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Title: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 06:38:09 PM
I'm loving Dallas losing. Will shut up all the Dallas fans thinking this year is different.
And mad dog is going to have a field day with Dez Bryant disappearing in a big game
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 06:42:10 PM
And mad dog is going to have a field day with Dez Bryant disappearing in a big game
He just showed up.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 06:43:02 PM
He just showed up.  :)
One catch ain't showing up. And let him get on the end zone
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 06:48:12 PM
We have a game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 06:54:57 PM
Indeed we do
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:03:35 PM
Throw the ball.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: TimT on January 04, 2015, 07:06:02 PM
Throw the ball.  >:(
:)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:25:25 PM
The lions deserve to use for not going for it on Fourth and one
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:28:30 PM
He just showed up.  :)


One catch ain't showing up. And let him get on the end zone
Now would be an opportune time
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: benjie1305 on January 04, 2015, 07:28:42 PM
Wow Wow Wow - this will be an exciting last 2.5 minutes.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:29:09 PM
Darn. I can't believe they are going to advance
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:37:19 PM
Darn. I can't believe they are going to advance
Detroit sucks. I am no big D fan but Detroit, come on.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:43:58 PM
Gotta love this 2 minute offense. 7 plays 27 yards
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: grodnoking on January 04, 2015, 07:49:56 PM
Nananana nananana hey lions good bye!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: tageed-lee on January 04, 2015, 07:51:24 PM
Nananana nananana hey lions good bye!

Sucks when the Refs change the outcome of a game...

And no im not a fan of either team...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: grodnoking on January 04, 2015, 07:52:07 PM
Sucks when the Refs change the outcome of a game...
Oh dont be a sore looser!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:52:12 PM
Nananana nananana hey lions good bye!
You forgot a "hey".
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
Stafford isn't an elite QB by any measure but I think people calling him cutler with better PR are overdoing it
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:53:43 PM
Sucks when the Refs change the outcome of a game...
I hear ya. Big D should have won by 20.  :P
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:54:28 PM
Stafford isn't an elite QB by any measure but I think people calling him cutler with better PR are overdoing it
He sure is better than Cutler.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:54:42 PM
Detroit sucks. I am no big D fan but Detroit, come on.
True that. We are definitely better off with a GB-Dallas game
Although this notion that Dallas is the best team in the conference and can win in Seattle is ludicrous
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 07:55:25 PM
He sure is better than Cutler.
It's not even close
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:55:41 PM
True that. We are definitely better off with a GB-Dallas game
Will be rooting for GB but hoping for a good high scoring game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: tageed-lee on January 04, 2015, 07:56:14 PM
You forgot a "hey".

Two "Heys" if your getting technichal... :P
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:57:23 PM
It's not even close
What are you smoking. Cutler had one of the best if not the best receiving core in the league. Why do you think they benched him, fired the head coach and GM?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 07:57:52 PM
Two "Heys" if your getting technichal... :P
Two total so you only missed one.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 08:00:07 PM
What are you smoking. Cutler had one of the best if not the best receiving core in the league. Why do you think they benched him, fired the head coach and GM?
I was agreeing with you
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: tageed-lee on January 04, 2015, 08:00:12 PM
Two total so you only missed one.

3 heys total... 2 wouldn't rhyme...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 04, 2015, 08:01:40 PM
3 heys total... 2 wouldn't rhyme...
Are you american?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 08:03:08 PM
3 heys total... 2 wouldn't rhyme...
Fix the first part because that has to many na na's.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 04, 2015, 08:03:38 PM
Are you american?
??? ;D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: tageed-lee on January 04, 2015, 08:07:14 PM
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: yoruel on January 04, 2015, 08:58:24 PM
Will be rooting for GB but hoping for a good high scoring game.
How many REAL Dallas fans do we have around here?
How many Dallas Haters do we have around here?
PS i dont like Jerry J
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Moes Tavern on January 04, 2015, 09:34:49 PM
As a resident of New Jersey, I am embarrassed by the way my Governor was celebrating with the Jonses. Can you even take him seriously as a presidential candidate???

The color of the sweater is atrocious as well!!!!

Link (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/jerry-jones-chris-christie-share-intimate-moment-of-ec-1677426949)

Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Cowboysuk on January 05, 2015, 01:56:56 AM
I might have to change my username  :-\
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2015, 01:57:48 AM
I might have to change my username  :-\
Wait a little bit longer  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Sport on January 05, 2015, 02:07:00 AM

As a resident of New Jersey, I am embarrassed by the way my Governor was celebrating with the Jonses. Can you even take him seriously as a presidential candidate???

The color of the sweater is atrocious as well!!!!

Link (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/jerry-jones-chris-christie-share-intimate-moment-of-ec-1677426949)
the first time I saw Chris in the box with jj my reaction was " Jerry Jones' errand boy sure looks like Chris Christie"
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 05, 2015, 07:58:28 AM
the first time I saw Chris in the box with jj my reaction was " Jerry Jones' errand boy sure looks like Chris Christie"
+1 still didn't think it was him until i read the thread. We were laughing saying that guy looks like Christi minus 100 lbs. Was that really him??
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: coralsnake on January 05, 2015, 08:07:11 AM
As a resident of New Jersey, I am embarrassed by the way my Governor was celebrating with the Jonses. Can you even take him seriously as a presidential candidate???

The color of the sweater is atrocious as well!!!!

Link (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/jerry-jones-chris-christie-share-intimate-moment-of-ec-1677426949)


He was on Boomer & Carton this morning.

First of all, He IS a Cowboys fan (which makes me want to impeach him as NJ Governor, but thats besides the point)

Claims hes worn that awful sweater to the 5 Cowboys games hes been to this year and theyre 5-0.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Moes Tavern on January 05, 2015, 08:25:05 AM
He was on Boomer & Carton this morning.

First of all, He IS a Cowboys fan (which makes me want to impeach him as NJ Governor, but thats besides the point)

Claims hes worn that awful sweater to the 5 Cowboys games hes been to this year and theyre 5-0.
He has made no secrets about his love  for the Cowboys since day 1
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Chapshnell on January 05, 2015, 09:02:48 AM
I dont like the view of the owners suite... They probably have 1 cameraman whos job is to film Jerruah at all times.. Still feel the Pats will win it all this yr. (vs Seahawks)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: coralsnake on January 05, 2015, 09:05:13 AM
I dont like the view of the owners suite... They probably have 1 cameraman whos job is to film Jerruah at all times.. Still feel the Pats will win it all this yr. (vs Seahawks)
-1

Green Bay for sure.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 05, 2015, 09:09:55 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/suh-breaks-down-after-lions-loss-to-cowboys/ar-BBhwy7n?ocid=mailsignout#image=1
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2015, 09:17:41 AM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/suh-breaks-down-after-lions-loss-to-cowboys/ar-BBhwy7n?ocid=mailsignout#image=1
I guess there's a heart deep down somewhere there.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: yoruel on January 11, 2015, 12:23:37 AM
What do you say to NE illegal plays?

Great Game
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 11, 2015, 01:09:24 AM
What do you say to NE illegal plays?
They worked and what was illegal about them?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: DP7 on January 11, 2015, 05:12:51 AM

They worked and what was illegal about them?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2014/story/_/id/12149320/2014-15-nfl-playoffs-john-harbaugh-says-new-england-patriots-subbing-clearly-deception
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: bingit on January 11, 2015, 12:03:16 PM
If I want to watch today's games online how do I do it? Dont have any cable or anything like that.....
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: benjie1305 on January 11, 2015, 12:03:56 PM
If I want to watch today's games online how do I do it? Dont have any cable or anything like that.....

Dont need cable today. Game is on CBS and FOX
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: bingit on January 11, 2015, 12:10:32 PM
Dont need cable today. Game is on CBS and FOX
I know... but want to watch it online. ...how do I go about doing that? Thanks.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: benjie1305 on January 11, 2015, 12:13:35 PM
fromsport.com for example.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: TimT on January 11, 2015, 12:19:10 PM
fromsport.com for example.
Link not working for me on a tablet.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: benjie1305 on January 11, 2015, 12:20:16 PM
Link not working for me on a tablet.

Ahhh..http://sportlemon.org/ should work
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 11, 2015, 03:11:18 PM
What do you say to NE illegal plays?
I say stop crying.  :)

The New England Patriots' substitutions on Saturday night were legal, according to the NFL, even though Baltimore Ravens coach John Harbaugh objected and called them a "substitution trick."

A spokesman for the NFL told ESPN's Chris Mortensen on Sunday that the substitutions were legal from a formation and reporting standpoint.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2015, 03:59:30 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Wolfbalden on January 11, 2015, 04:15:16 PM
Bryant and the 'boys were totally robbed on that challenge call.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Wolfbalden on January 11, 2015, 04:17:44 PM
If I want to watch today's games online how do I do it? Dont have any cable or anything like that.....

nfl.com, you can link from there to the streaming sites (nbc last night, FOX last night and today)for FOX you need to download the Gox Sports G app

I'm pretty sure you can watch all the games
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Cowboysuk on January 11, 2015, 04:19:35 PM
nfl.com, you can link from there to the streaming sites (nbc last night, FOX last night and today)for FOX you need to download the Gox Sports G app

I'm pretty sure you can watch all the games
you can but you have to have login credentials from any network provider like optimum or verizon
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 11, 2015, 04:20:02 PM
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Wolfbalden on January 11, 2015, 04:22:18 PM

i cant gloat or complain to my Detroit relatives after the razzing I gave them when they whined about the PI call!! ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 11, 2015, 05:13:51 PM
Hilarious

Dez Bryant 3 catches for 38 yards.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 11, 2015, 05:59:28 PM
Hilarious

Dez Bryant 3 catches for 38 yards.
You have to admit though, that was the best damn almost game winning TD catch you've ever seen ;D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: tageed-lee on January 11, 2015, 06:52:30 PM
You have to admit though, that was the best damn almost game winning TD catch you've ever seen ;D

Not sure you are right....He has another great highlight reel almost game winning TD catch.....



 Skip to :16 for the catch...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Wolfbalden on January 11, 2015, 07:38:44 PM
Denver was just robbed!!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: yoruel on January 11, 2015, 07:39:19 PM
Denver was just robbed!!
Bad spot?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Wolfbalden on January 11, 2015, 07:43:51 PM
Bad spot?

looked it to me
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Sport on January 11, 2015, 10:02:25 PM

Denver was just robbed!!
Please! It was the right call. And even if it was wrong they weren't coming back. manning just didn't have it today. 
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: DP7 on January 11, 2015, 10:18:41 PM

Bad spot?

The fumble on the punt return by cribs was the worse overturn.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Cowboysuk on January 11, 2015, 11:29:42 PM
Everybody stop whining about the Dez Bryant non catch. The rule is the rule and the NFL has been very consistent with it. The players know or should know that they have to maintain possession all the way to the ground and he couldnt hold on to it.End of story.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Deal man on January 11, 2015, 11:39:49 PM

Everybody stop whining about the Dez Bryant non catch. The rule is the rule and the NFL has been very consistent with it. The players know or should know that they have to maintain possession all the way to the ground and he couldnt hold on to it.End of story.
he clearly had possession, as he took 2 steps, then he was trying to stretch into endzone
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 11, 2015, 11:45:18 PM
Everybody stop whining about the Dez Bryant non catch. The rule is the rule and the NFL has been very consistent with it. The players know or should know that they have to maintain possession all the way to the ground and he couldnt hold on to it.End of story.
He took two steps with possession. How many steps does one have to take?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Cowboysuk on January 11, 2015, 11:48:13 PM
He was stumbling and never secured his balance. You have to secure your balance and retain possession for it to be considered a catch.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 11, 2015, 11:58:57 PM
You have to secure your balance and retain possession for it to be considered a catch.
Rule says no such thing.

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Cowboysuk on January 12, 2015, 01:26:24 AM
Where does that say not like what I said? If you dont secure your balance before going to the ground it is considered that you went to the ground "in the act of catching a pass" and therefore he "must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground" which Dez Bryant clearly didnt.
I did not mean that you have to secure your balance for it to be considered a catch, just that if you dont you have to maintain possession all the way to the ground.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: JamesIV on January 12, 2015, 03:07:25 AM
Not a catch. Next
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 12, 2015, 09:26:12 AM
This  is a very hard call to make and anyone who says there's no question one way or the other is clearly looking at it with tainted glasses
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 12, 2015, 09:33:57 AM
This  is a very hard call to make and anyone who says there's no question one way or the other is clearly looking at it with tainted glasses
+1
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 05:16:05 PM
And we have ourselves a game
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: benjie1305 on January 18, 2015, 05:17:24 PM
And we have ourselves a game

Actually crazy that the score is what it is. With a Rodgers at not even 100% and Seattle @ home, most ppl would have not bet on that 3rd quarter scoreline by a mile.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 05:21:33 PM
Does this finally put to bed the talk that Wilson is on the level of Brady, Rodgers, brees, luck, et al
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 05:23:47 PM
Does this finally put to bed the talk that Wilson is on the level of Brady, Rodgers, brees, luck, et al
Who said that?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: benjie1305 on January 18, 2015, 05:24:29 PM
Does this finally put to bed the talk that Wilson is on the level of Brady, Rodgers, brees, luck, et al

Even for someone like Luck it will still take time to prove himself to be able to really say if he is on that level. The potential and talent is certainly there. So does Wilson have it. This is his first 3 Int game since early 2012 season. I mean he happens to me unbelievably consistent for a QB thats this young and has now won the Superbowl and led the to the championship game in successive season. (maybe even further). Not bad at all.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 05:24:55 PM
And we have ourselves a game
On a trick play. I don't think so.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 05:27:26 PM
They need a big TO to make this thing interesting
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 05:28:53 PM
If you would have told the packers that Rodgers would be 15 of 25 for 135 yards, a TD and two picks they would have thought they were in major trouble
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 05:29:28 PM
They need a big TO to make this thing interesting
...or GB can put a fork in them with this drive.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 05:43:26 PM
Punting down two scores with seven minutes to go?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 05:50:01 PM
Punting down two scores with seven minutes to go?
...and no offense.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 05:50:26 PM
Stick a fork in it.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 05:50:54 PM
Not fair. My line.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 05:52:33 PM
Not fair. My line.  >:(
sloozed
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 05:54:25 PM
A 7 QB rating. Not very good
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 05:57:44 PM
He went out, gonna be overturned.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:02:10 PM
Stick a fork in it.
You jumped the gun.  :P
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:02:47 PM
You jumped the gun.  :P
We'll see.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:04:25 PM
Anyone have any crow handy?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:05:10 PM
Anyone have any crow handy?
:)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:06:36 PM
Great onside kick! Even if he caught it he was exposed for a hard hit.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:08:13 PM
No matter who wins at least it turned into a game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:08:57 PM
No matter who wins at least it turned into a game.
+1
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:09:26 PM
Who snapped their fingers to bring Wilson out of his hypnosis?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:09:56 PM
My goodness
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:10:05 PM
Did they score to early?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:10:29 PM
Very important conversion
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:10:35 PM
So, would you have had him stop at the .5 yard line before the TD in order to burn more time off the clock/have GB burn a TO?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:10:57 PM
Very important conversion
Wow!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:11:07 PM
What a pass.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:11:31 PM
So, would you have had him stop at the .5 yard line before the TD in order to burn more time off the clock/have GB burn a TO?
No
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:12:13 PM
No
Don't think they can rush 1 foot in 5 tries?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:12:39 PM
Plenty of time for GB here.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:12:55 PM
Don't think they can rush 1 foot in 5 tries?
Penalty/fumble anything can happen.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:13:04 PM
Just enough time for Rodgers to cement his legacy
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:13:26 PM
Penalty/fumble anything can happen.
As can happen in the next 90 seconds with 3 TOs.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:13:56 PM
I am rooting for GB!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:14:23 PM
Looks like he hurt himself there
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:14:53 PM
That's some limp he's got.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:15:32 PM
I am rooting for GB!
Please turn in your Chicago card ASAP.
Thanks.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:16:32 PM
50 yarder for overtime
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:16:56 PM
Please turn in your Chicago card ASAP.
Thanks.
Not many that are fans of both but you know me.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:17:06 PM
Wide left is the call
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:17:36 PM
Nailed it. Wow
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:17:57 PM
We are getting are moneys worth.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:18:20 PM
Boy that got fun quickly.
That 2 pointer. Man oh man.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: A3 on January 18, 2015, 06:18:40 PM
Not many that are fans of both but you know me.
Didn't know you play for both sides. ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:18:47 PM
Can't call it a classic. It was a sloozefest for 58 minutes
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:20:38 PM
Picks?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:21:21 PM
GB
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:21:26 PM
I hope Seattle gets the ball.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:21:36 PM
GB
+1
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:22:22 PM
What no ties after a 1/4?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:22:38 PM
I hope Seattle gets the ball.
Yes!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 18, 2015, 06:24:14 PM
Cant believe im missing this game. I have a feeling the other one is not going to be close. Wish the games were switched around
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:24:48 PM
Cant believe im missing this game. I have a feeling the other one is not going to be close. Wish the games were switched around
Indi blow out?  :P
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:26:12 PM
Russell pick
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: TimT on January 18, 2015, 06:27:23 PM
Indi blow out?  :P
Is that your pick ? Gotta remember that
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:29:04 PM
Big time throw there
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:29:20 PM
Is that your pick ? Gotta remember that
You kidding me? I am going with the old guy not the young grasshopper.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
Is this the best quarterback of all time?  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2015, 06:30:28 PM
I hope Seattle gets the ball.
Careful what you wish for :D
Epic comeback.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 06:30:59 PM
Big time throw there
X2

Like two different quarterbacks
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 06:31:06 PM
How do you pick against these guys in the SB. They will be the favorite no matter who they play.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Chaikel on January 18, 2015, 06:35:03 PM
I'd like to wish Erin Mazal Tov on her Bar Mitzva
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: yoruel on January 18, 2015, 06:44:52 PM
I am still trying to catch my breath. WOW 8)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: DP7 on January 18, 2015, 06:48:40 PM
Still don't get why Burnet didn't run that pick back, was no one near him.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 07:42:02 PM
This is the difference between a pretty good coach and a great coach. No way a belicheck coached team will blow a two score lead with three minutes to go
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 07:44:29 PM
This is the difference between a pretty good coach and a great coach. No way a belicheck coached team will blow a two score lead with three minutes to go
You think Mike McCarthy lost the game?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 07:45:57 PM
You think Mike McCarthy lost the game?
No. But I think that if they would have been a little more aggressive throughout, it never would have come to that
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 07:46:29 PM
I hated the first two field goals
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 08:19:23 PM
My point exactly
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 08:39:29 PM
Overall, the Patriots are 87-0 at home since 2001 when leading by at least eight points at any time in the game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 08:52:08 PM
Stick a fork in it.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 09:12:29 PM
How do you pick against these guys in the SB. They will be the favorite no matter who they play.
What do you think the line will be? Hawks -2?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 09:17:57 PM
I will go with opening line -3.
o/u 47
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 18, 2015, 09:18:19 PM
Super busy today so I only got to watch the highlights from the first game just now. Overall vibe I was getting was a lot of excitement, but not a particularly well played game by either side. For those who watched it, is that accurate?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 09:19:03 PM
Yes
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 09:19:18 PM
A lot of excitement late
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 09:19:56 PM
I will go with opening line -3.
o/u 47
I think the pats are a steal at +3
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: TimT on January 18, 2015, 09:24:12 PM
Stick a fork in it.
Better throw a knife in too.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 09:50:51 PM
45-7 late and he is throwing a bomb? That is why no one likes this coach.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2015, 09:52:43 PM
Who here thinks 4 an 0 in the SB is better than 4-2?
I think that's ridiculous.
If Brady wins this SB, he's the greatest ever in my books.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 09:52:46 PM
The SB really has a chance to be special.

The two best teams are playing, not very often you can say that.
Patriots have a ton of legacy on the line. Very different 3-3 vs. 4-2.
Seahawks have a chance to go down as possible the greatest defense ever
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2015, 09:53:24 PM
45-7 late and he is throwing a bomb? That is why no one likes this coach.
You may not like him, but he's gone to 6 SBs, SIX!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 09:54:13 PM
45-7 late and he is throwing a bomb? That is why no one likes this coach.
Indeed
Who here thinks 4 an 0 in the SB is better than 4-2?
I think that's ridiculous.
If Brady wins this SB, he's the greatest ever in my books.
I'm not sure I agree with you. But 3-3 is a real problem. 2-0 is better than 3-3
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2015, 09:58:35 PM
Indeed I'm not sure I agree with you. But 3-3 is a real problem. 2-0 is better than 3-3
Why is 3 and 3 a real problem? It shows 6 years of greatness. And a 50% rate of beating one of the top 2 teams in the league.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 10:01:53 PM
Why is 3 and 3 a real problem? It shows 6 years of greatness. And a 50% rate of beating one of the top 2 teams in the league.
Because it door shows you are average on the biggest stage
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 10:05:50 PM
And don't forget, both those losses were to the giants who were not the best team in the league either year (coming from a giant fan) and the patriots were better both those years
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 10:07:16 PM
Why is 3 and 3 a real problem? It shows 6 years of greatness. And a 50% rate of beating one of the top 2 teams in the league.
You remember Minnesota?  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 10:07:57 PM
If Brady wins this SB, he's the greatest ever in my books.
You have a small book.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 10:10:05 PM
Seahawks have a chance to go down as possible the greatest defense ever
1985
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2015, 10:14:06 PM
1985
They have given up 8 points a game for the past eight games. They shut down Brady and Gronk, they are in the conversation
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 10:19:04 PM
They have given up 8 points a game for the past eight games. They shut down Brady and Gronk, they are in the conversation
No way do they rank with Steelers/Bears/Ravens
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2015, 10:19:11 PM
You have a small book.
Very small book. The only 4 I believe to be candidates for best NFL player ever are Peyton Manning (yes - Peyton Manning, his regular season performance is that much better that it might overcome his pathetic post season record), LT, Joe Montana and Tom Brady.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 10:26:26 PM
Very small book. The only 4 I believe to be candidates for best NFL player ever are Peyton Manning (yes - Peyton Manning, his regular season performance is that much better that it might overcome his pathetic post season record), LT, Joe Montana and Tom Brady.
You hear of guys like Walter Payton, Jerry Rice or Jim Brown?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 18, 2015, 10:30:38 PM
You hear of guys like Walter Payton, Jerry Rice or Jim Brown?
Yes, besides for Walter Payton, they're all in the top 6 in my books.

Top 4 - Manning, Brady, LT and Montanna - 1 - 4 in no particular order.
5-6 Jim Brown and Jerry Rice.

Walter Payton #3 running back. Maybe top 15 player.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 18, 2015, 10:33:51 PM
SEA -2.5
o/u 49
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 18, 2015, 10:59:55 PM
No way do they rank with Steelers/Bears/Ravens
I would totally agree with that, except for the fact that the Seahawks are doing it in the current NFL rules environment, which is offense-weighted to say the least.
You hear of guys like Walter Payton, Jerry Rice or Jim Brown?
How you define greatest ever is going to largely depend on how one views the importance of various positions to the game. Rice will never make a dent in any serious discussion about the greatest NFL player ever simply because it's nearly impossible to argue that WR is the most important position in the sport. Payton and Brown are really serious contenders, but again, whether you go with a Brown or a Montana will likely have more to do with how one views their positions than anything else. Nowadays it's hard to imagine the role a dominant running back played in the early days of the sport. Same goes for defense. The LT camp is there because they feel defense is more important than offense, LB is the most important defender, and LT was the best LB ever.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 19, 2015, 12:10:00 AM
The reason why LT is in the discussion is because he changed the way the game is played. Nothing to do with

The LT camp is there because they feel defense is more important than offense, LB is the most important defender, and LT was the best LB ever.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 19, 2015, 12:11:15 AM
No way do they rank with Steelers/Bears/Ravens
Just because they don't play the version of smash mouth defense that you associate with greatness doesn't mean they are not in that discussion
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 08:33:33 AM
Just because they don't play the version of smash mouth defense that you associate with greatness doesn't mean they are not in that discussion
It is called dominating games. Take the 85 Bears. Look at the playoff games. Two shutouts and 10 points in the SB. This Seattle team comes no where near that. It is a joke to compare them to these teams. Even if they shutout NE they still don't belong. What if NE scores big?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 08:37:01 AM
The reason why LT is in the discussion is because he changed the way the game is played.
I thought it was the 46 defense that change the game.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: yoshyosh on January 19, 2015, 08:49:18 AM
No way do they rank with Steelers/Bears/Ravens
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/68778308/nfl-ranking-best-defenses-in-history-seattle-seahawks-chicago-bears
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 09:43:35 AM
The reason why LT is in the discussion is because he changed the way the game is played. Nothing to do with
IYO. Either way, you're in the wrong discussion. Most influential? Now you have something to talk about.

If anything, your point is an argument against him because one could claim he was only so successful because teams had never seen that type of player and strategy. And if he'd been playing today the skills and strategies that have emerged dealing with the concept of a pass rushing LB would make him less effective (I don't actually believe that, I just don't think your particular argument is relevant to the discussion of greatest NFL player).

By definition, if he wasn't the best at his position, or if another position is more critical to a team's success, you can't call him the greatest player, no matter what his impact on the game was.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 09:46:36 AM
It is called dominating games. Take the 85 Bears. Look at the playoff games. Two shutouts and 10 points in the SB. This Seattle team comes no where near that. It is a joke to compare them to these teams. Even if they shutout NE they still don't belong. What if NE scores big?
You're avoiding my point. If you want to argue that no defense in this era could be as great as the '85 Bears simply because of the rules they played with, I'll buy that. But that's an opinion (and an even more subjective one than the basic question of which defense was better). It's just not possible to 'dominate' in the way the Bears did in today's game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 09:48:49 AM
http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/68778308/nfl-ranking-best-defenses-in-history-seattle-seahawks-chicago-bears
Quote
If the Seahawks defense had played a decade ago the way its did this year, it would not have been as impressive. But the advances in offensive football gave the 2013 Seahawks defense unquestioned credibility. "What they did stands out because of the way rule changes have affected offense," said Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome, who played against the Steel Curtain and the Bears in the mid-'80s and put together the 2000 Ravens. "More scoring, the rules favor that. Back in the day, corners could absolutely beat guys up."
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 09:50:18 AM
You're avoiding my point. If you want to argue that no defense in this era could be as great as the '85 Bears simply because of the rules they played with, I'll buy that. But that's an opinion (and an even more subjective one than the basic question of which defense was better). It's just not possible to 'dominate' in the way the Bears did in today's game.
Stop with the rules BS. Seattle had a span (dominated) this year where they were as good or better than the 85 Bears with the current rules.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 10:26:13 AM
Stop with the rules BS. Seattle had a span (dominated) this year where they were as good or better than the 85 Bears with the current rules.
Lol, read the section in the article yosh linked to on Seattle, where this point is brought up again and again, by several well respected NFL personalities.

In fact, you'll find that some people think part of the reason they're so successful is that they stretch those exact rules, and get away with a lot of stuff. The article does make the point that Seattle as a team are fantastic tacklers, something that is harder and harder to find these days. Of course that's a pretty terrible headline argument for greatest ever - 'we tackle real good!'  :D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 10:32:27 AM
Lol, read the section in the article yosh linked to on Seattle, where this point is brought up again and again, by several well respected NFL personalities.
Anyone can make any point they want to but that does not change the facts. In 85 they came up with the 46 defense that change the game. That combined with the Bears having great players made them one of the best ever, not the rules.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 10:39:05 AM
Anyone can make any point they want to but that does not change the facts. In 85 they came up with the 46 defense that change the game. That combined with the Bears having great players made them one of the best ever, not the rules.
Facts? The fact that they came up with the 46 defense makes them the best ever? That doesn't make you the greatest ever. Having the best players and playing better together as a team than any other does. The rules point was just a response to mitigate the knock that they weren't dominant, that they allowed to many total points, etc.

FTR, I think Seattle's not particularly close to the '85 Bears. But you can't have a discussion about them out of the context of the era in which they played.

I also think that if they stay together (at least the 3 all-pros) and play like this for a few more years, then their secondary probably takes the crown for best secondary ever.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 10:52:15 AM
Facts? The fact that they came up with the 46 defense makes them the best ever? That doesn't make you the greatest ever. Having the best players and playing better together as a team than any other does. The rules point was just a response to mitigate the knock that they weren't dominant, that they allowed to many total points, etc.
You missed the point. The 46 was something that was never seen before. That combined with great players to execute it made them dominate other teams. The scheme you run does not make you great. Teams then adjusted to the 46. Someone will come out with another defensive scheme to counter the current rules. Execute with great players and dominate just like the teams of old.

Didn't the same thing happen with the "West Coast offense"?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 10:53:55 AM
I also think that if they stay together (at least the 3 all-pros) and play like this for a few more years, then their secondary probably takes the crown for best secondary ever.
That will be because of the new rules.  :P
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 11:40:48 AM
You missed the point. The 46 was something that was never seen before. That combined with great players to execute it made them dominate other teams. The scheme you run does not make you great. Teams then adjusted to the 46. Someone will come out with another defensive scheme to counter the current rules. Execute with great players and dominate just like the teams of old.

