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Title: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 25, 2014, 10:37:54 AM
Add them to the Wiki :)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on November 25, 2014, 10:39:26 AM
Add them to the Wiki :)
Fist start a wiki, then add :)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: bubble347 on November 25, 2014, 10:45:27 AM
It would be cool if someone can put together a wiki of the coolest fifth freedom routes out there perhaps sorted by nicest cabins/shortest/cheapest routes. A nice example would be Manchester to Munich on SQ's 777.
Thanks Dan
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on November 25, 2014, 10:48:13 AM
EY anyone?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chucksterace on November 25, 2014, 10:57:32 AM
Anyone want to add these to the wiki http://travelcodex.com/2012/12/taking-advantage-of-fifth-freedom-flights/
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on December 28, 2014, 01:19:51 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/58739
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 01:57:35 AM
Wiki says SQ has LAX-FRA. Is this true?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on February 02, 2015, 03:01:46 AM
SQ flies from bcn to Sao Paulo.

Sorry Can't edit the wiki from taptalk
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on February 02, 2015, 03:03:33 AM
Wiki says SQ has LAX-FRA. Is this true?
It's a mistake it should be JFK FRA.
Another interesting one is Korean air
Vie ZRH
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on February 02, 2015, 03:09:34 AM
Qatar airways
Kuala Lumpur to phuket
BUD to Zagreb
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 09:08:15 AM
Added a lot of BA
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 09:14:36 AM
Qatar airways
Kuala Lumpur to phuket
Doesn't show up on ITA.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on February 02, 2015, 09:14:48 AM
Are 5th Freedom flights cheaper than other airlines that fly the same route? Is that the chap?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 09:17:37 AM
Not necessarily.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on February 02, 2015, 09:19:28 AM
So what's so special?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on February 02, 2015, 09:19:28 AM
Added a lot of BA
The south Africa are not 5th Freedom, as they are a different airline under the BA livery
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 09:21:26 AM
They're bookable with Avios as BA flights.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on February 02, 2015, 09:23:23 AM
A few notes to the wiki
QF is not "5th freedom", same as UA SYD-MEL
9W doesn't fly out of JFK anymore
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on February 02, 2015, 10:35:24 AM
So what's so special?
They're cool :)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Marco Polo on February 02, 2015, 10:53:03 AM
So what's so special?
Potential to fly an airline not between it's home city.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on February 02, 2015, 11:05:02 AM
Potential to fly an airline not between it's home city.
They're cool :)
Just for kicks? Just to say you did it?
#toeachtheirown
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 02, 2015, 11:19:23 AM
Just for kicks? Just to say you did it?
#toeachtheirown

The ability to try out different things that may otherwise not be possible, such as flying in a suite without going halfway around the world.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: miles lover on February 02, 2015, 11:23:38 AM
Just for kicks? Just to say you did it?
#toeachtheirown
That too. But it really comes into play when there is a luxurious airline flying on a route that otherwise you wouldn't be able to get. Say jfk to Vancouver either you can spend the same many points on some crap american airline or u can get pajamas with cx
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: elya on February 02, 2015, 11:46:38 AM
That too. But it really comes into play when there is a luxurious airline flying on a route that otherwise you wouldn't be able to get. Say jfk to Vancouver either you can spend the same many points on some crap american airline or u can get pajamas with cx
I have a few extra lh f pjs if your really desperate.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 12:57:03 PM
Just for kicks? Just to say you did it?
#toeachtheirown
Since Dubai changed policies allowing to carry rocket propelled grenades in the airport, some people are afraid to fly into DXB.
But they can still try EK's on board shower by flying HKG-BKK on the A380.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 12:58:20 PM
I have a few extra lh f pjs if your really desperate.
Doesn't come close to CX's PJs.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: shimino1 on February 02, 2015, 02:33:08 PM
I have a few extra lh f pjs if your really desperate.
Ill gladly take them.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on February 02, 2015, 03:10:17 PM
Doesn't come close to CX's PJs.
My favorite. They feel like silk.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on February 02, 2015, 03:12:56 PM
My favorite. They feel like silk.
Yep, I use them @ home.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 02, 2015, 03:36:15 PM
QF has flight 9 LHR-DXB
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on February 23, 2015, 12:12:52 AM
Where can I check for QF availability JFK-LAX? Will it show up as available if I only search JFK-LAX on BA if it is available?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Ez on February 23, 2015, 12:33:20 AM
Where can I check for QF availability JFK-LAX? Will it show up as available if I only search JFK-LAX on BA if it is available?
If you can't book that flight, how can BA show it as available?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on February 23, 2015, 12:56:36 AM
If you can't book that flight, how can BA show it as available?
I guess with some hacking it should be bookable. My question is how can I see availability? Is availability as brutal as LAX-MLE?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Ez on February 23, 2015, 01:10:12 AM
I guess with some hacking it should be bookable. My question is how can I see availability? Is availability as brutal as LAX-MLE?
My guess would be that more seats are available, as many people only board at LAX, but I doubt it has different availability then it's following flight LAX-MEL, CMIIW.

