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Title: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 04, 2015, 09:12:51 PM
http://elliott.org/is-this-a-scam/time-shut-shills-paid-endorse-credit-card-companies/

Wow, this guy really doesn't seem to like us very much!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: yakrot on February 04, 2015, 09:32:06 PM
Harsh.  #1 rule on Ddf is if you can't pay your bill on full every month this game is not for you, shred any cards you already have.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 04, 2015, 09:36:12 PM
he has some good points
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Freddie on February 04, 2015, 09:41:36 PM
Whenever I periodically wonder, "Gosh, somebody must be paying for me to fly to Australia in F," I am reminded by articles like these, "Oh, yeah, 90% of the people who will open a card for the bonus will end up paying thousands of dollars in interest payments!"
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 04, 2015, 09:43:17 PM
"People don't read the fine print." Not the bloggers fault.
& he leaves out a very important thing. "Choice"
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 12:29:20 AM
Whenever I periodically wonder, "Gosh, somebody must be paying for me to fly to Australia in F," I am reminded by articles like these, "Oh, yeah, 90% of the people who will open a card for the bonus will end up paying thousands of dollars in interest payments!"
FWF use to rip CB for being a bunch of deadbeats. Then they realized they were a necessary part of the food chain. This was during the lucrative BT days.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: dpk4588 on February 05, 2015, 12:43:28 AM
Yes, these bloggers have skin in the game but that doesn't mean they're advice isn't good and it doesn't mean what they're doing is wrong. Just because they make money off of it doesn't mean that they're in it to screw the people they're giving advice to. Its actually beneficial for these bloggers to give the readers all the facts, because if the readers get screwed by not having all the info, they won't be repeat customers, which costs the bloggers money.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ez1985 on February 05, 2015, 01:01:34 AM
Yes, these bloggers have skin in the game but that doesn't mean they're advice isn't good and it doesn't mean what they're doing is wrong. Just because they make money off of it doesn't mean that they're in it to screw the people they're giving advice to. Its actually beneficial for these bloggers to give the readers all the facts, because if the readers get screwed by not having all the info, they won't be repeat customers, which costs the bloggers money.
i agree. I thought his point about not trusting a blogger because he is making money on uou us stupid. Do you not trust your insurance agent because he makes money off you signing up for something?  You need to use the one you trust and the same goes for a blogger.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: dpk4588 on February 05, 2015, 01:11:49 AM
i agree. I thought his point about not trusting a blogger because he is making money on uou us stupid. Do you not trust your insurance agent because he makes money off you signing up for something?  You need to use the one you trust and the same goes for a blogger.
I actually thought about using that analogy, the problem is in some cases someone like an insurance agent might make more money if you get a more expensive policy and might therefore push that one even if its not the best option for you. I don't know if that's true or not with credit card blogs, but if it is, it would kind of reinforce the point of the article.

But again I don't know if there are different levels of compensation for different cards or not.

You're right, the bottom line is use someone you trust, and that's not a rule for just credit card/travel blogs and insurance brokers.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 01:38:14 AM
its not that I dont trust the blogs that push affiliate links but I do trust them less, and I know I wont get the full picture form them. The blogs that dont have affiliate links have a lot of great info that  the others blogs dont go near. Sometimes the affiliate blogs wont talk about stuff because they dont want to rock the boat with the advertisers and some have the attitude that they will only talk about something if they make money.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Myccrabbi on February 05, 2015, 01:45:57 AM
Iirc, every DDS (that i attended )dan starts off by saying that if you have no self control (in spending money) this game is not for you!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 02:21:46 AM
Iirc, every DDS (that i attended )dan starts off by saying that if you have no self control (in spending money) this game is not for you!

thats not the only issue
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 09:04:18 AM
Iirc, every DDS (that i attended )dan starts off by saying that if you have no self control (in spending money) this game is not for you!
And every DDMS post explaining the cc game as well.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 09:13:42 AM
Same guy who advises cutting up your mileage earning credit card: http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/traveler-magazine/the-insider/loyalty-programs/

Who advises not collecting miles as they're just a scam: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20121119145727-332179-frequent-flier-programs-are-a-scam-here-s-why-you-should-quit-yours-now

And who decries lie-flat seats as class-warfare: http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2014/02/02/travelers-might-have-lost-the-class-war/5174745/

Who wants government regulation of mileage programs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-elliott/is-it-time-to-regulate-fr_b_3362291.html

Who thinks airline change fees spread ebola: http://elliott.org/the-navigator/shortsighted-airline-refund-policies-lead-outbreak/ 

Who thinks taxpayers subsidize business travelers: http://consumertraveler.com/columns/travel-like-a-pro/whos-subsidizing-those-first-class-tickets-you/

Who loves earning miles on spend instead of distance: http://elliott.org/blog/love-deltas-new-loyalty-program-youll-probably-hate/

And who asked his readers if he should get into the CC affiliate business: http://elliott.org/blog/now/
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 09:20:15 AM
"Odds are you won't be able to redeem the points the way you want to."
Has he never read a TR ? What planet is he on ?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 09:23:44 AM
Same guy who advises cutting up your mileage earning credit card: http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/traveler-magazine/the-insider/loyalty-programs/

Who advises not collecting miles as they're just a scam: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20121119145727-332179-frequent-flier-programs-are-a-scam-here-s-why-you-should-quit-yours-now

And who decries lie-flat seats as class-warfare: http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2014/02/02/travelers-might-have-lost-the-class-war/5174745/

Who wants government regulation of mileage programs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-elliott/is-it-time-to-regulate-fr_b_3362291.html

Who thinks airline change fees spread ebola: http://elliott.org/the-navigator/shortsighted-airline-refund-policies-lead-outbreak/ 

Who thinks taxpayers subsidize business travelers: http://consumertraveler.com/columns/travel-like-a-pro/whos-subsidizing-those-first-class-tickets-you/

Who loves earning miles on spend instead of distance: http://elliott.org/blog/love-deltas-new-loyalty-program-youll-probably-hate/

And who asked his readers if he should get into the CC affiliate business: http://elliott.org/blog/now/
Lol!
Did you put together that compilation yourself?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: shimino1 on February 05, 2015, 10:06:03 AM
All his poll questions are extremely leading
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 10:07:01 AM
i agree. I thought his point about not trusting a blogger because he is making money on uou us stupid. Do you not trust your insurance agent because he makes money off you signing up for something?  You need to use the one you trust and the same goes for a blogger.
I actually thought about using that analogy, the problem is in some cases someone like an insurance agent might make more money if you get a more expensive policy and might therefore push that one even if its not the best option for you. I don't know if that's true or not with credit card blogs, but if it is, it would kind of reinforce the point of the article.

But again I don't know if there are different levels of compensation for different cards or not.

You're right, the bottom line is use someone you trust, and that's not a rule for just credit card/travel blogs and insurance brokers.

As a lover of this topic please excuse the digression. He's actually right with that point, and yes, you should consider the financial incentives/motives of ANYONE giving you advice of any kind, whether it is insurance agent, stock broker, real estate agent, etc. Money makes the world go round. Human behavior is motivated by many factors and financial incentives are not only relevant but usually a powerful determinant. IMO they are actually the most predictive factor for human behavior. Same reason baseball players continue to get busted for steroid use even with huge repercussions - the financial benefit of a major league minimum salary for a minor leaguer is worth the risk of getting caught, the harm to the body including dying young and increasing the chances for many diseases, etc. There are billions/infinite other examples.

If you get a chance read the book Freakonomics and specifically check out the section that discusses the motives of real estate agents.

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Boruch999 on February 05, 2015, 10:32:17 AM
As a lover of this topic please excuse the digression. He's actually right with that point, and yes, you should consider the financial incentives/motives of ANYONE giving you advice of any kind, whether it is insurance agent, stock broker, real estate agent, etc. Money makes the world go round. Human behavior is motivated by many factors and financial incentives are not only relevant but usually a powerful determinant. IMO they are actually the most predictive factor for human behavior. Same reason baseball players continue to get busted for steroid use even with huge repercussions - the financial benefit of a major league minimum salary for a minor leaguer is worth the risk of getting caught, the harm to the body including dying young and increasing the chances for many diseases, etc. There are billions/infinite other examples.

If you get a chance read the book Freakonomics and specifically check out the section that discusses the motives of real estate agents.

The FACT is that DDMS is FULL of stuff that I'm pretty sure Dan doesn't make a cent on.  And does Capital One not have an affiliate program?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 10:40:28 AM
And does Capital One not have an affiliate program?
They do.

Regardless, what happened to personal responsibility?
It's a bloggers fault if you MS and don't pay your bills?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 10:43:07 AM
The FACT is that DDMS is FULL of stuff that I'm pretty sure Dan doesn't make a cent on.

It's also full of things he does make money on. Not just money but his living. What's your point?

And does Capital One not have an affiliate program?

I don't know actually. Do you? BTW having a cc issuer having an affiliate program doesn't mean they would approve every blogger.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 10:43:45 AM


The FACT is that DDMS is FULL of stuff that I'm pretty sure Dan doesn't make a cent on.  And does Capital One not have an affiliate program?

The reality is not like you say.
And if not for crapitol one being as bad as they are, I'm sure they would be posted. There is only so much you can pass of as a good deal
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 10:44:58 AM

The reality is not like you say.
And if not for crapitol one being as bad as they are, I'm sure they would be posted. There is only so much you can pass of as a good deal
Nah, some bloggers push the Disney card ;)

There are many, many cards I turned down from promoting.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 10:45:10 AM
They do.

Regardless, what happened to personal responsibility?
It's a bloggers fault if you MS and don't pay your bills?

Exactly, this is the real problem with his stupid post.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 10:45:10 AM
The FACT is that DDMS is FULL of stuff that I'm pretty sure Dan doesn't make a cent on.  And does Capital One not have an affiliate program?
"Fact" and "pretty sure" don't mix well, though that's not the point of this conversation
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 10:46:27 AM
Nah, some bloggers push the Disney card ;)

There are many, many cards I turned down from promoting.

But if the price were right.. you would be crazy to turn it down. Also, picking and choosing is what built your rep as trustworthy which in turn makes you more revenue :). I'm just saying we can't pretend money isn't a factor in how you blog, that would be ridiculous, and I'm only accusing you of being a savvy, rational human being.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 10:46:31 AM
Same guy who advises cutting up your mileage earning credit card: http://travel.nationalgeographic.com/travel/traveler-magazine/the-insider/loyalty-programs/

Who advises not collecting miles as they're just a scam: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/20121119145727-332179-frequent-flier-programs-are-a-scam-here-s-why-you-should-quit-yours-now

And who decries lie-flat seats as class-warfare: http://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/2014/02/02/travelers-might-have-lost-the-class-war/5174745/

Who wants government regulation of mileage programs: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/christopher-elliott/is-it-time-to-regulate-fr_b_3362291.html

Who thinks airline change fees spread ebola: http://elliott.org/the-navigator/shortsighted-airline-refund-policies-lead-outbreak/ 

Who thinks taxpayers subsidize business travelers: http://consumertraveler.com/columns/travel-like-a-pro/whos-subsidizing-those-first-class-tickets-you/

Who loves earning miles on spend instead of distance: http://elliott.org/blog/love-deltas-new-loyalty-program-youll-probably-hate/

And who asked his readers if he should get into the CC affiliate business: http://elliott.org/blog/now/

OK, so he really really doesn't like us!!

Seems like he's all kinds of special! It's amazing what liberalism can do to the human brain!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 10:46:53 AM
Nah, some bloggers push the Disney card ;)

There are many, many cards I turned down from promoting.
One of the reasons I stick with this blog (usually )
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 10:49:03 AM
I'm just saying we can't pretend money isn't a factor in how you blog,

Nor could we pretend it isn't a factor in how/why we all do our jobs!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 10:50:26 AM
Nor could we pretend it isn't a factor in how/why we all do our jobs!

Or how/why we do EVERYTHING!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 10:51:10 AM
But if the price were right.. you would be crazy to turn it down. Also, picking and choosing is what built your rep as trustworthy which in turn makes you more revenue :). I'm just saying we can't pretend money isn't a factor in how you blog, that would be ridiculous, and I'm only accusing you of being a savvy, rational human being.
False.
I've been offered paid placements and insane commissions for some cards that I've turned down.
If I can't justify getting the card myself I won't write about it, period.

Yes, of course revenue influences decisions, as it should for any business.  But there are fine lines!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 10:54:56 AM
False.
I've been offered paid placements and insane commissions for some cards that I've turned down.
If I can't justify getting the card myself I won't write about it, period.

I do trust you on the cards piece, because teaching us how to manage our wallets is your core competency. If it's not in your short term interest to turn it down, my guess is it's in your long term interest (in your mind). It's either that or irrational Dan you choose :).

And my daily "amazon gold deal of the day" texts and deals to save a a couple dollars on 100 bags of popcorn or a package of diapers, all from amazon hmm, is a reminder that you don't apply that standard (only post about it if it's good enough for me) to all deals that you do for cards.

And I applaud you for it!

Yes, of course revenue influences decisions, as it should for any business.  But there are fine lines!
Thanks for admitting it. (seriously)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 10:55:17 AM
Or how/why we do EVERYTHING!

+1 We may not like it, but money makes the world go round!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 11:01:41 AM
False.
I've been offered paid placements and insane commissions for some cards that I've turned down.

Although now I'm very curious. Guessing it was for value cards with bad/no reward programs?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 11:02:25 AM
Although now I'm very curious. Guessing it was for value cards with bad/no reward programs?
Visa Black, Disney, etc.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 12:09:58 PM
Nah, some bloggers push the Disney card ;)

There are many, many cards I turned down from promoting.

IMO there are also things that you dont talk about because you dont get affiliate revenue from them, and because of that I do trust this blog less. Im not saying you are evil and pushing useless CC down your readers' throats but less transparency = less trust 

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 12:13:24 PM
"Odds are you won't be able to redeem the points the way you want to."
IME he is right sorry to say.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 12:15:28 PM
IMO there are also things that you dont talk about because you dont get affiliate revenue from them, and because of that I do trust this blog less. Im not saying you are evil and pushing useless CC down your readers' throats but less transparency = less trust
Depends what.

I didn't make a dime of the Exec 100K/75K cards but covered them more than any other blog.

End of the day, every business is going to push what pays the bills.  The key for any blogger is finding the right balance.
Difference here is that there's DDF where you can talk about everything as opposed to blogs without a forum for that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 12:15:35 PM
IME he is right sorry to say.
You just post it in the appropriate thread & within minutes the pro's map it out for you.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 12:20:45 PM
Depends what.

I didn't make a dime of the Exec 100K/75K cards but covered them more than any other blog.

End of the day, every business is going to push what pays the bills.  The key for any blogger is finding the right balance.
Difference here is that there's DDF where you can talk about everything as opposed to blogs without a forum for that.

Can't talk about CB portals which can make a big difference in certain cases, like when Staples first introduced  $200 VGCs on their website
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 12:22:40 PM
Depends what.

I didn't make a dime of the Exec 100K/75K cards but covered them more than any other blog.

End of the day, every business is going to push what pays the bills.  The key for any blogger is finding the right balance.
Difference here is that there's DDF where you can talk about everything as opposed to blogs without a forum for that.

just like bloggers have to draw their own lines readers have to draw their own conclusions
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 12:22:54 PM
Can't talk about CB portals which can make a big difference in certain cases, like when Staples first introduced  $200 VGCs on their website

Nor can you on other deal forums like SD.

Ultimately that undermines the entire business model.  So you have to make the choice, do you want the business to exist or not?

Is the service provided by the business worth "paying" for? Or is it always going to be expected for free?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 12:23:05 PM
You just post it in the appropriate thread & within minutes the pro's map it out for you.
The problem is I am not flexible.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 12:28:30 PM
Can't talk about CB portals which can make a big difference in certain cases, like when Staples first introduced  $200 VGCs on their website
I think that is very understandable if we discussed CB portals Dan would make no money and need to find a new job leaving us with nothing.
Don't just be a freeloader you are getting something very valuable here and should appreciate it by using Dan's links and keeping the site going
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 12:30:36 PM
The problem is I am not flexible.
Then you won't find much for good prices paying cash either.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 12:32:42 PM
I see many people here are extremely delusional about Dan and his site. I too benefit from it but I don't think for a second that Dan is in this for me. He's in it for himself, to make money. Frum yidden in general seem to have a very Utopian view of their dealings with other frum yidden, which explains why so many get scammed by their friends, neighbors, and community members. Whenever I see commnets on the site lauding Dan (like Dan's the Man) and gushing over him and all he does, I laugh at peoples' naivete.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 12:35:12 PM
Nor can you on other deal forums like SD.

Ultimately that undermines the entire business model.  So you have to make the choice, do you want the business to exist or not?

Is the service provided by the business worth "paying" for? Or is it always going to be expected for free?
I dont want this to sound like a personal attack but in contrast many bloggers did talk about the staples deal including some full time bloggers, that make their living as bloggers.

this is your business and you'll run it how you see fit, and I have no problems with that but i do trust you less because you aren't as transparent as other blogs.