Didn't the same thing happen with the "West Coast offense"?
You're literally repeating what I'm saying. What made them great was not that they played a great new defensive scheme, it's that they crushed everyone. So leave the 46 out of it.

And again, my point about the rules is not that they're somehow great because of the rules. My point is that you have to look at how good a defense was in comparison to other defenses at the time. Sure it's possible everyone else was just terrible and that's why a team looked good. But more often than not in sports, there are other factors at play that make direct era-to-era comparisons less valuable than how much a team stood out within its era.

I totally disagree with your point about defenses eventually adapting to the current rules. There are some things you can't strategize/scheme against. It's like hand-checking in basketball (which FYI is always brought up in Jordan-as-GOAT discussions - not that he needs much help). Sure, teams have adapted - and that has resulted in higher scoring totals.
That will be because of the new rules.  :P
I think I've said this about you before, but it bears repeating: You just can't teach an old dog new tricks. ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 11:58:55 AM
You're literally repeating what I'm saying. What made them great was not that they played a great new defensive scheme, it's that they crushed everyone. So leave the 46 out of it.
Cool Hand Luke we have going on here. Leave the 46 out? What are you smoking? Without that scheme they are an average defense.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 12:03:44 PM
Cool Hand Luke we have going on here. Leave the 46 out? What are you smoking? Without that scheme they are an average defense.
Who said anything about them playing another scheme? Of course they wouldn't have played well without it. But their greatness is defined by their results, not how they got there.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: dd321 on January 19, 2015, 12:37:07 PM
Seattle doesn't even come close to the 2000 Ravens.
They were absolutely stifling vs the run.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 12:52:09 PM
'02 Tampa doesn't get quite as much love as some of the other great defenses, but there's never been a team that won the SB with less on the offensive side of the ball than them. That's got to count for something, right?

[I know, I know, the '00 Ravens somehow won with Dilfer at QB. But they had Jamal Lewis! And Priest Holmes was his backup!]
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 01:06:08 PM
'02 Tampa doesn't get quite as much love as some of the other great defenses, but there's never been a team that won the SB with less on the offensive side of the ball than them. That's got to count for something, right?
If it was true. What are you going by, points scored?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 19, 2015, 01:49:46 PM
If it was true. What are you going by, points scored?
I wasn't going particularly off of that, but that's probably a good start. The '00 Ravens are right there, if not worse, by most offensive metrics. But TB's only weapon was Keyshawn - and how much of a weapon is it when the only way to get the ball to him is through Brad Smith :P. Baltimore had a stellar run game, even if their passing attack was worse (somehow) than TB's. That's definitely more a feel/emotional argument than a rational one, but even I'm prone to such things on occasion ;D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 19, 2015, 02:15:41 PM
I wasn't going particularly off of that, but that's probably a good start. The '00 Ravens are right there, if not worse, by most offensive metrics.
Worst offense and best defense team that has won a SB based on facts, not opinions or conjecture.  :P
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 20, 2015, 11:30:58 PM
Thoughts on the patriots cheating yet again?


And does each time hold the balls for their own offensive possessions?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 20, 2015, 11:41:45 PM
Thoughts on the patriots cheating yet again?


And does each time hold the balls for their own offensive possessions?
I think they should disqualify The Pats and the Colts should play the SB.
I'm dead serious.
Enough is enough!
Bill "Nixon" Bellicheat.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 20, 2015, 11:45:03 PM
I think they should disqualify The Pats and the Colts should play the SB.
I'm dead serious.
Cute.

But seriously, some guy on the radio said they'll probably take away a first round draft pick. He said that the patriots hate first round picks. That's not a punishment. Take away their picks from rounds 3-7 and see how they feel then
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 20, 2015, 11:55:00 PM
Cute.

But seriously, some guy on the radio said they'll probably take away a first round draft pick. He said that the patriots hate first round picks. That's not a punishment. Take away their picks from rounds 3-7 and see how they feel then
lol.



I don't know why they should get the win. If you found out I cheated on a test, do I get to keep the score and pay a fine?!?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 12:01:18 AM
Thoughts on the patriots cheating yet again?


And does each time hold the balls for their own offensive possessions?
The colts stunk, no matter what type of balls were thrown would not have made a difference.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 12:02:15 AM
lol.



I don't know why they should get the win. If you found out I cheated on a test, do I get to keep the score and pay a fine?!?
38 point differential
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 12:16:48 AM
The colts stunk, no matter what type of balls were thrown would not have made a difference.
True but that is not the point.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
38 point differential
True but that is not the point.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 12:18:43 AM
True but that is not the point.
Anyhow regardless, its embarrassing for the NFL that they don't have a system in place to prevent this.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2015, 12:20:35 AM
38 point differential
So if it was a 3 point differential then the outcome of the investigation should be different?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2015, 12:21:12 AM
Anyhow regardless, its embarrassing for the NFL that they don't have a system in place to prevent this.
True, why aren't the balls under referee control?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 12:24:47 AM
In all sports teams do what they can to get an advantage. I look at it as pushing the limits and not actually cheating.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 12:28:42 AM
So if it was a 3 point differential then the outcome of the investigation should be different?
Not necessarily, I was referring to the point differential in regard to the final outcome of the game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2015, 12:29:45 AM
In all sports teams do what they can to get an advantage. I look at it as pushing the limits and not actually cheating.
Is that true for corking the bat or spitting on the ball as long as you're not caught? Difference being?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 12:29:59 AM
True, why aren't the balls under referee control?
I guarantee you that they will be locked up during the superbowl ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 12:30:59 AM
Is that true for corking the bat or spitting on the ball as long as you're not caught? Difference being?
No difference.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 12:34:35 AM
Is that true for corking the bat or spitting on the ball as long as you're not caught?
Spitting on the ball yes, corking no. I guess it is like ethics where we all have a different scale.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 21, 2015, 12:41:41 AM
Spitting on the ball yes, corking no. I guess it is like ethics where we all have a different scale.
Lol, I was just about to say, take it to the Is It Ethical? thread.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 12:43:53 AM
Lol, I was just about to say, take it to the Is It Ethical? thread.
You could almost look at it as violating the T&C's.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 21, 2015, 08:09:37 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/20/report-nfl-found-11-of-12-patriots-footballs-under-inflated/
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 21, 2015, 08:17:24 AM
You could almost look at it as violating the T&C's.
I think it would depend on if other teams do this also. If no-one ever does this and its a clear attempt at violating rules then i dont think it can be viewed as just violating the T&Cs. Also the idea that it was a blowout should effect how they handle this makes no sense. If anything the fact that they cheated when they didn't need to makes it even worse.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 08:47:14 AM
Isn't this more like corking a bat?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2015, 09:11:52 AM
Isn't this more like corking a bat?
Yes.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 09:15:26 AM
How cool would it be if they suspended Belichek from the super bowl
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 21, 2015, 09:19:45 AM
How cool would it be if they suspended Belichek from the super bowl
Not happening. I think the best way they could punish him, though they never will, would be to do something similar to college football and take away cap space
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 09:20:02 AM
How cool would it be if they suspended Belichek from the super bowl
He knew nothing.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 09:20:58 AM
Isn't this more like corking a bat?
Not at all.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 09:26:58 AM
Not at all.
Because....
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 09:31:47 AM
Because....
A player gets caught with the bat gets thrown out of the game. Getting caught with not properly inflated ball means nothing. Also some quarterbacks (AR for one) feel an underinflated ball is a disadvantage.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 09:35:43 AM
How cool would it be if they suspended Belichek from the super bowl
probably they'll just lose a draft pick
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 21, 2015, 09:46:02 AM
probably they'll just lose a draft pick
Agree and some money which won't hurt them much. At a certain point they Need to be penalized for constantly cheating and trying to get around the rules it is bad for the game.
Look at the can of worms this is opening before the superbowl http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/brad-johnson-paid-a-bribe-to-tamper-with-footballs-at-the-super-bowl/
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2015, 10:25:44 AM
A player gets caught with the bat gets thrown out of the game. Getting caught with not properly inflated ball means nothing. Also some quarterbacks (AR for one) feel an underinflated ball is a disadvantage.
And getting caught with 11 underinflated balls that had been inflated earlier means...?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 10:36:48 AM
And getting caught with 11 underinflated balls that had been inflated earlier means...?
Earlier they checked them when then were warm then in the cold weather they lose pressure. We have the opposite problem with soccer balls.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2015, 10:38:03 AM
Amazingly the weather only affected nearly every Pats ball and no colts balls.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 10:39:54 AM
 
Amazingly the weather only affected nearly every Pats ball and no colts balls.
;) Convenient  ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2015, 10:45:26 AM
Amazingly the weather only affected nearly every Pats ball and no colts balls.
Were the Colts balls checked after the game?

ETA: I hope no one thinks I am defending what they did. Based on their past history there is little to no chance this was an accident. The problem is the rules have no teeth. Have them forfeit the game and this nonsense will stop.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: rots5 on January 21, 2015, 11:16:53 AM
these is great pre sb stories, otherwise its plain and boring.

Love todays news too: buks QB brad J said that he did this.... http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/bucs/bucs-qb-johnson-paid-to-have-footballs-altered-before-sb-37/2214490
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 12:48:04 PM
Were the Colts balls checked after the game?

ETA: I hope no one thinks I am defending what they did. Based on their past history there is little to no chance this was an accident. The problem is the rules have no teeth. Have them forfeit the game and this nonsense will stop.
Heard on mike and mike this morning from a ref who had clearly spoken to the refs from the game. He said that the balls were tested at half time and all the patriots balls were under inflated (11 by more than two pounds) while all the colts balls were OK. He assumes that the balls were fixed after this discovery
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: DP7 on January 21, 2015, 12:51:34 PM
The colts stunk, no matter what type of balls were thrown would not have made a difference.

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4776781/colts-te-under-inflated-balls-didnt-impact-result
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 21, 2015, 01:37:15 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4776781/colts-te-under-inflated-balls-didnt-impact-result
Irrelevant if it actually impacted. The intent we clearly there edgy rise would they do it. it's like saying someone shouldn't be suspended for steroids because they he was terrible.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 03:01:33 PM
I have two theories on how they did it.

Theory one: They inflated the balls right before with very hot air.  Over time, the air cooled and deflated.  But the refs couldn't feel it when they tested, since footballs are fairly insulated.

Theory two: They inflated the balls with 10 lbs of air, and another 3 pounds of some other gas that permeates rubber more easily, so that by game time the other gas had leaked out.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 21, 2015, 03:26:00 PM
I have two theories on how they did it.

Theory one: They inflated the balls right before with very hot air.  Over time, the air cooled and deflated.  But the refs couldn't feel it when they tested, since footballs are fairly insulated.

Theory two: They inflated the balls with 10 lbs of air, and another 3 pounds of some other gas that permeates rubber more easily, so that by game time the other gas had leaked out.
Maybe you should give roger a call
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 03:34:48 PM
Maybe you should give roger a call

maybe Bill should give me a call
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: momo on January 21, 2015, 03:39:17 PM
I have two theories on how they did it.

Theory one: They inflated the balls right before with very hot air.  Over time, the air cooled and deflated.  But the refs couldn't feel it when they tested, since footballs are fairly insulated.

Theory two: They inflated the balls with 10 lbs of air, and another 3 pounds of some other gas that permeates rubber more easily, so that by game time the other gas had leaked out.
Or the equipment manager had a pin in his pocket, and before the balls were put into play, he let out the air. I do not think that it needs to be as complicated, as you are making it, though i could be wrong.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 04:30:34 PM
Or the equipment manager had a pin in his pocket, and before the balls were put into play, he let out the air. I do not think that it needs to be as complicated, as you are making it, though i could be wrong.

They're kept in the custody of the "approved ball handlers for each team."  My understanding is that it is supposed to be impossible to tamper with them between the inspection and game, which is the point of the inspection, and the reason people are trying to figure out how they did it. http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/20/nfl-says-patriots-used-under-inflated-footballs/7UlPZI3eotRTBadM89saeO/story.html
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 05:03:25 PM
They're kept in the custody of the "approved ball handlers for each team."  My understanding is that it is supposed to be impossible to tamper with them between the inspection and game, which is the point of the inspection, and the reason people are trying to figure out how they did it. http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/20/nfl-says-patriots-used-under-inflated-footballs/7UlPZI3eotRTBadM89saeO/story.html
Nice article, one quote for anyone who says the game should be redone

The Patriots led, 17-7, at intermission, and outscored the Colts, 28-0, after the officials seemingly corrected the ball issue.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 05:04:16 PM
Also
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 09:30:49 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/21/report-colts-had-inflation-concerns-in-november-matchup-with-patriots/
Shocked that this wasn't the first time
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 21, 2015, 10:42:47 PM
I have two theories on how they did it.

Theory one: They inflated the balls right before with very hot air.  Over time, the air cooled and deflated.  But the refs couldn't feel it when they tested, since footballs are fairly insulated.

Theory two: They inflated the balls with 10 lbs of air, and another 3 pounds of some other gas that permeates rubber more easily, so that by game time the other gas had leaked out.

One of my colleagues suggested a third theory.

Theory three: They injected a combination of chemicals which, reacting together, produce coldness.  So that it still hadn't reacted enough to make the air cold enough to reduce the pressure when it was tested, but then by game time the air inside was very cold and reduced the pressure.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 10:49:17 PM
You guys are funny. The balls are held by a team employee after they are inspected (is that unfathomably stupid? Yes. But that's what happens). Someone let the air out. Simple as that
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2015, 11:01:46 PM
Who knows how many other sneaky cheating things Bill "Nixon" Bellicheat has done to get to the SB.

Don't forget the rumors that he videotaped the Rams SB walkthrus.

The SB should be Colts/Seahawks, Bellicheat has to get punished, sadly that ain't gonna happen.

Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: casualchurner on January 21, 2015, 11:08:45 PM
Who knows how many other sneaky cheating things Bill "Nixon" Bellicheat has done to get to the SB.

Don't forget the rumors that he videotaped the Rams SB walkthrus.

The SB should be Colts/Seahawks, Bellicheat has to get punished, sadly that ain't gonna happen.
What would you suggest? Suspend him for the SB? Or push off suspension for part or whole of next season? Draft picks?
ETA: Remember, the Pats have been busted for or suspected of stuff numerous times....repeat offender
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
I assume they'll get the same punishment as spy gate. A first rounder. Half a mill for the team and bellicheck. In the end of the day it's a slap on the wrist
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 11:40:48 PM
I assume they'll get the same punishment as spy gate. A first rounder. Half a mill for the team and bellicheck. In the end of the day it's a slap on the wrist
Could be worse, a first round draft pick was the punishment for spygate
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2015, 11:45:09 PM
What would you suggest? Suspend him for the SB? Or push off suspension for part or whole of next season? Draft picks?
ETA: Remember, the Pats have been busted for or suspected of stuff numerous times....repeat offender
Honestly, I think fair punishment would be to put the Colts in the SB. Nixon had to resign the presidency. So does this paranoid Nixon have to lose the opportunity to play the SB. I hate Beliichek's guts. What a Baal Gaavah!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 11:46:59 PM
Honestly, I think fair punishment would be to put the Colts in the SB. Nixon had to resign the presidency. So does this paranoid Nixon have to lose the opportunity to play the SB. I hate Beliichek's guts. What a Baal Gaavah!
Whoever thinks that other teams arent pulling the same/similar shitck is just plain naive. The pats happened to have gotten caught. Same with Nixon, he got caught.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 21, 2015, 11:50:25 PM
Whoever thinks that other teams arent pulling the same/similar shitck is just plain naive. The pats happened to have gotten caught. Same with Nixon, he got caught.
Bellicheat got caught twice. No one else got caught even once. Coincidence?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 21, 2015, 11:54:34 PM
Bellicheat got caught twice. No one else got caught even once. Coincidence?
Im sure not, Im not saying he doesnt cheat more than everyone else, he might. My point is that im sure there are other teams out there doing similar stuff.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2015, 12:27:20 AM
How come there's no commotion about Marshawn Lynch wearing his gold cleats that were officially forbidden? Check out the replay of his tip toeing the sideline on his almost touchdown at the end of the game.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2015, 12:30:03 AM
Cheating/doing what you want happens all the time in sports. It's just when it gets media attention that the league has to exact punishment, at risk of losing accountability.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: yoruel on January 22, 2015, 04:56:10 PM
Wow.
What do you think to brady's press conference?

I think they are lying.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 22, 2015, 05:57:50 PM
Brady is I think they are lying.
FTFY
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2015, 06:38:26 PM
He's probably stretching the truth a little, but then again, this entire story is totally blown out of proportion.

Having the ball slightly more deflated is in no way cheating, more than Brad Johnson paid to have the footballs used in the Super Bowl get worn in.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 22, 2015, 07:15:29 PM
He's probably stretching the truth a little, but then again, this entire story is totally blown out of proportion.

Having the ball slightly more deflated is in no way cheating, more than Brad Johnson paid to have the footballs used in the Super Bowl get worn in.
Disagree. It's against the rules for a reason and some one knowingly decked the balls against the rules to gain an advantage hire idea that not cheating? And cheating is cheating there's no arbitrary lines of what's not a big deal. It effected the integrity of the game and I doubt he got caught the first time he did it.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: casualchurner on January 22, 2015, 07:20:12 PM
Don't believe Brady at all.  >:(  How could he say that he prefers footballs at 12.5 psi yet somehow he wasn't able to tell the difference when the ball was 2 psi below what he normally has? Does he even know what a 12.5 psi football feels like?!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 22, 2015, 07:26:46 PM
And cheating is cheating there's no arbitrary lines of what's not a big deal. It effected the integrity of the game and I doubt he got caught the first time he did it.
In a black and white world you would be correct.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 22, 2015, 08:12:09 PM
Just finished watching Brady press conference. People always make the same mistake. They get caught and their reaction is tot lie and it just makes it so much worse and easier to prove. That press conference was so bad and made no sense. If i had any doubt before there is zero chance he's not lying
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 22, 2015, 08:14:24 PM
Don't believe Brady at all.  >:(  How could he say that he prefers footballs at 12.5 psi yet somehow he wasn't able to tell the difference when the ball was 2 psi below what he normally has? Does he even know what a 12.5 psi football feels like?!
Agree. And a Colts defender caught one interception and was able to tell...
And he has no idea who handles the balls after he chooses them and in the last 4 days with scandal brewing he didn't bother to find out...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 22, 2015, 10:51:48 PM
It's the fake world we live in that makes him lie. If Brady would admit it, he would be suspended from the Super Bowl, and who knows what else. The power of standing up and owning up to your mistakes is just not looked up to nowadays. People are either perfect, or outcasts.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 23, 2015, 08:12:18 AM
It's the fake world we live in that makes him lie. If Brady would admit it, he would be suspended from the Super Bowl, and who knows what else. The power of standing up and owning up to your mistakes is just not looked up to nowadays. People are either perfect, or outcasts.
Completely disagree. Pettite The one guy who owned up to steriod use when caught got a lot of respect for that. If he would've got up there and said i made a big mistake I'll accept my punishment and will never do it again. He would gain a lot of respect and after his punishment people would move on. Now that he lied and an obvious lie the blood hounds are out and he has killed his legacy.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 23, 2015, 10:15:35 AM

Completely disagree. Pettite The one guy who owned up to steriod use when caught got a lot of respect for that. If he would've got up there and said i made a big mistake I'll accept my punishment and will never do it again. He would gain a lot of respect and after his punishment people would move on. Now that he lied and an obvious lie the blood hounds are out and he has killed his legacy.


While what you say is true, were Pettite to be accused a day before he was slated to pitch Game 7 of the World Series, i doubt he would say anything that would possibly get him suspended. His whole career is for this game, he won't let anything stop him.

I doubt this will kill Brady's legacy either. When Jeter faked getting hit by the pitch, that was shocking to many people who thought of him as a model citizen, but it didn't ruin his legacy.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2015, 10:25:20 AM
I doubt this will kill Brady's legacy either.
Will have no effect unless he loses the SB then it will be cheaters proof.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 23, 2015, 10:51:39 AM
So what's more likely:

Scenario 1:  Patriots figured out a way to deflate the balls pre-game, and (for some reason) deflated 11/12 of them. Not one referee noticed the entire time, but one player on the other side noticed.

Moreover, is it likely that a QB would want the balls in a playoff game to be different in any way from the balls he has been using in every other game? Even if they are objectively better, there would still be some adjustment and unfamiliarity for him. So you need to say he has been doing this in every single game and nobody ever noticed?

Moreover, does it make sense that NFL regulations require footballs to be inflated in a way that is suboptimal for throwing and catching?

Scenario 2: Someone figured out how to convince the referees to deflate them after they were seized, or, someone gained access and deflated them after they were seized.

I frankly thing scenario 2 makes more sense.

In other news, the Pats have not lost a superbowl since I moved to boston.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2015, 10:55:05 AM
I frankly thing scenario 2 makes more sense.
How about Scenario 3: You have a vivid imagination?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 23, 2015, 11:05:33 AM
How about Scenario 3: You have a vivid imagination?

That was already included in both scenarios.

Anyway, DDF superbowl tailgating DO?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 23, 2015, 11:30:37 AM
Will have no effect unless he loses the SB then it will be cheaters proof.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 23, 2015, 11:56:36 AM
So what's more likely:

Scenario 1:  Patriots figured out a way to deflate the balls pre-game, and (for some reason) deflated 11/12 of them. Not one referee noticed the entire time, but one player on the other side noticed.

Moreover, is it likely that a QB would want the balls in a playoff game to be different in any way from the balls he has been using in every other game? Even if they are objectively better, there would still be some adjustment and unfamiliarity for him. So you need to say he has been doing this in every single game and nobody ever noticed?

Moreover, does it make sense that NFL regulations require footballs to be inflated in a way that is suboptimal for throwing and catching?

Scenario 2: Someone figured out how to convince the referees to deflate them after they were seized, or, someone gained access and deflated them after they were seized.

I frankly thing scenario 2 makes more sense.

In other news, the Pats have not lost a superbowl since I moved to boston.
Boston - the city with the most vivid imagination this week. The slaying of the Gods. It's gonna take time to settle in.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 23, 2015, 01:20:00 PM
Boston - the city with the most vivid imagination this week. The slaying of the Gods. It's gonna take time to settle in.

If you can't dream, you can't win.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 23, 2015, 02:37:26 PM
So what's more likely:

Scenario 1:  Patriots figured out a way to deflate the balls pre-game, and (for some reason) deflated 11/12 of them. Not one referee noticed the entire time, but one player on the other side noticed.

Moreover, is it likely that a QB would want the balls in a playoff game to be different in any way from the balls he has been using in every other game? Even if they are objectively better, there would still be some adjustment and unfamiliarity for him. So you need to say he has been doing this in every single game and nobody ever noticed?

Moreover, does it make sense that NFL regulations require footballs to be inflated in a way that is suboptimal for throwing and catching?

Scenario 2: Someone figured out how to convince the referees to deflate them after they were seized, or, someone gained access and deflated them after they were seized.

I frankly thing scenario 2 makes more sense.

In other news, the Pats have not lost a superbowl since I moved to boston.
Im going to assume you are joking but i think what is very likely is he deflates the ball in bad weather often and this time they deflated more balls than usual. It's my nanny cam svara "you don't have awesome babysitter who happened to have a really bad day the one time you recorded her"
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 23, 2015, 04:12:55 PM
Actually I am serious. You think he wants to play different games with differently inflated balls?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 23, 2015, 04:16:16 PM
Actually I am serious. You think he wants to play different games with differently inflated balls?
Yes. Have you ever played football in the cold? The harder the ball is - the tougher it is to catch. Every elementary school kid knows that.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
Yes. Have you ever played football in the cold? The harder the ball is - the tougher it is to catch. Every elementary school kid knows that.
What about throwing?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 23, 2015, 05:16:48 PM
Why is giving the officials an under inflated ball and hoping it passes inspection, any worse than Aaron Rodgers admission of giving an over inflated ball, and hoping it passed inspection?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 24, 2015, 07:44:13 PM
There definitely is a legitimate possibility that somehow by mistake, the way the balls were blown up, caused them to to deflate. Or where they were blown up caused it. I'm not a scientist.
Why am I bashing Bellicheck, before there's proof he did it?
Because the heartless moralless media is bashing him?
Shame on me.

(Obviously as a repeat offender, I believe there is a good chance that Bellichek was involved, and it was intentional)

I don't think כך עונשו של בדאי שאפילו אמר אמת אין שומעין לו means that it is correct to assume as a fact, that someone who did something wrong, repeated himself.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 24, 2015, 08:36:41 PM
Actually I am serious. You think he wants to play different games with differently inflated balls?
Definitely. in bad weather he needs to  grip better
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 24, 2015, 08:37:50 PM
There definitely is a legitimate possibility that somehow by mistake, the way the balls were blown up, caused them to to deflate. Or where they were blown up caused it. I'm not a scientist.
Why am I bashing Bellicheck, before there's proof he did it?
Because the heartless moralless media is bashing him?
Shame on me.

(Obviously as a repeat offender, I believe there is a good chance that Bellichek was involved, and it was intentional)

I don't think כך עונשו של בדאי שאפילו אמר אמת אין שומעין לו means that it is correct to assume as a fact, that someone who did something wrong, repeated himself.
That maybe would be a possibly if Brady's press conference wasn't rife with inconsistencies and statements that are really hard to believe at best
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 24, 2015, 08:43:58 PM
Definitely. in bad weather he needs to  grip better

I don't buy it.  When you play the big game, you want everything to be exactly the way you are used to.  Even if it is objectively better, it isn't what he's used to.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 24, 2015, 09:09:21 PM
I don't buy it.  When you play the big game, you want everything to be exactly the way you are used to.  Even if it is objectively better, it isn't what he's used to.
Who said that's not what he's used to using in bad weather?
Did you really believe he wasn't lying in that press conference?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 24, 2015, 09:13:58 PM
Who said that's not what he's used to using in bad weather?
Did you really believe he wasn't lying in that press conference?

And nobody EVER noticed? And he has some trick to access the balls EVERY game?

Yes, I really believe he wasn't lying that press conference. The more I think about this one, the more likely it seems that it's a frame.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2015, 09:46:36 PM
He doesn't need a trick to access the balls. They are under team control after being inspected
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 24, 2015, 09:47:48 PM
And nobody EVER noticed? And he has some trick to access the balls EVERY game?

Yes, I really believe he wasn't lying that press conference. The more I think about this one, the more likely it seems that it's a frame.
Take your conspiracy theories  back to the vaccination thread😜
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 24, 2015, 09:51:42 PM
He doesn't need a trick to access the balls. They are under team control after being inspected

I've seen conflicting information on that. 

In all events, I still don't believe that nobody would have ever noticed if he was doing this every single game.

And why 11 out of 12? You think he wants to not know when he's getting a ball which one its going to be? Or did they just forget to deflate one before the finals game?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2015, 09:56:22 PM
I heard that all 12 were under inflated, just 11 were more than 2 psi under
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 24, 2015, 09:57:25 PM
I heard that all 12 were under inflated, just 11 were more than 2 psi under

So he doesn't care if they aren't all inflated the same amount? Or they just haphazardly pull out a bit of air and however much it is it is.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2015, 09:59:44 PM
I don't think you need to be prepared for how under inflated it will be. It just provides better grip
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 24, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
I don't think you need to be prepared for how under inflated it will be. It just provides better grip

I dunno. It would seem to me that better grip is also something you'd want to be accustomed to. It affects how the ball leaves your hand.

And are all the players in on this, or do they not know what to expect when they catch it?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 24, 2015, 11:09:07 PM
I dunno. It would seem to me that better grip is also something you'd want to be accustomed to. It affects how the ball leaves your hand.

And are all the players in on this, or do they not know what to expect when they catch it?
My guess is he pushed the envelope a little more than he usually does either by doing it to more balls out deflating then a little more because of the importance of the game
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 24, 2015, 11:22:26 PM
My is he pushed the envelope a little more than he usually does either by doing it to more balls out deflating then a little more because of the importance of the game

I just don't buy that he would want a ball that feels different than the other balls he is using in ohter games or in this game.  Even if it has better grip.  That better grip will make him mess up his throws since it leaves your hand differently
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 25, 2015, 01:16:00 AM
Just heard a caller mention about BenJarvis Green-Ellis, who never fumbled in his Patriot career,  who then went to Cincinnati and fumbled quite often...  As a Patriot fan this is the first thing I heard that got me worried
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Wolfbalden on January 25, 2015, 01:27:51 AM
relly like to watch Brady play, truly one of the greats, if not the greatest today but.....

