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Title: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 15, 2011, 02:56:25 PM
March 5, 2011 (Motzei Shabbos)

Shabbos ended at 6:35pm. Rush to LAX at 6:55pm (arrived at the airport at 7:20pm) for our flight to LHR departing at 8:35pm. Make it to the airport and the lady at the FC check-in counter says “made it with only 15 minutes left to check in.” We were relieved we made it and then went to relax a bit in the OW Lounge. Not the most amazing lounge, but enough to relax our feet and then get to the plane once boarding had already commenced.

BA268 LAX-LHR. FC was full on this flight (and was still OF – which was very nice still even though it is getting old). Changed into our PJs and got ready to leave. We were seated in 5EF so we could dine together and speak softly while not having to get up and move around. The flight attendants were always nice and provided great service. The special meals we had ordered were delivered nicely on new china and silverware so it was as if we had the regular meals anyway. About 2 hrs into the flight we were finishing up our last course and getting ready to sleep. The FAs made our beds by putting on the mattress pad, laying out a nice duvet cover and putting a big pillow at the head of the seat. After sleeping a good 6-7 hrs we both awoke and watched a movie. After the movie we were served a hot breakfast and by the time we were done eating there was only 30 minutes to landing. Changed back into our clothes and prepared for an early arrival into LHR.

Arriving early and getting through Flight Connections mighty quickly, we had plenty of time to go up to the CCR for a little break. We sat on one of the outside couches overlooking T5B, got some drinks and relaxed for over an hour. Our next flight to CDG was departing from T5A so the walking time to get there was only 5 minutes.

BA318 LHR-CDG. Flight was only 45 minutes but we received a hot meal service that was quite good. This was my first experience in BA’s CE cabin and I was very disappointed. It is a shame that these are the standard J class seating in intra-European travel. No matter, it was so short it didn’t really make too much of a difference.

Arrival into CDG was smooth getting through passport control and getting our bags. Within 10 minutes we were outside the terminal waiting for the Roissy Bus to take us to Opera in the center of Paris (great value at only 9.40 euro).

Walk from Opera to the Westin Paris-Vendome takes about 10-15 minutes, but really isn’t that bad. Check-in at the Westin was painless and we were given our Jr. Suite on the 4th floor immediately. The check-in desk was very nice and before we even finished checking in (and before asking) asked if we were going to need the late check out that comes with SPG Gold. I declined since our flight home was a morning flight. We spent 8 nights at the hotel and got great use of the large room we had. The only downside of the room is that the room type we booked is not available we a view of the Tuileries Gardens and the Eiffel Tower (only the smaller rooms or perhaps some of the larger suites have that).

March 6-13, 2011
Our week in Paris was fantastic. We did so much it is amazing it was only a week long. Some of the things we did were the following:
•   Louvre Museum (guided tour in English)
•   Musee D’Orsay (self guided audio tour)
•   Musee Rodin (self guided book tour)
•   Versailles (self guided audio tour)
•   Le Marais Walk (self guided book tour)
•   Montmartre Walk (self guided book tour)
•   Rue Cler Walk (self guided book tour)
•   Opera Garnier (guided tour in English)
•   Baccarat Museum (tiny, but cool)
•   Champs Elysees Walk (self guided book tour)
•   L’Orangerie (self guided book tour)
•   Ile de la Cite (Notre Dame and Deportation Memorial) and Ile St. Louis (Berthillon sorbets)
•   Arc de Triomphe
•   Eiffel Tower
•   Seine River Boat Tour (Bateaux Mouches)