A question to you. is DDf a deals forum like SD or a discussion forum like FT ( that does allow discussion of CB portals) ?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 12:36:32 PM
I see many people here are extremely delusional about Dan and his site. I too benefit from it but I don't think for a second that Dan is in this for me. He's in it for himself, to make money. Frum yidden in general seem to have a very Utopian view of their dealings with other frum yidden, which explains why so many get scammed by their friends, neighbors, and community members. Whenever I see commnets on the site lauding Dan (like Dan's the Man) and gushing over him and all he does, I laugh at peoples' naivete.

its all in the title Dan's deals
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 12:41:41 PM
I see many people here are extremely delusional about Dan and his site. I too benefit from it but I don't think for a second that Dan is in this for me. He's in it for himself, to make money. Frum yidden in general seem to have a very Utopian view of their dealings with other frum yidden, which explains why so many get scammed by their friends, neighbors, and community members. Whenever I see commnets on the site lauding Dan (like Dan's the Man) and gushing over him and all he does, I laugh at peoples' naivete.
-1 while what you are saying is true just because Dan makes money off of it is not a reason not to appreciate it and I am very thankful to Dan even though I know he does it to make an honest living
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 12:43:09 PM
I see many people here are extremely delusional about Dan and his site. I too benefit from it but I don't think for a second that Dan is in this for me. He's in it for himself, to make money. Frum yidden in general seem to have a very Utopian view of their dealings with other frum yidden, which explains why so many get scammed by their friends, neighbors, and community members. Whenever I see commnets on the site lauding Dan (like Dan's the Man) and gushing over him and all he does, I laugh at peoples' naivete.
To be fair, it wasn't a business for the first several years nor was it intended to be. It turned into one because the traffic allowed it to become one.

I don't think people think DD is a tzedaka org.  Rather they appreciate what the business has to offer and what they've gotten out of it.
Do people think Steve Jobs made products just to benefits others?  And yet people still loved what he did for them. Why is that a contradiction?

I dont want this to sound like a personal attack but in contrast many bloggers did talk about the staples deal including some full time bloggers, that make their living as bloggers.

this is your business and you'll run it how you see fit, and I have no problems with that but i do trust you less because you aren't as transparent as other blogs.

A question to you. is DDf a deals forum like SD or a discussion forum like FT ( that does allow discussion of CB portals) ?
CC rev is fickle.
Most other bloggers started only after it came around and many have quit blogging since losing it.

I don't know of any other bloggers that straddle the travel and deal space, but I rely on revenue from both sides to make this work.  Other deal blogs don't tell you every time to go do CB because that would put themselves out of business.

If that makes what I have to say untrustworthy then c'est la vie.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 12:44:00 PM
Depends what.

I didn't make a dime of the Exec 100K/75K cards but covered them more than any other blog.

End of the day, every business is going to push what pays the bills.  The key for any blogger is finding the right balance.
Difference here is that there's DDF where you can talk about everything as opposed to blogs without a forum for that.
while we are on the topic, is there any chance you would say why the ritz card did not make ddms. is it not as good as it seems?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 12:46:15 PM
while we are on the topic, is there any chance you would say why the ritz card did not make ddms. is it not as good as it seems?
To be honest I've never opened a Marriott cc and haven't look into it.  I find other currencies are a better use of my pulls.

Regardless, I'm far from perfect. I'll be the first to admit that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 12:52:07 PM


A question to you. is DDf a deals forum like SD or a discussion forum like FT ( that does allow discussion of CB portals) ?
i like the description that another blogger gave dansdeals "A Jewish guy from Cleveland who has developed a fantastic resource and community around deals. Almost always adds value to his posts which, bizarrely, do not feel like pure marketing pitches. Nice discussion forums too."
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 12:52:56 PM
To be fair, it wasn't a business for the first several years nor was it intended to be. It turned into one because the traffic allowed it to become one.

I don't think people think DD is a tzedaka org.  Rather they appreciate what the business has to offer and what they've gotten out of it.
Do people think Steve Jobs made products just to benefits others?  And yet people still loved what he did for them. Why is that a contradiction?

It's a contradiction because nobody has deep personal appreciation towards Steve Jobs for what he produced. Nobody normal would go over him to thank him for saving his time and making him more productive as a result of the iPhone, for allowing him to take great pictures on through the iPhone, and for speeding up his old computer though his Mac. We can appreciate what he did and how he made things better for us without a deep personal appreciation because that's what business is-I get the iPhone, he gets the money, and we're both happy because we both did the other a favor. Therefore, the ones who use your site should appreciate your services but to applaud your efforts on their behalf is absurd. You're in this for yourself the way every other worker in very other industry is.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 12:54:06 PM
It's a contradiction because nobody has deep personal appreciation towards Steve Jobs for what he produced. Nobody normal would go over him to thank him for saving his time and making him more productive as a result of the iPhone,
Wow.
I couldn't disagree more what that.

My hakaras hatov doesn't end just because I paid for something.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: mawmaw on February 05, 2015, 12:55:12 PM
To be honest I've never opened a Marriott cc and haven't look into it.  I find other currencies are a better use of my pulls.

Regardless, I'm far from perfect. I'll be the first to admit that.
??? 140 Ritz is worth about 70k UA that make this card better then any other UA signup bonus and the $300 credit makes up the annual fee even if you dont close the card to get annual fee back
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 12:57:23 PM
??? 140 Ritz is worth about 70k UA that make this card better then any other UA signup bonus and the $300 credit makes up the annual fee even if you dont close the card to get annual fee back
do you really think he didnt read the ritz thread. im pretty sure hes aware  ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 12:58:27 PM
??? 140 Ritz is worth about 70k UA that make this card better then any other UA signup bonus and the $300 credit makes up the annual fee even if you dont close the card to get annual fee back
Like I said, I don't follow the Marriott program at all and I write about what I know.
Does 140K Marriott really become 70K UA?

do you really think he didnt read the ritz thread. im pretty sure hes aware  ;)
To be honest, I haven't.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 01:04:59 PM
To be fair, it wasn't a business for the first several years nor was it intended to be. It turned into one because the traffic allowed it to become one.

I don't think people think DD is a tzedaka org.  Rather they appreciate what the business has to offer and what they've gotten out of it.
Do people think Steve Jobs made products just to benefits others?  And yet people still loved what he did for them. Why is that a contradiction?
CC rev is fickle.
Most other bloggers started only after it came around and many have quit blogging since losing it.

I don't know of any other bloggers that straddle the travel and deal space, but I rely on revenue from both sides to make this work.  Other deal blogs don't tell you every time to go do CB because that would put themselves out of business.

If that makes what I have to say untrustworthy then c'est la vie.

its not that I think you are untrustworthy I dont think you are out to deceive your readers  but there is quality information out there that you dont write about, and their are mediocre deals that you do write about. I cant help but feels that those decisions are driven by what makes you money and what doesnt. When I make a decision I try to do it on what is best for me, and I understand what you post on the MS isn't necessarily whats best for me.

I think that if on MS deals you had a line like " dont forget to use your favorite portal" many people would still use your affiliate links, but that falls under the category of your business


based on some of the comment on the MS posts some people do think that DD is a tzadaka org
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
I see many people here are extremely delusional about Dan and his site. I too benefit from it but I don't think for a second that Dan is in this for me. He's in it for himself, to make money. Frum yidden in general seem to have a very Utopian view of their dealings with other frum yidden, which explains why so many get scammed by their friends, neighbors, and community members. Whenever I see commnets on the site lauding Dan (like Dan's the Man) and gushing over him and all he does, I laugh at peoples' naivete.
Dan started this thing as a hobby while he was in yeshiva.

The traffic allowed him to make some money on it.

Since he spends all his time working on this, should he not be able to make a living?

I know that even if Dan had a "real job" he would still contribute as much as he can on his blog.

Believe it or not, I know for a fact that Dan likes helping people get good deals, not crap, and that's how this whole thing started.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Boruch999 on February 05, 2015, 01:05:25 PM
Wow.
I couldn't disagree more what that.

My hakaras hatov doesn't end just because I paid for something.

+100
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 01:11:45 PM
Dan started this thing as a hobby while he was in yeshiva.

The traffic allowed him to make some money on it.

Since he spends all his time working on this, should he not be able to make a living?

I know that even if Dan had a "real job" he would still contribute as much as he can on his blog.

Believe it or not, I know for a fact that Dan likes helping people get good deals, not crap, and that's how this whole thing started.

I dont think there is anything wrong with what Dan does and doesnt do, but people should understand what he is and isnt doing
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: mawmaw on February 05, 2015, 01:13:22 PM
Like I said, I don't follow the Marriott program at all and I write about what I know.
Does 140K Marriott really become 70K UA?
To be honest, I haven't.
https://www.marriott.com/rewards/usepoints/morepack.mi
https://www.marriott.com/rewards/usepoints/morerew.mi
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 01:14:00 PM
Like I said, I don't follow the Marriott program at all and I write about what I know.
Does 140K Marriott really become 70K UA?
around 61k i think. but transfers 1 for 1 plus 10% with the nights and flights redemption so if spouses both sign up you can get 7 nights in a cat 5 plus 132k united miles with some marriot points to spare
Quote
To be honest, I haven't.
well then. i will crawl back into my hole now  ;D
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 01:19:52 PM
I'm not clear what the problem here is. Dan has a blog to share info, he often focuses on things that would interest the frum/Jewish community in specific (i.e. deals to eretz yisrael) and we each have a choice with what we do with that information. Just because Dan makes $ from it doesn't mean that I don't appreciate what he has made available to me.
People want to be haters, that's fine but you have to admit that the only reason you are on DDF is because you have gotten something from it (otherwise you wouldn't waste your time)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: mawmaw on February 05, 2015, 01:24:56 PM
lets face one fact without DD and DDF I wouldn't know about miles/points/churning and more as much as i know today and i'm sure many of us can/should say that DD/DDF are not the only place to find info about miles but there is many tricks that  DD/DDF  discovered for us that no other blogs forums did (try asking MMS how to churn chase cards :P)and many more
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 01:40:23 PM
Sorry to interrupt but what is cb portal?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: VacationLover on February 05, 2015, 01:40:42 PM
Does 140K Marriott really become 70K UA?
Looks like it becomes 60k UA unless i am missing something
http://www.marriott.com/rewards/usepoints/morerew.mi
https://secure.unitedmileageplus.com/reg/rewards_plus/points_to_miles.html?lang=en
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 01:42:45 PM
Bottom line is that people think everything on the web should be free, but there are real costs.
Aside from JJs and my time there's dedicated hosting bills that cost $$$$$

If you aren't charging for the info there needs to be avenues to pay for all that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 01:43:05 PM
Sorry to interrupt but what is cb portal?

Cash Back
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: zlt123 on February 05, 2015, 01:43:26 PM
someone should update the popcorn wiki
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 01:43:45 PM
Bottom line is that people think everything on the web should be free, but there are real costs.
Aside from JJs and my time there's dedicated hosting bills that cost $$$$$

If you aren't charging for the info there needs to be avenues to pay for all that.
I say charge for the good stuff  :-X
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 01:43:52 PM
Bottom line is that people think everything on the web should be free, but there are real costs.
Aside from JJs and my time there's dedicated hosting bills that cost $$$$$

If you aren't charging for the info there needs to be avenues to pay for all that.


Time is also worth $ IMHO
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 01:44:01 PM
Cash Back

ok care to elaborate a little? Why would it put bloggers out of business?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 01:44:51 PM
ok care to elaborate a little? Why would it put bloggers out of business?
If people use CB portal links to buy things, instead of bloggers' links, the bloggers lose out on the commission they would have made.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 01:46:27 PM
I say charge for the good stuff  :-X
NP, DDF now costs $10/month and Twitter alerts of mistakes costs $20/month. Problem solved ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 01:51:53 PM
NP, DDF now costs $10/month and Twitter alerts of mistakes costs $20/month. Problem solved ;)
Where do I sign up?

At least a premium section of DDF for $10 a month would weed out some of the crazies.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 01:52:27 PM
NP, DDF now costs $10/month and Twitter alerts of mistakes costs $20/month. Problem solved ;)
*@Dansdeals losses 99.99% of followers*
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Matovu on February 05, 2015, 01:59:01 PM
If people use CB portal links to buy things, instead of bloggers' links, the bloggers lose out on the commission they would have made.

Okay,
now do a 10 part MMS of how to make your own Amazon Link to pay you every time Dan links to a great Amazon Deal.  ::)
I am of the opinion that "Hakoros Hatov" matters in my life.
An I always would tell friends to use Dan's Links.
Can't thank him enough for all he tought me, even though I can be considered advanced already.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 02:01:06 PM
I have a lot of Hakaras hatov for Dan.
I went on crazy trips and my family travels for free.
He can run the site however he pleases.
That said I still have plenty of questions.
Some were mentioned earlier like the ritz card.
140,000 points (even if they're not worth as much as others)
Plus $600 cash plus Loungeclub plus marriott gold status and you can close the card within 180 days and get the fee back. Simply ridiculous that it's not on DDMS.
Goyish bloggers talked about chase referrals where you can get 5,000 points for CSP and 10,000 points for INK. Good deals for us though the blogger loses referrals.
C'mon Dan be at least a good as the goyim.
80k IHG + $50 plus annual cert at ANY IHG property for $49! A steal!
Great for families on low budgets(not for luxury ppl)
The everday amazon "deals" c'mon.
Besides AA, we shouldn't be booking tickets on Priceline for dan referrals. Directly with the airline is much smarter and simpler when things go haywire.
Seriously we know you have to make money but plz write things that don't make you money
And stop all the needless amazon and eBay "deals"
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Matovu on February 05, 2015, 02:04:55 PM
I have a lot of Hakaras hatov for Dan.
I went on crazy trips and my family travels for free.
He can run the site however he pleases.
That said I still have plenty of questions.
Some were mentioned earlier like the ritz card.
140,000 points (even if they're not worth as much as others)
Plus $600 cash plus Loungeclub plus marriott gold status and you can close the card within 180 days and get the fee back. Simply ridiculous that it's not on DDMS.
Goyish bloggers talked about chase referrals where you can get 5,000 points for CSP and 10,000 points for INK. Good deals for us though the blogger loses referrals.
C'mon Dan be at least a good as the goyim.
80k IHG + $50 plus annual cert at ANY IHG property for $49! A steal!
Great for families on low budgets(not for luxury ppl)
The everday amazon "deals" c'mon.
Besides AA, we shouldn't be booking tickets on Priceline for dan referrals. Directly with the airline is much smarter and simpler when things go haywire.
Seriously we know you have to make money but plz write things that don't make you money
And stop all the needless amazon and eBay "deals"

Chill my dear friend
have you read yesterdays Married Post ?
Which blogger comes close to writing something like that ?
that takes time and is a service for all of us.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 02:06:47 PM
I have a lot of Hakaras hatov for Dan.
I went on crazy trips and my family travels for free.
He can run the site however he pleases.
That said I still have plenty of questions.
Some were mentioned earlier like the ritz card.
140,000 points (even if they're not worth as much as others)
Plus $600 cash plus Loungeclub plus marriott gold status and you can close the card within 180 days and get the fee back. Simply ridiculous that it's not on DDMS.
Goyish bloggers talked about chase referrals where you can get 5,000 points for CSP and 10,000 points for INK. Good deals for us though the blogger loses referrals.
C'mon Dan be at least a good as the goyim.
80k IHG + $50 plus annual cert at ANY IHG property for $49! A steal!
Great for families on low budgets(not for luxury ppl)
The everday amazon "deals" c'mon.
Besides AA, we shouldn't be booking tickets on Priceline for dan referrals. Directly with the airline is much smarter and simpler when things go haywire.
Seriously we know you have to make money but plz write things that don't make you money
And stop all the needless amazon and eBay "deals"

+1
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 02:08:27 PM
Some of us actually appreciate the "needless" deals, if you don't need it then just don't get it.

If you are looking for info on something Dan didn't post, you can often find it in the forums. Dan doesn't tell you not to do it, he just doesn't talk about it. I actually respect the fact that he doesn't post about cards he doesn't have experience with.


I personally prefer priceline or orbitz due to cancellation policies.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 02:09:22 PM
Chill my dear friend
have you read yesterdays Married Post ?
Which blogger comes close to writing something like that ?
that takes time and is a service for all of us.

+1000
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 02:11:10 PM
Chill my dear friend
have you read yesterdays Married Post ?
Which blogger comes close to writing something like that ?
that takes time and is a service for all of us.
You chill!
Wandering aramean write about married segments a year ago.
Doctor of credit goes into great detail about everything under the sun.
And he has no referral links!
Thefreequentflyer is also great.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 02:12:34 PM
having an argument about who needs to chill kind of defeats the purpose, no?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Matovu on February 05, 2015, 02:14:06 PM
You chill!
Wandering aramean write about married segments a year ago.
Doctor of credit goes into great detail about everything under the sun.
And he has no referral links!
Thefreequentflyer is also great.
then go there.
Also use the knowledge of all of them.
I read and scour all mileage blogs,
It takes time but a hobby is a hobby.