I simply dont believe a word he or Belichick say ever. Certainly not in this case. The QB dictates exactly how he wants the balls. He would NEVER accept getting balls that dont feel right to him.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2015, 01:45:01 AM
That maybe would be a possibly if Brady's press conference wasn't rife with inconsistencies and statements that are really hard to believe at best
such as?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 25, 2015, 07:44:22 AM
Just heard a caller mention about BenJarvis Green-Ellis, who never fumbled in his Patriot career,  who then went to Cincinnati and fumbled quite often...  As a Patriot fan this is the first thing I heard that got me worried

Really? He NEVER fumbled as a patriot?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 25, 2015, 07:47:00 AM
Correct. He had 0 fumbles as a patriot (although only five for the Bengals)
http://www.nfl.com/player/benjarvusgreen-ellis/929/profile
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 25, 2015, 10:12:49 AM
such as?
He is very particular about exactly how he likes his footballs so he would certainly know when choosing them out anything is wrong. Yet the entire time he was playing he had no idea they were different. Is one example
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 25, 2015, 10:32:40 AM
OK lets cut out all the BS. He got caught doing what a lot of quarterbacks do. End of story!
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2015, 10:40:43 AM
He is very particular about exactly how he likes his footballs so he would certainly know when choosing them out anything is wrong. Yet the entire time he was playing he had no idea they were different. Is one example
weak. Many people are experimenting and trying to feel the difference of 2 pounds psi, and they're saying it don't feel that much different.
Do you realize the amount of focus and concentration a QB has to have from the snap to the pass?
He has to see the last second changes of the defense, see where the pressure is coming from, look at his WRs, find one that will be open by the time his pass gets to them, etc. etc. I believe that it is very possible that he wouldn't notice the difference. (Only people with amazing ability to focus in can be NFL QBs, we can't even begin to understand the powers they have of blanking out everything except for their job at hand)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 25, 2015, 10:49:33 AM
weak. Many people are experimenting and trying to feel the difference of 2 pounds psi, and they're saying it don't feel that much different.
Do you realize the amount of focus and concentration a QB has to have from the snap to the pass?
He has to see the last second changes of the defense, see where the pressure is coming from, look at his WRs, find one that will be open by the time his pass gets to them, etc. etc. I believe that it is very possible that he wouldn't notice the difference. (Only people with amazing ability to focus in can be NFL QBs, we can't even begin to understand the powers they have of blanking out everything except for their job at hand)
Except that you have all these other QB's, current and former, saying that as a QB you do notice the difference. The fact that a bunch of people 'experimented' doesn't prove anything because those people aren't/weren't QB's in professional football.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 25, 2015, 10:53:33 AM
Except that you have all these other QB's, current and former, saying that as a QB you do notice the difference. The fact that a bunch of people 'experimented' doesn't prove anything because those people aren't/weren't QB's in professional football.
Please link a pro QB who said they'd notice in a game a 2 psi difference.

Plus the guy who intercepted the ball said he did not notice a difference.

Disclaimer: I personally hate the Pats. I just think the media's coverage is sickening.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: mercaz1 on January 25, 2015, 11:37:33 AM
the Pats cant win this pne
if they win next week then ppl will say they got there by cheating and if they lose then ppl will say they cant win without cheating
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 25, 2015, 11:47:40 AM
Correct. He had 0 fumbles as a patriot (although only five for the Bengals)
http://www.nfl.com/player/benjarvusgreen-ellis/929/profile

fair, but not much of a sample, as you note
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 25, 2015, 01:00:01 PM
fair, but not much of a sample, as you note
500+ carries and not one fumble and then the next 500 and 5 fumbles. How much of a sample do you want?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 25, 2015, 01:22:01 PM
500+ carries and not one fumble and then the next 500 and 5 fumbles. How much of a sample do you want?

More than 5? 

5 is nothing. 5 is a fluke.

If with the Patriots he was averaging 30 and then with the bucs was averaging 70, that would be something to talk about.

But he still hasn't had more than 5 in his career.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 25, 2015, 01:35:13 PM
More than 5? 

5 is nothing. 5 is a fluke.

If with the Patriots he was averaging 30 and then with the bucs was averaging 70, that would be something to talk about.

But he still hasn't had more than 5 in his career.
Time to take off the rose colored glasses!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/data-shows-the-patriots-have-fumbled-the-ball-far-less-than#.bbaMGyGAV
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 25, 2015, 02:15:36 PM
Time to take off the rose colored glasses!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/data-shows-the-patriots-have-fumbled-the-ball-far-less-than#.bbaMGyGAV

Maybe the weather in Boston is less conducive to fumbles? Did they run that data? (Compare patriots at home to on the road)

Did they also compare the Patriots players who switch teams?

Look, maybe they do deflate it every single game. But if you can run the numbers better, I don't want to hear about it until they have.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 25, 2015, 02:22:41 PM
Look, maybe they do deflate it every single game. But if you can run the numbers better, I don't want to hear about it until they have.
It don't matter what numbers they run. You can debate all you want if what they did was cheating but what isn't up for debate by any common sense individual is what they did.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 25, 2015, 02:30:00 PM
It don't matter what numbers they run. You can debate all you want if what they did was cheating but what isn't up for debate by any common sense individual is what they did.  ;)

This isn't the first time I've been accused of not having common sense.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 25, 2015, 02:38:44 PM
This isn't the first time I've been accused of not having common sense.
You have plenty of common sense. You choose not to use it in this case.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 25, 2015, 02:40:51 PM
You have plenty of common sense. You choose not to use it in this case.  :)

Probably not the first time I've been accused like that either.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Sport on January 25, 2015, 08:25:35 PM

More than 5? 

5 is nothing. 5 is a fluke.

If with the Patriots he was averaging 30 and then with the bucs was averaging 70, that would be something to talk about.

But he still hasn't had more than 5 in his career.
5 fumbles on 500 carries for a ruNning back is no fluke. That's a pretty significant amount of fumbles.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 25, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
Then again, maybe he got soft hands in his old age.

Is there the opposite scrnario, someone who fumbled occasionally, who then came to N.E. and never fumbled?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 25, 2015, 10:50:34 PM
Ok, here's for all the haters

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/pft-patriots-footballs-may-have-been-closer-115-psi
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 26, 2015, 12:21:11 AM
Ok, here's for all the haters

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/pft-patriots-footballs-may-have-been-closer-115-psi
Has nothing to do with hate. I was rooting for NE. So according to this report the footballs were only a little bit pregnant?  ::)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 08:07:01 AM
Ok, here's for all the haters

http://www.csnne.com/blog/patriots-talk/pft-patriots-footballs-may-have-been-closer-115-psi
I know I'm biased as a jets fan but i have such a heard time believing that even a die hard pays fan watched Brady's press conference and wasn't uncomfortable with it
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 26, 2015, 09:20:19 AM
Ok, this one convinced me http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 26, 2015, 09:35:22 AM
Ok, this one convinced me http://www.slate.com/articles/sports/sports_nut/2015/01/ballghazi_the_new_england_patriots_lose_an_insanely_low_number_of_fumbles.html
Hmmmm...
Time to take off the rose colored glasses!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lindseyadler/data-shows-the-patriots-have-fumbled-the-ball-far-less-than#.bbaMGyGAV
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on January 26, 2015, 09:44:06 AM
Hmmmm...

The first article didn't compare their home and away games to take away local weather effects, as I pointed out above.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2015, 09:50:35 AM
So, can it be that the real reason to deflate is not to fumble? And all the qbs saying that deflating doesn't help in the passing game, are missing the point?
The plot thickens.

Did the line in Vegas move against the Pats since last Sunday?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on January 26, 2015, 09:52:51 AM
Hate the ballghazi name. People died. Stick to deflategate.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on January 26, 2015, 09:54:43 AM
The first article didn't compare their home and away games to take away local weather effects, as I pointed out above.
And it also switched to total fumbles (from only lost fumbles) among other things.

I will say though that anyone that thinks the Pats advantage in this stat is due to deflating footballs alone is crazy. You'd have to deflate it a lot more than one or two PSI to get that result on its own, and if you deflate it too much, you're gonna get caught pretty quickly. More likely is that it's a combination of deflating balls and all the other stuff BB is known for. For years people have talked about his ball-control obsession, and all the practice tricks he uses to get his players ready and sure-handed. We just didn't know that one of his many ball-control tricks was deflating footballs ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 10:28:36 AM
Came here to post these articles and i see i was beaten to it...just want to add when there's a lot of smoke there's a big fire. ...my gut tells me this is going to explode
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Sport on January 26, 2015, 10:35:39 AM
Has the nfl made any statement yet?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 26, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
Has the nfl made any statement yet?
Are you kidding. They want nothing to do with it at this point. We will see after the SB.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 10:46:16 AM
Has the nfl made any statement yet?
Since the one on Friday saying they're going to stall until after the superbowl?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 10:49:43 AM
My question is why has none picked up on these statistics until now. with all the dumb stats they throw at you during games no-one stumbled on this?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: aygart on January 26, 2015, 11:00:33 AM
Hate the ballghazi name. People died. Stick to deflategate.
slate is a far left site. Does this man they are admitting that Benghazi was a scandal or are they saying that this is a fake scandal?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 26, 2015, 12:56:36 PM
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 26, 2015, 02:35:26 PM
Is anyone else sick of DeflateGate? I can't listen to another word
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 02:55:39 PM
Is anyone else sick of DeflateGate? I can't listen to another word
Honesty I'm not though i usually get sick of these media hyped stories real fast. I guess it's because I'm a jets fan 😀
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 07:27:29 PM
Here we go: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/report-nfl-investigation-has-zeroed-in-on-patriots-locker-room-attendant/
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 26, 2015, 07:31:03 PM
Here we go: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/26/report-nfl-investigation-has-zeroed-in-on-patriots-locker-room-attendant/
Probably some loose cannon that did it on his own.  :)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: elit on January 26, 2015, 07:35:49 PM
Probably some loose cannon that did it on his own.  :)
Right prob the same guy who video taped other teams on his own
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 26, 2015, 07:43:03 PM
Right prob the same guy who video taped other teams on his own
NE has a lot of help that take the initiative.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 26, 2015, 09:26:15 PM
As if this is breaking news. Just released now to keep the story alive.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 26, 2015, 09:44:02 PM
As if this is breaking news. Just released now to keep the story alive.
Because the NFL wants nothing more than to have this story overshadow the Superbowl ::). Seriously. Think before you speak
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 26, 2015, 09:44:30 PM
At least the NFL remembered to ask for the video this time
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 26, 2015, 09:48:55 PM

Because the NFL wants nothing more than to have this story overshadow the Superbowl ::). Seriously. Think before you speak

Wasn't an official press release from the NFL. It was a leak.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Ergel on January 26, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
By whom? Someone from the NFL presumably. Unless you're saying that someone from the media had this info earlier and risked losing the lead in order to hold onto it until the story was dying down. Very logical
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: oiseli48 on January 26, 2015, 10:25:48 PM
From what I've read, the VP of the NFL was on the Jets when BB bounced, and has a score to settle with him
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Got a clue on January 27, 2015, 04:04:45 PM
Hmmmm...

http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710/+kylenw


The real stats
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 27, 2015, 05:19:28 PM
http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710/+kylenw


The real stats
He did get one thing right in the article: "Statistics can say whatever you want it to, drolls the dull old axiom."
 
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: henche on February 04, 2015, 02:52:48 PM
Henche went to the parade.  With a partner.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: lunatic on February 04, 2015, 02:55:06 PM
Henche went to the parade.  With a partner.

How many clients did you bill for that time
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 04, 2015, 02:57:58 PM
Henche went to the parade.  With a partner.
just so im clear, what type of partner are we talking about...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: coralsnake on February 04, 2015, 03:00:32 PM
just so im clear, what type of partner are we talking about...
+1  :o ?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2015, 03:58:04 PM
just so im clear, what type of partner are we talking about...
I don't understand the question.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 04, 2015, 04:01:03 PM
I don't understand the question.
Im not a lawyer so when I hear someone did something with a partner I think of other things
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: yoruel on November 30, 2015, 11:47:44 PM
Unreal how the browns lost the game tonight.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on November 30, 2015, 11:50:31 PM
Unreal how the browns lost the game tonight.
You kidding? I predicted it!
CLE sports=Whatever can go wrong will go wrong.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on December 01, 2015, 12:35:45 AM
That slide tho...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2015, 12:38:40 AM
Ironically Manziel probably could have won this game. What an imbecile he is.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: nolahy on December 01, 2015, 12:51:42 AM
But if the kick would have been good all you would hear about is how the the Browns dont need manziel and that davis should start bc 7/10 1 td so it may be a blessing in disguise that he missed the field goal
Title: NFL
Post by: coralsnake on December 01, 2015, 01:07:43 AM
How does this thread not exist?

At least we don't have to hear anymore of "If the Cowboys can run the table now that Romo's back...."
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Adam101 on December 01, 2015, 01:10:56 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48552.0
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: coralsnake on December 01, 2015, 01:12:44 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48552.0
So you're saying we should discuss last years playoffs?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Dan on December 01, 2015, 01:12:57 AM
But if the kick would have been good all you would hear about is how the the Browns dont need manziel and that davis should start bc 7/10 1 td so it may be a blessing in disguise that he missed the field goal
That slide tho...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: yochiek93 on December 01, 2015, 01:28:29 AM
There is the one that TimT found
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=32497.0
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Proisrael on December 03, 2015, 11:55:07 PM
Holy coww Aron Rodgers
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Got a clue on December 04, 2015, 12:15:48 AM
More like holy cow lions defense
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: dealfinder85 on December 04, 2015, 08:40:34 AM
More like holy cow lions defense
+1
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: smurf on December 06, 2015, 02:11:57 AM
More like holy cow lions defense


+1
C'mon, give credit were credit is due. He kept the play alive and made an amazing throw. Yes a hail Mary is very much luck but to throw a ball like that almost 70 yards?
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 06, 2015, 11:20:18 AM
Did you see the d formation? They weren't playing for a hail Mary. They were playing for them to do laterals.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: CS91 on December 06, 2015, 11:36:51 PM
Anyone just see Antonio Brown's punt return TD celebration? Absurd...
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: coralsnake on December 06, 2015, 11:45:47 PM
Anyone just see Antonio Brown's punt return TD celebration? Absurd...
Looked like it hurt.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: CS91 on December 07, 2015, 12:09:26 AM
Looked like it hurt.
"I was just trying to stick it. I wanted to stick to the goal post but I didn't. I'm not upset about the penalty but I gotta be more smarter." -Antonio Brown
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: skyguy918 on December 07, 2015, 12:26:59 AM
Looked like it hurt.
Especially for the woman standing behind the goalpost.
Title: Re: NFL playoffs 2015
Post by: Baruch on December 07, 2015, 08:57:51 AM
J-E-T-S
Jets Jets Jets
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 21, 2015, 12:56:18 PM
New York Giants game losing plays this year:

Dal: 7 seconds remaining
NO: 0 seconds remaining
NE: 1 second remaining
CAR: 0 seconds remaining
ATL: 74 seconds remaining
NYJ: missed tying FG in OT.

that must be some kind of record, no?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: henche on December 21, 2015, 01:03:47 PM
blah blah patriots.  Football is so boring in boston because you know the outcome of the game in advance.  It's almost as if they're cheating.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on December 21, 2015, 01:52:25 PM
New York Giants game losing plays this year:

Dal: 7 seconds remaining
NO: 0 seconds remaining
NE: 1 second remaining
CAR: 0 seconds remaining
ATL: 74 seconds remaining
NYJ: missed tying FG in OT.

that must be some kind of record, no?

I think the Ravens  lost more games in that fashion this season
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on December 21, 2015, 01:53:55 PM
Thank you JJ for officially renaming this thread.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 21, 2015, 02:10:15 PM
I think the Ravens  lost more games in that fashion this season

I count 2  - the Raiders and Jags
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Got a clue on December 21, 2015, 03:34:43 PM
11 of the Ravens games have been decided by 6 points or less..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 21, 2015, 03:43:50 PM
11 of the Ravens games have been decided by 6 points or less..

Let me clarify:

The giants have lost 4 games on lead changing plays within the final 10 seconds. (3 of those on the final play of the game) They lost a 5th on a lead changing play within the 2 the final two minutes.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on January 12, 2016, 09:53:10 PM
Aaaaand... It's official. The Rams are moving to Los Angeles. Chargers have a few days to decide if they want to join them.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on January 12, 2016, 09:58:00 PM
Aaaaand... It's official. The Rams are moving to Los Angeles. Chargers have a few days to decide if they want to join them.
What about the Raiders?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on January 12, 2016, 10:06:01 PM
Only if the chargers decide to stay in San Diego do the Raiders get a chance at it.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: yoruel on January 16, 2016, 11:29:43 PM
IS that a catch?
Rogers is unreal!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2016, 11:32:13 PM
IS that a catch?
Rogers is unreal!
Unbelievable.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: yoruel on January 16, 2016, 11:37:57 PM
now 75 yards!
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2016, 11:38:33 PM
Crazy game.
Had GB not noticed the coin didn't flip they probably would have had the ball first too...
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: beeweegee on January 16, 2016, 11:45:48 PM
Crazy game.
Had GB not noticed the coin didn't flip they probably would have had the ball first too...
Lol ya, was just saying that to someone. This was a crazy one.
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: beeweegee on January 16, 2016, 11:48:39 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/nfl/status/688577953022660609
Title: Re: NFL
Post by: Proisrael on January 16, 2016, 11:57:36 PM
Nuts
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 17, 2016, 07:45:30 PM
What a fitting way to end Brady vs. Manning. AFC title game one last time
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: sharkky on January 17, 2016, 08:08:52 PM
What a fitting way to end Brady vs. Manning. AFC title game one last time
-1     Not fair to Manning    Hes way past his prime, many ppl beleive osweiler should be starting
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 17, 2016, 08:18:43 PM
-1     Not fair to Manning    Hes way past his prime, many ppl beleive osweiler should be starting
So what
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: sharkky on January 17, 2016, 08:36:15 PM
So what
i figured ud say that        So i dont think its a fitting way to end brady vs manning
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 17, 2016, 10:07:44 PM
I think Denver wins next week. Manning rides off into the sunset
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: sharkky on January 17, 2016, 10:20:16 PM
I think Denver wins next week. Manning rides off into the sunset
i hope your right, i fear your wrong
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: sharkky on January 17, 2016, 10:24:22 PM
Btw its not cool that the nhl thread has 3x more posts than the nfl thread  :P :P
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 17, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
Btw its not cool that the nhl thread has 3x more posts than the nfl thread 
The NHL guys r desperate for company.  NFL guys don't need ddf for that they can just talk to their in person friends
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 17, 2016, 10:27:03 PM
i hope your right, i fear your wrong
Was going to say the same
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Lou Bob on January 17, 2016, 10:34:09 PM
Do in Den?
#Omaha
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: sharkky on January 18, 2016, 10:39:50 AM
The NHL guys r desperate for company.  NFL guys don't need ddf for that they can just talk to their in person friends
+1        It looks like the tounge out emojie has diff meaning on tapatalk
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on January 18, 2016, 12:16:32 PM
Do in Den?
#Omaha

Lol!  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: TorontoGuy on January 18, 2016, 12:32:50 PM
The NHL guys r desperate for company.  NFL guys don't need ddf for that they can just talk to their in person friends
-1. We just care more...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Am on January 18, 2016, 01:59:17 PM
http://m.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Los-Angeles-Rams-Launch-Season-Ticket-Deposit-Campaign/dc7272bd-76c8-4d60-a4e4-caf0138f6112
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2016, 02:02:36 PM
http://m.therams.com/news-and-events/article-1/Los-Angeles-Rams-Launch-Season-Ticket-Deposit-Campaign/dc7272bd-76c8-4d60-a4e4-caf0138f6112
all gone
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Am on January 18, 2016, 02:07:28 PM
Seriously? I bought a minute before I posted
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2016, 02:08:01 PM
Seriously? I bought a minute before I posted
Seriously

Sorry, no tickets from venue currently...
Tons of fans are shopping and some may have let their tickets go. You can try again, or you can explore one of the options below.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Am on January 18, 2016, 02:12:15 PM

Seriously? I bought a minute before I posted
#ddfeffect
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yankee123 on January 18, 2016, 05:10:24 PM
I can only buy one..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 18, 2016, 08:35:35 PM
Was able to buy now.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2016, 06:04:34 PM
I think Denver wins next week. Manning rides off into the sunset
Think they'll hold on?
Could there be QB controversy heading into the super bowl.
This game shows how much it hurt new England losing home field
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yhaller14 on January 24, 2016, 06:30:38 PM
Drama
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yhaller14 on January 24, 2016, 06:35:12 PM
Oh well Broncos are in
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 24, 2016, 07:11:04 PM
Oh well Broncos are in
Oh well?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 24, 2016, 07:39:43 PM
Oh well Broncos are in

Gonna be a repeat of their last SB only this time gonna be the Panthers with the rout.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 24, 2016, 08:20:43 PM
Really hard to tell how good CAR is actually playing in this game with Palmer absolutely crapping the bed.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: DP7 on January 24, 2016, 08:35:21 PM

Gonna be a repeat of their last SB only this time gonna be the Panthers with the rout.

Could be. But did you think they had a chance to beat the pats today?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 24, 2016, 08:47:19 PM
Could be. But did you think they had a chance to beat the pats today?

Definitely didn't surprise me.
I thought it was a 50/50 game.

Still think that the Panthers are in another league.

Really hard to tell how good CAR is actually playing in this game with Palmer absolutely crapping the bed.

It's actually pretty easy to see how good the Panthers are.
They make Palmer and Russel Wilson look like college quarterbacks, while Cam makes defenses look like college defenses.

Coincidence?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on January 24, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
However, as they've been all year, they are not good in the second half with big leads. And Arizona is the best in the NFL in the second half. So this is still an interesting game, not to mention that Carolina is indeed mortal...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2016, 09:32:44 PM
Definitely didn't surprise me.
I thought it was a 50/50 game.

Still think that the Panthers are in another league.

It's actually pretty easy to see how good the Panthers are.
They make Palmer and Russel Wilson look like college quarterbacks, while Cam makes defenses look like college defenses.

Coincidence?
Man, you love hyperbole.
Carolina will be 4 point favorite.
Carolina offense will not roll over the broncos.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 24, 2016, 09:38:47 PM
However, as they've been all year, they are not good in the second half with big leads. And Arizona is the best in the NFL in the second half. So this is still an interesting game, not to mention that Carolina is indeed mortal...

42-15
Interesting game it is...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 24, 2016, 09:43:30 PM
Man, you love hyperbole.
Carolina will be 4 point favorite.
Carolina offense will not roll over the broncos.

31-0 at the half vs the Seahawks, 49-15 so far vs the Cardinals, and these are both great teams.
You call that hyperbole?

Broncos D is great but Cam and the D will probably win by 10+.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2016, 10:02:49 PM
Neither of teams are great (hyperbole again)
I agree the panthers are favored, but they have yet to prove that they are in another league
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 24, 2016, 10:34:40 PM
Neither of teams are great (hyperbole again)
I agree the panthers are favored, but they have yet to prove that they are in another league

What use are opinions if everything has to be proven before it happens?
If you ask me, if you plow through the regular season, and then you crush 2 good playoff teams, you are a great team.
And just their style of winning, playing a complete game in all aspects, it seems likely to me that it's another blowout.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 25, 2016, 09:43:41 AM
What use are opinions if everything has to be proven before it happens?
If you ask me, if you plow through the regular season, and then you crush 2 good playoff teams, you are a great team.
And just their style of winning, playing a complete game in all aspects, it seems likely to me that it's another blowout.
I don't see how you could call their win against SEA crushing. Add to that the terrible field/long cleats theory and you could easily say they were outplayed once they were on a level playing field. And that's why I said it's a shame Palmer crapped the bed. Not that there wasn't plenty of blame to spread around, but he had 6 turnovers, and several of those were horrendous - much more on his bad play than the defense's good play.

I happen to agree that the most likely outcome is that they'll blow DEN out, but I don't think their performances thus far are the strongest indicators.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 25, 2016, 10:27:48 AM
What use are opinions if everything has to be proven before it happens?
If you ask me, if you plow through the regular season, and then you crush 2 good playoff teams, you are a great team.
And just their style of winning, playing a complete game in all aspects, it seems likely to me that it's another blowout.

Nothing wrong with opinions. I just think you're wrong.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 25, 2016, 10:45:27 AM

Nothing wrong with opinions. I just think you're wrong.

Only one way to find out :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 25, 2016, 10:53:40 AM
I don't see how you could call their win against SEA crushing. Add to that the terrible field/long cleats theory and you could easily say they were outplayed once they were on a level playing field. And that's why I said it's a shame Palmer crapped the bed. Not that there wasn't plenty of blame to spread around, but he had 6 turnovers, and several of those were horrendous - much more on his bad play than the defense's good play.

I happen to agree that the most likely outcome is that they'll blow DEN out, but I don't think their performances thus far are the strongest indicators.

It was 14-0 after 3 minutes. 31-0 at the half.
They could've went to sleep the entire second half and still won the game.

It's a fact that teams don't play the same way with the lead as they do when they're playing a close game.

Re: Arizona, 7 turnovers, whatever way you look at it, is a big part of CAR's defense. Erase 3 turnovers, 4 turnovers is still a big game for the D.
They put a ton of pressure on the qb, made him throw quickly, make him thread the needle, and they made him pay for bad throws.
How many times do other teams drop easy INT's?

Then the offense was just rolling all night long, there's just too many good things to say about CAR.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 07, 2016, 10:14:50 PM
What use are opinions if everything has to be proven before it happens?
If you ask me, if you plow through the regular season, and then you crush 2 good playoff teams, you are a great team.
And just their style of winning, playing a complete game in all aspects, it seems likely to me that it's another blowout.
So much for that
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on February 07, 2016, 10:29:44 PM
So much for that

+1 look who looks like an idiot now
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on February 07, 2016, 10:36:52 PM
Wow who could have written up this script
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on February 07, 2016, 11:22:19 PM
Wow who could have written up this script
If they were writing a script they could've st least given manning one nice throw
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on February 07, 2016, 11:40:56 PM
@CamNewton U Mad Bro?
@DenverBroncos #YouLikeThat!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: aygart on February 07, 2016, 11:42:46 PM
"I'm gonna drink a lot of Budweiser tonight-thats my priority"

At least choose a good beer!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Denverite on February 07, 2016, 11:45:52 PM
Only one way to find out :)

We just DID and Carolina's offense was totally shut down and they LOST! ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mb1 on February 07, 2016, 11:49:16 PM
"I'm gonna drink a lot of Budweiser tonight-thats my priority"

At least choose a good beer!
How much did that cost?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: DP7 on February 07, 2016, 11:58:56 PM

How much did that cost?

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mb1 on February 08, 2016, 12:12:51 AM
How would she know whether or not they paid him?
Do they run all their deals by the twitter reps?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on February 08, 2016, 12:30:55 AM
He's a classic hick, of course he's gonna drink budweiser.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: DP7 on February 08, 2016, 06:00:44 AM

How would she know whether or not they paid him?
Do they run all their deals by the twitter reps?

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 08, 2016, 07:55:42 AM
So much for that

+1 look who looks like an idiot now

We just DID and Carolina's offense was totally shut down and they LOST! ;)

I am happy that I was wrong (a close game is a heck of a lot more fun than a blowout) and I don't feel like an idiot for thinking it would be a blowout. As stated earlier, it's just opinions, we all have them. That's why we watch the games.

Props to Von Miller and Ware, those guys were dominant and destroyed CAR.

Ps. Did anyone dream that the Broncos would win by 14?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shoobi on February 08, 2016, 09:08:12 AM
Sorry about the idiot comment. I went a little overboard.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 08, 2016, 09:25:31 AM

Ps. Did anyone dream that the Broncos would win by 14?
Nope, Vegas must've made out like bandits.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: good sam on February 08, 2016, 09:48:33 AM
Imus predicted it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 08, 2016, 10:21:08 AM
I am happy that I was wrong (a close game is a heck of a lot more fun than a blowout) and I don't feel like an idiot for thinking it would be a blowout. As stated earlier, it's just opinions, we all have them. That's why we watch the games.

Props to Von Miller and Ware, those guys were dominant and destroyed CAR.

Ps. Did anyone dream that the Broncos would win by 14?

I thought they would win by a score. Never imagined they would dominate the way they didn
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder85 on February 08, 2016, 10:32:00 AM
I thought they would win by a score. Never imagined they would dominate the way they didn
they did dominate, but carolina had the chance to go down and win it at the end. hardly a 14 point game in reality.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: springles on February 08, 2016, 10:32:34 AM
Nope, Vegas must've made out like bandits.
Vegas makes out like bandits regardless of the outcome of the game.  In this contest the money was almost exactly equal on both sides.  Thats what bookmakers generally want.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on February 08, 2016, 10:35:51 AM
Someone who was in vegas last night told me that at halftime people were going in big on Carolina. Oy
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 08, 2016, 10:55:16 AM
I heard on the radio that Vegas (the house) has come out ahead 23 of the past 25 years
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mb1 on February 08, 2016, 11:00:29 AM

Maybe they didn't officially pay him in advance but he's been in the business a long time and knew exactly what he was saying.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CS91 on February 08, 2016, 11:02:41 AM
Someone who was in vegas last night told me that at halftime people were going in big on Carolina. Oy
Yup. You were able to take CAR as a pick 'em at halftime.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: springles on February 08, 2016, 11:55:09 AM
I heard on the radio that Vegas (the house) has come out ahead 23 of the past 25 years
25 of 27, and thats since they started keeping track of this.
This was actually not a great year for the bookmakers.  They did well but paid out on some of the long shot prop bets that hurt them.  The 2 point conversion in particular was bad for them. 
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Denverite on February 08, 2016, 08:55:27 PM
I am happy that I was wrong (a close game is a heck of a lot more fun than a blowout) and I don't feel like an idiot for thinking it would be a blowout. As stated earlier, it's just opinions, we all have them. That's why we watch the games.

