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Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on November 17, 2015, 06:14:49 PM
things are starting to heat up in the GOP with real policy differences between candidates more noticeable these days.

 One very interesting move that Cruz said was that he would abolish the IRS if he wins. bold statement but I doubt he'll ever be able to do that.
Have an opinion? share it here. :)

whoever you voted for, explain why in a couple of sentences.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 17, 2015, 06:41:27 PM
things are starting to heat up in the GOP with real policy differences between candidates more noticeable these days.

 One very interesting move that Cruz said was that he would abolish the IRS if he wins. bold statement but I doubt he'll ever be able to do that.
Have an opinion? share it here. :)

whoever you voted for, explain why in a couple of sentences.

I'm def not in favor of abolishing IRS. I'd vote for whoever would pass lots of tax laws. Preferably without considering them in advance, such as the new partnership audit rules.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ydf on November 17, 2015, 09:54:16 PM
if bush is against him im for him #marco rubio
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on November 17, 2015, 11:14:50 PM
I'm def not in favor of abolishing IRS. I'd vote for whoever would pass lots of tax laws. Preferably without considering them in advance, such as the new partnership audit rules.
Spoken like a tax lawyer
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on November 17, 2015, 11:49:47 PM
Spoken like a tax lawyer
good point. what would happen to all our lawyers and accountants if theres no tax code?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on November 18, 2015, 01:10:43 AM
Is there any way of giving a negative vote? Like for Ben Carson or for Kasich etc.  :P


I'm just wondering what would happen if someone were to meet each of the candidates (individually) randomly on the street and challenge them by saying "I'm an illegal immigrant to the US, what were you to do to me now had you been president?".  ;D
The same goes for Obama. There are many clips of him just randomly mingling into crowds unannounced. I wonder what would happen if someone were to then mention the above statement/question.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on November 19, 2015, 12:33:26 AM
if you don't think walls work-ask isreal. -Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 19, 2015, 08:33:50 AM
good point. what would happen to all our lawyers and accountants if theres no tax code?

Well, if there were no taxes at all, I'd be out of business. But if there was a simplified tax code, my business would be booming as we'd be re-inventing every tax shelter again, and then being shut down by the courts as lacking "economic substance" or something the courts would make up like that, and then reinventing the next generation of tax shelters. Only it'd be easier since we could just go read old caselaw to find out what to do.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: avremie on November 19, 2015, 06:10:17 PM
The only way you abolish IRS is with a flat tax (even then how do you deal tax exempt?) And that will never happen.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on November 19, 2015, 06:27:15 PM
Honestly how do they even propose this with a straight face? How many pages of tax code would you even need to define earned income?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 19, 2015, 07:26:31 PM
The only way you abolish IRS is with a flat tax (even then how do you deal tax exempt?) And that will never happen.

Flat tax is a scam. What about corporations? Partnerships? Already have enough complexity to keep me in business. I can tell you I don't spend my time figuring out how to deduct mortgage payments.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on November 19, 2015, 07:35:57 PM
Consumption tax.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 19, 2015, 08:47:32 PM
Consumption tax.

Fair enough. If you don't tax income, only spending, the system can be much simpler.

Or salt.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on November 19, 2015, 08:50:49 PM
Consumption tax.
Then we're dead. Who wants to pay tax on 200k a month?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sharkky on November 19, 2015, 08:52:58 PM
abolish theIRS???  (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing025.gif) (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 19, 2015, 09:13:17 PM
Why do my eyes start drooping every time I hear Carson's voice?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ad120 on November 20, 2015, 01:08:44 PM
In regards to Barack Obama:
"He needs to get some sleep and shut up." -Chris Christie
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ad120 on November 20, 2015, 01:10:07 PM
In regards to Barack Obama:
"He needs to get some sleep and shut up." -Chris Christie
Gadlus
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 20, 2015, 01:11:17 PM

In regards to Barack Obama:
"He needs to get some sleep and shut up." -Chris Christie
I think he was actually talking about john Kerry
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 20, 2015, 01:14:39 PM

I think he was actually talking about john Kerry
As seen here http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/christie-on-kerry-he-needs-to-get-some-sleep-and-shut-up/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on November 21, 2015, 07:32:42 PM
there are talks that Christie will make it back to the main debate floor. I thought he was good-hes like trump but with real policies.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on November 21, 2015, 07:56:11 PM
there are talks that Christie will make it back to the main debate floor. I thought he was good-hes like trump but with real policies.

If he would be two hundred pounds lighter he would be the top Republican candidate by leaps and bounds. He is by far the best of the bunch. He is not taken seriously because of his weight.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 21, 2015, 09:00:11 PM

If he would be two hundred pounds lighter he would be the top Republican candidate by leaps and bounds. He is by far the best of the bunch. He is not taken seriously because of his weight.
It has nothing to do with his weight, bridgegate killed him, fort lee mayor definitely got last laugh 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on November 21, 2015, 09:29:44 PM
It has nothing to do with his weight, bridgegate killed him, fort lee mayor definitely got last laugh

Utter nonsense. There has been zero evidence that he had any knowledge of the bridge conspiracy. Most people have already forgotten about "bridgegate".

If you believe that his weight has nothing to do with why he's not a serious candidate, then I have a "bridge" to sell you.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 21, 2015, 09:56:38 PM
I think Christie's been unelectable as a national republican since he stumped with Obama in 2012.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on November 21, 2015, 09:57:35 PM
I think Christie's been unelectable as a national republican since he stumped with Obama in 2012.
The problem with you is i can never tell if you're serious or not.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 21, 2015, 09:58:13 PM
The problem with you is i can never tell if you're serious or not.

Yes, I am. I thought that was his GOP waterloo.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on November 21, 2015, 10:01:02 PM
Yes, I am. I thought that was his GOP waterloo.
Interesting. I would think that would have a  positive effect as far as electability goes, if anything. Looks like he's able to work with the opposition to get things done.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: henche on November 21, 2015, 10:25:45 PM
Interesting. I would think that would have a  positive effect as far as electability goes, if anything. Looks like he's able to work with the opposition to get things done.

I don't think that was how any republicans saw it. I think they all saw it as willing to play for the other team as long as he wins.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 21, 2015, 10:29:09 PM

Utter nonsense. There has been zero evidence that he had any knowledge of the bridge conspiracy. Most people have already forgotten about "bridgegate".

If you believe that his weight has nothing to do with why he's not a serious candidate, then I have a "bridge" to sell you.
It doesn't matter that there is no proof-it damaged his image and took the air out if his momentum..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on November 21, 2015, 11:56:05 PM
It doesn't matter that there is no proof-it damaged his image and took the air out if his momentum..

What momentum? It was the Democrats who speculated his "frontrunner status" for the 2016 GOP nomination. They then attempted to use "bridgegate" as his "big scandal" to invalidate him.

I stand by my assessment that if Christie would not be morbidly obese, he would be the top GOP candidate right now.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 22, 2015, 12:02:27 AM



I stand by my assessment that if Christie would not be morbidly obese, he would be the top GOP candidate right now.
If his obesity effects his electability so much, how did he win in blue NJ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on November 22, 2015, 12:10:53 AM

Interesting. I would think that would have a  positive effect as far as electability goes, if anything. Looks like he's able to work with the opposition to get things done.
You don't win primaries with moderation.
I don't think that was how any republicans saw it. I think they all saw it as willing to play for the other team as long as he wins.
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on November 22, 2015, 12:14:58 AM
You don't win primaries with moderation.  +1
+1
Just look at the frontrunners...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on November 22, 2015, 12:16:03 AM
+1
Just look at the frontrunners...
Meh. The media makes up a lot of the numbers.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 22, 2015, 12:21:54 AM

Meh. The media makes up a lot of the numbers.
Why would media root for trump? They are all liberals, if they had their agenda in mind they would make Jeb boring bush frontrunner and have him lose to Hillary Rodent Clinton
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on November 22, 2015, 01:21:34 AM
If his obesity effects his electability so much, how did he win in blue NJ?

Local and general elections are two completely different animals. Voters look for very different qualities in their governor than they do in their president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on November 22, 2015, 01:36:55 PM
Local and general elections are two completely different animals. Voters look for very different qualities in their governor than they do in their president.
+1
Since when does a local governor have to face off with Ahmedinejad or Putin etc.?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on November 22, 2015, 01:47:13 PM

Local and general elections are two completely different animals. Voters look for very different qualities in their governor than they do in their president.
I agree with that, but that still does not justify a 50%+ to 3% difference
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on November 22, 2015, 01:59:38 PM
Just my 0.02
The poll above is very inadequate. A. Which poll hides results from non voters? B. Every poll allows voters to change their minds as more and more insights into each candidate come up.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on November 22, 2015, 02:47:36 PM
Just my 0.02
The poll above is very inadequate. A. Which poll hides results from non voters? B. Every poll allows voters to change their minds as more and more insights into each candidate come up.
ok I fixed problem A (it shows results before you vote) but Problem B I don't think this forum has an option to do. if there is let me know
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on November 22, 2015, 02:54:36 PM
What momentum? It was the Democrats who speculated his "frontrunner status" for the 2016 GOP nomination. They then attempted to use "bridgegate" as his "big scandal" to invalidate him.

I stand by my assessment that if Christie would not be morbidly obese, he would be the top GOP candidate right now.
maybe he should take tips from this president (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/health/in-struggle-with-weight-william-howard-taft-used-a-modern-diet.html?_r=0) who seemed to curb his obesity somewhat. they say he died in his bathtub bc he couldn't out or something?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on November 22, 2015, 03:23:22 PM
ok I fixed problem A (it shows results before you vote) but Problem B I don't think this forum has an option to do. if there is let me know
It does. I don't remember exactly what they call it but something like "allow voters to retract".

ETA: You're right, doesn't seem possible to change in an existing poll. In a new one it's possible to set it that way.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: username on November 22, 2015, 03:36:21 PM
Just my 0.02
The poll above is very inadequate. A. Which poll hides results from non voters?
All polls dont reveal preliminary results to potential voters of that poll.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on December 08, 2015, 01:13:02 PM
@KolHaolam: WASHINGTON: BREAKING NEWS - White House says Trump comments disqualify him from presidency. (AFP)

m.twitter.com/KolHaolam
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on December 08, 2015, 01:15:09 PM
@KolHaolam: WASHINGTON: BREAKING NEWS - White House says Trump comments disqualify him from presidency. (AFP)

m.twitter.com/KolHaolam
And i say plenty of Obama's comments disqualify him from the presidency. Didn't stop him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on December 08, 2015, 01:16:56 PM
And i say plenty of Obama's comments executive actions disqualify him from the presidency. Didn't stop him.
FTFY
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on December 09, 2015, 07:03:47 PM
UPDATE: so we have this (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-09/bloomberg-politics-poll-trump-muslim-ban-proposal) stat about trump and yet.. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-flops-at-republican-jewish-coalition-event/) one of the things he said (or didn't say) was whether yerushalayim is the undisputed capital of isreal.this guy is the ultimate man of stiro's
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on January 17, 2016, 02:19:04 PM
poll has been reset due to major shifts in national polling with Christie put back on the ballot( I left paul and Fiorina in just in case)
anyway, im surprised the ddf poll didn't make it to the grand list of polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html) :)
who are you in for and why?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 17, 2016, 02:59:20 PM
poll has been reset due to major shifts in national polling with Christie put back on the ballot( I left paul and Fiorina in just in case)
anyway, im surprised the ddf poll didn't make it to the grand list of polls (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html) :)
who are you in for and why?
Just in case what, exactly?!  >:(  ;)

P.S. When changing poll no need to reset the count. Just saying.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on January 17, 2016, 04:40:42 PM
I wasn't following the news for some time and i see now that carly fiorina is so down on the polls.  What changed?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on January 18, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
I wasn't following the news for some time and i see now that carly fiorina is so down on the polls.  What changed?
she wasn't a pretty good ceo in hp either... maybe its in her bones
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on January 25, 2016, 06:29:06 PM
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on January 26, 2016, 02:49:32 PM
what do you think Trump will end up doing With the Fox News Debate?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Malachi on January 26, 2016, 02:59:37 PM
what do you think Trump will end up doing With the Fox News Debate?
he will go.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 26, 2016, 03:02:05 PM
what do you think Trump will end up doing With the Fox News Debate?
I'm not following the news. Why shouldn't he go?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: username on January 26, 2016, 03:03:06 PM
I'm not following the news. Why shouldn't he go?
He 'threatened' to not go. Doesnt like megan.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 26, 2016, 03:05:08 PM
He 'threatened' to not go. Doesnt like megan.
Is megan gonna be there again?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 26, 2016, 03:14:49 PM
I'm not following the news. Why shouldn't he go?
Because he has the maturity of my kindergartener
He 'threatened' to not go. Doesnt like megan.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on January 26, 2016, 03:34:27 PM
megen ftfy
Megyn
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 26, 2016, 04:44:00 PM
He 'threatened' to not go. Doesnt like megan.
Won't mention the remarks he mad about her after first debate. Disgrace, to say the least.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 26, 2016, 06:51:08 PM
@KolHaolam: IOWA: Donald Trump says during a news conference he "probably won't bother doing the GOP debate" on Fox News in Des Moines Thursday night.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on January 27, 2016, 05:44:23 PM
@realdonaldtrump

Even though I beat him in the first six debates, especially the last one, Ted Cruz wants to debate me again. Can we do it in Canada?


Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on January 27, 2016, 09:04:53 PM

what do you think Trump will end up doing With the Fox News Debate?
He is good!! he did the right thing
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 27, 2016, 09:18:46 PM
He is good!! he did the right thing
+1. I'd do the same. WTH is fox news's issue? Why did they pick her again? What did they think?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 28, 2016, 12:04:40 AM
He is good!! he did the right thing

But the liberal media he has no problem having them moderate?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 28, 2016, 12:05:09 AM
+1. I'd do the same. WTH is fox news's issue? Why did they pick her again? What did they think?
she is their prime time news anchor you know
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 28, 2016, 12:23:19 AM
she is their prime time news anchor you know
They should've in a nice political way make sure she is not in the debate. She can stay in Fox, just not this debate.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 28, 2016, 12:27:23 AM
They should've in a nice political way make sure she is not in the debate. She can stay in Fox, just not this debate.
for many reasons that may not be an option. Trump is the only one who should stand his ground? Why should Fox cave to him? Because the poor child was hurt by the question? He needs a "safe zone"?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on January 28, 2016, 09:46:50 AM
 www.duckingdonald.com
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on January 28, 2016, 09:58:12 AM
They should've in a nice political way make sure she is not in the debate. She can stay in Fox, just not this debate.
Why let trump manipulate everyone? Enough that he hurls insults throughout the entire debate. It'll be less fun but more professional and cordial without him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on January 28, 2016, 10:06:01 AM
Why let trump manipulate everyone? Enough that he hurls insults throughout the entire debate. It'll be less fun but more professional and cordial without him.
By him walking out on the debate, he automatically won it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on January 28, 2016, 10:07:36 AM
By him walking out on the debate, he automatically won it.
Depends how you look at it. From one side it shows strength and from the other side cowardice
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on January 28, 2016, 12:28:06 PM
By him walking out on the debate, he automatically won it.
That remains to be seen. What we may now be seeing at the debate is everyone vying to take over second place from Cruz. That can give Cruz a much larger platform. It also gives the candidates opportunity to say what they want about Trump without him defending it immediately.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 28, 2016, 12:54:40 PM
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2016/01/27/trump_refuses_to_play_by_the_rules

Very true analysis
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 28, 2016, 08:47:52 PM
Where can I watch Trump's event?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on January 28, 2016, 08:50:11 PM
cnn
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Brian93 on January 28, 2016, 08:55:31 PM
Who has more views
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 28, 2016, 08:56:43 PM
cnn
Can you post a link?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on January 28, 2016, 09:52:17 PM
I don't think Kelly is happy with what Cruz answered her what he thinks about Trump not showing up. She was waiting Cruz to attack Trump a bit more..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on January 28, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
By him walking out on the debate, he automatically won it.
+1. Noone leading in the polls wants to participate in a debate, you only risk losing your lead. He got an excusable opportunity to not participate and grabbed it. I applaud his maneuver.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on February 01, 2016, 04:34:31 PM
we are winning iowa tonight!
The later the poll, the higher Rubio is:

 13% (Gravis)
 14% (PPP)
 15% (DMR)
 17% (Quinnipiac)
 19% (Opinion Savvy)
 22% (emerson)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on February 01, 2016, 04:38:39 PM
thats the latest poll released last night from iowa:
@EmersonPolling: BREAKING #iacaucus poll: GOP Top 3: @realDonaldTrump: 27% @tedcruz: 26% @MARCORUBIO: 22%.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: username on February 01, 2016, 04:40:12 PM
If you are elected, will you still visit us here on DDF?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on February 01, 2016, 04:41:22 PM


thats the latest poll released last night from iowa:
@EmersonPolling: BREAKING #iacaucus poll: GOP Top 3: @realDonaldTrump: 27% @tedcruz: 26% @MARKORUBIO: 22%.
FTFY
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ADG on February 01, 2016, 04:46:38 PM
we are winning iowa tonight!
The later the poll, the higher Rubio is:

 13% (Gravis)
 14% (PPP)
 15% (DMR)
 17% (Quinnipiac)
 19% (Opinion Savvy)
 22% (emerson)

I would like to see that (not sarcastically)
 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on February 01, 2016, 04:47:23 PM
If you are elected, will you still visit us here on DDF?
not sure the secret service will allow me  ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on February 01, 2016, 04:47:47 PM
FTFY
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on February 01, 2016, 04:48:20 PM
I would like to see that (not sarcastically)
see what?
thats the last 6 polls that came out from iowa
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 07:50:35 PM
So who is winning??
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2016, 08:11:39 PM
About when are the results out? Will we have it tonight? What time about?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 08:20:45 PM
About 9:30 est
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2016, 08:28:21 PM
Huh? I thought they "finish" at 10pm est.?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 08:34:16 PM
Huh? I thought they "finish" at 10pm est.?
They start at 8 pm and should take about an hour and half
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2016, 09:17:57 PM
With 22%

cruz   8,952   
30%
0
trump   8,072   
27%

Does Trump still have a chance tonight?  :-\
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 09:21:15 PM
With 22%

cruz   8,952   
30%
0
trump   8,072   
27%

Does Trump still have a chance tonight?  :-\
Hope not ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on February 01, 2016, 09:36:32 PM
With 22%

cruz   8,952   
30%
0
trump   8,072   
27%

Does Trump still have a chance tonight?  :-\
YES
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2016, 09:38:05 PM
Why? How?

Now with 43%the counted

Cruz 20,179

Trump 18,045
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on February 01, 2016, 09:40:45 PM
Simple 2k difference another with another few k counted he could still slide up
Why? How?

Now with 43%the counted

Cruz 20,179

Trump 18,045
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
He's sliding, now 25%
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 01, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
Hillary and Sanders practically tied.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 01, 2016, 09:44:15 PM
It's funny how Iowa has such an effect on results. Lets see how many people run from trump to Cruz.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on February 01, 2016, 09:46:52 PM
With 22%

cruz   8,952   
30%
0
trump   8,072   
27%

Does Trump still have a chance tonight?  :-\
looks like cruz is making it
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 09:51:41 PM
Rubio is slowly climbing up
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 09:53:17 PM
Will the delegates end up determining the results or the popular votes?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 01, 2016, 09:58:36 PM
Can trump finish third? That would be awesome
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 01, 2016, 10:09:34 PM
Can trump finish third? That would be awesome
Not a chance. Rubio is to far behind
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 01, 2016, 10:11:34 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/01/477c083dc66a01bd135fb50a8347d82f.jpg)
3 percentage points according to goofle6
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rivkao on February 01, 2016, 10:18:06 PM
It's over. Cruz 28% Trump 24% Rubio 23%. Trump was nearly pushed to third!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on February 01, 2016, 10:31:42 PM
And the first to bite the dust is........Martin O'Malley
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 01, 2016, 10:35:06 PM
It's over. Cruz 28% Trump 24% Rubio 23%. Trump was nearly pushed to third!
He's going to crash now. ...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on February 01, 2016, 10:37:11 PM
He's going to crash now. ...
if he was the third
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2016, 10:38:34 PM
I would love to see Trump's tantrum.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2016, 10:43:47 PM
The winner of Iowa usually loses big in the general primary
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 01, 2016, 10:51:31 PM
The winner of Iowa usually loses big in the general primary
Any logic behind this (if true at all)?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2016, 10:55:08 PM
Any logic behind this (if true at all)?
Huckabee and Santoroum are the last 2 winners.

They're very Christian in Iowa.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 01, 2016, 10:55:08 PM
Democrats are neck to neck. Sanders is .2 behind Hillary
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 01, 2016, 10:59:23 PM
And the first to bite the dust is........Martin O'Malley
And mike Huckabee
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 01, 2016, 11:10:44 PM
I would love to see Trump's tantrum.
Now he's gonna give it to Cruz big time.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 01, 2016, 11:11:59 PM
I would love to see Trump's tantrum.
And Meygan Kelly's smile  ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 01, 2016, 11:13:18 PM
And Meygan Kelly's smile  ;D
Alol
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 01, 2016, 11:18:20 PM
The winner of Iowa usually loses big in the general primary
Like BO?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2016, 11:19:40 PM
Like BO?
I meant GOP, where the hard Christian voters are much higher percentage than most of the nation.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: FlyFirst on February 01, 2016, 11:44:16 PM
And Meygan Kelly's smile  ;D
That's actually the only reason why I wanted Trump to win Iowa
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ad120 on February 02, 2016, 12:07:32 AM
TustTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2016, 12:10:34 AM
Am I the only one here who freakin hates Cruz's guts?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 02, 2016, 12:17:20 AM
Am I the only one here who freakin hates Cruz's guts?
Why do you hate him?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2016, 12:29:53 AM
Why do you hate him?
He just annoys me. He's so unlikeable. I think Trump has pointed that out about him too.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 02, 2016, 12:36:17 AM
He just annoys me. He's so unlikeable. I think Trump has pointed that out about him too.
Now you killed it..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 02, 2016, 12:40:27 AM
Now you killed it..
lol. I think Trump is a clown. But even a broken clock is right twice a day  :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on February 02, 2016, 01:22:46 AM
Hillary wins coin toss, opts to receive.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/267844-clinton-wins-iowa-precinct-after-coin-toss
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 02, 2016, 09:32:49 AM
lets not forget @realdonaldtrump's old tweet:
''no one remembers who comes in second''  ;D ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 02, 2016, 12:59:51 PM
loser.com
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 02, 2016, 01:04:48 PM
Despicable if true http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/02/carson-accuses-cruz-camp-spreading-false-rumors-on-campaign-suspension.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on February 02, 2016, 02:39:14 PM
It's not so simple. CNN started the story, and it was Carson's campaign that gave them reason to think so. They said he's going to take a break at home in FL. Generally that indicates he's considered quitting. And it was expected that he would quit after IA. It's not like the Cruz people just started the rumor whole cloth to take his votes.

Also, when Carson's camp tried to clarify things, their reason for him going home to FL was that he needed to go get a fresh set of clothes. Seriously?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 02, 2016, 08:10:49 PM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/tails-you-lose-1454442758 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/tails-you-lose-1454442758)

Quote
The Des Moines Register is calling it:
 
Quote
With Des Moines precinct No. 42’s results, [Hillary] Clinton’s excruciatingly close lead narrowed further, making the final tally for delegate equivalents in the Democratic Iowa caucuses:
Quote
[Mrs.] Clinton: 699.57
[Bernie] Sanders: 697.77
It quickly raised questions about whether Sanders had won the popular vote in Iowa.
Asked why he supported Mrs. Clinton, the 0.57 delegate said: “I’m not half the man I used to be.” He was exaggerating, but only slightly.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 03, 2016, 12:42:53 PM
I would love to see Trump's tantrum.
@KolHaolam: NEW YORK: UPDATE - Donald Trump says he will probably sue over results of the caucuses, accusing Ted Cruz of committing voter fraud to win.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 03, 2016, 02:05:07 PM
@KolHaolam: NEW YORK: UPDATE - Donald Trump says he will probably sue over results of the caucuses, accusing Ted Cruz of committing voter fraud to win.
soreloser.com (http://loser.com/)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 03, 2016, 02:13:08 PM
@KolHaolam: NEW YORK: UPDATE - Donald Trump says he will probably sue over results of the caucuses, accusing Ted Cruz of committing voter fraud to win.
And my six year old lost a game of war and threw the cards all over the floor.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 03, 2016, 02:19:46 PM
And my six two year old lost a game of war and threw the cards all over the floor.
FTFY

And this is someone who people want to see in the WH. Every country has good days and bad days, and as a president you have to elaborate and build off the good days. When a bad day comes you have to take it like a man, learn from your mistakes and go on. I don't want to see Trump on a bad day; especially not when he's in such a high, powerful position.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 03, 2016, 02:30:12 PM
R Paul to be removed from poll
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 03, 2016, 03:15:48 PM
R Paul to be removed from poll
I think poll should be left cuz soon we'll be forgetting who was on the ballot to begin with...  :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 03, 2016, 03:19:50 PM
I think poll should be left cuz soon we'll be forgetting who was on the ballot to begin with...  :)
Would that be a bad thing?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 03, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
Would that be a bad thing?
Just for the records, no?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 03, 2016, 09:13:55 PM
FTFY

And this is someone who people want to see in the WH. Every country has good days and bad days, and as a president you have to elaborate and build off the good days. When a bad day comes you have to take it like a man, learn from your mistakes and go on. I don't want to see Trump on a bad day; especially not when he's in such a high, powerful position.
actually my two year old well do that when he wins as well. Hmmmmmmm
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 04, 2016, 12:32:38 PM
loser.com has been updated have fun!!!  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Brian93 on February 06, 2016, 11:45:21 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/gop-debate-awkward_us_56b69c0ee4b04f9b57d9e69c
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 06, 2016, 11:56:32 PM
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/gop-debate-awkward_us_56b69c0ee4b04f9b57d9e69c
I'm laughing to tears. Trump and Carson! Oh! I love it!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 07, 2016, 12:32:23 AM
D Wasserman Schultz

@DWStweets

Hmmm, wondering why @GOP trying to hide their #GOPdebate on the Saturday of #SuperBowl weekend no less?!
5:28 PM - 6 Feb 2016

Almost like having a debate at the same time as the game.......
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 08, 2016, 04:59:00 PM
should we add him (http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/384025/bloomberg-says-he-is-eyeing-2016-run-for-the-white-house.html) to our poll??
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 08, 2016, 05:35:51 PM
no even if he ends up running it will be on independent ticket
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 08, 2016, 08:15:42 PM
true
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 08, 2016, 08:31:27 PM
I cant believe that there are  people here who would vote for Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 08, 2016, 08:45:07 PM
I cant believe that there are  people here who would vote for Trump.
Third highest rating according to ddf poll.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 08, 2016, 09:21:21 PM
Third highest rating according to ddf poll.
Crazy, even if he had substance I would have difficulty believing someone with his personality really appeals to people here.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 08, 2016, 09:24:09 PM
Crazy, even if he had substance I would have difficulty believing someone with his personality really appeals to people here.
I'm not for him, but on the past ABC debate he did very well, wasn't nearly as arrogant as in the past.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 08, 2016, 09:26:19 PM
I'm not for him, but on the past ABC debate he did very well, wasn't nearly as arrogant as in the past.
Didnt see most of it, but shushing another candidate!? Realy !?
Its just childishly entertaining. But not what I want for president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 08, 2016, 09:31:53 PM
Quote
@kolhaolam NEW YORK: Michael Bloomberg, billionaire media owner & former NY mayor, stated for first time that he is considering a run for US president.
What a waist of votes. Just gonna throw valuable votes (from either side) into the garbage.  >:(

Oh, and is it worthy reminding people how he just ignored the snow situation just a few years ago (something Christie was attacked about in the last debate)? And how Manhattan was ALWAYS treated with precedence over the other boroughs? And how he manipulated legislation in his favor for an extra term of disaster (something Obama keeps doing with his executive actions etc. - and an election Bloomberg only narrowly won)? Any need for continuation?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 08, 2016, 11:24:33 PM
What a waist of votes. Just gonna throw valuable votes (from either side) into the garbage.  >:(

Oh, and is it worthy reminding people how he just ignored the snow situation just a few years ago (something Christie was attacked about in the last debate)? And how Manhattan was ALWAYS treated with precedence over the other boroughs? And how he manipulated legislation in his favor for an extra term of disaster (something Obama keeps doing with his executive actions etc. - and an election Bloomberg only narrowly won)? Any need for continuation?
First of all he doesn't plan on running for president necessarily. He plans on running to move votes from a candidate he doesn't want to win.

And let's not forget 40% in crime, multiple thwarted terrorist attacks. I agree with some of his things, and disagree with other ones. He's a conservative liberal.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 08, 2016, 11:50:15 PM
I cant believe that there are  people here who would vote for Trump.
Well, believe it or not , he's most likely gonna be the Republican nominee .
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 09, 2016, 01:29:28 PM
Well, believe it or not , he's most likely gonna be the Republican nominee .
Wait for Super Tuesday.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sddd on February 09, 2016, 04:15:50 PM
Well, believe it or not , he's most likely gonna be the Republican nominee .
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 09, 2016, 07:02:14 PM
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.
The more candidates dropping out of the race the more less likely is for Trump to win.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on February 09, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.

Most voters are extremely fickle. If Trump shows a more "stately" side to him, he can secure the establishment vote. However, the odds of him changing his demeanor are worse than the odds of winning the Powerball...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 09, 2016, 07:23:34 PM
Most voters are extremely fickle. If Trump shows a more "stately" side to him, he can secure the establishment vote. However, the odds of him changing his demeanor are worse than the odds of winning the Powerball...
He is his demeanor.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Einstein on February 09, 2016, 07:37:48 PM
Go Cruz! ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sddd on February 09, 2016, 09:00:06 PM
trump is his deMEANor
I agree
he would be a runaway favorite IF he would just be a LITTLE bit toned down.

Cruz cannot win either; terrible demeanor. Always melodramatic and lecturing. He needs to chill and be more friendly. But thats not who he is.

Christie is a bully, similar to Trump, but without his personality appeal.

Kasich has very thought out ideas, unfortunately he comes across as grumpy.

Bush lacks vision; hes more of a problem solver, but uninspiring. Plus.........hes low energy :)

B'kitzar.. everyones flawed.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sddd on February 09, 2016, 09:10:32 PM
can we add a poll question

who do you think will secure GOP nomination.
More interesting than peoples personal preferences, I think
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 09, 2016, 09:31:32 PM


trump is his deMEANor
I agree
he would be a runaway favorite IF he would just be a LITTLE bit toned down.

Cruz cannot win either; terrible demeanor. Always melodramatic and lecturing. He needs to chill and be more friendly. But thats not who he is.

Christie is a bully, similar to Trump, but without his personality appeal.

Kasich has very thought out ideas, unfortunately he comes across as grumpy.

Bush lacks vision; hes more of a problem solver, but uninspiring. Plus.........hes low energy :)

B'kitzar.. everyones flawed.

+1 very good analysis, especially the line about Kasich Coming off as grumpy! The only thing I disagree with is is your analysis ofTrump, he is nothing without his demeanor if he toned it down no-one would know he was a candidate. His stregnth is summing people up.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: danrocks613 on February 09, 2016, 10:43:27 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160210/b269fdbcdd78f93e720edb7c9011f1be.jpg)
Ouch!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on February 09, 2016, 11:15:20 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160210/b269fdbcdd78f93e720edb7c9011f1be.jpg)
Ouch!

I am absolutely not in favor of Trump, but this is exactly what I thought about Obama voters in 2012. 2008 is forgivable, 2012 was absolute zombie madness.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 09, 2016, 11:15:35 PM
Ouch!
If anything such headlines help him
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 09, 2016, 11:50:37 PM
Trump starts behaving.. I really liked his victory speech.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on February 10, 2016, 12:30:00 AM
trump is his deMEANor
I agree
he would be a runaway favorite IF he would just be a LITTLE bit toned down.

Cruz cannot win either; terrible demeanor. Always melodramatic and lecturing. He needs to chill and be more friendly. But thats not who he is.

Christie is a bully, similar to Trump, but without his personality appeal.

Kasich has very thought out ideas, unfortunately he comes across as grumpy.

Bush lacks vision; hes more of a problem solver, but uninspiring. Plus.........hes low energy :)

B'kitzar.. everyones flawed.

Perhaps I haven't been paying enough attention, but can you give examples of Kasich's thought out ideas?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ergel on February 10, 2016, 06:33:00 AM
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.
Problem is not enough candidates will drop out in time.
Kasich, Rubio and Cruz will split too much of the vote
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 10, 2016, 09:45:05 AM
Trump starts behaving.. I really liked his victory speech.
Yes indeed,  first time he spoke without attacking other candidates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 10, 2016, 09:50:32 AM
Yes indeed,  first time he spoke without attacking other candidates.
Sounds like hes gone into prevent defense
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 10, 2016, 09:52:58 AM
Sounds like hes gone into prevent defense
And we all know that's a losing strategy.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 10, 2016, 10:05:28 AM
a couple of @realdonaldtrump tweets

Like the worthless @NYDailyNews, looks like @politico will be going out of business. Bad reporting- no money, no cred!

Worthless @NYDailyNews, which dopey Mort Zuckerman, is desperately trying to sell, has no buyer! Liabilities are massive!

Dopey Mort Zuckerman, owner of the worthless @NYDailyNews, has a major inferiority complex. Paper will close soon!

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 10, 2016, 07:59:11 PM
a couple of @realdonaldtrump tweets

Like the worthless @NYDailyNews, looks like @politico will be going out of business. Bad reporting- no money, no cred!

Worthless @NYDailyNews, which dopey Mort Zuckerman, is desperately trying to sell, has no buyer! Liabilities are massive!

Dopey Mort Zuckerman, owner of the worthless @NYDailyNews, has a major inferiority complex. Paper will close soon!
If bloomberg runs, how will his businesses write up articles about him?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 10, 2016, 09:08:39 PM
Quote
Kasich’s support was grounded in well-educated voters; he got 22 percent of those with postgraduate degrees, but just 9 percent of those voters with only a high school education. Trump, meanwhile, saw his greatest backing from the less-educated, winning 45 percent of those with just a high school education.
pretty much sums up everything you need to know about trumps popularity
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 11, 2016, 01:50:41 PM
@kolhaolam NEW YORK: Donald Trump vowed to make North Korea dictator Kim Jong-un ‘disappear’ and said he faces a fate worse than assassination.

Joke of the century, or not yet?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on February 11, 2016, 08:23:04 PM
http://boingboing.net/2016/02/11/haunted-by-a-lack-of-young-vot.html#more-447645
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 11, 2016, 10:40:18 PM
http://buzzpo.com/ted-cruz-walks-christian-dinner-pro-israel-comments/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 14, 2016, 02:54:02 AM
Donald trump had a pretty bad night tonight.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 14, 2016, 03:13:37 AM
Donald trump had a pretty bad night tonight.
Well, maybe not so good but I would not call it bad.

He had a good minute when he answered Bush about his language....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: dovy2 on February 14, 2016, 08:37:09 AM
http://buzzpo.com/ted-cruz-walks-christian-dinner-pro-israel-comments/
That's from 2 years ago btw
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on February 14, 2016, 08:49:55 AM
Donald trump had a pretty bad night tonight.
I thought so too but check out the Drudge poll.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 14, 2016, 08:53:05 AM
I thought so too but check out the Drudge poll.
That could just mean Drudge readers like Trump which based on the website makes sense.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on February 14, 2016, 09:08:44 AM
That could just mean Drudge readers like Trump which based on the website makes sense.

As does Matt Drudge.

During the fox debate that Trump skipped, the poll was changed to "Who are you voting for?" instead of "Who won the debate"
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 14, 2016, 01:05:57 PM
Wow! Watching the cbs debate from last night. It was out of control.
And still not a word of substance from Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 14, 2016, 01:15:37 PM
Wow! Watching the cbs debate from last night. It was out of control.
And still not a word of substance from Trump.
What was out of control
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 14, 2016, 01:21:50 PM
What was out of control
Did you watch it? The complete lack of decorum by the debaters and the crowd was completely out of control.
It is unfathomable that Trump is still leading in the polls, he is a complete bully always talking over other candidates. They need a mute button on his mic.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 14, 2016, 01:25:16 PM
Did you watch it? The complete lack of decorum by the debaters and the crowd was completely out of control.
It is unfathomable that Trump is still leading in the polls, he is a complete bully always talking over other candidates. They need a mute button on his mic.
Lol
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 14, 2016, 01:28:51 PM
Just saw this tweet "@realdonaldtrump having his worst debate yet- his poll numbers will probably go up"
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rs242 on February 14, 2016, 03:18:10 PM

Just saw this tweet "@realdonaldtrump having his worst debate yet- his poll numbers will probably go up"
thats not a real tweet
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 14, 2016, 06:07:24 PM
Did you watch it? The complete lack of decorum by the debaters and the crowd was completely out of control.
It is unfathomable that Trump is still leading in the polls, he is a complete bully always talking over other candidates. They need a mute button on his mic.
After i watched the debate I decided that this guy is just mentally ill.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 14, 2016, 06:51:50 PM
Sheesh! Just sheesh! This was sickening. Attacks with simply no purpose, bullying each other, and it wasn't even so much fun to watch cuz it got disgusting too many times.

Ben Carson seemed to be getting all the questions by a voice to text prompter who was too slow in his typing. I followed it, every time he spoke up it was to answer a previous question or to comment on a topic on which discussion has already ended on. Why in the world is the guy still taking up valuable real estate on that platform?!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on February 14, 2016, 07:28:27 PM
What were the final results in NH 1) trump 2) kasich 3) ???  4)???  5)???
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 14, 2016, 07:36:45 PM
What were the final results in NH 1) trump 2) kasich 3) ???  4)???  5)???
Are you asking seriously or being facetious?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on February 14, 2016, 07:39:21 PM
Seriously, between Cruz bush and Rubio.
(Before I get the GIYF, No Internet Access to google it On taptalk)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 14, 2016, 07:40:28 PM
Sheesh! Just sheesh! This was sickening. Attacks with simply no purpose, bullying each other, and it wasn't even so much fun to watch cuz it got disgusting too many times.

Ben Carson seemed to be getting all the questions by a voice to text prompter who was too slow in his typing. I followed it, every time he spoke up it was to answer a previous question or to comment on a topic on which discussion has already ended on. Why in the world is the guy still taking up valuable real estate on that platform?!
Never thought I would say this but I missed mitt Romney up there.
He would not have allowed any of Trump's antics. As a matter of fact, I bet before deciding to enter the ring Trump surveyed his opponents and realized that he can bully them all with out being shut up. If Romney was running he would have never joined the race.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 14, 2016, 07:55:31 PM
Seriously, between Cruz bush and Rubio.
(Before I get the GIYF, No Internet Access to google it On taptalk)
[http://hosted]Trump, DonaldGOP100,40635%Kasich, JohnGOP44,90916%Cruz, TedGOP33,18912%Bush, JebGOP31,31011%Rubio, MarcoGOP30,03211%Christie, Chris
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 16, 2016, 12:08:38 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/16/53f10ae89e26f3d86e0c2282148b81cf.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 16, 2016, 01:37:21 PM
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/16/02/16/53f10ae89e26f3d86e0c2282148b81cf.jpg)
What arrogance. I think at this point it'll be the start of Trump's decline. People don't always want to see you doing what's legit, they want to see a mentch in a candidate too. It's an utter disgrace. Not that I'm justifying having loser.com redirect to Trump's wikipedia page, but this move is quite an escalated level in arrogance.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 16, 2016, 03:07:28 PM
What arrogance. I think at this point it'll be the start of Trump's decline. People don't always want to see you doing what's legit, they want to see a mentch in a candidate too. It's an utter disgrace. Not that I'm justifying having loser.com redirect to Trump's wikipedia page, but this move is quite an escalated level in arrogance.
Except that this happened in early December and the date on the tweet is in early January and it has not been the start of his decline.

ooops just google jebbush.com and mysteriously redirects to DONALDJTRUMP.COM with the picture of the HUGE candidate
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 16, 2016, 04:55:35 PM
What arrogance. I think at this point it'll be the start of Trump's decline. People don't always want to see you doing what's legit, they want to see a mentch in a candidate too. It's an utter disgrace. Not that I'm justifying having loser.com redirect to Trump's wikipedia page, but this move is quite an escalated level in arrogance.
This is par for the Trump Campaign course.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on February 16, 2016, 05:10:45 PM
Did you watch it? The complete lack of decorum by the debaters and the crowd was completely out of control.
It is unfathomable that Trump is still leading in the polls, he is a complete bully always talking over other candidates. They need a mute button on his mic.
Interesting about the crowd (Trump and Cruz both said they were planted).

I was watching some old debates (Candy Crowley was just as detestable in 1999) and in each one the moderator specifically instructed the crowd not to react to anything from any candidate. I guess they abandoned that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 16, 2016, 06:09:58 PM
Interesting about the crowd (Trump and Cruz both said they were planted).

I was watching some old debates (Candy Crowley was just as detestable in 1999) and in each one the moderator specifically instructed the crowd not to react to anything from any candidate. I guess they abandoned that.
Did the crowd adhere to the moderators instructions?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on February 16, 2016, 06:40:50 PM
Did the crowd adhere to the moderators instructions?
Yes
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 18, 2016, 07:59:38 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/gabriel-schoenfeld-man-stop-donald-trump-article-1.2533885
I think this is spot on
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 18, 2016, 09:43:49 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/gabriel-schoenfeld-man-stop-donald-trump-article-1.2533885
I think this is spot on
His main point of the non Trump field being split is correct but it does not lead to where he takes it. There is no way at all that Bush can win the nomination.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on February 18, 2016, 10:15:50 AM
http://m.nydailynews.com/opinion/gabriel-schoenfeld-man-stop-donald-trump-article-1.2533885
I think this is spot on
Nothing new.
Except I stopped reading when he said that Trump would be worse then Hillary.  That shows you where he is coming from.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 18, 2016, 10:18:43 AM
Nothing new.
Except I stopped reading when he said that Trump would be worse then Hillary.  That shows you where he is coming from.
As much as I dislike hillary I believe she would b better then trump
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 20, 2016, 07:48:20 PM
Time for Bush and kasich to pull out and make this a real fight
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 20, 2016, 08:54:49 PM
Bush is out...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 20, 2016, 08:56:48 PM
Bush is out...
officially?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 20, 2016, 08:57:07 PM
Yup
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 20, 2016, 08:57:51 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/02/20/south-carolina-republican-primary-trump-cruz-rubio-bush/80630432/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 20, 2016, 09:20:06 PM
link (https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=south%20carolina%20primary&eob=m.06yxd/R/2/short/m.06yxd/)
hes polling better than kasich
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 21, 2016, 02:05:22 AM
Bush is out...
That's not good news for Trump! As soon Carson and Kasich are dropping out can trump say goodbye.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 21, 2016, 08:58:11 AM
That's not good news for Trump! As soon Carson and Kasich are dropping out can trump say goodbye.
Carson is taking away many votes from Trump.
It's people willing to vote for an unqualified candidate.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 21, 2016, 09:51:14 AM
Carson is taking away many votes from Trump.
It's people willing to vote for an unqualified candidate.
Not true.  Trump itself said that Cruz took all Carson's voters that's why he won Iowa.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 21, 2016, 11:19:02 AM
Not true.  Trump itself said that Cruz took all Carson's voters that's why he won Iowa.
That is juts Iowa where there are Christians and were shifting from Carson to the next most Christ..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 21, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
Not true.  Trump itself said that Cruz took all Carson's voters that's why he won Iowa.
1st of all, are you really quoting Trump to prove a point?
Second of all as ilherman said already
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 21, 2016, 03:12:22 PM
Rubio better brace himself for Trump's attacks. He performed very poorly when it was Christie battering him in NH, just wait till Trump goes after him with the club.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on February 21, 2016, 04:24:19 PM
Rubio better brace himself for Trump's attacks. He performed very poorly when it was Christie battering him in NH, just wait till Trump goes after him with the club.