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 02:15:04 PM
I'm nowhere near an expert to make a judgement on whether Dan is a tzaddik or a bum. I suspect he's just a guy like the rest of us, trying to make a living, support his family, and enjoy himself every now and then. But just from my own experience I can say that I will usually just skip any DDMS post that has amaZon or eBay or any other of these "deals". I will read things like credit card write ups, price mistake and I just got the WSJ for 40 weeks. Not saying he shouldn't wrote about the "deals" their just not very effective.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 02:17:49 PM
I'm nowhere near an expert to make a judgement on whether Dan is a tzaddik or a bum. I suspect he's just a guy like the rest of us, trying to make a living, support his family, and enjoy himself every now and then. But just from my own experience I can say that I will usually just skip any DDMS post that has amaZon or eBay or any other of these "deals". I will read things like credit card write ups, price mistake and I just got the WSJ for 40 weeks. Not saying he shouldn't wrote about the "deals" their just not very effective.

I agree. What's with all the negativity?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:18:41 PM
You chill!
Wandering aramean write about married segments a year ago.
Doctor of credit goes into great detail about everything under the sun.
And he has no referral links!
Thefreequentflyer is also great.

Link to where WA talked about finding additional award space with married segs?

It's great that there are blogs that do this in spare time and not as a job.    I'm sure it stays more fun that way.
I've read a few DoC posts that TBB has pointed out as amazing and most of them had mistakes that typical DDF'ers would know about.
I'd rather just write about programs and cards that I know proficiently and not a jack of all trades and master of none.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: mawmaw on February 05, 2015, 02:19:24 PM
You chill!
Wandering aramean write about married segments a year ago.
Doctor of credit goes into great detail about everything under the sun.
And he has no referral links!
Thefreequentflyer is also great.
if you find a better bloggers to follow why do you bother following and attacking this blog we all know that there is other bloggers  if you dont like it dont follow it!   
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:20:08 PM
I'm nowhere near an expert to make a judgement on whether Dan is a tzaddik or a bum. I suspect he's just a guy like the rest of us, trying to make a living, support his family, and enjoy himself every now and then. But just from my own experience I can say that I will usually just skip any DDMS post that has amaZon or eBay or any other of these "deals". I will read things like credit card write ups, price mistake and I just got the WSJ for 40 weeks. Not saying he shouldn't wrote about the "deals" their just not very effective.
You don't need to suspect that, I say it openly.

As far as the other deals, tons of people buy them and they help pay the bills.
As you can see, that's mostly JJs department these days.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 02:20:17 PM
I'm nowhere near an expert to make a judgement on whether Dan is a tzaddik or a bum. I suspect he's just a guy like the rest of us, trying to make a living, support his family, and enjoy himself every now and then. But just from my own experience I can say that I will usually just skip any DDMS post that has amaZon or eBay or any other of these "deals". I will read things like credit card write ups, price mistake and I just got the WSJ for 40 weeks. Not saying he shouldn't wrote about the "deals" their just not very effective.
I look at the amazon deals
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 02:20:43 PM
Everyone can read or do whatever they want.
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up. I'm not saying he has to. I'm saying that bloggers that care about their readers are posting these. Bloggers that are after the money aren't.
And from all the eBay amazon living social and groupon garbage we see exactly what dan is after.
P.S. He's still the smartest and most knowledgable blogger IMO.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 02:26:26 PM
I agree. What's with all the negativity?

Not what I'm saying. That's exactly why I started off saying I'm not an expert. I don't read any other blogs, I'm fairly new to this whole game. But if someone is qualified and feels like he's not getting a fair share of deals or what not, I would understand that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 02:28:07 PM
You don't need to suspect that, I say it openly.

As far as the other deals, tons of people buy them and they help pay the bills.
As you can see, that's mostly JJs department these days.

Then kol hakovod I'm just talking from my own experience.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:28:10 PM
Everyone can read or do whatever they want.
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up. I'm not saying he has to. I'm saying that bloggers that care about their readers are posting these. Bloggers that are after the money aren't.
And from all the eBay amazon living social and groupon garbage we see exactly what dan is after.
P.S. He's still the smartest and most knowledgable blogger IMO.
Tell me, what do you do for a living?

As far as IHG/Ritz. They're not cards that I have, for better or worse. So it's not just not blogging about them, I guess I hurt myself too...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 02:28:38 PM
Everyone can read or do whatever they want.
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up. I'm not saying he has to. I'm saying that bloggers that care about their readers are posting these. Bloggers that are after the money aren't.
And from all the eBay amazon living social and groupon garbage we see exactly what dan is after.
P.S. He's still the smartest and most knowledgable blogger IMO.

-1 this is extremely unfair, presumptuous, judgmental and a bunch of other things to assume he's selfish and doesn't care about his readers.

Most of us who have been saying Dan is (at least partially) motivated by revenue (because it's a real job with real expense) have been saying Dan is a regular guy and admit we all do the same in our businesses. I think you're going to be on an island with your opinion.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 02:32:26 PM
Everyone can read or do whatever they want.
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up. I'm not saying he has to. I'm saying that bloggers that care about their readers are posting these. Bloggers that are after the money aren't.
And from all the eBay amazon living social and groupon garbage we see exactly what dan is after.
P.S. He's still the smartest and most knowledgable blogger IMO.
What are you complaining about was it you who brought up the ritz carlton card and want a HT that's the only possibility i can think of why you are so upset that it didn't reach DDMS
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: jj1000 on February 05, 2015, 02:34:21 PM
Everyone can read or do whatever they want.
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up. I'm not saying he has to. I'm saying that bloggers that care about their readers are posting these. Bloggers that are after the money aren't.
And from all the eBay amazon living social and groupon garbage we see exactly what dan is after.
P.S. He's still the smartest and most knowledgable blogger IMO.
I post deals based on analytics of what people click on the most and buy. If something isn't popular I rarely post it again.
eBay and Amazon offer the best prices for hundreds of thousands of items online. People love Amazon with prime and their customer service. I'm sorry if you don't want these deals, but thousand of people make purchases from the deals I post everyday.

Also there was a thread about hakaras hatov somewhere in reference to DD, this thread just repeated a lot of that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 02:43:02 PM
Like I said, I don't follow the Marriott program at all and I write about what I know.
Does 140K Marriott really become 70K UA?
To be honest, I haven't.
I call BS.
Everyone knows about it.
And if you spent 2,000$ for free fairmont suite nights
I'm sure $49 is worth ANY IhG property.
Everyone in the miles game knows how awesome that is.
we know you have to make a living.
But does every link on your site have to go to clicks.synergy?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 02:45:41 PM
Link to where WA talked about finding additional award space with married segs?

It's great that there are blogs that do this in spare time and not as a job.    I'm sure it stays more fun that way.
I've read a few DoC posts that TBB has pointed out as amazing and most of them had mistakes that typical DDF'ers would know about.
I'd rather just write about programs and cards that I know proficiently and not a jack of all trades and master of none.

Can you point out some of Doc's mistakes I haven't seen anything that sticks out to me as false or wrong
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 02:46:07 PM
I call BS.
Everyone knows about it.
And if you spent 2,000$ for free fairmont suite nights
I'm sure $49 is worth ANY IhG property.
Everyone in the miles game knows how awesome that is.
we know you have to make a living.
But does every link on your site have to go to clicks.synergy?
Now we can add "liar" to the list of your accusations.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: jj1000 on February 05, 2015, 02:46:30 PM
I call BS.
Everyone knows about it.
And if you spent 2,000$ for free fairmont suite nights
I'm sure $49 is worth ANY IhG property.
Everyone in the miles game knows how awesome that is.
we know you have to make a living.
But does every link on your site have to go to clicks.synergy?

You are saying Dan has a card he said he doesn't?

$49 for rooms for life? Sign me up. Maybe that's a bad comparison.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:46:34 PM
I call BS.
Everyone knows about it.
And if you spent 2,000$ for free fairmont suite nights
I'm sure $49 is worth ANY IhG property.
Everyone in the miles game knows how awesome that is.
we know you have to make a living.
But does every link on your site have to go to clicks.synergy?
I didn't spend anything for the Fairmont nights as I said here last week. So much for being a knowitall.

Yes, $49 is good for 1 night in IHG.  Though I can't tell you the last time I stayed in an IHG and capacity controls make the best hotels hard to get.
Like I said, I have gone through hundreds of Chase cards, but never IHG/Marriott/Ritz.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 02:47:30 PM
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up.
I get enough Twitter alerts as it is and if you want to be spoonfed every deal under the sun, theres plenty of other blogs for that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:48:40 PM
Can you point out some of Doc's mistakes I haven't seen anything that sticks out to me as false or wrong
I don't read him religiously.

The few posts I clicked on from TBB had errors in them. Usually when he's posting crowd-sourced info it seemed like.
Same goes for several TIF posts I clicked on from TBB.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 02:49:37 PM
I think this thread should be renamed "DDF Attacks Dan"
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
Like I said, I have gone through hundreds of Chase cards, but never IHG/Marriott/Ritz.
Curious - why not?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:51:12 PM
Curious - why not?
I prefer other hotels and programs.  UA, BA, AA, SPG, HGP are my favorites.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 02:51:33 PM
Curious - why not?
Im only curious how he stays in Marriott hotels, but if he doesnt want to disclose that, Im ok with that too.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:52:20 PM
Im only curious how he stays in Marriott hotels, but if he doesnt want to disclose that, Im ok with that too.
I rarely do.  First time was probably on my Brazil trip last year.  Don't particularly care for them.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 02:52:32 PM
I prefer other hotels and programs.  UA, BA, AA, SPG, HGP are my favorites.
Thanks
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 02:52:45 PM
I didn't spend anything for the Fairmont nights as I said here last week. So much for being a knowitall.

Yes, $49 is good for 1 night in IHG.  Though I can't tell you the last time I stayed in an IHG and capacity controls make the best hard to get.
Like I said, I have gone through hundreds of Chase cards, but never IHG/Marriott/Ritz.
Oh you got the fairmont for free cuz of..wait for it.. REFFERALS.
You didn't answer why it's not on the main site.
Why not tell us about it?
Many DDFers would love 10nights in a $100 marriott or 6 $100 holiday inn nights.
These are the best cards for a family going on vacation(also Spg)
So blog about it!
Why does everything have to be about refferals?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 02:54:23 PM
Rather u get the card for yourself or not , doesn't mean it's not a great card for a regular small time traveler, (personally I like that those hotel cards didn't get more exposure) I definitely enjoy some of his informative articles on ddms and I appreciate the afford .i think you need to shop around to all bloggers to get best of every world
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:55:41 PM
Oh you got the fairmont for free cuz of..wait for it.. REFFERALS.
You didn't answer why it's not on the main site.
Why not tell us about it?
Many DDFers would love 10nights in a $100 marriott or 6 $100 holiday inn nights.
These are the best cards for a family going on vacation(also Spg)
So blog about it!
Why does everything have to be about refferals?
Everyone can read or do whatever they want.
My point was there's a lot if great deals that would help people out that aren't on DDMS cuz Dan is too selfish to put them up. I'm not saying he has to. I'm saying that bloggers that care about their readers are posting these. Bloggers that are after the money aren't.
And from all the eBay amazon living social and groupon garbage we see exactly what dan is after.
P.S. He's still the smartest and most knowledgable blogger IMO.

I love how you make running a business for profit as a bad thing and compare it to blogs that are not doing it as a business.

Once again I ask, what do you do for a living?

And what happened to that sweet note you emailed me a year ago, "Thanx for all your awesome deals! I can't say how much my family has gained from your site!"


Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 02:55:48 PM
Srry guys for wrong words #apple
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:57:05 PM
Rather u get the card for yourself or not , doesn't mean it's not a great card for a regular small time traveler
Like I said earlier I write about cards that I get and that I'm familiar with.

Doesn't mean it's not great. That's what DDF is for-more perspectives.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: lunatic on February 05, 2015, 02:57:26 PM
I love how you make running a business for profit as a bad thing and compare it to blogs that are not doing it as a business.

Once again I ask, what do you do for a living?

And what happened to that sweet note you emailed me a year ago, "Thanx for all your awesome deals! I can't say how much my family has gained from your site!"

+1000
There are plenty of other websites and everyone is welcome to use Google and find them
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 02:58:53 PM
@dan my first post today was that I have a lot of Hakaras hatov!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Something Fishy on February 05, 2015, 02:59:08 PM
Oh you got the fairmont for free cuz of..wait for it.. REFFERALS.
You didn't answer why it's not on the main site.
Why not tell us about it?
Many DDFers would love 10nights in a $100 marriott or 6 $100 holiday inn nights.
These are the best cards for a family going on vacation(also Spg)
So blog about it!
Why does everything have to be about refferals?

WTH :o :o :o?

He will run his site as he sees fit. If you're unhappy, feel free to read other blogs or start your own. If you have a suggestion, mention it in a civilized manner, and he may or may not consider it.

I don't think it gets any simpler than that. All this back and forth is idiotic.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 02:59:28 PM
@dan my first post today was that I have a lot of Hakaras hatov!
With Hakaras hatov like that who needs a kafui tov?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: jj1000 on February 05, 2015, 03:00:20 PM

I don't think it gets any simpler than that. All this back and forth is idiotic.
+1
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 03:00:30 PM
@dan my first post today was that I have a lot of Hakaras hatov!
Its like when I tell my wife "I love you honey, but........."
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: VacationLover on February 05, 2015, 03:01:40 PM
 Wow  what happened to this thread? 
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 03:03:32 PM
Wow  what happened to this thread? 
Deceptive title, huh?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: yakrot on February 05, 2015, 03:03:59 PM
Deceptive title, huh?
+1
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: nobiggy on February 05, 2015, 03:07:54 PM
The problem here is very simple:
Those who are complaining and the like are doing it because of a characteristic that we all have, just some more than others.
It's called Jealousy.

Someone else is very successful in an area you wish you were just the same. You wish you had millions of miles and traveled the world for basically $0.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 03:08:27 PM
Why is Hakaras hatov a contradiction to saying that we would like to see you care more about readers and less about refferals?
You're a great blogger and we all learned and gained a ton from you.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:10:41 PM
Why is Hakaras hatov a contradiction to saying that we would like to see you care more about readers and less about refferals?
You're not writing constructive criticism to me in private.  You're flaming what I do in public. I'm not sure who taught you hakaras hatov, but that's not from the school I went to.

There is a business behind this and you have little knowledge of how it all works and the politics behind it.  Aside from that I have posted hundreds of things that don't pay a dime.  It all depends on the situation and how comfortable I am in my proficiency in making a post on it and whether it's something I would do myself.

For the 3rd time, care to share what your business is? Do you never do anything to feed your family first?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 03:11:15 PM
NP, DDF now costs $10/month and Twitter alerts of mistakes costs $20/month. Problem solved ;)
Or how about minimum age/maturity of 15 and IQ of 50. Would eliminate all these babies/idi*ts.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: knowitall on February 05, 2015, 03:12:55 PM
There is a business behind this and you have little knowledge of how it all works and the politics behind it.  Aside from that I have posted hundreds of things that don't pay a dime.

For the 3rd time, care to share what your business is? Do you never do anything to feed your family first?
None of your DAN business!
HT: lebo
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:14:32 PM
None of your DAN business!
Figures.  Easy to be a tough guy on someone else's parnasah in a anonymous internet forum.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 03:15:04 PM
And of the day they're will always be a dispute of where to draw the line regarding feeding customers with deals for your good or they're good .what is for sure we all gained off this side a lot and for that I'm thankful
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 03:16:02 PM
I hate to change the subject from this tachlisdik conversation, but I'd just like to remind the choshuva oilam how to spell the word "referral".

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 03:17:17 PM
This is headed down a slippery slope. Get your cache set up.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: yakrot on February 05, 2015, 03:17:40 PM
And of the day they're will always be a dispute of where to draw the line regarding feeding customers with deals for your good or they're good .what is for sure we all gained off this side a lot and for that I'm thankful
"End"  of the day...."there" will.... Gained from this "site"
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 03:19:42 PM
I hate to change the subject from this tachlisdik conversation, but I'd just like to remind the choshuva oilam how to spell the word "referral".

Thanks in advance

Dan is all 'bout them rougherulls
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: CS1 on February 05, 2015, 03:20:01 PM
...Aside from that I have posted hundreds of things that don't pay a dime.

..and, it addition to that, WE don't pay a dime, it's all free knowledge from Dan that gives us financial opportunities, financial savings, a place to network, and ways to get food recommendations and go to quality places for Kosher meals, convenient minyanim, and Shabbos-friendly spots all for FREE!  We have a basic teachers'/Rabbi/lower-end salary, and we can fly, vacation, hotel, and dine-out alongside many 5-Star families thanks to Dan!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 03:20:28 PM

"End"  of the day...."there" will.... Gained from this "site"
your sounding like TimT already lol. That what happens when you have cracked screen/ and now back to regular programming
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 03:21:40 PM
I hate to change the subject from this tachlisdik conversation, but I'd just like to remind the choshuva oilam how to spell the word "referral".

