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Title: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: heimishbrisker on July 03, 2014, 10:35:05 PM
On my recent trip to Paris I was introduced to foie gras. (Stuffed goose liver-a french delicacy). I bought it in a bucher shop on Rue de Rosiers in Le Marais. I have never tasted something so good (and so expensive) before, but I'm hooked. Without getting into kashrus issues (I know it's a machlokes poskim), does if and where there is kosher foie gras available in the US?
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 03, 2014, 10:39:26 PM
Typo: does anyone know if and where....
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Post by: churnbabychurn on July 03, 2014, 11:37:03 PM
Giyf

http://www.markys.com/Markys_Caviar_press/2002%20Gourmet%20News%20112102.html
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Post by: shnoz on July 04, 2014, 12:01:16 AM
How is kosher possible?
 Broiling the liver destroys the foie gras :o?
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 04, 2014, 12:01:17 AM
Giyf

http://www.markys.com/Markys_Caviar_press/2002%20Gourmet%20News%20112102.html
Yeah. That article is dated to '02. they still claim that it's coming  http://www.markys.com/caviar/customer/Kosher-Foie-Gras-c-266/ (http://www.markys.com/caviar/customer/Kosher-Foie-Gras-c-266/). Are there any restaurants that serve it?

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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 04, 2014, 12:25:43 AM
How is kosher possible?
 Broiling the liver destroys the foie gras :o?
Check out Wikipedia. It doesn't destroy it, it's just not the real traditional french way of preparing it.
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Post by: yaacov37 on July 05, 2014, 11:50:13 PM
I have heard once Foie Gras is illegal in US (Pomegranate Butcher)
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 12:04:50 AM
You just downgraded pomegranate's expertise in my eyes. (Was it that Heineman guy?)
 Foie Gras is legal in 49 states. California is the only state where production and sales are illegal (consumption is legal). As a matter of fact New York state is one of the world's largest foie gras producer.
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Post by: ash on July 06, 2014, 12:52:11 AM
I think Got Kosher in LA sells Foie Gras
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 03:06:00 AM
I think Got Kosher in LA sells Foie Gras
Um. No. I'm not sure if you saw my previous post. foie gras is outlawed in California so it doesn't make sense for a L.A. establishment to be selling it. I checked out their website and lo and behold foie gras was nowhere to be found. I wish someone could help me here.
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Post by: ash on July 06, 2014, 05:08:58 AM
I saw it there ............
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Post by: churnbabychurn on July 06, 2014, 09:08:53 AM
You just downgraded pomegranate's expertise in my eyes. (Was it that Heineman guy?)
 Foie Gras is legal in 49 states. California is the only state where production and sales are illegal (consumption is legal). As a matter of fact New York state is one of the world's largest foie gras producer.
You thought these guys had a certified butcher degree or something?
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Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 09:27:48 AM
Found with Google search.

http://www.aaronsgourmet.com/html/kosher_exotic_.html

You can choose between grade B for $97/lb or grade A $137/lb!
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Post by: Ergel on July 06, 2014, 11:17:47 AM
AYLOR with regards to the hechsher
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Post by: churnbabychurn on July 06, 2014, 11:27:06 AM
AYLOR with regards to the hechsher
http://www.aaronsgourmet.com/Aarons_Gourmet_Glatt_5775_QR_code_and_logo-1-.pdf

Its that bad or just the cup is hilarious?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2014, 11:35:16 AM
http://www.aaronsgourmet.com/Aarons_Gourmet_Glatt_5775_QR_code_and_logo-1-.pdf

Its that bad or just the cup is hilarious?
Most frum jews wouldn't eat cup-k, but then again they also wouldn't eat from beis din du paris...
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Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 11:51:59 AM
Ok, then. Not sure if they still have it in stock, but Otto's in CA did at one time sell the OU certified foie gras by French Delice
http://www.hungariandeli.com/Store.htm
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 02:44:13 PM
Found with Google search.

