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Title: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on June 24, 2014, 09:12:09 AM
Anyone who would be interested in this class please PM me there cell phone # so I can add them to the whatsapp group for more details and Questions.

Quote from the instructor:

"The course will most probably be from july 25th to august 11th. the course will be very intensive and you must commit the entire period of time to this course. the price can be as high as 1700 and as low as 1200 depending on the amount of people that sign up."
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Joe4007 on June 24, 2014, 09:17:33 AM
Location?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on June 24, 2014, 09:18:09 AM
Most Likely Flatbush
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: moko on June 24, 2014, 09:24:41 AM
Anyone who would be interested in this class please PM me.

Quote from the instructor:

"The course will most probably be from july 25th to august 11th. the course will be very intensive and you must commit the entire period of time to this course. the price can be as high as 1700 and as low as 1200 depending on the amount of people that sign up."
def. interested but timing would have to work out. Do you have a time of day, how many hrs. a day, etc.?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on June 24, 2014, 09:26:15 AM
I dont know, the details are still being worked out if you want i could add you to the whatsapp group for the people interested
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avrumy22 on June 24, 2014, 09:50:08 AM
Just FYI, taking an EMT class, does not mean passing. The NY State test is harder then NJ (I have taken both) and not everyone passes. Be sure to speak to people that have taken the class to know how hard the work is etc.

You will not be reimbursed if you fail.

Good luck to all!
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Medic97 on June 24, 2014, 10:09:04 AM
I see ppl with less brains than a cat pass the nys exam. No reason why anyone here should fail.

What I find interesting is taking a 3 month course and pushing it into 2 weeks. As a former EMT instructor, I'm sure the material can be taught in that time. I'm just not sure the students will grasp it in that time.

My suggestion, if you really plan on doing it. Buy the book in advance and read the whole thing before class. It will give a big edge in understanding the classes.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on June 24, 2014, 10:10:28 AM
I see ppl with less brains than a cat pass the nys exam. No reason why anyone here should fail.

What I find interesting is taking a 3 month course and pushing it into 2 weeks. As a former EMT instructor, I'm sure the material can be taught in that time. I'm just not sure the students will grasp it in that time.

My suggestion, if you really plan on doing it. Buy the book in advance and read the whole thing before class. It will give a big edge in understanding the classes.

Thanks do you know what its called and where I can get a copy?

Anyone who is interested please PM me there cell phone # so I can add them to the whatsapp group
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: SRM on June 24, 2014, 10:12:36 AM
anyone know of a quick EMT refresher course?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Medic97 on June 24, 2014, 10:14:37 AM
You have to ask the instructor which book he is using, there are a few.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on June 24, 2014, 10:15:09 AM
You have to ask the instructor which book he is using, there are a few.

OK Thanks
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: yitzyul on June 24, 2014, 10:54:06 AM
If you decide to make one in the Monsey Area let me know!

I took the course many years ago in 3.5 weeks in the afternoon hours, and was not that bad,.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avrumy22 on June 24, 2014, 11:09:27 AM
I see ppl with less brains than a cat pass the nys exam. No reason why anyone here should fail.

What I find interesting is taking a 3 month course and pushing it into 2 weeks. As a former EMT instructor, I'm sure the material can be taught in that time. I'm just not sure the students will grasp it in that time.

My suggestion, if you really plan on doing it. Buy the book in advance and read the whole thing before class. It will give a big edge in understanding the classes.

A few friends of mine took by Emergency Care and one took a one month crash course. About half the class failed in both. (Yes, some were frum).

Definitely go through the book and check the workload before you jump into it.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: bhphotoman on June 25, 2014, 07:13:04 PM
PM me details i may have a few friends that are interested

TIA
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Saver2000 on June 26, 2014, 02:00:39 AM
Just FYI, taking an EMT class, does not mean passing. The NY State test is harder then NJ (I have taken both) and not everyone passes. Be sure to speak to people that have taken the class to know how hard the work is etc.

  You will not be reimbursed if you fail.

Good luck to all!
What's that mean? If you pass, you get reimbursed the full amount that you paid for the course?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Saver2000 on June 26, 2014, 02:02:21 AM
I know some people looking to do this in NJ. 

If anyone knows of a similar course,  please post.

(The MONOC summer course in wall is full)
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avrumy22 on June 26, 2014, 09:15:03 AM
What's that mean? If you pass, you get reimbursed the full amount that you paid for the course?

Yes, I know ppl that failed asked for their money back.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Saver2000 on June 26, 2014, 09:18:15 AM
Yes, I know ppl that failed asked for their money back.
Who reimburses you? The state?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: hocker on June 26, 2014, 09:22:04 AM
NYS doesn't have a training fund?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on June 26, 2014, 03:00:31 PM
Anyone who is still interested please PM me there name and E-mail and I will forward it to the guy in charge.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: yosefyosef on June 26, 2014, 03:26:59 PM
Men or Women?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: bestwatchman on June 27, 2014, 10:03:23 AM
Wish I was in ny then to do this
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: efflpetzel on July 11, 2014, 10:36:46 AM
Do I need to to have any first aid experience to do this course or can I be a total noob
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Dr Moose on September 14, 2014, 11:49:28 PM
does anyone know of any EMT courses in the monsey area?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Yellow on September 15, 2014, 04:44:14 PM

Are there ever any of these courses for women?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: DealRaider on September 16, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
Anyone know of a course in Ny area Brooklyn/5 Towns doesnt need to be 2.5 weeks.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on September 16, 2014, 09:29:29 AM
Anyone know of a course in Ny area Brooklyn/5 Towns doesnt need to be 2.5 weeks.
http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_training.html
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: DealRaider on September 17, 2014, 08:40:41 AM
http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_training.html

Thank you
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Medic97 on October 30, 2014, 01:10:56 PM
Posting for a Friend, please do not PM me for information.

"I am putting together a group of approx. 20 men Only in Crown Heights to do an EMT Class Class will run from March 22nd until the state exam on June 18th We will meet every Sunday, Tuesday and Thursday from 6pm -10pm  there will be about 4 of the Sundays that we will meet from 2pm - 10pm Price will be $1450.00 this includes the $200 text book and online access
 
If you need any further info please contact me medic@yttl.org"
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: benny613 on December 24, 2014, 03:03:58 PM
I would like to get 20 people together for the emt class in lakewood and the classes should be during bein hazemanim .any way to get an instructor?  Or  could i call a school and see if they want to create one for us? And is anyone interested?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: metziah on December 24, 2014, 03:49:03 PM
Is there an age limit.
I have a 17 yr. old that would probably be interested...
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avromie7 on December 24, 2014, 05:29:29 PM
Is there an age limit.
I have a 17 yr. old that would probably be interested...
In NJ the age is 16 but must be 18 to work as an EMT in NY the minimum is 18 but IINM only need to be 18 for the last test
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: aryeh1 on December 24, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
Need to renew
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avromie7 on December 30, 2014, 06:35:09 PM
Fwd from a friend of mine pm me for his number

I'm looking to put together a NYS EMT-B course in the Flatbush/Boro Park area geared towards bochurim (not during seder hours, etc...). The course will be given by a professional school. If you or anybody you know is interested please call/text me ASAP. You must be 18 by 6/30/15. We would like to start very soon. Please pass this on.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: bentch on February 19, 2015, 01:11:29 PM
Fwd from a friend of mine pm me for his number

I'm looking to put together a NYS EMT-B course in the Flatbush/Boro Park area geared towards bochurim (not during seder hours, etc...). The course will be given by a professional school. If you or anybody you know is interested please call/text me ASAP. You must be 18 by 6/30/15. We would like to start very soon. Please pass this on.

is this still happening?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avromie7 on February 19, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
is this still happening?
I just asked him he said it's starting this motzei shabbos so if you want to join PM me and i'll give you his number
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: bentch on February 19, 2015, 02:12:26 PM
thanks pm sent
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avromie7 on February 19, 2015, 02:14:22 PM
thanks pm sent
I didn't get it
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Sammy82 on February 19, 2015, 02:36:49 PM
what does this cost? and what are the classroom hours?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avromie7 on February 19, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
what does this cost? and what are the classroom hours?
PM me and i'll give you my friends number you can call him
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: srf60 on May 21, 2015, 01:48:18 PM
Hi, does anyone know of a EMT course in NYC?
Any recommendation of a school/instructor?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: DMYD on May 21, 2015, 02:18:03 PM
Hi, does anyone know of a EMT course in NYC?
Any recommendation of a school/instructor?
benyfogel@gmail.com email him
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: srf60 on May 21, 2015, 02:20:16 PM
benyfogel@gmail.com email him
Thanks
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on May 21, 2015, 02:47:21 PM
Hi, does anyone know of a EMT course in NYC?
Any recommendation of a school/instructor?
I'm just finishing my course now (final exam is tommorow) I took it at http://www.emergencycareny.com/
try to get a class that fred is teaching
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: srf60 on May 21, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
I'm just finishing my course now (final exam is tommorow) I took it at http://www.emergencycareny.com/
try to get a class that fred is teaching
Thanks.
If you have a chance I would like to hear a little how it was.....
Good luck on your exam!
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Shmulie on May 21, 2015, 03:42:58 PM
Thanks.
If you have a chance I would like to hear a little how it was.....
Good luck on your exam!
thanks
sure you can pm me any questions you have and I'll try to answer
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: aryeh1 on May 26, 2015, 11:24:30 AM
I'm just finishing my course now (final exam is tommorow) I took it at http://www.emergencycareny.com/
try to get a class that fred is teaching
Fred is the man!
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 26, 2015, 02:34:04 PM
How many hours is the course?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: ADG on May 26, 2015, 03:32:56 PM
How many hours is the course?

4 months * 8 hours a week... ruffly

Fred is the man!

Davis is the Man!
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 26, 2015, 03:46:24 PM
4 months * 8 hours a week... ruffly

Davis is the Man!
thanks
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: hocker on June 01, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
Anyone interested in a NYS EMT class starting approximately June 23 in the Catskills Please PM.

Aprox $1300
8 hours a day split between mornings and evenings.
Hours and Start dates are flexible though. 
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: grodnoking on June 01, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
Anyone interested in a NYS EMT class starting approximately June 23 in the Catskills Please PM.

Aprox $1300
8 hours a day split between mornings and evenings.
Hours and Start dates are flexible though.
Whats the total hours
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: ADG on June 01, 2015, 02:50:33 PM
Anyone interested in a NYS EMT class starting approximately June 23 in the Catskills Please PM.

Aprox $1300
8 hours a day split between mornings and evenings.
Hours and Start dates are flexible though.
sounds cool! not interested cuz im doing it now in the city:)
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: snapit on June 01, 2015, 03:15:30 PM
Anyone know of something like this in Lakewood? (Looking for Nights and weekends)
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avrumy22 on June 01, 2015, 05:53:48 PM
Anyone know of something like this in Lakewood? (Looking for Nights and weekends)

There are two courses that most in lakewood take. Monmouth medical center and monoco. I did monmouth medical. Was twice a week Monday and Wednesday from 6.30 till 10.30. Usually started at 7 and ended by 10. Gave no issues with missing for holidays. They were very accommodating. Feel free to ask me any questions. Just note when I did it it was 120 hours. I hear that it's now closer to 200.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: snapit on June 01, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
There are two courses that most in lakewood take. Monmouth medical center and monoco. I did monmouth medical. Was twice a week Monday and Wednesday from 6.30 till 10.30. Usually started at 7 and ended by 10. Gave no issues with missing for holidays. They were very accommodating. Feel free to ask me any questions. Just note when I did it it was 120 hours. I hear that it's now closer to 200.
Thanks for the info,  will be in touch
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: hocker on June 02, 2015, 09:51:36 AM
Wiki added
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: chbochur on June 02, 2015, 10:29:05 AM
How about spreading it out over the summer (or at least a month)
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avrumy22 on June 02, 2015, 05:55:59 PM
Wiki added

Thanks. Can someone change the title also. EMG master thread
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: srf60 on June 03, 2015, 01:52:54 PM


benyfogel@gmail.com email him

Anyone have any experience with this guy?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: DMYD on June 03, 2015, 01:54:28 PM

Anyone have any experience with this guy?
Not me personally but people I know uses him and we're very happy.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: srf60 on June 03, 2015, 02:03:01 PM
Not me personally but people I know uses him and we're very happy.
Thanks.
So maybe let's do it, you interested?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: DMYD on June 03, 2015, 02:15:16 PM
Thanks.
So maybe let's do it, you interested?
Maybe in the Winter dont have to much time in the Summer
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: JoeyShmoe on June 04, 2015, 02:13:50 PM
The website for NJ says that it's free for volunteers,
Quote
you must present a Certificate of Eligibility
. I've heard that Lakewood Hatzalah offers those (for non-members), anybody know if that's true and how I would obtain one of those?
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: semper fi on June 04, 2015, 05:40:22 PM
The website for NJ says that it's free for volunteers, . I've heard that Lakewood Hatzalah offers those (for non-members), anybody know if that's true and how I would obtain one of those?
They do not offer it for non-members.
You can join any local squad and they can give you the certificate you need.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: JoeyShmoe on June 04, 2015, 05:43:19 PM
They do not offer it for non-members.
You can join any local squad and they can give you the certificate you need.

Can you please elaborate? I would really like to get an EMT license, but can't really afford it at the moment.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: semper fi on June 04, 2015, 06:36:38 PM
Can you please elaborate? I would really like to get an EMT license, but can't really afford it at the moment.
If you live in NJ, you can join any local volly squad(even with out EMT certification).
The squad has the ability to give you a sort of grant from the state. It does not include books and equipment you are required to buy.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: JoeyShmoe on June 04, 2015, 07:33:43 PM
If you live in NJ, you can join any local volly squad(even with out EMT certification).
The squad has the ability to give you a sort of grant from the state. It does not include books and equipment you are required to buy.

Thanks, I'll look into it
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: yochiek93 on June 04, 2015, 07:51:38 PM
If you live in NJ, you can join any local volly squad(even with out EMT certification).
The squad has the ability to give you a sort of grant from the state. It does not include books and equipment you are required to buy.
Do they have such a thing for NY
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: semper fi on June 04, 2015, 08:02:31 PM
Do they have such a thing for NY
I remember hearing that the state does offer one, I don't know for sure. There are very few volly squads in the city. Best way for both of you, would be to call or drop by  a local squad and speak with a line officer.
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: yochiek93 on June 04, 2015, 08:21:55 PM
I remember hearing that the state does offer one, I don't know for sure. There are very few volly squads in the city. Best way for both of you, would be to call or drop by  a local squad and speak with a line officer.
Thanx
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: samzyr on August 16, 2015, 10:57:01 AM
Any benefit or disadvantage of getting Emt plates in ny?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: DMYD on August 16, 2015, 01:21:08 PM
Any benefit or disadvantage of getting Emt plates in ny?
Besides a lesser chance of getting a ticket, nothing really.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on August 16, 2015, 01:26:55 PM
Besides a lesser chance of getting a ticket, nothing really.
+1 on my father's car they sometimes put in the EMT/VAS as part of the plate number
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Einstein on August 16, 2015, 01:28:23 PM
Any benefit or disadvantage of getting Emt plates in ny?
I heard that if you have EMT or VAS plates, and you pass an accident your obligated to stop, not sure if thats true or not
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on August 16, 2015, 05:26:35 PM
I heard that if you have EMT or VAS plates, and you pass an accident your obligated to stop, not sure if thats true or not
Can't be true what if I take my father's car I have to stop I'm not an EMT
But if its the EMT if he stops he can't leave.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on August 16, 2015, 06:42:41 PM
I heard that if you have EMT or VAS plates, and you pass an accident your obligated to stop, not sure if thats true or not
Vas definitely doesn't have too as it just means your a member of a volly. Also, emt plates are vanity plates,  they don't actually mean anything. If you have a doh sticker and a plaque then it is different.
As far as tickets, the Vas or emt is the kind o f plate and not part of it, so if they ticket you as plate Vas2558 it's an invalid ticket
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: JoeyShmoe on August 16, 2015, 08:31:37 PM
Vas definitely doesn't have too as it just means your a member of a volly. Also, emt plates are vanity plates,  they don't actually mean anything. If you have a doh sticker and a plaque then it is different.
As far as tickets, the Vas or emt is the kind o f plate and not part of it, so if they ticket you as plate Vas2558 it's an invalid ticket
-1
It definitely is supposed to be added to the license plate number, VAS goes before the number and EMT/EMTP goes after. We have all three of them in our family, so I know this stuff . The place where most tickets are invalidated is on the plate type, regular is PAS, VAS is VAS and EMT/EMTP is SRF
Title: Re: 2.5 Week EMT Class NY
Post by: avrumy22 on August 16, 2015, 08:46:02 PM
If you live in NJ, you can join any local volly squad(even with out EMT certification).
The squad has the ability to give you a sort of grant from the state. It does not include books and equipment you are required to buy.