Also FYI, from what I know, it's a aircraft change to a smaller plane.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: mmm740 on February 23, 2015, 05:13:54 AM
Where can I check for QF availability JFK-LAX? Will it show up as available if I only search JFK-LAX on BA if it is available?
Expertflyer
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: mmm740 on February 23, 2015, 05:24:21 AM
My guess would be that more seats are available, as many people only board at LAX, but I doubt it has different availability then it's following flight LAX-MEL, CMIIW.

Also FYI, from what I know, it's a aircraft change to a smaller plane.
Availability is a bit better.
They fly the 747 without F, I believe its the plane that comes from BNE.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on February 23, 2015, 07:06:43 AM
I guess with some hacking it should be bookable. My question is how can I see availability? Is availability as brutal as LAX-MLE?

Pretty sure that even if you book it you wont be able to book without evidence of either having arrived from Oz on a QF flight or are departing on one. A refundable ticket might do the job
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 23, 2015, 09:15:34 AM
My guess would be that more seats are available, as many people only board at LAX, but I doubt it has different availability then it's following flight LAX-MEL, CMIIW.

Also FYI, from what I know, it's a aircraft change to a smaller plane.
-.5 it's not a klal, this plane brings people to LAX but these people continue to three different Australian airports,so in  most cases these flights are packed, I've heard several times that it's was almost empty, but whenever I flew there was barely any empty seats
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 23, 2015, 09:18:44 AM
-.5 it's not a klal, this plane brings people to LAX but these people continue to three different Australian airports,so in  most cases these flights are packed, I've heard several times that it's was almost empty, but whenever I flew there was barely any empty seats
I flew it before and got a full row of 4 seats to myself!(I wasn't the only one with a full row to myself.)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 23, 2015, 09:22:26 AM
I said that, usually is the LAX-NYC and not the LAX-NYC with the empty flights, but I never had such a thing from my 4 flights
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 23, 2015, 10:01:22 AM
Is it difficult or even possible to book LHR to DXB with Qantas in R?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 23, 2015, 10:06:12 AM
They offer Premium Economy on that flight IIRC.
Only?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 23, 2015, 10:07:17 AM
Only?
I am not sure I understood your question. They have 4 classes on the plane that goes LHR-DXB.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 23, 2015, 10:08:16 AM
I am not sure I understood your question. They have 4 classes on the plane that goes LHR-DXB.
I asked if it's possible to book first class suites
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 23, 2015, 10:10:23 AM
I asked if it's possible to book first class suites
Why not? I am booked on a flight the opposite way DXB-LHR in 2 months time.
It's very hard to find the availability.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 23, 2015, 10:11:48 AM
Why not? I am booked on a flight the opposite way DXB-LHR in 2 months time.
It's very hard to find the availability.
Qantas in F?
How didyou book and with which points?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 23, 2015, 10:15:41 AM
Qantas in F?
How didyou book and with which points?
MEL-DXB-LHR  80k AA + $130
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 23, 2015, 10:17:01 AM
MEL-DXB-LHR  80k AA + $130
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 23, 2015, 10:19:07 AM

