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Title: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: BBPAPA on September 18, 2015, 02:37:33 PM
Looking for good suggestions on building a sukkah shlock.
I currently use tarps  but takes a long time to adjust.

pics would be helpful
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ShlockDoc on September 18, 2015, 02:41:16 PM
Looking for good suggestions on building a sukkah shlock.
I currently use tarps  but takes a long time to adjust.

pics would be helpful

What's a sukkah shlock?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yakrot on September 18, 2015, 02:49:58 PM
What's a sukkah shlock?
An awning of sorts that can be pulled over the succah in the event of rain
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: username on September 18, 2015, 05:03:54 PM
What's a sukkah shlock?
Simmilar to a doc shlock, but its for a sukkah.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 18, 2015, 05:23:51 PM
What's a sukkah shlock?
If you don't know then we are in big trouble.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: blerbz on September 19, 2015, 09:21:30 PM
Boy very realistic but What do you think about super strong fans (may need to be jet engine strong)  that blows the rain away just above your sukkah. This way you don't even need a shlock and even if it's raining you can sit in your kosher sukkah.
Any thoughts? Halachic or otherwise?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: username on September 19, 2015, 10:20:23 PM
Boy very realistic but What do you think about super strong fans (may need to be jet engine strong)  that blows the rain away just above your sukkah. This way you don't even need a shlock and even if it's raining you can sit in your kosher sukkah.
Any thoughts? Halachic or otherwise?
Make sure that your schach is omed bruach mitzuya. And that your yarmulka/shaitel is clipped on well. And that you have no neighbors.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Ydad on September 19, 2015, 10:25:36 PM
Boy very realistic but What do you think about super strong fans (may need to be jet engine strong)  that blows the rain away just above your sukkah. This way you don't even need a shlock and even if it's raining you can sit in your kosher sukkah.
Any thoughts? Halachic or otherwise?
Was this supposed to be humorous? Cause I found that pretty funny...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: grodnoking on September 19, 2015, 10:29:26 PM
Was this supposed to be humorous? Cause I found that pretty funny...
I thought off that too. And

Make sure that your schach is omed bruach mitzuya. And that your yarmulka/shaitel is clipped on well.

Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 19, 2015, 10:34:26 PM
Boy very realistic but What do you think about super strong fans (may need to be jet engine strong)  that blows the rain away just above your sukkah. This way you don't even need a shlock and even if it's raining you can sit in your kosher sukkah.
Any thoughts? Halachic or otherwise?
I'll leave Halachic to those more qualified but from an engineering perspective you'll have an easier time with a cover.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: BBPAPA on September 20, 2015, 06:44:57 PM
Looking for good suggestions on building a sukkah shlock.
I currently use tarps  but takes a long time to adjust.

pics would be helpful

I "was"  hoping there might be some viable suggestions   :P

Still keeping the faith
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 20, 2015, 07:02:09 PM
At home we have a tarp with pieces of wood every couple of inches on each piece of wood a big curtain type metal ring is attached on both ends each side then gets put through a long pole that connects to the wall placed higher then the other so when it gets spread out and rain lands on it the rain streams down in mini troughs between each piece of wood. Open and close via pulley system. I will try getting some pictures to make the description more understandable
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 07:03:55 PM
At home we have a tarp with pieces of wood every couple of inches on each piece of wood a big curtain type metal ring is attached on both ends each side then gets put through a long pole that connects to the wall placed higher then the other so when it gets spread out and rain lands on it the rain streams down in mini troughs between each piece of wood. Open and close via pulley system. I will try getting some pictures to make the description more understandable
Would love to see pics.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 20, 2015, 07:04:57 PM

Would love to see pics.
Was it completely not understandable or do you just want the pictures?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on September 20, 2015, 07:06:13 PM
Was it completely not understandable or do you just want the pictures?
Would just like to see pics.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 20, 2015, 07:19:41 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/0a5465e5c4f5060c3f23fbbd6bb45150.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/f1045fcf4a90648a05d2ab3e4fb65533.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/a45a6d9a12a9db5ba539fc69eac8ece1.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/388c0ab89e3ac63b7745cc56afc84c2a.jpg)

