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Title: PSA - Stay Away From The Card Signup Farms Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 09:31:04 PM
Long story short - a friend of mine fell for this scam about 6 weeks ago, he was promised $2500 because his wife was not approved for CC's so he will only get half of $5k, okay fine. Today he recieved a check of $1500!!!!!!! When he called them up they claimed that they did not receive the bonus on one of the cards they opened for him   :o :o He asked "I have no idea what you're talking about, you told me you apply for the cards, you do the spending and I just get a check in the mail of $2500" they said they can't help him. They made off him 350,000 MR points (over $5,000 worth) and they gave him $1500. I have no words.

This is all besides the point that they did refundable tickets, deposited checks which had no coverage, and his account is under  a FR now.

I think it's time Dan should write up a post about them and reveal their scam.

I know about the other threads, but I opened this one so the title says the truth about them
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 11, 2014, 09:35:07 PM
Thread number 3?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43147.0
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=42938.0
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: bubble347 on September 11, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Long story short - a friend of mine fell for this scam about 6 weeks ago, he was promised $2500 because his wife was not approved for CC's so he will only get half of $5k, okay fine. Today he recieved a check of $1500!!!!!!! When he called them up they claimed that they did not receive the bonus on one of the cards they opened for him   :o :o He asked "I have no idea what you're talking about, you told me you apply for the cards, you do the spending and I just get a check in the mail of $2500" they said they can't help him. They made off him 350,000 MR points (over $5,000 worth) and they gave him $1500. I have no words.

This is all besides the point that they did refundable tickets, deposited checks which had no coverage, and his account is under  a FR now.

I think it's time Dan should write up a post about them and reveal their scam.
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avibrooklyn on September 11, 2014, 09:37:00 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584
fast fingers lol
i was looking for it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yossi1 on September 11, 2014, 09:41:27 PM
Long story short - a friend of mine fell for this scam about 6 weeks ago, he was promised $2500 because his wife was not approved for CC's so he will only get half of $5k, okay fine. Today he recieved a check of $1500!!!!!!! When he called them up they claimed that they did not receive the bonus on one of the cards they opened for him   :o :o He asked "I have no idea what you're talking about, you told me you apply for the cards, you do the spending and I just get a check in the mail of $2500" they said they can't help him. They made off him 350,000 MR points (over $5,000 worth) and they gave him $1500. I have no words.

This is all besides the point that they did refundable tickets, deposited checks which had no coverage, and his account is under  a FR now.

I think it's time Dan should write up a post about them and reveal their scam.

call up this guy  tell him or  he is giving you your money if not you are disputing the charges tell me how fast you will got you money
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 09:41:48 PM
I know about the other threads, but I opened this one so the title says the truth about them
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 09:42:42 PM
call up this guy  tell him or  he is giving you your money if not you are disputing the charges tell me how fast you will got you money
Which charges? The refundable United tickets?  :-X
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yeki89 on September 11, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Anyone with common sense stayed away already...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 11, 2014, 10:05:29 PM
Goodness. I went for this offer. Any way i can make sure not to get a FR?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 11, 2014, 10:06:45 PM
I think its OUR (The DDF family) responsibility to shut these guys down before havoc occurs.

We know what's going on.
We know what kind of trouble and chillul hashem it can bring out.

I think its time something is done before its to late.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 11, 2014, 10:09:55 PM
What are the FR folks asking for?

Why didn't he just take the points and run ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 10:10:23 PM
Goodness. I went for this offer. Any way i can make sure not to get a FR?
How long ago did you do it? Did they do the spending already?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 10:12:04 PM
What are the FR folks asking for?

Why didn't he just take the points and run ;)
He did not talk to the FR department, these guys told him they have connections and they will take care of it. (of curse they never did anything)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 11, 2014, 10:14:04 PM
Last week. I have no clue what he is spending and what he is doing with all my info :-( i regret  going to him! But too late :(
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 11, 2014, 10:18:53 PM
As if this only goes on in Lakewood...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: SOS on September 11, 2014, 10:21:37 PM
Last week. I have no clue what he is spending and what he is doing with all my info :-( i regret  going to him! But too late :(

Maybe call amex after they finish spending and say your identity was compromised and change login info and keep the points
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 10:22:26 PM
As if this only goes on in Lakewood...
unfortunately yes
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 11, 2014, 10:22:32 PM
He did not talk to the FR department, these guys told him they have connections and they will take care of it. (of curse they never did anything)
these guys normally want to pass the FR so that they can keep the points and also apply for more cards
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 11, 2014, 10:24:48 PM
If you don't talk to the FR guys then you're gonna have issues getting AMEX in the future as well.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 11, 2014, 10:27:24 PM
unfortunately yes
Well the ads are not only in Lakewood, I'll tell you that much
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 11, 2014, 10:30:10 PM
Well the ads are not only in Lakewood, I'll tell you that much
they advertise all over
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 11, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
Maybe call amex after they finish spending and say your identity was compromised and change login info and keep the points
I don't want to be a Ganav (perhaps its considered "Hagobav Min Haganav Puter...)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 11, 2014, 10:31:11 PM
I don't want to be a Ganav (perhaps its considered "Hagobav Min Haganav Puter...)
I would tell the whole story to a rav who will chap, and ask what you should do in this case.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 11, 2014, 10:32:29 PM
Why would you be a Ganav for taking your own points?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 11, 2014, 10:32:59 PM
Maybe call amex after they finish spending and say your identity was compromised and change login info and keep the points
already discussed in this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=42938.msg897229#msg897229) thread
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 11, 2014, 10:34:13 PM
Well the ads are not only in Lakewood, I'll tell you that much
Why should they limit themselves to Lakewood ? Its online & on the phone.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 11, 2014, 10:35:08 PM
I would tell the whole story to a rav who will chap, and ask what you should do in this case.
I don't want to start up with someone who knows my name, address, DOB, and social... would you?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 11, 2014, 10:38:28 PM
I don't want to start up with someone who knows my name, address, DOB, and social... would you?
If he does anything with your info without your permission you go right to the FBI.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 11, 2014, 11:19:00 PM
If it would be me I would:
A: change password and move the points to safety asap.
Immediately call amex, claim fraud. You never opened the accounts bla bla bla. FR will be gone and you live happily ever after.

(Optional step: you call the --- after step one, and give him 5 min to send you a chase QP or PP $3500)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 11, 2014, 11:20:21 PM
I don't want to start up with someone who knows my name, address, DOB, and social... would you?
If I knew HIS address I would... ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 11, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
If it would be me I would:
A: change password and move the points to safety asap.
Immediately call amex, claim fraud. You never opened the accounts bla bla bla. FR will be gone and you live happily ever after.

(Optional step: you call the --- after step one, and give him 5 min to send you a chase QP or PP $3500)
what proof do you have that you never opened the cards?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 11, 2014, 11:40:39 PM
what proof do you have that you never opened the cards?
To open that amount of cards somebody must be calling, pull the recording different voice
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: srap on September 11, 2014, 11:53:02 PM
To open that amount of cards somebody must be calling, pull the recording different voice
Correct, good thinking. 


Are these the guys who had a booth at the Parnassah Convention a while back?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 12:32:48 AM
He did not talk to the FR department, these guys told him they have connections and they will take care of it. (of curse they never did anything)
Was he told beforehand that he'll only get the full amount if all cards get approved & all points post ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 12:35:30 AM
Was he told beforehand that he'll only get the full amount if all cards get approved & all points post ?
No and no. He was told after he was approved that he will get $2.5k
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on September 12, 2014, 12:59:58 AM
This weeks Torah Times it's on the back cover and another one inside
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ckmk47 on September 12, 2014, 01:47:29 AM
I don't want to start up with someone who knows my name, address, DOB, and social... would you?
Forgo the points.  Call him and tell him you changed your mind and are closing the cards.  Then close all the accounts.  Get a credit monitoring service.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 12, 2014, 02:07:04 AM
This weeks Torah Times it's on the back cover and another one inside
Is there an email address for the editor of Torah Times? I'd be happy to drop him a line regarding the true nature of his advertisers
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 12, 2014, 02:13:53 AM
Does Zman and Ami still advertise this?

Mishpacha, Yated and Hamodia stopped.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 02:19:29 AM
Is there an email address for the editor of Torah Times? I'd be happy to drop him a line regarding the true nature of his advertisers
Its not the magazines job to vet the advertiser. Just like they don't vet the ticket fighter who promises to get rid of your ticket & they don't check the validity of a hechsher on a restaurant. Every person has to use his own brain not to get fooled into these scams.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 12, 2014, 02:27:34 AM
Its not the magazines job to vet the advertiser. Just like they don't vet the ticket fighter who promises to get rid of your ticket & they don't check the validity of a hechsher on a restaurant. Every person has to use his own brain not to get fooled into these scams.
I would venture that all publications vet advertisers. They wouldn't accept an ad from someone who clearly had a business that ran counter to Torah values, or was clearly illegal. It should be pointed out to the publisher that this is clearly both.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: htg123 on September 12, 2014, 02:32:14 AM
Bkitzur....this story and Dan's scam story need to go public..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 02:32:33 AM
I would venture that all publications vet advertisers. They wouldn't accept an ad from someone who clearly had a business that ran counter to Torah values, or was clearly illegal. It should be pointed out to the publisher that this is clearly both.
The ad doesn't say "we will lie & cheat". It says "you could make thousands". Other ads say that they will save you hundreds or thousands. It's not the salesmans job to interrogate him on how he'll do it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 02:33:59 AM
Bkitzur....this story and Dan's scam story need to go public..
This story is public.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 12, 2014, 02:37:03 AM
The ad doesn't say "we will lie & cheat". It says "you could make thousands". Other ads say that they will save you hundreds or thousands. It's not the salesmans job to interrogate him on how he'll do it.
Maybe.  What if it's pointed out to the salesman?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 02:42:00 AM
  What if it's pointed out to the salesman?
100%. Although he'll lose his commission.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 12, 2014, 02:46:33 AM
100%. Although he'll lose his commission.
So that's why I asked for the email address of the publisher.  To let him know,  and help out innocent readers.  I'm Dan lkaf zchus that he is not aware.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 03:05:55 AM
I feel bad for you people that fell into this scam. I wouldn't give anybody my SSN and info no matter how much money they offered me.
On the other hand, I've been wondering for a while how these scam artists have such an easy time opening up cc's for people. I have close friends who asked me to help them out to open up a credit or 2 so they can get some points and money. Together we sat in front of my computer and filled out the apps. And had to call recon once and I called with phone on speaker and him sitting next to me to help me with the answers. Sometimes they ask such weird questions - previous addresses, siblings names, car colors, etc, how in the world can these scammers answer all these questions?!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 03:08:39 AM
I have an idea if you want to try to shut them down. In the same magazines that they advertise in, you put an add with the kol koreh that went out a few months ago bashing these people.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 03:13:59 AM
I have an idea if you want to try to shut them down. In the same magazines that they advertise in, you put an add with the kol koreh that went out a few months ago bashing these people.
Good idea.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 03:41:51 AM
Good idea.
if you need help with money for the adds, make a campaign, I'm sure people will donate.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 12, 2014, 04:14:18 AM
I feel bad for you people that fell into this scam. I wouldn't give anybody my SSN and info no matter how much money they offered me.
On the other hand, I've been wondering for a while how these scam artists have such an easy time opening up cc's for people. I have close friends who asked me to help them out to open up a credit or 2 so they can get some points and money. Together we sat in front of my computer and filled out the apps. And had to call recon once and I called with phone on speaker and him sitting next to me to help me with the answers. Sometimes they ask such weird questions - previous addresses, siblings names, car colors, etc, how in the world can these scammers answer all these questions?!
+1
I ounce tried to help a friend by calling recon for him with his info.
They smelled somthing funny and started asking the strangest qoustions like what streets intersect with the one I put on file as my address so I had to hang up and he didint get approved.
How are they oppening so meny cards for people with no amex history without raising red flags?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: dunoff88 on September 12, 2014, 05:24:40 AM
Come to think of it, I havnt seen those ads in a while in the local lakewood papers.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 05:26:39 AM
It's still in the zman, ami, and mishpacha
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 12, 2014, 06:07:16 AM

(perhaps its considered "Hagobav Min Haganav Puter...)
sonething belongs where those dots are
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cozmohoot on September 12, 2014, 06:39:12 AM
Front page of the fjj in Brooklyn last week. Editor@thefjj.com
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lubaby on September 12, 2014, 06:59:16 AM
Front page of the fjj in Brooklyn last week. Editor@thefjj.com
http://www.flipdocs.com/showbook.aspx?ID=10002477_286702#2
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 12, 2014, 08:14:48 AM
Forgo the points.  Call him and tell him you changed your mind and are closing the cards.  Then close all the accounts.  Get a credit monitoring service.
Is it worth to drop out now after getting some credit pulls, When i can make 2k just to avoid a FR?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 08:18:38 AM
Is it worth to drop out now after getting some credit pulls
YES! the pulls wont even be noticed in a few months and will eventually fall off your report entirely.
just to avoid a FR?
you call a FR a "JUST"?!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 12, 2014, 08:24:58 AM
YES! the pulls wont even be noticed in a few months and will eventually fall off your report entirely. you call a FR a "JUST"?!
Whats the big issue of a FR they will see how much i filed by the IRS and they usually let it open. The only thing that bothers me is the Chilul Hashem.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 12, 2014, 08:39:52 AM

Whats the big issue of a FR they will see how much i filed by the IRS and they usually let it open. The only thing that bothers me is the Chilul Hashem.
you can check out the FR thread to see what the big deal is.
Who says a FR is your biggest concern? I was speaking to someone recently who got blacklisted from Amex for these refundable shticks and he would of passed an FR.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: srap on September 12, 2014, 08:44:27 AM
1.  Damage has already been done by these people, AND 
2.  The longer we wait to shut them down, the deeper they are going to get into trouble trying to make ends meet. 
3.  The deeper they get, the shadier/more desperate their actions.
4.  The shadier their actions, the worse of a name they will be creating for making $$/miles from CCs.
5.  The worse of a name they make,....woe is on us.


6.  Anyone willing to spearhead a campaign with a bunch of us behind you preparing the next moves for you?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 12, 2014, 08:49:58 AM
I have an idea if you want to try to shut them down. In the same magazines that they advertise in, you put an add with the kol koreh that went out a few months ago bashing these people.
For that to be effective you will need to have more signatures than just Lakewood rabbonim.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 12, 2014, 08:53:37 AM
When this explodes, it will hurt our pockets in a big way.
We also have a big financial interest to bring them down.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 08:54:59 AM
For that to be effective you will need to have more signatures than just Lakewood rabbonim.
R shmuel kamenetsky is on the list of signatures, and you can call him for more details like dan did http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43147.0
If you want R shmuel kamenetsky's phone number, PM me
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 08:55:27 AM
When this explodes, it will hurt our pockets in a big way.
We also have a big financial interest to bring them down.
so lets get to work and make something happen
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 08:59:36 AM
Why exactly does this bother everybody so much? anybody with half a brain knows this probably isnt 100% kosher but they want the money its not a scam they pay the money when they get the points? Its not like scam games etc where you will never see money? Worst case scenario you get fr'ed and cant get another amex? whats the big problem
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 12, 2014, 09:01:41 AM
Why exactly does this bother everybody so much? anybody with half a brain knows this probably isnt 100% kosher but they want the money its not a scam they pay the money when they get the points? Its not like scam games etc where you will never see money? Worst case scenario you get fr'ed and cant get another amex? whats the big problem
Did you see the OP?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 12, 2014, 09:03:41 AM
R shmuel kamenetsky is on the list of signatures, and you can call him for more details like dan did http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43147.0
If you want R shmuel kamenetsky's phone number, PM me
I don't need more details. I am saying that this will be needed for such a strategy to be effective in some non Lakewood communities
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 09:04:48 AM
Did you see the OP?
Im assuming they say al tenai you get approved
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 12, 2014, 09:06:12 AM
Why exactly does this bother everybody so much? anybody with half a brain knows this probably isnt 100% kosher but they want the money its not a scam they pay the money when they get the points? Its not like scam games etc where you will never see money? Worst case scenario you get fr'ed and cant get another amex? whats the big problem

Because it will explode sooner rather than later and it's going to hurt us big time.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 12, 2014, 09:06:56 AM
Who's starting a crowdfunding thread to raise money to run ads exposing these people's tactics?

It's worth every dollar. One credit card being declined a year from now because of it is a bigger loss than any money you need to invest in it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on September 12, 2014, 09:06:58 AM
The kol koreh against MS was probably directed at them more than us
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 09:07:25 AM
Because it will explode sooner rather than later and it's going to hurt us big time.
Us credit card signer uppers or us jews?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: srap on September 12, 2014, 09:17:51 AM
Why exactly does this bother everybody so much? ..... whats the big problem
The kol koreh against MS was probably directed at them more than us
We may think that, but not most of the world out there who hears what we do.
When this explodes, it will hurt our pockets in a big way.
We also have a big financial interest to bring them down.

so lets get to work and make something happen

I already have two people.  PM me if you are interested in self preservation.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 12, 2014, 09:43:29 AM
For the person that needs the 5k is this really that bad?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ckmk47 on September 12, 2014, 09:46:09 AM

 Is it worth to drop out now after getting some credit pulls, When i can make 2k just to avoid a FR?

 
a) So you don't mind his shady cc practices if you can benefit.  You already showed your stripes by signing up with him - you saw dollar signs.   
b) You intend to let hem do the work and THEN shut him down and take the points - so stealing his work is ok.             
c) He has your SS# ! Don't play hardball with a scam artist.

So if you're not worried about anything said in this thread, just allow things the take their course and take the money he gives you and hope for the best.   But earlier you expressed concern at what you may have gotten into.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 12, 2014, 09:46:42 AM
For the person that needs the 5k is this really that bad?
He should do it by himself, open ccs, spend & earn!
If he really needs it!
Because the other way is just "NOT" an option.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 12, 2014, 09:49:16 AM
For the person that needs the 5k is this really that bad?
so someone who does some dumb things In Walmart is bad, but this isn't?! Which outcome is worse in the long run?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 12, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
He should do it by himself, open ccs, spend & earn!
If he really needs it!
Because the other way is just "NOT" an option.
For someone that does not have the know-how/patience/interest in doing the work, why is it that bad? It's an easy couple thousand and 99% of the people have no issues.

(just playing devils advocate here)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 12, 2014, 09:52:27 AM
He should do it by himself, open ccs, spend & earn!
If he really needs it!
Because the other way is just "NOT" an option.
the average person does not know how to open 4 biz gold cards at a time or even where to get the sign up bonuses for such cards
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 12, 2014, 09:54:48 AM
the average person does not know how to open 4 biz gold cards at a time or even where to get the sign up bonuses for such cards

For someone that does not have the know-how/patience/interest in doing the work, why is it that bad? It's an easy couple thousand and 99% of the people have no issues.

(just playing devils advocate here)
So don't,  but the other way is just not an option! Just like rubbing a bank isn't!  Even if u need the money.....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 12, 2014, 09:54:54 AM
He should do it by himself, open ccs, spend & earn!
If they had the knowledge they probably would. Is RT with Amex (not Citi) such a big deal?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 12, 2014, 09:56:47 AM
so someone who does some dumb things In Walmart is bad, but this isn't?! Which outcome is worse in the long run?
Very good question. For me it would be "dumb things in WM".
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 12, 2014, 09:56:50 AM


So don't,  but the other way is just not an option! Just like rubbing a bank isn't!  Even if u need the money.....
Why is it worse than doing it yourself


Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 10:04:52 AM
Why is it worse than doing it yourself
im with you for the ppl who need 5k its a great option just let them know they will prob get FR but who cares its in the best interest of these guys to fix that for you, how i dont know, you get 5k they get their points and lchaim ulshalom
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 10:06:40 AM
im with you for the ppl who need 5k its a great option just let them know they will prob get FR but who cares its in the best interest of these guys to fix that for you, how i dont know, you get 5k they get their points and lchaim ulshalom
Sorry, but with all due respect, you sound like your one of these farms.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 10:11:12 AM
Sorry, but with all due respect, you sound like your one of these farms.
I understand why it might sound like that but im way too lazy to do the kind of work these guys have to do...never happened
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: srap on September 12, 2014, 10:11:32 AM
For someone that does not have the know-how/patience/interest in doing the work, why is it that bad? It's an easy couple thousand and 99% of the people have no issues.

(just playing devils advocate here)
In all fairness, for those reasons, I actually thought of signing up with the people at the Parnassah Expo (is this the same group who had a booth there?)    When people unknowingly fall prey to shady actions that also affect me.....it's a different story.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: moka on September 12, 2014, 10:12:13 AM
For that to be effective you will need to have more signatures than just Lakewood rabbonim.
isn't there a website that makes koo korehs with any signature? 
You can even get dead rabbis to sign
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 10:25:38 AM
I understand why it might sound like that but im way too lazy to do the kind of work these guys have to do...never happened
No one on DDF would even back them the slightest.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 10:30:50 AM
No one on DDF would even back them the slightest.
im not backing them i just think that this attempt to  "expose" them is a little retarted
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Myccrabbi on September 12, 2014, 10:38:27 AM
im not backing them i just think that this attempt to  "expose" them is a little retarted
No its not, and it really sounds like you have some connection to a farm (friend/relative)if you say such a statement.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 10:39:19 AM
For that to be effective you will need to have more signatures than just Lakewood rabbonim.
Not necessarily, a big warning sign on the top could be quite effective. (Could even put a kid with tears in his eyes)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 10:41:25 AM
Im assuming they say al tenai you get approved
The OP said he was never told that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AnonymousUser on September 12, 2014, 11:00:44 AM
I have an idea if you want to try to shut them down. In the same magazines that they advertise in, you put an add with the kol koreh that went out a few months ago bashing these people.
That hasn't worked in the past. Why would it work now?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on September 12, 2014, 11:03:16 AM
One of my clients asked me about this advertisement that he can make $5000, I told him no way! you may get your money, but you have no idea who these people are, they can one day decide take your Info and all the other people who signed up with them, open credit cards have millions in credit lines have a party with them and run for there lives! what are you going to do then?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:04:39 AM
No its not, and it really sounds like you have some connection to a farm (friend/relative)if you say such a statement.
As I said before I just dont understand the outcry, I have no connection

The OP said he was never told that.
Assuming they did, would the problem be the same?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 11:13:26 AM
Assuming they did, would the problem be the same?
Then the victim can't complain if he doesn't get the 5k. But they're promising 5k.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 11:26:21 AM
As I said before I just dont understand the outcry, I have no connection
You don't understand the issue of giving someone else you identity?

You don't understand the issue of them acquiring points fraudulently?

You don't understand the issue of causing FR's or permanent blacklisting on peoples accounts?

This gotta come to a stop!


Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: rots5 on September 12, 2014, 11:29:24 AM
@op file identity theft. and they will have to prove IP addresses and phone records which never came from your phone to amex

@vacation dude - def file identity theft before they get a chance to use the cards... if anyone has called amex recently (i did 5 times today basically) theyre automated voice message in the beginning says if u suspect fraud we guarantee u 100% of ur money back....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:36:19 AM
You don't understand the issue of giving someone else you identity?

You don't understand the issue of them acquiring points fraudulently?

You don't understand the issue of causing FR's or permanent blacklisting on peoples accounts?

This gotta come to a stop!
The only valid tayna i hear is the acquiring points fraudulently. Otherwise if they want to give out their SSN thats their issue everybody knows those risks involved. and from what i understand they take care of the FR otherwise how do they get the points?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 12, 2014, 11:37:32 AM
The only valid tayna i hear is the acquiring points fraudulently. Otherwise if they want to give out their SSN thats their issue everybody knows those risks involved. and from what i understand they take care of the FR otherwise how do they get the points?
Do they?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 12, 2014, 11:39:22 AM
+1
I ounce tried to help a friend by calling recon for him with his info.
They smelled somthing funny and started asking the strangest qoustions like what streets intersect with the one I put on file as my address so I had to hang up and he didint get approved.
How are they oppening so meny cards for people with no amex history without raising red flags?
Check out this thread http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=29462.msg917740#msg917740
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:40:15 AM
Do they?
Def mashma. anybody opening that many cards would trigger an FR, so they prob have to deal with this problem often
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 11:40:26 AM
The only valid tayna i hear is the acquiring points fraudulently.
OK, That's enough.

I don't need you to agree on the other points.

Why would you back them then?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:42:17 AM
OK, That's enough.

I don't need you to agree on the other points.

Why would you back them then?
Im not backing anybody im just not lynching them like everybody else here
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 11:43:29 AM
Im not backing anybody im just not lynching them like everybody else here
And making fraudulent charges under other peoples cards isn't a reason to "lynch" them?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 12, 2014, 11:44:50 AM
Def mashma. anybody opening that many cards would trigger an FR, so they prob have to deal with this problem often
I bolded the part that you said that everyone knows the risk of handing over your identity to a scammer...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:46:49 AM
I bolded the part that you said that everyone knows the risk of handing over your identity to a scammer...
I think thats a valid assumption to make
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: rots5 on September 12, 2014, 11:47:31 AM
Im not backing anybody im just not lynching them like everybody else here
You sound like this is ur business...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:48:16 AM
You sound like this is ur business...
Rots you know me.... do you really think I would do this?? As I said before im way to lazy
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Myccrabbi on September 12, 2014, 11:48:46 AM


US credit card signer uppers or us jews?
hmmm...

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: rots5 on September 12, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
Rots you know me.... do you really think I would do this?? As I said before im way to lazy
sure sure... i only know a person just so well..... LOL ya i do know ur ultra lazy, im kidding around about it being ur business...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:49:50 AM
hmmm...
That applies to this entire forum
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 11:52:11 AM
@HowYaDoin - Can you answer me please.
And making fraudulent charges under other peoples cards isn't a reason to "lynch" them?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on September 12, 2014, 11:54:37 AM
http://www.jlaw.com/Articles/placingstumbling.html

people are oblivious and the ad makes them excited. they don't know the consequences.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 11:56:17 AM
@HowYaDoin - Can you answer me please.
I def dont think its something "we" need to lynch them for... do you know 100% this is called a fraudulent charge?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
As I said before I just dont understand the outcry, I have no connection
Assuming they did, would the problem be the same?
Sorry if I was not clear enough, HE WAS APPROVED FOR ALL THE CARDS. For some reason (which had nothing to do with him) Amex did not give them the bonus on one of the cards, (probably because the account is under FR and they couldn't charge the card)

He was told that once he is approved THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYHING. And he will get $2,500.

So today he called again, and the guy tells him "we didn't get the bonus on the Platinum, so you only get $1,500"  :o :o :o so he said, well I never had an Amex in my life, so he got lost and he says, ummm were you an additional user so he says yes, and this dude tells him OH that's why that's why (which is not true as we all know) So he tells him, I was an AU on a gold not on a Platinum, here he was al lost and he tells him call Amex we can't help you. Then my friend tells him that "you know my account is under FR" so he says YES, WE HAVE NO IDEA, WHO TOLD YOU THAT? So he answered, I called Amex anf they say they see RT bounced checks so my account is under FR, so that dude tells him, Okay call us back next weeks Monday.

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIERS AND SCAMMERS: WHEN HE ASKED THEM 2 WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE FR THEY TOLD HIM, "WE HAVE CONNECTIONS AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT" now suddenly they have no idea about the FR. They lie to him that it is his fault why he did not get the bonus.

HowYaDoin, what else can I help you with? Tell your friends that they made $5,000 off this guy, why are they only giving him $1,500 when he was promised to get $2,500?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mercaz1 on September 12, 2014, 12:04:10 PM
are they only doing checks or are they doing refundable tickets as well?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 12, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Sorry if I was not clear enough, HE WAS APPROVED FOR ALL THE CARDS. For some reason (which had nothing to do with him) Amex did not give them the bonus on one of the cards, (probably because the account is under FR and they couldn't charge the card)

He was told that once he is approved THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYHING. And he will get $2,500.

So today he called again, and the guy tells him "we didn't get the bonus on the Platinum, so you only get $1,500"  :o :o :o so he said, well I never had an Amex in my life, so he got lost and he says, ummm were you an additional user so he says yes, and this dude tells him OH that's why that's why (which is not true as we all know) So he tells him, I was an AU on a gold not on a Platinum, here he was al lost and he tells him call Amex we can't help you. Then my friend tells him that "you know my account is under FR" so he says YES, WE HAVE NO IDEA, WHO TOLD YOU THAT? So he answered, I called Amex anf they say they see RT bounced checks so my account is under FR, so that dude tells him, Okay call us back next weeks Monday.

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIERS AND SCAMMERS: WHEN HE ASKED THEM 2 WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE FR THEY TOLD HIM, "WE HAVE CONNECTIONS AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT" now suddenly they have no idea about the FR. They lie to him that it was hi fault why he did not get the bonus.

HowYaDoin, what else can I help you with? Tell your friends that they made $5,000 off this guy, why are they only giving him $1,500 when he was promised to get $2,500?
Dan its time for MS!

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 12, 2014, 12:06:50 PM
Sorry if I was not clear enough, HE WAS APPROVED FOR ALL THE CARDS. For some reason (which had nothing to do with him) Amex did not give them the bonus on one of the cards, (probably because the account is under FR and they couldn't charge the card)

He was told that once he is approved THEY TAKE CARE OF EVERYHING. And he will get $2,500.

So today he called again, and the guy tells him "we didn't get the bonus on the Platinum, so you only get $1,500"  :o :o :o so he said, well I never had an Amex in my life, so he got lost and he says, ummm were you an additional user so he says yes, and this dude tells him OH that's why that's why (which is not true as we all know) So he tells him, I was an AU on a gold not on a Platinum, here he was al lost and he tells him call Amex we can't help you. Then my friend tells him that "you know my account is under FR" so he says YES, WE HAVE NO IDEA, WHO TOLD YOU THAT? So he answered, I called Amex anf they say they see RT bounced checks so my account is under FR, so that dude tells him, Okay call us back next weeks Monday.

WHAT A BUNCH OF LIERS AND SCAMMERS: WHEN HE ASKED THEM 2 WEEKS AGO ABOUT THE FR THEY TOLD HIM, "WE HAVE CONNECTIONS AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT" now suddenly they have no idea about the FR. They lie to him that it was hi fault why he did not get the bonus.

HowYaDoin, what else can I help you with? Tell your friends that they made $5,000 off this guy, why are they only giving him $1,500 when he was promised to get $2,500?
I just texted them

In all seriousness I feel terrible for your friend and it sounds like he is getting scammed if they are lieing to ppl and not giving them their money then I take back everything I said here today, as I said earlier like you quotes I was going with the assumption that they say al tenai we get approved but if not lets go lynch their @$$s
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 12:08:03 PM
One day they're going to get the wrong person mad & he's going to take emails & recorded conversations to the Feds. There's only so many people you could cheat before someone puts a stop to it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 12, 2014, 12:08:25 PM
I just texted them

In all seriousness I feel terrible for your friend and it sounds like he is getting scammed if they are lieing to ppl and not giving them their money then I take back everything I said here today, as I said earlier like you quotes I was going with the assumption that they say al tenai we get approved but if not lets go lynch their @$$s
If someone puts together an ad I will put money towards it

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 12:13:17 PM
For the person that needs the 5k is this really that bad?
Would they only give it......

And yes getting blacklisted with Amex is not worth $5k, especially when you can do it all your self..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 12, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
What's this about "bounced checks"?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 12HRS on September 12, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
I feel bad for you people that fell into this scam. I wouldn't give anybody my SSN and info no matter how much money they offered me.

what if they offered you $50 mill? $500 Mill? 1 Billion...

at some point it becomes worth it ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 12, 2014, 12:32:55 PM
what if they offered you $50 mill? $500 Mill? 1 Billion...

at some point it becomes worth it ;)
For $5M I'll do it ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2014, 12:56:07 PM
What's this about "bounced checks"?
+1
RT bounced checks?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 12, 2014, 12:57:40 PM
For $5M I'll do it ;)
I will take 4.  :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 12:58:30 PM
what if they offered you $50 mill? $500 Mill? 1 Billion...

at some point it becomes worth it ;)
"Becomes worth it" ? With that kind of money I never want to hear the word amex again, & I don't care what my CS is.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 12, 2014, 12:59:59 PM
And yes getting blacklisted with Amex is not worth $5k, especially when you can do it all your self..
Here is a news flash. Amex could blacklist 70% or more of the population and it would not matter. I don't think the people signing up for the 5k care about an Amex blacklist.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 12, 2014, 01:00:56 PM
I will take 4.  :P
Didn't know you had such loose standards... :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 12, 2014, 01:01:42 PM
One day they're going to get the wrong person mad & he's going to take emails & recorded conversations to the Feds. There's only so many people you could cheat before someone puts a stop to it.
They can get cells next to each other.  ::)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 01:08:18 PM
What's this about "bounced checks"?
They charged a few hundred dollars on one card and they paid it off (2 times) with a check that had no coverage. So the Check bounced back  8)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 01:12:16 PM
+1
RT bounced checks?
two separate things, refundable tickets and checks that came back.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 12, 2014, 01:19:09 PM
They charged a few hundred dollars on one card and they paid it off (2 times) with a check that had no coverage. So the Check bounced back  8)
They used the cards for their personal use/business expenses also??!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2014, 01:22:52 PM
They charged a few hundred dollars on one card and they paid it off (2 times) with a check that had no coverage. So the Check bounced back  8)
What did they buy? And why?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 12, 2014, 02:05:52 PM
This is out of control.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on September 12, 2014, 02:13:14 PM
For the person that needs the 5k is this really that bad?
So its really you!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Joe4007 on September 12, 2014, 02:21:04 PM
+1
RT bounced checks?
That's what a bounced check does. Round Trip...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 02:22:51 PM
What did they buy? And why?
They used the cards for their personal use/business expenses also??!
See screenshot attached.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Joe4007 on September 12, 2014, 02:23:09 PM
One day they're going to get the wrong person mad & he's going to take emails & recorded conversations to the Feds. There's only so many people you could cheat before someone puts a stop to it.
If this'll happen it'll probably be a relative of someone who signed up. Call me stupid, but I don't think people who fell for this are the type of recording emails and going to the feds.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 02:35:42 PM
See screenshot attached.
Guys, when he called them to ask 2 weeks ago what this charge is and why they deposited a check that had no coverage two times they said ITS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET YOU THE $25000   

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 12, 2014, 02:39:51 PM
Guys, when he called them to ask 2 weeks ago what this charge is and why they deposited a check that had no coverage two times they said ITS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET YOU THE $25000   

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
These are sick people..... It's a mitzvah to keep people away from them
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Racer7400 on September 12, 2014, 02:57:15 PM
this definitely has to be stopped. many people have asked me my opinion on them and all of them have no idea what a FR is or hat you can be blacklisted or that they do fraudulent spending or all the other problems.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on September 12, 2014, 03:13:22 PM
Guys, when he called them to ask 2 weeks ago what this charge is and why they deposited a check that had no coverage two times they said ITS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET YOU THE $25000   

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I think you should add all these new posts to your first post so people can get the full picture right away.
Why is the fact that your friend didn't get his full money your biggest issue here?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: LoLo on September 12, 2014, 03:30:54 PM
Well the ads are not only in Lakewood, I'll tell you that much
Yeah, these ads run in all Williamsburg and borough park papers the last few months already, couldn't convince my brother in law not to do it :(
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: @Yehuda on September 12, 2014, 03:31:23 PM
Why didn't he just take the points and run ;)
Probably not smart enough to know the points have more value when used than sold. ;)

the average person does not know how to open 4 biz gold cards at a time or even where to get the sign up bonuses for such cards
Is there something I don't know about? Or was that just an example.