you're looking for a ticket now?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 23, 2015, 10:20:15 AM
you're looking for a ticket now?
No I'm not at a computer at the moment , I'm just planning my summer vacation while I Drive to work
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: nobiggy on February 23, 2015, 10:22:05 AM
No I'm not at a computer at the moment , I'm just planning my summer vacation while I Drive to work
:) :)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on March 02, 2015, 12:43:42 AM
Any update on TAM JFK-YYZ?
Has anyone been successful booking with Avios? 
Additionally,  would I refer to AA award chart for availability?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: jaywhy on March 02, 2015, 12:51:58 AM
Any update on TAM JFK-YYZ?
Has anyone been successful booking with Avios? 
Additionally,  would I refer to AA award chart for availability?
Yes, people have booked it.
How would a chart tell you availability  ???
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on March 02, 2015, 01:07:46 AM
How would a chart tell you availability  ???
please rephrase your question.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on March 02, 2015, 01:09:06 AM
LOL
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on March 02, 2015, 01:10:44 AM
LOL
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on March 02, 2015, 01:11:38 AM
LOL
חחחחח.....
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on March 03, 2015, 01:29:01 PM
Air France LAX-PPT
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: smart brit on March 13, 2015, 03:02:16 AM
Singapore Airlines
Barcelona to Sao Paulo
And Sao Paulo to bcn with no YQ
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: AJK on March 13, 2015, 01:30:02 PM
Is it difficult or even possible to book LHR to DXB with Qantas in R?

Availability is actually pretty decent. It's better in reverse though.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Malachi on March 13, 2015, 06:35:49 PM
Availability is actually pretty decent. It's better in reverse though.
Holy cow your next post will be 20,000.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: TimT on March 13, 2015, 06:40:36 PM
Holy cow your next post will be 20,000.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25604.msg1089525#msg1089525
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 28, 2015, 04:53:24 PM
BA MCT-AUH
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on May 28, 2015, 05:24:00 PM
BA MCT-AUH
Check again, it's already listed in the wiki.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: moish on May 29, 2015, 10:54:59 AM
Check again, it's already listed in the wiki.
truth
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on July 04, 2015, 11:48:30 PM
How do I book Qantas JFK to LAX?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on July 04, 2015, 11:51:26 PM
You can't.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Alexsei on July 06, 2015, 03:44:24 PM
You can't.
And it is still considered a 5th freedom route?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: AJK on July 06, 2015, 04:18:15 PM
And it is still considered a 5th freedom route?

No.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on July 06, 2015, 04:56:58 PM
And it is still considered a 5th freedom route?
Never was
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Buruch on July 07, 2015, 04:32:56 AM
And wouldn't be 5th even if it worked.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on July 07, 2015, 08:02:27 AM
And it is still considered a 5th freedom route?

No.

Never was

And wouldn't be 5th even if it worked.
The QF flight is an "8th Freedom" not a 5th
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on July 12, 2015, 03:04:32 PM
Just noticed another one, LX: DXB-MCT.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: efflpetzel on July 13, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
also this, CA: MAD-GRU
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on July 13, 2015, 12:23:42 PM
Air China A330, BCN-VIE
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on July 13, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
BA out of JNB are not 5th Freedom, Its a separate South African Airline operating with the BA Brand
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_(South_Africa) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comair_(South_Africa))
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: yuds70 on July 13, 2015, 02:55:38 PM
Any cheap fares going out of London like the LHR-AMS on Guarda Indonesia for less than $150 and get miles?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on July 25, 2015, 04:34:30 PM
Found another one: Qatar BKK-HAN
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on September 09, 2015, 01:14:55 PM
LO 787 MAD-MIA
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Yaalili on September 09, 2015, 01:18:16 PM
LO 787 BAD-MIA

Do you mean MAD for UX?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on September 09, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
Do you mean MAD for UX?