Just want to chime in for a min. It does not cost the sponsoring squad a dime. All they do is give you a paper that you are a possibly  a future member. This is the way it was a few years ago. I am not sure if it changed.

some places in lakewood started making you promise a certain amount of hours bec everyone was asking them.

In my class in Monmouth medical, almost everyone had a sponsor.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on August 16, 2015, 08:51:04 PM


-1
It definitely is supposed to be added to the license plate number, VAS goes before the number and EMT/EMTP goes after. We have all three of them in our family, so I know this stuff . The place where most tickets are invalidated is on the plate type, regular is PAS, VAS is VAS and EMT/EMTP is SRF

Ok but your wrong as that's exactly what happened to me. Vas is not part of the number. Emt may be, I don't have that but Vas is the type of plate.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: JoeyShmoe on August 16, 2015, 08:54:23 PM

Ok but your wrong as that's exactly what happened to me. Vas is not part of the number. Emt may be, I don't have that but Vas is the type of plate.
You're probably right about the VAS, my bad
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on August 16, 2015, 09:11:28 PM



Ok but your wrong as that's exactly what happened to me. Vas is not part of the number.

+1
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: jameswacht on August 17, 2015, 05:07:20 PM
anyone know of a frum emt course in brooklyn?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on September 30, 2015, 09:34:21 PM
Anyone know of an EMT course starting in the near future in ny
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: David Smith on September 30, 2015, 09:44:31 PM
Anyone know of an EMT course starting in the near future in ny
Emergency care programs. They run several concurrent courses, and they have trained the majority of EMTs in NYC. Also laguardia has one starting rlly soon, dont know exactly when, but they offer financial aid/it's free if you meet certain qualifications. And bec lga is a college, you can get credits for doing course by them
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 12:11:58 AM
Vas definitely doesn't have too as it just means your a member of a volly. Also, emt plates are vanity plates,  they don't actually mean anything. If you have a doh sticker and a plaque then it is different.
As far as tickets, the Vas or emt is the kind o f plate and not part of it, so if they ticket you as plate Vas2558 it's an invalid ticket
My plates are emt and they wrote the ticket emt... and it is a valid ticket and had to fight it a different way
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 18, 2015, 12:12:44 AM
My plates are emt and they wrote the ticket emt... and it is a valid ticket and had to fight it a different way
Explain...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 12:15:19 AM
I got a parking ticket and my license plate is a emt plate and they wrote on the ticket emt1223 (even though the emt is not part of the license plate rather the plate type) and they sent me a reminder about it in the mail meaning it's a valid ticket
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 18, 2015, 12:18:22 AM
I got a parking ticket and my license plate is a emt plate and they wrote on the ticket emt1223 (even though the emt is not part of the license plate rather the plate type) and they sent me a reminder about it in the mail meaning it's a valid ticket
Did they scan your registration  or write it out?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 12:19:17 AM
Write it out
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on October 18, 2015, 12:19:29 AM
Any benefit or disadvantage of getting Emt plates in ny?
Once almost spent shabbos stuck in Jones beach, but gave an officer an escort thru an hour of standstill traffic . But
I heard that if you have EMT or VAS plates, and you pass an accident your obligated to stop, not sure if thats true or not
You are in NY, but we had no one chasing after us... was a little worried but the officer waved thanks at us as we passed by after the crash...
Can't be true what if I take my father's car I have to stop I'm not an EMT
But if its the EMT if he stops he can't leave.
Well obviously you dont need to stop! But I believe even an unmarked emt needs to stop.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 18, 2015, 12:22:18 AM


Well obviously you dont need to stop! But I believe even an unmarked emt needs to stop.
they legally  have to stop of they are on call if not they don't need to

Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 18, 2015, 12:23:16 AM
Write it out
Interesting  BTW how'd you fight it
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 12:25:02 AM
It wasn't signed, it wasn't Brooklyn so they're job is not to write tickets and their not very good at it...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 18, 2015, 12:49:49 AM
It wasn't signed, it wasn't Brooklyn so they're job is not to write tickets and their not very good at it...
It got in the system cuz they figured it out, but it would still be dismissed since the ticket is not written to your car.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 12:51:45 AM
Possibly but I believe that's the way their supposed to write it
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on October 18, 2015, 01:10:08 AM
I heard that if you have EMT or VAS plates, and you pass an accident your obligated to stop, not sure if thats true or not
nope not true
only if your on duty you have to stop and help only if someone actually waves you down (even have to stop if your on the way to another call!)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 18, 2015, 01:14:28 AM
Possibly but I believe that's the way their supposed to write it
How does that make sense? They're supposed  to write it out but it will be dismissed  because it's wrong
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 01:16:35 AM
Well then what's the right way to write it there is no option for plate type
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 18, 2015, 01:17:54 AM
Well then what's the right way to write it there is no option for plate type
The plate number as it is not the plate type
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 01:21:02 AM
Then it should not show up in the system and they should assume its someone else's license plate and not send me a reminder in the mail
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on October 18, 2015, 01:25:10 AM
Well then what's the right way to write it there is no option for plate type
NYC tickets do have a place for a plate type not sure about elsewhere
(http://www.nycticketfighter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/nycparkingticketnews1.jpg)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 18, 2015, 01:25:51 AM
Well it was not a nyc ticket
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 19, 2015, 12:34:01 AM
Well it was not a nyc ticket
What was it?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 19, 2015, 12:34:47 AM
Nassau county
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 19, 2015, 12:36:02 AM
My plates are emt and they wrote the ticket emt... and it is a valid ticket and had to fight it a different way
Emt might be part of the number as opposed to vas which is not. See conv below
You're probably right about the VAS, my bad

-1
It definitely is supposed to be added to the license plate number, VAS goes before the number and EMT/EMTP goes after. We have all three of them in our family, so I know this stuff . The place where most tickets are invalidated is on the plate type, regular is PAS, VAS is VAS and EMT/EMTP is SRF
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hocker on October 25, 2015, 12:17:43 PM
If anyone is interested in taking a CFR course in Israel starting Nov 2nd. Please PM.

5 week course.

Learn how to start IV etc
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 25, 2015, 05:41:30 PM
If anyone is interested in taking a CFR course in Israel starting Nov 2nd. Please PM.

5 week course.

Learn how to start IV etc
Israeli CFR's can start an IV?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hocker on October 25, 2015, 05:49:02 PM
Israeli CFR's can start an IV?
Yes.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 25, 2015, 08:18:20 PM
Israeli CFR's can start an IV?
The 88hr course in Israel (CFR) can start iv lines
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: srf60 on October 25, 2015, 09:00:11 PM
The 88hr course in Israel (CFR) can start iv lines
Wow, an EMT with 160 hrs of training, cannot!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 25, 2015, 09:00:57 PM
Wow, an EMT with 160 hrs of training, cannot!
That's in America in Israel from a CFR they can
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ADG on October 28, 2015, 11:38:51 AM
anyone know of a hatzala contact for midtown. I would like to apply.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: coralsnake on October 28, 2015, 12:27:04 PM
anyone know of a hatzala contact for midtown. I would like to apply.

Non-emergeny number here:
https://www.hatzalah.org/donatemidtown.php
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 28, 2015, 01:00:10 PM
anyone know of a hatzala contact for midtown. I would like to apply.
Are you a member in another neighborhood? All the midtown responders are members in other neighborhoods and respond there during the day. Evenings and weekends, midtown is covered by west side and east side.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: mrprez27 on October 28, 2015, 05:24:58 PM
If anyone is interested in taking a CFR course in Israel starting Nov 2nd. Please PM.

5 week course.

Learn how to start IV etc

Are any courses available during January and/or similar ones that may be less than a week as opposed to five weeks.

 I"m currently in EMT night classes in the Bronx.

 Its frustrating at times, because we waste so much time just reading slides that I could have read in our textbook. 

The written test is a joke. The issue is to take the written test (separate from "Practicals" - Hands on testing) you need to have attended a course (also referred to as a course sponsor). I pay around $1200-not including $350 in tolls to attend the course. I was aware that, there are local courses in the $700 range (but they didn't work with my schedule).

Anyhow, it seems from what I've heard from friend's, that Hatzalah offers more accommodating courses where you aren't forced to show up to do nothing.

Anyhow, EMT's in the State of NY seem to be able to do very little (Medically Speaking)... If anyone here is an EMT, if you work in NY State, you can't 'pierce' skin (except with the EpiPen--which is prefilled).

In an unrelated one hour free course offered by Nassau County I got certified in the uses of Narcan (an Anti-Opiate drug), got the free drug (worth $80 a dose) and a card legally allowing me to administer it IN (intranasal) and IM (intramuscular). Essentially in that one hour I became more "qualified' so to speak than every EMT in NY that legally can't touch a syringe.

To the point, It seems in Israel with Basic First Responder training some people can even administer a Saline Iv. I know there is zero reciprocity between NY and Israel (or any state/country) But, I would be interested in learning those skills even without being legally able to practice them in NY.

Now the question :) -Is there any source in the Tri-State area or Israel, that is less than a week and teaches IV therapy and other neat medical procedures not taught to EMT-B's?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: mrprez27 on October 28, 2015, 05:25:53 PM
Are any courses available during January and/or similar ones that may be less than a week as opposed to five weeks.

 I"m currently in EMT night classes in the Bronx.

 Its frustrating at times, because we waste so much time just reading slides that I could have read in our textbook. 

The written test is a joke. The issue is to take the written test (separate from "Practicals" - Hands on testing) you need to have attended a course (also referred to as a course sponsor). I pay around $1200-not including $350 in tolls to attend the course. I was aware that, there are local courses in the $700 range (but they didn't work with my schedule).

Anyhow, it seems from what I've heard from friend's, that Hatzalah offers more accommodating courses where you aren't forced to show up to do nothing.

Anyhow, EMT's in the State of NY seem to be able to do very little (Medically Speaking)... If anyone here is an EMT, if you work in NY State, you can't 'pierce' skin (except with the EpiPen--which is prefilled).

In an unrelated one hour free course offered by Nassau County I got certified in the uses of Narcan (an Anti-Opiate drug), got the free drug (worth $80 a dose) and a card legally allowing me to administer it IN (intranasal) and IM (intramuscular). Essentially in that one hour I became more "qualified' so to speak than every EMT in NY that legally can't touch a syringe.

To the point, It seems in Israel with Basic First Responder training some people can even administer a Saline Iv. I know there is zero reciprocity between NY and Israel (or any state/country) But, I would be interested in learning those skills even without being legally able to practice them in NY.

Now the question :) -Is there any source in the Tri-State area or Israel, that is less than a week and teaches IV therapy and other neat medical procedures not taught to EMT-B's?

Sorry about my spelling/grammar.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 28, 2015, 07:10:41 PM
Sorry about my spelling/grammer.
Well I'm having a hard time deciphering what you wrote
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: mrprez27 on October 28, 2015, 07:34:20 PM
Well I'm having a hard time deciphering what you wrote

Thanks, Just Edited
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 28, 2015, 07:52:16 PM
In Israel MDA gives the course for CFR that is 2 weeks you can ask if you are a EMT they can give you some kind of break that you only have to be there for the stuff you don't know
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 29, 2015, 12:02:56 AM
Are any courses available during January and/or similar ones that may be less than a week as opposed to five weeks.

 I"m currently in EMT night classes in the Bronx.

 Its frustrating at times, because we waste so much time just reading slides that I could have read in our textbook. 

The written test is a joke. The issue is to take the written test (separate from "Practicals" - Hands on testing) you need to have attended a course (also referred to as a course sponsor). I pay around $1200-not including $350 in tolls to attend the course. I was aware that, there are local courses in the $700 range (but they didn't work with my schedule).

Anyhow, it seems from what I've heard from friend's, that Hatzalah offers more accommodating courses where you aren't forced to show up to do nothing.

Anyhow, EMT's in the State of NY seem to be able to do very little (Medically Speaking)... If anyone here is an EMT, if you work in NY State, you can't 'pierce' skin (except with the EpiPen--which is prefilled).

In an unrelated one hour free course offered by Nassau County I got certified in the uses of Narcan (an Anti-Opiate drug), got the free drug (worth $80 a dose) and a card legally allowing me to administer it IN (intranasal) and IM (intramuscular). Essentially in that one hour I became more "qualified' so to speak than every EMT in NY that legally can't touch a syringe.

To the point, It seems in Israel with Basic First Responder training some people can even administer a Saline Iv. I know there is zero reciprocity between NY and Israel (or any state/country) But, I would be interested in learning those skills even without being legally able to practice them in NY.

Now the question :) -Is there any source in the Tri-State area or Israel, that is less than a week and teaches IV therapy and other neat medical procedures not taught to EMT-B's?
Narcan is in nys protocol but not in remsco protocol yet. Also, within NYC ends don't need to push drugs or Peirce skin as either a medic is closed either a hospital is close. That's why upstate has 2 intermediate Emt levels.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 29, 2015, 12:04:06 AM
Anyone here is familiar with the upper west side hatzolah?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on October 29, 2015, 12:08:03 AM
Anyone here is familiar with the upper west side hatzolah?
For?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 29, 2015, 12:09:10 AM
For?
PM sent
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on October 29, 2015, 09:02:36 AM
Anyone here is familiar with the upper west side hatzolah?
A friend of mine just joined them
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 08, 2015, 12:12:10 PM
Anyone know of an EMT course near monsey?

The 3 ones I know about are,


1. Rockland fire training center (cant signup becuase i already know im going to miss 4 days, only 3 are allowed)

2. RCC  - 11-3 2x a week for a few months , cant do those times, kills the whole day

3. New square - would have been perfect, but the course started more than a month ago :'( :'(





Anyone know of any others?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: The Thinker on November 17, 2015, 06:54:13 PM
Are there any Female EMT courses in LKWD? Know someone looking.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Einstein on November 17, 2015, 09:57:45 PM
Anyone know of an EMT course near monsey?