http://www.aaronsgourmet.com/html/kosher_exotic_.html

You can choose between grade B for $97/lb or grade A $137/lb!
Thanx so much! But after seeing this article about the rav hamachshir in the Forward I'll pass http://m.forward.com/articles/12725/nd-ave-deli-cooks-up-controversy-/ (http://m.forward.com/articles/12725/nd-ave-deli-cooks-up-controversy-/) I'm hoping to see something from the ou or better.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 02:47:48 PM
Ok, then. Not sure if they still have it in stock, but Otto's in CA did at one time sell the OU certified foie gras by French Delice
http://www.hungariandeli.com/Store.htm
Once again foie gras is outlawed in California. (I checked their website and confirmed) Is that place even kosher?
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Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 03:52:13 PM
Once again foie gras is outlawed in California. (I checked their website and confirmed) Is that place even kosher?
It isn't kosher. They import it from France. But the law, according to Wikipedia, doesn't prohibit importing foie gras if it was produced outside of CA.
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Post by: Ergel on July 06, 2014, 04:01:31 PM
Then there is this link- it says in stock but I don't see any way of adding it to the cart.

http://www.caviarideas.com/koblofgofogr.html
Website infected
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Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 04:03:25 PM
Or try this one: http://www.ezcaviar.com/show_book.php?isbn=BGFGC5
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Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 04:03:55 PM
Website infected
Why? I didn't see anything suspicious?
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 04:13:24 PM
It isn't kosher. They import it from France. But the law, according to Wikipedia, doesn't prohibit importing foie gras if it was produced outside of CA.
I don't mean to bicker, but I stand corrected. Sale and production of foie gras is illegal in California however, consumption is. To quote Wikipedia "The state of California has also prohibited the production and sale of foie gras, effective 1 July 2012.[71][72] Violators will receive a $1,000 fine. Some restaurant owners have declared they plan to use a loophole in the new law; if restaurant goers bring in their own foie gras, restaurants may legally prepare and serve it.[73]"

I don't think any food establishment in CA is selling foie gras. Period.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Ergel on July 06, 2014, 04:16:45 PM
Why? I didn't see anything suspicious?
Kaspersky flagged it
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 04:22:39 PM
I have no idea, I'm just an avid googler. This is what I see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_foie_gras_law

"The law does not prohibit the consumption of foie gras, giving it as a gift or its importation from outside California."
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 04:23:10 PM
Then there is this link- it says in stock but I don't see any way of adding it to the cart.

http://www.caviarideas.com/koblofgofogr.html
That website is outdated as heck! They're still selling Israeli foie gras which was outlawed there in '05.  http://www.caviarideas.com/kowhgoli0lb.html (http://www.caviarideas.com/kowhgoli0lb.html) (Still in stock!)
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 04:26:05 PM
I have no idea, I'm just an avid googler. This is what I see here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_foie_gras_law

"The law does not prohibit the consumption of foie gras, giving it as a gift or its importation from outside California."
Yeah. That what I'm saying. That Otto's place is located in CA. So it doesn't make sense they're selling.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 04:33:54 PM
I think Chagall had it on their menu once. Maybe ask the chef if he could make it for you...
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 04:41:52 PM
Or try this one: http://www.ezcaviar.com/show_book.php?isbn=BGFGC5
THANX! Not too many details over there. I'm gonna give them a call.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: wayfe on July 06, 2014, 04:53:50 PM
http://exquisitecaterers.com/blog/2013/05/why-is-our-menu-different/

Dunno how kosher they ate though...
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 04:53:55 PM
I think Chagall had it on their menu once. Maybe ask the chef if he could make it for you...
Maybe they used to. Today they have fake foie gras. On their menu: "Brioche of duck pâté" -duck pâté but not the real thing. "Filet mingon 'Rossini'....poultry foie gras" -yup. That's chicken foie gras, not the real thing.
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Post by: heimishbrisker on July 06, 2014, 05:00:23 PM
http://exquisitecaterers.com/blog/2013/05/why-is-our-menu-different/

Dunno how kosher they ate though...
Yea. No hechsher in sight on their website.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: mrprez27 on August 03, 2017, 10:49:21 PM
I'm reviving an old thread but anyone know where to get foi gras now in usa, preferably in NY area
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Post by: koshergreg on October 25, 2017, 11:12:13 AM
Hi you can check out this website : https://www.jewpon.me/
they have kosher foie gras on this page https://www.jewpon.me/en/deals/foie-gras-pate-kosher
It seems that you cannot cook but it is a ready to eat can.