Props to Von Miller and Ware, those guys were dominant and destroyed CAR.

Ps. Did anyone dream that the Broncos would win by 14?

Honestly everyone in Denver was terrified they were gonna get killed like two years ago and you're  right it is way more fun when it's close.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoruel on August 08, 2016, 02:56:30 PM
What number starting QB is this for Cleveland since they returned to Cleveland?
RGIII
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on August 08, 2016, 05:28:44 PM
What number starting QB is this for Cleveland since they returned to Cleveland?
RGIII

They said today. I forgot if it was 27 or 29. Either way, far more than the 4 that will be in NE this Sept over the same time.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2016, 01:10:53 PM
It's gameday!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 08, 2016, 01:16:29 PM
You sure? I just pick my home games for the year yesterday. Oops wrong sport.  :P
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on September 08, 2016, 02:07:44 PM
You sure? I just pick my home games for the year yesterday. Oops wrong sport.  :P
The Bears still around? They made some noise in the 80s. Been quiet since....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 08, 2016, 02:52:54 PM
The Bears still around?
No but the Hawks are.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on September 08, 2016, 11:54:18 PM
Nice ending to the beginning of the season!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 09, 2016, 12:46:47 PM
http://dailysnark.com/panthers-loss-browns-now-mathematically-eliminated-playoffs/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on September 10, 2016, 09:57:43 PM
http://dailysnark.com/panthers-loss-browns-now-mathematically-eliminated-playoffs/
on the topic of the Browns http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/anyone-could-win-the-afc-north-except-the-browns/
#goravens
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoruel on September 12, 2016, 03:47:09 PM
What do you feel about new Touch back rule?
Why only 1st 4 weeks of the season?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2016, 03:48:38 PM
on the topic of the Browns http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/anyone-could-win-the-afc-north-except-the-browns/
#goravens
Cleveland Browns: Putting the 0 and 16 in 2016.

Though we all know the Ravens are the real Browns ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on September 12, 2016, 03:54:07 PM
What do you feel about new Touch back rule?
Why only 1st 4 weeks of the season?
I think it will result in more kicks into the field of play and thus more returns; The exact opposite of the intention of the rule.
It is only for 4 weeks to gauge the effect of the rule on the actual kickoffs and returns.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on September 12, 2016, 03:54:22 PM
http://dailysnark.com/panthers-loss-browns-now-mathematically-eliminated-playoffs/

Wow. Good call: http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17531162/cleveland-browns-qb-robert-griffin-iii-injured-reserve-shoulder-injury (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/17531162/cleveland-browns-qb-robert-griffin-iii-injured-reserve-shoulder-injury)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 12, 2016, 04:05:29 PM
What do you feel about new Touch back rule?
Why only 1st 4 weeks of the season?

I don't like the new rule.
Makes football less exciting because it makes far less sense to return anything in the endzone.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 12, 2016, 04:26:34 PM
Cleveland Browns: Putting the 0 and 16 in 2016.
To bad they don't play the Bears.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on September 12, 2016, 10:40:36 PM
To bad they don't play the Bears.
too bad they play the Ravens twice a year 😂. I actually was hoping RGIII would play this week because last year McCown lit up the Ravens
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on September 18, 2016, 10:33:00 PM
too bad they play the Ravens twice a year 😂. I actually was hoping RGIII would play this week because last year McCown lit up the Ravens
my fear almost happened
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2016, 11:44:53 PM
my fear almost happened
Scared me too for a minute. Luckily the run for the #1 pick is still looking good.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on September 18, 2016, 11:45:53 PM
Scared me too for a minute. Luckily the run for the #1 pick is still looking good.
Lol- there's always next year
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 18, 2016, 11:54:22 PM
Lol- there's always next year
This is our year!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on September 18, 2016, 11:57:10 PM
This is our year!
Yea let's keep telling ourselves that. At least we had the cavs already and the Indians are gonna be a lot of fun this October.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2016, 12:13:30 AM
Yea let's keep telling ourselves that. At least we had the cavs already and the Indians are gonna be a lot of fun this October.
You don't think the Brownies can go 0-16?
And where have you been? The Indians are toast :(
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on September 19, 2016, 12:18:12 AM
You don't think the Brownies can go 0-16?
And where have you been? The Indians are toast :(
Oh I definitely think they can go 0-16 I meant we'll get the first pick and then "there's always next year" to win.

You don't think the Indians are gonna make it anywhere? They're still 7 games up. TBH though I haven't been following so closely lately.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2016, 12:29:16 AM
You don't think the Indians are gonna make it anywhere? They're still 7 games up. TBH though I haven't been following so closely lately.
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2016/09/sept_17_the_day_cleveland_indi.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on September 19, 2016, 08:00:24 AM
http://www.cleveland.com/tribe/index.ssf/2016/09/sept_17_the_day_cleveland_indi.html
Pls don't sully this thread with baseball
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2016, 09:18:50 AM
Football will cease to exist at some point in the future but baseball will live on.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on September 19, 2016, 09:34:19 AM
Football will cease to exist at some point in the future but baseball will live on.
Well let us enjoy it while it lasts
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 19, 2016, 09:40:08 AM
Football and baseball will cease to exist at some point in the future but soccer will live on.
FTFY  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on September 19, 2016, 09:46:25 AM
Football will cease to exist at some point in the future but baseball will live on.
Amen to that!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 19, 2016, 02:22:24 PM
FTFY  :)
Baseball will exist as long as America exists.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 19, 2016, 02:27:14 PM
Baseball will exist as long as America exists.
I see a tremendous downturn in LL players/clubs in our area. Soccer on the other hand is exploding. The writing might be on the wall.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 20, 2016, 10:35:46 AM
Bears/Browns in a dog fight.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: tageed-lee on September 20, 2016, 01:19:02 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14355734_1244329442280408_4289434690182864727_n.jpg?oh=e218f4cc75a075a03de73cad2e10fb52&oe=587A5DE6)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 20, 2016, 04:01:56 PM
I was always looking for an easy site to see full game highlights. ESPN and NFL.com are both horrible, especially if you want to view more than 1 game without having to constantly click around. Anyways it seems that google is the best spot to get full highlights in 1 spot.

https://www.google.com/search?q=nfl+scores
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on September 20, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14355734_1244329442280408_4289434690182864727_n.jpg?oh=e218f4cc75a075a03de73cad2e10fb52&oe=587A5DE6)
you forgot Brady! (4 weeks)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 20, 2016, 06:45:09 PM
you forgot Brady! (4 weeks)

Garrapolo is Brady's backup and is better than Manziel or Tebow.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on September 22, 2016, 08:55:07 AM
For y'all Browns fans http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000707306/article/find-the-browns-fan-in-your-life-and-give-them-a-hug
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on September 22, 2016, 10:36:43 AM
For y'all Browns fans http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000707306/article/find-the-browns-fan-in-your-life-and-give-them-a-hug
crazy

suicide pools are just going to keep betting against the browns
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 22, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
Dumb article. Everyone here is rooting for a perfect season, things are going just as planned.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoruel on September 22, 2016, 11:13:03 AM
Should Carolina move the game this week?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on September 22, 2016, 11:18:23 AM
Dumb article. Everyone here is rooting for a perfect season, things are going just as planned.
I've got a hug for you when you're ready.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 22, 2016, 11:19:13 AM
Should Carolina move the game this week?
Does Ferguson have a stadium?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dr Moose on September 22, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
Does Ferguson have a stadium?
You don't need to rub it in.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on September 22, 2016, 06:33:00 PM
crazy

suicide pools are just going to keep betting against the browns
Not sure I can take the dolphins over them this week.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on September 22, 2016, 06:34:39 PM
Not sure I can take the dolphins over them this week.
you have to be in it to win it
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on September 22, 2016, 06:37:08 PM
you have to be in it to win it
Huh?  There aren't many good options this week. Leaning towards PIT.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on September 22, 2016, 07:02:02 PM
Not sure I can take the dolphins over them this week.
I think Mia is pretty safe pick this week
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on September 22, 2016, 08:16:07 PM
Huh?  There aren't many good options this week. Leaning towards PIT.
I mean you have to risk it for the biscuit
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on September 22, 2016, 09:05:30 PM
I mean you have to risk it for the biscuit
Nah no reason to take unnecessary risks. Just need to stick to a strategy.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on September 22, 2016, 10:50:23 PM
Gosh what a waste of a suspension...
#patriotshater
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 26, 2016, 07:34:48 AM
Bears or Browns? Who has a better chance?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on September 26, 2016, 07:36:35 AM
Bears or Browns? Who has a better chance?
It's hard to believe that the browns looked better than the bears!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 26, 2016, 07:40:07 AM
It's hard to believe that the browns looked better than the bears!!!
+1
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on September 27, 2016, 11:03:15 AM
it's been 3 weeks and by now everyone thinks they know who's good and who's bad

Who will make the Playoffs and who will not

Lets get some guessing

Who will be the WORST team this year?
and which 2 Teams will make the SuperBowl?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2016, 11:13:02 AM
it's been 3 weeks and by now everyone thinks they know who's good and who's bad

Who will make the Playoffs and who will not

Lets get some guessing

Who will be the WORST team this year?
and which 2 Teams will make the SuperBowl?

The Brownies gave a me a scare this week, but I think they're in it for the longhaul.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on October 02, 2016, 03:14:07 PM
The Brownies gave a me a scare this week, but I think they're in it for the longhaul.
How is it going now?  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 02, 2016, 04:08:22 PM
How is it going now?  ;)
It's looking great, still on their way to a perfect season
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on October 02, 2016, 04:12:38 PM
It's looking great, still on their way to a perfect season
DaBears blew it.  >:(
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 02, 2016, 04:14:18 PM
DaBears blew it.  >:(
Very unfortunate, I'm very sorry for you.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2016, 04:48:46 PM
How is it going now?  ;)
All's well that ends well. We're in this for the long haul. That's why we passed on Wentz.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on October 04, 2016, 10:28:49 PM
All's well that ends well. We're in this for the long haul. That's why we passed on Wentz.
So you passed on Wentz so.you can have a chance to get someone that maybe like Wentz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on October 20, 2016, 05:23:50 PM
Josh Brown not traveling to London with the Giants as they "review" the new info.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 20, 2016, 06:58:36 PM
So you passed on Wentz so.you can have a chance to get someone that maybe like Wentz
The journey is the goal and the goal is the journey.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on October 27, 2016, 11:07:30 PM
I love this line "If the jags moved to London without telling anybody would NFL fans notice"
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on October 28, 2016, 12:35:30 AM
I love this line "If the jags moved to London without telling anybody would NFL fans notice"
Haha
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 30, 2016, 04:24:21 PM
Browns are just determined to have a perfect season, they continue to find new ways to lose
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on October 30, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Browns are just determined to have a perfect season, they continue to find new ways to lose
If there's anybody who could lose to the Browns it's the Jets.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 30, 2016, 06:12:06 PM
If there's anybody who could lose to the Browns it's the Jets.
They tried their best but it's not easy
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on November 10, 2016, 02:53:10 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/NOTSportsCenter/status/796787496633954304 lol
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: HowYaDoin on November 13, 2016, 11:43:31 PM
Screw Politics.... This was a great Football game...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on November 22, 2016, 05:35:47 PM
Will they pay you to go to a Browns game?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tickets-for-browns-remaining-home-games-going-for-dollar6/ar-AAkDbpc?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on November 23, 2016, 12:39:01 PM
Will they pay you to go to a Browns game?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/tickets-for-browns-remaining-home-games-going-for-dollar6/ar-AAkDbpc?li=BBnb7Kz
Hmmmmm. Tempting. Id love to go to this Sunday's game.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 04, 2016, 09:01:14 PM
Yuuuuge week for the Browns!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on December 04, 2016, 09:41:57 PM
Yuuuuge week for the Browns!
Was the most difficult week for suicide pools.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: SrulyS on December 05, 2016, 03:26:25 PM
Was the most difficult week for suicide pools.
Hey. I am still perfect and I only picked the Browns 3 times :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 24, 2016, 06:47:53 PM
Chanukah miracle!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on December 24, 2016, 07:17:25 PM
Chanukah miracle!
Worst miricale ever. Much rather them go 0-16
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on December 24, 2016, 08:08:18 PM
Chanukah miracle!
Miracle? They lost their perfect season
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on December 25, 2016, 12:04:52 AM
First the Indians disappoint
Now this!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on December 27, 2016, 06:26:34 PM
Rex Ryan fired by the bills. This guy have a future in coaching? Or back to defensive coordinator?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on December 27, 2016, 06:34:53 PM
Rex Ryan fired by the bills. This guy have a future in coaching? Or back to defensive coordinator?
Rex Ryan accepted a job back in New York as Head coach!!
 for ny Lincoln high school team
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on December 27, 2016, 07:01:43 PM
Rex Ryan fired by the bills. This guy have a future in coaching? Or back to defensive coordinator?

They'd easily take him for TV. Very good money and much easier life.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoruel on January 01, 2017, 11:11:29 PM
When does playoff schedule come out?
ETA: After Game tonight.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: SrulyS on January 02, 2017, 08:46:06 AM
Anyone see the NFL.com Top Plays / Week 17 video?
Wow. So many great catches. Toetaps, One-handed grabs, Juggles etc.
http://www.nfl.com/videos#
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 08, 2017, 06:11:09 PM
Unreal. What are the Giants doing?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
Rodgers is a beast.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 08, 2017, 06:12:08 PM
Rodgers is a beast.
Come on all he did was throw it up for grabs.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 08, 2017, 06:43:12 PM
When are the Giants going to get aggressive
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2017, 06:47:47 PM
When are the Giants going to get aggressive
Should get interesting now.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 08, 2017, 06:49:09 PM
And it did :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 08, 2017, 06:58:13 PM
Come on all he did was throw it up for grabs.  :)
Seen him do it too many times to be pure luck
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 09, 2017, 10:36:17 AM
Seen him do it too many times to be pure luck
A jump ball is a jump ball. There was no magic spin on the ball, and it was caught near the ground, not at the apex of a jump. Not every QB can consistently deliver the ball into the endzone, and Rogers obviously can. But let's not pretend like he had much more to do with it than that. If anything, give credit to a receiving corp that keeps coming down with these balls.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 09, 2017, 10:48:40 AM
I will say the height (arc) he gets on the ball gives the receivers a better chance.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on January 09, 2017, 11:19:32 AM
I will say the height (arc) he gets on the ball gives the receivers a better chance.
Definitely. But can we all agree that when he's on, Rodgers is otherworldly good?

I hope they utterly decimate Dallas next week.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 09, 2017, 11:22:18 AM
But can we all agree that when he's on, Rodgers is otherworldly good?
The guy is good especially when he has time to eat a sandwich back there.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 10, 2017, 05:56:57 PM
I'm loving Dallas losing. Will shut up all the Dallas fans thinking this year is different.
And mad dog is going to have a field day with Dez Bryant disappearing in a big game
And the first comment in the thread becoming relevant again. Will Dez finally show up?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on January 10, 2017, 07:10:11 PM
The guy is good especially when he has time to eat a sandwich back there.  :)
+1 his o-line is otherworldly.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 15, 2017, 05:22:37 PM
Same old cowboys? Gotta love it
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 15, 2017, 05:24:26 PM
Rodgers has something to do with it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: chinagel on January 15, 2017, 05:26:43 PM
Rodgers has something to do with it.
theres always s/o that has s/t to do with it
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 15, 2017, 05:43:07 PM
Is that Dandy Don Meredith I hear singing?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 15, 2017, 06:12:27 PM
First playoff TD for Dez. And couldn't have come at a better time
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 15, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
Good thing I didn't get the forks out.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 15, 2017, 06:29:37 PM
Look back to the beginning of this thread. No lead is safe for a Mike McCarthy led team
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 15, 2017, 07:09:12 PM
Aren't you better off going for two on the first score? That way you know how many possessions you need
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on January 15, 2017, 07:09:16 PM
Typical Dallas. Making it seem like that actually have a shot.....before blowing it.

You'll see. ;D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on January 15, 2017, 07:17:54 PM
Typical Dallas. Making it seem like that actually have a shot.....before blowing it.

You'll see. ;D
Haha
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CS1 on January 15, 2017, 07:18:31 PM
Typical Dallas. Making it seem like that actually have a shot.....before blowing it.

You'll see. ;D

nice 34-yard pass for a big td: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/how-in-the-world-did-this-aaron-rodgers-throw-get-through-for-a-td-222021552.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on January 15, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
Game on!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CS1 on January 15, 2017, 07:38:53 PM
Game on!

28-28 with 2 minutes to go?!?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on January 15, 2017, 07:58:05 PM
What a catch!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 15, 2017, 08:01:05 PM
What a game!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2017, 08:01:12 PM
What a game!
+1
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on January 15, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
Typical Dallas. Making it seem like that actually have a shot.....before blowing it.

You'll see. ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 15, 2017, 08:01:50 PM
What a catch!!!
Great catch but he dogged it on that play and the one before it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on January 15, 2017, 08:05:02 PM
Great catch but he dogged it on that play and the one before it.
Great job holding onto that ball on the blind side sack then popping up and calling TO.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: george on January 15, 2017, 08:14:16 PM
Great job holding onto that ball on the blind side sack then popping up and calling TO.
My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: TimT on January 15, 2017, 08:18:00 PM
What a game!
+1
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on January 16, 2017, 07:44:30 PM
😮

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000775178/article/aaron-rodgers-has-reached-michael-jordan-level-of-performance
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 16, 2017, 08:15:13 PM
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/18490085/bettors-300-ticket-green-bay-packers-worth-28000
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on January 16, 2017, 08:23:23 PM
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/18490085/bettors-300-ticket-green-bay-packers-worth-28000
Which ddf members is the article talking about...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on January 19, 2017, 12:41:38 PM
The end of the Raiders...
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000776434/article/oakland-raiders-file-las-vegas-relocation-paperwork

(although some might say there was nothing started to end....)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 22, 2017, 07:41:58 PM
Brady is really putting this GOAT discussion to rest.
(JTZ that was for you)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on January 22, 2017, 07:42:36 PM
Brady is really putting this GOAT discussion to rest.

There is a discussion?  ??? :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 22, 2017, 09:14:10 PM
Brady is really putting this GOAT discussion to rest.
(JTZ that was for you)
Brady who?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 22, 2017, 09:32:11 PM
Well at least I'll have a rooting interest in the superbowl
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 22, 2017, 10:29:33 PM
http://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/18490085/bettors-300-ticket-green-bay-packers-worth-28000

Fools. Ya gotta know when to hold em when to fold em.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 22, 2017, 10:36:24 PM
Fools. Ya gotta know when to hold em when to fold em.
No pain no gain.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2017, 10:43:37 PM
Know when to walk away, know when to run.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ad120 on January 23, 2017, 02:22:11 AM
As long as Brady and Belichick are on the Patriots I will never root for them. Classless and Obnoxious.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 23, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
No pain no gain.

They could continue betting but not before cutting off a nice chunk.
If they are comfortable betting $28k that should've been their initial bet.
They got lost in the hype and threw it all away.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 23, 2017, 10:01:16 AM
They could continue betting but not before cutting off a nice chunk.
If they are comfortable betting $28k that should've been their initial bet.
They got lost in the hype and threw it all away.
You don't understand gambling.  :)
They had a plan and followed it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 23, 2017, 11:17:08 AM
You don't understand gamblers.  :)

FTFY
It's a mental illness that ignores any rational thought.
Hard to understand them.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 23, 2017, 11:29:49 AM
FTFY
It's a mental illness that ignores any rational thought.
Hard to understand them.
See if this helps.
Next year I want to bet the Patriots to go the whole year undefeated. I can make a prop bet and get xx odds. You would be way better off betting the moneyline on the Patriots to win each game and keep rolling it over. Same bet but a much higher payoff doing it the second way.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 23, 2017, 06:39:07 PM
See if this helps.
Next year I want to bet the Patriots to go the whole year undefeated. I can make a prop bet and get xx odds. You would be way better off betting the moneyline on the Patriots to win each game and keep rolling it over. Same bet but a much higher payoff doing it the second way.

The problem is that bet itself is irrational whether you do it in one shot or by betting every week..

1. The odds of the pats going undefeated is very low, so you're just throwing your hard earned money at getting super lucky.
2. Just because you can win more money does not take away from the fact that it's a brand new bet every single week.
You already earned the money, it's yours to lose. There's no difference between blowing $30k you earned through your job or through gambling, at the end of the day you blew $30k that was in your bank account. I always find it funny that gamblers are fine with losing "house money" when the goal of gambling is to make as much money as you can. When you lose, the loss is permanent. When you win, the win is temporary. Totally illogical to gamble when that's the 2 sides of the coin.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: bobby on January 24, 2017, 12:38:31 PM
If anyone is interested in a SB pool with a $50 buy-in please pm me. Payouts are $150 per score change, $250 for 1st and 3rd quarters, $350 for half and balance for the winner. Not sure what the rules of this forum are, but I can post all the information here if it doesn't violate the rules.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 24, 2017, 07:46:51 PM
The problem is that bet itself is irrational whether you do it in one shot or by betting every week..

1. The odds of the pats going undefeated is very low, so you're just throwing your hard earned money at getting super lucky.
2. Just because you can win more money does not take away from the fact that it's a brand new bet every single week.
You already earned the money, it's yours to lose. There's no difference between blowing $30k you earned through your job or through gambling, at the end of the day you blew $30k that was in your bank account. I always find it funny that gamblers are fine with losing "house money" when the goal of gambling is to make as much money as you can. When you lose, the loss is permanent. When you win, the win is temporary. Totally illogical to gamble when that's the 2 sides of the coin.
You look for bets where the risk vs reward you feel is in your favor. He is betting to win it all not stop at a certain point.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: bobby on January 30, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
If anyone is interested in a SB pool with a $50 buy-in please pm me. Payouts are $150 per score change, $250 for 1st and 3rd quarters, $350 for half and balance for the winner. Not sure what the rules of this forum are, but I can post all the information here if it doesn't violate the rules.

Bump. If anyone is interested you can sign up here. I will email you with payment info.

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Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on January 30, 2017, 10:32:14 AM
Bump. If anyone is interested you can sign up here. I will email you with payment info.

http://www.runyourpool.com/join/pool_info.cfm?id=67546&p=123456
I am not sure what the forums rules are either but one thing I am sure of is this is illegal.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: bobby on January 30, 2017, 10:35:08 AM
I am not sure what the forums rules are either but one thing I am sure of is this is illegal.

Don't be so sure. Laws vary from state to state.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 05, 2017, 07:46:49 PM
Wow
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 07:48:17 PM
Guess this will either kill or if a comeback cement GOAT.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 05, 2017, 08:06:35 PM
Guess this will either kill or if a comeback cement GOAT.  :)
I hate the guy but no way this will kill goat.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 08:10:41 PM
I hate the guy but no way this will kill goat.
He will be 4-3. Stick a fork in him.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 05, 2017, 08:19:13 PM
He will be 4-3. Stick a fork in him.  :)
:) wish I could convince myself of that, but as a jet fan I cant be satisfied with anything less than a retroactive forfeiting of all his rings due ti cheating
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 08:33:08 PM
Not that anyone here would care but it was a good halftime show. No politics!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 08:38:04 PM
My daughter just saw Erin Andrews reporting on the sideline...asked if thats Lady Gaga...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 08:39:10 PM
My daughter just saw Erin Andrews reporting on the sideline...asked if thats Lady Gaga...
How old is your daughter? Would she like to go to a concert?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 08:40:19 PM
Not sure if this the right thread but Trump picked NE by 8.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 08:40:56 PM
Not that anyone here would care but it was a good halftime show. No politics!
Im happy she began with a tribute to America medley and left politics out.

Having said that, Im sure the NFL clearly warned her not to do anything stupid...like mention politics.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 08:41:36 PM
How old is your daughter? Would she like to go to a concert?  :)
14 and not with you.  :P
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 08:42:13 PM
14 and not with you.  :P
My daughters would take her.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 09:36:20 PM
https://t.co/C46uzFhD4f
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 09:40:43 PM
Even though I dont want them to win, Im hoping the Pats score a TD here and 2pt conversion because I am boooooored....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 09:42:57 PM
Even though I dont want them to win, Im hoping the Pats score a TD here and 2pt conversion because I am boooooored....
And we have a game  ;D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on February 05, 2017, 09:43:04 PM
Even though I dont want them to win, Im hoping the Pats score a TD here and 2pt conversion because I am boooooored....
Wish granted.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on February 05, 2017, 09:43:29 PM
And we have a game  ;D
Finally!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 09:45:20 PM
Wish granted.
Damn! Have 8-8 final for 50k.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 09:59:47 PM
Unreal catch!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on February 05, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
WHAT! A! CATCH!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2017, 10:01:21 PM
Unreal catch!
+1K
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:01:41 PM
We have a game finally!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 10:01:53 PM
Unreal catch!
Helped out a bit by a leg and an arm.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:02:31 PM
Helped out a bit by a leg and an arm.
Are those stickum gloves?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 10:04:26 PM
OK- lets now see a TD followed by a failed 2 pt conversion....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2017, 10:06:44 PM
Oh well...still time for Pats to lose.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on February 05, 2017, 10:07:34 PM
O EM GEE
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:07:55 PM
Guess this will either kill or if a comeback cement GOAT.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on February 05, 2017, 10:09:47 PM

He will be 4-3. Stick a fork in him.  :)
Ready to eat some crow?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:11:33 PM
Ready to eat some crow?
You have a reading a reading comprehension problem?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:14:35 PM
Damn! Have 8-8 final for 50k.  :)
Can someone have Trump sign an EO stating no overtime?  >:(
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoruel on February 05, 2017, 10:18:17 PM
Do commercial rates go up or down in OT?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:21:42 PM
Do commercial rates go up or down in OT?
Might not have any.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on February 05, 2017, 10:26:13 PM
Unbelievable
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:26:56 PM
31 unanswered points.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2017, 10:33:25 PM
I for one will sleep very well tonight. ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:34:36 PM
I for one will sleep very well tonight. ;)
So will I.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:35:31 PM
Not sure if this the right thread but Trump picked NE by 8.
He should switch jobs.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Moshe123 on February 05, 2017, 10:35:58 PM
Trump moifes
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on February 05, 2017, 10:37:05 PM
The catch that changed the game!

(http://i.imgur.com/CkniuOZ.png)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:38:09 PM
The catch that changed the game!
You can say that about twenty different plays.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: benjie1305 on February 05, 2017, 10:38:26 PM
 ;D

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:42:26 PM
Who is going to be MVP?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoruel on February 05, 2017, 10:44:02 PM
Did the Booo goodell?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 05, 2017, 10:48:36 PM
Did the Booo goodell?
They sure did and he made a quick exit.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 05, 2017, 10:52:21 PM
Another team losing to ne due to a coach out coaching himself... Just run the ball!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 05, 2017, 11:01:05 PM
Was the call to pass on 3rd and 1 worse than Pete Carroll?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on February 05, 2017, 11:07:19 PM
Was the call to pass on 3rd and 1 worse than Pete Carroll?
No. Just the wrong kind of throw
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on February 05, 2017, 11:08:07 PM
Don't bet against the patriots
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2017, 11:08:55 PM
Don't bet against the patriots
I didn't :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2017, 01:24:39 AM
(https://i.gyazo.com/f5ae5c71481d79e17a7d6d0650b3630b.png)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: A3 on February 06, 2017, 03:08:32 AM
The falcons owner though. :(. Leaving his suite early in the fourth, watching his team meltdown from field level. Looked like he is gonna have a heart attack.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 06, 2017, 07:12:04 AM
Greatest game in football history?
Don't think I've ever seen a 25 point comeback in the playoffs, let alone in the SB.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 07:14:45 AM
Greatest game in football history?
Don't think I've ever seen a 25 point comeback in the playoffs, let alone in the SB.
No you haven't seen one. To be GOAT you need to have  two great teams IMHO. Not taking anything away from NE but ATL did a choke job here.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 06, 2017, 07:26:13 AM
No you haven't seen one. To be GOAT you need to have  two great teams IMHO. Not taking anything away from NE but ATL did a choke job here.