The 3 ones I know about are,


1. Rockland fire training center (cant signup becuase i already know im going to miss 4 days, only 3 are allowed)

2. RCC  - 10AM-2PM 3x a week for 3 months , cant do those times, kills the whole day

3. New square - would have been perfect, but the course started more than a month ago :'( :'(





Anyone know of any others?
FIFY
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on November 17, 2015, 10:00:34 PM
Is there such a thing as an emt course which gives you the ability to practice both in NY and NJ?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Einstein on November 17, 2015, 10:02:28 PM
Is there such a thing as an emt course which gives you the ability to practice both in NY and NJ?
im pretty sure its two different licenses
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on November 17, 2015, 10:05:18 PM
Is there such a thing as an emt course which gives you the ability to practice both in NY and NJ?
There are different protocols so you probably need both courses definitely both tests
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: semper fi on November 17, 2015, 10:10:21 PM
There are different protocols so you probably need both courses definitely both tests
There is reciprocity. I know NY excepts reciprocity from NJ 1 time, (3 yr limit) after that you have to take their CEU'S and test to KEEP your NY license.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on November 17, 2015, 10:12:09 PM
There is reciprocity. I know NY excepts reciprocity from NJ 1 time, (3 yr limit) after that you have to take their CEU'S and test to KEEP your NY license.
Even with different protocols?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: semper fi on November 17, 2015, 10:14:50 PM
Even with different protocols?
Correct. It is you're responsibility to find out conflicting protocols ( there are a few) before riding with any organization.

Every organization has their own set of different protocol as well.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on November 17, 2015, 10:15:22 PM
Correct. It is you're responsibility to find out conflicting protocols ( there are a few) before riding with any organization.

Every organization has their own set of different protocol as well.
Thanx
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: semper fi on November 17, 2015, 10:27:40 PM
Are there any Female EMT courses in LKWD? Know someone looking.
I don't believe they were ever successful in putting one together.  They all end up joining the MONOC course.

Let her reach out to Ezras Nashim in BP, I know they were trying to open in lkwd.

Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on November 17, 2015, 10:37:22 PM


Let her reach out to Ezras Nashim in BP, I know they were trying to open in lkwd.
Pop pop pop
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hocker on January 21, 2016, 07:30:44 AM
There is reciprocity. I know NY excepts reciprocity from NJ 1 time, (3 yr limit) after that you have to take their CEU'S and test to KEEP your NY license.
Keep in mind that NYS will not reciprocate for a NJ Hybrid (online) course.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 05, 2016, 07:55:09 PM
Anyone here ride for the Catskills or Flatbush Hatzalah?


Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 05, 2016, 08:07:05 PM
Anyone here ride for the Catskills or Flatbush Hatzalah?
What do you want to know?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 05, 2016, 08:09:49 PM
What do you want to know?
I have a few specific questions.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on June 27, 2016, 12:39:26 AM
I'm certified as an EMT in NY, which I know lets me "practice" in NJ. My car is registered in NJ, and I want to get EMT plates. Will my NY EMT card work to get me the Jersey plates?

See the wording on the DMV site, not so clear...   "Qualified emergency medical technicians may purchase EMT–A plates for $25."
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/VolunteerWorkers.htm



TIA!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on June 27, 2016, 12:44:16 AM
I'm certified as an EMT in NY, which I know lets me "practice" in NJ. My car is registered in NJ, and I want to get EMT plates. Will my NY EMT card work to get me the Jersey plates?

See the wording on the DMV site, not so clear...   "Qualified emergency medical technicians may purchase EMT–A plates for $25."
http://www.state.nj.us/mvc/Vehicle/VolunteerWorkers.htm



TIA!
You first have to apply for NJ EMT reciprocity iinm
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on June 27, 2016, 12:51:04 AM
You first have to apply for NJ EMT reciprocity iinm
and how big of a pain is that?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on June 27, 2016, 12:52:06 AM
and how big of a pain is that?
Idk worst it could be is a refresher and a test
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on June 27, 2016, 12:52:59 AM
Idk worst it could be is a refresher and a test
uch, may just skip it then, the plates aren't worth that much....
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on June 27, 2016, 12:53:44 AM
uch, may just skip it then, the plates aren't worth that much....
Don't take my word on it I have no idea I'm just giving you the worse case scenario
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on June 27, 2016, 12:54:28 AM
Don't take my word on it I have no idea I'm just giving you the worse case scenario
I'll call the DMV tomorrow morning and report back, thanks!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Einstein on June 27, 2016, 02:18:20 PM
I'll call the DMV tomorrow morning and report back, thanks!
eep me posted on that
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on June 28, 2016, 10:05:56 AM
eep me posted on that
So, like this. In NJ the lady from the DMV claims that I would need to do the reciprocity if I wanted the NJ plates. She sent out the application which apparently has to be mailed out so ill see when I get it, but no reason not to believe her (that the application says needs to be NJ cert.)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: bentch on June 28, 2016, 05:44:20 PM
Summer camp in Swan Lake looking for EMT from July 3 for 8 weeks. pm for more info
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on June 28, 2016, 11:51:01 PM
Has anyone here rode for, or know someone that has rode for Bethel ambulance corp in the catskills?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 12:27:02 AM
Well, Update on the NJ EMT plates. You do need a NJ EMT license to apply for them, So I applied online for reciprocity.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 05, 2016, 12:29:46 AM
Well, Update on the NJ EMT plates. You do need a NJ EMT license to apply for them, So I applied online for reciprocity.
Thought you had to take national exam to get NJ EMT. No reciprocity.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 12:33:19 AM
Thought you had to take national exam to get NJ EMT. No reciprocity.
Nope. Apparently not, I thought so too

Exemptions from the New Jersey State EMT Refresher Course & Written Certification Exam
Reciprocity applicants validly certified/licensed as an “EMT” (2009 National Educational
Standards) from any state/US territory and/or the NREMT will be permitted to obtain a New Jersey
EMT certification without having to complete the refresher course or the state written examination.
All applicants must complete the verification process. Your NJ certification expiration date
will be based upon the issuance date of your state/US territory and/or NREMT certification/license.

http://www.nj.gov/health/ems/documents/recipro.pdf
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: metsguy on July 05, 2016, 12:43:12 AM
Didn't realize NJ gave EMT plates to EMT-Bs I was under the impression it was only for EMT-Ps or ENT-As but I could be off.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 12:51:03 AM
Didn't realize NJ gave EMT plates to EMT-Bs I was under the impression it was only for EMT-Ps or ENT-As but I could be off.
NO such thing as EMT-A's IINM....  Means any EMT
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 06, 2016, 11:00:59 AM
Still waiting for my NJ Reciporcoity, I hope it doesn't take too long...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2016, 10:49:07 AM
Still waiting for my NJ Reciprocity, I hope it doesn't take too long...
Anyone know how long it takes for NJ Reciprocity? I'm waiting from July 1st...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on July 27, 2016, 10:49:35 AM
Anyone know how long it takes for NJ Reciprocity? I'm waiting from July 1st...
What did you need at the end?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2016, 10:50:48 AM
What did you need at the end?
It was confusing, becuase online one application says that you need to test out, and another one says you don't need to. I'm relying on that one ;D

My request shows pending online in the system though.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on July 27, 2016, 10:51:50 AM
It was confusing, becuase online one application says that you need to test out, and another one says you don't need to. I'm relying on that one ;D

My request shows pending online in the system though.
Ok update me when you finish
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2016, 10:52:18 AM
Ok update me when you finish
Will do.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 28, 2016, 04:23:04 PM
So apparently sending in everything online is not enough, which is my request is till pending (i found this Out by calling them today finally.)

They needed to be mailed in.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on July 28, 2016, 04:33:00 PM
So apparently sending in everything online is not enough, which is my request is till pending (i found this Out by calling them today finally.)

They needed to be mailed in.
Any test? What's the fee?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 28, 2016, 04:34:20 PM
Any test? What's the fee?
I didn't see a fee in the instructions, but I read through them quickly, I'm sure there is a fee:)


It says you don't have to do a test if you are currently certified.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 28, 2016, 04:52:55 PM
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0Bxtcu-lU9rCWMlNTaU9MaG5wQ051amFkX2dOallfVVdnem9J


link to the instructions
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on July 31, 2016, 08:57:25 PM
Anyone here know policies with hatzolah of the ft?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 31, 2016, 09:07:36 PM
Anyone here know policies with hatzolah of the ft?
All I heard is that you need to be married to take calls there...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 29, 2016, 04:23:25 PM
Ah, NJ reciprocity approved (while ago just did not update)  process is complicated to figure out, but I have the exact steps if anyone needs them
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on September 29, 2016, 04:38:37 PM
Ah, NJ reciprocity approved (while ago just did not update)  process is complicated to figure out, but I have the exact steps if anyone needs them
Thanks alot it was a breeze
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 29, 2016, 04:55:25 PM
Thanks alot it was a breeze
Your very welcome.

 I'm glad the time I put into it was able to help others!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: rebjoe on October 20, 2016, 12:04:13 PM
Anyone know any upcoming winter men's only emt course in Brooklyn ? TIA
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: rebjoe on October 20, 2016, 12:05:23 PM
Does anyone have experience getting emt cert in NYS through reciprocity from national registry certification?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on October 20, 2016, 12:18:09 PM
Anyone know any upcoming winter men's only emt course in Brooklyn ? TIA
Try calling Emergency Care Programs (http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_courselisting.html) I know they do it sometimes
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 20, 2016, 12:20:54 PM
Try calling Emergency Care Programs (http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_courselisting.html) I know they do it sometimes
I can find out for sure but iinm there isn't one as of now
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: rebjoe on October 20, 2016, 01:07:38 PM
Thanks I will call them
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on October 20, 2016, 01:20:14 PM
Anyone know any upcoming winter men's only emt course in Brooklyn ? TIA
Try bhemt.org though I can't vouch for them or know for certain that they have a class coming up...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: srf60 on October 20, 2016, 01:32:58 PM
Anyone know any upcoming winter men's only emt course in Brooklyn ? TIA

Try bhemt.org though I can't vouch for them or know for certain that they have a class coming up...
http://bhemt.org/summer--fall-schedule.html?m
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 20, 2016, 07:03:54 PM
Anyone know any upcoming winter men's only emt course in Brooklyn ? TIA

Try calling Emergency Care Programs (http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_courselisting.html) I know they do it sometimes
Update: they do have one call them they will give you all the info
PM me for more info
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: noturbizniss on October 20, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
Does anyone have experience getting emt cert in NYS through reciprocity from national registry certification?
Don't think it exists.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 20, 2016, 10:54:09 PM
Does anyone have experience getting emt cert in NYS through reciprocity from national registry certification?
Huh? Which state are you certified in?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: rebjoe on October 20, 2016, 11:04:02 PM
Nj and I'm in middle of getting national registry cert too
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 20, 2016, 11:06:17 PM
Nj and I'm in middle of getting national registry cert too
hmm, don't know how that XFer works, I think you'll have to test out in NY some way or another regardless
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on October 21, 2016, 03:37:39 AM
hmm, don't know how that XFer works, I think you'll have to test out in NY some way or another regardless
Not if you took the state exam within the last 18 iinm
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 23, 2016, 04:12:14 PM
Not if you took the state exam within the last 18 iinm
that's ny to ny, works the other way too?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: koplonko on April 22, 2018, 04:35:08 PM
Any courses starting in NYC? now or over the summer?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 22, 2018, 08:33:44 PM
Any courses starting in NYC? now or over the summer?

http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_preregistration.cfm
http://www.bhemt.org/emt-original1.html
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ADG on April 24, 2018, 10:13:23 AM
how does one get licensed renewed?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 24, 2018, 10:15:01 AM
how does one get licensed renewed?
Refresher? Certification, not license. Something I recently learned after 23 years as an EMT. Nurses wont allow it to be called a license.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ADG on April 24, 2018, 10:16:16 AM
Refresher? Certification, not license. Something I recently learned after 23 years as an EMT. Nurses wont allow it to be called a license.

preferred not. I remember how annoying it was the first time:)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 24, 2018, 10:20:46 AM
preferred not. I remember how annoying it was the first time:)
They made it much easier in NY. All classes you needed to take after the challenge exam and practical challenge are online. Only 6 or so mandatory classes including the practicals and exam. Im refershing now. Its 15 hours total time vs 60 hours CME over 3 years.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 24, 2018, 11:20:06 AM
They made it much easier in NY. All classes you needed to take after the challenge exam and practical challenge are online. Only 6 or so mandatory classes including the practicals and exam. Im refershing now. Its 15 hours total time vs 60 hours CME over 3 years.
I heard they lowered the cme hours required in NY...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ADG on April 24, 2018, 01:54:36 PM
They made it much easier in NY. All classes you needed to take after the challenge exam and practical challenge are online. Only 6 or so mandatory classes including the practicals and exam. Im refershing now. Its 15 hours total time vs 60 hours CME over 3 years.

Can you please send a link
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 24, 2018, 02:01:20 PM
Can you please send a link

http://www.emergencycareny.com/emt_refresher.html

Call them with any questions. I'm taking now with my wife. It is definitely easier than in the past. Still not a breeze, but easier.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 24, 2018, 09:29:27 PM
I need to take the refresher too but I have no time  :(
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 24, 2018, 09:37:13 PM
I need to take the refresher too but I have no time  :(
How important is it. Nothing changes if you expire and dont refresh until a later time.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 24, 2018, 09:51:56 PM
How important is it. Nothing changes if you expire and dont refresh until a later time.
really?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 24, 2018, 10:54:29 PM
really?
Other than the inability to work or volunteer. You can refresh anytime even if expired.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 24, 2018, 11:02:00 PM
Other than the inability to work or volunteer. You can refresh anytime even if expired.
interesting, didnt know that.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 24, 2018, 11:42:42 PM
How important is it. Nothing changes if you expire and dont refresh until a later time.

True but I would like to keep it active anyways, also I'm trying to join Hatzolah but no luck so far

Apparently I gotta get married first  ::)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 25, 2018, 12:23:47 AM
True but I would like to keep it active anyways, also I'm trying to join Hatzolah but no luck so far

Apparently I gotta get married first  ::)
which neighborhood? In some being married to Hatzolah is a requirement.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: mochada on April 25, 2018, 12:36:11 AM
which neighborhood? In some being married to Hatzolah is a requirement.


...and know the right people
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 25, 2018, 12:52:42 AM

...and know the right people
that's everywhere
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 25, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
True but I would like to keep it active anyways, also I'm trying to join Hatzolah but no luck so far

Apparently I gotta get married first  ::)

...and know the right people
All really depends where.

If its Boro Park, get in line. Long waiting list and they take 5 or so new guys every 18 months. Flatbush, only if you're available between 7-9am. Williamsburg, good luck. They just took in 10 new guys. Anywhere else shouldnt be an issue.

With Hatzolah its always the back door that is open. i.e. outlying neighborhoods that need day coverage and then after a few years you can get into your home neighborhood.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 25, 2018, 08:04:11 PM

...and know the right people
I know the right people (my father actually brought ALS to Hatzolah) but without being married it's basically impossible I was told

All really depends where.

If its Boro Park, get in line. Long waiting list and they take 5 or so new guys every 18 months. Flatbush, only if you're available between 7-9am. Williamsburg, good luck. They just took in 10 new guys. Anywhere else shouldnt be an issue.

With Hatzolah its always the back door that is open. i.e. outlying neighborhoods that need day coverage and then after a few years you can get into your home neighborhood.

I live in Flatbush and applied over a year ago, I also work in the 5 towns but have not applied there yet.
People keep telling me to apply to Canarsie but I really am not that close and not really available during the day enough
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 25, 2018, 08:05:35 PM
All really depends where.

If its Boro Park, get in line. Long waiting list and they take 5 or so new guys every 18 months. Flatbush, only if you're available between 7-9am. Williamsburg, good luck. They just took in 10 new guys. Anywhere else shouldnt be an issue.

With Hatzolah its always the back door that is open. i.e. outlying neighborhoods that need day coverage and then after a few years you can get into your home neighborhood.

7-9A.M.?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 25, 2018, 09:07:53 PM
All really depends where.

