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Title: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: KidOOO on September 30, 2014, 01:14:44 AM
Is this new? i don't remember it showing before

Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: D93 on September 30, 2014, 01:17:07 AM
Very interesting. Mind sharing the date?
Title: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 01:18:21 AM
They usually dont show.

ETA: Showing up on mobile now as well. This might be a good sign. Hopefully it isn't a one night or one day thing
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: KidOOO on September 30, 2014, 01:29:50 AM
Very interesting. Mind sharing the date?

Looks like lot's of dates in November and December
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 01:30:43 AM
Wow! But  :( down it goes with LOT availability.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: KidOOO on September 30, 2014, 01:32:08 AM
Wow! But  :( down it goes with LOT availability.

Like anything else that's easy
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 01:36:53 AM

Wow! But  :( down it goes with LOT availability.
+1
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Chapshnell on September 30, 2014, 09:00:16 AM
What does Dan mean by: "You are allowed to stay up to 24 hours as a connection, plus stay as long as you want as a stopover in addition to the destination you’re trying to reach on an award ticket"

I am not clear what this means, anyone mind clarifying?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Joe4007 on September 30, 2014, 09:03:33 AM
What does Dan mean by: "You are allowed to stay up to 24 hours as a connection, plus stay as long as you want as a stopover in addition to the destination you’re trying to reach on an award ticket"

I am not clear what this means, anyone mind clarifying?
He's explaining the difference between a connection and a stopover...

What don't you understand?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 09:16:41 AM
Trying to figure that out too. I know UA allows a free connection (which means under 24 hours) which is why it costs the same to fly JFK-WAW-TLV as it does to go direct JFK-TLV. (Obviously you think why on the world should it cost more to have to take a stop, but technically you are flying to a new place so you have to think of it as a nice thing that the connection is free. But anyway...) where does the stopover come into play? Can you take a stopover on each direction or only once per trip?

Ie can you do this?
JFK-WAW-ZRH-TLV and
TLV-WAW-ATH-JFK
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: AJK on September 30, 2014, 09:29:32 AM
You're allowed one stopover on a round trip award, and two open jaws (as UA awards are bookable as one ways).

So, you can stay in WAW for 23:59 as a connection, or use up your stopover and stay for days/weeks/months.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 09:43:15 AM
You're allowed one stopover on a round trip award, and two open jaws (as UA awards are bookable as one ways).

So, you can stay in WAW for 23:59 as a connection, or use up your stopover and stay for days/weeks/months.
1) The 2 OJs are TLV at one end and JFK at the other?

2) Gotcha. But can you do WAW as a connection and then also go a new city as a stopover?
JFK-WAW(connection)-ZRH(stopover)-TLV-WAW-JFK?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 09:46:34 AM
1) The 2 OJs are TLV at one end and JFK at the other?

2) Gotcha. But can you do WAW as a connection and then also go a new city as a stopover?
JFK-WAW(connection)-ZRH(stopover)-TLV-WAW-JFK?

1)No a open jaw is flying into one city leaving from another, i.e., JFK-LHR(Stopover)-CDG(Open jaw) return FRA-JFK. It is kind of like two one way tickets (to/from different cities) to book them together so you can have a stopover
2) Yes, that would work.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
Im not holding my breath .... They were displaying SN for a short while as well and now they aren't. Might just be some kind of glitch.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 10:00:55 AM
1)No a open jaw is flying into one city leaving from another, i.e., JFK-LHR(Stopover)-CDG(Open jaw) return FRA-JFK. It is kind of like two one way tickets (to/from different cities) to book them together so you can have a stopover
2) Yes, that would work.
Thank you. I follow now. But how can you do 2 OJs? (Forget the stopover for a second.) JFK-CDG (OJ) FRA-JFK. Where does the second OJ come in? (I understand AJK said book it as 2 OWs, but I still don't see how you could use 2 OJs.)
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 10:04:16 AM

Thank you. I follow now. But how can you do 2 OJs? (Forget the stopover for a second.) JFK-CDG (OJ) FRA-JFK. Where does the second OJ come in? (I understand AJK said book it as 2 OWs, but I still don't see how you could use 2 OJs.)

JFK-CDG then FRA-EWR.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 10:06:17 AM
JFK-CDG then FRA-EWR.
That's not using 2 OJs, that's just booking 2 OW tickets to/from different cities...
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: myb821 on September 30, 2014, 10:06:58 AM
JFK-CDG then FRA-EWR.
or if u want to include a stop over JFK-CDG (open jaw) FRA-EWR (stop  over) EWR-LAX
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 10:11:46 AM

That's not using 2 OJs, that's just booking 2 OW tickets to/from different cities...