The effect of Trump's attacks are wearing off. Rubio is definitely the "beloved" of the establishment, and they are going to throw as much force as possible behind him.

My concern is that he can't beat Hillary. I could see her mopping the floor with him in a debate. Trump hurt the GOP in ways that are irreversable.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 21, 2016, 04:30:56 PM
The effect of Trump's attacks are wearing off. Rubio is definitely the "beloved" of the establishment, and they are going to throw as much force as possible behind him.

My concern is that he can't beat Hillary. I could see her mopping the floor with him in a debate. Trump hurt the GOP in ways that are irreversable.
In a debate, maybe. But not in an actual general election. She has too many scandals surrounding her, and even though they are not affecting that much in the primary stages, they will take a toll in the overall long run.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 21, 2016, 06:47:19 PM
In a debate, maybe. But not in an actual general election. She has too many scandals surrounding her, and even though they are not affecting that much in the primary stages, they will take a toll in the overall long run.
Plus hillary has zero likeability. Rubio destroys her in that area
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 21, 2016, 07:11:01 PM
In a debate, maybe. But not in an actual general election. She has too many scandals surrounding her, and even though they are not affecting that much in the primary stages, they will take a toll in the overall long run.
Would you not vote for her just because of the scandals?
I don't believe it's a major factor (it's a good tool to use at a debate).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on February 21, 2016, 07:16:35 PM
Would you not vote for her just because of the scandals?
I don't believe it's a major factor (it's a good tool to use at a debate).
Siman not a sibah.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on February 21, 2016, 07:41:26 PM
In a debate, maybe. But not in an actual general election. She has too many scandals surrounding her, and even though they are not affecting that much in the primary stages, they will take a toll in the overall long run.

1. Scandals are entirely up to the media and how they cover it. Obama got away with murder because he has the media in his pocket. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, phone tapping etc. not to mention how they downplayed his radical anti-American pastor Jeremiah Wright. Hillary is getting away scott free in the same manner. Aside from Fox and Drudge, who else is strongly pushing the email scandal?

The media is on Hillary's side, and Hillary is walking away from these scandals unscathed. Mark my words.

2. The general election is heavily influenced by the three presidential debates. One can even argue that the debates are the single most important factor in winning the undecided vote. If Hillary kicks Rubio's butt, which is very likely, she will be the next president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on February 21, 2016, 07:48:29 PM


1. Scandals are entirely up to the media and how they cover it. Obama got away with murder because he has the media in his pocket. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, phone tapping etc. not to mention how they downplayed his radical anti-American pastor Jeremiah Wright. Hillary is getting away scott free in the same manner. Aside from Fox and Drudge, who else is strongly pushing the email scandal?

The media is on Hillary's side, and Hillary is walking away from these scandals unscathed. Mark my words.

2. The general election is heavily influenced by the three presidential debates. One can even argue that the debates are the single most important factor in winning the undecided vote. If Hillary kicks Rubio's butt, which is very likely, she will be the next president.

Quietly tucked away in the back of the WSJ you'll see it discussed in "Opinion".
The articles there are very interesting and more or less unbiased.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 21, 2016, 11:45:19 PM
I can just say that trump is mentally ill  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gj8npARTU)
 But I'll still vote  for him
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 21, 2016, 11:58:30 PM
I can just say that trump is mentally ill  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gj8npARTU)
 But I'll still vote  for him
Handled situation very well. He does get credit for that one, though I won't vote for him (probably).

ETA: Reminds me of one of Yoeli Lebowitz's songs, only the opposite..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 22, 2016, 12:05:19 AM
poll edited
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 22, 2016, 12:11:24 AM
I can just say that trump is mentally ill  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gj8npARTU)
 But I'll still vote  for him
And this is precisely the reason why people want him. You heard how the people were screaming after him "turn off the lights"

This is indeed a movement.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 22, 2016, 12:12:20 AM
1. Scandals are entirely up to the media and how they cover it. Obama got away with murder because he has the media in his pocket. Benghazi, Fast and Furious, phone tapping etc. not to mention how they downplayed his radical anti-American pastor Jeremiah Wright. Hillary is getting away scott free in the same manner. Aside from Fox and Drudge, who else is strongly pushing the email scandal?

The media is on Hillary's side, and Hillary is walking away from these scandals unscathed. Mark my words.

2. The general election is heavily influenced by the three presidential debates. One can even argue that the debates are the single most important factor in winning the undecided vote. If Hillary kicks Rubio's butt, which is very likely, she will be the next president.
So just to get it on record, you to believe that Trump will not win the GOP primary race?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 22, 2016, 12:13:38 AM


ETA: Reminds me of one of Yoeli Lebowitz's songs, only the opposite..
Trump vs Yoely lebowitz..  Lol
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 22, 2016, 12:20:07 AM
 :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 22, 2016, 12:20:30 AM
And this is precisely the reason why people want him. You heard how the people were screaming after him "turn off the lights"

This is indeed a movement.
Let Jimmy Kimmel run for office, I promise you he'll pull off way more funnier scenes and he'll attract an even bigger crowd...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 22, 2016, 07:22:38 AM
I can just say that trump is mentally ill  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gj8npARTU)
 But I'll still vote  for him
When did that speech happen?  That's a frightening video
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Emkay on February 22, 2016, 07:43:58 AM
I can just say that trump is mentally ill  (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x9Gj8npARTU)
 But I'll still vote  for him
I thought that was great
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on February 22, 2016, 07:58:56 AM
I thought that was great
Great for Trump
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on February 22, 2016, 08:14:24 PM
So just to get it on record, you to believe that Trump will not win the GOP primary race?

I never wrote any such thing. The discussion was IF Rubio wins the nomination.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: FlyFirst on February 23, 2016, 11:34:39 AM
.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on February 23, 2016, 12:10:19 PM
Rubio did nothing, the darling child of the Tea Party ... swept in at 2010 and did what since then?
Cruz I like better but he is way too dramatic etc
Trump is a disaster to this Republic - Did nothing for his nation, he isnt even self made, no one can argue that trump resorts and casino's benefited this nation.

My issue with trump is that he was not a trailblazer is building up something of substance, he was not there building things that helped the nation become great, he has 0 record of public service and didnt give 2 hoots till today.

It would be a different story if he maybe ran for Governor and served a term or 2 and then ran for president.

Its not like he was even a US ambassador.

There was a guy named John Huntsman that was a former governor and US ambassador to china and where did that get him?

The conservative nuts and the Equivalent to 2007 youth that went bezerk over obama and across the aisle now worship Trump based on cliche and catchy phrases are putrid.

Sadly, Obama and the attacks on him cheapened the whole office of the President.

Birthers, Muslim accusations etc are beyond pathetic... its how we got stuck with Romney.. its how we are getting stuck with Trump



Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on February 23, 2016, 12:16:07 PM
Rubio did nothing, the darling child of the Tea Party ... swept in at 2016 and did what since then?
Cruz I like better but he is way too dramatic etc
Trump is a disaster to this Republic
Ditto.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 23, 2016, 02:57:14 PM
Washington (CNN) Ben Carson suggested that if elected president he might be the first African-American to hold the position noting, President Barack Obama was "raised white" and outside of the United States.

This guy just makes me  ;D and  ;D and not stop  ;D ing
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: danrocks613 on February 23, 2016, 11:49:58 PM
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Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on February 24, 2016, 11:43:47 AM
hope he understands how deal with clinton as well
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 24, 2016, 03:14:50 PM
hope he understands how deal with clinton as well
For the record, Borowitz is as meshiga a liberal as they get.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on February 24, 2016, 03:17:57 PM
For the record, Borowitz is as meshiga a liberal as they get.

Broken clock...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dawie on February 25, 2016, 10:28:59 AM
http://mashable.com/2016/02/24/jetblue-aisle/#TZX2UdeQRsqm
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on February 25, 2016, 10:52:51 AM
http://mashable.com/2016/02/24/jetblue-aisle/#TZX2UdeQRsqm
amazing!. i didn't believe that would be the outcome.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 25, 2016, 08:46:23 PM
GOP debate tonight. They made Ben Carson come out last, trying to help him avoid the same blunder as in NH. Lol
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 09:41:34 PM
Rubio is beating Trump to a pulp. Smacking him around like a toy!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Hershelsdeals on February 25, 2016, 09:42:56 PM
Rubio is beating Trump to a pulp. Smacking him around like a toy!
Trump is still doing well regardless
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 09:44:26 PM
Trump is still doing well regardless
totally disagree. He sounded like a fool on healthcare. Finally someone called him out.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 25, 2016, 09:44:38 PM
Rubio is beating Trump to a pulp. Smacking him around like a toy!
A little late in the game but we'll see where it takes him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 09:45:35 PM
Get Ben Carson and Kasick outta here. They're ruining the boxing match. I wanna see Tyson and Holyfield. LEAVE!!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 09:50:42 PM
Why do moderaters always butt in in the heat of debates? Let 'em fight!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 25, 2016, 09:52:18 PM
Why do moderaters always butt in in the heat of debates? Let 'em fight!
If they let 'em fight they won't get off the same topic. At least we get to see them fight over many more issues.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 09:52:55 PM
Bathroom break: Kasich is talking
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: dovy2 on February 25, 2016, 09:53:22 PM
totally disagree. He sounded like a fool on healthcare. Finally someone called him out.
+1
Seems like Rubio and cruz preplanned this debate
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 10:14:02 PM
Kasich again. My G-D!  Drop out!!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 25, 2016, 10:16:37 PM
The candidates didn't mention anything about the thousands of stabbings. It's so underreported in the media, I don't know if they even know about it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on February 25, 2016, 10:17:47 PM
The candidates didn't mention anything about the thousands of stabbings. It's so underreported in the media, I don't know if they even know about it.
+1
Cruz kept talking about suicide belts...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 25, 2016, 10:30:34 PM
Seems like Rubio stands a chance to square off with Hillary in a debate, at last...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on February 25, 2016, 11:19:17 PM
anywhere to watch online?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 25, 2016, 11:58:58 PM
anywhere to watch online?
CNN.com
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Moshe123 on February 26, 2016, 01:03:28 AM
Rubio did an amazing job.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 26, 2016, 01:04:43 AM
Rubio did an amazing job.
+1000
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on February 26, 2016, 01:07:54 AM
If Trump survives this, he's gonna be president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on February 26, 2016, 02:44:44 AM
Ironic how a few non-Jews fighting on who is more pro Israel.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on February 26, 2016, 12:54:51 PM
What an idiot!
@KolHaolam: TEXAS: JUST IN - NJ Gov Chris Christie, now at a rally with Trump is expected to endorse Donald Trump for president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 26, 2016, 01:11:48 PM
What an idiot!
@KolHaolam: TEXAS: JUST IN - NJ Gov Chris Christie, now at a rally with Trump is expected to endorse Donald Trump for president.
Good VP choice for him IMO.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dawie on February 26, 2016, 01:27:53 PM
Good VP choice for him IMO.
Att'y General IMHO
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 26, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
Good VP choice for him IMO.
Really?  They both appeal to left wing republicans amd are known to be brash and loud. ... you usually pick a vp that will pick up a demographic you're not appealing to or a perceived weakness in your candidacy. Don't see how he does either
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 26, 2016, 03:24:50 PM
Really?  They both appeal to left wing republicans amd are known to be brash and loud. ... you usually pick a vp that will pick up a demographic you're not appealing to or a perceived weakness in your candidacy. Don't see how he does either
Ha, like Donald Trump is looking for someone to run with that's not like him...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on February 26, 2016, 03:26:05 PM
Ha, like Donald Trump is looking for someone to run with that's not like him...
So I misunderstood you then maybe you meant someone he might pick not someone that's good for him....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 26, 2016, 03:28:37 PM
So I misunderstood you then maybe you meant someone he might pick not someone that's good for him....
Haha point taken.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on February 28, 2016, 04:03:14 PM
ddf"rs im back, we are working very hard! hopefully i"ll have more time to spend on ddf after super tuesday
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on February 28, 2016, 06:24:38 PM
Does Trump have a chance of winning in Texas?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2016, 06:32:41 PM
Any serious GOPers should really be concerned about Google.

See: "The New Mind Control" by John Mauldin: http://www.mauldineconomics.com/outsidethebox/the-new-mind-control (http://www.mauldineconomics.com/outsidethebox/the-new-mind-control)
or:
https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-internet-flips-elections-and-alters-our-thoughts (https://aeon.co/essays/how-the-internet-flips-elections-and-alters-our-thoughts)

and:
http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/ (http://qz.com/520652/groundwork-eric-schmidt-startup-working-for-hillary-clinton-campaign/)

BTW, for those of us living in NY, the only way to possibly have any influence in the elections is to be registered democrat. As such, I am planning to vote for Sanders, since I think the only way the left gets elected in this country is by disguising their true positions. He seems to be an honest commie. ער מיינט דאס נעבאך מיט אן אמת.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: danrocks613 on February 28, 2016, 10:59:55 PM
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Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: danrocks613 on February 28, 2016, 11:00:38 PM
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Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 29, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
we got it danrocks613, we got it ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on February 29, 2016, 02:33:26 PM
 .
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on February 29, 2016, 09:50:21 PM
Is Christie trying to get a SCOTUS nomination from Obama now that Sandoval said no?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on March 01, 2016, 10:47:44 AM
Anyone wanna start a new super tuesday poll with all candidates?  I really wanna see the ddf results
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on March 01, 2016, 04:28:07 PM
trumps got 82 delegates... :o
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 01, 2016, 04:33:02 PM
trumps got 82 delegates... :o
???
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on March 01, 2016, 06:47:17 PM
???
whoops, i mistakenly thought these were the delegates he was awarded so far today.
this is how many he has altogether before polls close tonite
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 01, 2016, 11:48:10 PM
Bad super Tuesday... Basically back to square one.

But you know when the ball game is over and you have that one old gut still sitting in his seat cuz no one told him that it's game over already?
Ben Carson. Anyone?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 02, 2016, 12:00:56 AM
But you know when the ball game is over and you have that one old gut still sitting in his seat cuz no one told him that it's game over already?
Ben Carson. Anyone?
And what about Kasich? There must be some reason they're still in the race..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 02, 2016, 12:03:16 AM
And what about Kasich? There must be some reason they're still in the race..
Kasich at least said that he's waiting for the Ohio results to see where that takes him. At least he's got a plan. Not that that will do him any good IMO. Carson is sort of just sticking around to give people on the debate stage mussar...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 02, 2016, 12:32:57 AM
I suspect establishment wants them all to stick around at this point, so the vote keeps on splitting up- trump doesn't get enough to secure nomination= brokered convention
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2016, 07:51:08 AM
The 2 party system makes no sense.
If a guy like Rubio is polling the best in national general election polls, it's ridiculous that he can't get a chance to be president.
The whole moving to the right/left, for the primary, and then moving to the center for the general, is a dumb way to set up your political system, and may be what causes liars to become president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 02, 2016, 07:57:24 AM
and may be what causes liars to become president.
chill, Hillary isn't becoming president  :D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2016, 08:32:10 AM
chill, Hillary isn't becoming president  :D
At risk of getting slaughtered, I don't think Obama is a bad president.
But... He is a fat liar, and his promise that everyone will be able to keep their insurance with Obamacare is unforgivable, (I wasn't personally affected).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 08:51:03 AM
At risk of getting slaughtered, I don't think Obama is a bad president.
But... He is a fat liar, and his promise that everyone will be able to keep their insurance with Obamacare is unforgivable, (I wasn't personally affected).
Obama is a terrible President (but unfortunately so was W)

The one thing where a president has real influence is SCOTUS nominations.

If not for Roberts (a W nomination), we wouldn't have had Obamacare.

And as far as not being affected by Obamacare, I can't speak for other states (though I guess it is similar or the same) but the only ones unaffected by it are those that were previously on Medicaid!

Rush Limbaugh was right about Obamacare. It is a tactic on the way to single payor. They create something, it fails miserably, everyone's upset, and then it is "solved" with single payor.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on March 02, 2016, 09:18:01 AM
I suspect establishment wants them all to stick around at this point, so the vote keeps on splitting up- trump doesn't get enough to secure nomination= brokered convention
You think ppl like carson which practically have no chance of becoming president is just sticking aroung for other people and making a fool of himself?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2016, 09:32:44 AM


And as far as not being affected by Obamacare, I can't speak for other states (though I guess it is similar or the same) but the only ones unaffected by it are those that were previously on Medicaid!


ding ding ding!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 02, 2016, 09:34:01 AM

You think ppl like carson which practically have no chance of becoming president is just sticking aroung for other people and making a fool of himself?
Carson maybe not, But Kasich maybe yes, if he leaves now trump gets Ohio- big boost. I don't think that's what Kasich is thinking but perhaps that's why establishment isn't laying on immense pressure for him to get out..same for Cruz, if he's out, most of his votes go to trump.
They realize rubios best chance now is to keep dividing the delegates
In trumps words "Delay, delay, delay"
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 02, 2016, 09:36:33 AM

If not for Roberts (a W nomination), we wouldn't have had Obamacare.


Roberts is a conservative. Get over it. He was a great nomination.
He obviously believed that Obamacare WAS constitutional.

But the main reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because of moral issues, I trust Robert for that.

The other reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because they listen to Rush Limbaugh, bec. they have radios, and don't have TVs.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Matovu on March 02, 2016, 09:41:41 AM


The other reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because they listen to Rush Limbaugh, bec. they have radios, and don't have TVs.

+1
Amen
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 02, 2016, 09:44:06 AM

is because they listen to Rush Limbaugh, bec. they have radios, and don't have TVs.
I was wondering why Josh from Brooklyn and Harry from "freehold" had a distinct yeshiva accent :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 10:11:12 AM
Roberts is a conservative. Get over it. He was a great nomination.
He obviously believed that Obamacare WAS constitutional.

But the main reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because of moral issues, I trust Robert for that.

The other reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because they listen to Rush Limbaugh, bec. they have radios, and don't have TVs.
Roberts is a genius. and tends to be leaning conservative.

However, when it came to Obamacare, HE is the one that came up with "the mandate is a tax" argument, that the Obama administration lawyers didn't come up with.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 10:13:31 AM
The other reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because they listen to Rush Limbaugh, bec. they have radios, and don't have TVs.
It's called bias confirmation. Nothing to do with Radio or TV.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 02, 2016, 10:36:50 AM



The other reason why Orthodox Jews want conservative justices, is because they listen to Rush Limbaugh, bec. they have radios, and don't have TVs.


Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 02, 2016, 10:56:28 AM
chill, Hillary isn't becoming president  :D
You could do well betting. Check out Vegas' odds.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 02, 2016, 12:43:13 PM
Obama is a terrible President (but unfortunately so was W)

The one thing where a president has real influence is SCOTUS nominations.

If not for Roberts (a W nomination), we wouldn't have had Obamacare.

And as far as not being affected by Obamacare, I can't speak for other states (though I guess it is similar or the same) but the only ones unaffected by it are those that were previously on Medicaid!

Rush Limbaugh was right about Obamacare. It is a tactic on the way to single payor. They create something, it fails miserably, everyone's upset, and then it is "solved" with single payor.
Your forgetting foreign policy which is all the president....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 02, 2016, 03:07:26 PM
Just heard a radio ad for the upcoming debate. Part of the ad was "the losers will leave empty handed" and then played Carson's "Can someone please attack me"

ouch
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 02, 2016, 03:23:36 PM
Just heard a radio ad for the upcoming debate. Part of the ad was "the losers will leave empty handed" and then played Carson's "Can someone please attack me"

ouch
Well, didn't he ask to be attacked?  :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 04:04:38 PM
Your forgetting foreign policy which is all the president....
While Obama was able to do something about Cuba, the President does not have total free reign. Furthermore, many things change.

However a SCOTUS nomination can have a lasting effect for GENERATIONS!!!! That is what really matters when electing a president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 02, 2016, 04:05:33 PM
While Obama was able to do something about Cuba, the President does not have total free reign. Furthermore, many things change.

However a SCOTUS nomination can have a lasting effect for GENERATIONS!!!! That is what really matters when electing a president.
I'm talking about the disaster called the middle east not cuba
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 06:52:07 PM
I'm talking about the disaster called the middle east not cuba
The last US President to do good on middle east policy was Ronald Reagan. And his best move was checking out of town when the Israelis decided to bomb Beirut.

Unfortunately, the Israelis missed the opportunity and dug themselves into a huge mess.

Unless we can get Putin, I don't see any candidate doing any better than his predecessors.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 06:56:37 PM
I see that Google is reporting that the most searched term after Super Tuesday was "how to move to Canada" or something of the sort.

If that would be the outcome of a Trump presidency, he just earned my support. I would love to see all those that want the US to look like Canada (with it's newly elected socialist, tattooed, prime minister) to actually leave, and let the US go back to its founding principles.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on March 02, 2016, 06:59:55 PM

I see that Google is reporting that the most searched term after Super Tuesday was "how to move to Canada" or something of the sort.

If that would be the outcome of a Trump presidency, he just earned my support. I would love to see all those that want the US to look like Canada (with it's newly elected socialist, tattooed, prime minister) to actually leave, and let the US go back to its founding principles.
And you think Trump is the man to restore the "founding principles"?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 02, 2016, 07:06:28 PM
And you think Trump is the man to restore the "founding principles"?
Absolutely not! But I'd still be happy to get rid of those that don't care about this country.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 03, 2016, 12:13:41 AM
@KolHaolam: WASHINGTON: @lakewoodscoop reports that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney is considering a 3rd party run if Trump wins nomination.

He'll win with a landslide!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2016, 12:31:28 AM
@KolHaolam: WASHINGTON: @lakewoodscoop reports that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney is considering a 3rd party run if Trump wins nomination.

He'll win with a landslide!
Who?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Chapshnell on March 03, 2016, 12:33:12 AM
@KolHaolam: WASHINGTON: @lakewoodscoop reports that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney is considering a 3rd party run if Trump wins nomination.

He'll win with a landslide!

why wouldnt anyone do this? just hang around until late & run as an independent
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 03, 2016, 12:38:50 AM
Who?
Mitt, I've probably exaggerated but I believe he has a very good chance.

why wouldnt anyone do this? just hang around until late & run as an independent
Probably cause a lot of people have already set their mind whom they'll vote for and now you gotta convince them to change their minds.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 03, 2016, 12:49:20 AM
Mitt, I've probably exaggerated but I believe he has a very good chance.
Who does he appeal to???

If anyone can benefit as an independent it would be Bloomberg.

I will admit voting for him in the past despite a great dislike for his personality and a lot of his policies. He happened to be a very effective mayor, though in his last term he went wild and shoved down our throats a lot of his "progressive" agenda. He was the precursor to the current commie we have as mayor.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 11:46:25 AM
Had Romney spoken like this about Obama he would have been president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2016, 11:49:16 AM
I have to agree with Trump, out of everyone, the establishment took a R candidate who failed twice to Attack Trump.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on March 03, 2016, 12:00:53 PM
I have to agree with Trump, out of everyone, the establishment took a R candidate who failed twice to Attack Trump.


and they are destroying their own party  , vus me tit tit men far zich!!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 03, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
All politicians are, by definition, corrupt.

The few that seem to be honest, don't make it too far. Carson, Sanders, Cruz. (I know this is a GOP thread, by I think Sanders is pretty honest, though WAAAYYYY off with his policies).

The only form of government that has the potential, though no guarantee whatsoever, to be honest, is a מלך מבית דוד, and that's just because they were chosen. They still have (and had) בחירה חפשית to do wrong, as we see in נ"ך. But since they were chosen, the G-d given potential does exist for them to be honest, unlike any other form of government that was not chosen by the אויבערשטער.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 03, 2016, 12:15:32 PM
I have to agree with Trump, out of everyone, the establishment took a R candidate who failed twice to Attack Trump.
I wouldn't call it "failed", he had about 47% of the popular votes,
If anyone "failed" it's the 53% of the people who voted for Obama,

Listen, if the American people or so dumb that such a disastrous person as Trump is leading in the race then I anyone losses it doesn't necessarily mean he failed, it means he didn't appeal to the crazies out there (ie he didn't spray water while on stage, he didn't shout "turn off the lights" etc etc).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 12:23:08 PM
I wouldn't call it "failed", he had about 47% of the popular votes,
If anyone "failed" it's the 53% of the people who voted for Obama,
He failed because he could not effectively campaign against Obama. Had he been as aggressive with Obama as he was with his primary opponents he would have won. He gave in to the garbage of being nice to get the independent voters. We see now what gets thos voters to the polls.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 03, 2016, 01:18:50 PM
Just wondering, are there any existing polls of what would be the outcome had the race of Romney vs. Obama been today?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 03, 2016, 02:45:40 PM
He failed because he could not effectively campaign against Obama. Had he been as aggressive with Obama as he was with his primary opponents he would have won. He gave in to the garbage of being nice to get the independent voters. We see now what gets thos voters to the polls.


ALOL - you contend that the so called independent voters cast their votes for the candidate who is the most brusque and forceful, and yet you still think Romney has a shot running as an Independent? Do you really think he can beat Trump at his own game? Look at how pathetic Rubio comes across when he tries to be Trumpish
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 03:08:35 PM

ALOL - you contend that the so called independent voters cast their votes for the candidate who is the most brusque and forceful, and yet you still think Romney has a shot running as an Independent? Do you really think he can beat Trump at his own game? Look at how pathetic Rubio comes across when he tries to be Trumpish
What in the world makes you think that I think Romney has a shot as an independent? I don't think it has to do with forcefulness but honesty. They don't want to hear people afraid to say anything.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 03, 2016, 03:20:48 PM

ALOL - you contend that the so called independent voters cast their votes for the candidate who is the most brusque and forceful, and yet you still think Romney has a shot running as an Independent? Do you really think he can beat Trump at his own game? Look at how pathetic Rubio comes across when he tries to be Trumpish
Pathetic?!  ::)
He mocked trump on a magnitude no one before him has ever succeeded to achieve! Was it natural for him? Didn't seem like. But he really did it well.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 03, 2016, 03:37:28 PM
What in the world makes you think that I think Romney has a shot as an independent? I don't think it has to do with forcefulness but honesty. They don't want to hear people afraid to say anything.

This quote from you gave me that idea. Sounded like you were saying he could have attracted the independent voter base if he had ripped into Obama instead of playing nice and not saying the negative things that should have been said.

He failed because he could not effectively campaign against Obama. Had he been as aggressive with Obama as he was with his primary opponents he would have won. He gave in to the garbage of being nice to get the independent voters. We see now what gets thos voters to the polls.

ETA: Also the fact that your comment sounded like it was backing up Centro in the flow of the conversation
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 03, 2016, 03:40:02 PM
Pathetic?!  ::)
He mocked trump on a magnitude no one before him has ever succeeded to achieve! Was it natural for him? Didn't seem like. But he really did it well.


Well if you enjoyed it then I guess it raises him up in your eyes. I thought it was pathetic and immature. I wish Trump would take the high road when it's possible (and it usually is), but then if he did that he just wouldn't be Trump. Acting like Trump fits Rubio like a Chinese made Trump suit.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 03:43:18 PM



This quote from you gave me that idea. Sounded like you were saying he could have attracted the independent voter base if he had ripped into Obama instead of playing nice and not saying the negative things that should have been said.

1+1=999999?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 03, 2016, 03:47:36 PM
1+1=999999?

See my edit above
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on March 03, 2016, 06:08:54 PM
Whats behind this whole mitt Romney thingy? Is it his own mind talking or is he a messenger for a bigger republican committee message?  Any opinions?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 03, 2016, 06:46:29 PM

Well if you enjoyed it then I guess it raises him up in your eyes. I thought it was pathetic and immature. I wish Trump would take the high road when it's possible (and it usually is), but then if he did that he just wouldn't be Trump. Acting like Trump fits Rubio like a Chinese made Trump suit.
Trump take the high road? ? Haven't see him anywhere but the low road his entire campaign
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 03, 2016, 07:12:19 PM
Trump take the high road? ? Haven't see him anywhere but the low road his entire campaign

That's what makes him who he is. My point was that it doesn't suit Rubio.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2016, 07:40:24 PM
Whats behind this whole mitt Romney thingy? Is it his own mind talking or is he a messenger for a bigger republican committee message?  Any opinions?
The Republican establishment of course. Which leads me to believe Trump that some big corruption is going on in Washington and they are ready to commit suicide so Trump does not become President and covers everything up.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: theblakdavid on March 03, 2016, 08:26:07 PM
Now McCain backs up Romney. Unreal!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2016, 08:51:11 PM
Now McCain backs up Romney. Unreal!
What a bunch of losers....

Next up is G W Bush.

They don't realize that this is like what Happened in Egypt with the frogs.... The more you hit it the more frogs came out...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 03, 2016, 09:14:10 PM
What a bunch of losers....

Next up is G W Bush.

They don't realize that this is like what Happened in Egypt with the frogs.... The more you hit it the more frogs came out...

Yeah, maybe he can go on 60 Minutes again to try and give his brother another shot. He always was a little behind the times.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on March 03, 2016, 10:18:40 PM
I have new respect for kasich.  I think he is the only mature one on stage
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 03, 2016, 10:32:53 PM
I have new respect for kasich.  I think he is the only mature one on stage
+1 But he's just saying over and over every debate the same thing, what he did in Ohio.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 03, 2016, 10:55:37 PM
I have new respect for kasich.  I think he is the only mature one on stage
Nah, he's just a chicken, and a loser.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 03, 2016, 11:00:50 PM
+1 But he's just saying over and over every debate the same thing, what he did in Ohio.

And now saying it again OMG !!! >:(
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 03, 2016, 11:03:02 PM
And now saying it again OMG !!! >:(
Always, that's it he says, he's gonna use the formulas he used in washington and Ohio. GET HIM OUTTA HERE! (as trump says to protesters)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 03, 2016, 11:11:26 PM
Always, that's it he says, he's gonna use the formulas he used in washington and Ohio. GET HIM OUTTA HERE! (as trump says to protesters)
No! Hold on to him till after the Ohio primaries.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 11:15:55 PM
Kasich would end up the same story as Romney
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 03, 2016, 11:16:59 PM
Kasich would end up the same story as Romney
Huh?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 11:21:16 PM
Huh?
If he would be the nominee. He would refrain from doing what he needs to beat Hillary.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 03, 2016, 11:23:14 PM
So what do you guys think? Did Trump answer the questions? Did he have a good night?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 03, 2016, 11:24:51 PM
Kasich would end up the same story as Romney
If he would be the nominee. He would refrain from doing what he needs to beat Hillary.
I repeat myself:
...till after the Ohio primaries.
Just to avoid trump from getting that state. His job is done and he can go wherever he wants thereafter.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 03, 2016, 11:45:01 PM
Over this week a came up with the first semi-rational reason I was able to think of for why someone would vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the establishment or anything of the sort. This country is being overrun by a cancer call political correctness. The PC police make people scared to say anything because it may offend someone. We have seen people destroyed simply due to a political opinion that some groups called discriminatory. People feel that Trump is the chemotherapy for this cancer. He may end up being a horrible president, but no one ever saidchemo is pleasant. His bad p[olicies can be reversed by future presidents but if we lost our freedom of expression we lost our country.

ETA: I personally would probably support Cruz, but I finally came up with some reason why someone would vote for Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Moshe123 on March 03, 2016, 11:55:10 PM
Anyone who supports Trump is either a kook or a vile racist.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 03, 2016, 11:58:41 PM
So what do you guys think? Did Trump answer the questions? Did he have a good night?

Didn't have a great night, but his supporters are stubborn and time will tell whether his inability to answer many of the questions posed to him will have any impact on his standing.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 04, 2016, 12:01:31 AM
So what do you guys think? Did Trump answer the questions? Did he have a good night?
It doesn't really matter cause his supporters will support him no matter what, proof? They're still supporting him!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 04, 2016, 12:04:32 AM
Over this week a came up with the first semi-rational reason I was able to think of for why someone would vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the establishment or anything of the sort. This country is being overrun by a cancer call political correctness. The PC police make people scared to say anything because it may offend someone. We have seen people destroyed simply due to a political opinion that some groups called discriminatory. People feel that Trump is the chemotherapy for this cancer. He may end up being a horrible president, but no one ever saidchemo is pleasant. His bad p[olicies can be reversed by future presidents but if we lost our freedom of expression we lost our country.

ETA: I personally would probably support Cruz, but I finally came up with some reason why someone would vote for Trump.
Meh, there is no rational reason to support Trump. It's all emotional connection. And that's the biggest reason why people like him have support. Obama was a similar story.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 04, 2016, 12:06:17 AM
It doesn't really matter cause his supporters will support him no matter what, proof? They're still supporting him!
On the last debate he had a really terrible night (in my opinion) I was sure then that his polls gonna drop but it never happened.  I guess your are right..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 04, 2016, 12:09:08 AM
This was posted in the NYT on  1922.  Sounds similar to trump.  (please don't jump on me,  I'm not comparing him to hitler)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on March 04, 2016, 12:18:30 AM
Anyone who supports Trump is either a kook or a vile racist.
then we got many of them in this country
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Moshe123 on March 04, 2016, 12:33:35 AM
then we got many of them in this country

Oh yeah
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 04, 2016, 12:45:44 AM
Very pareve night for Trump. On the one hand he was on the defense most of the time which is no good; but on the other hand he actually did answer some of the questions with some substance.

Rubio IMO did not do too well. He seemingly got the impression by the last debate that without bullying he won't get much, so this time he went to the extreme opposite and only bullied and only screamed over others talking. I feel that he was lacking the balance of laying out policies and attacking others at the same time. It's a shame. Besides for the fact that he looked a little under the weather and somewhat stressed out.

Kasich did do pretty well. Of course he had he two-line repeat which he voiced over and over but in between he did speak some tachlis. Way too late in the game though.

Cruz also had a pareve night, no gains and no losses. He did have the balance that Rubio lacked.

Carson was the biggest winner. There wasn't a single question that was posed to him that we didn't get a clear, concise and satisfying answer...

The audience were the biggest losers of the night. It was somewhat a waste of time and more booing than cheering. I was sickening, especially with guys from the audiences shouting so many times.

Fox had a brutal night. In my opinion they were the biggest attackers and bullies of the show. They basically only posed sticky questions and putting candidates on the defense. Very little substance on their end.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 04, 2016, 12:54:56 AM
Dismissing Trump's support as a bunch of kooks is dangerous.
It's ignoring the fact that this guy is winning big.

It's a mixture of Americans being so obsessed with celebrities, and getting scammed by a big talker. (And pure racists)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 04, 2016, 12:55:02 AM
Savage is right- enough of these debates, they are ridiculous, lacking substance and a general waste of time.
A much more informative way to do this would be to present the same policy questions privately to each candidate, and then air them all together, so people can get a clear picture of who each candidate is and what they truly represent.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 04, 2016, 01:00:08 AM
I must say that Megan Kelly was really nice to trump,  although she could of attacked him much worse.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 04, 2016, 01:01:37 AM
I must say that Megan Kelly was really nice to trump,  she could of attacked him much worse.
-1
Those three video excerpts were terrible as well as other questions of the sort.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 04, 2016, 01:38:20 AM
-1
Those three video excerpts were terrible as well as other questions of the sort.
Not true. This is what a debate is all about. She asked a fair question and Trump did really well in his answer.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 04, 2016, 01:43:41 AM
Not true. This is what a debate is all about. She asked a fair question and Trump did pretty well in his answer.
FTFY
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 04, 2016, 02:35:16 AM
Dismissing Trump's support as a bunch of kooks is dangerous.
It's ignoring the fact that this guy is winning big.

It's a mixture of Americans being so obsessed with celebrities, and getting scammed by a big talker. (And pure racists)
Trump is exactly what Obama and Sanders are: a populist!

Populism is extremely dangerous, as it's success rides on rhetoric rather than substance. Populism is the double edged sword of democracy, and has brought to power destructive leaders (or people of influence) around the world, to name a few (in no specific order): Obama, Hitler, Chavez, Lapid (Sr. & Jr.),  Morsi.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 04, 2016, 08:18:36 AM


Very pareve night for Trump. On the one hand he was on the defense most of the time which is no good; but on the other hand he actually did answer some of the questions with some substance.

Rubio IMO did not do too well. He seemingly got the impression by the last debate that without bullying he won't get much, so this time he went to the extreme opposite and only bullied and only screamed over others talking. I feel that he was lacking the balance of laying out policies and attacking others at the same time. It's a shame. Besides for the fact that he looked a little under the weather and somewhat stressed out.

Kasich did do pretty well. Of course he had he two-line repeat which he voiced over and over but in between he did speak some tachlis. Way too late in the game though.

Cruz also had a pareve night, no gains and no losses. He did have the balance that Rubio lacked.

Carson was the biggest winner. There wasn't a single question that was posed to him that we didn't get a clear, concise and satisfying answer...

The audience were the biggest losers of the night. It was somewhat a waste of time and more booing than cheering. I was sickening, especially with guys from the audiences shouting so many times.

Fox had a brutal night. In my opinion they were the biggest attackers and bullies of the show. They basically only posed sticky questions and putting candidates on the defense. Very little substance on their end.
I agree on your assessment of kasich and Rubio.
Not so much Trump and Cruz.

Can you point to one substantive answer that Trump gave.
I thought Cruz had his best night by far and except for few occasions landed good attacks on Trump while not looking like a 3rd grader.
On a separate note. This debate was a new level of childish. At one point I would have left the stage if I was a candidate. And they really should not allow the crowd to cheer or boo it jusf makes the entire thing feel like a game show
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 04, 2016, 08:26:19 AM
The only way I can u derstand why Trump is doing so well is that Democrats are voting for him. They realize that his nomination is their best path to winning the white house. It would also explain why there were so many new "republican" voters.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 04, 2016, 11:06:49 AM
-1
Those three video excerpts were terrible as well as other questions of the sort.

Do you really believe that it's unfair to confront a candidate with a video of themselves?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 04, 2016, 01:44:53 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CctsZ3fVAAA3M-T.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 04, 2016, 03:37:03 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CctsZ3fVAAA3M-T.jpg)

That's a little bit cute. Let's do more.

Obama: We HOPE we can change it.
Rubio: Only if we get someone with big hands we can change it
Cruz: Praise the lord and pray that he gives us the strength to change it
Kasich: Let's remain positive about the situation with the lightbulb
Sanders: Why do rich people have all the working lightbulbs? Go get a new one from their house
Clinton: I never said anything about killing lightbulbs. This is a vast right wing conspiracy
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 04, 2016, 03:39:28 PM
That's a little bit cute. Let's do more.

Obama: We HOPE we can change it.
Rubio: Only if we get someone with big hands we can change it
Cruz: Praise the lord and pray that he gives us the strength to change it
Kasich: Let's remain positive about the situation with the lightbulb
Sanders: Why do rich people have all the working lightbulbs? Go get a new one from their house
Clinton: I never said anything about killing lightbulbs. This is a vast right wing conspiracy
I think the funniest is Sanders if you read it with his voice.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 04, 2016, 03:43:07 PM
That's a little bit cute. Let's do more.

Obama: We HOPE we can change it.
Rubio: Only if we get someone with big hands we can change it
Cruz: Praise the lord and pray that he gives us the strength to change it
Kasich: Let's remain positive about the situation with the lightbulb
Sanders: Why do rich people have all the working lightbulbs? Go get a new one from their house
Clinton: I never said anything about killing lightbulbs. This is a vast right wing conspiracy
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 04, 2016, 03:48:24 PM
Now that Carson sees "no political path forward" can we have the 2 people that voted for him in the poll recast their votes so we can have an updated poll based on the smaller field?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 05, 2016, 10:40:30 PM
Solid night for Cruz
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 05, 2016, 10:59:57 PM
Recommended read http://www.mauldineconomics.com/frontlinethoughts/a-little-chaos-is-a-good-thing (http://www.mauldineconomics.com/frontlinethoughts/a-little-chaos-is-a-good-thing)

I really think this boils down to the convention, and will get really interesting.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 06, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
Instead of siccing Romney on Trump the GOP establishment should be doing whatever they can to stop Rubio's campaign. 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: theblakdavid on March 06, 2016, 02:05:10 AM
Instead of siccing Romney on Trump the GOP establishment should be doing whatever they can to stop Rubio's campaign.
There's no need for that. He has no real chance of getting enough delegates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 06, 2016, 02:16:03 AM
There's no need for that. He has no real chance of getting enough delegates.
At least he's securing some delegates from Trump (as Romney advised).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 06, 2016, 06:57:32 AM
At least he's securing some delegates from Trump (as Romney advised).
He's probably securing more from Cruz than Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 06, 2016, 08:20:36 AM
At least he's securing some delegates from Trump (as Romney advised).
Romney did not advise taking votes in states he can't win.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 06, 2016, 08:40:30 AM
He's probably securing more from Cruz than Trump.
FL is a winner takes all and I don't think Cruz has a chance there even if Rubio pulls out so he's probably better off with Rubio even until FL if Rubio can win it
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 07, 2016, 08:42:11 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 07, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
👍👍👍
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on March 07, 2016, 10:20:50 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
Perfect, especially since I read it in his voice :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 07, 2016, 10:32:17 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
""
That was excellent!

Perfect, especially since I read it in his voice :)
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Willie on March 07, 2016, 10:42:21 AM
When will the GOP stop idolizing Rubio.... Do they not realize that its only hurting him
He should drop out so there is a chance to beat Clinton in the general... The GOP is causing a mixup in the party because they are scared they will lose power if either Cruz or Trump is elected, but obviously thats what the people want... We can not afford another term of liberal ideas
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 07, 2016, 10:49:16 AM

Perfect, especially since I read it in his voice :)

That was excellent!
+1
That's all what trump/drumpf says in all of his speeches.. go figure out why most people vote for him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 07, 2016, 11:44:38 AM
When will the GOP stop idolizing Rubio.... Do they not realize that its only hurting him
He should drop out so there is a chance to beat Clinton in the general... The GOP is causing a mixup in the party because they are scared they will lose power if either Cruz or Trump is elected, but obviously thats what the people want... We can not afford another term of liberal ideas
You are assuming that it is more important to them that they win in Nov than that they keep power.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 07, 2016, 01:39:21 PM
That's all what trump/drumpf says in all of his speeches.. go figure out why most people vote for him.
Oilem Goilem!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 07, 2016, 02:18:29 PM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
;D ;D ;D ;D
ROFL
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 07, 2016, 02:54:06 PM
You are assuming that it is more important to them that they win in Nov than that they keep power.
+1
More likely positioning for 2020/2024
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 07, 2016, 03:03:01 PM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
Actually, when you review the question and answer carefully you will see that the answer is accurate.

If the question would have been "how much is 2+2" the answer would have been a short and sweet "4". Alas the question posed was "WHAT is 2+2?" To which Mr Trump gave his genius and insightful answer (which proves he is worthy of the highest office of the land).

(In response to inquiries posed to Trump's campaign manager)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 07, 2016, 03:37:21 PM
Actually, when you review the question and answer carefully you will see that the answer is accurate.

If the question would have been "how much is 2+2" the answer would have been a short and sweet "4". Alas the question posed was "WHAT is 2+2?" To which Mr Trump gave his genius and insightful answer (which proves he is worthy of the highest office of the land).

(In response to inquiries posed to Trump's campaign manager)
That's incredible.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 07, 2016, 03:42:59 PM
I'll just leave this here

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 07, 2016, 06:29:21 PM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

Find me a politician that does answer a question. Come on. Look at the recent Democrat debate where Hillary decided to answer a totally different question than the one that was being asked. Think about what Rubio would say to this question, "Well first of all....", as he does to every single question he's asked. It's called obfuscating.