How many teams put up 28 pts on NE this season?
Just 1 other team. Falcons choked, but then again, forcing the GOAT coach and QB to rely on lucky catches and 2 point conversions, (winning the coin toss), and OT to win is a huge feat in itself. It took 3/4 game for BB to figure out a defense that was considered one of the worst in the league not so long ago. Still shocked that NE not only won, but also covered the spread.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 07:32:04 AM
The scary part is NE is not done with this run.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 06, 2017, 08:37:22 AM
The scary part is NE is not done with this run.
Yup. And they won without their second best player
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on February 06, 2017, 09:22:14 AM
Greatest game in football history?
Don't think I've ever seen a 25 point comeback in the playoffs, let alone in the SB.

I've heard ppl say this, but I think it's a little overstated in the moment. First of all, it's not the greatest comeback in football history, it's the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history, which was impressive, but would have also been true if they were only down 24-13 at the half. Also, one team dominating for most of the game, and the other team dominating the rest is fun and exciting, but probably not as good a game as a real back and forth with more than one lead change, such as GB-Dal a few weeks ago.

Just my thoughts, definitely biased by my hatred for NE.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 06, 2017, 09:31:24 AM
No you haven't seen one. To be GOAT you need to have  two great teams IMHO. Not taking anything away from NE but ATL did a choke job here.
So the Pro-Bowl is the GOAT? *Eye Roll*

I'll wait for the math experts to weigh in but let me remind you of some other GOAT FACTS
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjxy8mzn4PRAhVG6yYKHV2eBJkQFgghMAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fthe-biggest-shot-in-nba-history-1482235610&usg=AFQjCNHibsv0SlnGPX9TsPMupVbsAqD9Zw&sig2=d7NAPcwUel2aqNroItNj8w
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 09:38:19 AM
So the Pro-Bowl is the GOAT? *Eye Roll*
What does the Pro-Bowl have to do with this?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 09:39:46 AM
I'll wait for the math experts to weigh in but let me remind you of some other GOAT FACTS
Considering what you know about sports history you should wait for the math experts.  :P
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 06, 2017, 09:46:09 AM
What does the Pro-Bowl have to do with this?
If all that matters to you is that the best teams are playing then I'm sure you think the pro-bowl is the best game ever. Or maybe it actually has to do with the events of a game and what's at stake?

Considering what you know about sports history you should wait for the math experts.  :P
I'm sorry we weren't all around in the Pudge Heffelfinger days, but the internet works fine for me.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 09:51:55 AM
If all that matters to you is that the best teams are playing then I'm sure you think the pro-bowl is the best game ever. Or maybe it actually has to do with the events of a game and what's at stake?
To even consider a mistake riddled game like this GOAT because of the ending says it all. Everyone always wants to throw around GOAT to current events because they are young and don't know much about sports history. Then they try and make funny comments to hide their lack of knowledge.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 06, 2017, 10:00:02 AM
To even consider a mistake riddled game like this GOAT because of the ending says it all. Everyone always wants to throw around GOAT to current events because they are young and don't know much about sports history. Then they try and make funny comments to hide their lack of knowledge.  ;)
How about you tell us your GOAT? I'm not suggesting this game was it, but I'm curious which game you have up there.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 10:17:09 AM
How about you tell us your GOAT? I'm not suggesting this game was it, but I'm curious which game you have up there.
That is going to open up a can of worms. One I put in that class is "58" Colts/Giants.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 06, 2017, 10:23:33 AM
To even consider a mistake riddled game like this GOAT because of the ending says it all. Everyone always wants to throw around GOAT to current events because they are young and don't know much about sports history. Then they try and make funny comments to hide their lack of knowledge.  ;)
Nice evasion of my point. You don't need the best players ever to have the greatest game ever.

And there you go again with this everyone garbage... I never said this was GOAT.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 10:31:35 AM
I never said this was GOAT.
Good we are on the same page then.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 10:34:27 AM
And there you go again with this everyone garbage...
Maybe this will help you in the future: Everyone is a singular indefinite pronoun, which refers to a group of people, it is also uncountable.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 06, 2017, 03:02:45 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/man-goes-81-0-on-nfl-picks-wins-dollar1-million/ar-AAmFmBs?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2017, 06:28:30 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170206/9bb385c9247382d930f4f8f3dd28fb4e.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on February 06, 2017, 08:26:54 PM
The way I look at this, is Brady now is 4-2-1 in the SuperBowl.
When you're down by 25 points in the 3rd quarter, I consider that a loss. So he both lost and won this Super Bowl, so I'll give him a tie. 4-2-1.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2017, 08:39:17 PM
LOL, does that make DJT 0-0-1?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 08, 2017, 01:20:02 PM
@JTZ for you https://youtu.be/F5_tHIZan_g?t=1m39s

Michael Jordan who?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on February 08, 2017, 08:17:56 PM
The way I look at this, is Brady now is 4-2-1 in the SuperBowl.
When you're down by 25 points in the 3rd quarter, I consider that a loss. So he both lost and won this Super Bowl, so I'll give him a tie. 4-2-1.
DACOTY contender?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 09, 2017, 12:26:25 AM
DACOTY contender?
https://youtu.be/F5_tHIZan_g?t=1m39s
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on February 09, 2017, 08:52:18 AM

+1 that guy is not watchable
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 09, 2017, 08:55:37 AM

Lol, thought you'd like that. I don't get how he thinks one great comeback game makes him MJ. He lost too many playoffs and superbowls to be MJ.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 09, 2017, 09:27:44 AM
Back to GOAT (not just quarterback) is Brady anyone's pick?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 09, 2017, 09:28:42 AM
Back to GOAT (not just quarterback) is Brady anyone's pick?
Jim Brown. :P
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 09, 2017, 09:47:23 AM
Jim Brown. :P
He is on my list.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 09, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
He is on my list.
Terrible person though, used to go to my grandfathers pharmacy every weekend to buy a pack of stuff for his weekend with his girlfriends when he wan't beating them or his wife...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: coralsnake on February 09, 2017, 11:01:26 AM
Bart Starr won 5 championships in 7 years. Why is he not being discussed here?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on February 09, 2017, 11:58:42 AM
Bart Starr won 5 championships in 7 years. Why is he not being discussed here?
Age of members?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 09, 2017, 12:00:11 PM
Sounds like we need an NFL HoF DO.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on March 28, 2017, 01:23:04 PM
I guess leaping over the line to score a touchdown is completely safe.  ::)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-rule-banning-leaping-fg-blocks-expected-to-pass/ar-BByY4Pj?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 28, 2017, 12:43:35 AM
And with the 12th pick of the NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select statistical elimination from the playoffs.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 28, 2017, 06:41:28 AM
Lol

Serious question. Why didn't they make the same deal with the bears?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 28, 2017, 07:48:24 AM
And with the 12th pick of the NFL draft, the Cleveland Browns select statistical elimination from the playoffs.
...but there #1 is a game changer!  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on June 29, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
Is Kaepernick blacklisted?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Denverite on July 25, 2017, 10:41:53 PM
Is Kaepernick blacklisted?

Pun intended?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2017, 10:45:11 PM
Pun intended?
Not this time.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: aygart on July 25, 2017, 10:46:14 PM
Is Kaepernick blacklisted?
He made himself into a divisive figure. That is never good for a team.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on July 25, 2017, 10:47:36 PM
He made himself into a divisive figure. That is never good for a team.
I agree but teams have overlooked a lot more for a lot less.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: aygart on July 25, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
I agree but teams have overlooked a lot more for a lot less.
Can't help you with that. Don't really follow pro sports. That I even was in this thread is because of a misplaced click.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on July 25, 2017, 11:25:46 PM
I agree but teams have overlooked a lot more for a lot less.

A backup QB that is divisive is always gonna be cut.
Better players get cut for less.
And this Lucky Whitehead guy got cut for nothing.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on September 07, 2017, 08:37:13 PM
Back to football. Lets go Chiefs!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 07, 2017, 08:47:53 PM
Back to football.
Until hockey starts.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on September 07, 2017, 11:57:01 PM
Until hockey starts.  :)
Boo hockey!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2017, 01:17:10 AM
Until hockey starts.  :)

I love hockey but why not both?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 08, 2017, 10:08:22 AM
I love hockey but why not both?
I guess your not a Bears fan. Was painful to watch last year.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 08, 2017, 10:57:23 AM
I guess your not a Bears fan. Was painful to watch last year.

I officially root for the Jets ;D
This year just gonna enjoy watching other teams play.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 08, 2017, 11:16:50 AM
I officially root for the Jets ;D
How's Winnipeg looking this year?  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on September 11, 2017, 08:57:31 AM
And the winningest qb in Cleveland over the past 18 yrs is.....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 11, 2017, 09:05:34 AM
I guess your not a Bears fan. Was painful to watch last year.
Looking better after one game.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 02, 2017, 11:47:37 PM
That killed the spread. Bet you there are a lot of broken TV's right now.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 02, 2017, 11:50:45 PM
That killed the spread. Bet you there are a lot of broken TV's right now.  :)
What do you have against those who bet on the Chiefs :P
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 02, 2017, 11:52:12 PM
What do you have against those who bet on the Chiefs :P
Nothing. Just stating the facts!  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2017, 12:04:19 PM
Nothing. Just stating the facts!  :)
https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2017/10/3/16408988/justin-houstons-late-td-in-chiefs-game-was-worth-100000-to-one-gambler
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on October 15, 2017, 09:16:31 PM
very frustrating when thought ur team had no chance and they surprise you but get hosed by the refs
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 15, 2017, 09:21:35 PM
Maybe this will be the year?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: EJB on October 15, 2017, 09:27:35 PM
Maybe this will be the year?

That the browns end the season with a winless record? Almost happened last year :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: gingyguy on October 15, 2017, 09:37:40 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21035352/colin-kaepernick-files-grievance-nfl-owners-collusion
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on October 15, 2017, 09:50:05 PM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21035352/colin-kaepernick-files-grievance-nfl-owners-collusion
pls don't spoil this football thread with that nonsense
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 15, 2017, 09:54:03 PM
Take it to the election thread.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on October 16, 2017, 12:06:35 AM
Maybe this will be the year?
Do you know the answer to this?
And the winningest qb in Cleveland over the past 18 yrs is.....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 17, 2017, 11:59:42 AM
Name one please!


(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171017/0fe7c19a758c624b406f61e515328bfd.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 17, 2017, 12:06:05 PM
Name one please!
To watch the visiting team.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 22, 2017, 04:16:56 PM
So close.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 22, 2017, 04:23:44 PM
So close.
Rafi and Talias first browns game. Good initiation.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 22, 2017, 05:09:37 PM
Rafi and Talias first browns game. Good initiation.
Hopefully they had a good time.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on October 22, 2017, 05:42:16 PM
Hopefully they had a good time.
What's not good about drunk men cursing?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on October 22, 2017, 06:47:37 PM
I'm at Heinz Field where a man just walked out of my section with a bloody face.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on October 22, 2017, 08:21:40 PM
I'm at Heinz Field where a man just walked out of my section with a bloody face.
Maybe it was ketchup?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on October 22, 2017, 08:25:45 PM
The guy was literally getting repeatedly socked in the face by some drunk idiot until other fans separated the 2 of them. Seriously, NFL stadiums are disgusting places and not at all family friendly. Was initially going to take my nephew but glad I ended up going with a friend.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on October 22, 2017, 08:34:52 PM
The guy was literally getting repeatedly socked in the face by some drunk idiot until other fans separated the 2 of them. Seriously, NFL stadiums are disgusting places and not at all family friendly. Was initially going to take my nephew but glad I ended up going with a friend.
Crazy
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 22, 2017, 09:36:40 PM
The guy was literally getting repeatedly socked in the face by some drunk idiot until other fans separated the 2 of them. Seriously, NFL stadiums are disgusting places and not at all family friendly. Was initially going to take my nephew but glad I ended up going with a friend.
What's not good about drunk men cursing?
...and fighting!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 22, 2017, 10:15:24 PM
Am I the only one getting bad reception?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on October 22, 2017, 10:29:27 PM
Am I the only one getting bad reception?
u referring to the gray?... they finally just said its fog. I thought it was something wrong with my computer
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on October 22, 2017, 10:32:39 PM
now they've switched to funny angles to get around  the fog
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 22, 2017, 10:33:24 PM
u referring to the gray?... they finally just said its fog. I thought it was something wrong with my computer
Thanks, now I can hold off getting new glasses.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on October 22, 2017, 10:34:56 PM
Thanks, now I can hold off getting new glasses.  :)
lol... felt like I was watching a game from espn classic
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on November 12, 2017, 04:13:21 PM
@ChaimMoskowitz
your thoughts?
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Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 12, 2017, 04:58:35 PM
Didnt watch the game but ouch! Looks like the right call.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on November 12, 2017, 04:59:27 PM
Didnt watch the game but ouch! Looks like the right call.
right call. dumb rule.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on November 22, 2017, 01:40:49 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/amp/
 ;D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 22, 2017, 01:42:35 PM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/fivethirtyeight.com/features/good-news-browns-your-chances-of-making-the-playoffs-are-only-1-in-19-quintillion/amp/
 ;D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on November 22, 2017, 01:50:11 PM
If not for the requirement of this pesky week 12 and 17 ties, you could increase the probability ~80,000x
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on December 04, 2017, 02:13:06 PM
https://deadspin.com/marcus-peters-melts-down-throws-officials-flag-into-st-1820960425

The Jewish comments are pretty funny.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 10, 2017, 02:13:45 PM
will this be the week, cle?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2017, 02:24:12 PM
will this be the week, cle?
Nah, they always have something special up their sleeve in the 4th or OT.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2017, 04:20:02 PM
Nah, they always have something special up their sleeve in the 4th or OT.
:)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 10, 2017, 04:20:58 PM
Nah, they always have something special up their sleeve in the 4th or OT.
epic
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on December 10, 2017, 05:48:06 PM
epic
Protect the streak!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on December 10, 2017, 06:13:25 PM
Indians Cavs and browns have all tied or broke their team win records.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 10, 2017, 07:54:54 PM
Seahawks are classless
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 10, 2017, 08:43:30 PM
Seahawks are classless
What happened now?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2017, 08:48:06 PM
What happened now?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 10, 2017, 08:54:06 PM
Wasn't that a Seattle player getting pelted by Jaguar's fans?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2017, 08:55:31 PM
Wasn't that a Seattle player getting pelted by Jaguar's fans?
I guess they're both classless :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 10, 2017, 09:13:15 PM
What happened now?
oh just diving at the legs of o linemen when the games over, throwing punches, trying to climb into the stands to go.after fans
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 10, 2017, 09:21:42 PM
oh just diving at the legs of o linemen when the games over, throwing punches, trying to climb into the stands to go.after fans
I will give the first two but last one is on the fans.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 10, 2017, 09:24:30 PM
I will give the first two but last one is on the fans.
fans were classless but as a player u cant ever react to it. and the fans were reacting to him do a really classless move. I don't know if you were following but he was ejected for doing it a second time...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 10, 2017, 09:27:54 PM
Only seen what was posted. Was busy watching DaBears win.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 10, 2017, 09:31:23 PM
Only seen what was posted. Was busy watching DaBears win.  :)
on first down a bunch of them dived on the knee led to a big scrum... bunch of penalties were given and Sheldon richardson got thrown out of the game. they finally calm.it down and start second down and he goes and does the same thing... was thrown out and thats where the video picks up
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 07:11:07 PM
Brady is the GOAT
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 07:14:19 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 07:15:40 PM
Brady is the GOAT
Who?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 07:18:11 PM
WOW!
WOW the opposite way.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 07:19:02 PM
WOWOWOWOW
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 07:19:09 PM
Whoever was betting must have had a heart attack!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 07:19:38 PM
WOWOWOWOW
Sure tops baseball.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 17, 2017, 07:21:03 PM
how can u say he doesn't have control when he turns and reaches out.
the league really has over complicated simple stuff really hurts the game
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 07:43:33 PM
Sure tops baseball.  ;)
2016 game 7? Not even close.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 07:54:22 PM
2016 game 7? Not even close.
This was just an everyday game.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 07:58:35 PM
This was just an everyday game.
So was this
https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/09/14/cleveland-indians-walk-win-22nd-consecutive-victory
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 17, 2017, 07:58:40 PM
Sure tops baseball.  ;)
NFL is getting harder and harder to watch. Baseball is getting better and better
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 07:59:41 PM
how can u say he doesn't have control when he turns and reaches out.
the league really has over complicated simple stuff really hurts the game
When you are falling to ground making a catch you have to retain possession even after crossing the goal line. I don't like the rule but it was an easy call.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 08:00:15 PM
NFL is getting harder and harder to watch. Baseball is getting better and better
If you like to watch grass grow.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 17, 2017, 08:01:30 PM


NFL is getting harder and harder to watch. it's so bad that ppl may attempt to say baseball is better

ftfy
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 17, 2017, 08:04:41 PM
When you are falling to ground making a catch you have to retain possession even after crossing the goal line. I don't like the rule but it was an easy call.
he wasn't falling to the ground he turned and reach out for the end zone... replay is not meant for a situation where both teams all fans , the announcers (prob even the refs) think it's a TD until the replay starts taking way too long.... that is not what replays should be for...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 08:18:32 PM
he wasn't falling to the ground he turned and reach out for the end zone...
Watch the reply but clean your glasses first.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 17, 2017, 08:46:25 PM

ftfy
Look, I'm not going to argue which sport is better. That's a matter of taste. But as a fan of both, I can tell you which way I feel each one is going.

You have injuries, injuries, injuries, pass interference, no pass interference, beautiful touchdowns that aren't considered catches, more injuries vs the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees, Cubs, Nationals, Indians, Angels, Red Sox, and many other teams with young generational talents. It's insane.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 08:48:59 PM
You have injuries, injuries, injuries, pass interference, no pass interference, beautiful touchdowns that aren't considered catches,
Love it!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 17, 2017, 09:00:17 PM
Love it!!!
plus 1 beautifully said.
just left out the kneel, no kneel, kneeln fist raised, eating a banana
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 17, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
Look, I'm not going to argue which sport is better. That's a matter of taste. But as a fan of both, I can tell you which way I feel each one is going.

You have injuries, injuries, injuries, pass interference, no pass interference, beautiful touchdowns that aren't considered catches, more injuries vs the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees, Cubs, Nationals, Indians, Angels, Red Sox, and many other teams with young generational talents. It's insane.
completely agree
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 17, 2017, 09:04:43 PM
Look, I'm not going to argue which sport is better. That's a matter of taste. But as a fan of both, I can tell you which way I feel each one is going.

You have injuries, injuries, injuries, pass interference, no pass interference, beautiful touchdowns that aren't considered catches, more injuries vs the Dodgers, Astros, Yankees, Cubs, Nationals, Indians, Angels, Red Sox, and many other teams with young generational talents. It's insane.
plus 1 beautifully said.
just left out the kneel, no kneel, kneeln fist raised, eating a banana
Yup, the trend is definitely shifting back from NFL to MLB.
The NFL is going to continue to go through major issues that will take its toll. Going to be really hard to overcome CTE, kneeling, and other issues.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 17, 2017, 09:24:00 PM
Yup, the trend is definitely shifting back from NFL to MLB.
The NFL is going to continue to go through major issues that will take its toll. Going to be really hard to overcome CTE, kneeling, and other issues.
Trend is shifting? Wake me up when it shifts in baseballs favor. Then been destroyed in the last 30 years.

With all the problems football has the big one they don't have, BORING!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on December 17, 2017, 11:51:08 PM
 rule needs to change.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Proisrael on December 18, 2017, 01:47:06 AM
Trend is shifting? Wake me up when it shifts in baseballs favor. Then been destroyed in the last 30 years.

With all the problems football has the big one they don't have, BORING!!!

Being a Yankee fan most games would not be considered boring. Plenty of the MLB games are but not if you are a fan of certain teams.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 08:30:26 AM
Being a Yankee fan most games would not be considered boring. Plenty of the MLB games are but not if you are a fan of certain teams.
Right up there with golf.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on December 18, 2017, 08:52:27 AM
Right up there with golf.  :)
I thought we are discussing sports here.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CS1 on December 18, 2017, 09:01:27 AM
Brady is the GOAT

Pittsburgh would have won by 4 if the ref had at least allowed the catch to be complete, even if not the actual touchdown. Ball was caught and James was not touched, and he was in complete control.
Link: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000894690/Jesse-James-go-ahead-TD-overturned-ruled-incomplete-pass
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 09:08:17 AM
Pittsburgh would have won by 4 if the ref had at least allowed the catch to be complete, even if not the actual touchdown. Ball was caught and James was not touched, and he was in complete control.
Link: http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/0ap3000000894690/Jesse-James-go-ahead-TD-overturned-ruled-incomplete-pass
1 - No matter the outcome of the game you can't takeaway the last two minute drive by Brady.
2 - Please learn the rule before making inaccurate comments. He never had control. Not even close.

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 18, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
1 - No matter the outcome of the game you can't takeaway the last two minute drive by Brady.
2 - Please learn the rule before making inaccurate comments. He never had control. Not even close.

Item 1. Player Going to the Ground. A player is considered to be going to the ground if he does not remain upright long enough to demonstrate that he is clearly a runner. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete.
agree to the first part. second part is clearly not that simple it took them very long to make that decision and until this year the rule always was it had to be 100%to overturn and clearly since they've turned it over to the league office they have gone away from that and its killing the game imo. can't even celebrate after a td or t.o. because have to wait for the league to look at it
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CS1 on December 18, 2017, 09:25:10 AM
agree to the first part. second part is clearly not that simple it took them very long to make that decision and until this year the rule always was it had to be 100%to overturn and clearly since they've turned it over to the league office they have gone away from that and its killing the game imo. can't even celebrate after a td or t.o. because have to wait for the league to look at it

the fact that the football passed completely over the goal line would ideally make it a touchdown. There are guys who drag it into the end zone by mere inches who are safe.

This was a very, very close call that really could have been 7 points. And to have to start back at the 10-yard line instead of at the 1-year line after that call is what led to the end of the game interception, etc...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 09:31:16 AM
agree to the first part. second part is clearly not that simple it took them very long to make that decision and until this year the rule always was it had to be 100%to overturn and clearly since they've turned it over to the league office they have gone away from that and its killing the game imo. can't even celebrate after a td or t.o. because have to wait for the league to look at it
The game was on the line so of course they are going to make sure before they overturn the call.
the fact that the football passed completely over the goal line would ideally make it a touchdown. There are guys who drag it into the end zone by mere inches who are safe.

This was a very, very close call that really could have been 7 points. And to have to start back at the 10-yard line instead of at the 1-year line after that call is what led to the end of the game interception, etc...
Again read the rule.
If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CS1 on December 18, 2017, 09:39:38 AM

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.

yes i see that written out here in this link. Would have been better if he caught it and fell at the one-yard line: https://www.yahoo.com/sports/steelers-get-robbed-controversial-non-catch-call-003343632.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 09:47:24 AM
Would have been better if he caught it and fell at the one-yard line:
It is still an incomplete pass. Would NE have challenged it, who knows.

The bottom line is they got the call 100% right so why all the whining?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 10:40:05 AM
It is still an incomplete pass. Would NE have challenged it, who knows.

The bottom line is they got the call 100% right so why all the whining?
Mima nafshach - if they got the call wrong, it's bad. If they got the call right, it's an idiotic rule. The guy caught the ball. It was a touchdown. If you want to disqualify it on a stupid technicality, that's not enjoyable sports, it's watching the ink dry on a legal brief.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 18, 2017, 10:53:34 AM
It is still an incomplete pass. Would NE have challenged it, who knows.

The bottom line is they got the call 100% right so why all the whining?
just watched it again he catches pulls the ball towards he body. knee hits the ground then he turns and stretches out for goal line and that causes him to.hitnthe ground with the ball and it moves. if that's not a catch then the rule is really messed up.
second everyone on radio and tv is saying it's the wrong call but CM says it's so obvious
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 11:06:15 AM
second everyone on radio and tv is saying it's the wrong call but CM says it's so obvious
Ratings. The ball hit the ground. Is everyone blind? End of story!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 11:20:58 AM
The guy caught the ball. It was a touchdown.
Do you understand the rule?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on December 18, 2017, 11:25:09 AM
just watched it again he catches pulls the ball towards he body. knee hits the ground then he turns and stretches out for goal line and that causes him to.hitnthe ground with the ball and it moves. if that's not a catch then the rule is really messed up.
second everyone on radio and tv is saying it's the wrong call but CM says it's so obvious
+1, had he been touched on his way down play would be dead at the point his knee hits the ground.  He then stretches out and ball moves when his hand hits the ground.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 11:28:00 AM
+1, had he been touched on his way down play would be dead at the point his knee hits the ground.  He then stretches out and ball moves when his hand hits the ground.
Wrong!!! Read the rule!!!

Is this Trump making all these posts?  :)

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on December 18, 2017, 11:31:58 AM
Wrong!!! Read the rule!!!

Is this Trump making all these posts?  :)

If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball until after his initial contact with the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone.
He maintained control then stretched out.
And No reason to ruin everything with politics.  Nfl is hurting enough without it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on December 18, 2017, 11:34:20 AM
just watched it again he catches pulls the ball towards he body. knee hits the ground then he turns and stretches out for goal line and that causes him to.hitnthe ground with the ball and it moves. if that's not a catch then the rule is really messed up.
second everyone on radio and tv is saying it's the wrong call but CM says it's so obvious

A jets fan's opinion isn't objective
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 11:35:31 AM
He maintained control then stretched out.
He was not a runner. He has to keep possession after hitting the ground. What part of the rule don't you understand?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 18, 2017, 11:36:11 AM
A jets fan's opinion isn't objectional
true. never claimed to be unbiased
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 11:36:57 AM
true. never claimed to be unbiased
...but you can understand a simple rule I would hope.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 18, 2017, 11:38:26 AM
...but you can understand a simple rule I would hope.
you keep not addressing my point about replays
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 11:40:00 AM
you keep not addressing my point about replays
If you have a problem with the rule or reply I am with you. The only thing I am addressing here is they got the call right.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 01:07:09 PM
Ratings. The ball hit the ground. Is everyone blind? End of story!!!
Do you understand the rule?
Even insufferable Pats fans are saying the Steelers got screwed. You are missing the point. Even if you are correct that it is the right call as per the letter of the law, the letter of the law is so beyond stupid, it's infuriating.

Just think - imagine if instead of the fumbling the ball as it hit the ground, a Pats defensive player would have knocked the ball out of his hand. It would have been a touchdown- not an incomplete pass. He caught the ball, made two steps, knee was down, forearm was down - he established possession, completed the catch and crossed the goal line before the fumble was caused. However, because he landed and the ball came out 10 minutes after all of those things - no catch. How stupid is that?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 01:19:03 PM
He caught the ball, made two steps, knee was down, forearm was down - he established possession, completed the catch and crossed the goal line before the fumble was caused. However, because he landed and the ball came out 10 minutes after all of those things - no catch. How stupid is that?
Are you hallucinating? He caught the ball in the air. Landed on his knee and took ZERO steps.

The rule is 100% clear!!! You don't like the rule so join the crowd. Not liking the rule doesn't make it a catch.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 01:25:48 PM
Are you hallucinating? He caught the ball in the air. Landed on his knee and took ZERO steps.

The rule is 100% clear!!! You don't like the rule so join the crowd. Not liking the rule doesn't make it a catch.
He catches the ball, feet in the air. Foot 1 lands. Knee 1 lands. Foot 2 lands. Ball crosses the plane. Elbow lands. Ball hits the ground and comes out.

That's 3 ways he established possession.

Two feet landing without the ball bobbling is the same thing as taking two steps.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 01:30:58 PM
He catches the ball, feet in the air. Foot 1 lands. Knee 1 lands. Foot 2 lands. Ball crosses the plane. Elbow lands. Ball hits the ground and comes out.

That's 3 ways he established possession.

Two feet landing without the ball bobbling is the same thing as taking two steps.
WOW this is really sad. Two feet landing (didn't even happen) does not make him a runner. You need to understand the difference between a runner with possession and making a catch establishing possession. Do you understand this basic difference?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 01:35:51 PM
WOW this is really sad. Two feet landing (didn't even happen) does not make him a runner. You need to understand the difference between a runner with possession and making a catch establishing possession. Do you understand this basic difference?
How many times can I tell you the problem isn't the call, it's the rule. It's stupid, stupid, stupid. Has been stupid for years. Everyone complains about it. It's easy to fix. But the NFL in its hubris lets this nonsense of us arguing where some no name tight end's toe nail was because all the star players were injured continue.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 01:39:47 PM
How many times can I tell you the problem isn't the call, it's the rule. It's stupid, stupid, stupid. Has been stupid for years. Everyone complains about it. It's easy to fix. But the NFL in its hubris lets this nonsense of us arguing where some no name tight end's toe nail was because all the star players were injured continue.
They stop trying to say it was a catch.
He catches the ball, feet in the air. Foot 1 lands. Knee 1 lands. Foot 2 lands. Ball crosses the plane. Elbow lands. Ball hits the ground and comes out.

That's 3 ways he established possession.

Two feet landing without the ball bobbling is the same thing as taking two steps.

