yarmulkas in crowd - more than my bar mitzvah. It should be called orthodox got talent."
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 19, 2014, 10:50:03 PM
I'm  at AGT and announcer just said
"a lot of yarmulkas in crowd - more than my bar mitzvah. It should be called orthodox got talent."

Going to AGT became like going to the Bronx Zoo on chol hamoed? How do these things start?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on August 19, 2014, 10:53:43 PM
Going to AGT became like going to the Bronx Zoo on chol hamoed? How do these things start?
free entertainment...count most Jews in! :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 09:39:22 AM
Kol Isha, count all Shulchan Aruch observing Jews out.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on August 20, 2014, 09:52:56 AM
Kol Isha, count all Shulchan Aruch observing Jews out.

 ::)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 09:54:39 AM
::)
Why the eyes?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 20, 2014, 09:55:23 AM
What jokes did he tell this time?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Joe4007 on August 20, 2014, 10:01:26 AM
What jokes did he tell this time?
From his Instagram account (http://instagram.com/joshorlian):
Quote
I unfortunately was not selected by the judges to be among the top 48 acts to make it to Radio City. While I'm disappointed that my #judgmentweek performance was not aired, I think that I did well and left a good impression on the judges. I want to thank everyone at #agt the great opportunity; this was an experience I will never forget. I also want to congratulate the acts that made it through. I made some great friends; it was an honor to spend so much time with you and I will be watching and rooting for you. Of course I want to thank my family for your encouragement and support. Finally, what made being part of AGT so rewarding was the great response from fans across America who cheered me on, started fan pages for me and always let me know that they were on my side. I am so happy that I was able to make you laugh. You have not seen the last of #naughtyjosh! Stay tuned! Love, Josh
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 20, 2014, 10:15:25 AM
As predicted:
I doubt that there will be (another) one.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 12:02:48 PM
free entertainment...count most Jews in! :)

And if they were giving away free cheeseburgers at McDonald's?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 20, 2014, 12:04:57 PM
And if they were giving away free cheeseburgers at McDonald's?
They would get them and resell them.  :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 20, 2014, 12:06:07 PM

They would get them and resell them.  :P
probably just as bad as eating them : P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on August 20, 2014, 12:27:53 PM
probably just as bad as eating them : P
Prob not a דארייתא
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 12:35:20 PM
Prob not a דארייתא
It may be mutar. Because it's basar vechalav tzeli, which is a whole shmuz in the Ran, Chasam Sofer and R Akiva Eiger. But without getting into detail, it may be mutar behanaah.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on August 20, 2014, 12:39:00 PM
It may be mutar. Because it's basar vechalav tzeli, which is a whole shmuz in the Ran, Chasam Sofer and R Akiva Eiger. But without getting into detail, it may be mutar behanaah.
Was going in that direction... Also do they grill it with the cheese on or pour it on after when it's hot
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 20, 2014, 12:49:44 PM

Prob not a דארייתא
It may be mutar. Because it's basar vechalav tzeli, which is a whole shmuz in the Ran, Chasam Sofer and R Akiva Eiger. But without getting into detail, it may be mutar behanaah.
Was going in that direction... Also do they grill it with the cheese on or pour it on after when it's hot
hence
probably just as bad as eating them : P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 12:56:06 PM
Was going in that direction... Also do they grill it with the cheese on or pour it on after when it's hot
are you a Maharat or something? How do you know this sugya so well.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on August 20, 2014, 12:57:23 PM
are you a Maharat or something? How do you know this sugya so well.
Lol im not a female... Noticed that in my profile recently can't seem to change on my phone so haven't bothered
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 12:58:29 PM
Lol im not a female... Noticed that in my profile recently can't seem to change on my phone so haven't bothered
ALOL!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
Bigger question is there's any real meat in their burgers.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moes Tavern on August 20, 2014, 01:34:49 PM
Bigger question is there's any real meat in their burgers.
I believe Horse is considered meat.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on August 20, 2014, 01:42:43 PM
I believe Horse is considered meat.
No issur hanaah
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 01:47:57 PM
No issur hanaah
But Basar Vachalav does.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: elit on August 20, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
But Basar Vachalav does.
Not if the bassur is horse meat
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on August 20, 2014, 01:50:31 PM
Not with basar tamei
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 01:54:44 PM
Good point!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Mordyk on August 20, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
now this thread became a halacha duscussion  :D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 20, 2014, 01:59:32 PM
CV would have loved this thread...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 02:02:31 PM
Actually, a McDonald's cheeseburger is not basar tamei. It's b'sar neveila.
Title: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 20, 2014, 02:03:55 PM
Actually, a McDonald's cheeseburger is not basar tamei. It's b'sar neveila.
not if they use horse meat. And even if it is neveila it's a machlokes if it's assur b'hanuh (altz bassur v'chalov)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: danrocks613 on August 20, 2014, 02:17:39 PM

Kol Isha, count all Shulchan Aruch observing Jews out.
Point well taken. Last night we got lucky and there was only one act (the final one) which featured a woman singing. I stepped out for that as I would have for any other act that required so.
That being said, if you go to any sporting event there is kol isha/ dancers/ cheerleaders... Doesn't mean you shouldn't go - just step out or turn away when necessary.
And for the record - Shulchan aruch observing Jews are dan l'kaf zechus.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 20, 2014, 02:27:07 PM
Point well taken. Last night we got lucky and there was only one act (the final one) which featured a woman singing. I stepped out for that as I would have for any other act that required so.
That being said, if you go to any sporting event there is kol isha/ dancers/ cheerleaders... Doesn't mean you shouldn't go - just step out or turn away when necessary.
And for the record - Shulchan aruch observing Jews are dan l'kaf zechus.
I wasn't talking directly to you. Don't take it personal.

I promise you, if you'd ask Rav Yosef Karo if you should go to an AGT event, he would tell you no.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: danrocks613 on August 20, 2014, 02:50:26 PM
Would he let you go to the watch the knicks city dancers? 

Or listen to fill in the blank sing the national anthem?

As I wrote point well taken - one must be cognizant of these issues.  Doesn't mean you can't entertain yourself with what IS permitted.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 03:51:27 PM
Would he let you go to the watch the knicks city dancers? 

Or listen to fill in the blank sing the national anthem?

As I wrote point well taken - one must be cognizant of these issues.  Doesn't mean you can't entertain yourself with what IS permitted.

And that is the deeper question... not whether it is permitted or not, but whether it is entertaining or not. Yiras shamayim doesn't mean depriving myself of fun, it means changing my definition of fun. Or better yet, growing up and realizing that the stuff I used to think was fun is actually kind of lame compared to real fun.

Unfortunately we see a lot now days that there is one camp that says, "Have your Judaism and have your fun, just remember to daven mincha at the 7th inning stretch," and another camp that says, "We don't need no fun! We have Judaism!"

Very few truly strive for the true ideal which is that my Yiddishkeit is my fun.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 03:56:39 PM
Yiras shamayim doesn't mean depriving myself of fun, it means changing my definition of fun.
You're saying that things that are Assur aren't fun? Do you have a source for that?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: danrocks613 on August 20, 2014, 04:06:18 PM
Agreed. I don't think anyone will debate that. What irks me is in the discussion of permissibility when ppl make distinctions this show/video/event/... is permitted and this one isn't just to rationalize in their minds that's what they do is correct and then spew it to the public as if that's the rules.
In a discussion of what we each should strive for (which this isn't)  one should strive to be able to realize the true taanug. 
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Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 20, 2014, 04:17:37 PM
No need to be jealous if you can't eat MD's.  :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 04:18:06 PM
Agreed. I don't think anyone will debate that. What irks me is in the discussion of permissibility when ppl make distinctions this show/video/event/... is permitted and this one isn't just to rationalize in their minds that's what they do is correct and then spew it to the public as if that's the rules.
In a discussion of what we each should strive for (which this isn't)  one should strive to be able to realize the true taanug.
I do debate that, please quote a source. Very strong statement to say that whatever is Assur isn't fun.

The correct statement would be that man isn't created to pursue fun.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 04:26:55 PM
I do debate that, please quote a source. Very strong statement to say that whatever is Assur isn't fun.

I never said that. I just said that as you grow up and become a mentsch, you realize that what you thought was so awesome is really not so awesome. I don't need a makor for that! When you were five, you went nuts for a roll of Winkies. When you were fifteen you grew out of that. Winkies are still geshmak, just not as geshmak as you thought.

The correct statement would be that man isn't created to pursue fun.

I agree with you. That is Toras HaBaal Shem Tov, that the purpose of life is to give Hashem nachas, not me. However, Ramchal will disagree and say that the purpose of life is to pursue fun... just fun in olam habah known as s'char. But like I already said, I agree with you.   
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 04:32:27 PM
I never said that.


Seems to me you did
not whether it is permitted or not, but whether it is entertaining or not. Yiras shamayim doesn't mean depriving myself of fun, it means changing my definition of fun. Or better yet, growing up and realizing that the stuff I used to think was fun is actually kind of lame

I agree with you. That is Toras HaBaal Shem Tov, that the purpose of life is to give Hashem nachas, not me. However, Ramchal will disagree and say that the purpose of life is to pursue fun... just fun in olam habah known as s'char. But like I already said, I agree with you.   
My point, and I have a feeling you know it, was that in this world one's responsibility isn't to pursue 'fun'. (furthermore, though I may be wrong I don't believe that's what the Ramchal says. The idea of  נהמא דכיסופא is that Hashem created us to be able to give us pleasure, however after we have torah & mitzvos the mission is only to comply with Ratzon hashem, not to try to get enjoyment by complying w ration hashem)

I just said that as you grow up and become a mentsch, you realize that what you thought was so awesome is really not so awesome. I don't need a makor for that! When you were five, you went nuts for a roll of Winkies. When you were fifteen you grew out of that. Winkies are still geshmak, just not as geshmak as you thought.
That doesn't mean the kid didn't 100% enjoy the winkies. So likewise here, listening to the shiktza can be 100% entertaining & fun yet the ultimate schar is greater.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 04:40:32 PM
Wow, I'll tell you what's not fun...

You took a lot of words to essentially agree with me. Why so combative?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 04:44:05 PM
Wow, I'll tell you what's not fun...

You took a lot of words to essentially agree with me. Why so combative?
Your original post said one shouldn't go to AGT because it's not really entertaining or fun. I didn't believe you had a source for that so i called you out on that.

The gemara at the end of Eizhu Neshech says one of the amorim would make his young children lend money bribbis so they can see the pleasure of earning  interest and get more schar for abstaining from it when they become of age. (Yes I know machlos assurim is a machlokes rishonim)

If I misunderstood your point, I apologize. But I definitely used less words than you
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
Your original post said one shouldn't go to AGT because it's not really entertaining or fun. I didn't believe you had a source for that so i called you out on that.

The gemara at the end of Eizhu Neshech says one of the amorim would make his young children lend money bribbis so they can see the pleasure of earning  interest and get more schar for abstaining from it when they become of age. (Yes I know machlos assurim is a machlokes rishonim)

If I misunderstood your point, I apologize. But I definitely used less words than you

Sweet friend, there are levels in fun. Spinning around until you're dizzy is fun. At least it would seem so from my little sons and daughters who do it all the time. I am sure AGT is fun. I am sure that a Yankee's game is fun. Peekaboo is also fun.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 04:56:50 PM
Sweet friend, there are levels in fun. Spinning around until you're dizzy is fun. At least it would seem so from my little sons and daughters who do it all the time. I am sure AGT is fun. I am sure that a Yankee's game is fun. Peekaboo is also fun.
I actually don't think a Yankees game is fun at all. But I am confused about your point.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 20, 2014, 05:14:40 PM
I actually don't think a Yankees game is fun at all. But I am confused about your point.

Well there are 80,000 people who do think it's fun. Congratulations for not being one of them.

My point is only this: there are levels of fun. Aveiros can be pleasurable, that's why people DO them. (I won't get into the side discussion of how much actual pleasure there is and how much that pleasure is compounded by the mayim genuvim yimtaku...)

Today, in the "frum" world, there are two main camps. Those who says: I want my Judaism and I want my fun (minyan at a Yankee's game, or daf yomi shiur AFTER the AGT show) and then there are those who say, "I want my Judaism INSTEAD of fun! I don't NEED fun."

The healthier, and more true approach is that Judaism IS fun.

Now the question is HOW fun is Judaism? Well, it all depends on you and where you are holding right now. You can be a person who would rather go to AGT than learn a blat gemara but you can become a person who would genuinely prefer a blat gemara to AGT.