Yea but if you book to one way tickets you wont get the free stopover. Book them together and you have two open jaws and now you can make a stopover.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: AJK on September 30, 2014, 10:17:54 AM
That's not using 2 OJs, that's just booking 2 OW tickets to/from different cities...

-1

Yea but if you book to one way tickets you wont get the free stopover. Book them together and you have two open jaws and now you can make a stopover.

+1
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: HolyNyc on September 30, 2014, 10:23:24 AM
http://bit.ly/18Ne7Qg
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 10:24:53 AM

http://bit.ly/18Ne7Qg
asking us is better and easier. Plus we get to up our post count. ;)
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: HolyNyc on September 30, 2014, 10:28:49 AM
asking us is better and easier. Plus we get to up our post count. ;)
why will that help anyone  ::)
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 10:42:50 AM
or if u want to include a stop over JFK-CDG (open jaw) FRA-EWR (stop  over) EWR-LAX
Now I get it. So I can see this being fun, but not necessarily how it helps financially unless your goal was to start in JFK and end in LAX. Now you have to get your own ride from CDG-FRA and LAX-JFK.
http://bit.ly/18Ne7Qg
Google would never have explained it to me as well as the guys here. I know what an OJ is. I couldn't picture how to get all those benefits one RT because I couldn't see how the trip could end anywhere but where you started. I would barely even call the above scenario a RT.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: HolyNyc on September 30, 2014, 10:51:03 AM
Is ewr-tlv-zrh & fra-jfk or ord allowed on 1 award?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on September 30, 2014, 10:53:09 AM

Is ewr-tlv-zrh & fra-jfk or ord allowed on 1 award?

If all on one award yes.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 11:19:42 AM
Last Q - does this only work when paying with UA miles or will it work if using partner miles?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 12:01:28 PM
Last Q - does this only work when paying with UA miles or will it work if using partner miles?
Each mileage program has its own unique rules.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Chapshnell on September 30, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
OK, tried reading these responses but its not going into my head...

If I am booking:

JFK-WAW-TLV with LOT is 80,000 UA miles. The stop over is 8-10 hours or so... That is easy & simple...

What means a stopover? More than 24 hours? If yes then how can you get that for 80,000 as well?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: AJK on September 30, 2014, 12:26:23 PM
On international awards, most airlines view any stop of up to 23:59 a "connection," while any stop 24:00 or longer is a "stopover."

On round-trip awards, UA allows a stopover.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
OK, tried reading these responses but its not going into my head...

If I am booking:

JFK-WAW-TLV with LOT is 80,000 UA miles. The stop over is 8-10 hours or so... That is easy & simple...

What means a stopover? More than 24 hours? If yes then how can you get that for 80,000 as well?
You can't. It has to be a RT.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Chapshnell on September 30, 2014, 12:29:39 PM
Ok, now I am starting to understand... Just to verify....

If I book a RT mileage ticket for example:

JFK-WAW-TLV
TLV-WAW-JFK

I can stay in Warsaw (both ways?) for 24:00+?

Does it need to be called in or its doable on united.com?

Please clarify
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: AJK on September 30, 2014, 12:35:27 PM
Sheesh.

A round trip entitles you to ONE stopover, i.e. one stay over 24 hours in addition to your destination.

No, not two, not three... ONE.

Eg: JFK-WAW(stop)-TLV(dest)-WAW-JFK.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Chapshnell on September 30, 2014, 12:37:37 PM
Ok, thanks for clarifying.. And the stop can be taken on either the outgoing or return.. correct?
What about the booking process? Available to do on united.com or only via phone?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: AJK on September 30, 2014, 12:38:57 PM
Yes.

Can be done on either; but if it's complicated, you'll have to PUTPAC.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Chapshnell on September 30, 2014, 12:52:31 PM
Thanks AJK, I tried it out.. indeed pricing out at 160,000 in business.. Thanks
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Drago on September 30, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
Don't forget that you're not limited to doing the stopover in Warsaw. Assuming the tickets are available, you can do the stopover elsewhere in Europe, N. America, and possibly other areas as well if you can get them to price it out.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: AJK on September 30, 2014, 01:03:22 PM
Thanks AJK, I tried it out.. indeed pricing out at 160,000 in business.. Thanks

Nice redemption!
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 01:06:21 PM
Nice redemption!
I hate these redemption's. You get to sit on the EX-europe/TLV flight in couch.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 01:07:10 PM
Thanks AJK, I tried it out.. indeed pricing out at 160,000 in business.. Thanks
Nice connection on the return, juts 1.5 hours. Much better than the routes on DDMS (although obviously he was trying to show LOT avail.)