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Post by: theduke on October 25, 2017, 12:29:10 PM
 https://heritagekosher.com/about-us/ this company is a new one. Don't know of they offer anything for sale yet but read their zman advertorial and sounded interesting.
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Post by: ADG on October 25, 2017, 01:28:57 PM
http://www.aaronsgourmet.com/Aarons_Gourmet_Glatt_5775_QR_code_and_logo-1-.pdf

Its that bad or just the cup is hilarious?

It is one of the poorest Hechsher's I have seen, if it can even be called a legitimate hechsher...

Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ADG on October 25, 2017, 01:40:17 PM
I just heard that they are killing 600 of these birds with OU hechsher next week.

So you will be able to find it on the market.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2017, 01:45:34 PM
Hi you can check out this website : https://www.jewpon.me/
they have kosher foie gras on this page https://www.jewpon.me/en/deals/foie-gras-pate-kosher
It seems that you cannot cook but it is a ready to eat can.


Bad hechsher.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: luckyluck on October 25, 2017, 01:59:19 PM
Bad hechsher.
Some people who do not eat Paris beis din meat because it's not Glatt, do eat their poultry
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Dan on October 25, 2017, 02:04:39 PM
Some people who do not eat Paris beis din meat because it's not Glatt, do eat their poultry
Poultry is one thing, but to trust it on something as complicated as foie gras?
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Post by: yoruel on October 25, 2017, 02:11:44 PM
Does He sell it?
http://pellehpoultry.com/
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Post by: henche on October 25, 2017, 02:29:19 PM
Does He sell it?
http://pellehpoultry.com/

I don't think so.  Not really his style either to do foie gras, I think he's more into the free rangey kind of raising animals.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 25, 2017, 02:45:17 PM
I don't think so.  Not really his style either to do foie gras, I think he's more into the free rangey kind of raising animals.
Geshtupte ganz was always free range.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 25, 2017, 04:15:14 PM
Poultry is one thing, but to trust it on something as complicated as foie gras?
Why is it so complicated?
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Post by: luckyluck on October 25, 2017, 05:04:49 PM
Why is it so complicated?

The pipe in the goose's throat can make it treifah.
And the liver needs to be kosherized by broiling, but broiling just a bit too much ruins the foie gras.
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Post by: aygart on October 25, 2017, 05:27:12 PM
Why is it so complicated?
Geshtupte ganz Is not so simple to ever be kosher. Many families in avoided it in Europe and it is a machlokes haposkim. The incidence of tarfus was always extremely high and the families which did eat them took a major risk that they would lose the whole thing when doing it.
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Post by: moish on October 25, 2017, 10:52:14 PM
The pipe in the goose's throat can make it treifah.
And the liver needs to be kosherized by broiling, but broiling just a bit too much ruins the foie gras.
I'm well aware of the concerns. More susceptible to traifah and ruinage. That doesn't explain why it's complicated for a kashrus agency. (But maybe explains why it costs $150 a lobe)