I feel bad for you people that fell into this scam. I wouldn't give anybody my SSN and info no matter how much money they offered me.
On the other hand, I've been wondering for a while how these scam artists have such an easy time opening up cc's for people. I have close friends who asked me to help them out to open up a credit or 2 so they can get some points and money. Together we sat in front of my computer and filled out the apps. And had to call recon once and I called with phone on speaker and him sitting next to me to help me with the answers. Sometimes they ask such weird questions - previous addresses, siblings names, car colors, etc, how in the world can these scammers answer all these questions?!
Seriously! I work my butt off to get approved on a 3bm for myself let alone for my wife, and these guys are doing this all day for strangers and they definitely don't know the answers to personal questions.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 12, 2014, 03:35:40 PM
Yeah, these ads run in all Williamsburg and borough park papers the last few months already, couldn't convince my brother in law not to do it :(
did he get the full money ? Any problems ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: LoLo on September 12, 2014, 03:46:35 PM
did he get the full money ? Any problems ?
Didn't talk to him after that yet
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 12, 2014, 03:51:37 PM
Here is a news flash. Amex could blacklist 70% or more of the population and it would not matter. I don't think the people signing up for the 5k care about an Amex blacklist.
That's not true. I know several people who you would assume to be in the 70% who can't get a work credit card because they're blacklisted, and affects their job performance.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 12, 2014, 03:53:19 PM
I think you should add all these new posts to your first post so people can get the full picture right away.
Why is the fact that your friend didn't get his full money your biggest issue here?
It's obviously the main issue..... My friend has no idea about FR, MS, he wants his money :(
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Drago on September 14, 2014, 08:48:21 AM
im with you for the ppl who need 5k its a great option just let them know they will prob get FR but who cares its in the best interest of these guys to fix that for you, how i dont know, you get 5k they get their points and lchaim ulshalom
Unless AMEX sends them a bill for the points...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 09:29:33 AM
Unless AMEX sends them a bill for the points...
Does amex try to recover points ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 14, 2014, 10:18:36 AM

im with you for the ppl who need 5k its a great option just let them know they will prob get FR but who cares its in the best interest of these guys to fix that for you, how i dont know, you get 5k they get their points and lchaim ulshalom
People need to pay for their ties (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36324.msg669289#msg669289) somehow.....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 14, 2014, 10:21:00 AM
People need to pay for their ties (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=36324.msg669289#msg669289) somehow.....
Im honored that my posts warrant being quoted a year after being written
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: SamKey on September 14, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
Didn't talk to him after that yet
I wouldn't either :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 14, 2014, 01:23:16 PM
So he called today to ask about his his $100 referral bonus that he didn't get, so the guy tells him "the accountant is not in today, call us back tomorrow"

Lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: SamKey on September 14, 2014, 01:24:58 PM
So who is going to be the one to step to the plate and do something? I pledge $50 towards ads etc.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 14, 2014, 01:30:55 PM
I am pledging $72 if we get at least $1000
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 14, 2014, 01:55:34 PM
I am pledging $72 if we get at least $1000

So who is going to be the one to step to the plate and do something? I pledge $50 towards ads etc.
Once well be setup up with a plan & all I'm sure most of us will help out.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 14, 2014, 01:56:35 PM
Once well be setup up with a plan & all I'm sure most of us will help out.
We need someone to design the ad.
Any here able to do that?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 14, 2014, 02:00:33 PM
We need someone to design the ad.
Any here able to do that?
Let's first get a loshon.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 14, 2014, 02:00:48 PM
ARe they going to address this here? (http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Page-1-of-1.jpg)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 14, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
We need someone to design the ad.
Any here able to do that?

I am pledging $72 if we get at least $1000
A one time ad won't do diddly squat
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 14, 2014, 02:08:20 PM
A one time ad won't do diddly squat
Aderabeh, give me an idea I am all ears!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 14, 2014, 02:09:07 PM
A one time ad won't do diddly squat
I think the purpose is to scare them off, more than teaching the dumb.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 14, 2014, 02:09:44 PM
Aderabeh, give me an idea I am all ears!
Don't know though I would like to quash these individuals biz just as much as anyone else
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 14, 2014, 02:15:22 PM
What's the status of your friend's FR?
Did he call and ask what they want?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 14, 2014, 03:01:02 PM
What's the status of your friend's FR?
Did he call and ask what they want?
AFAIK he did not call, he is scared they will ask him about all the refundable tickets etc...

He just saw online that charges are suspended.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 14, 2014, 03:07:56 PM
Why not call and see if anything can be done?
He has nothing else to lose at this point.  Probably going to be blacklisted either way.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 14, 2014, 03:27:24 PM
Why not call and see if anything can be done?
He has nothing else to lose at this point.  Probably going to be blacklisted either way.
Told him to do so. But he called and they are closed now.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 14, 2014, 03:35:19 PM
If he just reports that this all fraud. Won't Amex drop everything and he'll be fine?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 03:39:17 PM
If he just reports that this all fraud. Won't Amex drop everything and he'll be fine?
Is it that simple ? What stops anyone from going on a shopping spree & then claiming fraud ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 14, 2014, 03:40:29 PM
Is it that simple ? What stops anyone from going on a shopping spree & then claiming fraud ?
claim fraud on the entire credit card opening. That his identity was stolen
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 14, 2014, 03:58:34 PM
We need someone to design the ad.
Any here able to do that?
I can do that free of charge i just need words.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:09:40 PM
Keep in mind that if he's paying full year the magazine might hesitate to take a 1 or 2 time ad attacking him.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shulemw on September 14, 2014, 04:11:08 PM
My friend did it he got approved got a check a few weeks later
wife didn't get approved
they opened 1 plat biz and closed it
3 gold biz and left it open
spending was all RT
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 14, 2014, 04:12:10 PM
Is the plan of action just ads? As mentioned I doubt an ad or 2 will do much, when people see an ad for $5K they don't see much else....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Drago on September 14, 2014, 04:12:41 PM
Keep in mind that if he's paying full year the magazine might hesitate to take a 1 or 2 time ad attacking him.
But if it's a frum magazine and you showed them that the rabbonim they follow came out against it, I'm sure they'd set aside commerical interests for religious reasons.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:17:39 PM
Is the plan of action just ads? As mentioned I doubt an ad or 2 will do much, when people see an ad for $5K they don't see much else....
How about a similar ad with a big "lies" or "fraud" going through it ? Would that help ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
My friend did it he got approved got a check a few weeks later
wife didn't get approved
they opened 1 plat biz and closed it
3 gold biz and left it open
spending was all RT
How much money did he get ? Was he FR'd ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shulemw on September 14, 2014, 04:20:36 PM
he didn't get FR and got $2500 but that was long ago before this was such a big business
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shulemw on September 14, 2014, 04:22:46 PM
my thoughts are that most ppl that apply there have no clue of all issues involved
the only way to stop it is to get them to know what is involved
trying to stop the advertisers will not work as too much money is involved here
only a massive campaign explaining the dangers will stop other ppl from applying thru this
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Drago on September 14, 2014, 04:22:58 PM
Ironically, I have no doubt that the ppl running these companies are likely DDFers as well and are watching this thread and smiling to themselves.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:23:58 PM
Ironically, I have no doubt that the ppl running these companies are likely DDFers as well and are watching this thread and smiling to themselves.
Wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 14, 2014, 04:24:58 PM
Ironically, I have no doubt that the ppl running these companies are likely DDFers as well and are watching this thread and smiling to themselves.
I wouldn't say they are DDFers but I'm sure they're reading....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 14, 2014, 04:35:54 PM
Is the plan of action just ads? As mentioned I doubt an ad or 2 will do much, when people see an ad for $5K they don't see much else....
Plus,  starting up with these people might not be so smart...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:36:26 PM
Plus,  starting up with these people might not be so smart...
Why not ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 14, 2014, 04:37:02 PM
Why not ?
well for one, they have a lot to lose
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 14, 2014, 04:37:18 PM
I think we should print the op's story

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 14, 2014, 04:37:48 PM
well for one, they have a lot to lose
And...

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:38:41 PM
well for one, they have a lot to lose
So do all their victims.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 14, 2014, 04:41:14 PM
well for one, they have a lot to lose
Yup... And that can make people dangerous
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 14, 2014, 04:42:10 PM
Yup... And that can make people dangerous
They don't know who you are!

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 14, 2014, 04:42:45 PM
They don't know who you are!
Wanna take that risk
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:43:17 PM
Yup... And that can make people dangerous
Wouldn't worry about that. He's gonna go after all magazines ? The people putting in the ads ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Drago on September 14, 2014, 04:43:52 PM
Plus,  starting up with these people might not be so smart...
Everytime ppl are doing s/t wrong and others want to try to stop them, ppl always chime in by saying that it could be dangerous.
Happens here, Sungames, Sruly Dov the traffic ticket person, etc.

Bad ppl succeed only b/c good people are too often afraid to stand up against them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 14, 2014, 04:44:44 PM
I think we should print the op's story
Bump

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 14, 2014, 04:45:18 PM
They have far more to lose by physically going after someone. Violent crimes on top of the white collar crimes is serious jail time.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 14, 2014, 05:41:19 PM
my thoughts are that most ppl that apply there have no clue of all issues involved
the only way to stop it is to get them to know what is involved
trying to stop the advertisers will not work as too much money is involved here
only a massive campaign explaining the dangers will stop other ppl from applying thru this
+1 I would think more like an editorial running in all big newspapers/magazines explaining everyone the risks involved.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 14, 2014, 05:42:38 PM
+1 I would think more like an editorial running in all big newspapers/magazines explaining everyone the risks involved.
or a tear jerking serial in one of the magazines?
;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 14, 2014, 06:03:13 PM
Maybe @ilherman can write in his relative's story as a letter to the editor and also others who have first hand knowledge of such stories?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 14, 2014, 06:21:18 PM
Maybe @ilherman can write in his relative's story as a letter to the editor and also others who have first hand knowledge of such stories?
I was thinking the same edited the wiki can anyone else fix it up a bit so we make something out of it?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ckmk47 on September 14, 2014, 06:40:49 PM
The lines in the wiki that are red need to be fixed.  I don't know what they're supposed to say.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 14, 2014, 08:13:48 PM
How about a similar ad with a big "lies" or "fraud" going through it ? Would that help ?
they will just write something like references available and give them someone who got the full post to call. It would need to explain all the issues well. The ad in Lakewood was a good start but was inaccurate. That can do more harm than good.
+1 I would think more like an editorial running in all big newspapers/magazines explaining everyone the risks involved.
This can work and can be very cost effective as well, but it would need to be ongoing for a few weeks to garner enough attention.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on September 14, 2014, 09:52:42 PM
So he called today to ask about his his $100 referral bonus that he didn't get, so the guy tells him "the accountant is not in today, call us back tomorrow"

Lol
Its a shame because someone else is offering $150
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 14, 2014, 10:01:06 PM
Has anyone contacted the magazines if they would run an ad against an advertiser who has obviously been paying them lots of money?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: wayfe on September 14, 2014, 11:17:25 PM
The magazines need to be contacted and educated that this is illegal- and that they therefore cannot accept such ads.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Crazy tools on September 15, 2014, 12:05:08 AM


The magazines need to be contacted and educated that this is illegal- and that they therefore cannot accept such ads.
Is it really illegal? Or just unethical?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 12:06:51 AM
Is it really illegal? Or just unethical?
That's the big debate here.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Crazy tools on September 15, 2014, 12:08:06 AM
That's the big debate here.
Trying to figure out what they can be charged with here... But I ain't no lawyer
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: wayfe on September 15, 2014, 12:09:51 AM
It's against the law for anybody to apply for a cc using another's ss.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 12:11:57 AM
It's against the law for anybody to apply for a cc using another's ss.
Isn't he a proxy for the victim ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Crazy tools on September 15, 2014, 12:13:51 AM
It's against the law for anybody to apply for a cc using another's ss.
How about if I give explicit permission?
Would signing some kind of document stating that I allow them to apply solve the problem?

Besides if this is the only tayna that the ad would say, I would think that people would shrug it off saying "that I allowed him to do it". If it would be illegal from the banks side then maybe it'll be easier to convince people to stop allowing this to happen.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 12:22:07 AM
Is it really illegal? Or just unethical?
RT's are potentially fraud and lying on business apps is probably fraud as well even though lots of ppl here do it too
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Crazy tools on September 15, 2014, 12:27:00 AM
RT's are potentially fraud and lying on business apps is probably fraud as well even though lots of ppl here do it too
I personally don't do RT, but I'm sure some here do it. Trying to get these people to stop is in some way because we don't want them to ruin it for us. Telling people not to do it when they can easily find out that the people that put in the ad are doing it themselves will come across as hypocritical.
Regarding business apps there really is no tayna, will be totally hypocritical to call that out.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 12:30:47 AM
Trying to figure out what they can be charged with here... But I ain't no lawyer

I personally don't do RT, but I'm sure some here do it. Trying to get these people to stop is in some way because we don't want them to ruin it for us. Telling people not to do it when they can easily find out that the people that put in the ad are doing it themselves will come across as hypocritical.
Regarding business apps there really is no tayna, will be totally hypocritical to call that out.
you asked I answered... if some here do it that doesnt change the fact there is a lot of fraud potentially happening here
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Crazy tools on September 15, 2014, 12:34:09 AM
you asked I answered... if some here do it that doesnt change the fact there is a lot of fraud potentially happening here
I understand what may be illegal.
Then I was trying to figure out what the sales pitch of the ad would be.
Being that it's done here on a small scale, it'll be hard to tell people off just to save the tricks for yourself.
It may be good enough just to write that they are dishonest with the amount they pay you.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ckmk47 on September 15, 2014, 12:38:48 AM
I understand what may be illegal.
Then I was trying to figure out what the sales pitch of the ad would be.
Being that it's done here on a small scale, it'll be hard to tell people off just to save the tricks for yourself.
It may be good enough just to write that they are dishonest with the amount they pay you.
Also that they're not careful with how they do it, so are leaving you locked out of Amex cards in the future.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Crazy tools on September 15, 2014, 12:41:22 AM
Also that they're not careful with how they do it, so are leaving you locked out of Amex cards in the future.
+1
I think leaving it at a personal level like how they won't be able to get Amex in the future, or how they don't always give the money may be enough.
Once law or halacha mixes in it'll turn into something like the kol koreh where everyone has a different interpretation of what is really happening and why it may/may not be legal.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 01:20:23 AM
Last week. I have no clue what he is spending and what he is doing with all my info :-( i regret  going to him! But too late :(

This may be a noob comment but if you ever run into problems like this you can always call the credit bureaus and tell them to freeze your credit. I believe it's either free to do or it costs like $10. Anytime in the future when you want to access credit you can call to have it unfrozen, apply for the card/loan/etc and then call and have it refrozen. Also, due to the attacks on Target and Home Depot they have made credit monitoring tools available for free for the first year for anyone who signs up (and everyone should sign up).
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 15, 2014, 01:26:04 AM
I wouldn't say they are DDFers but I'm sure they're reading....
Im pretty sure they are active here
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 02:06:29 AM
I have a few more noobish comments.

1) It shouldn't be terribly hard to get the identity of who's running the ads. All you would need is some strongly written letters from some of the gedolim and the papers should provide it easily.

2) This can end badly for those who are still involved in the scam. If everything comes crashing down who says these guys don't just run off with millions of dollars in available credit from their "clients". I'm sure everyone here knows how easy it is to liquidate a credit card into cash.

3) These scams have also hit me close to home. My sister almost fell victim to one of these scams because her husband had a "friend" who did this stuff and promised all kinds of neat vacations. Luckily he got snagged by chase on his first application though she did have to work out a fraud inquiry.

4) One last thought is maybe Dan could host a Webinar or something like that to quickly and succinctly address these issues and the perils involved.

Like I said just some rambling noobish comments. I really hope this ends quickly and quietly and I for one would gladly give something toward ads or a concentrated effort to stop this schtick and help educate everyone against the risks these games have.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 15, 2014, 07:39:30 AM
This may be a noob comment but if you ever run into problems like this you can always call the credit bureaus and tell them to freeze your credit. I believe it's either free to do or it costs like $10. Anytime in the future when you want to access credit you can call to have it unfrozen, apply for the card/loan/etc and then call and have it refrozen. Also, due to the attacks on Target and Home Depot they have made credit monitoring tools available for free for the first year for anyone who signs up (and everyone should sign up).
"And everyone should sign up"
I believe only people that shopped there are eligible.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 15, 2014, 08:01:50 AM
I personaly belive that a letter from a lawyer to the editor can do a lot more then one ad in a magazine.
Why dont we raise money to pay a ddf lawyer to send a letter to the editors of the magazines that run the ads?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: elikay on September 15, 2014, 08:10:00 AM
Im pretty sure they are active here
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 08:10:35 AM
I personaly belive that a letter from a lawyer to the editor can do a lot more then one ad in a magazine.
Why dont we raise money to pay a ddf lawyer to send a letter to the editors of the magazines that run the ads?
What would that letter say ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 15, 2014, 08:43:30 AM
Im pretty sure they are active here
Great, so when the FBI rounds them up we can start a fund for them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 09:05:27 AM
Great, so when the FBI rounds them up we can start a fund for them.
So now we have a fund going to stop them and once they're stopped we'll start a fund to defend them? :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 09:22:55 AM
Maybe we can post an add on dansdeals I know the guy who owns it maybe he can give a good deal!  :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 15, 2014, 09:24:11 AM
Maybe we can post an add on dansdeals I know the guy who owns it maybe he can give a good deal!  :P
Dan already posted about these guys
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 09:36:10 AM
I think there is one thing we are all forgetting. I am willing to bet they have many satisfied customers. The is the best advertising you can have.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 09:36:13 AM
Dan already posted about these guys
I think it needs to be done in greater detail

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 09:37:01 AM
I think there is one thing we are all forgetting. I am willing to bet they have many satisfied customers. The is the best advertising you can have.
So that doesn't mean they won't get messed up later.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 09:39:32 AM
I am willing to bet they have many satisfied customers.
Even says so in the ad.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 09:40:51 AM
So that doesn't mean they won't get messed up later.
My point being you can have a ton of ads saying how bad this is. One person saying they received the 5k and most will disregard the ads because they see dollar signs. Why do you think pyramid schemes are so successful.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 09:54:10 AM
My point being you can have a ton of ads saying how bad this is. One person saying they received the 5k and most will disregard the ads because they see dollar signs. Why do you think pyramid schemes are so successful.
Ok.
But the problem is that there is NO awareness at all!

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 10:00:57 AM
Ok.
But the problem is that there is NO awareness at all!
If everyone thinks ads will work then start a fund. I will kick in.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 10:02:14 AM
If everyone thinks ads will work then start a fund. I will kick in.
We need words! What should we write?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 15, 2014, 10:16:17 AM
We need words! What should we write?
First we need a "leader" someone needs to lead & start a whole game plan & organization of course the leader can & would ask us for advice but there has to be someone who takes lead in all this.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 15, 2014, 10:29:43 AM
I think these people are being grossly overestimated. If you look at their earlier ads they are written in poor English and are extremely childish. They have gotten better with time as they hired a designer to do it for them, but I doubt we are dealing with major sophistication. It is more likely someone who was never successful in anything who finally found something which worked and was clueless of any ramifications. By now I am sure they have heard them but once they start seeing the money it is easy to come up with terutzim.They probably even feel they are doing a chesed.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 15, 2014, 10:52:30 AM

So now we have a fund going to stop them and once they're stopped we'll start a fund to defend them? :P
me keamcha Yisroel
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 15, 2014, 11:08:35 AM
My point being you can have a ton of ads saying how bad this is. One person saying they received the 5k and most will disregard the ads because they see dollar signs. Why do you think pyramid schemes are so successful.
The point here is not only the money, which the customer may or may not receive, it's about the way they spend and that you can get blacklisted forever. As of now there is no limitations other then the 12 month rule on the business cards, its not worth $5,000 to get banned for life.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 15, 2014, 11:10:29 AM
Has he called the FR people yet?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 11:45:45 AM
As of now there is no limitations other then the 12 month rule on the business cards, its not worth $5,000 to get banned for life.
You are looking at it from a DDF point of view. If Amex went away tomorrow most would not even care.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 15, 2014, 11:52:20 AM
Has he called the FR people yet?
Okay, he just called and the lady picks up and tells him, you got a phone call or an email to call in, right? So he says yes, and she tells him there was 2 retuned payments on the account so we suspended the account until we verify that. So he said that it was a mistake blah blah... and she reopened the account!!!! It looks like she missed the refundables!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 11:53:44 AM
Hmmm
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 11:54:05 AM
I told you they had connections...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 15, 2014, 11:55:17 AM
I told you they had connections...
that's terrifying.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
At least he passed the FR
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 12:09:14 PM
that's terrifying.

I was kidding
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 12:09:45 PM
At least he passed the FR

It wasn't a FR
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 12:15:17 PM
It wasn't a FR
Then what was it ? (I thought he was responding to Dan's question)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 12:24:50 PM
Then what was it ? (I thought he was responding to Dan's question)

He thought it was one. There are many times that they can put a short freeze and it's not a FR.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 12:26:56 PM
He thought it was one. There are many times that they can put a short freeze and it's not a FR.
I hear. So now all his accounts should be fine. Correct ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Racer7400 on September 15, 2014, 12:38:10 PM
Why not have an ad that has all the unsatisfied customers reviews. As in "I was blacklisted forever from Amex due to the RT and bounced checks" and other stuff like that with the OP's story as the main part of the ad
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 15, 2014, 12:53:11 PM
i hope the bounced checks aren't showing on his cr
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
i hope the bounced checks aren't showing on his cr

Do bounced checks show up on a CR?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:00:37 PM
Why not have an ad that has all the unsatisfied customers reviews. As in "I was blacklisted forever from Amex due to the RT and bounced checks" and other stuff like that with the OP's story as the main part of the ad
Is this true?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 15, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
Do bounced checks show up on a CR?
I mean if it made late payments
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 15, 2014, 02:16:51 PM
Does anyone think that insted of putting together a few dollers for an ad or two that can never compete with the ad budget of the people making tons of money of this garbage, we shuld just alert AMEX?
They have the lawyers, investagators, ip people and everything else they need to shut these scumbags down.
Oh they also have a very big vested intrest.
So...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 02:19:08 PM
Does anyone think that insted of putting together a few dollers for an ad or two that can never compete with the ad budget of the people making tons of money of this garbage, we shuld just alert AMEX?
They have the lawyers, investagators, ip people and everything else they need to shut these scumbags down.
Oh they also have a very big vested intrest.
So...
Question is if it will kill the game for us as well...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 15, 2014, 02:19:32 PM
Does anyone think that insted of putting together a few dollers for an ad or two that can never compete with the ad budget of the people making tons of money of this garbage, we shuld just alert AMEX?
They have the lawyers, investagators, ip people and everything else they need to shut these scumbags down.
Oh they also have a very big vested intrest.
So...
Imho, I Don't think it's a good idea, they either wont care enough or they'll care too much in which they'll crack down till the end on by which point it will be real trouble!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 02:22:06 PM
Imho, I Don't think it's a good idea, they either wont care enough or they'll care too much in which they'll crack down till the end on by which point it will be real trouble!
Or they'll care just enough to close down these huge CC farms but not enough to go after every little guy trying to churn a living... #goldylockseffect
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Racer7400 on September 15, 2014, 02:24:14 PM
Does anyone think that insted of putting together a few dollers for an ad or two that can never compete with the ad budget of the people making tons of money of this garbage, we shuld just alert AMEX?
They have the lawyers, investagators, ip people and everything else they need to shut these scumbags down.
Oh they also have a very big vested intrest.
So...
it might create a very big Chillul Hashem.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 15, 2014, 02:27:30 PM
Real truble for who? The people running this fraud? Nunu.
Most of us wont get hurt cuz we dont do stupid things like open three biz gold card writing god knows what in income and biz info. Or opening cards, doing RT and closing the card a week after getting the points, etc' etc'.
Besides the longer this goes on the bigger it gets and it could only harm all of us more.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:28:40 PM
Does anyone think that insted of putting together a few dollers for an ad or two that can never compete with the ad budget of the people making tons of money of this garbage, we shuld just alert AMEX?
So you want to turn in many of your fellow DDFer's for using RT's?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 15, 2014, 02:30:40 PM
it might create a very big Chillul Hashem.
Do we have to say there jewish? Are they only farming jewish peoples info?
Besides where do u draw the line between chilul hashem and stoping a jew thats harming people?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 15, 2014, 02:30:43 PM
Real truble for who? The people running this fraud? Nunu.
Most of us wont get hurt cuz we dont do stupid things like open three biz gold card writing god knows what in income and biz info. Or opening cards, doing RT and closing the card a week after getting the points, etc' etc'.
Besides the longer this goes on the bigger it gets and it could only harm all of us more.
I hear you.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 15, 2014, 02:33:45 PM
So you want to turn in many of your fellow DDFer's for using RT's?
I belive that ddf'ers are smart enough not to use RT.
Besides cmiiw but havent they been FR'ing people for that for a long time?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:35:20 PM
I belive that ddf'ers are smart enough not to use RT.
Besides cmiiw but havent they been FR'ing people for that for a long time?
I think you are confusing Citi with Amex.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:41:24 PM
The more I think about this I am trying to figure out what these guys are doing different than many do here.
1 - Apply for business cards without a real business. Same as many here.
2 - Apply for someone else with their permission. Same as many here.
3 - Purchase RT. Same as many here.
4 - End up with a FR. Same as many here.

What am I missing?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 02:42:51 PM
The more I think about this I am trying to figure out what these guys are doing different they many do here.
1 - Apply for business cards without a real business. Same as many here.
2 - Apply for someone else with their permission. Same as many here.
3 - Purchase RT. Same as many here.

What am I missing?
The persons who give permission have no idea what they're getting into. Also these people do not do it responsibly, getting people banned from amex etc.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 02:43:49 PM
The more I think about this I am trying to figure out what these guys are doing different than many do here.
1 - Apply for business cards without a real business. Same as many here.
2 - Apply for someone else with their permission. Same as many here.
3 - Purchase RT. Same as many here.
4 - End up with a FR. Same as many here.

What am I missing?
Minus the points & the amount of money they were promised.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:45:00 PM
The persons who give permission have no idea what they're getting into. Also these people do not do it responsibly, getting people banned from amex etc.
What do you mean banned? Is this different than a FR.
Also how do you responsibly apply for business when you don't have one.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:45:51 PM
Minus the points & the amount of money they were promised.
So if they get the money they were promised you would then not have a problem with what they do?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
The more I think about this I am trying to figure out what these guys are doing different than many do here.
1 - Apply for business cards without a real business. Same as many here.
2 - Apply for someone else with their permission. Same as many here.
3 - Purchase RT. Same as many here.
4 - End up with a FR. Same as many here.

What am I missing?
They do it wholesale.
PGFHGS
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 02:47:47 PM
They do it wholesale.
PGFHGS

BINGO
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:48:28 PM
PGFHGS
Not all the time.  ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 02:48:34 PM
So if they get the money they were promised you would then not have a problem with what they do?
If they used much more caution (not spending 5k in a few days) I'd be more ok with it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:50:30 PM
If they used much more caution (not spending 5k in a few days) I'd be more ok with it.
Are you kidding me. Many here do more than that in one purchase.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 02:55:16 PM
Are you kidding me. Many here do more than that in one purchase.
If someone wants to risk his own account that's fine. The clueless ones never agreed to risky stuff, they think everything's legit.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 02:58:27 PM
If someone wants to risk his own account that's fine. The clueless ones never agreed to risky stuff, they think everything's legit.
Putting 10k in one purchase is not a risk. Where are you getting your info from?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 03:09:38 PM
Putting 10k in one purchase is not a risk. Where are you getting your info from?
Well something they do is getting these accounts shut down...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 03:09:53 PM
The more I think about this I am trying to figure out what these guys are doing different than many do here.
1 - Apply for business cards without a real business. Same as many here.
2 - Apply for someone else with their permission. Same as many here.
3 - Purchase RT. Same as many here.
4 - End up with a FR. Same as many here.

What am I missing?
Im waiting for ppl to start accusing you of being the guy, I got that treatment a couple of days ago for similar arguments
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 03:10:32 PM
Well something they do is getting these accounts shut down...
Do you know of people who got shut down?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on September 15, 2014, 03:14:40 PM
The more I think about this I am trying to figure out what these guys are doing different than many do here.
1 - Apply for business cards without a real business. Same as many here.
2 - Apply for someone else with their permission. Same as many here.
3 - Purchase RT. Same as many here.
4 - End up with a FR. Same as many here.

What am I missing?
Im waiting for ppl to start accusing you of being the guy, I got that treatment a couple of days ago for similar arguments
doing it to yourself is your fault, but convincing ignorant people that it is no problem and then cause them all the headaches is another thing
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 03:31:16 PM
Do you know of people who got shut down?
I actually don't know of anyone who fell for the scam; I'm just playing along with the conversation. IIRC upthread this was discussed.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 03:45:49 PM
Im waiting for ppl to start accusing you of being the guy, I got that treatment a couple of days ago for similar arguments
You think I care? The biggest problem I see is giving these strangers all your personal information. If this was someone I knew and trusted I am not so sure I would have a problem with them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 03:48:45 PM
The problem is that they say "we do the spending" when they really are not.
So far we have had any reports of FR can anyone confirm that?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 03:51:18 PM
The problem is that they say "we do the spending" when they really are not.
Are talking about RT? The same RT that many use here to get a credit among other things?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 03:53:47 PM
Are talking about RT? The same RT that many use here to get a credit among other things?
The people that gave their info want the spending to be legitimate not shady spending.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 15, 2014, 03:55:14 PM
The people that gave their info want the spending to be legitimate not shady spending.
I don't think they care how it gets done, they just want the money
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 03:56:27 PM
I don't think they care how it gets done, they just want the money
Ok.
But if people would know how the spending is being done (shady) they would have second thoughts! No?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 15, 2014, 04:00:31 PM
I don't think they care how it gets done, they just want the money
-1, people have come up to me after seminars asking what they can do about FRs from these people and that they had no idea what they did or what they wrote for their income, how they spent, etc.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 04:05:50 PM
-1, people have come up to me after seminars asking what they can do about FRs from these people and that they had no idea what they did or what they wrote for their income, how they spent, etc.
that doesnt change the fact that they dont care how they do the spending. They just would rather not have a FR on their hands
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 15, 2014, 04:07:35 PM
that doesnt change the fact that they dont care how they do the spending. They just would rather not have a FR on their hands
That's a pure contradiction. The way they do the spending guarantees a FR
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 15, 2014, 04:08:00 PM
Most people assume the spending will be 100% kosher unless they're warned otherwise.
Same goes for their income.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yare on September 15, 2014, 04:13:07 PM
lol, what a joke. every time one of the "reasons" these people are destroying the world as we know it is rebutted, someone throws out another cockamamie theory; until it's rebutted as well. and so on. and so on.

the bottom line here is these people are doing nothing different than many ddfers and others in the game. they're just doing it on a larger scale, and making more money for it. that makes lots of people here jealous, as well as nervous that it will cause they're own little game to get shut down. get a life people.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 04:13:35 PM
Most people assume the spending will be 100% kosher unless they're warned otherwise.
Same goes for their income.
you really think people who are giving a guy their SSN for 5k really think its 100% kosher?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 04:14:44 PM
What if I was to this and was 100% upfront about RT's and the possibility of a FR. Would everyone be OK with me taking out an ad? Would you all vouch for me?  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on September 15, 2014, 04:17:12 PM
What if I was to this and was 100% upfront about RT's and the possibility of a FR. Would everyone be OK with me taking out an ad? Would you all vouch for me?  :)

How much is the referral bonus? ;D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 04:17:24 PM
that doesnt change the fact that they dont care how they do the spending.
Lots of people would never sign up for it if they would know what this guy is gonna do.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Myccrabbi on September 15, 2014, 04:18:22 PM
lol, what a joke. every time one of the "reasons" these people are destroying the world as we know it is rebutted, someone throws out another cockamamie theory; until it's rebutted as well. and so on. and so on.

the bottom line here is these people are doing nothing different than many ddfers and others in the game. they're just doing it on a larger scale, and making more money for it. that makes lots of people here jealous, as well as nervous that it will cause they're own little game to get shut down. get a life people.
can i give you my ssn and you will give me 2,500$?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yare on September 15, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
can i give you my ssn and you will give me 2,500$?
nah, i think they're overpaying, i'd give you have half that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 04:22:27 PM
How much is the referral bonus? ;D
That is against the rules but if it was allowed talk about a goldmine.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 04:23:42 PM
Lots of people would never sign up for it if they would know what this guy is gonna do.
What if he told them he is going to do the same thing many on DDF do every day?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 04:27:10 PM
Lots of people would never sign up for it if they would know what this guy is gonna do.
the people I know would ask, am i going to get in trouble for it? Once convinced that worst case scenario is a FR that they claim they can take care of whats the problem? and remember these are people who never signed up for an amex before anyways so an FR shouldn't scare them. 5k on the other hand is considerable cash
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Myccrabbi on September 15, 2014, 04:27:45 PM
nah, i think they're overpaying, i'd give you have half that.
That's what I meant tell you give 2500
And send a check for 1500
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 04:28:03 PM
What if he told them he is going to do the same thing many on DDF do every day?
A lot of people reading these ads would never play the game we play on DDF.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 04:29:01 PM
the people I know would ask, am i going to get in trouble for it? Once convinced that worst case scenario is a FR that they claim they can take care of whats the problem? and remember these are people who never signed up for an amex before anyways so an FR shouldn't scare them. 5k on the other hand is considerable cash
Are they being told everything that could possibly go wrong ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 04:44:26 PM
Are they being told everything that could possibly go wrong ?
I for some reason signed up by this ad. And was promised 2k after getting approved for 2 platinums and 1 gold. Last night i got a call from amex fraud depot to ask me about a 4k charge for air tickets. After questioning me for a minute and i didnt know what to say i hong up the phone. I quickly called the agent and he said hell take care of it. Today i got another call from amex which started as; This call is monitored and dont hang up. I admitted to them that i was promised  2 k for giving my info. And they said "we know about that" im shivering now not knowing what will happen next!!!!!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 15, 2014, 04:45:45 PM
I for some reason signed up by this ad. And was promised 2k after getting approved for 2 platinums and 1 gold. Last night i got a call from amex fraud depot to ask me about a 4k charge for air tickets. After questioning me for a minute and i didnt know what to say i hong up the phone. I quickly called the agent and he said hell take care of it. Today i got another call from amex which started as; This call is monitored and dont hang up. I admitted to them that i was promised  2 k for giving my info. And they said "we know about that" im shivering now not knowing what will happen next!!!!!!
Gamechanger!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 04:51:05 PM
I for some reason signed up by this ad. And was promised 2k after getting approved for 2 platinums and 1 gold. Last night i got a call from amex fraud depot to ask me about a 4k charge for air tickets. After questioning me for a minute and i didnt know what to say i hong up the phone. I quickly called the agent and he said hell take care of it. Today i got another call from amex which started as; This call is monitored and dont hang up. I admitted to them that i was promised  2 k for giving my info. And they said "we know about that" im shivering now not knowing what will happen next!!!!!!
Sounds like a great testimonial for an ad...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 04:56:47 PM
Sounds like a great testimonial for an ad...
So what are putting in the ad?
I think we should put 1 or 2 testimonials and put all the risks

The title should be "Its not a scam..but your getting scammed"

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 04:59:23 PM
Sounds like a great testimonial for an ad...
You bet... I'm actually a graphic artist. If anyone is interested in funding and organizing an ad. I can do the graphics for free! Even an email that people can send around would do the job! Its a big Chilul Hashem + it kills future deals (rsvp's) and causes people to get blacklisted. This is absolutely the case of "V'lifnei ieveir lo sitein michshol"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Chapshnell on September 15, 2014, 05:08:38 PM
How can I help in bringing down these loonies?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 15, 2014, 05:25:26 PM
lol, what a joke. every time one of the "reasons" these people are destroying the world as we know it is rebutted, someone throws out another cockamamie theory; until it's rebutted as well. and so on. and so on.

the bottom line here is these people are doing nothing different than many ddfers and others in the game. they're just doing it on a larger scale, and making more money for it. that makes lots of people here jealous, as well as nervous that it will cause they're own little game to get shut down. get a life people.
:o :o :o Why should I get a life when I know someone who was PROMISED TO GET $2500 AND ONLY GOT $1500?