I'm not pro-Trump at all, but it's just stupid how ironic all the attacks on him are getting. It's either something childish (ala Rubio), something akin to Godwin's Law (ala Democratic pundits), or something that applies to the person doing the criticism just as much as it does to Trump (ala this type of attack, the lightbulb, saying he repeats himself, etc. etc.).

Then on top of that you have subversive attacks by Google which are shocking - if you search for Donald Trump under news the only results you will get are for comedians making jokes about him, university students making AI twitter accounts to imitate him, or articles telling us that Republicans all agree that if Trump wins it will destroy their party. Not one piece of credible journalism on his actual campaign.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 07, 2016, 07:01:35 PM


Not one piece of credible journalism on his actual campaign.
Where would you find one? Do they exist?

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 07, 2016, 07:21:17 PM
Where would you find one? Do they exist?

What's that? Credible journalism? Or specifically on his campaign?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 07, 2016, 07:38:23 PM
What's that? Credible journalism? Or specifically on his campaign?
Credible journalism on his campaign
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 07, 2016, 08:05:25 PM
Bloomberg is out. He doesn't belive he will help out not getting Trump president, and seems to infer he's fine with Hillary.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-03-07/the-2016-election-risk-that-michael-bloomberg-won-t-take
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 07, 2016, 08:40:11 PM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
And all these years I've been thinking 1+1 is where it's all at...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 07, 2016, 08:40:39 PM
Bloomberg is out. He doesn't belive he will help out not getting Trump president, and seems to infer he's fine with Hillary.
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-03-07/the-2016-election-risk-that-michael-bloomberg-won-t-take
He's a long time Clinton supporter.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 07, 2016, 08:42:27 PM
And all these years I've been thinking 1+1 is where it's all at...
Well, your location is not posted, but any child and adult in my neighborhood knows that 2 plus 2 is 5!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 07, 2016, 08:47:10 PM
#drumpf
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 08, 2016, 09:00:28 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."

See this article (http://www.attn.com/stories/6407/george-takei-impersonates-donald-trump) for an interesting analysis of this as well as the video below.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on March 08, 2016, 09:20:38 PM
 :'( :'( :o , do u guys think i should drop out?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 08, 2016, 09:24:04 PM
:'( :'( :o , do u guys think i should drop out?
No, not yet. It will help Cruz. Wait until Trump wins Ohio and Florida!

Great night for trump so far!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 08, 2016, 10:10:22 PM
No, not yet. It will help Cruz. Wait until Trump wins Ohio and Florida!

Great night for trump so far!
You like trump?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 08, 2016, 10:10:49 PM
:'( :'( :o , do u guys think i should drop out?
Don't see how you can justify staying in
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 08, 2016, 11:02:59 PM
You like trump?
Yes I do.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 08, 2016, 11:05:00 PM
:'( :'( :o , do u guys think i should drop out?
Definitely try to change your username...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 08, 2016, 11:14:05 PM

Yes I do.
What about him appeals to you?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 08, 2016, 11:43:44 PM
What about him appeals to you?
The fact that the establishment hates him. They hate him more than they hate ISIS.

Just watch the Romney speech. It seriously stinks!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 08, 2016, 11:49:29 PM

The fact that the establishment hates him. They hate him more than they hate ISIS.

Just watch the Romney speech. It seriously stinks!
Cut your nose off to spite your face? Or do you think he'll actually make a good president?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 09, 2016, 12:09:35 AM
Cut your nose off to spite your face? Or do you think he'll actually make a good president?
Yes, I think he will be a great President. And I have 0 problem with the fact that he does not have a plan laying around for and ONE reason, "show me one president who kept what he promised while he was running" this who gesheft is political corruption! I mean how in the world can you have a plan when you are not sitting in the Oval Office?  The answer is that the all talk no action politicians don't plan on delivering anything anyway, so they talk away. Trump understands that he does not have the experience and he says it over and over that he is going to pick a team and that is why I support him. But we need him because he is the only one who is going to do what is needed without fear of the super packs in regards to put a stop in spending billions of dollars for pharmaceutical, research groups, unnecessary military equipment and so on, and is the only one who is not afraid to say I will ban Muslims which is something we absolutely need.  Trust me, there is a reason why the establishment is fighting tooth and nail to see him out. Not because they think he is not a good candidate, it is because they are going to lose all their special interest supporters! Wake up and smell the coffee! Our government is corrupt.

I am still nauseous from Romney's political correct speech. It stunk so badly. Seriosly! What is the establishment thinking? They see people are fat up from them and they just add salt to the wounds by sending Romney give that speech. In fact that speech only helped Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 09, 2016, 01:53:39 AM
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.
Trump again after a week of brutal attacks STILL pulls off a huge victory in 3/4 states!!!

I still have your words marked FWIW.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on March 09, 2016, 04:28:43 AM
What's the delegate count so far ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: theblakdavid on March 09, 2016, 06:10:28 AM
What's the delegate count so far ?
(http://)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 09, 2016, 07:59:30 AM
Yes, I think he will be a great President. And I have 0 problem with the fact that he does not have a plan laying around for and ONE reason, "show me one president who kept what he promised while he was running" this who gesheft is political corruption! I mean how in the world can you have a plan when you are not sitting in the Oval Office?  The answer is that the all talk no action politicians don't plan on delivering anything anyway, so they talk away. Trump understands that he does not have the experience and he says it over and over that he is going to pick a team and that is why I support him. But we need him because he is the only one who is going to do what is needed without fear of the super packs in regards to put a stop in spending billions of dollars for pharmaceutical, research groups, unnecessary military equipment and so on, and is the only one who is not afraid to say I will ban Muslims which is something we absolutely need.  Trust me, there is a reason why the establishment is fighting tooth and nail to see him out. Not because they think he is not a good candidate, it is because they are going to lose all their special interest supporters! Wake up and smell the coffee! Our government is corrupt.

I am still nauseous from Romney's political correct speech. It stunk so badly. Seriosly! What is the establishment thinking? They see people are fat up from them and they just add salt to the wounds by sending Romney give that speech. In fact that speech only helped Trump.
So basically you want him bc he says he doesn't know anything and will pick a team. Oh and he supposedly won't be beholden to lobbiyists (though he essentially was one his while life ). That's a tremendous leap of faith your taking to hand some one the keys to the most powerful position in the world.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 09:13:09 AM
Yes, I think he will be a great President. And I have 0 problem with the fact that he does not have a plan laying around for and ONE reason, "show me one president who kept what he promised while he was running" this who gesheft is political corruption! I mean how in the world can you have a plan when you are not sitting in the Oval Office?  The answer is that the all talk no action politicians don't plan on delivering anything anyway, so they talk away. Trump understands that he does not have the experience and he says it over and over that he is going to pick a team and that is why I support him. But we need him because he is the only one who is going to do what is needed without fear of the super packs in regards to put a stop in spending billions of dollars for pharmaceutical, research groups, unnecessary military equipment and so on, and is the only one who is not afraid to say I will ban Muslims which is something we absolutely need.  Trust me, there is a reason why the establishment is fighting tooth and nail to see him out. Not because they think he is not a good candidate, it is because they are going to lose all their special interest supporters! Wake up and smell the coffee! Our government is corrupt.

I am still nauseous from Romney's political correct speech. It stunk so badly. Seriosly! What is the establishment thinking? They see people are fat up from them and they just add salt to the wounds by sending Romney give that speech. In fact that speech only helped Trump.
He will pick a team? What kind of team? Are you sure it will be a team with the priorities you want?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Moshe123 on March 09, 2016, 09:35:35 AM
Yes, I think he will be a great President. And I have 0 problem with the fact that he does not have a plan laying around for and ONE reason, "show me one president who kept what he promised while he was running" this who gesheft is political corruption! I mean how in the world can you have a plan when you are not sitting in the Oval Office?  The answer is that the all talk no action politicians don't plan on delivering anything anyway, so they talk away. Trump understands that he does not have the experience and he says it over and over that he is going to pick a team and that is why I support him. But we need him because he is the only one who is going to do what is needed without fear of the super packs in regards to put a stop in spending billions of dollars for pharmaceutical, research groups, unnecessary military equipment and so on, and is the only one who is not afraid to say I will ban Muslims which is something we absolutely need.  Trust me, there is a reason why the establishment is fighting tooth and nail to see him out. Not because they think he is not a good candidate, it is because they are going to lose all their special interest supporters! Wake up and smell the coffee! Our government is corrupt.

I am still nauseous from Romney's political correct speech. It stunk so badly. Seriosly! What is the establishment thinking? They see people are fat up from them and they just add salt to the wounds by sending Romney give that speech. In fact that speech only helped Trump.

You are nuts.

I'm going to vote for Hillary the crook over Donald the fascist.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 09, 2016, 09:50:50 AM

You are nuts.

I'm going to vote for Hillary the crook over Donald the fascist.
I don't think he is a fascist, his bark is a lot harsher then his bite.
I agree that he's not a true partisan conservative but I don't think he is a liberal either.
I think he believes in common sense (almost said common core lol), and that's his true political standing.
It just so happens to be that many common sense policies are in line with the republican side of the aisle. But on occasion when the Dems are the ones with the common sense he may agree with them.
This is why he flip flops sometimes because unbiased common sense opinions tend to evolve.
It's the same reason why he's not giving clear cut policies on many issues, it's because he doesn't have them yet, he is not checking off a list of partisan views he is supposed to be having, he will wait until he is in the Oval Office and see all the facts and variable and make the common sense decisions then.
He should really be starting a new party called the "common sense party". (I would say CSP, but that's already reserved for chase sapphire :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 09, 2016, 10:07:18 AM
I don't think he is a fascist, his bark is a lot harsher then his bite.
I agree that he's not a true partisan conservative but I don't think he is a liberal either.
I think he believes in common sense (almost said common core lol), and that's his true political standing.
It just so happens to be that many common sense policies are in line with the republican side of the aisle. But on occasion when the Dems are the ones with the common sense he may agree with them.
This is why he flip flops sometimes because unbiased common sense opinions tend to evolve.
It's the same reason why he's not giving clear cut policies on many issues, it's because he doesn't have them yet, he is not checking off a list of partisan views he is supposed to be having, he will wait until he is in the Oval Office and see all the facts and variable and make the common sense decisions then.
He should really be starting a new party called the "common sense party". (I would say CSP, but that's already reserved for chase sapphire :)
Common sense? U are being facetious?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2016, 10:24:38 AM
You are nuts.

I'm going to vote for Hillary the crook over Donald the fascist.
I beg to differ. You Sir, might be the one that is nuts. ;)

You are showing a location in NYC, and you really think your vote counts for anything in a general election?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 10:25:37 AM
Donald Trump answers the question: What is 2+2?
"I have to say a lot of people have been asking this question. No, really. A lot of people come up to me and they ask me. They say, 'What's 2+2'? And I tell them look, we know what 2+2 is. We've had almost eight years of the worst kind of math you can imagine. I can't believe it. Addition and subtraction of the 1s the 2s and the 3s. It's terrible. It's just terrible. Look, if you want to know what 2+2 is, do you want to know what 2+2 is? I'll tell you. First of all the number 2, by the way, I love the number 2. It's probably my favorite number, no it is my favorite number. You know what, it's probably more like the number two but with a lot of zeros behind it. A lot. If I'm being honest, I mean, if I'm being honest. I like a lot of zeros. Except for Marco Rubio, now he's a zero that I don't like. Though, I probably shouldn't say that. He's a nice guy but he's like, '10101000101,' on and on, like that. He's like a computer! You know what I mean? He's like a computer. I don't know. I mean, you know. So, we have all these numbers, and we can add them and subtract them and add them. TIMES them even. Did you know that? We can times them OR divide them, they don't tell you that, and I'll tell you, no one is better at the order of operations than me. You wouldn't believe it. So, we're gonna be the best on 2+2, believe me."
Some variations-but not nearly as good
Ben Carson
“Y’know what people really want is for someone who is just going to tell them the truth about 2+2 in a civilized manner. What people are sick and tired of is these Washington politicians who simply argue and bicker about 2+2. What I will do is just give the simple answer. 2+2=4”
 
Marco Rubio
“That is just another example of how Donald”  “Little Marco”  “Of how Donald just doesn’t have a” “Little Marco” “How he doesn’t have a plan. All he can say is how he will be the best on 2+2 but what will he do about 2+2? All he can say” “Of course we have a plan-It is the best plan” “So Donald, what is your plan?” “We are gonna add them” “That is all you can say? That isn’t a plan” “Little Marco”
 
Ted Cruz
“You see, this is the problem with Washington today! The math just doesn’t add up! We need to ensure that the math done in Washington is done properly and not by entrenched politicians. When Reagan did math it added up”
 
John Kasich
“Well I was the only one who actually did math with Ronald Reagan and actual made 2+2=4 and in Ohiotoday2+2 equals 4”
 
Hillary Clinton
“We need to be more inclusive in this country. As Secretary of State I fought not only for the 2s but also for the 1s and the 3s. We can’t discriminate against the non-even crowd! Why should they be called odd?” “I’ve already answered this so many times-There is no math in my emails at all. Anything that is not called math was only classified as math now but when I sent it they were only science”
 
Bernie Sanders
“This is a prime example of how our system is rigged! Why does 2+2 need to always equal 4 that is unfair to our middle class they also want to equal 4! Why can’t 3+3 equal 4!?”
 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 09, 2016, 10:41:28 AM
So basically you want him bc he says he doesn't know anything and will pick a team. Oh and he supposedly won't be beholden to lobbiyists (though he essentially was one his while life ). That's a tremendous leap of faith your taking to hand some one the keys to the most powerful position in the world.
I never said he is gonna be good? Who knows what he is gonna be? I said
The fact that the establishment hates him. They hate him more than they hate ISIS.

Just watch the Romney speech. It seriously stinks!
I can not give this corrupted politicians another chance!

I can not stand how billions of dollars in tax payers money are going to waste because the big companies OWN the politicians.

I don't think he is a fascist, his bark is a lot harsher then his bite.
I agree that he's not a true partisan conservative but I don't think he is a liberal either.
I think he believes in common sense (almost said common core lol), and that's his true political standing.
It just so happens to be that many common sense policies are in line with the republican side of the aisle. But on occasion when the Dems are the ones with the common sense he may agree with them.
This is why he flip flops sometimes because unbiased common sense opinions tend to evolve.
It's the same reason why he's not giving clear cut policies on many issues, it's because he doesn't have them yet, he is not checking off a list of partisan views he is supposed to be having, he will wait until he is in the Oval Office and see all the facts and variable and make the common sense decisions then.
He should really be starting a new party called the "common sense party". (I would say CSP, but that's already reserved for chase sapphire :)
Exactly why I am not afraid to hand him over the keys! The reason why he is flipping on issues is because unlike other politicians he will do whatever common sense will tell him and not be afraid of everyone calling him out on it!

For example, banning Muslims for a short time period and bringing back waterboarding etc to Terrorist who chop of heads is COMMON SENSE! But no politician would talk about it! 75% of R voters yesterday said that they are for the ban! C'mon don't sell me that they are all racist! They just have common sense.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 09, 2016, 10:46:01 AM
BTW I believe all those ads claiming Trump is a racist and he wants to ban all the Muslims etc etc is only getting him more votes,
A lot of people want those things to happen but they cannot say it out loud, now if they see that Trump us actually supporting those ideas they'll just vote for him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 09, 2016, 10:53:05 AM
I can not stand how billions of dollars in tax payers money are going to waste because the big companies OWN the politicians.


So instead you'll vote for the guy who was buying the politicians?

As an aside where do you think trump is going to get the Billion + dollars that it will take to compete in the general election?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on March 09, 2016, 10:56:18 AM


I can not stand how billions of dollars in tax payers money are going to waste because the big companies OWN the politicians.

You trust Donald Trump to shrink government more than Ted Cruz? The "establishment" hates him too.

Also, the analysis of Trump's policy statements to date will add 10+ trillion to the debt... Not exactly fiscally conservative...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 11:01:53 AM
I never said he is gonna be good? Who knows what he is gonna be? I said I can not give this corrupted politicians another chance!

I can not stand how billions of dollars in tax payers money are going to waste because the big companies OWN the politicians.

His issue is not with the cronyism but that the crony isn't him. By being president he will be the ultimate crony!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 09, 2016, 11:03:55 AM
So instead you'll vote for the guy who was buying the politicians?

As an aside where do you think trump is going to get the Billion + dollars that it will take to compete in the general election?
Not sure if he was buying the politicians or not, just because Cruz says so does not mean that I have to believe it.

But either way, here again is his common sense, I did not expect him being an idiot seeing everyone partying and he should stay out! But he saw what is going on, he did not like it, and that is why HE is here now to fight it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2016, 11:14:44 AM
You are nuts.

I'm going to vote for Hillary the crook over Donald the fascist.
Here's an interesting take:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/hillarys_inevitability_lie_why_the_media_and_party_elites_are_rushing_to_nominate_the_weakest_candidate/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/hillarys_inevitability_lie_why_the_media_and_party_elites_are_rushing_to_nominate_the_weakest_candidate/)

Being a Brooklynite, it's all just one big show, as my vote is not likely to count, but if Sanders survives until the NY Primaries, he's got my vote (not because I like or agree with any of his policies - Chas V'Sholom, but because I think that ultimately the USA will not elect an openly communist candidate).

I happened to be in the car for a few minutes yesterday, and heard a good insight from Rush Limbaugh: The Republican elites keep on saying that a real conservative (someone like Cruz) cannot win a general election, and we need someone that can bring in moderates and Dems, now they actually have someone like that in Trump, and they're all fighting against him, when he's exactly what they've been wishing for.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 09, 2016, 11:15:52 AM
Not sure if he was buying the politicians or not, just because Cruz says so does not mean that I have to believe it.

But either way, here again is his common sense, I did not expect him being an idiot seeing everyone partying and he should stay out! But he saw what is going on, he did not like it, and that is why HE is here now to fight it.
Man oh man you really think that's why he is running for president? Honestly?? The guy spent his whole life on 2 things his money and ego and all of a sudden he decided to give thar up and save the country?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 09, 2016, 11:18:03 AM
Here's an interesting take:
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/hillarys_inevitability_lie_why_the_media_and_party_elites_are_rushing_to_nominate_the_weakest_candidate/ (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/08/hillarys_inevitability_lie_why_the_media_and_party_elites_are_rushing_to_nominate_the_weakest_candidate/)

Being a Brooklynite, it's all just one big show, as my vote is not likely to count, but if Sanders survives until the NY Primaries, he's got my vote (not because I like or agree with any of his policies - Chas V'Sholom, but because I think that ultimately the USA will not elect an openly communist candidate).

I happened to be in the car for a few minutes yesterday, and heard a good insight from Rush Limbaugh: The Republican elites keep on saying that a real conservative (someone like Cruz) cannot win a general election, and we need someone that can bring in moderates and Dems, now they actually have someone like that in Trump, and they're all fighting against him, when he's exactly what they've been wishing for.
I heard him say that before and to b fair trump is not what the establishment ever wanted. Pretty ridiculous claim
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2016, 11:28:12 AM
I heard him say that before and to b fair trump is not what the establishment ever wanted. Pretty ridiculous claim
As the saying goes: "Be careful what you wish for, you might end up getting it"

The establishment DIDN'T want any real conservative, and WANTED someone that might get Dems to vote for him. That is exactly what Trump is, they wished for it, and they're getting it, but they're regretting it!

I actually think that Cruz vs Hillary or Cruz vs Sanders could both have Cruz win (though I think Cruz vs Sanders is much more dangerous/interesting, as both could energize the base in ways that even Obama didn't see). Ultimately, I think most of this country believes in real American values, rather than these "Progressive" "Socialist/Communist" values, but the way our Presidential election goes, it's not about the popular vote, so I really don't know how it might go.

I think Cruz vs Hillary, with the right campaign on Cruz's side, could be very nice and interesting, and possibly put this country back on track.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 11:50:44 AM
Not sure if he was buying the politicians or not, just because Cruz says so does not mean that I have to believe it.

He has said so himself many times
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on March 09, 2016, 12:02:34 PM
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Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 09, 2016, 12:13:18 PM

I don't think he is a fascist, his bark is a lot harsher then his bite.
I agree that he's not a true partisan conservative but I don't think he is a liberal either.
I think he believes in common sense (almost said common core lol), and that's his true political standing.
It just so happens to be that many common sense policies are in line with the republican side of the aisle. But on occasion when the Dems are the ones with the common sense he may agree with them.
This is why he flip flops sometimes because unbiased common sense opinions tend to evolve.
It's the same reason why he's not giving clear cut policies on many issues, it's because he doesn't have them yet, he is not checking off a list of partisan views he is supposed to be having, he will wait until he is in the Oval Office and see all the facts and variable and make the common sense decisions then.
He should really be starting a new party called the "common sense party". (I would say CSP, but that's already reserved for chase sapphire :)

“Whether it’s Republican or not Republican. I say common sense"

There it is in his own words.
וברוך שכוונתי.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
“Whether it’s Republican or not Republican. I say common sense"

There it is in his own words.
וברוך שכוונתי.


Big deal. Obama regularly calls his radical agenda "common sense proposals"
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 09, 2016, 12:17:26 PM

Big deal. Obama regularly calls his radical agenda "common sense proposals"
Only difference is that they are not actually common sense.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 09, 2016, 12:29:05 PM
Not sure if he was buying the politicians or not, just because Cruz says so does not mean that I have to believe it.

But either way, here again is his common sense, I did not expect him being an idiot seeing everyone partying and he should stay out! But he saw what is going on, he did not like it, and that is why HE is here now to fight it.
I wouldn't put it this way, he's running for one and only one reason and that is that he has had all the luxury and fun the world has to offer, he had it all, so now he wants to become POTUS just to satisfy his hunger for fame,

Now, to his luck our country is troublled in a lot of ways so he has what to offer to the American people (and he might actually try to solve them being he's bound to politicians and lobbyists),

The big question is, once he'll be sworn in and he'll achieve his goal to become the "President of the United States of America" will he still have any interest in fighting and fighting to fix our issues or he'll just enjoy his position and won't be willing to actually work hard,

After all he's not a patriotic politician who ever did anything for our country, he loves to enjoy life and fill his pockets.....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 12:33:19 PM
Only difference is that they are not actually common sense.
How will you know whether Trump's will be until he starts telling you what they are? Obama thinks they are common sense.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 09, 2016, 12:36:35 PM
How will you know whether Trump's will be until he starts telling you what they are? Obama thinks they are common sense.
And the few we know about like building a wall and have the Mexicans pay for it as great as it sounds is not common sense and he knows he never will do it
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 12:39:49 PM
And the few we know about like building a wall and have the Mexicans pay for it as great as it sounds is not common sense and he knows he never will do it
It just got bigger........

That is his only answer when someone asks how he will get them to pay for it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 09, 2016, 01:00:37 PM
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Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on March 09, 2016, 02:20:15 PM
How do people take this guy seriously?

http://twitchy.com/2016/03/09/fact-checks-of-trump-water-trump-steaks-trump-magazine-and-trump-wine/?utm_source=autotweet&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 09, 2016, 06:14:32 PM
I wouldn't put it this way, he's running for one and only one reason and that is that he has had all the luxury and fun the world has to offer, he had it all, so now he wants to become POTUS just to satisfy his hunger for fame,

Now, to his luck our country is troublled in a lot of ways so he has what to offer to the American people (and he might actually try to solve them being he's bound to politicians and lobbyists),

The big question is, once he'll be sworn in and he'll achieve his goal to become the "President of the United States of America" will he still have any interest in fighting and fighting to fix our issues or he'll just enjoy his position and won't be willing to actually work hard,

After all he's not a patriotic politician who ever did anything for our country, he loves to enjoy life and fill his pockets.....
Well said.
No one is ready to make himself look like a fool,  I don't care if he'll do it because of his loyalty to the American people or because he wants more attention but he'll have to show something for "we the people" ,  he has no choice but to build a wall otherwise he'll be a clown (if he's not yet)  the same is with other things,  he'll definitely try his best.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 10, 2016, 07:07:04 AM



As an aside where do you think trump is going to get the Billion + dollars that it will take to compete in the general election?
great point. How does everybody miss that step. He himself admits that for the general election he will be "changing gears" and will fund his campaign with political contributions.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 10, 2016, 08:20:54 AM
Surprised there is such a strong anti-Trump sentiment here.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 10, 2016, 09:31:29 AM
Surprised there is such a strong anti-Trump sentiment here.
Surprised anyone here likes him. Still can't get my head around the fact that he probably will be the Republican candidate
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 10, 2016, 09:32:46 AM
Surprised anyone here likes him. Still can't get my head around the fact that he probably will be the President of the United States.
FTFY :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 10, 2016, 09:35:55 AM
FTFY
Still don't believe that's possible but obviously I have been wrong until now
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 10, 2016, 09:44:51 AM
IMO best thing for trump is for Rubio and Kasich to win their states
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on March 10, 2016, 09:55:23 AM

IMO best thing for trump is for Rubio and Kasich to win their states
Better than him winning them?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 10, 2016, 09:56:33 AM

Better than him winning them?
Yes. Then they both stay in race and there will not be a unified challenge to trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 10, 2016, 11:45:50 AM
So what? He still won't be able to get enough delegates to win.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 10, 2016, 11:48:21 AM
Surprised there is such a strong anti-Trump sentiment here.
I have yet to hear him say anything of substance. Even his supporters only support him because of what he isnt not because of what he is.
Im suprised so many people here actaully support him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 10, 2016, 12:23:13 PM
I have yet to hear him say anything of substance. Even his supporters only support him because of what he says he isnt not because of what he is.
Im suprised so many people here actaully support him.

FTFY

What it really boils down to is that Trump supporters are voting for him because of emotions (Anger, feeling like a "winner") rather than because of what he will or won't do.

I also lean towards the "burn it all down" camp emotionally, but i know that that won't change/help anything.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on March 10, 2016, 12:27:38 PM
FTFY

What it really boils down to is that Trump supporters are voting for him because of emotions (Anger, feeling like a "winner") rather than because of what he will or won't do.

I also lean towards the "burn it all down" camp emotionally, but i know that that won't change/help anything.
That's exactly how Obama was voted in twice
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 10, 2016, 12:36:14 PM
FTFY

What it really boils down to is that Trump supporters are voting for him because of emotions (Anger, feeling like a "winner") rather than because of what he will or won't do.

I also lean towards the "burn it all down" camp emotionally, but i know that that won't change/help anything.
I lean that way too. Trump is not the guy to accomplish that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 10, 2016, 12:51:06 PM
So what? He still won't be able to get enough delegates to win.
+1
IMO best thing for trump is for Rubio and Kasich to win their states
-1

Will go to a brokered convention.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 10, 2016, 12:53:49 PM
John Adams actually tore in to Thomas Paine for this reason. Trump's burn it all down policy and slogans are pathetic.

My 21 year old cousin thinks trump is smart, this isnt a 5th grade bully fight.

Was LBJ, Nixon, Carter etc all presidential in how they acted and behaved ? why no.. but to counter that with 5th grade rhetoric and idiotic ego trips is lunacy!

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 10, 2016, 12:55:39 PM
Majority of Products Trump Boasted About Last Night No Longer Available (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/majority-products-trump-boasted-night-anymore/story?id=37524507)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 10, 2016, 01:07:33 PM
John Adams actually tore in to Thomas Paine for this reason. Trump's burn it all down policy and slogans are pathetic.

My 21 year old cousin thinks trump is smart, this isnt a 5th grade bully fight.

Was LBJ, Nixon, Carter etc all presidential in how they acted and behaved ? why no.. but to counter that with 5th grade rhetoric and idiotic ego trips is lunacy!

There was a reason why the "founding fathers" were scared to leave the power to elect a president in the hands of the people. I guess this was it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 10, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
Trump's burn it all down policy and slogans are pathetic.


I agree 100%. I was just explaining where I think his supporters are coming from.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 10, 2016, 02:50:25 PM
BTW no one has rationally approached the illegal immigrants debate.

The costs borne by illegal immigrants for say ER visits are balanced by a 6$ an hour laborer that is contrasted to a 15$ an hour unionized employee with all forms of workers comp, payroll taxes and expenses, insurance, legal liability's and on and on and on

Americans all too often squander their birthright, this is any thing from white privilege to black ghetto.

Free education, that the system of free education sucks is another debate... but the fact is that Americans have the opportunity to succeed, unless like me you never got a secular education ;) i'd say Chasidic kids are about as disadvantaged as a black kid in chicago ghetto but thats just my opinion

Trump and Sanders are sprouting a lot of smoke fire and bells and whistles and really no substance


Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 10, 2016, 05:17:57 PM
Who's projected to win Florida?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 10, 2016, 05:47:25 PM
..unless like me you never got a secular education ;) i'd say Chasidic kids are about as disadvantaged as a black kid in chicago ghetto but thats just my opinion
I beg to differ. The fact that you didn't waste your time and brainpower on secular education, is a HUGE advantage. Weather or not you got good Torah learning, or you just had a school and teachers that only cared about getting you through, rather than making sure you grow as a Yid, is a totally different question.

Trump and Sanders are sprouting a lot of smoke fire and bells and whistles and really no substance
Isn't that what politicians are supposed to do, especially during election cycles?

As for Sanders, I think he actually does have substance, the quality of that substance is highly questionable, but he seems like the most honest guy in this election cycle ער מיינט דאס, נעבאך, מיט אן אמת.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 10, 2016, 06:25:36 PM


As for Sanders, I think he actually does have substance, the quality of that substance is highly questionable, but he seems like the most honest guy in this election cycle ער מיינט דאס, נעבאך, מיט אן אמת.
+1 I find myself wishing that I could vote for him he is by far the most genuine candidate (at least he portrays that).  Too bad his ideas are so off from what I believe.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 10, 2016, 09:36:39 PM
Can Kasich please stop saying what he did in Iowa and Washington over and over and over that's the only thing he says every  debate
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 10, 2016, 09:38:08 PM
Can Kasich please stop saying what he did in the past over and over and over .  :o
That should be what this election is about- he actually accomplished things instead of just talking about them
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 10, 2016, 09:41:58 PM
That should be what this election is about- he actually accomplished things instead of just talking about them
Agreed, but there is only one accomplishment that he keeps touting and it is debatable if the credit is to him
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 10, 2016, 09:54:26 PM
Agreed, but there is only one accomplishment that he keeps touting and it is debatable if the credit is to him
Not really-he has a few things he touts and actually if they are true they are pretty impressive.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 10, 2016, 10:14:35 PM
Looks like Donald left his hearing aids home..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: bb1836 on March 10, 2016, 10:17:30 PM
by the way, how many times does Trump say by the way?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 10, 2016, 10:17:39 PM
Too bad his ideas are so off from what I believe.
FTFY

And that is PRECISELY why I would vote for him IN A PRIMARY, as I think that one cannot get elected POTUS with such Socialist/Communist positions, especially if you are perceived to be honest and actually follow through. (Though in a worst case scenario that he does get in, I think we would get Congress to move to the right, for proper counter balance, just like we got after Bill Clinton got elected).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 10, 2016, 11:29:07 PM
Any theories as to why Trump's campaign manager manhandling a reporter was not brought up in the debate?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 10, 2016, 11:59:01 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-campaign-speech-that-could-beat-clinton-this-fall/2016/03/10/dc3500e2-e6d8-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-trump-campaign-speech-that-could-beat-clinton-this-fall/2016/03/10/dc3500e2-e6d8-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html)

Good speech!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 11, 2016, 11:23:49 AM
How Trumpy are you?

http://trumpy.posthaven.com/trumpy-quiz
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 11, 2016, 12:29:56 PM
What happened to Carson not endorsing anyone?! I guess when you're offered a spot in the cabinet you'll endorse that person.

So much for "we the people".
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: username on March 11, 2016, 12:41:17 PM
“Can someone attack me, please.”
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 11, 2016, 12:52:41 PM
What happened to Carson not endorsing anyone?! I guess when you're offered a spot in the cabinet you'll endorse that person.

So much for "we the people".
That's politics for you.  Only thing that matters is political gain
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 11, 2016, 12:57:04 PM
What happened to Carson not endorsing anyone?! I guess when you're offered a spot in the cabinet you'll endorse that person.
I actually see it differently.

Carson is an honest guy, that believes he has good ideas and wants to have influence to put our country back on track.

If he's being offered an option to have that positive influence, that might be his mission accomplished, maybe even more so than if he were elected POTUS!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 11, 2016, 01:21:22 PM
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 11, 2016, 03:02:07 PM
I actually see it differently.

Carson is an honest guy, that believes he has good ideas and wants to have influence to put our country back on track.

If he's being offered an option to have that positive influence, that might be his mission accomplished, maybe even more so than if he were elected POTUS!
That line of reasoning can be used to defend anything.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 12, 2016, 09:56:43 PM
Is WY the first state where Trump came in third?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: regular on March 12, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
I actually see it differently.

Carson is an honest guy, that believes he has good ideas and wants to have influence to put our country back on track.

If he's being offered an option to have that positive influence, that might be his mission accomplished, maybe even more so than if he were elected POTUS!
nobody is that sincere
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: dovy2 on March 13, 2016, 12:01:55 AM
Is WY the first state where Trump came in third?
In Washington and Minnesota
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 13, 2016, 01:45:57 AM
Drumpf had a bad night tonight
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 01:56:38 AM
Drumpf had a bad night tonight
Seriosly?

I don't think anyone gives a damn for this thousand votes...

No on expected him to do well there..

Why did WY have such a tiny turnout?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 13, 2016, 03:01:04 AM
Seriosly?

I don't think anyone gives a damn for this thousand votes...

No on expected him to do well there..

Why did WY have such a tiny turnout?
It's not about the amount of votes, it's another few delegates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: nesanels7 on March 13, 2016, 10:44:13 AM
If and most probably when trump win the nomination vote for him or else you will be giving Hillary a half a vote!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 13, 2016, 10:48:08 AM


If and most probably when trump win the nomination vote for Hillary or else you will be giving Trump a half a vote!
FTFY, maybe. Who says Clinton is worse than Trump?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: nesanels7 on March 13, 2016, 10:55:00 AM
FTFY, maybe. Who says Clinton is worse than Trump?
B/c trump definitely is NOT going to raise taxes b/c then he'll mess over himself. But Hillary says strait out she'll raise taxes and run the country into the ground!! (aka - continue doing what obama was doing!)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: dovy2 on March 13, 2016, 12:10:51 PM
FTFY, maybe. Who says Clinton is worse than Trump?
everyone
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 13, 2016, 12:14:15 PM
The rabbi at my shul spoke this week.  Basically his message was that if Trump can figure out a way to kick out the children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens then he clearly doesn't care about the rights guaranteed by the constitution and who knows Jews could be next.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 13, 2016, 12:21:33 PM
The rabbi at my shul spoke this week.  Basically his message was that if Trump can figure out a way to kick out the children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens then he clearly doesn't care about the rights guaranteed by the constitution and who knows Jews could be next.
With all due respect I disagree.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 13, 2016, 12:22:35 PM
The rabbi at my shul spoke this week.  Basically his message was that if Trump can figure out a way to kick out the children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens then he clearly doesn't care about the rights guaranteed by the constitution and who knows Jews could be next.
Why would he do that? He never said he would deport American citizens.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 12:23:37 PM
The rabbi at my shul spoke this week.  Basically his message was that if Trump can figure out a way to kick out the children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens then he clearly doesn't care about the rights guaranteed by the constitution and who knows Jews could be next.
Wow, you Rabbi could not find ANYTHING else to so speak about..


There are people who for a few dollars will make up a speech for you... No reason to speak non sense and scare people.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 12:26:21 PM
Why would he do that? He never said he would deport American citizens.
And Trump never lied in his life? Can't beleive you all take Trumps word so seriously. Ever hear of Trump University? The guys lies staight out and couldn't care less.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 13, 2016, 12:33:33 PM
Wow, you Rabbi could not find ANYTHING else to so speak about..
He actually never speaks about politics.  He is just so concerned/passionate about this that he felt it needs mentioning.
I'm trying to decide if he is way off or I'm being like the jews in Europe in the 30's who were convinced nothing bad would ever happen.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 13, 2016, 12:35:08 PM
Wasn't there a mention of a NY Times article back from the 20s of how Hitler YM"SH had similar visions?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 13, 2016, 12:59:03 PM
FTFY, maybe. Who says Clinton is worse than Trump?


I will write on the assumption that you are political somewhat conservative because if you are a liberal the conversation doesn't start.

Hillary says that she would govern as a liberal. Trump says he will govern as a conservative. Hillary says she will nominate liberal justices Trump says he will nominate conservative justices etc etc.

Will Trump follow through on his word? Maybe yes maybe no, but Hillary will most likely at least try to follow through on hers.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 13, 2016, 01:55:28 PM
I will write on the assumption that you are political somewhat conservative because if you are a liberal the conversation doesn't start.

Hillary says that she would govern as a liberal. Trump says he will govern as a conservative. Hillary says she will nominate liberal justices Trump says he will nominate conservative justices etc etc.

Will Trump follow through on his word? Maybe yes maybe no, but Hillary will most likely at least try to follow through on hers.
I don't know. Clinton is a corrupt, lying, liberal. Trump is a nut job. It's the devil I know vs the devil I don't.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 13, 2016, 02:13:48 PM
I don't know. Clinton is a corrupt, lying, liberal. Trump is a nut job. It's the devil I know vs the devil I don't.
Yes, and that's most likely gonna be your choice in November.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sharkky on March 13, 2016, 02:22:12 PM
I dislike trump with a passion, but its pathetic to invoke Godwins law about him. Jews getting deported??!??      Seriously?!?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: nesanels7 on March 13, 2016, 02:33:59 PM
The rabbi at my shul spoke this week.  Basically his message was that if Trump can figure out a way to kick out the children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens then he clearly doesn't care about the rights guaranteed by the constitution and who knows Jews could be next.
He wont kick his daughter out
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 13, 2016, 02:50:16 PM
I dislike trump with a passion, but its pathetic to invoke Godwins law about him. Jews getting deported??!??      Seriously?!?
Used this,story as proof to how concerned we have have to be with anti semitism
http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-security-concern-due-to-divided-loyalties-1450310897
He wont kick his daughter out
Sounds good.  Either he will or he won't. I don't know
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 13, 2016, 05:00:04 PM
I don't know. Clinton is a corrupt, lying, liberal. Trump is a nut job. It's the devil I don't know vs the devil I don't.
FTFY

I wouldn't trust any of them. If she's a known corrupt liar, unless you are Bill Gates, Warren Buffet or anything close, you don't know what you will get.

I don't think either of them is a good choice, but I don't see myself ever voting for Clinton.

That being said, I live in NY, so my vote in the general election counts for nothing, so I won't lose sleep about my decision to just stay at home and not vote (in the primaries I might vote for Sanders, but any talk now is a total waste of time, we might be a lot smarter by Wednesday).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 13, 2016, 05:16:18 PM
The rabbi at my shul spoke this week.  Basically his message was that if Trump can figure out a way to kick out the children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens then he clearly doesn't care about the rights guaranteed by the constitution and who knows Jews could be next.
Wow, what a rabbi.
He has the insight  to perceive the real danger of a trump presidency, that his ultimate plan is to deport the jews.

Hope you at least had a good nap by his lecture.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 05:52:16 PM
FTFY

I wouldn't trust any of them. If she's a known corrupt liar, unless you are Bill Gates, Warren Buffet or anything close, you don't know what you will get.

I don't think either of them is a good choice, but I don't see myself ever voting for Clinton.

That being said, I live in NY, so my vote in the general election counts for nothing, so I won't lose sleep about my decision to just stay at home and not vote (in the primaries I might vote for Sanders, but any talk now is a total waste of time, we might be a lot smarter by Wednesday).
BTW some polls have Trump and Clinton head to head in NY so your vote may help.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 13, 2016, 05:57:26 PM
BTW some polls have Trump and Clinton head to head in NY so your vote may help.
November 8th is a long time from now. Many things can change.

One thing's for sure, this is the most INTERESTING AND UNPREDICTABLE election cycle of my lifetime. I've asked older people too (over 60!), and no-one remembers such an election cycle during their adult lifetime.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 13, 2016, 06:02:11 PM
November 8th is a long time from now. Many things can change.

One thing's for sure, this is the most INTERESTING AND UNPREDICTABLE election cycle of my lifetime. I've asked older people too (over 60!), and no-one remembers such an election cycle during their adult lifetime.
Also, I've never seen such a diverse group panicking about one candidate.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 06:12:17 PM
The point isn't what Trump will or won't do. The point is that once he starts kicking people out agaisnt the law what guarantee is there that the Jews won't be next?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on March 13, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
November 8th is a long time from now. Many things can change.

One thing's for sure, this is the most INTERESTING AND UNPREDICTABLE election cycle of my lifetime. I've asked older people too (over 60!), and no-one remembers such an election cycle during their adult lifetime.

I agree, and Obama is to blame for this circus.

Trump was created by Obama. If there was no Barack Obama, there would never be a Trump.

Every action has an equal or greater reaction. Obama railroaded Republicans and Conservatives for eight years. Got his way on Obamacare and Amnesty, got his way on raising the debt, escaped prosecution for Benghazi, Fast and Furious and reporter phone tapping, stoked racial tensions by siding with the Black Lives Matter animals who destroyed Ferguson when a cop defended himself against a big fat thug, and then criticised the police department for "racism", went around the world "apologizing" for America's "behavior" and signed an embarrassing "deal" with Iran.

ALL of this was done while the media sat there singing his praises and licking his boots. Never called him out or held him accountable for this. He treated Republicans as non-existent, and if there was something they disagreed with, he simply overrode them using executive action or using the media to gain support and make Republicans look like the "bad guys".

HALF of this country has had to endure this for eight years. It's no wonder that they will follow the most extreme, crazy, and outspoken candidate. Conservatives want revenge.

Bush created Obama, and Obama created Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 06:31:18 PM
Trump is Obama's dream candidate not his revenge.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 06:38:51 PM
Trump is Obama's dream candidate not his revenge.
Are you Ted Cruz or you just repeat what he is making up?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 13, 2016, 06:41:18 PM
The point isn't what Trump will or won't do. The point is that once he starts kicking people out agaisnt the law what guarantee is there that the Jews won't be next?
Who did he say he would kick out against the law?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 06:45:47 PM
Are you Ted Cruz or you just repeat what he is making up?
Trump just happens to be the only guy who loses to Hillary in all the polls. But he says he's gonna win so of course everyone believes him...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 06:47:13 PM
Who did he say he would kick out against the law?
children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on March 13, 2016, 06:50:11 PM
Trump is Obama's dream candidate not his revenge.

That's arguable. On the one hand he's so crazy that it's almost impossible to imagine him ever getting elected. On the other hand, if he does get elected, it will forever go down in history as Obama's creation.

Obama is already out there refuting claims that he is responsible for Trump. I think that speaks volumes.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 06:52:39 PM
Trump just happens to be the only guy who loses to Hillary in all the polls. But he says he's gonna win so of course everyone believes him...
What makes you believe the polls?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 06:58:21 PM
What makes you believe the polls?
What makes you believe Trump?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 07:03:19 PM
That's arguable. On the one hand he's so crazy that it's almost impossible to imagine him ever getting elected. On the other hand, if he does get elected, it will forever go down in history as Obama's creation.

Obama is already out there refuting claims that he is responsible for Trump. I think that speaks volumes.
Maybe so, but he is really the only one Hillary has a good chance of beating. Anyone else would probably crush her.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 13, 2016, 07:07:16 PM
children of illegal aliens who were born on u.s. Soil and therefore u.s. Citizens
Source?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 07:19:10 PM
What makes you believe Trump?
Because he is doing better than anyone ever projected?

Because he has massive crowds at his rallys?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 13, 2016, 07:24:54 PM
Go Trump!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 13, 2016, 07:30:12 PM
Go Trump!
http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mexico-treasury-secretary-trump-wall/
Maybe when they see how nice the wall looks they would pay for part of it. ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 13, 2016, 08:29:38 PM
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/republican-contention-chaos-213725
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 13, 2016, 08:32:53 PM
What makes you believe the polls?
Curious what your thoughts are on the protests. It's trump at all responsible?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 09:01:39 PM
Because he is doing better than anyone ever projected?