Forgot to mention, the way we connect the wood to the tarp is by sandwiching it between two pieces of wood and nailing them together, puts way less stress on the tarp.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: cholent on September 20, 2015, 08:54:43 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/0a5465e5c4f5060c3f23fbbd6bb45150.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/f1045fcf4a90648a05d2ab3e4fb65533.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/a45a6d9a12a9db5ba539fc69eac8ece1.jpg)(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/20/388c0ab89e3ac63b7745cc56afc84c2a.jpg)

Forgot to mention, the way we connect the wood to the tarp is by sandwiching it between two pieces of wood and nailing them together, puts way less stress on the tarp.
That looks great! I assume you save it year to year?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 20, 2015, 09:38:38 PM





Look shlak, like!
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 20, 2015, 09:50:00 PM
That looks great! I assume you save it year to year?
Yes, barely takes space and rarely needs any maintenance...also very easy to open and close my 7 year old sister does it.
Look shlak, like!

:) thanks
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: blerbz on September 21, 2015, 11:26:47 AM
Yes, barely takes space and rarely needs any maintenance...also very easy to open and close my 7 year old sister does it. :) thanks
Pics of opening system?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: blerbz on September 21, 2015, 11:30:35 AM
I'll leave Halachic to those more qualified but from an engineering perspective you'll have an easier time with a cover.
But the point of my mostly humorous but slightly serious idea is that it solves the rain problem particularly for the first night. You have a kosher sukkah even when it's raining.
Also if you have a very narrow sukkah the fans need not be that strong as it just needs to bend/move the rain say 3 or 4 feet which may be possible with regular strong consumer fans like maybe a box fan
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: blerbz on September 21, 2015, 11:36:04 AM
I have given up on shlocks but in the past I've used those light fiberglass/plastic panels screwed to a wooden frame that rests on the far side of the sukkah and the side close to the house is attached 2 feet or so above the schach (to allow for runoff). The far side has a rope tied to each end which is then attached to a pulley located on the house but by the second floor or higher with the rope then dropping down to ground level. Then you can pull up the shlock like a drawbridge and have a tie down metal thingy attached to the house at ground level so you can raise and lower it with two people inside the sukkah pulling on the ropes
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: blerbz on September 21, 2015, 11:37:15 AM
And when it's up you just hold it there by tying it to the things attached to the house
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: username on September 21, 2015, 11:40:28 AM
But the point of my mostly humorous but slightly serious idea is that it solves the rain problem particularly for the first night. You have a kosher sukkah even when it's raining.
Also if you have a very narrow sukkah the fans need not be that strong as it just needs to bend/move the rain say 3 or 4 feet which may be possible with regular strong consumer fans like maybe a box fan
https://www.reddit.com/r/CrazyIdeas/comments/3de3vp/a_big_aircraft_with_a_huge_fan_to_blow_rainy/
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 21, 2015, 12:36:56 PM
And when it's up you just hold it there by tying it to the things attached to the house
Yup
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: cholent on September 21, 2015, 12:50:12 PM
Pics of opening system?

+1, I'd love to see that. And if you could give some detail on how that part was set up... the actual shlock I think I get and could put together based on your photos
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 21, 2015, 01:22:21 PM
I have given up on shlocks but in the past I've used those light fiberglass/plastic panels screwed to a wooden frame that rests on the far side of the sukkah and the side close to the house is attached 2 feet or so above the schach (to allow for runoff). The far side has a rope tied to each end which is then attached to a pulley located on the house but by the second floor or higher with the rope then dropping down to ground level. Then you can pull up the shlock like a drawbridge and have a tie down metal thingy attached to the house at ground level so you can raise and lower it with two people inside the sukkah pulling on the ropes
That was our original system, once we moved it was not doable against the house and free standing was too big, would shake the entire succah - our current system is very very good, on years that we get a lot of rain we sometimes have to push the tarp up from the inside if the water collects but if you pull the tarp taut not so much of an issue.
+1, I'd love to see that. And if you could give some detail on how that part was set up... the actual shlock I think I get and could put together based on your photos
I will try to get some pictures and possibly a video of it in action.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 21, 2015, 01:51:54 PM