Geshtupte ganz Is not so simple to ever be kosher. Many families in avoided it in Europe and it is a machlokes haposkim. The incidence of tarfus was always extremely high and the families which did eat them took a major risk that they would lose the whole thing when doing it.
see above
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Post by: aygart on October 25, 2017, 10:54:01 PM
I'm well aware of the concerns. More susceptible to traifah and ruinage. That doesn't explain why it's complicated for a kashrus agency. (But maybe explains why it costs $150 a lobe)
see above
Huh?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 07:29:01 AM
Huh?
The point is that just because it has a higher probability of becoming a traifah, doesn't necessarily make it more complicated for a kashrus agency. The machlokes haposkim you reference and/or the financial viability is neither here nor there.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 07:51:05 AM
The point is that just because it has a higher probability of becoming a traifah, doesn't necessarily make it more complicated for a kashrus agency. The machlokes haposkim you reference and/or the financial viability is neither here nor there.
You are making it as if when it is a treifa it has a big red flashing light on its head to tell them "I am not kosher"
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Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 08:37:57 AM
You are making it as if when it is a treifa it has a big red flashing light on its head to tell them "I am not kosher"
Checking for traifah is the bread and butter of every kashrus agency overseeing shechita. Hence, if you trust them to tell you your chicken is not a traifa, it's not more complicated to tell you geshtupte genz is kosher
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 09:05:29 AM
Checking for traifah is the bread and butter of every kashrus agency overseeing shechita. Hence, if you trust them to tell you your chicken is not a traifa, it's not more complicated to tell you geshtupte genz is kosher
It doesn't seem to me that you have a great understanding of treifos and hechsherim.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 09:44:08 AM
It doesn't seem to me that you have a great understanding of treifos and hechsherim.
Can you try to be a bit more vague
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Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 10:08:34 AM
Can you try to be a bit more vague
They don't have a big red light saying that it is a treifa. Someone needs to screen it then someone needs to pasken on it whether or not it is a treifa. When it is done on a mass scale it is more likely to get by. When it is a lower level hechsher that also raises questions as to whether or not you trust their psak on the treifa. That makes a hechsher much more of a problem than the woman in the shtetle who checked one chicken and brought any shailo to the local rov not less of a problem. The rabbonim hamachshirim of slaughterhouses will be the first to tell you this.
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Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 10:38:26 AM
They don't have a big red light saying that it is a treifa. Someone needs to screen it then someone needs to pasken on it whether or not it is a treifa. When it is done on a mass scale it is more likely to get by. When it is a lower level hechsher that also raises questions as to whether or not you trust their psak on the treifa. That makes a hechsher much more of a problem than the woman in the shtetle who checked one chicken and brought any shailo to the local rov not less of a problem. The rabbonim hamachshirim of slaughterhouses will be the first to tell you this.
Again, you are avoiding the issue. The premise here is that they ARE reliable when it comes to paskening trayfus. To remind you, we are going on the assumption that people rely on them for poultry. If they can be relied upon for mass scale chickens, it would seem to be logical that they can be relied upon to pasken goose liver where 1. It's probably not produced on a mass scale and 2. They are more likely to check better than a chicken since there is a higher probability of a traifah.

Not sure what you are not getting, but if you can provide a logical argument as to why it's more complicated for a kashrus organization to certify a goose liver over a regular chicken, I'm all ears.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
Again, you are avoiding the issue. The premise here is that they ARE reliable when it comes to paskening trayfus. To remind you, we are going on the assumption that people rely on them for poultry. If they can be relied upon for mass scale chickens, it would seem to be logical that they can be relied upon to pasken goose liver where 1. It's probably not produced on a mass scale and 2. They are more likely to check better than a chicken since there is a higher probability of a traifah.

Not sure what you are not getting, but if you can provide a logical argument as to why it's more complicated for a kashrus organization to certify a goose liver over a regular chicken, I'm all ears.

Regular chickens is very straightforward. It's not like cows that need to be checked internally,  and traibered
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 10:47:57 AM
Regular chickens is very straightforward. It's not like cows that need to be checked internally,  and traibered
We aren't talking about cows
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Whatever.  I don't have a horse in this race
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Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 10:55:21 AM
Whatever.  I don't have a horse in this race

Definitely need a good hechsher for that
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Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 10:56:51 AM
We aren't talking about cows
But considering the higher complexity, which is more than just a higher incidence, why are you assuming that it is the straightforward chicken rather than the complicated cow?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 10:58:03 AM
Whatever.  I don't have a horse in this race
You have one as much as I do. It's a question of logic. If I were to go to my rov who I always bring my chickens to to check for traifah, and this time I bring him a chicken that prior to slaughtering it, my kids played catch with it so bigger probability that it's a traifah, is it logical to say that for some reason, it's more complicated for this rov to render a psak? Especially if I told him about the higher probability?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 10:59:46 AM
You have one as much as I do.

Good,  so we both don't!
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:00:30 AM
But considering the higher complexity, which is more than just a higher incidence, why are you assuming that it is the straightforward chicken rather than the complicated cow?
Please explain why it's more complex. Seems pretty straightforward. There was a feeding tube stuck down its throat. We all know that. Now we shall check if said tube made it traif. That's the only difference between it and a regular chicken.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:01:13 AM
Good,  so we both don't!
Agreed.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 11:01:45 AM
Please explain why it's more complex. Seems pretty straightforward. There was a feeding tube stuck down its throat. We all know that. Now we shall check if said tube made it traif. That's the only difference between it and a regular chicken.

Is veal more complicated that beef? Why? It's just a cow stuck in a pen and force fed.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:04:04 AM
Is veal more complicated that beef? Why? It's just a cow stuck in a pen and force fed.
I don't know the details of veal so unfortunately I can't comment.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 11:06:33 AM
I don't know the details of veal so unfortunately I can't comment.