Am I missing something?   :o ::)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Racer7400 on September 15, 2014, 05:26:08 PM
the people I know would ask, am i going to get in trouble for it? Once convinced that worst case scenario is a FR that they claim they can take care of whats the problem? and remember these are people who never signed up for an amex before anyways so an FR shouldn't scare them. 5k on the other hand is considerable cash
I disagree people have asked me about them and I would warn them about the risks. And they dont ave any idea of any of the risks. Also when I tell them that the $5k is only if you and you wife both get accepted to all the credit cards and they will be risking a FR ( which they dont know that is) and being blacklisted from Amex they do back off and say that it's not worth it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 15, 2014, 05:27:17 PM
I for some reason signed up by this ad. And was promised 2k after getting approved for 2 platinums and 1 gold. Last night i got a call from amex fraud depot to ask me about a 4k charge for air tickets. After questioning me for a minute and i didnt know what to say i hong up the phone. I quickly called the agent and he said hell take care of it. Today i got another call from amex which started as; This call is monitored and dont hang up. I admitted to them that i was promised  2 k for giving my info. And they said "we know about that" im shivering now not knowing what will happen next!!!!!!
and what did Amex say after they said "we know about that"?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Racer7400 on September 15, 2014, 05:27:33 PM
How can I help in bringing down these loonies?
+1 I think my idea was a good one similar to this
So what are putting in the ad?
I think we should put 1 or 2 testimonials and put all the risks

The title should be "Its not a scam..but your getting scammed"


Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 05:34:54 PM
If Amex knows about it already on a large scale lets see if they get the Feds involved.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 15, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
If Amex knows about it already on a large scale lets see if they get the Feds involved.
but they have everyone's permission to open up credit cards in their name
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 05:36:50 PM
and what did Amex say after they said "we know about that"?
They said they will let me know. Meanwhile all my amex cards including old cards are frozen.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 15, 2014, 05:38:17 PM
They said they will let me know. Meanwhile all my amex cards including old cards are frozen.
you should've called the people who opened up the cards for you, they should know what to do to get them unfrozen
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
but they have everyone's permission to open up credit cards in their name
Any valid way of proving that ? & what about the lies on the app ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Racer7400 on September 15, 2014, 05:43:00 PM
but they have everyone's permission to open up credit cards in their name
It's fraud on a large scale. As apposed to a single DDEer who does it's or himself on a small scale which they care much less about
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: real-brisker on September 15, 2014, 05:43:20 PM
Sounds like a great testimonial for an ad...
No need.
Amex will take care of shutting these guys down.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 15, 2014, 05:44:49 PM
but they have everyone's permission to open up credit cards in their name
you are incorrect. My brother in law is a lawyer, and I asked him this morning regarding this, and he said even if someone gives his info and permission, it is still considered credit card fraud to apply for that person
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 05:45:55 PM
you should've called the people who opened up the cards for you, they should know what to do to get them unfrozen
I called him. He said time will tell. He is working on it. And he added if he doesent get his (my) points from amex he will only give me $150
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 05:46:28 PM
you are incorrect. My brother in law is a lawyer, and I asked him this morning regarding this, and he said even if someone gives his info and permission, it is still concerned credit card fraud to apply for that person
You would probably have to get on the phone & then pass it over to them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 15, 2014, 05:47:48 PM
You would probably have to get on the phone & then pass it over to them.
possibly. But he told me that the way these scammers are doing it is absolutely illegal and they can get into serious trouble with the feds
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Chapshnell on September 15, 2014, 05:48:36 PM
then all the closed minded people are going to scream "yid, yid!"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 05:51:32 PM
And the next thing we know is a wave of Amex A/A for whoever ever did RTs and feds getting involved in the fraudulent biz cards.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
Amex never made a fuss as long as everything was on a small scale. You think they didn't know? They did and they didn't want to bother because it's wasn't too bad.
What this is going to do is that a few people became rich off of the massive scale fraud and everyone is going to suffer.
If the feds get involved in the case, these people can get dozens of years.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 05:56:36 PM
Amex never made a fuss as long as everything was on a small scale. You think they didn't know? They did and they didn't want to bother because it's wasn't too bad.
What this is going to do is that a few people became rich off of the massive scale fraud and everyone is going to suffer.
If the feds get involved in the case, these people can get dozens of years.
Ok can we STOP YAPPING and decide what we want to do!?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Chapshnell on September 15, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
What means RT's?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 05:57:42 PM
What means RT's?
Refundable Tickets

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 06:01:03 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if they signed up a few agents already.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 15, 2014, 06:03:55 PM
Wouldn't be surprised if they signed up a few agents already.

The fraudsters reading this thread are panicking now....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 06:07:41 PM
Ok can we STOP YAPPING and decide what we want to do!?
Ok VacationLover can you make an ad with the title that I gave and put in you testimonial.
Put on it the risks:
1 Amex closing all your accounts
2 Having to answer to amex why there are Refundable Chages on the account
3 Having your personal info by some random person 

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
possibly. But he told me that the way these scammers are doing it is absolutely illegal and they can get into serious trouble with the feds

What I don't understand is how brazen these people are with their ads in so many periodicals. They must have either very sound legal advice or just be plain #&*@ Stupid. I'd bet it's the latter because it sounds like there haven't even been any sort of authorization forms from the "recipients" which would act as documentation showing the nature of the "business" arrangement. I would also guess that if these schnooks couldn't prove arms length transactions they could be facing pretty serious identity theft and wire fraud charges at the very least.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:15:34 PM
you are incorrect. My brother in law is a lawyer, and I asked him this morning regarding this, and he said even if someone gives his info and permission, it is still considered credit card fraud to apply for that person
So all the DDF members that are applying for their spouses with their permission are committing CC fraud?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 06:15:37 PM
What I don't understand is how brazen these people are with their ads in so many periodicals. They must have either very sound legal advice or just be plain #&*@ Stupid. I'd bet it's the latter because it sounds like there haven't even been any sort of authorization forms from the "recipients" which would act as documentation showing the nature of the "business" arrangement. I would also guess that if these schnooks couldn't prove arms length transactions they could be facing pretty serious identity theft and wire fraud charges at the very least.
Ok can we STOP YAPPING!

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 06:16:37 PM
UPDATE amex unfroze my cards. But i wont be able to get any new amex cards! :(
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 06:17:08 PM
@Yakov116 IMHO maybe the ad could start on the DD main page. I'd bet that many of the victims/potential victims check the main page quite often and you'd probably get the best immediate feedback to plan the next steps for the ad campaign.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:19:08 PM
UPDATE amex unfroze my cards. But i wont be able to get any new amex cards! :(
Do these guys have connections? If any of you are following this thread please PM me. I am sure we can do some business.  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 15, 2014, 06:19:20 PM
UPDATE amex unfroze my cards. But i wont be able to get any new amex cards! :(
Forever ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 15, 2014, 06:19:59 PM
@Yakov116 IMHO maybe the ad could start on the DD main page. I'd bet that many of the victims/potential victims check the main page quite often and you'd probably get the best immediate feedback to plan the next steps for the ad campaign.
Dan made a post about it but that's a good idea
@Dan can we make an ad?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
Do these guys have connections? If any of you are following this thread please PM me. I am sure we can do some business.  :)
It's really worth it for you just for 5K? :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:22:23 PM
It's really worth it for you just for 5K? :P
x1k, sure.  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 06:23:48 PM
I dont know what they did. They called me saying that. I guess they have some connections but they couldnt avoid me from being blacklisted
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 06:25:54 PM
I dont know what they did. They called me saying that. I guess they have some connections but they couldnt avoid me from being blacklisted
Who says they arranged it?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:26:28 PM
I dont know what they did. They called me saying that. I guess they have some connections but they couldnt avoid me from being blacklisted
Don't be so sure you are blacklisted.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 06:26:39 PM
Who else? They called me saying the good news.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:27:28 PM
Who says they arranged it?
Maybe it is the FEDS with another sting operation. They love getting those Jews.  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 06:27:41 PM
Forever ?
I think so.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 15, 2014, 06:27:42 PM
I dont know what they did. They called me saying that. I guess they have some connections but they couldnt avoid me from being blacklisted
these guys don't have any connections, they just have a lot of experience talking to amex about RT and they know what to say
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 06:29:22 PM
Who else? They called me saying the good news.
Amex just knows that you aren't the big guy here, they'll let you keep on going while they go after the big fish.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 06:29:37 PM
Maybe it is the FEDS with another sting operation. They love getting those Jews.  :)

Maybe you don't want to do business with them anymore? ::)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:30:56 PM
Maybe you don't want to do business with them anymore? ::)
Risk vs reward.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 15, 2014, 06:31:51 PM
I think so.
I doubt it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:33:53 PM
I just thought of something. If I was these guys and a client had a question I would just send them to this thread. This is probably the best advertisement then can get and it is free.  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 15, 2014, 06:35:20 PM
I just thought of something. If I was these guys and a client had a question I would just send them to this thread. This is probably the best advertisement then can get and it is free.  :)
Are you signed up
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 06:35:47 PM
hey everyone, I just heard that they took the word "gullible" out of the dictionary!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:37:21 PM
Are you signed up
I have one little problem. It is called Amex BC?  ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 06:37:45 PM
I have one little problem. It is called Amex BC?  ;)
I'm sorry to hear about your problem
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:39:00 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your problem
Their are bad and good problems.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 15, 2014, 06:39:13 PM
Their are bad and good problems.
I guess there are!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 15, 2014, 06:40:05 PM
I have one little problem. It is called Amex BC?  ;)
Can we switch problems? ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 15, 2014, 06:42:15 PM
We are all over the map on what is so bad that these guys are doing? How about we make a list. I will go first.

My biggest concern is what could be done with all your personal info.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 15, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
I think so.
They told you that you're blacklisted? or maybe they just don't want you to apply for more cards NOW?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 15, 2014, 06:49:18 PM
They didnt say the word blacklisted. They said i will not be able to got the bonus offer for any amex in the future
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 15, 2014, 06:50:58 PM
They didnt say the word blacklisted. They said i will not be able to got the bonus offer for any amex in the future
big difference
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 15, 2014, 06:51:47 PM
My biggest concern is what could be done with all your personal info.

I think that's everyone's biggest concern. There really is no telling what they can do. They may even be able to get fake ids and passports if they were so inclined to get birth certificate copies from the hospitals (all it takes is one phone call, some personal info and $20-40 for shipping). The people running these programs are probably just trying to make a quick buck off naive people and I'm not going to pick that fight. However, these naive people may very well be committing financial suicide. If they give their information away once they may do it again and again. In doing so they would be opening a world of hurt trying to solve an identity theft pandora's box. IMO an ad is a good public service announcement to not be short sighted and take on all this risk for a few thousand dollars which you might not ever get anyway.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 15, 2014, 06:52:50 PM
I'm sorry to hear about your problem
Don't be too sorry... We should all have such problems... And some of us do
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 15, 2014, 08:58:58 PM
See screenshot attached.
So why do they have expenses from Flyersmiles.com on his credit card anyway?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 15, 2014, 09:06:57 PM
So why do they have expenses from Flyersmiles.com on his credit card anyway?
what is the SO?

What else should I know? If you wanna know what THEY told him, ITS PART OF THE PROCESS TO GET YOU THE $2,500!!

Lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ad120 on September 16, 2014, 02:11:00 AM
I think that's everyone's biggest concern. There really is no telling what they can do. They may even be able to get fake ids and passports if they were so inclined to get birth certificate copies from the hospitals (all it takes is one phone call, some personal info and $20-40 for shipping). The people running these programs are probably just trying to make a quick buck off naive people and I'm not going to pick that fight. However, these naive people may very well be committing financial suicide. If they give their information away once they may do it again and again. In doing so they would be opening a world of hurt trying to solve an identity theft pandora's box. IMO an ad is a good public service announcement to not be short sighted and take on all this risk for a few thousand dollars which you might not ever get anyway.
+infinity
I bet you these victims would not trust their closest friends with this info and yet they are giving it to a complete stranger that they have never even met.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yomo on September 16, 2014, 03:20:32 AM
I think these people are being grossly overestimated. If you look at their earlier ads they are written in poor English and are extremely childish. They have gotten better with time as they hired a designer to do it for them, but I doubt we are dealing with major sophistication. It is more likely someone who was never successful in anything who finally found something which worked and was clueless of any ramifications. By now I am sure they have heard them but once they start seeing the money it is easy to come up with terutzim.They probably even feel they are doing a chesed.
+1000
I could not agree more.
To take it a step further, this situation is all an unfortunate result of the system (lkwd, lack of basic education, kollel requirement etc..) we have created. Seems like these guys are probably innocent, as they're uninformed and uneducated but are desperate to make $, probably officially sat (or still sitting) in "kollel" when they were never really cut out for it in the first place. It would have been much better for them to have received a secular education and find a productive and fulfilling job in some form or another. I really can't not think about it this way when I see things like this or similar going on in our "sophisticated" community.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ad120 on September 16, 2014, 03:26:08 AM
+1000
I could not agree more.
To take it a step further, this situation is all an unfortunate result of the system (lkwd, lack of basic education, kollel requirement etc..) we have created. Seems like these guys are probably innocent, as they're uninformed and uneducated but are desperate to make $, probably officially sat (or still sitting) in "kollel" when they were never really cut out for it in the first place. It would have been much better for them to have received a secular education and find a productive and fulfilling job in some form or another. I really can't not think about it this way when I see things like this or similar going on in our "sophisticated" community.
Disclaimer: I know this may be slightly off topic and pretty controversial, I'm sorry for that and please forgive me. .
Any other Agenda you'd like to share with us?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yare on September 16, 2014, 06:04:39 AM
Any other Agenda you'd like to share with us?
+10000
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AnonymousUser on September 16, 2014, 07:26:57 AM
+1000
I could not agree more.
To take it a step further, this situation is all an unfortunate result of the system (lkwd, lack of basic education, kollel requirement etc..) we have created. Seems like these guys are probably innocent, as they're uninformed and uneducated but are desperate to make $, probably officially sat (or still sitting) in "kollel" when they were never really cut out for it in the first place. It would have been much better for them to have received a secular education and find a productive and fulfilling job in some form or another. I really can't not think about it this way when I see things like this or similar going on in our "sophisticated" community.
How is it that every discussion come back either to this or Cholov Stam? :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 07:30:14 AM
How is it that every discussion come back either to this or Cholov Stam? :P
I believe this is a special case, we may need to invoke both. Maybe the Kollel served Cholov Stam with their coffee?  :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 16, 2014, 07:37:16 AM
How is it that every discussion come back either to this or Cholov Stam? :P
Simple once you speak about one Jew you speak about others

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ad120 on September 16, 2014, 11:04:29 AM
How is it that every discussion come back either to this or Cholov Stam? :P
+1
Thanks for bring up חלב סתם here. Now once we are on that topic...  ;D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2014, 11:12:58 AM
I believe this is a special case, we may need to invoke both. Maybe the Kollel served Cholov Stam with their coffee?  :P
Not going to throw shaving into that mix?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Ergel on September 16, 2014, 11:24:40 AM
I believe it has a lot to do with society and the desire to get something for nothing. Everyone believes nowadays they can get rich quick without doing any work for it. It permeates more than we realize
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 16, 2014, 11:26:48 AM
I believe it has a lot to do with society and the desire to get something for nothing. Everyone believes nowadays they can get rich quick without doing any work for it. It permeates more than we realize
As noted on the original thread about these guys: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43147.msg906131#msg906131
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 16, 2014, 11:36:27 AM
Not going to throw shaving into that mix?
For which gender?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 16, 2014, 11:37:41 AM
For which gender?
u missed these days  :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 12:33:22 PM
I believe it has a lot to do with society and the desire to get something for nothing. Everyone believes nowadays they can get rich quick without doing any work for it. It permeates more than we realize
This philosophy is an integral part of DDF.

This whole thread has gone wildly OT IMHO. The main concern always was the legal risk that the CC farms pose, and the impeding chillul hashem. 
The major difference between what the farmers do and what the average ddf'r does, is all about the scale. This scaling of the 'game' is indeed a great concern.
But everything else about 'opening businesses', Sweet talking reps and even RT should stay in the ETHICS thread where they belong.

The people who sign up with the farms are stupid but not "that" stupid. They have to know that its not all 100%...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 16, 2014, 12:37:37 PM
This philosophy is an integral part of DDF.

This whole thread has gone wildly OT IMHO. The main concern always was the legal risk that the CC farms pose, and the impeding chillul hashem. 
The major difference between what the farmers do and what the average ddf'r does, is all about the scale. This scaling of the 'game' is indeed a great concern.
But everything else about 'opening businesses', Sweet talking reps and even RT should stay in the ETHICS thread where they belong.

The people who sign up with the farms are stupid but not "that" stupid. They have to know that its not all 100%...
Agreed
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 16, 2014, 12:41:26 PM
I have a friend who works for Mishpacha - which these farms advertise in. He told me I should write up an email about them and he'll make sure that it gets to the proper person in the Mishpacha Magazine and they can see exactly who are advertising in their magazine. I am starting to write it up and would appreciate people PM'ing me phrases and things to say and I'll try to add it all in.
Thanks
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 16, 2014, 01:59:01 PM
Is Mishpacha still advertising these guys? I thought they stopped.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 16, 2014, 02:07:01 PM
@Dan, is there a chance that you will post about this?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2014, 03:04:04 PM
The major difference between what the farmers do and what the average ddf'r does, is all about the scale. This scaling of the 'game' is indeed a great concern.
Can't the same thing be said about DDFers? One opens 2 CC's and another opens 10+. One does 1k of MS and another does 100k+. What scale are we all using?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 03:23:47 PM
Can't the same thing be said about DDFers? One opens 2 CC's and another opens 10+. One does 1k of MS and another does 100k+. What scale are we all using?
100k+:P



But seriously, there's a vast difference between churning as an individual and operating a churning farm/ renting peoples SS numbers...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 03:25:30 PM
I believe it has a lot to do with society and the desire to get something for nothing. Everyone believes nowadays they can get rich quick without doing any work for it. It permeates more than we realize

Frum society breeds naive people... load up your kids with stories of yiddin getting riches showered from heaven, avoid instilling the fundamentals of hard work, honesty, thrift and mazal... you wind up with this, drug dealers and so on and so forth
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 03:27:43 PM
Frum society breeds naive people... load up your kids with stories of yiddin getting riches showered from heaven, avoid instilling the fundamentals of hard work, honesty, thrift and mazal... you wind up with this, drug dealers and so on and so forth
::)
Because no one else has fairy tales and angles and treasures and elves giving out presents...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 16, 2014, 03:28:21 PM
Can't the same thing be said about DDFers? One opens 2 CC's and another opens 10+. One does 1k of MS and another does 100k+. What scale are we all using?
Seems that alot of the concern is making sure we can continue to do what we do and that they don't harm us... How do we determine who is right and who is wrong? By what standards?

I have been following this discussion and I feel like there is no easy answer,  but it is hard to condemn others for doing what some of us on DDF do ourselves....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 03:33:25 PM
::)
Because no one else has fairy tales and angles and treasures and elves giving out presents...

There are gold diggers, fruadsters and scammers everywhere. But the difference is this, in secular society often with an emphasis of accomplishment on wealth or status.. and the general push to get a college degree etc

But the frum world eschews a higher calling.. no we dont care about $ they say.. as the guy scams people so he can buy 100k gasos with silver batim covers in real mink talis bag
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Lou Bob on September 16, 2014, 03:36:13 PM
There are gold diggers, fruadsters and scammers everywhere. But the difference is this, in secular society often with an emphasis of accomplishment on wealth or status.. and the general push to get a college degree etc

But the frum world eschews a higher calling.. no we dont care about $ they say.. as the guy scams people so he can buy 100k gasos with silver batim covers in real mink talis bag
you can't pick one guy who may "act"  frum, and then say that all frum people are like that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 03:36:52 PM
Frum society breeds naive people... load up your kids with stories of yiddin getting riches showered from heaven, avoid instilling the fundamentals of hard work, honesty, thrift and mazal... you wind up with this, drug dealers and so on and so forth
Alternatively: send them to public schools and 4 year colleges for a real education, load them up on drugs, zenus ed, TV and violent video games and you end up with sexual degenerates, alcoholics and so on and so forth.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 03:42:40 PM
you can't pick one guy who may "act"  frum, and then say that all frum people are like that.

Im only pointing out what possibly ails frum society.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 03:43:50 PM
Alternatively: send them to public schools and 4 year colleges for a real education, load them up on drugs, zenus ed, TV and violent video games and you end up with sexual degenerates, alcoholics and so on and so forth.

Except we are supposed to be better than them... and the frum world is full of the above btw
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2014, 03:46:24 PM
Alternatively: send them to public schools and 4 year colleges for a real education, load them up on drugs, zenus ed, TV and violent video games and you end up with sexual degenerates, alcoholics and so on and so forth.
Perhaps there is room for a middle ground?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 03:50:06 PM
Except we are supposed to be better than them... and the frum world is full of the above btw
If only things were always the way they were supposed to be... No one was ever guaranteed that being Frum would take away his Yetzer Harah...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on September 16, 2014, 03:53:17 PM
Chevron was missed...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 03:54:30 PM
Perhaps there is room for a middle ground?

Absolutely, emphasis on honest work..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 16, 2014, 03:55:14 PM
Alternatively: send them to public schools and 4 year colleges for a real education, load them up on drugs, zenus ed, TV and violent video games and you end up with sexual degenerates, alcoholics and so on and so forth.

Yes because that's exactly what happens to every one who goes to public school and college. You see the only way in this world to not be a degenerate is to go to the cheder. I guess I have no hope.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 03:55:41 PM
If only things were always the way they were supposed to be... No one was ever guaranteed that being Frum would take away his Yetzer Harah...

If you told me you were dishonest so you can eat fancy food etc I understand it.. but what I dont get is where people are dishonest and buy a 500$ esrog
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 03:57:57 PM
If you told me you were dishonest so you can eat fancy food etc I understand it.. but what I dont get is where people are dishonest and buy a 500$ esrog
And if someone told you that you would believe them? ???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 16, 2014, 03:58:03 PM
If you told me you were dishonest so you can eat fancy food etc I understand it.. but what I dont get is where people are dishonest and buy a 500$ esrog
What's the difference....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 03:59:57 PM
Yes because that's exactly what happens to every one who goes to public school and college. You see the only way in this world to not be a degenerate is to go to the cheder. I guess I have no hope.
Well chevron would have us believe that everyone who goes to Cheder and Yeshivah is:
...this [scammers], drug dealers and so on and so forth
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: shimino1 on September 16, 2014, 04:01:29 PM
Can we start a new thread called: "Do you hate frum people"? move the last few pages to there and keep this thread somewhat on topic?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:02:06 PM
What's the difference....

I suppose none really, perhaps some have a yetzer hara that tells them to be dishonest bein adam lechaveiro so he can pimp out his bein adam lemakom... thats the story (or parable) guy steals a kidush cup or something and rabbi tells him for teshuva to i dont remember maybe light candles or something.. so his friend asks him where is he getting the money for the tikun.. so he says same way i got the kidush cup
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Lou Bob on September 16, 2014, 04:02:14 PM
If you told me you were dishonest so you can eat fancy food etc I understand it.. but what I dont get is where people are dishonest and buy a 500$ esrog
there you go again.
Don't judge everyone by what one person does.
One person, ten people, a hundred people. Same rule applies.
We don't all steal to buy expensive esrogim.

If I would say I knew a couple people that brag about such a thing I'd be a lier. Maybe stop associating with so many of these people.

Ur never gonna have a perfect society. Always some people doing the wrong things
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:03:57 PM
Well chevron would have us believe that everyone who goes to Cheder and Yeshivah is:

Dont twist my words.. I said its a by-product, but if you want to hear those exact words just open failed messiah.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:06:12 PM
there you go again.
Don't judge everyone by what one person does.
One person, ten people, a hundred people. Same rule applies.
We don't all steal to buy expensive esrogim

I never implied or even hinted on every one etc... I am pointing out its a issue and what I think may be a cause of some of it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 04:18:05 PM
Perhaps there is room for a middle ground?
Why is that necessary? Are we all really drug dealers?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Lou Bob on September 16, 2014, 04:19:17 PM
Why is that necessary? Are we all really drug dealers?
you totally missed his point
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 16, 2014, 04:19:42 PM
you totally missed his point
probably the first time anyone did that in this thread...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 04:20:22 PM
I never implied or even hinted on every one etc... I am pointing out its a issue and what I think may be a cause of some of it.
What do you think the cause for non frum drug dealers is? Enlighten us?
What's the cause of all the promiscuity in non chareidi circles??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 04:22:19 PM
Generalizing is bad
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 04:22:34 PM
you totally missed his point
you missed mine.
'Middle ground' implies agreement with chevrons judgment of the frum upbringing.
His premises are false and ludicrous. Frum upbringing is not a cause of drug dealing. That is the exact opposite of the truth.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:26:12 PM
What do you think the cause for non frum drug dealers is? Enlighten us?
What's the cause of all the promiscuity in non chareidi circles??


Actually read freakonomics.. also there was a really good HONY post that dealt with it, the guy was saying how drug dealers are looked up to, they help people etc.. I guess perhaps the same way people justify fraud to give tzedaka.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 04:26:25 PM
Yes because that's exactly what happens to every one who goes to public school and college. You see the only way in this world to not be a degenerate is to go to the cheder. I guess I have no hope.
There is room for balei teshuva.
Don't give up!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 04:29:17 PM

Actually read freakonomics.. also there was a really good HONY post that dealt with it, the guy was saying how drug dealers are looked up to, they help people etc.. I guess perhaps the same way people justify fraud to give tzedaka.
right, so are frum drug dealers are very respected?
Do you realize how incoherent you are?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 16, 2014, 04:31:49 PM
What's the cause of all the promiscuity in non chareidi circles??
What's the cause of all the promiscuity in chareidi circles??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:31:53 PM
you missed mine.
'Middle ground' implies agreement with chevrons judgment of the frum upbringing.
His premises are false and ludicrous. Frum upbringing is not a cause of drug dealing. That is the exact opposite of the truth.

So then why are frum people so susceptible to getting scammed ? and why do we have so many scammers... WAIT WAIT WAIT, Before you say that well yes you know all sectors of society do.. I point out that WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 04:32:07 PM
right, so are frum drug dealers are very respected?
Do you realize how incoherent you are?
Of course they are! Haven't you read the comments in the Frum websites? :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 04:32:45 PM
So then why are frum people so susceptible to getting scammed ? and why do we have so many scammers... WAIT WAIT WAIT, Before you say that well yes you know all sectors of society do.. I point out that WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE DIFFERENT


If only things were always the way they were supposed to be...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:33:06 PM
right, so are frum drug dealers are very respected?
Do you realize how incoherent you are?

The guy that sent the 3 bocurim to jail in japan, shows up to court in a bekeishe and peyos longer than i ever hard.. Was the guy put in cherem?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 04:34:35 PM
The guy that sent the 3 bocurim to jail in japan, shows up to court in a bekeishe and peyos longer than i ever hard.. Was the guy put in cherem?
Wearing a Bekishe means you are respected? ???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:36:19 PM
Wearing a Bekishe means you are respected? ???

No, but you know what it is I suspect.. the Teshuva word.. you can be the biggest piece of work and the you go shuckle a it in shull and they will say oh you know he did teshuva..

Tell that to all my friends that repeatedly get scammed..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 16, 2014, 04:36:40 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 16, 2014, 04:38:36 PM
There is room for balei teshuva.
Don't give up!
:o I'm not a BT but you are very full of yourself. Frum people go to college and public school too. There's a kid in my shul who graduated as validictorian in his 1,000+ student highschool. He isn't a BT but his parents sent him there anyway. There is no one I know who works as hard as he does in his learning and he will likely become like R' Nosson Tzvi. IMHO going to a "frum school" doesn't grant you any god given rights over anyone else.

I thought this thread was addressing scams aimed at frum people by frum people all of whom ostensibly went to the "right" schools. Don't be so narrow minded bashing the rest of the world.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2014, 04:39:15 PM
What the heck happened to the 5k thread?  >:(

Do most agree the number one concern would be the potential damage that can be done with giving someone your personal information? If so why not concentrate on that message?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mountain Man on September 16, 2014, 04:40:50 PM
Do most agree the number one concern would be the potential damage that can be done with giving someone your personal information? If so why not concentrate on that message?
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 04:46:03 PM
What the heck happened to the 5k thread?  >:(

Do most agree the number one concern would be the potential damage that can be done with giving someone your personal information? If so why not concentrate on that message?
why you always going OT? :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 16, 2014, 04:47:54 PM
why you always going OT? :P

http://www.oholeitorah.com/
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2014, 04:53:59 PM
why you always going OT? :P
Most of them are in JS. I thought you guys were serious about doing something about this. I guess another case of talk the talk but can't walk the walk. Either way no skin off my back.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 16, 2014, 05:13:01 PM
(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
LOL
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 05:32:19 PM
This philosophy is an integral part of DDF......
The major difference between what the farmers do and what the average ddf'r does, is all about the scale. This scaling of the 'game' is indeed a great concern.
But everything else about 'opening businesses', Sweet talking reps and even RT should stay in the ETHICS thread where they belong.
If the difference is scale then you have the attitude of the dor hamabul who stole in small amounts. Either their methods are wrong for everyone or for no one. If you have no problem with using their methods then the only issue is their messing people up who do not understand the risks. If you feel their methods are wrong then don't do it on a small scale either.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 06:22:07 PM
If the difference is scale then you have the attitude of the dor hamabul who stole in small amounts. Either their methods are wrong for everyone or for no one. If you have no problem with using their methods then the only issue is their messing people up who do not understand the risks. If you feel their methods are wrong then don't do it on a small scale either.
Great points!
 They should be discussed in the ethics thread.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 06:26:42 PM
Great points!
 They should be discussed in the ethics thread.
except that if you have no problem with their methods this whole thread shouldn't exist
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 06:29:21 PM
except that if you have no problem with their methods this whole thread shouldn't exist
No. This thread is about them ruining it for us...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 16, 2014, 06:31:20 PM
except that if you have no problem with their methods this whole thread shouldn't exist
The original KK spoke of impeding prosecution and a massive chillul hashem. This has everything to do with scale.
IMHO this is all that needs to be discussed here.

I am in agreement with you that regarding right/wrong, halacha and ethics, size does not matter it can all be discussed elsewhere.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2014, 06:44:26 PM
No. This thread is about them ruining it for us...
...now I finally get it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 06:46:56 PM
...now I finally get it.
Welcome to the forums :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2014, 06:53:41 PM
Welcome to the forums :)
So while everyone pretends to care about others. It is all about getting theirs.  :-[
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 06:57:09 PM
No. This thread is about them ruining it for us...
so you want to place ads against them running their business and strong arm publications in to not accepting their ads making numerous entities lose business so that you should be able to continue taking advantage of loopholes that the banks don't really want you to do anyhow?:o
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: zh cohen on September 16, 2014, 07:01:54 PM
What happens when one of these guys gets their computer stolen, or hacked? Are they going to pay for credit monitoring for all of their clients?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2014, 07:21:32 PM
What happens when one of these guys gets their computer stolen, or hacked? Are they going to pay for credit monitoring for all of their clients?
They will just give you a link to Target or HD.  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 07:43:17 PM
They will just give you a link to Target or HD.  :)
lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on September 16, 2014, 08:13:55 PM
except that if you have no problem with their methods this whole thread shouldn't exist
How about the people who did not get the money they were promised? You missed that part?

I know more then one case already!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
How about the people who did not get the money they were promised? You missed that part?

I know more then one case already!
I wrote that in response to someone week said the whole issue is scale
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 16, 2014, 08:32:40 PM
Frum society breeds naive people... load up your kids with stories of yiddin getting riches showered from heaven, avoid instilling the fundamentals of hard work, honesty, thrift and mazal... you wind up with this, drug dealers and so on and so forth
Please post next time in the I am bitter Master Thread -  http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45188.msg920677#msg920677
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yomo on September 16, 2014, 10:40:47 PM
Perhaps there is room for a middle ground?
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yomo on September 16, 2014, 10:46:09 PM
:o I'm not a BT but you are very full of yourself. Frum people go to college and public school too. There's a kid in my shul who graduated as validictorian in his 1,000+ student highschool. He isn't a BT but his parents sent him there anyway. There is no one I know who works as hard as he does in his learning and he will likely become like R' Nosson Tzvi. IMHO going to a "frum school" doesn't grant you any god given rights over anyone else.

I thought this thread was addressing scams aimed at frum people by frum people all of whom ostensibly went to the "right" schools. Don't be so narrow minded bashing the rest of the world.
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 16, 2014, 10:51:15 PM
Ok after a days review we will put out an ad bashing all Kollel people, learning people, working people, BT's, FFB's chalav stam eaters and chalav Yisroel eaters. 

On the side we will put about these scam people I'm all in!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 16, 2014, 10:57:43 PM
Ok after a days review we will put out an ad bashing all Kollel people, learning people, working people, BT's and FFB's. 

On the side we will put about these scam people I'm all in!
and chalav stam eaters.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yomo on September 16, 2014, 10:58:39 PM
Please post next time in the I am bitter Master Thread -  http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45188.msg920677#msg920677
You missed the boat. No one is bitter. Everyone here loves all Jews. Just some valid points regarding how our "non-perfect" society and culture has evolved and some of it's unfortunate ramifications, one of which this thread was started for.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 16, 2014, 10:59:17 PM
and chalav stam eaters.
And chalav yisroel eaters
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 16, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
and chalav stam eaters.
And chalav yisroel eaters
Thanks I updated the post
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 17, 2014, 12:22:29 AM
You missed the boat. No one is bitter. Everyone here loves all Jews. Just some valid points regarding how our "non-perfect" society and culture has evolved and some of it's unfortunate ramifications, one of which this thread was started for.

I am not per see bitter, I have tremendous amount of ahavas yisrael, just helped distribute many hundreds of pounds of chicken and meat at cost and at farbrengen we stopped at we were discussing this and guy says why dont you mark up.. and I said I have my own business bh, if the ribono shel olam sees fit he will use that keli.. as for this just stam that I ended up with a huge amount of chicken and meat why should I make money? its a shud af yidishe gelt.

So the farbrengen was about tishrey and I said you know the tefillah of the cohen gadol... its all gashmius.. specifically that jews should not require support from one another and not another nation.

I was discussing this tonight with a good friend and I said, its ironic that I know people that are insane to be so strict bein adam lechaveiro but bein adam lemakom they are meh.

Why does it not set you ablaze that there are yidden that would stoop as low as Nigerian scammers ? We, am segula.. im sick of hearing the standard chareidi line about tznius vis a vis vehayu machaneichem kodesh..

Kodesh? a DDFer who will read this and know who I am got ripped off for 100k by a frum yid..

Why is kodesh not important when we are literally stealing food from peoples mouth... yes WE... Why do you think we say Ashamnu, bagadnu, gazalnu.. because we the jewish nation are collectively responsible

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 17, 2014, 12:28:18 AM
I cant remember where I read it, but along the lines of, your credit is your most valuable asset. How can people go around playing games with someones credit, pry on them and to boot screw them over what was promised.

btw this garbage all starts in yeshiva... low level fraud in a grey area is very prevalent... it builds up over the years, im not saying it goes on in many places but it was pretty much the norm when I was in yeshiva.

One example was placing collect calls to friends in yeshiva in israel...  and on and on and on
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on September 17, 2014, 12:53:15 AM
I cant remember where I read it, but along the lines of, your credit is your most valuable asset. How can people go around playing games with someones credit, pry on them and to boot screw them over what was promised.

btw this garbage all starts in yeshiva... low level fraud in a grey area is very prevalent... it builds up over the years, im not saying it goes on in many places but it was pretty much the norm when I was in yeshiva.

One example was placing collect calls to friends in yeshiva in israel...  and on and on and on

I can't speak for the yeshiva you went to, but the one I was at the exact opposite of scam breeders.
I feel bad that's where you grew up, I don't think/believe that's the norm.

Regarding scale: even if you are of the opinion that the average ddf'er is also stealing, scale still matters a lot. If someone steals $5, it's likely that no one will hear about it and no one will get hurt badly...Steal $1mm and everyone knows about it; think about the major Chillul Hashem the guy has caused. Think about the business or the person that got hurt badly, maybe altering his life. Can one act of theft be worse than another? DEFINITELY!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on September 17, 2014, 01:17:44 AM
I can't speak for the yeshiva you went to, but the one I was at the exact opposite of scam breeders.
I feel bad that's where you grew up, I don't think/believe that's the norm.

