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Title: "כאלה"
Post by: plainbachur on July 11, 2014, 12:01:45 PM
Will you join the choir this Shabbos by leining?

http://www.collive.com/show_news.rtx?id=31122&alias=this-shabbos-avoid-the-choir
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Post by: Achas Veachas on July 11, 2014, 12:07:16 PM
::)
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Post by: username on July 11, 2014, 12:26:51 PM
Quote
Yasher Koach.

But it is hard to resist :-)
Have a great Shabbos!
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Post by: njmacman on July 13, 2014, 12:56:23 AM
This is a private joke in our shul every chag!
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Post by: chaimmayer on July 13, 2014, 01:18:14 AM
Living deep in golus no one in the shul even knew about this.  nebach
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Post by: Vosizderneias on July 13, 2014, 02:03:59 AM
The writer is a very active DDFer, maybe hell come on and give us the inside scoop
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Post by: avremie on July 13, 2014, 03:36:23 AM
This is a private joke in our shul every chag!
Its only on pesach
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Post by: Myccrabbi on July 13, 2014, 04:59:24 AM
I did it...
Ku aaaaai le!
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on May 01, 2016, 08:18:45 AM
It's a Minhag Yisrael worldwide....
I was once in Switzerland on Pesach and saw that even backwards places have this Minhag Kadosh. "Lemaan" is another.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on May 01, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
Some dude in shul yelled at me when I did it. I'm like, are you for real??
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on May 01, 2016, 09:22:24 AM
It's a Minhag Yisrael worldwide....
I was once in Switzerland on Pesach and saw that even backwards places have this Minhag Kadosh. "Lemaan" is another.
What's lemaan?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Super Speed on May 01, 2016, 09:26:17 AM
My Rav gives mad attitude when people do it but TBH, I think more and more people are doing it every year :)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: yochiek93 on May 01, 2016, 11:27:54 AM


Minhag Kadosh.
Really?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on May 01, 2016, 12:00:29 PM
Really?

Sarcasm alert!
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on May 01, 2016, 12:01:10 PM
What's lemaan?

זרקא על "למען ידעו דורותיכם"
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: hvaces42 on May 01, 2016, 12:46:05 PM
ואת האלף is another
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Post by: Dan on May 01, 2016, 12:47:10 PM
ואת האלף is another
Especially when I'm getting an aliya :)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: chaimmayer on May 01, 2016, 07:31:36 PM
We had some kid laining who didn't know trop (why they let him lein is a good question!)
I shepped so much nachas when my kids belted out כאלה anyway even though the בעל קורא himself didn't.
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Post by: MeirS on May 01, 2016, 07:36:12 PM
Especially when I'm getting an aliya :)
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Post by: Dan on May 01, 2016, 07:37:38 PM

The best is when the B"K starts nudging me right after, as if I didn't get it when he read it at 5x the decibel level of the rest of the words...
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: EJB on May 01, 2016, 07:40:12 PM
The best is when the B"K starts nudging me right after, as if I didn't get it when he read it at 5x the decibel level of the rest of the words...