Thanks in advance
There's a grammar thread for that :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Matovu on February 05, 2015, 03:25:17 PM
CS1 said it well.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 03:25:27 PM
I don't read him religiously.

The few posts I clicked on from TBB had errors in them. Usually when he's posting crowd-sourced info it seemed like.
Same goes for several TIF posts I clicked on from TBB.

TBB?
TIF?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:28:18 PM
Wow.
I couldn't disagree more what that.

My hakaras hatov doesn't end just because I paid for something.
Really? You have hakaras hatov to Steve Jobs for making the iPhone? What about to Bill Gates for making Microsoft? And the Chinese workers making the plastic utensils you eat with you also have hakaras hatov too? That's ludicrous. There's an obvious difference between having hakaras hatov (read: to someone who did a favor for you) and appreciating a mutually beneficial business service (definitely not hakaras hatov).
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Matovu on February 05, 2015, 03:29:05 PM
TBB?
TIF?
please google it
I once quoted from TBB and it got deleted in seconds...  :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: clear thinker on February 05, 2015, 03:31:05 PM
I hate to change the subject from this tachlisdik conversation, but I'd just like to remind the choshuva oilam how to spell the word "referral".

Thanks in advance
Lol
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 03:31:08 PM
Really? You have hakaras hatov to Steve Jobs for making the iPhone? What about to Bill Gates for making Microsoft? And the Chinese workers making the plastic utensils you eat with you also have hakaras hatov too? That's ludicrous. There's an obvious difference between having hakaras hatov (read: to someone who did a favor for you) and appreciating a mutually beneficial business service (definitely not hakaras hatov).

If you restrict your hakaros hatov to "pure selfless giving" scenarios you will be dishing out very little of it. Not to get all philosophical but what makes something a favor? There's almost always something in it for the giver, even if it's just to feel better about themselves. imo!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:32:01 PM
..and, it addition to that, WE don't pay a dime, it's all free knowledge from Dan that gives us financial opportunities, financial savings, a place to network, and ways to get food recommendations and go to quality places for Kosher meals, convenient minyanim, and Shabbos-friendly spots all for FREE!  We have a basic teachers'/Rabbi/lower-end salary, and we can fly, vacation, hotel, and dine-out alongside many 5-Star families thanks to Dan!
And guess who else enabled that....Chase and AMEX. Do you have hakaras hatov for them too? Or are they just conducting their business for their own good and you're benefiting.
And don't tell me you do have hakaras hatov for them. When was the last time you consistently worked behind the back of a guy you ave a hakaras hatov to and milk from him hundreds of dollars of value of what is clearly not his intention to give to you in the way you're getting it (churning, MS, etc.)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:33:10 PM
TBB?
TIF?
it got deleted in seconds...  :P
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25254.0
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:34:36 PM
If you restrict your hakaros hatov to "pure selfless giving" scenarios you will be dishing out very little of it. Not to get all philosophical but what makes something a favor? There's almost always something in it for the giver, even if it's just to feel better about themselves. imo!
Another ludicrous claim. Whether or not anybody is ever 100% altruistic is as you say a philosophical question. What isn't philosophical is a basic distinction between a sale and a favor. If you'd permit yourself a bit of intellectual honesty you'd see that right away.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:35:35 PM
http://saverocity.com/pfdigest/another-darn-blogs-like-list/
"Itís not hard to find hand-wringing about bloggers selling out and prioritizing money over content. Danís Deals shows that that being commercial (and presumably profitable) isnít ipso facto a bad thing. Itís interesting that while many people hate on certain other sites that shall remain nameless here, there arenít too many who hate on Dan. He puts a lot of great deals and information out there, plus the forums there have some stuff you wonít find anywhere else on the interwebs."
Guess he'll have to change that if he visits this thread ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Malachi on February 05, 2015, 03:35:49 PM
I'm shocked this thread hasn't been deleted yet. The Mercedes Benz card is a great card that almost never sees the light of day on the main site. Do I mind? No, this blog is a business. I would do the exact same thing and so would 98% of other people. 
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 03:36:00 PM
please google it
I once quoted from TBB and it got deleted in seconds...  :P


I did google it
tbb get me results for Threading Building Blocks

and tif gets me results for Tiffany & co (currently trading at 88.25 down 0.17 for the day)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:36:42 PM

I did google it
tbb get me results for Threading Building Blocks

and tif gets me results for Tiffany & co (currently trading at 88.25 down 0.17 for the day)

Read the previous page again. I gave you the link.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 03:36:49 PM

I did google it
tbb get me results for Threading Building Blocks
+1
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: CS1 on February 05, 2015, 03:37:22 PM
And guess who else enabled that....Chase and AMEX. Do you have hakaras hatov for them too? Or are they just conducting their business for their own good and you're benefiting.
And don't tell me you do have hakaras hatov for them. When was the last time you consistently worked behind the back of a guy you ave a hakaras hatov to and milk from him hundreds of dollars of value of what is clearly not his intention to give to you in the way you're getting it (churning, MS, etc.)

Good question: We're in chinuch during a big chunk of the day, I'm sure that there are parallels there. 
(we work hard so that our students benefit. It takes years and it benefits them and the financial office.

We do not reap financial rewards based on performance. We do the best we can in no pay/overtime and often 10-12 years later, the talmidim appreciate and have an inkling of what they've learned from us and from being in the classroom....) So, yes, we "worked behind the back of a guy you have a hakaras hatov to". So do many Shluchim --  All the time.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 03:37:42 PM
There's an obvious difference between having hakaras hatov (read: to someone who did a favor for you) and appreciating a mutually beneficial business service (definitely not hakaras hatov).

And the 3rd category is people who tremendously benefit from a site at no cost and in return wickedly besmirch and accuse its owner. Please find your favorite blog and GO THERE.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:39:40 PM
Really? You have hakaras hatov to Steve Jobs for making the iPhone? What about to Bill Gates for making Microsoft? And the Chinese workers making the plastic utensils you eat with you also have hakaras hatov too? That's ludicrous. There's an obvious difference between having hakaras hatov (read: to someone who did a favor for you) and appreciating a mutually beneficial business service (definitely not hakaras hatov).
When a doctor heals me I have hakaras hatov.
When a teacher teaches me I have hakaras hatov.
When a business goes out of its way to accommodate a request of mine I have hakaras hatov.
When a waiter gives me good service I have hakaras hatov.
When my accountant does a good job on my taxes I have hakaras hatov.

The fact that all of those people are getting paid has nothing to do with it.  I mean that's really twisted.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 03:40:19 PM
Read the previous page again. I gave you the link.

I saw that thanks
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:40:44 PM
And the 3rd category is people who tremendously benefit from a site at no cost and in return wickedly besmirch and accuse its owner. Please find your favorite blog and GO THERE.
This has nothing to do with besmirching. I am not speaking negatively of Dan nor of Chase or AMEX. All I'm saying is that they're all the same-providing a service that benefits others for their own gain. Though i admit Dan is probably a good deal more altruistic than Chase is, he still is just a businessman. if that's besmirching to you that's an issue. That's called reality.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 03:41:41 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25254.0
"If the blogger contributes something of value despite being beholden they'll likely be rewarded by their readers. Simple as that."

I guess this is the Thank You???? :o
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Sport on February 05, 2015, 03:42:23 PM

If you restrict your hakaros hatov to "pure selfless giving" scenarios you will be dishing out very little of it. Not to get all philosophical but what makes something a favor? There's almost always something in it for the giver, even if it's just to feel better about themselves. imo!
well said, hakaras hatov has little to do with the sacrifices of the giver.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 03:42:25 PM
Another ludicrous claim. Whether or not anybody is ever 100% altruistic is as you say a philosophical question. What isn't philosophical is a basic distinction between a sale and a favor. If you'd permit yourself a bit of intellectual honesty you'd see that right away.

In a sale, actual money changes hands. On the spectrum of selfish, a sale is indeed further to the right than a favor which lacks money, I do grant you that. How's that for intellectual honestly :). I was the one who said earlier that money is the prime motivator behind all human behavior.

I am merely pointing out that a favor- which lacks a transference of money- there may exist a transference of other unquantifiable/intangible assets. It's not healthy to look at the world that way IMO, and better to appreciate everything you take enjoyment/pleasure out of than (almost) nothing.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:44:09 PM
In a sale, actual money changes hands. On the spectrum of selfish, a sale is indeed further to the right than a favor which lacks money, I do grant you that. How's that for intellectual honestly :). I was the one who said earlier that money is the prime motivator behind all human behavior.

I am merely pointing out that a favor- which lacks a transference of money- there may exist a transference of other unquantifiable/intangible assets. It's not healthy to look at the world that way IMO, and better to appreciate everything you take enjoyment/pleasure out of than (almost) nothing.
Indeed, someone who you keep getting favors from without repayment in kind is unlikely to keep doing them if they're not immediate family.

To think that hakaras hatov is only for pure altruism is poor chinuch and a poor worldview IMHO.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:45:44 PM
When a doctor heals me I have hakaras hatov.
When a teacher teaches me I have hakaras hatov.
When a business goes out of its way to accommodate a request of mine I have hakaras hatov.
When a waiter gives me good service I have hakaras hatov.
When my accountant does a good job on my taxes I have hakaras hatov.

The fact that all of those people are getting paid has nothing to do with it.  I mean that's really twisted.
No that's basic gratitude, not hakaras hatov. Who is the first person about which the concept of hakaras hatov is mentioend? Its Adam Harishon who's called a kafui tovah because Hashem gave him everything and he still did what he did. It's also mentioned about the relationship of a child to his parents. Show me where it says the concept of hakaras hatov anywhere in a business sense. The feelings of gratitude you mention are not hakaras hatov but basic human feelings by which you're thankful to someone who provided a service to you, the same way the doctor is grateful you came to him and not his competitor.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 03:47:42 PM
Sheesh you guys! We live in a free market society, if someone doesn't like the way Dan runs things feel free to ask for a refund of your AF (prorated of course)...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 03:50:35 PM
I'm going to go off track here for a min. Someone mentioned that there are great cards that Dan doesn't post on DDMS. I don't know if this is true or not, and even if it is I have no issue. His site he can post what he likes. But truly out of my own selfish desire can anyone put together a list of cards that are awesome that are not on DDMS. I will have true hakaores hatov to you - I promise. TIA.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:51:18 PM
Its Adam Harishon who's called a kafui tovah because Hashem gave him everything and he still did what he did.
I've got news for you.
G-d desired to dwell in this, the lowlist of all world he created, among mankind, doing his commandments. Indeed that was the whole purpose of creation.

So giving Adam everything wasn't 100% altruistic :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 03:52:03 PM
I'm going to go off track here for a min. Someone mentioned that there are great cards that Dan doesn't post on DDMS. I don't know if this is true or not, and even if it is I have no issue. His site he can post what he likes. But truly out of my own selfish desire can anyone put together a list of cards that are awesome that are not on DDMS. I will have true hakaores hatov to you - I promise. TIA.
Just reed DDF. Everything under the sun has already been posted.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:52:10 PM
Indeed, someone who you keep getting favors from without repayment in kind is unlikely to keep doing them if they're not immediate family.

To think that hakaras hatov is only for pure altruism is poor chinuch and a poor worldview IMHO.
Hakaras hatov and gratitude to someone you exchange a service with is not the same thing. I mean seriously, do you have hakaras hatov to Verizon for providing you with phone service? What about Comcast for your cable or google for providing search capabilities? i mean come on , be honest. You can be happy they provide you with this but to claim you have real hakaras hatov to your phone company is not exactly believable.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 03:52:44 PM
Though i admit Dan is probably a good deal more altruistic than Chase is........
Then why do you compare them? He started as NFP, a lot of the stuff he does is still NFP and even when he does benefit, he has his readers' best interests in mind. If that doesn't deserve hakaras hatoiv, you surely don't deserve any for "enlightening" us.



Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 03:53:00 PM
Hakaras hatov and gratitude to someone you exchange a service with is not the same thing. I mean seriously, do you have hakaras hatov to Verizon for providing you with phone service? What about Comcast for your cable or google for providing search capabilities? i mean come on , be honest. You can be happy they provide you with this but to claim you have real hakaras hatov to your phone company is not exactly believable.

Do I, or should I?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: CS1 on February 05, 2015, 03:53:19 PM
Sheesh you guys! We live in a free market society, if someone doesn't like the way Dan runs things feel free to ask for a refund of your AF (prorated of course)...

exactly  --  it's all FREE! And, he helps us, too.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:54:11 PM
I've got news for you.
G-d desired to dwell in this, the lowlist of all world he created, among mankind, doing his commandments. Indeed that was the whole purpose of creation.

So giving Adam everything wasn't 100% altruistic :P
That's definitely way too philosophical. Certainly to claim to understand the intentions of Hashem and to claim hashem created Adam for his won good is beyond the scope of this forum.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Boruch999 on February 05, 2015, 03:55:58 PM
I'm compiling a list of people not to do business with here on DDF.  Thanks guys for being so open about your rotten natures.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 03:56:44 PM
Do I, or should I?
Aha so you're actually claiming that I need to have hakaras hatov to Verizon.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ez1985 on February 05, 2015, 03:57:27 PM
I am shocked knowitall hasn't jumped on Dan for spelling reed wrong. 
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 03:58:53 PM
I'm compiling a list of people not to do business with here on DDF.  Thanks guys for being so open about your rotten natures.
אין מערבין פופקורן בפופקורן
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 03:59:00 PM
Just reed DDF. Everything under the sun has already been posted.

Keep getting side tracked by entertaining threads like this.

DDF has everything, but how do we (new - moderate ones) know which cards are awesome. Ritz-carlton worth it? PRG 50k offer? etc.?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 03:59:46 PM
I am shocked knowitall hasn't jumped on Dan for spelling reed wrong.

I think that was on purpose cmon dude
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 04:01:09 PM
DDF has everything, but how do we (new - moderate ones) know which cards are awesome. Ritz-carlton worth it? PRG 50k offer? etc.?
By reading the threads, I guess...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 04:03:50 PM
I'm going to go off track here for a min. Someone mentioned that there are great cards that Dan doesn't post on DDMS. I don't know if this is true or not, and even if it is I have no issue. His site he can post what he likes. But truly out of my own selfish desire can anyone put together a list of cards that are awesome that are not on DDMS. I will have true hakaores hatov to you - I promise. TIA.

fidelity amex is one
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
Aha so you're actually claiming that I need to have hakaras hatov to Verizon.

I'm not a halachic expert, you tell me. It sounds like you're trying to regulate an emotion (called appreciation), which I have a fundamental problem with (similar to the commandment of loving god, etc) but putting that aside... yes! Appreciate everything in life. Think about how much verizon does for you by letting you text/call your love ones in times of emergency, connect with the world, pretty much do everything these days. I do think it's a positive thing to strive for appreciation of even mundane things.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 04:04:36 PM
The calm after the storm ahhh! Another think we owe him hakoras hatov more ppl could sit in kollel bec of his help!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: CS1 on February 05, 2015, 04:05:47 PM
That's definitely way too philosophical. Certainly to claim to understand the intentions of Hashem and to claim hashem created Adam for his won good is beyond the scope of this forum.

G-d WANTS us to help others. And G-d wants us to use the material world and the physical items in the world to elevate those items VIA helping others!

That's what it's all about. By Dan assisting us, he's elevating the servers, keyboards, motherboards, electricity, charge cards, credit cards, hotel rooms, staff, cs people, and even the wifi "waves", etc...  with all this positive interaction.
When Ahavas Yisroel occurs and we help our friend as if they are our family or ourselves is exactly what the world was created for.
If we do it on DDF, then it's because Dan provided the forum to be able to do so.

And to do so in a way that allows us to keep extra enjoyable Shabbosim and Yomim Tovim (free flights, great locations, recommendations,  food deals, etc..) then that's a lot of ruchnius that is infusing our gashmius. Not everyone has the talent and ability to reach the masses in that manner, nor do they take the time and arrange for the annual hosting fees and servers to do so. Thanks, Dan.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 04:06:39 PM
Club Carlson is another great card hardly mentioned
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 04:06:48 PM
By reading the threads, I guess...

but just because its on threads doesn't mean its a great card right. Because all cards are on ddf like Dan said. We need a master thread which says "Raboisai these are the cards to get"! Because if not we will have a problem of post hoc ergo propter hoc
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 04:07:57 PM
but just because its on threads doesn't mean its a great card right. Because all cards are on ddf like Dan said. We need a master thread which says "Raboisai these are the cards to get"! Because if not we will have a problem of post hoc ergo propter hoc
why don't you start one?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 04:08:38 PM
but just because its on threads doesn't mean its a great card right. Because all cards are on ddf like Dan said. We need a master thread which says "Raboisai these are the cards to get"! Because if not we will have a problem of post hoc ergo propter hoc
why don't you start one?