Regarding scale: even if you are of the opinion that the average ddf'er is also stealing, scale still matters a lot. If someone steals $5, it's likely that no one will hear about it and no one will get hurt badly...Steal $1mm and everyone knows about it; think about the major Chillul Hashem the guy has caused. Think about the business or the person that got hurt badly, maybe altering his life. Can one act of theft be worse than another? DEFINITELY!

I am not talking scale or chilul hashem and chilul hashem is horrible and affects jews as well... you think non religious people are not distanced from hashem and his torah by it?

Churning your own ccs and / or selling miles ok i get it.. playing games with peoples credit AND screwing them over ?!?

 If you cv lose credit because of this, your in down for way more than 5k.. and if they are doing the spending, who says they will pay it ?!?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 17, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
Sorry but I am not getting the whole comparison from them to ddf'ers, what they do is wrong & illegal! meaning to say they're whole "business idea" stands on doing something illegal.
Fraud: signing up a different person for a credit card as mentioned upthread is a federal crime even if the person allows it, selling miles: against the T&C, depositing checks that have no coverage (twice meaning it wasn't just a mistake that can happen to anyone) wrong! And the list goes on.
Now you want to say that there are ddf'ers that do the same, not necessarily I don't know about them we don't do it as a whole as an official thing there might be one or 2 of us that do it I assume, but that's not what our whole existence is about we can do it totally legally, they on the other hand they're whole idea runs on doing it wrong & illegal otherwise they can close shop!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 08:05:51 AM
Sorry but I am not getting the whole comparison from them to ddf'ers, what they do is wrong & illegal! meaning to say they're whole "business idea" stands on doing something illegal.
Fraud: signing up a different person for a credit card as mentioned upthread is a federal crime even if the person allows it, selling miles: against the T&C, depositing checks that have no coverage (twice meaning it wasn't just a mistake that can happen to anyone) wrong! And the list goes on.
Now you want to say that there are ddf'ers that do the same, not necessarily I don't know about them we don't do it as a whole as an official thing there might be one or 2 of us that do it I assume, but that's not what our whole existence is about we can do it totally legally, they on the other hand they're whole idea runs on doing it wrong & illegal otherwise they can close shop!
+1 Very well said
Can we move on!!!!!!!!
What are we going to about can we stop yapping and do something?

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 17, 2014, 08:10:40 AM
+1 Very well said
Can we move on!!!!!!!!
What are we going to about can we stop yapping and do something?
Tnx! I'm with you.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45061.msg919075.msg#919075
We need someone an individual that is taking lead in all this.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 08:27:53 AM
Regarding scale: even if you are of the opinion that the average ddf'er is also stealing, scale still matters a lot. If someone steals $5, it's likely that no one will hear about it and no one will get hurt badly...Steal $1mm and everyone knows about it; think about the major Chillul Hashem the guy has caused. Think about the business or the person that got hurt badly, maybe altering his life. Can one act of theft be worse than another? DEFINITELY!
The pickpocket shouldn't call the purse snatcher a thief
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 08:30:46 AM
The pickpocket shouldn't call the purse snatcher a thief
We should put that in the ad too?

Ok we fought about it yesterday LET'S MOVE ON.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 17, 2014, 08:49:23 AM

Fraud: signing up a different person for a credit card as mentioned upthread is a federal crime even if the person allows it,
source?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 08:56:15 AM
source?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45061.msg919635#msg919635

Now let's move on!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HolyNyc on September 17, 2014, 09:06:34 AM
If everyone thinks ads will work then start a fund. I will kick in.
waiting to see your pledge  ;) :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 09:07:07 AM
I think the point of many here is that there are two potential issues. That they may be messing people up and their methods. The correct approach to deal with it depends upon which issue, or both, you are trying to deal with. If you are dealing with people getting messed up then you are almost certainly best off using letters to the editor over placing ads. The first thing someone who sees an ad will ask is "what is the motive of the one who placed the ad". With a letter you do not have this question. The most obvious answer that people will give to the motive is that he is afraid the loophole will get closed. In that case the one who placed the ad may be worse than the one doing it. He is then like the ganiv who snitches on a different one who is getting the better loot since there is none left for him.
If the issue is his methods in and of themselves then for someone who uses the same methods to place an ad is certainly being hypocritical. It would mean that your issue is either again that he is messing it up for the others who use the same on a smaller scale or just that you feel you can do it as long as you don't get caught.
There are some here who do not wish to be so hypocritical and are only willing to participate if there is a clear issue of people being messed up in ways that they did not understand and would not have taken that risk. If the person understood and was ready to take the risk then there is no problem.
If the issue is that he is signing up for someone else with permission then you are getting into an area which may be illegal but not unethical and may also not warrant ads. They also will not be too effective when the issue is something that people feel is not wrong.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 09:10:29 AM
I think the point of many here is that there are two potential issues. That they may be messing people up and their methods. The correct approach to deal with it depends upon which issue, or both, you are trying to deal with. If you are dealing with people getting messed up then you are almost certainly best off using letters to the editor over placing ads. The first thing someone who sees an ad will ask is "what is the motive of the one who placed the ad". With a letter you do not have this question. The most obvious answer that people will give to the motive is that he is afraid the loophole will get closed. In that case the one who placed the ad may be worse than the one doing it. He is then like the ganiv who snitches on a different one who is getting the better loot since there is none left for him.
If the issue is his methods in and of themselves then for someone who uses the same methods to place an ad is certainly being hypocritical. It would mean that your issue is either again that he is messing it up for the others who use the same on a smaller scale or just that you feel you can do it as long as you don't get caught.
There are some here who do not wish to be so hypocritical and are only willing to participate if there is a clear issue of people being messed up in ways that they did not understand and would not have taken that risk. If the person understood and was ready to take the risk then there is no problem.
If the issue is that he is signing up for someone else with permission then you are getting into an area which may be illegal but not unethical and may also not warrant ads. They also will not be too effective when the issue is something that people feel is not wrong.
Can you please rewrite so I can read it?
Just because you write a lot of words doesn't mean we will get your point! In fact its the opposite.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lunatic on September 17, 2014, 09:13:39 AM
Can you please rewrite so I can read it?
Just because you write a lot of words doesn't mean we will get your point! In fact its the opposite.
It's a complicated issue
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 09:17:03 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45061.msg919635#msg919635 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45061.msg919635#msg919635)

Now let's move on!
We should put that in the ad too?

Ok we fought about it yesterday LET'S MOVE ON.


+1 Very well said
Can we move on!!!!!!!!
What are we going to about can we stop yapping and do something?


What exactly is your problem and what exactly do you want to do??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 09:17:45 AM
Can you please rewrite so I can read it?
Just because you write a lot of words doesn't mean we will get your point! In fact its the opposite.
     I think the point of many here is that there are two potential issues. That they may be messing people up and their methods. The correct approach to deal with it depends upon which issue, or both, you are trying to deal with. If you are dealing with people getting messed up then you are almost certainly best off using letters to the editor over placing ads. The first thing someone who sees an ad will ask is "what is the motive of the one who placed the ad". With a letter you do not have this question. The most obvious answer that people will give to the motive is that he is afraid the loophole will get closed. In that case the one who placed the ad may be worse than the one doing it. He is then like the ganiv who snitches on a different one who is getting the better loot since there is none left for him.

     If the issue is his methods in and of themselves then for someone who uses the same methods to place an ad is certainly being hypocritical. It would mean that your issue is either again that he is messing it up for the others who use the same on a smaller scale or just that you feel you can do it as long as you don't get caught.

     There are some here who do not wish to be so hypocritical and are only willing to participate if there is a clear issue of people being messed up in ways that they did not understand and would not have taken that risk. If the person understood and was ready to take the risk then there is no problem.

     If the issue is that he is signing up for someone else with permission then you are getting into an area which may be illegal but not unethical and may also not warrant ads. They also will not be too effective when the issue is something that people feel is not wrong.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 09:20:05 AM

lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 09:21:06 AM
What exactly is your problem and what exactly do you want to do??
Problem: These guys
What I want to do: Put out an ad

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 09:22:17 AM
lol
What's so funny, when you write in one long paragraph its very hard to read.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HolyNyc on September 17, 2014, 09:23:47 AM
Problem: These guys
What I want to do: Put out an ad
in which newspaper / how big of an ad / what will be the primary message ?
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 09:24:20 AM
Problem: These guys
What I want to do: Put out an ad
Since you apparently have an issue with statements more than a sentence long....

What is you problem with these guys?

What do you want the ad to say?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 09:24:53 AM
What's so funny, when you write in one long paragraph its very hard to read.
They were separate paragraphs just not double spaced.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HolyNyc on September 17, 2014, 09:29:48 AM
By the way if someone is doing this scam and is not from Lakewood is it ok ?   ;)
"Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Twin on September 17, 2014, 09:33:44 AM
By the way if someone is doing this scam and is not from Lakewood is it ok ?   ;)
"Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month"
There is only one guy offering this much money for your ss# and he is located out of lkwd he advertises everywhere but office is in lkwd
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 17, 2014, 09:37:20 AM
What is you problem with these guys?

The people that gave their info want the spending to be legitimate not shady spending.



What do you want the ad to say?

I think we should put 1 or 2 testimonials and put all the risks

The title should be "Its not a scam..but your getting scammed"

Ok VacationLover can you make an ad with the title that I gave and put in you testimonial.
Put on it the risks:
1 Amex closing all your accounts
2 Having to answer to amex why there are Refundable Chages on the account
3 Having your personal info by some random person
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: HolyNyc on September 17, 2014, 09:39:31 AM
And if someone offers you less for your ssn you should give it narrowing it down to one doesn't make sense IMO
There is only one guy offering this much money for your ss# and he is located out of lkwd he advertises everywhere but office is in lkwd
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on September 17, 2014, 09:48:01 AM
The pickpocket shouldn't call the purse snatcher a thief

What's that gotta do with what I wrote?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 10:22:18 AM
Regarding scale: even if you are of the opinion that the average ddf'er is also stealing, scale still matters a lot. If someone steals $5, it's likely that no one will hear about it and no one will get hurt badly...Steal $1mm and everyone knows about it; think about the major Chillul Hashem the guy has caused. Think about the business or the person that got hurt badly, maybe altering his life. Can one act of theft be worse than another? DEFINITELY!
You are basically saying that really they are both wrong just one is worse because of the larger scale. For those doing it on a smaller scale to place ads is the pickpocket calling the bank robber a theif.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 17, 2014, 10:24:21 AM
I think the point of many here is that there are two potential issues. That they may be messing people up and their methods. The correct approach to deal with it depends upon which issue, or both, you are trying to deal with. If you are dealing with people getting messed up then you are almost certainly best off using letters to the editor over placing ads. The first thing someone who sees an ad will ask is "what is the motive of the one who placed the ad". With a letter you do not have this question. The most obvious answer that people will give to the motive is that he is afraid the loophole will get closed. In that case the one who placed the ad may be worse than the one doing it. He is then like the ganiv who snitches on a different one who is getting the better loot since there is none left for him........

There are some here who do not wish to be so hypocritical and are only willing to participate if there is a clear issue of people being messed up in ways that they did not understand and would not have taken that risk. If the person understood and was ready to take the risk then there is no problem....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 17, 2014, 10:27:29 AM
OK OK OK ENOUGH with the back & forth back & forth whoever wants to debate the issue go to a new thread & whoever wants to stick "WE" wanna do something about it!

Seriously this is just never ending, taking words out of context putting it back in & finding words between the paragraphs, I think by now each & every argument has been pur out already & if someone still has an argument just search it you'll find the appropriate answer to that upthread & if you have what to answer back that too is covered already!
SO MOVE ON!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 17, 2014, 11:17:44 AM
You really can't trust anyone with your personal info.
http://www.vosizneias.com/179184/2014/09/17/new-york-5-ny-bank-tellers-charged-with-identity-theft/
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on September 17, 2014, 12:01:38 PM
You are basically saying that really they are both wrong just one is worse because of the larger scale. For those doing it on a smaller scale to place ads is the pickpocket calling the bank robber a theif.

I never said they are doing wrong. I'm playing devils advocate. I'm saying if YOU BELIEVE they're doing wrong, they're still not close to as bad. There's a reason why the US justice system punishes people that steal larger amounts much more severely, even though in essence, a guy that. Steals 1mm and a guy that's $100 are both just a "thief". 

Furthermore, would it bother you if a small time mobster snitches on the head mobster?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 17, 2014, 12:16:48 PM
Furthermore, would it bother you if a small time mobster snitches on the head mobster?
Yes.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on September 17, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
Yes.

I presume you dont believe in the "greater good".
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: koshergourmetmart on September 17, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
why would you allow people to apply in your name for a credit card?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
why would you allow people to apply in your name for a credit card?
Some people could use $5K maybe?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Lou Bob on September 17, 2014, 04:55:19 PM
Some people could use $5K maybe?
so ur ssn is worth $5k?
Im looking to buy
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 17, 2014, 04:59:17 PM
so ur ssn is worth $5k?
Im looking to buy
Not mine. I was just answering a question...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on September 17, 2014, 05:00:06 PM
I presume you dont believe in the "greater good".
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolley_problem
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on September 17, 2014, 05:32:11 PM
so ur ssn is worth $5k?
Im looking to buy
You can get online for $80
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 17, 2014, 07:15:56 PM
I presume you dont believe in the "greater good".
A snitch is the scum of the earth. Hope that clarifies my position.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 18, 2014, 01:34:07 AM
A snitch is the scum of the earth. Hope that clarifies my position.
Broad statement.  They shouldn't have turned in Levi aron? (In going to get yelled at here for going ot).
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 18, 2014, 06:30:58 AM
Broad statement.  They shouldn't have turned in Levi aron? (In going to get yelled at here for going ot).
Let them yell. Let me clarify further. Snitch as someone who rats someone out to save their own skin.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 18, 2014, 09:11:56 AM
so ur ssn is worth $5k?
Im looking to buy
You wish they would give 5k per person. They give you 5k ONLY IF you give husband AND wife's info and ONLY IF they are both approved for all 4 cards. Most people end up getting between 1-2k per person (or less)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: koshergourmetmart on September 22, 2014, 03:30:55 PM
the amt you have to risk by giving your ssn is more than 5k.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on September 22, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
I think we could kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

Instead of giving business to these 5k scammers, we can show our appreciation and give the parnassah to Dan.
I'm sure Dan can find a "glatt" way of making us 5k.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on September 22, 2014, 04:18:16 PM
I'm sure Dan can find a "glatt" way of making us 5k.
He didn't find it for you yet? What's the point of the forums?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: nocknock on September 22, 2014, 08:13:05 PM
It's the first time I opened this thread.

I read the wiki I just want tell the guy who got scammed that he should call up that guy that if he doesn't get everything that he promised you you'll call up American Express that your info got stolen and you know his IP bla bla......
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on September 22, 2014, 09:22:24 PM
It's the first time I opened this thread.

I read the wiki I just want tell the guy who got scammed that he should call up that guy that if he doesn't get everything that he promised you you'll call up American Express that your info got stolen and you know his IP bla bla......
Read the rest of the thread..   ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 28, 2014, 12:51:27 AM
Feel free to borrow my letter to Ami:

To Whom it May Concern,
While perusing your excellent magazine, I was very disturbed to see an ad on p. 83 for the anonymous outfit that offers thousands for 'just calling'.
This 'business' is applying for credit cards in other peoples names, misstating their income, getting them approved for credit cards and then spending thousands in order to fet miles. The customer receives financial compensation if it all works out.

Among the numerous issues:

a) it is very possibly a federal crime to impersonate others (even with permission) when applying for a credit card.
b) The applicant's income is generally inaccurate. Misstating income on a credit application is a crime that people have most definitely been jailed for.
b) your readers are being encouraged to hand over their social security number and other very personal information to virtual strangers. This is a ripe situation for mass identity theft.
c) the spending is done via refundable tickets and other dubious means, which are against the rules of the credit card companies
d) the customer will very possibly be blacklisted and never be able to apply for a credit card from that company.

The customers are not being educated about any of the above, they are being told to hand over their social and their wife's social in exchange for $5000. The innocent readership of your magazine will be severely taken advantage of.

In addition there was a Kol Koreh against this practice signed by many rabanim in Lakewood (where it began).

I urge you to discontinue the ads immediately, and perhaps publish a feature article explaining the dangers of identity theft and fraudulent credit card applications to your readership.

Thank you
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on September 28, 2014, 01:00:27 AM
Feel free to borrow my letter to Ami:

To Whom it May Concern,
While perusing your excellent magazine, I was very disturbed to see an ad on p. 83 for the anonymous outfit that offers thousands for 'just calling'.
This 'business' is applying for credit cards in other peoples names, misstating their income, getting them approved for credit cards and then spending thousands in order to fet miles. The customer receives financial compensation if it all works out.

Among the numerous issues:

a) it is very possibly a federal crime to impersonate others (even with permission) when applying for a credit card.
b) The applicant's income is generally inaccurate. Misstating income on a credit application is a crime that people have most definitely been jailed for.
b) your readers are being encouraged to hand over their social security number and other very personal information to virtual strangers. This is a ripe situation for mass identity theft.
c) the spending is done via refundable tickets and other dubious means, which are against the rules of the credit card companies
d) the customer will very possibly be blacklisted and never be able to apply for a credit card from that company.

The customers are not being educated about any of the above, they are being told to hand over their social and their wife's social in exchange for $5000. The innocent readership of your magazine will be severely taken advantage of.

In addition there was a Kol Koreh against this practice signed by many rabanim in Lakewood (where it began).

I urge you to discontinue the ads immediately, and perhaps publish a feature article explaining the dangers of identity theft and fraudulent credit card applications to your readership.

Thank you
Nice, but will Ami listen
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 28, 2014, 01:02:50 AM
Feel free to borrow my letter to Ami:

To Whom it May Concern,
While perusing your excellent magazine, I was very disturbed to see an ad on p. 83 for the anonymous outfit that offers thousands for 'just calling'.
This 'business' is applying for credit cards in other peoples names, misstating their income, getting them approved for credit cards and then spending thousands in order to fet miles. The customer receives financial compensation if it all works out.

Among the numerous issues:

a) it is very possibly a federal crime to impersonate others (even with permission) when applying for a credit card.
b) The applicant's income is generally inaccurate. Misstating income on a credit application is a crime that people have most definitely been jailed for.
b) your readers are being encouraged to hand over their social security number and other very personal information to virtual strangers. This is a ripe situation for mass identity theft.
c) the spending is done via refundable tickets and other dubious means, which are against the rules of the credit card companies
d) the customer will very possibly be blacklisted and never be able to apply for a credit card from that company.

The customers are not being educated about any of the above, they are being told to hand over their social and their wife's social in exchange for $5000. The innocent readership of your magazine will be severely taken advantage of.

In addition there was a Kol Koreh against this practice signed by many rabanim in Lakewood (where it began).

I urge you to discontinue the ads immediately, and perhaps publish a feature article explaining the dangers of identity theft and fraudulent credit card applications to your readership.

Thank you
Any response from them ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 28, 2014, 01:14:32 AM
Any response from them ?
I just sent it, a little while ago, but it was opened by someone already.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2014, 02:26:10 AM
Feel free to borrow my letter to Ami:

To Whom it May Concern,
While perusing your excellent magazine, I was very disturbed to see an ad on p. 83 for the anonymous outfit that offers thousands for 'just calling'.
This 'business' is applying for credit cards in other peoples names, misstating their income, getting them approved for credit cards and then spending thousands in order to fet miles. The customer receives financial compensation if it all works out.

Among the numerous issues:

a) it is very possibly a federal crime to impersonate others (even with permission) when applying for a credit card.
b) The applicant's income is generally inaccurate. Misstating income on a credit application is a crime that people have most definitely been jailed for.
b) your readers are being encouraged to hand over their social security number and other very personal information to virtual strangers. This is a ripe situation for mass identity theft.
c) the spending is done via refundable tickets and other dubious means, which are against the rules of the credit card companies
d) the customer will very possibly be blacklisted and never be able to apply for a credit card from that company.

The customers are not being educated about any of the above, they are being told to hand over their social and their wife's social in exchange for $5000. The innocent readership of your magazine will be severely taken advantage of.

In addition there was a Kol Koreh against this practice signed by many rabanim in Lakewood (where it began).

I urge you to discontinue the ads immediately, and perhaps publish a feature article explaining the dangers of identity theft and fraudulent credit card applications to your readership.

Thank you
Misstating income has only been prosecuted when a person defaulted on a loan. If you include falsehoods in your letter, it will not be taken seriously.

Also your first statement about it being possibly a federal crime to apply with someones permission, desperately needs a source - if one exists.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on September 28, 2014, 02:55:24 AM
Also your first statement about it being possibly a federal crime to apply with someones permission, desperately needs a source - if one exists.
my brother in law is a lawyer and he told me it is.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 28, 2014, 03:03:16 AM
Misstating income has only been prosecuted when a person defaulted on a loan. If you include falsehoods in your letter, it will not be taken seriously.
The crime jailed for is misstating income. sometimes civil, sometimes criminal. Who's to say these guys will pay the bill? where's the falsehood?

Quote
Also your first statement about it being possibly a federal crime to apply with someones permission, desperately needs a source - if one exists.
I'm quite certain this was addressed upthread. definitely covered by state penal codes (e.g section 532 of the CA penal code). But I'm quite certain it's covered by the Federal code, especially once it becomes interstate as credit cards do.

I'm not a lawyer, and I may be wrong on one or more points, but my main point, which comes through regardless, is that it's irresponsible. And I think the more of us (people who agree with me) that say so, the better chance of it being effective.
If you disagree, I'm not here to argue with you. I can see the arguments being made.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2014, 03:07:19 AM
The crime jailed for is misstating income. sometimes civil, sometimes criminal. Who's to say these guys will pay the bill? where's the falsehood?
I'm quite certain this was addressed upthread. definitely covered by state penal codes (e.g section 532 of the CA penal code). But I'm quite certain it's covered by the Federal code, especially once it becomes interstate as credit cards do.

I'm not a lawyer, and I may be wrong on one or more points, but my main point, which comes through regardless, is that it's irresponsible. And I think the more of us (people who agree with me) that say so, the better chance of it being effective.
If you disagree, I'm not here to argue with you. I can see the arguments being made.
I wrote Ami a letter too.

I just believe that many of your points are very weak.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Malachi on September 28, 2014, 08:44:26 AM
I wrote Ami a letter too.

I just believe that many of your points are very weak.
Care to let us see it?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on September 28, 2014, 09:38:04 AM
Care to let us see it?
I hope "Baruch"  is not behind the 5k scam. Fishhhy ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on September 28, 2014, 11:42:27 AM
Feel free to borrow my letter to Ami:

To Whom it May Concern,
While perusing your excellent magazine, I was very disturbed to see an ad on p. 83 for the anonymous outfit that offers thousands for 'just calling'.
This 'business' is applying for credit cards in other peoples names, misstating their income, getting them approved for credit cards and then spending thousands in order to fet miles. The customer receives financial compensation if it all works out.

Among the numerous issues:

a) it is very possibly a federal crime to impersonate others (even with permission) when applying for a credit card.
b) The applicant's income is generally inaccurate. Misstating income on a credit application is a crime that people have most definitely been jailed for.
b) your readers are being encouraged to hand over their social security number and other very personal information to virtual strangers. This is a ripe situation for mass identity theft.
c) the spending is done via refundable tickets and other dubious means, which are against the rules of the credit card companies
d) the customer will very possibly be blacklisted and never be able to apply for a credit card from that company.

The customers are not being educated about any of the above, they are being told to hand over their social and their wife's social in exchange for $5000. The innocent readership of your magazine will be severely taken advantage of.

In addition there was a Kol Koreh against this practice signed by many rabanim in Lakewood (where it began).

I urge you to discontinue the ads immediately, and perhaps publish a feature article explaining the dangers of identity theft and fraudulent credit card applications to your readership.

Thank you
Well written, the "zeman" should get one as well.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 28, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
Country Yossi has the ad as well. According to Joseph S. the 5k he received was a lifesaver. Go figure
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: SOS on September 29, 2014, 06:51:46 PM
The front page in monsey had a ad on the front cover this post week
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on September 30, 2014, 03:16:16 PM
The reply, for what it's worth. (Hint: not much)

Hi,

Thank you for your interest in Ami magazine.

We appreciate the feedback.

I forwarded your email to the correct parties.

Thank you and all the best!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 30, 2014, 03:24:22 PM
The reply, for what it's worth. (Hint: not much)

Hi,

Thank you for your interest in Ami magazine.

We appreciate the feedback.

I forwarded your email to the correct parties.

Thank you and all the best!
"Not much" sounds about right.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avrumy22 on September 30, 2014, 03:28:31 PM
my brother in law is a lawyer and he told me it is.

Name, Firm, and GPA.  :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on October 01, 2014, 11:19:45 AM
The reply, for what it's worth. (Hint: not much)

Hi,

Thank you for your interest in Ami magazine.

We appreciate the feedback.

I forwarded your email to the correct parties.

Thank you and all the best!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: rots5 on October 01, 2014, 11:28:10 AM
it was the front page. saw it also
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chevron on October 01, 2014, 07:09:44 PM
are they also closing the cards or they stay open ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 01, 2014, 07:25:45 PM
are they also closing the cards or they stay open ?
There's no mention in the ad of closing them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on October 01, 2014, 07:39:17 PM
are they also closing the cards or they stay open ?
they'll close them (so it can get churned after 12 months) but you can ask them for you to keep it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 01, 2014, 07:40:12 PM
they'll close them (so it can get churned after 12 months) but you can ask them for you to keep it
They automatically close them ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on October 01, 2014, 07:41:23 PM
They automatically close them ?
yes, to avoid annual fee
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 01, 2014, 07:44:08 PM
yes, to avoid annual fee
So Amex is causing people trouble after the cards are already closed ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on October 01, 2014, 07:59:11 PM
So Amex is causing people trouble after the cards are already closed ?
they probably didn't close the cards yet
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: clear thinker on October 01, 2014, 09:44:28 PM
These guys are not stopping they're only advertising more aggressively!!
What happened with "our" efforts?
Weren't we supposed (to try) to stop them??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 01, 2014, 09:49:13 PM
These guys are not stopping they're only advertising more aggressively!!
What happened with "our" efforts?
Weren't we supposed (to try) to stop them??
They probably paid for a year's worth of ads. Not going to be easy to stop them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 3yummyboys on October 20, 2014, 01:50:25 PM
These guys are operating a business. Lots of people are too lazy to work the CC scene so this is basically like paying someone to do it for you. Although I think it's a huge waste and of course a risk, people have to realize that this is a business and it appeals to many people who don't have time or energy for churning and MS. It's not the job of the DDF to shut them down. All we can do is try to inform people of the risks and of the fact that if they do it themselves they can earn much much more.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: sky121 on October 20, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
These guys are operating a business. Lots of people are too lazy to work the CC scene so this is basically like paying someone to do it for you. Although I think it's a huge waste and of course a risk, people have to realize that this is a business and it appeals to many people who don't have time or energy for churning and MS. It's not the job of the DDF to shut them down. All we can do is try to inform people of the risks and of the fact that if they do it themselves they can earn much much more.
People aren't aware they are lying and making charges that are red flags etc.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on October 20, 2014, 06:24:10 PM
People aren't aware they are lying and making charges that are red flags etc.
+1 exactly. And doing "other" activities to meet spend that causes fr among other problems.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BigDanFan on October 20, 2014, 07:15:48 PM
+1 exactly. And doing "other" activities to meet spend that causes fr among other problems.
+1 it can mess up their credit for the next 7 years. what if they want to buy a house? they'll have bad credit.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 20, 2014, 07:20:33 PM
:( i didnt get my check yet (i applied by an agent 5 weeks ago), and i got the 150k offer in my mail. what a shame :(
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 20, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
:( i didnt get my check yet (i applied by an agent 5 weeks ago), and i got the 150k offer in my mail. what a shame :(
Did he say how long it would take ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 20, 2014, 07:34:49 PM
Did he say how long it would take ?
He says he is backed up due to Sukkos. I should call back in 2 weeks
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 20, 2014, 07:36:58 PM
He says he is backed up due to Sukkos. I should call back in 2 weeks
He could be saying the truth. Part of the last 5 weeks have been yomim tovim.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 20, 2014, 07:39:48 PM
He could. But after getting several calls from hotels.com, delta, zipcar, and Amex. I just want to see the money! Had enough aggravation case closed!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 20, 2014, 07:41:06 PM
He could. But after getting several calls from hotels.com, delta, zipcar, and Amex. I just want to see the money! Had enough aggravation case closed!
Yup. That's exactly why people want them stopped.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on October 21, 2014, 09:48:38 AM
He could. But after getting several calls from hotels.com, delta, zipcar, and Amex. I just want to see the money! Had enough aggravation case closed!
What did hotels.com etc. want to know?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 21, 2014, 09:50:28 AM
They asked if I made reservations in Las Veges and in Miami 6k each
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 21, 2014, 09:55:48 AM
Actually. Why are you asking? I have a feeling that the agents are here on DDF and try to find out who we are !?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on October 21, 2014, 10:16:12 AM
Actually. Why are you asking? I have a feeling that the agents are here on DDF and try to find out who we are !?
What were you thinking when you called them? Free Money?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 21, 2014, 10:18:26 AM
What were you thinking when you called them? Free Money?
Explain please
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on October 21, 2014, 10:20:58 AM
Explain please
What made you give them all your info?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 21, 2014, 10:21:55 AM
What made you give them all your info?
Because they offer free $5k ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 21, 2014, 10:26:44 AM
What made you give them all your info?
Long story. Basically i had the rsvp's but couldn't swipe the 30k. I got heated thinking how much money i can make... then i caught a 'shvache minit' and gave them my info. I regretted immediately (see my story more to the begging of the post) i would strictly NOT recommend going to them even if you have no money!!!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on October 21, 2014, 10:40:57 AM
Long story. Basically i had the rsvp's but couldn't swipe the 30k. I got heated thinking how much money i can make... then i caught a 'shvache minit' and gave them my info. I regretted immediately (see my story more to the begging of the post) i would strictly NOT recommend going to them even if you have no money!!!!
Feel your pain! I hope you see your money soon.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: LoLo on October 31, 2014, 02:00:01 AM
So you told hotels.com that you DID make those reservations?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on October 31, 2014, 10:13:01 AM
Actually. Why are you asking? I have a feeling that the agents are here on DDF and try to find out who we are !?
Agents for the scammers or Hotels.com? I'm confused.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on October 31, 2014, 10:19:04 AM
Agents for the scammers or Hotels.com? I'm confused.
Scamers
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 12, 2014, 08:17:04 AM
"Where What When" in Baltimore is running these adds - http://www.wherewhatwhen.com/volume/november/mobile/index.html#p=8
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on November 12, 2014, 08:27:49 AM
"Where What When" in Baltimore is running these adds - http://www.wherewhatwhen.com/volume/november/mobile/index.html#p=8
...and on page 72 there's an article about people hacking personal information!
 :-\
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 12, 2014, 08:36:58 AM
...and on page 72 there's an article about people hacking personal information!
 :-\
OMG! Maybe they can put this add in the middle of that article as proof!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on November 12, 2014, 04:21:37 PM
"Where What When" in Baltimore is running these adds - http://www.wherewhatwhen.com/volume/november/mobile/index.html#p=8
Email them.  It helps
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 12, 2014, 04:48:21 PM
Crown Heights Community Links has an ad...
They are getting smarter, instead of promising $5000 they promise "thousands of dollars in a month"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 12, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
Crown Heights Community Links has an ad...
They are getting smarter, instead of promising $5000 they promise "thousands of dollars in a month"
Some of the other magazines changed that awhile ago.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 13, 2014, 04:15:56 PM
most of these ads are from the same krooks 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 13, 2014, 04:18:45 PM
WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN NOT TO TRUST THEM  >:(

this is the txt he got today: congrats! msg from card offer uve been approved for cards! they'll arrive in 2 days latest! dont activate cards, call us asap with card info,
if we don't hear from u in exactly 7 days the system will auto cancel all cards due to security concerns. thanks and have a great day! dont txt/call this # we won't get msg
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on November 13, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
9 BM ?
 ???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 13, 2014, 04:27:47 PM
WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN NOT TO TRUST THEM  >:(

this is the txt he got today: congrats! msg from card offer uve been approved for cards! they'll arrive in 2 days latest! dont activate cards, call us asap with card info,
if we don't hear from u in exactly 7 days the system will auto cancel all cards due to security concerns. thanks and have a great day! dont txt/call this # we won't get msg
who's the "he"? And how in the world did they pull that off?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 13, 2014, 04:30:52 PM
Wish I could pull that off for myself.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 13, 2014, 04:34:16 PM
9 BM ?
 ???
Yup, what else?
Gonna kill MBM for everyone like Citi did.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Myccrabbi on November 13, 2014, 04:37:37 PM
Yup, what else?
Gonna kill MBM for everyone like Citi did.
Yup, these guys used to do citi before they got wind of rsvp.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on November 13, 2014, 04:42:02 PM
Maybe these guys should be giving the seminar.
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 13, 2014, 04:51:54 PM
How do they get the sign ups for multiple cards? I have friends that know how. But they won't say...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on November 13, 2014, 04:55:27 PM
total of about 800,000 MR points!!! and all they share is $3000???? what nerve after all the risk involved...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 13, 2014, 05:08:06 PM
My friend called me after he got this text why is it automatically going to be closed all cards if he doesn't activates it within7 days
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 13, 2014, 05:11:31 PM
My friend called me after he got this text why is it automatically going to be closed all cards if he doesn't activates it within7 days
and what'd you tell him?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 13, 2014, 05:18:26 PM
You didn't want to see his face after I spoke to him and checked it up online he is not continuing with them and he wants to close all cards before they call him back.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 13, 2014, 05:43:26 PM
You didn't want to see his face after I spoke to him and checked it up online he is not continuing with them and he wants to close all cards before they call him back.
Why would he do that?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 13, 2014, 05:47:16 PM
You didn't want to see his face after I spoke to him and checked it up online he is not continuing with them and he wants to close all cards before they call him back.
just keep them for himself. Do the spend, and enjoy the 800k+ MR!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: coralsnake on November 13, 2014, 05:51:39 PM
just keep them for himself. Do the spend, and enjoy the 800k+ MR!
Im going to go out on a limb here and say that a guy who gave his info to the 9bm crew most likely doesn't know how to spend $75,000 in the next few months to get those points.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 13, 2014, 05:53:45 PM
Im going to go out on a limb here and say that a guy who gave his info to the 9bm crew most likely doesn't know how to spend $75,000 in the next few months to get those points.
maybe his friend cubicles knows how and will help him out.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 13, 2014, 05:54:50 PM
Im going to go out on a limb here and say that a guy who gave his info to the 9bm crew most likely doesn't know how to spend $75,000 in the next few months to get those points.
He could read DDF & get some good ideas.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 13, 2014, 06:05:35 PM
Whats your opinion is there anything for him to worry from these krooks?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 13, 2014, 06:16:51 PM
Whats your opinion is there anything for him to worry from these krooks?
if they have all his info, I'd be scarred! Also,  If they realize that he is ignoring them what's stopping them from calling Amex and personating him and saying i never received the cards and having them reshipped to a different address?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 13, 2014, 06:22:55 PM
Would they ship to a different address?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 13, 2014, 06:25:42 PM
Would they ship to a different address?
for sure if they change the billing address, they will ship it to a different address. I don't know about in other cases
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 13, 2014, 07:20:42 PM
Why is no one discussing how they actually manage getting so many of the same card? Why does no one discuss this on the forums? Is it taboo over here?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on November 13, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Why is no one discussing how they actually manage getting so many of the same card? Why does no one discuss this on the forums? Is it taboo over here?
very simple, they take risks which most ddf'ers aren't willing to take
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 13, 2014, 07:50:07 PM
very simple, they take risks which most ddf'ers aren't willing to take
such as?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 13, 2014, 07:50:14 PM
very simple, they take risks for other which most aren't willing to take for themselves...
FTFY
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 13, 2014, 07:53:24 PM
Why is no one discussing how they actually manage getting so many of the same card? Why does no one discuss this on the forums? Is it taboo over here?
Because those that are doing it do not want it killed.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on November 13, 2014, 07:57:55 PM
Because those that are doing it do not want it killed.
I don't belive you any more
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on November 13, 2014, 08:00:25 PM
I don't belive you any more
I think that puts you on the "A" list
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 13, 2014, 08:01:37 PM
I don't belive you any more
No one should believe me. I just make things up.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 13, 2014, 08:05:41 PM
very simple, they take risks which most ddf'ers aren't willing to take
People won't try 9 if they can't get 4 approved.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 13, 2014, 08:10:14 PM
I just make things up.
& that we should believe ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 13, 2014, 08:18:01 PM
& that we should believe ?
OK, you caught me.  :-[
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 13, 2014, 08:38:16 PM
& that we should believe ?
Liar's paradox?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 13, 2014, 08:42:44 PM
Liar's paradox?
:)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 13, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
What kind of risks are involved?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 13, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Im going to go out on a limb here and say that a guy who gave his info to the 9bm crew most likely doesn't know how to spend $75,000 in the next few months to get those points.
Refundable tickets?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on November 13, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
It has been claimed above that they have people in the "inside" if that's true perhaps they can arrange addresses
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on November 13, 2014, 11:10:02 PM
It has been claimed above that they have people in the "inside" if that's true perhaps they can arrange addresses
it's BS
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: coralsnake on November 13, 2014, 11:28:02 PM
it's BS

+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: efflpetzel on November 14, 2014, 01:31:22 AM

WHEN WILL PEOPLE LEARN NOT TO TRUST THEM  >:(

this is the txt he got today: congrats! msg from card offer uve been approved for cards! they'll arrive in 2 days latest! dont activate cards, call us asap with card info,
if we don't hear from u in exactly 7 days the system will auto cancel all cards due to security concerns. thanks and have a great day! dont txt/call this # we won't get msg
holy crap, I'm speechless from this pic
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 23, 2014, 12:07:16 PM
New scam story, my aunt did not listen to me and my father and went to these people. Now she somehow has a lien on her because they didn't refund the tickets in time, and she has no idea how she is going to pay for the thousands of dollars in charges that she is now responsible for.

WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS NOW!!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on November 23, 2014, 12:18:10 PM
New scam story, my aunt did not listen to me and my father and went to these people. Now she somehow has a lien on her because they didn't refund the tickets in time, and she has no idea how she is going to pay for the thousands of dollars in charges that she is now responsible for.

WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS NOW!!!
Which company of cc farmers was this?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Super Speed on November 23, 2014, 12:25:21 PM
New scam story, my aunt did not listen to me and my father and went to these people. Now she somehow has a lien on her because they didn't refund the tickets in time, and she has no idea how she is going to pay for the thousands of dollars in charges that she is now responsible for.

WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS NOW!!!
They won't pay it back???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 23, 2014, 12:26:51 PM
What would happen if she would claim identity theft?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on November 23, 2014, 12:41:46 PM
New scam story, my aunt did not listen to me and my father and went to these people. Now she somehow has a lien on her because they didn't refund the tickets in time, and she has no idea how she is going to pay for the thousands of dollars in charges that she is now responsible for.

WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS NOW!!!
Can you provide the phone number of them? What do they say about the charge?

I fell into the trap (845 #) and had trouble too, but it B"H ended, when i received my check for $1400 (instead of $2500!!) I called Amex to close the accounts. Never again!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: sky121 on November 23, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
When are we getting a post on the main site about all this? Whatever happened to putting ads in the paper about this? Wasn't that discussed?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2014, 12:49:39 PM
I just noticed that the scammers adds are in the Zman again (first page).
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 23, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
I just noticed that the scammers adds are in the Zman again (first page).
They are advertised all over,
And the 718, 845 and 732 are the same krooks they are located in Lakewood.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 23, 2014, 12:57:16 PM
I just noticed that the scammers adds are in the Zman again (first page).
The Kislev one?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 23, 2014, 01:07:45 PM
The Kislev one?
the ebola one. Dunno what month.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 23, 2014, 02:00:23 PM
New scam story, my aunt did not listen to me and my father and went to these people. Now she somehow has a lien on her because they didn't refund the tickets in time, and she has no idea how she is going to pay for the thousands of dollars in charges that she is now responsible for.

WE MUST PUT A STOP TO THIS NOW!!!
Aren't they doing refundable tickets? Just cancel the ticket?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 23, 2014, 06:47:44 PM
Aren't they doing refundable tickets? Just cancel the ticket?
The story isnt 100% clear, because the company is not sharing exactly what happened. But what appears to have happened was that they didn't cancel the ticket in time, and are now fighting the bill, in the meantime my aunt got a 7k bill...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on November 23, 2014, 06:49:24 PM
The story isnt 100% clear, because the company is not sharing exactly what happened. But what appears to have happened was that they didn't cancel the ticket in time, and are now fighting the bill, in the meantime my aunt got a 7k bill...
and there goes her credit...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 23, 2014, 06:58:42 PM
and there goes her credit...
Yup, though of course the company claims "they are taking care of it"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Super Speed on November 23, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
Yup, though of course the company claims "they are taking care of it"
I don't promote these guys and I actually don't like what they're doing but I bet your aunt will not end up having to pay for that bill. Screw ups happen but I think they would be smart enough to take responsibility if they can't get a refund.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 23, 2014, 07:16:57 PM
I don't promote these guys and I actually don't like what they're doing but I bet your aunt will not end up having to pay for that bill. Screw ups happen but I think they would be smart enough to take responsibility if they can't get a refund.
Actually this is the 2nd time this incident happened to her (people just don't learn their lesson) but the first time she successfully disputed the charge claiming that she didn't make the charge, and that is what she is banking on again.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on November 23, 2014, 07:22:59 PM
Yup, though of course the company claims "they are taking care of it"
good luck
I have a friend who used to work for them but left because he didn't like working in a crooked business if i get a chance maybe i can get some more info about these things from him
I'm sure it's not the first time such a thing happened
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on November 25, 2014, 06:05:13 AM


Screw ups happen but I think they would be smart enough to take responsibility if they can't get a refund.

They probably wont. I have a friend who is still dealing with a dispute From months ago From a similiar episode
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 25, 2014, 10:12:38 AM
The downside of a dispute is that you are taking responsibility for the card. Why shouldn't she just claim identity theft?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on November 25, 2014, 10:24:00 AM
The downside of a dispute is that you are taking responsibility for the card. Why shouldn't she just claim identity theft?
Because unfortunately it wasn't, they will have recordings and then your in trouble. 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 10:26:45 AM
When are we getting a post on the main site about all this?
Didn't I do that already?
What else is there to add?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 25, 2014, 10:27:15 AM
Because unfortunately it wasn't, they will have recordings and then your in trouble. 
+1
They probably recorded every phone call and every email where you gave authorization.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on November 25, 2014, 10:29:30 AM
+1
They probably recorded every phone call and every email where you gave authorization.
I don't think they're sophisticated enough to be recording phone calls
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on November 25, 2014, 10:31:51 AM
I don't think they're sophisticated enough to be recording phone calls
we are talking about Amex ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on November 25, 2014, 10:33:31 AM
we are talking about Amex ;)
amex has the recordings of the cc farms calling on your behalf, you can say you didn't give authorisation for them to call for you
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 25, 2014, 10:34:22 AM
I don't think they're sophisticated enough to be recording phone calls
Not very hard to do. Especially if they're gonna be accused of identity theft.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 25, 2014, 10:36:08 AM
I don't think they're sophisticated enough to be recording phone calls
Doesn't take that much sophistication and I doubt they are THAT dumb not to record...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 25, 2014, 10:52:50 AM
Didn't I do that already?
What else is there to add?
C'mon...... You know exactly what you have to do. Be Meramez in a NYC TR does nothing.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 25, 2014, 10:55:20 AM
I think if Dan writes a full post on this people will just say he's doing it because he's afraid of "competition" or such silly things. better to ignore it and maybe just have a post teaching people to use common sense with their personal information....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on November 25, 2014, 11:01:07 AM
I think if Dan writes a full post on this people will just say he's doing it because he's afraid of "competition" or such silly things. better to ignore it and maybe just have a post teaching people to use common sense with their personal information....
These stories are getting out of hand!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 11:03:56 AM
Meramez in a TR?
What do you call this?http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 25, 2014, 11:10:16 AM
Seems pretty spelled out to me. Maybe people just want it "stickied to the top"  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on November 25, 2014, 11:32:51 AM
Meramez in a TR?
What do you call this?http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584
I think it needs to be again in more detail quoting some of the story's that happened.
Seems pretty spelled out to me. Maybe people just want it "stickied to the top"  :)
+1 and Dan if you want money for it I think we can arrange it!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 25, 2014, 11:52:05 AM
Meramez in a TR?
What do you call this?http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584
Forgot about that post. Still, I think much more people will read the post with a better leading headline. Like "Why Not To Make $5,000 In One Month" Explain what these people offer, what they do, how you can do it all your self (people fall for this because they say that they can't spend 25k themselves, so just explain that they do RT and this is something that everyone can do but with consequences) write up experiences several DDF members had and that should give them a good kick back.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on November 25, 2014, 12:17:13 PM
Forgot about that post. Still, I think much more people will read the post with a better leading headline. Like "Why Not To Make $5,000 In One Month" Explain what these people offer, what they do, how you can do it all your self (people fall for this because they say that they can't spend 25k themselves, so just explain that they do RT and this is something that everyone can do but with consequences) write up experiences several DDF members had and that should give them a good kick back.
+1
If there will be another thread/post about it, I'll share my bad experience.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
I'd post firsthand experiences if someone can compile/link to a few and verify them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 25, 2014, 12:22:46 PM
if you want money for it I think we can arrange it!
Then why not just do a "paid advertisement" on DDMS ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 12:28:36 PM
No need for money, just need a few verified stories about this and/or sungames and I'll update that post.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 25, 2014, 12:30:40 PM
There's ilherman's post that started the thread (full story in the wiki) and VacationLover said he'll give his. were there more?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 25, 2014, 12:32:04 PM
Emaky and Yehuda25?

I have 1 more story as well. Will verify the details and post it soon.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 25, 2014, 12:33:33 PM
There's ilherman's post that started the thread (full story in the wiki) and VacationLover said he'll give his. were there more?
my aunt and uncle, what do you mean by verification, should I get a copy of a collections letter?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 12:50:46 PM
There's ilherman's post that started the thread (full story in the wiki) and VacationLover said he'll give his. were there more?
They've all been told in bits and pieces with lots of incomplete info.
A simple timeline with just the facts would be useful.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Redbull3 on November 25, 2014, 12:53:25 PM
Maybe these guys should be giving the seminar.
 ;D ;D

Or maybe you should go to one #12bm
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 25, 2014, 01:01:52 PM
the fact that they don't have an office where i could walk in,
and they don't have any references that i can ask that knows any person responsible for this business is enough to say its a scam
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 25, 2014, 01:10:04 PM
the fact that they don't have an office where i could walk in,
and they don't have any references that i can ask that knows any person responsible for this business is enough to say its a scam
You mean MR. L & Mrs. Z & sheikh M aren't real references ?  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: D93 on November 25, 2014, 01:14:47 PM
You mean MR. L & Mrs. Z & sheikh M aren't real references ?  :)
You forgot about Yaakov G. and Mrs. R. Miller!  :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: SOS on November 25, 2014, 01:17:49 PM
And don't forget mr moskowitz
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Redbull3 on November 25, 2014, 01:22:30 PM
I don't get it.. these are all fake testimonials they're pushing?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 25, 2014, 01:22:46 PM
And don't forget mr moskowitz
That's Mr. C. Moskowitz for you :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 25, 2014, 01:23:00 PM
I don't get it.. these are all fake testimonials they're pushing?
Fake advertising.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on November 25, 2014, 02:39:04 PM
No need for money, just need a few verified stories about this and/or sungames and I'll update that post.
Im in, what do you mean by verified?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on November 25, 2014, 03:10:58 PM
Think its time someone takes "in Lakewood" out the the topic.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 25, 2014, 03:38:01 PM
Think its time someone takes "in Lakewood" out the the topic.
unfortunately these krooks are located in lakewood.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 25, 2014, 03:38:55 PM
Not very hard to do. Especially if they're gonna be accused of identity theft.


Doesn't take that much sophistication and I doubt they are THAT dumb not to record...
so they get charged with fraud instead of identity theft. The recordings won't help much and may hurt them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 25, 2014, 03:40:53 PM
unfortunately these krooks are located in lakewood.
True, but it is irrelevant to the topic and can make people think that the ads with phone numbers from other locations may be different.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 25, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
so they get charged with fraud instead of identity theft. The recordings won't help much and may hurt them.
The discussion was if she could just claim identity theft to get out of disputes on the cards.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: elikay on November 25, 2014, 03:55:50 PM
unfortunately these krooks are located in lakewood.
Absolutely untrue they are all over! I know for a fact a group in NY who does the same thing.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 25, 2014, 04:52:18 PM
Only a matter of time before there is a huge FBI investigation and these idiots get locked up.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Chapshnell on November 25, 2014, 05:08:24 PM
Only a matter of time before there is a huge FBI investigation and these idiots get locked up.

and ruin it for everyone!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Ergel on November 25, 2014, 05:17:41 PM
Only a matter of time before there is a huge FBI investigation and these idiots get locked up.
For what?

What these idiots are doing is reprehensible, but what about it is illegal? There is no identity theft going on here, so to keep telling people to claim identity theft is ridiculous. It is probably illegal and fraud to say to AMEX that your identity was stolen when it actually wasn't. And I think that it was established earlier that what most people are upset about is
and ruin it for everyone!!!!!!!!!!
which does not make something illegal. I don't like what these people are doing as much as the next guy, but lets keep some facts in perspective
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on November 25, 2014, 05:42:25 PM
For what?

I would be shocked if it weren't some sort of fraud. 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 25, 2014, 06:11:29 PM
Intentionally doing refundable tickets over and over again will be considered fraud.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Ergel on November 25, 2014, 06:18:50 PM
Intentionally doing refundable tickets over and over again will be considered fraud.
Fraud against whom? And why is it any different than doing it a few times?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on November 25, 2014, 06:25:06 PM
A write up should be exactly what they do and the consequences and people reporting not getting paid.  And let the people decide.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 25, 2014, 06:27:07 PM
A write up should be exactly what they do and the consequences and people reporting not getting paid.  And let the people decide.
+1. I think just a few testimonials would be enough...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 25, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
Fraud against whom? And why is it any different than doing it a few times?
against Amex. Doing it once intentionally may also be fraud but doing it repeatedly is more likely to be prosecuted. This has been discussed over and over again upthread.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on November 25, 2014, 06:38:00 PM
No need for money, just need a few verified stories about this and/or sungames and I'll update that post.
Dan what exactly do you want for it to be considered verified?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 06:43:29 PM
Not heard from your bubbys friend on whatsapp.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on November 25, 2014, 06:53:53 PM
Not heard from your bubbys friend on whatsapp.
If that's the case I have a first hand story how should write it?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on November 25, 2014, 07:39:57 PM
Not heard from your bubbys friend on whatsapp.
Dan, I emailed you my story. Didn't hear from you... is that good enough, or should i rewrite it?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
Maybe post it here and some kind soul can edit a few stories worth publishing?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 25, 2014, 08:14:52 PM
Intentionally doing refundable tickets over and over again will be considered fraud.
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Chapshnell on November 25, 2014, 11:24:40 PM
@ergel Im not getting into the legal or illegal aspect of this. When I said they will ruin it for everyone I meant that when you abuse the system this bad for so long the people who abide by most ( :) ) of the rules get hurt most when they have to pull good things due to abuse
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 27, 2014, 05:12:00 PM
On the topic, I was in a store in lakewood today. they said someone gave them 225 cards to swipe on motzai shabbos! Now that is a business!!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cubicles on November 27, 2014, 05:13:45 PM

why is it related to this thread ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 27, 2014, 06:05:42 PM
why is it related to this thread ?
Even with AUs 225 is a bit much. Wonder if it is these guys doing "some spending".
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Super Speed on November 27, 2014, 06:16:42 PM
Even with AUs 225 is a bit much. Wonder if it is these guys doing "some spending".
Huh?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 27, 2014, 06:53:05 PM
Huh?
fine, maybe I'm behind.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: voldemort on November 27, 2014, 07:02:27 PM

Even with AUs 225 is a bit much. Wonder if it is these guys doing "some spending".
you mean they brought in all the current amex cc's they have in other people's names for sbs?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on November 27, 2014, 07:23:01 PM
you mean they brought in all the current amex cc's they have in other people's names for sbs?
exactly
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 27, 2014, 07:47:17 PM
They told my friend that part of the deal is that they get all the benefits of the card, $200 airline credit, SBS etc.... and he will get $5,000. And read upthread how mmuch he really got. Idiots.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Super Speed on November 27, 2014, 08:05:46 PM
fine, maybe I'm behind.
Just a bit, check the poll people have plenty of cards. I'm not saying it wasn't them but I highly doubt it was they probably have another way to swipe so many cards and it'll be a lot more than 225.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 27, 2014, 08:26:26 PM
Just a bit, check the poll people have plenty of cards. I'm not saying it wasn't them but I highly doubt it was they probably have another way to swipe so many cards and it'll be a lot more than 225.
You seem to know these guys... Am I totally off?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on November 27, 2014, 08:28:53 PM
you mean they brought in all the current amex cc's they have in other people's names for sbs?
of course, and they are getting cash back for a percentage
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 28, 2014, 09:55:55 AM
They never mention that in the ads.  :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on November 28, 2014, 10:00:23 AM
They never mention that in the ads.  :)
oh so i guess they don't do that ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Super Speed on November 28, 2014, 12:34:43 PM

oh so i guess they don't do that ;)
They don't either mention that they'll screw up your credit and a lot of other stuff that they do wrong.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on November 28, 2014, 12:36:07 PM
They don't either mention that they'll screw up your credit and a lot of other stuff that they do wrong.
but those only happen by mistake
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on November 28, 2014, 01:05:55 PM
but those only happen by mistake
:)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on November 28, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
As long as they don't swipe $100 per card.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: koshergourmetmart on December 03, 2014, 06:49:31 PM
someone just posted on dans deal facebook page a photo of a brochure made by one of these companies. These companies are saying that shuls can make alot of money as well
"Has anyone ever done this ? Is it legit? A scam? Need answers ASAP bc husband is about to sign up for it."
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on December 03, 2014, 06:56:28 PM
someone just posted on dans deal facebook page a photo of a brochure made by one of these companies. These companies are saying that shuls can make alot of money as well
"Has anyone ever done this ? Is it legit? A scam? Need answers ASAP bc husband is about to sign up for it."
you can get messed over badly it's not worth
read the rest of the thread with stories of people who got FR'd
read the ddms post http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584 (http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/46584)
read the WIKI
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on December 03, 2014, 07:00:15 PM
someone just posted on dans deal facebook page a photo of a brochure made by one of these companies. These companies are saying that shuls can make alot of money as well
"Has anyone ever done this ? Is it legit? A scam? Need answers ASAP bc husband is about to sign up for it."
Never give someone who you dont know a social or DOB!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on December 03, 2014, 07:08:11 PM
someone just posted on dans deal facebook page a photo of a brochure made by one of these companies. These companies are saying that shuls can make alot of money as well
"Has anyone ever done this ? Is it legit? A scam? Need answers ASAP bc husband is about to sign up for it."
Obviously everyone told her not to do it, including dan.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on December 12, 2014, 12:35:23 PM
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/12/12/2b12045fcfe0659ac87943538ae54cf4.jpg) going strong in the Country Yossi!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 12, 2014, 12:36:51 PM
All these adds say "we pay double what the competition pays". I never saw any competing ad ???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on December 12, 2014, 12:38:44 PM
did anyone every try to call these people and just harass them?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avremie on December 12, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
All these adds say "we pay double what the competition pays". I never saw any competing ad ???
The competition pays $2500 per person we pay $5000 per couple.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: iamyashar on December 15, 2014, 09:31:36 AM
Just found out my friends parents that just made a chasunah signed up for this and got 5k check. father sees they opened 5 cards per account - 1 platinum and 4 gold per account. then he sees he's under FR. he only has the amex/costco card so he doesn't really mind. what can i say to a) be worried about being under FR and b) to stop telling others to do it?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on December 15, 2014, 09:34:03 AM
Just found out my friends parents that just made a chasunah signed up for this and got 5k check. father sees they opened 5 cards per account - 1 platinum and 4 gold per account. then he sees he's under FR. he only has the amex/costco card so he doesn't really mind. what can i say to a) be worried about being under FR and b) to stop telling others to do it?
If he doesn't mindbeing blacklisted for life then he doesn't mind.
א קאפ קאן מען נישט ארויפשטעלן...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on December 15, 2014, 09:42:07 AM
If he doesn't mindbeing blacklisted for life then he doesn't mind.
א קאפ קאן מען נישט ארויפשטעלן...
They say about brains - "you can't buy 'em"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on December 15, 2014, 09:43:57 AM
Just found out my friends parents that just made a chasunah signed up for this and got 5k check. father sees they opened 5 cards per account - 1 platinum and 4 gold per account. then he sees he's under FR. he only has the amex/costco card so he doesn't really mind. what can i say to a) be worried about being under FR and b) to stop telling others to do it?
Is he that desperate for the referral ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: zh cohen on December 15, 2014, 10:36:08 PM
Just found out my friends parents that just made a chasunah signed up for this and got 5k check. father sees they opened 5 cards per account - 1 platinum and 4 gold per account. then he sees he's under FR. he only has the amex/costco card so he doesn't really mind. what can i say to a) be worried about being under FR and b) to stop telling others to do it?

How does he plan on shopping at Costco once they shut down his card?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 12HRS on December 15, 2014, 10:56:30 PM
How does he plan on shopping at Costco once they shut down his card?

Cash? Far as I know Obama hasn't made an executive action making pesos the new currency
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: udip3146 on February 04, 2015, 11:31:33 PM
To add drama to this story, how do you think these guys transfer the points out?
If is fact, they commit serious identity fraud.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on February 04, 2015, 11:46:18 PM
To add drama to this story, how do you think these guys transfer the points out?
If is fact, they commit serious identity fraud.
please elaborate
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 05, 2015, 09:19:57 AM
Opening a card in someone will else's name is fraud, these people obviously don't care. The question is when will law enforcement start to get involved.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 09:24:07 AM
Opening a card in someone will else's name is fraud, these people obviously don't care. The question is when will law enforcement start to get involved.
If a person gives them permission to, isn't it the same like someone opening cards in his wife's name ? I'm asking regarding fraud
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 09:25:10 AM
Opening a card in someone will else's name is fraud, these people obviously don't care. The question is when will law enforcement start to get involved.
Why do you insist on leaving out the consent part?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on February 05, 2015, 09:27:04 AM


To add drama to this story, how do you think these guys transfer the points out?
the same way any broker would transfer out the points.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 05, 2015, 09:29:22 AM
Why do you insist on leaving out the consent part?
Ive asked multiple lawyers, they have all stated that consent doesn't change anything.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 09:31:27 AM
Ive asked multiple lawyers, they have all stated that consent doesn't change anything.
They are wrong or you are lying
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 09:37:01 AM
Ive asked multiple lawyers, they have all stated that consent doesn't change anything.
What do they think about opening for a spouse or family member ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 09:42:17 AM
+1-1
-1s or statements from traffic lawyers or other non factor  individuals in this matter don't mean diddly squat
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 05, 2015, 10:17:51 AM
They are wrong or you are lying
beside for lawyers that I know, I also asked online.

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/a-family-member-asked-me-to-get-her-a-credit-card--2042518.html
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 10:23:54 AM
beside for lawyers that I know, I also asked online.

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/a-family-member-asked-me-to-get-her-a-credit-card--2042518.html
Webmd says I'm a unicorn
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 05, 2015, 11:24:20 AM
Webmd says I'm a unicorn
So you think its completely legal?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 11:28:28 AM
So you think its completely legal?
No
Ive asked multiple lawyers, they have all stated that consent doesn't change anything.
But this is false
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Tuna Baygel on February 05, 2015, 11:30:17 AM
Webmd says I'm a unicorn
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 05, 2015, 11:30:46 AM
NoBut this is false
I happen to be inclined to think more like you, though whoever I asked thought otherwise. So what do you think about this whole business that is the most gray area, the spending?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 11:34:13 AM
I happen to be inclined to think more like you, though whoever I asked thought otherwise. So what do you think about this whole business that is the most gray area, the spending?
I think they are entitled to do whatever they want and anyone who wants can sign up with them for quick money.  I just think they are responsible to outline the risks and explain what they doing prior.  And for that reason alone I would like to see them get mutilated in court
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 05, 2015, 11:38:03 AM
I think they are entitled to do whatever they want and anyone who wants can sign up with them for quick money.  I just think they are responsible to outline the risks and explain what they doing prior.  And for that reason alone I would like to see them get mutilated in court
So according to you the main thing that they are doing wrong is not explaining to the clients the process?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 11:41:02 AM
So according to you the main thing that they are doing wrong is not explaining to the clients the process?
Main thing they are doing wrong that you wouldn't do on your own
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ad120 on February 05, 2015, 10:57:05 PM
Webmd says I'm a unicorn
Now the pieces are starting to fall into place...  ;D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: udip3146 on February 06, 2015, 01:53:19 AM
the same way any broker would transfer out the points.
Not exactly. I personally know from an insider how they transfer it. No broker would do it that way.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 08, 2015, 04:26:44 AM
Not exactly. I personally know from an insider how they transfer it. No broker would do it that way.
Inspire us
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on February 08, 2015, 09:10:16 AM
Not exactly. I personally know from an insider how they transfer it. No broker would do it that way.
They add a green card to the person they want to send the points and then transfer. Most agents also do it like this.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Centro on February 08, 2015, 09:21:00 AM
They add a green card to the person they want to send the points and then transfer. Most agents also do it like this.
What does that help?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on February 08, 2015, 09:23:47 AM
What does that help?
1) I'm not sure but i think if the recipient is also an authorized user then you can transfer the points to him
2) i know for a fact that they (and most agents) add green cards before transferring
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: udip3146 on February 08, 2015, 05:03:57 PM
They add a green card to the person they want to send the points and then transfer. Most agents also do it like this.
They add a green card. The question is how they add it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: VacationLover on February 08, 2015, 05:12:43 PM
They add a green card. The question is how they add it.
  what do you mean?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: udip3146 on February 08, 2015, 08:34:32 PM
Additionals can be added on the phone or online. Adding it online is dangerous as you need to put in a social. Account holders may not know as they cancel it withing a few hours...but it is absolute identity theft.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on February 08, 2015, 09:15:31 PM
beside for lawyers that I know, I also asked online.

http://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/a-family-member-asked-me-to-get-her-a-credit-card--2042518.html
The answers online all were about signatures. You don't sign an online app.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: udip3146 on February 08, 2015, 11:25:11 PM
The answers online all were about signatures. You don't sign an online app.
I would never want a mismatched social security number with another name on my account...with a signature or without.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on February 08, 2015, 11:38:25 PM
I would never want a mismatched social security number with another name on my account...with a signature or without.
I don't think youre following the conversation
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on February 18, 2015, 11:00:37 AM
Still amazes me how they pull this off! What do they that we/I don't know?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on February 18, 2015, 11:03:20 AM
To many people are asking about this if they should do it, I just send them this link and they dont ask any more questions, but how many people out there see the advertisement to make 10K and dont think twice and give over all the info!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: casualchurner on February 18, 2015, 11:10:36 AM
To many people are asking about this if they should do it, I just send them this link and they dont ask any more questions, but how many people out there see the advertisement to make 10K and dont think twice and give over all the info!
Way too many! Anyone who is in on cc/miles/points knows that you don't let others run amok with your SSN. Your  credit can get  killed, accounts thrown into F/R / A/A. Stay Away!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 18, 2015, 05:16:30 PM
Still amazes me how they pull this off! What do they that we/I don't know?
fraud
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on February 18, 2015, 05:53:15 PM
fraud
Fraud I know. But by making up new EIN numbers for each card?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 18, 2015, 06:17:30 PM
Still amazes me how they pull this off! What do they that we/I don't know?

Maybe it's not what you know but who you know. Doesn't seem to help with the FRs but they sure have some "magic" going on with the approvals.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on February 18, 2015, 06:21:59 PM
Maybe it's not what you know but who you know. Doesn't seem to help with the FRs but they sure have some "magic" going on with the approvals.
Hey maybe someone in Amex is on there payroll
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 18, 2015, 06:42:35 PM
Than again, maybe if you totally didn't give a rip about FR, you could push through approvals like that too.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on February 18, 2015, 07:30:10 PM
Still amazes me how they pull this off! What do they that we/I don't know?
On DDMS Dan calls them trained professionals ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 18, 2015, 08:00:00 PM
Than again, maybe if you totally didn't give a rip about FR, you could push through approvals like that too.
exactly
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 18, 2015, 08:05:15 PM
exactly

Like, if I didn't care about tickets or about my safety or anybody else's, I could probably drive from PIT to NYC in three hours.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ad120 on February 21, 2015, 10:40:05 PM
Like, if I didn't care about tickets or about my safety or anybody else's, I could probably drive from PIT to NYC in three hours.
PM when you do. It'll probably be a lot of fun. Lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 21, 2015, 10:43:37 PM
PM when you do. It'll probably be a lot of fun. Lol

Rent me a Tesla, maybe.  ;D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Chapshnell on February 22, 2015, 12:14:34 AM
You only know about the approval success stories, believe you me there are some horrific stories out there & people are ashamed to even admit they were scammed, screwed.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 22, 2015, 08:15:16 AM
You only know about the approval success stories, believe you me there are some horrific stories out there & people are ashamed to even admit they were scammed, screwed.
im sure many do walk out with the money they were promised, these guys do have a lot of experience.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on February 22, 2015, 09:14:11 AM
You only know about the approval success stories, believe you me there are some horrific stories out there & people are ashamed to even admit they were scammed, screwed.
A friend of mine just told me on that he has a Friend who got screwed over because of it he said now he can't even get a credit card, I guess his credit must be shot or it's just amex that he can't get
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on February 22, 2015, 09:19:41 AM
A friend of mine just told me on that he has a Friend who got screwed over because of it he said now he can't even get a credit card, I guess his credit must be shot or it's just amex that he can't get
and a friend's friend's brother told me the same, i wonder if it's the same person.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on February 22, 2015, 09:20:45 AM
and a friend's friend's brother told me the same, i wonder if it's the same person.
If you want I can tell you who told me, you should know him
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AnonymousUser on February 22, 2015, 09:38:12 AM
If you want I can tell you who told me, you should know him
Do you think there's only one person that got their credit ruined or blacklisted from this?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: avromie7 on February 22, 2015, 09:38:53 AM
Do you think there's only one person that got their credit ruined or blacklisted from this?
No way
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: beeweegee on February 22, 2015, 10:09:27 AM
fraud
From what I've heard about how they do it, I wouldn't call it fraud per se, but it is definitively messing with the system.   :-X
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 22, 2015, 10:13:13 AM
From what I've heard about how they do it, I wouldn't call it fraud per se, but it is definitively messing with the system.   :-X
Are we gonna go through this discussion every few months?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on February 22, 2015, 10:19:37 AM
From what I've heard about how they do it, I wouldn't call it fraud per se, but it is definitively messing with the system.   :-X
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: beeweegee on February 22, 2015, 10:22:09 AM
Are we gonna go through this discussion every few months?
Haven't read the whole thread, was just responding to the claim that there was some kind of "magic"...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: beeweegee on February 22, 2015, 10:24:47 AM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraud
Point taken. It definitely fits the definition of fraud. Truth is though, on a (much) smaller level, so does a decent amount of activity in the miles earning game.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on February 22, 2015, 10:40:30 AM
Are we gonna go through this discussion every few months?
I think we should it should be on top, so people that don't know about it can read it up here.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 22, 2015, 11:24:46 AM


Truth is though, on a (much) smaller level, so does a decent amount of activity in the miles earning game.

For example?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on February 22, 2015, 11:33:31 AM

For example?
Who you kidding?
It's the same different
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 22, 2015, 11:33:49 AM
Who you kidding?
It's the same different
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 22, 2015, 11:36:23 AM
Who you kidding?
It's the same different

Why is that chocolate parfait smiling?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 22, 2015, 11:39:07 AM
Why is that chocolate parfait smiling?
He is going home?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 22, 2015, 11:41:34 AM
He is going home?

I'd love to see the full comic strip about him.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: beeweegee on February 22, 2015, 11:42:42 AM
Why is that chocolate parfait smiling?
alol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on February 22, 2015, 11:43:05 AM
The End
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: beeweegee on February 22, 2015, 11:49:38 AM
Who you kidding?
It's the same different
+1
 An example? Changing DOB or FF# or other information on an app to get the bonus on a product you've already had.

"fraud: deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain."

I'm no lawyer,  so CMIIW, but it certainly sounds like fraud.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 22, 2015, 11:52:37 AM
+1
 An example? Changing DOB or FF# or other information on an app to get the bonus on a product you've already had.

"fraud: deliberate deception to secure unfair or unlawful gain."

I'm no lawyer,  so CMIIW, but it certainly sounds like fraud.
The points game can be done with or without fraud just like any other business or game.
Nothing exclusive with the points game
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: beeweegee on February 22, 2015, 11:54:42 AM
The points game can be done with or without fraud just like any other business or game.
Nothing exclusive with the points game
Absolutely.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Freddie on February 22, 2015, 03:56:26 PM
The points game can be done with or without fraud just like any other business or game.
Nothing exclusive with the points game
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: leeboy on March 09, 2015, 03:21:04 PM
Still amazes me how they pull this off! What do they that we/I don't know?

How is it possible for them to get so many bonuses? I thought you can only get one biz offer per 12 months.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on March 09, 2015, 03:22:21 PM
How is it possible for them to get so many bonuses? I thought you can only get one biz offer per 12 months.
Common misconception
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: leeboy on March 09, 2015, 03:24:57 PM
Common misconception
That you can get more than once in 12?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: WAM on March 13, 2015, 09:05:54 AM


How is it possible for them to get so many bonuses? I thought you can only get one consumer offer per 12 months.