Jab  him back. Preferably in an area that will cause his leining to be at 5x the pitch it usually is :)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Super Speed on May 02, 2016, 12:42:40 AM
The best is when the B"K starts nudging me right after, as if I didn't get it when he read it at 5x the decibel level of the rest of the words...
ALOL
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Dr Moose on April 14, 2017, 05:39:02 PM
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Post by: churnbabychurn on April 14, 2017, 05:54:19 PM
Best is when BK knows how to handle it properly.
 IE an excessively long pause, wait till everyone settles down and finishes doing it, and only then say koeila...
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: mmgfarb on April 14, 2017, 05:54:48 PM
Best is when BK knows how to handle it properly.
 IE an excessively long pause, wait till everyone settles down and finishes doing it, and only then say koeila...
Yep, gotta love it
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: m.m. on April 14, 2017, 06:04:04 PM
Best is when BK knows how to handle it properly.
 IE an excessively long pause, wait till everyone settles down and finishes doing it, and only then say koeila...
it so funny the reactions in shul then, many people confused
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: ben89 on April 14, 2017, 06:14:10 PM
I've yet to figure out why everybody does it here. What's so different than every other time? It's like those people who say random words with the chazan by chazaras hashatz by shabbos mincha...
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Post by: yelped on April 15, 2017, 10:27:18 PM
I've yet to figure out why everybody does it here. What's so different than every other time? It's like those people who say random words with the chazan by chazaras hashatz by shabbos mincha...
Probably because you lein the same Maftir for 8 days in a row, so people are familiar with the trop by then. As opposed to Sukkos for example.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on April 16, 2017, 12:17:45 AM
Best is when BK knows how to handle it properly.
 IE an excessively long pause, wait till everyone settles down and finishes doing it, and only then say koeila...
Reminds me of stopping for "המן" by megilla
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: aygart on April 16, 2017, 12:23:59 AM
I've yet to figure out why everybody does it here. What's so different than every other time? It's like those people who say random words with the chazan by chazaras hashatz by shabbos mincha...
it is common for many azla geresh's
Probably because you lein the same Maftir for 8 days in a row, so people are familiar with the trop by then. As opposed to Sukkos for example.
The differences from day to day on sukkos are very slight.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Freddie on April 16, 2017, 01:21:36 AM
I've yet to figure out why everybody does it here. What's so different than every other time? It's like those people who say random words with the chazan by chazaras hashatz by shabbos mincha...

+1

Seriously explain to me how this started. Why not pick any random word to sing along with. Is there a deeper meaning?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on April 16, 2017, 07:28:43 AM
+1

Seriously explain to me how this started. Why not pick any random word to sing along with. Is there a deeper meaning?
it is common for many azla geresh's
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Boruch999 on April 16, 2017, 08:51:06 AM
it is common for many azla geresh's
+1
katonti
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: ben89 on April 16, 2017, 09:44:04 AM
rav of a shul i davened at on yom tov said its the am ha'aratzim "saying" that they also know the trup
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: yelped on April 16, 2017, 10:10:33 AM
it is common for many azla geresh'sThe differences from day to day on sukkos are very slight.
Correct, but as far as I remember, the leining on Sukkos has no azla geresh's.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: aygart on April 16, 2017, 10:43:23 AM
Correct, but as far as I remember, the leining on Sukkos has no azla geresh's.
correct, but the diehards do the darga svirs instead and there are plenty of those
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on April 16, 2017, 11:59:25 AM
rav of a shul i davened at on yom tov said its the am ha'aratzim "saying" that they also know the trup

I wouldn't want to be a member in his shul.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 16, 2017, 01:30:48 PM
I wouldn't want to be a member in his shul.
What's wrong with a rabbi criticizing inappropriate behavior?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Freddie on April 16, 2017, 01:34:27 PM
Is an azla geresh like a siren song with mesmerizing powers?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: aygart on April 16, 2017, 03:16:58 PM
Is an azla geresh like a siren song with mesmerizing powers?
There actually is a science behind which tunes are more likely to induce people to sing along.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: aygart on April 16, 2017, 03:17:45 PM
I wouldn't want to be a member in his shul.
Many of his members are probably there specifically because he says these things.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: myi on April 16, 2017, 05:06:56 PM
I find amusing when the baal korreh goes on without pausing for Ki"e-y-l-e-h and the tzibbur looks at each other all thinking is the baar koreh feeling ok?
Lol

 I personally enjoy it, you know it's yom tov when you hear those ki"e-y-l-e-hs.. but to each there own..
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Dan on April 16, 2017, 06:07:55 PM
Better when it's Ku-ayleh
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: joe1234 on April 16, 2017, 06:09:04 PM
Better when it's Ku-ayleh
Git gezoogt!
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Post by: myi on April 16, 2017, 06:25:10 PM
Better when it's Ku-ayleh
Believe it or not I woke up a bit late and I can always rely on them for a minyan, so I ended up davening by them many times so far whether chol Hamoed or on Yom tov. They definitely top it from everyone, they know how to do it the best. Lol ;)
 Besides for the beautiful davening they have.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: aygart on April 16, 2017, 06:56:57 PM
I find amusing when the baal korreh goes on without pausing for Ki"e-y-l-e-h and the tzibbur looks at each other all thinking is the baar koreh feeling ok?
Lol