That's a shame because it's the perfect analogy  ;D
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:08:51 AM
Please explain why it's more complex. Seems pretty straightforward. There was a feeding tube stuck down its throat. We all know that. Now we shall check if said tube made it traif. That's the only difference between it and a regular chicken.
nikuvas haveshet is not the same as dakin. also, it is not only the veshet which is more complex. Look through the poskim discussing geshtupte ganz and you will see why. Do you have knowledge about this to base your assumptions on or is it only conjecture with no real basis?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:09:33 AM
I don't know the details of veal so unfortunately I can't comment.
Do you know the details of stuffed birds?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:10:56 AM
That's a shame because it's the perfect analogy  ;D
The question here is if the feeding tube made a hole. Don't think one needs to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. So my guess would be that there isn't somewhere specific in the veal.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
nikuvas haveshet is not the same as dakin. also, it is not only the veshet which is more complex. Look through the poskim discussing geshtupte ganz and you will see why. Do you have knowledge about this to base your assumptions on or is it only conjecture with no real basis?
What's the relevance. Either answer the question or don't. As Shapiro once said, you don't need a degree in Sociology to know BS when you see it
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:15:11 AM
You have one as much as I do. It's a question of logic. If I were to go to my rov who I always bring my chickens to to check for traifah, and this time I bring him a chicken that prior to slaughtering it, my kids played catch with it so bigger probability that it's a traifah, is it logical to say that for some reason, it's more complicated for this rov to render a psak? Especially if I told him about the higher probability?
Whether it is logical or not, a nefula has much more complicated dinim and has an entire siman discussing how to deal with it and how the methods to check it are much more complex.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:16:58 AM
The question here is if the feeding tube made a hole. Don't think one needs to be a rocket scientist to figure that out. So my guess would be that there isn't somewhere specific in the veal.
Why do you think that is the only extra issue?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:18:16 AM
Whether it is logical or not, a nefula has much more complicated dinim and has an entire siman discussing how to deal with it and how the methods to check it are much more complex.
I'm coming from a point of logic. If I'm wrong, so be it.

FWIW, the kashrus agencies in Israel don't allow FG due to either tzaar baalei chaim or humanitarian reasons (not the same thing)
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:18:48 AM
What's the relevance. Either answer the question or don't. As Shapiro once said, you don't need a degree in Sociology to know BS when you see it
Lets get this clear. Do you have any knowledge at all about the potential comlexities and issues or are you just making baseless assumptions?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:19:40 AM
I'm coming from a point of logic. If I'm wrong, so be it.

FWIW, the kashrus agencies in Israel don't allow FG due to either tzaar baalei chaim or humanitarian reasons (not the same thing)
Do you have the underlying knowledge needed to make logical deductions?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:20:17 AM
Why do you think that is the only extra issue?
I was responding to this

The pipe in the goose's throat can make it treifah.
And the liver needs to be kosherized by broiling, but broiling just a bit too much ruins the foie gras.

If you have anything else to add, why did you wait until now
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:21:32 AM
Do you have the underlying knowledge needed to make logical deductions?
There you go again citing to authority. Like I said before, either answer the question or don't
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 11:23:19 AM
I wonder if I would even like it.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:23:58 AM
I wonder if I would even like it.
Oh, it's delicious
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
Oh, it's delicious

Does it taste like liver? I like liver
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:26:46 AM
There you go again citing to authority. Like I said before, either answer the question or don't
I will not go into a whole discussion about which there are hundreds of tshuvos over here. If you want to base what you do on am haaratzus do so at your own risk. Do you know anything about how to find a treifo in the dakin or in the veshet to know whether they are of the same complexity or not? Why are you assuming that they are the same? That is like saying that since a doctor is reliable for surgery on an ingrown toenail he should be reliable for brain surgery too.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 11:27:35 AM
I will not go into a whole discussion about which there are hundreds of tshuvos over here. If you want to base what you do on am haaratzus do so at your own risk. Do you know anything about how to find a treifo in the dakin or in the veshet to know whether they are of the same complexity or not? Why are you assuming that they are the same? That is like saying that since a doctor is reliable for surgery on an ingrown toenail he should be reliable for brain surgery too.