Yes, and I just realized it's "UX operated by LO", is this considered a 5th Freedom flight because it's on LO metal?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on September 09, 2015, 02:00:45 PM
Yes, and I just realized it's "UX operated by LO", is this considered a 5th Freedom flight because it's on LO metal?
No, LO is the "driver", they don't sell the flight
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Yaalili on September 09, 2015, 02:13:56 PM
Yes, and I just realized it's "UX operated by LO", is this considered a 5th Freedom flight because it's on LO metal?

Not fifth freedom. Same as etihad using jet airways for lots of their flights.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on September 09, 2015, 02:58:50 PM
@Buruch - BA out of JNB are not 5th freedom
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Buruch on September 10, 2015, 05:15:09 AM
@Buruch - BA out of JNB are not 5th freedom

I said they were? I only edited the wiki to put in a couple (not all existing) BA Caribbean routes. I also confirmed with BA that codeshare AA flights on Seaborne are not eligible for Avios redemption :( That puts SJU-DOM off the table, and perhaps others. But you can still do MIA-PLS-ANU-SKB-MIA for 25k off peak plus about 75-100 in taxes. Those flights would cost at least 1,200 normally.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: hvaces42 on September 17, 2015, 01:54:39 PM
Does anyone know if TK 6387 Kiev to Budapest a 5th freedom flight. And is it possible to book through United.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on September 17, 2015, 03:13:33 PM
Does anyone know if TK 6387 Kiev to Budapest a 5th freedom flight. And is it possible to book through United.

sample date? I want to look at it.. dont see it for most days in a brief search
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on September 17, 2015, 08:11:31 PM
Does anyone know if TK 6387 Kiev to Budapest a 5th freedom flight. And is it possible to book through United.
Not sure if I should laugh or cry...

Its a valid 5th freedom flight...... If you fly package class
And they don't accept tickets on this route, only way-bills
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: hvaces42 on September 17, 2015, 09:14:31 PM
Not sure if I should laugh or cry...

Its a valid 5th freedom flight...... If you fly package class
And they don't accept tickets on this route, only way-bills
::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on September 17, 2015, 11:17:45 PM
Is it possible to book SNN-JFK on the BA J only configuration A-318?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: 1050BU on September 17, 2015, 11:19:52 PM

Is it possible to book SNN-JFK on the BA J only configuration A-318?

Dont believe so.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: keepsmiling123 on September 22, 2015, 12:50:27 AM
Ive been searching tons of dates for the Cathay Pacific JFK-YVR using Alaskan but have had no success online finding it. Do i need to call to book it or is it easier to find using AA miles? (prefer to use Alaskan miles tho)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on September 22, 2015, 01:13:29 AM
Ive been searching tons of dates for the Cathay Pacific JFK-YVR using Alaskan but have had no success online finding it. Do i need to call to book it or is it easier to find using AA miles? (prefer to use Alaskan miles tho)
For CX flights, you need to search through BA, then call AS to book.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: mendygold92 on October 29, 2015, 04:52:33 PM
On line there's none available JFK - YYZ economy on Tam airlines, is there a chance they'll have any available if I call in?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: mendygold92 on October 29, 2015, 04:55:01 PM
On line there's none available JFK - YYZ economy on Tam airlines, is there a chance they'll have any available if I call in?
Sorry wrong thread..
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on October 29, 2015, 05:34:38 PM
Sorry wrong thread..
There's a "delete" option....
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on November 01, 2015, 03:26:07 PM
KLM: BAH-AUH
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ilherman on November 08, 2015, 12:20:35 AM
Just saw PK MAN-JFK. Anyone did that? Any nice premium cabins?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on November 08, 2015, 11:42:19 AM
I've got to sample this one day...
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on November 08, 2015, 12:12:13 PM
Just saw PK MAN-JFK. Anyone did that? Any nice premium cabins?
They used to have another route out of Barcelona that I was very close to booking. Didn't seem to be anything special but was ridiculously cheap
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on November 08, 2015, 02:34:33 PM
They used to have another route out of Barcelona that I was very close to booking. Didn't seem to be anything special but was ridiculously cheap
Just saw PK MAN-JFK. Anyone did that? Any nice premium cabins?
i see that AA is $575 on MAN-JFK (01/14-01/21), not sure if that's very cheap...
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: JoeCha on November 08, 2015, 05:41:21 PM
Flies only on Tuesday & Saturday.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: D93 on January 07, 2016, 05:41:47 AM
CX103 CNS-BNE

Is this legally bookable (it's showing on BA.com, but not letting me book online)?
Title: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on January 07, 2016, 07:55:53 AM
CX103 CNS-BNE

Is this legally bookable (it's showing on BA.com, but not letting me book online)?