 I personally enjoy it, you know it's yom tov when you hear those ki"e-y-l-e-hs.. but to each there own..
ki'eyleh is definitely wrong pronunciation. The kof has a komatz
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Post by: Lou Bob on April 16, 2017, 07:41:22 PM
You know you're oot when the baal koreh says the word, and the whole place is silent.
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Post by: yitrap on April 16, 2017, 07:45:08 PM
You know you're oot when the baal koreh says the word, and the whole place is silent.
+1
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Post by: thaber on April 16, 2017, 09:27:02 PM
You know you're oot when the baal koreh says the word, and the whole place is silent.
Where have you been davening?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on April 18, 2017, 10:08:20 PM
Had a Sephardi leining, no כאלה
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on April 19, 2017, 03:04:24 AM
Best is when BK knows how to handle it properly.
 IE an excessively long pause, wait till everyone settles down and finishes doing it, and only then say koeila...
Happened in the shul I davened at, except half the shul knew it was coming, waited a few seconds and said it along with the bk anyway.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: myi on April 19, 2017, 12:11:52 PM
Happened in the shul I davened at, except half the shul knew it was coming, waited a few seconds and said it along with the bk anyway.
After a whole yom tov of practice,
 I sure hope the last days they knew when to say it and when the BK would say it.. ;)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: chaimmayer on April 19, 2017, 01:40:18 PM
Nice thread looking forward to seeing it again next year.
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Post by: beeweegee on April 19, 2017, 03:01:17 PM
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Post by: Menachem613 on April 19, 2017, 03:21:18 PM
Had a Sephardi leining, no כאלה


Sure you were Yotzah?
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Post by: myi on April 19, 2017, 04:43:45 PM
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My like ability does not seem to work now.. so I will have to manually like your post with verbal talk.. post LIKED. ;) lol
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on April 19, 2017, 05:05:06 PM

Sure you were Yotzah?
I need to ask a sheila
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on April 20, 2017, 12:55:25 AM
My like ability does not seem to work now.. so I will have to manually like your post with verbal talk.. post LIKED. ;) lol
Lol. New definition for likeability.
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Post by: Barryg on April 20, 2017, 02:13:33 AM
Nice thread looking forward to seeing it again next year.
Maybe it should be revived by Parshas Pinchas as well...
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Post by: beeweegee on April 20, 2017, 10:00:52 AM
My like ability does not seem to work now.. so I will have to manually like your post with verbal talk.. post LIKED. ;) lol
Nu, use the like button! >:(
-Freddie
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Post by: myi on April 20, 2017, 02:11:41 PM
Nu, use the like button! >:(
-Freddie
I'm using a BlackBerry classic and lots of times the like function disappears, maybe I click the button too much! ;)
 But now it's back working so I tried to make up for the missed work... lol
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 20, 2017, 06:41:25 PM
+1

Seriously explain to me how this started. Why not pick any random word to sing along with. Is there a deeper meaning?
it is common for many azla geresh's
+1
katonti
They say that a baal koreh once came to the Satmar Rav Z"L to complain that his income is not enough for him to make ends meet. The Satmar Rav asked him, "and the kehilla never helps you out??!". The man replied, "Yes, twice a year, by katonti and by halo heima..."
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on April 20, 2017, 07:54:08 PM


They say that a baal koreh once came to the Satmar Rav Z"L to complain that his income is not enough for him to make ends meet. The Satmar Rav asked him, "and the kehilla never helps you out??!". The man replied, "Yes, twice a year, by katonti and by halo heima..."

Major disappointment when BK uses reveis for katonti instead.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on April 20, 2017, 08:20:16 PM

Major disappointment when BK uses reveis for katonti instead.