Pics of opening system?
To retract the shlack.
Two strings connected to the wood farthest away from the wall goes to two single pulleys on the wall they connect to a double pulley in the center of the wall.
To extend the shlack.
String to the farthest piece from the wall long enough to reach over the succah even when retracted. Release whatever is holding the string on the inside and  pull the string on the outside to open.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: BBPAPA on September 22, 2015, 08:23:14 AM
To retract the shlack.
Two strings connected to the wood farthest away from the wall goes to two single pulleys on the wall they connect to a double pulley in the center of the wall.
To extend the shlack.
String to the farthest piece from the wall long enough to reach over the succah even when retracted. Release whatever is holding the string on the inside and  pull the string on the outside to open.

A video in action would be great

Where did you get those long metal poles? How long are they-

How do you stabilize them to prevent from falling into the Sukkah?  Love the concept!
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 22, 2015, 08:43:34 AM
Disclaimer - I just had a discussion with my father and he said
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I am not sure that I recommend it. I am thinking of improvements. It doesn't have lasting power. And too complicated to fix when broken.

We've had it for at least 4 years already, apparently this year the tarp ripped in a few places and one of the pieces of wood snapped. I doubt we'll invent anything different this year though. 

Iirc the poles are the same ones used on a fence we connected two of them together using a rivet. I imagine it's around 14 feet long.

This is how it's held on the other side.
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/22/8d60bc5b305be6bd8699674b3a47fbdd.jpg)
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitrap on September 22, 2015, 08:45:26 AM
Looking at the picture I remember we have a pull on the other side as well because it extends past the succah the string then gets sent back into the succah making it a very taut tarp, I'll try getting a video after yk
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 25, 2015, 12:23:40 PM
Looks like we're going to need one this year.  :'(

Some here will be needing their rain coats and galoshes - Good luck w that!
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: good sam on September 26, 2017, 07:44:31 PM
What are options for canvas sukkah?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: moko on September 13, 2018, 09:53:45 PM
I'm considering placing my schach support beams on an angle and just letting the shlock roll up and down the stairs. It would seem to give a tarp shlock considerably more support and avoid sagging. Has anyone ever tried this? Also, if I place the schach mats on a slope and put several layers of schach, shouldn't that keep all but the strongest rains out? Presumably the rain will just roll down the schach.... thoughts?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: rs242 on September 14, 2018, 12:22:03 AM
Ok I have to ask
What is it with Ashkenazim and there schlock? Why canít u just leave when itís raining and come out with a towel when it stops
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitzgar on September 14, 2018, 12:23:42 AM
Ok I have to ask
What is it with Ashkenazim and there schlock? Why canít u just leave when itís raining and come out with a towel when it stops
Problem is when it stops raining but schach is still dripping. Also, this way you can leave things out without worrying.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: rs242 on September 14, 2018, 12:24:51 AM
Problem is when it stops raining but schach is still dripping. Also, this way you can leave things out without worrying.
I agree itís convenient to have but is it really worth the all the time and money that is put into it.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitzgar on September 14, 2018, 12:29:01 AM
I agree itís convenient to have but is it really worth the all the time and money that is put into it.
That is an entirely different question
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: justaregularguy on September 14, 2018, 12:30:54 AM
I'm considering placing my schach support beams on an angle and just letting the shlock roll up and down the stairs. It would seem to give a tarp shlock considerably more support and avoid sagging. Has anyone ever tried this? Also, if I place the schach mats on a slope and put several layers of schach, shouldn't that keep all but the strongest rains out? Presumably the rain will just roll down the schach.... thoughts?
you really think it would roll off? :o I feel like they drip inside no matter what...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: yitzgar on September 14, 2018, 12:32:32 AM
I'm considering placing my schach support beams on an angle and just letting the shlock roll up and down the stairs. It would seem to give a tarp shlock considerably more support and avoid sagging. Has anyone ever tried this? Also, if I place the schach mats on a slope and put several layers of schach, shouldn't that keep all but the strongest rains out? Presumably the rain will just roll down the schach.... thoughts?
Make sure the schach is tied down so it doesn't slide down
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Zevi16 on September 14, 2018, 01:58:09 AM
I agree itís convenient to have but is it really worth the all the time and money that is put into it.
Absolutely. For some people they use that as their main room. Many times itís a lot more roomy for all the married kids than their regular dining room.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: moko on September 14, 2018, 03:16:14 AM
Absolutely. For some people they use that as their main room. Many times itís a lot more roomy for all the married kids than their regular dining room.
in my regular dining room/ kitchen I can fit about 8 people. In my sukkah I can fit at least 30
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yammer on September 14, 2018, 03:29:34 AM
I agree itís convenient to have but is it really worth the all the time and money that is put into it.
+