Isn't this basically that? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=23990.0

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 04:08:55 PM
why don't you start one?

I would but as I mentioned upstream Ich hub nisht the expertise for such a worthy endeavor.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 04:10:09 PM
but just because its on threads doesn't mean its a great card right. Because all cards are on ddf like Dan said. We need a master thread which says "Raboisai these are the cards to get"! Because if not we will have a problem of post hoc ergo propter hoc
That's very subjective. Depends what you're looking for...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 04:10:20 PM
Isn't this basically that? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=23990.0
That is a list of ALL credit cards. We're talking about a list of which ones are "good ones".

I guess it's kind of complicated, because a lot depends on what your needs are...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 04:14:03 PM
That is a list of ALL credit cards. We're talking about a list of which ones are "good ones".

I guess it's kind of complicated, because a lot depends on what your needs are...
Who defines good?
Personally I don't stay in any CC hotels, so it's not very good for me.

Everything is personal.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 04:14:28 PM
That's very subjective. Depends what you're looking for...

Of course but there has to be a general consensus of what are good cards to get. Then the oilam hatoirah can choose which of these good cards fits their needs.

As an aside I doubt that everyones "needs" are so different - were all basically looking for airline miles, hotel points or Amex, Chase points which can be converted to either.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 04:18:10 PM
When a doctor heals me I have hakaras hatov.
When a teacher teaches me I have hakaras hatov.
When a business goes out of its way to accommodate a request of mine I have hakaras hatov.
When a waiter gives me good service I have hakaras hatov.
When my accountant does a good job on my taxes I have hakaras hatov.

The fact that all of those people are getting paid has nothing to do with it.  I mean that's really twisted.

Wow, what a nice, optimistic, Midwesterner, 'Out-of-Town' mentality! And as a Detroiter currently living in Chicago, I mean that in the best way!!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: reed on February 05, 2015, 04:19:36 PM
Who defines good?
Personally I don't stay in any CC hotels, so it's not very good for me.

Everything is personal.

Course of course, but like we all agree that the Amazon card is crap. Spg is good.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 04:19:59 PM
Of course but there has to be a general consensus of what are good cards to get. Then the oilam hatoirah can choose which of these good cards fits their needs.

As an aside I doubt that everyones "needs" are so different - were all basically looking for airline miles, hotel points or Amex, Chase points which can be converted to either.
The ones that everyone talks about...
OR, the ones that no one talks about!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 04:21:51 PM
G-d WANTS us to help others. And G-d wants us to use the material world and the physical items in the world to elevate those items VIA helping others!

That's what it's all about. By Dan assisting us, he's elevating the servers, keyboards, motherboards, electricity, charge cards, credit cards, hotel rooms, staff, cs people, and even the wifi "waves", etc...  with all this positive interaction.
When Ahavas Yisroel occurs and we help our friend as if they are our family or ourselves is exactly what the world was created for.
If we do it on DDF, then it's because Dan provided the forum to be able to do so.

And to do so in a way that allows us to keep extra enjoyable Shabbosim and Yomim Tovim (free flights, great locations, recommendations,  food deals, etc..) then that's a lot of ruchnius that is infusing our gashmius. Not everyone has the talent and ability to reach the masses in that manner, nor do they take the time and arrange for the annual hosting fees and servers to do so. Thanks, Dan.
Sounds like a yeshiva mashgiach or girls seminary teacher got your tongue. That's some pretty starnge stuff you wrote.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 04:25:57 PM
Wow, what a nice, optimistic, Midwesterner, 'Out-of-Town' mentality! And as a Detroiter currently living in Chicago, I mean that in the best way!!
Just how I was raised I suppose.

When I walk into a business in CH and get scowled at for asking a question OTOH I don't have much H"H ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 04:31:44 PM
Just how I was raised I suppose.

No need to make excuses! So many of us have gained so much from these forums, this site... I personally have at least three trips to TLV, an upcoming trip to JNB/AUH, various statuses and countless points all of which are at least partially in thanks to you and the world that you opened me up to.

Of course I know that you make money on the side, but that is besides the point. That has not made any less of anything that I have. IMHO, those who don't see it that way is being even more selfish than they accuse you of being.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 04:34:15 PM
If you are going to attack someone it would be nice if you had your facts straight. Some of you should thank your lucky stars I am not a mod. This sh*t is not happening on my watch.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: CS1 on February 05, 2015, 04:38:12 PM
No need to make excuses! So many of us have gained so much from these forums, this site... I personally have at least three trips to TLV, an upcoming trip to JNB/AUH, various statuses and countless points all of which are at least partially in thanks to you and the world that you opened me up to.

Of course I know that you make money on the side, but that is besides the point. That has not made any less of anything that I have. IMHO, those who don't see it that way is being even more selfish than they accuse you of being.

+100
Dan goes above and beyond the call-of-duty. All agree on that.
If we all went that far beyond our call of duty in our workplaces each day, we'd all be living in a great place.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 04:40:24 PM
If we all went that far beyond our call of duty in our workplaces each day, we'd all be living in a great place.
+1
.........which is contradictory to wasting time on DDF.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: CS1 on February 05, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
+1
.........which is contradictory to wasting time on DDF.

or to some, it's an investment of time......   :)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Freddie on February 05, 2015, 04:43:14 PM
First of all, anybody who is POSTING on this FORUM should already KNOW that the best info is deep, deep in the forum, not on the main site!  ;D ;D ;D

No offense, but to me, the DDMS is almost like the Facebook page... it's for the masses.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: zlt123 on February 05, 2015, 04:46:26 PM
If you are going to attack someone it would be nice if you had your facts straight. Some of you should thank your lucky stars I am not a mod. This sh*t is not happening on my watch.
Sorry but this wont help you become a Mod you need atleast 5K post and you lost a whole bunch today ;( & IINM This thread will bekorev be deleted or moved to JS
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 04:52:43 PM
+100
Dan goes above and beyond the call-of-duty. All agree on that.
If we all went that far beyond our call of duty in our workplaces each day, we'd all be living in a great place.

do we all agree on that?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: zlt123 on February 05, 2015, 04:53:49 PM
you dont? :<

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 04:55:30 PM
No need to make excuses! So many of us have gained so much from these forums, this site... I personally have at least three trips to TLV, an upcoming trip to JNB/AUH, various statuses and countless points all of which are at least partially in thanks to you and the world that you opened me up to.

Of course I know that you make money on the side, but that is besides the point. That has not made any less of anything that I have. IMHO, those who don't see it that way is being even more selfish than they accuse you of being.
Most of the so called "attackers" are not accusing him of being selfish. He is, after all, no more selfish than the banker or lawyer or plumber who provides services for pay. All we are saying is that he's not more altruistic than any other businessman (who btw also help others, sometimes for free, sometimes at reduced rate, chesed, etc.). It's astonishing how some DDF chasidim are so blinded by admiration that they can't see this site for what it is: a business like all others. There'es nothing wrong or insulting about that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 04:57:41 PM
you dont? :<

I think its presumptuous to say we all agree on something, especially  when there has been some disagreement
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 04:58:37 PM
It's astonishing how some DDF chasidim are so blinded by admiration that they can't see this site for what it is: a business like all others. There'es nothing wrong or insulting about that.
Of course it is a business. The difference is all his decisions are not based on profit. What is your beef anyway? That he is not falling over the 140k offer?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 04:59:31 PM
you dont? :<
U know when Dan posts a crazy cheap price mistake like for a flight I suppose its possible that in the back of his mind he's thinking how he might help others but his main concern is generating traffic for the site which raises the bottom line. Now, before some DDF chasidim go crazy, THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Its called doing business. But at least recognize it for what it is. His primary concern is for himself and his family, not to provide you and you're family with deals. As such, hes human (gasp!!!) like every other businessman.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:01:53 PM
Of course it is a business. The difference is all his decisions are not based on profit. What is your beef anyway? That he is not falling over the 140k offer?
So his business is based 80% profit and 20% not? So what? youre missing the point. Stop looking at him like some big tzadik doing tovos for everybody. He may be the nicest guy in the world but hes running a business. And i have no specific complain here. Im just asking u to wake up and smell the coffee. Hes running a business not a gemach.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:03:45 PM
So his business is based 80% profit and 20% not? So what? youre missing the point. Stop looking at him like some big tzadik doing tovos for everybody. He may be the nicest guy in the world but hes running a business. And i have no specific complain here. Im just asking u to wake up and smell the coffee. Hes running a business not a gemach.
You just made the biggest fool out of yourself with this statement and don't even know it.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: aygart on February 05, 2015, 05:04:08 PM
Is incendia short for incendiary?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:04:55 PM
So his business is based 80% profit and 20% not? So what? youre missing the point. Stop looking at him like some big tzadik doing tovos for everybody. He may be the nicest guy in the world but hes running a business. And i have no specific complain here. Im just asking u to wake up and smell the coffee. Hes running a business not a gemach.
Who thinks that I'm a tzadik exactly anyway?
Have to meet some of these people to set them straight ;)

All I've encountered were people with hakaras hatov. People who flew places they otherwise couldn't afford.  I giggle when someone in a random restaurant in MIA goes crazy when they see me.  But all they really care to do is say thanks. And perhaps take a selfie for whatever reason.

Not I get that your (likely NYC if I had to guess) upbringing is to not appreciate/express sincere gratitude for anything that's not 100% altruistic (as if that exists anywhere), but it really bothers you that someone else might be thankful despite the fact that it's a business?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:05:34 PM
Of course it is a business. The difference is all his decisions are not based on profit. What is your beef anyway? That he is not falling over the 140k offer?

The popcorn man has entered the building
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: sams on February 05, 2015, 05:06:46 PM
Lemasa everyone will agree he's a great buisness man.the ddf is a platform to get deals for ddms. All is needed is a Hattip to make us feel good lol.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:07:03 PM
The popcorn man has entered the building
You might see others come out of retirement for these idiots.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:07:27 PM
Is incendia short for incendiary?

no but it is related

why do you ask ?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: mawmaw on February 05, 2015, 05:08:18 PM
Who thinks that I'm a tzadik exactly anyway?
Have to meet some of these people to set them straight ;)

All I've encountered were people with hakaras hatov. People who flew places they otherwise couldn't afford.  I giggle when someone in a random restaurant in MIA goes crazy when they see me.  But all they really care to do is say thanks. And perhaps take a selfie for whatever reason.

Not I get that your (likely NYC if I had to guess) upbringing is to not appreciate/express sincere gratitude for anything that's not 100% altruistic (as if that exists anywhere), but it really bothers you that someone else might be thankful despite the fact that it's a business?
please lets not go down this road ....
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:08:24 PM
Lemasa everyone will agree he's a great buisness man.the ddf is a platform to get deals for ddms. All is needed is a Hattip to make us feel good lol.

does everyone agree ?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: jj1000 on February 05, 2015, 05:09:15 PM
U know when Dan posts a crazy cheap price mistake like for a flight I suppose its possible that in the back of his mind he's thinking how he might help others but his main concern is generating traffic for the site which raises the bottom line. Now, before some DDF chasidim go crazy, THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Its called doing business. But at least recognize it for what it is. His primary concern is for himself and his family, not to provide you and you're family with deals. As such, hes human (gasp!!!) like every other businessman.
You don't even know him. So why are you trying to explain what his thoughts are?

I believe most everyone on DDF knows its a business. The ones that don't also think he makes deals with el Al for $300 fares. And want him to make those deals more often.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: aygart on February 05, 2015, 05:09:23 PM
no but it is related

why do you ask ?
because the posts of yours which I have noticed were all incendiary
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:10:24 PM
because the posts of yours which I have noticed were all incendiary

+1 noticed the same thing lol
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:10:51 PM
Who thinks that I'm a tzadik exactly anyway?
Have to meet some of these people to set them straight ;)

All I've encountered were people with hakaras hatov. People who flew places they otherwise couldn't afford.  I giggle when someone in a random restaurant in MIA goes crazy when they see me.  But all they really care to do is say thanks. And perhaps take a selfie for whatever reason.

Not I get that your (likely NYC if I had to guess) upbringing is to not appreciate/express sincere gratitude for anything that's not 100% altruistic (as if that exists anywhere), but it really bothers you that someone else might be thankful despite the fact that it's a business?

IMO it does seem that some people deify you
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: jj1000 on February 05, 2015, 05:12:08 PM
IMO it does seem that some people deify you
As they do with Abraham fried and MBD.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:12:32 PM
IMO it does seem that some people deify you
...and that is his fault?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:13:07 PM
IMO it does seem that some people deify you
In what way?
More so that when they see a jewish singer on the street?

I find it odd, but whatever floats their boat.

Should I make a post that I'm not a tzaddik?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
because the posts of yours which I have noticed were all incendiary

I am a contrarian

but that has nothing to do with my avatar
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:13:52 PM
As they do with Abraham fried and MBD.
Lol, posted before I saw this. Same genes I suppose.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 05:14:19 PM
IMO it does seem that some people deify you
Leave that for the Moshiach thread :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 05:14:32 PM
IMO it does seem that some people deify you

It's ok, they just think it's Benny Friedman. Once he starts singing, all the deification stops.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:15:23 PM
Leave that for the Moshiach thread :P
(אין מערבין פופקורן בפופקורן)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:15:37 PM
It's ok, they just think it's Benny Friedman. Once he starts singing, all the deification stops.
Alol. They run for the hills once I start singing :D
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:15:46 PM
It's ok, they just think it's Benny Friedman. Once he starts singing, all the deification stops.
I though Dan was just a nic for Benny.  :-[
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:16:00 PM
Lol, posted before I saw this. Same genes I suppose.
Which also makes JJ a deity...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 05:16:45 PM
It's astonishing how some DDF chasidim are so blinded by admiration that they can't see this site for what it is: a business like all others.

Not blinded by admiration, and I absolutely see it as a business. I'm reminded of that every time that my phone buzzes with a Twitter alert that I can save $1 on an Amazon Gold Box Monopoly Game!

But I firmly believe that this is much more than just a business to Dan. It was started as a hobby, meant to share his passion for travel and travel deals with the members of the interweb, without a long-term profit plan, and if I have to guess, without any wild idea that this hobby would one day be a full time job and support two families. The fact that this has actually gone on to become all that doesn't change the fact that Dan is helping people and doing what he can to bring benefit to those who follow.

In business, there are those who get by, and those who go above and beyond in order to make me, their customer, have the best experience that I can. Yes it's good business, and yes they benefit as well, but quite frankly, who in this world ever does anything without some sort of personal interest? (Even when that interest is as simple as the good feeling you get from helping someone.) This morning a gate agent bumped me up to a better (read: paid) seat this morning for free. Yes this is good business because the airline that he works for now has a customer with a good experience under their belt, but at the same time, he went above and beyond what he had to do, and therefore I appreciated it. Every action has motivation attached to it, but if that action benefits me, then I am thankful.

I can't say that I am a true 'chasid' of Dan, as you claim, (not that that's a bad thing), but I have met him briefly on occasions, and from all of my experiences he is a nice guy who enjoys helping people even when there isn't a direct financial incentive, therefore I am thankful to him. That's all.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:17:03 PM
Which also makes JJ a deity...
Actually anything I touch becomes a deity.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:17:38 PM
Which also makes JJ a deity...
That is only two. You are missing one.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:17:56 PM
...and that is his fault?

absolutely not

But I do think that there should be a certain about of "buyer beware " that should go with this site
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:18:25 PM
I'll say it again guys. FREAKONOMICS, read it!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 05:18:53 PM
I believe most everyone on DDF knows its a business. The ones that don't also think he makes deals with el Al for $300 fares. And want him to make those deals more often.

ALOL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:20:42 PM
Not blinded by admiration, and I absolutely see it as a business. I'm reminded of that every time that my phone buzzes with a Twitter alert that I can save $1 on an Amazon Gold Box Monopoly Game!

But I firmly believe that this is much more than just a business to Dan. It was started as a hobby, meant to share his passion for travel and travel deals with the members of the interweb, without a long-term profit plan, and if I have to guess, without any wild idea that this hobby would one day be a full time job and support two families. The fact that this has actually gone on to become all that doesn't change the fact that Dan is helping people and doing what he can to bring benefit to those who follow.

In business, there are those who get by, and those who go above and beyond in order to make me, their customer, have the best experience that I can. Yes it's good business, and yes they benefit as well, but quite frankly, who in this world ever does anything without some sort of personal interest? (Even when that interest is as simple as the good feeling you get from helping someone.) This morning a gate agent bumped me up to a better (read: paid) seat this morning for free. Yes this is good business because the airline that he works for now has a customer with a good experience under their belt, but at the same time, he went above and beyond what he had to do, and therefore I appreciated it. Every action has motivation attached to it, but if that action benefits me, then I am thankful.