Machlokes. Revii for me...
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Post by: good sam on April 20, 2017, 08:53:46 PM
Machlokes. Revii for me...
How do you know? Is it just what your tikkun happens to say or you have a mesorah?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on April 20, 2017, 08:56:03 PM
How do you know? Is it just what your tikkun happens to say or you have a mesorah?

Mesorah in my chassidus for this particular way.
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Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 20, 2017, 09:10:40 PM

Major disappointment when BK uses reveis for katonti instead.
How do you know? Is it just what your tikkun happens to say or you have a mesorah?
I'm a BK and use reviis just for that! Mesora for me to unnerve people...  ;D The expression on the faces is just priceless!
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Post by: koplonko on April 21, 2017, 02:57:08 AM
I'm a BK and use reviis just for that! Mesora for me to unnerve people...  ;D The expression on the faces is just priceless!
You should really look inside when you lein, not on people's faces
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Post by: myi on April 21, 2017, 03:52:40 AM
You should really look inside when you lein, not on people's faces
:-X
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Post by: Barryg on April 21, 2017, 02:38:16 PM
You should really look inside when you lein, not on people's faces
peripheral vision
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Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 23, 2017, 01:56:59 PM
You should really look inside when you lein, not on people's faces
True, true. But for priceless expressions...    ;D
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: username on July 15, 2017, 10:52:58 PM
Nobody bumped this...I almost missed it.
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Post by: JACKBLUE on July 15, 2017, 10:55:11 PM
Was thinking the same!
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Post by: ben89 on July 15, 2017, 11:19:45 PM
Everyone by me was sleeping
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on July 16, 2017, 03:18:10 PM
If you look up the true definition of כאלה you will find that it has a total different meaning on the 8th day of pesach, when all you need for your system is a big plunger, than it has when you're up in the mountains in a serene atmosphere of your summer-home and beyond...
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: hide4 on July 16, 2017, 03:23:34 PM
If you look up the true definition of כאלה you will find that it has a total different meaning on the 8th day of pesach, when all you need for your system is a big plunger, than it has when you're up in the mountains in a serene atmosphere of your summer-home and beyond...
Lol ;D
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Post by: MeirS on July 16, 2017, 06:26:39 PM
As I was Leining this yesterday, I thought I better bump this thread after Shabbos but obviously I promptly forgot until I saw this.
If you look up the true definition of כאלה you will find that it has a total different meaning on the 8th day of pesach, when all you need for your system is a big plunger, than it has when you're up in the mountains in a serene atmosphere of your summer-home and beyond...
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: myi on March 30, 2018, 07:05:55 PM
Back alive..b"h waited patiently for this.
 Imagine a tom tov without this? (Wouldn't be able to imagine!)
😉
  Good yom tov to all of ddf family.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: njmacman on March 31, 2018, 02:35:06 PM
It was great experiencing it again today. Never fails to impress!
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Freddie on April 01, 2018, 09:36:37 PM
You can all amuse yourselves by clicking this as many times as your heart desires.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ6PHClN-VM&t=1m19s
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: 12HRS on April 01, 2018, 10:32:03 PM
Oh man. I got Chamishi today and I was standing right there when כאלה came up... was so hard not to outdo the BK
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: davidrotts63 on April 01, 2018, 10:35:57 PM
Oh man. I got Chamishi today and I was standing right there when כאלה came up... was so hard not to outdo the BK
Lol. So you bought yourself an aliyah?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: hvaces42 on April 01, 2018, 11:12:50 PM
You can all amuse yourselves by clicking this as many times as your heart desires.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ6PHClN-VM&t=1m19s
Not anywhere near what it should sound like.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: ben89 on April 01, 2018, 11:20:48 PM
Lol. So you bought yourself an aliyah?
where I davened they didnít sell aliyos
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Dr Moose on April 02, 2018, 12:29:25 AM
Oh man. I got Chamishi today and I was standing right there when כאלה came up... was so hard not to outdo the BK
I did too. I was for sure louder than him though.
Title: "כאלה"
Post by: mmgfarb on April 15, 2018, 02:39:23 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180415/b25d69868a0d02ed40f8fd60fa275d0b.jpg)
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Post by: Joe4007 on April 15, 2018, 11:13:31 AM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180415/b25d69868a0d02ed40f8fd60fa275d0b.jpg)
ALOL.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: letav_aved on April 17, 2018, 07:00:47 AM
Lol
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Post by: plainbachur on July 07, 2018, 05:19:34 PM
bump
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Post by: myi on July 07, 2018, 05:24:29 PM
bump
בעל קורה just flew by. >:(
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: bb1836 on July 07, 2018, 09:54:10 PM
בעל קורה just flew by. >:(
oh we got him all right!!!
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Dr Moose on July 07, 2018, 11:01:12 PM
I was the only one in my shul.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: happinessNsunshine on July 07, 2018, 11:14:16 PM
I was the only one in my shul.
There was no minyan?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: yelped on July 07, 2018, 11:31:35 PM
I was the only one in my shul who made a deal of the כאלה.
There was no minyan?
FTFH.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: username on February 28, 2019, 09:46:33 AM
ואת האלף is another
There is a mekor in Rishonim and Achronim to say this loud! (Pikudai...Next week...)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Definitions on February 28, 2019, 09:56:20 AM
There is a mekor in Rishonim and Achronim to say this loud! (Pikudai...Next week...)
Where?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: username on February 28, 2019, 11:12:52 AM
There is a mekor in Rishonim and Achronim to say this loud! (Pikudai...Next week...)