Not legal due to No cabotage authorization.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: mmm740 on January 11, 2016, 11:02:30 PM
CI 51-58 between SYD-AKL SYD-CHC BNE-AKL MEL-CHC.
CI 65-66 BKK-AMS.

Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: iAm on January 12, 2016, 09:58:11 AM
Qatar (QR) PNH-SGN
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 09, 2016, 01:14:59 PM
Air China flies a 5th freedom route YUL-HAV and back (feeds from PEK). I checked some random dates and found fares for ~#350 in Y and ~$850 in lie-flat J (773).

Theoretically this should be bookable for 35/60k SQ (UA can't book to HAV).

Cuban visa is included in the price and gets picked up at the gate.

Added to wiki.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on February 09, 2016, 01:26:22 PM
Air China flies a 5th freedom route YUL-HAV and back (feeds from PEK). I checked some random dates and found fares for ~#350 in Y and ~$850 in lie-flat J (773).

Theoretically this should be bookable for 35/70k SQ (UA can't book to HAV).

Cuban visa is included in the price and gets picked up at the gate.

Added to wiki.

dont see this flight, when will they start?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 09, 2016, 01:42:02 PM
dont see this flight, when will they start?

It's been ongoing for a while apparently. I was just able to create a dummy booking for today.

ETA:

(https://i.gyazo.com/19de4ff4f1580e667f203b9caf773c35.png)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on February 09, 2016, 01:53:42 PM
Cool. If you are bored you can reorder the wiki in some kind of order, not just random airlines. Like alphabetical? By alliance?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on February 09, 2016, 01:56:53 PM
Cool. If you are bored you can reorder the wiki in some kind of order, not just random airlines. Like alphabetical? By alliance?

Go right ahead. Wouldn't mind!
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on February 09, 2016, 01:58:17 PM
Go right ahead. Wouldn't mind!

Don't know HTML well enough to do it without major timewaste
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 09, 2016, 02:07:14 PM
Don't know HTML well enough to do it without major timewaste

No need to know HTML, it's just copy and paste. Took me under two minutes.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: EJB on February 09, 2016, 02:18:00 PM
Air China flies a 5th freedom route YUL-HAV and back (feeds from PEK). I checked some random dates and found fares for ~#350 in Y and ~$850 in lie-flat J (773).

Theoretically this should be bookable for 35/70k SQ (UA can't book to HAV).

Cuban visa is included in the price and gets picked up at the gate.

Added to wiki.

35/60, no?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 09, 2016, 02:19:43 PM
35/60, no?

Yes, correct. Updated.

Thanks.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: G11600 on February 09, 2016, 02:41:41 PM
dont see this flight, when will they start?

There's a good review of the flight here

http://gossipmiles.com/2016/01/23/air-china-yul-hav-j/
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on February 22, 2016, 06:32:03 PM
Air Canada (AC):
EZE-SCL

Just added this to the wiki.

Looks like EZE is the 5th Freedom capital.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on February 22, 2016, 08:31:09 PM
Doesn't SQ fly to ICN from either LAX or SFO?
also GRU-BCN
also qatar flies more intra europe, good use of avios
also CX DXB-BAH which i've flown myself 9k avios in J ;)
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on February 22, 2016, 08:38:09 PM
Doesn't SQ fly to ICN from either LAX or SFO?
also GRU-BCN
also qatar flies more intra europe, good use of avios
also CX DXB-BAH which i've flown myself 9k avios in J ;)
SQ flies from SFO to HKG and ICN and from LAX to NRT.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on February 22, 2016, 09:08:09 PM
SQ flies from SFO to HKG and ICN and from LAX to NRT.
right, so why isn't ICN in the wiki?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on February 22, 2016, 09:09:20 PM
also Philippine airlines YVR-JFK
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: YOSEF on February 22, 2016, 09:20:36 PM
KL DPS-SIN
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: YOSEF on February 22, 2016, 09:30:27 PM
EK MEL-AKL
CI SYD-AKL
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on February 22, 2016, 10:20:26 PM
EK MEL-AKL
CI SYD-AKL