According to the rule it was 100% clear it was not a catch. If you want to argue the rule needs to change that is fair and go for it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 01:42:18 PM
They stop trying to say it was a catch. According to the rule it was 100% clear it was not a catch. If you want to argue the rule needs to change that is fair and go for it.
Look upthread. I've been clear throughout. Again, had a pats player knocked the ball out instead of the ground he would have been a runner and it would have been a td.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 01:50:44 PM
Look upthread. I've been clear throughout. Again, had a pats player knocked the ball out instead of the ground he would have been a runner and it would have been a td.
Again you are wrong. On a catch he has to establish possession. If he was a runner as you suggest the minute a player touches him would be ruled down (knee touching) so impossible to fumble.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: oiseli48 on December 18, 2017, 02:29:04 PM
Look upthread. I've been clear throughout. Again, had a pats player knocked the ball out instead of the ground he would have been a runner and it would have been a td.

I disagree. Because he was in the motion of falling to the ground, until he finishes landing with clear possession it's not a catch. This is based on the current rule, not feelings of what the rule should be.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 02:33:23 PM
I disagree. Because he was in the motion of falling to the ground, until he finishes landing with clear possession it's not a catch. This is based on the current rule, not feelings of what the rule should be.
Finally someone who understands the rule as written!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on December 18, 2017, 02:41:58 PM
Finally someone who understands the rule as written!!!

I saw right away (first replay) that it wasn't going to last. I was surprised Romo (of all ppl) didn't see it sooner and thought review was about crossing the plane. I also agree that the rules have become absurd and we should all just count down until pitchers and catchers. I mean, just 3 hours later, same situation, team driving for a TD down 3 in final minute, and the QB fumbles the ball out of bounds. If it goes out at the 1 yard line, then its Oak ball and they tie or win. Since the ball hangs in, crosses the pylon, and then goes out, it's the other team's ball. What!?!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 02:49:24 PM
Since the ball hangs in, crosses the pylon, and then goes out, it's the other team's ball. What!?!
Didn't see the play but that's the rule, correct?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Again you are wrong. On a catch he has to establish possession. If he was a runner as you suggest the minute a player touches him would be ruled down (knee touching) so impossible to fumble.

I disagree. Because he was in the motion of falling to the ground, until he finishes landing with clear possession it's not a catch. This is based on the current rule, not feelings of what the rule should be.

The rule is saying that the only reason he didn't establish possession was because he fumbled it when going to ground.

But let's say he didn't lose the ball as his arm slammed into the ground. Instead, a pats plats poked the ball out of his hand, as his elbow and forearm were on the grass. What would be the din? The entire "Fumbled while going to the ground" idea is erased, as that never happened. So we would look to see if he establishes possession before the forced fumble. He gets a knee, two feet and a forearm down in bounds. He established possession. We would then say the ball crossed the plane before the forced fumble and it is a touchdown.

In other words, landing on the ground and fumbling RETROACTIVELY undid the catch. That is incredibly stupid.

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 03:15:13 PM
You are missing the point or maybe I am.  :)
He caught the ball while going to the ground. It doesn't matter how the ball comes out.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on December 18, 2017, 03:31:27 PM
You are missing the point or maybe I am.  :)
He caught the ball while going to the ground. It doesn't matter how the ball comes out.
To you, it to the rules as written?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 03:34:43 PM
To you, it to the rules as written?
Not following.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on December 18, 2017, 03:39:37 PM
Not following.
The 'it' was supposed to say 'or'.

He's arguing that in this scenario, the rules say he has to control it to the ground. But if the ball had been knocked loose by another player instead of the ground, there would be no such requirement, and we'd only be looking at whether he caught it and was down (the knee) before it was knocked loose.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 03:43:08 PM
The it was supposed to say or.

He's arguing that in this scenario, the rules say he has to control it to the ground. But if the ball had been knocked loose by another player instead of the ground, there would be no such requirement, and we'd only be looking at whether he caught it and was down (the knee) before it was knocked loose.
The rule is catching the ball while going to the ground. So it doesn't matter how the ball came out. Now if took some steps that would be a different story.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 18, 2017, 03:54:43 PM
The rule is catching the ball while going to the ground. So it doesn't matter how the ball came out. Now if took some steps that would be a different story.
If both feet are in the air who cares how they happen to land or if he was on the way up or down? If dragging two toes is the same as taking steps, why not this?

If a receiver gets the ball knocked out after getting 2 feet down, it is a fumble, we don't care what direction he was going.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 04:01:54 PM
If a receiver gets the ball knocked out after getting 2 feet down, it is a fumble, we don't care what direction he was going.
No its not a fumble. That is what you are missing. Getting two feet down means he was in the air when making the catch and has to establish possession. It would be incomplete. Don't shoot the messenger.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 18, 2017, 04:03:43 PM
The rule is saying that the only reason he didn't establish possession was because he fumbled it when going to ground.

But let's say he didn't lose the ball as his arm slammed into the ground. Instead, a pats plats poked the ball out of his hand, as his elbow and forearm were on the grass. What would be the din? The entire "Fumbled while going to the ground" idea is erased, as that never happened. So we would look to see if he establishes possession before the forced fumble. He gets a knee, two feet and a forearm down in bounds. He established possession. We would then say the ball crossed the plane before the forced fumble and it is a touchdown.

In other words, landing on the ground and fumbling RETROACTIVELY undid the catch. That is incredibly stupid.
been yelling about that rule all year.  haven't heard any rational explanation for it. and it has ruined so many games this year.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 04:05:39 PM
been yelling about that rule all year.  haven't heard any rational explanation for it. and it has ruined so many games this year.
So how would you change it? You have to have possession for x amount of time?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 18, 2017, 04:11:32 PM
So how would you change it? You have to have possession for x amount of time?
want referring to that play... but once you asked I would see complete control of the ball and land
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 18, 2017, 04:14:16 PM
want referring to that play... but once you asked I would see complete control of the ball and land
So basically the ground can't cause a fumble? That is what I am leaning to.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 23, 2017, 11:33:40 PM
Is this the game that brings victory to the Browns?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 24, 2017, 12:18:41 AM
Is this the game that brings victory to the Browns?
Meh. Victory will be going a perfect 0-16 and getting a parade at the factory of sadness. (http://bfy.tw/FiwG)
Winning will just make them bad at losing. Which would be so typically Browns-like.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 24, 2017, 12:19:32 AM
Meh. Victory will be going a perfect 0-16.
Winning will just make them bad at losing.
...but it is against DaBears!  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 24, 2017, 03:48:34 PM
Is this the game that brings victory to the Browns?
That is one sad looking team.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 24, 2017, 03:51:33 PM
.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171224/7d9d68dd78e4580e384ba60bfe086eb9.jpg)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 24, 2017, 03:51:46 PM
That is one sad looking team.
Going. All. The Way.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on December 24, 2017, 04:07:18 PM
https://nypost.com/2017/12/24/nfl-apparently-rules-patriots-cant-lose-after-latest-stunning-call/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 24, 2017, 08:20:45 PM
NFL rules need an overhaul.
Imagine if hitting a HR was this controversial!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on December 24, 2017, 08:50:05 PM
NFL rules need an overhaul.
Imagine if hitting a HR was this controversial!
Its more the replay rules than anything else.  Fwiw, NE has been the beneficiaries of 3 ridiculous tds being overturned, each have a significant impact on the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 11:16:27 AM
Ok we get it that rule sucks but the right call was made again.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-explains-kelvin-benjamin-td-catch-reversal-in-bills-patriots-game/ar-BBHft3s?li=BBnbfcL
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 11:17:44 AM
NFL rules need an overhaul.
Imagine if hitting a HR was this controversial!
The only controversy is reading comprehension 101.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 25, 2017, 11:22:50 AM
The only controversy is reading comprehension 101.
No, the controversy is that the rules stink and makes watching unenjoyable.
You can say that fans need to catch HRs to count as a HR, but I won't watch your product if you do.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 11:25:38 AM
No, the controversy is that the rules stink and makes watching unenjoyable.
You can say that fans need to catch HRs to count as a HR, but I won't watch your product if you do.
If the issue is the rule then come up with a better rule. IR is to get the call right. It worked again flawlessly.
As for the second sentence you lost me there.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 11:46:37 AM
You know what is odd about these so-called controversial calls. They were all overturned. If the call on the field was no catch and IR confirmed it no one would be complaining. Seems the complaint is that IR got it right. HELLO that is what IR is for.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 25, 2017, 11:49:24 AM
You know what is odd about these so-called controversial calls. They were all overturned. If the call on the field was no catch and IR confirmed it no one would be complaining. Seems the complaint is that IR got it right. HELLO that is what IR is for.
People want the bar rule.
If everyone in the bar thinks it should be a TD, then the rules ought to reflect that.
The current rules are asinine and are one of the many things hurting the sport.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 11:52:11 AM
People want the bar rule.
If everyone in the bar thinks it should be a TD, then the rules ought to reflect that.
The current rules are asinine and are one of the many things hurting the sport.
Didn't we have the bar rule originally? People were crying for IR now they are crying we have IR.
After seeing both I personally would like to see IR eliminated 100% for all sports.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 25, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
Didn't we have the bar rule originally? People were crying for IR now they are crying we have IR.
After seeing both I personally would like to see IR eliminated 100% for all sports.

You are missing the point. Again.

The. Rules. Are. Stupid.

I don't care if IR gets it right if right means the player has to recite the mah nishtana in 4 languages with both feet touching the ground before losing the ball.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 25, 2017, 12:10:10 PM
You are missing the point. Again.

The. Rules. Are. Stupid.

I don't care if IR gets it right if right means the player has to recite the mah nishtana in 4 languages with both feet touching the ground before losing the ball.

+1
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 12:11:35 PM
You are missing the point. Again.
The. Rules. Are. Stupid.
No you are missing the point again. If they are stupid then changed them. What do you want the rule to be?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 12:29:16 PM
We all know the rule was clarified (Dez Bryant rule) to make it clear what is a catch. That has worked 99.99% of the time. Now the issue is the rule is stupid because it goes to far. Ok so what should the rule be for a catch?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on December 25, 2017, 03:37:27 PM
Ok we get it that rule sucks but the right call was made again.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-explains-kelvin-benjamin-td-catch-reversal-in-bills-patriots-game/ar-BBHft3s?li=BBnbfcL

He clearly bobbled it and it was easy to overturn.
I disagree about the Jets game though. Rule on field was TD but they overturned with no evidence.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 25, 2017, 03:44:09 PM
If the issue is the rule then come up with a better rule. IR is to get the call right. It worked again flawlessly.
As for the second sentence you lost me there.
IR was never supposed to be about getting the call 100 percent right it was about fixing bad calls. which is where the bar rule  (or something close to it) came in. this year the league has clearly gotten away from that and are trying to be right and that makes no-one happy.... I heard bill polian say this exact thing the other day...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 05:54:18 PM
IR was never supposed to be about getting the call 100 percent right it was about fixing bad calls.
It has been working great to fix bad calls. You think it should be used less?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 25, 2017, 06:32:14 PM
It has been working great to fix bad calls. You think it should be used less?
they should go back to the incontrovertible evidence criteria
and on a separate note they need to to fix the catch rule and the fumble in the end zone rule
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 25, 2017, 06:39:58 PM
and on a separate note they need to to fix the catch rule and the fumble in the end zone rule
...to what?
One foot down instead of two?
You can establish possession while in the air?
Ground cant cause fumble?
You think any of those will solve the issue?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 27, 2017, 11:00:25 AM
Chaim, is this your voice?

Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on December 27, 2017, 01:09:44 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/27/official-to-bills-i-dont-know-why-kelvin-benjamin-td-was-overturned/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on December 27, 2017, 01:13:38 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/12/27/official-to-bills-i-dont-know-why-kelvin-benjamin-td-was-overturned/
In case they are reading this.  :)
He didn't get both feet down inbounds after gaining control.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on December 28, 2017, 10:26:30 AM
In case they are reading this.  :)
He didn't get both feet down inbounds after gaining control.

The call was right, but the point is that if the ref can't easily figure why its overturned then it's a tacky, stupid call to make. IR devolved into reviewing plays with a molecular microscope and that just ain't fun.

"The point of instant replay is supposed to be fixing obvious errors the kind of mistake that anyone can easily see. If the error isnt obvious to an NFL official, its hard to see how it could be a mistake obvious enough that it should have been overturned. Riveron has a problem on his hands if his own officials are acknowledging to the players and coaches on the sideline that they dont know what Riveron was thinking."

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on December 31, 2017, 04:01:01 PM
https://www.facebook.com/events/119466442059368/
http://www.brownsparade.com/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 02, 2018, 09:18:03 AM
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 05, 2018, 07:58:24 AM
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/hotread180105/beginning-end-new-england-patriots-robert-kraft-tom-brady-bill-belichick-internal-power-struggle
Think Belichick could really walk away?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on January 06, 2018, 09:55:26 PM
This is comical,  we need a lawyer for refs.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 06, 2018, 09:57:49 PM
This is comical,  we need a lawyer for coaches refs.
:)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 09, 2018, 12:05:10 AM
Anyone watching this? Crazy!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 09, 2018, 12:12:03 AM
Anyone watching this? Crazy!
Crazy game!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 09, 2018, 12:15:53 AM
Crazy game!

So crazy. I hate all three, but I always say you can never bet against Yankees, Patriots, and Bama.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 09, 2018, 09:21:08 AM
Anyone watching this? Crazy!
Crazy game!
You guys in the right thread?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 09, 2018, 11:42:16 AM
You guys in the right thread?

Don't think there is (or should be) an NCAA FB thread, so in the past, we have taken liberties.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 09, 2018, 11:58:36 AM
Don't think there is (or should be) an NCAA FB thread, so in the past, we have taken liberties.
In that case then it was a bold move switching quarterbacks!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 04:18:38 PM
Jags!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 04:41:38 PM
Boo!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 14, 2018, 07:22:16 PM
Jags!

Not sure anyone will be talking Jags. My feeling is it will be all "Coughlin vs. Belichek Round 3" talk all week.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 07:35:31 PM
Got a game now.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 07:55:45 PM
Got a game now.
A great one!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 08:01:46 PM
Is that the fat lady I hear?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 08:07:49 PM
Is that the fat lady I hear?
Nope, that's the Crow :D
WOW!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 08:08:21 PM
Wrong fat lady.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: whacked1 on January 14, 2018, 08:08:37 PM
HOLY COW!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 14, 2018, 08:10:16 PM
OMG OMG!!!!
Music City Miracle was on SHabbos so not sure I've ever seen anything like that.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 08:11:34 PM
What's the spread?
ETA: 5 - 5 1/2
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 14, 2018, 08:29:10 PM
What's the spread?
ETA: 5 - 5 1/2

That kneeling extra point made a lot of bettors angry Im sure.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 08:34:10 PM
That kneeling extra point made a lot of bettors angry Im sure.
Based on the spread about half the betters are mad. The same if they kicked the point after. All of them are yelling fixed!!!  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 14, 2018, 08:36:24 PM
Based on the spread about half the betters are mad. The same if they kicked the point after. All of them are yelling fixed!!!  :)

Half the bettors are very happy but know they dont deserve a penny.
Score a TD you get an extra point attempt. If they missed it, ok, but they didnt even attempt.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 14, 2018, 08:44:21 PM
unbelievable how some players can be so dumb in such crucial moments
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 08:51:30 PM
unbelievable how some players can be so dumb in such crucial moments
Wow!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 08:53:07 PM
Half the bettors are very happy but know they dont deserve a penny.
Score a TD you get an extra point attempt. If they missed it, ok, but they didnt even attempt.
In that situation most would take a knee and the betters know it but it doesn't help.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 14, 2018, 08:56:06 PM
Wow!
?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 09:01:47 PM
?
Kind of harsh.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on January 14, 2018, 09:10:07 PM
Kind of harsh.
is it not deserved? he has one job. keep the play in front of him and recklessly dives low and not only takes himself out of the play but takes the only other defender that would've had a shot out of the play
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 14, 2018, 09:17:34 PM
is it not deserved? he has one job. keep the play in front of him and recklessly dives low and not only takes himself out of the play but takes the only other defender that would've had a shot out of the play
The guy was in front of him and he went to tackle him low.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 14, 2018, 09:25:50 PM
is it not deserved? he has one job. keep the play in front of him and recklessly dives low and not only takes himself out of the play but takes the only other defender that would've had a shot out of the play

He definitely is and will be a goat, but what he did in the heat of the moment was understandable (avoid PI at all costs to avoid being a goat...) and relative to guys missing chip shot FGs or routine ground balls, I think this guy should be treated lighter.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 14, 2018, 10:44:12 PM
is it not deserved? he has one job. keep the play in front of him and recklessly dives low and not only takes himself out of the play but takes the only other defender that would've had a shot out of the play

Absolutely not deserved. It was a mistake made by a rookie in the heat of the moment.
Obviously he didnt intend to knock his own teammate out of the play either. Also its possible that Diggs gets tackled it of bounds before time expires (im not sure though).
This was no mistake of  lets pass when we have the game locked up or Blair Walsh missed chip shot proportion. It was a great catch by Diggs followed by a rookie mistake followed by bad luck.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidmal on January 15, 2018, 09:34:47 AM
I think its the coaches fault as well. I bet they didnt emphasize whatever you do dont let them out of bounds.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2018, 05:54:46 PM
The GOAT
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2018, 05:55:27 PM
It is like watching MJ. You just expect it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2018, 05:55:58 PM
It is like watching MJ. You just expect it.
+1. Would have been more surprised if he didn't come back
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2018, 05:57:34 PM
What odds would you need to get that Bortles leads a TD drive here? 30 to 1? 40?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2018, 05:58:52 PM
What odds would you need to get that Bortles leads a TD drive here? 30 to 1? 40?
Hope he does then we get to see GOAT again!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 21, 2018, 06:06:47 PM
8 super bowl appearances. Unbelievable
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 21, 2018, 06:08:26 PM
GOAT?
Quarterback?
Coach?
Team?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 21, 2018, 06:08:46 PM
GOAT?
Quarterback?
Coach?
Team?
QB.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 21, 2018, 06:56:54 PM
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 21, 2018, 07:36:55 PM
And so far they're 7-0 in the Big Game, no?  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on January 21, 2018, 11:13:31 PM
And so far they're 7-0 in the Big Game, no?  ;)
No
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 22, 2018, 10:05:12 AM
No

Oh really! Why not?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yoshyosh on January 22, 2018, 10:36:28 AM
Oh really! Why not?
They lost to the Patriots in 2011 https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/21/patriots-how-many-super-bowl-appearances
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on January 22, 2018, 11:06:55 AM
They lost to the Patriots in 2011 https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/01/21/patriots-how-many-super-bowl-appearances
ALOL!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 22, 2018, 11:08:43 AM
ALOL!
+1
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 22, 2018, 11:10:06 AM
This is making as much sense as the election thread.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 22, 2018, 12:41:42 PM
Oh really! Why not?
Well, because Eli Manning is the GOAT, duh.
You're not seriously arguing this at this point, are you?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 22, 2018, 01:13:47 PM
Well, because Eli Manning is the GOAT, duh.
You're not seriously arguing this at this point, are you?

No, I'm not going that far. I'm just enjoying myself, specifically, that Eli, for all of his many faults, is what stands between TB12 and soon to be 8 Lombardis on 8 tries. Is that a problem? Is it the Three Weeks or something?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 22, 2018, 03:40:56 PM
No, I'm not going that far. I'm just enjoying myself, specifically, that Eli, for all of his many faults, is what stands between TB12 and soon to be 8 Lombardis on 8 tries. Is that a problem? Is it the Three Weeks or something?
Fair enough. And as a Mets fan, I guess that's all you have to enjoy.
Although TB12 could just as easily be 7-0 as he could be 1-6. Pretty crazy
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 22, 2018, 04:29:52 PM
Although TB12 could just as easily be 7-0 as he could be 1-6. Pretty crazy
Yup. The way I look at it is that he often had good luck to win when he won and mostly bad luck to lose when he lost.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 22, 2018, 08:43:54 PM
Yup. The way I look at it is that he often had good luck to win when he won and mostly bad luck to lose when he lost.

I mean, that's actually one of the craziest parts. You can double check this, but I'm 90% sure that all 7 of his SB's were decided by less than a TD, which generally means that one lucky play either way influenced it. That said, it may not be a coincidence that they usually ended up on the right side of it, knowing how to finish games offensively or defensively, and not just play 3 quarters, like the Seahawks, Falcons (or Jags yesterday), etc.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 23, 2018, 09:14:18 AM
As Bill Barnwell always points out, winning close games is the most unrepeatable skill in the NFL. Except if your name is Brady, Tom
http://grantland.com/features/andrew-luck-2014-nfl-season-indianapolis-colts-close-games/
His win percentage was .711 in 2014.
In 7 games, a win percentage of .711 would give you an expected win total of...... 4.977. So I wouldn't call it luck or a coincidence
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 23, 2018, 09:29:36 AM
As Bill Barnwell always points out, winning close games is the most unrepeatable skill in the NFL. Except if your name is Brady, Tom
http://grantland.com/features/andrew-luck-2014-nfl-season-indianapolis-colts-close-games/
His win percentage was .711 in 2014.
In 7 games, a win percentage of .711 would give you an expected win total of...... 4.977. So I wouldn't call it luck or a coincidence

You cant look at his record and say its due to luck, but you can still see that some individual games were. In Seattle the game was already out of his hands. He got lucky. 
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 23, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
Forget about the other team. This guy has forth quarter drives that are unmatched. That isn't luck!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on January 23, 2018, 10:37:06 AM
Forget about the other team. This guy has forth quarter drives that are unmatched. That isn't luck!!!
Next you'll tell me MJ's 6 rings weren't luck.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 23, 2018, 10:43:12 AM
You cant look at his record and say its due to luck, but you can still see that some individual games were. In Seattle the game was already out of his hands. He got lucky.

Yes and no. You're right that if Seattle or Atlanta runs the ball after two of the best forgotten catches of all time, his ring count is different. That said, that's part of the point. When he needed points, he always came through; when the other team needed points, they didn't. Obviously the latter half is luck/defense/coaching, but the contrast highlights that he's never messed it up. Of course, when Eli needed points for his team...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2018, 10:49:55 AM
Total margin of victory in the 7 superbowls is 28. Crazy.
Total point differential is 14
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 24, 2018, 01:16:16 PM
Total margin of victory in the 7 superbowls is 28. Crazy.
Total point differential is 14

It is. That's why I feel uncomfortable putting money on my prediction, which is that they will eclipse that point differential in this one game.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2018, 01:48:58 PM
https://www.nfl.com/super-bowl/history/2008
Just watched the video at the bottom here. Awesome. Never heard the story about Tyree's terrible practice on the Friday before the SB before
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 24, 2018, 01:54:11 PM
It is. That's why I feel uncomfortable putting money on my prediction, which is that they will eclipse that point differential in this one game.
Will be in LAS Sun-Wed if you change your mind.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on January 24, 2018, 01:58:01 PM
And https://www.nfl.com/super-bowl/history/2012
Man, good times.
Also never heard the story about Manning hesitating at the line to tell Bradshaw not to score
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 24, 2018, 02:51:23 PM
Will be in LAS Sun-Wed if you change your mind.  :)

Thanks. Even though I'm feeling 14+, if I only need 5.5, I just might take it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 24, 2018, 02:57:45 PM
https://www.nfl.com/super-bowl/history/2008
Just watched the video at the bottom here. Awesome. Never heard the story about Tyree's terrible practice on the Friday before the SB before

The Tyree story is famous. If you have a chance, watch the whole thing (10 yr anniversary coming up):https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjifaETK2o

Also, Strahan was michaven to the Ohr Hachaim in this week's parsha ("Believe it and it will happen")
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on January 25, 2018, 04:13:42 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/incredible-facts-about-super-bowl-dominance-of-brady-belichick-pats/ar-AAvaSZE?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:02:06 AM
Inside info on the prop bet. Bet the house on over.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/pink-reveals-she-has-the-flu-ahead-of-big-super-bowl-performance-please-give-me-my-voice-back/ar-BBIEg3a?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 04, 2018, 02:45:19 PM
Check out @OnionSportss Tweet:
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 04:28:33 PM
Inside info on the prop bet. Bet the house on over.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/pink-reveals-she-has-the-flu-ahead-of-big-super-bowl-performance-please-give-me-my-voice-back/ar-BBIEg3a?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
Make sense?

"Shes expected to go over, because the line is set at -150, with the under at +130. If you take the over, that means youd have to bet $100 to win $150. If you take the under, youd have to bet $130 to win $100."
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 04:30:00 PM
Odds (no pun intended) and ends

Donald Trumps ongoing beef with the NFL and his tendency to just tweet through it has landed him in the prop bet realm.

Will Donald Trump be mentioned during the broadcast?

This ones hard to call. But the line is set at +110 for yes, -150 for no.

How many times will Trump tweet on Super Bowl Sunday?

The over/under is set at 5. Id take the over here for sure.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 06:24:45 PM
Inside info on the prop bet. Bet the house on over.
Don't overcook my crow.  :-[
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 04, 2018, 06:56:47 PM
How many times will Trump tweet on Super Bowl Sunday?

The over/under is set at 5. Id take the over here for sure.

The entire day or just the game?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 07:01:35 PM
The entire day or just the game?
Not sure. Was a copy and paste.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 04, 2018, 07:02:06 PM
Where are we streaming free?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 07:05:50 PM
Where are we streaming free?
Nbc.com
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 04, 2018, 07:09:28 PM
Where are we streaming free?
NFL app on your phone
NBC.Com
Reddit.com/r/nflstreams
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 04, 2018, 07:10:20 PM
NFL app on your phone
NBC.Com
Reddit.com/r/nflstreams
3 places at once???
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 04, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
3 places at once???
Iinm, NBC.Com won't work on mobile.

And the last one is because the "illegal" streams are often better than the "legal" ones (in quality and speed.) beware of the last one though, lots of very unsafe pop up ads. Make sure you have an ad blocker.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 04, 2018, 07:18:42 PM
Iinm, NBC.Com won't work on mobile.

And the last one is because the "illegal" streams are often better than the "legal" ones (in quality and speed.) beware of the last one though, lots of very unsafe pop up ads. Make sure you have an ad blocker.

You gotta find the private streams, some of them are pretty darn sweet.
No ads and amazing quality.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 04, 2018, 07:19:50 PM
You gotta find the private streams, some of them are pretty darn sweet.
No ads and amazing quality.
Buffy usually has a YouTube stream, with YouTube red (background play) its amazing.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 04, 2018, 07:22:10 PM
Buffy usually has a YouTube stream, with YouTube red (background play) its amazing.

I have no idea who Buffy is or what youtube red background play means.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 04, 2018, 07:25:03 PM
I have no idea who Buffy is or what youtube red background play means.
YouTube red is a paid subscription to YouTube which is included with Google play.

YouTube red has no ads and can play in the background on your phone while you do other stuff.

Buffy is a user on the subreddit I posted above.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 07:33:32 PM
Take the point you idiot.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 04, 2018, 07:38:34 PM
YouTube red is a paid subscription to YouTube which is included with Google play.

YouTube red has no ads and can play in the background on your phone while you do other stuff.

Buffy is a user on the subreddit I posted above.

Oh nice
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:00:13 PM
Here we go, no catch?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:01:19 PM
Rough one..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on February 04, 2018, 09:05:32 PM
Here we go, no catch?
Catch. He wasn't bobbling. He was adjusting.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:05:57 PM
He was adjusting.
LOL
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:39:28 PM
33-32  >:(
Take the point you idiot.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:40:20 PM
33-32  >:(
+1 i said it then " big mistake"
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:41:23 PM
+1 i said it then " big mistake"
So early in the game, it was crazy!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:41:59 PM
So early in the game, it was crazy!!!
Never chase the point...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:43:43 PM
Score with 2 minutes to go. Then lets see GOAT do his magic or ...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:53:05 PM
 for what it's worth,  game is a lot better than anticipated.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:54:13 PM
for what it's worth,  game is a lot better than anticipated.
Let you know when it is over.  ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:56:01 PM
Run the d*nm ball.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:57:00 PM
He established possession. TD!!!

These announcers don't know the rules.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:57:22 PM
Oh no!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:58:19 PM
He took three steps!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:59:08 PM
This is the worse thing for the NFL...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 09:59:20 PM
If he established possession TD!!! If not put a fork in him.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 09:59:26 PM
He took three steps!
+1
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: peacenlove613 on February 04, 2018, 09:59:39 PM
Dam
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:00:06 PM
This is the worse thing for the NFL...
Correct call with no controversy except for NE fans.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2018, 10:00:15 PM
He established possession. TD!!!