That's all I am saying. If it is still unclear, I am sorry. I guess I am not a very good communicator.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 20, 2014, 05:18:59 PM
The healthier, and more true approach is that Judaism IS fun.

Now the question is HOW fun is Judaism? Well, it all depends on you and where you are holding right now. You can be a person who would rather go to AGT than learn a blat gemara but you can become a person who would genuinely prefer a blat gemara to AGT.

That's all I am saying. If it is still unclear, I am sorry. I guess I am not a very good communicator.
I get it.  :)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 05:20:40 PM

Now the question is HOW fun is Judaism? Well, it all depends on you and where you are holding right now. You can be a person who would rather go to AGT than learn a blat gemara but you can become a person who would genuinely prefer a blat gemara to AGT.

With that I agree. Now I know what you and your wife do on date night
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 20, 2014, 05:22:07 PM

Sweet friend, there are levels in fun. Spinning around until you're dizzy is fun. I am sure AGT is fun. I am sure that a Yankee's game is fun. Peekaboo is also fun.
This thread used to be fun :p guess I'm growing up.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sguitarist18 on August 20, 2014, 05:31:55 PM
The gemara at the end of Eizhu Neshech says one of the amorim would make his young children lend money bribbis so they can see the pleasure of earning  interest and get more schar for abstaining from it when they become of age. (Yes I know machlos assurim is a machlokes rishonim)

Where is that gemara? Are you talking about the gemara on 75a? Because that's not what that gemara says (although maybe you're referring to a different one I'm not familiar with).
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 20, 2014, 05:38:37 PM
With that I agree. Now I know what you and your wife do on date night
The first Mitzvah? ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
Where is that gemara? Are you talking about the gemara on 75a? Because that's not what that gemara says (although maybe you're referring to a different one I'm not familiar with).
Yes, just checked. I got the story wrong (it's been 4 years), but according to R Channenel and the Rif the genera does say that essentially there's an inyan to know fun it is (Rashi has a dif pshat).

Do you disagree?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 20, 2014, 05:40:14 PM
The first Mitzvah? ;)
I meant

prefer a blat gemara to AGT.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sguitarist18 on August 20, 2014, 07:00:16 PM
Yes, just checked. I got the story wrong (it's been 4 years), but according to R Channenel and the Rif the genera does say that essentially there's an inyan to know fun it is (Rashi has a dif pshat).

Do you disagree?

I'd have to check the meforshim. :-)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on August 20, 2014, 07:13:02 PM

Why the eyes?

They were for what was clearly going to follow from your comment.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: BigDanFan on August 20, 2014, 11:43:55 PM
The first Mitzvah? ;)

just like your avatar
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Post by: Joe4007 on August 20, 2014, 11:48:00 PM
just like your avatar
ROFL!
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Post by: Achas Veachas on August 20, 2014, 11:49:52 PM
just like your avatar
ROFL!
Huh? That's simple arithmetic... :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 21, 2014, 04:33:58 PM
No need to be jealous if you can't eat MD's.  :)
Looks like you never tried it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 21, 2014, 04:35:32 PM
Looks like you never tried it.
Some things you don't need to try.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Dan on August 21, 2014, 06:47:24 PM
Let me tell you, I've eaten MCD's and it's nothing I ever need to try again :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 21, 2014, 06:54:47 PM
Let me tell you, I've eaten MCD's and it's nothing I ever need to try again :P
Does Kosher count? :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 21, 2014, 07:02:44 PM
Let me tell you, I've eaten MCD's and it's nothing I ever need to try again :P
Now your a food expert.  ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Dan on August 21, 2014, 11:24:05 PM
Does Kosher count? :P
So you're saying it's like the mashul of pauper asking his wife to make him what the king eats...

Perhaps, though from what I hear it's got nothing on a Milt's burger either way ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on August 23, 2014, 11:11:52 PM
Point well taken. Last night we got lucky and there was only one act (the final one) which featured a woman singing. I stepped out for that as I would have for any other act that required so.
That being said, if you go to any sporting event there is kol isha/ dancers/ cheerleaders... Doesn't mean you shouldn't go - just step out or turn away when necessary.
And for the record - Shulchan aruch observing Jews are dan l'kaf zechus.
-10000. if you go you are  a RASHA
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 23, 2014, 11:20:24 PM
-10000. if you go you are  a RASHA

If you eat before havdalah, you are also a rasha.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 23, 2014, 11:37:50 PM
Just had a quick look at your profile and some of your posts and replies to see what youre about . To put it nicely, your opinion doesn't count for much.
  אוהב מוסר, אוהב דעת; ושונא תוכחת בער
 
(משלי יב - א)


A Frum Jew does not belong by AGT. Period.

You're not a Rasha. כי כל העם בשגגה
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on August 24, 2014, 12:09:04 AM

  אוהב מוסר, אוהב דעת; ושונא תוכחת בער
 
(משלי יב - א)


A Frum Jew does not belong by AGT. Period.

You're not a Rasha. כי כל העם בשגגה
the same frum Jew should not be online
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2014, 12:11:49 AM
the same frum Jew should not be online
I use K9.  :)

Believe it or not - I asked my Rav, and he allowed me in my circumstances with k9. (He even specified which categories I have to block).
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on August 24, 2014, 12:16:21 AM

I use K9.  :)
my point is that if AGT is unacceptable for you then being online for anything other than business reasons should also be unacceptable (as per all the rabbonim)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on August 24, 2014, 07:33:22 AM
my point is that if AGT is unacceptable for you then being online for anything other than business reasons should also be unacceptable (as per all the rabbonim)
What in the world does one have to do with the other? Every time someone has a criticism of something based on frumkeit which they post online someone has to give this same stupid answer which doesn't answer anything
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on August 24, 2014, 11:28:51 PM
What in the world does one have to do with the other? Every time someone has a criticism of something based on frumkeit which they post online someone has to give this same stupid answer which doesn't answer anything

It's not an answer.  It's a call to stop judging others when no one is perfect.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on August 24, 2014, 11:47:08 PM
It's not an answer.  It's a call to stop judging others when no one is perfect.
He did not judge anyone. He said that a specific action is wrong in his opinion. To that he was answered the stupid excuse for any online criticism "if you are so frum don't be online" which had zero relevance to his non-judgemental statement.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on August 24, 2014, 11:57:47 PM
It's not an answer.  It's a call to stop judging others when no one is perfect.
I specifically wrote that I don't believe he's a Rasha, Ki kal Ha'am Beshgaga - that's the definition of pointing out a wrongdoing without judging.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on August 25, 2014, 12:12:30 AM
These posts about other people's religious choices, in my opinion are a big chilul Hashem...can you imagine what this looks like to the non Jews amongst us? Not trying to give mussar here, healthy religious debate is fine but keep in mind this is an open forum, we should act accordingly
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 25, 2014, 12:14:03 AM
These posts about other people's religious choices, in my opinion are a big chilul Hashem...can you imagine what this looks like to the non Jews amongst us? Not trying to give mussar here, healthy religious debate is fine but keep in mind this is an open forum, we should act accordingly
Chilul hashem isn't judged by the opinion of the observer.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on August 25, 2014, 12:28:33 AM
Chilul hashem isn't judged by the opinion of the observer.
ok well I'd rather not have to cringe when reading some things people say about others choices...maybe I'm overly sensitive- I just don't see the good
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 25, 2014, 04:44:02 PM
-10000. if you go you are  a RASHA
Source?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sguitarist18 on August 25, 2014, 05:25:59 PM
Yes, just checked. I got the story wrong (it's been 4 years), but according to R Channenel and the Rif the genera does say that essentially there's an inyan to know fun it is (Rashi has a dif pshat).

Do you disagree?

I don't see any Rabeinu Chananel on the daf (are you referring to a separate sefer?), and the Rif on this Gemara skips that piece...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
Source?
Tanya beg of Perek 1 ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 25, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
Tanya beg of Perek 1 ;)
Not there
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2014, 05:57:23 PM
Not there
Quote
וכ"ש וק"ו במבטל איזו מ"ע שאפש' לו לקיימה כמו כל שאפשר לו לעסוק בתורה ואינו עוסק שעליו דרשו רז"ל כי דבר ה' בזה וגו' הכרת תכרת וגו' ופשיטא דמקרי רשע טפי מעובר איסור דרבנן
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 25, 2014, 07:38:50 PM
Tanya beg of Perek 1 ;)
If you're going by that definition (practically) everyone is a rasha
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2014, 07:42:18 PM
If you're going by that definition (practically) everyone is a rasha
the ;) (which I actually meant to put a :P ) was there to show that I meant it to be taken tongue-in-cheek...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 25, 2014, 08:13:30 PM
If you're going by that definition (practically) everyone is a rasha

Utt azoi. And now perhaps the time has finally come for the DDF Tanya shiur thread.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2014, 08:31:45 PM
Utt azoi. And now perhaps the time has finally come for the DDF Tanya shiur thread.
Didn't you start one a while back?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2014, 08:39:07 PM
If you're going by that definition (practically) everyone is a rasha
Indeed, though there are levels with the rasha category.  A beinoni of the Tanya is an extremely high level.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on August 25, 2014, 09:05:13 PM
I'm lovin this holier than thou pissing contest! I'm getting the popcorn.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 25, 2014, 09:13:44 PM
I'm lovin this holier than thou pissing contest! I'm getting the popcorn.
+1
I'm in with crackers and humus
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 25, 2014, 09:32:28 PM
Indeed, though there are levels with the rasha category.  A beinoni of the Tanya is an extremely high level.
Yeah (like never did a Chet in his life high level). Kinda depressing
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 25, 2014, 09:38:06 PM
Yeah (like never did a Chet in his life high level). Kinda depressing
You ever did?? If yes - what was it?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on August 25, 2014, 09:40:57 PM
You ever did?? If yes - what was it?
lol now, there's a fun idea for a thread...DDF confessional
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 25, 2014, 09:42:03 PM
I always had a serious taavah for shatnez
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 25, 2014, 09:44:29 PM
Yeah (like never did a Chet in his life high level). Kinda depressing
Dont want to get too philosophical here but whys that depressing?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 25, 2014, 09:46:43 PM
I always had a serious taavah for shatnez
Well, the taaveh itself is not a chet
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2014, 09:46:52 PM
I always had a serious taavah for shatnez
Having a Ta'avah doesn't make you a Rasha, that's a Beinoni :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 25, 2014, 09:49:09 PM
Having a Ta'avah doesn't make you a Rasha, that's a Beinoni :P
I knew some of you will find a way to blend some Tanya stuff into it.


Can I challenge you for 48 hours not to blend in chabad stuff when you talk about Judaism?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 25, 2014, 09:56:49 PM

Well, the taaveh itself is not a chet
actually according to the Rambam when It comes to non mitzvos  sichly you should have a taaveh for it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 25, 2014, 10:01:03 PM
I knew some of you will find a way to blend some Tanya stuff into it.


Can I challenge you for 48 hours not to blend in chabad stuff when you talk about Judaism?

You remind me of the old joke. I won't rehash it here but the punchline is "so the president tells the new rabbi, 'You know, talk about Yiddishkeit!'"
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 25, 2014, 10:04:43 PM
You remind me of the old joke. I won't rehash it here but the punchline is "so the president tells the new rabbi, 'You know, talk about Yiddishkeit!'"
I thought you were gonna say the one with the rabbi who didn't think about Hashem for over thirty years already :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 25, 2014, 10:06:21 PM
I thought you were gonna say the one with the rabbi who didn't think about Hashem for over thirty years already :P

That one's great too! Maybe we need a farbrengen thread so we can tell these old chasidisher jokes.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 25, 2014, 10:10:30 PM
Having a Ta'avah doesn't make you a Rasha, that's a Beinoni :P
Touche.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2014, 01:11:48 AM
lol now, there's a fun idea for a thread...DDF confessional
Do we need a priest?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 26, 2014, 01:35:23 AM
lol now, there's a fun idea for a thread...DDF confessional
Lots of "fun" indeed.  :P
כי הלל רשע על תאות נפשו
Do we need a priest?

Naw, Chaim, the idea was to do it publicly so all could learn. Sort of like prison where they teach each other to be better criminals. (I think I have been to a farbrengen or two like that.)  :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2014, 01:43:09 AM
Naw, Chaim, the idea was to do it publicly so all could learn.
When I saw the word "confessional" RC came to mind. I am pretty sure they do it in private but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on August 26, 2014, 01:48:18 AM
When I saw the word "confessional" RC came to mind. I am pretty sure they do it in private but I could be wrong.