Shabbos in Paris

Shabbos was really great. We were able to get a meal with a young family who live in the 16th arrondisement for Friday night dinner. This is a pretty high end residential area where the Jewish community has been moving into over the last 5-10 years. It was a really nice experience and the people we had dinner with were fantastic. The walk back to the hotel was a little far, but totally worth the extra time considering the company and experience we had being with people from the community. The next morning we went over to the Great Synagogue in the 9th. It is an old beautiful shul reminiscent of many of the old shuls in Europe (like the one in Rome). It is intricately detailed and has many colors and stained glass throughout the building. There is also a large pipe organ on the back balcony. Apparently the shul is a popular place for Jews in Paris to get married. (Unfortunately there is no tour available and the only time to see the main shul is Shabbos morning) After shul we made our way over to the Chabad of Champs Elysees for lunch (apparently there were other places closer to make reservations that we were unable to reserve). No matter we met a few other nice travelers at Chabad and enjoyed a pleasant meal. After lunch we went back to the hotel to rest, then back to the Great Synagogue for minha/maariv and havdala.

March 14, 2011

Got an early start to head back to LAX via LHR again. Walked back to the Roissy Bus at Opera and got to CDG with plenty of time to spare. Perhaps the most unique thing about CDG (beside for it perhaps being the weirdest designed airport I’ve been to) is that because we were flying CE/F they had an escort take us through the security line up through the metal detectors (would have been nicer had there been a long line, but it was quite short, so didn’t make much difference). Got through security and settled in the Admirals Club lounge for about 45 minutes to have breakfast and coffee before boarding the plane.

BA307 CDG-LHR. Although a very short flight we were on a B767 for this flight. Seated in the first row of CE we had plenty of space in front of us. Considering our flight was in the mid-morning it was weird that they served us a meat meal for our short flight. No matter, we had already eaten breakfast and were preparing for our next meal in the CCR. Flight only took 45 minutes again but we were delayed coming in because of circling near LHR. Flight connections was pretty quick again (although north security was pretty long, even for fast track).

T5 Layover. Arrived into CCR ready for our 1.5 hrs in the cabana we had pre-booked. Before we walked there however we went over to Elemis to book some facials for after lunch. Assigned Cabana 1 we were escorted in and I took a shower (even with the nasty drain noise). Relaxed for a while and watched some TV while we were whiling away the time. After a very nice rest we walked over to the dining room to get our lunch. We had ordered a special meal request to be served in the CCR and had made sure it would be hot at 1pm. We were seated in a booth and the server informed us only one meal had been recorded as being ordered. But seeing that they had made a mistake she did note that there was a breakfast meal that was available if we would like. So I took the meat lunch meal and my wife had the breakfast. My meal was a delicious beef casserole with some good breads and veggies on the side.

After our meal we went over the Elemis to get the facials we had booked earlier. We each thoroughly enjoyed the 15 minute treatments we got. Even though we got facials, they put you in massage chairs that are doing a full back and neck regimen while the therapist takes care of your facial. Refreshing and relaxing I almost forgot I still had an 11 hour flight ahead of me.

After the facials we went downstairs to pick up a couple things at duty free and head over to T5B where our gate had been announced. Got over the Galleries Lounge in T5B which was also very nice. Got some last minute snacks and drinks and then boarding was already commenced.

BA269 LHR-LAX. Got on the plane (and again OF) and escorted by the CSD to our seats. This time we were in 2AK. I really enjoyed these seats. Aside from the fact that we were seated with a huge aisle between us, the size of the area and the windows were great (as opposed to the center sectioned 5EF). Seat 1K was occupied by Barry Manilow who had been in London for an awards show the night before (thanks Wikipedia for that tidbit). Changed into PJs and were ready to go. Departure was delayed a bit because some passengers never showed up so their luggage had to be removed. After the slight hiccup we were in line to take-off.

After take-off the fantastic crew asked us when we wanted to dine and began preparing the meal service. My wife and I each did some reading and the time started to fly by. At meal time we chose to dine together for our late lunch/early dinner meal. Again our special meal was prepared exquisitely on new china and silverware and was 4 courses-fish starter followed by salad, main course of stuffed chicken breast and a dessert of chocolate mousse and cake. All paired with some good single-malt scotch.

Following our meal we both got our beds made and watched a movie followed by some sleep. Since it was a day flight I wasn’t able to sleep as much as our flight LAX-LHR, but was nonetheless restful. After waking up I started another movie and meal time was almost upon us again. After my wife awoke we chose to dine together again for our “light meal” – some tea sandwiches, scones and other pastries. Another great meal and service.