Because he has massive crowds at his rallys?

You could say exactly the same about Sanders. Imagine him winning?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on March 13, 2016, 09:13:41 PM
Curious what your thoughts are on the protests. It's trump at all responsible?

Protests are mainly a Liberal invention. You will very rarely find Conservatives protesting anything. Protesting requires attracting many ignorant people, most of whom don't have jobs. A family man or woman with a job and children doesn't have time to block off streets and stay up all night.

(There are rare exceptions, such as when Jews feel that Israel's security is threatened, they will make a special effort to show up and protest.)

Back to your question: have a look at some of the protest pictures. Note the sagging pants, the rotten teeth and the "hood-rat" dress, and tell me that the answer is not obvious.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 13, 2016, 09:25:17 PM
You could say exactly the same about Sanders. Imagine him winning?
What is the username you usually use?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 13, 2016, 10:17:07 PM
What is the username you usually use?
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What do you mean?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 13, 2016, 11:48:09 PM

Protests are mainly a Liberal invention. You will very rarely find Conservatives protesting anything. Protesting requires attracting many ignorant people, most of whom don't have jobs. A family man or woman with a job and children doesn't have time to block off streets and stay up all night.

(There are rare exceptions, such as when Jews feel that Israel's security is threatened, they will make a special effort to show up and protest.)

Back to your question: have a look at some of the protest pictures. Note the sagging pants, the rotten teeth and the "hood-rat" dress, and tell me that the answer is not obvious.
Remind me, who does the guy that sucker punched an anti Trumper support?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zale on March 14, 2016, 12:24:49 AM
Remind me, who does the guy that sucker punched an anti Trumper support?

What's your question exactly?

I stated that Liberals invented protests. Are you here to prove my point?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 14, 2016, 12:56:16 AM
Exactly why I'm not sure why Trump is so proud with having so many attendees at his rallies, they're all unemployed street people...
Shouldn't the unemployed street people be at Hillary's rally?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 14, 2016, 12:57:24 AM
Shouldn't the unemployed street people be at Sander's rally?
FTFY, and no, they like a circus.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 14, 2016, 11:04:47 AM
Because he is doing better than anyone ever projected?


In recent weeks Trump has actually been underperforming his polling numbers.

You may remember that conservatives have been burned recently by believing " the polls are skewed" (see 2012)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 14, 2016, 11:16:31 AM
BTW some polls of New York have Trump and Clinton head to head in parts of NY so your vote may help.

FTFY.

The only poll of the whole state that I know of shows Hillary crushing every Republican.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-big-new-york-state-poll-article-1.2555213
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 14, 2016, 11:29:07 AM
Protests are mainly a Liberal invention. You will very rarely find Conservatives protesting anything. Protesting requires attracting many ignorant people, most of whom don't have jobs. A family man or woman with a job and children doesn't have time to block off streets and stay up all night.

(There are rare exceptions, such as when Jews feel that Israel's security is threatened, they will make a special effort to show up and protest.)

Back to your question: have a look at some of the protest pictures. Note the sagging pants, the rotten teeth and the "hood-rat" dress, and tell me that the answer is not obvious.
I wasnt asking who invented protests (btw I think the reasoning probably has more to do with college age kids being liberal) I was asking if he felt trump was partially responsible for the violent nature of the protests
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 14, 2016, 11:29:39 AM
FTFY.

The only poll of the whole state that I know of shows Hillary crushing every Republican.

http://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-big-new-york-state-poll-article-1.2555213
http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 14, 2016, 01:23:08 PM
http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/

That article only talks about polls of specific parts of the state.

To quote the Siena poll
Quote
Businessman Donald Trump, with the support of 49 percent of Long Island Republicans, is the runaway leader in a hypothetical Islandwide primary while former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton leads Senator Bernie Sanders 51 to 33 percent among Democrats according to a new Newsday/News 12/Siena College (SRI) poll of Long Island voters.  Looking ahead to a November matchup, Trump leads Clinton, 41 to 38 percent among all voters while 17 percent say that they would not vote for either.  Adding undeclared candidate, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to the race finds Bloomberg leading with 35 percent to 29 percent for Trump and 26 percent for Clinton
.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 14, 2016, 02:42:12 PM
That article only talks about polls of specific parts of the state.

To quote the Siena poll.
So you thgink Hillary may win by making up for it in the Republican upstate?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 14, 2016, 05:09:19 PM
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1207382856002479&id=102099916530784
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 14, 2016, 07:11:08 PM
So you thgink Hillary may win by making up for it in the Republican upstate?

NYC
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 14, 2016, 10:23:02 PM
B/c trump definitely is NOT going to raise taxes b/c then he'll mess over himself. But Hillary says strait out she'll raise taxes and run the country into the ground!! (aka - continue doing what obama was doing!)

#1 he doesnt care about a few dollars, his ego is worth way way way more
#2 you dont think he will use a position of power to enrich himself? you are dumber than you sound.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 14, 2016, 10:34:31 PM
Trump is a creation if a number of factors, you cant blame Obama without blaming the nutcase anti obama crowd.. thew birther shtick, the obama is a muslim, alien etc

Partisan class whining has hurt us, Conservative's who will shoot you dead if you try to take their guns and violate the 2nd amnd. Will in no way tolerate the federal government's not intervening in a broader judiciary issue of gay marriage etc.

People by and large are either ill informed about circumstances or simply have no ability to self think.

Stuff like NAFTA - I dont know offhand the mechanics of it etc but any trade agreement that supposedly hurts us, helps too... Access to cheap electronics created by cheap labor sourced by cheap created material, helped the economy too.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 14, 2016, 10:38:57 PM
Trump is a creation if a number of factors, you cant blame Obama without blaming the nutcase anti obama crowd.. thew birther shtick, the obama is a muslim, alien etc
Wasn't it Trump himself who pulled the birther shtick?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 14, 2016, 11:01:48 PM
(http://imgur.com/download/xRZxFdk/Why Trump should fear Sanders)

Source (https://www.facebook.com/NewYorkersForBernie)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mookie on March 15, 2016, 11:18:44 AM
Who is Dan voting for today?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: FlyFirst on March 15, 2016, 12:40:20 PM
Who is Dan voting for today?
He's a Dem
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mookie on March 15, 2016, 12:45:32 PM
He's a Dem
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/03/can_i_change_my_party_affiliat.html

Even if he stays Dem, is he for bernie or hillary?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2016, 12:56:17 PM
http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/03/can_i_change_my_party_affiliat.html
Based on what it says in that article (and even without that, one can imagine this happening, a-la Operation Chaos initiated by Rush Limbaugh for a Democrat primary) I can see Dems voting on the Republican ticket for Trump just to act as agent saboteur.

From the article (emphasis added):
Quote
Among Cuyahoga County voters who requested absentee ballots by mail or voted early in person this year:

15.6 percent of affiliated Democrats have requested Republican ballots.
About 1.3 percent of affiliated Republicans have requested Democrat ballots.
Nearly 24,700 unaffiliated voters requested a party ballot.
Of those, 14,700 voters chose Democrat ballots and 10,000 chose Republican ballots.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 15, 2016, 01:33:49 PM
Who is Dan voting for today?

He's a Kasich fan.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 15, 2016, 01:44:13 PM
Another reason not to vote for Trump (?)
Quote
@kolhaolam WASHINGTON: Ben Carson says he was promised a position in Donald Trump's admin; at least in an "advisory capacity," if Trump is elected.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 15, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
Another reason not to vote for Trump (?)
Why would that be a not?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2016, 01:48:58 PM
He's a Kasich fan.
Can we get it from the horse's mouth?

With the entire lineup out there, I would say that "fan" is quite a strong word to use for any of the bunch.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 15, 2016, 02:03:23 PM
Why would that be a not?
Ben Carson was obviously not doing well for a reason. (Not that his endorsement changes much IMHO)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 15, 2016, 02:19:12 PM
Based on what it says in that article (and even without that, one can imagine this happening, a-la Operation Chaos initiated by Rush Limbaugh for a Democrat primary) I can see Dems voting on the Republican ticket for Trump just to act as agent saboteur.

From the article (emphasis added):
At this point dems would vote for Kasich and hope for a brokered convention.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 15, 2016, 03:23:43 PM
At this point dems would vote for Kasich and hope for a brokered convention.
If there's an organizer to this, just like Limbaugh did to the Dems (in Ohio) then you might be right, but if it's up to individuals, they might vote for Trump and believe that he is the most beatable.

I just googled Operation Chaos and see that Limbaugh's proposing it again for Bernie (as I've been advocating) see http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/11/limbaugh-we-may-have-to-reactivate-operation-chaos-but-this-time-for-bernie/ (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/11/limbaugh-we-may-have-to-reactivate-operation-chaos-but-this-time-for-bernie/)

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 15, 2016, 03:42:46 PM
I think Dan should put a DDMS post to vote for his man.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 15, 2016, 03:59:33 PM
I think Dan should put a DDMS post to vote for his man.
He is too busy trying to figure out how much his miles are worth.
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 15, 2016, 04:35:19 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/03/16/us/politics/donald-trump-butler-mar-a-lago.html?_r=0&referer=https://www.google.com/

Sounds like a dictator to me..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 15, 2016, 06:52:41 PM
Does Cruz have any chance to win Florida tonight?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 15, 2016, 07:32:31 PM
Does Cruz have any chance to win Florida tonight?
Don't believe so
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 15, 2016, 07:49:15 PM
Does Cruz have any chance to win Florida tonight?
I guess not.. (http://s10.postimg.org/xyg5obp3t/2016_03_15_19_47_57.png)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 15, 2016, 07:50:02 PM
I guess not.. (http://s10.postimg.org/xyg5obp3t/2016_03_15_19_47_57.png)
He was never trying to win there. He was just trying to get enough votes to ensure Rubio doesn't win
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: joe1234 on March 15, 2016, 07:53:46 PM
What's the story with Ohio? Some websites say that trump is winning and other sites are saying that kasich is? :o
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 15, 2016, 07:53:48 PM
For this who are in to this stufff this is a great site to follow on election nights
http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/march-15-primaries-ohio-florida-results-presidential-election-2016/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 15, 2016, 08:26:25 PM
Seems like Rubio is done.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 15, 2016, 08:26:50 PM
@KolHaolam: FLORIDA: BREAKING - Marco Rubio tells supporters he's dropping out of the presidential race.

m.twitter.com/KolHaolam
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 15, 2016, 08:36:30 PM
Dave Malloy, a 27-year-old engineer, voted for Bernie Sanders, but said that his choice had been between the Vermont senator and Trump. He was looking for a candidate, he said, who “doesn’t seem like everyone who’s been in power since I’ve been alive.”
That pretty much sums up the electorate. How could trump and sanders be his 2 choices ??
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on March 15, 2016, 11:40:42 PM
yay rubios out. maybe now he could stop emailing me :D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 15, 2016, 11:54:45 PM
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.
I'm here..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on March 16, 2016, 12:37:38 AM
So Cruz didn't win anything tonight ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 16, 2016, 12:49:56 AM
So Cruz didn't win anything tonight ?
He could still win Missouri (probably won't though).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2016, 04:12:22 AM
Very proud to be an Ohioan today.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on March 16, 2016, 07:56:23 AM
Very proud to be an Ohioan today.

Did you prevote? You can't take pride from others work :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 16, 2016, 09:38:52 AM
Very proud to be an Ohioan today.
Because your state gave a win to someone who has 0.07% chance of being the nominee? 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 10:02:10 AM
Because your state gave a win to someone who has 0.07% chance of being the nominee?
I guess it's because it's one of the only states in the nation where your vote actually makes a difference (for good or for bad).

IMHO the entire purpose of this election cycle is so that we realize and practice a little more אל תבטחו בנדיבים וגו׳
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2016, 10:30:05 AM
Because we didn't give our 66 delegates to a narsicist lunatic.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on March 16, 2016, 10:35:36 AM
yay rubios out. maybe now he could stop emailing me :D

there is always a unsubscribe for that
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 16, 2016, 10:42:22 AM
Because we didn't give our 66 delegates to a narsicist lunatic.
So  instead you threw them in the garbage.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on March 16, 2016, 10:49:50 AM
So  instead you threw them in the garbage.
+1 Nobody understands why kasic is still in the race looks like he doesn't have much other things to do, except the media said that he had a good night when he is still behind rubio, and he win reelection as governor 2 times with a 72% good rating why did he only have 45% off the votes? i think trumps 35% of the votes is a bigger thing when everybody is busy about hitler racist etc,so trump had a big win last night and cruz had a bad one
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2016, 10:52:50 AM
So  instead you threw them in the garbage.
+1 Nobody understands why kasic is still in the race looks like he doesn't have much other things to do, except the media said that he had a good night when he is still behind rubio, and he win reelection as governor 2 times with a 72% good rating why did he only have 45% off the votes? i think trumps 35% of the votes is a bigger thing when everybody is busy about hitler racist etc,so trump had a big win last night and cruz had a bad one
I take it you don't understand the term contested convention.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 16, 2016, 10:55:59 AM
I take it you don't understand the term contested convention.
contested convention = president hillary
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on March 16, 2016, 11:01:44 AM
contested convention = president hillary
If they choose kasich for sure. I'd love to see that debate.

Q. Mr Kasich what do think about Hilary's emails?
A. In Ohio I got everyone emails, before I got there email was a disaster, but with my plan which you can find on my website I think we can get emails for everyone.

Q. How about Benghazi?
A. In Ohio I really turned around the economy, Hilary's plan will never work because I did it in congress and I did it in Ohio, and she is a wonderful person but I have a proven track record of success in Ohio and in congress. Did I mention I improved Ohio and the debt while in congress?

Etc etc etc.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Iz on March 16, 2016, 11:07:27 AM
If they choose kasich for sure. I'd love to see that debate.

Q. Mr Kasich what do think about Hilary's emails?
A. In Ohio I got everyone emails, before I got there email was a disaster, but with my plan which you can find on my website I think we can get emails for everyone.

Q. How about Benghazi?
A. In Ohio I really turned around the economy, Hilary's plan will never work because I did it in congress and I did it in Ohio, and she is a wonderful person but I have a proven track record of success in Ohio and in congress. Did I mention I improved Ohio and the debt while in congress?

Etc etc etc.
And besides, the mentally ill deserve our compassion...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 16, 2016, 11:14:24 AM
LOL.

If Ohioan's we're looking to stop Trump they should've voted in Cruz.

Either way, since Trump won 4/5 states yesterday he continues with momentum and a nice portion of the delegates.

Go Trump!

Make America Great Again :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 16, 2016, 11:14:34 AM
If they choose kasich for sure. I'd love to see that debate.

Q. Mr Kasich what do think about Hilary's emails?
A. In Ohio I got everyone emails, before I got there email was a disaster, but with my plan which you can find on my website I think we can get emails for everyone.

Q. How about Benghazi?
A. In Ohio I really turned around the economy, Hilary's plan will never work because I did it in congress and I did it in Ohio, and she is a wonderful person but I have a proven track record of success in Ohio and in congress. Did I mention I improved Ohio and the debt while in congress?

Etc etc etc.
Since you moved from Kasich-land to Rubio-land, you've turned traitor? Et tu? :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 16, 2016, 11:22:46 AM
ilherman, I hope Trump knows what a fan you are 😄
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
contested convention = president hillary
I really don't understand why the Republicans are doing everything to lose and self destruct.

First they put some major RINOs as candidates or positions of power (McCain, Romney, etc.), then they fail to see what's going out there and make proper strategic moves to avoid further disaster (keeping the primary field so wide for so long - and eating some of the fruits of their own cooking with such diverse and convoluted primary rules in different states).

My question to those of us who's vote actually might make a difference (Ohio, Florida): in a Hillary vs Donald election, who do you vote for?

Luckily I am in NY and exempt from wasting mental energy on such choices, for us New Yorkers it's just entertainment and a pure circus.

The interesting thing about a contested or brokered convention is that if no clear winner at first round of delegate voting, they go to subsequent rounds where they slowly gain more independence to vote their own preference. Either way, if Trump goes in with a significant lead over Cruz, I don't see it being anything but ugly.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Iz on March 16, 2016, 11:26:10 AM
I really don't understand why the Republicans are doing everything to lose and self destruct...
IMHO the entire purpose of this election cycle is so that we realize and practice a little more אל תבטחו בנדיבים וגו׳
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 16, 2016, 11:26:18 AM
I take it you don't understand the term contested convention.
Won't that new rule (I think Rule 40) most probably prevent anyone else besides Trump from being considered?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 16, 2016, 11:32:44 AM
Its a fragmented party that merely belies the outdated 2 party system.

Trump appeals the same way all dictators appeal.

First he promises things he cant or wont keep, stuff like deporting US born children is probably a constitutional violation. I doubt his wall is feasible or even viable option.

He tells people that NAFTA costs US jobs and he does not provide tangible alternative to any thing he rails about.

Kasich can parrot what he did in Ohio, but he does not flaunt his failures, lie in your office that they were accomplishments.... Water, Steaks, Trump U etc those were blatant lies... although he must have bribed Chris Christie with quite a few steaks.

i'll leave this here http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104259/they-took-our-jobs
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 16, 2016, 12:00:04 PM
Its a fragmented party that merely belies the outdated 2 party system.

Trump appeals the same way all dictators appeal.

First he promises things he cant or wont keep, stuff like deporting US born children is probably a constitutional violation. I doubt his wall is feasible or even viable option.

He tells people that NAFTA costs US jobs and he does not provide tangible alternative to any thing he rails about.

Kasich can parrot what he did in Ohio, but he does not flaunt his failures, lie in your office that they were accomplishments.... Water, Steaks, Trump U etc those were blatant lies... although he must have bribed Chris Christie with quite a few steaks.

i'll leave this here http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104259/they-took-our-jobs
so vote for hillary
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 12:04:12 PM
Its a fragmented party that merely belies the outdated 2 party system.
So what would you rather have? A system like Israel, Greece, Italy, just to name a few?

Democracy is never a perfect solution.

Trump appeals the same way all politicians dictators appeal.
FTFY

First he promises things he cant or wont keep, stuff like deporting US born children is probably a constitutional violation. I doubt his wall is feasible or even viable option.

He tells people that NAFTA costs US jobs and he does not provide tangible alternative to any thing he rails about.
That's one of the fundamental problems of democracy, it gives rise to populism.

There's only a small segment of the population that can or will analyze the situation with unbiased logic (and even then, can and will sometimes get it wrong, we are limited humans after all).

Many good solutions might sound counter-intuitive, or even if they make sense, they just don't sound or feel good, so that's how one loses elections.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 12:05:22 PM
so vote for hillary
Or move to NY, where your vote in the General Elections is guaranteed not to count, so you can sit it out with a clear conscience!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 16, 2016, 12:11:41 PM
Its a fragmented party that merely belies the outdated 2 party system.

Trump appeals the same way all dictators appeal.

First he promises things he cant or wont keep, stuff like deporting US born children is probably a constitutional violation. I doubt his wall is feasible or even viable option.

He tells people that NAFTA costs US jobs and he does not provide tangible alternative to any thing he rails about.

Kasich can parrot what he did in Ohio, but he does not flaunt his failures, lie in your office that they were accomplishments.... Water, Steaks, Trump U etc those were blatant lies... although he must have bribed Chris Christie with quite a few steaks.

i'll leave this here http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104259/they-took-our-jobs
This isn't even about good or bad. This is about electable. Kasich doesn't have a chance.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 16, 2016, 12:19:34 PM
This isn't even about good or bad. This is about electable. Kasich doesn't have a chance.
Who cares? At least Ohio was smart enough to make sure Trump didn't win
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 16, 2016, 12:26:22 PM
Who cares? At least Ohio was smart enough to make sure Trump didn't win
So  instead you threw them in the garbage.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 16, 2016, 12:35:27 PM

no if Kasich makes it to the convention those delgates can be very valuable. And help stop Trump
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2016, 01:03:23 PM
Bingo.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 16, 2016, 01:03:31 PM
Don't know why I am not hearing this anywhere but Cruz and kasich should join together. Is their only realistic way of beating trump and actuality is a pretty formadable ticket for the general election
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 16, 2016, 01:11:44 PM
Don't know why I am not hearing this anywhere but Cruz and kasich should join together. Is their only realistic way of beating trump and actuality is a pretty formadable ticket for the general election
who would be on top?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 16, 2016, 01:16:58 PM
who would be on top?
Cruz. He had much more delegates and more of a shot at winning
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2016, 01:18:26 PM
I get the feeling that Kasich would rather remain governer than be VP but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 01:22:36 PM
no if Kasich makes it to the convention those delgates can be very valuable. And help stop Trump
And then what?

Stopping Trump is only one part (which could be extremely messy), but then who's on the ticket, and where do Trumpsters go?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: efflpetzel on March 16, 2016, 01:33:47 PM
Its a fragmented party that merely belies the outdated 2 party system.

Trump appeals the same way all dictators appeal.

First he promises things he cant or wont keep, stuff like deporting US born children is probably a constitutional violation. I doubt his wall is feasible or even viable option.

He tells people that NAFTA costs US jobs and he does not provide tangible alternative to any thing he rails about.

Kasich can parrot what he did in Ohio, but he does not flaunt his failures, lie in your office that they were accomplishments.... Water, Steaks, Trump U etc those were blatant lies... although he must have bribed Chris Christie with quite a few steaks.

i'll leave this here http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104259/they-took-our-jobs
+100,

Very well said.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 16, 2016, 01:39:11 PM
I get the feeling that Kasich would rather remain governer than be VP but I could be wrong.
I disagree. Don't be surprised to see a Trump/Kasich ticket.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 16, 2016, 01:47:48 PM


Its a fragmented party that merely belies the outdated 2 party system.

Trump appeals the same way all dictators appeal.

First he promises things he cant or wont keep, stuff like deporting US born children is probably a constitutional violation. I doubt his wall is feasible or even viable option.

He tells people that NAFTA costs US jobs and he does not provide tangible alternative to any thing he rails about.

Kasich can parrot what he did in Ohio, but he does not flaunt his failures, lie in your office that they were accomplishments.... Water, Steaks, Trump U etc those were blatant lies... although he must have bribed Chris Christie with quite a few steaks.

i'll leave this here http://southpark.cc.com/clips/104259/they-took-our-jobs

1. Trump is charismatic and dictators are charismatic. Therefore Trump must be a dictator.

2. Trump would win the most or second most seats in a parliamentary system too.

3. When had Trump ever said he would deport US citizens? I've seen it mentioned here a number of times (including the rabbi) without any backup.

4. A wall is both feasible and viable, and in case you didn't know, Cruz and Rubio also support the wall.

5. He's addressed NAFTA a number of times.  He said he would negotiate a separate trade deal with each country. 

6. Trump clearly said the water, steak, and magazine companies only catered to his own venues. They are not failed businesses just because Mitt can't find them in his local grocery.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 16, 2016, 01:51:22 PM
6. Trump clearly said the water, steak, and magazine companies only catered to his own venues. They are not failed businesses just because Mitt can't find them in his local grocery.
Meh. If you sold a great product, would you limit it that severely?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on March 16, 2016, 01:54:01 PM
Meh. If you sold a great product, would you limit it that severely?
Many hotels have their own soaps. If they don't sell it elsewhere it means the soap is bad?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 16, 2016, 02:01:40 PM
I get the feeling that Kasich would rather remain governer than be VP but I could be wrong.
Hard too imagine. Plus they don't have term limits?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 16, 2016, 02:06:40 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-oreilly-donald-trump-immigration-deport-birthright-2015-8[

Trump has valid logical points... i.e. you break the law, you forfeit the rights but he clearly tries to use rhetoric to argue a constitutional law.

See:

Quote
O'Reilly also asked Trump whether he would be interested in changing the language of the Constitution to comport with how he sees the citizenship issue.

"It's a long process, and I think it would take too long," Trump responded. "I'd much rather find out whether or not 'anchor babies' are actually citizens, because a lot of people don't think they are."

So why hasent Trump assembled a legal team to research it ? because he is basically ridding a wave of popular feelings, legal or not, he doesnt care, nor do most people.

No matter where you look, the guy is a liar

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/trump-fact-check-errors-exaggerations-falsehoods-213730

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 16, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
I get the feeling that Kasich would rather remain governer than be VP but I could be wrong.
Also he never had or has a chance to win the presidency even if he was handed the nomination through a contested convention. I assume he has been running for vp the whole time.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Iz on March 16, 2016, 02:10:20 PM
Sorry to interrupt the fun, but could we make an effort at spelling?
It may even get your (not "you're"!) opinions to be taken a bit more seriously... ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 16, 2016, 02:33:56 PM
I disagree. Don't be surprised to see a Trump/Kasich ticket.

+1 Kasich's only play is to make a deal with Trump. Kasich is not helping to prevent Trump rack up delegates. He kept 66 delegates from Trump last night, but in IL he gave Trump about 50, and 30-40 more in Missouri. Just last night he gave Trump more than he prevented him from getting in Ohio. In Michigan he gave the win to Trump too. You can argue that he's going for Trump VP, or 2nd/ 3rd ballot at the convention, but you can't argue his staying in is helping to keep delegates from Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 16, 2016, 02:36:13 PM
Won't that new rule (I think Rule 40) most probably prevent anyone else besides Trump from being considered?

Rule 40 is only for the first ballot at the convention, and Cruz will probably qualify. But even if Trump is the only one up for consideration, he would still need over 50% of delegates, or else it goes to 2nd ballot where the rule doesn't apply.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 16, 2016, 02:43:07 PM
Rule 40 is only for the first ballot at the convention, and Cruz will probably qualify. But even if Trump is the only one up for consideration, he would still need over 50% of delegates, or else it goes to 2nd ballot where the rule doesn't apply.
Ah, got it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 16, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
How come Clinton only hot 31?
(http://s16.postimg.org/71amt3jx1/2016_03_16_14_41_45.png)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 16, 2016, 02:47:51 PM
How come Clinton only hot 31?
(http://s16.postimg.org/71amt3jx1/2016_03_16_14_41_45.png)

1. The same weay she has gotten more from Michigan wher Sanders won. The Dems primary votes are not very meaningful with Superdelegates all going one way
2. They award delegates by congressional district
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 16, 2016, 02:55:16 PM
What a stupid voting system!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 16, 2016, 03:05:44 PM
How come Clinton only hot 31?
(http://s16.postimg.org/71amt3jx1/2016_03_16_14_41_45.png)

That's probably not the real numbers. Missouri is doing absentee etc. Ballots, and possibly a recount. Both R and D races were margins of less than 2k.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 16, 2016, 03:12:18 PM
What a stupid voting system!

It's how the Democrat party apparatus keeps an iron grip on party control.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 16, 2016, 03:28:46 PM
+1 Kasich's only play is to make a deal with Trump. Kasich is not helping to prevent Trump rack up delegates. He kept 66 delegates from Trump last night, but in IL he gave Trump about 50, and 30-40 more in Missouri. Just last night he gave Trump more than he prevented him from getting in Ohio. In Michigan he gave the win to Trump too. You can argue that he's going for Trump VP, or 2nd/ 3rd ballot at the convention, but you can't argue his staying in is helping to keep delegates from Trump.
After what he owes all the other dropped out candidates for endorsing him, does he still have any positions left for Kasich?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 16, 2016, 03:33:51 PM
After what he owes all the other dropped out candidates for endorsing him, does he still have any positions left for Kasich?
Site manager at the wall.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 16, 2016, 03:39:10 PM
Site manager at the wall.
LOL. What do you think, Kasich is Mexican?! It's only reserved for them...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 16, 2016, 03:46:23 PM
After what he owes all the other dropped out candidates for endorsing him, does he still have any positions left for Kasich?

Yes, because the others have no leverage being that they already dropped out. It's not a stretch for Trump to reneg on any deal. Besides, I doubt he promised Carson or Christie vp.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 16, 2016, 04:37:24 PM
http://dailycaller.com/2016/03/16/trump-appears-to-have-heavily-plagiarized-op-ed-from-carson/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 16, 2016, 09:32:24 PM
Or move to NY, where your vote in the General Elections is guaranteed not to count, so you can sit it out with a clear conscience!

Actually, polls show that in a Trump vs Hillary election, trump actually stands a chance in NY....

http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 16, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
yah sure kodak c713 and samsun l100 for a little more u can get a nikon l18 or even a fuji j10
I guess he's the real Democrat!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Moshe123 on March 16, 2016, 09:53:48 PM
Actually, polls show that in a Trump vs Hillary election, trump actually stands a chance in NY....

http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/

That article is bs.
Last Siena poll had Clinton up by 25.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 09:55:41 PM
A little off topic, but here's another one to show that Bloomberg is in love with "progressives" http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-03-16/canada-s-new-hope
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 16, 2016, 11:32:39 PM
Trump is not a unifier, thus he is not, nor ever will be.. a leader.

Not that the other candidates are... but we need mainstream popular support to steer us back in the direction this nation needs to go.

I wont compare trump to Hitler but he does match mussolini a lot..

Notice how all the early arguments for trump have vanished.. first we heard how wealthy he is - BS
Then we heard what a great businessman he is - BS

And yet of course none of his fans will admit trump will use POTUS to enrich himself..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 11:36:35 PM
Trump is not a unifier, thus he is not, nor ever will be.. a leader.

Not that the other candidates are... but we need mainstream popular support to steer us back in the direction this nation needs to go.

I wont compare trump to Hitler but he does match mussolini a lot..

Notice how all the early arguments for trump have vanished.. first we heard how wealthy he is - BS
Then we heard what a great businessman he is - BS

And yet of course none of his fans will admit trump will use POTUS to enrich himself..
So if you are in FL or OH, who do you vote for if it's Trump vs Clinton?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 16, 2016, 11:44:45 PM
So if you are in FL or OH, who do you vote for if it's Trump vs Clinton?
Clinton, at least she is a stable human being
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 16, 2016, 11:47:03 PM
Clinton, at least she is a stable human being
As stable as money can buy....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 16, 2016, 11:49:41 PM
THAT argument is NOT what helps us.

You CANNOT shove a candidate of a jerk down my throat, screaming that the alternative is you will shove sh&^ up my tuches.

That is wrong and frankly undemocratic.

What do I do? same thing I did today, worked, paid taxes, be involved in my community..

Franky im one small shmuck, Hillary or Bernie wont do much worse than Obama... I have no great wealth to protect nor will my taxes change much... As for the USA, headed to hell in a handbasket...Trump has not shown he would or could do better than clinton.. and that is even if she is nihilistic.

You cannot fool people like me with such theories because I was there in the Tea Party rise, in '09 I thought Rubio was the Messiah.

But I got to know the core of the Florida Tea Party,  many were frauds, a few legit, the masses followed blindly.

Trump and Hillary will do the same damage, neither cares for any thing other than themselves...

It hurts, because I believed, I was there for Gov Rick Scott, Sen Marco Rubio and the rest of the circus... and its all a sham..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Iz on March 16, 2016, 11:51:34 PM
How do you edit the poll?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 17, 2016, 12:04:51 AM
How do you edit the poll?
Only OP or mods can.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 17, 2016, 12:05:23 AM
Trump is not a unifier, thus he is not, nor ever will be.. a leader.

Not that the other candidates are... but we need mainstream popular support to steer us back in the direction this nation needs to go.

I wont compare trump to Hitler but he does match mussolini a lot..

Notice how all the early arguments for trump have vanished.. first we heard how wealthy he is - BS
Then we heard what a great businessman he is - BS

And yet of course none of his fans will admit trump will use POTUS to enrich himself..

THAT argument is NOT what helps us.

You CANNOT shove a candidate of a jerk down my throat, screaming that the alternative is you will shove sh&^ up my tuches.

That is wrong and frankly undemocratic.

What do I do? same thing I did today, worked, paid taxes, be involved in my community..

Franky im one small shmuck, Hillary or Bernie wont do much worse than Obama... I have no great wealth to protect nor will my taxes change much... As for the USA, headed to hell in a handbasket...Trump has not shown he would or could do better than clinton.. and that is even if she is nihilistic.

You cannot fool people like me with such theories because I was there in the Tea Party rise, in '09 I thought Rubio was the Messiah.

But I got to know the core of the Florida Tea Party,  many were frauds, a few legit, the masses followed blindly.

Trump and Hillary will do the same damage, neither cares for any thing other than themselves...

It hurts, because I believed, I was there for Gov Rick Scott, Sen Marco Rubio and the rest of the circus... and its all a sham..
A lot of nonsense. I won't waste my time with another set of numbered refutations, though each and every statement is refutable.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 17, 2016, 12:11:13 AM
You dont need to, the same argument was shoved at us in 2008 and 2012... ANY ONE BUT HIM... it gets old, it insults my intelligence,..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 17, 2016, 12:17:25 AM
Franky im one small shmuck, Hillary or Bernie wont do much worse than Obama... I have no great wealth to protect nor will my taxes change much... As for the USA, headed to hell in a handbasket...Trump has not shown he would or could do better than clinton.. and that is even if she is nihilistic.

You cannot fool people like me with such theories because I was there in the Tea Party rise, in '09 I thought Rubio was the Messiah.

But I got to know the core of the Florida Tea Party,  many were frauds, a few legit, the masses followed blindly.

Trump and Hillary will do the same damage, neither cares for any thing other than themselves...

It hurts, because I believed, I was there for Gov Rick Scott, Sen Marco Rubio and the rest of the circus... and its all a sham..
As I've said before, it's all about us Yidden realizing that we should strengthen our אמונה and בטחון in Hashem, and אל תבטחו בנדיבים!

If I were in FL I wouldn't rely on my own logic in such a match up, I would ask and do ככל אשר יורוך!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 17, 2016, 01:05:33 AM
As stable as money can buy....
True but she is not very likely to start a nuclear war if she gets angry. While no one has any clue what Trump would do.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Freddie on March 17, 2016, 01:28:28 AM
As stable as money can buy....
profound and true
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 19, 2016, 09:41:54 PM
How do you edit the poll?
+1

Somebody (OP?) please revise it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 09:50:59 PM
So if you are in FL or OH, who do you vote for if it's Trump vs Clinton?
Mickey Mouse.
In all honesty I think there will be a strong 3rd party candidate in an election like that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 19, 2016, 09:59:15 PM
Mickey Mouse.
In all honesty I think there will be a strong 3rd party candidate in an election like that.
Never. That will hand over the nom to Clinton.

Let's not forget, Trump has a strung base of supporters. At least 40% of republicans favor him. No third party can win if they don't have that 40%.   
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 10:02:54 PM
Because your state gave a win to someone who has 0.07% chance of being the nominee? 
Never. That will hand over the nom to Clinton.

Let's not forget, Trump has a strung base of supporters. At least 40% of republicans favor him. No third party can win if they don't have that 40%.   
Noch a mol? Go read the rules about what happens if nobody wins an outright majority of the electoral college.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 19, 2016, 10:07:15 PM
Where does that come in here?

You said that if it ends up being Trump vs Clinton
In all honesty I think there will be a strong 3rd party candidate in an election like that.
To which I said.
Never. That will hand over the nom to Clinton.

Let's not forget, Trump has a strung base of supporters. At least 40% of republicans favor him. No third party can win if they don't have that 40%.   
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 19, 2016, 10:08:40 PM
Noch a mol? Go read the rules about what happens if nobody wins an outright majority of the electoral college.
what happens?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 19, 2016, 10:09:22 PM
In any case I invested a nice couple of dollars in Trump: Yes. https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination

I think he will pull out a win, will see...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 19, 2016, 10:23:05 PM
In any case I invested bet/gambled a nice couple of dollars in Trump: Yes. https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination

I think he will pull out a win, will see...
FTFY
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 10:27:07 PM
Where does that come in here?

You said that if it ends up being Trump vs Clinton To which I said.
So far it seems you don't know what happens if a candidate doesn't get the majority of delegates at the convention and you don't know what happens if no candidate in the general election wins the majority of electoral college votes...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 19, 2016, 10:35:33 PM
So far it seems you don't know what happens if a candidate doesn't get the majority of delegates at the convention and you don't know what happens if no candidate in the general election wins the majority of electoral college votes...
Oh, I did not Chap that you asked about the electoral college. In any case, I don't know but I'd say that Hilary would still win the electoral college in that case. Since most/a lot of R will stay home.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 10:58:01 PM
Why keep guessing rather than learn the law?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: efflpetzel on March 19, 2016, 11:04:28 PM
So far it seems you don't know what happens if a candidate doesn't get the majority of delegates at the convention and you don't know what happens if no candidate in the general election wins the majority of electoral college votes...
Trump will get a majority of delegates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 19, 2016, 11:12:14 PM
Trump will get a majority of delegates.
So come join https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination

Though I bought at .31 and now its .72..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 19, 2016, 11:14:42 PM
Why keep guessing rather than learn the law?

I doubt it'll be relevant.

With so many big winner-take-all states coming up, and with Kasich/Cruz splitting the mainstream republican vote, this nomination is Trump's to lose.

Even if a strong third-party candidate enters the race, it needs to be a candidate strong enough to outright win several states (away from both sides). Who do you think you be able to do that?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 11:19:59 PM
I doubt it'll be relevant.

With so many big winner-take-all states coming up, and with Kasich/Cruz splitting the mainstream republican vote, this nomination is Trump's to lose.

Even if a strong third-party candidate enters the race, it needs to be a candidate strong enough to outright win several states (away from both sides). Who do you think you be able to do that?
Kasich could definitely win OH and just that could be enough to have an election where nobody wins 270.
Same goes for someone popular in any swing state.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 19, 2016, 11:24:14 PM
Kasich could definitely win OH and just that could be enough to have an election where nobody wins 270.

1. I wouldn't say "definitely." Trump was only 10 points behind him and they'd be splitting many of the same votes.
2. In a Trump vs. Hillary matchup, I'm not sure Ohio will be enough...
3. Do you think  Kasich would want to do this?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 11:26:05 PM
1. I said could definitely.
2. Maybe, maybe not.
3. It was an example. "Same goes for someone popular in any swing state."

FL and/or OH going "I" could definitely put the Presidency into Paul Ryan's hands to decide.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 19, 2016, 11:28:19 PM
I doubt it'll be relevant.

With so many big winner-take-all states coming up, and with Kasich/Cruz splitting the mainstream republican vote, this nomination is Trump's to lose.

Even if a strong third-party candidate enters the race, it needs to be a candidate strong enough to outright win several states (away from both sides). Who do you think you be able to do that?
+1. A third party Republican splitting the vote will hand enough winner take all states to Clinton for her to walk away with a clear victory, according to election history.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 11:31:41 PM
+1. A third party Republican splitting the vote will hand enough winner take all states to Clinton for her to walk away with a clear victory, according to election history.
Except that for all you know Trump could take NY and other states where Rs don't normally compete. The rules are going out the window in this cycle.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 19, 2016, 11:35:52 PM

Except that for all you know Trump could take NY and other states where Rs don't normally compete. The rules are going out the window in this cycle.

+1 at rules changing, but if you think trump will be within 10 points in NY you're deluding yourself.

IMO the 3p candidates with broad enough cross party support to cause an election to go to the house wouldn't be willing to potentially hand the presidency to trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 19, 2016, 11:36:47 PM
Except that for all you know Trump could take NY and other states where Rs don't normally compete. The rules are going out the window in this cycle.
I would say that Trump taking NY with a third party Republican in the picture is exceedingly unlikely, but this is an unpredictable election. Trump's appeal or repulsiveness transcends party lines.
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 19, 2016, 11:41:43 PM
I would say that Trump taking NY with a third party Republican in the picture is exceedingly unlikely, but this is an unpredictable election. Trump's appeal or repulsiveness transcends party lines.

The same recent poll that has him (literally) smashing the gop competition in NY has him losing by 20 there in the general. That's without a 3p candidate.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 19, 2016, 11:45:27 PM
The same recent poll that has him (literally) smashing the gop competition in NY has him losing by 20 there in the general. That's without a 3p candidate.
That's the logical outcome at this point. This is beyond logic, though. The polls thus far haven't been so accurate.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2016, 11:51:28 PM
Polls also showed both the D and R primaries in OH being nail-biters.
So much for that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 19, 2016, 11:51:45 PM

That's the logical outcome at this point. This is beyond logic, though. The polls thus far haven't been so accurate.

Eh, they haven't been too bad. They've been pretty stable since the fall. I don't trust the accuracy of the Emerson poll in particular, though, given how different it is from other polls across the board.
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on March 19, 2016, 11:52:42 PM
Polls also showed both the D and R primaries in OH being nail-biters.
So much for that.

Kasich had a modest lead in polls coming up to Oh. Then Rubio told voters to vote for him, giving kasich a few more points. Don't think they were too bad on republican side.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sharkky on March 20, 2016, 12:06:27 AM
In any case I invested a nice couple of dollars in Trump: Yes. https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination

I think he will pull out a win, will see...
thanx for mentioning this     Sounds like fun   :D 

Do u plan on holding ur shares till the end?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 20, 2016, 08:47:44 AM
Kasich could definitely win OH and just that could be enough to have an election where nobody wins 270.
Same goes for someone popular in any swing state.
Problem with your whole theory is that it's already very late in the game for a third party candidate to get on ballots in all states. ..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2016, 10:34:45 AM
Problem with your whole theory is that it's already very late in the game for a third party candidate to get on ballots in all states. ..
They would need to use an existing third party such as the conservative party.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 20, 2016, 10:37:54 AM
1. I said could definitely.
2. Maybe, maybe not.
3. It was an example. "Same goes for someone popular in any swing state."

FL and/or OH going "I" could definitely put the Presidency into Paul Ryan's hands to decide.
Would it really be in Paul Ryan's hands?
It seems that the house would be limited to choosing between the top 3 candidates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on March 20, 2016, 01:34:29 PM
poll edited. should I reset to 0? anyone want to revote?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 20, 2016, 01:35:32 PM
poll edited. should I reset to 0? anyone want to revote?
You cannot enable voters to retract? That saves much hassle, especially when it's narrowing as time progresses.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on March 20, 2016, 01:38:57 PM
You cannot enable voters to retract? That saves much hassle, especially when it's narrowing as time progresses.
i believe the only way would be to clear votes. anyone hear know otherwise?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 20, 2016, 02:38:23 PM
I think clearing the poll and revoting is best. People's first and second choices often change as candidates drop out and the race narrows.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 20, 2016, 02:55:51 PM
I think clearing the poll and revoting is best. People's first and second choices often change as candidates drop out and the race narrows.
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 20, 2016, 03:09:48 PM
Expanding the map...

http://www.ksl.com/?sid=38970451&nid=960&title=poll-utah-would-vote-for-a-democrat-for-president-over-trump
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 20, 2016, 03:16:38 PM
Wow there are still alot of people here going for Trump. Why?!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 20, 2016, 03:48:29 PM
Wow there are still alot of people here going for Trump. Why?!
Same reason(s) why people across the country are voting for him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: cholent on March 20, 2016, 03:57:26 PM
Same reason(s) why people across the country are voting for him.
Can't figure out that either
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 20, 2016, 04:10:51 PM
Ask ilherman
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 20, 2016, 04:42:36 PM
Can't figure out that either
I don't think a vote for Trump comes from logic or reasoning, it is an emotional vote, similar to a teenager rebelling or experimenting with things. In most cases appealing to logic will not help.

I think everyone here can relate to the feelings that lead people to support Trump. We're all fed up with Politicians, Insiders, RINOs, etc. etc. etc.. Trump is addressing those feelings. That is where he draws his support. It is all emotions driven.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 20, 2016, 04:47:01 PM
I don't think a vote for Trump comes from logic or reasoning, it is an emotional vote, similar to a teenager rebelling or experimenting with things. In most cases appealing to logic will not help.