The baal koreh should read louder, based on a Tanchumah {Pikudai 7} that says that Moshe said it loudly.

עִם שֶׁהוּא עוֹשֶׂה חֶשְׁבּוֹן וְהוֹלֵךְ עַל כָּל דָּבָר וְדָבָר שֶׁעֲשׂוּיִין כַּסֵּדֶר בְּתוֹךְ הַמִּשְׁכָּן, שָׁכַח אֶלֶף וְשְׁבַע מֵאוֹת וַחֲמִשָּׁה וְשִׁבְעִים שֶׁקֶל שֶׁעָשָׂה מֵהֶן וָוִין לָעַמּוּדִין וְלֹא הָיוּ נִרְאִין. הִתְחִיל עוֹמֵד תָּמֵּהַּ וְאוֹמֵר: עַכְשָׁו יִמְצְאוּ יְדֵיהֶם שֶׁל יִשְׂרָאֵל עָלַי לוֹמַר, שֶׁאֲנִי נָטַלְתִּי אוֹתָם. וְהוּא חוֹזֵר לָבוֹא עַל כָּל מְלָאכָה וּמְלָאכָה. מִיָּד הֵאִיר הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא אֶת עֵינָיו, וְתָלָה עֵינָיו וְרָאָה שֶׁהָיוּ עֲשׂוּיִין וָוִין לָעַמּוּדִים. הִתְחִיל לְהָשִׁיב לָהֶם בְּקוֹל רָם, וְאֶת הָאֶלֶף וּשְׁבַע הַמֵּאוֹת וַחֲמִשָּׁה וְשִׁבְעִים עָשָׂה וָוִים לָעַמּוּדִים. בְּאוֹתָהּ שָׁעָה נִתְפַּיְּסוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל. מִי גָרַם לוֹ. עַל יְדֵי שֶׁיָּשַׁב וְעָשָׂה חֶשְׁבּוֹן, אֵלֶּה פְקוּדֵי הַמִּשְׁכָּן.


Maayan Bais Hashoevah
Kol Dodi (Talmud of R' Meir Arik)
Paneach Raza -See hagahos of Mharal Miprague
Tosafos Hashalem al Hatorah.

(HT: Rav Y.D. Schlesinger)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2019, 01:13:23 PM
The baal koreh should read louder, based on a Tanchumah {Pikudai 7} that says that Moshe said it loudly.