After the meal we only had about 40 minutes left to landing. Started to brush my teeth, finish up some last minute reading and then changed back to my clothes in preparation for landing. Although border patrol took forever at LAX last night, our bags were ready to go by the time we got to them and then got through customs pretty quick.

All in all it was a great trip and we had some really fantastic experiences. Sorry the TR doesn’t include huge details on activities in Paris, but I figured that was more self explanatory (and not necessarily quite as important to those on this forum) as the flights and hotel experience.


Food in Paris

There are way too many places in Paris to even count. We went to a bunch and enjoyed some more than others. Here is a list of the places we went to:

•   Il Palazzo (dairy)
•   L’as du Falafel (meat)
•   Pitzman Essen Bench (dairy)
•   Korcarz bakery (parve/dairy)
•   Micky’s Deli (meat)
•   Kavod (meat)
•   Darjeeling (meat)
•   Le Chateaubriand (meat)
•   Inte Caffe (dairy)

Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Avid Reader on March 15, 2011, 03:34:24 PM
Nice report!

Did you ask for the junior suite in advance or only at the hotel? Is it common to get this with SPG gold?
Care to share how many miles/points this trip cost you?
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2011, 03:42:57 PM
Great trip report.
Now let us know more about how each activity was and how the restaurants were!

And next time stay in Paris don't miss the Park Hyatt, by far the highlight of any trip to Paris IMHO.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 15, 2011, 03:43:57 PM
Nice report!

Did you ask for the junior suite in advance or only at the hotel? Is it common to get this with SPG gold?
Care to share how many miles/points this trip cost you?

I booked the suite in advance using points. It was 22,500/night (a very worthwhile rate considering the standard room is 20,000 points and this is almost double the size). We had 8 nights straight in the room so the 5th night was free (5for4 nights redemption).

The flights were not the best use of our AA miles but we did it because of a number of other reasons that we are changing our plans for a summer trip so this was the only trip we could really take for the time being. It was 125,000/pp RT plus all the crazy taxes/fees on BA. Even with all that I am happy we chose BA over AA as the service and quality of seat, etc. is far superior than AA (esp. if required to take the 757 TATL).

Also, I forgot to put this in my TR, but we used Rick Steves' Paris 2011 tourbook and thought it was really amazing. Even without the book you can go to his website or iTunes podcast page and download many self guided tours from there. Probably 75% of the stuff we did and learned about came from that tour book.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 15, 2011, 03:46:50 PM
Great trip report.
Now let us know more about how each activity was and how the restaurants were!

And next time stay in Paris don't miss the Park Hyatt, by far the highlight of any trip to Paris IMHO.

I will try to update with the activities and food reviews later. This report already took my whole morning pretty much. Since I was approved and spent on the Hyatt card I could have switched for 2 nights to the PH actually, but we decided it wasn't worth the schlep and packing/unpacking again. Gd willing we will be in Hawaii in winter time and use our free nights then.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2011, 03:51:12 PM
I will try to update with the activities and food reviews later. This report already took my whole morning pretty much. Since I was approved and spent on the Hyatt card I could have switched for 2 nights to the PH actually, but we decided it wasn't worth the schlep and packing/unpacking again. Gd willing we will be in Hawaii in winter time and use our free nights then.
GH Kauai, and PH Paris are both excellent hotels.  But they are are polar opposite experiences.

How much were the BA taxes?
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: damaxer91 on March 15, 2011, 03:52:08 PM
Great Report LAXTraveler!

Gotta love the First Class flight followed by bus to the airport. Only on DD's!
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2011, 03:54:07 PM
Gotta love the First Class flight followed by bus to the airport. Only on DD's!
;D
Did the same myself!  Almost missed my return flight too because of it.

Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Bp on March 15, 2011, 04:24:16 PM
@laxtraveler. Thanks, great report!
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 15, 2011, 05:06:39 PM
;D
Did the same myself!  Almost missed my return flight too because of it.