I've built one the last 2 years and are going to forgo on one this year. Waay too much work and time
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: doodle on September 14, 2018, 06:14:58 AM
Ok I have to ask
What is it with Ashkenazim and there schlock? Why canít u just leave when itís raining and come out with a towel when it stops
Because.. in middle eastern countries, where the Sefardim come from, it rarely rains on Sukkos ( think Israel..  )
However in Europe , were Ashkenazim originate, It rains on Sukkos.. 
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 10:47:32 AM


I'm considering placing my schach support beams on an angle and just letting the shlock roll up and down the stairs. It would seem to give a tarp shlock considerably more support and avoid sagging. Has anyone ever tried this? Also, if I place the schach mats on a slope and put several layers of schach, shouldn't that keep all but the strongest rains out? Presumably the rain will just roll down the schach.... thoughts?

I'm not sure if I.understand you correctly, here's what I do and you can see if it helps.
I have all my succa walls on a slant (which means the schach beams and schach is as well.) This allows the water to flow down the succa (I'm obviously talking with a tarp.) I don't use the incline to role the tarp up and down, so there's no need for a crazy slope, a good few inches throughout the succa is plenty. I wouldn't advise a big slant as I find it allows the wind to come under, and the schach to bunch etc unless your willing to tie down in which case I have no experience. Just remember, for water to flow and not bunch up in one place, there's a need for a slight slant, hard surface (the schach in my case) and most of all a tight tight tarp.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 10:50:19 AM
+

I've built one the last 2 years and are going to forgo on one this year. Waay too much work and time
The time is annoying but after a few tries, I have found what works and now takes less then an hour to put up. Personally that's worth it.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yammer on September 14, 2018, 10:53:25 AM
The time is annoying but after a few tries, I have found what works and now takes less then an hour to put up. Personally that's worth it.
Probably depends on the size of the sukkah... Mine is an 8x20
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yammer on September 14, 2018, 10:53:44 AM
Because.. in middle eastern countries, where the Sefardim come from, it rarely rains on Sukkos ( think Israel..  )
However in Europe , were Ashkenazim originate, It rains on Sukkos..
Your probably right
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
Probably depends on the size of the sukkah... Mine is an 8x20
Mine is 10x24
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yammer on September 14, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
Mine is 10x24
Wow.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
Wow.
It's not so crazy. I just role the tarp the shorter way... Makes things much simpler.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yammer on September 14, 2018, 11:32:22 AM
It's not so crazy. I just role the tarp the shorter way... Makes things much simpler.
Aha, mine is in the width, and the pipe itself is a whole sugya
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 11:33:34 AM
Aha, mine is in the width, and the pipe itself is a whole sugya
Change it. Def worth it.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ExGingi on September 14, 2018, 11:41:23 AM
It's not so crazy. I just role the tarp the shorter way... Makes things much simpler.