If its Boro Park, get in line. Long waiting list and they take 5 or so new guys every 18 months. Flatbush, only if you're available between 7-9am. Williamsburg, good luck. They just took in 10 new guys. Anywhere else shouldnt be an issue.

With Hatzolah its always the back door that is open. i.e. outlying neighborhoods that need day coverage and then after a few years you can get into your home neighborhood.
And Monsey is worse from what I hear...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 25, 2018, 09:50:08 PM

I live in Flatbush and applied over a year ago, I also work in the 5 towns but have not applied there yet.
People keep telling me to apply to Canarsie but I really am not that close and not really available during the day enough
Im waiting for my flatbush application. I was told its in the mail. 22 years now. Maybe that mailman stole it. His route wasnt that far from my house. My house used to be covered by Flatbush back in those days.
7-9A.M.?
Surprise surprise. Worst response time in flatbush is between those hours.
And Monsey is worse from what I hear...
Yup

Lakewood used to be bad too but they are growing ao quickly theyve basically been forced to take people in at a quicker pace.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 26, 2018, 12:10:34 AM
Surprise surprise. Worst response time in flatbush is between those hours. Yup

interesting  ???
2 hours early in the morning would actually work pretty well for me
My BIL is an RL member and when he comes for shabbos I always hear the response time is pretty slow calls go out 5-6 times sometimes
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 26, 2018, 01:31:40 AM
Im waiting for my flatbush application. I was told its in the mail. 22 years now. Maybe that mailman stole it. His route wasnt that far from my house. My house used to be covered by Flatbush back in those days.Surprise surprise. Worst response time in flatbush is between those hours. Yup

 ;D ;D ;D

Lakewood used to be bad too but they are growing ao quickly theyve basically been forced to take people in at a quicker pace.
And they threw out a bunch of people on the top from what I hear.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 26, 2018, 01:35:58 AM
interesting  ???
2 hours early in the morning would actually work pretty well for me
My BIL is an RL member and when he comes for shabbos I always hear the response time is pretty slow calls go out 5-6 times sometimes
Yes for some reason most hatzloahs say they don;t need members - the arrogance...

And check out this screenshot I captured lol!

(https://snag.gy/8WoyHC.jpg)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 26, 2018, 07:20:51 AM
Yes for some reason most hatzloahs say they don;t need members - the arrogance...

And check out this screenshot I captured lol!

(https://snag.gy/8WoyHC.jpg)
Having been a member I can say there is some elitism. I wouldnt say arrogance, that may be a personal trait which has nothing to so with the status of ones membership in the organization.  Most members are real tzadikim. Try giving up your sleep for one night trying to save someones life and then work a full day the next day. Try doing mouth to mouth resuscitation on a 3 month old baby who is dead in your arms and then carrying that taste in your mouth for the rest of your life. Dont judge. Its a stressful, sometimes thankless, job.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 26, 2018, 08:59:46 AM
Having been a member I can say there is some elitism. I wouldnt say arrogance, that may be a personal trait which has nothing to so with the status of ones membership in the organization.  Most members are real tzadikim. Try giving up your sleep for one night trying to save someones life and then work a full day the next day. Try doing mouth to mouth resuscitation on a 3 month old baby who is dead in your arms and then carrying that taste in your mouth for the rest of your life. Dont judge. Its a stressful, sometimes thankless, job.
wait Wait wait, I'm not talking about the majority of members which are big tzaidikim, they have no say unfortunately in taking new members in policies etc. That in no way was regarding them, it's about the people at the top.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: joeb1 on April 26, 2018, 10:04:28 AM
they have no choice
they need to keep it from being a hefker velt
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on April 26, 2018, 10:37:23 AM
they have no choice
they need to keep it from being a hefker velt
I got a bridge for sale too.

There are rhymes and reasons, for sure. But The man has a point. There is no reason to be arrogant. One of the people at the top Z"L told us at a meeting..."Hatzolah is not a democracy. Its a dictatorship." And he ran his neighborhood that way and it ran superbly. When you claim to be open and democratic and run it like a dictatorship, thats when the issues start. 
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 26, 2018, 09:43:46 PM
they have no choice
they need to keep it from being a hefker velt

Yes but when you really don't have enough coverage and there are people waiting to help its really not right to not let them in because they are not married
When I applied my job at the time would have literally made me available almost the entire day on the outskirts of Flatbush where response times are not great
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 26, 2018, 09:58:29 PM
I got a bridge for sale too.

There are rhymes and reasons, for sure. But The man has a point. There is no reason to be arrogant. One of the people at the top Z"L told us at a meeting..."Hatzolah is not a democracy. Its a dictatorship." And he ran his neighborhood that way and it ran superbly. When you claim to be open and democratic and run it like a dictatorship, thats when the issues start.
Yup.

This article pretty much sums up monsey's issues.

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1327320/op-ed-monsey-outgrown-hatzalah.html
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on April 26, 2018, 10:00:08 PM
Yes but when you really don't have enough coverage and there are people waiting to help its really not right to not let them in because they are not married
When I applied my job at the time would have literally made me available almost the entire day on the outskirts of Flatbush where response times are not great
Sure there are people in the higher ups with blood on their hands.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hocker on March 27, 2019, 05:06:54 PM
Other than the inability to work or volunteer. You can refresh anytime even if expired.
Is that true in NJ too?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on March 27, 2019, 09:56:32 PM
Is that true in NJ too?
prob gives you a chance to go through the refresher as well, not sure though.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: bentch on April 28, 2019, 07:45:39 PM
Any courses starting now that end before camp season?

Checked emegency care and quickest is 3 months. Anything like. 6-8 week course?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: chbochur on April 28, 2019, 09:30:59 PM
Any courses starting now that end before camp season?

Checked emegency care and quickest is 3 months. Anything like. 6-8 week course?
B&H look like they have one starting tomorrow ending June 20th

http://www.bhemt.org/emt-original1.html

Usually you can still get in especially if you can make it by tomorrow

Good luck with it!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: bentch on April 29, 2019, 12:47:45 AM
B&H look like they have one starting tomorrow ending June 20th

http://www.bhemt.org/emt-original1.html

Usually you can still get in especially if you can make it by tomorrow

Good luck with it!

thanks for the info!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 08, 2019, 01:55:09 PM
Purely out of curiosity -

I have heard that Hatzolah liability coverage for members personal vehicles when responding to calls is secondary coverage.  (meaning they"ll pickup whatever the person's primary coverage won't pay).

Doesn't sounds right to me.

Anyone know definitively?

@hvaces42  maybe?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 08, 2019, 02:49:08 PM
Purely out of curiosity -

I have heard that Hatzolah liability coverage for members personal vehicles when responding to calls is secondary coverage.  (meaning they"ll pickup whatever the person's primary coverage won't pay).

Doesn't sounds right to me.

Anyone know definitively?

@hvaces42  maybe?
No idea what their liability policy covers.

Why doesn't it sound right it's your personal vehicle you have to have your own coverage they don't provide coverage.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 12, 2019, 09:35:02 AM
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 12, 2019, 09:55:08 AM
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?
good question. I'll respond in depth as soon as I can in full detail
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: zh cohen on July 12, 2019, 04:32:42 PM
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?

I know in the the Catskills, hatzalah responds to local calls under mutual aid, but I don't know if they request also. My guess is that they do when they know they can't get there faster.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Netster on July 14, 2019, 01:19:28 AM
Any interest in an EMT course in LA?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 15, 2019, 12:11:27 AM
If Hatzalah thinks that 9-1-1 can respond faster to a given call (esp. ones that sound more serious), they should send it over. Is that there formal policy?

My father once needed them in midtown and they told him to call 9-1-1. Is this normal in those cases, or was that an outlier?
formal policy - Generally not. Firstly the 911 system (I'm a 911 volly) is inconsistent at best in most areas, while it doesn't hurt for them to request the "system" most won't do it until they really need to.

Your father's case -

Either they already knew that few members were around (a weekend in the summer perhaps) or more likely they tried and failed to get any units to respond.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 15, 2019, 12:13:34 AM
I know in the the Catskills, hatzalah responds to local calls under mutual aid, but I don't know if they request also. My guess is that they do when they know they can't get there faster.
they go mutual to the system unfortunately quite often (depending on the neighborhood) in Rockland county (Monsey) they never "roll" BLS jobs (EMTs) but request medics from 911 at least once a day. Other neighborhoods I'm not as familiar with, but for example Flatbush the last while has been calling 911 quite often.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: zh cohen on July 15, 2019, 01:27:26 AM
they go mutual to the system unfortunately quite often (depending on the neighborhood) in Rockland county (Monsey) they never "roll" BLS jobs (EMTs) but request medics from 911 at least once a day. Other neighborhoods I'm not as familiar with, but for example Flatbush the last while has been calling 911 quite often.

I responded to one call (as local EMS) where hatzolah was actually first on scene and iirc did transport (there were several patients).
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 16, 2019, 12:41:19 AM
I responded to one call (as local EMS) where hatzolah was actually first on scene and iirc did transport (there were several patients).
Therefore?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 16, 2019, 12:30:18 PM
formal policy - Generally not. Firstly the 911 system (I'm a 911 volly) is inconsistent at best in most areas, while it doesn't hurt for them to request the "system" most won't do it until they really need to.

Your father's case -

Either they already knew that few members were around (a weekend in the summer perhaps) or more likely they tried and failed to get any units to respond.
Formal policy or not, practically speaking in Brighton Beach, Coney Island and neighborhoods not covered by regular members they will call 911 after trying 4 or 5 times to get a first responder or units for a bus. Once the system is activated they will ask for a first responder to go until the system gets there. I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

As far as mutual aid goes in the Catskills they will respond to calls for mutual aid, mainly medic calls, but I have yet to hear them ask for mutual aid other than the chopper. There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic. 
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 16, 2019, 05:10:47 PM
Formal policy or not, practically speaking in Brighton Beach, Coney Island and neighborhoods not covered by regular members they will call 911 after trying 4 or 5 times to get a first responder or units for a bus. Once the system is activated they will ask for a first responder to go until the system gets there. I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

As far as mutual aid goes in the Catskills they will respond to calls for mutual aid, mainly medic calls, but I have yet to hear them ask for mutual aid other than the chopper. There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic.

So patients who care most about response times over other potential benefits of Hatzalah really need to know patterns/areas to determine whether they should call 9-1-1 or Hatzalah. That does not sound like an amazing system.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on July 16, 2019, 05:16:05 PM
I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

The benefit of accepting unmarrieds.
ETA from a 911 call is never under 6 minutes, so regardless hatzolah will be there first.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 16, 2019, 05:27:49 PM
[quote author=hvaces42 link=topic=42812.msg2113964# I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.


The benefit of accepting unmarrieds.
ETA from a 911 call is never under 6 minutes, so regardless hatzolah will be there first.

Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on July 16, 2019, 06:19:43 PM
Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.
With lights and sirens it shouldn't be more than 8 minutes from the furthest parts of the Jewish community.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 16, 2019, 06:22:22 PM
Quote
There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic. [\quote]
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 16, 2019, 08:53:57 PM
The benefit of accepting unmarrieds.
ETA from a 911 call is never under 6 minutes, so regardless hatzolah will be there first.
Thats a falsity.

As is this.
Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 16, 2019, 08:56:51 PM
With lights and sirens it shouldn't be more than 8 minutes from the furthest parts of the Jewish community.
Is that a guess or are you talking from experience? Because i have the experience of having been in ellenville for 7 years and can tell you that the VTL does not allow you to drive recklessly. So no way you're making Ellenville in 8 minutes much less Kerhonkson.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 16, 2019, 08:59:10 PM
Thats a falsity.

As is this.
What part of what I said is false?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on July 16, 2019, 09:40:52 PM
Is that a guess or are you talking from experience? Because i have the experience of having been in ellenville for 7 years and can tell you that the VTL does not allow you to drive recklessly. So no way you're making Ellenville in 8 minutes much less Kerhonkson.
I was quoting the queens part.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 16, 2019, 10:29:52 PM
Formal policy or not, practically speaking in Brighton Beach, Coney Island and neighborhoods not covered by regular members they will call 911 after trying 4 or 5 times to get a first responder or units for a bus. Once the system is activated they will ask for a first responder to go until the system gets there. I have never heard them call 911 for any calls in Queens. Everything is covered in Queens no matter the ETA.

As far as mutual aid goes in the Catskills they will respond to calls for mutual aid, mainly medic calls, but I have yet to hear them ask for mutual aid other than the chopper. There was just a call in Kerhonkson yesterday and they dispatched a medic from Fallsburg, a 40 minute drive without lights and sirens, instead of calling for mutual aid mobile medic.
yup, different neighborhoods, different rules, different coverage.  Though the Q has been rolling some jobs, and having someone respond from 20/30 mins out is basically rolling it:)

40 minutes, that's insane. Mobile medic can respond much quicker (usually) unless they didn't have a medic truck anywhere near (doubtful) or Hatzolah felt medics weren't really needed for the job. Because if mobile medic comes it's a nice big hard bill.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 16, 2019, 10:30:36 PM
Dubious claim that Hatzalah in the worst of situations is better than 9-1-1 in the best of situations. I do think Hatzalah having time cutoffs (ie >15 mins away etc) makes sense.
best option usually is to call both.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 16, 2019, 10:39:33 PM
Is that a guess or are you talking from experience? Because i have the experience of having been in ellenville for 7 years and can tell you that the VTL does not allow you to drive recklessly. So no way you're making Ellenville in 8 minutes much less Kerhonkson.
he was referring to the Queens part. And don't you know that  there's a exception for Hatzolah in the VTL :P

https://youtu.be/BC3JoOV4ALY (https://youtu.be/BC3JoOV4ALY)

Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 17, 2019, 06:58:00 AM
best option usually is to call both.
Out of curiosity, will 9-1--1 bill if hazalah is on scene when thru get there? Irelevent for my point about people who only care about response time but just curious.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 17, 2019, 10:48:58 AM
What part of what I said is false?
Hatzolah being there first. And that Hatzolah has cutoff times for response. I have heard response times of 15-20 minutes to Great Neck regularly.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 17, 2019, 10:51:17 AM
Out of curiosity, will 9-1--1 bill if hazalah is on scene when thru get there? Irelevent for my point about people who only care about response time but just curious.
Hatzolah will bill too  ::)

What does that mean?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 17, 2019, 11:35:50 AM
Hatzolah will bill too  ::)

What does that mean?
If someone is having a serious medical episode, I assume they care more about who gets there first vs. the cost.

Hatzalah charges or was that a joke? The one time I called them (Wahi) they were hesitant to even telle how to make a donation!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on July 17, 2019, 11:50:02 AM
If someone is having a serious medical episode, I assume they care more about who gets there first vs. the cost.

Hatzalah charges or was that a joke? The one time I called them (Wahi) they were hesitant to even telle how to make a donation!
Queens bills now
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 17, 2019, 12:00:40 PM
Queens bills insurance onlynow
FTFY

As do other neighborhoods
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 17, 2019, 12:25:34 PM
FTFY

As do other neighborhoods
Is that allowed? If customers have a copay, dobt they need to pay it?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on July 17, 2019, 01:14:57 PM
Is that allowed? If customers have a copay, dobt they need to pay it?
Insurance and Medicare/Medicaid require that they send a bill. They do not require that it be paid by the patient.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: zh cohen on July 17, 2019, 08:59:24 PM
Queens bills now
If I'm not mistaken, Catskills only bills for transport, not the medic
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 17, 2019, 11:08:23 PM
I'll explain.


Soft bill - company takes with the insurance gives them and forgive the rest. There is no reason for any organization not to be doing this.