We actually got there pretty quickly and had plenty of time to relax in the lounge because of it. Thanks for the idea to take it, Dan, it was really great.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: eliteflyer on March 15, 2011, 08:40:32 PM
Rodin; D' Orsay; Louvre: Seems like you guys really like art!
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 15, 2011, 11:27:27 PM
Rodin; D' Orsay; Louvre: Seems like you guys really like art!

Ya, we do like art. And we also like to see some of the most famous pieces of art (even if we didn't like it that much). But yes, we do like art and really wanted to see the amazing pieces that are nowhere else in the world.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Ergel on March 15, 2011, 11:41:23 PM
Do you have any info about kohanim going into the louvre? Do they any mummies or other dead bodies?
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 15, 2011, 11:52:39 PM
Do you have any info about kohanim going into the louvre? Do they any mummies or other dead bodies?

I have no idea. I am not a kohen so I have never had to deal with such issues. Sorry I can't be of more help. Maybe a look around their website can help you figure it out.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Avid Reader on March 16, 2011, 10:42:10 PM
Do you have any info about kohanim going into the louvre? Do they any mummies or other dead bodies?

Looks like they do:
http://www.louvre.fr/llv/oeuvres/detail_notice.jsp?CONTENT%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226065&CURRENT_LLV_NOTICE%3C%3Ecnt_id=10134198673226065&FOLDER%3C%3Efolder_id=9852723696500776&bmLocale=en
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Ergel on March 16, 2011, 11:08:36 PM
Thanks for the info. That's a real bummer but I figured as much. Was really hoping to see the Mona Lisa.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Avid Reader on March 16, 2011, 11:10:46 PM
I know there are rabbonim who give heteirim for Kohanim.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Ergel on March 16, 2011, 11:15:41 PM
I know but I don't subscribe to those opinions... There is an interesting RJJ article about it. They come out l'chumra. I think the biggest issue being sof tumah latzeis. The crc in Chicago actually has a guide online as to which museums kohanim can go to in the Chicago area. Very helpful
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Avid Reader on March 16, 2011, 11:21:56 PM
There is an interesting RJJ article about it. They come out l'chumra. I think the biggest issue being sof tumah latzeis.

Where can I see this? Do you have a copy?
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 16, 2011, 11:35:35 PM
Thanks for the info. That's a real bummer but I figured as much. Was really hoping to see the Mona Lisa.
You're not missing anything.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Ergel on March 16, 2011, 11:45:23 PM
If you pm me your email address I can try and email it to you tomorrow
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 17, 2011, 08:50:48 AM
You're not missing anything.

As much as it is small, etc. I do think it is a very worthwhile painting to see. It did change the way art was viewed and how/who can be portrayed in art for all time after its creation. A pretty impressive feat IMHO.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Avid Reader on March 17, 2011, 10:02:46 AM
If you pm me your email address I can try and email it to you tomorrow
Sent.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2011, 10:25:03 AM
As much as it is small, etc. I do think it is a very worthwhile painting to see. It did change the way art was viewed and how/who can be portrayed in art for all time after its creation. A pretty impressive feat IMHO.
Allow me to rephrase.
Unless you have a serious understanding of art you're not missing anything.  No reason a kohen to get a heter just for that unless they are really passionate about art.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 17, 2011, 11:17:17 AM
Food in Paris

There are way too many places in Paris to even count. We went to a bunch and enjoyed some more than others. Here is a list of the places we went to:

•   Il Palazzo (dairy)
•   L’as du Falafel (meat)
•   Pitzman Essen Bench (dairy)
•   Korcarz bakery (parve/dairy)
•   Micky’s Deli (meat)
•   Kavod (meat)
•   Darjeeling (meat)
•   Le Chateaubriand (meat)
•   Inte Caffe (dairy)

Reviews:

Il Palazzo (Beis din): Pretty good food. Nothing out of this world, but better pizza than a lot of places I have been to before. We got the mozarella marinara which was good and some different types of vegetable pizzas.