I think everyone here can relate to the feelings that lead people to support Trump. We're all fed up with Politicians, Insiders, RINOs, etc. etc. etc.. Trump is addressing those feelings. That is where he draws his support. It is all emotions driven.
+9 billion
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 20, 2016, 04:55:28 PM
+9 billion
A billion here and billion there, and all of the sudden we are talking some real money!

Billions are a relic of the past, in today's day and age we don't consider anything that isn't in the trillions.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 20, 2016, 05:47:32 PM
Wow there are still alot of people here going for Trump. Why?!
Here's something to consider: http://www.mauldineconomics.com/this-week-in-geopolitics/the-roots-of-trumps-strength
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 20, 2016, 06:40:52 PM
I don't think a vote for Trump comes from logic or reasoning, it is an emotional vote, similar to a teenager rebelling or experimenting with things. In most cases appealing to logic will not help.

I think everyone here can relate to the feelings that lead people to support Trump. We're all fed up with Politicians, Insiders, RINOs, etc. etc. etc.. Trump is addressing those feelings. That is where he draws his support. It is all emotions driven.
Exactly. I have no idea how he will be as president. But I know one thing, he aimed all his life to be successful, so why shouldn't he try to be a successful president?

And with regards to all others they are all politicians which I don't like. So I vote for Trump and hope for the best.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 20, 2016, 06:46:30 PM
Exactly. I have no idea how he will be as president. But I know one thing, he aimed all his life to be successful, so why shouldn't he try to be a successful president?

And with regards to all others they are all politicians which I don't like. So I vote for Trump and hope for the best.
At least you're admitting it....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 20, 2016, 07:30:35 PM
Wow there are still alot of people here going for Trump. Why?!


I don't think a vote for Trump comes from logic or reasoning, it is an emotional vote, similar to a teenager rebelling or experimenting with things. In most cases appealing to logic will not help.

I think everyone here can relate to the feelings that lead people to support Trump. We're all fed up with Politicians, Insiders, RINOs, etc. etc. etc.. Trump is addressing those feelings. That is where he draws his support. It is all emotions driven.

Sort of like why people voted for fascist leaders in the past.

Exactly. I have no idea how he will be as president. But I know one thing, he aimed all his life to be successful, so why shouldn't he try to be a successful president?

And with regards to all others they are all politicians which I don't like. So I vote for Trump and hope for the best.

 Trump's a fascist leader.
And he's pulling the same wool over your eyes that the previous fascist leaders did in the past.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 20, 2016, 07:35:11 PM
Do me a favor. Like Trump or hate Trump, stop comparing him to Hitler. It cheapens what that generation went through when everyone is called Hitler and everything a Holocaust.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 20, 2016, 07:39:58 PM
Exactly. I have no idea how he will be as president. But I know one thing, he aimed all his life to be successful, so why shouldn't he try to be a successful president?

And with regards to all others they are all politicians which I don't like. So I vote for Trump and hope for the best.
I couldn't have encapsulated an appeal that transcends logic any better than you just did. Thank you.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 20, 2016, 07:50:11 PM
Exactly. I have no idea how he will be as president. But I know one thing, he aimed all his life to be successful, so why shouldn't he try to be a successful president?

And with regards to all others they are all politicians which I don't like. So I vote for Trump and hope for the best.

But what if his definition of succces is different than yours?

In other words, all his life he's been looking out for himself and messing over other people, why do you think that will change?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: abe pollak on March 20, 2016, 08:08:52 PM
Does anyone have a clue on the Iranian Riyal? They seem so under rated!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on March 20, 2016, 08:12:46 PM
Does anyone have a clue on the Iranian Riyal? They seem so under rated!
I think he's running third party.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: 000 on March 20, 2016, 08:32:25 PM
Can you add a never trump option in the poll (even if he wins the nomination)?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 20, 2016, 09:01:34 PM
I can't believe people still compare Trump to Hitler.

 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


Let me tell you, building a wall does not make him racist, saying that a lot of illegal immigrants are rapist is NOT racism and so on. End of story.

I loved when Bill O'Reilly asked one of the Mexican leaders why he is so against Trump so he said "Because he is a racist! He wants to build a wall!" To which bill said, I also want a wall! Am I a racist too??
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 20, 2016, 09:06:30 PM
Do me a favor. Like Trump or hate Trump, stop comparing him to Hitler. It cheapens what that generation went through when everyone is called Hitler and everything a Holocaust.
Edited my post. Happy?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 20, 2016, 09:07:37 PM
Can you add a never trump option in the poll (even if he wins the nomination)?
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 20, 2016, 09:09:32 PM
Does anyone have a clue on the Iranian Riyal? They seem so under rated!
?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 20, 2016, 09:30:56 PM
They would need to use an existing third party such as the conservative party.
Does that help? Thought u still need a ton of signatures in each state to get the name on the ballot
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2016, 09:32:54 PM
Does that help? Thought u still need a ton of signatures in each state to get the name on the ballot
If the party is on the ballot then they can still choose their candidate just like the democrats can do if Hillary is indicted and they don't want Bernie.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 20, 2016, 09:34:43 PM
Exactly. I have no idea how he will be as president. But I know one thing, he aimed all his life to be successful, so why shouldn't he try to be a successful president?

And with regards to all others they are all politicians which I don't like. So I vote for Trump and hope for the best.
If you don't like politicians why don't you vote for Ted Cruz? The establishment hates him almost as much as Trump. But he is at least sane and a moral person.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 20, 2016, 09:35:44 PM
Just saw the poll for the first time (I'm always on tapatalk) can someone other them Illherman explain why they are voting for trump
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: KJ on March 20, 2016, 09:36:31 PM
I couldn't have encapsulated an appeal that transcends logic any better than you just did. Thank you.
Exactly. Just goes to show that people can be stupider than you would ever imagine if they want to be.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on March 20, 2016, 09:50:50 PM
Can you add a never trump option in the poll (even if he wins the nomination)?
That would be a poll for the general election.
As far as the never trump ootion for the primary, you have kasich. Cant imagine any other reason to vote for him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 20, 2016, 10:14:44 PM
Just saw the poll for the first time (I'm always on tapatalk) can someone other them Illherman explain why they are voting for trump
I'm voting Trump. I'd be happy to discuss why, but for now I'll say: 1. It's intellectual, not emotional, and 2. Like ilherman, for me it's a roll of the dice--might work, might not.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 20, 2016, 10:43:06 PM
Just saw the poll for the first time (I'm always on tapatalk) can someone other them Illherman explain why they are voting for trump
I'll just say what Mr Trump would tell you right now.

"Wow, you are sooooo politically correct"     :P   
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2016, 11:44:00 PM
I'll just say what Mr Trump would tell you right now.

"Wow, you are sooooo politically correct"   
Why would he tell that to him?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 20, 2016, 11:50:11 PM
Just saw the poll for the first time (I'm always on tapatalk) can someone other them Illherman explain why they are voting for trump

Over this week a came up with the first semi-rational reason I was able to think of for why someone would vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the establishment or anything of the sort. This country is being overrun by a cancer call political correctness. The PC police make people scared to say anything because it may offend someone. We have seen people destroyed simply due to a political opinion that some groups called discriminatory. People feel that Trump is the chemotherapy for this cancer. He may end up being a horrible president, but no one ever saidchemo is pleasant. His bad p[olicies can be reversed by future presidents but if we lost our freedom of expression we lost our country.

ETA: I personally would probably support Cruz, but I finally came up with some reason why someone would vote for Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: justaregularguy on March 21, 2016, 01:25:17 AM
Poll edited. Vote away!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 21, 2016, 09:08:03 AM
Poll edited. Vote away!
Huh?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 21, 2016, 09:28:48 AM
Poll edited. Vote away!
Thanks!
Huh?
He reset the poll. Read up thread.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 21, 2016, 11:28:02 AM
Wasn't it reseted yesterday?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 21, 2016, 11:35:09 AM
Wasn't it reseted yesterday?
No, yesterday, candidates that had dropped out were removed from the poll, but the results hadn't been reset.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 21, 2016, 11:50:23 AM
Wasn't it reset yesterday?
FTFY.
(I'm not gonna make a joke about Trump loving the poorly educated.)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2016, 12:06:57 PM
FTFY.
(I'm not gonna make a joke about Trump loving the poorly educated.)
He is not poorly educated. He's just not writing in English. It's a dialect of Yinglish (out of various Yinglish dialects spoken on DDF)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on March 21, 2016, 05:54:28 PM
can kasich finish his speech now?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 21, 2016, 06:04:55 PM
Is that lone Kasich vote cast by Dan?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 21, 2016, 07:27:46 PM
I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.

People must be blinded by how the media portrays Trump. It's easy for the media to make a smear campaign against him... usually the opposing candidates have to pay for a 30 second spot of bias. Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that. Hillary thinks its already great, which shows how clueless and behind the curve she is.

Obama visits Cuba today to show his disdain again for all things America believes in. He has a bash America party with buddy Castro and declares prior US presidents to be idiots. Hillary represents a continuation of Obama and a nod to his leadership. How can anyone even bring themselves to consider her?  She reeks of corruption and murder, she is part of the legacy of Obama, one which includes disdain for the war of terrorism, disdain for Israel, disdain for America's past, disdain for the constitution (at least parts of it). He only has tolerance for dictatorships like Iran, Cuba, Muslim Brotherhood, and ISIL. We should be putting him on trial - not on late night talk shows.

Sorry for rambling, but my message is simple. You may not like Trump but at this point you have no other choices.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: yesitsme on March 21, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.

People must be blinded by how the media portrays Trump. It's easy for the media to make a smear campaign against him... usually the opposing candidates have to pay for a 30 second spot of bias. Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that. Hillary thinks its already great, which shows how clueless and behind the curve she is.

Obama visits Cuba today to show his disdain again for all things America believes in. He has a bash America party with buddy Castro and declares prior US presidents to be idiots. Hillary represents a continuation of Obama and a nod to his leadership. How can anyone even bring themselves to consider her?  She reeks of corruption and murder, she is part of the legacy of Obama, one which includes disdain for the war of terrorism, disdain for Israel, disdain for America's past, disdain for the constitution (at least parts of it). He only has tolerance for dictatorships like Iran, Cuba, Muslim Brotherhood, and ISIL. We should be putting him on trial - not on late night talk shows.

Sorry for rambling, but my message is simple. You may not like Trump but at this point you have no other choices.
Ok nice to hear your opinion, there are other opinion's as well.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 21, 2016, 07:37:15 PM
Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that.

Is that the whole thing? That he says make America great again? What is his vision of what a great America would look like? If I would have any idea how to answer that I may be more confident with him. From his past history I would not say that it is the same as what I would consider a great America.

I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.
Ideologically Cruz is much further from Hillary than Trump. I have no real reason to believe Trump is significantly different thn Hillary on many issues. Why do you think Cruz has nothing to offer? If anything he has much more to offer in policy than Trump who has barely articulated anything more than saying "Make America great again".
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 21, 2016, 07:39:07 PM
I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.

People must be blinded by how the media portrays Trump. It's easy for the media to make a smear campaign against him... usually the opposing candidates have to pay for a 30 second spot of bias. Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that. Hillary thinks its already great, which shows how clueless and behind the curve she is.

Obama visits Cuba today to show his disdain again for all things America believes in. He has a bash America party with buddy Castro and declares prior US presidents to be idiots. Hillary represents a continuation of Obama and a nod to his leadership. How can anyone even bring themselves to consider her?  She reeks of corruption and murder, she is part of the legacy of Obama, one which includes disdain for the war of terrorism, disdain for Israel, disdain for America's past, disdain for the constitution (at least parts of it). He only has tolerance for dictatorships like Iran, Cuba, Muslim Brotherhood, and ISIL. We should be putting him on trial - not on late night talk shows.

Sorry for rambling, but my message is simple. You may not like Trump but at this point you have no other choices.
The media hired Trump to make such a bad impression of himself, and paid him off not to discuss a single coherent policy move? That's.... novel.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2016, 08:31:20 PM
I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.

People must be blinded by how the media portrays Trump. It's easy for the media to make a smear campaign against him... usually the opposing candidates have to pay for a 30 second spot of bias. Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that. Hillary thinks its already great, which shows how clueless and behind the curve she is.

See http://www.mauldineconomics.com/this-week-in-geopolitics/why-the-president-isnt-all-that-important and pay special attention to the last few paragraphs, of which I will quote one profound sentence: "In the end, policies, like plans in war, die the first day in office. But the character of the president might make a difference."

I don't think anyone in this election comes close to Cruz when it comes to character.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 21, 2016, 09:08:19 PM
See http://www.mauldineconomics.com/this-week-in-geopolitics/why-the-president-isnt-all-that-important and pay special attention to the last few paragraphs, of which I will quote one profound sentence: "In the end, policies, like plans in war, die the first day in office. But the character of the president might make a difference."

I don't think anyone in this election comes close to Cruz when it comes to character.

Whats so great about Cruz's character? That he has religion?

I can't tell you anything you dont already know about what "Make America Great Again" means. We may all have different ideas of what it means. Just like "Hope and Change" was meaningless, but resonated with what the public was desperate for at the time.

To me, make america great means stop cowering and apologizing to other countries for our imperfections. If all Trump stands for is a person who is unashamed to be American, then that is something I crave right now in the white house.

It means stop being reliant on welfare and unions to provide people with income. Let's go back to when the American worker was productive and lived by his accomplishments.

It means being successful and unashamed about it. Like we once were.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 21, 2016, 09:09:38 PM
I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.

People must be blinded by how the media portrays Trump. It's easy for the media to make a smear campaign against him... usually the opposing candidates have to pay for a 30 second spot of bias. Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that. Hillary thinks its already great, which shows how clueless and behind the curve she is.

Obama visits Cuba today to show his disdain again for all things America believes in. He has a bash America party with buddy Castro and declares prior US presidents to be idiots. Hillary represents a continuation of Obama and a nod to his leadership. How can anyone even bring themselves to consider her?  She reeks of corruption and murder, she is part of the legacy of Obama, one which includes disdain for the war of terrorism, disdain for Israel, disdain for America's past, disdain for the constitution (at least parts of it). He only has tolerance for dictatorships like Iran, Cuba, Muslim Brotherhood, and ISIL. We should be putting him on trial - not on late night talk shows.

Sorry for rambling, but my message is simple. You may not like Trump but at this point you have no other choices.

What if, beginning tomorrow,  Hillary starts saying everything trump is now saying? You would call her bs, and not believe her. Now tell me why we should treat Trump any differently.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 21, 2016, 09:13:26 PM
Whats so great about Cruz's character? That he has religion?

I can't tell you anything you dont already know about what "Make America Great Again" means. We may all have different ideas of what it means. Just like "Hope and Change" was meaningless, but resonated with what the public was desperate for at the time.

To me, make america great means stop cowering and apologizing to other countries for our imperfections. If all Trump stands for is a person who is unashamed to be American, then that is something I crave right now in the white house.

It means stop being reliant on welfare and unions to provide people with income. Let's go back to when the American worker was productive and lived by his accomplishments.

It means being successful and unashamed about it. Like we once were.
What makes you think that it means the same thing to trump as it means to you?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 21, 2016, 09:14:30 PM


Whats so great about Cruz's character? That he has religion?
.
That he actually has opinions and stabs by them
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 21, 2016, 09:15:21 PM
Whats so great about Cruz's character? That he has religion?

I can't tell you anything you dont already know about what "Make America Great Again" means. We may all have different ideas of what it means. Just like "Hope and Change" was meaningless, but resonated with what the public was desperate for at the time.

To me, make america great means stop cowering and apologizing to other countries for our imperfections. If all Trump stands for is a person who is unashamed to be American, then that is something I crave right now in the white house.

It means stop being reliant on welfare and unions to provide people with income. Let's go back to when the American worker was productive and lived by his accomplishments.

It means being successful and unashamed about it. Like we once were.

You think Cruz apologizes for America? 

You think Trump is anti-union? His whole shtick,  and his base are blue collar white union people. He will not do / say anything that is anti-union.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 21, 2016, 09:17:41 PM
Whats so great about Cruz's character? That he has religion?

I can't tell you anything you dont already know about what "Make America Great Again" means. We may all have different ideas of what it means. Just like "Hope and Change" was meaningless, but resonated with what the public was desperate for at the time.

To me, make america great means stop cowering and apologizing to other countries for our imperfections. If all Trump stands for is a person who is unashamed to be American, then that is something I crave right now in the white house.

It means stop being reliant on welfare and unions to provide people with income. Let's go back to when the American worker was productive and lived by his accomplishments.

It means being successful and unashamed about it. Like we once were.
Health, wealth, happiness, and peace in the world. That's my motto. Sounds pretty good, no? So now you're going to vote for me? Of course not, because anyone can promise the world. I haven't presented any coherent plan how I'm going to deliver that. Neither has the Donald.
Possibly Trump's most important endorsement thus far came from Ben Carson. He said "You can vote for this guy. I can vouch for him that he's a liar." Doesn't that sound reassuring?
Mr. Trump is not unashamed to be American. He's unashamed to be a supremacist. America was founded on principles contrary to every word the guy says.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 21, 2016, 09:19:46 PM
That he actually has opinions and stabs by them
Freudian slip?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2016, 09:40:13 PM
Whats so great about Cruz's character? That he has religion?
No personal offense, but that sounds like you've been taking debate lessons from Trump.

Respond with an outrageous statement that has a grain of truth in it, but implies a lot more than it says, all while keeping the discussion at a very shallow level.

What do you know about Cruz?

That he's the only one of the candidates that got to argue positions in front of the SCOTUS?

That he actually is consistent in his positions?

That he is disliked by the party elites PRECISELY because he's unwavering in his positions?

That he's smart enough to put a poison pill into legislation so that it cannot be used for its intended (bad) purposes?

Oh, and just by the way, religion, and more so - one's adherence to their own religious principles, speaks VOLUMES of a person's character!!!

I have interacted with various non-Jewish religious people, Christians, Mormons and others. And I can tell you that in most cases truly religious people tend to be people of character. It is true that a Goy will NEVER truly grasp what it means to be a jew (Halevai we should all grasp and appreciate it properly), but I will take a truly religious Goy over an assimilated Yid in a heartbeat. (That being said, I still intend to vote for Bernie if he survives until the NY primaries).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 21, 2016, 09:46:44 PM
I can't believe so many people are still clicking for Cruz. He's got absolutely nothing to offer. Even if you don't like Trump, at least have someone who can be a lesser evil than Hillary.

People must be blinded by how the media portrays Trump. It's easy for the media to make a smear campaign against him... usually the opposing candidates have to pay for a 30 second spot of bias. Trump is the only one with a vision I'd like to see fulfilled. Make America great again.... I'd like that. Hillary thinks its already great, which shows how clueless and behind the curve she is.

How can anyone even bring themselves to consider her?  She reeks of corruption and murder, she is part of the legacy of Obama, one which includes disdain for the war of terrorism, disdain for Israel, disdain for America's past, disdain for the constitution (at least parts of it).

Sorry for rambling, but my message is simple. You may not like Trump but at this point you have no other choices.

You do realize that the only Republican who consistently loses to Hillary in polls (RCP average of -6) and has worse favorability that Hillary is Donald Trump.

A vote for Trump in the primary is a vote for President Clinton.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 21, 2016, 09:49:25 PM
@exgingi Fyi, in every single poll, Bernie does better than Hillary against all the republican matchups. You may want to consider voting for Cruz and stop Trump from 1237
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2016, 09:57:06 PM
@exgingi Fyi, in every single poll, Bernie does better than Hillary against all the republican matchups. You may want to consider voting for Cruz and stop Trump from 1237
If you think being registered Republican in NY makes any sense, I challenge you to show me how. Do you even know how NY delegates are awarded in NY? I didn't check, as I don't think it would matter, but given NY political culture I would venture to say that party insiders are not likely to cede control to any pesky NY voters.

I don't even think my vote for Bernie (even if he survives to the NY primaries) will make any difference, it's just a statement and possibly a fun thing to do. The only time my vote in NY can count is in very local elections where there are more than 2 candidates with serious backing running (an almost impossible situation).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 21, 2016, 10:10:19 PM
Well, if nothing else I can now see how Cruz got so many votes in this DDF poll :P

Gingi - if I've offended you personally in any way, I apologize. If not, try to respond like a grownup. OK, now I apologize for offending you.

Look all, I'm not saying that Trump is a great guy at all. But Cruz makes my skin crawl. You can tell me all the great lawyerly things Cruz has done and we can debate what that means for his candidacy. And maybe you would even convince me. But I think it's way too late for Cruz to beat Trump, so I'm not sure why you think debating that is a worthwhile topic anymore.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: tec on March 21, 2016, 10:19:29 PM
Following
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2016, 10:28:39 PM
Well, if nothing else I can now see how Cruz got so many votes in this DDF poll :P

Did you notice the wording of the poll question?

Gingi - if I've offended you personally in any way, I apologize. If not, try to respond like a grownup. OK, now I apologize for offending you.

Couldn't have meant me. 1. I am ExGingi, 2. It is almost impossible to offend me, 3. I can't even see how one might think I was offended. Any mention of offensiveness was just meant as a preemptive apology to you.

But I think it's way too late for Cruz to beat Trump, so I'm not sure why you think debating that is a worthwhile topic anymore.

Here's what you might be missing: none of this discussion makes any difference whatsoever (except if here and there a vort about אמונה or יראת שמים slips in and ends up affecting someone). This is purely a form of entertainment. Some people follow baseball and enjoy it, other people enjoy political discussions.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 21, 2016, 10:31:27 PM
I am ExGingi,

So you're bald, and jealous of Trump's hair?  ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 21, 2016, 11:16:17 PM
"It was a very dangerous time . . . Many people people turned down this honor. I did not. I took the risk and I'm glad I did." #GrandMartialTrump
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 21, 2016, 11:17:42 PM
So you're bald, and jealous of Trump's hair?  ;)
ALOL

My DW goes crazy when I say I envy bald people that don't have to spend so much time at the barber.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 21, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
"It was a very dangerous time . . . Many people people turned down this honor. I did not. I took the risk and I'm glad I did." #GrandMarshallTrump

FTFY.
(I'm not gonna make a joke about Trump loving the poorly educated.)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 21, 2016, 11:58:03 PM
Do you even know how NY delegates are awarded in NY? I didn't check, as I don't think it would matter, but given NY political culture I would venture to say that party insiders are not likely to cede control to any pesky NY voters.


14 Delegates to the statewide winner, and 3 per Congressional district (assuming the winner gets above 50%.) So if you live in a district with very few Republican voters your vote is very valuable.

At this point its too late to switch registration to republican to vote in the presidential primary. 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 22, 2016, 01:13:52 AM
If you think being registered Republican in NY makes any sense, I challenge you to show me how. Do you even know how NY delegates are awarded in NY? I didn't check, as I don't think it would matter, but given NY political culture I would venture to say that party insiders are not likely to cede control to any pesky NY voters.

I don't even think my vote for Bernie (even if he survives to the NY primaries) will make any difference, it's just a statement and possibly a fun thing to do. The only time my vote in NY can count is in very local elections where there are more than 2 candidates with serious backing running (an almost impossible situation).

I live in LA, so I'm in a similar situation. I guess it's too late for you now, so w/e. Anyways, I'm excited to finally vote for a candidate I actually like! Especially if my vote will mean something.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: sharkky on March 22, 2016, 01:21:37 AM
I don't even think my vote for Bernie (even if he survives to the NY primaries) will make any difference, it's just a statement and possibly a fun thing to do. The only time my vote in NY can count is in very local elections where there are more than 2 candidates with serious backing running (an almost impossible situation).
if u start thinking about if you can make a difference, you would/should never vote. So IMO any talk of making a difference is always irrelevant
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 22, 2016, 02:22:25 AM
14 Delegates to the statewide winner, and 3 per Congressional district (assuming the winner gets above 50%.) So if you live in a district with very few Republican voters your vote is very valuable.

At this point its too late to switch registration to republican to vote in the presidential primary.
Is it open or closed?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on March 22, 2016, 12:22:41 PM
Trump will get now more support with this story in Brussels
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 22, 2016, 12:25:32 PM
Trump will get now more support with this story in Brussels
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 22, 2016, 01:36:53 PM
Is it open or closed?

Closed.

If you're a registered voter who wants to change enrollment from one party to another, or from independent non-enrolled status, it's too late. The deadline was Oct. 9, according to the New York Board of Elections.

If you are not registered you can register until March 25th.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 22, 2016, 03:20:00 PM
Trump will get now more support with this story in Brussels

Exactly. That's really a big piece of his x-factor - the fact that he will come right out and say what we are all thinking, and wish our administration would say.

Detractors will say that by being blunt and condemning terrorist groups we offend people and harm diplomatic relations. And I'm right there with half of America saying F!@# that - let's worry more about offending the victims and alienating our own citizens with our cowardice. Should the victims and their families pretend that they were all in car accidents?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 22, 2016, 03:26:02 PM
As opposed to this kind of response....

Quote
Hillary ClintonVerified account
‏@HillaryClinton
My thoughts and prayers are with the families of those killed and wounded, and all the people of Belgium. -H

These terrorists seek to undermine the democratic values that are the foundation of our way of life. They will never succeed. -H

Trite sayings, followed by some motivational BS. Hillary completely misses the point that what the terrorists really seek is to kill Westerners. And they are succeeding. Try telling all of today's victims that the terrorists didn't succeed.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2016, 01:22:51 PM
So is this the end of the Cruz campaign.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 25, 2016, 01:27:58 PM


So is this the end of the Cruz campaign.
What?

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2016, 02:35:27 PM
#Cruz$exScandal.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2016, 02:38:54 PM
Even if true, how is it worse than Trump's numerous affairs?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2016, 02:40:55 PM
Because the media is talking about Cruz's affairs and not Trump's?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 25, 2016, 02:47:37 PM
Even if true, how is it worse than Trump's numerous affairs?
Because as Trump said, he could murder someone and his supporters would still support him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 25, 2016, 03:15:35 PM
Because the media is talking about Cruz's affairs and not Trump's?
Uhmmm which media... I haven't seen it anywhere....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 25, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
Because the media is talking about Cruz's affairs and not Trump's?
You seriously calling the national inquirer the media talking about it?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 25, 2016, 03:24:55 PM
Uhmmm which media... I haven't seen it anywhere....
Type Cruz into Google, and the first suggestion is Cruz affairs.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 25, 2016, 03:29:30 PM
Type Cruz into Google, and the first suggestion is Cruz affairs.
The story is only as strong as the source. ....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 25, 2016, 03:36:02 PM
Ouch. Looks bad for Trump after his threat to spill the beans on Heidi. The political snitch is probably in Hillary's camp.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 25, 2016, 03:38:25 PM
You seriously calling the national inquirer the media talking about it?
Before even looking let me guess, this is the headline story on drudge ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 25, 2016, 03:41:44 PM
Ouch. Looks bad for Trump after his threat to spill the beans on Heidi. The political snitch is probably in Hillary's camp.
Yup. It's pretty obvious what this is in response to.
It's a moot point, though. I don't think Donald Trump is of "questionable" character. There's not much to question. He doesn't try to hide the fact that he's a low life. Putting up pictures of his wife posing unclad on a magazine cover isn't showing anything new about him that people don't already know and not care about. Cruz has much more to lose, being as he portrays himself as an upstanding person. Trump doesn't bother with that, nor is he aiming for that angle.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on March 25, 2016, 03:45:23 PM
Before even looking let me guess, this is the headline story on drudge ?
That was the first place I checked and is actually not which means it probably doesn't even have a drop of credibility
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 25, 2016, 03:48:06 PM
Yup. It's pretty obvious what this is in response to.
It's a moot point, though. I don't think Donald Trump is of "questionable" character. There's not much to question. He doesn't try to hide the fact that he's a low life. Putting up pictures of his wife posing unclad on a magazine cover isn't showing anything new about him that people don't already know and not care about. Cruz has much more to lose, being as he portrays himself as an upstanding person. Trump doesn't bother with that, nor is he aiming for that angle.
Because his forward about his lowlife behavior hes not of "questionable" character!?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 25, 2016, 03:59:03 PM
Because his forward about his lowlife behavior hes not of "questionable" character!?

Yup he is unquestionably base of character. At least, thats what I think he means.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on March 25, 2016, 03:59:22 PM
It's not questionable whether or not he's a lowlife. It's pretty obvious that he is, and he'll be the first to admit that.
Gotcha, I thought you were excusing his behavior due to him being open about it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 25, 2016, 04:01:02 PM
Yup he is unquestionably base of character. At least, thats what I think he means.
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 25, 2016, 06:20:35 PM
So is this the end of the Cruz campaign.
Or the Trump campaign... which ever way it goes.
I personally do not believe it all. There are so many holes, and it "conveniently" surfaced at the perfect time in the latest Trump/Cruz smear battle.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 25, 2016, 06:26:27 PM
Or the Trump campaign... which ever way it goes.
I personally do not believe it all. There are so many holes, and it "conveniently" surfaced at the perfect time in the latest Trump/Cruz smear battle.
Definitely not the end of the Trump campaign. He's said much worse; his supporters could care less, and are proud of this aspect of him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 25, 2016, 06:35:40 PM
Definitely not the end of the Trump campaign. He's said much worse; his supporters could care less, and are proud of this aspect of him.
You're prob right; but if this story turns out to be completely false and that Trump was directly involved in its fabrication, it won't go down well for his campaign.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on March 25, 2016, 06:58:58 PM
You see, he is not that much of an idiot, you are not going to find his direct fingerprints behind this.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 27, 2016, 01:06:52 PM
Lots of places reporting the Rubio campaign was shopping this story to multiple outlets, but none would touch it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 27, 2016, 11:17:28 PM
.
. https://vimeo.com/160567326 (https://vimeo.com/160567326)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: rs242 on March 27, 2016, 11:20:52 PM
https://vimeo.com/160566766 (https://vimeo.com/160566766)
.
Good point
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 28, 2016, 12:01:08 AM
Mazal Tov to Donald on his new ainekel.  He already has a name but maybe he'll get a different one at the bris.  Anyone know who the mohel is?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: TimT on March 28, 2016, 12:08:33 AM
Mazal Tov to Donald on his new ainekel.  He already has a name but maybe he'll get a different one at the bris.  Anyone know who the mohel is?
They'd better not nickname him Ted.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 12:48:02 AM


Mazal Tov to Donald on his new ainekel.  He already has a name but maybe he'll get a different one at the bris.  Anyone know who the mohel is?
Don't be surprised if it'll be Donald J Trump...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 28, 2016, 12:51:17 AM
Don't be surprised if it'll be Donald J Trump...
Hope his small hands won't be an issue.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: beeweegee on March 28, 2016, 12:53:54 AM
Hope his small hands won't be an issue.
The Bris is actually pushed off because the baby is orange.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 28, 2016, 11:37:47 AM
Don't be surprised if it'll be Donald J Trump...
Lol..  It's unfortunately far from a joke..  He'll say I know the best..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 28, 2016, 11:59:43 AM
Anyone know who the mohel is?

It'll be the same guy as the last one.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on March 28, 2016, 01:23:34 PM
the grandfather Reb Donald is mechubad mit RUTZ EL HAKISEI

די זיידע ר' דונלד איז מכובד מיט רץ אל הכסא
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 28, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
the grandfather Reb Donald is mechubad mit RUTZ EL HAKISEI

די זיידע ר' דונלד איז מכובד מיט רץ אל הכסא
Reminds me of the old election comparison:

In the US, candidates RUN for office.
In the UK, candidates STAND for election
In Israel, candidates attempt to KEEP THEIR SEATS.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: username on March 28, 2016, 01:56:52 PM
The Bris is actually pushed off because the baby is orange.
HIPAA
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 28, 2016, 02:05:43 PM
It'll be the same guy as the last one.
Which was?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 28, 2016, 03:24:04 PM
Which was?

Exactly. It's not something they've publicized.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on March 28, 2016, 03:39:59 PM
bhol.co.il is reporting that there is a big chance that trump will be the sandek and they got a heter for that
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 28, 2016, 04:01:15 PM
bhol.co.il is reporting that there is a big chance that trump will be the sandek and they got a heter for that
Heck, they got a heter for her to become jewish, getting a heter for him to be sandek should not be to hard.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 04:01:52 PM
Interesting that Trump doesn't claim it was a נולד מהול..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on March 28, 2016, 05:17:56 PM
Heck, they got a heter for her to become jewish,
????
wasn't she megayer ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 28, 2016, 05:38:45 PM
bhol.co.il is reporting that there is a big chance that trump will be the sandek and they got a heter for that
ראי' לסתור?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 28, 2016, 07:21:49 PM
????
wasn't she megayer ?
Technically.

But she should not have been allowed to be megayer to begin with, for she never had in mind to keep 613 mitzvos. To be converted by a reform or conservative rabbi, we'd just hold shes not jewish but a (modern) orthodox rabbi was megayer her.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 28, 2016, 07:39:10 PM
Technically.

But she should not have been allowed to be megayer to begin with, for she never had in mind to keep 613 mitzvos. To be converted by a reform or conservative rabbi, we'd just hold shes not jewish but a (modern) orthodox rabbi was megayer her.

And you say this because? Other than how she dresses, what do you think you know about her?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 07:41:18 PM
And you say this because? Other than how she dresses, what do you think you know about her?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 07:44:19 PM
And you say this because? Other than how she dresses, what do you think you know about her?
Picture of her walking stroller down park Ave on Shabbos two weeks ago..

(Unless there is an eiruv there??)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 28, 2016, 07:48:10 PM
Picture of her walking stroller down park Ave on Shabbos two weeks ago..

(Unless there is an eiruv there??)

The upper east side folks think there is an eiruv.  Horayos deals with this issue.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 07:55:52 PM
The upper east side folks think there is an eiruv.  Horayos deals with this issue.
Ok, I guess should be דן לכף זכות

PS I assume that she chose to go to shul that Shabbos to hear parshas zachor..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 07:58:31 PM
Picture of her walking stroller down park Ave on Shabbos two weeks ago..

(Unless there is an eiruv there??)

http://www.jewishcenter.org/manhattan-eruv.html
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: joe1234 on March 28, 2016, 08:07:30 PM
And you say this because? Other than how she dresses, what do you think you know about her?
is that not enough?  :o
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 08:09:37 PM
is that not enough?  :o
She is not worse then many modern Orthodox Jews
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 08:12:46 PM
She is not worse then many modern Orthodox Jews
Then shame on those MO Jews who she's not worse from.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 08:13:45 PM
Then shame on those MO Jews who she's not worse from.
Agree.
But not sure if you can invalidate geirus based on that..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: joe1234 on March 28, 2016, 08:21:09 PM
She is not worse then many modern Orthodox Jews
she sure is! halachaclly speaking if a jew doesn't keep one of the 613 mitzvos they are still jewish, but a geir/giyores that does not have in mind to keep every single one of the 613 mitzvos, that renders the geirus invalid. so she is therefore not jewish.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 08:22:00 PM
she sure is! halachaclly speaking if a jew doesn't keep one of the 613 mitzvos they are still jewish, but a geir/giyores that does not have in mind to keep every single one of the 613 mitzvos, that renders the geirus invalid. so she is therefore not jewish.

But not sure if you can invalidate geirus based on that..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on March 28, 2016, 08:26:52 PM
she sure is! halachaclly speaking if a jew doesn't keep one of the 613 mitzvos they are still jewish, but a geir/giyores that does not have in mind to keep every single one of the 613 mitzvos, that renders the geirus invalid. so she is therefore not jewish.
and where do u get that she doesn't/didn't intend to keep all 613 ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: joe1234 on March 28, 2016, 08:27:46 PM
Agree.
But not sure if you can invalidate geirus based on that..
why ever not???  :o
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on March 28, 2016, 08:31:15 PM
why ever not???  :o

Invalidate Geirus based on levush??  :o
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 08:31:55 PM
why ever not???  :o
If you would bother having a look at hilchos geirus in שו״ע you would see that בדיעבד it's not so pashut

(Even if we assume that immodest dress is a דאורייתא or that a דרבנן would also pose a problem בדיעבד)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 28, 2016, 08:50:26 PM
and where do u get that she doesn't/didn't intend to keep all 613 ?
I'm willing to bet she never brought a מנחת מרחשת... :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 28, 2016, 08:55:55 PM
she sure is! halachaclly speaking if a jew doesn't keep one of the 613 mitzvos they are still jewish, but a geir/giyores that does not have in mind to keep every single one of the 613 mitzvos, that renders the geirus invalid. so she is therefore not jewish.

I don't want to be rude, but this is one of those times when a person should admit the limitations in their own knowledge.
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 09:25:46 PM
If you would bother having a look at hilchos geirus in שו״ע you would see that בדיעבד it's not so pashut

(Even if we assume that immodest dress is a דאורייתא or that a דרבנן would also pose a problem בדיעבד)
Actually Rav Moshe specifically deals with this exact question of a woman who is being megayer (לשם אישות) and is not planning on dressing according to Halacha if בדיעבד her geirus is valid-and he concludes that it probably is valid (אגר״מ יו״ד ח״ג סי׳ קו׳)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 28, 2016, 09:42:50 PM
Actually Rav Moshe specifically deals with this exact question of a woman who is being megayer (לשם אישות) and is not planning on dressing according to Halacha if בדיעבד her geirus is valid-and he concludes that it probably is valid (אגר״מ יו״ד ח״ג סי׳ קו׳)

?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 28, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
I don't think the status of Ivanka's geirus is the topic of this thread. Go ahead and have the conversation in some halacha thread.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 10:05:07 PM


I don't think the status of Ivanka's geirus is the topic of this thread. Go ahead and have the conversation in some comic thread.
FTFY

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 28, 2016, 10:18:12 PM
FTFY


Well, the whole GOP field is one giant comic playground, so actually I think it probably does belong right here.  :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 10:20:29 PM
?
Go look it up.
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 10:26:18 PM
I don't think the status of Ivanka's geirus is the topic of this thread. Go ahead and have the conversation in some halacha thread.
Well it's relevant to us as Jewish voters if we should/shouldn't vote for a candidate that has a Jewish daughter..
On second thought if she was megayer, she's not really considered to be his daughter anymore, which raises the question- was her geirus valid?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on March 28, 2016, 10:26:35 PM
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/198879/ivanka-trump-and-double-standards-for-jewish-converts
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on March 28, 2016, 10:46:08 PM
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/198879/ivanka-trump-and-double-standards-for-jewish-converts
If she posts about eating non kosher food that would place her acceptance of mitzvos under question.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 10:54:35 PM
You guys are cracking me up, she's a damn goy, vaytur!
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 11:02:38 PM
You guys are cracking me up, she's a damn goy, vaytur!
Be careful what you say- if she is Jewish- which she may very well be- you are getting involved in מוציא שם רע and being מוציא לעז on her children (including Theodore James ;) )
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on March 28, 2016, 11:06:07 PM
Be careful what you say- if she is Jewish- which she may very well be- you may be getting involved in  מוציא שם רע, and are being מוציא לעז on her children (including Theodore James :)
Not sure if you're being serious or not..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: joe1234 on March 28, 2016, 11:26:09 PM
Actually Rav Moshe specifically deals with this exact question of a woman who is being megayer (לשם אישות) and is not planning on dressing according to Halacha if בדיעבד her geirus is valid-and he concludes that it probably is valid (אגר״מ יו״ד ח״ג סי׳ קו׳)
just checked it, sounds like your right  :-X
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 11:30:05 PM
just checked it, sounds like your right  :-X
Thanks for your הסכמה
   
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 28, 2016, 11:31:56 PM
First the Pope saying Donald is not a Christian and now DDF saying Ivanka is not a Jew.

Seriously, everyone should worry about their own ruchnius.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 28, 2016, 11:35:02 PM
and now DDF saying Ivanka is a Jew.
FTFY
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on March 28, 2016, 11:38:07 PM
First the Pope saying Donald is not a Christian and now DDF saying Ivanka is not a Jew.

Seriously, everyone should worry about their own ruchnius.
Perhaps they're both Muslim... :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: joe1234 on March 28, 2016, 11:55:40 PM
Just curios as to what her current job is? Does she do modeling?? :o
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 12:33:36 AM
"And by the way, those liars- yes those crazy liars that say Ivanka is not a Jew- she is one thousand percent Jewish, and I mean one thousand percent, ok? Believe me, believe me.."
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160329/2bdbb47453a23e8ba3aad021154dd7e5.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 29, 2016, 02:15:47 AM
I don't think the status of Ivanka's geirus is the topic of this thread. Go ahead and have the conversation in some halacha thread.
I can tell you are new here. Every thread is a halacha thread.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 29, 2016, 06:53:52 AM
I don't think the status of Ivanka's geirus is the topic of this thread. Go ahead and have the conversation in some halacha thread.
you have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 29, 2016, 07:53:56 AM
I can tell you are new here. Every thread is a halacha thread.

Understood. However, I know quite a bit more about Ivanka than the random people here talking out of their tuches. I do not intend to share that in this forum, so I'm rather trying to point out how people here are judging without knowing much of anything about her and without knowing much about hilchos geirus.

How can the guy who wasn't even aware of Rav Moshe have an opinion on whether her geirus is valid? Gimme a break.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on March 29, 2016, 09:07:36 AM
Understood. However, I know quite a bit more about Ivanka than the random people here talking out of their tuches. I do not intend to share that in this forum, so I'm rather trying to point out how people here are judging without knowing much of anything about her and without knowing much about hilchos geirus.

How can the guy who wasn't even aware of Rav Moshe have an opinion on whether her geirus is valid? Gimme a break.
What about the way she dresses, not even close to any Jewish sect ( not talking about reform).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 09:18:50 AM
What about the way she dresses, not even close to any Jewish sect ( not talking about reform).
Good morning
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Tzafnas Paneach on March 29, 2016, 10:14:35 AM
One of the members of the Bais Din that converted her was Rav Hershel Schachter. If you think he would have converted her without her being 100% sincere your off your mind.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 10:16:52 AM
One of the members of the Bais Din that converted her was Rav Hershel Schachter. If you think he would have converted her without her being 100% sincere your off your mind.
Source?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 10:23:27 AM
She's probably Jewish
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 29, 2016, 10:26:02 AM
She's probably Jewish
Halachakly Jewish probably.
Can't imagine practicing.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Tzafnas Paneach on March 29, 2016, 10:26:09 AM
Source?
It was common knowledge at the time. But if you Google "Hershel Schachter Ivanka" it brings up many places that mention it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
Halachakly Jewish probably.
Can't imagine practicing.
She keeps many mitzvos.
Probably a complete ones on the tznius issue. - she belongs to a modern Orthodox community that for the most part disregards the whole concept. How is she to know better?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 29, 2016, 10:39:55 AM
What about the way she dresses, not even close to any Jewish sect ( not talking about reform).
You need to get out more.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dawie on March 29, 2016, 10:47:41 AM
It was common knowledge at the time. But if you Google "Hershel Schachter Ivanka" it brings up many places that mention it.
Her Rabbi is R Haskell Lookstein, and he was megayr her. Whether the RCA and R' Schacter were involved i dont know
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on March 29, 2016, 10:49:06 AM
You need to get out more.

I was thinking that too...

That you can judge someones judaism and conversion based on how they dress is odd and bizarre..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 10:49:42 AM
Her Rabbi is R Haskell Lookstein, and he was megayr her. Whether the RCA and R' Schacter were involved i dont know
It seems they all were- R Schachter, Lookstein, and some chasidishe Rav from Monsey were the  beis din
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 29, 2016, 11:26:02 AM
I was thinking that too...

That you can judge someones judaism and conversion based on how they dress is odd and bizarre..

+1

She keeps many mitzvos.
Probably a complete ones on the tznius issue. - she belongs to a modern Orthodox community that for the most part disregards the whole concept. How is she to know better?