But if the Sukkah is 19x22, there's not much of a shorter way.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 11:54:51 AM
But if the Sukkah is 19x22, there's not much of a shorter way.
Build a new sukka... Jk
Yea your right. You would need a slightly larger incline, and some support to make sure it roles properly.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ExGingi on September 14, 2018, 12:00:27 PM
Build a new sukka... Jk
Yea your right. You would need a slightly larger incline, and some support to make sure it roles properly.

Or just forgo the whole thing, until I can figure out something.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 12:02:33 PM
Or just forgo the whole thing, until I can figure out something.
Figuring out doesn't come from forgoing it... It's trial and error.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ExGingi on September 14, 2018, 12:32:03 PM
Figuring out doesn't come from forgoing it... It's trial and error.

Not worth the effort at this point in my life. Don't forget that for me it's only something to be used when the Sukkah is not in use.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: moko on September 14, 2018, 01:16:23 PM
Mine is 10x24
I'm looking at 13x22. 3 walls are built in
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2018, 05:18:11 PM
I'm looking at 13x22. 3 walls are built in
Much better! 10 is a little skinny for a table... It's just just making it.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: justaregularguy on September 15, 2018, 10:14:53 PM
Not worth the effort at this point in my life. Don't forget that for me it's only something to be used when the Sukkah is not in use.
ya I was gonna ask why you even have a schlock...(judging by ur avatar that is)
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 14, 2020, 09:02:16 PM
Hi all,
I am trying to make my Shlock for the first time, just some amateur questions.
How thick should my PVC pipe be?
How much of a pitch/slant do my 2x4s need to be?
TIA!
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yo ssi on September 14, 2020, 09:48:36 PM
Hi all,
I am trying to make my Shlock for the first time, just some amateur questions.
How thick should my PVC pipe be?
How much of a pitch/slant do my 2x4s need to be?
TIA!

I'm not sure if I.understand you correctly, here's what I do and you can see if it helps.
I have all my succa walls on a slant (which means the schach beams and schach is as well.) This allows the water to flow down the succa (I'm obviously talking with a tarp.) I don't use the incline to role the tarp up and down, so there's no need for a crazy slope, a good few inches throughout the succa is plenty. I wouldn't advise a big slant as I find it allows the wind to come under, and the schach to bunch etc unless your willing to tie down in which case I have no experience. Just remember, for water to flow and not bunch up in one place, there's a need for a slight slant, hard surface (the schach in my case) and most of all a tight tight tarp.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 14, 2020, 09:51:56 PM

Thanks was in middle of writing something up... Forgot I wrote that. Lol only thing I would add is if it's not possible for you to do a string both ways, and relying on the slant to role one way is needed,  a u will need a good slant
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 15, 2020, 10:58:17 AM
I did last year just a tarp (as tight as possible) but no slant and the water built up, when I came home after a day of rain there was a 2ft deep puddle of water which I had to shovel out.
My neighbor did the same thing but did not come home on time... his whole 2x4s and Schach snapped in half and broke some panels. he had to redo the whole Sukkah!
That's why I don't want a redo of that I want to a little more professional is the pully/tarp/pvc on slanted 2x4 a very big job?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: ejb123 on September 15, 2020, 11:00:58 AM
I did last year just a tarp (as tight as possible) but no slant and the water built up, when I came home after a day of rain there was a 2ft deep puddle of water which I had to shovel out.
My neighbor did the same thing but did not come home on time... his whole 2x4s and Schach snapped in half and broke some panels. he had to redo the whole Sukkah!
That's why I don't want a redo of that I want to a little more professional is the pully/tarp/pvc on slanted 2x4 a very big job?

You will need a pitch - ideally the schach will also be slanted so that the tarp lies on the pitched schach otherwise the pooling will occur.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 15, 2020, 01:15:37 PM
You will need a pitch - ideally the schach will also be slanted so that the tarp lies on the pitched schach otherwise the pooling will occur.
So even a slight pitch of let's say 6" for the entire 12' is good and I wouldn't need the whole 2x4 and pipe thingy?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: aygart on September 15, 2020, 01:26:21 PM
So even a slight pitch of let's say 6" for the entire 12' is good and I wouldn't need the whole 2x4 and pipe thingy?