עִם שֶׁהוּא עוֹשֶׂה חֶשְׁבּוֹן וְהוֹלֵךְ עַל כָּל דָּבָר וְדָבָר שֶׁעֲשׂוּיִין כַּסֵּדֶר בְּתוֹךְ הַמִּשְׁכָּן, שָׁכַח אֶלֶף וְשְׁבַע מֵאוֹת וַחֲמִשָּׁה וְשִׁבְעִים שֶׁקֶל שֶׁעָשָׂה מֵהֶן וָוִין לָעַמּוּדִין וְלֹא הָיוּ נִרְאִין. הִתְחִיל עוֹמֵד תָּמֵּהַּ וְאוֹמֵר: עַכְשָׁו יִמְצְאוּ יְדֵיהֶם שֶׁל יִשְׂרָאֵל עָלַי לוֹמַר, שֶׁאֲנִי נָטַלְתִּי אוֹתָם. וְהוּא חוֹזֵר לָבוֹא עַל כָּל מְלָאכָה וּמְלָאכָה. מִיָּד הֵאִיר הַקָּדוֹשׁ בָּרוּךְ הוּא אֶת עֵינָיו, וְתָלָה עֵינָיו וְרָאָה שֶׁהָיוּ עֲשׂוּיִין וָוִין לָעַמּוּדִים. הִתְחִיל לְהָשִׁיב לָהֶם בְּקוֹל רָם, וְאֶת הָאֶלֶף וּשְׁבַע הַמֵּאוֹת וַחֲמִשָּׁה וְשִׁבְעִים עָשָׂה וָוִים לָעַמּוּדִים. בְּאוֹתָהּ שָׁעָה נִתְפַּיְּסוּ יִשְׂרָאֵל. מִי גָרַם לוֹ. עַל יְדֵי שֶׁיָּשַׁב וְעָשָׂה חֶשְׁבּוֹן, אֵלֶּה פְקוּדֵי הַמִּשְׁכָּן.


Maayan Bais Hashoevah
Kol Dodi (Talmud of R' Meir Arik)
Paneach Raza -See hagahos of Mharal Miprague
Tosafos Hashalem al Hatorah.

(HT: Rav Y.D. Schlesinger)

בספר מאמרי אדמו"ר הזקן על פרשיות התורה בראשית-שמות (עמודים תיט-תכא), איתא: "ואת האלף ושבע מאות . . זהו רמז על קץ הימין שיהי' ב"ב . . והנה קע"ב שנה מאלף הרביעי וכל אלף החמישי ותר"ג מאלף הששי עולה מספרם אלף ושבעה  מאות וחמשה ושבעים. וזהו רמז בפ' הנ"ל ואת האלף ושבע מאות וחמשה ושבעים עשה ווים לעמודים שזה זמן משך הגלות".

See page 21 here (http://old2.ih.chabad.info/images/notimage/84284_he_1.pdf) for a discussion about this.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: gozalim on February 28, 2019, 03:51:15 PM
See page 21 here (http://old2.ih.chabad.info/images/notimage/84284_he_1.pdf) for a discussion about this.
use this url
http://old2.ih.chabad.info/images/notimage/84284_he_1.pdf#page=21
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: myi on April 22, 2019, 02:27:51 AM
Back alive..b"h waited patiently for this.
 Imagine a tom tov without this? (Wouldn't be able to imagine!)
😉
  Good yom tov to all of ddf family.
... Gitten Moed to all.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: 613Ari on April 22, 2019, 03:02:26 AM
... Gitten Moed to all.

Very loud in my shul yesterday ;D, but today the bk waited so no one said it :'(

What is the real reason behind the Kuayleh?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Menachem613 on April 22, 2019, 11:32:25 AM
Very loud in my shul yesterday ;D, but today the bk waited so no one said it :'(

What is the real reason behind the Kuayleh?

Itís brought down.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: 613Ari on April 22, 2019, 11:38:10 AM
Itís brought down.
where?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Menachem613 on April 22, 2019, 12:14:58 PM
where?