+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 11:34:22 AM


That you can judge someones judaism and conversion based on how they dress is odd and bizarre..
+1
-1

Apparently, Rav Moshe (mentioned upthread) did not find it so "odd and bizzare"- he has a lengthy responsa about it- though as mentioned he does conclude that בדיעבד it's probably a valid geirus.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 29, 2016, 12:18:58 PM
Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner celebrated Kushner’s 31st birthday with an intimate dinner rather than a blowout Tuesday, when they were seen at “a cozy corner table” at Jesse Schenker’s West Village hot spot Recette. Spies say the pair nibbled on hamachi with uni, fluke with shellfish congee and s’mores with graham cracker ice cream, topped off by a candle. Trump then presented her hubby with two maroon Polo Ralph Lauren waffle shirts and other gifts.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 12:31:20 PM


Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner celebrated Kushner’s 31st birthday with an intimate dinner rather than a blowout Tuesday, when they were seen at “a cozy corner table” at Jesse Schenker’s West Village hot spot Recette. Spies say the pair nibbled on hamachi with uni, fluke with shellfish congee and s’mores with graham cracker ice cream, topped off by a candle. Trump then presented her hubby with two maroon Polo Ralph Lauren waffle shirts and other gifts.

Oh well. I guess they are more modern then I thought. She was still probably mekabel ol mitzvos..
 Jared definitely should not be eating shelfish cogeeee. Ugh.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 29, 2016, 12:38:07 PM
I haven't seen a single picture of Jared in a yarmulka.  Even when they were walking to shul on shabbos.
Btw trump's son Eric is also married to a Jew.  They just don't have any kids yet.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 29, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
I haven't seen a single picture of Jared in a yarmulka.  Even when they were walking to shul on shabbos.
Btw trump's son Eric is also married to a Jew.  They just don't have any kids yet.
Yarmulka doesn't make you Jewish and VV.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 29, 2016, 01:02:26 PM
Yarmulka doesn't make you Jewish and VV.
I'm not questioning that.
As far as I'm concerned they're both jewish.  She converted with an orthodox beis din.  I'm just surprised because it was always reported that he's orthodox.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 01:09:52 PM
Spies say the pair nibbled on hamachi with uni, fluke with shellfish congee and s’mores with graham cracker ice cream, topped off by a candle.
Keyword is "nibbled". Maybe they were being makpid to eat פחות מכשיעור
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on March 29, 2016, 01:15:31 PM
Trump's campaign manager was arrested this morning for battering the reporter a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 01:22:43 PM
I'm not questioning that.
As far as I'm concerned they're both jewish.  She converted with an orthodox beis din.  I'm just surprised because it was always reported that he's orthodox.
Maybe he is open Orthodox.
We are being so judgmental.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 29, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
Probably a complete ones on the tznius issue. - she belongs to a modern Orthodox community that for the most part disregards the whole concept.
Seriously? Just when I thought you couldn't possibly go any lower...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 01:25:10 PM
Seriously? Just when I thought you couldn't possibly go any lower...
Tell us how the woman in her modern Orthodox shul dress.

Please tell me she is the outlier.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 29, 2016, 01:27:42 PM
Tell us how the woman in her modern Orthodox shul dress.

Please tell me she is the outlier.
You're making a blanket statement and calling out an entire community. That would be like me saying that every single Jew that lives in Lakewood is a [insert the many names that it would be appropriate to call you but in the interest of keeping it PG, I won't] because you are. That wouldn't be right to all the others, would it?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 01:29:14 PM
You're making a blanket statement and calling out an entire community. That would be like me saying that every single Jew that lives in Lakewood is a [insert the many names that it would be appropriate to call you but in the interest of keeping it PG, I won't] because you are. That wouldn't be right to all the others, would it?
A blanket statement about the community SHE belongs to. I'm sure it's only a couple of hundred members tops.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 29, 2016, 01:35:36 PM
A blanket statement about the community SHE belongs to. I'm sure it's only a couple of hundred members tops.
Still wrong.

It's incredible with how selective you are in terms of which parts of the Torah you follow. Good thing you were born Jewish (I'm assuming) and didn't convert, because otherwise many people here would be saying that you're not really Jewish either since you never intended on keeping all 613. (On the other hand, that would probably be a good thing considering the fact that you're a disgrace to our religion.)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 01:41:57 PM
Still wrong.

It's incredible with how selective you are in terms of which parts of the Torah you follow. Good thing you were born Jewish (I'm assuming) and didn't convert, because otherwise many people here would be saying that you're not really Jewish either since you never intended on keeping all 613. (On the other hand, that would probably be a good thing considering the fact that you're a disgrace to our religion.)
You don't seem to even know what I am saying. So im not gonna bother figuring out what you are..

Seems you still bent out of shape about TE.. Oh well you'll get over it I hope.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on March 29, 2016, 02:17:59 PM
-1

Apparently, Rav Moshe (mentioned upthread) did not find it so "odd and bizzare"- he has a lengthy responsa about it- though as mentioned he does conclude that בדיעבד it's probably a valid geirus.

You're still trying to judge based on very little actual knowledge. I don't even understand why.

What she does now is not a reflection on what she was mekabel so much as it is a reflection of what her community standards are.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on March 29, 2016, 02:25:07 PM
You're still trying to judge based on very little actual knowledge. I don't even understand why.

What she does now is not a reflection on what she was mekabel so much as it is a reflection of what her community standards are.
Excuse me- I was responding to someone's assertion that practiced and intended manner of dress (even at time of geirus) should have no effect on conversion status- which you enthusiastically agreed to.

Well Rav Moshe was not so convinced..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 29, 2016, 03:05:22 PM
Everybody is goyim and kofrim. We're all going to hell. Cheers. :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 29, 2016, 03:33:44 PM
Everybody is goyim and kofrim. We're all going to hell. Cheers. :)
Only ציונים are  ;)
(ח"ו - יתמו חטאים, ולא חוטאים)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 29, 2016, 03:42:08 PM
Only ציונים are  ;)
(ח"ו - יתמו חטאים, ולא חוטאים)
ועיין פירוש הארטסקרול שם שכותב
SINNERS will cease from the land.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: beeweegee on March 29, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Everybody is goyim and kofrim. We're all going to hell. Cheers. :)
Wow, quite a condensed version of the original   ;) ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on March 29, 2016, 03:47:32 PM
ועיין פירוש הארטסקרול שם שכותב
SINNERS will cease from the land.
מה זה ארטסקרול?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on March 29, 2016, 05:16:07 PM
Well I found the halachik issue which Trumps all others
She eats cauliflower
http://www.ivankatrump.com/recipes-chicken-puttanesca-stuffed-artichokes/?cm_mmc=Twitter-_-Un_IvankaMeals_FoodSwipe_RecipeDownloads-_-032916_1700&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Un_IvankaMeals_FoodSwipe_RecipeDownloads&utm_content=032916_1700&Un_IvankaMeals_FoodSwipe_RecipeDownloads032916_1700

Now Cbc will never hold of her
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on March 29, 2016, 05:22:31 PM
Well I found the halachik issue which Trumps all others
She eats cauliflower
http://www.ivankatrump.com/recipes-chicken-puttanesca-stuffed-artichokes/?cm_mmc=Twitter-_-Un_IvankaMeals_FoodSwipe_RecipeDownloads-_-032916_1700&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Un_IvankaMeals_FoodSwipe_RecipeDownloads&utm_content=032916_1700&Un_IvankaMeals_FoodSwipe_RecipeDownloads032916_1700

Now Cbc will never hold of her
Forget about the cauliflower, maybe she gets Bodek or B'Gan for that, but Artichokes? That's Chazer Treif!  ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 29, 2016, 05:30:30 PM




Now Cbc will never hold of her

Yup, she will never be MY Rabbi

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on March 29, 2016, 11:51:47 PM
you're a disgrace to our religion
No he isn't. And that's a disgraceful thing to say!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on March 30, 2016, 12:19:13 AM


This is too funny  . never saw someone to copy them so good
I love it!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: efflpetzel on March 30, 2016, 01:08:00 AM
No he isn't. And that's a disgraceful thing to say!
Yes he is.

He's an absolute disgrace to yiddishkeit.

The kind of guy that makes people go otd.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 30, 2016, 01:16:18 AM
The kind of guy that makes people go otd.
+1

I can't even count how many childhood friends went OTD because of people with the same attitude as churnbabychurn. Judaism isn't black and white. There isn't one single right way. I'm sure all of us are different in our own ways and those differences don't make some of us better than others. Same applies to our Ravs. While someone may not be your Rav and you may not agree with everything he says, at the end of the day, he's a Rav and deserves respect.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on March 30, 2016, 07:15:31 AM
+1

I can't even count how many childhood friends went OTD because of people with the same attitude as churnbabychurn. Judaism isn't black and white. There isn't one single right way. I'm sure all of us are different in our own ways and those differences don't make some of us better than others. Same applies to our Ravs. While someone may not be your Rav and you may not agree with everything he says, at the end of the day, he's a Rav and deserves respect.
+1

I personally know at least 5 people who have gone otd because of churnbabychurn.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 30, 2016, 07:21:25 AM
+1

I personally know at least 5 people who have gone otd because of churnbabychurn.
Lol
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 30, 2016, 08:21:24 AM
If only yidishkeit wouldn't be so judgmental, if it would be more premissive and accepting, if it wouldnt be so restictive, no one would go OTD.

#DUH!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Emkay on March 30, 2016, 08:35:04 AM


+1

I can't even count how many childhood friends went OTD because of people with the same attitude as churnbabychurn.
That may say something about your social circles.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Avrumi#1 on March 30, 2016, 08:41:43 AM
If only yidishkeit wouldn't be so judgmental, if it would be more premissive and accepting, if it wouldnt be so restictive, no one would go OTD.

#DUH!

+1

That's why 50% do remain Frum. http://rabbipruzansky.com/2012/10/12/the-three-ply-cord/ (http://rabbipruzansky.com/2012/10/12/the-three-ply-cord/)
Quote
A new unpublished study recently brought to my attention has challenging implications for the Torah world – to wit, that 50% of the graduates of Modern Orthodox high schools are no longer Shabbat or Kashrut observant within two years of their graduation. Another study from last year reported the not-quite-shocking news that 25% of those graduates who attend secular colleges assimilate during college and completely abandon Torah and mitzvot.

Gotta see the positive. See the half of the glass that's full.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on March 30, 2016, 09:14:19 AM
That may say something about your social circles.
Nope. But it says everything about the chareidi high school that I grew up going to.

ETA: Just to be clear, in no way do I mean that every chareidi high school is bad or that I have something against people that live that lifestyle. I'm just making a comment that was specific to my high school.

+1

That's why 50% do remain Frum. http://rabbipruzansky.com/2012/10/12/the-three-ply-cord/ (http://rabbipruzansky.com/2012/10/12/the-three-ply-cord/)
Gotta see the positive. See the half of the glass that's full.
SMH. You can't possibly be serious. This isn't a situation where you take that approach. Even 1% is 1% too many.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 03, 2016, 06:30:24 PM
bhol.co.il is reporting that there is a big chance that trump will be the sandek and they got a heter for that
He would've been, if he hadn't skipped the bris. Oh, well, hopefully they'll make a second one for Zaidy when he has time.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: meme on April 03, 2016, 06:36:29 PM
He would've been, if he hadn't skipped the bris. Oh, well, hopefully they'll make a second one for Zaidy when he has time.
Well according to the renowned moheles Dr Emily Blake, the Donald does not qualify to be sandek but you could be maikel to have him as kvater (I'm not sure with which spouse..)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/03/30/next-up-donald-trump-jewish-circumcision-ceremony/82427428/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 01:52:16 PM
I believe if we would just be matir znus, more people would stay on the derech.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 04, 2016, 01:56:22 PM
Is this the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign? Am I being much to presumptuous?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 04, 2016, 02:02:45 PM
Is this the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign? Am I being much to presumptuous?
Why so?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on April 04, 2016, 02:51:21 PM
Is this the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign?
What are you referring to?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Welder on April 04, 2016, 04:26:56 PM
Is this the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign? Am I being much to presumptuous?
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 04, 2016, 04:29:54 PM
Is this the beginning of the end of the Trump campaign? Am I being much to presumptuous?
Yeah.. It's winding down.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 04:45:46 PM
Yeah.. It's winding down.

IMO he's going to start to lose momentum, a brokered convention will be more likely, and trump will try to pull the "Trump" card of a potential independent run to pressure the GOP into selecting him, claiming that they aren't treating him "fairly." I don't think the GOP will balk, but am not sure if they'll select the hardliner Cruz or the more practical Kasich.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 05:01:51 PM
I don't think the GOP will balk, but am not sure if they'll select the hardliner Cruz or the more practical Kasich.
WHat exactly is practical about Kasich? He hasn't even come close to winning any state but his own? He hasn't even gotten above 20%except for 2 states with most states below 10%. He is the guy who can win an election?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 05:06:36 PM
WHat exactly is practical about Kasich? He hasn't even come close to winning any state but his own? He hasn't even gotten above 20%except for 2 states with most states below 10%. He is the guy who can win an election?
Have you seen the Cruz vs Clinton and Kasich vs Clinton polls?
Never mind that no Republican has won without carrying OH and Kasich will easily carry OH while Cruz will not.

But it's true that Kasich doesn't excite the base, so he's not going to be nominated.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 05:08:29 PM
Have you seen the Cruz vs Clinton and Kasich vs Clinton polls?
Never mind that no Republican has won without carrying OH and Kasich will easily carry OH while Cruz will not.
Those polls are meaningless at this point. There is no point in winning OH if you lose the other 49. I can see Kasich being a good president but I can't see him getting there.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:23:04 PM
WHat exactly is practical about Kasich? He hasn't even come close to winning any state but his own? He hasn't even gotten above 20%except for 2 states with most states below 10%. He is the guy who can win an election?

A general election, yes. Head to head polls (which have been relatively accurate and consistent so far) have consistently shown that Trump gets obliterated by Clinton in a head to head, while Kasich has been leading by a sizable margin. These polls are supported by the primary exit polls that have consistently indicated that apprx 1/3 of republican voters would NOT vote for Cruz or Trump if they were selected as the party's nominee. I know many people that typically vote republican that are seriously considering voting for Hillary in this election if Trump or Cruz are selected.

Kasich hasn't done well in the primaries because he's a moderate, but that's exactly what the republican party needs if t hey wants to take over the white house. Both Trump and Cruz lose more people than they bring in, especially in swing states. Kasich would likely win Ohio and could very possibly win several other of the significant swing states. There is no statistical backing or evidence whatsoever to the claim that trump would bring historically blue states in play this election; IMO it is more likely that he would bring historically red states in play.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:24:14 PM
Those polls are meaningless at this point. There is no point in winning OH if you lose the other 49. I can see Kasich being a good president but I can't see him getting there.

Which other 49 would he lose??? You're confusing the general election matchup with the primary, which is less meaningful than the polls at this point.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:25:34 PM
But it's true that Kasich doesn't excite the base, so he's not going to be nominated.

Would be hilarious (and terrible) if Hillary nominates him as her VP.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 05:27:10 PM
Oh please. Just because he's socially liberal doesn't mean he would be in her ticket.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 05:33:58 PM
Which other 49 would he lose??? You're confusing the general election matchup with the primary, which is less meaningful than the polls at this point.
Other than OH which state can he win that Romney lost? Which states can he lose which Romney won? He has no path to the presidency. It helps him nothing that he may lose CA to Hillary by less than Cruz or Trump. If he cannot get people to vote for him in the primary then he can't get people to vote for him in the general. Of course those who will vote for Mickey Mouse as the R against Hillary will still vote for him.

Also, there is no candidate who will alienate more voters in a brokered convention than Kasich. It is one thing to bring in someone who wasn't running but another to nominate the one who everyone voted against.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:34:52 PM
Oh please. Just because he's socially liberal doesn't mean he would be in her ticket.

It won't happen. But it would be hilarious (and disastrous) if it would
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 04, 2016, 05:39:59 PM
Other than OH which state can he win that Romney lost? Which states can he lose which Romney won? He has no path to the presidency. It helps him nothing that he may lose CA to Hillary by less than Cruz or Trump. If he cannot get people to vote for him in the primary then he can't get people to vote for him in the general. Of course those who will vote for Mickey Mouse as the R against Hillary will still vote for him.

Also, there is no candidate who will alienate more voters in a brokered convention than Kasich. It is one thing to bring in someone who wasn't running but another to nominate the one who everyone voted against.
The question is if he would've gotten Rubio votes, or if Cruz would've. At this point, there's no way of knowing that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:40:54 PM
Also, there is no candidate who will alienate more voters in a brokered convention than Kasich. It is one thing to bring in someone who wasn't running but another to nominate the one who everyone voted against.

Opposite. I don't think many people who voted for Trump/Cruz did so because they hated Kasich. I do think many people that voted against Trump/Cruz did so because they hated Trump/Cruz. Both of them divide the republican party, for better or for worse.

You are correct that a brokered convention runs a serious risk of fragmenting the republican party further, but that risk exists if any of the 3 current candidates are selected. Again, the exit poll results for the states that have had primaries so far, especially the swing states, are frightening.

I am sure the party leaders and delegates will try, as best as possible, to use the convention to unite the party in favor of the candidate they select and against Hillary. You are correct that this will be difficult to do.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:41:11 PM
The question is if he would've gotten Rubio votes, or if Cruz would've. At this point, there's no way of knowing that.

According to Trump he'd get the trump votes :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 05:47:11 PM
Opposite. I don't think many people who voted for Trump/Cruz did so because they hated Kasich. I do think many people that voted against Trump/Cruz did so because they hated Trump/Cruz. Both of them divide the republican party, for better or for worse.

I don't think there is that much hate of Cruz among Trump supporters other than the real diehards who are taking the competition between them personally. THose who hate Cruz due to his Senate antics aren't for Trump. The fact is that 90-95% of votes in most states has been against Kasich. THere was not a single point in this cycle that he had a chance of winning with votes. For him to get the nomination would be seen by almost anyone as stealing it. As the delegate count stands now that would not be the case with either Trump or Cruz.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 05:53:02 PM
The fact is that 90-95% of votes in most states has been against Kasich.

That's similar to the argument that 80% of the votes in most states have been against Cruz. That's because the competition split the anti-trump votes. Kasich isn't polling too badly in the remaining states (he's ahead of Cruz in many of them), though he probably will not win that many of them.

The only way Kasich would be nominated in a brokered convention would be if the party unites around the idea of beating Hillary. It isn't unheard of to select a candidate with few delegates. Statistically, I wouldn't be surprised if Trump doesn't get 200 electoral votes, and I don't see how Cruz wins in swing states.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 06:42:11 PM
I hate the 4 remaining candidates.
I don't remember an election where each candidate is worse than the next.
It's the weirdest election cycle ever.

Believe it or not, to me Hillary is the best of the bunch.

Trump is a 2 year old nutcase.
Cruz is a hard line right wing nut.
Uncle Boynie is a hard line left wing nut.

At least Hillary is just an uninspired serial liar!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 06:44:52 PM
And what's wrong with Kasich?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 06:51:35 PM
And what's wrong with Kasich?
Just because he's still running, doesn't mean I have to recognize he exists.
All the other 18 candidates could also be running.

Once you have no shot of winning a majority of the votes, you have no business running.


Of the 4 legitimately running, I hate them all.

If there's a brokered convention, I'd rather Rubio or Romney over Kasich.
I guess I have to hope for a brokered convention by the GOP.

Or that Hillary gets indicted and a sane democrat gets the nomination.


Are these 4 really the best our country has to offer?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 06:53:59 PM
And what's wrong with Kasich?
He is not a candidate
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 07:18:16 PM
Romney/Kasich would be a sweet ticket for a brokered convention.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 04, 2016, 07:21:42 PM
How come Kasich is the only one polling so well against Hillary?

Am I nuts for thinking that the establishment is behind this because they want the R to unite around him at a brokered convention?

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 07:24:13 PM
Because Cruz is too extreme and Trump is too unstable.
A center right candidate picks up both the right and center votes, hence Kasich's numbers vs Clinton.

Plus GOP insiders can't stand Cruz or Trump...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 04, 2016, 07:24:53 PM
Romney/Kasich would be a sweet ticket for a brokered convention.
Too sickeningly establishment for many to stomach.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 07:25:58 PM
The tea party has the numbers to influence the nomination, not the general election.

Anyway, Kasich has lowered my taxes and created a lot of jobs here. What has Trump or Cruz accomplished?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 08:05:57 PM
Romney/Kasich would be a sweet ticket for a brokered convention.
Because Romney showed us how he can win in the general election?

Because Cruz is too extreme and Trump is too unstable.
A center right candidate picks up neither the right nor the center votes, hence Kasich's numbers vs Clinton.

Plus GOP insiders can't stand Cruz or Trump...
FTFY who likes someone who doesn't believe in anything? When was the last time someone won as center right? George W may have touted "compasionate conservatism" but on all other fronts was pretty conservative.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 08:09:54 PM
Rubio/Kasich has exactly 2 things that Romney lacked.
FL and OH.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 04, 2016, 08:14:07 PM


A general election, yes. Head to head polls (which have been relatively accurate and consistent so far) have consistently shown that Trump gets obliterated by Clinton in a head to head, while Kasich has been leading by a sizable margin. These polls are supported by the primary exit polls that have consistently indicated that apprx 1/3 of republican voters would NOT vote for Cruz or Trump if they were selected as the party's nominee. I know many people that typically vote republican that are seriously considering voting for Hillary in this election if Trump or Cruz are selected.

Kasich hasn't done well in the primaries because he's a moderate, but that's exactly what the republican party needs if t hey wants to take over the white house. Both Trump and Cruz lose more people than they bring in, especially in swing states. Kasich would likely win Ohio and could very possibly win several other of the significant swing states. There is no statistical backing or evidence whatsoever to the claim that trump would bring historically blue states in play this election; IMO it is more likely that he would bring historically red states in play.

Disagree with about everything you said here.  The Republicans have been saying forever that a moderate candidate is what they need to beat the Democrats but that has worked in like forever....the polls having kasich beating hillary are meaninglessuntil he is a serious candidate
Romney/Kasich would be a sweet ticket for a brokered convention.
Was that a total joke or you meant Rubio? Even that though is a terrible idea Rubio is to damaged from losing needs time to rebuild. ...
I still stand by my cruz/kasich ticket I think that could really work
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 04, 2016, 08:14:56 PM
Rubio/Kasich has exactly 2 things that Romney lacked.
FL and OH.
Rubio lost Florida with jusy republicans voting...not a good sign for a general election
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 08:18:09 PM
The tea party has the numbers to influence the nomination, not the general election.

Anyway, Kasich has lowered my taxes and created a lot of jobs here. What has Trump or Cruz accomplished?

You mean he hired a bunch of state employees? Because those are the only jobs he can create. Were you for expanded Obamacare Medicaid in OH? If not he thinks you're going to hell.

He believes private businesses should be forced to cater gay weddings.

If you want someone to lower taxes, Cruz wants 10% flat tax.

Kasich is basically what a Democrat was before they went full on socialist.

Kasich and Romney are empty suits, but at least Romney looks presidential.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 08:27:09 PM
You mean he hired a bunch of state employees? Because those are the only jobs he can create. Were you for expanded Obamacare Medicaid in OH? If not he thinks you're going to hell.

He believes private businesses should be forced to cater gay weddings.

If you want someone to lower taxes, Cruz wants 10% flat tax.

Kasich is basically what a Democrat was before they went full on socialist.

Kasich and Romney are empty suits, but at least Romney looks presidential.
10% flat tax is a joke. And Cruz makes me puke. He's the only candidate that I wouldn't let babysit my kids, (now that Carson dropped out  :) )
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 08:27:58 PM
You wouldn't like a 10% flat tax?

Regardless, the points is, he's for the lowest taxes of the bunch. Kasich is a big-government guy - he's cool with federal tax rates being north of 25%.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 08:33:19 PM
Cruz wants 10% tax and a VAT.
Sounds like Europe to me.

Kasich has driven down taxes every year in OH while increasing the state surplus. Some socialist.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 08:34:07 PM
You wouldn't like a 10% flat tax?
Why not a 2% flat tax?  ::)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 08:36:54 PM
Did nominating for supposed electability ever work to win the general?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 08:47:22 PM
Cruz wants 10% tax and a VAT.
Sounds like Europe to me.

Kasich has driven down taxes every year in OH while increasing the state surplus. Some socialist.

I said "before" they went full socialist. I'm not saying he's a socialist - just ok with 25-35% tax rates.

Europe isn't terrible tax wise because they have a VAT. There's nothing inherently wrong with a VAT.  It's that they have it on top of corporate taxes, payroll taxes, and high personal income taxes. Cruz wants to get rid of corporate and payroll taxes.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 08:50:55 PM
Why not a 2% flat tax?  ::)

I'd rather have just a sales tax, and no income tax. But if we have income taxes, I'd say 5-10% is fair. It's enough to pay for the military and a few other necessities. Our main point of contention is probably what we each believe the government should take care of. The tax revenue needs to cover whatever that is.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 08:57:35 PM
I'd rather have just a sales tax, and no income tax. But if we have income taxes, I'd say 5-10% is fair. It's enough to pay for the military and a few other necessities. Our main point of contention is probably what we each believe the government should take care of. The tax revenue needs to cover whatever that is.
A country that doesn't take care of the poor is more than just a moral problem. You don't want to live in a country that 30% of the people are hungry and have no housing, think of the crime riots etc. (besides it's immoral. and I don't care if the founding fathers didn't plan on the federal gov having social programs, we weren't as rich then, and frankly thay may have been wrong)
A 10% flat tax is a joke!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 09:02:06 PM
Just because the Federal government doesn't take care of the poor, doesn't mean we don't. Isn't maaser just 10%? You don't need a 40% tax at any level to feed the poor. 40% of all food in the US goes to waste. And I don't see riots from all the dirt-poor people in Williamsburg, Crown heights, Lakewood, Bnei Brak etc.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 04, 2016, 09:05:41 PM
Just because the Federal government doesn't take care of the poor, doesn't mean we don't. Isn't maaser just 10%? You don't need a 40% tax at any level to feed the poor. 40% of all food in the US goes to waste.
I'm not interested in getting into a prolonged argument here. I'm just explaining why I think Cruz's 10% tax rate is a joke. Un er nebach maint es erentz.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Tzafnas Paneach on April 04, 2016, 09:06:37 PM


40% of all food in the US goes to waste.

Iyan episode of "Last Week Tonight" for more information. I assume that's where you saw the stat?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 09:09:58 PM

Iyan episode of "Last Week Tonight" for more information. I assume that's where you saw the stat?

No
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 09:15:12 PM
I'm not interested in getting into a prolonged argument here. I'm just explaining why I think Cruz's 10% tax rate is a joke. Un er nebach maint es erentz.

Is maaser a joke too?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 04, 2016, 09:15:28 PM
Cruz wants 10% tax and a VAT.
Where's the VAT? https://www.tedcruz.org/tax_plan/

A VAT might be good (and is very likely to happen sooner or later). I would love to see a proposal that introduces a VAT with a constitutional amendment abolishing all income taxes.

As a compromise (or interim step) I think John Mauldin's outline for a tax plan makes lots of sense. http://www.mauldineconomics.com/frontlinethoughts/open-letter-to-the-next-president-part-4
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 09:40:06 PM

Disagree with about everything you said here.  The Republicans have been saying forever that a moderate candidate is what they need to beat the Democrats but that has worked in like forever....the polls having kasich beating hillary are meaningless until he is a serious candidate

Do you mean "hasn't?"

I'd say the opposite. If Kasich, even as a relative unknown, is polling consistently better than Hillary, that's pretty significant. He doesn't energize the base, but he also doesn't energize the opposition and can win key swing states (in addition to the red states that he'll still win even if he doesn't energize the base).

Here's  (http://electiongraphs.com/2016ec/)a neat tool that simulates expected electoral outcome ranges by matchup. I have no idea how good the results are, but it is fun to play around with some of the possible matchups. Here's some of the results they have:

Clinton vs. Trump - 338 to 200 (OH, PA, FL, VA go to Clinton. OH, PA, and VA by a healthy margin)
Clinton vs. Cruz - 317 to 221 (OH, PA, FL, VA go to Clinton)
Clinton vs. Kasich - 288 to 250 (PA, FL go to Clinton; OH, VA go to Kasich)
Clinton vs. Romney - 310 to 228 (pretty much the same as the last election)
Clinton vs. Rubio - 259 to 279 (Clinton gets VA and FL by a hair, but Rubio gets OH, PA, NH, MI, CO, NC)

Rubio's the only one that beats Clinton acc to the site's model. But if Kasich can turn FL, he'd win. Rubio or Kasich IMO would be a great VP choice.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 04, 2016, 09:40:34 PM
The reason why people don't vote for kasich in the primaries is simple. Because he is a standard politician. NOTHING is going to change for the better once he hits the oval office. Just like Bush and Obama didn't change anything. The last good president was Ronald Reagan all others are just there to fill the chair. People want someone DIFFERENT like Trump or Cruz. No matter what they are, people like me are fed up from seeing people hit the oval office just to fill the position. That is why the R don't go for Kasich.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 09:42:46 PM
R can go for whatever they want, but there's zero chance that Cruz or Trump get to the White House, so clearly not everyone wants something DIFFERENT.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 09:49:22 PM
The reason why people don't vote for kasich in the primaries is simple. Because he is a standard politician. NOTHING is going to change for the better once he hits the oval office. Just like Bush and Obama didn't change anything. The last good president was Ronald Reagan all others are just there to fill the chair. People want someone DIFFERENT like Trump or Cruz. No matter what they are, people like me are fed up from seeing people hit the oval office just to fill the position. That is why the R don't go for Kasich.


Or Bernie. But seriously, Obama did do some stuff, but was mercifully stopped by the republican house from going further.

Here's an an article that I think shows the two mindsets beautifully https://www.creators.com/read/erick-erickson/02/16/cruz-vs-rubio

It's about Cruz vs Rubio, but it applies kal vachomer to Cruz vs Kasich.

I'll quote the relevant part:

"If voters feel like the 2016 election is the last election to save the American experiment, Ted Cruz really is their only option. If voters feel like things are coming to an end in this country without drastic action, they really do not have a choice between Rubio and Cruz. They have only Cruz. Cruz is the disruptive candidate. A voter who feels like the end is near without drastic action has to take the gamble on Cruz, who still has a good chance to win.


Rubio, on the other hand, is the candidate for voters who think the best days are still ahead of us regardless of what happens in 2016. Democrats may fear Rubio as a candidate, but the base of the Democratic Party does not fear him like Ted Cruz. They think they could wait out Marco Rubio, even after eight years in power, and see few of their advances surrendered.

Washington's lobbyists think that Marco Rubio will not be a disruptive force to them. They know Washington will still be mostly the center of people's lives to a greater degree with Marco Rubio than with Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz will burn Washington to the ground and throw lobbyists on the street. Marco Rubio will strategically raze parts of Washington, putting fewer lobbyists in danger than Cruz. At least that is the thinking, and it is the thinking that is reflected in the attacks on both men."
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 09:52:19 PM
R can go for whatever they want, but there's zero chance that Cruz or Trump get to the White House, so clearly not everyone wants something DIFFERENT.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

It seems like Cruz vs Clinton is probably about 50/50

on Trump I agree.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 04, 2016, 09:54:15 PM
But IMO the R have about 5% chance of winning this election with whichever candidate they nominate.

Anyone besides Trump or Cruz is suicide because millions of R are going to stay sitting home feeling that the elites stole the nominee.

Trump as of now he is very unfavorable.

Cruz, again most Trump supporters will stay home feeling that the Cruz stole he nominee + Cruz is far to Frum....

The only future for the GOP now is for the entire party to united behind him including Romney and Cruz and give answers why they said he was not good, but I mean really convince their supporters that he is going to be great and explain what disaster Hillary is going to be, them MAYBE they got a chance.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on April 04, 2016, 09:57:56 PM
R can go for whatever they want, but there's zero chance that Cruz or Trump get to the White House, so clearly not everyone wants something DIFFERENT.
Zero chance Kasich wins.
If he is the nominee he is just another in the line McCain Dole Romney.
He is a great story  :P but that won't cut it for the general election.
Most of the people who support him at this point are either from Ohio or Dems who will not vote for him anyways.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 04, 2016, 09:58:38 PM
R can go for whatever they want, but there's zero chance that Cruz or Trump get to the White House, so clearly not everyone wants something DIFFERENT.

on Trump I agree.
IMO Trump is settling him self. He is getting better. Slowly....

But I think he does have a chance should the establishment start pushing for him... But they have to do it now. A brokered convention is suicide. But I guess the elites would rather see Hillary in than Trump?
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 10:00:55 PM
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_cruz_vs_clinton-4034.html

It seems like Cruz vs Clinton is probably about 50/50

on Trump I agree.

Then why did you post a page showing him consistently (and trending more so) down in the polls. Yes, there's a significant margin of error and opinions can change significantly, but he's hardly the party savior.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 10:06:08 PM
IMO Trump is settling him self. He is getting better. Slowly....

Opposite. And him "settling" means him acting like a politician, which draws a lot of the appeal out of him (like how he spoke at AIPAC for example).

And even if the entire GOP were to unite behind him, he already sold away his votes from women, minorities, liberals, and educated. His chances of winning are close to 0, and Vegas recognizes this. Cruz has some change, albeit a small one. Kasich has the most real chance, but has a small chance of being the nominee.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 10:09:36 PM
Things fluctuate, and I said it's about 50/50 - not that he's a sure winner.

My point is, if he wins, he'll be the best by far. John Kasich is pretty much Bill Clinton - with no charm.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 10:26:57 PM
Things fluctuate, and I said it's about 50/50 - not that he's a sure winner.

My point is, if he wins, he'll be the best by far. John Kasich is pretty much Bill Clinton - with no charm.

Well he's been pretty consistent in the polls. He could go up, but he's incredibly easy to attack w his positions on social issues that will alienate moderates and women. Not as much as trump would, but I think 50/50 is being VERY generous to Cruz.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 10:46:33 PM


Cruz, again most Trump supporters will stay home feeling that the Cruz stole he nominee + Cruz is far to Frum....
That is what Trump would like you to believe but not likely to be true. As long as it is within the rules and Trump doesn't get a majority Cruz can win with strategy.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 04, 2016, 10:53:01 PM
Do you mean "hasn't?"

I'd say the opposite. If Kasich, even as a relative unknown, is polling consistently better than Hillary, that's pretty significant. He doesn't energize the base, but he also doesn't energize the opposition and can win key swing states (in addition to the red states that he'll still win even if he doesn't energize the base).

Here's  (http://electiongraphs.com/2016ec/)a neat tool that simulates expected electoral outcome ranges by matchup. I have no idea how good the results are, but it is fun to play around with some of the possible matchups. Here's some of the results they have:

Clinton vs. Trump - 338 to 200 (OH, PA, FL, VA go to Clinton. OH, PA, and VA by a healthy margin)
Clinton vs. Cruz - 317 to 221 (OH, PA, FL, VA go to Clinton)
Clinton vs. Kasich - 288 to 250 (PA, FL go to Clinton; OH, VA go to Kasich)
Clinton vs. Romney - 310 to 228 (pretty much the same as the last election)
Clinton vs. Rubio - 259 to 279 (Clinton gets VA and FL by a hair, but Rubio gets OH, PA, NH, MI, CO, NC)

Rubio's the only one that beats Clinton acc to the site's model. But if Kasich can turn FL, he'd win. Rubio or Kasich IMO would be a great VP choice.
Yes I meant hasn't sorry. ...
Bc kasich hadn't been in the limelight theres very little negative attention especially as opposed to the other candidates so he polls well I'd the focus was on him he very likely will go down
R can go for whatever they want, but there's zero chance that Cruz or Trump get to the White House, so clearly not everyone wants something DIFFERENT.
Why do you think Cruz has no chance
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 10:58:54 PM
Yes I meant hasn't sorry. ...
Bc kasich hadn't been in the limelight theres very little negative attention especially as opposed to the other candidates so he polls well I'd the focus was on him he very likely will go down

Why do you think Cruz has no chance

1. The same can be said about Cruz and Trump, as they haven't had the limelight of a general election candidate yet. The negative things about them would impact them significantly more in a general election than a republican primary. Trump and Cruz both alienate moderates and minorities. Kasich may not have had to endure much scrutiny, but unless some huge scandal comes out, his positions and accomplishments are not likely to alienate a significant block of the voters.

2. The electoral math doesn't work in favor of the republicans. To win the general, republicans have to almost sweep the swing states. If the republicans lose one major swing state, like Florida or Ohio, there is almost no electoral path for their victory. They literally would need to sweep the rest. Do you think Cruz can sweep the big battleground states?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 04, 2016, 11:01:15 PM
Well he's been pretty consistent in the polls. He could go up, but he's incredibly easy to attack w his positions on social issues that will alienate moderates and women. Not as much as trump would, but I think 50/50 is being VERY generous to Cruz.

Where do you see that? For the last 3 months he's been ahead of her. Until the last couple weeks. Fluctuates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 04, 2016, 11:02:37 PM
1. The same can be said about Cruz and Trump, as they haven't had the limelight of a general election candidate yet. The negative things about them would impact them significantly more in a general election than a republican primary. Trump and Cruz both alienate moderates and minorities. Kasich may not have had to endure much scrutiny, but unless some huge scandal comes out, his positions and accomplishments are not likely to alienate a significant block of the voters.

2. The electoral math doesn't work in favor of the republicans. To win the general, republicans have to almost sweep the swing states. If the republicans lose one major swing state, like Florida or Ohio, there is almost no electoral path for their victory. They literally would need to sweep the rest. Do you think Cruz can sweep the big battleground states?
Depends on a lot of factors like who his VP is.... hillary had a lot of issues and I think anyone north of trump has a shot of they run a good campaign and if cruz had shown anything in the primary it is that he knows how to run a organized strategic campaign
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 04, 2016, 11:04:46 PM
Depends on a lot of factors like who his VP is.... hillary had a lot of issues and I think anyone north of trump has a shot of they run a good campaign and if cruz had shown anything in the primary it is that he knows how to run a organized strategic campaign

He also knows how to spell "America," unlike another former candidate  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 11:29:31 PM


Trump and Cruz both alienate moderates and minorities. Kasich may not have had to endure much scrutiny, but unless some huge scandal comes out, his positions and accomplishments are not likely to alienate a significant block of the voters.
Kasich certainly won't alienate anyone-he has no supporters to alienate.

This whole idea not to take a position in order to not alienate this that out the other group is a bunch of bunk. It is only when they equivocate that they let a position be defined as anti whatever. A candidate who stands up for what they believe in will not alienate them.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 11:41:46 PM
Blah blah blah.
Just because you aren't an unelectable extremist doesn't mean you don't have positions.

He didn't win 2 OH elections without appealing to both sides. And he's done that while lowering taxes and shrinking government.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2016, 11:50:15 PM
Blah blah blah.
Just because you aren't an unelectable extremist doesn't mean you don't have positions.

He didn't win 2 OH elections without appealing to both sides. And he's done that while lowering taxes and shrinking government.
I can believe that he can be a good President. I don't believe that he can run a campaign which will get them there. He has yet to even get himself heard. In 75% off states he got less than 10% in most less than 5%. How can such an inept campaigner win the white house?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
He can't win the GOP nomination because he's not extreme like the other guys and that's what the base wants right now. Doesn't matter what kind of campaign he would run.
But there's a reason he's the only one that dominates Clinton in the national polls when the other guys don't. The R base is too small and it's only shrinking.

With Trump or Cruz you're going to see a landslide D victory (assuming that Hillary doesn't get indicted before November). Take it to the bank.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 12:11:35 AM
He can't win the GOP nomination because he's not extreme like the other guys and that's what the base wants right now. Doesn't matter what kind of campaign he would run.
3% in NV isn't only extremists
5% in GA isn't only extremists
6% in FLisn't only extremists
6% in LA isn't only extremists
3% in AR isn't only extremists
5% in MN isn't only extremists

Some of these aren't even major conservative states with a bunch having gone to Romney.

The polls have always shown Sanders beating all of them. What does that tell you?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 12:20:02 AM
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The polls have always shown Sanders beating all of them. What does that tell you?
A. That Clinton is not well liked, especially in the I category.
B. That the Rs have a massive demographic problem and it will probably be a long time before we see another R in office. Especially with candidates that don't appeal to Is.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 12:25:04 AM
A. That Clinton is not well liked, especially in the I category.
B. That the Rs have a massive demographic problem and it will probably be a long time before we see another R in office. Especially with candidates that don't appeal to Is.
They have a demographic problem inasmuch as they let themselves be defined by the Ds like Romney and the other moderates all do. By cowering into a corner when a D accuses of the ism of the day they end up admitting that their positions are "biased" even when they are not.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 12:34:23 AM
Except that Romney didn't lose in a landslide.

Watch what a Trump or Cruz election will bring. The results will look like the USAToday weather map in January.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 05, 2016, 12:35:03 AM
Except that Romney didn't lose in a landslide.

Watch what a Trump or Cruz election will bring. The results will look like the USAToday weather map in January.
This January was pretty nice. Unexpected things happen.
Romney is a bad example. Obama's unpopularity then was worse than Clinton and Sanders right now. Anybody was supposed to be able to beat him. It should've been a shoo in.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 12:39:18 AM
Are we talking about the same January tbat delayed my Hawaiian vacation by 5 days?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 05, 2016, 12:42:34 AM
Are we talking about the same January tbat delayed my Hawaiian vacation by 5 days?
Yup. (https://weather.com/news/climate/news/record-warmest-january-global-2016)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 05, 2016, 12:55:39 AM
For the life of mine I can't understand how people would vote for Hillary, forget about her emails, but someone who lied about the Benghazi attack is not eligible for this position. It just shows how she takes politics before anything. This is the last thing I wait to see from a president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 01:03:36 AM
As opposed to Trump who has compulsively lied about everything, flip flopped on every position he has, tells crowds whatever he thinks they want to hear, runs businesses into bankruptcy, and is more vindictive and childlike than anyone?

I'd stay home in November personally if that were the matchup.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 01:06:28 AM
For the life of mine I can't understand how people would vote for Hillary, forget about her emails, but someone who lied about the Benghazi attack is not eligible for this position. It just shows how she takes politics before anything. This is the last thing I wait to see from a president.

And someone who filibusters for 21 hours doesn't take politics before anything? Both Clinton and Cruz are career politicians that have a history of lying to the American people. And Trump has a history of cheating people once it's too late to back down. I don't want any of them as my president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 01:09:38 AM
This January was pretty nice. Unexpected things happen.
Romney is a bad example. Obama's unpopularity then was worse than Clinton and Sanders right now. Anybody was supposed to be able to beat him. It should've been a shoo in.

Obama wasn't wildly unpopular in 2012. To the contrary, IMO he was significantly more popular then than Clinton is now. Romney wasn't a great candidate. However, one thing that killed him was he went all-in on how Obama was killing the economy and made promises that didn't come true. The economy did pretty well in the months leading up to the election.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 05, 2016, 01:10:24 AM
As opposed to Trump who has lied about everything, flip flopped on every position he has, tells crowds whatever he thinks they want to hear, and is more vindictive and childlike than anyone?

I'd stay home in November personally if that were the matchup.
I was never sure when public perception of Trump would change from the only guy not embarrassed or scared to say the truth; to the most unabashed and outrageous liar on the stage.
He's a different league liar, though. To him, the truth is simply irrelevant. He's not trying to hide from it; he couldn't care less about it. He's just as comfortable telling you 2+2=3 as he is telling you 2+2=4. I don't think people think of him as a sneaky liar. They see the truth as another politically correct nonsense people try sticking to others. He's the only one that doesn't bother getting dragged down by it. He really says what he believes, reality or fantasy.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 01:18:10 AM
He's a lunatic and a compulsive liar, simple as that.
And he'll probably come after me for saying that once he's elected ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mgarfin on April 05, 2016, 09:07:52 AM
For the life of mine I can't understand how people would vote for Hillary, forget about her emails, but someone who lied about the Benghazi attack is not eligible for this position. It just shows how she takes politics before anything. This is the last thing I wait to see from a president.