I can't say that I am a true 'chasid' of Dan, as you claim, (not that that's a bad thing), but I have met him briefly on occasions, and from all of my experiences he is a nice guy who enjoys helping people even when there isn't a direct financial incentive, therefore I am thankful to him. That's all.
I think the longevity is due to the fact that is started as and for several years it remained just a hobby.  Had it been only about the bottom line there were times I'd have quit.

One reason I still do seminars even though I actually have a fear of public speaking and am an introvert in real life is that people tell me that they're pleasantly surprised with my personality and the Q&A sessions.
It's nice to hear that. I guess my online persona doesn't match my real one.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:21:38 PM
absolutely not

But I do think that there should be a certain about of "buyer beware " that should go with this site
So you want a post that I'm not a tzadik?
The advertiser disclosures don't do that?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: aygart on February 05, 2015, 05:26:21 PM
I am a contrarian

but that has nothing to do with my avatar
contrarian≠incendiary
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Something Fishy on February 05, 2015, 05:29:40 PM
So you want a post that I'm not a tzadik?

We should probably make a poll on this first to see if you should:

whether Dan is a tzaddik or a bum.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:30:36 PM
You don't even know him. So why are you trying to explain what his thoughts are?

I believe most everyone on DDF knows its a business. The ones that don't also think he makes deals with el Al for $300 fares. And want him to make those deals more often.
well there a DDF chasid goes again with no concept of reality. In the real world im sorry to inform u that businesses are out for themselves. BTW, just so u know for next time, when Macy's sends u a sales catalog with AMAZING DEALS its not for ur good but for theirs. Just thought u should know that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:31:55 PM
So you want a post that I'm not a tzadik?
The advertiser disclosures don't do that?

my point is not directed at you per se.

My point is that the people that consume your blog should understand that it is a business just like any other, and should think about what you post in that light. just like if a mechanic said you expensive repairs to your car you would seek out other options.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 05:32:36 PM
absolutely not

But I do think that there should be a certain about of "buyer beware " that should go with this site
Like on tobacco or alcohol?

I think the warning should only be shown to Californian IPs
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:33:41 PM
contrarian≠incendiary

and I dont believe my posts are incendiary or flaming
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: aygart on February 05, 2015, 05:34:05 PM
But I do think that there should be a certain about of "buyer beware " that should go with any site
FTFY
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:35:21 PM
Who thinks that I'm a tzadik exactly anyway?
Have to meet some of these people to set them straight ;)

All I've encountered were people with hakaras hatov. People who flew places they otherwise couldn't afford.  I giggle when someone in a random restaurant in MIA goes crazy when they see me.  But all they really care to do is say thanks. And perhaps take a selfie for whatever reason.

Not I get that your (likely NYC if I had to guess) upbringing is to not appreciate/express sincere gratitude for anything that's not 100% altruistic (as if that exists anywhere), but it really bothers you that someone else might be thankful despite the fact that it's a business?
well first off good to c u have a sense of humor about it. I guess all this didn't get to ur head too much that u should get insulted as DDF'rs to at my blasphemous observations.
Second ur guess is incorrect im not from NYC and ive been at the receiving end of NYC related attitudes on many occasions. So that path wont work here.
and third off ur point of hakaras hatov is again incorrect. Again, do u go over to the manager of ur local supermarket when u go there to thank him for selling u food? Or is the opposite scenario more likely? I never said an act must be 100% altruistic to merit hakaras hatov. But a business is very far from 100% altruistic.

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: 3yummyboys on February 05, 2015, 05:35:27 PM

We should probably make a poll on this first to see if you should:

A diety should also be a choice
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: aygart on February 05, 2015, 05:37:10 PM
and I dont believe my posts are incendiary or flaming
That is certainly contrarian. BTW flaming≠inflammatory
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:37:46 PM
We should probably make a poll on this first to see if you should:
he's neither just a man supporting his family looking our for himself like everyone else
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: aygart on February 05, 2015, 05:38:33 PM
well first off good to c u have a sense of humor about it. I guess all this didn't get to ur head too much that u should get insulted as DDF'rs to at my blasphemous observations.
Second ur guess is incorrect im not from NYC and ive been at the receiving end of NYC related attitudes on many occasions. So that path wont work here.
and third off ur point of hakaras hatov is again incorrect. Again, do u go over to the manager of ur local supermarket when u go there to thank him for selling u food? Or is the opposite scenario more likely? I never said an act must be 100% altruistic to merit hakaras hatov. But a business is very far from 100% altruistic.


When I finish paying at a store I will tell the cashier "thank you". Do you?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:39:43 PM
Again, do u go over to the manager of ur local supermarket when u go there to thank him for selling u food? Or is the opposite scenario more likely? I never said an act must be 100% altruistic to merit hakaras hatov. But a business is very far from 100% altruistic.
Depends on the business, but the altruism has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nobody besides perhaps blood relatives are altruistic.

Do I have hakaras hatov for a regular grocery? I say thanks, but there's no H"H.
But when that grocery gives me their cc machine to use on SBS I sure do have H"H.
When a business does something unique, personal, or does something beyond what's normally expected I have H"H as I explained in several scenarios earlier.

Why is that difficult to understand? Who taught you that H"H is based on altruism?

Either way advertiser supported online businesses aren't comparable at all as the customer isn't paying anyway.

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:40:58 PM
he's neither just a man supporting his family looking our for himself like everyone else
Why don't you state your agenda and stop beating around the bush.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:41:50 PM
When I finish paying at a store I will tell the cashier "thank you". Do you?

+1000000
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:42:00 PM
IMO it does seem that some people deify you
All you have to do is take a look at any cc or air related post on DDMS. There will always be at least one person who's comment mirrors the following general theme:
DAN, you're amazing! Now can you help me book a ticket from ABC to XYZ on BA points on the following dates? Please contact me at 718-IMAFOOL to discuss. Thanks a million! You're the best!!!

Now, is that the way someone talks to a businessman or a gemach owner? (Hint: I think the latter is the right answer)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 05:42:57 PM
Again, do u go over to the manager of ur local supermarket when u go there to thank him for selling u food?

Not necessarily, depends on the experience. As I said:

In business, there are those who get by, and those who go above and beyond in order to make me, their customer, have the best experience that I can. Yes it's good business, and yes they benefit as well, but quite frankly, who in this world ever does anything without some sort of personal interest?

...he went above and beyond what he had to do, and therefore I appreciated it.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:43:29 PM
When I finish paying at a store I will tell the cashier "thank you". Do you?

I do most of the time, but that is a matter of courtesy not hakaret hatov
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:44:12 PM
All you have to do is take a look at any cc or air related post on DDMS. There will always be at least one person who's comment mirrors the following general theme:
DAN, you're amazing! Now can you help me book a ticket from ABC to XYZ on BA points on the following dates? Please contact me at 718-IMAFOOL to discuss. Thanks a million! You're the best!!!

Now, is that the way someone talks to a businessman or a gemach owner? (Hint: I think the latter is the right answer)

Actually those people honestly think I run a travel agency.

When the MH370 story went viral several people said it was made up to bring business to my "Travel agency".

I get emails daily from many people who think I'm a TA.  Nothing to do with a gmach.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:44:28 PM
Why don't you state your agenda and stop beating around the bush.
Perhaps ur around a different bush than me. i have no agenda other than what i said-the deification is ridiculous. Now if u wanna do it go ahead im just pointing out how silly and naive it is.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:45:28 PM
That is certainly contrarian. BTW flaming≠inflammatory

I might be a little inflammatory, but I do stand by what I say
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:45:31 PM
Actually those people think I run a travel agency.

When the MH370 story went viral several people said it was made up to bring business to my "Travel agency".

I get emails daily from people who think I'm a TA. Nothing to do with a gmach.
good answer but with frum people it's more of a gemach mentality. they think ur a TA gemach who does it for free
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:46:04 PM
Perhaps ur around a different bush than me. i have no agenda other than what i said-the deification is ridiculous. Now if u wanna do it go ahead im just pointing out how silly and naive it is.
Maybe make a new thread reminding people that Benny Friedman is just human and actually makes money when he performs?
Please stop asking him for a selfie or signature and for gosh sakes stop asking him if he's Dan already.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:46:36 PM
good answer but with frum people it's more of a gemach mentality. they think ur a TA gemach who does it for free
Then they also think the TA around the corner is working for free.  You can't fix stupid.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:47:20 PM
Depends on the business, but the altruism has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nobody besides perhaps blood relatives are altruistic.

Do I have hakaras hatov for a regular grocery? I say thanks, but there's no H"H.
But when that grocery gives me their cc machine to use on SBS I sure do have H"H.
When a business does something unique, personal, or does something beyond what's normally expected I have H"H as I explained in several scenarios earlier.

Why is that difficult to understand? Who taught you that H"H is based on altruism?

Either way advertiser supported online businesses aren't comparable at all as the customer isn't paying anyway.
Ok thats understandable. someone who u went beyond the call of duty for that person should owe u H"H. So what? Have u done that for most of ur readers? (not that ur expected to-again u have to run a business)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:47:32 PM
Perhaps ur around a different bush than me. i have no agenda other than what i said-the deification is ridiculous. Now if u wanna do it go ahead im just pointing out how silly and naive it is.
OK you made your point on what you think is happening. Is there any need to post further?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:47:54 PM
You don't even know him. So why are you trying to explain what his thoughts are?

I believe most everyone on DDF knows its a business. The ones that don't also think he makes deals with el Al for $300 fares. And want him to make those deals more often.
well there a DDF chasid goes again with no concept of reality. In the real world im sorry to inform u that businesses are out for themselves. BTW, just so u know for next time, when Macy's sends u a sales catalog with AMAZING DEALS its not for ur good but for theirs. Just thought u should know that.

JJ himself said it's a business in the post you quoted. You're not making sense.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:48:27 PM
Ok thats understandable. someone who u went beyond the call of duty for that person should owe u H"H. So what? Have u done that for most of ur readers? (not that ur expected to-again u have to run a business)
Either they feel that what I do is uniquely helpful to them and they are thankful or they don't.
What are you getting at other than going in circles?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:48:35 PM
When I finish paying at a store I will tell the cashier "thank you". Do you?
ya thats called manners and an expression of appreciation. It is not a DEBT of H"H that u owe him. Or is it? If he'd ask u to lend him money would u? After all, u owe him H"H?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:49:59 PM
my point is not directed at you per se.

My point is that the people that consume your blog should understand that it is a business just like any other, and should think about what you post in that light. just like if a mechanic said you expensive repairs to your car you would seek out other options.
My point exactly. What is so difficult about this? Why do DDF'rs see this as an attack?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:51:59 PM
JJ himself said it's a business in the post you quoted. You're not making sense.
Yes I am. in the same breath he said that it's a business but i dont know why he did it. Do i know why Macy's made a sale? Yes-because they want to make money. So who's not making sense? he contradicted himself from one line to another.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:52:57 PM
My point exactly. What is so difficult about this? Why do DDF'rs see this as an attack?
So DDF and MMS is the same business wise?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 05:53:43 PM
WTF!! Just read through this thread, some of you guys are a bunch of immature inconsiderate hollow -head .
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 05:54:06 PM
My point exactly. What is so difficult about this? Why do DDF'rs see this as an attack?

it not only DDFers

dissent isnt treason
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 05:54:19 PM
ya thats called manners and an expression of appreciation.
........and if the guy ahead of you on line gave him a nice warm yashar koiach, would you give a 4 hour shmuz to the entire store that the owner is out for himself? Your manners blow me away.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:54:19 PM
Yes I am. in the same breath he said that it's a business but i dont know why he did it. Do i know why Macy's made a sale? Yes-because they want to make money. So who's not making sense? he contradicted himself from one line to another.

You had said:

U know when Dan posts a crazy cheap price mistake like for a flight I suppose its possible that in the back of his mind he's thinking how he might help others but his main concern is generating traffic for the site which raises the bottom line. Now, before some DDF chasidim go crazy, THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. Its called doing business. But at least recognize it for what it is. His primary concern is for himself and his family, not to provide you and you're family with deals. As such, hes human (gasp!!!) like every other businessman.

That's purporting to know a lot more about his thought process beyond the obvious point which everyone in this thread acknowledges which is that money is a driving factor.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:54:49 PM
Either they feel that what I do is uniquely helpful to them and they are thankful or they don't.
What are you getting at other than going in circles?
If i'm going in cirlces so are you and all the "defenders" bec were all having same convo. just pointing out.
And as i said im not saying anything to u. Ur the businessman doing what u got to do (including when it may not be beneficial in the long term like posting of deals likely to die as a result of attn but lets not get into that now).
im simply stating the obvious to some followers here who seem to not understand the obvious.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 05:55:40 PM
WTF!! Just read through this thread, some of you guys are a bunch of immature inconsiderate hollow -head bastards.

You don't mince words, do you? :-)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 05:56:12 PM
Ur the businessman doing what u got to do

Stop acting like you're the only one making this point!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 05:57:51 PM
im simply stating the obvious to some followers here who seem to not understand the obvious.
You seem to be stating a lot of things.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:58:16 PM
........and if the guy ahead of you on line gave him a nice warm yashar koiach, would you give a 4 hour shmuz to the entire store that the owner is out for himself? Your manners blow me away.
No. But if he'd give him a big thank you and then ask him to help him bring his stuff to the car and start opening at a time more convenient for him and to make for him a special VIP lane i'd pull the guy aside and inform of his right to act normal and recognize reality that the manager is working for his own family not for you. That's what goes on here. People take Dan to be a gemach owner/superhero/TA. that's delusional. its that simple.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 05:58:34 PM
If i'm going in cirlces so are you and all the "defenders" bec were all having same convo. just pointing out.
And as i said im not saying anything to u. Ur the businessman doing what u got to do (including when it may not be beneficial in the long term like posting of deals likely to die as a result of attn but lets not get into that now).
im simply stating the obvious to some followers here who seem to not understand the obvious.
If everything you're saying is fact, and posting a mistake is always solely for more money, then why did I run this site for years without making a dime with no intention of it ever being a business?

Yes, it's a business today.
Yes, I had obligations to cc companies that I may not be 100% proud of, but did what I did to feed my family and made the best balance I could while keeping DDF as a place where people could discuss things further.

No, not everything I do or write about is thinking of greenbacks.  What a poor outlook that is.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 05:59:12 PM
WTF!! Just read through this thread, some of you guys are a bunch of immature inconsiderate hollow -head bastards.
How el;eloquently put. You have a bright future as an orator.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 05:59:56 PM
Yes I am. in the same breath he said that it's a business but i dont know why he did it. Do i know why Macy's made a sale? Yes-because they want to make money. So who's not making sense? he contradicted himself from one line to another.
all your comments are going back to the same mistake and that is you think dan trying to fool people that it's not a business, the only ones who think so are a few of the DDMS followers. Most of them don't think so and i can tell you first hand i have had countless people ask me so how does dan make money off of it and they didn't ask because they thought he is doing it for free...


ETA it's not a mistake just someone with an anti dan agenda and that is quite obvious no matter how much you deny it
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 06:00:19 PM
You don't mince words, do you? :-)
Nope, not known to
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:00:22 PM
WHISKEY TANGO FOXTROT

+1K
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:01:27 PM
If everything you're saying is fact, and posting a mistake is always solely for more money, then why did I run this site for years without making a dime with no intention of it ever being a business?
Because Aj3042 knew you had a secret agenda all the time. Haven't you figured it out yet that he/she knows your every thought.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:02:20 PM
Because Aj3042 knew you had a secret agenda all the time. Haven't you figured it out yet that he/she it knows your every thought.

FTFY
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:02:47 PM
Because Aj3042 knew you had a secret agenda all the time. Haven't you figured it out yet that he/she knows your every thought.
Darn it all! Forgot to put this on today!
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/food/tinfoilmain615.jpg)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:02:51 PM
If everything you're saying is fact, and posting a mistake is always solely for more money, then why did I run this site for years without making a dime with no intention of it ever being a business?
I can believe you started it as a hobby (and possibly as a gemach) and then it morphed into a business as you got the responsibility of raising and supporting a family. is this assumption incorrect in any way? Do you not make a living off it now? Or do you secretly work as a doctor or something in your time off from helping others through this charitable site? Aagin, not in an insulting way-just realistic. I think you might even agree with this assessment.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
+1K
What is that? Code for DAN IS THE MAN or something?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:05:25 PM
If everything you're saying is fact, and posting a mistake is always solely for more money, then why did I run this site for years without making a dime with no intention of it ever being a business?

Yes, it's a business today.
Yes, I had obligations to cc companies that I may not be 100% proud of, but did what I did to feed my family and made the best balance I could while keeping DDF as a place where people could discuss things further.

No, not everything I do or write about is thinking of greenbacks.  What a poor outlook that is.
Ok i dont have any issue with anything u said.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 06:05:40 PM
People take Dan to be a gemach owner/superhero/TA. that's delusional. its that simple.

You're thick sir. Whiskey Tango Hotel is your problem for ppl feeling thankful to Dan for giving them access to the most amazing experiences(not talking about idi*ts)?