L'as du Falafel (Beis din): Excellent falafel. We had some of the best falafel ever here. There is a reason that the queue for this place is always crazy. It is right in the middle of Le Marais' old central street, Rue de Rosiers. Good food with some fun guys outside telling people to come on in or get in line outside for a delicious meal.

Pitzman (Rottenberg): Might be the best pizza I have had in my life. The only place we went to twice on our trip because it was so good. Tried the Bruschetta as a starter once in addition to the 4 cheese pizza and some other delicacies. Fantastic. Could not be more highly recommended.

Korcarz (Rottenberg): Great place to pick up some pastries and other snack foods for your day trip to Versailles (a must in my opinion). We got some pizza, rugalach and other goodies to take with us (yes, we ate the pizza cold). We also had an early dinner there one night because we were so tired and my wife thought the spinach lasagna was amazing.

Micky's Deli (Rottenberg): Burgers were pretty decent. If on a shorter trip not a necessary stop as you can get a burger anywhere in the US that is better probably. The nice thing is they make them "Tunisian style" meaning they put a sunny-side-up egg on top of the patty which is excellent. I got the spicy burger and really enjoyed it.

Kavod (Beis din): Since we would only eat glatt meat this place had very limited options for us. I got a steak (the rib-eye was glatt, but nothing else was) and my wife had a salad. Neither of us were very impressed with our food (especially for the amount it cost us). The worst part about this place was how sick I got after. That night I was up all night nauseous and finally in the morning my entire meal came out. Let's just say it was not a pleasant experience. Would not recommend.

Darjeeling (Rottenberg): Our favorite place to eat on this trip. We went here and were so happy with everything we ordered. We had some of the delicious Indian tandoori bread (kind of like laffa) with the dips that were excellent. My wife got a curry/spices noodle and chicken dish that she thought was out of this world. I got the tandoori mixed grill (lamb, beef, chicken) and ate every single scrap of food off the dish it was served on. We wanted to go back on our last night there but we couldn't get a reservation until 11:30pm and that was just way beyond what our stomachs would allow. The only caution I have with this place is that they didn't seem so interested in us both when we called or when being served. Not quite sure why, but even so, definitely worth going to.

Le Chateaubriand (Beis din): I had been told about this place from a friend of mine who had been to Paris. When he went he was told by someone living in Paris that although the place was Beis din their meat was glatt (or at least some of it was). When we decided to go here for our final meal in Paris I called in advance and spoke to the owner who said all the meats they had were glatt. Jubilated I made a reservation and we went. It was a delicious and truly French meal experience. We started with foie gras (goose liver) that was amazing and came warm with mushrooms and put it on some of the fresh bread (YUM!). I ordered myself some tasty French wine and polished off the entire "mini-bottle". For our mains my wife had a veal chop which was really good (although a little fatty) and I got a duck breast dish that was out of this world. Both came with a side of fresh mashed potatoes and veggies. The presentation and flavor were both amazing. For dessert we had a warm apple pie that was really nothing special, but I couldn't eat that much by then anyway because I was so stuffed from everything else. Great place for a nice meal (but NOT CHEAP).

Inte Caffe (Beis din): Another amazing dairy place that was recommended to us by our hosts for Shabbos dinner. Not too far from the Champs Elysees and a great modern atmosphere. We had a good lunch here. We got the bruschetta to start. It came with 2 types (tomatoes and roasted peppers). Both were delicious and the bread it came on was very good as well. I ordered sea bass for my main that came with potatoes gratin (creme and melted cheese) that was so very good (I love fish). My wife ordered a pasta that she loved and polished off clean. We both came away from that meal full and extremely satisfied.

Hope these reviews help with people planning future trips.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2011, 12:02:23 PM
Thanks for the reviews!  Looking forward to your activity reviews!

Glad to hear you loved Pitzman.  I think every American that goes there thinks it's the best pizza ever, but for some reason non-Americans aren't as enamored with it.