the EK flight is already in the wiki
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: YOSEF on February 22, 2016, 10:23:36 PM
No it isn't.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on February 22, 2016, 11:33:51 PM
No it isn't.

I stand corrected, I was thinking SYD
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on February 22, 2016, 11:41:33 PM
Whay do y'all think about Norwegian's lights that dont include Oslo or St. Marteen?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 22, 2016, 06:38:48 AM
Looks like DL has a flight NRT-BKK.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Yaalili on May 22, 2016, 07:27:41 AM
Looks like DL has a flight NRT-BKK.

DL has a hub at NRT.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on May 22, 2016, 07:28:32 AM
DL has a hub at NRT.
Oh.  :-[
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on May 22, 2016, 10:34:09 AM
Philippine Airlines JFK-YVR
Kuwait can go off the wiki
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: chff on May 22, 2016, 11:10:15 AM
Philippine Airlines JFK-YVR
Kuwait can go off the wiki
Kuwait still retains 5th Freedom rights, they just don't exercise it
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: buenos naches on May 24, 2016, 06:34:11 PM
De WE feel safe listing the Ethiopian Dreamliner DUB-LAX?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: AJK on May 24, 2016, 07:31:46 PM
Kuwait still retains 5th Freedom rights, they just don't exercise it

Incorrect.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on May 24, 2016, 09:09:36 PM
Air india is starting LHR-EWR.
Interesting because they used to codeshare on the Kuwait flight
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on May 25, 2016, 01:15:22 AM
Air india is starting LHR-EWR.
Interesting because they used to codeshare on the Kuwait flight
ought to be an adventure.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on October 31, 2016, 12:27:51 AM
I just discovered an IAH-MAN on SQ. I don't see it on the wiki.
Anyway, I have never flown SQ but have wanted to and I have to actually fly that route IAH-MAN.
What's the best way to book an award for that flight?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on October 31, 2016, 12:32:11 AM
I just discovered an IAH-MAN on SQ. I don't see it on the wiki.
Anyway, I have never flown SQ but have wanted to and I have to actually fly that route IAH-MAN.
What's the best way to book an award for that flight?
Starting today, they switched the IAH-DME-SIN to IAH-MAN-SIN instead (Wiki updated).

IINM the only way to book SQ premium cabins is with their own miles.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on October 31, 2016, 12:39:06 AM
Starting today, they switched the IAH-DME-SIN to IAH-MAN-SIN instead (Wiki updated).

IINM the only way to book SQ premium cabins is with their own miles.

Wow, that's so funny that they switched it today. I just searched that route for the first time today!
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 31, 2016, 12:42:21 AM
I just discovered an IAH-MAN on SQ. I don't see it on the wiki.
Anyway, I have never flown SQ but have wanted to and I have to actually fly that route IAH-MAN.
What's the best way to book an award for that flight?
Not an A380 though if you wanted that.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on October 31, 2016, 12:44:00 AM
Not an A380 though if you wanted that.

Right it's a 777.
Honestly, I know this is DDF heresy but I don't know the difference!
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Emkay on October 31, 2016, 12:47:43 AM
Right it's a 777.
Honestly, I know this is DDF heresy but I don't know the difference!
One has a double bed in F/Suites.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 31, 2016, 12:52:45 AM
One has a double bed in F/Suites.
The A380 has the double bed correct? Besides for that, is there any advantage?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on October 31, 2016, 08:15:17 AM
Wow, that's so funny that they switched it today. I just searched that route for the first time today!
Was announced back in July, yesterday was the first scheduled flight.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on November 01, 2016, 12:56:10 PM
IINM the only way to book SQ premium cabins is with their own miles.
Depends on route
The A380 has the double bed correct? Besides for that, is there any advantage?
Double bed is only if its available.