Yes, but the purpose of the thread was not absolution. It's exhibitionism.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ah on August 26, 2014, 02:06:30 AM
Yes, but the purpose of the thread was not absolution. It's exhibitionism.
I'd love to see posts by certain people in that thread...it could be one of the 3 steps of the absolution process...admitting!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2014, 07:04:15 AM
I'd love to see posts by certain people in that thread...it could be one of the 3 steps of the absolution process...admitting!
Three steps to absolution (Sacrament of Penance)?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 26, 2014, 07:27:35 AM
Well, the taaveh itself is not a chet
It's not a virtue either. To be honest, it's an undesirable middah.



!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 26, 2014, 08:46:18 AM

It's not a virtue either. To be honest, it's an undesirable middah.



!
actually according to the Rambam when It comes to non mitzvos  sichly you should have a taaveh for it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 26, 2014, 09:30:46 AM
It's not a virtue either. To be honest, it's an undesirable middah.



!
If you didn't realize, I was kidding
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on August 26, 2014, 09:50:48 AM
Three steps to absolution (Sacrament of Penance)?
there is one major component of tshuva which is not part of Christian sacrament iinm, and that is kabalah al ha'asid, that one must accept upon himself not to do the sin again. This makes three parts of Jewish repentance since there is no priest involved.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on August 26, 2014, 10:34:37 AM
I'm still waiting for the verdict from our resident poskim here, as a shulchan aruch abiding Jew, may I go to an AGT show? does it depend on whether I consider it fun? how about TiVo'ing it, youtube?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 26, 2014, 11:05:18 AM
there is one major component of tshuva which is not part of Christian sacrament iinm, and that is kabalah al ha'asid, that one must accept upon himself not to do the sin again. This makes three parts of Jewish repentance since there is no priest involved.
What happens if the same sin is committed again?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on August 26, 2014, 12:12:24 PM
What happens if the same sin is committed again?
so tshuva again and do a better job this time
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 26, 2014, 12:57:05 PM
Dont want to get too philosophical here but whys that depressing?
What could be more depressing than being a rasha?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 26, 2014, 01:04:41 PM
If you would go past the first few chapters you would see why that isn't reason to be depressed, but I guess that's a whole other discussion best kept to Freddy's thread...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 26, 2014, 01:09:25 PM

What could be more depressing than being a rasha?
Of course that could be depressing, I just have a difficult time comprehending how we can all be considered a Rasha when what defines us as a Rasha is impossible (at least in our generation) to avoid.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: meshugener on August 26, 2014, 01:34:25 PM
I'm still waiting for the verdict from our resident poskim here, as a shulchan aruch abiding Jew, may I go to an AGT show? does it depend on whether I consider it fun? how about TiVo'ing it, youtube?
You are looking for trouble AKA fun
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 26, 2014, 02:03:45 PM
Of course that could be depressing, I just have a difficult time comprehending how we can all be considered a Rasha when what defines us as a Rasha is impossible (at least in our generation) to avoid.
We may not be Resha'im relative to others (שם המושאל) but in the absolute sense of the word (שם התואר) we are...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 26, 2014, 02:11:17 PM

We may not be Resha'im relative to others (שם המושאל) but in the absolute sense of the word (שם התואר) we are...
I don't understand this stuff, isn't our madreiga only relevant to our own potential. Who cares how we compare to others?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Ergel on August 26, 2014, 02:11:21 PM
If you would go past the first few chapters you would see why that isn't reason to be depressed, but I guess that's a whole other discussion best kept to Freddy's thread...
I did go past the first few chapters. I found most of the sefer depressing from this sense
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 26, 2014, 02:32:25 PM
I don't understand this stuff, isn't our madreiga only relevant to our own potential. Who cares how we compare to others?
It's OK, you won't go to Gehenom if that's what you're worried about (as long as you served Hashem to the best of your ability that is) :)
Title: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on August 26, 2014, 02:42:02 PM
It's OK, you won't go to Gehenom if that's what you're worried about (as long as you served Hashem to the best of your ability that is) :)

:) phew!
But, It's more fundamental than that. It's about a perspective on humanity, and the world .  But as I said, I don't want to get too philosophical here.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on August 28, 2014, 10:14:45 PM
Source?
baba basra 57b
 just to be clear i was in response to the comment about  going to a show and walking out when it becomes inappropriate, to that i responded that the gemara says someone who puts himself in a path where he can see something inappropriate is called a rasha. the gemara is clearly reffering to someone who doesnt look, yet he is called a rasha for putting himself  in a situation
as far as actually staying and viewing that would probably be a issur deoraisa
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on August 28, 2014, 10:17:25 PM
You're not a Rasha. כי כל העם בשגגה
as  per the gemara in bb. i dont see it being debatable its very clear you are a rasha
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on August 28, 2014, 10:32:49 PM
I'm still waiting for the verdict from our resident poskim here, as a shulchan aruch abiding Jew, may I go to an AGT show? does it depend on whether I consider it fun? how about TiVo'ing it, youtube?
see above
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on August 28, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
baba basra 57b
 just to be clear i was in response to the comment about  going to a show and walking out when it becomes inappropriate, to that i responded that the gemara says someone who puts himself in a path where he can see something inappropriate is called a rasha. the gemara is clearly reffering to someone who doesnt look, yet he is called a rasha for putting himself  in a situation
as far as actually staying and viewing that would probably be a issur deoraisa

So men shouldn't go to a grocery store, amusement park, ice rink, sports game, etc.?  Why not just lock them in the Bais Medrash?  This is why we ask our own personal Rabbonim about what to do in our own personal situations rather than painting nearly everyone as a rasha.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 11:59:51 AM
So men shouldn't go to a grocery store, amusement park, ice rink, sports game, etc.?  Why not just lock them in the Bais Medrash?  This is why we ask our own personal Rabbonim about what to do in our own personal situations rather than painting nearly everyone as a rasha.
any rabbi that tells you that you are not a rasha bc times have changed is a koifer. if your rabbi feels that in your personal situation that you are not ready to keep the whole torah and its better if he tells you its ok so that you dont drop everything, thats fine , but one who goes is still a rasha and is oiver on a isur deoraisa. and will be punished in the next world, no rabbi can change that
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 01:01:50 PM
Please give a clear definition of ika and leka darka achrina and your source. Please include guidlines which clarify the following questions.

Does it include buying in Walmart at a cheaper price when he could pay more at a frum store? Does it mean one must drive to work in his own car instead of taking the subway? Does it mean one must travel a roundabout way? Does it mean one may not go to any vacation spot since there are many people dressed more casually which is usually less tznius? May one travel on a bus where the driver may have on women singing or must you walk across town? Does it make a difference if the alternative also has tznius issues which may be less extensive but may be more difficult to turn away from? If there is no similar form of entertainment without the tznius issues is that called leka darka achrina?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 05:27:25 PM
Please give a clear definition of ika and leka darka achrina and your source. Please include guidlines which clarify the following questions.

Does it include buying in Walmart at a cheaper price when he could pay more at a frum store? Does it mean one must drive to work in his own car instead of taking the subway? Does it mean one must travel a roundabout way? Does it mean one may not go to any vacation spot since there are many people dressed more casually which is usually less tznius? May one travel on a bus where the driver may have on women singing or must you walk across town? Does it make a difference if the alternative also has tznius issues which may be less extensive but may be more difficult to turn away from? If there is no similar form of entertainment without the tznius issues is that called leka darka achrina?
from the fact that the gemara reffers to leka darcha achrina as onos, should give you a more clear prespective. as to any specific cases, ask a respected rabbi. when he tells you that any of your cases are muttar ask him for a source
(i am sure that going to agt show for pleasure does not constitute ones. aside that its prob a deoraisa)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 05:44:37 PM
from the fact that the gemara reffers to leka darcha achrina as onos, should give you a more clear prespective. as to any specific cases, ask a respected rabbi. when he tells you that any of your cases are muttar ask him for a source
(i am sure that going to agt show for pleasure does not constitute ones. aside that its prob a deoraisa)

How about as a shortcut?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 06:11:49 PM
baba basra 57b
 just to be clear i was in response to the comment about  going to a show and walking out when it becomes inappropriate, to that i responded that the gemara says someone who puts himself in a path where he can see something inappropriate is called a rasha. the gemara is clearly reffering to someone who doesnt look, yet he is called a rasha for putting himself  in a situation
as far as actually staying and viewing that would probably be a issur deoraisa
as  per the gemara in bb. i dont see it being debatable its very clear you are a rasha
I know frummies love to use this gemarah, but I'm sorry to inform you that this gemara is not paskened lehalacha in Shulchan Aruch. Besides, if you learnt pshat correctly instead of just repeating slogans you'd come to entirely different conclusions.


any rabbi that tells you that you are not a rasha bc times have changed is a koifer. if your rabbi feels that in your personal situation that you are not ready to keep the whole torah and its better if he tells you its ok so that you dont drop everything, thats fine , but one who goes is still a rasha and is oiver on a isur deoraisa. and will be punished in the next world, no rabbi can change that
Wow! So whoever uses the term נשטתנו הטבעים or נשתנו העתים is ipso facto a kofer. Kofer in what exactly? Do we still keep our women locked up the way the Rambam says we should? or do we say that times have changed and women today are a normal occurrence on the street?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 06:34:45 PM
from the fact that the gemara reffers to leka darcha achrina as onos, should give you a more clear prespective. as to any specific cases, ask a respected rabbi. when he tells you that any of your cases are muttar ask him for a source
(i am sure that going to agt show for pleasure does not constitute ones. aside that its prob a deoraisa)
Nice pshetel, but still wrong. The gemara doesn't care if his destination is going to shul, to save a sick puppy, to perform life saving brain surgery for blind homeless man who lost both arms in the process of saving a sick puppy, or just to buy ice cream, all the gemara is saying that if he can walk down river boulevard and main street to get to that destination and he's taking river boulevard where women wash their laundry then he's a rasha. But if he needs to go this way for whatever reason then the gemara doesn't even require him to look away! אי ליכא דרכא אחרינא אנוס הוא" and rashi says on that אם מסתכל דרך הליכתו ואונס רחמנא פטריה ולמה מזקיקו הכתוב להעצים עיניו דמדמשתבח ביה קרא שמעינן דצריך לעצום עיניו. To that the gemara answers that if he does close his eyes he is considered to be in a very high madrega of חסיד.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 06:36:50 PM
Nice pshetel, but still wrong. The gemara doesn't care if his destination is going to shul, to save a sick puppy, to perform life saving brain surgery for blind homeless man who lost both arms in the process of saving a sick puppy, or just to buy ice cream, all the gemara is saying that if he can walk down river boulevard and main street to get to that destination and he's taking river boulevard where women wash their laundry then he's a rasha. But if he needs to go this way for whatever reason then the gemara doesn't even require him to look away! אי ליכא דרכא אחרינא אנוס הוא" and Rashbam says on that אם מסתכל דרך הליכתו ואונס רחמנא פטריה ולמה מזקיקו הכתוב להעצים עיניו דמדמשתבח ביה קרא שמעינן דצריך לעצום עיניו. To that the gemara answers that if he does close his eyes he is considered to be in a very high madrega of חסיד.
FTFY
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 06:46:47 PM
I know frummies love to use this gemarah, but I'm sorry to inform you that this gemara is not paskened lehalacha in Shulchan Aruch.
that is utter nonsense
Besides, if you learnt pshat correctly instead of just repeating slogans you'd come to entirely different conclusions.
do you have a source for a different pshat than the literal one and the one that many learned rabbis from previous generations have learned?
Wow! So whoever uses the term נשטתנו הטבעים or נשתנו העתים is ipso facto a kofer.
you will rarely find those terms being used its a very delicate issue and the guidlines may vary, i have heard different shitos as to exactly when we can say it. but according to no definition can one apply it to our disscussion
Kofer in what exactly?
chazal
Do we still keep our women locked up the way the Rambam says we should? or do we say that times have changed and women today are a normal occurrence on the street?
untill this line i was under the impression you may have some background yedios to your point, what does the rambam have to do with being koifer in chazal? nowwhere does it say that a psak from the rambam or shulchan aruch ect... has those guidelines  on the contrary we find that it can be said about them that a taos was made
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 06:51:24 PM
Nice pshetel, but still wrong. The gemara doesn't care if his destination is going to shul, to save a sick puppy, to perform life saving brain surgery for blind homeless man who lost both arms in the process of saving a sick puppy, or just to buy ice cream, all the gemara is saying that if he can walk down river boulevard and main street to get to that destination and he's taking river boulevard where women wash their laundry then he's a rasha. But if he needs to go this way for whatever reason then the gemara doesn't even require him to look away! אי ליכא דרכא אחרינא אנוס הוא" and rashi says on that אם מסתכל דרך הליכתו ואונס רחמנא פטריה ולמה מזקיקו הכתוב להעצים עיניו דמדמשתבח ביה קרא שמעינן דצריך לעצום עיניו. To that the gemara answers that if he does close his eyes he is considered to be in a very high madrega of חסיד.
you obviosly do not know how to learn a gemara either
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 06:51:41 PM
FTFY
Thanks
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 06:52:03 PM
you obviosly do not know how to learn a gemara either
Well, obviously...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 06:52:43 PM


that is utter nonsense do you have a source for a different pshat than the literal one and the one that many learned rabbis from previous generations have learned?you will rarely find those terms being used its a very delicate issue and the guidlines may vary, i have heard different shitos as to exactly when we can say it. but according to no definition can one apply it to our disscussion chazaluntill this line i was under the impression you may have some background yedios to your point, what does the rambam have to do with being koifer in chazal? nowwhere does it say that a psak from the rambam or shulchan aruch ect... has those guidelines  on the contrary we find that it can be said about them that a taos was made