Do you like it?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:29:25 AM
Do you like it?
Do I like what? Foie gras? I have never tasted it. My great grandfather was makpid not to eat geshtupte ganz.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:31:43 AM
I will not go into a whole discussion about which there are hundreds of tshuvos over here. If you want to base what you do on am haaratzus do so at your own risk. Do you know anything about how to find a treifo in the dakin or in the veshet to know whether they are of the same complexity or not? Why are you assuming that they are the same? That is like saying that since a doctor is reliable for surgery on an ingrown toenail he should be reliable for brain surgery too.
I base what I do not on svaros but rather in the fact that IMO they are a good hechsher and they are telling me it's kosher. The fact that they, and most European kashrus agencies, never took on the chumrah of glatt doesn't change that. As an American, where glatt is the way of life, to the point that not glatt in America means not kosher, I personally would never eat not glatt meat. But poultry is different.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:32:38 AM
Do I like what? Foie gras? I have never tasted it. My great grandfather was makpid not to eat geshtupte ganz.
In my grandfathers shtetl they did (I think)
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:33:31 AM
I base what I do not on svaros but rather in the fact that IMO they are a good hechsher and they are telling me it's kosher. The fact that they, and most European kashrus agencies, never took on the chumrah of glatt doesn't change that. As an American, where glatt is the way of life, to the point that not glatt in America means not kosher, I personally would never eat not glatt meat. But poultry is different.
The reasoning behind glatt would apply to this even more than it does to cows.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:35:10 AM
The reasoning behind glatt would apply to this even more than it does to cows.
At this point I would defer to a rov. I'm not qualified to respond to that.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: kopite1 on October 26, 2017, 11:38:23 AM
I had it a few years ago at a wedding in London. It was served up by a caterer who is deemed to be the top kosher caterer in the UK. It was awful. Far too rich. Many of us sent it back for a plate of smoked salmon instead.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:41:08 AM
I had it a few years ago at a wedding in London. It was served up by a caterer who is deemed to be the top kosher caterer in the UK. It was awful. Far too rich. Many of us sent it back for a plate of smoked salmon instead.
You have to know how to eat it. It's not cholent. Actually now I remember that I too had it in London and wasn't so great. But was awesome in Paris

Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2017, 11:49:29 AM
No food in London is great ;)
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 11:51:54 AM
No food in London is great ;)

First time i tasted grieven was in london and it was the best i've ever had
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 11:53:32 AM
No food in London is great ;)
With the sole exception of Reubens salt beef of course
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 11:54:31 AM
Do I like what? Foie gras? I have never tasted it. My great grandfather was makpid not to eat geshtupte ganz.

So what did he eat shabbos chanuka???
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 11:55:50 AM
So what did he eat shabbos chanuka???
Dunno. latkes?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ADG on October 26, 2017, 11:56:39 AM
You guys really no how to ruin a delicacy. All this tube talk really takes the interest away...
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 12:03:04 PM
You guys really no how to ruin a delicacy. All this tube talk really takes the interest away...
Lol. Should we start talking about where tongue and sweetbreads come from?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 12:11:44 PM
You guys really no how to ruin a delicacy. All this tube talk really takes the interest away...

Do you like it?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2017, 12:12:41 PM
Lol. Should we start talking about where tongue and sweetbreads come from?
Where do they come from?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 12:21:43 PM
Where do they come from?
Your'e chomping at the bit for me to say brains, eh?  :)
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: kopite1 on October 26, 2017, 12:21:58 PM
With the sole exception of Reubens salt beef of course

Overpriced and portions far too small. Considering the salt beef and pastrami you guys get in NY, I'm amazed how much you rate Reubens. It's not thought of highly by the UK kehilla.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 12:22:51 PM
Overpriced and portions far too small. Considering the salt beef and pastrami you guys get in NY, I'm amazed how much you rate Reubens. It's not thought of highly by the UK kehilla.
But is it good?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 12:23:59 PM
Your'e chomping at the bit for me to say brains, eh?  :)

Thymus
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 12:25:41 PM
Thymus
Yeah, I know, that was the point
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: luckyluck on October 26, 2017, 01:15:30 PM
http://www.zouaghi-cacher.com/epicerie/454-bloc-de-foie-gras-d-oie-200-gr-3458450096215.html
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 01:23:46 PM
http://www.zouaghi-cacher.com/epicerie/454-bloc-de-foie-gras-d-oie-200-gr-3458450096215.html


Is that a better hechsher?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: luckyluck on October 26, 2017, 01:25:06 PM

Is that a better hechsher?