Ftfy
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Saver2000 on March 13, 2015, 09:23:57 AM

Ftfy
-1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on March 13, 2015, 10:20:06 AM

Ftfy
Consumer is once in a lifetime.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: bsimchatomid on May 13, 2015, 11:58:11 AM
bubble?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on May 13, 2015, 12:13:48 PM
bubble?
torpedo?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on May 13, 2015, 12:14:20 PM
torpedo?
stern
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: bsimchatomid on May 13, 2015, 12:27:46 PM
Sorry, i'm going crazy from my friends who keep on asking me about these people. I had the page open but I meant to post in another thread. But talking about bubble when is this going to pop?? A month ago someone told me they're offering $7.5K per person, now they're offering $10k per person.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on May 13, 2015, 12:30:12 PM
Sorry, i'm going crazy from my friends who keep on asking me about these people. I had the page open but I meant to post in another thread. But talking about bubble when is this going to pop?? A month ago someone told me they're offering $7.5K per person, now they're offering $10k per person.
Its not per person. Probably per couple or per family.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: bsimchatomid on May 13, 2015, 12:38:32 PM
This is what I was told by someone who fell in... just one SSN. He didn't get the check yet though. ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on May 13, 2015, 12:52:41 PM
This is what I was told by someone who fell in... just one SSN. He didn't get the check yet though. ;)
Exactly. If & when he does get the check I doubt it'll be $10k. Too many stories of people not getting what they were promised.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on May 13, 2015, 01:35:20 PM
AFAIK there's only one "company" that'll give $10k, and it's for 2 SSNs
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood
Post by: yesitsme on May 13, 2015, 01:56:44 PM
.
Title: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple.htm
Post by: keemster26 on June 14, 2016, 01:40:22 PM
I don't know where to post this, but why is yeshiva world putting this up?
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: David Smith on June 14, 2016, 01:43:29 PM
It's an ad. Nothing new. A bunch of threads about this. People making lots of money from this game, which seems to upset people here.
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: coralsnake on June 14, 2016, 01:54:13 PM
It's an ad. Nothing new. A bunch of threads about this. People making lots of money from this game, which seems to upset people here.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45061.0
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on June 14, 2016, 02:18:46 PM
It has been removed
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: coralsnake on June 14, 2016, 02:24:08 PM
It has been removed
-1

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple.html
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on June 14, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
-1

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple.html
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: yuneeq on June 14, 2016, 02:32:23 PM
It has been removed

The claim has been changed along with the title.
Now it's $4,200.
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: coralsnake on June 14, 2016, 02:36:07 PM

Youre missing the "L" at the end.
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on June 14, 2016, 02:39:10 PM
Youre missing the "L" at the end.
Ah. That explains it.  Anyways, are we gonna flood that article with comments?
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: emjee on June 14, 2016, 03:07:49 PM
Ah. That explains it.  Anyways, are we gonna flood that article with comments?
We should !
Title: Re: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple
Post by: keemster26 on June 14, 2016, 03:21:03 PM
Ah. That explains it.  Anyways, are we gonna flood that article with comments?
Please do! That's why I posted it here!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chaimmayer on July 03, 2016, 06:40:53 PM
It's back again

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Card-Offer-1-page-001-1.jpg?utm_source=theyeshivaworld&utm_medium=banner
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 03, 2016, 06:49:23 PM
It's back again

http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Card-Offer-1-page-001-1.jpg?utm_source=theyeshivaworld&utm_medium=banner
I don't think it ever went away
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: afro on July 05, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
i think this is new company that popped up
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 3yummyboys on July 05, 2016, 01:42:53 PM
I didn't feel that the DDMS post on this was strong enough, people continue to fall into the trap and think I'm being overly cautious when I warn them about it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 05, 2016, 01:46:27 PM
I didn't feel that the DDMS post on this was strong enough, people continue to fall into the trap and think I'm being overly cautious when I warn them about it.
The only thing strong enough will be personal experience. (Or a baby's face with tears rolling down).
It's hard to counter "YOU COULD MAKE $XXXX FOR FREE"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on July 05, 2016, 01:53:24 PM
The only thing strong enough will be personal experience. (Or a baby's face with tears rolling down).
It's hard to counter "YOU COULD MAKE $XXXX FOR FREE"

With no identity theft being reported so far, all these people are doing is making a buck. Did bank policies change? Yes. It was happening before as well. You have an issue with lying about income or refundable tickets? few of you haven't done that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: A3 on July 05, 2016, 02:03:20 PM
With no identity theft being reported so far, all these people are doing is making a buck. Did bank policies change? Yes. It was happening before as well. You have an issue with lying about income or refundable tickets? few of you haven't done that.
So you are the spokesman for DDF? You know what we have and what we haven't done.
Nice.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on July 05, 2016, 02:29:44 PM
I didn't feel that the DDMS post on this was strong enough, people continue to fall into the trap and think I'm being overly cautious when I warn them about it.
Whats the trap?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 05, 2016, 02:31:05 PM
The only thing strong enough will be personal experience. (Or a baby's face with tears rolling down).
It's hard to counter "YOU COULD MAKE $XXXX FOR FREE"

The hardest part to counter is that many of the people do make free money that they wouldn't otherwise. The only loser is the bank.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on July 05, 2016, 02:41:17 PM
The hardest part to counter is that many of the people do make free money that they wouldn't otherwise. The only loser is the bank.

This.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on July 05, 2016, 02:41:50 PM
So you are the spokesman for DDF? You know what we have and what we haven't done.
Nice.

I know many people on DDF and I know what many people do. Come on.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 05, 2016, 03:47:10 PM
You guys know of anybody being left with a balance on their cards?
The only thing is that you don't get the full amount they promised but still rake in some cash headache free!!
Any how most those ppl that get "trapped" wouldn't have made a cent from CC anyways,  so "Hakol Reivach"!!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 05, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
You guys know of anybody being left with a balance on their cards?

There were even reports on DDF about this. If something goes wrong, they don't always pay out of pocket and write off the loss.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 05, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
never heard of this.
still looking for somebody that incurred a loss, you can always dispute charges....
isn't it worth that thousands of ppl raked in some cash for doing nothing??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 05, 2016, 04:29:05 PM
The only thing is that you don't get the full amount they promised
How is that okay ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on July 05, 2016, 04:40:14 PM
How is that okay ?

It's okay if you're a new poster who comes out of nowhere to defend shady businesses.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 05:01:14 PM
You guys know of anybody being left with a balance on their cards?
The only thing is that you don't get the full amount they promised but still rake in some cash headache free!!
Any how most those ppl that get "trapped" wouldn't have made a cent from CC anyways,  so "Hakol Reivach"!!!
I know people who where left with huge headaches. Such as the person booked a refundable ticket, took out the points, and then canceled the flight.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 3yummyboys on July 05, 2016, 05:10:17 PM
I know people who where left with huge headaches. Such as the person booked a refundable ticket, took out the points, and then canceled the flight.

+1
Or the person that got messed over bc the company forgot to cancel the refundable ticket

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MosheD on July 05, 2016, 05:17:15 PM
To those saying nothing ever went wrong, please read through this thread. I believe that is what it's dedicated to
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 05, 2016, 05:17:31 PM
I know people who where left with huge headaches. Such as the person booked a refundable ticket, took out the points, and then canceled the flight.
What was the headache this person had over that?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 05:20:25 PM
What was the headache this person had over that?
The CC company charged him for the miles when it was back in his hands.
I think he was hit with $6k in charges
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 05, 2016, 05:22:07 PM
The CC company charged him for the miles when it was back in his hands.
I think he was hit with $6k in charges
When did this happen? How much was he charged per mile?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 06:36:31 PM
never heard of this.
still looking for somebody that incurred a loss, you can always dispute charges....
isn't it worth that thousands of ppl raked in some cash for doing nothing??
A relative of mine got stuck with a big amount of charges...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 06:38:00 PM
You guys know of anybody being left with a balance on their cards?
The only thing is that you don't get the full amount they promised but still rake in some cash headache free!!
Any how most those ppl that get "trapped" wouldn't have made a cent from CC anyways,  so "Hakol Reivach"!!!
Wrong.

Most of the people that are signing up are naive and don't know the grey/black area shtick that these guys are doing. It's one thing to do it for yourself, much worse to lead someone else into it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 05, 2016, 07:02:07 PM
How is that okay ?
so its not ok, but they still get some cash that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 05, 2016, 07:02:42 PM
I know people who where left with huge headaches. Such as the person booked a refundable ticket, took out the points, and then canceled the flight.
And?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 05, 2016, 07:04:49 PM
Wrong.

Most of the people that are signing up are naive and don't know the grey/black area shtick that these guys are doing. It's one thing to do it for yourself, much worse to lead someone else into it.

you didnt hit on target.
that's exactly what i am saying, those ppl are naive, and wouldn't have made a cent if not for "falling into those traps" as you call it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: coralsnake on July 05, 2016, 07:07:36 PM
And?
The CC company charged him for the miles when it was back in his hands.
I think he was hit with $6k in charges
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 05, 2016, 07:19:06 PM
so its not ok, but they still get some cash that they wouldn't have gotten otherwise
Cut the cr*p
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on July 05, 2016, 07:27:11 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=63868.0
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 05, 2016, 07:28:25 PM
Cut the cr*p
pls explain ppl get $$$ for doing nothing not even reading DDF isn't a good deal?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 05, 2016, 07:29:55 PM
pls explain ppl get $$$ for doing nothing not even reading DDF isn't a good deal?
What part of giving people what you promised them do you not understand ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on July 05, 2016, 07:34:51 PM
pls explain ppl get $$$ for doing nothing not even reading DDF isn't a good deal?

Risk vs reward.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on July 05, 2016, 08:39:08 PM
pls explain ppl get $$$ for doing nothing not even reading DDF isn't a good deal?
So your ok if Mr. A gets something for free ( FE after rebate ) sells it to Mr. B. And Mr. B only pays him 50% of what they agreed on? After all he made money...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on July 05, 2016, 08:44:41 PM
pls explain ppl get $$$ for doing nothing not even reading DDF isn't a good deal?

If it's really money for nothing then you wouldn't be hiding the risks from your victims.
What do you have to hide?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on July 05, 2016, 08:44:45 PM
So your ok if Mr. A gets something for free ( FE after rebate ) sells it to Mr. B. And Mr. B only pays him 50%? After all he made money ?
Do you have a problem with someone buying an item FAR and then seeking it on eBay at half off the regular price?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on July 05, 2016, 08:46:05 PM
Do you have a problem with someone buying an item FAR and then seeking it on eBay at half off the regular price?
I meant 50% of what he was asking....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: LoLo on July 05, 2016, 08:49:04 PM
Do you have a problem with someone buying an item FAR and then seeking it on eBay at half off the regular price?
He was referring to when the buyer only pays 50% of the price the seller asked for, because after all, the seller got it for free..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on July 05, 2016, 08:54:46 PM
pls explain ppl get $$$ for doing nothing not even reading DDF isn't a good deal?
What exactly needs to be explained?  Like 3 people reported being left over with balances. You missed that part?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 09:29:47 PM
you didnt hit on target.
that's exactly what i am saying, those ppl are naive, and wouldn't have made a cent if not for "falling into those traps" as you call it
Huh?


Im not talking about money, i'm talking about these people doing shady stuff that the people that they are doing it in their name would never have done nor signed up for if they had been fully made aware of what these people are actually doing with their info.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 09:33:22 PM
So I guess we all know that @MasterAmex runs one of these "scams"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on July 05, 2016, 09:34:13 PM
If you know someone who personally got messed over have them email me.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 05, 2016, 09:35:56 PM
If you know someone who personally got messed over have them email me.

You seem to have an agenda.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 09:36:11 PM
If you know someone who personally got messed over have them email me.
I can send to you, it's a relative of mine, he did get messed over, but eventually wiggle his way out of it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on July 05, 2016, 09:38:55 PM
If you know someone who personally got messed over have them email me.
It happened two years ago, and the person who got messed over managed to get out of the mess. I think he brought this before his ruv, and I'm pretty sure the guy who did it to him stopped, but new people keep on doing it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on July 05, 2016, 09:41:18 PM
You seem to have an agenda.
People asked to make a post
I didn't feel that the DDMS post on this was strong enough, people continue to fall into the trap and think I'm being overly cautious when I warn them about it.
If they want a post then talk to me via email with facts.
What was my agenda with SunGames?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on July 05, 2016, 09:43:55 PM
You seem to have an agenda.

Protecting people from exploitation sounds like a legitimate agenda to me.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 05, 2016, 09:56:04 PM
Protecting people from exploitation sounds like a legitimate agenda to me.
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yelped on July 05, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
Protecting people from exploitation sounds like a legitimate agenda to me.
+10,000 etc.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on July 05, 2016, 10:57:09 PM
You seem to have an agenda.
What's the problem if your taking down scammers" with an agenda"?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on July 05, 2016, 11:23:10 PM
You seem to have an agenda.


Are you one of them?

You seem to be worried about Dans upcoming post.

It's a Mitzvah to enlighten people of the danger of giving out personal info to a stranger that will do multi levels of fraud on their name.

לא תעמוד על דם רעך
What's the problem if your taking down scammers" with an agenda"?
+100000
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 11:43:37 AM
What exactly needs to be explained?  Like 3 people reported being left over with balances. You missed that part?
no dint miss it
the few ppl that get messed up will seek advice and make noise that they got messed up.
so you got a total of 3 ppl that got messed up, AND they got out of it as you see in the posts, AND they probabley made some money as well.
What about  the thousands of ppl that made easy money for doing nothing, they don't make noise they don't spread the word...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 11:45:47 AM
no dint miss it
the few ppl that get messed up will seek advice and make noise that they got messed up.
so you got a total of 3 ppl that got messed up, AND they got out of it as you see in the posts, AND they probabley made some money as well.
What about  the thousands of ppl that made easy money for doing nothing, they don't make noise they don't spread the word...
You remind me of the post of the voicemail left for Dan once
I can't find it now..... just quit while you're only a drop behind
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 11:46:16 AM
What part of giving people what you promised them do you not understand ?
pls explain if somebody promised you 5k and only gave 4k will you reject it?
ths ppl inflate their ads like every other business
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yelped on July 06, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
no dint miss it
the few ppl that get messed up will seek advice and make noise that they got messed up.
so you got a total of 3 ppl that got messed up, AND they got out of it as you see in the posts, AND they probabley made some money as well.
What about  the thousands of ppl that made easy money for doing nothing, they don't make noise they don't spread the word...
Please stop posting. You are sounding stupider by the minute 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yelped on July 06, 2016, 11:47:01 AM
pls explain if somebody promised you 5k and only gave 4k will you reject it?
ths ppl inflate their ads like every other business
Are you serious?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
Risk vs reward.
3 ppl reported that they were messed up.
now, those ads are around for years, guess those ppl signed up thousands of ppl and only 3 out of thousands of ppl were messed up. do the math... you call it a risk??  (besides that everybody got out of his mess in the end)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 11:51:52 AM
3 ppl reported that they were messed up.
now, those ads are around for years, guess those ppl signed up thousands of ppl and only 3 out of thousands of ppl were messed up. do the math... you call it a risk??  (besides that everybody got out of his mess in the end)
What will it take to get you to shut up
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 11:52:21 AM
If it's really money for nothing then you wouldn't be hiding the risks from your victims.
What do you have to hide?
who is hiding what?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on July 06, 2016, 11:53:24 AM
who is hiding what?
@Dan, what's this guy's real username?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 06, 2016, 11:53:56 AM
pls explain if somebody promised you 5k and only gave 4k will you reject it?
ths ppl inflate their ads like every other business
No. I would take it and sue for the rest.
- I would publicize the dishonesty, threaten to report to American Express fraud Dept, the feds, his Rabbi, his Shver beis din, small claims court, Nj Dept of consumer affairs, etc etc , until I would be made whole.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 11:57:35 AM
So your ok if Mr. A gets something for free ( FE after rebate ) sells it to Mr. B. And Mr. B only pays him 50% of what they agreed on? After all he made money...
its not ok, I personally dont think its right to inflate ads. but for those ppl that sign up they wouldn't have made a cent from CC / points otherwise. they are better off that way!
Back to your story lets say you cant find anybody to buy your item. Only one person would buy will be somebody that will only pay half of the agreed price, wouldn't  you sell it to cash out whatever you could?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 11:59:15 AM
Huh?


Im not talking about money, i'm talking about these people doing shady stuff that the people that they are doing it in their name would never have done nor signed up for if they had been fully made aware of what these people are actually doing with their info.

All of us are doing those "shady stuff" as you call it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 12:01:15 PM
All of us are doing those "shady stuff" as you call it
Why do you think so
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on July 06, 2016, 12:02:10 PM
its not ok, I personally dont think its right to inflate ads. but for those ppl that sign up they wouldn't have made a cent from CC / points otherwise. they are better off that way!
Back to your story lets say you cant find anybody to buy your item. Only one person would buy will be somebody that will only pay half of the agreed price, wouldn't  you sell it to cash out whatever you could?
If that is what is agreed upon before the sale that is fine, but promising them a certain amount and then after already doing the shady stuff in their name coming up with excuses why you are giving them much less is not okay and is geneiva.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on July 06, 2016, 12:06:52 PM
The victims are not always aware that there will be Shady stuff/fraud done on their name.

In one situation, I told someone the past me advice if he should go along, I advised him not to and that they do all types shady stuff, including refundables and inflate income, the guy told me that the company assured him that they don't do those type of stuff and everything they do is legitimate.

Sometime later, I helped the guy log into the account and found refundables and inflated income as expected.

Another guy I know was a F/R'd and of course no one was willing to help him, they no longer knew him.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:07:21 PM
Please stop posting. You are sounding stupider by the minute
lets debate it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on July 06, 2016, 12:08:50 PM
pls explain if somebody promised you 5k and only gave 4k will you reject it?
ths ppl inflate their ads like every other business

Wow.  If you can justify this I don't even..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:09:14 PM
What will it take to get you to shut up
to answer me
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:10:22 PM
but for those ppl that sign up they wouldn't have made a cent from CC / points otherwise. they are better off that way!
Not true. At some point they would, as thousands & tens of thousands have in the last few years alone. And being that many cards are now one-time bonus the least you could do is give them the little that you promised.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:12:05 PM
If that is what is agreed upon before the sale that is fine, but promising them a certain amount and then after already doing the shady stuff in their name coming up with excuses why you are giving them much less is not okay and is geneiva.
I agree that its "genaivah" but its so bad that ppl make some money that they wouldn't have made otherwise
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 12:13:00 PM
to answer me
You've been answered 1000000+ times you just don't want to accept it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:13:49 PM
Wow.  If you can justify this I don't even..
I don't justify it just saying that those ppl wouldn't have made a cent otherwise so "Hakol Raivach"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:16:45 PM
You've been answered 1000000+ times you just don't want to accept it
Explain, ppl that would not make a buck from cc now get some cash. whats the problem? that they didnt receive the total that they were promised?
I don't justify giving less that was promised but is it so bad that they got 4k instead of 5k?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:17:00 PM
I agree that its "genaivah" but its so bad that ppl make some money that they wouldn't have made otherwise
Of course its so bad. If you felt the need to scream "5000" in order to get customers, you gotta give them that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 12:17:20 PM
Explain, ppl that would not make a buck from cc now get some cash. whats the problem? that they didnt receive the total that they were promised?
I don't justify giving less that was promised but is it so bad that they got 4k instead of 5k?
Fraud fraud fraud what dint you get about that
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 12:17:52 PM
lets debate it
I hate liers not worth debating somthing or with someone that can always change his mind since the thing he said before did not have to be true
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
Explain, ppl that would not make a buck from cc now get some cash. whats the problem? that they didnt receive the total that they were promised?
I don't justify giving less that was promised but is it so bad that they got 4k instead of 5k?

Yes. Lying is a slightly problematic business model. If you don't keep to your agreement, by definition you made a fraudulent promise.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:19:06 PM
Of course its so bad. If you felt the need to scream "5000" in order to get customers, you gotta give them that.
better they shouldn't get anything??
you are right they "should" give whatever they promise, but at least these ppl rack in cash for doing nothing.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:20:01 PM
Fraud fraud fraud what dint you get about that
what fraud???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 12:20:16 PM
better they shouldn't get anything??
you are right they "should" give whatever they promise, but at least these ppl rack in cash for doing nothing.
Yup better to get nothing than to lie and get everything
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 12:20:36 PM
what fraud???
Your the fraud he is talking about
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:21:03 PM
Yes. Lying is a slightly problematic business model. If you don't keep to your agreement, by definition you made a fraudulent promise.
so should be "fraud"
its still worth it for those ppl
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 12:21:10 PM
better they shouldn't get anything??
you are right they "should" give whatever they promise, but at least these ppl rack in cash for doing nothing.
If the companies aren't honest about what they're giving you, they're making a fraudulent promise. I don't care what kind of excuses there are of "it's the best you're getting anyways".
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:22:20 PM
so should be "fraud"
its still worth it for those ppl
No its not
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
what fraud???
If you sign a contract to sell something for $100. You deliver the goods (which the buyer takes and happily flips for $500), and are only paid $50. The buyer says "Too bad". Most would define that as fraud.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:23:49 PM
No its not
why not?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 06, 2016, 12:25:15 PM
why not?
do you think you are going to get anywhere in life with this fraudulent money you received? you seem to be jewish (i will steer away from calling you religious), so do you really think G-d will let you get far in life with that money which was stolen from others?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:29:56 PM
why not?
You looking to sell anything ? I pay well, trust me
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:30:58 PM
You looking to sell anything ? I pay well, trust me
want to debate
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:31:27 PM
do you think you are going to get anywhere in life with this fraudulent money you received? you seem to be jewish (i will steer away from calling you religious), so do you really think G-d will let you get far in life with that money which was stolen from others?
you didnt answer..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:33:06 PM
If you sign a contract to sell something for $100. You deliver the goods (which the buyer takes and happily flips for $500), and are only paid $50. The buyer says "Too bad". Most would define that as fraud.
call it "fraud" it's still worth those ppl!!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 12:33:34 PM
want to debate

OK. Let's debate.
Q) Is lying and breaking promises about promised payments, and swindling someone out of information without any intention of paying the price you are guaranteeing, right or wrong?

If you answer yes, it's over. If you answer no (which you already have), you're finished. Pretty simple.


Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 12:34:13 PM
call it "fraud" it's still worth those ppl!!

Coherent English is the vernacular of choice on this erstwhile forum.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 12:34:14 PM
want to debate
What's there to debate?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:36:04 PM
Yup better to get nothing than to lie and get everything
we are talking about those ppl that receive it some cash better, they are not lying.. better they should receive something then nothing
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 06, 2016, 12:37:50 PM
we are talking about those ppl that receive it some cash better, they are not lying.. better they should receive something then nothing
you are delusional
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:39:38 PM
want to debate
Why ? You agree its wrong. EOS
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:41:22 PM
OK. Let's debate.
Q) Is lying and breaking promises about promised payments, and swindling someone out of information without any intention of paying the price you are guaranteeing, right or wrong?

If you answer yes, it's over. If you answer no (which you already have), you're finished. Pretty simple.
its wrong,
But its worth for those ppl?
you sound like the lawyer asking the judge "is it true the judge stopped receiving bribe?" answer yes or no only.....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 12:42:08 PM
its wrong,
But its worth for those ppl?
you sound like the lawyer asking the judge "is it true the judge stopped receiving bribe?" answer yes or no only.....
It's actually not worth it for them either
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: happinessNsunshine on July 06, 2016, 12:42:45 PM
Coherent English is the vernacular of choice on this erstwhile forum.

erstĚwhile
ˈərstˌ(h)wīl/Submit
adjective
1.
former.
"his erstwhile rivals"
synonyms:   former, old, past, one-time, sometime, ex-, late, then; More
adverbarchaic
1.
formerly.
"Mary Anderson, erstwhile the queen of America's stage"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:42:52 PM
Why ? You agree its wrong. EOS
i don't justify them just saying for those ppl thats the best option out there
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 12:44:12 PM
It's actually not worth it for them either
WHY NOT? explain aren't we debating?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 12:45:24 PM
WHY NOT? explain aren't we debating?
The reward is not worth the risk being taken
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: davidmal on July 06, 2016, 12:45:33 PM
WHY NOT? explain aren't we debating?
Lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 12:46:23 PM
i don't justify them just saying for those ppl thats the best option out there
Ok stupid idiot.

Do you agree that i can go into a store and buy something and then call amex to say my card was stolen? because the store will not lose anything so why not?!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 12HRS on July 06, 2016, 12:46:32 PM
"this" "thread" "is" "amazing"

and no its not worth it. Telling someone they are getting 5k and then giving them 4k is not worth it even if its 4k they would not have had otherwise. the feeling of being scammed and cheated makes it not worth it at all in any way shape or form.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:47:31 PM
i don't justify them just saying for those ppl thats the best option out there
Wrong again
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 12:48:42 PM
"this" "thread" "is" "amazing"

and no its not worth it. Telling someone they are getting 5k and then giving them 4k is not worth it even if its 4k they would not have had otherwise. the feeling of being scammed and cheated makes it not worth it at all in any way shape or form.
Plus the headaches, even if they eventually wiggle out of it. They were told "hassle free" "we do everything"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 12:49:39 PM
Plus the headaches, even if they eventually wiggle out of it. They were told "hassle free" "we do everything"
Yeah but you are getting money for it!

Get it?
I dont
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on July 06, 2016, 12:55:57 PM
I agree that its "genaivah" but its so bad that ppl make some money that they wouldn't have made otherwise

What if they were promised $5,000 and were only give $5?  Are you OK with that?  They made "some money that they wouldn't have made otherwise."  Why is the amount relevant, and where do you draw the line?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: dealfinder85 on July 06, 2016, 12:56:41 PM
this mussar is at everyone, including myself
why do we respond to him? if no one responds, hell hopefully go away
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: 3yummyboys on July 06, 2016, 12:58:39 PM
Things that sound too good to be true usually are.

Yes, some people got their "free" money buy many have gotten less than expected, got messed over majorly (read unthread), and unwillingly participated in shady business.

I don't understand the argument that this is somehow ok.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on July 06, 2016, 01:03:53 PM
Are we forgetting the part about it being illegal to open credit cards for someone else, even with permission? Even if giving people less than what was promised isn't fraud (don't ask me how to explain that one) how can you justify doing something illegal to make a few thousands dollars? Even with all the "shady stuff" you think people on DDF partake in, I don't think anybody is doing anything illegal.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 01:17:25 PM
Are we forgetting the part about it being illegal to open credit cards for someone else, even with permission? Even if giving people less than what was promised isn't fraud (don't ask me how to explain that one) how can you justify doing something illegal to make a few thousands dollars? Even with all the "shady stuff" you think people on DDF partake in, I don't think anybody is doing anything illegal.

Has you ever opened a card for a spouse, parent, family member, or friend?

Where do you get it from that opening am account with permission is illegal?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chbochur on July 06, 2016, 01:28:24 PM
I don't get it, no one here ever leased or bought a car? Anyone who leases or buys knows that there will be hidden fees thrown in, and yes we hate them and their wrong, but that is how the car business is ran, and we all go and get cars. If it's that wrong that they charge you more then they advertised (or even promised you personally) then you should sit without a car, why is it that everyone gets cars? Very simple WE NEED THEM!
Car dealers are known to be crooked, people dealing with credit card are known to be "shady", if you really need the 4k you'd accept it even though you were promised 5k. I'm not saying it's right, in fact it's absolutely wrong of the guy promising, but if someone desperately needs it they might consider accepting the "loss"
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 01:30:04 PM
I don't get it, no one here ever leased or bought a car? Anyone who leases or buys knows that there will be hidden fees thrown in, and yes we hate them and their wrong, but that is how the car business is ran, and we all go and get cars. If it's that wrong that they charge you more then they advertised (or even promised you personally) then you should sit without a car, why is it that everyone gets cars? Very simple WE NEED THEM!
Car dealers are known to be crooked, people dealing with credit card are known to be "shady", if you really need the 4k you'd accept it even though you were promised 5k. I'm not saying it's right, in fact it's absolutely wrong of the guy promising, but if someone desperately needs it they might consider accepting the "loss"
The risk is much bigger and these credit card farms get the naive people
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 01:31:16 PM
I don't get it, no one here ever leased or bought a car? Anyone who leases or buys knows that there will be hidden fees thrown in, and yes we hate them and their wrong, but that is how the car business is ran, and we all go and get cars. If it's that wrong that they charge you more then they advertised (or even promised you personally) then you should sit without a car, why is it that everyone gets cars? Very simple WE NEED THEM!
Car dealers are known to be crooked, people dealing with credit card are known to be "shady", if you really need the 4k you'd accept it even though you were promised 5k. I'm not saying it's right, in fact it's absolutely wrong of the guy promising, but if someone desperately needs it they might consider accepting the "loss"
You missed the boat! We are not arguing on that point that point only came up after some dumbell could not get his mind to think honestly.

There are many other factors involved that would make this more than your "car rental".
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chbochur on July 06, 2016, 01:36:02 PM
Aha
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Marko Rubio on July 06, 2016, 01:53:16 PM
If you know someone who personally got messed over have them email me.
is this called messed up?  ;)
i have a friend who signed up 2 weeks ago with 1 of the ppl doing this, before he knew whats going on he got a call from the f/r dep asking about his business, he even didnt know the business name when they asked it from him, they closed all his accounts,they didnt even had a chance to spend a cent on his cards so of course he didnt make a cent......   when calling that guy to ask whats going on he said well what can i do that u got f/r we cant help u now anymore  since its closed
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Malachi on July 06, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
If they would spend the money legitimately, play it safe and not open too many card and pay the cash to the customer what they promised what is wrong with that? I'm talking about if they are opening personal cards not business.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 01:54:06 PM
is this called messed up?  ;)
i have a friend who signed up 2 weeks ago with 1 of the ppl doing this, before he knew whats going on he got a call from the f/r dep asking about his business, he even didnt know the business name when they asked it from him, they closed all his accounts,they didnt even had a chance to spend a cent on his cards before closing it so of course he didnt make a cent......   when calling that guy to ask whats going on he said well what can i do that u got f/r we cant help u now anymore  since its closed
Yes
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Iz on July 06, 2016, 01:55:44 PM
Coherent English is the vernacular of choice on this erstwhile forum.
What would give you that idea?! :o
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Marko Rubio on July 06, 2016, 01:56:00 PM
Yes
ok will tell him to email dan, what is dan planing to do about this?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2016, 01:56:26 PM
is this called messed up?  ;)
i have a friend who signed up 2 weeks ago with 1 of the ppl doing this, before he knew whats going on he got a call from the f/r dep asking about his business, he even didnt know the business name when they asked it from him, they closed all his accounts,they didnt even had a chance to spend a cent on his cards so of course he didnt make a cent......   when calling that guy to ask whats going on he said well what can i do that u got f/r we cant help u now anymore  since its closed
Have him email me.
For the record, I haven't received any emails yet.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 01:56:31 PM
ok will tell him to email dan, what is dan planing to do about this?
Ask him
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2016, 01:56:52 PM
ok will tell him to email dan, what is dan planing to do about this?
If I get enough firsthand reports I'll make a post on the stories.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Marko Rubio on July 06, 2016, 02:04:36 PM
If I get enough firsthand reports I'll make a post on the stories.
ok will ask him to email,
forgot to mention that the add was promising 5k after my friend singed up with him he told him he will only get $2500 when asking why he said that 5k is only for a couple, so my friend asked him why dont u advertise 20k and when calling in say that its only for a couple with 2 kids,   anyways he was so in need for the money that he signed up even for $2500 in the end they opened few cc on his name and he didnt got even a cent out of it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 02:05:42 PM
If I get enough firsthand reports I'll make a post on the stories.
Why bother ? The DDMS readers are signing up for their own cards. Its the others who don't know anything about cards & see the ads in the weekly's.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 02:07:12 PM
Why bother ? The DDMS readers are signing up for their own cards. Its the others who don't know anything about cards & see the ads in the weekly's.
Maybe if we have it trending on Twitter it might help a few more people
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on July 06, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
I still don't see the big issue with these guys.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 02:11:45 PM
Maybe if we have it trending on Twitter it might help a few more people
The people I know that thought about it don't have internet.
Originally someone planned to raise money to put ads against it. Seems like nothing became of that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Marko Rubio on July 06, 2016, 02:13:17 PM
hey guys last chance this is from today:‏@KolHaolam
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Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 02:13:36 PM
I still don't see the big issue with these guys.
1) Thery'te not giving what they promised.
2) They're leaving the clueless to deal with amex when there's problems.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on July 06, 2016, 02:15:50 PM
1) Thery'te not giving what they promised.
2) They're leaving the clueless to deal with amex when there's problems.
It seems they explain what they will give you before they actually sign you up. So the ad is deceiving, welcome to business.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 02:17:16 PM
It seems they explain what they will give you before they actually sign you up. So the ad is deceiving, welcome to business.
Exactly. This is the thread to give them the 1 star.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on July 06, 2016, 02:18:14 PM
Exactly. This is the thread to give them the 1 star.
But it still doesn't make them a "scam" as everyone puts it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Malachi on July 06, 2016, 02:19:41 PM
But it still doesn't make them a "scam" as everyone puts it.
I agree
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Ygold on July 06, 2016, 02:20:57 PM
All you jealous dudes need a life - seriously! You just don't like that other people can make a buck.
And for the record I don't condone their business practices nor would I recommend my friends and family do to this CC signup. But you guys are seriously taking this to another level.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 02:23:08 PM
It seems they explain what they will give you before they actually sign you up. So the ad is deceiving, welcome to business.
It bothers me to no end that this is a true statement.

I am proud to say that this is not the way it is in my business.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 02:42:01 PM
All you jealous dudes need a life - seriously! You just don't like that other people can make a buck.
And for the record I don't condone their business practices nor would I recommend my friends and family do to this CC signup. But you guys are seriously taking this to another level.
Its not that the other guy is making money, go ahead. Its that someone is making money off something not legit
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chff on July 06, 2016, 02:43:48 PM
Spending arranged for Yiddish speaking customers only
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 02:48:15 PM
its wrong,
But its worth for those ppl?
you sound like the lawyer asking the judge "is it true the judge stopped receiving bribe?" answer yes or no only.....

So what do you say???
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 02:53:52 PM
So what do you say???
That your mind is warped and i hope never to do business with you
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 02:54:02 PM
is this called messed up?  ;)
i have a friend who signed up 2 weeks ago with 1 of the ppl doing this, before he knew whats going on he got a call from the f/r dep asking about his business, he even didnt know the business name when they asked it from him, they closed all his accounts,they didnt even had a chance to spend a cent on his cards so of course he didnt make a cent......   when calling that guy to ask whats going on he said well what can i do that u got f/r we cant help u now anymore  since its closed
He shouldn't have attempted to deal with FR by himself. I wouldn't call this a prime example of people they screwed over.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on July 06, 2016, 02:56:26 PM
He shouldn't have attempted to deal with FR by himself.
How should he know that, or even know what an FR is? All he knows is that the CC company called him with questions, which he tried (and failed) to answer.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 02:59:17 PM
But it still doesn't make them a "scam" as everyone puts it.
The people in the past few pages were taking one dumb guy to town. He was a sitting duck.

In general, I think that most of these places aren't as bad as people here make them sound. Plenty of people do get what they're promised when they meet.

It does seem like there's a bit of jealousy, that these guys do in an hour what some "pros" here do in a year.

Many people are playing this game for free vacations. These guys are doing it for a parnassa. I know which one I consider to take priority...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: theblakdavid on July 06, 2016, 03:01:11 PM
It bothers me to no end that this is a true statement.

I am proud to say that this is not the way it is in my business.
It's true in a sense. But the main issue that people are having is they are hiding the risks from their customers. What actually ended up happening to any number of people isn't proof of the risks. You are giving them your personal information to spend under your name, while you are fully liable for it. Whether you get the amount they promise or not is sort of a side issue. That can be justified to some extent as acceptable business practise, inflating the numbers and making the advertised profit contingent on factors that you don't reveal fully. The main issue is that they are targeting and exploiting the vulnerable and naive, in a society that is so hard pressed for cash that 5k could mean the difference between declaring bankruptcy or not. They prey on the naive without informing them of the real risks involved, which is much more than just not getting the promised amount. Even if 5 thousand people didn't lose any money, or even if they gained, that doesn't mitigate the risks in any way. Nor does it justify the exploitation of the vulnerable.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 03:02:53 PM
He shouldn't have attempted to deal with FR by himself. I wouldn't call this a prime example of people they screwed over.
That is not a valid statment
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: theblakdavid on July 06, 2016, 03:04:21 PM
That is not a valid statment
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
How should he know that, or even know what an FR is? All he knows is that the CC company called him with questions, which he tried (and failed) to answer.

That is not a valid statment
They should've warned him not to get involved in it, and to call them first.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on July 06, 2016, 03:05:34 PM
They should've warned him not to get involved in it, and to forward the calls to them.
But they didn't
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 03:06:21 PM
But they didn't
Any will not...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on July 06, 2016, 03:13:36 PM
I would love an AMA with any of these guys.