Please provide sources
How about as a shortcut?
I assume you are saying no, correct?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 06:55:03 PM

Please provide sourcesI assume you are saying no, correct?
source for what, literal definition?
its no different than all the rest of bavli ,yerushalmi or medrash thats not brought in shulchan aruch the literal meaning is ussaully the correct one unless you will find mefarshim with a different explanaition or it doesnt make sense . you probably wont find this gemara brought other than in mussar/machshava seforim which is mostly common over the past 150 years or so
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 06:59:15 PM
that is utter nonsense
Obviously! Please show me how utterly nonsensical that is, show me where it's paskened lehalacha.
do you have a source for a different pshat than the literal one and the one that many learned rabbis from previous generations have learned?
Show me your pshat and I'll show you mine.
you will rarely find those terms being used its a very delicate issue and the guidlines may vary, i have heard different shitos as to exactly when we can say it. but according to no definition can one apply it to our disscussion
Can I use the "utter nonsense" quote here?

chazal
Kofer is chazal what? And I mistakingly thought that kfira is in Hashem.
untill this line i was under the impression you may have some background yedios to your point, what does the rambam have to do with being koifer in chazal? nowwhere does it say that a psak from the rambam or shulchan aruch ect... has those guidelines  on the contrary we find that it can be said about them that a taos was made
Nice to know that up untill this point I did leave some impression... Thanks.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 07:06:32 PM
source for what, literal definition?
its no different than all the rest of bavli ,yerushalmi or medrash thats not brought in shulchan aruch the literal meaning is ussaully the correct one unless you will find mefarshim with a different explanaition or it doesnt make sense . you probably wont find this gemara brought other than in mussar/machshava seforim which is mostly common over the past 150 years or so
You quoted rabbis of previous generations. Who are they?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 07:14:40 PM


Obviously! Please show me how utterly nonsensical that is, show me where it's paskened lehalacha.
Aruch Hashulchan 21.1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 07:15:49 PM
How about as a shortcut?


I assume you are saying no, correct?
Nuuuuuuuu
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 07:18:14 PM
Obviously! Please show me how utterly nonsensical that is, show me where it's paskened lehalacha.
a statement from a gemara does not need to be brought in shulchan aruch to be true, on the contrary every statement made by chazal is true unless  cleary paskened otherwise from another source
Show me your pshat and I'll show you mine.
as i said before mine is literal def and brought in that form by rabbis in mussar hashkafa seforim


Kofer is chazal what? And I mistakingly thought that kfira is in Hashem.
correct , you made a mistake, there are different madraigas in kefira, some of them being  kofer be'ikor is in hashem there is koifer betoras moshe, and being koifer in chazal is olso referred to as kefira
Can I use the "utter nonsense" quote here?

you can, it would be consistent to your previous comments. do some researsch and you will find out otherwise
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 07:20:32 PM
Nuuuuuuuu
(didnt mean to avoid the q)sorry i do not have enough yedios to answer that question and my guess is not worth a grain of salt
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 07:22:31 PM


as i said before mine is literal def and brought in that form by rabbis in mussar hashkafa seforim
Such as
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 07:25:16 PM
(didnt mean to avoid the q)sorry i do not have enough yedios to answer that question and my guess is not worth a grain of salt
According to your line of reasoning and your reading of the gemara is it a question?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 01, 2014, 07:46:11 PM
You quoted rabbis of previous generations. Who are they?
i wiill look when i can, i was repeating from what i have seen in the past
According to your line of reasoning and your reading of the gemara is it a question?
i dont understand what you mean
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 08:27:01 PM
Aruch Hashulchan 21.1
Out of all poskim, rishonim, achronim, Rambam, Rif, Rosh, Tur, BY, Rema, they all omitted it by mistake, but you found one Aruch HaShulchan that mentions it, good for you!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 01, 2014, 08:37:28 PM
a statement from a gemara does not need to be brought in shulchan aruch to be true, on the contrary every statement made by chazal is true unless  cleary paskened otherwise from another source
We're not talking about truth here, we're talking halacha, and the first thing you learn in halacha 101 is that you can't pasken straight out of a gemara. Unless נשתנו העתים and nowadays we do pasken from gemara, I apologize if that's the case and I didn't get the memo.

as i said before mine is literal def and brought in that form by rabbis in mussar hashkafa seforim
Mussar and hashkafa seforim does not halacha make.

correct , you made a mistake, there are different madraigas in kefira, some of them being  kofer be'ikor is in hashem there is koifer betoras moshe, and being koifer in chazal is olso referred to as kefira
I still don't get what I'm kofer in, kofer in the fact that every word of chazal is paskened lehalacha? that every shita in chazal should be followed? that certain halachos change based on certain circumstances?

you can, it would be consistent to your previous comments. do some researsch and you will find out otherwise
I know, because up untill now I've repeatedly said that the only reason you're wrong is because I say otherwise.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 09:05:39 PM
i wiill look when i can, i was repeating from what i have seen in the pasti dont understand what you mean
If you take the gemara as literally as you seem to be taking it then it would be hard to consider a shortcut to be an oneis
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 09:12:24 PM
Out of all poskim, rishonim, achronim, Rambam, Rif, Rosh, Tur, BY, Rema, they all omitted it by mistake, but you found one Aruch HaShulchan that mentions it, good for you!
the Rif does bring it.
Btw, the Chofetz Chaim brings it in Be'er Mayim Chaim as well. Need to look up exact place.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on September 01, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
I think we are losing site of the main point of this thread.... cholov akum. Just wanted to remind you.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 10:04:56 PM
I think we are losing site of the main point of this thread.... cholov akum. Just wanted to remind you.
of course that's a given
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on September 01, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
Thank you.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 10:16:49 PM
Now back to our show......
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 10:25:35 PM
any rabbi that tells you that you are not a rasha bc times have changed is a koifer. if your rabbi feels that in your personal situation that you are not ready to keep the whole torah and its better if he tells you its ok so that you dont drop everything, thats fine , but one who goes is still a rasha and is oiver on a isur deoraisa. and will be punished in the next world, no rabbi can change that


Wow! So whoever uses the term נשטתנו הטבעים or נשתנו העתים is ipso facto a kofer. Kofer in what exactly? Do we still keep our women locked up the way the Rambam says we should? or do we say that times have changed and women today are a normal occurrence on the street?


you will rarely find those terms being used its a very delicate issue and the guidlines may vary, i have heard different shitos as to exactly when we can say it. but according to no definition can one apply it to our disscussion
R S Z Auerbach uses similar reasoning to be matir walking behind a woman in the street since it is common for women to be in the street these days
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: AnonymousUser on September 01, 2014, 10:29:26 PM

R S Z Auerbach uses similar reasoning to be matir walking behind a woman in the street since it is common for women to be in the street these days
Source?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 10:30:26 PM
Source?
it's in Minchas Shlomo. Need to find siman.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: AnonymousUser on September 01, 2014, 10:31:09 PM
it's in Minchas Shlomo. Need to find siman.
Where?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2014, 10:41:06 PM
Where?
V1-91.23
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: AnonymousUser on September 01, 2014, 10:45:03 PM
V1-91.23
Thanks.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 02, 2014, 04:16:33 PM

(didnt mean to avoid the q)sorry i do not have enough yedios to answer that question and my guess is not worth a grain of salt
Yet you were quite willing to call people reshaim :o
אדם קורא לחבירו רשע יורד עמו לתוך חייו
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 02, 2014, 10:43:09 PM

R S Z Auerbach uses similar reasoning to be matir walking behind a woman in the street since it is common for women to be in the street these days
nothing similar about it a) he doent say "times have changed and the halacha doesnt apply" he says the mechaber says pagah and when its not a situation of pagah it would maybe be muttar. that would be then as well as now if there was a situation then that it would have been common it would be muttar he is clearly saying that the mechaber says that the halacha was based on a situation and if that changes then the halacha would change
b)he clearly doesnt rely on this for a heter he adds another heter and then says for a mitzva its muttar
c)the isur is olso by ones wife like rashi explains its a genai, when chazall give a reason its easier to say the reason doesnt apply so maybe the hallacha doesnt apply
but when chazal tell us one who choose a path where he can be nichshal is a rasha that never changes like rashi explains the gemara ו שלא היה לו לקרב אלא להרחיק מן העבירה דקיימא לן
 (חולין לף מל הרחק מן הכיעור
Yet you were quite willing to call people reshaim :o
אדם קורא לחבירו רשע יורד עמו לתוך חייו
i think i made myself pretty clear that i was in response to the idea of going to agt that would constitute the case of the gemara calling him a rasha. you were asking somthing entirely different, can he be considered a ones  if he is going that way due to a shortcut. meaning you are saying there can be three different cases either he needs to be at point b or he needs to go this way to get to point b, but the third scenario that he want to walk this way just cuz he njoys walkining on the sefas of the nehar i am certain is asur he would not be called a ones and say ones rachmana .. going to agt is comparred to the third scenario
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 02, 2014, 11:10:36 PM
And if he can go a way that is a bit longer?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on September 02, 2014, 11:14:06 PM
This thread is so off topic.  >:(
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 02, 2014, 11:15:32 PM
Don't worry, it will all get back to cholov akum
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on September 02, 2014, 11:16:35 PM
Don't worry, it will all get back to cholov akum

Yay!  ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 02, 2014, 11:33:20 PM
And if he can go a way that is a bit longer?
is this not what we previously discussed
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 03, 2014, 12:05:27 AM
It is, but it is not any of the three cases you mention. He does not NEED to be at the sfas nahar since he can easily go the longer way. He is going that way because he wants to go the more convenient way.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 03, 2014, 10:17:36 AM
It is, but it is not any of the three cases you mention. He does not NEED to be at the sfas nahar since he can easily go the longer way. He is going that way because he wants to go the more convenient way.
I love the way you make stuff up as you go. If darka achrina applies to a longer way as well אם כן אין לדבר סוף. There will always be a longer way to get to someplace.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 03, 2014, 10:19:19 AM
I love the way you make stuff up as you go. If darka achrina applies to a longer way as well אם כן אין לדבר סוף. There will always be a longer way to get to someplace.
what did I make up?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 03, 2014, 10:32:19 AM
That if there's a longer way it's still considered איכא דרכא אחרינא.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 03, 2014, 10:45:53 AM
Where did I write that? I wrote that according to his strict interpretation of requiring full oneis it should be that way.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 03, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Where did I write that? I wrote that according to his strict interpretation of requiring full oneis it should be that way.
Sorry, I lost track who said what. I was referring to what 'dans fan' was implying that one is supposed to take a longer way when confronted with a נשים העומדות על הכביסה scenario.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 03, 2014, 05:24:25 PM
Sorry, I lost track who said what. I was referring to what 'dans fan' was implying that one is supposed to take a longer way when confronted with a נשים העומדות על הכביסה scenario.
i never said such a thing
I love the way you make stuff up as you go. If darka achrina applies to a longer way as well אם כן אין לדבר סוף. There will always be a longer way to get to someplace.
first of all who said that you dont have to go the longer way
second, i very clearly said its possible that if he needs to get to point b then there is a amount that chazal would not be matriach him to go out of his way
but your twisted pshat in the gemara thats oxi moronic that you made up just not to feel guilty is def wrong
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: dans fan on September 03, 2014, 05:36:05 PM
Where did I write that? I wrote that according to his strict interpretation of requiring full oneis it should be that way.
i think i already made very clear one does not need to be a full ones. i said that the gemara is probably referring to a case that he needs  to be at his destination and we want to know how much does he have to be matriach to not put himself in a bad situation scenario 2 is he doesnt need to be at the destination but going the other way would have finacial or other strains, what does he do. thats all thats at question here but if his destination is the nehar because he njoys the walk there that is not called leka darka... and i said agt is like the third case
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 03, 2014, 07:04:27 PM
So exactly where are you staying the line and what is your source to say that wanting to walk a few minutes less id's better than wanting some entertainment or relaxation? How about a trip to Florida?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 04, 2014, 02:21:35 PM
Sorry, I lost track who said what. I was referring to what 'dans fan' was implying that one is supposed to take a longer way when confronted with a נשים העומדות על הכביסה scenario.
i never said such a thing
Implying is the key word here.