Aj3042: "Business, Business, Business, Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business,Business, Business, Business..................."

STOP! We heard you.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
I can believe you started it as a hobby (and possibly as a gemach) and then it morphed into a business as you got the responsibility of raising and supporting a family. is this assumption incorrect in any way? Do you not make a living off it now? Or do you secretly work as a doctor or something in your time off from helping others through this charitable site? Aagin, not in an insulting way-just realistic. I think you might even agree with this assessment.
No ---- sherlock
Isn't that exactly what I said throughout this thread?
And here:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/55340

"In the meantime my little blog had taken off and was paying the bills.  Well, the miles I earn take care of the flights and hotels, but I never thought that blogging would be a career choice.  And yet for some reason itís read by 300,000 unique users per month who view the site millions of times a month. And I have nobody to thank as much as my readers and the one above for having one of the more unique jobs in the world."
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Red on February 05, 2015, 06:07:22 PM
I can believe you started it as a hobby (and possibly as a gemach) and then it morphed into a business as you got the responsibility of raising and supporting a family. is this assumption incorrect in any way? Do you not make a living off it now? Or do you secretly work as a doctor or something in your time off from helping others through this charitable site? Aagin, not in an insulting way-just realistic. I think you might even agree with this assessment.
Can you please stop with the "not in an insulting way" crap? Why don't you start every post with a "with all due respect" too.  ::)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 05, 2015, 06:08:00 PM


Aagin, not in an insulting way-just realistic.

Who you fooling?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Toasted on February 05, 2015, 06:08:09 PM
No ---- sherlock
Isn't that exactly what I said throughout this thread?
And here:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/55340

"In the meantime my little blog had taken off and was paying the bills.  Well, the miles I earn take care of the flights and hotels, but I never thought that blogging would be a career choice.  And yet for some reason itís read by 300,000 unique users per month who view the site millions of times a month. And I have nobody to thank as much as my readers and the one above for having one of the more unique jobs in the world."
He believes that your thanks to your readers is way overblown. They're all here for themselves!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:08:59 PM
If everything you're saying is fact, and posting a mistake is always solely for more money, then why did I run this site for years without making a dime with no intention of it ever being a business?

Yes, it's a business today.
Yes, I had obligations to cc companies that I may not be 100% proud of, but did what I did to feed my family and made the best balance I could while keeping DDF as a place where people could discuss things further.

No, not everything I do or write about is thinking of greenbacks.  What a poor outlook that is.

there is nothing wring with running a business
but if you look at what you posted in the hobby days and what has been posted recently you will see a difference

I know that one DDfer told me that he put up a comprehensive post in DDf and it was pulled down by Mods because. and the reason that was given was "because CC companies do check whats on the forums. and that they would have issues with that post"
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:09:03 PM
No ---- sherlock
Isn't that exactly what I said throughout this thread?
And here:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/55340

"In the meantime my little blog had taken off and was paying the bills.  Well, the miles I earn take care of the flights and hotels, but I never thought that blogging would be a career choice.  And yet for some reason itís read by 300,000 unique users per month who view the site millions of times a month. And I have nobody to thank as much as my readers and the one above for having one of the more unique jobs in the world."
as one poster pointed out, dissent is clearly not approved of here. The DDF mindless drone police force will attack if u say one word against his holiness.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:11:31 PM
"And I have nobody to thank as much as my readers and the one above for having one of the more unique jobs in the world."

Look at that, he practices what he preaches!

I certainly don't think that anyone would say that the people who come here are in it for anyone but themselves, (IDK anyone who buys things they don't need, or signs up for CCs they don't want, just so that Dan can make a living, and yet he thanks his readers, because without them, the DD community would have never grown into what it is today.

He posts, we gain. We post, he gains. And we're all appreciative of each other for collectively creating a place of mutual benefit. (Which is YES, also a business - had to say that, or else you would have.) Doubleyou Tee Fitzgerald bothers you so much about this?!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:12:02 PM
No ---- sherlock
Isn't that exactly what I said throughout this thread?
And here:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/55340

"In the meantime my little blog had taken off and was paying the bills.  Well, the miles I earn take care of the flights and hotels, but I never thought that blogging would be a career choice.  And yet for some reason itís read by 300,000 unique users per month who view the site millions of times a month. And I have nobody to thank as much as my readers and the one above for having one of the more unique jobs in the world."
Paging all drones, question for you. Why were the Chase recon lines pulled from the main site some time back? Was that for the benefit of the public or some communication btwn bloggers and chase? Just saying
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:12:12 PM
there is nothing wring with running a business
but if you look at what you posted in the hobby days and what has been posted recently you will see a difference

I know that one DDfer told me that he put up a comprehensive post in DDf and it was pulled down by Mods because. and the reason that was given was "because CC companies do check whats on the forums. and that they would have issues with that post"
The post on churning? Are you kidding?
It was pulled because it's a dumb idea.

I can go make a post on churning now and kill the whole thing within 2 months but what is the point?

Whatever happened to dan lkaf zchus? Or even simple asking before ASSuming?  I have a public email ya know.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:13:07 PM
as one poster pointed out, dissent is clearly not approved of here. The DDF mindless drone police force will attack if u say one word against his holiness.
If dissent wasn't approved I'd have banned several posters from this thread already.  I know many other forums that would have done just that by now.

Stupidity OTOH, that I can't fix.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:14:26 PM
Paging all drones, question for you. Why were the Chase recon lines pulled from the main site some time back? Was that for the benefit of the public or some communication btwn bloggers and chase? Just saying

Are you blind? Serious question with "no offense intended" as I just responded to you with this 18 minutes ago:

Yes, I had obligations to cc companies that I may not be 100% proud of, but did what I did to feed my family and made the best balance I could while keeping DDF as a place where people could discuss things further.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:17:05 PM
Are you blind? Serious question as I just responded to you with this 20 minutes ago:
Ok so u admit it? Good to hear. don't make it sound like you were singing to this tune from the beginning. Here you have a clear example of something which is bad for your readers and frum people but you did it anyways. So you're just a regular person out for yourself who does favors for others on occasion. so do we agree on the final picture so we can lay the matter to rest?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:18:26 PM
Ok so u admit it? Good to hear. don't make it sound like you were singing to this tune from the beginning. Here you have a clear example of something which is bad for your readers and frum people but you did it anyways. So you're just a regular person out for yourself who does favors for others on occasion. so do we agree on the final picture so we can lay the matter to rest?
OMG.

I posted this link hours ago in this thread: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25254.0

I AM NOT A TZADIK!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 06:20:23 PM


I AM NOT A TZADIK!
Only a true Tzadik denies his own Tzidkus :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:20:49 PM
OMG.

I posted this link hours ago in this thread: http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=25254.0

I AM NOT A TZADIK!
good ur being mikayem the mitzvah of destroying avodah zarah.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:21:58 PM
The post on churning? Are you kidding?
It was pulled because it's a dumb idea.

I can go make a post on churning now and kill the whole thing within 2 months but what is the point?

Whatever happened to dan lkaf zchus? Or even simple asking before ASSuming?  I have a public email ya know.

Im just repeating what he told me. I know thats not a good source and there is an element of "broken telephone" involved   
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:22:17 PM
Only a true Tzadik denies his own Tzidkus :P
Ha i think it should go into the next Mishpacha interview Dan has, u know the way these articles make ppl sound
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:23:07 PM
Aj3042 is not trying to criticize Dan or what he does
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:23:47 PM
(http://galeri.uludagsozluk.com/8/don-t-feed-the-troll_12918.jpg)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:23:50 PM
Im just repeating what he told me. I know thats not a good source and there is an element of "broken telephone" involved   
Well now you're definitely in violation of several halachas ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:24:09 PM
Aj3042 is not trying to criticize Dan or what he does
coorect
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:24:56 PM
Aj3042 is not trying to criticize Dan or what he does
...and I am not trying to make money off MS.  ::)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:25:28 PM
...and I am not trying to make money off MS.  ::)
incorrect
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:25:40 PM
I am not trying to make money off MS.  ::)
He shoots, he scores! ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:26:06 PM
coorect
Was your hand shaking when you type that? I wonder why.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:26:32 PM
Well now you're definitely in violation of several halachas ;)

that might be
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 06:27:19 PM
Aj3042 is not trying to criticize Dan or what he does

What's his agenda then?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:27:25 PM
...and I am not trying to make money off MS.  ::)
Are u a close friend of Dan or something? Ur vehement defense of his every word and ur jumping on anyone who dares to suggest anything that not 100% complementary of him seems a bit strange. Unless that's just a symptom DDF syndrome.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
What's his agenda then?
i think that u need to go back to rading comprehension class. My agenda is not to bash Dan, nor to take over the world, nor anything else other than what I wrote in my posts. U need to focus on what s written f you want to understand it.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 06:29:23 PM
What's his agenda then?
I mean, it's pretty clear: people JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND that DD is a business! Like, one that makes money! Why won't anyone agree with him? I don't understand! Isn't it clear that this is a business?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:29:52 PM
i think that u need to go back to rading comprehension class. My agenda is not to bash Dan, nor to take over the world, nor anything else other than what I wrote in my posts. U need to focus on what s written f you want to understand it.
ALOL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:30:14 PM
Was your hand shaking when you type that? I wonder why.
not quite. im just trying keep up with all the crazies here. and if it was shaking it would b from laughter of how ridiculous this convo is.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:30:35 PM
What's his agenda then?

I think what he is trying to say is that some people overly rely on what Dan posts on the MS without doing their own due diligence 
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
I mean, it's pretty clear: people JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND that DD is a business! Like, one that makes money! Why won't anyone agree with him? I don't understand! Isn't it clear that this is a business?
Totally baffling isn't it? Join the club
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:31:22 PM
I think what he is trying to say is that some people overly rely on what Dan posts on the MS without doing their own due diligence

Stupidity OTOH, that I can't fix.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:32:07 PM
Are u a close friend of Dan or something? Ur vehement defense of his every word and ur jumping on anyone who dares to suggest anything that not 100% complementary of him seems a bit strange. Unless that's just a symptom DDF syndrome.
Lol, yeah Chaim went to yeshiva with me  ;D
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:32:18 PM
Are u a close friend of Dan or something? Ur vehement defense of his every word and ur jumping on anyone who dares to suggest anything that not 100% complementary of him seems a bit strange. Unless that's just a symptom DDF syndrome.
I have went head to head with him more than once. I didn't fake what my real motives like you are doing. My position on DDS/DDF is he posts way to much information. If you want to go after me as someone who follows the party line most members here will be ROFLTAO.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 06:32:32 PM
Totally baffling isn't it? Join the club
Yeah, some people are just sooooo dense.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:33:28 PM
Totally baffling isn't it? Join the club
so you are just a dumb who didn't realize dan does it to make money therefore you go ahead and bash him? am iunderstanding correctly?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:33:32 PM
What's his agenda then?
In fact my agenda is for a new world order in which DDF'ers rule the world. It's a big secret though so please don't tell anyone! Everything else i said in my posts was just to mask this evil agenda and conspiracy i have! How'd u figure it out though?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:33:39 PM
Lol, yeah Chaim went to yeshiva with me  ;D
ALOL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:34:10 PM



but we can have a civilized discussion and bring the issue to the forefront
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:34:22 PM
Lol, yeah Chaim went to yeshiva with me  ;D
Ok that is a satisfactory explanation.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 06:35:25 PM
i think that u need to go back to rading comprehension class. My agenda is not to bash Dan, nor to take over the world, nor anything else other than what I wrote in my posts. U need to focus on what s written f you want to understand it.

My comprehension skills are excellent. You're arguments are all over the place.

Can someone get AJK...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:35:31 PM
Ok that is a satisfactory explanation.
ROTFL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:35:45 PM
so you are just a dumbass who didn't realize dan does it to make money therefore you go ahead and bash him? am iunderstanding correctly?

there is no reason to flame
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:35:48 PM

but we can have a civilized discussion and bring the issue to the forefront

What did I say that argued with that? (The quote is empty, so I'm not sure what you're responding to.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:35:51 PM
so you are just a dumbass who didn't realize dan does it to make money therefore you go ahead and bash him? am i understanding correctly?
You can often tell if a person has content in his message by whether he resorts to profanity in an otherwise clean convo. If you had something of actual substance to say you wouldve done exactly that.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:36:22 PM
Ok that is a satisfactory explanation.

ALOL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:36:40 PM
You can often tell if a person has content in his message by whether he resorts to profanity in an otherwise clean convo. If you had something of actual substance to say you wouldve done exactly that.
Very clean conversation here absolutly
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:37:03 PM
Ok that is a satisfactory explanation.
Lol, we just happen to be decades apart in age, live in different cities, have completely different cc philosophies, and have different religions.
Other than that, we're just inseparable and never get into an argument online. You hit the nail on the head.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:37:12 PM
I have went head to head with him more than once. I didn't fake what my real motives like you are doing. My position on DDS/DDF is he posts way to much information. If you want to go after me as someone who follows the party line most members here will be ROFLTAO.
Well that is my position as well. But he posts those bits of info bec its good for biz. exactly my point.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:38:01 PM
Very clean conversation here absolutly
Uh ya until u came that is. Show me where I spoke with profanity?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:38:08 PM
there is no reason to flame
...and trolling is a form of flaming.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 06:38:42 PM
Well that is my position as well. But he posts those bits of info bec its good for biz. exactly my point.
(http://www.micaforcongress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/breaking-news-file-jpg.jpg)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:39:39 PM
...and trolling is a form of flaming.

I dont believe AJ is trolling
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:39:48 PM
Uh ya until u came that is. Show me where I spoke with profanity?
That doesn't make it clean you came out here with an agenda and now you just keep trolling
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 06:39:55 PM
You can often tell if a person has content in his message by whether he resorts to profanity in an otherwise clean convo. If you had something of actual substance to say you wouldve done exactly that.
You can also tell if someone has something of value to say if he needs to repeatedly say the same thing over and over again, while the whole time people agree with his main point but feel that his outlook on the world is warped.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:40:09 PM
I dont believe AJ is trolling
What planet do you live on
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:40:27 PM
Well that is my position as well. But he posts those bits of info bec its good for biz. exactly my point.
We get it. You believe everything he does is motivated by profit, I don't. Is there any other point you would like to make because we are all running out of popcorn.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 06:40:45 PM
Btw, I believe that Aj3042 should link every one of his posts to this video:
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:41:07 PM
I dont believe AJ is trolling
I was talking about him with my response.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:41:34 PM
That doesn't make it clean you came out here with an agenda and now you just keep trolling
yes i came out here w an agenda to state my opinion. Quite some agenda
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:42:12 PM
yes i came out here w an agenda to state my opinion. Quite some agenda
I don't buy it
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:42:17 PM
We get it. You believe everything he does is motivated by profit, I don't. Is there any other point you would like to make because we are all running out of popcorn.

Maybe check this out:

I do trust you on the cards piece, because teaching us how to manage our wallets is your core competency. If it's not in your short term interest to turn it down, my guess is it's in your long term interest (in your mind). It's either that or irrational Dan you choose :).

And my daily "amazon gold deal of the day" texts and deals to save a a couple dollars on 100 bags of popcorn or a package of diapers, all from amazon hmm, is a reminder that you don't apply that standard (only post about it if it's good enough for me) to all deals that you do for cards.