For the life of mine I can't understand how people would vote for Trump, for a time I was denying that there real ppl are voting for him.

Now I'm only sad, as this campaign brings out how easy it's to persuade people against others, as a Jew that scares me.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 05, 2016, 09:17:02 AM
And someone who filibusters for 21 hours doesn't take politics before anything? Both Clinton and Cruz are career politicians that have a history of lying to the American people. And Trump has a history of cheating people once it's too late to back down. I don't want any of them as my president.
+1

The USA is on a downward slope.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 09:52:46 AM
And someone who filibusters for 21 hours doesn't take politics before anything?
What does one have to do with the other? When Rand Paul filibustered the NSA bill he brought attention to the level of surveillance . Of course there is politics in a political body like the senate. Putting politics before anything means someone who compromises their principals for politics or has none in the first place. How does a filibuster show that?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 09:54:42 AM
What does one have to do with the other? When Rand Paul filibustered the NSA bill he brought attention to the level of surveillance . Of course there is politics in a political body like the senate. Putting politics before anything means someone who compromises their principals for politics or has none in the first place. How does a filibuster show that?

Or takes advantage of the political system to achieve his "principles". Both are bad.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 09:56:44 AM
Or takes advantage of the political system to achieve his "principles". Both are bad.
Why? Wouldn't you be electing someone for their principals?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 10:03:55 AM
Why? Wouldn't you be electing someone for their principals?

I'd rather vote for someone whos principles include acting with integrity, including as someone in the political system. I think Cruz is better than Trump, but don't kid yourself into thinking he isn't a sleazy politician. Example: what he did to Carson in Iowa. While we might never know if he knew about the pamphlets before they were sent out, he is responsible for his campaign.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 10:06:43 AM
I'd rather vote for someone whos principles include acting with integrity, including as someone in the political system. I think Cruz is better than Trump, but don't kid yourself into thinking he isn't a sleazy politician. Example: what he did to Carson in Iowa. While we might never know if he knew about the pamphlets before they were sent out, he is responsible for his campaign.
Of course he is a politician. That is the only way to get things done. Trump is a sleazier poilitian than any of them. Carson may not have been a politician but look what happened to him. It was as if he didn't exist.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 10:09:55 AM
Of course he is a politician. That is the only way to get things done. Trump is a sleazier poilitian than any of them. Carson may not have been a politician but look what happened to him. It was as if he didn't exist.

I don't disagree with what you say about Trump. Even when he wasn't in politics, he made a career out of telling people what they want to hear only to stab them in the back later.

Question for you: If the Cruz cheating story doesn't stop by August, do you still think he should be the nominee? True or not, it can present a tremendous liability for him and the GOP.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 10:11:58 AM
I don't disagree with what you say about Trump. Even when he wasn't in politics, he made a career out of telling people what they want to hear only to stab them in the back later.

Question for you: If the Cruz cheating story doesn't stop by August, do you still think he should be the nominee? True or not, it can present a tremendous liability for him and the GOP.
It stopped already.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 10:14:18 AM
It stopped already.

That's definitely not true.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on April 05, 2016, 10:27:14 AM
I don't disagree with what you say about Trump. Even when he wasn't in politics, he made a career out of telling people what they want to hear only to stab them in the back later.

Question for you: If the Cruz cheating story doesn't stop by August, do you still think he should be the nominee? True or not, it can present a tremendous liability for him and the GOP.
I love the double standard that when Trump takes advantage of the system it's because he's a "winner" but when Cruz does it he's a cheater.

Personally, I really admire how shrewd Cruz is and couldn't care less how he gets his votes. It doesn't scare you Trump supporters how incompetent he seems to be handling the behind the scenes side of the campaign despite always hiring "the best people"?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 10:29:39 AM
I love the double standard that when Trump takes advantage of the system it's because he's a "winner" but when Cruz does it he's a cheater.

Personally, I really admire how shrewd Cruz is and couldn't care less how he gets his votes. It doesn't scare you Trump supporters how incompetent he seems to be handling the behind the scenes side of the campaign despite always hiring "the best people"?

Eh, I think many of the "incompetence behind the scenes" is done deliberately. He's a master at manipulating the media and has always been. I do think his comments this past week will hurt him significantly, though.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 05, 2016, 11:14:47 AM
I'd rather vote for someone whos principles include acting with integrity, including as someone in the political system. I think Cruz is better than Trump, but don't kid yourself into thinking he isn't a sleazy politician. Example: what he did to Carson in Iowa. While we might never know if he knew about the pamphlets before they were sent out, he is responsible for his campaign.

Being a politician without "principles" and working "in the political system" is what got us into this mess in the first place.

@Dan, while Kasich did cut some taxes, he also raised others for you guys. Granted, it was a net cut. However, he also expanded medicaid as part of obamacare - that's a long-term issue that you guys will have to deal with. It's costing OH much more than Kasich projected (as do all gov programs), and is getting more and more expensive. That's growing government. If you net the tax cut with the medicaid expansion, is that a net gain for OH, or net loss? And he thinks those opposed to that are going to hell. If Rs won't vote for Kasich, but Ds will, doesn't that say something?


How do all the Kasich guys propose to pay off the skyrocketing debt? We're currently adding .5 trillion+ per year on top of the 19 already accumulated. And that will get worse as more boomers retire. At some point we turn into Greece, and everything will collapse. When do you you think that is, and how do we prevent that?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 11:18:26 AM
Push come to shove, do you want Clinton or Kasich in the WH?
Kasich eliminated taxes on small businesses, drove down income brackets, etc. He's been vetted twice and won in landslides in a swing state. Maybe it takes a compassionate conservative to win the WH back?

Cruz and Trump and seriously flawed candidates. They have no electoral path to the WH even against someone as flawed as Clinton.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 05, 2016, 11:26:07 AM
My problem with Kasich is he won't do anything to repeal ObamaCare or the Iran deal. Something the other R's said they would do.

Although yesterday is said some very pro-Israel things, so that's good.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 11:31:01 AM
Something the other R's said they would do.
Talk is cheap. Neither will happen.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 05, 2016, 11:31:57 AM
Push come to shove, do you want Clinton or Kasich in the WH?
Kasich eliminated taxes on small businesses, drove down income brackets, etc. He's been vetted twice and won in landslides in a swing state. Maybe it takes a compassionate conservative to win the WH back?

Cruz and Trump and seriously flawed candidates. They have no electoral path to the WH even against someone as flawed as Clinton.

Honestly, I don't think there would be much of a difference between Kasich and Hillary. Hillary may be a bit worse just because her base is pushing her, but they would both pretty much leave things as is. Kasich may get taxes back down to 35%, but that's too little too late. See my edit in last post, and the article I quoted a page or two back. I'd likely stay home if it was Kasich or Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 05, 2016, 11:33:33 AM
Talk is cheap. Neither will happen.

Republicans actually got a repeal bill on Os desk using reconciliation. Obviously it is possible.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 05, 2016, 11:40:13 AM
My problem with Kasich is he won't do anything to repeal ObamaCare or the Iran deal. Something the other R's said they would do.

Although yesterday is said some very pro-Israel things, so that's good.

Bingo.

Hillary says pro-Israel things too. As Dan said, talk is cheap.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 11:42:37 AM
Honestly, I don't think there would be much of a difference between Kasich and Hillary
Lol, then we have nothing further to discuss on this topic.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 05, 2016, 11:46:18 AM
Lol, then we have nothing further to discuss on this topic.

That's a cop out. Which policy would they be drastically different on?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 11:53:50 AM
Lol, then we have nothing further to discuss on this topic.
More people feel that way than you think. That is why a moderate R can never win.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: mb1 on April 05, 2016, 12:03:09 PM
Push come to shove, do you want Clinton or Kasich in the WH?
Kasich eliminated taxes on small businesses, drove down income brackets, etc. He's been vetted twice and won in landslides in a swing state. Maybe it takes a compassionate conservative to win the WH back?

Cruz and Trump and seriously flawed candidates. They have no electoral path to the WH even against someone as flawed as Clinton.
What about Romney and McCain? Not exactly ultra conservatives.
Cruz and Trump can also beat Hillary because they can wage a great campaign and just try to be politically correct.
The polling at this point is flawed because if Kasich is not a target.  But when moderates are attacked they hardly fight back.
The McCain and Romney campaigns were pathetic and there is no reason to believe that Kasich will be any different.
Had Romney gone after Obama like he attacked Trump he would be in the white house now.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 12:10:30 PM
That's a cop out. Which policy would they be drastically different on?
Already stated above that small business tax was eliminated and income tax heavily reduced all while state finances have improved and unemployment has gone way down.

If you think that's what Clinton would've done as governor here then you are insane.

What about Romney and McCain? Not exactly ultra conservatives.
Cruz and Trump can also beat Hillary because they can wage a great campaign and just try to be politically correct.
The polling at this point is flawed because if Kasich is not a target.  But when moderates are attacked they hardly fight back.
The McCain and Romney campaigns were pathetic and there is no reason to believe that Kasich will be any different.
Had Romney gone after Obama like he attacked Trump he would be in the white house now.
Or we'll see a landslide the likes of which we haven't seen in decades.
Neither Cruz or Trump can take down Clinton in OH, good luck sweeping the rest of the swing states. Extremism might work for bright red and blue states, but it doesn't win swing voters.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 12:13:23 PM
More people feel that way than you think. That is why a moderate R can never win.
Then you've sentenced yourself to a generation of Ds in the WH.
I blame some of the radio hosts.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 12:18:01 PM
Then you've sentenced yourself to a generation of Ds in the WH.
I blame some of the radio hosts.
Neh. I just think you are very wrong about the ability of a real conservative to win. I think that any conservative who can come with a positive message and not cower from the stupid racism accusations should win. The moderates do themselves in by trying to play on the liberals terms. If the discussion is about who can give better entitlements the liberals will win any day.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 12:18:46 PM
And you think that Cruz or Trump can do that?
Care to wager?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 05, 2016, 12:21:14 PM
And you think that Cruz or Trump can do that?
Care to wager?
I think Cruz can (not necessarily will) but not Trump. Definitely not Kasich. Rubio may have been able to at one point until he "consultanted" himself up. Walker probably can.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 12:26:37 PM
And you think that Cruz or Trump can do that?
Care to wager?

I have $500 at stake in this election, taking advantage of Trump supporters' senseless optimism. Did the same last year with the Mets (before the playoffs) to take advantage of Mets fans' senseless pessimism.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 05, 2016, 01:04:55 PM


Honestly, I don't think there would be much of a difference between Kasich and Hillary.

That's taking it too far

Maybe it takes a compassionate conservative to win the WH back?

"Compassionate conservative "...
You have really bought the media storyline (or maybe it's the anti-typical- frum- guy -pro -talk- radio bias you indicate in other posts)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 05, 2016, 01:09:53 PM
Already stated above that small business tax was eliminated and income tax heavily reduced all while state finances have improved and unemployment has gone way down.

Though they may have been reduced by a large percentage, what percent were they to begin with? State taxes are a fraction of federal taxes. And OH unemployment mirrored the national numbers, so while the economy may have improved, it's not like Kasich was the main cause. see here http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/aug/06/john-kasich/kasich-i-took-state-ohio-8-billion-hole-2-billion-/

I think Hillary of 20 years ago might have done the same. Again, I think the country is going to hell in a handbasket rather quickly. Kasich wouldn't change much, and more or less keep it on the trajectory - perhaps delay the collapse by 10-20 years, and Hillary would more or less keep as is, or perhaps speed it up a bit. But in either case we're screwed unless we take drastic measures quickly. That's why I back Cruz. Even if he's less likely to win, he's our only shot at saving us from being Greece. Big picture, it doesn't matter that much if we turn into Greece in 10 or 30 years.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 05, 2016, 02:22:02 PM
For all the cruz supporters
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on April 05, 2016, 02:23:04 PM
Talk is cheap. Neither will happen.
didnt you hear what they said?  On day one
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 05, 2016, 04:16:27 PM
And you think that Cruz or Trump can do that?
Care to wager?

Vegas is giving odds. Why do you need to wager against people here?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 04:18:54 PM
Vegas is giving odds. Why do you need to wager against people here?
I don't need to wager, I like seeing people put their money where their mouth is.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 05, 2016, 04:55:49 PM
I think Kasich is a late bloomer in the race and someone who doesn't have any sizzle at all. Not disagreeing that he might be a great candidate in the right circumstances, but he is as bland and overshadowed as a cow mooing next to the train horn blasting as it approaches an inevitable collision. Getting behind him is a waste of time. Compare him to Guiliani or Bloomberg who both have a great following in NYC but that means nothing nationally.

As my great demotivator poster says, "Sometimes hanging in there just makes you look like a bigger loser".

If you think that means Hillary wins automatically, you might be right. But you might be wrong - Trump is definitely maturing as a candidate, and he probably does have some actionable ideas to back his promises. The opposition is totally blindsided and has been wasting their time making stupid anti-Trump statements, like calling him a dictator or saying he will create a war with Mexico, and generally stating disbelief that he can make good on any of his promises. They are shown to be fools when he proves that he actually has a plan (as in the wall), and suddenly they have to figure out why his idea is a bad idea instead of that he has none. If they had instead taken him seriously and actually expended some energy on criticizing and smearing his name for real things then he might have been out of the race long ago.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 04:57:28 PM
Great thing about Trump is if you don't like what he said, just wait until he's talking to another crowd.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chinagel on April 05, 2016, 05:05:40 PM
Great thing about Trump is if you don't like what he said, just wait until he's talking to another crowd.
which politician isnt like that
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 05, 2016, 05:17:53 PM
Great thing about Trump is if you don't like what he said, just wait until he's talking to another crowd.

You don't have to convince me not to like Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on April 05, 2016, 05:29:09 PM
I have $500 at stake in this election, taking advantage of Trump supporters' senseless optimism. Did the same last year with the Mets (before the playoffs) to take advantage of Mets fans' senseless pessimism.   ;D ;D ;D
Who do you have it on? Hillary or Cruz?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 05:29:37 PM
Who do you have it on? Hillary or Cruz?

Clinton wins in a Clinton vs trump matchup
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: dovy2 on April 05, 2016, 05:33:13 PM
Clinton wins in a Clinton vs trump matchup
I just hope you don't pray for her to win
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 05:33:46 PM
I just hope you don't pray for her to win

If she's going against trump, I don't know what i'll pray for (other than mashiach)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 05, 2016, 05:53:46 PM
If she's going against trump, I don't know what i'll pray for (other than mashiach)
I hate Clinton as much as anyone else. But definitely her if against Trump. - a loose cannon maniac.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 05, 2016, 05:54:35 PM
I hate Clinton as much as anyone else. But definitely her if against Trump. - a loose cannon maniac.

I'm the opposite. I'd vote for Trump if I had to. Clinton must never be allowed to be president.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 05:57:12 PM
I'd stay home.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 05, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
I'd stay home.

At least do a write in so they dont peg you as someone who doesnt vote.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 06:34:55 PM
Who is they?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 06:51:19 PM
Who is they?

The department of jury duty notices
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 06:52:10 PM
And the issue with that is?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 05, 2016, 06:55:13 PM
and I dont vote because I dont want jury duty. - is this not how it works?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 05, 2016, 07:08:47 PM
The department of jury duty notices

Lol, no. They is the political commitees who track which groups turn out to vote. It gives politicians a way to gauge how much to pander to said group.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 07:27:21 PM
And the issue with that is?

No issue

I got my first jury duty notice well before I was able to vote, at the ripe age of 15  ;D ;D ;D.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 05, 2016, 07:29:25 PM
Been voting since I turned 18 and yet to get a notice. Go figure.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 07:30:31 PM
Been voting since I turned 18 and yet to get a notice. Go figure.

You must have a longer beard than me
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 05, 2016, 07:48:51 PM
For all the cruz supporters

Yay....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on April 05, 2016, 08:45:54 PM
I got my first jury duty notice well before I was able to vote, at the ripe age of 15  ;D ;D ;D.
Become a lawyer. Then when you get called in for jury duty, you'll get tossed out during Voir Dire.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 05, 2016, 08:48:18 PM
Become a lawyer. Then when you get called in for jury duty, you'll get tossed out during Voir Dire.

One of my rebbeim used to always tell them his profession was "professor of talmudic law." Never made it past that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on April 05, 2016, 08:49:28 PM
One of my rebbeim used to always tell them his profession was "professor of talmudic law." Never made it past that.
Buddy of mine showed up wearing a t-shirt with his firm's name. Didn't even have to open his mouth.  ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on April 05, 2016, 09:43:08 PM
This night it's Cruz!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 05, 2016, 10:13:56 PM
Crazy, people were thinking that the polls might be off and Trump will end up winning but that they will be off and Cruz will win with 20 points, who thought that? wow!

Even the big Nate Silver projected a 8 point win.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 05, 2016, 10:26:17 PM
Crazy, people were thinking that the polls might be off and Trump will end up winning but that they will be off and Cruz will win with 20 points, who thought that? wow!

Even the big Nate Silver projected a 8 point win.
You're done with Trump?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 05, 2016, 10:27:58 PM
You're done with Trump?
Why do you think so?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 05, 2016, 10:29:07 PM
Why do you think so?
Your posts from the past day. I couldn't tell.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 05, 2016, 10:45:24 PM
Crazy, people were thinking that the polls might be off and Trump will end up winning but that they will be off and Cruz will win with 20 points, who thought that? wow!

Even the big Nate Silver projected a 8 point win.
They're still projecting it to be 14 percent not 20
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 06, 2016, 12:05:37 AM
Become a lawyer. Then when you get called in for jury duty, you'll get tossed out during Voir Dire.
It really isn't that hard (just make some serious biased/prejudiced opinions and you'll be kicked out in no time. The problem sometimes is that you might spend more than a day waiting to be called and asked questions.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on April 06, 2016, 01:10:35 AM
just make some serious biased/prejudiced opinions and you'll be kicked out in no time.
In other words, commit perjury. Good plan.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 06, 2016, 01:14:56 AM
Final numbers from tonight in yet?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 06, 2016, 01:15:40 AM
Am I the only one who would enjoy sitting on a jury?  It's a shame I'll almost certainly never have the chance.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on April 06, 2016, 01:18:04 AM
Am I the only one who would enjoy sitting on a jury?  It's a shame I'll almost certainly never have the chance.
I've always felt like that too. Though watching The People v. OJ Simpson has changed my mind a bit. Getting stuck on a case that lasts super long would suck.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 06, 2016, 01:20:25 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14538.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14538.0)
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52423.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=52423.0)
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14379.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=14379.0)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 06, 2016, 01:21:14 AM
Am I the only one who would enjoy sitting on a jury?  It's a shame I'll almost certainly never have the chance.
you can gladly take my place!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 06, 2016, 06:52:28 AM
Been voting since I turned 18 and yet to get a notice. Go figure.

Ein meviim raayah miDan
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 06, 2016, 10:30:39 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/ted-cruz-not-paul-ryan-would-probably-win-a-contested-convention/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 07, 2016, 11:41:30 PM
Why was Cruz busy with a small group of supporters in the Bronx and a Chabad mock matzo bakery?

By strategizing correctly he can get more delegates than by winning.

Cruz Gets a Bronx Cheer (https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=9&ved=0ahUKEwj8zIediv7LAhXEzRQKHXZ3CR8QqQIIPzAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wsj.com%2Farticles%2Fcruz-gets-a-bronx-cheer-1460050100&usg=AFQjCNFCBZcEiyoBm8vPwMJvEQN0k3hpEw&sig2=NE4S46uJsUiCJcai2Zd4bA&cad=rjt)
Quote
The Real Clear Politics (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ny/new_york_republican_presidential_primary-4222.html) average has Trump at 53% statewide, with 22% for John Kasich and 18.6% for Cruz. If those numbers hold, Trump would get all 14 statewide delegates. But Cruz and Kasich wouldn’t have to eat into Trump’s lead that much to deny him some of them.
Proportional representation at the district level works as follows: If a candidate wins a majority, he gets all three delegates. If no one does, the candidate with a plurality gets two and the second-place finisher gets one.
New York has closed primaries, so that only registered Republicans can vote in the GOP primary. And because New York City is so heavily Democratic, most of its districts have few Republicans. The restaurant where Cruz spoke yesterday is in the district of Rep. Jose Serrano, where Mitt Romney received just 3% of the vote in 2012. The Cook Political Report (http://cookpolitical.com/file/2013-04-49.pdf) ranks it as the most Democratic district in the country (five of the city’s districts make the top 10).
But Serrano’s district has the same three-delegate allotment as all 26 others in New York, which means Republicans there have an outsize influence. Cruz doesn’t need to persuade many of them to earn himself a delegate, maybe two or even three. This is a great time to be a Bronx Republican, assuming you don’t mind living in the Bronx.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 10, 2016, 08:03:11 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-kasich-north-carolina-221774#ixzz45R10gNhH

Sad...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 10, 2016, 09:30:41 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-kasich-north-carolina-221774#ixzz45R10gNhH

Sad...

What do you expect from a long time career politician?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2016, 05:35:43 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/what-trump-can-learn-from-reagan-and-the-76-delegate-fight/2016/04/11/c13b1746-ffeb-11e5-b823-707c79ce3504_story.html
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 06:56:40 PM
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/john-kasich-north-carolina-221774#ixzz45R10gNhH

Sad...

What's sad???
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 11, 2016, 07:14:00 PM
What's sad???

I guess some people are sad to find out that Kasich is an unprincipled politician.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 07:29:42 PM
I guess some people are sad to find out that Kasich is an unprincipled politician.

Not sure I'm reading the right article. The one I'm seeing is about him against a discriminatory NC law.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 11, 2016, 07:55:23 PM
Not sure I'm reading the right article. The one I'm seeing is about him against a discriminatory NC law.

Correct.  The right wing hardliners are upset that his principles don't coincide with theirs.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 07:57:10 PM
Correct.  The right wing hardliners are upset that his principles don't coincide with theirs.

So move to Iran. They have no gays or transgenders
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 07:58:00 PM
Not sure I'm reading the right article. The one I'm seeing is about him against a discriminatory NC law.

I didn't know requiring men to be allowed to share locker rooms and bathrooms with girls was a prerequisite to being a decent,  non-discriminating human being.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 07:59:52 PM
Correct.  The right wing hardliners are upset that his principles don't coincide with theirs.

I don't think they're upset about it - just pointing it out.
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 08:00:35 PM
I didn't know requiring men to be allowed to share locker rooms and bathrooms with girls was a prerequisite to being a decent,  non-discriminating human being.

It isn't. But barring women from female bathrooms because they are transgender is. You may feel uncomfortable. But chances are they feel more uncomfortable.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on April 11, 2016, 08:05:16 PM
It isn't. But barring women from female bathrooms because they are transgender is. You may feel uncomfortable. But chances are they feel more uncomfortable.
??? Barring whom??!!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 11, 2016, 08:06:17 PM
I think he's referring to male-to-female transgender people.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 08:07:59 PM
What is a transgender?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 08:08:12 PM
I don't think they're upset about it - just pointing it out.

Then what does this have to do with his principles and him being a politician?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 08:08:50 PM
What is a transgender?

Check Wikipedia. Or a scientific study if you prefer
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 08:12:04 PM
There's nothing scientific about a man "feeling like a woman".
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 08:28:02 PM
There's nothing scientific about a man "feeling like a woman".

So I take it you didn't listen to my recommendation.  If the scientific literature is too dense for you, read Wikipedia. At least you'll be better informed.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 08:48:38 PM
All the arguments presuppose the conclusion. That why they don't give simple or broad definitions.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 11, 2016, 09:00:34 PM
I didn't know requiring men to be allowed to share locker rooms and bathrooms with girls was a prerequisite to being a decent,  non-discriminating human being.
I'm sure you'd feel way more at ease if this woman was sharing a bathroom with your daughter...


(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79b1a87560961d115178eb05eacb8bfd/tumblr_inline_nl4aipQk0n1s0q1be.png)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:01:17 PM
@EJB, if I think I'm the Messiah, would you validate my feelings?
Since when is mental illness validated?

If you don't think transgenderism is a mental illness, then you're mentally ill.

Wake up!

Think for yourself every once in a while!

Don't just follow society down the cliff to Sodom!
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:05:35 PM
@EJB, if I think I'm the Messiah, would you validate my feelings?
Since when is mental illness validated?

If you don't think transgenderism is a mental illness, then you're mentally ill.

Wake up!

Think for yourself every once in a while!

Don't just follow society down the cliff to Sodom!

Because that's how God created things. We don't get to decide biology.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 11, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Think for yourself every once in a while!
That is pretty funny. Hello pot have you met my friend kettle?  :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:06:51 PM
Because that's how God created things. We don't get to decide biology.
Huh?
Are you supporting my argument?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:08:01 PM
Huh?
Are you supporting my argument?

Nope. Biology goes well beyond sexual organs. If that's all you think about when someone mentions biology, oy vey.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:12:21 PM
That is pretty funny. Hello pot have you met my friend kettle?  :)
r u confusing me with BUruch?
 Believe it or not, I'm a big fan of Obama's. When it comes to trans, I think it's a shame and a sham.
Pretty hard to find an Obama fan who feels that way.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:16:14 PM
Biology also causes people to have anxieties, and multiple personalities, it's still a mental illness.

If I'm a multiple personality, and one of them is male and one female, can i go into men's and women's bathrooms, or just the bathroom with people that share my organs, or do I have to relieve myself on a tree?  :)

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 11, 2016, 09:17:15 PM
r u confusing me with BUruch?
Could be but what I meant was most of us follow some things blindly.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2016, 09:18:05 PM
Nope. Biology goes well beyond sexual organs. If that's all you think about when someone mentions biology then you would be Donald Trump, oy vey.
FTFY
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:18:30 PM
Biology also causes people to have anxieties, and multiple personalities, it's still a mental illness.

If I'm a multiple personality, and one of them is male and one female, can i go into men's and women's bathrooms, or just the bathroom with people that share my organs, or do I have to relieve myself on a tree?  :)

Depends what the definition of gender is, which is currently up for the states to define. You don't need to be immoral or a politician to define it as most scientists and states do.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:18:51 PM
FTFY

Rotfl
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:24:45 PM
Rotfl
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 09:25:03 PM
I'm sure you'd feel way more at ease if this woman was sharing a bathroom with your daughter...


(http://31.media.tumblr.com/79b1a87560961d115178eb05eacb8bfd/tumblr_inline_nl4aipQk0n1s0q1be.png)

I wouldn't - for an entirely different reason.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2016, 09:27:44 PM
Could be but what I meant was most of us follow some things blindly.
EVERYONE follows some things blindly. That is human nature. Who are the ones following blindly here? Those who blindly follow the ones who say they shouldn't be allowed into the non-birth gender restroom or those who blindly follow the ones who say they should be allowed? BOth are following blindly the only question is whom they are following.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 11, 2016, 09:33:23 PM
Who are the ones following blindly here? Those who blindly follow the ones who say they shouldn't be allowed into the non-birth gender restroom or those who blindly follow the ones who say they should be allowed? BOth are following blindly the only question is whom they are following.
Sorry you are not going to drag me into this PC. 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 11, 2016, 09:38:27 PM
I wouldn't - for an entirely different reason.
Exactly, so you wouldn't feel comfortable with her in the men's room or in the women's room.

I guess the question of which bathroom TG people should use is a lot more nuanced than you made it out to be in the beginning...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 09:38:36 PM
Depends what the definition of gender is, which is currently up for the states to define. You don't need to be immoral or a politician to define it as most scientists and states do.

I don't give a rat's hiny how you define gender. If gender can be defined in multiple ways, then it's a meaningless term. In plain English,  I don't want someone who was born with something hanging between his legs to share a locker room with someone's daughter.  I don't care if he chops it off, or if he says he feels like a girl. Besides, it's impossible for any man,  scientist or layman,  to know what it feels like to feel like a a woman.  Or vice versa.  That's how I know all those scientists are full of bs, and their arguments presuppose their conclusions.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2016, 09:38:51 PM
Sorry you are not going to drag me into this PC. 
You don't need to be dragged-you are already deep inside on your own.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2016, 09:41:52 PM
Depends what the definition of gender is, which is currently up for the states to define. You don't need to be immoral or a politician to define it as most scientists and states do.
Hmmmmmm speaking about following blindly.....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 11, 2016, 09:44:44 PM
You don't need to be dragged-you are already deep inside on your own.
Nice try but my comment had nothing to do with this TG discussion.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:44:58 PM
That's  how I know all those scientists are full of bs, and their arguments presuppose their conclusions.

Lol! Not even worth it to argue if this is your attitude (while being close to ignorant on the issue).

But you can feel however you want, just don't cast aside people who feel differently because of legitimate reasons as not having any principles. I'm not arguing one side over the other, just pointing out that there is a second side, and it isn't just politics or PC.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:48:59 PM
Hmmmmmm speaking about following blindly.....

???

Reading peer reviewed studies that support a hypothesis is "following blindly"? I'd argue that claiming, without any understanding of the science, that it's "my way or the highway" because that's my conception of gender, is just plain blind.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:51:51 PM
The trans suicide rate is 41%. FORTY ONE PERCENT.
It's a really sad mental illness.
The way society decided to deal with it is so misguided.
It's really sad.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
The trans suicide rate is 41%.

And the sky is blue
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 11, 2016, 09:54:03 PM
I dont have an issue with trans people sharing bathrooms with my duaghter/wife. My issue is with the non trans perv that'll claim he is a woman to gain access.
Is there any protocol for determining someone's gender and if they are indeed trans ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 09:54:39 PM
And the sky is blue
great answer.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:55:51 PM
I dont have an issue with trans people sharing bathrooms with my duaghter/wife. My issue is with the non trans perv that'll claim he is a women to gain access.
Is there any protocol for determining someone's gender and if they are indeed trans ?

+1

Different states have different rules. Some are very restrictive, others are less so.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 09:56:35 PM
The trans suicide rate is 41%. FORTY ONE PERCENT.
It's a really sad mental illness.
The way society decided to deal with it is so misguided.
It's really sad.

I agree with this. Society needs to be more accepting.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 10:00:50 PM
I agree with this. Society needs to be more accepting.
Remind me in 10 years when society gets more accepting to show you the studies that show that the rate went UP, because society allowed these ill people to mutilate their bodies, and further confused these people by accepting them as what their not.

People were much more persecuted previously in history. In Auchwitz the suicide rate wasn't 41%. The suicide rate is proof that trans is a mental illness.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 11, 2016, 10:02:00 PM
+1

Different states have different rules. Some are very restrictive, others are less so.
What are some of these rules other than "gender on your birth certificate"?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 10:02:10 PM
I agree with this. Society needs to be more accepting.

You're saying trans people in san Francisco or west Hollywood don't have a much-higher-than-average suicide rate?
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 10:02:35 PM
You're saying trans people in san Francisco or west Hollywood don't have a much-higher-than-average suicide rate?

3x higher. No idea about wh or sf
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 10:06:47 PM
What are some of these rules other than "gender on your birth certificate"?

Gender on ID
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 10:07:02 PM
Well if you're going to make a claim that society's lack of acceptance is the cause, then you should probably look at places where they're very much accepted, and see if they still have a big problem with suicide. You know, instead of blindly following people with an agenda.

You don't seem so well read on the topic. Just well read on one side of the topic.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 11, 2016, 10:09:47 PM
Gender on ID
I assume that you can change the gender on your id, do you know what the protocol is for that ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 10:10:20 PM
I assume that you can change the gender on your id, do you know what the protocol is for that ?

Depends on state, can require surgery or psych evaluation
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 11, 2016, 10:13:58 PM
Depends on state, can require surgery or psych evaluation
Thats fair enough.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 10:16:26 PM
Thats fair enough.

A patient can say whatever they want on a psych evaluation.

Which is not beneath a predator to do.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on April 11, 2016, 10:21:58 PM
wow didnt know that till now, did you realize that ted cruz is only 200 delegates behind trump? a week ago he was 300 behind, he is clearly making big progress!

#NEVERTRUMP NO WAY!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 11, 2016, 10:22:49 PM
Well if you're going to make a claim that society's lack of acceptance is the cause, then you should probably look at places where they're very much accepted, and see if they still have a big problem with suicide. You know, instead of blindly following people with an agenda.

You don't seem so well read on the topic. Just well read on one side of the topic.
i find it mindboggling that anyone can say with a straight face that the TG suicide rate is the result of anything but the increased bullying these individuals face. This is not bind following, it's common sense. But to satisfy my curiosity I took a look, here's what I found:
Quote
A brand new study from Canada confirms this effect. There, the suicide attempt rate for transgender people was similar to what other studies have found: about 18 times higher than the general population. But the study found that some factors greatly reduced the attempt rate. For example, when transgender people had affirming parents, the rate dropped by 57 percent. Access to legal documentation consistent with their gender identity dropped rates by 44 percent. Trans people who experienced low levels of anti-trans hate were 66 percent less likely to attempt suicide. And perhaps most importantly, the further along individuals were in their transitions — i.e. the closer they were to having a body and outward identity that matched their internal gender identity — the less likely they were to attempt suicide.

Source:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/22/3672506/transgender-suicide-rates/


Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 11, 2016, 10:23:27 PM
Remind me in 10 years when society gets more accepting to show you the studies that show that the rate went UP, because society allowed these ill people to mutilate their bodies, and further confused these people by accepting them as what their not.

People were much more persecuted previously in history. In Auchwitz the suicide rate wasn't 41%. The suicide rate is proof that trans is a mental illness.

A.  It's attempted suicide rate.
B.  Do you know what the attempted suicide rate was in Auchwitz? 
C.  Your conclusion is preposterous, and skipped many steps.

PS:  Studies have shown that Holocaust Survivors are 3 times more likely to attempted suicide.  Not sure how it's relevant, but figured you should know.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 11, 2016, 10:24:35 PM
A patient can say whatever they want on a psych evaluation.

Which is not beneath a predator to do.
I guess it can be manipulated. Honestly, I'm just trying to get clarity as I cant trust any info I get from the media, pro or con. They make it sound that if transgenders were allowed in bathrooms of their new gender then every peeping tom would be preying on our women.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 11, 2016, 10:26:19 PM
Source:
http://thinkprogress.org (http://thinkprogress.org)

Great source. Like bringing the pope as a source for Catholicism.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 10:26:36 PM
A.  It's attempted suicide rate.
B.  Do you know what the attempted suicide rate was in Auchwitz? 
C.  Your conclusion is preposterous, and skipped many steps.

PS:  Studies have shown that Holocaust Survivors are 3 times more likely to attempted suicide.  Not sure how it's relevant, but figured you should know.
Trans are not those most persecuted people in history. Yet they have the highest suicide rate of any population in history.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 11, 2016, 10:31:03 PM
Trans are not those most persecuted people in history. Yet they have the highest suicide rate of any population in history.

That's like saying "Poland has the highest rate of suicide in the world.  Must be all Polish people suffer from mental illness."

And I'm not even sure how you're objectively determining who's been persecuted the most.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on April 11, 2016, 10:31:20 PM
anyone with the updates gop delegate count?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 11, 2016, 10:32:20 PM
Are you just trying to save this thread?

GIYF:  https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=primary%20results&eob=m.09c7w0/R/4/short/m.09c7w0/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Marko Rubio on April 11, 2016, 10:38:45 PM
Are you just trying to save this thread?

GIYF: 
exactly!
#smart  ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 11, 2016, 10:42:51 PM
i find it mindboggling that anyone can say with a straight face that the TG suicide rate is the result of anything but the increased bullying these individuals face. This is not bind following, it's common sense. But to satisfy my curiosity I took a look, here's what I found:
Source:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2015/06/22/3672506/transgender-suicide-rates/

You didn't read what I wrote carefully.  I'm not saying it can't contribute, but even with all these statistics showing reductions, it's still very high. That's why I brought up wh and sf.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 11:07:17 PM
That's like saying "Poland has the highest rate of suicide in the world.  Must be all Polish people suffer from mental illness."

No it isn't. It's like saying that a boy who thinks he's a girl and has a 41% chance of commiting suicide is mentally ill. Also 41% is not just the highest rate, there's nothing even remotely close, it's 4 out of 10.

And I'm not even sure how you're objectively determining who's been persecuted the most.
I'm pretty certain inmates of Auschwitz were more persecuted than trans.
If I can trust my grandparents.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 11:10:20 PM
No it isn't. It's like saying that a boy who thinks he's a girl and has a 41% chance of commiting suicide is mentally ill.I'm pretty certain inmates of Auschwitz were more persecuted than trans.
If I can trust my grandparents.

They were transgenders in Auschwitz? Must have a ridiculously high suicide rate...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 11, 2016, 11:12:58 PM
They were transgenders in Auschwitz? Must have a ridiculously high suicide rate...
You, my friend, have serious reading comprehension issues. Or I have a serious writing disability.
I have no clue how you read that in my comment
Title: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 11, 2016, 11:17:18 PM
You, my friend, have serious reading comprehension issues. Or I have a serious writing disability.
I have no clue how you read that in my comment

And you have a serious sarcasm comprehension issue. My point is this:

You're comparing two types of completely different experiences to support your argument that for one of them suicide is comparably  normal while for the other it's a sign of a mental illness.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: shia27 on April 12, 2016, 01:46:18 AM
@david smith ok answer me here :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2016, 11:34:50 AM
 
Quote
   Andrew Stiles
    ✔
    ‎@AndrewStilesUSA

    Trump on bankruptcies: I used the rules to my advantage!

    Trump on Cruz using delegate rules to his advantage: Cheating!

    Follow
    Andrew Stiles
    ✔
    ‎@AndrewStilesUSA

    It’s just sad, really. Trump's main pitch is “I’m a brilliant manager.”

    He’s going to lose because he’s not a brilliant manager.
    4:56 PM - 11 Apr 2016

Quote
If Trump Doesn’t Understand 156 Year Old Political Rules, How Will He Understand the Presidency? (http://theresurgent.com/if-trump-doesnt-understand-156-year-old-political-rules-how-will-he-understand-the-presidency/)
By Erick Erickson (http://theresurgent.com/author/erick/)  |   April 11, 2016, 03:59pm
      Donald Trump is again complaining about the delegate rules of the Republican Party — delegate rules that have existed in various forms for 156 years. In fact, the present delegate rules have not really changed in decades, requiring that the nominee of the party get a majority of the delegates of the party to be the party’s nominee.
Donald Trump entered the race knowing he would need 1,237 delegates. But the man who claims he surrounds himself with experts and top men to advise him on things surrounded himself with advisors who told him not to worry about the delegates. Now Trump is having to bring in new people to play the delegate game, which is an acknowledgement that the rule for a majority will no be waived.
But along the way, both Trump and his supporters have taken to whining incessantly about the majority requirement. Publicly they think it should be changed to a plurality, though neither the delegate rules nor the Electoral College rules will be changed from majority to plurality.
Just because Donald Trump has the most delegates does not mean he has a majority of delegates. The rules matter.
That Trump has, for this long, surrounded himself with people who clearly failed to accurately advise him on the delegate rules is troubling. We know that Trump’s foreign affairs advisors are not really top men and, frankly, some are staggeringly unqualified. Likewise, we know Trump has barely met with them.
But these are the people he’d take advice from on foreign policy. Trump, though, says he has a very smart brain and he consults with himself. On Meet the Press yesterday, his campaign surrogate said it was Trump himself running the campaign — a campaign that ignored 156 years of needing delegates.
If Donald Trump cracks over a 156 year tradition of requiring a majority of delegates for the Republican nomination how is he going to understand the demands of the Presidency? If Trump claims he surrounds himself with top men and those top men advised him so poorly on the delegate issue, how can we be reassured he won’t make the same mistakes in a Presidential administration?
Thankfully that is unlikely to happen.

Trump can go around screaming and yelling but meanwhile that is all he has shown himself able to do. When it comes to strategy he is being trounced and that is likely to lose him the nomination. He will call it stolen from him and cry about but it will be because he was emor harbe vaase me'at. He would lose the general on strategy as well. Let him yap and yap but until he can show that he can have some actions to back up his yelling it is worthless. As president he would also be expecting to get his way by yelling. There are too many egos in Washington for that to happen.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 12, 2016, 11:49:15 AM
All of a sudden its ok to change procedures that have been in place for 100s of years.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 12, 2016, 11:56:12 AM
The funniest thing is that Trump actually gained from the delegate system. He has a higher percentage of delegates received to percentage of votes received than Cruz does.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2016, 11:56:36 AM
All of a sudden its ok to change procedures that have been in place for 100s of years.
No procedure has been changed yet. Any changes at the convention will be made by delegates. Had Trump actually done something to get himself loyal delegates he would be the one manipulating the rules. How many times in his life has he manipulated rules to get his way? Now that it is being used against him he is crying about it?

Another point is that Trump has benefited greatly from open primaries. But the idea of open primaries is relatively recent (http://www.openprimaries.org/history). Why should Democrats be involved in choosing the Republican nominee? Isn't winning based on the votes of outsiders who will never vote for him in a general "cheating"?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2016, 11:57:24 AM
The funniest thing is that Trump actually gained from the delegate system. He has a higher percentage of delegates received to percentage of votes received than Cruz does.
True. That is mainly due to winner take all states.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Sport on April 12, 2016, 12:10:15 PM
No procedure has been changed yet. Any changes at the convention will be made by delegates. Had Trump actually done something to get himself loyal delegates he would be the one manipulating the rules. How many times in his life has he manipulated rules to get his way? Now that it is being used against him he is crying about it?

Another point is that Trump has benefited greatly from open primaries. But the idea of open primaries is relatively recent (http://www.openprimaries.org/history). Why should Democrats be involved in choosing the Republican nominee? Isn't winning based on the votes of outsiders who will never vote for him in a general "cheating"?
My point was that suddenly pundits who favor Trump are advocating against the procedures of nominating a candidate.
The same people who adamantly fight any change to our traditions.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 12, 2016, 12:33:34 PM
My point was that suddenly pundits who favor Trump are advocating against the procedures of nominating a candidate.
The same people who adamantly fight any change to our traditions.
Great point just shows the likes of Hannity are complete frauds

Trump can go around screaming and yelling but meanwhile that is all he has shown himself able to do. When it comes to strategy he is being trounced and that is likely to lose him the nomination. He will call it stolen from him and cry about but it will be because he was emor harbe vaase me'at. He would lose the general on strategy as well. Let him yap and yap but until he can show that he can have some actions to back up his yelling it is worthless. As president he would also be expecting to get his way by yelling. There are too many egos in Washington for that to happen.
Another great point he has such poor organization of his campaign. All he has shown is his ability to talk big. The fact that he has zero strategic planning and leadership is frightening
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2016, 12:45:50 PM
My point was that suddenly pundits who favor Trump are advocating against the procedures of nominating a candidate.
The same people who adamantly fight any change to our traditions.
I misunderstood you. I thought you were complaining how "they" are changing rules to the detriment of Trump. Here Trump is the one complaining about existing rules.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on April 12, 2016, 05:40:29 PM
dont vote democrat
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 12, 2016, 09:13:35 PM
The fact that the Republicans have a choice between Dracula and an orangutan, says everything you need to know about the Republican Party.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 12, 2016, 09:31:34 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04/12/fresh-document-trove-sheds-light-on-clinton-trump-ties.html?intcmp=trending
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 12, 2016, 09:41:24 PM
The fact that the Republicans have a choice between Dracula and an orangutan, says everything you need to know about the Republican Party.

The fact that the Democrats have a choice between a senile socialist and a criminal socialist, says everything you need to know about the Democrat Party.

See what I did there  :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 12, 2016, 11:06:07 PM
So now we know two important things about Kasich:

1. He's a makir tovah to Dan.

2. He's a secret DDF'r

719944601860251648[/tweet]/photo/1] (http://[tweet)/photo/1[/url]

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=40116.msg1455714#msg1455714

But on a more serious note, he doesn't have very good advisers as to what he should say to which crowds.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on April 12, 2016, 11:28:48 PM
I want to like trump, but I cant buy it.