first of all who said that you dont have to go the longer way
Nobody said you do.
second, i very clearly said its possible that if he needs to get to point b then there is a amount that chazal would not be matriach him to go out of his way
And what would that amount be?
but your twisted pshat in the gemara thats oxi moronic that you made up just not to feel guilty is def wrong
Please specify which pshat I said you don't agree with. If I've erred in my ways I'd like to be corrected.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moishel on September 04, 2014, 02:22:41 PM
So exactly where are you staying the line and what is your source to say that wanting to walk a few minutes less id's better than wanting some entertainment or relaxation? How about a trip to Florida?
Or using the gemara's scenario, if I need to wash my laundry at the river, may I go?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoshi on September 04, 2014, 02:32:34 PM
I think this is going to be become my favorite post. It may be reposted on other just shmooze threads at different times. ;)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: efflpetzel on September 04, 2014, 11:47:17 PM
Yes can we just go back to talking about Jewish boys who tell dirty jokes
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2014, 11:51:02 PM
I still need to get back to chalav akum for Freddie;D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on September 05, 2014, 02:21:43 AM
I still need to get back to chalav akum for Freddie;D

Sh'koyaaaaaach.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 05, 2014, 03:57:29 AM
Yes can we just go back to talking about Jewish boys who tell dirty jokes
Please, at least his stuff was entertaining.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2014, 02:24:52 PM
In which Torah exactly did you find that a zona gets skila? You gotta love these people who don't even start to know halacha are here playing holier than thou and paskening on other people's lives when they can't even quote a posuk in the torah right, "L'maan yilmadu Veyirau"? seriously?
On Shabbos we lained it - Parshas Ki Setzei -
 ואם אמת היה הדבר הזה, לא נמצאו בתולים לנער(ה), והוציאו את הנער(ה) אל פתח בית אביה וסקלוה אנשי עירה באבנים ומתה, כי עשתה נבלה בישראל, לזנות בית אביה
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Post by: SamKey on September 10, 2014, 03:10:06 PM
On Shabbos we lained it - Parshas Ki Setzei -
 ואם אמת היה הדבר הזה, לא נמצאו בתולים לנער(ה), והוציאו את הנער(ה) אל פתח בית אביה וסקלוה אנשי עירה באבנים ומתה, כי עשתה נבלה בישראל, לזנות בית אביה

Sorry but  a Naara Hameorasa is not what we consider a Zona
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Baruch on September 10, 2014, 03:23:28 PM
Sorry but  a Naara Hameorasa is not what we consider a Zona
My original point wasn't a Halachic statement about a zonah, it was a point about what does the girl gain by stoning her after she was mezaneh.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2014, 12:45:47 PM
Will Matt franco beat last weeks trick on tonight's finale?
If you are into magicians, you got to see the trick.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 01:17:59 PM
Will Matt franco beat last weeks trick on tonight's finale?
If you are into magicians, you got to see the trick.
link?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on September 16, 2014, 01:21:38 PM

Will Matt franco beat last weeks trick on tonight's finale?
If you are into magicians, you got to see the trick.
AGT wants a magician to win so badly. The producers will do (and have been doing)whatever is in their powers to give Franco a leg up.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on September 16, 2014, 01:24:15 PM
Will Matt franco beat last weeks trick on tonight's finale?
If you are into magicians, you got to see the trick.
Is there any part of that trick you would like me to teach you
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2014, 01:39:26 PM
I understand he put ringer in seat prior to show, when he stabbed seat, how did he get phone stuffed into seat?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2014, 01:40:41 PM
link?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on September 16, 2014, 01:43:02 PM
I understand he put ringer in seat prior to show, when he stabbed seat, how did he get phone stuffed into seat?
Btw that's not his newest trick
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2014, 01:45:14 PM
Btw that's not his newest trick
IMO the iphone was better than the last trick
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on September 16, 2014, 01:53:24 PM

I understand he put ringer in seat prior to show, when he stabbed seat, how did he get phone stuffed into seat?
the seat was planted, no way radio city would let him rip up their seat like that. There probably was a hole on bottom and he slipped it through there.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on September 16, 2014, 01:54:07 PM

IMO the iphone was better than the last trick
+1 yeah, the last one was an old trick I've seen plenty of times.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: SamKey on September 16, 2014, 02:31:50 PM
Is there any part of that trick you would like me to teach you
Go ahead I'm stumped
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MarkS on September 16, 2014, 04:55:41 PM
Iphone trick was pretty dumb. Wouldn't have been hard to message the pic from Mel B's phone to the one pre-hidden in the seat....
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2014, 11:11:03 PM
Matt was not a winning act tonight. Not slick at all
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on September 16, 2014, 11:18:26 PM
Matt was not a winning act tonight. Not slick at all
Care to expound on why you thought it was lacking slickness?

I thought he was great as usual.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Moes Tavern on September 16, 2014, 11:19:16 PM

I thought he was great as usual.
+1

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2014, 11:22:11 PM
Care to expound on why you thought it was lacking slickness?
Hands went under table too many times.
When the 1st tennis ball came, you saw him change cups
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on September 16, 2014, 11:23:38 PM
Hands went under table too many times.
When the 1st tennis ball came, you saw him change cups
Forget about that trick. His main act tonight was the human deck card trick.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on September 16, 2014, 11:37:00 PM
Wasn't there two black cards in the red pile. Looked like he took a black ace out and the said there was only one mistake.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on September 16, 2014, 11:48:11 PM
Wasn't there two black cards in the red pile. Looked like he took a black ace out and the said there was only one mistake.
No, watch it again. It was just a red card that got pushed to the black side when he was revealing the cards, and he just moved it back over.

Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on September 16, 2014, 11:50:36 PM
The question is, how on earth did he do that human deck trick????
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on September 17, 2014, 12:00:46 AM
Either he or Quintavioua will win IMHO.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: george on September 17, 2014, 12:03:47 AM
Either he or Quintavioua will win IMHO.
-1
AcroArmy and Emily West were both better than Quintavious.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on September 17, 2014, 12:07:15 AM

-1
AcroArmy and Emily West were both better than Quintavious.

Right. Because the best person wins when America is voting.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on September 17, 2014, 01:29:17 AM


Quintavioua will win IMHO.

I hope not


AcroArmy was better
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on September 17, 2014, 10:00:09 PM
Either he or Quintavioua will win IMHO.

+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MarkS on September 17, 2014, 10:06:19 PM
Are spoilers allowed here? The winner was....   SPOILER ALERT!!!!!! (http://tinyurl.com/mdjsknt)

 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: shnoz on September 18, 2014, 12:48:36 PM
+1 yeah, the last one was an old trick I've seen plenty of times.
How did he get the card into the box?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: shnoz on September 18, 2014, 12:48:55 PM
The question is, how on earth did he do that human deck trick????
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: DP7 on September 18, 2014, 12:51:55 PM
How did he get the card into the box?

What box? Is this about the last trick?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on September 18, 2014, 01:01:03 PM

How did he get the card into the box?
Actually that part is probably the best part not sure.
Btw I haven't seen the results yet so don't know who won, but his last act was pretty lame, probably his most underwhelming act of the entire season. I used to do that trick (minus the 3 of clubs part but I'm no magician) when I was a kid.
I was really rooting for him but I doubt he won. (I'll find out tonight though)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: shnoz on September 18, 2014, 01:07:56 PM
Actually that part is probably the best part not sure.
Btw I haven't seen the results yet so don't know who won, but his last act was pretty lame, probably his most underwhelming act of the entire season. I used to do that trick (minus the 3 of clubs part but I'm no magician) when I was a kid.
I was really rooting for him but I doubt he won. (I'll find out tonight though)
How did he do the human deck?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MarkS on September 18, 2014, 01:14:20 PM
The human deck trick - note how the 3 of spades guy seemed to know that he was the 3 of spades. And although he told the back row on the right to raise their cards, he didn't similarly instruct the back row on the left yet they all raised their cards. Also, Mel B had never told people to go into rows of two they just happened to stand that way.

Seems pretty obvious that it wasn't 'random' audience members rather prepicked people. Wouldn't take much to have a black side and red side to each card and they revealed card colors based on where they ended up....

For any other tricks where he forced a card, while I don't know how he got it into the box, the whole rest of the trick is really basic! Obviously the picture of Howie was preprinted (since magic isn't real right?) and he forced a card. So all that is the most basic trick in the world....and the judges react shocked (like how in the world did he know which card I would pick, or since he 'couldn't have known', how did he instantly print a pic of Howie!)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on September 18, 2014, 01:19:33 PM
How did he get the card into the box?
Watch it closely for the card switch when he flips the box over.Quite simple, all his tricks were simple basic tricks though put together very well.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: SamKey on September 18, 2014, 03:55:52 PM
The human deck trick - note how the 3 of spades guy seemed to know that he was the 3 of spades. And although he told the back row on the right to raise their cards, he didn't similarly instruct the back row on the left yet they all raised their cards. Also, Mel B had never told people to go into rows of two they just happened to stand that way.

Seems pretty obvious that it wasn't 'random' audience members rather prepicked people. Wouldn't take much to have a black side and red side to each card and they revealed card colors based on where they ended up....
You are totally off
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: SamKey on September 18, 2014, 03:57:09 PM
http://www.reddit.com/user/derredundblack
This guy explains both the iPhone and the human card trick precisely
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: SamKey on September 18, 2014, 04:00:05 PM
None of his tricks would've gotten past Penn and Teller. David and Leeman on the other hand...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on September 18, 2014, 04:51:02 PM
None of his tricks would've gotten past Penn and Teller. David and Leeman on the other hand...
Two totally different types of tricks. Ones sleight of hand and ones mind tricks
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: SamKey on September 18, 2014, 04:58:33 PM
Two totally different types of tricks. Ones sleight of hand and ones mind tricks
And therefore?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Emkay on September 18, 2014, 05:04:09 PM
And therefore?
Therefore I realize that after I responded my answer has nothing to do with your question, my bad
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 12, 2015, 01:23:23 AM
This year has been doing very bad. Not liking It at all
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Luvtotravel on June 12, 2015, 01:24:45 AM
This year has been doing very bad. Not liking It at all
Huh?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 12, 2015, 01:25:14 AM
America's got talent
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on June 12, 2015, 01:30:49 AM
Is this an AGT thread? I thought it was a thread about a very specific incident?

BTW when did it become a "thing" that so many frum people watch AGT? Was there a memo sent out that I missed?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 12, 2015, 01:37:19 AM
Is this an AGT thread? I thought it was a thread about a very specific incident?

BTW when did it become a "thing" that so many frum people watch AGT? Was there a memo sent out that I missed?
Who says im frum?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on June 12, 2015, 01:41:21 AM
Who says im frum?
If you're not frum, you still socialize among frum people. You're culturally frum. So is everyone on this forum. Even the gentiles.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 12, 2015, 01:45:32 AM
If you're not frum, you still socialize among frum people. You're culturally frum. So is everyone on this forum. Even the gentiles.
? Wheres chaim moskowitz?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 12, 2015, 02:07:08 AM
? Wheres chaim moskowitz?
Right here.  :)

I use to watch AGT.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: jj1000 on June 12, 2015, 08:57:28 AM
Right here.  :)

I use to watch AGT.
And then you shtarked out 
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Yehuda57 on June 12, 2015, 09:34:28 AM
Is this an AGT thread? I thought it was a thread about a very specific incident?

BTW when did it become a "thing" that so many frum people watch AGT? Was there a memo sent out that I missed?