I'm still bummed Darjeeling was closed when we went.  More reason to return though!  Maybe I'll use my 2 suite nights in the PH Paris.

Did you make it to any of the chocolatiers or bakeries in the 19th district?

As an American I still don't understand the kashrus situations in places like Paris and Israel.  Do people really trust non-glatt hechshers to say that the meat is glatt?  If all their meat is glatt then why don't they get a better hechsher?
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 17, 2011, 12:09:41 PM
Thanks for the reviews!  Looking forward to your activity reviews!

Glad to hear you loved Pitzman.  I think every American that goes there thinks it's the best pizza ever, but for some reason non-Americans aren't as enamored with it.

I'm still bummed Darjeeling was closed when we went.  More reason to return though!  Maybe I'll use my 2 suite nights in the PH Paris.

Did you make it to any of the chocolatiers or bakeries in the 19th district?

As an American I still don't understand the kashrus situations in places like Paris and Israel.  Do people really trust non-glatt hechshers to say that the meat is glatt?  If all their meat is glatt then why don't they get a better hechsher?

Never made it to the 19th as I heard there wasn't much there other than food and we were fine with all the options everywhere else.

Darjeeling is definitely a worthwhile reason to return!

There a number of items that could be an issue, but for me I generally trust the kashrus if there is a hekhsher that I know to be reliable to start. Since I am American I only eat glatt meat (and to be sure glatt does not apply to milchigs or chicken). Therefore, since I was in touch with people in Paris prior to my trip I made sure the beis din was reliable and then followed up with restaurants regarding the status of their meat. If someone is frum then they should have a hezkas kashrus on being believed (like going to a friend's house for a meal - they don't have a reliable hekhsher, they are the mashgiach). It is with these issues in mind that I speak to my rabbi and others from the community I am visiting to determine what to do.

In Israel there are specific issues between rabbanut and mehadrin (i.e., the number of chickens shekhted between random checks on the shkhita) that I have been informed about. Some make me more comfortable and others do not. I always make sure to speak with my rabbi before I eat out in Israel every visit.

EDIT: Also, I do not keep halav Yisrael so I don't have that issue with restaurants if they use non halav Yisrael products.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: me on March 17, 2011, 12:24:14 PM
Reviews:

Il Palazzo (Beis din): Pretty good food. Nothing out of this world, but better pizza than a lot of places I have been to before. We got the mozarella marinara which was good and some different types of vegetable pizzas.

L'as du Falafel (Beis din): Excellent falafel. We had some of the best falafel ever here. There is a reason that the queue for this place is always crazy. It is right in the middle of Le Marais' old central street, Rue de Rosiers. Good food with some fun guys outside telling people to come on in or get in line outside for a delicious meal.

Pitzman (Rottenberg): Might be the best pizza I have had in my life. The only place we went to twice on our trip because it was so good. Tried the Bruschetta as a starter once in addition to the 4 cheese pizza and some other delicacies. Fantastic. Could not be more highly recommended.

Korcarz (Rottenberg): Great place to pick up some pastries and other snack foods for your day trip to Versailles (a must in my opinion). We got some pizza, rugalach and other goodies to take with us (yes, we ate the pizza cold). We also had an early dinner there one night because we were so tired and my wife thought the spinach lasagna was amazing.

Micky's Deli (Rottenberg): Burgers were pretty decent. If on a shorter trip not a necessary stop as you can get a burger anywhere in the US that is better probably. The nice thing is they make them "Tunisian style" meaning they put a sunny-side-up egg on top of the patty which is excellent. I got the spicy burger and really enjoyed it.

Kavod (Beis din): Since we would only eat glatt meat this place had very limited options for us. I got a steak (the rib-eye was glatt, but nothing else was) and my wife had a salad. Neither of us were very impressed with our food (especially for the amount it cost us). The worst part about this place was how sick I got after. That night I was up all night nauseous and finally in the morning my entire meal came out. Let's just say it was not a pleasant experience. Would not recommend.