Definitely
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: luckyluck on October 26, 2017, 01:27:38 PM
http://www.zouaghi-cacher.com/epicerie/454-bloc-de-foie-gras-d-oie-200-gr-3458450096215.html

Rav Wolff av beis din Amsterdam said they are using an improved method with less than 10% treifos which was approved by Rav Elyashiv zt"l
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on October 26, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
Seems cheaper also.  20 euro
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 01:34:47 PM

Is that a better hechsher?

It has Hebrew letters on it
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Dan on October 26, 2017, 02:04:06 PM
With the sole exception of Reubens salt beef of course
I think you're the only one that raves about it.
Go try Izzys pastrami rib or brisket. Now that is life changing!
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 26, 2017, 02:25:34 PM
I think you're the only one that raves about it.
Go try Izzys pastrami rib or brisket. Now that is life changing!
I'm the only one? I jumped on the bandwagon fairly recently. I had Izzy's but I'm not a huge black pepper guy so it's kinda wasted on me. Although the Short rib at Mike's is something we both can agree on.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ADG on October 26, 2017, 02:28:18 PM
I think you're the only one that raves about it.
Go try Izzys pastrami rib or brisket. Now that is life changing!

I had some life changing brisket last night...
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 26, 2017, 02:29:58 PM
I'm the only one? I jumped on the bandwagon fairly recently. I had Izzy's but I'm not a huge black pepper guy so it's kinda wasted on me. Although the Short rib at Mike's is something we both can agree on.

I agree about the black pepper. his ribs are much less spicy
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: kopite1 on October 27, 2017, 05:16:45 AM
But is it good?

Not particularly IMO
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 27, 2017, 06:43:47 AM
Overpriced and portions far too small.
But is it good?
Not particularly IMO
Lol. Reminds me of this, “There's an old joke - um... two elderly women are at a Catskill mountain resort, and one of 'em says, "Boy, the food at this place is really terrible." The other one says, "Yeah, I know; and such small portions."
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: damaxer91 on October 27, 2017, 10:13:27 AM
I'm the only one? I jumped on the bandwagon fairly recently. I had Izzy's but I'm not a huge black pepper guy so it's kinda wasted on me. Although the Short rib at Mike's is something we both can agree on.

Rubens Salt Beef is excellent. But part of the attraction is that its in the UK, where everything else is awful.

Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on October 27, 2017, 10:43:34 AM
Rubens Salt Beef is excellent. But part of the attraction is that its in the UK, where everything else is awful.

Slice has decent pizza
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on October 28, 2017, 02:37:25 PM
Rubens Salt Beef is excellent. But part of the attraction is that its in the UK, where everything else is awful.


Never thought of it that way, but you're probably right
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: yoruel on October 31, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
https://heritagekosher.com/about-us/ this company is a new one. Don't know of they offer anything for sale yet but read their zman advertorial and sounded interesting.
They are very close to coming out.

Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moish on November 01, 2017, 12:06:40 AM
They are very close to coming out.


is this franklin's son?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: Thequeen on November 03, 2017, 10:57:49 AM
Heritage kosher is producing the first kosher foie gras in the US
They will also be making other duck products, such as torchon, mousse, duck breasts etc
Hey are under hashgacha of the OU
You can find more info on their Instagram account and website
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on November 03, 2017, 11:41:07 AM
Heritage kosher is producing the first kosher foie gras in the US
They will also be making other duck products, such as torchon, mousse, duck breasts etc
Hey are under hashgacha of the OU
You can find more info on their Instagram account and website
Did you even look at the posts above yours?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ExGingi on November 03, 2017, 11:42:36 AM
Heritage kosher is producing the first kosher foie gras in the US
They will also be making other duck products, such as torchon, mousse, duck breasts etc
Hey are under hashgacha of the OU
You can find more info on their Instagram account and website

Sounds very appetizing:

Quote
At Heritage Kosher Foie Gras, we utilize the whole animal: bones, meat, feathers, offal – everything has a purpose. Careful farm practices produces a duck that allows us to offer our customers a wide range of unique products, from our seminal foie gras, to our meaty Magret, to our buttery duck fat
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ExGingi on November 03, 2017, 11:45:12 AM
Rav Wolff av beis din Amsterdam said they are using an improved method with less than 10% treifos which was approved by Rav Elyashiv zt"l
It still has a disclaimer of sorts on the Hechsher - it says מפוטם, as clearly there are many who wouldn't touch that and it's an important piece of information.