Hard bill -regular medical bill, has to be paid in full.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 17, 2019, 11:08:59 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Catskills only bills for transport, not the medic
gets tricky. You may be only able to bill for ALS if a transport was done
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 17, 2019, 11:09:26 PM
gets tricky. You may be only able to bill for ALS if a transport was done
even if eventually released to BLS
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Boruch Parnes on July 18, 2019, 12:36:27 AM
Is that allowed? If customers have a copay, dobt they need to pay it?
Its charged through hospital no copays paitent dosent even know about it   and its all neighborhoods not only queens
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 18, 2019, 01:08:18 AM
Its charged through hospital no copays paitent dosent even know about it   and its all neighborhoods not only queens
Definitely not the way it works up here in Rockland county...

Not sure why it would be charged through the hospitals? But I really don't know. In Ramapo the agencies are contracted by the town who does the billing on their behalf. The town in turn funds the ambulances budgets.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 18, 2019, 01:08:56 AM
Queens bills now
Finally they do, was throwing money in the garbage when they didn't...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 05, 2019, 08:56:11 PM
Can someone please give me the necessary info about what I need to know what it takes to become an EMT?
Where to take the course?
How long does it take?
How much does it cost?
How many hrs of training?
And what else after this?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on August 05, 2019, 09:43:38 PM
Can someone please give me the necessary info about what I need to know what it takes to become an EMT?
Where to take the course?
How long does it take?
How much does it cost?
How many hrs of training?
And what else after this?
Where are you located?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 05, 2019, 10:54:30 PM
Where are you located?
Nyc
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on August 05, 2019, 11:20:35 PM
I took mine 7 yrs ago @ emergecy care programs- Emergencycareny.com

Excellent instructors & I highly recommend them
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Boruch Parnes on August 06, 2019, 12:03:05 AM
Can someone please give me the necessary info about what I need to know what it takes to become an EMT?
Where to take the course? I believe b&h is good
How long does it take?
How much does it cost?
How many hrs of training?
And what else after this?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hvaces42 on August 06, 2019, 07:21:13 AM
Can someone please give me the necessary info about what I need to know what it takes to become an EMT?
Where to take the course? Emergency Care (all over the city) or this guy Benny Fogel gives original Course in Brooklyn
How long does it take? Check Emergency Care website usually takes a few months but they have intensive courses where you can do it in something like six weeks 4 hours a night 5 days a week
How much does it cost? <$1500
How many hrs of training?180
And what else after this?must do 12 hours hospital rotation and pass practical (hands on) and written state exam. License good for 3 years
For NYS
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on August 06, 2019, 08:25:49 AM
For NYS
12hrs hospital is new?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on August 06, 2019, 09:07:19 AM
12hrs hospital is new?
no. Courses require 12-24 hours in a hospital or on am ambulance
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 06, 2019, 10:17:09 AM
What’s the difference of the 180 hrs of training and the 12 hrs of hospital rotation?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yonah on August 06, 2019, 11:22:44 AM
What’s the difference of the 180 hrs of training and the 12 hrs of hospital rotation?

180 hours is classroom training, 12 hours hospital rotation is "proving" that you can apply the skills in the real world.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yonah on August 06, 2019, 11:28:37 AM
Can someone please give me the necessary info about what I need to know what it takes to become an EMT?
Where to take the course?
How long does it take?
How much does it cost?
How many hrs of training?
And what else after this?

This is a link to an EMS course at Phelps hospital near Mt. Kisco - (the info is from last january, but I imagine they're running one in the fall) - https://phelpshospital.org/wp-content/uploads/EMT-Orig-Jan-2019-.pdf

You can also check local hospitals and local community colleges as well to see if they run courses
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: zh cohen on August 06, 2019, 12:39:29 PM
You can also check local hospitals and local community colleges as well to see if they run courses
Training calendar for the Hudson Valley.

http://hvremsco.org/?page_id=5558

If you look at some of the options, you can get an idea of the different options for scheduling.

If you are doing a course that isn't targeted at frum people, you'll have to make sure that they will work with you regarding Shabbos/Yom tov. Most will if they can (within reason).
 
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 06, 2019, 08:49:47 PM
I took mine 7 yrs ago @ emergecy care programs- Emergencycareny.com

Excellent instructors & I highly recommend them
nothing quicker then that? I want to do a really quick course....
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on August 06, 2019, 08:51:54 PM
nothing quicker then that? I want to do a really quick course....
As stated before they have 6 week courses with classes every day, but chances are those all started already, with the start of summer vacation.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on August 08, 2019, 02:46:40 AM
Wow, can't belive I never saw this thread.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 08, 2019, 12:25:59 PM
As stated before they have 6 week courses with classes every day, but chances are those all started already, with the start of summer vacation.
Need a 6 week evening  course. Does that exist?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on August 08, 2019, 12:46:41 PM
Need a 6 week evening  course. Does that exist?
No but if you get 15 ppl together you can do a custom class. There was boot camp class over pesach break.

There is this weekend mens class if that works better.

Why are you in such a rush?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 08, 2019, 05:06:08 PM
No but if you get 15 ppl together you can do a custom class. There was boot camp class over pesach break.

There is this weekend mens class if that works better.

Why are you in such a rush?
these hours work better for me. I did not see this on their websites. Why is the classes so long is it just because that’s the law or there’s actually what to learn for so many hours?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 08, 2019, 05:09:41 PM
No but if you get 15 ppl together you can do a custom class. There was boot camp class over pesach break.

There is this weekend mens class if that works better.

Why are you in such a rush?
how do they start at 8 PM on mt if the Zman is only 757 that week?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on August 08, 2019, 06:06:24 PM
how do they start at 8 PM on mt if the Zman is only 757 that week?
How does a 5 hour driving course take 2 hours?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on August 08, 2019, 07:23:11 PM
these hours work better for me. I did not see this on their websites. Why is the classes so long is it just because that’s the law or there’s actually what to learn for so many hours?
Men's only classes are word of mouth only.
The emt course is the same amount of hours for every class. If you have less classes per week it takes longer to complete.
how do they start at 8 PM on mt if the Zman is only 757 that week?
Obviously the first few weeks you would start asap after shabbos and not at 8pm exactly.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Ekay on August 09, 2019, 02:05:29 AM
How does a 5 hour driving course take 2 hours?
that’s what I am trying to figure out over here is the 180 hour class a reality or is it like the 5 blier driving class?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on August 09, 2019, 02:47:34 AM
that’s what I am trying to figure out over here is the 180 hour class a reality or is it like the 5 blier driving class?
I pretty darn close to reality, the leeway is in how long it take the instructor to deliver the days qouta of lectures. On skill nights expect to use all of that time.

It's by no means a difficult course but it does take a moderate level of dedication.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 13, 2020, 10:49:17 PM
Any EMT courses being offered now?

 Just curios what's the normal price for such a course?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 13, 2020, 10:52:05 PM
Any EMT courses being offered now?

 Just curios what's the normal price for such a course?
$1600 see attached from https://www.emergencycareny.com
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 13, 2020, 10:59:39 PM
Any EMT courses being offered now?
yes they are
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 14, 2020, 12:23:18 AM
$1600 see attached from https://www.emergencycareny.com
Shows $1400? unless it costs $200 for the text book?
 who runs this EMT course?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 12:24:55 AM
Shows $1400? unless it costs $200 for the text book?
 who runs this EMT course?
Jeffrey patow is the owner
If you want to join pm me for more details
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 14, 2020, 12:35:41 AM
Shows $1400? unless it costs $200 for the text book?
 who runs this EMT course?
Highly recommended
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 14, 2020, 12:59:32 AM
Jeffrey patow is the owner
If you want to join pm me for more details
Was looking into a course to take with a few friends of mine as well. Makes it a lot easier to do when doing it with a companion.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 14, 2020, 01:05:36 AM
Highly recommended
You have taken this course in the past?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Luvisrael on April 14, 2020, 01:05:51 AM
Anything for NJ? I know GEM Ambulance had in the past
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 01:08:30 AM
It is a good idea but can also sometimes hinder you. Keep that in mind.
Also if you get 20 ppl together you can do a private class.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 14, 2020, 01:10:39 AM
You have taken this course in the past?
I took it back in August 2012 - January 2013. I'm still in contact with the lead Instructor that gave my class. No gimmicks or shticks. You apply yourself, you'll learn and feel proud! I know guys who took it by a different place and they said it was a joke and they know nothing!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 14, 2020, 01:13:11 AM
It is a good idea but can also sometimes hinder you. Keep that in mind.
Also if you get 20 ppl together you can do a private class.
Yeh dont think 20 is gonna happen. But you never know in these times that we're in.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 14, 2020, 01:13:12 AM


It is a good idea but can also sometimes hinder you.

That reminds me when I took my course from the guys who came as group only one survived!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 14, 2020, 01:13:52 AM
I took it back in August 2012 - January 2013. I'm still in contact with the lead Instructor that gave my class. No gimmicks or shticks. You apply yourself, you'll learn and feel proud! I know guys who took it by a different place and they said it was a joke and they know nothing!
Ok that's good to know. That's for that DP.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 01:16:10 AM
I took it back in August 2012 - January 2013. I'm still in contact with the lead Instructor that gave my class. No gimmicks or shticks. You apply yourself, you'll learn and feel proud! I know guys who took it by a different place and they said it was a joke and they know nothing!
who was your CIC?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 14, 2020, 01:17:18 AM
Todd
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 01:18:12 AM
Todd
he was mine as well back in the day
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 01:56:43 AM
I teach there so I am a bit biased, but I think we have a really good program.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: 12HRS on April 14, 2020, 11:09:25 AM
I teach there so I am a bit biased, but I think we have a really good program.

I just finished. I agree. Just need to take my state exam
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: hocker on April 14, 2020, 11:11:46 AM
I just finished. I agree. Just need to take my state exam
Hatzlacha!

לא ניתנו שבתות וימים טובים לישראל אלא לעבור מבחנים!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 11:20:49 AM
I just finished. I agree. Just need to take my state exam
good luck, did they give you a date yet?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 14, 2020, 11:22:08 AM
I just finished. I agree. Just need to take my state exam
Hatzlocha Rabbah! Take a deap breath and stay focused & you'll do good!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: 12HRS on April 14, 2020, 12:14:54 PM
good luck, did they give you a date yet?

was canceled due to CV. We need to take it at an online testing center now but they also are running super weird hours. Most of my group managed to get it done the last 2 weeks but I am out of state for a while so not sure when I am taking it just yet.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Luvisrael on April 14, 2020, 12:18:37 PM
Anything for NJ? I know GEM Ambulance had in the past
anyone?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 12:57:43 PM
was canceled due to CV. We need to take it at an online testing center now but they also are running super weird hours. Most of my group managed to get it done the last 2 weeks but I am out of state for a while so not sure when I am taking it just yet.
It's nice cuz you get your results right away. Hatzlacha!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 14, 2020, 01:18:30 PM
was canceled due to CV. We need to take it at an online testing center now but they also are running super weird hours. Most of my group managed to get it done the last 2 weeks but I am out of state for a while so not sure when I am taking it just yet.
Who's your CIC?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 01:47:13 PM
It's nice cuz you get your results right away. Hatzlacha!
but they changed the rules recently that you can't practice till you get your card
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 01:53:10 PM
but they changed the rules recently that you can't practice till you get your card
That was with the old onsite, if I'm not mistaken they changed it back with the new online system. Either have or will not sure.

But either way just knowing right away is the best thing.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: 12HRS on April 14, 2020, 02:56:38 PM
Who's your CIC?

I actually don't know what that stands for but assuming you mean who lead the course it was Joe.

That was with the old onsite, if I'm not mistaken they changed it back with the new online system.

I think this is correct

Doesn't help as hatzolah isn't having observers at this point I believe.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 03:36:22 PM
I actually don't know what that stands for but assuming you mean who lead the course it was Joe.

I think this is correct

Doesn't help as hatzolah isn't having observers at this point I believe.
Joe is awesome.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 03:37:19 PM
That was with the old onsite, if I'm not mistaken they changed it back with the new online system. Either have or will not sure.

But either way just knowing right away is the best thing.
I'll find out if this is true
But I definitely agree knowing right away is the best.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 04:23:41 PM
I'll find out if this is true
But I definitely agree knowing right away is the best.
I recert through CME these days so it moot. worth every minute not to have to take the state over again every 3 years.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Netster on April 14, 2020, 04:58:53 PM
Any online EMT Courses being given?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 05:07:35 PM
Any online EMT Courses being given?
Currently ECP's classes on being done online but I am sure soon that will change. You can reach out to their office to see if they plan on making one.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on April 14, 2020, 05:18:14 PM
Currently ECP's classes on being done online but I am sure soon that will change. You can reach out to their office to see if they plan on making one.
If I knew the one starting sunday would be online for the whole course I wouldn't hesitate to sign up.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 05:29:16 PM
If I knew the one starting sunday would be online for the whole course I wouldn't hesitate to sign up.
no class can be totally online since skills have to be done in person
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 05:30:13 PM
no class can be totally online since skills have to be done in person
Right, but I spoke to Joe and as of now all Lectures are online which means you would only need to come in for Skills classes.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 14, 2020, 05:37:54 PM
Right, but I spoke to Joe and as of now all Lectures are online which means you would only need to come in for Skills classes.
which I'm sure will be smaller.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 05:39:18 PM
which I'm sure will be smaller.
When this first started it was capped at 10 I think. But I am not sure whats been going on, haven't picked up a shift there since all this began.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 14, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
I teach there so I am a bit biased, but I think we have a really good program.

Is Fred still there? I had Ovadia but Fred filled in a few times.
Moishe was learning to be a CIC on my class, I believe he is now giving classes.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 14, 2020, 06:59:15 PM
Is Fred still there? I had Ovadia but Fred filled in a few times.
Moishe was learning to be a CIC on my class, I believe he is now giving classes.
Fred is no longer there and neither is ovadia, Moishe is now an IC.
Fred was my instructor, GREAT guy.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 16, 2020, 09:55:05 PM
Fred is no longer there and neither is ovadia, Moishe is now an IC.
Fred was my instructor, GREAT guy.
alot has changed, Karen is a cic also.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: treehugger on April 16, 2020, 11:56:45 PM
Anyone ever use this place? i've been searching forever for a self paced online program where you dont have to fly half way across the country to do a skills week. this place does the skills portion via webcam in 2 hour increments. the only drawback is its 3k... Anyone know of a scholarships or any other ideas?

https://www.emtfiretraining.com/emt-b-course.php
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 18, 2020, 09:11:07 PM
Anyone ever use this place? i've been searching forever for a self paced online program where you dont have to fly half way across the country to do a skills week. this place does the skills portion via webcam in 2 hour increments. the only drawback is its 3k... Anyone know of a scholarships or any other ideas?

https://www.emtfiretraining.com/emt-b-course.php
it sounds very hard personally I wouldn't advise it.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 18, 2020, 09:21:19 PM
Anyone ever use this place? i've been searching forever for a self paced online program where you dont have to fly half way across the country to do a skills week. this place does the skills portion via webcam in 2 hour increments. the only drawback is its 3k... Anyone know of a scholarships or any other ideas?

https://www.emtfiretraining.com/emt-b-course.php
Where are you located that you cannot get an in person class?

NREMT is not accepted in all states and you will still need state certification to practice anywhere. Some will grant you reciprocity based on NREMT certification and some will require you to take a test based on their state standards.

If you have done online classes and feel like it is something you can commit to and learn from. Then that takes care of the didactic portion. For the skills side, even with them sending you all the equipment. I wonder how well you will be able to learn and be proficient in them all on your own. You can watch youtube videos from today till next year, but there is nothing like seeing/feeling it in person.