And I applaud you for it!
Thanks for admitting it. (seriously)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:42:23 PM
There goes my post account again.  >:(
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:42:29 PM
What planet do you live on

I dont live on a planet I live on Pluto   :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:43:04 PM
I dont live on a planet I live on Pluto   :P
figures
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:43:09 PM
What planet do you live on
the planet where ppl can state their minds wthout being attacked. Which one do u come from?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 06:43:40 PM
"I'm not a businessman. I'm a business, man."
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 06:44:01 PM
There goes my post account again.  >:(
You need to start posting in more threads besides for popcorn threads :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:44:34 PM
I don't buy it
well as i said. u c thru things most ppl dont. in fact i seek world domination not to state my opinion on DDF.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:45:49 PM
the planet where ppl can state their minds wthout being attacked. Which one do u come from?
I have no problem with people stating their minds but the way you go about it is proving that you have some sort of agenda and so do i, mine is to stop those whose agenda is to attack people for doing nothing wrong. what's yours?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:46:45 PM
well as i said. u c thru things most ppl dont. in fact i seek world domination not to state my opinion on DDF.
It's quite obvious to all but you and incendia
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:46:55 PM
I have no problem with people stating their minds but the way you go about it is proving that you have some sort of agenda and so do i, mine is to stop those whose agenda is to attack people for doing nothing wrong. what's yours?

can you quote an example
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:47:32 PM
well as i said. u c thru things most ppl dont. in fact i seek world domination not to state my opinion on DDF.
All you have done is solidify Dan's support. You need to read my book: Trolling 101
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:48:39 PM
All you have done is solidify Dan's support. You need to read my book: Trolling 101
funny i c this thread most moved from cc to just scmooze
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:49:53 PM
All you have done is solidify Dan's support. You need to read my book: Trolling 101
I've solidified his support? Uh oh is he gonna send out the whole drone army now?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:50:14 PM
funny i c this thread most moved from cc to just scmooze

As all of the best popcorn threads do!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:50:46 PM
can you quote an example
it's a combination of his 40+ posts on this thread saying the same thing without realizing it
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
it's a combination of his 40+ posts on this thread saying the same thing without realizing it
well some ppl need things to be repeated many times before they absorb them
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 06:51:39 PM
As all of the best popcorn threads do!
-1
The best ones get deleted :'(
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:53:01 PM
well some ppl need things to be repeated many times before they absorb them
that's what i call, out with an agenda
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:53:03 PM
-1
The best ones get deleted :'(

Touchť
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:53:24 PM
I've solidified his support? Uh oh is he gonna send out the whole drone army now?
You are not even good at trolling.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: incendia on February 05, 2015, 06:53:50 PM
can we agree to disagree and call it quits
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 06:54:48 PM
What need is there to call it? Why not just quit?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:55:02 PM
that's what i call, out with an agenda
indeed. i aim to achieve world domination one DDF member at a time. ur proving very difficult to fall into my evil snare
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 06:55:26 PM
You are not even good at trolling.
-1 unfortunately he did a pretty good job
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:55:57 PM
What need is there to call it? Why not just quit?
maybe the DDF paramilitary force has run out of ammo
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:56:36 PM
-1 unfortunately he did a pretty good job
ha finally a compliment  :)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 06:57:05 PM
-1 unfortunately he did a pretty good job
Take if from an expert. He gives trolls a bad name. The good trolls can troll without the other side knowing it.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 06:58:26 PM
Take if from an expert. He gives trolls a bad name. The good trolls can troll without the other side knowing it.
do u serve as the expert troll investigator in the DDF army command?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 06:59:22 PM
Take if from an expert. He gives trolls a bad name. The good trolls can troll without the other side knowing it.

Like so?
What's his agenda then?
I mean, it's pretty clear: people JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND that DD is a business! Like, one that makes money! Why won't anyone agree with him? I don't understand! Isn't it clear that this is a business?
Totally baffling isn't it? Join the club
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 07:01:11 PM
do u serve as the expert troll investigator in the DDF army command?
At least use real military terms if you're* going to make such jokes.

*I apologize for the correct usage of you're, I realize it may be confusing for you.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 07:01:16 PM
Like so?

ROTFL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:01:23 PM
do u serve as the expert troll investigator in the DDF army command?
Would you go into a car dealership and try and beat them at there own game? You are out of your league.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 07:02:08 PM

Like so?
good point
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 07:02:14 PM
Would go into a car dealership and try and beat them at there own game? You are out of your league.
Hey, hey. He must have plenty more army metaphors to use.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Aj3042 on February 05, 2015, 07:03:32 PM
At least use real military terms if you're* going to make such jokes.

*I apologize for the correct usage of you're, I realize it may be confusing for you.
oh i didnt realize  that expert troll investigator wasnt the real military term. Who knew?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: VacationLover on February 05, 2015, 07:07:55 PM
yes i came out here w an agenda to state my opinion. Quite some agenda
I'm not in the mood to argue but i just want to understand. You agree that you have benefits from Dansdeals and you agree that others benefit from all kinds of deals miles/tickets/price m/amazon/TR etc. And i think its very obvious that not everyone benefits from every deal but we look for posts that interest us. Now you probably follow DD for your own benefit and you are on DDF for your benefit, you come out and claim that Dan means biz? Even if its 100% true what do you care???
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:08:41 PM
What is the difference between DDF and Sungames?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 07:09:38 PM
What is the difference between DDF and Sungames?
there is no need to invest in DDF it's all free
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 07:10:01 PM
What is the difference between DDF and Sungames?
Sungames has lots of "leaders", DDF has only 1 leader.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:10:58 PM
DDF can take down Sungames but Sungames can't take down DDF.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:12:44 PM
Forum Games thread. (Aka count to 10,000 thread) is closed for remodeling and has been moved here:

10424
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 07:14:25 PM
DDF can take down Sungames but Sungames can't take down DDF.
Until the Bureau arrests all the sungames people. Then there won't be anyone left on DDF. ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:15:18 PM
10425
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 07:17:44 PM
10425
That's against the rules you can't post twice in a row
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:18:52 PM
10426

My understanding there only needs to be a post in between.

The rules are simple no consecutive posts by one member except for the TMR.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 07:19:50 PM
I think we're getting a bit off topic.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:20:14 PM
10427
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: AharonInIsrael on February 05, 2015, 07:20:40 PM
10427
Fine. 10428
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: avromie7 on February 05, 2015, 07:21:47 PM
I think we're getting a bit off topic.
Why would you think so
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: lunatic on February 05, 2015, 07:24:02 PM
Wow,  just read through this whole thing... I think we need a wiki
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 07:25:33 PM
Wow,  just read through this whole thing... I think we need a wiki

So nu!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:25:56 PM
10429
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 07:27:18 PM
10430
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:28:19 PM
10431
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 07:28:43 PM
Wow,  just read through this whole thing... I think we need a wiki

I gave it a shot.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 07:31:35 PM
I gave it a shot.
Shkoyech!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:32:00 PM
I gave it a shot.
Nice but you mention that DD is a business?  :)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 07:32:09 PM
I gave it a shot.

And did wonderfully! I actually burst out laughing! Kudos!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 07:34:41 PM
And did wonderfully! I actually burst out laughing! Kudos!
Is the adopt a wiki program still running? Maybe I'll take all useless threads that serve no actual benefit to anyone. That way no one will have to thank me.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 07:35:13 PM
10432
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Lou Bob on February 05, 2015, 07:42:53 PM
It's 5 o'clock somewhere
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 07:43:01 PM
Epic wiki
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 07:46:38 PM
Can someone please send me a penny? I'll forward it to 5 others...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:48:56 PM
Should we get out the fork or give it a day?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 07:51:12 PM
Should we get out the fork or give it a day?

Downgraded on the Popcorn Master already.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Redbull3 on February 05, 2015, 07:51:44 PM
Forkification required
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 07:54:20 PM
Downgraded on the Popcorn Master already.
How quickly they fall.  :)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 07:58:35 PM
How quickly they fall.  :)
Never trust these fast growing threads. Slow and steady does it...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 08:00:55 PM
Never trust these fast growing threads. Slow and steady does it...
We can start a new one.

Fine, so Dan is not a deity. But is he Moshiach?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: jj1000 on February 05, 2015, 08:02:00 PM
Yes I am. in the same breath he said that it's a business but i dont know why he did it. Do i know why Macy's made a sale? Yes-because they want to make money. So who's not making sense? he contradicted himself from one line to another.
Did you ever think he enjoys it?

@CM I won't let it die. This guy is too much. I hope he doesn't thank his doctor, and let's see how he is treated next time. I personally do think Dan is AMAZING and deserves all the thanks he gets. Someone has issues when they are worried about someone else being thanked publicly. @Aj3042 who hurt you?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 08:03:47 PM
Let's see if he takes the bait! Watching...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 08:04:23 PM
Let's see if he takes the bait! Watching...
Don't jinx it >:(
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 08:04:32 PM
Fine, so Dan is not a deity. But is he Moshiach?
Glad you asked that because I did not want to ask in the other thread?
Does Moshiach mean Messiah?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 08:04:57 PM
Glad you asked that because I did not want to ask in the other thread?
Does Moshiach mean Messiah?
Yups
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 05, 2015, 08:05:35 PM
We can start a new one.

Fine, so Dan is not a deity. But is he Moshiach?
#LessorKnownDanFacts
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Lou Bob on February 05, 2015, 08:06:46 PM
Someone needs a drink
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 08:07:37 PM
Yups
I was afraid of that.  >:(
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 08:08:15 PM

If I hadn't wasted enough time today, I'd be inclined to start a #danfacts thread, ala chuck norris facts
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 08:09:09 PM
We can start a new one.

Fine, so Dan is not a deity. But is he Moshiach?
Wiki updated...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 05, 2015, 08:09:21 PM
CM I won't let it die. This guy is too much. I hope he doesn't thank his doctor, and let's see how he is treated next time. I personally do think Dan is AMAZING and deserves all the thanks he gets. Someone has issues when they are worried about someone else being thanked publicly. @Aj3042 who hurt you?
Do what you have to do. DW just came home with a fresh load of popcorn. OR in a jar, old school.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 08:09:54 PM
If I hadn't wasted enough time today, I'd be inclined to start a #danfacts thread, ala chuck norris facts

Was just thinking the same thing!!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 08:33:39 PM
At least use real military terms if you're* going to make such jokes.

*I apologize for the correct usage of you're, I realize it may be confusing for you.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 08:33:57 PM
But I do think that there should be a certain about of "buyer beware " that should go with life
FTFY
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 08:35:42 PM
Thank you!
Your welcome
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 08:37:43 PM
ur welcome
FTFY
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: VacationLover on February 05, 2015, 08:41:30 PM
I've never seen such a helpful Wikipedia...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yosef_S on February 05, 2015, 08:48:08 PM
FTFY

LOL
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 09:11:22 PM
Fine, so Dan is not a deity. But is he Moshiach?
Yups
I AM NOT A TZADIK!
I was afraid of that.  >:(

Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 05, 2015, 09:20:46 PM

Only a true Tzadik denies his own Tzidkus :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: duddys on February 05, 2015, 09:27:07 PM
Love the wiki
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: coralsnake on February 05, 2015, 09:58:03 PM
I can't wait until we find out that Dan is not even really Jewish- That the only guy he went to yeshiva with was THIS GUY (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/16018/ywn-exclusive-lakewood-community-rocked-by-non-jewish-man-posing-as-jew.html) and that he only came up with the whole scheme because it was good for business.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: noturbizniss on February 05, 2015, 10:04:05 PM
BEST
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: noturbizniss on February 05, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
WIKI
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: noturbizniss on February 05, 2015, 10:04:25 PM
EVER
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: noturbizniss on February 05, 2015, 10:04:31 PM
That is all
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 05, 2015, 10:06:10 PM
I can't wait until we find out that Dan is not even really Jewish- That the only guy he went to yeshiva with was THIS GUY (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/general/16018/ywn-exclusive-lakewood-community-rocked-by-non-jewish-man-posing-as-jew.html) and that he only came up with the whole scheme because it was good for business.
What ever happened to the guy's kids ? Are they still in Lakewood ?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Freddie on February 05, 2015, 10:11:59 PM
I have not been following this whole thread, so maybe this has been said already, but....

I find the entire nature of this discussion really outrageous and fowl. When you type letters and press "post" do you think about the human being who is reading them at the other end? It is poshut so cruel and nasty, and it hurts just to read. Forget about hakoras hatov, just don't attack the guy. What does he owe you? Did he take something from you?

Please, people, show some basic humanity.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 05, 2015, 10:14:26 PM
I have not been following this whole thread, so maybe this has been said already, but....

I find the entire nature of this discussion really outrageous and fowl. When you type letters and press "post" do you think about the human being who is reading them at the other end? It is poshut so cruel and nasty, and it hurts just to read. Forget about hakoras hatov, just don't attack the guy. What does he owe you? Did he take something from you?

Please, people, show some basic humanity.
I agree with everything you said, except that I think the discussion is foul.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Freddie on February 05, 2015, 10:21:11 PM
I agree with everything you said, except that I think the discussion is foul.

Spell check doesn't work for homophones.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 05, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
I agree with everything you said, except that I think the discussion is foul.
Hiding behind Internet anonymity is chicken, too.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Freddie on February 05, 2015, 10:23:02 PM
Hiding behind Internet anonymity is chicken, too.

Exactly what I meant.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: lubaby on February 05, 2015, 11:31:55 PM
Dvar Torah for this Shabbos:

Why did Yisro have 7 names?
Because he had 7 daughters. Every time he married one off, he took out a mortgage under a different name.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: meshugener on February 06, 2015, 02:37:55 AM
You might see others come out of retirement for these idiots.
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: yakrot on February 06, 2015, 02:40:59 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.
+1
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 06, 2015, 02:46:03 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.
Welcome back.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: D93 on February 06, 2015, 02:51:43 AM
You might see others come out of retirement for these idiots.
+1

PAGING CV - Your Turn!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ilherman on February 06, 2015, 02:56:30 AM
LOL!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 06, 2015, 03:04:38 AM
That would feel like Old-Timers' Day.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Emkay on February 06, 2015, 03:06:41 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.
Most thought out and rationale post in this thread
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: lyla on February 06, 2015, 03:08:36 AM
Welcome back Mesh! I'm glad u are ok.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2015, 04:29:44 AM


PAGING CV - Your Turn!  ;) ;)
I would rather see HM. That guy had a chip on his shoulder.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2015, 04:31:17 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.
Young grasshopper he is no more!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: lunatic on February 06, 2015, 06:12:45 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.

Wow,  this insanity brought him back.... We ought to be doing it more often
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 06, 2015, 07:10:35 AM
Young grasshopper he is no more!
That's probably the best compliment coming from you...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: chucksterace on February 06, 2015, 09:05:44 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.

Which room in the Mushroom Lounge is the standing ovation going to be in?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: chilzech on February 06, 2015, 10:15:26 AM
@Allthehaters Find me 1 guy who even responds (let alone nicely) to all the nudnik Q's on the website and forums then you can start hocking.

Btw ayin Sifsei Chayim on pesach regarding hakaras hatov where he talks about this weeks parsha and proves from Moshe that HH is even if the giver has ONLY himself in mind i.e. Yisro, there is still a chiyuv of HH so as not to become a taker rather to give something back.
See also hakdmkah to Shav Shmaytsa in the first few paragraphs.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 06, 2015, 10:17:27 AM
Most thought out and rationale post in this thread
Now THAT's saying something
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on February 06, 2015, 10:29:40 AM
That's probably the best compliment coming from you...
Master: Close your eyes. What do you hear?
Mesh: I hear the water, I hear the birds.
Master: Do you hear your own heartbeat?
Mesh: No.
Master: Do you hear the grasshopper which is at your feet?
Mesh: Old man, how is it that you hear these things?
Master: Young man, how is it that you do not?

The student becomes the Master!
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Dan on February 06, 2015, 10:30:02 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.

Maybe you're not so crazy after all ;)
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: rots5 on February 06, 2015, 10:38:23 AM
+1

I couldn't resist.

I believe I did trouble to Dan more than anyone else on this forum (and I'm quite proud of that - that makes me outstanding), but I still have my greatest appreciation to this man.

I can say he literally shaped my life the way I'm now head to toe into this hobby.

Its not only the advice, but the encouragement I got from networking on DDF which forced me to push the limits and earn more than the average US salary just by messing around in this game.
Not to count all the aspirational trips in first class & luxurious hotels.

Thank you Dan!

As much as it annoys me the Amazon gold box deals (and OMFG, after a few days we really needed that gold box deal ROUNDUP) I understand he has all the right to do whatever he wants.

It's his farm and we're picking apples from his trees.
You don't like the way he planned the trees? Get the hell outta here and pay at the grocery.

Again, thank you Dan for hosting us in this place and giving us all these wonderful opportunities!

Thank you so much!



P.S.
In light of the recent idiocy, we'll have a standing ovation for Dan tomorrow at noon.
Is that before shachris or the mik?

Great stuf Brah, i must say.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: chucksterace on February 06, 2015, 10:39:38 AM
So I feel I should read this thread. Lets save it to my computer to read on the plane. Would make great plane material
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: TimT on February 06, 2015, 10:42:37 AM
So I feel I should read this thread. Lets save it to my computer to read on the plane. Would make great plane material
If it's still around.
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: etech0 on February 06, 2015, 10:45:30 AM
If it's still around.
Hence
Lets save it to my computer
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 06, 2015, 11:34:25 AM
I'm having a lot of fun with this wiki... ;D
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Super Speed on February 06, 2015, 11:38:05 AM
Did anyone even bother to mention in the wiki that DD is a business?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 06, 2015, 11:41:09 AM
Did anyone even bother to mention in the wiki that DD is a business?
The wiki is only for established fact. No speculations...
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Super Speed on February 06, 2015, 11:43:21 AM
The wiki is only for established fact. No speculations...
Didn't some guy establish that at least 100X throughout this thread?
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: JayR on February 07, 2015, 10:19:27 PM
The student becomes the Master!
Mesh was able to snatch the pebble??
POIDH  :P
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: BISPRO on February 09, 2015, 12:42:13 PM
TL:DR
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Mordyk on February 09, 2015, 12:43:14 PM
TL:DR
??? ???

ETA:  got it :D
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: BISPRO on February 09, 2015, 12:44:45 PM
??? ???
LMGTFY
Title: Re: Consumer Advocate Attacks Credit Card/Points Blogs
Post by: Joe4007 on February 09, 2015, 12:45:31 PM
LMGTFYGIYF
FTFY :D