What percentage get FRd?
What percentage get the full amount promised?
What percentage have clawback issues?
What percentage are sent bills by AmEx?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 06, 2016, 03:16:45 PM
All of us are doing those "shady stuff" as you call it
-10000 you idiot, can you read? If if someone here is doing shady stuff AT LEAST HE'S NOT DOING IT FOR OTHERS
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 06, 2016, 03:18:09 PM
*Can we remove Lakewood from the thread title?*
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 06, 2016, 03:19:37 PM
It's true in a sense. But the main issue that people are having is they are hiding the risks from their customers. What actually ended up happening to any number of people isn't proof of the risks. You are giving them your personal information to spend under your name, while you are fully liable for it. Whether you get the amount they promise or not is sort of a side issue. That can be justified to some extent as acceptable business practise, inflating the numbers and making the advertised profit contingent on factors that you don't reveal fully. The main issue is that they are targeting and exploiting the vulnerable and naive, in a society that is so hard pressed for cash that 5k could mean the difference between declaring bankruptcy or not. They prey on the naive without informing them of the real risks involved, which is much more than just not getting the promised amount. Even if 5 thousand people didn't lose any money, or even if they gained, that doesn't mitigate the risks in any way. Nor does it justify the exploitation of the vulnerable.
Well said.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: theblakdavid on July 06, 2016, 03:28:51 PM
-10000 you idiot, can you read? If if someone here is doing shady stuff AT LEAST HE'S NOT DOING IT FOR OTHERS
Couldn't agree more. If someone wants to steal, cheat, or lie, that's his choice. But to get others to, and not only that, but make them monetarily liable, is a whole different thing. And if someone does that, and deliberately misleads them about the risks and liability, is entrapment, and exploitation. Whether there are people that were charged for their miles after refunded tickets wiggled out of it, is wholly irrelevant.
*Can we remove Lakewood from the thread title?*
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on July 06, 2016, 03:45:13 PM
*Can we remove Lakewood from the thread title?*
No.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 03:48:09 PM
No.
But a mod can...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 03:54:54 PM
No.
I was gonna change it to Chicago...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 03:55:46 PM
I was gonna change it to Chicago...
:)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2016, 03:57:24 PM
*Can we remove Lakewood from the thread title?*
Are the farms not based in Lakewood? I heard they are and apparently OP did as well?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on July 06, 2016, 03:57:56 PM
Dan the biggest favor you can possibly do for the community is to spread an awareness of these companies!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2016, 03:59:05 PM
Dan the biggest favor you can possibly do for the community is to spread an awareness of these companies!
If I get a few people to email me I'd be happy to report their stories.
So far I've gotten 0 emails.
Are people embarrassed they they got FRed or stiffed?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 04:02:26 PM
If I get a few people to email me I'd be happy to report their stories.
So far I've gotten 0 emails.
Are people embarrassed they they got FRed or stiffed?
No I think that those that got busted don't know of this thread
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 04:02:52 PM
Are the farms not based in Lakewood? I heard they are and apparently OP did as well?
Not all are

The OP was talking when most were
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on July 06, 2016, 04:03:38 PM
No I think that those that got busted don't know of this thread
+1 if anyone knows of someone personally that got messed up then have them contact Dan...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 04:12:00 PM
+1 if anyone knows of someone personally that got messed up then have them contact Dan...
The person i know was "fixed" after he called them up
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 06, 2016, 04:57:11 PM
The person i know was "fixed" after he called them up
so no personal stories just a bunch of rumers
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 04:58:09 PM
so no personal stories just a bunch of rumers
um come again my friend is lying

dumbbell lier scandal thief 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on July 06, 2016, 05:01:32 PM
I was gonna change it to Chicago...
Sounds like a great idea. I could use 100 per referral. How many gullible Chicagoans you think I can get?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 05:01:58 PM
Sounds like a great idea. I could use 100 per referral. How many gullible Chicagoans you think I can get?
200
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on July 06, 2016, 08:04:53 PM
If I get a few people to email me I'd be happy to report their stories.
So far I've gotten 0 emails.
Are people embarrassed they they got FRed or stiffed?
Wasn't me, I was telling over a friends story, I'll ask him if he'll do it though.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on July 06, 2016, 09:08:28 PM
The problem with these theifs are that they lie about how they spend, I called a few of these adds and all said that they don't do refundables, we'll I ordered statements from those cards and they all had refundable tickets! One big fraud liers and cheaters!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 09:10:00 PM
The problem with these theifs are that they lie about how they spend, I called a few of these adds and all said that they don't do refundables, we'll I ordered statements from those cards and they all had refundable tickets! One big fraud liers and cheaters!
Negative accounts? When was this?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on July 06, 2016, 09:11:17 PM
Negative accounts? When was this?
Negative accounts?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 09:11:36 PM
Negative accounts?
When was this?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on July 06, 2016, 09:13:04 PM
When was this?
I never said about a negative account, but I did see one about a year ago from one of these companies
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: A3 on July 06, 2016, 09:14:29 PM
Sounds like a great idea. I could use 100 per referral. How many gullible Chicagoans you think I can get?
Plenty; dead or alive, old and young.
If it works for voting it can work for this.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 06, 2016, 09:42:44 PM
Sounds like a great idea. I could use 100 per referral. How many gullible Chicagoans you think I can get?
How much are you paying for potential referrals? I take kickbacks on my kickbacks.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 06, 2016, 10:27:47 PM
If I get a few people to email me I'd be happy to report their stories.
So far I've gotten 0 emails.
Are people embarrassed they they got FRed or stiffed?
I can email you about my relative that got hit hard, but he got out of it at the end...     but for a period of time he was "liable" for thousands of dollars in charges.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on July 06, 2016, 10:32:49 PM
I can email you about my relative that got hit hard, but he got out of it at the end...     but for a period of time he was "liable" for thousands of dollars in charges.
How did he get out of it ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on July 06, 2016, 11:24:55 PM
um come again my friend is lying

dumbbell lier scandal thief
Are you 3?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 06, 2016, 11:36:37 PM
Are you 3?
Yup i was speaking on his level
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on July 07, 2016, 01:15:31 AM
Whoever has problems with the Lakewood part should do what they have to do...  Not just try to cover up and ask to have Lakewood removed.  All of these companies I know of are located in Lakewood. So be it. I know it's  shame.  The עיר התורה.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 07, 2016, 01:17:35 AM
How did he get out of it ?
Claimed everything was fraud I think
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on July 07, 2016, 01:18:27 AM
And to those who try to make the case that everyone ranting here is just "jealous" is the same jerk as MasterAmex is.

Hello? Why am I not allowed to rant when my friend was messed up? Why is it called jealous?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yehuda25 on July 07, 2016, 01:20:02 AM
Whoever has problems with the Lakewood part should do what they have to do...  Not just try to cover up and ask to have Lakewood removed.  All of these companies I know of are located in Lakewood. So be it. I know it's  shame.  The עיר התורה.
Though to be fair, there are definitely farms that are not located there...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on July 07, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
Whoever has problems with the Lakewood part should do what they have to do...  Not just try to cover up and ask to have Lakewood removed.  All of these companies I know of are located in Lakewood. So be it. I know it's  shame.  The עיר התורה.
What do they have to do? How many do you know of?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on July 07, 2016, 11:00:58 AM
Go to local Rabbi's and have them stop these people.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on July 07, 2016, 11:12:29 AM
Go to local Rabbi's and have them stop these people.
if i remember correctly about a year the rabbis put out a letter against these people and it was hung up in bmg...

update http://thepartialview.blogspot.com/2014/07/rabbonim-lakewood-poskim-sign-letter-in.html

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=43147.0;topicseen
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Marko Rubio on July 07, 2016, 01:22:58 PM
He shouldn't have attempted to deal with FR by himself. I wouldn't call this a prime example of people they screwed over.
he shouldent what? most ppl doing this have no clue about FR or anything about amex and cc, he got a call and was lost, he did say he will call back but the FR rep told him he just wants to ask him 2 small questions about his business, the first question was whats his business he said im sorry i cant talk right now will call u back the FR rep asked him u cant just answer me whats your business name and what your business is doing why do u have to call me back.... and the rest is history
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 01:25:18 PM
he shouldent what? most ppl doing this have no clue about FR or anything about amex and cc, he got a call and was lost, he did say he will call back but the FR rep told him he just wants to ask him 2 small questions about his business, the first question was whats his business he said im sorry i cant talk right now will call u back the FR rep asked him u cant just answer me whats your business name and what your business name is doing why do u have to call me back.... and the rest is history
You're right. It's the agencies fault for putting this guy's number as the contact number. They should've put their own.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Marko Rubio on July 07, 2016, 01:36:41 PM
You're right. It's the agencies fault for putting this guy's number as the contact number. They should've put their own.
i guess they cant put their own number on all apps, cause the FR dep will see that they are calling the same number all day.... ;)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 01:42:23 PM
i guess they cant put their own number on all apps, cause the FR dep will see that they are calling the same number all day.... ;)
Numbers are cheaper by the dozen.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on July 07, 2016, 01:55:34 PM
Go to local Rabbi's and have them stop these people.
According to @MasterAmex the rabonim are
1) jealous
2) don't know how business works
3) confused between right and wrong
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on July 07, 2016, 04:24:09 PM
According to @MasterAmex the rabonim are
1) jealous
2) don't know how business works
3) confused between right and wrong
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on July 07, 2016, 04:30:18 PM
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??
you sound like you own or are involved in such a business

1-most people on this forum would not fall into these trap
2-anyone in this forum who actually fell into this trap would be very imbarressed about it
3-this is not called "inflating ads" rather this is called preying on the naive and proof to that is that anyone that realy knows what goes on in these "companies" would not have a 1% chance of signing up!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 04:31:07 PM
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??

No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 04:47:47 PM
No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given
A and B do not seem to be legitimate grievances to call these people scamming the people signing up (besides for the fact that many people here do it on a smaller scale). They are scamming the CC company, not their "customers".

C is a legitimate grievance.

 I would also add:

D) The people they are signing up are not being informed of the potential risks involved in what can arguably be called fraud, and the potential liabilities.

In addition, there seem to have been some cases of mess ups when the charges weren't "paid"  and the cardholders were sent a bill for the balance.


I do think that some think this is a "scam" because the people they are signing up can do this themselves and make much more money. That seems to be what is being hotly contested that they never would've touched this in their lives and made a penny off this, like 99% of the population.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Malachi on July 07, 2016, 04:48:21 PM
No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given
is that true? I still think people would have an issue
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 04:51:10 PM
is that true? I still think people would have an issue
Why?

No one comes out against someone just because of jealousy.

 

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on July 07, 2016, 04:52:45 PM
Why?

No one comes out against someone just because of jealousy.

 


Maybe the anti's think that this whole farming of the deals, will make the banks crack down, and somehow kill, or patially kill the goose.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 04:54:05 PM
A and B do not seem to be legitimate grievances to call these people scamming the people signing up (besides for the fact that many people here do it on a smaller scale). They are scamming the CC company, not their "customers".

C is a legitimate grievance.

 I would also add:

D) The people they are signing up are not being informed of the potential risks involved in what can arguably be called fraud, and the potential liabilities.

In addition, there seem to have been some cases of mess ups when the charges weren't "paid"  and the cardholders were sent a bill for the balance.


I do think that some think this is a "scam" because the people they are signing up can do this themselves and make much more money. That seems to be what is being hotly contested that they never would've touched this in their lives and made a penny off this, like 99% of the population.
Agree but.. I think that 1 and 2 are included in your D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 04:56:27 PM
Maybe the anti's think that this whole farming of the deals, will make the banks crack down, and somehow kill, or patially kill the goose.
To those people I say grow up.

I work in the prepaid business and there are people that abuse the spiff system. I would never do it because I dont think its honest way of life. Am I upset that they are making more money? Not in the least bit.
Are the company's cracking down on us; sure they are but that is life!

If Hashem would want me to make the money he would send it to me in another way. I see this day in and out.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on July 07, 2016, 05:03:07 PM
To those people I say grow up.

I work in the prepaid business and there are people that abuse the spiff system. I would never do it because I dont think its honest way of life. Am I upset that they are making more money? Not in the least bit.
Are the company's cracking down on us; sure they are but that is life!

If Hashem would want me to make the money he would send it to me in another way. I see this day in and out.
What's the prepaid business?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 05:04:15 PM
Why?

No one comes out against someone just because of jealousy.

 

When this explodes, it will hurt our pockets in a big way.
We also have a big financial interest to bring them down.

Who's starting a crowdfunding thread to raise money to run ads exposing these people's tactics?

It's worth every dollar. One credit card being declined a year from now because of it is a bigger loss than any money you need to invest in it.


In all fairness, for those reasons, I actually thought of signing up with the people at the Parnassah Expo (is this the same group who had a booth there?)    When people unknowingly fall prey to shady actions that also affect me.....it's a different story.


You've been involved in this conversation for years. You still think everyone wants it shut down out of the goodness of their hearts, and because of their pity on the cc companies? What a noble forum we have here.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 05:04:53 PM
What's the prepaid business?
Prepaid cellular service.

I certainly like the spiff system.

I don't mind admitting my selfishness; I wish it wasn't cracked down on because I was saving money due to the abuse.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 05:05:41 PM
Prepaid cellular service.
Correct
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on July 07, 2016, 06:24:17 PM
A and B do not seem to be legitimate grievances to call these people scamming the people signing up (besides for the fact that many people here do it on a smaller scale). They are scamming the CC company, not their "customers".

They are scamming the company in the customers name.
Many people would not agree to allow scamming done in their name.

Besides that, they are also scamming their clients.

1. They promise $5,000 and don't always pay that amount. If you say you will pay $5,000 and you pay $4,000 you cheated me out of $1,000, not very hard to understand.
2. They don't notify their clients that they will be using shady tactics that the client may not agree to for ethical reasons.
3. They don't notify clients of the risks and potential liabilities involved.

When you make an agreement where you have no intentions of dealing in good faith or in keeping your word, you are scamming the other side.
So yes, these farms are scams plain and simple.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 06:29:02 PM
They are scamming the company in the customers name.
Many people would not agree to allow scamming done in their name.

Besides that, they are also scamming their clients.

1. They promise $5,000 and don't always pay that amount. If you say you will pay $5,000 and you pay $4,000 you cheated me out of $1,000, not very hard to understand.
2. They don't notify their clients that they will be using shady tactics that the client may not agree to for ethical reasons.
3. They don't notify clients of the risks and potential liabilities involved.

When you make an agreement where you have no intentions of dealing in good faith or in keeping your word, you are scamming the other side.
So yes, these farms are scams plain and simple.
Ummm, do you realize that you basically repeated my post word for word as a refutation of my post? Read the post, or it'll just be going on circles.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on July 07, 2016, 06:30:30 PM
The fact that they might pay $4,000 instead of $5,000 is not necessarily the biggest issue. It is indicative, however, that they are not running an honest business, which plays out in a few ways. One of which is that the stuff they are doing in other people's names is NOT stuff those people would do knowingly.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 06:30:32 PM
Prepaid cellular service.

I certainly like the spiff system.

I don't mind admitting my selfishness; I wish it wasn't cracked down on because I was saving money due to the abuse.
Using it for yourself and using it for a business is 2 different things.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on July 07, 2016, 06:34:21 PM
Using it for yourself and using it for a business is 2 different things.
I was taking advantage of the businesses offering it.


Is that your philosophy about these farms too?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 06:34:41 PM
The fact that they might pay $4,000 instead of $5,000 is not necessarily the biggest issue. It is indicative, however, that they are not running an honest business, which plays out in a few ways. One of which is that the stuff they are doing in other people's names is NOT stuff those people would do knowingly.

Ummm, do you realize that you basically repeated my post word for word as a refutation of my post? Read the post, or it'll just be going on circles.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 06:36:13 PM
I was taking advantage of the businesses offering it.


Is that your philosophy about these farms too?
In a way yes but over here the customers are in the picture too...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on July 07, 2016, 06:36:29 PM
Ummm, do you realize that you basically repeated my post word for word as a refutation of my post? Read the post, or it'll just be going on circles.

Not at all, I disagree that they're only getting scammed on the liabilities part.
They're getting scammed in 3 different ways, compared to your 1.

Read my post again.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: etech0 on July 07, 2016, 09:56:34 PM

I wasn't arguing with you
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: DMYD on July 07, 2016, 10:02:17 PM
You got it all wrong..
I don't justify these ppl, giving less than they promised is not fair.
all i am saying is CALM DOWN. Most ppl that were "trapped" got a nice sum out of it, even it was less than promised. (again i don't justify it, but it's just like every other business inflating their ads etc.)
very FEW ppl (Dan is still waiting for ONE person to tell him a firsthand story) were "messed up" If you call FR messed up, and even those that really got messed up, it was cleared  up afterwards, as you see there was not even a single report of somebody who had a loss.
so what are you making a fuss about??
What's wrong with you!!??
Forget about what they say, it's what they don't say!
Let's see them tell one person that they do refundable ticket where we fool American express that we are buying something and then we return it.
And if you ask them if they do that they lie and say they don't!
So yes this is bank fraud and theft!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on July 07, 2016, 10:22:04 PM
What's wrong with you!!??
Forget about what they say, it's what they don't say!
Let's see them tell one person that they do refundable ticket where we fool American express that we are buying something and then we return it.
And if you ask them if they do that they lie and say they don't!
So yes this is bank fraud and theft!
Perhaps they should be taught somw kosher MS?😉
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 11:11:06 PM
Perhaps they should be taught somw kosher MS?😉
As if that's what they are looking for!?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on July 07, 2016, 11:20:43 PM
As if that's what they are looking for!?
My fault..I forgot the emoji😎
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on July 07, 2016, 11:36:45 PM
My fault..I forgot the emoji😎
Oh
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on July 10, 2016, 07:34:43 AM
The story I just recently told by guy was that
1) when they originally signed him up they didn't make sure to get all apps approved on one day . Rather they let apps sit and within a few weeks he had tons of inquiries on his credit which caused his CS to drop drastically
2) they didn't give him as much as promised
3) for while they kept signing hom up to cards eventhough they said they were gonna stop.
4) they kept using a credit card he told them to keep open for himself and not close it and would take the points for themselves . He didn't even know this till he decided to open one of his bills mailed to him and he saw a balance and was surprised since he hadn't used it in a few months .
5) he expressed a concern to then from the beginning that he didn't want to lose the once in a lifetime and they said he wouldn't .....he signed up himself a while later and saw that he did .
7)  they told him they closed all cards he asked them to close and got hit with an annual fee on a card "they closed" and didn't even know about it for months

I'm gonna ask him to email Dan . It would be a great service to the public .

No matter what , whether it's a standard business model to jump up the pay out ; you said something , you keep to it . The customer shouldn't suffer . The service provider should make less on it and keep his word . Farms only care about themselves . They don't care about the customer . They don't care to pay out rightfully , to lie, to maintain the customer's good credit or to even be more gracious to the customer being that logic says that if someone is coming to them they are desperate for the money. It's a raw edge sleazy business. Period. There's no justifications for any of these guys to do anything not good for the customer .
I hate to use the mashal in this way but I Feel that the set up is the same as an eved ivri.  An eved ivri gives over himself to be owned . Everything he has is to his master . The master by halacha must treat and provide for his eved prior to providing for himself . ---- the same too in this business deal. A guy comes to you and hands himself & identity  identity according to law over to the farmer . The farmer as the master now must look to provide for the customer prior to himself .
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ilherman on July 10, 2016, 11:40:01 PM
The story I just recently told by guy was that
1) when they originally signed him up they didn't make sure to get all apps approved on one day . Rather they let apps sit and within a few weeks he had tons of inquiries on his credit which caused his CS to drop drastically
2) they didn't give him as much as promised
3) for while they kept signing hom up to cards eventhough they said they were gonna stop.
4) they kept using a credit card he told them to keep open for himself and not close it and would take the points for themselves . He didn't even know this till he decided to open one of his bills mailed to him and he saw a balance and was surprised since he hadn't used it in a few months .
5) he expressed a concern to then from the beginning that he didn't want to lose the once in a lifetime and they said he wouldn't .....he signed up himself a while later and saw that he did .
7)  they told him they closed all cards he asked them to close and got hit with an annual fee on a card "they closed" and didn't even know about it for months

I'm gonna ask him to email Dan . It would be a great service to the public .

No matter what , whether it's a standard business model to jump up the pay out ; you said something , you keep to it . The customer shouldn't suffer . The service provider should make less on it and keep his word . Farms only care about themselves . They don't care about the customer . They don't care to pay out rightfully , to lie, to maintain the customer's good credit or to even be more gracious to the customer being that logic says that if someone is coming to them they are desperate for the money. It's a raw edge sleazy business. Period. There's no justifications for any of these guys to do anything not good for the customer .
I hate to use the mashal in this way but I Feel that the set up is the same as an eved ivri.  An eved ivri gives over himself to be owned . Everything he has is to his master . The master by halacha must treat and provide for his eved prior to providing for himself . ---- the same too in this business deal. A guy comes to you and hands himself & identity  identity according to law over to the farmer . The farmer as the master now must look to provide for the customer prior to himself .
Just have him email Dan..
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chocolate on August 16, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
And..... They are back. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/ad-2/452412/unbelievable-make-the-most-money-ever-up-to-7600-a-couple-limited-time-offer.html
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on August 16, 2016, 02:51:12 PM
And..... They are back. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/ad-2/452412/unbelievable-make-the-most-money-ever-up-to-7600-a-couple-limited-time-offer.html
They're never gone
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 16, 2016, 03:19:45 PM
They're never gone

Anyone with a YWN account should start posting in the comments section. Try to get it flooded.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on August 16, 2016, 03:43:14 PM
Anyone with a YWN account should start posting in the comments section. Try to get it flooded.
You can easily just create one yourself
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Eliyohu on August 16, 2016, 03:48:24 PM
@KolHaolam: AD - UNBELIEVABLE! Make up to $7600 per couple, signing up to Credit Cards. Privatecard1@gmail.com or 7185646018 https://t.co/HluUofOb1N/s/13WT
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on August 16, 2016, 03:55:01 PM
Anyone with a YWN account should start posting in the comments section. Try to get it flooded.
Care to enlighten commenter #1 there ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Eliyohu on August 16, 2016, 03:59:04 PM
Care to enlighten commenter #1 there ?
Atleast post a link to this thread...
Or is that against YWN rules...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on August 16, 2016, 05:00:09 PM
sending emails to ami and mishpacha etc. may have helped to cause them to stop printing the ads.
Let's email YWN, and kolhaolam. No one likes negative feedback
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on August 16, 2016, 05:02:18 PM
sending emails to ami and mishpacha etc. may have helped to cause them to stop printing the ads.
Let's email YWN, and kolhaolam. No one likes negative feedback
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 16, 2016, 05:11:42 PM
If all fails, we can always band together and sponsor an ad on kolhaolam and such against such scams.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 16, 2016, 05:13:24 PM
Do we really have to go through this again?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 16, 2016, 05:34:03 PM
Do we really have to go through this again?
Yes.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: nobiggy on August 16, 2016, 05:51:40 PM
Copy paste the wiki on YWN!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 16, 2016, 05:54:06 PM
We went through this literally less than 6 weeks ago. Do we have to rehash everything each time the guy reposts his ad?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 16, 2016, 06:04:20 PM
We went through this literally less than 6 weeks ago. Do we have to rehash everything each time the guy reposts his ad?

It's called damage control.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on August 16, 2016, 08:39:10 PM
YWN is heavily censored. Good luck getting them to publish comments against their sponsors.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Malachi on August 16, 2016, 09:06:47 PM
We went through this literally less than 6 weeks ago. Do we have to rehash everything each time the guy reposts his ad?
I couldn't  agree more. Either put up or shut up.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 16, 2016, 09:13:46 PM
I couldn't  agree more. Either put up or shut up.

Um, he's escalating the game. How often do these things get advertised on such a prominent site like Yeshiva World?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on August 16, 2016, 09:56:27 PM
Um, he's escalating the game. How often do these things get advertised on such a prominent site like Yeshiva World?
Too often
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: elya on August 17, 2016, 12:19:13 AM
Meh. Who looks at Yeshiva World without an Ad blocker anyway...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: puddles on August 17, 2016, 08:10:32 AM
Meh. Who looks at Yeshiva World without an Ad blocker anyway...
+1000
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 17, 2016, 08:19:02 AM
Meh. Who looks at Yeshiva World without an Ad blocker anyway...

+1000

This isn't just an ad. It's communicated content, which means that it comes up as an article. 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2016, 08:19:55 AM
Have you guys complained to YWN?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on August 17, 2016, 08:39:58 AM
This isn't just an ad. It's communicated content, which means that it comes up as an article.
Why do they do that ? It doesn't stay on the top that way. I had to go to the second page to find it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 17, 2016, 09:47:32 AM
Why do they do that ? It doesn't stay on the top that way. I had to go to the second page to find it.
Because people who do this↓
Meh. Who looks at Yeshiva World without an Ad blocker anyway...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on August 17, 2016, 09:50:05 AM
Because people who do this↓
It got lost real fast
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cholent on August 17, 2016, 09:56:04 AM
It got lost real fast
They're often stickied to the third post or so
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 17, 2016, 10:03:01 AM
Have you guys complained to YWN?

No way to reach them other than with an online form. Besides, the post is buried by now.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 17, 2016, 10:08:22 AM
Maybe @dan can tell them they can copy and paste his main site article on this subject for their own news purpose?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 17, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
Maybe @dan can tell them they can copy and paste his main site article on this subject for their own news purpose?
Dan has asked people with stories to come forward. Evidently, not enough have for him to do an article.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on August 17, 2016, 11:11:03 AM
They's 2 sides to every story. I'm sure these companies are not purposely screwing anyone. They have a reputation to uphold if they want anyone else to sign up with them. This is their livelihood, they can't afford to lose it.

I'm assuming the ones who were screwed did something that triggered it. Whether they tried taking the points for themselves, or maybe they did not properly respond to a call from the credit card issuer, whatever the case may be.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on August 17, 2016, 11:17:42 AM
They's 2 sides to every story. I'm sure these companies are not purposely screwing anyone. They have a reputation to uphold if they want anyone else to sign up with them. This is their livelihood, they can't afford to lose it.

I'm assuming the ones who were screwed did something that triggered it. Whether they tried taking the points for themselves, or maybe they did not properly respond to a call from the credit card issuer, whatever the case may be.


Please go though the last page...
No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given 
A and B do not seem to be legitimate grievances to call these people scamming the people signing up (besides for the fact that many people here do it on a smaller scale). They are scamming the CC company, not their "customers".

C is a legitimate grievance.

 I would also add:

D) The people they are signing up are not being informed of the potential risks involved in what can arguably be called fraud, and the potential liabilities.

In addition, there seem to have been some cases of mess ups when the charges weren't "paid"  and the cardholders were sent a bill for the balance.


I do think that some think this is a "scam" because the people they are signing up can do this themselves and make much more money. That seems to be what is being hotly contested that they never would've touched this in their lives and made a penny off this, like 99% of the population.
No one would have an issue IF

1. The charging was done legitimately (no shtick)
2. The income was not inflated
3. The money promised; was given 
is that true? I still think people would have an issue
Why?

No one comes out against someone just because of jealousy.
and.... continue
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 17, 2016, 11:23:35 AM
They's 2 sides to every story. I'm sure these companies are not purposely screwing anyone. They have a reputation to uphold if they want anyone else to sign up with them. This is their livelihood, they can't afford to lose it.

I'm assuming the ones who were screwed did something that triggered it. Whether they tried taking the points for themselves, or maybe they did not properly respond to a call from the credit card issuer, whatever the case may be.
Spoken like a true expert.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 17, 2016, 11:32:56 AM
Dan has asked people with stories to come forward. Evidently, not enough have for him to do an article.
I got a short run down of a story with a fine ending (he scared the guy off). If @dan wants it for an article I can try to get a longer version. although this story ends well it has points of the illegal activity these people do to make your life miserable when trying to get out of what they screwed up (in this case falsified info so the true owner couldn't fux it on his own).
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on August 17, 2016, 11:55:02 AM
Please go though the last page...
I just went thru the last page, and my point still stands.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on August 17, 2016, 11:56:47 AM
I just went thru the last page, and my point still stands.
Which farm do you run?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on August 17, 2016, 12:00:25 PM
Recycling...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on August 17, 2016, 12:14:34 PM
I just went thru the last page, and my point still stands.

Wow you're incredibly naive.
These companies must be a bastion of honesty, they don't lie, cheat or steal hundreds of times a day. And the countless reports are all coming from dishonest clients.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on August 17, 2016, 12:24:19 PM
Wow you're incredibly naive.
These companies must be a bastion of honesty, they don't lie, cheat or steal hundreds of times a day. And the countless reports are all coming from dishonest clients.
I'm not arguing to the fact whether they're lying to credit card companies, or distorting the facts.

I am solely talking about their relationship with their clients. They need them, and they need their references. The people who were screwed were probably either given misinformation regarding how it works or given false promises regarding how much money to expect.

If someone has bad credit, and they're unable to apply for the 5 Golds & 2 plats, then they won't get the full amount promised. In such a scenario, they feel like they've been cheated and being taken advantage of.

I've yet to hear a case where everything went smoothly, and the person didn't answer the wrong questions when the bank calls them, and the company still didn't give them what was promised.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on August 17, 2016, 12:24:56 PM
Hey guys, recycling is only on Thursday....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2016, 12:28:47 PM
My inbox still awaits concrete cases and details...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on August 17, 2016, 01:08:05 PM
My inbox still awaits concrete cases and details...
How about a post explaining how they do this, with all the cheating involved.

And the danger the customers put themselves in
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 17, 2016, 01:09:40 PM
How about a post explaining how they do this, with all the cheating involved.

And the danger the customers put themselves in

+1

The one friend of mine who did it got away fine, but stopped once I told him how they do it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 17, 2016, 01:09:49 PM
How about a post explaining how they do this, with all the cheating involved.

It would be the most popular deal in the history of DansDeals.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 17, 2016, 01:11:11 PM
Wow you're incredibly naive.
These companies must be a bastion of honesty, they don't lie, cheat or steal hundreds of times a day. And the countless reports are all coming from dishonest clients.
You're right. He's stupid and naive. You know much more about this than he ever will.

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on August 17, 2016, 01:12:09 PM
How about a post explaining how they do this, with all the cheating involved.

And the danger the customers put themselves in
I made a post on that.
To make another I'd like to have a couple examples of what goes on.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 17, 2016, 01:14:12 PM
I made a post on that.
To make another I'd like to have a couple examples of what goes on.
I'm trying.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on August 17, 2016, 01:19:56 PM
Dan's right.

If you contact YWN they will probably( and rightfully) suspect that your a competitor or just have a personal issue with the company.

It would be different if there are a few firsthand stories.

That said it does seem odd to me that after the hundreds of posts above Dan doesn't have 5-6 solid stories in his inbox...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Bukboy on August 17, 2016, 01:40:50 PM
A bit off topic,
I sold around 300k Chase for a broker (grey market), He added an additional to my account in order to transfer the points and book, I get a call from him 10 days ago that the tickets were stopped and he he's gonna take care of it, Today i got a letter in the mail from Chase that they noticed that i have transferred points to an ineligible user and if i don't send in documents with proof of address from the users they might shut down my account, What am i suppose to do now ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on August 17, 2016, 07:51:12 PM
My inbox still awaits concrete cases and details...
I wonder why this is.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: MasterAmex on August 18, 2016, 12:20:46 PM
I wonder why this is.
me too...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 18, 2016, 12:34:23 PM
me too...
We're all pretty sure you do this or have bias towards it. Is this true?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on August 18, 2016, 02:45:22 PM
We're all pretty sure you do this or have bias towards it. Is this true?
Not me.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yitrap on August 18, 2016, 02:46:58 PM
Not me.
You're confident?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on August 18, 2016, 02:49:32 PM
You're confident?
I meant I don't do this or have any bias. So my original question stands.
My inbox still awaits concrete cases and details...
I wonder why this is.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yitrap on August 18, 2016, 02:51:55 PM
I meant I don't do this or have any bias. So my original question stands.
Aha
I'd venture a guess that IF there are people who got truly messed over from it they're the types who don't frequent DDF or even know people that do...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on August 18, 2016, 03:18:18 PM
Aha
I'd venture a guess that IF there are people who got truly messed over from it they're the types who don't frequent DDF or even know people that do...
Or the people that do are too embarrassed to come forward
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on August 18, 2016, 03:19:46 PM
Or the people that do are too embarrassed to come forward
Why?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on August 18, 2016, 03:33:25 PM
Why?
Because everyone has this feeling that they just gave their SS to someone random. In most people's minds that does not sound right. Telling to someone that you did that and got messed over.....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Shauly101 on August 18, 2016, 04:00:36 PM
off the topic about the guys who send you checks, if you end up writing a post,
last yr there was s/o going around that he can swipe you all the money you need to reach the bonus, then by the due date he will do a online bill pay, it worked for a while and then the scam collapsed, he used it for his cash flow to run his store, get inventory....

i know ppl who woke up and needed to pay 5k,10k, and even 20k,
they were trying to pressure him that they will dispute the charges, he told them that he can show the CC company's his text messages and so on.... WATCH OUT 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dr Moose on August 18, 2016, 04:34:24 PM
This whole thread started because a DDFer knew someone that got screwed. So your assumption that they don't know anyone on DDF is incorrect.

There have been multiple people coming forward with complaints from their friends how they've been messed over, none of them are embarrassed to admit what happened. In fact, it's those that have friends who got messed over, that are the most outspoken to get Dan to write a post detailing everything. If they truly knew what the situation was, they could PM Dan all the info, which will only help their cause to get a post about it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Boruch999 on August 18, 2016, 04:46:10 PM
off the topic about the guys who send you checks, if you end up writing a post,
last yr there was s/o going around that he can swipe you all the money you need to reach the bonus, then by the due date he will do a online bill pay, it worked for a while and then the scam collapsed, he used it for his cash flow to run his store, get inventory....

i know ppl who woke up and needed to pay 5k,10k, and even 20k,
they were trying to pressure him that they will dispute the charges, he told them that he can show the CC company's his text messages and so on.... WATCH OUT

There's a locked PSA about this stickied to the top of the CC board.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Zkpncs48 on August 18, 2016, 05:05:34 PM
A bit off topic,
I sold around 300k Chase for a broker (grey market), He added an additional to my account in order to transfer the points and book, I get a call from him 10 days ago that the tickets were stopped and he he's gonna take care of it, Today i got a letter in the mail from Chase that they noticed that i have transferred points to an ineligible user and if i don't send in documents with proof of address from the users they might shut down my account, What am i suppose to do now ?
Did they say why they were ineligible? If you added them as users they should be eligible to transfer points to.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on August 25, 2016, 12:25:27 PM
Because everyone has this feeling that they just gave their SS to someone random. In most people's minds that does not sound right. Telling to someone that you did that and got messed over.....
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but between my kids camps, schools, insurance companies, and doctors, I've given my SS# to (too)many random people.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on August 25, 2016, 12:30:44 PM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but between my kids camps, schools, insurance companies, and doctors, I've given my SS# to (too)many random people.
I dont call that so random....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Ergel on August 25, 2016, 12:33:04 PM
I dont call that so random....
kid's camps?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on August 25, 2016, 12:36:44 PM
kid's camps?
Its not a random thing to send you kid to camp...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yuneeq on August 25, 2016, 12:42:40 PM
Its not a random thing to send you kid to camp...

No it's random that they need your SS#.
I wouldn't give it to them.
There's no way that they keep it secure.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on August 25, 2016, 12:45:08 PM
What exactly does a camp do with it ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on August 25, 2016, 12:45:53 PM
What exactly does a camp do with it ?
Insurance, supposedly.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on August 25, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but between my kids camps, schools, insurance companies, and doctors, I've given my SS# to (too)many random people.
Correct. Way to many people have it that you don't trust. But you never gave it to someone to do something with it that if it went sour you'd be messed over.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2016, 12:50:42 PM
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but between my kids camps, schools, insurance companies, and doctors, I've given my SS# to (too)many random people.
Meh. Just leave it blank.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on August 25, 2016, 12:55:18 PM
Insurance, supposedly.
They actually use it or you just put down any number ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mgarfin on August 25, 2016, 01:19:36 PM
Getting someone's SS is not that hard. I have access to almost all SS# by name, address, phone search.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on August 25, 2016, 02:50:22 PM
Getting someone's SS is not that hard. I have access to almost all SS# by name, address, phone search.
Is that access to a program or database that you have, or is this accessible to the general public that is competent in the usage of the internet?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on August 25, 2016, 07:13:23 PM
Getting someone's SS is not that hard. I have access to almost all SS# by name, address, phone search.
care to elaborate?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 04, 2016, 02:10:40 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160904/7aad52a622eae19bae3be5aecdb6ff0f.jpg)

Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 04, 2016, 03:32:14 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160904/7aad52a622eae19bae3be5aecdb6ff0f.jpg)
Yearly ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 04, 2016, 03:37:05 PM
Yearly ?
That's what it looks like
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 04, 2016, 03:44:02 PM
That's what it looks like
Hey, it's better than $7.5k.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on September 04, 2016, 03:46:28 PM
Yearly ?
Maybe it means $10K yearly for American citizens as a whole.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Zevi16 on September 04, 2016, 04:28:00 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=1885.msg1550138.msg#1550138
I'm wondering how many people in Israel will post this picture in different threads. Everyone will for sure think about posting.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baglach on September 04, 2016, 04:41:04 PM
Sad thing is misguided people in israel who need the cash and they will actually fall for it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 04, 2016, 04:54:30 PM
Sad thing is misguided people in israel who need the cash and they will actually fall for it.
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 04, 2016, 05:17:42 PM
Hey, it's better than $7.5k.
Lol . there's definitely some truth to that
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 05:25:53 PM
These things are getting worse and worse!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on September 05, 2016, 09:53:56 AM
Hey, it's better than $7.5k.