Put simply the 388 has suites with walls and the 77W has a very good first class
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on November 02, 2016, 12:57:23 AM
I just discovered an IAH-MAN on SQ. I don't see it on the wiki.
Anyway, I have never flown SQ but have wanted to and I have to actually fly that route IAH-MAN.
What's the best way to book an award for that flight?
Is the YQ high on this one?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on November 02, 2016, 01:32:09 AM
Is the YQ high on this one?

No clue. I saw it on google flights. I didn't see the price structure.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: rileywiles23 on November 02, 2016, 02:40:49 PM
Is the YQ high on this one?
About $150 OW and $300 RT.
Title: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 13, 2017, 05:54:37 PM
Ethiopian announced TLV-Thailand
Edit: it's false
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on February 13, 2017, 06:05:41 PM
Ethiopian announced TLV-Thailand
Starting when? Any more info?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 13, 2017, 06:09:08 PM
Starting when? Any more info?
Saw it here http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4921866
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on February 13, 2017, 06:19:30 PM
Saw it here http://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/4921866
Article seems to just mention an ongoing sale. Am I missing something?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 13, 2017, 06:25:05 PM
Article seems to just mention an ongoing sale. Am I missing something?
Seems like you are right, funny how they put it between 2 new flights
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on February 13, 2017, 07:06:46 PM
Ethiopian announced TLV-Thailand
That would be big news. Direct Star Alliance flights TLV-Far East!
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on February 13, 2017, 07:07:20 PM
That would be big news. Direct Star Alliance flights TLV-Far East!
I made a mistake, it's not true
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on February 13, 2017, 07:08:47 PM
I made a mistake, it's not true
I guess it sounded too good to be true. Come to think about it, it would be an extremely unlikely route.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on February 14, 2017, 11:21:06 AM
I guess it sounded too good to be true. Come to think about it, it would be an extremely unlikely route.
Would be nice if they would work on updating their current schedules to not require a 10+ hour layover between TLV-BKK (and vice versa).
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2017, 11:31:20 AM

Would be nice if they would work on updating their current schedules to not require a 10+ hour layover between TLV-BKK (and vice versa).
Would also be nice if aireuropa would adjust their TLV schedule to be able to connect to and from flights to/from US. It could become a decent widebody connection to TLV.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on February 14, 2017, 11:38:44 AM
Let's have a thread where we make up unlikely 5th freedom routes and then post the next day that we were kidding. I'll start.

Hey, guys! Did you hear about HPN-SIN on QF in an A380?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 14, 2017, 11:40:42 AM
Let's have a thread where we make up unlikely 5th freedom routes and then post the next day that we were kidding. I'll start.

Hey, guys! Did you hear about HPN-SIN on QF in an A380?
CLE-YVR, CX 77W
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on February 14, 2017, 12:03:06 PM
Let's have a thread where we make up unlikely 5th freedom routes and then post the next day that we were kidding. I'll start.

Hey, guys! Did you hear about HPN-SIN on QF in an A380?
How about adding to the Wiki airports that are least likely to get 5th Freedom flights, so people can avoid mistakes. Start the list with the following four:

TLV
HPN
CLE
PIT
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: SearchGuy on April 15, 2017, 10:04:15 AM
Ethiopian KUL-SIN
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on June 07, 2017, 10:24:09 AM
I have UR and MR and trying to get to YVR in J.
What is my best redemption option flying RT on CX?
What would be my best redemption option flying JFK-YVR on PR and then YVR-JFK on CX?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: lubaby on June 07, 2017, 10:30:32 AM
I have UR and MR and trying to get to YVR in J.
What is my best redemption option flying RT on CX?
What would be my best redemption option flying JFK-YVR on PR and then YVR-JFK on CX?
MR > CX  is 50k RT or 30k OW on CX.
MR > NH is 55k RT on PR (can't book NH partners as OW).
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 07, 2017, 10:31:06 AM
I have UR and MR and trying to get to YVR in J.
What is my best redemption option flying RT on CX?
What would be my best redemption option flying JFK-YVR on PR and then YVR-JFK on CX?
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/85765
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on June 07, 2017, 10:37:14 AM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/85765
Thanks Dan.
That post lists JFK-YVR in J for 25K BA. It is now 37.5K BA as per phone rep.