It was given out at the Shabbos rally.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: @Yehuda on June 12, 2015, 10:39:28 AM
You would be a terrible judge. I'm highly enjoying this year's contestants.

My complaints sit the program. I don't like that they show clips from several different auditions in the same episode. No longer can they say, "Today's the New Orleans auditions!" etc. I imagine that's because if in 1 city they didn't have enough TV-worthy acts, then that episode would be really short/bad. My other complaint is that they spend way too much time on the shtick - the whole introduction, all the time in the judge's dressing room, etc. - show us more acts!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bb1836 on June 12, 2015, 10:48:10 AM
You would be a terrible judge. I'm highly enjoying this year's contestants.

My complaints sit the program. I don't like that they show clips from several different auditions in the same episode. No longer can they say, "Today's the New Orleans auditions!" etc. I imagine that's because if in 1 city they didn't have enough TV-worthy acts, then that episode would be really short/bad. My other complaint is that they spend way too much time on the shtick - the whole introduction, all the time in the judge's dressing room, etc. - show us more acts!
its no longer about the acts as it is about the judges themselves!! they NEED to calm the flip down  :D
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MarkS on June 12, 2015, 10:51:29 AM
I stopped watching it last year already because there was way to much focus on the judges and too few acts. It seemed like more time of the episode was devoted to shtick etc than to actual acts.

It also gets really dragged out with the quarter finals, semi finals etc. And a 45 min show for the results is silly - I just skipped through to the 1 minute where they announced the results for each group.

Now I just watch the occasional good act on youtube and save lots of time!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 12, 2015, 10:57:11 AM
The recent ventriloquist was really good. I enjoyed him. Hard act to do well enough to impress in.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bb1836 on June 12, 2015, 12:01:46 PM
strangely enough the bearded lady dude was actually funny!!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 12, 2015, 12:08:59 PM
The recent ventriloquist was really good. I enjoyed him. Hard act to do well enough to impress in.
+1
strangely enough the bearded lady dude was actually funny!!
-1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: noturbizniss on June 14, 2015, 09:16:19 AM
I'm in it again this year, but I always bow out in the last couple of weeks when the good acts get voted off and the makes it through. I'm looking at you Olathe dog crap from 3 years ago
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 14, 2015, 11:19:13 AM
I'm in it again this year, but I always bow out in the last couple of weeks when the good acts get voted off and the shit makes it through. I'm looking at you Olathe dog crap from 3 years ago
Was watching Britain's got talent, and a dog won this year! It pisses me off too!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: noturbizniss on June 14, 2015, 11:57:28 AM
Was watching Britain's got talent, and a dog won this year! It pisses me off too!
glad I didn't watch
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 14, 2015, 11:59:16 AM
Was watching Britain's got talent, and a dog won this year! It pisses me off too!
You don't like dogs? Was it a good act?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 14, 2015, 12:09:52 PM
Was watching Britain's got talent, and a dog won this year! It pisses me off too!
Wow!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 14, 2015, 12:26:17 PM
Wow!

I loved that act. But he didn't win!  That was more a ventriloquist act that trained hus dog to move his moutg every time he poked it. But it was cool.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 14, 2015, 12:27:51 PM
I'm in it again this year, but I always bow out in the last couple of weeks when the good acts get voted off and the shit makes it through. I'm looking at you Olathe dog crap from 3 years ago
Follow Anthony ying on youtube. He has agt. He only posts acts that don't get x'ed
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: skyguy918 on June 14, 2015, 12:31:46 PM
Wow!

That's not who won, nor is the dog the act. The dog is just the ventriloquist dummy, hard to consider that a dog act. The actual winner (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_O%27Dwyer_%26_Matisse) could more accurately be called a dog act.

ETA: grodnoking, you beat me to it.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yitrap on June 14, 2015, 12:31:59 PM
I loved that act. But he didn't win!  That was more a ventriloquist act that trained hus dog to move his moutg every time he poked it. But it was cool.
I don't know what it is but he's not poking the dog, it's gotta be something else
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: skyguy918 on June 14, 2015, 12:32:51 PM
I don't know what it is but he's not poking the dog, it's gotta be something else
The dog is wearing a remote controlled false mouth.

ETA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Britain%27s_Got_Talent_(series_9)#Marc_M.C3.A9tral
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on June 14, 2015, 12:33:26 PM
I don't know what it is but he's not poking the dog, it's gotta be something else
Whatever it is it still looks cool
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 14, 2015, 01:55:26 PM
The dog talks! What is wrong with everyone.  >:(

Next you are going to tell me there was no Mr ED.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MarkS on June 14, 2015, 02:26:37 PM
It's also annoying that whenever a magician comes on and performs some trick that I've seen a million times before on youtube the judges all act shocked as anything!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: noturbizniss on June 17, 2015, 10:52:35 PM
It's also annoying that whenever a magician comes on and performs some trick that I've seen a million times before on youtube the judges all act shocked as anything!
That and doing tricks on TV in which the Move is easily spotter on rewinding or clear evidence of a switch is seen (like the guy who signed the cards last week and the signature was different)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on June 17, 2015, 11:06:10 PM
It's also annoying that whenever a magician comes on and performs some trick that I've seen a million times before on youtube the judges all act shocked as anything!

YouTube is sort of awful that way. Takes away all your sense of wonder and awe.


I was recently at a local Jewish event where they had a boy sing the National Anthem. He did an unbelievable job. I asked my friend next to me what he thought and he said it was ok. I responded that I thought it was incredible and he said the kid probably was really amazing  and he honestly couldn't think of someone he knew personally who could sing like that but he's so used to seeing just that on YouTube.  Kinda sad.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Mikeoracle on June 29, 2015, 09:28:55 AM
I did like the "Piff the Magic Dragon" act. More as a comedian than a magician though  :)
Did anyone notice that it seems like he was making a bracha right before drinking out of Heidi's cup?
I couldnt find anything on his bio about him being Jewish so it must have been something else but it had me take a second look.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: @Yehuda on June 29, 2015, 09:44:07 AM
So, he's definitely moving his lips right before he drinks, but he also doesn't seem to be moving his lips before eating the banana. Assuming this hunch isn't completely crazy ;D, it's possible he made a ha'adama before getting on stage and ate something, knowing that in 4 minutes, he'd be eating a banana. But, he couldn't have assumed her drink would come into play, and therefore, had to make a shehakol. It's possible, but it does seem like a stretch.

It took a lot of searching to me to figure out how he does the card trick. I imagine it'll take even more to find out if he's Jewish, let alone frum!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: aygart on June 29, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
Don't some Christians say grace of some sort?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 29, 2015, 10:20:29 AM
Don't some Christians say grace of some sort?
Yes and no. Mostly before main meals.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: zlt123 on June 29, 2015, 10:25:46 AM
how would you know with such a name :-)
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: coralsnake on June 29, 2015, 10:33:10 AM
So, he's definitely moving his lips right before he drinks, but he also doesn't seem to be moving his lips before eating the banana. Assuming this hunch isn't completely crazy ;D, it's possible he made a ha'adama before getting on stage and ate something, knowing that in 4 minutes, he'd be eating a banana. But, he couldn't have assumed her drink would come into play, and therefore, had to make a shehakol. It's possible, but it does seem like a stretch.

It took a lot of searching to me to figure out how he does the card trick. I imagine it'll take even more to find out if he's Jewish, let alone frum!
Looked like chewing to me.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: @Yehuda on June 29, 2015, 10:34:09 AM
Looked like chewing to me.
^ The most likely scenario.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 29, 2015, 10:36:08 AM
how would you know with such a name :-)
Some of us get out more than others.  :P
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: avromie7 on June 29, 2015, 11:03:17 PM
I did like the "Piff the Magic Dragon" act. More as a comedian than a magician though  :)
Did anyone notice that it seems like he was making a bracha right before drinking out of Heidi's cup?
I couldnt find anything on his bio about him being Jewish so it must have been something else but it had me take a second look.

He is great. Although i never noticed it before, it definitely seems like he was making a bracha
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MarkS on July 16, 2015, 12:21:02 AM
So, he's definitely moving his lips right before he drinks, but he also doesn't seem to be moving his lips before eating the banana. Assuming this hunch isn't completely crazy ;D, it's possible he made a ha'adama before getting on stage and ate something, knowing that in 4 minutes, he'd be eating a banana. But, he couldn't have assumed her drink would come into play, and therefore, had to make a shehakol. It's possible, but it does seem like a stretch.

It took a lot of searching to me to figure out how he does the card trick. I imagine it'll take even more to find out if he's Jewish, let alone frum!
Theory debunked! He eats a ham and cheese  sandwhich at 47 minutes here:
http://www.nbc.com/americas-got-talent/video/judge-cuts-week-1/2879811?onid=189741#vc189741=1
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: sky121 on September 16, 2015, 09:02:54 PM
Anyone watching the finale? So many great performers left...
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on September 16, 2015, 09:13:14 PM
Anyone watching the finale? So many great performers left...
Here.
Piff was a drag this time.
Drew was fine.
Craig lewis was good.
Huges was horrible.
Blunt was good.
Never liked gary vider.
Oz perlman was same as usual.
Zerdin didnt do as good as last time.
Problem with him is he was on the royal variety show which is the BGT winners prize. Seems to famous for me.
The regurigatator is still cool but boring.
Uzeyer should not be here.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: MosheD on September 16, 2015, 11:44:58 PM
Can we rename this AGT master thread?
Great show but I don't want to be reminded of that one act every time I come and visit this thread
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: bb1836 on September 17, 2015, 12:14:50 AM
Can we rename this AGT master thread?
Great show but I don't want to be reminded of that one act every time I come and visit this thread
also the word Talent is misspelled in the title. been driving me crazy forever!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Something Fishy on September 17, 2015, 12:19:16 AM
also the word Talent is misspelled in the title. been driving me crazy forever!

Here here!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ushdadude on September 17, 2015, 10:30:08 PM
Here.
Piff was a drag this time.
Drew was fine.
Craig lewis was good.
Huges was horrible.
Blunt was good.
Never liked gary vider.
Oz perlman was same as usual.
Zerdin didnt do as good as last time.
Problem with him is he was on the royal variety show which is the BGT winners prize. Seems to famous for me.
The regurigatator is still cool but boring.
Uzeyer should not be here.

I'm really disappointed with the acts that made it to the finale. They got rid of all the amazing acts and kept the mediocre ones.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on September 17, 2015, 10:47:11 PM
I'm really disappointed with the acts that made it to the finale. They got rid of all the amazing acts and kept the mediocre ones.
They did alot worse two years ago. Last year was good though.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ushdadude on September 17, 2015, 10:57:18 PM
They did alot worse two years ago. Last year was good though.

freelusion should have won hands down
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on September 17, 2015, 11:00:43 PM
freelusion should have won hands down
I was more of a fan of the blind kid. I was able to feel his dances meaning more, even without a background.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on September 17, 2015, 11:42:16 PM
Just finished the finale results.
Anyone didnt watch it? Dont want to ruin it for anyone....
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Sport on September 18, 2015, 01:54:37 AM

I'm really disappointed with the acts that made it to the finale. They got rid of all the amazing acts and kept the mediocre ones.
yup, how did Blunt, Drew and Uzier make it to the finals?? The show is rigged.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: ushdadude on September 18, 2015, 11:12:57 AM
yup, how did Blunt, Drew and Uzier make it to the finals?? The show is rigged.