Might as well advertise $20k if they're going to anyway tell you later that you're getting less because you didn't get approved for as many cards as they hoped.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 05, 2016, 10:27:05 AM
Might as well advertise $20k if they're going to anyway tell you later that you're getting less because you didn't get approved for as many cards as they hoped.
That number is way too high
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on September 05, 2016, 10:42:15 AM
That number is way too high
But 10k isn't?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 10:45:27 AM
But 10k isn't?
Coming from the 5k that's always advertised no
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 05, 2016, 10:55:02 AM
+1
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 05, 2016, 10:57:53 AM
But 10k isn't?
Over the year as a yearly income. Not too crazy.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: bermo on September 05, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
Coming from the 5k that's always advertised no
5k is in a month
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 11:08:49 AM
5k is in a month
so they are doubling your money in a year just like all mlm's
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:36:25 AM
so they are doubling your money in a year just like all mlm's
Does it go towards tuition?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 11:40:34 AM
Does it go towards tuition?
Is your mind drowning in those thoughts, you seem cant get that out of your head!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:41:16 AM
Is your mind drowning in those thoughts, you seem cant get that out of your head!
I took your cue.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on September 05, 2016, 11:48:35 AM
Coming from the 5k that's always advertised no

Funny how you take these guys so seriously, as if they're trying to be upfront an honest about what you can realistically expect to get.

Either way, $10k is probably for a couple. Maybe they also ask for SSNs of parents on both sides...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 11:51:09 AM
Funny how you take these guys so seriously, as if they're trying to be upfront an honest about what you can realistically expect to get.
No i was not serious i was just replying to his question...

Either way, $10k is probably for a couple. Maybe they also ask for SSNs of parents on both sides...
Lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yr on September 20, 2016, 05:11:34 PM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/ad-2/464676/unbelievable-make-the-most-money-ever-up-to-7600-a-couple-limited-time-offer.html
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on September 20, 2016, 05:49:04 PM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/ad-2/464676/unbelievable-make-the-most-money-ever-up-to-7600-a-couple-limited-time-offer.html
Here we go again......this is the thread that never ends
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 21, 2016, 06:30:22 AM
Here we go again......this is the thread that never ends
" and it goes on and on my freinds ! Some pple started signing up to them,  not knowing what it was , & then these pple started screwing them JUST BECAUSE !!! , yes it's the thread that never ends ..."

Sorry , I had to lol
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: travel-ing on September 26, 2016, 07:49:59 AM
could we get a move on an ad, instead of everyone just discussing it here lets do something.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 08:15:07 AM
could we get a move on an ad, instead of everyone just discussing it here lets do something.
Go for it ! I don't think  anyone here really cares that much
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: elimmm on September 26, 2016, 08:29:19 AM
Yeshivaworld probably won't post the ad due to "conflicting interests"
Would Dan allow an ad? Or maybe an infomercial?? Or just a post (even cheaper)?
Also, is there a legitimate place that signs people up, who are fully aware of everything, but simply don't have time to research posts to figure out which cards to get and to do everything right with spending, annual fees, travel credits... (typical fear that newbies have)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Boruch999 on September 26, 2016, 08:31:00 AM
Yeshivaworld probably won't post the ad due to "conflicting interests"
Would Dan allow an ad? Or maybe an infomercial?? Or just a post (even cheaper)?
Also, is there a legitimate place that signs people up, who are full aware of everything, but simply don't have time to research posts top figure out which cards and to do everything right (typical fear that newbies have)

Dan has said repeatedly that if he gets a few first hand accounts of people who were wronged by the farms he will make a post.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 09:03:02 AM
Dan has said repeatedly that if he gets a few first hand accounts of people who were wronged by the farms he will make a post.
He'd probably even if he had one first hand story but seemingly looks like there really aren't such actual "clear farmers screwing over client" stories. If there were so many of these stories there forsure would've been atleast one person that came forward
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on September 26, 2016, 09:38:01 AM
He'd probably even if he had one first hand story but seemingly looks like there really aren't such actual "clear farmers screwing over client" stories. If there were so many of these stories there forsure would've been atleast one person that came forward

This past shabbos a friend told me that a farm ended up getting his existing AmEx accounts shut down, and he never got a dime either.  I'll try to get the whole story and forward to Dan.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 09:42:02 AM
This past shabbos a friend told me that a farm ended up getting his existing AmEx accounts shut down, and he never got a dime either.  I'll try to get the whole story and forward to Dan.
Good luck . Pple have said that before. Doesn't seem that pple actually come forward
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 26, 2016, 09:48:54 AM
He'd probably even if he had one first hand story but seemingly looks like there really aren't such actual "clear farmers screwing over client" stories. If there were so many of these stories there forsure would've been atleast one person that came forward

Good luck . Pple have said that before. Doesn't seem that pple actually come forward
My guess is lots of the people are scared. After all these guys have every piece of personal info about them, and they deffinetly won't take kindly to a public bashing of what they do.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 26, 2016, 09:54:58 AM
My guess is lots of the people are scared. After all these guys have every piece of personal info about them, and they deffinetly won't take kindly to a public bashing of what they do.
Dan doesn't have to post the guys name.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on September 26, 2016, 09:59:45 AM
Dan doesn't have to post the guys name.
But he said he want's one factual story
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 26, 2016, 10:06:28 AM
But he said he want's one factual story
And he would change the name "to protect the innocent".
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 26, 2016, 11:14:38 AM
And he would change the name "to protect the innocent".
These guys are masters at deception and shtick, they likely could figure out if it was a recent story and all the factual details were spelled out clearly.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on September 26, 2016, 11:20:33 AM
You're right. These people have trained private  investigators and hit men, and as soon as they catch someone squealing they disembowel them. Dan is going to have to start a witness protection program. There are really millions of people out there worn stories that would make your skin crawl, but they can't talk lest they meet a horrific fate.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 11:23:12 AM
These guys are masters at deception and shtick, they likely could figure out if it was a recent story and all the factual details were spelled out clearly.
Full details never have to be posted by Dan . It can be general information with all sorts of mixed up details.
Dams not an idiot . I'm sure that to protect whoever comes forward, himself (and probably even the farms themselves maybe) he will post it in a smart way .
he's a smart guy , givr the guy some credit . I wouldn't be concerned over how he'd post about it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 11:24:41 AM
You're right. These people have trained private  investigators and hit men, and as soon as they catch someone squealing they disembowel them. Dan is going to have to start a witness protection program. There are really millions of people out there worn stories that would make your skin crawl, but they can't talk lest they meet a horrific fate.
ALOL 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 26, 2016, 11:26:08 AM
These guys are masters at deception and shtick, they likely could figure out if it was a recent story and all the factual details were spelled out clearly.
They wouldn't dare retaliate even if they do know who it is. Unless if they enjoy federal law enforcement raids.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 26, 2016, 11:31:09 AM
I'm glad everyone is having a good time with this. Getting back to my original point, I was merely saying that this might be the underlying thought process as to why people don't come forward. Instead of questing the validity of the stories, realize that there may be an underlying fear factor here.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 26, 2016, 11:32:39 AM
There is also the possibility of threats to those messed up.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 26, 2016, 11:36:09 AM
There is also the possibility of threats to those messed up.
Exactly. Personally, if C"V I would ever find myself in that situation I would just want to damage control on my credit report and move on.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on September 26, 2016, 11:36:44 AM
Has anybody seen David Smith?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on September 26, 2016, 11:49:43 AM
This past shabbos a friend told me that a farm ended up getting his existing AmEx accounts shut down, and he never got a dime either.  I'll try to get the whole story and forward to Dan.

I confirmed this with him and would gladly forward the email to Dan.

@Dan, what's the best email to use?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 12:00:27 PM
I confirmed this with him and would gladly forward the email to Dan.

@Dan, what's the best email to use?
Just email
dan@dansdeals.com
Doesn't matter where u email to . Just get it done if it's serious
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on September 26, 2016, 12:03:48 PM
Just email
dan@dansdeals.com
Doesn't matter where u email to . Just get it done if it's serious

Sent
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 26, 2016, 12:33:38 PM
Mazel tov
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 26, 2016, 10:49:19 PM
Sent
Dan was it received?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2016, 12:03:41 AM
Yes, I asked several follow-up questions.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on September 27, 2016, 12:12:40 AM
Yes, I asked several follow-up questions.

I forwarded them and he said he'd get back to me when he has a moment.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on September 27, 2016, 08:14:43 AM
This isn't even a question of a scam anymore. Now it's simply amex being aggressive with anyone taking advantage of them. For anyone who values a relationship with them, signing up with one of these programs is a bad idea.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yoruel on September 29, 2016, 10:40:36 AM

saw this.
does anybody want to call the guy to tear him to shreds?

AD - AMAZING OFFER! Earn up to $7600 per couple signing up to Credit Cards. In time for Yom Tov bills! Privatecard1@gmail.com or 7185646018
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 29, 2016, 11:07:33 AM
Mods please change the title to $7600 :D :D :D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on September 29, 2016, 11:09:39 AM
Mods please change the title to $7600 :D :D :D
And please remove Lakewood.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on September 29, 2016, 11:13:33 AM
Mods please change the title to $7600 :D :D :D

"up to" :D

And please remove Lakewood.

I can also Modify your username to Mark from NJ :D
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on September 29, 2016, 12:15:25 PM
Wow...It look 1165 messages and (100 posts per ad ) to get someone to send Dan an email.

Now let's wait for the results
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People Who Offer up to $7600 In One Month
Post by: username on September 29, 2016, 12:19:51 PM
I can also Modify your username to Mark from NJ :D
?
But that would not make me Mark, and it would not make me from NJ.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on September 29, 2016, 01:36:29 PM
Wow...It look 1165 messages and (100 posts per ad ) to get someone to send Dan an email.

Now let's wait for the results
Waiting for follow up.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Aaaron on September 29, 2016, 02:31:39 PM
Waiting for follow up.

As am I.  I'll see him tonight.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 30, 2016, 04:14:49 AM
Wow...It look 1165 messages and (100 posts per ad ) to get someone to send Dan an email.

Now let's wait for the results
. Horrible of any of it is legitimate claims . Should've been taken care of so long ago .
Waiting for follow up.

As am I.  I'll see him tonight.
Success ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on September 30, 2016, 06:31:03 AM
And please remove Lakewood.
This doesn't happen in Lakewood?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on September 30, 2016, 08:23:49 AM
This doesn't happen in Lakewood?
That's not was asked or said. Just to remove it . :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on September 30, 2016, 09:18:59 AM
That's not was asked or said. Just to remove it . :)
You should leave it in and just add the others.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on September 30, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
You should leave it in and just add the others.
IINM the thread title could only be x long. You wouldn't be able to fit half of them in. :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on September 30, 2016, 09:44:53 AM
IINM the thread title could only be x long. You wouldn't be able to fit half of them in. :P
Wiki
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on September 30, 2016, 09:47:00 AM
Wiki
Desperate for popcorn?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: David Smith on September 30, 2016, 09:56:21 AM
Wiki
We're gonna have to put in people in Chicago that promise 200k a month...
Title: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on September 30, 2016, 10:08:06 AM
We're gonna have to put in people in Chicago that promise 200k a month...
I can give 500k for a family of 5 but only in Chattanooga, TN. Please add to wiki.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: ludmila on October 01, 2016, 02:43:08 PM
What's the prepaid business?

Prepaid cellular, prepaid phone cards , prepaid visa and master cards,prpaid international ling distance and many others.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on October 18, 2016, 10:47:58 PM
Anybody notice the ad in the succos zman? (first page, I think)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on October 19, 2016, 11:26:49 AM
Anybody notice the ad in the succos zman? (first page, I think)
Post a pic
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Cheesecake on October 19, 2016, 11:30:09 AM
Anybody notice the ad in the succos zman? (first page, I think)
Yes
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on October 19, 2016, 11:47:29 AM
Post a pic
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161019/f4fc6cacb11ebb9769e8620326cdcb98.jpg)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on October 19, 2016, 11:49:54 AM
That seems to be the same one for the last few months.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on October 19, 2016, 12:12:38 PM
Could be, I don't read very many Jewish publications
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dave321 on December 08, 2016, 12:06:24 PM
someone i know just got BURNT. He said it was a guy from deal. accounts under FR and didnt even get a penny from them. Sick
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on December 08, 2016, 12:12:30 PM
someone i know just got BURNT. He said it was a guy from deal. accounts under FR and didnt even get a penny from them. Sick
Have him send an email to dan@dansdeals.com
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lubaby on December 08, 2016, 12:22:27 PM
someone i know just got BURNT. He said it was a guy from deal. accounts under FR and didnt even get a penny from them. Sick
Does he know anyone else that got hit too? Have them all send emails..

Is it wishful thinking that perhaps the magazines will finally stop running these ads?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on December 08, 2016, 12:25:03 PM
Does he know anyone else that got hit too? Have them all send emails..

Is it wishful thinking that perhaps the magazines will finally stop running these ads?
Dan allways said that he will make a post only if he has facts
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on December 08, 2016, 12:25:07 PM
Is it wishful thinking ?
Sounds about right
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lubaby on December 08, 2016, 12:35:13 PM
Sounds about right
How about the AP picking it up?

I'm not well versed in Halacha or have any knowledge into the intricacies of the matter, but, are people (sadly) worried about pointing fingers or naming names under fear of Mesirah C"V? I'm sure there's the embarrassment aspect of going public too, but this is crazy.

"Hey guys, I got royally financially screwed, but am not willing to do anything 'real' about it since the other guy is Jewish."
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on December 08, 2016, 12:46:38 PM
How about the AP picking it up?

I'm not well versed in Halacha or have any knowledge into the intricacies of the matter, but, are people (sadly) worried about pointing fingers or naming names under fear of Mesirah C"V? I'm sure there's the embarrassment aspect of going public too, but this is crazy.

"Hey guys, I got royally financially screwed, but am not willing to do anything 'real' about it since the other guy is Jewish."
We don't even have someone ready to give Dan a full first hand story. What dues this hand yi do with mesirah?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: lubaby on December 08, 2016, 12:49:14 PM
We don't even have someone ready to give Dan a full first hand story. What dues this hand yi do with mesirah?
Jews are always worried about that when it comes to putting another Jew in a bad light.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on December 08, 2016, 12:51:43 PM
Jews are always worried about that when it comes to putting another Jew in a bad light.
Here we are putting them in the good light
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on December 08, 2016, 01:00:48 PM
I'm not well versed in Halacha or have any knowledge into the intricacies of the matter, but, are people (sadly) worried about pointing fingers or naming names under fear of Mesirah C"V? I'm sure there's the embarrassment aspect of going public too, but this is crazy.

"Hey guys, I got royally financially screwed, but am not willing to do anything 'real' about it since the other guy is Jewish."

If these people are still in business they might have the financial equivalent Rodeif.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: emjee on December 08, 2016, 01:01:15 PM
someone i know just got BURNT. He said it was a guy from deal. accounts under FR and didnt even get a penny from them. Sick
So he got screwed and is up a a creak or he just didn't make money . Very two different situations.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on December 08, 2016, 01:05:15 PM
If these people are still in business they might have the financial equivalent Rodeif.
Of course they're still in business. I recently saw advertised somebody opened a storefront, he offers different "plans". He could help you make the most of your points or take care of everything & give you the check.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on December 08, 2016, 07:45:40 PM
someone i know just got BURNT. He said it was a guy from deal. accounts under FR and didnt even get a penny from them. Sick
If it is a guy from Deal then you have the wrong thread. This is about hte ones from Lakewood.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: LoLo on December 09, 2016, 12:06:31 AM
How about the AP picking it up?
The people falling for this trust a heimish sounding name more than any news outlet.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Cheesecake on December 09, 2016, 01:54:50 AM
It's shady on both ends, so I wouldn't expect someone to report it, because he would incriminate himself.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yochiek93 on December 09, 2016, 02:44:13 AM
It's shady on both ends, so I wouldn't expect someone to report it, because he would incriminate himself.
Incriminate himself?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Cheesecake on December 09, 2016, 07:10:24 AM
Incriminate himself?
Admit that he knowingly got involved in a scam to make a few bucks.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 10, 2016, 06:33:58 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161210/1c94c0325bbf473c6c8a6b1662b1f4cc.jpg)
Full page ad in this week's Ami.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: joeb1 on December 10, 2016, 06:56:19 PM
I'm don't think this guy is the same story as Lakewood guys
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on December 10, 2016, 07:07:41 PM
I'm don't think this guy is the same story as Lakewood guys
The "easy gelt" plan sure sounds the same.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Redbull3 on December 10, 2016, 07:08:14 PM
If it is a guy from Deal then you have the wrong thread. This is about hte ones from Lakewood.
I'm don't think this guy is the same story as Lakewood guys
I don't see the need for separate threads for each...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on December 10, 2016, 07:08:45 PM
gelt = money?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Redbull3 on December 10, 2016, 07:09:15 PM
gelt = money?
Yep.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: rileywiles23 on December 10, 2016, 08:14:49 PM
I'm don't think this guy is the same story as Lakewood guys
Pray tell me the difference?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on December 10, 2016, 08:17:09 PM
Pray tell me the difference?
If he's not totally screwing people over that would make him different, that doesn't mean I'm condoning it but it would be different.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on December 10, 2016, 09:45:00 PM
If he's not totally screwing people over that would make him different, that doesn't mean I'm condoning it but it would be different.

I'm not sure the first guy started off totally screwing people over, shady businesses are a slippery slope.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: eli232 on December 10, 2016, 10:06:40 PM
I'm not sure the first guy started off totally screwing people over, shady businesses are a slippery slope.
True, but there are reliable people out there, i recently did it with a guy (not this one) and he did pay me full amount
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on December 11, 2016, 12:49:45 AM
True, but there are reliable people out there, i recently did it with a guy (not this one) and he did pay me full amount
I am sure that this can be said about all of them. When all goes perfectly smoothly and ask cards get approved etc. They will all pay. The issue is that when there are bumps the one they are applying for can have serious problems and not get paid not get help from the ones who need them up. Even when it goes smoothly there can be future repercussions.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Drago on December 11, 2016, 07:58:42 AM
Full page ad in this week's Ami.
That's a great public service they're doing, giving CC advice.
Do they charge some kind of flat fee?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sport on December 11, 2016, 09:55:53 AM
That's a great public service they're doing, giving CC advice.
Do they charge some kind of flat fee?
As long as they advise with their client's best interest in mind.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:16:38 AM
Heh. I know the guy running this. This isn't something hidden. It's a front office.

One of the very few guys to make it extremely successful off of the miles business other than Dan.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:16:58 AM
As long as they advise with their client's best interest in mind.

Like every salesperson....
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:18:09 AM
If he's not totally screwing people over that would make him different, that doesn't mean I'm condoning it but it would be different.

This guy has a big business with over a dozen employees. Not some shady stuff.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on December 11, 2016, 10:19:34 AM
This guy has a big business with over a dozen employees. Not some shady stuff.
Big doesn't mean not shady. And having an address makes no difference.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:22:06 AM
Big doesn't mean not shady. And having an address makes no difference.

It's a travel agency based on the points business. I have never heard of anybody screwed over by him. I've done numerous transactions with prompt payment. As in same day. Not some fly-by-night.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on December 11, 2016, 10:23:37 AM
It's a travel agency based on the points business. I have never heard of anybody screwed over by him. I've done numerous transactions with prompt payment. As in same day. Not some fly-by-night.
They question isn't how they handle the day to day business. Its what happens when the occasional deal goes south.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Sport on December 11, 2016, 10:23:59 AM
Like every salesperson....
Depends what you're advertising for sale.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:26:54 AM
They question isn't how they handle the day to day business. Its what happens when the occasional deal goes south.

He's been around for a good few years and I've yet to hear a stifle bad word.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2016, 10:34:53 AM
Heh. I know the guy running this. This isn't something hidden. It's a front office.

One of the very few guys to make it extremely successful off of the miles business other than Dan.
You're saying it's one guy doing all of these farms? What makes you say that?

Besides, seems like plenty of mileage brokers/travel agents have built nice businesses.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: thaber on December 11, 2016, 10:36:42 AM
It's a travel agency based on the points business. I have never heard of anybody screwed over by him. I've done numerous transactions with prompt payment. As in same day. Not some fly-by-night.
One second - is this guy selling tickets booked with miles? Or is he signing up for credit cards on your behalf and giving you a little cash? This thread is about the latter.
Big and established is worthless.  Guy across the hall from my office had 60 employees in 2012 and had been open for a few years,  selling refis to little old ladies.  Apparently he wasn't actually refinancing,  and a team from Washington closed him down in under 5 minutes after they walked in the door.  Just like in the movies.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2016, 10:38:02 AM
One second - is this guy selling tickets booked with miles? Or is he signing up for credit cards on your behalf and giving you a little cash? This thread is about the latter.
Makes sense to be on both sides of the transaction.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:44:57 AM
You're saying it's one guy doing all of these farms? What makes you say that?

Besides, seems like plenty of mileage brokers/travel agents have built nice businesses.

I never said that. This guy never had any of the farms AFAIK.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:47:02 AM
I don't think I ever vouched for someone. I can vouch for him.

You know many brokers who come back to you if an account goes bad. Right? As far as I can remember, he always took the loss.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on December 11, 2016, 10:48:03 AM
I never said that. This guy never had any of the farms AFAIK.
Then why did you post in this thread??
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Emkay on December 11, 2016, 10:48:06 AM
I never said that. This guy never had any of the farms AFAIK.
Then your not talking about what everyone else is.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 10:50:05 AM
Then why did you post in this thread??

Because this ad makes it seem like he's looking to go into something similar. I have never asked him yet though.

What I was saying is that this guy has never screwed someone over and don't assume bad intentions or bad outcomes.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yakov116 on December 11, 2016, 10:58:00 AM
Because this ad makes it seem like he's looking to go into something similar. I have never asked him yet though.

What I was saying is that this guy has never screwed someone over and don't assume bad intentions or bad outcomes.
Not mixing in but you can get into hot water sticking up for anyone in this thread
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on December 11, 2016, 11:49:12 AM
Makes sense to be on both sides of the transaction.

Definitely, cut out the middleman. But if you're more honest than your middleman you might be taking losses he doesn't...

What I was saying is that this guy has never screwed someone over and don't assume bad intentions or bad outcomes.

To your [limited] knowledge. לא ראיתי אינה ראיה.

Is he a Belzer last name starts with an L?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: skyguy918 on December 11, 2016, 11:49:30 AM
Because this ad makes it seem like he's looking to go into something similar. I have never asked him yet though.

What I was saying is that this guy has never screwed someone over and don't assume bad intentions or bad outcomes.
You should probably clarify that you're talking specifically about the ad with the storefront in BP, CMIIW.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 12:02:28 PM
Definitely, cut out the middleman. But if you're more honest than your middleman you might be taking losses he doesn't...

To your [limited] knowledge. לא ראיתי אינה ראיה.

Is he a Belzer last name starts with an L?

No
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 12:04:10 PM
You should probably clarify that you're talking specifically about the ad with the storefront in BP, CMIIW.

This is a discussion that started with that.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: JTZ on December 11, 2016, 12:34:21 PM
I don't think I ever vouched for someone. I can vouch for him.
What do you mean vouch for him? Will back any losses someone incurs dealing with him?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: churnbabychurn on December 11, 2016, 12:43:02 PM
Heh. I know the guy running this. This isn't something hidden. It's a front office.

One of the very few guys to make it extremely successful off of the miles business other than Dan.
I'd love to see his contract/t&c that he provides to his customers. If he is as honest as you make it sound, he should be disclosing all risks involved AND clearly delineating who is assuming these risks, and who is responsible if things go not as planned.

There is actually a way to run a farm honestly, it's just that non of them are.
 (I mean from the perspective of their relationship with a customer. - even a drug dealer can be honest. Not that the business is actually legitimate).
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 01:51:10 PM
What do you mean vouch for him? Will back any losses someone incurs dealing with him?

Ever cared of people's recommendations on here about who to stay away from and who to trust?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Baruch on December 11, 2016, 02:08:51 PM
@Moshe123, I'm confused are you vouching for the guy that advertised in AMI?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: skyguy918 on December 11, 2016, 02:15:42 PM
This is a discussion that started with that.
@Moshe123, I'm confused are you vouching for the guy that advertised in AMI?
It was definitely not clear to some commenters, so I suggested that you state it clearly.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on December 11, 2016, 02:34:53 PM
@Moshe123, I'm confused are you vouching for the guy that advertised in AMI?

Yes. Though, this is a new thing for him and the experiences I know are from other parts of his business.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 07:58:12 PM
Ok I'm new to this and seem s I fall under this thread perfectly
I signed up 3 months ago and he successfully got me 5 cards
He used the cards got the points and closed them the 5th is still open not touched even information was sent over now fast forward three months no check in the mail phone calls and emails have not been answered now I received a statement in the mail for the last card
Does anyone know him @moshe123 maybe get him to contact me and take care of it
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on February 27, 2017, 08:00:03 PM
Ok I'm new to this and seem s I fall under this thread perfectly
I signed up 3 months ago and he successfully got me 5 cards
He used the cards got the points and closed them the 5th is still open not touched even information was sent over now fast forward three months no check in the mail phone calls and emails have not been answered now I received a statement in the mail for the last card
Does anyone know him @moshe123 maybe get him to contact me and take care of it

Miles Gelt? I can send you a contact number.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on February 27, 2017, 08:08:36 PM
Ok I'm new to this and seem s I fall under this thread perfectly
I signed up 3 months ago and he successfully got me 5 cards
He used the cards got the points and closed them the 5th is still open not touched even information was sent over now fast forward three months no check in the mail phone calls and emails have not been answered now I received a statement in the mail for the last card
Does anyone know him @moshe123 maybe get him to contact me and take care of it
Which company?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:20:29 PM
Which company?

i dont know all i have is an email privatecard1@gmail.com
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:21:34 PM
Miles Gelt? I can send you a contact number.

dont know what you mean but they promised me gelt

thank you for the contact
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Moshe123 on February 27, 2017, 08:23:15 PM
i dont know all i have is an email privatecard1@gmail.com

So it doesn't seem like the company that I was talking about. I have no contact for them.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:28:14 PM
So it doesn't seem like the company that I was talking about. I have no contact for them.

do u think this is a scam i seen them advertise everywhere
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on February 27, 2017, 08:28:44 PM
i dont know all i have is an email privatecard1@gmail.com
Where did you see them advertise?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:30:10 PM
Where did you see them advertise?

kol haloam
in the local papers
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on February 27, 2017, 08:34:04 PM
kol haloam
in the local papers
Can't recall the email address would need to see a picture of the add.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:43:19 PM
Can't recall the email address would need to see a picture of the add.

here is the link for the first one then they put it out again on november
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple.html
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on February 27, 2017, 08:48:20 PM
here is the link for the first one then they put it out again on november
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/428082/earn-up-to-3300-per-couple.html
Ready to speak to Dan and put an end to this garbage?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:49:29 PM
Ready to speak to Dan and put an end to this garbage?

how do i get in contact with him
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on February 27, 2017, 08:50:51 PM
how do i get in contact with him
Dan we have one. My guess is he will pm or email you once he sees you here.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on February 27, 2017, 08:51:28 PM
how do i get in contact with him
Email ? Although he'll probably see this
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 08:55:20 PM
Dan we have one. My guess is he will pm or email you once he sees you here.

am i missing something here
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on February 27, 2017, 08:56:12 PM
am i missing something here
Not sure. I was saying that he will probably reach out to you.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on February 27, 2017, 09:01:35 PM
am i missing something here
Have you been following this thread ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 09:03:26 PM
Have you been following this thread ?

yes and sort of but didnt look until now
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: chinagel on February 27, 2017, 10:27:14 PM
email dan@dansdeals.com
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on February 27, 2017, 10:57:57 PM
yes and sort of but didnt look until now
OK. Send a clear email stating exactly what happened to Dan at the email provided above. Be clear about what happened, because the post you wrote before is a little confusing.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mutty91 on February 27, 2017, 11:05:34 PM
OK. Send a clear email stating exactly what happened to Dan at the email provided above. Be clear about what happened, because the post you wrote before is a little confusing.

 i sent over the information to him

thank you all for your help with this i hope something will come out of this
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: AsherO on February 27, 2017, 11:10:27 PM
i dont know all i have is an email privatecard1@gmail.com

All you have is an email address and you send your personal information (SSN and who knows what else)?...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on February 27, 2017, 11:12:11 PM
All you have is an email address and you send your personal information (SSN and who knows what else)?...
Many simply do not understand the risks and trust it because it is someone heimish
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yammer on February 28, 2017, 04:39:34 AM
All you have is an email address and you send your personal information (SSN and who knows what else)?...
I had a discussion with a salesman earlier today about that. His model of sales needs certain information from his clients that I believe would never fly outside the heimishe crowd. There's a strong level of trust, especially if he heard from friends and family that did it.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mendy from lakewood on March 02, 2017, 09:12:17 AM
Ok I'm new to this and seem s I fall under this thread perfectly
I signed up 3 months ago and he successfully got me 5 cards
He used the cards got the points and closed them the 5th is still open not touched even information was sent over now fast forward three months no check in the mail phone calls and emails have not been answered now I received a statement in the mail for the last card
Does anyone know him @moshe123 maybe get him to contact me and take care of it
any update?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Mordyk on March 02, 2017, 11:16:30 AM
Anyone wanna reach out to these people and give a piece of their mind?  These ads are so deceiving.... they have phone numbers
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on March 02, 2017, 11:20:22 AM
What do you want to find out?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on March 02, 2017, 11:21:54 AM
They do refundables no big deal
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Saulius on March 02, 2017, 03:42:34 PM
They do refundables no big deal

I know somebody who bought an AA account from one of those people in Lakewood that offer people $$$.
He paid around $4,000 for the AA account, plus over $1,000 for the taxes on the ticket (so the tax is paid
on the account holder's credit card). The seller lied to him that the AA miles account is crystal clear with no shtick.
Few months late the account was closed down, and it came to light that the account was built with refundable spend.
This Lakewood ganev refused to refund the money and even the taxes that were refunded to the account holder's
credit card. The account holder is a rebbe in Lakewood cheder, and he was paid a few thousand for giving his SS#.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on March 02, 2017, 03:47:01 PM
Those companies above are not from Lakewood
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Yhgfkj on March 02, 2017, 04:32:07 PM
Anyone wanna reach out to these people and give a piece of their mind?  These ads are so deceiving.... they have phone numbers
I like the  ONE exclusive offer   ** per household
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: BP16 on March 02, 2017, 06:36:28 PM
I like the  ONE exclusive offer   ** per household
And the one offer is 4 Amex cards ::)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2017, 11:26:28 PM
Thoughts?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/108754
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: grodnoking on March 06, 2017, 11:28:53 PM
Finally
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on March 06, 2017, 11:29:49 PM
Last paragraph...add did you or someone you know ...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on March 06, 2017, 11:30:52 PM
Just wait for the storm of comments.........
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: username on March 06, 2017, 11:32:27 PM
Dan, Were you ever aproached to run an ad? If so you can make it personal explaining why you didnt run it. Otherwise one can wonder what your nigiya is. Just playing devils advocate.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on March 06, 2017, 11:34:46 PM
Great write up. Just not sure about the "lazy/greedy" part. Many falling for it are just desperate for the money.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2017, 11:39:26 PM
Great write up. Just not sure about the "lazy/greedy" part. Many falling for it are just desperate for the money.
Hence the following paragraph.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: semper fi on March 06, 2017, 11:43:08 PM
Thoughts?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/108754
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170307/ae3dd8f0645aeef034852cc07dc4e86b.jpg) A few years back ?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: as2 on March 06, 2017, 11:43:17 PM
Thoughts?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/108754
Date says March 6th 2016...welcome to the new year
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on March 06, 2017, 11:44:04 PM
Hence the following paragraph.
I saw that. A few people who have asked me about these farms don't even own a computer.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on March 06, 2017, 11:45:08 PM
Date says March 6th 2016...welcome to the new year
Thats how long he's been waiting :)
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: aygart on March 06, 2017, 11:45:20 PM
Date says March 6th 2016...welcome to the new year
He is waiting for feedback before making it fully public
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: as2 on March 06, 2017, 11:52:20 PM
Thats how long he's been waiting :)
What are the chances that March 6th just happened to have been on a Sunday last year?
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: TimT on March 06, 2017, 11:56:38 PM
What are the chances that March 6th just happened to have been on a Sunday last year?
about 100%
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: as2 on March 06, 2017, 11:57:20 PM
about 100%
Lol that wasn't what I meant
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Hershelsdeals on March 07, 2017, 12:16:18 AM
Thoughts?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/108754
Good to go, finally
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cholent on March 07, 2017, 12:18:06 AM
I still think the lazy/greedy line is a bit strong. It just isn't the accurate label for most people who have done this. They are desperate and/or na´ve, not generally lazy or greedy.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on March 07, 2017, 12:25:17 AM
I still think the lazy/greedy line is a bit strong. It just isn't the accurate label for most people who have done this. They are desperate and/or na´ve, not generally lazy or greedy.
Perhaps it's all 4?
Updated the post.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cholent on March 07, 2017, 12:33:07 AM
Perhaps it's all 4?
Updated the post.

Looks a lot better like this!
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on March 07, 2017, 12:33:21 AM
Lol at the DDF'er who's too scared to call me a hypocrite under his username. Easy to be a big guy when you're DDMS anonymous, isn't it?
I'll respond to the comment tomorrow when the post goes live unless you want to post it here :P
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on March 07, 2017, 12:34:07 AM
Looks a lot better like this!
Thanks for the help.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cholent on March 07, 2017, 12:35:03 AM
Lol at the DDF'er who's too scared to call me a hypocrite under his username. Easy to be a big guy when you're DDMS anonymous, isn't it?
I'll respond to the comment tomorrow when the post goes live unless you want to post it here :P

FYI, the link has already been posted on Whatsapp groups, so it might not actually be a DDF'er, FWIW
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yitrap on March 07, 2017, 12:36:31 AM
Maybe switch the order?

First compassion then critique...

Also it's already on a whatsapp group
 
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: Dan on March 07, 2017, 12:36:57 AM
FYI, the link has already been posted on Whatsapp groups, so it might not actually be a DDF'er, FWIW
I figured it was self-understood that the point of DDMS proofreads is to get it 100% right before it goes public.
Perhaps in the future I'll make these closed to a few people.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: mmgfarb on March 07, 2017, 12:38:24 AM
I figured it was self-understood that the point of DDMS proofreads is to get it 100% right before it goes public.
Perhaps in the future I'll make these closed to a few people.
I think this is the only one I've ever seen shared before it went public, probably because of the nature of the post.
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: yitrap on March 07, 2017, 12:38:49 AM
I figured it was self-understood that the point of DDMS proofreads is to get it 100% right before it goes public.
Perhaps in the future I'll make these closed to a few people.
I don't think it's public, group I saw it on has under 75 people on it...
Title: Re: PSA - Stay Away From The People In Lakewood Who Offer $5000 In One Month
Post by: cholent on March 07, 2017, 12:38:55 AM
I figured it was self-understood that the point of DDMS proofreads is to get it 100% right before it goes public.
Perhaps in the future I'll make these closed