These announcers don't know the rules.
Guess they should hire you. My grandfather is screaming the same thing.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:00:47 PM
+1
This one was a simple call.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: peacenlove613 on February 04, 2018, 10:00:52 PM
Why does it always come down to Brady on the final drive
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
Guess they should hire you. My grandfather is screaming the same thing.
Your grandfather is a smart person.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 10:01:29 PM
This one was a simple call.
To me it's the same as the pit play.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:01:51 PM
Why does it always come down to Brady on the final drive
GOAT!!! Lets see what he has.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2018, 10:01:55 PM
Why does it always come down to Brady on the final drive
Would be odd if it was Manziel on the final drive.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2018, 10:03:35 PM
WOW!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: peacenlove613 on February 04, 2018, 10:05:46 PM
No words
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:07:00 PM
No words
+1000 and that doesn't happen often for me.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 10:09:02 PM
+1000 and that doesn't happen often for me.
Its still a game...
GOAT!!! Lets see what he has.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:09:41 PM
Miss miss miss!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:18:00 PM
No words
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2018, 10:18:09 PM
Wow!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: peacenlove613 on February 04, 2018, 10:18:19 PM
Wow wow wow
A game for the ages
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 10:19:01 PM
What a game...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:20:16 PM
Not the best played game but it sure was exciting!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2018, 10:20:44 PM
Guess this week's parsha was right:
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 04, 2018, 10:22:37 PM
Guess this week's parsha was right:
You had that just waiting? Didn't want to post before the game?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 04, 2018, 10:30:22 PM
You had that just waiting? Didn't want to post before the game?
Lol, JJ sent it to me on Friday.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 04, 2018, 10:30:46 PM
You had that just waiting? Didn't want to post before the game?
Could have been twisted either way
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 04, 2018, 10:32:28 PM
Lol, JJ sent it to me on Friday.
Was on my daughters parsha sheets ;)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 04, 2018, 11:15:45 PM
Guess this week's parsha was right:
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 05, 2018, 10:10:44 AM
He established possession. TD!!!

These announcers don't know the rules.

The announcers were atrocious.
This TD was not even remotely controversial.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2018, 10:20:02 AM
The announcers were atrocious.
This TD was not even remotely controversial.
After a few minutes it started to sink in for them.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: helpyouamdme on February 05, 2018, 09:25:56 PM
i was yesterday on a flight and of course the whole plane was up with the game, and when the flight was over Philadelphia we got a announcement from the pilot  to look out of the window and watch the fireworks what the Philadelphians are celebrating, they seemed  to be very excited  :D
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 11:27:17 AM
Ouch!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-eagles-committed-pass-interference-on-the-last-play-of-super-bowl-lii-why-didn%e2%80%99t-refs-throw-a-flag/ar-BBIJymV?li=BBnba9I
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on February 06, 2018, 11:31:57 AM
Ouch!

http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-eagles-committed-pass-interference-on-the-last-play-of-super-bowl-lii-why-didn%e2%80%99t-refs-throw-a-flag/ar-BBIJymV?li=BBnba9I
smart football play!
the Pats would have done it, cause thats how they roll
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 11:34:13 AM
smart football play!
the Pats would have done it, cause thats how they roll
How can the refs miss it?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on February 06, 2018, 12:11:17 PM
How can the refs miss it?
they dont care, they will almost never throw the flag on the last play of the game thats why its a smart football play
it's what the PAts have been doing for years.... cheating "within the rules"
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 12:14:49 PM
they dont care, they will almost never throw the flag on the last play of the game thats why its a smart football play
Not correct. They will on blatant fouls and that doesn't get any more blatant.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on February 06, 2018, 12:31:28 PM
Not correct. They will on blatant fouls and that doesn't get any more blatant.
away from the ball, low percentage
Philly would have burned if they called it...... 
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 12:32:56 PM
Philly would have burned if they called it......
That we agree on.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on February 06, 2018, 12:55:31 PM
away from the ball, low percentage
Philly would have burned if they called it......

They will never call that. But to be fair, Philly was burnt even though they didn't call it...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on February 06, 2018, 01:01:41 PM
they never ever call PI on hail Mary's and the whole tone of the article is clearly pro pats
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 01:06:04 PM
they never ever call PI on hail Mary's and the whole tone of the article is clearly pro pats
It the end zone,no. When it happens way before they do and have. Also they didn't even know if this was going to be the last play.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2018, 01:33:22 PM
What about Gronks shove, cant get more blatant than that either.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 01:34:53 PM
What about Gronks shove, cant get more blatant than that either.
Which one?  :)
Link?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2018, 01:36:58 PM
Which one?  :)
Link?
Same play
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 01:40:28 PM
What about Gronks shove, cant get more blatant than that either.
Are you honestly comparing a little forearm to a two handed shove knocking the player down?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2018, 01:42:05 PM
Are you honestly comparing a little forearm to a two handed shove knocking the player down?
It had more of an impact on the play.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 01:48:36 PM
It had more of an impact on the play.
What are you talking about. The receiver got knocked of his feet and didn't have a chance to catch the ball.
Man you must hate NE!!!  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 06, 2018, 01:59:15 PM
It had more of an impact on the play.
Neither had any impact on the play, TBH.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 02:00:54 PM
Neither had any impact on the play, TBH.
Knocking a receiver to the ground so he can't make to the end zone had no impact?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 06, 2018, 02:02:38 PM
Knocking a receiver to the ground so he can't make to the end zone had no impact?
He did make it into the end zone though. Bedsides, only one Pat was ever gonna go up for the ball. The goal for the others was just to try to catch any ricochets.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 02:11:27 PM
He did make it into the end zone though.
Watch the video again and get his number (15). He made it to the end zone after the fact as wasn't involved in the play.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 06, 2018, 02:15:17 PM
Watch the video again and get his number (15). He made it to the end zone after the fact as wasn't involved in the play.
He steps on the goal line as the ball hits Gronks hand. Sure he wasnt involved in the play, but he could easily have reached where the ball was, even after getting pushed.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 02:29:39 PM
He steps on the goal line as the ball hits Gronks hand. Sure he wasnt involved in the play, but he could easily have reached where the ball was, even after getting pushed.
There are only three white shirts near the ball and he is not one of them.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on February 06, 2018, 03:13:58 PM
While we're at it, how about illegal formation on the foles TD reception?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 03:17:07 PM
While we're at it, how about illegal formation on the foles TD reception?
You got me there. What should I be looking for?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on February 06, 2018, 03:19:03 PM
Look at the number of eagles on the line of scrimmage and try to count to 7.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 03:30:40 PM
They are counting the wide receiver Jeffery's. Don't shoot the messenger.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 06, 2018, 03:32:03 PM
There are only three white shirts near the ball and he is not one of them.
Yeah, because he wandered off. He's end up much farther to the middle of the field than where he was pushed to.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 03:34:35 PM
Yeah, because he wandered off. He's end up much farther to the middle of the field than where he was pushed to.
LOL
Lets say agree with you (I don't) it is still a blatant foul.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2018, 03:40:31 PM
They are counting the wide receiver Jeffery's. Don't shoot the messenger.  :)
He was asked about that, said that he asled the ref if he was lined up and got the nod.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 03:52:39 PM
He was asked about that, said that he asled the ref if he was lined up and got the nod.
Then legal play as he would make 7.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2018, 06:26:21 PM
Then legal play as he would make 7.
Supposedly there was a diffrent issue that made the play illegal, something to do with Foles movements, leaning forward before th snap, since he was a receiver on that play he wasnt allowed to do that.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 06, 2018, 06:53:19 PM
LOL
Lets say agree with you (I don't) it is still a blatant foul.
I agree that it was a blatant foul, but I stand by my opinion that it had no effect on the play. Whether or not they should call things like that is another story.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2018, 07:00:23 PM
I agree that it was a blatant foul, but I stand by my opinion that it had no effect on the play. Whether or not they should call things like that is another story.
We will just have to disagree on that. Whether or not if they should call things like that. It would be open season for cheap shots if they don't.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on February 06, 2018, 08:40:51 PM
Well, if you want to be like Belichek, the first thing you have to do is walk out on an excited fanbase before the press conference.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 06, 2018, 08:44:26 PM
Well, if you want to be like Belichek, the first thing you have to do is walk out on an excited fanbase before the press conference.
wonder if bb is on his way out and they're training in their next he.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on February 06, 2018, 08:59:53 PM
wonder if bb is on his way out and they're training in their next he.

I think there's little question that this move signifies that he's the next NE HC; the only question is how soon might that be? In light of the recent ESPN article, it's especially interesting.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on February 06, 2018, 09:16:52 PM
wonder if bb is on his way out and they're training in their next he.
most plausible is BB said like he has 1 year left...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mercaz1 on February 07, 2018, 10:39:05 AM
Would BB have walked away if they had won?
Would Gronk walk away if they had won?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2018, 11:32:33 AM
The part about the Ertz TD that everyone (including the refs!) missed
 (https://imgur.com/gallery/hxxMz)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 07, 2018, 11:38:48 AM
The part about the Ertz TD that everyone (including the refs!) missed
 (https://imgur.com/gallery/hxxMz)
Not showing on tapa..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2018, 11:39:18 AM
Not showing on tapa..
https://imgur.com/gallery/hxxMz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on February 07, 2018, 11:46:05 AM
Z
https://imgur.com/gallery/hxxMz
Isjy
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on February 07, 2018, 03:45:04 PM
Z
Isjy
?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 11, 2018, 12:37:31 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+england+patriots+owner&oq=new+england+patriots+owner
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 11, 2018, 12:39:16 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+england+patriots+owner&oq=new+england+patriots+owner
LOL
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 11, 2018, 12:51:50 AM
https://www.google.com/search?q=new+england+patriots+owner&oq=new+england+patriots+owner
Funny that the number 1 result is explaining what Google returns.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on March 27, 2018, 03:28:35 PM
Hopefully there will be less crying in this thread.  :)
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-catch-rule-changes-approved-as-standard-for-completion-is-simplified/ar-BBKMBtm?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on April 26, 2018, 04:31:27 PM
predictions?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 04:32:40 PM
predictions?
DaBears will make the playoffs.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on April 26, 2018, 04:37:27 PM
DaBears will make the playoffs.  :)
predictions not fantasies
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on April 26, 2018, 04:42:42 PM
predictions not fantasies
Not sure there is a difference for Bear's fans.  :-[
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mercaz1 on April 26, 2018, 05:11:32 PM
the browns and jets quarterback will both be busts
I'm a Jets fan but thats the reality of being a jets fan
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on April 30, 2018, 02:45:47 PM
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on June 13, 2018, 01:29:19 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jury-orders-rams-to-pay-reggie-bush-nearly-dollar125m-for-2015-injury/ar-AAyynAG?li=BBnbfcL&ocid=ACERDHP15

 Jury orders Rams to pay Reggie Bush nearly $12.5M for 2015 injury
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on August 14, 2018, 01:19:22 PM
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elit on September 01, 2018, 11:28:12 PM
very happy the jets didnt make that trade
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on September 16, 2018, 04:22:24 PM
Gonzolez really doesn;'t want anyone to get that beer.....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on September 16, 2018, 04:43:35 PM
Gonzolez really doesn;'t want anyone to get that beer.....
and then Carson from the Vikings says "Hold my Beer"
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 16, 2018, 08:32:44 PM
When are we getting our BudLight?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2018, 09:07:42 PM
When are we getting our BudLight?

https://youtu.be/ZGQyv-43334
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on September 17, 2018, 11:56:12 AM
When are we getting our BudLight?
when they win? ::)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 17, 2018, 08:07:51 PM
Forget about putting skirts on them. They need to play touch football when it comes to quarterbacks and that will make @jj1000 happy.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000963544/article/nfl-to-use-clay-matthews-penalty-in-teaching-video
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on September 17, 2018, 09:35:48 PM
Forget about putting skirts on them. They need to play touch football when it comes to quarterbacks and that will make @jj1000 happy.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000963544/article/nfl-to-use-clay-matthews-penalty-in-teaching-video
Lol, good memory. And glad to see some progress. Just more steps away from being cavemen.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 17, 2018, 09:39:42 PM
Lol, good memory. And glad to see some progress. Just more steps away from being cavemen.
I don't even think a china doll would have been broken on that tackle.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on September 20, 2018, 11:29:08 AM
Clowns.
https://sports.yahoo.com/hue-jackson-didnt-know-zane-gonzalez-kicking-injured-sunday-040058719.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2018, 10:14:37 PM
Am I getting my Bud Light tonight?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2018, 11:15:54 PM
Where do I get my BL?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: davidrotts63 on September 21, 2018, 02:51:21 AM
As bad as the browns indians.
CLE you've disappointed us.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Barryg on September 21, 2018, 03:03:45 AM
Where do I get my BL?
Dilly dilly
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 21, 2018, 11:16:32 AM
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on September 21, 2018, 11:33:06 AM
lol and they open it so you cant resell on EBAY
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on October 07, 2018, 04:44:19 PM
and browns win on a knuckleball... typical
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 07, 2018, 04:44:52 PM
Terrible officiating.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on October 07, 2018, 04:46:43 PM
Terrible officiating.
not as bad as the giants game
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on October 07, 2018, 04:47:56 PM
not as bad as the giants game
Didn't see that game, just the Browns. I think the NFL needs to do a better job reprimanding refs after the game when the plays can be reviewed by the head office.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 07, 2018, 05:55:54 PM
Terrible officiating.
Yup.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elya on October 07, 2018, 06:03:10 PM
not as bad as the giants game
+1000
Costed them the win!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 07, 2018, 06:35:34 PM
What do you expect from a league that will give a roughing the passer penalty for helping him tie his shoes!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: tam111 on October 12, 2018, 07:46:14 PM
Does anyone think Eli Manning was done two years ago?  He has been terrible both last year and this year. As good as Saquan Barkley has been, huge mistake not drafting a QB. I guess they can draft one next year when they get a top three pick. 
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on October 13, 2018, 10:59:15 PM
Does anyone think Eli Manning was done two years ago?  He has been terrible both last year and this year. As good as Saquan Barkley has been, huge mistake not drafting a QB. I guess they can draft one next year when they get a top three pick.

Not taking Darnold, who they reportedly liked, was an all-time fail. He should've been fired the next day for setting the franchise back 15 years. Now, with one of the most dynamic WRs & RBs, they remain unwatchable bc they didn't plan for the most important position in sports. Painfully foolish.
(Early reports are that the 2019 QB class is nothing to write home about. Hopefully that changes...)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on October 13, 2018, 11:02:08 PM
Not taking Darnold, who they reportedly liked, was an all-time fail. He should've been fired the next day for setting the franchise back 15 years. Now, with one of the most dynamic WRs & RBs, they remain unwatchable bc they didn't plan for the most important position in sports. Painfully foolish.
(Early reports are that the 2019 QB class is nothing to write home about. Hopefully that changes...)
I dont think eli gave them a choice. After botching the whole thing last season they couldnt anger Eli .
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on October 14, 2018, 01:24:37 AM
I dont think eli gave them a choice. After botching the whole thing last season they couldnt anger Eli .
That ain't no way to run a franchise. You think Belichek would make a decision like that?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on October 14, 2018, 07:02:46 AM
That ain't no way to run a franchise. You think Belichek would make a decision like that?
Oh I agree. And yes the patriots just did the same thing last season. Diffrence is Brady can still play.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 14, 2018, 07:38:38 AM
Oh I agree. And yes the patriots just did the same thing last season. Diffrence is Brady can still play.
Then it's not the same thing
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on October 14, 2018, 07:42:15 AM
Then it's not the same thing
It is. Belichek didnt want garapilo gone, brady did.
Brady doesnt care for future of org. Belichek did. They had to differ to face of the organization
Eli didnt want new qb to threaten his job, coaching staff did. Eli doesnt care for future of franchise. Giants made wrong move to avoid upsetting face of org and consequently the fans.
I'm loving hearing the fans boo eli off the field now.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 14, 2018, 07:47:14 AM
It is. Belichek didnt want garapilo gone, brady did.
Brady doesnt care for future of org. Belichek did. They had to differ to face of the organization
Eli didnt want new qb to threaten his job, coaching staff did. Eli doesnt care for future of franchise. Giants made wrong move to avoid upsetting face of org and consequently the fans.
I'm loving hearing the fans boo eli off the field now.
The key is Brady can still play. If you think they sent Garoppolo packing because of Brady even though they still wanted him, that goes against everything Bellichik has ever done
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sport on October 14, 2018, 07:51:38 AM
The key is Brady can still play. If you think they sent Garoppolo packing because of Brady even though they still wanted him, that goes against everything Bellichik has ever done
It wasnt bellichiks choice. Read up on it.
Why would they send a young talented qb away when Brady cant have more than 3 years left if hes lucky?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on October 14, 2018, 04:39:00 PM
down the middle for MIA ....... >:(.ugh
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 14, 2018, 04:39:56 PM
down the middle for MIA ....... >:(.ugh
They made swiss cheese out of the defense.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: tam111 on October 14, 2018, 07:09:50 PM
It is. Belichek didnt want garapilo gone, brady did.
Brady doesnt care for future of org. Belichek did. They had to differ to face of the organization
Eli didnt want new qb to threaten his job, coaching staff did. Eli doesnt care for future of franchise. Giants made wrong move to avoid upsetting face of org and consequently the fans.
I'm loving hearing the fans boo eli off the field now.

I heard the same thing about Brady not wanting Garropolo around and the problem is that he was LS about to be a free agent so either trade him or give him a big contract.  Patriots were in a dilemma and they could not pay starting money to two QBs.  And Im free agency, there was no guarantee Garrapolo would return so I think they had to trade him.  Now Belichek got substantially less in the trade because he didnt want him in his division. That to me is a crime. You are trading him so why settle for a second when someone is offering you a first round draft pick.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on October 14, 2018, 07:59:47 PM
It wasnt bellichiks choice. Read up on it.
Why would they send a young talented qb away when Brady cant have more than 3 years left if hes lucky?

In this way, it may be a good comparison even though Brady can still play and Eli can't. It's pretty out there that Kraft forced Bill's hand and I can only wonder if Mara explicitly or otherwise forced Gettlemen's hand as well. But he sounds so stupid when he talks it's hard to say.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on October 25, 2018, 07:06:47 PM
@ChaimMoskowitz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 25, 2018, 07:24:54 PM
@ChaimMoskowitz

How come none of you gave me these lessons?  >:(
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: tam111 on January 11, 2019, 03:40:45 PM
Exciting NFL playoffs this weekend with 8 teams remaining.  There doesn't seem to be a dominant team and one of handful of teams can take it this year which makes watching it more exciting.   Any Super Bowl winner predictions?  I'll go with the favorites, Saints over the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  I'm not ready to pick one of these young gun QBs (i.e.:KC, LA, Dallas) to lead them to the promised land. 
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 12, 2019, 11:48:37 PM
Exciting NFL playoffs this weekend with 8 teams remaining.  There doesn't seem to be a dominant team and one of handful of teams can take it this year which makes watching it more exciting.   Any Super Bowl winner predictions?  I'll go with the favorites, Saints over the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  I'm not ready to pick one of these young gun QBs (i.e.:KC, LA, Dallas) to lead them to the promised land.
Wouldnt you say the Saints right now are a dominant team? One of the best teams in years, with a great homefield
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: elya on January 13, 2019, 12:02:56 AM
Exciting NFL playoffs this weekend with 8 teams remaining.  There doesn't seem to be a dominant team and one of handful of teams can take it this year which makes watching it more exciting.   Any Super Bowl winner predictions?  I'll go with the favorites, Saints over the Patriots in the Super Bowl.  I'm not ready to pick one of these young gun QBs (i.e.:KC, LA, Dallas) to lead them to the promised land.
Well Chiefs-Rams would definitely be an exciting game.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 13, 2019, 12:08:24 AM
Well Chiefs-Rams would definitely be an exciting game.
Weve seen that circus, its a total embarrasment. Chargers-Saints, on the other hand..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Proisrael on January 13, 2019, 03:23:19 AM
Weve seen that circus, its a total embarrasment. Chargers-Saints, on the other hand..

Rivers deserves it more then anyone else.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 13, 2019, 06:53:27 PM
Weve seen that circus, its a total embarrassment. Chargers-Saints, on the other hand..
A Birds-Pats rematch would be sick too
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: tam111 on January 13, 2019, 07:48:25 PM
All four home teams won this weekend (and three of the four covered the spread). Next weekend will be fun with four high scoring offenses left. 
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Post by: Moshe26 on January 14, 2019, 01:23:25 PM
All four home teams won this weekend (and three of the four covered the spread). Next weekend will be fun with four high scoring offenses left.
Idk if you can consider the saints as high scoring offense anymore. But def gonna be a fun Sunday
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder11 on January 14, 2019, 09:26:06 PM
Any non Giants fans here that think Eli Manning should be a Hall of famer?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 14, 2019, 10:55:25 PM
Any non Giants fans that think Eli Manning should ever have been an NFL starter?
FTFY
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder11 on January 14, 2019, 11:38:31 PM
FTFY

In his defense, he has been a really strong 2 minute offense QB. Definitely a top 30 QB for me, probably top 15. So league average. However he is a career .500 QB (again league average). And his TD-INT ratio is a joke. Obviously never came close to getting MVP votes.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 14, 2019, 11:50:00 PM
In his defense, he has been a really strong 2 minute offense QB. Definitely a top 30 QB for me, probably top 15. So league average. However he is a career .500 QB (again league average). And his TD-INT ratio is a joke. Obviously never came close to getting MVP votes.
You can say that again. Im amazed to this day when Giants fans try to put him in the same breath as Peyton. ROFLMFAO.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 15, 2019, 01:54:30 AM
Any non Giants fans here that think Eli Manning should be a Hall of famer?
FTFY
There are only 20 QB's that have even made it to the superbowl more than once. Of those, 12 are already in the HOF, 2 more are locks, with another 1 or 2 likely to make it eventually. Out of the full 20, only 12 have won more than 1 - all of which are, or will be, in the HOF. The only exception is Jim Plunkett, and Eli has a slightly better case than him anyway. I'm not trying to make the case that Eli should be in the HOF - just that you probably shouldn't be surprised if he ends up there.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder11 on January 15, 2019, 08:40:47 AM
There are only 20 QB's that have even made it to the superbowl more than once. Of those, 12 are already in the HOF, 2 more are locks, with another 1 or 2 likely to make it eventually. Out of the full 20, only 12 have won more than 1 - all of which are, or will be, in the HOF. The only exception is Jim Plunkett, and Eli has a slightly better case than him anyway. I'm not trying to make the case that Eli should be in the HOF - just that you probably shouldn't be surprised if he ends up there.

If winning 2 superbowls as a qb is all that qualifies you for HOF, would Nick Foles had gotten in, had he won one this year?
Of those 12, how many had anything near the regular season stats that Eli has? again career  .500 W/L. And thats with some absolutely dominate defenses. 
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 15, 2019, 01:26:35 PM
If winning 2 superbowls as a qb is all that qualifies you for HOF, would Nick Foles had gotten in, had he won one this year?
Of those 12, how many had anything near the regular season stats that Eli has? again career  .500 W/L. And thats with some absolutely dominate defenses.
Good points. Although I think Nick Foles is seriously underrated and is going to get a nice job next year. Never really got why he didn't start for anyone after the regular season stats he put together with Philly the first time around. Giants, anyone?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 15, 2019, 04:06:29 PM
If winning 2 superbowls as a qb is all that qualifies you for HOF, would Nick Foles had gotten in, had he won one this year?
Of those 12, how many had anything near the regular season stats that Eli has? again career  .500 W/L. And thats with some absolutely dominate defenses.
Nick Foles has played in a total of 52 games - so no, if he had won this year too and retired, he would not have gotten in. Contrast that with Eli's 15 seasons and 252 games as an average to above average starting QB. There's plenty of players in every sport's HOF that have gotten in on championships and/or longevity, despite never being elite players.

This is kind of a silly discussion. I don't believe Eli deserves to be in the HOF because he was just never that good of a QB - probably never even cracked top 5 QB in a given season. But to pretend that therefore he'll never get in is to ignore the reality of who gets in. Rings and longevity are a potent combo, especially for a QB.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder11 on January 15, 2019, 07:28:37 PM
Nick Foles has played in a total of 52 games - so no, if he had won this year too and retired, he would not have gotten in. Contrast that with Eli's 15 seasons and 252 games as an average to above average starting QB. There's plenty of players in every sport's HOF that have gotten in on championships and/or longevity, despite never being elite players.

This is kind of a silly discussion. I don't believe Eli deserves to be in the HOF because he was just never that good of a QB - probably never even cracked top 5 QB in a given season. But to pretend that therefore he'll never get in is to ignore the reality of who gets in. Rings and longevity are a potent combo, especially for a QB.

Ok if you don't like the Nick Foles analogy, how about if Joe Flacco makes another run at one?
Whats above average about a 500 career with a TD-INT ratio of 1.5/1??
Can't ignore either that he had dominate defenses for large part of his career (especially early on)

Also, just curious, but are you a Giants fan?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on January 15, 2019, 08:40:56 PM
Ok if you don't like the Nick Foles analogy, how about if Joe Flacco makes another run at one?
Yeah, Flacco would have a strong chance in that scenario. He still doesn't match Eli's longevity, but definitely the same kind of thing - where he's pretty average over the course of his career. I will say that I think Eli's legacy gets a boost from the fact that his 2 wins were over Brady and the Pats. Flacco's existing win (over the 49'ers with Kap) doesn't come anywhere near that kind of pedigree. Same with where they played. Winning the NY definitely gets you a different image than most other places - certainly BAL. Joe Namath - he of the 1.2/1.6 TD/INT ratio (Eli's is 1.6/1.0 btw), <200yd/gm career average and only 50% completion rate - is in the HOF on the strength of his one NY SB win.

Whats above average about a 500 career with a TD-INT ratio of 1.5/1??
I don't mean evaluating his career as whole (though a case could be made there as well). I mean that he definitely had individual seasons where you'd put him in the upper tier of the league's QB's (his 4 Pro Bowls are a decent reminder of that), which should certainly qualify for above average.

Also, just curious, but are you a Giants fan?
No. You're taking a very weird angle on this. I'm not a Giants fan, and I already told you I don't think Eli deserves to be in the HOF. But that's a different question than will he get into the HOF. I don't understand why you can't grasp this. Players with his kind of resume get in, even if they shouldn't.

Here's a decently written version of basically the same argument: http://www.realclearlife.com/sports/eli-mannings-case-for-the-hall-of-fame-is-a-complicated-one/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 15, 2019, 09:27:07 PM
Any non Giants fans here that think Eli Manning should be a Hall of famer?

FTFY, at least for this Giants fan and his friends.

Also, re:
If winning 2 superbowls as a qb is all that qualifies you for HOF, would Nick Foles had gotten in, had he won one this year?
Of those 12, how many had anything near the regular season stats that Eli has? again career  .500 W/L. And thats with some absolutely dominate defenses. 

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Post by: dealfinder11 on January 15, 2019, 10:14:47 PM
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Yeah, Flacco would have a strong chance in that scenario. He still doesn't match Eli's longevity, but definitely the same kind of thing - where he's pretty average over the course of his career. I will say that I think Eli's legacy gets a boost from the fact that his 2 wins were over Brady and the Pats. Flacco's existing win (over the 49'ers with Kap) doesn't come anywhere near that kind of pedigree. Same with where they played. Winning the NY definitely gets you a different image than most other places - certainly BAL. Joe Namath - he of the 1.2/1.6 TD/INT ratio (Eli's is 1.6/1.0 btw), <200yd/gm career average and only 50% completion rate - is in the HOF on the strength of his one NY SB win.

Are we just going to ignore eras in terms of offensive production?
 I understand the NY point and it's valid.
However if he goes up for HOF at same time as Rivers/Ben/Breeze thats going to lose some of its juice.

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I don't mean evaluating his career as whole (though a case could be made there as well). I mean that he definitely had individual seasons where you'd put him in the upper tier of the league's QB's (his 4 Pro Bowls are a decent reminder of that), which should certainly qualify for above average.

We are talking the Hall Of Fame here

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You're taking a very weird angle on this. I'm not a Giants fan, and I already told you I don't think Eli deserves to be in the HOF.

Never met a non Giant fan that thought there was a good argument to put Eli in the HOF
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Post by: dealfinder11 on January 15, 2019, 10:15:53 PM
FTFY, at least for this Giants fan and his friends.

Also, re:
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Post by: Yehuda57 on January 15, 2019, 10:44:22 PM
I don't think the argument is winning 2 SBs, it's beating the Pats twice that makes him a deserved HOF lock
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Post by: skyguy918 on January 15, 2019, 11:45:28 PM
Are we just going to ignore eras in terms of offensive production?
 I understand the NY point and it's valid.
However if he goes up for HOF at same time as Rivers/Ben/Breeze thats going to lose some of its juice.

We are talking the Hall Of Fame here

Never met a non Giant fan that thought there was a good argument to put Eli in the HOF
You're being obtuse. We've already clearly agreed that we think he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. The question I pivoted to is will he get in. So let me ask you, do you think he will get in?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Moshe26 on January 16, 2019, 09:18:35 AM
You're being obtuse. We've already clearly agreed that we think he doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. The question I pivoted to is will he get in. So let me ask you, do you think he will get in?
does get deserve to make it to the HOF? No
Will he make the HOF? Yes. Bc of mainly because of 3 things 1- he has 2 rings and they came against the GOAT. 2- his last name is Manning. 3- he played for the Giants. And yes I'm a giants fan
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 16, 2019, 12:23:21 PM
does get deserve to make it to the HOF? No
Will he make the HOF? Yes. Bc of mainly because of 3 things 1- he has 2 rings and they came against the GOAT. 2- his last name is Manning. 3- he played for the Giants. And yes I'm a giants fan
I dont think the name Manning is a factor, but the other two may very well be. Also, god for you for not thinking he deserves it, but did you feel the same way 2-3 years ago? I think Giants fans are just upset at him now..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 16, 2019, 01:59:13 PM
I dont think the name Manning is a factor, but the other two may very well be. Also, god for you for not thinking he deserves it, but did you feel the same way 2-3 years ago? I think Giants fans are just upset at him now..