I dont view him as successful.  He appeals to middle america that feels "they took our jerbs!" and successful people

I wish I could buy the lets make america great again but this isnt color war in CGI.. The USA is not about branding and marketing.

Sure it worked for obama, so now all the R' that bashed the D's, just copy D... asshats
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on April 12, 2016, 11:32:23 PM
Great CNN town hall with Trumps tonight . Anyone watch?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on April 12, 2016, 11:46:14 PM
How did we even get here ?

I blame tea party leftovers from pushing rubio and cruz to run and many tea party folks wet their undies over trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Huntsman,_Jr.

Sad bit is, I supported a GOP that was a joke, mccain, palin, romney... huntsman was a great candidate.

We wasted 8 years attacking the other side! FOR SHAME!

What do THEY have ? hillary ?!?! who needs emails to discredit her, she runs in 2008, losses, trades of '12 and now in 2016, a full 8 years later, what does she offer ? zilch

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 13, 2016, 01:41:46 AM
The fact that the Democrats have a choice between a senile socialist and a criminal socialist, says everything you need to know about the Democrat Party.

See what I did there  :P
And I agree with you.
All 4 of them stink

I was responding to the picture saying that about the Democratic Party
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 13, 2016, 11:55:50 PM
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/donald-trumps-insincere-process-arguments/article/2588437
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 14, 2016, 08:03:17 AM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/kasich-meets-talmudic-scholars-explains-bible.html?mid=fb-share-di
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 14, 2016, 12:39:41 PM
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/kasich-meets-talmudic-scholars-explains-bible.html?mid=fb-share-di

I think Pathetic would be an understatement for how Kasich came across there.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on April 14, 2016, 01:23:37 PM
and satmar is here
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 14, 2016, 02:22:11 PM
and satmar is here

The key words are almost at the bottom - פדיון שבויים.

I am not part of the Satmar kehilla, so I get to vote for the only person that is 100% honest is this entire election cycle - Bernie Sanders!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: yoruel on April 14, 2016, 03:38:55 PM
Was anyone here at the meeting earlier today?

https://twitter.com/KolHaolam

I dont know how to post link with pictures.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on April 14, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
and satmar is here
Can someone translate?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chevron on April 14, 2016, 07:09:24 PM
Can someone translate?


shhe helped with pidyon shvuyim etc..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 15, 2016, 10:34:44 AM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/let-me-ask-america-a-question-1460675882

How about a strategy to win the R nomination by sidelining Rs with D voters in open primaries?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on April 15, 2016, 04:06:53 PM
If Bernie is the Democratic nominee, who does Satmar vote for?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 15, 2016, 05:00:15 PM
If Bernie is the Democratic nominee, who does Satmar vote for?
Benjamin Franklin, like always.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: chaimmayer on April 17, 2016, 10:43:11 PM
Back to opening this can of worms:
Ms. Trump, meanwhile, has traveled across the country with her father, joining the populist swirl of rallies, polling stations, senior centers and late-night McDonald’s runs. Mr. Trump’s to-go order is two Big Macs; Ms. Trump, who keeps kosher, sticks to the fries.
From here
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/politics/ivanka-trump-donald-trump.html?_r=0
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 17, 2016, 10:52:14 PM
Sweet, can't wait to have me some fries.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 17, 2016, 11:39:12 PM
Back to opening this can of worms:
Ms. Trump, meanwhile, has traveled across the country with her father, joining the populist swirl of rallies, polling stations, senior centers and late-night McDonald’s runs. Mr. Trump’s to-go order is two Big Macs; Ms. Trump, who keeps kosher, sticks to the fries.
From here
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/17/us/politics/ivanka-trump-donald-trump.html?_r=0

McDonald's fries are known to be fleishig (and treif)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 17, 2016, 11:42:24 PM
McDonald's fries are known to be fleishig (and treif)
I don't disagree about treif but IIRC at this point they use artificial flavors.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 17, 2016, 11:46:27 PM
I don't disagree about treif but IIRC at this point they use artificial flavors.
They aren't deep fried in the same oil as the treif?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 17, 2016, 11:47:36 PM
They aren't deep fried in the same oil as the treif?
Don't think so. Same fryer etc though. Definitely not kosher.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 18, 2016, 07:13:50 AM
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/new-york-citys-jewish-vote-might-win-cruz-or-kasich-key-delegates/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 18, 2016, 08:33:22 AM
Y'all are finally getting a taste of what's it's like in OH from August-November every 4 years...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 18, 2016, 12:27:28 PM
Y'all are finally getting a taste of what's it's like in OH from August-November every 4 years...
Yup heard my first commercial for a president ever last week. It's nice to feel ur vote actually matters
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 18, 2016, 07:25:56 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/18/hillary-clinton-is-totally-beatable-in-a-general-election-just-not-by-donald-trump-or-ted-cruz/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 18, 2016, 09:37:47 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/18/hillary-clinton-is-totally-beatable-in-a-general-election-just-not-by-donald-trump-or-ted-cruz/
These polls don't take into consideration what it would take to make kasich the nominee.....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 18, 2016, 09:44:21 PM
Did I just hear trump call 9/11-  7/11?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 09:52:27 PM
I guess I am not the only one rooting for Sanders as one of the best hopes for the Rs.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-18/despite-polls-republicans-see-sanders-as-an-easier-opponent
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 18, 2016, 09:53:38 PM
I guess I am not the only one rooting for Sanders as one of the best hopes for the Rs.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-18/despite-polls-republicans-see-sanders-as-an-easier-opponent
Sanders vs Trump? I hope Clinton wins.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 18, 2016, 09:56:49 PM
Sanders vs Trump? I hope Clinton wins.
+1
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 09:57:24 PM
Sanders vs Trump? I hope Clinton wins.

Did you read the article? They actually provide a little more analysis than just my gut feeling and instinct. Apparently the lack of negative opinions of Sanders is the fact that he's not well known. Do you really think a true Socialist (with a capital S) could be elected POTUS?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 18, 2016, 10:00:24 PM
Did you read the article? They actually provide a little more analysis than just my gut feeling and instinct. Apparently the lack of negative opinions of Sanders is the fact that he's not well known. Do you really think a true Socialist (with a capital S) could be elected POTUS?

If he runs against one of the republicans, sure
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 10:06:12 PM
If he runs against one of the republicans, sure

I guess that's the beauty of DDF. We can have a diametrical difference of opinion and still keep it civilized.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 18, 2016, 10:06:45 PM
Apologize if this is a repost but omg this guy is retarded.

https://youtu.be/Kgiu0vpLG0k
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 18, 2016, 10:08:20 PM
I guess that's the beauty of DDF. We can have a diametrical difference of opinion and still keep it civilized.

I would never vote for him. But  all indications are a landslide sanders victory against any republican.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 10:10:11 PM
Apologize if this is a repost but omg this guy is retarded.

https://youtu.be/Kgiu0vpLG0k

That's ancient news. I think Pathetic is a more accurate adjective, especially since ער איז ניט אזא פרומער גוי in the first place!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 18, 2016, 10:13:23 PM
That's ancient news. I think Pathetic is a more accurate adjective, especially since ער איז ניט אזא פרומער גוי in the first place!
בקיצור נעבך א'שוטה גמור

He actually mentioned Christian blood while holding matza.
Can't get over it. I'm done with this guy.

Go Trump, Cruz, Berne wtvr.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 10:16:01 PM
...But  all indications are a landslide sanders victory against any republican.

What are those indications? Are these polls (which have already been proven totally unreliable in this election cycle)?  Even if polls would have some credibility, I think they are totally meaningless at this point. Let's see some polls when the US is plastered with pictures of Sanders with a hammer and sickle as backdrop! Sanders is not a Clintonite liar, he won't deny being a Socialist!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 10:17:59 PM
I'm done with this guy.

You mean to say you ever had any hopes for this guy? You must be a big fan of Dan  ;)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 18, 2016, 10:26:00 PM
What are those indications? Are these polls (which have already been proven totally unreliable in this election cycle)?  Even if polls would have some credibility, I think they are totally meaningless at this point. Let's see some polls when the US is plastered with pictures of Sanders with a hammer and sickle as backdrop! Sanders is not a Clintonite liar, he won't deny being a Socialist!

Polling data has been pretty reliable, especially when consistent. People like pointing to the one or two upsets thus far, but they've overall been relatively accurate. And I don't think that'll change much when the "new polls" come out. Most of the country finds him genuine and agrees with most of his positions, even if we think he'd  be horrible for America. There only are a handful of states that count, and if the republicans lose one of the key battleground states, they can kiss their presidential hopes goodbye due to the electoral math.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 18, 2016, 10:33:37 PM
Apologize if this is a repost but omg this guy is retarded.

https://youtu.be/Kgiu0vpLG0k
And i thought Carson was the only mentally retarded candidate!
Wow!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 10:41:46 PM
...Most of the country ....agrees with most of his positions.

Citation?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 18, 2016, 10:47:08 PM
Citation?

Here's one example

http://reverbpress.com/politics/datalog/americans-agree-bernie-sanders/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 18, 2016, 11:01:03 PM
Here's one example

http://reverbpress.com/politics/datalog/americans-agree-bernie-sanders/

Sure thing if you cherry pick 10 headline positions without exposing the rest of his positions, or what some of his positions would practically mean, you can get such poll results.

If the race is between Sanders and Cruz, or Sanders and Kasich, who do you think Michael Bloomberg would vote for?

Do you honestly think Sanders could pull in independent votes?

I might be wrong, but I think Cruz has a better chance to gain Reagan Democrats than Sanders has to get I or R votes No matter who the R nominee is
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 18, 2016, 11:59:02 PM
Sure thing if you cherry pick 10 headline positions without exposing the rest of his positions, or what some of his positions would practically mean, you can get such poll results.

If the race is between Sanders and Cruz, or Sanders and Kasich, who do you think Michael Bloomberg would vote for?

Do you honestly think Sanders could pull in independent votes?

I might be wrong, but I think Cruz has a better chance to gain Reagan Democrats than Sanders has to get I or R votes No matter who the R nominee is

Latest CBS poll
(http://cbsnews2.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2016/04/14/dbb53657-9e48-4065-b210-56c699a381f0/75bc01cb670a576e54d8b13e7105f32b/2016generalelectionmatchupsdemographicstable.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 19, 2016, 12:28:53 AM
Looking at those numbers it astounds me that the DNC is still pushing for HRC.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 19, 2016, 12:32:47 AM
I still contend that at this point those polls are not meaningful.

Pay attention to the last paragraph in the following article

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 19, 2016, 06:58:21 AM
I still contend that at this point those polls are not meaningful.

Pay attention to the last paragraph in the following article

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/

The poll isn't of ppl who voted in the primary. Of course things could change, but don't kid yourself into thinking kasich or cruz would fare better w independents.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Eliyohu on April 19, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
https://youtu.be/mr6LqKqQmJ8
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Mordyk on April 19, 2016, 11:43:52 AM
Why is carson on the ballot? :o
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on April 19, 2016, 12:28:29 PM
Why is carson on the ballot? :o
He missed the deadline to have his name removed.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 19, 2016, 12:30:02 PM
Why is carson on the ballot? :o
Think he'll get more votes than Kasich?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 19, 2016, 12:31:02 PM
Think he'll get more votes than Kasich?
Polls have Kasich having more votes than Cruz in NY...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 19, 2016, 12:31:28 PM
Polls have Kasich having more votes than Cruz in NY...
i know....
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jj1000 on April 19, 2016, 12:32:36 PM
Polls have Kasich having more votes than Cruz in NY...
I saw that yesterday as well. His NY comment in the debate and not backing down from it must've hurt him a lot. In the general it'd make no difference is the funny part, just too bad for him now.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on April 19, 2016, 12:41:11 PM
http://www.jdn.co.il/breakingnews/675130
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 19, 2016, 08:37:58 PM
Why do chareidim support trump? Bc he isn't as pro Israel as the other republican candidates?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on April 19, 2016, 08:44:15 PM
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 19, 2016, 09:28:49 PM
Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island votes going heavily for Trump. Where are all the DDF Cruz voters? :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 19, 2016, 09:34:08 PM

Finally someone who understands what this election is about.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 19, 2016, 09:46:04 PM
Queens, Brooklyn, and Staten Island votes going heavily for Trump. Where are all the DDF Cruz voters? :)
From fivethirtyeight's live blog:
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 19, 2016, 09:52:12 PM
Thanks!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 19, 2016, 10:02:26 PM


This guy's a moron. And I'm anti-zionist too.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on April 19, 2016, 10:04:24 PM


This guy's a moron.
why?

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 19, 2016, 10:06:38 PM
Because being pro-israel as a jew is important to save jewish lives. Even though zionism, and the state/government is anti-Torah.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 19, 2016, 10:12:49 PM
Per 538

"DAVID WASSERMAN 10:11 PM
Cruz is doing very well in Orthodox Jewish communities (Borough Park, South Williamsburg, and Crown Heights). But because these neighborhoods are in three separate congressional districts, it’s possible Cruz could still wind up with ZERO delegates out of New York." :(
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Buruch on April 19, 2016, 10:16:26 PM
"anti-israel candidates does not mean anti-jewish"  ::)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on April 19, 2016, 10:17:02 PM
Per 538

"DAVID WASSERMAN 10:11 PM
Cruz is doing very well in Orthodox Jewish communities (Borough Park, South Williamsburg, and Crown Heights). But because these neighborhoods are in three separate congressional districts, it’s possible Cruz could still wind up with ZERO delegates out of New York." :(
Was coming to post
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Centro on April 19, 2016, 11:19:24 PM
How come Kasich won over Cruz in NY?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 19, 2016, 11:25:32 PM
How come Kasich won over Cruz in NY?
Because everyone hates Cruz besides for his supporters.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Zkpncs48 on April 19, 2016, 11:48:31 PM
Because everyone hates Cruz besides for his supporters.
Not true. I support him and still hate him.
What should I say; he is eminently unlikeable and condescending and overly dramatic and sanctimonious. If the other candidtes weren't so darn retarded I would never think of supporting him.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 20, 2016, 08:02:17 AM
Why is carson on the ballot? :o

Bc trump told him to stay on the ballot but void his vote tally.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 20, 2016, 08:02:44 AM
Because everyone hates Cruz besides for his supporters.

He also doesn't have New York values
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 20, 2016, 09:09:18 AM
Not true. I support him and still hate him.
What should I say; he is eminently unlikeable and condescending and overly dramatic and sanctimonious. If the other candidtes weren't so darn retarded I would never think of supporting him.
lol.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Zkpncs48 on April 20, 2016, 09:59:23 AM
Bc trump told him to stay on the ballot but void his vote tally.
Using the rules to trump the Will Of The People?! Scandalous.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 20, 2016, 10:07:01 AM
Using the rules to trump the Will Of The People?! Scandalous.

Nope, using the rules of the "rigged" system. He's right that the system is broken and rigged, but he more than anyone else benefits from it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:09:28 AM
Nope, using the rules of the "rigged" system. He's right that the system is broken and rigged, but he more than anyone else benefits from it.
How does he benefit from it?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 20, 2016, 10:11:08 AM
How does he benefit from it?

Im talking about in general. His proportion of delegates to votes  is higher than Cruz's. Not because of him doing anything wrong, but because that's how the system is set up.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:12:47 AM
Picking the nominee should be the same as picking your president. You win the state you get the delegates.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:19:39 AM
Picking the nominee should be the same as picking your president. You win the state you get the delegates.
Why?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:20:55 AM
How does he benefit from it?
By campaigning for and relying on Ds to win some states in the R open primary.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:22:19 AM
Why?
Seems fair to me or pool all votes together.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:22:53 AM
By campaigning for and relying on Ds to win some states in the R open primary.
Like NY?  :P
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:29:09 AM
Like NY?  :P
No, NY is closed.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:29:46 AM
Seems fair to me or pool all votes together.
Why? Why should votes count differently in different states?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:30:49 AM
Why? Why should votes count differently in different states?
I think that would be the fairest system.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:32:15 AM
I think that would be the fairest system.
Why?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:34:05 AM
Why?
Is English your first language?  :)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:35:27 AM
Is English your first language?  :)
You mean I should have understood from your not explaining why you feel it is more fair that some votes should count more than other that it is for no reason at alll?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 20, 2016, 10:38:09 AM
You mean I should have understood from your not explaining why you feel it is more fair that some votes should count more than other that it is for no reason at alll?
What you should understand that in a fair system one vote equals one vote.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 10:44:27 AM
What you should understand that in a fair system one vote equals one vote.
If one vote equals one vote then all should be proportional.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 11:52:10 AM
James Taranto@jamestaranto   12h12 hours ago  James Taranto Retweeted Donald J. Trump
 

 Is that Lion Ted?

James Taranto Retweeted Donald J. Trump
          (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgcnMtxWEAEI3dB.jpg)       Donald J. Trump  @realDonaldTrump   ":    "  Wow, really nice!           3 retweets     23 likes                 
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ual902 on April 20, 2016, 02:42:59 PM
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-k-KJmcFcymo/VxdcBHNLpzI/AAAAAAAGGnU/F9LR8E__CwIvExH2kh1sEHi73Wrl-zIBwCLcB/s1600/%25D7%2594%25D7%2597%25D7%25A8%25D7%2593%25D7%2599%25D7%259D%2B%25D7%2594%25D7%25A6%25D7%2591%25D7%2599%25D7%25A2%25D7%2595%2B%25D7%2591%25D7%25A8%25D7%2595%25D7%2591%25D7%259D%2B%25D7%259C%25D7%25A7%25D7%25A8%25D7%2595%25D7%2596.jpg)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: avrumy22 on April 20, 2016, 02:50:17 PM
anyone here going to CLE?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2016, 02:51:15 PM
anyone here going to CLE?
You have a way of getting convention tickets?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 02:52:55 PM
You have a way of getting convention tickets?
We were going to rely on you to get them for us. We will leave comments on DDMS with our phone and email for you to get them to us.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on April 20, 2016, 02:54:27 PM
You have a way of getting convention tickets?
UPS, no?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on April 20, 2016, 02:56:00 PM
We were going to rely on you to get them for us. We will leave comments on DDMS with our phone and email for you to get them to us.
He needs your social and birthday too.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on April 20, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
He needs your social and birthday too.
He should still have those from last time.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: username on April 20, 2016, 03:40:24 PM
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Please note that the Host Committee does not offer any volunteer opportunities inside of the arena.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on April 20, 2016, 07:01:39 PM
Volunteer | 2016 Republican National Convention In Cleveland (https://www.2016cle.com/volunteer)
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All you need to do is flash a hatzolah badge at the service entrance. You should have seen how bad it was at the siyum hashas.
(I've personally gotten backstage at a concert just by a friend flashing a badge/card. Obviously not as tight security, but still its a weak point in most secure events)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2016, 07:31:50 PM
Are you seriously comparing the RNC to the Siyum Hashas?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: eli1571 on April 20, 2016, 08:38:34 PM
especially if the current convention turns out to be a contested one.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: avrumy22 on April 20, 2016, 11:49:31 PM
You have a way of getting convention tickets?

Yep ;) I hope to be there.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on April 20, 2016, 11:50:46 PM
Care to share how?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: avrumy22 on April 20, 2016, 11:51:11 PM
All you need to do is flash a hatzolah badge at the service entrance. You should have seen how bad it was at the siyum hashas.
(I've personally gotten backstage at a concert just by a friend flashing a badge/card. Obviously not as tight security, but still its a weak point in most secure events)

You've GOT to be kidding. Security is going to be insane.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: avrumy22 on April 20, 2016, 11:51:56 PM
Care to share how?

PM me. Honestly if I tell here there's gonna be a DO.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: EJB on April 20, 2016, 11:59:49 PM
PM me. Honestly if I tell here there's gonna be a DO.
So share
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on April 21, 2016, 07:58:34 AM
Trump should promise to nominate Cruz for Supreme Court in exchange for getting out.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 21, 2016, 12:46:31 PM
Trump should promise to nominate Cruz for Supreme Court in exchange for getting out.

Cruz probably doesn't think Trump has a shot at beating HRC.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ephcc90 on April 21, 2016, 01:22:02 PM
Thought this Cruz ad was pretty good.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on April 21, 2016, 01:45:53 PM
Thought this Cruz ad was pretty good.

Besides for The Hillary look alike, I think it's pretty bad.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: zh cohen on April 22, 2016, 12:31:54 AM
Cruz probably doesn't think Trump has a shot at beating HRC.

And Trump has a record of not paying up...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 27, 2016, 05:09:57 AM


Ted has been mathematically eliminated. - but can Trump actually win on the first round?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on April 27, 2016, 08:33:44 AM
Yes
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 27, 2016, 10:44:06 AM
Yes
Does he have a real chance to beat Hillary?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 27, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Does he have a real chance to beat Hillary?
No one thought he had a real chance to be the nominee.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on April 27, 2016, 11:08:27 AM
No one thought he had a real chance to be the nominee.
In others you are saying he has no chance, but you never know?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 27, 2016, 11:11:05 AM
In others you are saying he has no chance, but you never know?
I actually give him a real chance. People are pissed off and he has tapped into it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Yammer on April 27, 2016, 11:43:17 AM
In others you are saying he has no chance, but you never know?
Yup!

Did he stand a chance against Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Cristie etc? His label "low energy" eliminated Jeb Bush, lying Ted made people less trusting of Ted Cruz, and it goes on and on.

Although polls show Hillary Clinton ahead, imagine what can happen FE when Trump flips the coin on woman with Bill's history ? ( and he will say it with his vocabulary... )Bill would be embarrassed to be anywhere public for a month.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 27, 2016, 12:02:52 PM
People are voting for Trump for two reasons - Hope, and Change.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 27, 2016, 12:16:21 PM
People are voting for Trump for two reasons - Hope, and Change.
You just don't get it.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on April 27, 2016, 12:48:15 PM
You just don't get it.


Just great. That epitomizes everything perfectly.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on April 27, 2016, 01:48:46 PM
You just don't get it.



 ::)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on April 27, 2016, 03:23:10 PM


Great speech .
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 27, 2016, 05:02:48 PM
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Ydad on April 27, 2016, 05:10:50 PM
What in tarnation?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 27, 2016, 06:10:20 PM
Desperation.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Aaaron on April 27, 2016, 08:13:14 PM
"Ted Cruz nominating a VP is like me picking out an outfit for my date with Jennifer Lopez."   ;D

Seen on Twitter.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on April 27, 2016, 08:46:04 PM
"Ted Cruz nominating a VP is like me picking out an outfit for my date with Jennifer Lopez."   ;D

Seen on Twitter.

I think this calls for a poll as to who was more pathetic, Kasich in Boro Park or Cruz naming a running mate.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on April 27, 2016, 08:56:42 PM
I think this calls for a poll as to who was more pathetic, Kasich in Boro Park or Cruz naming a running mate.
Kasich in BP was a local thing with no national implications.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 02, 2016, 07:45:45 PM
Cruz had such a soft target here, but he lost imho because he was so condescending or just unlikable


https://youtu.be/qqYbpIIwEDQ
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on May 02, 2016, 07:52:02 PM
Cruz had such a soft target here, but he lost imho because he was so condescending or just unlikable


https://youtu.be/qqYbpIIwEDQ
Much more pathetic than K in the matzah bakery.

Here's another view: http://wapo.st/1ObFCTl
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on May 02, 2016, 10:50:46 PM
not a chance.
his math does not add up.
established candidates equal 50%+ of the vote.
Once they start to drop out and the votes consolidate to one candidate, trumps toast.
No brainer IMO. Mark my words.
He has a strong floor of passionate supporters but has an incredibly firm ceiling of ppl who will NEVER vote for him.
Hi! Are you still here?

I marked your words and I am bringing it up right now.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 02, 2016, 11:35:34 PM
Hi! Are you still here?

I marked your words and I am bringing it up right now.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 03, 2016, 11:14:54 AM
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143789982926/clinton-versus-trump-persuasion-scores

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/143431313681/the-unfavorability-illusion
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 03, 2016, 07:16:02 PM
Lyin' Ted, but he is probably toast anyhow.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 03, 2016, 08:36:24 PM
Message to all the Rush Limbaugh Ditto Heads and Hannity cool-aid drinkers:

Look who your party nominated: a bufoon - Donald Trump.

Maybe you should rethink how smart and great the Republican Party is.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 03, 2016, 08:38:59 PM
Gotta remove Cruz from the poll.

The poll won't have to be edited again. Kasich will still be running in 2050.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on May 03, 2016, 08:48:05 PM
Kasich will probably still stay in the race . ;D
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 03, 2016, 08:52:15 PM
Kasich will probably still stay in the race . ;D
he already announced that he will
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on May 03, 2016, 08:52:40 PM
he already announced that he will
What ie the reason hes still staying ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 03, 2016, 08:56:10 PM
he already announced that he will
of course. This was never about his becoming nominee anyhow. At least not for a while.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aro123 on May 03, 2016, 08:58:52 PM
so who thinks donald will pick ivanka as his vp . a woman that he wont have to be scared will overshadow him
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 03, 2016, 09:10:20 PM
What ie the reason hes still staying ?
Mental illness
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: pixi on May 03, 2016, 09:10:54 PM
Mental illness
I really thought he's smarter then that.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 03, 2016, 09:12:03 PM
Message to all the Rush Limbaugh Ditto Heads and Hannity cool-aid drinkers:

Look who your party nominated: a bufoon - Donald Trump.

Maybe you should rethink how smart and great the Republican Party is.
Wasn't really following,but was rush and hannity bashing Trump? Did they not see that he would probably be the nominee? What they gonna do now?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on May 03, 2016, 09:13:21 PM
Time to create a new party or build the conservative party
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 03, 2016, 09:13:27 PM
I really thought he's smarter then that.
No-one can really seem to diagnose what his goal is... Lots of smart pundits.

He looks like the idiot that he is.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 09:13:33 PM
Still debating between voting for Mickey Mouse or Rabbi Chaikin in November.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 03, 2016, 09:14:03 PM
Still debating between voting for Mickey Mouse or Rabbi Chaikin in November.
I thought your a kascish guy? Write him in!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 09:15:11 PM
I thought your a kascish guy? Write him in!
He lost me at the matzah factory.
Mickey Mouse 2016!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 03, 2016, 09:16:17 PM
Still debating between voting for Mickey Mouse or Rabbi Chaikin in November.
Seriously though, who is worse for the country. Hillary or Trump? I'm thinking Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on May 03, 2016, 09:17:24 PM
Seriously though, who is worse for the country. Hillary or Trump? I'm thinking Trump.
That is a tough one. For the country I would have to say Trump would be worst.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 03, 2016, 09:18:27 PM
He lost me at the matzah factory.
Mickey Mouse 2016!
I think I'm gonna take it a step further. Hillary 2016!
Wow, I never thought I'd vote for a stinking Clinton!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Eliyohu on May 03, 2016, 09:18:53 PM
Wasn't really following,but was rush and hannity bashing Trump? Did they not see that he would probably be the nominee? What they gonna do now?
Not at all mby a little at the begining of the race but in recent months they've been rooting/defending him
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 09:18:59 PM
Seriously though, who is worse for the country. Hillary or Trump? I'm thinking Trump.
At this point I can't see myself voting for either. Clinton is 4 more years of the same garbage. Trump might be great or he might destroy the place, who knows.
Frankly I want no part in either, so I'll likely write in Mickey Mouse to voice my displeasure. Why should I feel guilty about the outcome that will happen from electing either?
Sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 09:20:54 PM
In all likelihood this will be the biggest electoral landslide since the 80s and the biggest D landslide since 1964. Trump doesn't have a shot, Clinton will draw from Ds, Is, and Rs.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 03, 2016, 09:21:02 PM
At this point I can't see myself voting for either. Clinton is 4 more years of the same garbage. Trump might be great or he might destroy the place, who knows.
Frankly I want no part in either, so I'll likely write in Mickey Mouse to voice my displeasure. Why should I feel guilty about the outcome that will happen from electing either?
Sad state of affairs.
Same garbage for 4 years is better than a lose cannon maniac who MAY very well burn the place down..
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 03, 2016, 09:22:02 PM
At this point I can't see myself voting for either. Clinton is 4 more years of the same garbage. Trump might be great or he might destroy the place, who knows.
Frankly I want no part in either, so I'll likely write in Mickey Mouse to voice my displeasure. Why should I feel guilty about the outcome that will happen from electing either?
Sad state of affairs.
as a resident of a swing state, you don't have the luxury of wasting your vote. You're gonna have to pick who you think is likelier the lesser of the 2 evils.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 09:22:25 PM
Same garbage for 4 years is better than a lose cannon maniac who MAY very well burn the place down..
Perhaps. I need to think about it still.
I have to imagine it will be a landslide, so it won't matter anyway.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on May 03, 2016, 09:22:35 PM
Cruz had such a soft target here, but he lost imho because he was so condescending or just unlikable


https://youtu.be/qqYbpIIwEDQ
I actually thought he did a very good job there
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 03, 2016, 09:23:49 PM
If I write in "Dan" will they know who I mean or do I need to add his last name "Deals"...?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on May 03, 2016, 09:25:29 PM
Wasn't really following,but was rush and hannity bashing Trump? Did they not see that he would probably be the nominee? What they gonna do now?
Hannity has been completely in the trump bandwagon pretty pathetic just shows his true colors that were too hidden to begin with. Limbaugh just treats everything like an amusing game
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Boruch999 on May 03, 2016, 09:30:26 PM
He lost me at the matzah factory.
Mickey Mouse 2016!

What's wrong with Vermin Supreme?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 03, 2016, 09:33:53 PM
Frankly I want no part in either, so I'll likely write in Mickey Mouse to voice my displeasure. Why should I feel guilty about the outcome that will happen from electing either?
Sad state of affairs.

If you already take the effort to go to the poll, why not write "In G-d we trust" rather than Mickey Mouse?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 03, 2016, 09:35:21 PM
as a resident of a swing state, you don't have the luxury of wasting your vote. You're gonna have to pick who you think is likelier the lesser of the 2 evils.

+1
You should probably ask your LOR!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 09:39:30 PM
+1
You should probably ask your LOR!

Rabbi Chaikin
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 03, 2016, 09:57:30 PM
Quote from: ExGingi on Today at 09:35:21 PM
+1
You should probably ask your LOR!

Quote from: Dan on Today at 09:13:33 PM
Rabbi Chaikin

Let us know the psak.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 03, 2016, 09:58:37 PM
Daily News front page tomorrow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chk7If5WsAE_BlT.jpg
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 03, 2016, 10:04:36 PM
Daily News front page tomorrow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chk7If5WsAE_BlT.jpg
Got me to laugh and cry simultaneously. So true, unfortunately.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Moshe123 on May 03, 2016, 10:05:31 PM
#ImWithHer
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Matovu on May 03, 2016, 10:56:05 PM
In all likelihood this will be the biggest electoral landslide since the 80s and the biggest D landslide since 1964. Trump doesn't have a shot, Clinton will draw from Ds, Is, and Rs.
+1million
#I'mWithHer
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on May 03, 2016, 10:59:33 PM
There are many third party's who can nominate a candidate before the election. If bloomberg had his head on right he should go for it.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 11:04:14 PM
#ImWithMickey
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Matovu on May 03, 2016, 11:09:33 PM
#ImWithMickey
I feel the pain of a brother being highjacked.
Trump has highjacked the GOP, let it burn down with him and blame him for the loss.
But at some point it's time to vote with saichel. Is Hillary really that bad ?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 03, 2016, 11:10:31 PM
Daily News front page tomorrow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chk7If5WsAE_BlT.jpg
When did they ever think the gop was a great party?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on May 03, 2016, 11:15:17 PM
From Twitter:

Kasich is now in fourth place in a 2 man race.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on May 03, 2016, 11:17:07 PM
Think I'm just gonna cancel my return ticket from Thailand. Better off staying there. This country is screwed.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 11:19:09 PM
Think I'm just gonna cancel my return ticket from Thailand. Better off staying there. This country is screwed.
Only 30K TG J/40K TG F via UA from BKK to SYD/MEL. Maybe they'll offer asylum.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 03, 2016, 11:19:56 PM
Think I'm just gonna cancel my return ticket from Thailand. Better off staying there. This country is screwed.
You'd rather get hit by Trump's nuke missiles...?!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on May 03, 2016, 11:21:19 PM
Only 30K TG J/40K TG F via UA from BKK to SYD/MEL. Maybe they'll offer asylum.
Alol. Maybe I'll just move back to Canada. Y'all are welcome.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on May 03, 2016, 11:22:17 PM
Silver lining if Trump wins is that maybe his wall will slow down Zika ;D.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2016, 11:22:37 PM
Alol. Maybe I'll just move back to Canada. Y'all are welcome.
Trudeau is better?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: CS91 on May 03, 2016, 11:24:08 PM
Trudeau is better?
At least he's a bit more predictable. And so far people don't think that he's been as bad as they thought he'd be (yes, I know, still super early).
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 03, 2016, 11:31:44 PM
Anyone here following @jaketurx on twitter? I though he was hilarious tonight.
Quote
Ted Cruz drops out, which leaves Carly Fiorina in search for a candidate to keep running with. #Indianaprimary
Quote
Dunno how your night is going but Carly Fiorina is spending hers helping Ted Cruz lay off his entire campaign staff.
Among others...
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 03, 2016, 11:45:02 PM
But at some point it's time to vote with saichel. Is Hillary really that bad ?

A lot really depends on which way the Senate goes.

The bottom line is that the biggest potential impact a president has is with SCOTUS nominations. With one currently empty seat (which might or might not stay vacant up to the election) and the Bader-Ginsburg likely to retire during the next president's term, we could be stuck with a left leaning Supreme Court for a long time. That scares me!!!

But then again, I live in NY, so I don't vote in the general election, as my vote doesn't count.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 12:20:24 AM

The bottom line is that the biggest potential impact a president has is with SCOTUS nominations. With one currently empty seat (which might or might not stay vacant up to the election) and the Bader-Ginsburg likely to retire during the next president's term, we could be stuck with a left leaning Supreme Court for a long time. That scares me!!!


+1000000000000000000


You guys are all crazy. What are you afraid of? That Trump will shoot off some nukes? With Hillary it will be Iran shooting nukes instead. Is that what you would prefer?



Same garbage for 4 years is better than a lose cannon maniac who MAY very well burn the place down..


A president is severely limited by what congress will agree to. Congress is also limited by what a president will agree to. Trump would be likely to go along with bills passed by a republican congress while Hillary would not. Republicans in congress would not just go along with everything Trump says the way Dems would with Hillary.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 12:21:44 AM
In all likelihood this will be the biggest electoral landslide since the 80s and the biggest D landslide since 1964. Trump doesn't have a shot, Clinton will draw from Ds, Is, and Rs.

I somehow remember similar things being said about the primaries.........
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on May 04, 2016, 12:30:15 AM
I somehow remember similar things being said about the primaries.........
+1.
He will win bigly.

Fyi - the internet says it's a word.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bigly
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on May 04, 2016, 12:31:18 AM


A president is severely limited by what congress will agree to. Congress is also limited by what a president will agree to. Trump would be likely to go along with bills passed by a republican congress while Hillary would not. Republicans in congress would not just go along with everything Trump says the way Dems would with Hillary.
Uhu, and all Obama's executive actions are attestation to this...  ::)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on May 04, 2016, 12:48:03 AM
Daily News front page tomorrow
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Chk7If5WsAE_BlT.jpg


Compare to:





(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChkeHp7WMAE9Bam.jpg:large)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 12:51:05 AM
Uhu, and all Obama's executive actions are attestation to this...  ::)
His executive actions for the last six years in aggregate are nothing compared to the legislation of the first 2 years.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 09:05:07 AM
James Taranto ‏@jamestaranto 10h10 hours ago

"Vote for the crook, it's important."

"OK, but which one?"
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 04, 2016, 09:29:11 AM

+1000000000000000000


You guys are all crazy. What are you afraid of? That Trump will shoot off some nukes? With Hillary it will be Iran shooting nukes instead. Is that what you would prefer?




A president is severely limited by what congress will agree to. Congress is also limited by what a president will agree to. Trump would be likely to go along with bills passed by a republican congress while Hillary would not. Republicans in congress would not just go along with everything Trump says the way Dems would with Hillary.
Trump can and will insult and demean many world leaders, countries and nations which can bring us to the brink of WW3.

I couldn't care too much about legislation, and the supreme Court is a lost cause anyway. - at the end of the day they follow the popular sentiment, and this entire country is leaning all the way left. eg - Target bathrooms etc.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 09:37:52 AM
Trump can and will insult and demean many world leaders, countries and nations which can bring us to the brink of WW3.
Naaaaaaa you have been influenced by the Dems.

I couldn't care too much about legislation, and the supreme Court is a lost cause anyway. - at the end of the day they follow the popular sentiment, and this entire country is leaning all the way left. eg - Target bathrooms etc.
If your primary concern is those type of things then you are a Trump voter and just don't know it.

Over this week a came up with the first semi-rational reason I was able to think of for why someone would vote for Trump. It has nothing to do with the establishment or anything of the sort. This country is being overrun by a cancer call political correctness. The PC police make people scared to say anything because it may offend someone. We have seen people destroyed simply due to a political opinion that some groups called discriminatory. People feel that Trump is the chemotherapy for this cancer. He may end up being a horrible president, but no one ever saidchemo is pleasant. His bad p[olicies can be reversed by future presidents but if we lost our freedom of expression we lost our country.

ETA: I personally would probably support Cruz, but I finally came up with some reason why someone would vote for Trump.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Shauly101 on May 04, 2016, 09:53:43 AM
as per the NYDN http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nydn-front-pages-2016-gallery-1.2482879?pmSlide=1.2624119

we need to change the Thread name as the GOP party died yesterday  :-[  ;D  >:(
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: grodnoking on May 04, 2016, 09:59:54 AM
BD"E
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: jungarmtl on May 04, 2016, 10:42:59 AM
I somehow remember similar things being said about the primaries.........
+100 you ,people don't get it how he knocked off 15 people and now he only has one to destroy, he is a expert on it just wait, 2 days ago came out a poll that he is already 2 points above Clinton and he is getting more support from the gop voters then a month ago vs clinton look how strong sanders is still 32% of yesterdays sanders voters said they won't vote in November for clinton.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: David Smith on May 04, 2016, 10:49:06 AM


Is Hillary really that bad ?

I like ¢linton. $he's easy to buy off.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: JTZ on May 04, 2016, 10:53:58 AM
+100 you ,people don't get it how he knocked off 15 people and now he only has one to destroy, he is a expert on it just wait, 2 days ago came out a poll that he is already 2 points above Clinton and he is getting more support from the gop voters then a month ago vs clinton look how strong sanders is still 32% of yesterdays sanders voters said they won't vote in November for clinton.
So you pick the one poll out of twenty that he is ahead in? How does that Kool-Aid taste?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: hachover on May 04, 2016, 11:06:45 AM
In all likelihood this will be the biggest electoral landslide since the 80s and the biggest D landslide since 1964. Trump doesn't have a shot, Clinton will draw from Ds, Is, and Rs.

I'm going to go on record disagreeing with you strongly on that  8)

Clinton may win (even probably), but it won't be a landslide.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 11:32:30 AM
Peggy Noonan writes the following: (http://patriotpost.us/opinion/36744)

Quote
His rise is not due to his supporters' anger at government. It is a gesture of contempt for government, for the men and women in Congress, the White House, the agencies. It is precisely because people have lost their awe for the presidency that they imagine Mr. Trump as a viable president. American political establishment, take note: In the past 20 years you have turned America into a nation a third of whose people would make Donald Trump their president. Look on your wonders and despair.

Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Super Speed on May 04, 2016, 11:51:55 AM
Kasich will suspend campaign today
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Baruch on May 04, 2016, 11:53:34 AM
Kasich will suspend campaign today
He convinced the whole America already that he's mentally ill. I guess he has nothing else to prove.  ::)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 12:16:44 PM
Kasich will suspend campaign today
What do you mean? His campaign has been suspended since OH as well as until OH?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Zkpncs48 on May 04, 2016, 12:27:42 PM
Kasich will suspend campaign today
And no one can figure out why
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Zkpncs48 on May 04, 2016, 12:28:31 PM
Kasich will suspend campaign today
And it is not even on google's top stories!
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: avremie on May 04, 2016, 01:00:34 PM
If you are truly #NeverTrump you might want to take a look at this guy http://austinpetersen2016.com/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2016, 01:29:32 PM
Invalid Tweet ID?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2016, 01:38:16 PM
An interesting take:

Quote
Mere anarchy is a fair description of the state of the Republican Party, at least amongst those who purport to be its falconers. Mimicking the vulgarity they decry in Trump, they employ every vile epithet to describe him and his followers. National Review’s Rich Lowry enthusedthat Carly Fiorina had “cut his balls off.” For Lowry’s colleague Kevin Williamson, Trump is a “witless ape … notjust an ass, but an ass of exceptionally intense asininity.” As for Trump’s followers, George Will calls them “invertebrates,” while John Hood describes them as “a motley crew of simpletons, bigots, and cynical manipulators.” In their hatred of Trump, they have come to resemble the man they despise.

As well as an interesting take on Trumpism in general.
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-vs-the-new-class/ (http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/trump-vs-the-new-class/)
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: elit on May 04, 2016, 10:21:29 PM
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/opinion/campaign-stops/the-defeat-of-true-conservatism.html?ref=opinion&_r=0&referer=http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2016, 10:03:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1137772632945931/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: aygart on May 05, 2016, 10:11:46 AM
https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1137772632945931/ (https://www.facebook.com/hillaryclinton/videos/1137772632945931/)

Well all of those statements worked just great to prevent him from getting the nomination didn't they...........

ETA:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/05/04/democrats-dont-know-how-to-run-against-trump/
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: good sam on May 05, 2016, 02:07:25 PM
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ilherman on May 05, 2016, 02:16:52 PM
WASHINGTON: Mitt Romney joins list of prominent Republicans that wont join GOP convention. RNC staffers were told to back Trump or leave org

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE GOP?

I mean, this joke was good while they were still dreaming to stop Trump. That ship has sailed. Now they have to focus on what they say they are. Conservatives. If Clinton becomes president the conservative movement may be dead FOREVER. Clinton will be the one in power with SCOTUS nominations. And THAT will be a disaster..  Whoever joins the above list should never in his life try to say that he is a real conservative.

It is over Mr Romney, your speech only helped Mr Trump.  Now at least try to protect your party. Put ego in the side please.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 05, 2016, 02:17:55 PM
WASHINGTON: Mitt Romney joins list of prominent Republicans that wont join GOP convention. RNC staffers were told to back Trump or leave org

WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE GOP?

I mean, this joke was good while they were still dreaming to stop Trump. That ship has sailed. Now they have to focus on what they say they are. Conservatives. If Clinton becomes president the conservative movement may be dead FOREVER. Clinton will be the one in power with SCOTUS nominations. And THAT will be a disaster..  Whoever joins the above list should never in his life try to say that he is a real conservative.

It is over Mr Romney, your speech only helped Mr Trump.  Now at least try to protect your party. Put ego in the side please.

#DismantleGOP

#StartGNP
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 05, 2016, 02:19:53 PM
Now if there ever was a reason not to vote for Trump in the General Election, this might be it: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278704-trump-interested-in-vetting-kasich-for-vp
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on May 05, 2016, 02:45:25 PM
Now if there ever was a reason not to vote for Trump in the General Election, this might be it: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/278704-trump-interested-in-vetting-kasich-for-vp
If Trump can't beat Hillary without Ohio, it would be the smart strategic move to make.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2016, 02:53:46 PM
If Trump can't beat Hillary without Ohio, it would be the smart strategic move to make.
OH would be better off having him come back to be governor :(
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 05, 2016, 03:17:47 PM
OH would be better off having him come back to be governor :(

So he can feed you lambs for Pesach?
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
So he can feed you lambs for Pesach?
Lamb posts.
Title: Re: GOP Master thread
Post by: ExGingi on May 05, 2016, 04:09:24 PM