All that being said, it could work for you and depending what you plan on doing with the cert could pay off. I made back the money I paid for EMT and Medic school in spades in the first year after school alone.

If you need help throughout the course feel free to reach out.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: treehugger on April 18, 2020, 11:28:15 PM
Thanks for the feedback! I 100% agree that doing skills in person is way better than online but doing a full course in a classroom just doesn’t fit with my schedule. I tried organizing doing the didactic portion online and doing a one-week skills week with a group of 10 people but ended up being too costly. Next, I tried looking for an organization that offered doing the skills week in either New Jersey or New York which I couldn’t find any. So now I’m left with a “group” of 3.
For the record I’m based in lakewood
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 18, 2020, 11:43:58 PM
Thanks for the feedback! I 100% agree that doing skills in person is way better than online but doing a full course in a classroom just doesn’t fit with my schedule. I tried organizing doing the didactic portion online and doing a one-week skills week with a group of 10 people but ended up being too costly. Next, I tried looking for an organization that offered doing the skills week in either New Jersey or New York which I couldn’t find any. So now I’m left with a “group” of 3.
For the record I’m based in lakewood
well then now is the time most courses didactic are online and skills are in person.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: treehugger on April 18, 2020, 11:53:04 PM
Right but mostly instructor led classes online while I’m looking for self-paced online learning
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 18, 2020, 11:57:47 PM
Skills can't be done in a week, they count towards the overall class hours. And you are required to have a certain number of hours total to meet state requirements.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 19, 2020, 12:35:34 AM
Skills can't be done in a week, they count towards the overall class hours. And you are required to have a certain number of hours total to meet state requirements.
it all depends on how many hours a day you spend doing the skills
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 20, 2020, 06:11:25 PM
BTW is there a post or wiki with a link to all discounts for first responders/healthcare?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehudaa on April 20, 2020, 06:23:35 PM
BTW is there a post or wiki with a link to all discounts for first responders/healthcare?

This is a partial list:

https://www.doctorofcredit.com/list-of-freebies-for-healthcare-workers/
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 21, 2020, 12:27:24 AM
Anywhere in NY I can take the refresher course completely online due to the Covid-19?
How are they administering the state exams now?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 21, 2020, 12:47:19 AM
Anywhere in NY I can take the refresher course completely online due to the Covid-19?
How are they administering the state exams now?
Skills will always be in person. The rest is online these days.

As for tests NYS moved to a computer based testing administered by a private company. You schedule an exam with them and pay a fee.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 21, 2020, 09:58:07 AM
Skills will always be in person. The rest is online these days.

As for tests NYS moved to a computer based testing administered by a private company. You schedule an exam with them and pay a fee.
Is the online scheduled zoom meetings or you can do it at your own convenience?
How many in person skills classes are needed to renew?

Do you know if the NYS test is easier or harder than the original? Is the amount of time the same?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 21, 2020, 10:11:24 AM
Is the online scheduled zoom meetings or you can do it at your own convenience?
How many in person skills classes are needed to renew?

Do you know if the NYS test is easier or harder than the original? Is the amount of time the same?
during a refresher it really depends on you, in the beginning you challenge out the skills if you do well it's less classes. As for the exam is the same exam.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 22, 2020, 12:06:17 AM
during a refresher it really depends on you, in the beginning you challenge out the skills if you do well it's less classes. As for the exam is the same exam.
Minimum amount of skill classes needed if you do well on the challenge?

What about this?

Is the online scheduled zoom meetings or you can do it at your own convenience?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 22, 2020, 12:08:20 AM
Minimum amount of skill classes needed if you do well on the challenge?

What about this?
Think state exam
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 22, 2020, 01:08:41 AM
Is the online scheduled zoom meetings or you can do it at your own convenience?
How many in person skills classes are needed to renew?

Do you know if the NYS test is easier or harder than the original? Is the amount of time the same?
In case you never did a refresher before. A challa GE refresher is where you take. Test, written and skills. If you pass it all you will have a cpr night and one lecture night and then take your state. Wtvr parts you fail you will need to do a homework or in the case of skills learn it and pass it again.

State should be the same.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 28, 2020, 10:42:37 PM
Is the EMT course legit 150 hours or that's just on paper?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 28, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
Is the EMT course legit 150 hours or that's just on paper?
Lecture nights usually end early, so not 100% of the hours...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 28, 2020, 10:58:35 PM
Lecture nights usually end early, so not 100% of the hours...
So you say i should go for the night classes? And which instructor would you recommend?

1.  EMT Course #5026
Instructor:             Eli Davis
Location:               50 Sheffield Ave., Brooklyn, NY
Dates:                    05/11/2020-06/24/2020 (last day of class)
Day/Time:             Monday, Wednesday & 3 Tuesday’s 9:00AM – 5:30PM

2.  EMT Course #5052
Instructor:             Moshe Hainic
Location:               6715 Bay Parkway, Brooklyn, NY
Dates:                    05/17/2020-06/30/2020 (last day of class)
Day/Time:             Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday & 2 Monday’s   5:30PM – 11:30PM
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 28, 2020, 11:12:17 PM
So you say i should go for the night classes? And which instructor would you recommend?

1.  EMT Course #5026
Instructor:             Eli Davis
Location:               50 Sheffield Ave., Brooklyn, NY
Dates:                    05/11/2020-06/24/2020 (last day of class)
Day/Time:             Monday, Wednesday & 3 Tuesday’s 9:00AM – 5:30PM

2.  EMT Course #5052
Instructor:             Moshe Hainic
Location:               6715 Bay Parkway, Brooklyn, NY
Dates:                    05/17/2020-06/30/2020 (last day of class)
Day/Time:             Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday & 2 Monday’s   5:30PM – 11:30PM
Both good choices, but I'd go with Eli. He's been teaching for much longer.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 28, 2020, 11:25:03 PM
Both good choices, but I'd go with Eli. He's been teaching for much longer.
The hours are quite long, but don't think i can kill 3 nights a week, two is a lot as is, so i guess that's what i'll do if i decide to go ahead with it.
Thanks
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 28, 2020, 11:25:54 PM
The hours are quite long, but don't think i can kill 3 nights a week, two is a lot as is, so i guess that's what i'll do if i decide to go ahead with it.
Thanks
If you sign up let me know.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 28, 2020, 11:26:03 PM
So you say i should go for the night classes? And which instructor would you recommend?

1.  EMT Course #5026
Instructor:             Eli Davis
Location:               50 Sheffield Ave., Brooklyn, NY
Dates:                    05/11/2020-06/24/2020 (last day of class)
Day/Time:             Monday, Wednesday & 3 Tuesday’s 9:00AM – 5:30PM

2.  EMT Course #5052
Instructor:             Moshe Hainic
Location:               6715 Bay Parkway, Brooklyn, NY
Dates:                    05/17/2020-06/30/2020 (last day of class)
Day/Time:             Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday & 2 Monday’s   5:30PM – 11:30PM

Moshe is great!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 28, 2020, 11:29:41 PM
If you sign up let me know.
Sure will, you still working there these days?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 28, 2020, 11:30:58 PM
Moshe is great!
Just be careful on what and how you say things. He can be very opinionated.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 28, 2020, 11:31:20 PM
Sure will, you still working there these days?
A lot less frequently due to the pay and hours but I make an effort when need to.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on April 29, 2020, 12:32:03 AM
Just be careful on what and how you say things. He can be very opinionated.
lol just like every other Jew I know  :P
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on April 29, 2020, 01:06:54 AM
Just be careful on what and how you say things. He can be very opinionated.
lol just like every other Jew I know 
Well be careful of any medic we are an opinionated bunch. But moishe is a good educator and very knowledgeable.

If you want to check out Eli PM me I'll send you his YouTube videos of the EMT class.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: mclovin on April 29, 2020, 02:43:54 PM
hainic is amazing. didnt have the other guy.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: mclovin on April 29, 2020, 05:07:40 PM
So you say i should go for the night classes? And which instructor would you recommend?

i think there was a miscommunication here. he didnt mean that night classes are shorter than day classes. just that lectures dont usually need the full scheduled time
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 29, 2020, 05:11:44 PM
i think there was a miscommunication here. he didnt mean that night classes are shorter than day classes. just that lectures dont usually need the full scheduled time
Yup, Understood that 1130 class is over , many times 11 or that area he would end.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on April 29, 2020, 06:02:35 PM
What's the "parade" on Ocean Ave?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on April 30, 2020, 09:05:18 AM
What's the "parade" on Ocean Ave?
Salute to Hatzala for their amazing work!
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on April 30, 2020, 09:09:48 AM
Both good choices, but I'd go with Eli. He's been teaching for much longer.
he might have been teaching longer but Moshe is more involved with the students, both are great though but that's my opinion.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 13, 2020, 04:55:11 AM
  Wonder how many were incouraged to take an EMT course after this 24 hatzalah Thon? They did an amazing Job! And they do an amazing job! @14.5M Well done!

(https://i.ibb.co/TWBz8Ww/IMG-20200507-WA0006.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WVWSyVH)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on May 13, 2020, 06:25:07 AM
  Wonder how many were incouraged to take an EMT course after this 24 hatzalah Thon? They did an amazing Job! And they do an amazing job! @14.5M Well done!

(https://i.ibb.co/TWBz8Ww/IMG-20200507-WA0006.jpg) (https://ibb.co/WVWSyVH)
It's not about being an EMT it's about being an Active EMT! I've been- Unsuccessfully- trying for years to get involved in this Amazing Organization Called Hatzolah so I can Give Back to the Community and Help People out which is My Passion/Calling.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 06:27:11 AM
It's not about being an EMT it's about being an Active EMT! I've been- Unsuccessfully- trying for years to get involved in this Amazing Organization Called Hatzolah so I can Give Back to the Community and Help People out which is My Passion/Calling.
Exactly.

Don't do the class if you have grand ideas of joining. Send your $1600 in to Hatzala instead. If you have other "use" for it, go for it! And after if you get in good, if not, good.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on May 13, 2020, 06:34:13 AM
Exactly.

Don't do the class if you have grand ideas of joining. Send your $1600 in to Hatzala instead. If you have other "use" for it, go for it! And after if you get in good, if not, good.
The last "good" doesn't work for me because it kills me that I don't have the ability to help. This is been my passion before it became a "thing" to join.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 06:35:36 AM
The last "good" doesn't work for me because it kills me that I don't have the ability to help. This is been my passion before it became a "thing" to join.
Your preaching to the choir.
PM me I don't think we should continue in public.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 13, 2020, 09:44:15 AM
The last "good" doesn't work for me because it kills me that I don't have the ability to help. This is been my passion before it became a "thing" to join.

Exactly!!!
I've wanted to join since I was a little kid hearing all the stories from my dad and how much he loved helping people.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
Exactly!!!
I've wanted to join since I was a little kid hearing all the stories from my dad and how much he loved helping people.
If your a dynasty you should have an easier time getting in.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 13, 2020, 12:16:51 PM
Exactly.

Don't do the class if you have grand ideas of joining. Send your $1600 in to Hatzala instead. If you have other "use" for it, go for it! And after if you get in good, if not, good.
Main reason I would take the EMT course would be for my own sake, kwowing the basics which is an amazing thing to know, and who knows where it will come to use one day.
  Always had the want to know all the basic medical stuff, so starting with a basic EMT course for me is a win win.
 
  All I was saying that I wonder how many people would want to take an EMT course due to what they saw, being that someone in the medical field can accomplish and help out others his whole life, as well it's importance if God forbid needed, and your the only one around.

 For all I know I would take it a step further and become a paramedic or even a PA..
 You got to start somewhere..
   
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 13, 2020, 12:18:01 PM
If your a dynasty you should have an easier time getting in.
just curious if someone who trained to become a paramedic or a PA or even a doctor does he have a better chance of joining Hatzalah?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 13, 2020, 12:26:58 PM
If your a dynasty you should have an easier time getting in.

1. I'm not married
2. My father was a very early member and passed away years ago so most of his friends probably aren't active anymore and I don't really know too many of them (the ones I asked said I have no shot and didn't even try), also due to politics my father wasn't part of hatzolah since the early 2000s
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 12:40:18 PM
You would think yes, but unfortunately no.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 12:40:35 PM
1. I'm not married
2. My father was a very early member and passed away years ago so most of his friends probably aren't active anymore and I don't really know too many of them (the ones I asked said I have no shot and didn't even try), also due to politics my father wasn't part of hatzolah since the early 2000s
Understood
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 13, 2020, 01:18:40 PM
You would think yes, but unfortunately no.
so it's all basically pull and connection to get on?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on May 13, 2020, 01:27:14 PM
so it's all basically pull and connection to get on?
Unfortunately in many cases, yes.
just curious if someone who trained to become a paramedic or a PA or even a doctor does he have a better chance of joining Hatzalah?
If you're a paramedic you'd have a much easier time getting on.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 13, 2020, 01:34:06 PM
so it's all basically pull and connection to get on?

Not necessarily I know someone who said he had no connections and got on just by applying.
I also think it may be easier to get on if you live on the outskirts of the neighborhood (Flatbush)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
Unfortunately in many cases, yes.If you're a paramedic you'd have a much easier time getting on.
Not sure what your basing the last statement on. I know many paramedics who have yet to hear back after applying.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 13, 2020, 02:56:12 PM
Not sure what your basing the last statement on. I know many paramedics who have yet to hear back after applying.
Curious which neighborhood are you referring to?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 03:56:13 PM
Curious which neighborhood are you referring to?
Actually I know in every neighborhood in Brooklyn and queens.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 13, 2020, 03:57:45 PM
Actually I know in every neighborhood in Brooklyn and queens.
I heard it's much easier to get into Canarsie
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 13, 2020, 05:20:21 PM
I heard it's much easier to get into Canarsie
Yes it is the easiest of them all.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Tzfas on May 13, 2020, 08:24:22 PM
 Catskills is pretty easy as well.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on May 13, 2020, 08:44:15 PM
Catskills is pretty easy as well.
Only if your there the whole year or weekdays of the summer
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: grodnoking on May 13, 2020, 09:09:38 PM
Actually I know in every neighborhood in Brooklyn and queens.
Easy to get accepted in queens, and even easier if your a paramedic.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 14, 2020, 02:49:17 AM
Easy to get accepted in queens, and even easier if your a paramedic.
I think I'm moving to queens! ;)
   If it's quite hard getting  onto Hatzalah, what about a previous member from another location?
 For example a Lakewood member who moved to Flatbush or vice versa? Assuming that would help? Or a member from queens to Flatbush?
  If you're doing that move just to join the location you want then you gotta be pretty desperate.
   
  Curios does Hatzalah allow a Lakewood member to get a number in the Flatbush as well if he comes or works in Flatbush or Manhattan during the week?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: zh cohen on May 14, 2020, 03:55:17 AM
I know many paramedics who have yet to hear back after applying.