Don't forget that you're not limited to doing the stopover in Warsaw. Assuming the tickets are available, you can do the stopover elsewhere in Europe, N. America, and possibly other areas as well if you can get them to price it out.
Can your stop be completely out of the way? Hypothetically...
JFK-WAW(connection)-ORD(stopover)-TLV-WAW-JFK?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 01:07:47 PM
Nice connection on the return, juts 1.5 hours. Much better than the routes on DDMS (although obviously he was trying to show LOT avail.)
Can your stop be completely out of the way? Hypothetically...
JFK-WAW(connection)-ORD(stopover)-TLV-WAW-JFK?
No.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on September 30, 2014, 01:08:31 PM
No.
Where do they draw the line?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Chapshnell on September 30, 2014, 01:27:49 PM
Ha, I didnt book the trip.. Just testing it out for when I really want to fly.. Thanks for your patience
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 01:31:08 PM
Where do they draw the line?
Has to be the same region. Otherwise it might be more expensive. Some regions like Hawaii will still be a good deal.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: jaywhy on September 30, 2014, 01:36:00 PM
Has to be the same region. Otherwise it might be more expensive. Some regions like Hawaii will still be a good deal.
-1. United OJ rules are very murky but they are definitely not region restricted.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 01:49:46 PM
-1. United OJ rules are very murky but they are definitely not region restricted.
I was talking about stopovers.

That you can't do JFK-WAW-ORD-TLV-WAW-JFK.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Yaalili on September 30, 2014, 01:51:27 PM
I was talking about stopovers.

That you can't do JFK-WAW-ORD-TLV-WAW-JFK.

Uhh seriously?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Uhh seriously?
I was just answering him

Can your stop be completely out of the way? Hypothetically...
JFK-WAW(connection)-ORD(stopover)-TLV-WAW-JFK?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: itsyehuda on October 02, 2014, 09:30:55 PM
You can "stop" in JFK for a few months and then "continue" your trip to, say, LAX.

Tacking on a free one way like that is a great way to maximize the value of your miles, especially if you don't need the stopover for the main trip.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on October 03, 2014, 12:04:16 AM
Has to be the same region. Otherwise it might be more expensive. Some regions like Hawaii will still be a good deal.
Thanks. What do you mean about HI? Example?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on October 03, 2014, 12:08:03 AM
Thanks. What do you mean about HI? Example?
NYC-TLV-NYC-OGG would be just a few thousand miles more than NYC-TLV-NYC.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: @Yehuda on October 03, 2014, 12:09:26 AM
NYC-TLV-NYC-OGG would be just a few thousand miles more than NYC-TLV-NYC.
Ah, okay. Connecting to OGG at the end, not in the middle. Got it. Thanks for explaining.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ganizzy on October 03, 2014, 01:19:36 AM
What about Europe to lax (stop over. But there was a connection in jfk) to jfk dest.
Do they allow that on a RT?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: chucksterace on October 03, 2014, 01:31:24 AM

What about Europe to lax (stop over. But there was a connection in jfk) to jfk dest.
Do they allow that on a RT?

find a good rep and wont be an issue. I did before TLV-EWR-ORD > ORD-LAX-EWR-TLV. wasn't a stopover, only a connection.
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: Drago on October 03, 2014, 06:57:26 AM
I did
TLV - CLE
CLE - TLV
TLV - BKK a few months later
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: D93 on October 03, 2014, 07:19:57 AM
I did
TLV - CLE
CLE - TLV
TLV - BKK a few months later
did you book the TLV - BKK at the time you booked the rest of your ticket, or after you were back in TLV you add that leg?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: HolyNyc on October 05, 2014, 05:16:38 AM
did you book the TLV - BKK at the time you booked the rest of your ticket, or after you were back in TLV you add that leg?
I'm 99% sure that it was booked together
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: D93 on October 05, 2014, 12:02:27 PM
I'm 99% sure that it was booked together
if it's not booked together. Are you able to add it on later (after your back at your origin)?
Title: Re: LOT award flight showing on United.com
Post by: ilherman on October 05, 2014, 01:37:12 PM
if it's not booked together. Are you able to add it on later (after your back at your origin)?
Almost sure he booked it together. Once you're back the trip is completed.