Darjeeling (Rottenberg): Our favorite place to eat on this trip. We went here and were so happy with everything we ordered. We had some of the delicious Indian tandoori bread (kind of like laffa) with the dips that were excellent. My wife got a curry/spices noodle and chicken dish that she thought was out of this world. I got the tandoori mixed grill (lamb, beef, chicken) and ate every single scrap of food off the dish it was served on. We wanted to go back on our last night there but we couldn't get a reservation until 11:30pm and that was just way beyond what our stomachs would allow. The only caution I have with this place is that they didn't seem so interested in us both when we called or when being served. Not quite sure why, but even so, definitely worth going to.

Le Chateaubriand (Beis din): I had been told about this place from a friend of mine who had been to Paris. When he went he was told by someone living in Paris that although the place was Beis din their meat was glatt (or at least some of it was). When we decided to go here for our final meal in Paris I called in advance and spoke to the owner who said all the meats they had were glatt. Jubilated I made a reservation and we went. It was a delicious and truly French meal experience. We started with foie gras (goose liver) that was amazing and came warm with mushrooms and put it on some of the fresh bread (YUM!). I ordered myself some tasty French wine and polished off the entire "mini-bottle". For our mains my wife had a veal chop which was really good (although a little fatty) and I got a duck breast dish that was out of this world. Both came with a side of fresh mashed potatoes and veggies. The presentation and flavor were both amazing. For dessert we had a warm apple pie that was really nothing special, but I couldn't eat that much by then anyway because I was so stuffed from everything else. Great place for a nice meal (but NOT CHEAP).

Inte Caffe (Beis din): Another amazing dairy place that was recommended to us by our hosts for Shabbos dinner. Not too far from the Champs Elysees and a great modern atmosphere. We had a good lunch here. We got the bruschetta to start. It came with 2 types (tomatoes and roasted peppers). Both were delicious and the bread it came on was very good as well. I ordered sea bass for my main that came with potatoes gratin (creme and melted cheese) that was so very good (I love fish). My wife ordered a pasta that she loved and polished off clean. We both came away from that meal full and extremely satisfied.

Hope these reviews help with people planning future trips.

AMAZING!! Now I have to go to Paris... (I'm such a Jew, I go on vacation where the food is good :o )
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: chuchem on March 17, 2011, 12:33:42 PM
Most "heimishe" people do not rely on beis din paris, even if they say the meat is glatt. Its just not a good hechsher... Do as you wish, I just wanted to post this in case people read this in the future.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: chuchem on March 17, 2011, 12:34:20 PM
Nice trip report
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 17, 2011, 12:38:56 PM
Most "heimishe" people do not rely on beis din paris, even if they say the meat is glatt. Its just not a good hechsher... Do as you wish, I just wanted to post this in case people read this in the future.

By no means am I telling people to eat beis din Paris. This is what I did according to my rabbi and the people I spoke to there. I am not a posek and do not advise anyone doing as I do unless they are comfortable and ask their posek first. I am just reviewing where we ate and saying we did it at beis din places (that's specifically why I listed the hekhshers in my reviews).
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Dan on March 17, 2011, 12:48:35 PM
Most "heimishe" people do not rely on beis din paris, even if they say the meat is glatt. Its just not a good hechsher... Do as you wish, I just wanted to post this in case people read this in the future.
What about for milchig restaurants?  I was told B.D. was good for that.
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: Mikeoracle on March 17, 2011, 01:11:35 PM
Great trip report.
The food reviews should not have been posted on a fast day! ;D
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on March 17, 2011, 01:13:46 PM
Great trip report.
The food reviews should not have been posted on a fast day! ;D

Hehe. Sorry about that!
Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on June 21, 2011, 03:29:23 AM
Finally getting around to posting pics... (it will be a slow process probably). BA F KSML (starter and salad)





Title: Re: LAXtraveler's Paris Trip Report 2011
Post by: LAXtraveler on June 21, 2011, 03:30:16 AM
BA F KSML: Main course and dessert