Also of note, it says that it is produced in Hungary.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moko on November 03, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
Sounds very appetizing:
Quote
At Heritage Kosher Foie Gras, we utilize the whole animal: bones, meat, feathers
finally a version of L L cysteine from kosher animals that everyone will accept....
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ADG on November 07, 2017, 11:38:57 AM
Hope it works...

130 a pound
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on November 07, 2017, 11:43:44 AM
Hope it works...

130 a pound

what you mean works? is that the new one?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ADG on November 07, 2017, 12:21:06 PM
what you mean works? is that the new one?

I mean almost every picture I try to upload is too big of a file... it worked:)
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moko on November 13, 2017, 10:20:12 PM
Come get some at Kosherfest tomorrow...
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: rs242 on November 13, 2017, 10:37:32 PM
Come get some at Kosherfest tomorrow...
Samples?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: theduke on November 14, 2017, 02:22:42 PM
There are samples being given out there.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: plainbachur on November 20, 2017, 01:33:57 PM
https://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/111817-kashrus-and-animal-cruelty-kashrus-of-foie-gras-and-veal/
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on November 20, 2017, 02:26:19 PM
https://podcast.headlinesbook.com/e/111817-kashrus-and-animal-cruelty-kashrus-of-foie-gras-and-veal/

Who is this guy?  You listen to how he's interacting with Rabbi Elefant?

Calls him "Reb Moshe" because anyone who has the biggest daf yomi shiur deserves to be called Reb.  If not for the daf yomi shiur, he'd call him Moshe.  How about calling him Rabbi Elefant because he's in charge of the OU's kashrus department?
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: ushdadude on November 20, 2017, 02:41:22 PM
Who is this guy?  You listen to how he's interacting with Rabbi Elefant?

Calls him "Reb Moshe" because anyone who has the biggest daf yomi shiur deserves to be called Reb.  If not for the daf yomi shiur, he'd call him Moshe.  How about calling him Rabbi Elefant because he's in charge of the OU's kashrus department?

He's a real estate guy from lakewood. I don't know his knowledge base but his job is to act as a moderator which he does well, usually.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on November 20, 2017, 02:50:09 PM
The Grow & Behold guy presents really well. Wouldn't take the bait.
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: shlonx on November 20, 2017, 02:50:47 PM
Who is this guy?  You listen to how he's interacting with Rabbi Elefant?

Calls him "Reb Moshe" because anyone who has the biggest daf yomi shiur deserves to be called Reb.  If not for the daf yomi shiur, he'd call him Moshe.  How about calling him Rabbi Elefant because he's in charge of the OU's kashrus department?

David Lichtenstein

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Lichtenstein
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aro123 on February 08, 2018, 03:30:50 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/1464105/the-1000-dollar-sandwich-and-halacha.html

a little expensive
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on April 03, 2018, 06:55:17 PM
Have any of you geshtupte gantz tried the heritage kosher foie gras? Perhaps this one https://heritagekosher.com/product/heritage-kosher-torchon-of-duck-foie-gras-4-oz/
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: moko on April 03, 2018, 07:15:22 PM
Have any of you geshtupte gantz tried the heritage kosher foie gras? Perhaps this one https://heritagekosher.com/product/heritage-kosher-torchon-of-duck-foie-gras-4-oz/
The Butcherie in your home town is selling it. I'm pretty shocked by how well it sold
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: henche on April 03, 2018, 08:18:00 PM
The Butcherie in your home town is selling it. I'm pretty shocked by how well it sold

Am i like supposed to figure out if my grandparents ate it in mitzrayim, or can I just say oh, there's an OU
Title: Re: Kosher Foie Gras in US?
Post by: aygart on April 03, 2018, 08:26:33 PM
Am i like supposed to figure out if my grandparents ate it in mitzrayim, or can I just say oh, there's an OU
I'm sure the company can tell you why this is better that whatever you want to compare it to