The finale was extremely small. No big acts that amaze.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on October 24, 2015, 08:47:37 PM
Simon Cowell is taking over Howard stern! This should be awesome!
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Freddie on December 24, 2015, 11:43:29 PM
Anything happening here?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: voldemort on December 24, 2015, 11:52:42 PM
Anything happening here?
Well we have some jewish boys telling dirty jokes over here

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59361.msg1359759#msg1359759
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: yakrot on December 24, 2015, 11:53:53 PM

Well we have some jewish boys telling dirty jokes over here

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=59361.msg1359759#msg1359759
oy
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 05, 2016, 09:03:23 PM
Pretty talented!

https://youtu.be/QLuUEogjPDY
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 09:10:56 PM
Pretty talented!

https://youtu.be/QLuUEogjPDY
Woah!
 I usually wait until later when Antony Ying (search for that channel on YouTube) puts up the full video with comments.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: Dr Moose on July 05, 2016, 09:12:53 PM
Pretty talented!

https://youtu.be/QLuUEogjPDY
Repost





Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 09:34:53 PM
Can we please rename this thread? @dan @jj1000 @AsherO
To plain "America's got talent"
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: coralsnake on July 05, 2016, 09:35:08 PM
Pretty talented!

https://youtu.be/QLuUEogjPDY
Heh. Saw this in the Drs office waiting room tonight.
Title: Re: America's Got Talant
Post by: LoLo on July 05, 2016, 09:45:10 PM
Woah!
 I usually wait until later when Antony Ying (search for that channel on YouTube) puts up the full video with comments.
+1, for BGT as well.
Title: Re: America's Got Talant
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 09:45:59 PM
Can we please rename this thread? @dan @jj1000 @AsherO
To plain "America's got talent"
Thanks
Title: Re: America's Got Talant
Post by: Aaaron on July 05, 2016, 09:55:14 PM
Thanks

Really?  "Talant" was left?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 10:01:10 PM
Really?  "Talant" was left?
What? You didn't just watch those boys?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: ushdadude on July 05, 2016, 10:01:18 PM
I really hate the new format. They used to show a lot of talent from each city. Now they stitch together from different cities and show background on a lot of the talents.
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: skyguy918 on July 05, 2016, 10:03:23 PM
Pretty talented!

https://youtu.be/QLuUEogjPDY
This is some 'stranger than fiction' action right here. The Fine Bros put out a series on Youtube Red that was basically a parody of singing shows. One of the contestants was Shimon Rabinowitz and his genre was heavy metal. He too performed in black and white with his tzitzis out (maybe even a hat and jacket too, I don't remember).
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: pcgeek on July 05, 2016, 11:00:50 PM
This is some 'stranger than fiction' action right here. The Fine Bros put out a series on Youtube Red that was basically a parody of singing shows. One of the contestants was Shimon Rabinowitz and his genre was heavy metal. He too performed in black and white with his tzitzis out (maybe even a hat and jacket too, I don't remember).
Which episode?
Title: Re: Jewish Boy Tells Dirty Jokes On Americas got Talant
Post by: skyguy918 on July 05, 2016, 11:20:54 PM
Which episode?
Don't remember, but you can see him being introduced on the 'show' at the end of the first (free) episode. And correction - he's a rapper (not heavy metal), jacket but no hat, tzitzis, black shirt.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 06, 2016, 12:12:55 AM
Don't remember, but you can see him being introduced on the 'show' at the end of the first (free) episode. And correction - he's a rapper (not heavy metal), jacket but no hat, tzitzis, black shirt.
In the second episode he runs off stage because he is shomer, and doesn't let someone into the room because he cant be alone with a woman.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 06, 2016, 12:31:41 AM
In the second episode he runs off stage because he is shomer, and doesn't let someone into the room because he cant be alone with a woman.
AGT is actual contestants, sing it is a comedy played by actors
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 06, 2016, 12:32:53 AM
AGT is actual contestants, sing it is a comedy played by actors
I'm aware
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 06, 2016, 12:34:21 AM
I'm aware
:) It was for the benefit of those who didn't watch
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 06, 2016, 02:43:15 PM
https://youtu.be/fO1fVm_WAHI

Heres the full version. It's actually more surprising. They where getting booed in the beginning and then when they wipped out that beat box...!
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 06, 2016, 03:39:30 PM
Looks like Anthony Ying is taking the week off
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yoruel on July 06, 2016, 04:57:32 PM


Heres the full version. It's actually more surprising. They where getting booed in the beginning and then when they wipped out that beat box...!
When is their next appearance?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: JTZ on July 06, 2016, 05:16:16 PM
Sorry but they sucked.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yakrot on July 06, 2016, 05:26:57 PM
Sorry but they sucked.
+1 unless the video that I saw was not the whole thing or drowned out too much by the crowd I was not too impressed with them
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: beeweegee on July 06, 2016, 05:53:54 PM
Sorry but they sucked.
Not saying I was blown away, but that sounds a tad strong. I thought they were okay.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: JTZ on July 06, 2016, 06:08:59 PM
Not saying I was blown away, but that sounds a tad strong. I thought they were okay.
...but what more do they have?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yuneeq on July 06, 2016, 06:10:03 PM
Sorry but they sucked.

Didn't like it ether. Besides I've seen solo acts that do a better job.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: jj1000 on July 06, 2016, 06:53:35 PM
Didn't like it ether. Besides I've seen solo acts that do a better job.
That's what I was thinking. YouTube some famous beat boxers and they do way more sounds than these two together.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 07, 2016, 02:00:18 AM
That's what I was thinking. YouTube some famous beat boxers and they do way more sounds than these two together.
Matisyahu for one.

Part of AGT is not being amazing, but suprising, entertaining, and fun.
That they were.
Think about who got this week's golden buzzer...
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: good sam on July 07, 2016, 07:00:19 AM
Sorry but they sucked.
+1

Can't understand why the audience and judges were so taken by it .
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 07, 2016, 07:18:38 AM
+1

Can't understand why the audience and judges were so taken by it .
Cuz they were "cute"
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yuneeq on July 07, 2016, 07:49:13 AM
Matisyahu for one.

Part of AGT is not being amazing, but suprising, entertaining, and fun.
That they were.
Think about who got this week's golden buzzer...

The "surprise" lasts exactly one show and they get the boot next time around.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 07, 2016, 08:52:59 AM
The "surprise" lasts exactly one show and they get the boot next time around.
Well this is a reality tv show, so someone will coach them for the next round to get better.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: beeweegee on July 07, 2016, 09:10:56 AM
...but what more do they have?
Fair point. But for what they did, they deserved to get through. Doubt they'll go very far though.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Luvtotravel on July 07, 2016, 01:55:23 PM
Matisyahu for one.

Part of AGT is not being amazing, but suprising, entertaining, and fun.
That they were.
Think about who got this week's golden buzzer...
who did?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 07, 2016, 01:56:48 PM
who did?
Giyf.
Please don't post here.
(You'll understand after you find out)
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Aaaron on July 07, 2016, 02:02:22 PM
Giyf.
Please don't post here.
(You'll understand after you find out)

DO NOT WATCH.  Not enough eye bleach in the world to help.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 07, 2016, 02:04:37 PM
DO NOT WATCH.  Not enough eye bleach in the world to help.
Prob should of mentioned that.
I was smart enough to skip through most of the video and I got the point.
Seriously disgusting, and honestly an embarresment to the show.
I thought the other golden buzzers were impressive. Now they are all devalued.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: ushdadude on July 07, 2016, 02:07:50 PM
Prob should of mentioned that.
I was smart enough to skip through most of the video and I got the point.
Seriously disgusting, and honestly an embarresment to the show.
I thought the other golden buzzers were impressive. Now they are all devalued.

check out britains got talent for wasted golden buzzers
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Luvtotravel on July 07, 2016, 02:26:24 PM
Prob should of mentioned that.
I was smart enough to skip through most of the video and I got the point.
Seriously disgusting, and honestly an embarresment to the show.
I thought the other golden buzzers were impressive. Now they are all devalued.
the judges seemed uncomfortable with it too. seemed like charity to me
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: A3 on July 07, 2016, 02:30:29 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160707/2422f59cb7b132e7deacff75edf2ac0f.jpg)
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 07, 2016, 02:37:08 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160707/2422f59cb7b132e7deacff75edf2ac0f.jpg)
Really?! If your gonna do it at least make it look good.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: sag95 on July 07, 2016, 02:41:02 PM
Really?! If your gonna do it at least make it look good.
When I was sent the pic, the point wasn't to make it look like they're performing together, rather to suggest a shidduch.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: A3 on July 07, 2016, 02:50:22 PM
Really?! If your gonna do it at least make it look good.
Not the creator
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Emkay on July 07, 2016, 02:58:24 PM
Prob should of mentioned that.
I was smart enough to skip through most of the video and I got the point.
Seriously disgusting, and honestly an embarresment to the show.
I thought the other golden buzzers were impressive. Now they are all devalued.
I think it was strange that they were all singers. Surprised the producers were fine with that.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: ushdadude on July 07, 2016, 02:58:58 PM
I think it was strange that they were all singers. Surprised the producers were fine with that.

I'd be surprised if the producers didn't choose them.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Emkay on July 07, 2016, 03:11:44 PM
I'd be surprised if the producers didn't choose them.
Id imagine they did.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 07, 2016, 03:29:39 PM
I think it was strange that they were all singers. Surprised the producers were fine with that.
Well the owner makes a living off finding  singers.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: coralsnake on July 07, 2016, 03:32:52 PM
Did we do this one yet?

Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 09, 2016, 10:56:18 PM
Did we do this one yet?


Poor guy. Sounds like he thought he knew what he was doing when he was twenty, but turned around and realized he's 50 and accomplished naught in his life.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 13, 2016, 08:40:37 PM
How many Golden buzzers are there??
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: sky121 on July 13, 2016, 08:41:27 PM
Doesn't each judge get one?
On the British version the hosts get one too. Don't think the American version has that though.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: JTZ on July 13, 2016, 08:41:55 PM
How many Golden buzzers are there??
One, how many do you see?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 13, 2016, 08:44:52 PM
One, how many do you see?
That was the 6th of the show.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: JTZ on July 13, 2016, 08:46:29 PM
That was the 6th of the show.
You mean how many times they can hit the button, unlimited.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Super Speed on July 13, 2016, 08:46:36 PM
That was the 6th of the show.
If they have a guest judge they also get one.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: LoLo on July 13, 2016, 09:09:33 PM
Doesn't each judge get one?
On the British version the hosts get one too. Don't think the American version has that though.
Nick got a golden buzzer act as well.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 13, 2016, 09:16:44 PM
To be clear, each judge gets to hit the buzzer once during the season. Nick decided to "break the rules" this season and hit it as well.Nnow the guest judges are allowed a chance to hit it but its basically pointless cuz its the same as getting a yes during the Judge Cuts week. its just a guaranteed yes w/o having to wait around till all the acts perform.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 13, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
Who's Tzvi Small? (end credits)
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 13, 2016, 11:36:21 PM
Who's Tzvi Small? (end credits)
I've seen his name around.
Apparently the producer of a ton of (reality?) shows.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: LoLo on July 14, 2016, 12:30:06 AM
To be clear, each judge gets to hit the buzzer once during the season. Nick decided to "break the rules" this season and hit it as well.Nnow the guest judges are allowed a chance to hit it but its basically pointless cuz its the same as getting a yes during the Judge Cuts week. its just a guaranteed yes w/o having to wait around till all the acts perform.
Hmm.. I don't think he broke the rules, although he may have said so.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 14, 2016, 01:51:23 PM
Hmm.. I don't think he broke the rules, although he may have said so.
obv, this is show biz
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: SamKey on July 20, 2016, 06:05:12 PM
Apparently they were horrid
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yuneeq on July 20, 2016, 06:11:35 PM
Apparently they were horrid

Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 20, 2016, 09:17:03 PM
Apparently they were horrid
If they where good they didn't shown that part.

That magician that got thru, when he got out and hugged those two woman (mother and sister?) after he won, they where definitely orthodox jewish. Maybe he's an OTD or he's just hiding his religiousnes

He's also not too unknown.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 21, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

That magician that got thru, when he got out and hugged those two woman (mother and sister?) after he won, they where definitely orthodox jewish. Maybe he's an OTD or he's just hiding his religiousnes

Link?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Abebee on July 21, 2016, 09:18:47 PM
Link?
Don't know if you'll find it in YouTube, I saw it at the end of the episode when they announce who's going to the live shows
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 21, 2016, 09:43:28 PM
Link?
https://youtu.be/7QoI72JXrZg
Skip to the magician exiting the stage after getting thru.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 21, 2016, 10:01:15 PM
Don't know if you'll find it in YouTube, I saw it at the end of the episode when they announce who's going to the live shows
i agree, i was thinking the exact same thing when i saw that.

also im glad the other two frum acts only got like 10 seconds of air time during the Judge Cuts. Leave us jews out of this. we don't need the publicity, IMHO!
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 21, 2016, 10:09:27 PM
https://youtu.be/7QoI72JXrZg
Skip to the magician exiting the stage after getting thru.
5:21
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 22, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
So there go all the people who look like jews, thank god!
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: SamKey on July 22, 2016, 01:03:04 AM
What's the issue with people looking like Jews? As long as they behave themselves only good could come from it.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 28, 2016, 12:03:57 AM
I've seen his name around.
Apparently the producer of a ton of (reality?) shows.
...aaand he's no longer with us
Tzvi (Howard) SMALL obituary (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/montrealgazette/obituary.aspx?pid=180627757)
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 28, 2016, 12:08:09 AM
...aaand he's no longer with us
Tzvi (Howard) SMALL obituary (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/montrealgazette/obituary.aspx?pid=180627757)
yeah what a way to shock us with that kinda ending to an episode
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 28, 2016, 01:24:13 AM
5:21

Is that a shaitel? I can't tell...