Married?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 14, 2020, 06:22:50 AM
Married?
Yes married, after Shana Reshoina and all.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 09:58:45 AM
How does a 5 hour driving course take 2 hours?
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 10:03:53 AM
but they changed the rules recently that you can't practice till you get your card
so dumb. The Corp/company anyhow has to verify you with the DOH so they see (as soon as it's in the system) if you are licensed or not
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 10:04:38 AM
I recert through CME these days so it moot. worth every minute not to have to take the state over again every 3 years.
agreed, and the fact that I can do my CMEs online:)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 10:13:55 AM
so it's all basically pull and connection to get on?
Yes. Unless you live really far out where they have no coverage, or one of the easier neighborhoods in the city (canarsie, SI if old enough, ES/WS) and being a medic doesn't necessarily help, Hatzolah needs nobody ::)  except your money.... That they"ll always gladly take. 
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 14, 2020, 10:41:03 AM
Yes. Unless you live really far out where they have no coverage, or one of the easier neighborhoods in the city (canarsie, SI if old enough, ES/WS) and being a medic doesn't necessarily help, Hatzolah needs nobody ::)  except your money.... That they"ll always gladly take.
Well said
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 14, 2020, 10:50:32 AM
agreed, and the fact that I can do my CMEs online:)
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can only do CMEs if you are part of an organization.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 10:51:06 AM
Correct me if I'm wrong but you can only do CMEs if you are part of an organization.
that's correct.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ExGingi on May 14, 2020, 11:09:06 AM
1. I'm not married

The two possible solutions are:

1. Find a shidduch and get married.
2. Become a Paramedic. (IINM Hatzolah can use more paramedics, and will accept unmarried paramedics).
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 14, 2020, 11:16:12 AM
The two possible solutions are:

1. Find a shidduch and get married.
2. Become a Paramedic. (IINM Hatzolah can use more paramedics, and will accept unmarried paramedics).

1. You are only about the 101st person to tell me that. Easier said than done!!!
2. Not according to comments above thread
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 11:33:30 AM
1. You are only about the 101st person to tell me that. Easier said than done!!!
2. Not according to comments above thread
Shmulie.

I know where you are coming from (a good place i'm sure) and I know what you are thinking and where you want to go. I'd rather not air out that much dirty laundry on here, so we can take it to Pm and you can call me if you have any further questions. However I''ll lay out some info here for everyone. I''ll try to keep it pareve, because i'd rather not bash them in public.

Hatzolah in many neighborhoods has become and exclusive club, you can't get in unless you are very connected to someone, or come with a lot of money, or if you are in an area that they are really really struggling.

Also they are mostly run like personal fiefdoms therefore what may seem logical and simple just doesn't happen. For example, I know many medics that are/were current members of various hatzolahs that they refused to let them ride as medics (they had to ride as emt's) simply because that's what the person in charge wanted. Only after much fighting, rabbonim etc did they get bumped up.

With that said - I would not change your life radically (e.g. move neighborhoods/take a paramedic course instead of yeshiva/etc) IN THE HOPES that you one day may be able to join hatzolah, many have gotten burned, and as overall their stance is they simply don't need you etc you most likely will be burned out and frustrated.

Chesed can be done in many other organizations that desperately need your help. I know (been an EMT for a few years now) that rolling to jobs and doing chesed at the same time is super awesome, but don't base your life around an organization that's stance is that they don't need you, and you"ll spend years trying to prove otherwise. 
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 11:35:37 AM
Shmulie.

I know where you are coming from (a good place i'm sure) and I know what you are thinking and where you want to go. I'd rather not air out that much dirty laundry on here, so we can take it to Pm and you can call me if you have any further questions. However I''ll lay out some info here for everyone. I''ll try to keep it pareve, because i'd rather not bash them in public.

Hatzolah in many neighborhoods has become and exclusive club, you can't get in unless you are very connected to someone, or come with a lot of money, or if you are in an area that they are really really struggling.

Also they are mostly run like personal fiefdoms therefore what may seem logical and simple just doesn't happen. For example, I know many medics that are/were current members of various hatzolahs that they refused to let them ride as medics (they had to ride as emt's) simply because that's what the person in charge wanted. Only after much fighting, rabbonim etc did they get bumped up.

With that said - I would not change your life radically (e.g. move neighborhoods/take a paramedic course instead of yeshiva/etc) IN THE HOPES that you one day may be able to join hatzolah, many have gotten burned, and as overall their stance is they simply don't need you etc you most likely will be burned out and frustrated.

Chesed can be done in many other organizations that desperately need your help. I know (been an EMT for a few years now) that rolling to jobs and doing chesed at the same time is super awesome, but don't base your life around an organization that's stance is that they don't need you, and you"ll spend years trying to prove otherwise.
One thing I forgot to mention is, this is not judgment at all on the hundreds of wonderful members that drop everything and give untold hours to save lives, simply an overall state of the originazation and the people on top.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ElectricCPR on May 14, 2020, 11:35:48 AM
1. You are only about the 101st person to tell me that. Easier said than done!!!
2. Not according to comments above thread
Maybe we should start a Shidduchim Thread
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehudaa on May 14, 2020, 11:45:57 AM
Maybe we should start a Shidduchim Thread
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=2619.350
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 14, 2020, 11:54:57 AM
The two possible solutions are:

1. Find a shidduch and get married.
2. Become a Paramedic. (IINM Hatzolah can use more paramedics, and will accept unmarried paramedics).
As mentioned, neither are a guaranteed to help...

I am personally a medic for 12 years now, married for 10 and have yet to hear back on my application.

Oh and I lived in a part of the neighborhood with only 1 member....

Just saying.....
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 11:58:21 AM
As mentioned, neither are a guaranteed to help...

I am personally a medic for 12 years now, married for 10 and have yet to hear back on my application.

Oh and I lived in a part of the neighborhood with only 1 member....

Just saying.....
Exactly my point... It's very frustrating and sad when the mission isn't to save lives rather to give those at the top power and control. 

For anyone that want's further reading take a look at this older article about monsey hatzolah (although since that negative publicity they"ve made some steps towards improving some of the issues after that backlash. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1327320/op-ed-monsey-outgrown-hatzalah.html
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 14, 2020, 01:10:11 PM
Exactly my point... It's very frustrating and sad when the mission isn't to save lives rather to give those at the top power and control. 

For anyone that want's further reading take a look at this older article about monsey hatzolah (although since that negative publicity they"ve made some steps towards improving some of the issues after that backlash. https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1327320/op-ed-monsey-outgrown-hatzalah.html

If only that article had more effect (on all branches)
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 03:21:37 PM
If only that article had more effect (on all branches)
Yup. Didn't do a ton in monsey, but baby steps. Read through the comments in that article, sadly most of it is true (I know firsthand).
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 14, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Shmulie.

I know where you are coming from (a good place i'm sure) and I know what you are thinking and where you want to go. I'd rather not air out that much dirty laundry on here, so we can take it to Pm and you can call me if you have any further questions. However I''ll lay out some info here for everyone. I''ll try to keep it pareve, because i'd rather not bash them in public.

Hatzolah in many neighborhoods has become and exclusive club, you can't get in unless you are very connected to someone, or come with a lot of money, or if you are in an area that they are really really struggling.

Also they are mostly run like personal fiefdoms therefore what may seem logical and simple just doesn't happen. For example, I know many medics that are/were current members of various hatzolahs that they refused to let them ride as medics (they had to ride as emt's) simply because that's what the person in charge wanted. Only after much fighting, rabbonim etc did they get bumped up.

With that said - I would not change your life radically (e.g. move neighborhoods/take a paramedic course instead of yeshiva/etc) IN THE HOPES that you one day may be able to join hatzolah, many have gotten burned, and as overall their stance is they simply don't need you etc you most likely will be burned out and frustrated.

Chesed can be done in many other organizations that desperately need your help. I know (been an EMT for a few years now) that rolling to jobs and doing chesed at the same time is super awesome, but don't base your life around an organization that's stance is that they don't need you, and you"ll spend years trying to prove otherwise.
Well said I must say, but what I don't get, why wouldn't Hatzalah have as many members or at least a bit more than 250 throughout Flatbush for example?
  Take Israel for example they have over 6k members on ichud Hatzalah.

    What's the problem with having an overflow of members and put less stress on other members by them knowing there's only 3 members in this neighborhood, now they can have 6 or whatever?

 As well, I thought they started to charge insurance for calls ? Or was that only if you had insurance?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 03:39:48 PM
Well said I must say, but what I don't get, why wouldn't Hatzalah have as many members or at least a bit more than 250 throughout Flatbush for example?
  Take Israel for example they have over 6k members on ichud Hatzalah.

    What's the problem with having an overflow of members and put less stress on other members by them knowing there's only 3 members in this neighborhood, now they can have 6 or whatever?

 As well, I thought they started to charge insurance for calls ? Or was that only if you had insurance?
Members (as in the total amount of them) doesn't mean much, it's active members that count (flatbush especially)

Too many members -  I'm with you. Though of course that doesn't literally mean that everyone single EMT should have a radio, it definitely IMO should be tilted that way more than the current exclusivity. Would also help shoulder the burden off the very active members & nights and shabbos.

Insurance - Most neighborhoods softbill now I belive, as they should. No use in throwing away free money. I laughed when one coordinator went to the news and publicly resigned because he said if they start billing then it"ll corrupt hatzolah. As if lol.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 14, 2020, 03:50:48 PM
Members (as in the total amount of them) doesn't mean much, it's active members that count (flatbush especially)

Too many members -  I'm with you. Though of course that doesn't literally mean that everyone single EMT should have a radio, it definitely IMO should be tilted that way more than the current exclusivity. Would also help shoulder the burden off the very active members & nights and shabbos.

Insurance - Most neighborhoods softbill now I belive, as they should. No use in throwing away free money. I laughed when one coordinator went to the news and publicly resigned because he said if they start billing then it"ll corrupt hatzolah. As if lol.
I hear ya.
 Well I guess that explains why Shomrim has a branch off or for those who couldn't get in called shmirah.
 And then same for chaverim called chavivim in B.P.

 Interesting that they didn't branch off with a new Hatzalah organization?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 04:04:13 PM
I hear ya.
 Well I guess that explains why Shomrim has a branch off or for those who could get in called shmirah.
 And then same for chaverim called chavivim in B.P.

 Interesting that they didn't branch off with a new Hatzalah organization?
So that's a good point. I'm sure hatzolah would have branched off except there is 2 main reasons why not.

1) Every agency needs a CON (certificate of need) to operate. In short they arn't really given out, and you need to prove to the state/regional EMS board why whatever ambulance service you are proving there is is a prevailing need for it that currently is not being met in that area. So, to get a license to operate would be very difficult. This is why ezras noshim does not have an actual ambulance, they were turned down for their CON.

2) Money. Ambulances and their upkeep aint cheap, to run around with a few walki talkies and vests is significantly cheaper.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 14, 2020, 04:18:33 PM
I hear ya.
 Well I guess that explains why Shomrim has a branch off or for those who could get in called shmirah.
 And then same for chaverim called chavivim in B.P.

 Interesting that they didn't branch off with a new Hatzalah organization?

I didn't know Chaveirim had the same issues. I never even heard of Chavivim
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 04:23:03 PM
I didn't know Chaveirim had the same issues. I never even heard of Chavivim
Same, never heard of them. I know chaverim in some areas will only take married people, that argument does have two sides to the story though. Ish.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 14, 2020, 05:17:40 PM
I didn't know Chaveirim had the same issues. I never even heard of Chavivim
Same, never heard of them. I know chaverim in some areas will only take married people, that argument does have two sides to the story though. Ish.
https://www.instagram.com/chavivimny/

https://mobile.twitter.com/chavivimny?lang=en
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 14, 2020, 06:43:45 PM
https://www.instagram.com/chavivimny/

https://mobile.twitter.com/chavivimny?lang=en
Last 2/4 times I called chaverim in monsey they couldn't come for a simple boost... Time to take on single guys perhaps.... I wonder if this chavivim place takes single guys.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: 12HRS on May 14, 2020, 09:18:29 PM
As mentioned, neither are a guaranteed to help...

I am personally a medic for 12 years now, married for 10 and have yet to hear back on my application.

Oh and I lived in a part of the neighborhood with only 1 member....

Just saying.....

have you reapplied?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 14, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
have you reapplied?
Unfortunately, more times than I'd like to admit. Usually when moving to another part of the neighborhood or when day hours opened up.

I actually did get a call once and was told to schedule a meeting. After 8 months of running after them I decided a little self respect I had to have and I stopped trying.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 14, 2020, 10:49:15 PM
Unfortunately, more times than I'd like to admit. Usually when moving to another part of the neighborhood or when day hours opened up.

I actually did get a call once and was told to schedule a meeting. After 8 months of running after them I decided a little self respect I had to have and I stopped trying.

Oh man if that happened to me and I was told to setup a meeting and then wasn't abel to I would be so upset.

I was just never answered and when I followed up multiple times someone in the office finally had the heart to basically tell me it wasn't happening since I wasn't married.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 14, 2020, 10:51:09 PM
Oh man if that happened to me and I was told to setup a meeting and then wasn't abel to I would be so upset.

I was just never answered and when I followed up multiple times someone in the office finally had the heart to basically tell me it wasn't happening since I wasn't married.
I'm definitely jaded by it but I don't believe in public bashing. Put the crap aside the mission is good and important.

Edit: as a matter of fact I have told almost nobody about this and it's the first time I posted "publicly" about it. I guess I feel some level of anonymity here.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 14, 2020, 11:00:42 PM
I'm definitely jaded by it but I don't believe in public bashing. Put the crap aside the mission is good and important.

Absolutely I still think its an amazing organization that helps so many people and I still hope to join someday.
I just wish that "someday" was years ago...  :'(
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 15, 2020, 01:02:56 AM
Last 2/4 times I called chaverim in monsey they couldn't come for a simple boost... Time to take on single guys perhaps.... I wonder if this chavivim place takes single guys.
Yup many single guys are on there. Which in a way is more practical, having a married guy with his wife and kids coming to unlock or boost your car is a joke, meaning that's kind of funny, oh I got to leave for a minute , someone got a flat.

 While a bocher or a working single guy is so much more efficient having as a member, can come whenever and wherever.

 Then again a married guy is more responsible, and for an organization like Hatzalah they need that qualification.
   But again you could make the same statement with a single guy making it far easier to respond to a call vs a married guy having to leave his kids in shul on Shabbos morning to arrive back in shul for the Kiddush? Or during the shabbos sueda.  A single guy would make a lot better of a member in that aspect. But I don't think I'm ganna get anywhere with this.. this is the way of the world. Nothing ganna change overnight!
   
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 15, 2020, 01:08:53 AM
They require married for maturity and for female related calls....
Yes some married men are immature too.....
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 15, 2020, 01:16:05 AM
They require married for maturity and for female related calls....
Yes some married men are immature too.....
There are plenty of mature single men, and if they don't want them taking female related calls they can make that rule.
No reason to ban them from helping their elderly male neighbor who is in cardiac arrest.

Also if a man is in his 30s or 40s and is unfortunately still single you should hold that against them?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 15, 2020, 01:17:48 AM
They require married for maturity and for female related calls....
Yes some married men are immature too.....
Lol, but that is very true!

   Being that your responding to a an emergency does that not allow for a single guy to help out? Or is that really a major issue and they'll only allow it with married men?
   Or I guess that explains Ezra's Nashim..
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on May 15, 2020, 01:21:38 AM
There are plenty of mature single men, and if they don't want them taking female related calls they can make that rule.
No reason to ban them from helping their elderly male neighbor who is in cardiac arrest.

Also if a man is in his 30s or 40s and is unfortunately still single you should hold that against them?
Are there doctors who are not married? Just curious. If yes then i see no reason why single men who are in fact mature enough to be able to join and respond to calls if needed.
   And on another note, most calls meantion who is involved in the call, whether a male or female so no excuse. Like you said when the opposite gender is needing help you don't respond and for same gender calls you can be there and help out.
   
 
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: ilherman on May 15, 2020, 01:31:51 AM
Catching up.

I'll be very blunt. I did not donate to Hatzolah.

While the rank and file are one of the best people in society, the people on top stink.

I know many great EMTs who offered crazy amounts of money to get in and were denied. Just because the people on top want to hold a power grip.

Why should I give them money when they have where to take it from but simply refuse for political reasons?