Not sure. But itís so ingrained there must be a Mesorah for it.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: 613Ari on April 22, 2019, 12:46:16 PM
Just Bec everyone does it, doesn't make it right?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: yelped on April 22, 2019, 12:50:22 PM
Not sure. But itís so ingrained there must be a Mesorah for it.
Come on.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on April 22, 2019, 01:29:53 PM
Itís brought down.
Not sure. But itís so ingrained there must be a Mesorah for it.
No
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: chief_mag on April 22, 2019, 01:48:06 PM
No
ב''י  א''ח ס' קכח ס''ח
 וכתוב בא"ח בשם בעל התמיד לא מצינו מי שכתב שצריך לרחוץ רגליו אבל כך נהגו באלו הארצות ומנהג ישראל תורה היא עכ"ל 
  ;)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: yelped on April 22, 2019, 02:10:57 PM
ב''י  א''ח ס' קכח ס''ח
 וכתוב בא"ח בשם בעל התמיד לא מצינו מי שכתב שצריך לרחוץ רגליו אבל כך נהגו באלו הארצות ומנהג ישראל תורה היא עכ"ל 
  ;)
Come on. Rabbenu Tam on first daf in Baba Basra.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: good sam on April 22, 2019, 02:12:11 PM
ב''י  א''ח ס' קכח ס''ח
 וכתוב בא"ח בשם בעל התמיד לא מצינו מי שכתב שצריך לרחוץ רגליו אבל כך נהגו באלו הארצות ומנהג ישראל תורה היא עכ"ל 
  ;)
Come on. Rabbenu Tam on first daf in Baba Basra.
No
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: chief_mag on April 23, 2019, 10:30:38 PM
Related.
Just Bec everyone does it, doesn't make it right?
True...
(סידור תורה אור. It's the first picture that is the point. The second is for context.)
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on July 28, 2019, 12:16:48 AM
Bump
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: grodnoking on July 28, 2019, 12:30:41 AM
Bump
Here
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: davidrotts63 on July 28, 2019, 12:34:20 AM
Lame
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Moshe123 on July 28, 2019, 12:48:46 AM
הקריאה מעורר הזמן.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Ekay on July 28, 2019, 01:10:53 AM
How did it go today?
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Definitions on July 28, 2019, 01:18:18 AM
It went like this כאלה
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on July 28, 2019, 08:27:28 AM
How did it go today?
Not a single person even muttered a hint of a "כאלה" where I davened.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: th0306 on July 28, 2019, 11:31:21 AM
Not a single person even muttered a hint of a "כאלה" where I davened.
Not all shittos hold that you are yotzei by doing it Parshas Pinchas - it may be toloy if you are yotzei parshas zachor by hearing it parshas ki seitzei
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: zh cohen on July 28, 2019, 12:36:22 PM
Not a single person even muttered a hint of a "כאלה" where I davened.

That's because the type of people that would do it are the same type of people that don't know that it's in Parshas Pinchas...
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Ekay on July 28, 2019, 06:51:39 PM
That's because the type of people that would do it are the same type of people that don't know that it's in Parshas Pinchas...
👌👌
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: as2 on July 29, 2019, 05:31:44 PM
That's because the type of people that would do it are the same type of people that don't know that it's in Parshas Pinchas...
I was with the type of people who just don't do it.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Yammer on July 29, 2019, 08:30:13 PM
I was with the type of people who just don't do it.
Now that's a sad moment...
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: Ekay on July 29, 2019, 10:23:46 PM
My bal Korah went to fast so no one realized
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: yitzgar on July 29, 2019, 10:28:00 PM
My bal Korah went to fast so no one realized
To summarize an earlier comment: those who know it's coming aren't the ones who do it. Those who do it generally aren't the types to know it's coming.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: njmacman on July 30, 2019, 01:24:51 PM
Nobody did it this week. I guess it is a Yom Tov thing.
Title: Re: "כאלה"
Post by: 613Ari on August 01, 2019, 02:13:28 AM
I guess no one has a such long attention span, vs peach whets laining is Much shorter