I've always loved him for his calm demeanor, his consistently above average performance, and his nearly unprecedented durability. No doubt the Giants will miss all 3 in the near future. But never did I think he deserved to be in the HoF.
This is not an absolute rule, but for the most part, QBs in today's day and age that belong in the HoF are the ones whose teams you know should win 9-10 games or more every year, regardless of any other details you have on the team (i.e. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, maybe Luck (soon enough) & Big Ben, not so much Eli, Romo, Flacco, Stafford, Ryan, etc). Again, it's not a hard rule, but to me works more often than not.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 16, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
I've always loved him for his calm demeanor, his consistently above average performance, and his nearly unprecedented durability. No doubt the Giants will miss all 3 in the near future. But never did I think he deserved to be in the HoF.
This is not an absolute rule, but for the most part, QBs in today's day and age that belong in the HoF are the ones whose teams you know should win 9-10 games or more every year, regardless of any other details you have on the team (i.e. Brady, Rodgers, Brees, maybe Luck (soon enough) & Big Ben, not so much Eli, Romo, Flacco, Stafford, Ryan, etc). Again, it's not a hard rule, but to me works more often than not.
I think this was consistently true of Ryan, and even this year, he put up really phenomenal numbers, despite the many issues ATL had. Don't forget he won an MVP and made it to a Super Bowl and WOULD have won, if not for the greatest collapse in history. Not an excuse for him, I'm just saying his regular season credentials put Eli's to shame, and I don't think he's going to end up a HOFer anytime soon, unless he actually takes home a ring or two before he finishes.

Another guy you missed is Russell Wilson, once again one of the most underrated QBs now and ever. I'd put him there alot faster than Luck.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sammyonetwo on January 18, 2019, 12:46:17 AM
Back on Eli Manning I do u understand why non giants fans hate him and say he at best average, because he has been during most of his career.

But the HOF is meant for players who were special.

And Eli Manning when it matter most was beyond elite and done crazy special stuff more then Peyton and 99 percent of qb.

So it that category hes better then Peyton who only got his Second ring from his defense not because he made any special plays.

Now I cant say that should get you in the HOF but it definitely gets you in a storybook of special QB of all time.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Sammyonetwo on January 18, 2019, 12:51:59 AM
In 20 years someone wants to see the best catches in history they will see mankind 3 times OBJ tyree manningham. Best comebacks theyll see Manning, best upset they see Manning. Most yards touchdown they see Manning mist cluch QB which matters most they see Manning, most super bowls winning QB they see Eli most super bowl MVP they see Manning, roadpayoofs team to win a super bowl Manning again, most starts Manning there more not gonna bore you but then they ask who is t this guy in the HOF.

And thats a good question
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Proisrael on January 18, 2019, 01:49:23 AM
In 20 years someone wants to see the best catches in history they will see mankind 3 times OBJ tyree manningham. Best comebacks theyll see Manning, best upset they see Manning. Most yards touchdown they see Manning mist cluch QB which matters most they see Manning, most super bowls winning QB they see Eli most super bowl MVP they see Manning, roadpayoofs team to win a super bowl Manning again, most starts Manning there more not gonna bore you but then they ask who is t this guy in the HOF.

And thats a good question

Comebacks were tied to stunning catches, Kapernick could've been throwing the balls and they were gonna have the same chances to get caught. Eli in the system and players around him did horrible. If you took a legit QB like Luck/Ryan etc.. They wouldve been unstoppable. Manning has blown more games then coming in clutch. Oh Yeah I hate the Giants.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 18, 2019, 09:38:48 AM
In 20 years someone wants to see the best catches in history they will see mankind 3 times OBJ tyree manningham. Best comebacks theyll see Manning, best upset they see Manning. Most yards touchdown they see Manning mist cluch QB which matters most they see Manning, most super bowls winning QB they see Eli most super bowl MVP they see Manning, roadpayoofs team to win a super bowl Manning again, most starts Manning there more not gonna bore you but then they ask who is t this guy in the HOF.

And thats a good question
I'm not going to lie, I didn't fully understand everything you said. But some of the things you named are the arguments against him. He was saved by players around him, he was always playing from behind etc... these are not things elite QBs need, only subpar QBs with miraculous runs/games
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Post by: Moshe26 on January 18, 2019, 09:46:04 AM
I'm not going to lie, I didn't fully understand everything you said. But some of the things you named are the arguments against him. He was saved by players around him, he was always playing from behind etc... these are not things elite QBs need, only subpar QBs with miraculous runs/games
at the end of the day he brought NY 2 ring and they were against arguably the best QB to ever play the game.
if Eli would've accomplished what he accomplished in other lower tier market i dont think he would've even been considered to make the HOF.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 18, 2019, 09:50:01 AM
at the end of the day he brought NY 2 ring and they were against arguably the best QB to ever play the game.
if Eli would've accomplished what he accomplished in other lower tier market i dont think he would've even been considered to make the HOF.
But again, while that's beautiful and amazing, it's 2 games. You don't shouldn't get into the HOF for 2 games, you should get in for a career, and his career sucked.

Yes, I agree he'll probably get in, unfortunately.
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Post by: skyguy918 on January 18, 2019, 09:57:19 AM
I'm not going to lie, I didn't fully understand everything you said. But some of the things you named are the arguments against him. He was saved by players around him, he was always playing from behind etc... these are not things elite QBs need, only subpar QBs with miraculous runs/games
You're really reaching to twist actual positives into negatives, and if someone really wanted they could do something similar to a guy like Brady or Peyton.

While it's sometimes true that a spectacular catch is the result of the WR making an amazing play off a terrible throw, most of the iconic ones involved amazing play from both the QB and WR. The Tyree throw itself wasn't special, but getting loose to be able to throw it was. The Manningham throw was spectacular in and of itself. OBJ has obviously made something out of nothing in a lot of his highlight reel catches, but there are plenty of great throws in there too. Would you say that Eli needed to be 'saved' by his skill players way more than Brady and Peyton? Of course. Probably even more than the average QB. But that doesn't take away from the iconic nature of some of these plays, which boost his candidacy. You can argue that that boost may be undeserved, but it's a reality that it will help him when it comes HOF voting time.

And your point about playing from behind is ridiculous. Brady is absolutely gets a ton of credit - and rightfully so - for how no lead felt safe from him. Does the fact that his team fell behind in the first place take anything away from that? Of course not. Same for Eli. Coming from behind has has more to do with how well you start vs how well you finish and also how well your defense is playing. It's certainly not a knock on a player on its own.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Moshe26 on January 18, 2019, 10:56:06 AM
But again, while that's beautiful and amazing, it's 2 games. You don't shouldn't get into the HOF for 2 games, you should get in for a career, and his career sucked.

Yes, I agree he'll probably get in, unfortunately.
i dont think he sucked his entire career- true last few years have been dreadful but you cant put all the blame on him- the OL has been shameful.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 18, 2019, 11:32:56 AM
I agree about the catches and comebacks, but come on? Road playoff victories? That's for teams that went 9-7 and have 2-3 road games, as opposed to Brady who can count on a few fingers how many road playoff games he's played before the conf championship over more than a decade. Plus, how about 0? As in, 0 playoff wins outside of those 2 SB seasons. Now, that's a big "outside of," agreed, but if in a 14 year career, you either miss the playoffs or go one and done in 12/14, and have an all-time W-L record (which is very diff from pitching W/L, as above) just 2 games above .500, it's hard to call him an easy HoF'er, and that's from a Giants and Eli fan.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on January 21, 2019, 07:55:19 AM
@ChaimMoskowitz I agree. Brady is a better GOAT than LeBron.

Just ridiculous.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 21, 2019, 09:44:22 PM
@ChaimMoskowitz I agree. Brady is a better GOAT than LeBron.

Just ridiculous.
You cant really compare football to basketball, but in a way, certainly
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ttn on January 21, 2019, 10:04:54 PM
You cant really compare football to basketball, but in a way, certainly
That is why I agree with JJ . The way Brady elevates his team in a real team sport is unfathomable (coming from a jets fan who has just given up).
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Moshe26 on January 22, 2019, 11:41:53 AM
@ChaimMoskowitz I agree. Brady is a better GOAT than LeBron. Jordan

Just ridiculous.
FTFY
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: ben89 on January 22, 2019, 01:59:35 PM
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: farmbochur on January 22, 2019, 02:13:24 PM
Did they also call roughing the passer for the slap on Brady's shoulder?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 23, 2019, 12:40:31 AM
Hey Bears what are you waiting for?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/carli-lloyd-ive-definitely-got-some-inquiries-in-nfl-after-55-yard-field-goal/ar-AAGbMMK?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 24, 2019, 09:35:33 PM
Andrew Luck retiring?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: TimT on August 24, 2019, 10:48:59 PM
Andrew Luck retiring?
Wow! Sad to see
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 25, 2019, 05:36:38 AM
Talk about some classless fans. We are seeing this behavior more and more.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: TimT on August 25, 2019, 05:41:11 AM
Talk about some classless fans. We are seeing this behavior more and more.
They dont deserve him. Just disgusting
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Proisrael on August 25, 2019, 07:46:10 AM
Talk about some classless fans. We are seeing this behavior more and more.

Probably fans who had drafted him....
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 25, 2019, 10:06:39 AM
Andrew Luck retiring?
Physical toll on Andrew Luck through 6 NFL seasons:
Torn cartilage in 2 ribs
partially torn abdomen
a lacerated kidney that left him peeing blood
at least 1 concussion
a torn labrum in his throwing shoulder
and this mysterious calf/ankle issue that led to this
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2019, 10:10:39 AM
Talk about some classless fans. We are seeing this behavior more and more.
Vile.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 25, 2019, 02:39:55 PM
Vile.
...and the exact opposite!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colts-leave-door-open-to-lucks-return-with-stunning-parting-gift-of-dollar248m/ar-AAGjiK1?li=BBnb7Kz
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 25, 2019, 07:03:25 PM
...and the exact opposite!
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/colts-leave-door-open-to-lucks-return-with-stunning-parting-gift-of-dollar248m/ar-AAGjiK1?li=BBnb7Kz
So, classy ownership, classless fans?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 25, 2019, 08:06:14 PM
So, classy ownership, classless fans?
Pretty sad.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on August 25, 2019, 08:25:14 PM
Give the booing fans a break. It was on the spur of the moment, after they just heard shocking and disappointing news, and all it takes is one fan to start booing for it to catch on without people really thinking about what they are doing. I would guess if you would ask the vast majority of them afterwards how they wish they would have reacted they would say, "standing O".

I hope they get the chance with a nice send off this season.

The media personalities going after Luck for being soft are despicable.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 25, 2019, 08:36:28 PM
Give the booing fans a break. It was on the spur of the moment, after they just heard shocking and disappointing news, and all it takes is one fan to start booing for it to catch on without people really thinking about what they are doing. I would guess if you would ask the vast majority of them afterwards how they wish they would have reacted they would say, "standing O".

I hope they get the chance with a nice send off this season.

The media personalities going after Luck for being soft are despicable.
Pure BS!!! They are classless!!! Now they are burning his uniform. Is that spur of the moment?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on August 25, 2019, 08:38:20 PM
Pure BS!!! They are classless!!! Now they are burning his uniform. Is that spur of the moment?
I'm talking specifically about the booing, that there is room to give the benefit of the doubt. There is loads of classlessness to go around.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on August 25, 2019, 08:52:30 PM
I'm talking specifically about the booing, that there is room to give the benefit of the doubt. There is loads of classlessness to go around.
If they are any type of fan that have to know what he has been through.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on September 07, 2019, 06:52:59 PM
WOW, why not take a shot?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/antonio-brown-agrees-to-terms-with-patriots/ar-AAGXmnl?ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on November 15, 2019, 12:16:26 PM
How long of a ban for CLE player?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-world-stunned-by-myles-garrett-attack-on-mason-rudolph-calls-for-season-long-ban-jail/ar-BBWMJad?ocid=spartanntp
Give him credit for accepting responsibility.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/myles-garrett-on-attacking-mason-rudolph-i-made-a-mistake-i-lost-my-cool/ar-BBWN1oJ?ocid=spartanntp
Also what about the guy that was kicking him when he was down on the ground?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Chapshnell on November 15, 2019, 12:17:47 PM
Cant touch a mans junk. Rudolph did that Check out twitter
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on November 15, 2019, 12:21:03 PM
Cant touch a mans junk. Rudolph did that Check out twitter
SAY WHAT?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on November 15, 2019, 12:24:12 PM
How long of a ban for CLE player?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-world-stunned-by-myles-garrett-attack-on-mason-rudolph-calls-for-season-long-ban-jail/ar-BBWMJad?ocid=spartanntp
Give him credit for accepting responsibility.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/myles-garrett-on-attacking-mason-rudolph-i-made-a-mistake-i-lost-my-cool/ar-BBWN1oJ?ocid=spartanntp
Also what about the guy that was kicking him when he was down on the ground?
Ouch!

"Garrett has been suspended without pay indefinitely -- at a minimum of the remainder of the regular season and postseason -- and must meet with the commissioner's office prior to a decision on his reinstatement. He was also fined an additional amount. Garrett violated the unnecessary roughness and unsportsmanlike conduct rules, as well as fighting, removing the helmet of an opponent and using the helmet as a weapon.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on November 15, 2019, 12:32:49 PM
Ouch!

"Garrett has been suspended without pay indefinitely -- at a minimum of the remainder of the regular season and postseason -- and must meet with the commissioner's office prior to a decision on his reinstatement. He was also fined an additional amount. Garrett violated the unnecessary roughness and unsportsmanlike conduct rules, as well as fighting, removing the helmet of an opponent and using the helmet as a weapon.
Deserved. That was hard to watch last night.
And just when things were looking up for the Browns too :(
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on November 29, 2019, 05:52:36 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-world-reacts-to-refs-missing-horrific-hit-to-mitchell-trubiskys-head/ar-BBXu0Cu?ocid=spartandhp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on November 29, 2019, 09:37:23 AM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-world-reacts-to-refs-missing-horrific-hit-to-mitchell-trubiskys-head/ar-BBXu0Cu?ocid=spartandhp

Borderline penalty at worst. Mitch gets tripped and is falling before hit. Wouldve hit the chest otherwise. Watch in real time and its not a late hit either.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on November 29, 2019, 10:16:52 AM
I watched it live. Here is another angle since you seem to be blind.  :)
https://247sports.com/Article/Mitch-Trubisky-missed-penalty-roughing-the-passer-Chicago-Bears-Detroit-Lions-139359431/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on January 15, 2020, 10:03:15 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/video-cowboys-legend-drew-pearsons-reaction-to-missing-hall-of-fame-again-is-gutting/ar-BBYZcxD?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on January 24, 2020, 12:07:49 PM
Eli Manning HOF or not?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on January 24, 2020, 12:09:49 PM
Eli Manning HOF or not?
Can I say yes and then run?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: herb on January 24, 2020, 12:09:59 PM
Eli Manning HOF or not?
here we go for the next 5 yrs...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on January 24, 2020, 12:49:27 PM
Eli Manning HOF or not?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/john-mara-to-eli-manning-no-giant-will-ever-wear-no-10-again/ar-BBZisFr?ocid=spartanntp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mercaz1 on January 24, 2020, 12:51:32 PM
im a jets fan but I think he is a hall of famer
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 24, 2020, 12:58:35 PM
I'm a giants fan and I think he's not. I also think we've had this discussion before.
Don't get me wrong, I love the guy, his incredible character and durability and two unforgettable runs.
But take away those two wins and he's probably not even close to HOF so 2 games shouldn't bring him from not even close to in IMHO.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on January 24, 2020, 01:00:47 PM
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/john-mara-to-eli-manning-no-giant-will-ever-wear-no-10-again/ar-BBZisFr?ocid=spartanntp
#9 has two super bowl rings...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 24, 2020, 01:05:22 PM
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48552.msg2046682#msg2046682
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mercaz1 on January 24, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
he is only one of 5 Qbs to have multiple super bowl mvps
he is in top 10 in numerous categories
he started 220 games in a row
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on January 24, 2020, 01:19:46 PM
he is only one of 5 Qbs to have multiple super bowl mvps
Are the other 4 in the HOF?
he is in top 10 in numerous categories
Are all the other QB's that are in the top 10 of numerous categories in the HOF?
he started 220 games in a row
Give him the ironman award.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mercaz1 on January 24, 2020, 01:23:51 PM
Are the other 4 in the HOF?Are all the other QB's that are in the top 10 of numerous categories in the HOF?Give him the ironman award.  :)

the other 4 are

Terry bradshaw
Bart Starr
Tom Brady
Joe montana

pretty good company
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder11 on January 24, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
he is only one of 5 Qbs to have multiple super bowl mvps
he is in top 10 in numerous categories
he started 220 games in a row

So Nick Foles was 2 games away from being a HOFer?

since when does durability get you into the hall?

Also, what was the highest vote he EVER  received for MVP?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on February 12, 2020, 06:09:26 PM
LMAO

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Ergel on April 21, 2020, 05:02:09 PM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2887811-report-rob-gronkowski-told-patriots-he-wants-trade-to-bucs-tom-brady-reunion

Woh!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on April 23, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
What if there is a draft and nobody cares?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 03, 2020, 03:42:03 PM

Washington Redskins, no more? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname%3fplatform=amp
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: S209 on July 03, 2020, 04:18:58 PM
Washington Redskins, no more? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname%3fplatform=amp
IIRC They went to the Supreme Court over their name a few years back (represented by Ron Coleman) and won
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 03, 2020, 05:47:32 PM
Washington Redskins, no more? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname%3fplatform=amp
Here we go again..
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 03, 2020, 05:51:55 PM
IIRC They went to the Supreme Court over their name a few years back (represented by Ron Coleman) and won
?s=20
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Lurker on July 03, 2020, 06:19:00 PM
What if there is a draft and nobody cares?

There was a draft?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 05, 2020, 05:22:14 PM
Washington Redskins, no more? https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29405011/redskins-undergo-thorough-review-nickname%3fplatform=amp
@Dan are the Cleveland Indians next?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/05/us/cleveland-indians-mascot-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 05, 2020, 07:44:56 PM
@Dan are the Cleveland Indians next?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/07/05/us/cleveland-indians-mascot-trnd/index.html
Blackhawks @CountValentine
Probably won't be any Indian named teams in sports by the middle of the decade.
Then PETA will start going after animal named teams.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 05, 2020, 09:16:12 PM
Blackhawks @CountValentine
They give them a ton of money so we will see. Have not heard any rumblings.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Afrages6 on July 05, 2020, 09:31:54 PM
They give them a ton of money so we will see. Have not heard any rumblings.
So why dont the redskins pay them off as well?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 05, 2020, 09:37:51 PM
They give them a ton of money so we will see. Have not heard any rumblings.

https://theathletic.com/1888307/2020/06/25/is-it-time-for-the-chicago-blackhawks-to-drop-their-native-american-logo/

https://blackhawkup.com/2020/07/03/will-blackhawks-forced-change-name/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 05, 2020, 11:53:03 PM
So why dont the redskins pay them off as well?
Who said anything about a payoff? "Redskins" by itself is offensive.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Kobe Bryant on July 05, 2020, 11:55:34 PM
Who said anything about a payoff? "Redskins" by itself is offensive.
"Blackhawks" is offensive, and so is Washington, whats new?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 05, 2020, 11:56:30 PM
"Blackhawks" is offensive, and so is Washington, whats new?
Go away. Your picture is done and accurate!!!
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 06, 2020, 12:45:07 AM
So why dont the redskins pay them off as well?
The Redskins statement literally says they are weighing the monetary gains of keeping the same name (brand recognition) vs the liability of losing money from keeping it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2020, 12:47:45 AM
Why is Blackhawks better than Indians, Braves, or Chiefs?
Let's get real, they're all going to be cancelled in this climate.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 06, 2020, 07:17:38 AM
Why is Blackhawks better than Indians, Braves, or Chiefs?
Let's get real, they're all going to be cancelled in this climate.
I guess how you frame it "might" matter.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on July 06, 2020, 10:31:57 AM
I guess how you frame it "might" matter.
Blackhawks can be reframed as a bird the other three not so much...
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 06, 2020, 11:00:45 AM
Blackhawks can be reframed as a bird the other three not so much...
The are framing it as honoring the tribe. So far so good.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dan on July 08, 2020, 07:03:02 PM
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/08/us/chicago-blackhawks-name-spt-trnd/index.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 08, 2020, 07:07:31 PM
I give the Hawks credit for sticking up for Native Americans.  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on July 08, 2020, 07:40:56 PM
I give the Hawks credit for sticking up for Native Americans.  :)
All in the framing.

"The Chicago Blackhawks' name and logo symbolizes an important and historic person, Black Hawk of Illinois' Sac & Fox Nation, whose leadership and life has inspired generations of Native Americans, veterans and the public," the team said in a statement.
"We celebrate Black Hawk's legacy by offering ongoing reverent examples of Native American culture, traditions and contributions, providing a platform for genuine dialogue with local and national Native American groups. As the team's popularity grew over the past decade, so did that platform and our work with these important organizations."
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Dawie on October 20, 2020, 09:15:46 AM
this thread  8)

Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Lurker on October 20, 2020, 09:20:56 AM
this thread  8)

Twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1318189627019329536

I wonder if anyone's gone back to see if Belichick has ever pulled this stunt.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2020, 10:04:44 AM
Meh - pretty high praise for something that worked in hindsight, but wasn't necessarily the best strategy. First of all, letting the other team score to get the ball back with a little more time is nothing new. If anything, this 'fake' penalty is worse, because the Texans ended up burning another whole minute before scoring (thus burning the 2 minute warning). Not only that, the Titans got lucky that Crennel decided to try to seal the game with a 2pt conversion instead of taking the extra point and forcing the Titans to not only score but convert their own 2pt.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on October 20, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
Meh - pretty high praise for something that worked in hindsight, but wasn't necessarily the best strategy. First of all, letting the other team score to get the ball back with a little more time is nothing new. If anything, this 'fake' penalty is worse, because the Texans ended up burning another whole minute before scoring (thus burning the 2 minute warning). Not only that, the Titans got lucky that Crennel decided to try to seal the game with a 2pt conversion instead of taking the extra point and forcing the Titans to not only score but convert their own 2pt.

The innovative strategy is to take a penalty to stop the clock, not the "let them score to get the ball back". It's 2nd and 1, they're likely gonna get the 1st down regardless, and they will for sure run the ball on that play. Taking the penalty stops the clock, saves time, and also made the Texans more likely to pass the ball. The fact the Texans burned another minute afterwards only makes the strategy more valuable.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 20, 2020, 12:57:00 PM
I wonder if anyone's gone back to see if Belichick has ever pulled this stunt.

They did it to eachother
https://www.tennesseetitans.com/video/bill-belichick-reacts-to-mike-vrabel-using-penalties-to-wind-down-the-clock
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2020, 01:05:43 PM
The innovative strategy is to take a penalty to stop the clock, not the "let them score to get the ball back". It's 2nd and 1, they're likely gonna get the 1st down regardless, and they will for sure run the ball on that play. Taking the penalty stops the clock, saves time, and also made the Texans more likely to pass the ball. The fact the Texans burned another minute afterwards only makes the strategy more valuable.
My point is not that it was a bad/wrong move, but that it was only marginally effective. The fact that it worked out and they won the game had more to do with Crennel's incompetence and good playmaking by the Titans' offense.
They did it to eachother
https://www.tennesseetitans.com/video/bill-belichick-reacts-to-mike-vrabel-using-penalties-to-wind-down-the-clock
That's the opposite scenario, and they changed the rule this year to close that 'loophole'.
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/2020-rules-changes-and-points-of-emphasis/
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on October 20, 2020, 01:35:55 PM
My point is not that it was a bad/wrong move, but that it was only marginally effective. The fact that it worked out and they won the game had more to do with Crennel's incompetence and good playmaking by the Titans' offense.

Without stopping the clock they lose, so I'd call it pretty effective, even if the actual gains were small. Yeh there were other factors, but what Crennel decides is not in his hands, Vrabel tilted the odds in his favor and it worked out.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2020, 02:36:49 PM
Without stopping the clock they lose...
You mind lending me the crystal ball you used to determine that? Maybe without stopping the clock the Texans score earlier, and the exact same scenario plays out with more time, not less. Maybe instead of conceding the first down, they make the stop 2 plays in a row (which is exactly what they did at the goal line before the TD) and force the FG, and end up with the same amount of time on the clock - winning in regulation with a TD.

There are actually models for this stuff, that determine win probability after each play. ESPN's doesn't appear to show the penalty as a play on their graph, but pre penalty it was 82.7% (TEN) and post the next play (incomplete pass - which obviously would lower win probability) it was 78.8%. The penalty couldn't have been much of a boost in win probability.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on October 20, 2020, 06:32:22 PM
You mind lending me the crystal ball you used to determine that? Maybe without stopping the clock the Texans score earlier, and the exact same scenario plays out with more time, not less. Maybe instead of conceding the first down, they make the stop 2 plays in a row (which is exactly what they did at the goal line before the TD) and force the FG, and end up with the same amount of time on the clock - winning in regulation with a TD.

Or maybe there's a botched snap and the Titans recover. Not a likely scenario, so you don't take it into account when you're coaching to win. The odds of Texans not getting a 1st down after 2nd and 1 is extremely low. And if they don't get it on 2nd down, they get it on 3rd down and they just added 2 extra plays. The odds of them running the ball on 2nd and 1 is extremely high. The odds of passing (and not running the clock) on 1st down is much higher than on 2nd and 1. Give them the 1st down and try to stop them. If you don't stop them, at least you saved 40 seconds.


Quote
There are actually models for this stuff, that determine win probability after each play. ESPN's doesn't appear to show the penalty as a play on their graph, but pre penalty it was 82.7% (TEN) and post the next play (incomplete pass - which obviously would lower win probability) it was 78.8%. The penalty couldn't have been much of a boost in win probability.

"According to EdjSports, a data analysis company that works with NFL teams, the penalty actually increased Tennessees win probability from around 17% to around 22%. It was a very significant aspect of a very significant drive because it saved the Titans time and a timeout.

The penalty helped for a few reasons. On second-and-1, the Texans were likely to convert on one of their next two plays. If they had converted on second down and stayed inbounds, they would have snapped the ball next on first down with around 2:20 remaining or with the Titans having used one of three precious timeouts."
https://sports.yahoo.com/titans-intentional-penalty-mike-vrabel-texans-161114454.html
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2020, 07:58:14 PM
Or maybe there's a botched snap and the Titans recover. Not a likely scenario, so you don't take it into account when you're coaching to win. The odds of Texans not getting a 1st down after 2nd and 1 is extremely low. And if they don't get it on 2nd down, they get it on 3rd down and they just added 2 extra plays. The odds of them running the ball on 2nd and 1 is extremely high. The odds of passing (and not running the clock) on 1st down is much higher than on 2nd and 1. Give them the 1st down and try to stop them. If you don't stop them, at least you saved 40 seconds.


"According to EdjSports, a data analysis company that works with NFL teams, the penalty actually increased Tennessees win probability from around 17% to around 22%. It was a very significant aspect of a very significant drive because it saved the Titans time and a timeout.

The penalty helped for a few reasons. On second-and-1, the Texans were likely to convert on one of their next two plays. If they had converted on second down and stayed inbounds, they would have snapped the ball next on first down with around 2:20 remaining or with the Titans having used one of three precious timeouts."
https://sports.yahoo.com/titans-intentional-penalty-mike-vrabel-texans-161114454.html
The 'very significant' is an editorialization by Yahoo. High impact plays typical hit 25-30% swings.

And of course every model that does this is going to have different numbers based on how its formulas/calcs are set up.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on October 20, 2020, 08:51:33 PM
Has there ever been a worse 5-1 team than the Bears?
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on October 20, 2020, 09:18:52 PM
Has there ever been a worse 5-1 team than the Bears?

Funny you ask, I just saw this earlier


Don't ask me what DVOA is.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: CountValentine on October 20, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
Don't ask me what DVOA is.
Defense-adjusted Value Over Average
Does that help?  :)
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on October 20, 2020, 10:06:22 PM
Defense-adjusted Value Over Average
Does that help?  :)

That much I know, but I don't know the math behind, just that people care for it.
Title: Re: NFL Master Thread
Post by: mercaz1 on October 21, 2020, 11:16:55 AM
by taking the penalty the Titans also stopped them from getting an extra first down as they were not inside the 20