Same goes for Ezras Nashim.. Why spend so much time and effort to stop them.

Unfortunately the leadership stinks to high heaven.

Sorry for being the one to take off the soft gloves.

People should know the truth
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on May 15, 2020, 01:39:47 AM
Are there doctors who are not married? Just curious. If yes then i see no reason why single men who are in fact mature enough to be able to join and respond to calls if needed.
   And on another note, most calls meantion who is involved in the call, whether a male or female so no excuse. Like you said when the opposite gender is needing help you don't respond and for same gender calls you can be there and help out.
   
 
Being a doctor and working in the world doesn't compare to volunteering with a Jewish org with Jewish values. I've heard the arguments for both sides and I was a single medic at one point also. It's also been proven, in some neighborhoods, that they are willing to wave it for members kids.

@Shmulie Why don't you try joining as a service member. Eventually they will let you respond to the bus to transport and maybe even go on a call or 2.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: justmeha on May 15, 2020, 02:10:49 AM
does anybody know what the definition of חסיד שוטה
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 15, 2020, 08:33:12 AM
Being a doctor and working in the world doesn't compare to volunteering with a Jewish org with Jewish values. I've heard the arguments for both sides and I was a single medic at one point also. It's also been proven, in some neighborhoods, that they are willing to wave it for members kids.

@Shmulie Why don't you try joining as a service member. Eventually they will let you respond to the bus to transport and maybe even go on a call or 2.

Yeah I'm trying to go that route now
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 18, 2020, 05:24:11 PM
Unfortunately, more times than I'd like to admit. Usually when moving to another part of the neighborhood or when day hours opened up.

I actually did get a call once and was told to schedule a meeting. After 8 months of running after them I decided a little self respect I had to have and I stopped trying.
Ouch. Sadly this is typical...
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 18, 2020, 05:25:43 PM
Oh man if that happened to me and I was told to setup a meeting and then wasn't abel to I would be so upset.

I was just never answered and when I followed up multiple times someone in the office finally had the heart to basically tell me it wasn't happening since I wasn't married.
Which neighborhood if you don't mind me asking? So ridiculous that they finally told you no single guys after many times asking.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 18, 2020, 05:29:17 PM
I'm definitely jaded by it but I don't believe in public bashing. Put the crap aside the mission is good and important.

Edit: as a matter of fact I have told almost nobody about this and it's the first time I posted "publicly" about it. I guess I feel some level of anonymity here.
Yes public bashing usually doesn't accomplish much, however I'm not sure what can fix their broken heirachy system. I wish someone was able to. In lakewood the rabbonim a few years back threw out a bunch of people in charge to clear house supposedly.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 18, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
Are there doctors who are not married? Just curious. If yes then i see no reason why single men who are in fact mature enough to be able to join and respond to calls if needed.
   And on another note, most calls meantion who is involved in the call, whether a male or female so no excuse. Like you said when the opposite gender is needing help you don't respond and for same gender calls you can be there and help out.
   
 
So what really what it comes down to with these organizations is how many people they have, and if they have a lot of willing members then they"ll start narrowing it down to their ideal criteria. So if they can have what they want, they"ll narrow it down... Married, 25 etc...

Now for chaeverim they really should take more single guys in my opinion - issue is many area they consider themselves some sort of police force and are kinda losing sight of their bread and butter. Lockouts, boosts and helping people who ran out of fuel are nearly as exciting as running after a burglar with lights and sirens or other police like activities.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 18, 2020, 05:42:18 PM
Catching up.

I'll be very blunt. I did not donate to Hatzolah.

While the rank and file are one of the best people in society, the people on top stink.

I know many great EMTs who offered crazy amounts of money to get in and were denied. Just because the people on top want to hold a power grip.

Why should I give them money when they have where to take it from but simply refuse for political reasons?

Same goes for Ezras Nashim.. Why spend so much time and effort to stop them.

Unfortunately the leadership stinks to high heaven.

Sorry for being the one to take off the soft gloves.

People should know the truth
Power corrupts, it's that simple and has held true forever.  And one thing to add to your post - how many neighborhoods have EMT's that are certified as medics, but the leadership won't let them practice as medics rather going to the 911 system for medics. So sad.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on May 18, 2020, 10:13:26 PM
Which neighborhood if you don't mind me asking? So ridiculous that they finally told you no single guys after many times asking.

Flatbush
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 18, 2020, 10:53:02 PM
Flatbush
yeah from what I hear no shot in getting on unless well connected while single. And even when married iyh need to live far out or know somebody.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: yochiek93 on May 20, 2020, 03:58:36 AM
yeah from what I hear no shot in getting on unless well connected while single. And even when married iyh need to live far out or know somebody.
it's not only in Flatbush there are alot of criteria and if it's really about saving lives and not something political it would look different. I'm not saying they are bad IMHO the members going on calls are great.
And before someone says I'm saying this because I'm not in Hatzolah, I never applied, at this point in my life I don't want to join.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on May 20, 2020, 09:19:17 PM
it's not only in Flatbush there are alot of criteria and if it's really about saving lives and not something political it would look different. I'm not saying they are bad IMHO the members going on calls are great.
And before someone says I'm saying this because I'm not in Hatzolah, I never applied, at this point in my life I don't want to join.
I don't blame you, many think similar.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on July 27, 2020, 02:30:01 PM
Can one with an NYS EMT licence, work or volunteer in New Jersey?
   
  Or how does one who's certified in Jersey work in the Catskills during the summer? Or did they all take a NREmt to be able to work in NYS?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on July 27, 2020, 02:34:56 PM
They did reciprocity
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 02:57:50 PM
Can one with an NYS EMT licence, work or volunteer in New Jersey?
   
  Or how does one who's certified in Jersey work in the Catskills during the summer? Or did they all take a NREmt to be able to work in NYS?
IINM one can work in jersey with a NY license, I have a friend that works for a hospital in jersey that does that.. Though i think he said something about only his partner being able to give meds.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on July 27, 2020, 03:33:03 PM
IINM one can work in jersey with a NY license, I have a friend that works for a hospital in jersey that does that.. Though i think he said something about only his partner being able to give meds.
Is one a medic and one an EMT?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 04:20:45 PM
Is one a medic and one an EMT?
Not sure where you inferred that I was referring to 2 friends, it's one and he's an EMT.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 04:21:13 PM
Not sure where you inferred that I was referring to 2 friends, it's one and he's an EMT.
Oh gosh, you meant him and his partner? NO LOL, both BLS.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on July 27, 2020, 09:23:13 PM
IINM one can work in jersey with a NY license, I have a friend that works for a hospital in jersey that does that.. Though i think he said something about only his partner being able to give meds.

NY BLS doesn't give meds unless you are talking about Epipen, O2 with albuterol, or baby aspirin
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 09:31:53 PM
NY BLS doesn't give meds unless you are talking about Epipen, O2 with albuterol, or baby aspirin
Or narcan or glucose techincally, or even regular 02 if you want to get techincal:) But yes I am quite familiar...  Like I said IIRC he was able to work as an EMT in jersey with his NY card, but unable to adminster BLS meds (I thought that was obvious).
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on July 27, 2020, 09:56:25 PM
Or narcan or glucose techincally, or even regular 02 if you want to get techincal:) But yes I am quite familiar...  Like I said IIRC he was able to work as an EMT in jersey with his NY card, but unable to adminster BLS meds (I thought that was obvious).

Doesn't really make sense since all of those drugs can be administered by a good samaritan assuming the patients who need them carries it on them (epi, glucose, aspirin, some drug users even carry narcan) besides for O2

BLS meds really don't need much skill other then reading the instructions on the meds
besides for knowing how to setup an O2 tank which I'm assuming your friend can at least setup
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
Doesn't really make sense since all of those drugs can be administered by a good samaritan assuming the patients who need them carries it on them (epi, glucose, aspirin, some drug users even carry narcan) besides for O2

BLS meds really don't need much skill other then reading the instructions on the meds
besides for knowing how to setup an O2 tank which I'm assuming your friend can at least setup
Not really sure how you are making the jump from a pt with self prescribed meds to a BLS provider that needs standing orders in the state that the drug is being administered in order to provide meds that the pt may or may not be prescribed with. It's not crazy to think that the DOH or the hospital whom he works for policy is to require an active card in the state to give the meds/drugs under the standing order/s of the medical director for the ambulance corp.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on July 27, 2020, 10:22:57 PM
Doesn't really make sense since all of those drugs can be administered by a good samaritan assuming the patients who need them carries it on them (epi, glucose, aspirin, some drug users even carry narcan) besides for O2

BLS meds really don't need much skill other then reading the instructions on the meds
besides for knowing how to setup an O2 tank which I'm assuming your friend can at least setup
So what exactly are you left to do if you cant do any of that? Administer CPR?

Not really sure how you are making the jump from a pt with self prescribed meds to a BLS provider that needs standing orders in the state that the drug is being administered in order to provide meds that the pt may or may not be prescribed with. It's not crazy to think that the DOH or the hospital whom he works for policy is to require an active card in the state to give the meds/drugs under the standing order/s of the medical director for the ambulance corp.
As is a BLS member cant do much when it comes to meds, you need to call for medics.
   But not allowed to give the basics? no aspirin? not being able to assist with Nitroglycerin? nor any meds? seems like its probably worth taking the NREmt to work in Jersey.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on July 27, 2020, 10:24:08 PM
They did reciprocity
Any idea of what that costs for a B-EMT to take the exam to be certified in NJ?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 10:40:56 PM
So what exactly are you left to do if you cant do any of that? Administer CPR?
 As is a BLS member cant do much when it comes to meds, you need to call for medics.
   But not allowed to give the basics? no aspirin? not being able to assist with Nitroglycerin? nor any meds? seems like its probably worth taking the NREmt to work in Jersey.
As BLS for nearly 5 years now, Im quite aware. In his uniquie situation it just meant that he couldn't give those meds which as anyone that rides BLS knows are given quite rarely percentage wise, and his partner can simply adminster it, and often if one of those are indicated good chance medics are there already/going to be onboard  en route to hospital   
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on July 27, 2020, 10:43:49 PM
So what exactly are you left to do if you cant do any of that? Administer CPR?
Stop the bleeding...

Not really sure how you are making the jump from a pt with self prescribed meds to a BLS provider that needs standing orders in the state that the drug is being administered in order to provide meds that the pt may or may not be prescribed with. It's not crazy to think that the DOH or the hospital whom he works for policy is to require an active card in the state to give the meds/drugs under the standing order/s of the medical director for the ambulance corp.

I believe Narcan is given out for free at most large pharmacies to anyone who wants (non medically trained) Aspirin is an OTC drug, and anyone who needs an Epipen should be carrying one on them (everyone in my family including myself who has allergies carry them), same with glucose

- BLS drugs are in the most part drugs that any good samaritan can help with
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 27, 2020, 10:48:35 PM
Stop the bleeding...

I believe Narcan is given out for free at most large pharmacies to anyone who wants (non medically trained) Aspirin is an OTC drug, and anyone who needs an Epipen should be carrying one on them (everyone in my family including myself who has allergies carry them), same with glucose

- BLS drugs are in the most part drugs that any good samaritan can help with
Oh dear, how long can we drag this out.. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the legalities of various EMS stuff, i'm a bit of a geek in that regard. Regardless, a prescribed med is just that, and you can't adminster that (helping self adminster is literllay that, going under the pt's prescription) to you deciding that it is indicated under a standing order. Narcan is a whole nother mess, because just because a good samiartan can now get it without a prescription, doesn't mean then when you are acting as an emt you may or may not need a standing order (had a whole discussion with the lady from sullivan county doh at a narcan training, complicated topic).
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on July 27, 2020, 11:00:49 PM
Oh dear, how long can we drag this out.. I'm not sure how familiar you are with the legalities of various EMS stuff, i'm a bit of a geek in that regard. Regardless, a prescribed med is just that, and you can't adminster that (helping self adminster is literllay that, going under the pt's prescription) to you deciding that it is indicated under a standing order. Narcan is a whole nother mess, because just because a good samiartan can now get it without a prescription, doesn't mean then when you are acting as an emt you may or may not need a standing order (had a whole discussion with the lady from sullivan county doh at a narcan training, complicated topic).

not disagreeing with you legally

practically I think its just dumb
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: myi on July 27, 2020, 11:05:05 PM
not disagreeing with you legally

practically I think its just dumb

 That's part of being a B-EMT, i guess a medic course would change that. Or reciprocity, which would mean another 100Q exam.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 10:30:13 AM

 That's part of being a B-EMT, i guess a medic course would change that. Or reciprocity, which would mean another 100Q exam.
Well obviously medic would change that, or reciprocity. Though for medic likely need an NJ card too
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 10:34:25 AM
not disagreeing with you legally

practically I think its just dumb
Well that of course, you were just saying that the story didn't make sense, which I had confirmed firsthand that the story was accurate. Reconfirmed yesterday his response - "wasn't allowed to give BLS meds it's very dumb lol. You can give o2 and that's really about it"
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Shmulie on July 29, 2020, 02:11:30 PM
Well that of course, you were just saying that the story didn't make sense, which I had confirmed firsthand that the story was accurate. Reconfirmed yesterday his response - "wasn't allowed to give BLS meds it's very dumb lol. You can give o2 and that's really about it"
lol knowing how to use an O2 tank and giving the right amount is probably the only "drug" that you even need training for
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on July 29, 2020, 02:45:57 PM
I disagree on the training part. I have seen my fair share of EMT's rubbing oral glucose on a semi or unconscious person. Clearly training is need to remind them if they can't follow simple commands don't administer it.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 03:14:51 PM
I disagree on the training part. I have seen my fair share of EMT's rubbing oral glucose on a semi or unconscious person. Clearly training is need to remind them if they can't follow simple commands don't administer it.
+1, although to be fair there are some instructors that disagree with "don't administer if they can't control their own airway". The lady in monsey at the FTC teaches like that @Einstein
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on July 29, 2020, 03:20:45 PM
+1, although to be fair there are some instructors that disagree with "don't administer if they can't control their own airway". The lady in monsey at the FTC teaches like that @Einstein
She can disagree all she wants but she's an idiot and I'll say it here out loud.
Seeing Glucose druol down someones mouth is not pretty and its sticky. In order for it to do anything it really needs to hit the stomach and even then, by design it's slow acting. A pt in that condition needs IV glucose and if no IV access glucagon...

There are ppl who say we should give glucagon to EMT's. It can't hurt the pt even when given to someone who doesnt need it. and if it can be packaged just like an Epi Pen then you don't need any additional training.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 03:25:10 PM
She can disagree all she wants but she's an idiot and I'll say it here out loud.
Seeing Glucose druol down someones mouth is not pretty and its sticky. In order for it to do anything it really needs to hit the stomach and even then, by design it's slow acting. A pt in that condition needs IV glucose and if no IV access glucagon...

There are ppl who say we should give glucagon to EMT's. It can't hurt the pt even when given to someone who doesnt need it. and if it can be packaged just like an Epi Pen then you don't need any additional training.
agreed. The medic with 30+years field experience who taught my course called her the same :P
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on July 29, 2020, 03:25:39 PM
agreed. The medic with 30+years field experience who taught my course called her the same :P
Eli's class?
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 03:32:44 PM
Eli's class?
no, Eli taught to give in that scenario, ray cofeey was my instructor, Eli teaches at the ftc
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Medic97 on July 29, 2020, 03:34:06 PM
no, Eli taught to give in that scenario, ray cofeey was my instructor, Eli teaches at the ftc
ok different eli, different program.
Title: Re: EMT MASTER THREAD
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 29, 2020, 03:40:18 PM
ok different eli, different program.
this Eli is a female lol