ETA: Stalking level = pro  :o

https://www.instagram.com/p/Tpad7rt80-/?taken-by=blakevogt

Verdict - prob not religious...
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 28, 2016, 08:47:03 AM


Is that a shaitel? I can't tell...

ETA: Stalking level = pro  :o

https://www.instagram.com/p/Tpad7rt80-/?taken-by=blakevogt

Verdict - prob not jewish...

FTFY
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 28, 2016, 09:17:25 PM
^^^^
the guy was also on Penn and Teller: Fool Us, as was the rubik's cube guy from a previous episode, just saying.

Also the Live Results Part 1 was IMO the most poorly executed show from NBC. so many mistakes and technical errors.

And both Paul Zerdin and Matt Franco's acts were soooo boring...just my opinion
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 28, 2016, 09:33:18 PM



Also the Live Results Part 1 was IMO the most poorly executed show from NBC. so many mistakes and technical errors.
Can you point some out, didn't notice any.. The acts were mostly pretty horrid though, especially for finals
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 28, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
Can you point some out, didn't notice any.. The acts were mostly pretty horrid though, especially for finals
from what i can remember offhand, Nick calls them Musically instead of Musicality. also the one he admitted where the graphics on the screen for acts 5, 6, and 7 were the wrong names. also announcing the actually winners just came off very awkward...others i can't remember. just really awkward IMO
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 28, 2016, 10:46:33 PM
from what i can remember offhand, Nick calls them Musically instead of Musicality. also the one he admitted where the graphics on the screen for acts 5, 6, and 7 were the wrong names. also announcing the actually winners just came off very awkward...others i can't remember. just really awkward IMO
Whoops thought you meant the live acts, not the results. Watching the results now and I see what you mean. When the the 3 losing acts stepped forward, none of them knew where to stand.. very awkward and appeared to be quite rushed
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on July 28, 2016, 11:14:02 PM
Steven Brundage is on next week. Wasn't he eliminated in the judge cuts?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Joe4007 on July 28, 2016, 11:38:16 PM
Steven Brundage is on next week. Wasn't he eliminated in the judge cuts?
http://www.newyorkupstate.com/articles/19004713/fans_help_rubiks_cube_magician_get_back_on_americas_got_talent.amp
Whoops thought you meant the live acts, not the results. Watching the results now and I see what you mean. When the the 3 losing acts stepped forward, none of them knew where to stand.. very awkward and appeared to be quite rushed
At some point, the wrong acts were displayed as being in the dunkin save.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 29, 2016, 12:42:31 AM
^^^^

Also the Live Results Part 1 was IMO the most poorly executed show from NBC. so many mistakes and technical errors.


Might have to do with...
...aaand he's no longer with us
Tzvi (Howard) SMALL obituary (http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/montrealgazette/obituary.aspx?pid=180627757)

Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on July 29, 2016, 12:44:26 AM
Steven Brundage is on next week. Wasn't he eliminated in the judge cuts?
He got a wild card...I really thought he deserved it
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Eliyohu on July 29, 2016, 09:59:42 AM
Watching the results now ... very awkward and appeared to be quite rushed

That was quite strange, it was extremely rushed, Nick did a decent job moving things along even with the rush, (at one point he made a comment about being pressed for time) whatever that was about... Howie though was quite frazzled, not at all himself.
He got a wild card...I really thought he deserved it
+1 i was pretty suprised when they knocked him out.

Anyone else disappointed with the vote for deadly games over Hara?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on July 29, 2016, 02:23:22 PM



Anyone else disappointed with the vote for deadly games over Hara?

No. Was not so impressed with both of them (meaning I've seen so many different versions of thier acts by diffrent people).
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: moka on August 30, 2016, 08:04:54 PM
any way to livestream for free?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: grodnoking on August 30, 2016, 08:11:47 PM
any way to livestream for free?
U can get the votes in after Anthony ying posts it on YouTube.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: moka on August 30, 2016, 08:13:49 PM
U can get the votes in after Anthony ying posts it on YouTube.
i dont want to vote. i want to watch live
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Eliyohu on August 30, 2016, 08:26:50 PM
i dont want to vote. i want to watch live
On the NBC app they let you watch an hour or so for free
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on September 01, 2016, 01:35:41 PM
So apparently howie has never looked at a quarter in his life!

And Nick said "mischeevious" (mischievous).  ??? ???
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Mordyk on September 01, 2016, 03:33:27 PM
So apparently howie has never looked at a quarter in his life!

And Nick said "mischeevious" (mischievous).  ??? ???
some people cant see well. too hard to understand?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on September 02, 2016, 12:11:42 AM
Excited to see The Passing Zone back. They might not be super talented jugglers or anything, but I can't stop laughing watching them abuse the judges  :D
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: ash on September 02, 2016, 02:12:40 AM
here is blake with Penn and Teller
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: SamKey on September 03, 2016, 09:05:55 PM
here is blake with Penn and Teller

He should've done that trick
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yoruel on September 08, 2016, 03:59:37 PM
Too many singers in the Final 10.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: sky121 on September 08, 2016, 04:07:38 PM
Too many singers in the Final 10.
So many crazy talented singers got cut. It's a tough year.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Eliyohu on September 08, 2016, 04:22:06 PM
So many crazy talented singers got cut. It's a tough year.
+1 except that each one, it wasn't their best performance except Brian
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: SamKey on September 09, 2016, 09:15:36 AM
Linkin Bridge was really really good
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Joe4007 on September 09, 2016, 10:04:49 AM


It's a tough year.
I think it's actually the first year the judges feel somewhat genuine when they're constantly repeating that phrase...
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on September 11, 2016, 11:58:10 PM
for those who watch AGT and Now You See Me 2



Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yoruel on September 14, 2016, 04:45:44 PM
Who will Win?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on September 14, 2016, 04:46:50 PM
Who will Win?
Vanderwall
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: elya on September 14, 2016, 05:03:12 PM
Can someone please explain why in the world Tape Face, and Victor Kee made it to the finals???

Where is the talent in either of their acts?!?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Mordyk on September 14, 2016, 05:26:56 PM
Can someone please explain why in the world Tape Face, and Victor Kee made it to the finals???

Where is the talent in either of their acts?!?
tape face is amazing. its  dumb comedy but done brilliantly. very unpredictable his moves
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Eliyohu on September 14, 2016, 05:34:55 PM
Can someone please explain why in the world Tape Face, and Victor Kee made it to the finals???

Where is the talent in either of their acts?!?
+1 Tape face had an amazing first performance, i believe the unpredictability kept ppl captivated and expected the finals to be something simmilar to his 1st.
Viktor kee although new and refreshing way of juggling its not agt final material at all.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: SamKey on September 15, 2016, 02:39:37 PM
I thought the most talented performer was Sophie Dossie but glad clairvoyants didn't win
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Luvtotravel on September 15, 2016, 02:43:56 PM
I thought the most talented performer was Sophie Dossie but glad clairvoyants didn't win
i also thought she should have won. dont really see gadlus of vaanderwahl. what do you have against the clairvoyants?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: jj1000 on September 15, 2016, 02:46:00 PM
I thought the most talented performer was Sophie Dossie but glad clairvoyants didn't win
It's a popularity contest and music is more popular than anything else in general.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Emkay on September 15, 2016, 02:52:00 PM
I personally dont think standard singing acts should have a place on this show. There are enough platforms dedicated to that.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on September 15, 2016, 03:18:43 PM
I personally dont think standard singing acts should have a place on this show. There are enough platforms dedicated to that.
But Simon makes the most $$$ off them...so they stay
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: elya on September 15, 2016, 07:41:44 PM
But Simon makes the most $$$ off them...so they stay
How does he make more money off singing acts?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: MosheD on September 15, 2016, 07:45:19 PM
How does he make more money off singing acts?
He signs them to his record label
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on September 15, 2016, 10:54:10 PM
Is it just me or does Nick look like a chassidish woman with that head covering :P (finale results show)
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: yochiek93 on September 15, 2016, 11:28:49 PM
i also thought she should have won. dont really see gadlus of vaanderwahl. what do you have against the clairvoyants?
I agree Dossi should've won but VaanderWaal was amazing you don't see that kind of talent so often
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Welder on September 15, 2016, 11:34:23 PM
Is it just me or does Nick look like a chassidish woman with that head covering :P (finale results show)
Someone commented on YouTube that he was hiding Voldemort in the back of his head.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Eliyohu on September 15, 2016, 11:37:19 PM
I agree Dossi should've won but VaanderWaal was amazing you don't see that kind of talent so often
+1 on dossi however i personally didnt enjoy grace voice sounded to me very crackly and some times for ex her last performance for the finals (not after the votes were cast) when she was screaming into the mic (mby was supposed to be) but seemed off tune a friend tried to convince me its indy style and supposed to be that way. ..
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on September 16, 2016, 02:29:21 AM
+1 on dossi however i personally didnt enjoy grace voice sounded to me very crackly and some times for ex her last performance for the finals (not after the votes were cast) when she was screaming into the mic (mby was supposed to be) but seemed off tune a friend tried to convince me its indy style and supposed to be that way. ..
your friend is very much correct. Also ppl, you should all keep in mind that she's 12 and every performance was an original. That's an American who has Talent!
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Luvtotravel on September 16, 2016, 11:26:15 AM

old but hysterical as ever. anyone know the guy at 2:20? ;D
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on September 16, 2016, 11:42:39 AM

old but hysterical as ever. anyone know the guy at 2:20? ;D
I know him :D
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Luvtotravel on September 16, 2016, 11:47:26 AM
ddf?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on September 16, 2016, 11:48:45 AM
ddf?
Yeshiva. The video got sent around and we all had a good laugh  ;D
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Luvtotravel on September 16, 2016, 12:54:27 PM
Yeshiva. The video got sent around and we all had a good laugh  ;D
well at least he was already married and wasnt kicked out of yeshiva!
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: pcgeek on September 16, 2016, 01:59:37 PM
well at least he was already married and wasnt kicked out of yeshiva!
OT but why do you assume he's married
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: coralsnake on September 16, 2016, 02:53:29 PM
for those who watch AGT and Now You See Me 2



Top card. Duh.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 12, 2017, 08:36:27 PM
Really sad about that doctor... :'(
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: BP16 on July 12, 2017, 09:50:29 PM
Really sad about that doctor... :'(
Explain. I didn't watch the latest one
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: bb1836 on July 12, 2017, 09:52:20 PM
Explain. I didn't watch the latest one
Don't wanna spoil for everyone. Just watch
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: jj1000 on July 12, 2017, 11:30:22 PM
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Z56 on July 13, 2017, 03:13:06 AM
Really sad about that doctor... :'(

+1
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: BP16 on July 13, 2017, 12:00:19 PM
Don't wanna spoil for everyone. Just watch
Wow crazy stuff!
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Mordyk on July 11, 2018, 11:22:20 PM
All golden buzzers went to singers?  I think agt should not let singers go on the show.  They belong on a singing competition 
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: Abebee on July 11, 2018, 11:27:48 PM
All golden buzzers went to singers?  I think agt should not let singers go on the show.  They belong on a singing competition
Had the same thought. There are plenty of singing show, this should be strictly talent excluding singing.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: ludmila on July 12, 2018, 02:29:59 AM
Don't wanna spoil for everyone. Just watch
Very sad.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: sky121 on July 12, 2018, 08:20:01 AM
https://youtu.be/w4AF87gInxY
This kid was fantastic.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: jj1000 on July 12, 2018, 08:55:14 AM
https://youtu.be/w4AF87gInxY
This kid was fantastic.
Did Simon buy him a dog?
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: @Yehuda on July 12, 2018, 09:16:01 AM
https://youtu.be/w4AF87gInxY
This kid was fantastic.
Just another one of the "fake" ones this year that have already been on other country's TV talent shows. Has a viral video of him on Youtube singing the same song as like a 5 year old. This year definitely has the most already somewhat famous/successful contestants of any year.
Title: Re: America's Got Talent
Post by: sky121 on July 12, 2018, 09:48:19 AM
Just another one of the "fake" ones this year that have already been on other country's TV talent shows. Has a viral video of him on Youtube singing the same song as like a 5 year old. This year definitely has the most already somewhat famous/successful contestants of any year.
Yes I recognized him. He's still great.