You would still need it to KEEP the pitch. You would also need a way to ensure the tarp is taut.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 15, 2020, 03:35:23 PM
You would still need it to KEEP the pitch. You would also need a way to ensure the tarp is taut.
My understanding @ejb123 and @Josef.koney disagree, they think you don't need PVC etc, unless I misunderstood 
You will need a pitch - ideally the schach will also be slanted so that the tarp lies on the pitched schach otherwise the pooling will occur.
Thanks was in middle of writing something up... Forgot I wrote that. Lol only thing I would add is if it's not possible for you to do a string both ways, and relying on the slant to role one way is needed,  a u will need a good slant
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: aygart on September 15, 2020, 03:50:43 PM
My understanding @ejb123 and @Josef.koney disagree, they think you don't need PVC etc, unless I misunderstood 
If the schach itself is pitched that can work but not so easy to do.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 15, 2020, 04:34:42 PM
I did last year just a tarp (as tight as possible) but no slant and the water built up, when I came home after a day of rain there was a 2ft deep puddle of water which I had to shovel out.
My neighbor did the same thing but did not come home on time... his whole 2x4s and Schach snapped in half and broke some panels. he had to redo the whole Sukkah!
That's why I don't want a redo of that I want to a little more professional is the pully/tarp/pvc on slanted 2x4 a very big job?
With the pvc (aka way to role from inside the succa) or without pvc, u always need a slant, that's a given.
The pulley system is just about making it easier durring yom tov (and not getting wet...)
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 15, 2020, 04:39:19 PM
My understanding @ejb123 and @Josef.koney disagree, they think you don't need PVC etc, unless I misunderstood
I'm not totally understanding this, I use a pvc.
The pvc is just to allow the tarp to role. If you want to go outside and do it urself, go ahead...
As for the slant, there def needs a slant and having some kind of ledge/track for the tarp to be on is a good idea. The 2 ways to make the slant is either have the succa boards made on a slant (little more difficult, but no wind problems, no support problems etc.) Or to have your succa boards straight and just have a track that's on a slant.
I hope I'm being clear...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 16, 2020, 11:30:09 AM
I'm not totally understanding this, I use a pvc.
The pvc is just to allow the tarp to role. If you want to go outside and do it urself, go ahead...
As for the slant, there def needs a slant and having some kind of ledge/track for the tarp to be on is a good idea. The 2 ways to make the slant is either have the succa boards made on a slant (little more difficult, but no wind problems, no support problems etc.) Or to have your succa boards straight and just have a track that's on a slant.
I hope I'm being clear...
Very Clear, Thank you very much!
How thick should my PVC pipe be 6"?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 16, 2020, 11:25:10 PM
Very Clear, Thank you very much!
How thick should my PVC pipe be 6"?
Iirc HD has 2 sizes, (they are white and have some holes throughout the pipe..) get the bigger size. Get covers for the end so animals don't enjoy the space...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: moko on September 17, 2020, 05:11:40 AM
Iirc HD has 2 sizes, (they are white and have some holes throughout the pipe..) get the bigger size. Get covers for the end so animals don't enjoy the space...
HD has alot more than two sizes.....
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 17, 2020, 03:14:08 PM
HD has alot more than two sizes.....
Then things changed from when I bought it... (Makes sense ...)
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: moko on September 17, 2020, 07:48:28 PM
One simple model I've seen work for medium size sukkas (10*12), standard tarp fixed on one side and rolled on a pipe across the schach (flat). Then pull it tight using bungie cords. Then use a paint roller extension rod with a rubber foot on end and a tennis ball on the other to prop up the already taut tarp to creat a slope.
This has worked successfully for several years and I intend to try it this year on a much larger sukka (16*16).
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Definitions on September 17, 2020, 09:55:09 PM
One simple model I've seen work for medium size sukkas (10*12), standard tarp fixed on one side and rolled on a pipe across the schach (flat). Then pull it tight using bungie cords. Then use a paint roller extension rod with a rubber foot on end and a tennis ball on the other to prop up the already taut tarp to creat a slope.
This has worked successfully for several years and I intend to try it this year on a much larger sukka (16*16).
How do you roll it up
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: moko on September 17, 2020, 10:11:24 PM
How do you roll it up
elbow grease? By hand....
On a related note....some interesting ideas to copy here....
https://www.alcocovers.com/dumpster-covers/