Can you offer any input on redeeming flights on PR?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: Dan on June 07, 2017, 10:40:32 AM
That post lists JFK-YVR in J for 25K BA.
-1.

Can you offer any input on redeeming flights on PR?
Use Hybrid points.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on June 07, 2017, 10:44:41 AM
Use Hybrid points.
that would be 66K as the ticket is pricing at $1,000
IIRC they partner with EK and ANA however I do not have account with EK and cant check the price/availability.

ETA: 62.5K EK on PR from JFK to YVR.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on June 07, 2017, 10:46:57 AM
-1.
my bad. was looking in the wrong column. Lol
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on January 04, 2018, 08:53:37 AM
Are there any 5th Freedoms from JFK-LAX?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: TAVI on January 04, 2018, 09:15:23 AM
Are there any 5th Freedoms from JFK-LAX?

nope
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: a mirrer on January 04, 2018, 09:33:32 AM
Are there any 5th Freedoms from JFK-LAX?
the Qantas flight is not a 5th freedom, but possible to book as a stopover award with AS continuing to Australia eventually
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: iAm on January 04, 2018, 11:50:56 AM
Are there any 5th Freedoms from JFK-LAX?

This is by very definition impossible. The fifth freedom allows an airline to carry revenue traffic between foreign countries as a part of services connecting the airline's own country.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: iAm on January 04, 2018, 11:52:51 AM
the Qantas flight is not a 5th freedom, but possible to book as a stopover award with AS continuing to Australia eventually

While this may be able to be booked, do you know of anyone who has actually flown that... it's officially cabbatoge.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: high end hobo on January 04, 2018, 12:01:27 PM
the Qantas flight is not a 5th freedom, but possible to book as a stopover award with AS continuing to Australia eventually
This is by very definition impossible. The fifth freedom allows an airline to carry revenue traffic between foreign countries as a part of services connecting the airline's own country.
While this may be able to be booked, do you know of anyone who has actually flown that... it's officially cabbatoge.
It's not impossible, it would be under the 8th freedom, which the USA doesnt allow

Yes I know someone who booked and flew it
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: @Yehuda on June 28, 2018, 11:33:11 AM
I'm seeing a BA flight from EWR-ORY. Make sense? Is that new?
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: shapsam on June 28, 2018, 11:36:16 AM
I'm seeing a BA flight from EWR-ORY. Make sense? Is that new?
Not new, its Open skies.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: hvaces42 on March 28, 2019, 12:16:15 AM
Air Canada (AC):
EZE-SCL

Just added this to the wiki.

Looks like EZE is the 5th Freedom capital.
KLM now services this same route.
13.5k FB in Y
34k FB and up in J

Operating 77W AFAIK
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on July 29, 2020, 12:33:19 AM
Not exactly a 5th freedom but an interesting route nonetheless:
SY 934
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ah giten on July 29, 2020, 01:27:57 AM
Wow does this wiki need a refresh.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: yuds70 on July 29, 2020, 03:04:53 AM
Not exactly a 5th freedom but an interesting route nonetheless:
SY 934
Ha, I see it in my GDS...

Though it seems all classes are available, it doesn't let me hold a seat.

The funny thing is, I see they have published fares for this route, $5 in B class, and $9 in Y class.
Title: Re: 5th Freedom Flights Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on July 30, 2020, 12:51:34 AM
Ha, I see it in my GDS...

Though it seems all classes are available, it doesn't let me hold a seat.

The funny thing is, I see they have published fares for this route, $5 in B class, and $9 in Y class.
Interesting. I guess it's a direct flight from EWR to MSP and picks up passengers in PHL.