I'm particularly intrigued with the giant wheel method as a means to roll it manually without a chair or ladder
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Definitions on September 17, 2020, 10:21:34 PM
elbow grease? By hand....
On a related note....some interesting ideas to copy here....
https://www.alcocovers.com/dumpster-covers/

I'm particularly intrigued with the giant wheel method as a means to roll it manually without a chair or ladder
Interesting idea but won't be good for me. My sukkah isn't freestanding in middle of someplace. It's on a porch against a wall.

We never had a schlok but since this thread got bumped I'm starting to think about it.

Preferably I'd want a gear with a chain that spins a pvc pipe (like some window shades). But I think that's too complicated for now. Then I was thinking of different ways how to do it with strings.

I still didn't come out with a solid plan
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 17, 2020, 11:38:05 PM
One simple model I've seen work for medium size sukkas (10*12), standard tarp fixed on one side and rolled on a pipe across the schach (flat). Then pull it tight using bungie cords. Then use a paint roller extension rod with a rubber foot on end and a tennis ball on the other to prop up the already taut tarp to creat a slope.
This has worked successfully for several years and I intend to try it this year on a much larger sukka (16*16).
As a kid we did similar... Just used a 2x4 instead of pvc, and our walls were a slant so no need for the beam but that's a great idea!
However then we made our succa the size of the full porch, and doing it manually wouldn't work anymore...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 17, 2020, 11:49:25 PM
Interesting idea but won't be good for me. My sukkah isn't freestanding in middle of someplace. It's on a porch against a wall.

We never had a schlok but since this thread got bumped I'm starting to think about it.

Preferably I'd want a gear with a chain that spins a pvc pipe (like some window shades). But I think that's too complicated for now. Then I was thinking of different ways how to do it with strings.

I still didn't come out with a solid plan
Nothing's solid however what I have done works quite well. (you could look up thread for my posts... )

Basically the idea is using a thick tarp on a pvc pipe, slight slant. Having one rope (or more for bigger succos) that's rolled up with the tarp; and then comes into succa from (for example) the north side. And then another rope that goes from the south side, under the pvc (and tarp) and comes over and back into the succa (back at the south side)
If you do it right, the south rope will role the tarp up, and the north rope with open it up.

If your actually gonna do it, lmk I could try to guide you more... Just no need to write it all out if you feel it's too complicated...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Definitions on September 18, 2020, 12:05:07 AM
Nothing's solid however what I have done works quite well. (you could look up thread for my posts... )

Basically the idea is using a thick tarp on a pvc pipe, slight slant. Having one rope (or more for bigger succos) that's rolled up with the tarp; and then comes into succa from (for example) the north side. And then another rope that goes from the south side, under the pvc (and tarp) and comes over and back into the succa (back at the south side)
If you do it right, the south rope will role the tarp up, and the north rope with open it up.

If your actually gonna do it, lmk I could try to guide you more... Just no need to write it all out if you feel it's too complicated...
I'm not visualizing what your saying perfectly, but I think that's one of the ideas I had in mind.
In your example which side is the raised side? Which side does the shlok sit on when rolled up? North or south

Correct me if I misunderstood. Your shlok is sitting on the raised side when it's rolled up.

I was thinking of putting the rolled up shlok on the lower side that way I only need one string to unroll it and letting gravity roll it back up by releasing the string and it will roll back up with the shlok.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 21, 2020, 07:35:22 AM
I'm not visualizing what your saying perfectly, but I think that's one of the ideas I had in mind.
In your example which side is the raised side? Which side does the shlok sit on when rolled up? North or south

Correct me if I misunderstood. Your shlok is sitting on the raised side when it's rolled up.

I was thinking of putting the rolled up shlok on the lower side that way I only need one string to unroll it and letting gravity roll it back up by releasing the string and it will roll back up with the shlok.
When rolled up i personally have it on the south side (and it's the lower side as well) with this system it really can be done either way truthfully.
The reason I have it this way is because I want the shlock rolling up (opening) away from the succa so all extra water thats on the tarp with flow off the succa and not into it. (I have the succa on a deck, so the north side is a house-and the pvc can't be rolled past the succa)

The second idea you mentioned, is what many people do, I personally don't like it because the slant must be much steeper, in contrast having another string isn't such a big deal.
That being said, I've never done the other way personally, so I can't tell you if it's better or not.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 22, 2020, 04:53:53 PM
Now does Home Depot sell 16' long PVC pipe and if yes how can I schlep it home?
Can I get 2 smallers and connect?
Probably not.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Yo ssi on September 22, 2020, 05:09:06 PM
Now does Home Depot sell 16' long PVC pipe and if yes how can I schlep it home?
Can I get 2 smallers and connect?
Probably not.
If you have the answer why ask?
It makes it a difficult read.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Josef.koney on September 22, 2020, 07:03:25 PM
Now does Home Depot sell 16' long PVC pipe and if yes how can I schlep it home?
Can I get 2 smallers and connect?
Probably not.
I just keep the trunk open and tie it down... (Unless it's a really long drive...
Why wouldn't you be able to connect 2 smaller ones?
They have a fatter and skinnier side so they can slide into each other.
If you have the answer why ask?
It makes it a difficult read.
Lol he was having a convo in his mind and decided to let us in on it...
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 22, 2020, 08:31:32 PM
If you have the answer why ask?
It makes it a difficult read.
Sorry..?
I was just thinking out loud and trying to get people with experience chime in.
I actually just came back from Home Depot and they don't even have PVC pipes longer than 10'
This type of thing somebody with experience would be able to help me.
I just keep the trunk open and tie it down... (Unless it's a really long drive...
Why wouldn't you be able to connect 2 smaller ones?
They have a fatter and skinnier side so they can slide into each other. Lol he was having a convo in his mind and decided to let us in on it...

Thanks!
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: am7734 on September 22, 2020, 10:37:03 PM
Sorry..?
I was just thinking out loud and trying to get people with experience chime in.
I actually just came back from Home Depot and they don't even have PVC pipes longer than 10'
This type of thing somebody with experience would be able to help me.Thanks!
PVC is very easy to work with and of course you can get 2 smaller pipes and connect them using a coupling. Use pvc primer and glue if you want to make that connection permanent.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: shie123 on September 23, 2020, 01:29:28 PM
PVC is very easy to work with and of course you can get 2 smaller pipes and connect them using a coupling. Use pvc primer and glue if you want to make that connection permanent.
Thank you very much that was my next option, but I ended up ordering from a local Jewish plumbing supply warehouse.
Probably paid a little more but it was delivered to my door $50 for a 4" diameter 20' long.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Danlover111 on September 23, 2020, 04:54:43 PM
Thank you very much that was my next option, but I ended up ordering from a local Jewish plumbing supply warehouse.
Probably paid a little more but it was delivered to my door $50 for a 4" diameter 20' long.
In my experience 4 inch pipes don't work well, 2" pipes work much better .
I got 2  2" pipes and 1 1 and half inch pipe and connected them works amazing.
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: elazarmn on September 23, 2020, 06:22:52 PM
Anyone know how they make those pully system shlock that you see all over boro park and alot of other chassidish areas?
Title: Re: building a sukkah shlock
Post by: Definitions on September 23, 2020, 07:26:13 PM
In my experience 4 inch pipes don't work well, 2" pipes work much better .
I got 2  2" pipes and 1 1 and half inch pipe and connected them works amazing.
What's wrong with the 4"?