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Title: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Emkay on March 31, 2016, 06:42:06 AM
was just about to book it, what a pain in the AS(S)!
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/03/31/alaska-emirates-award-devaluation/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=One
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: SLMYRCB on March 31, 2016, 06:43:31 AM
was just about to book it, what a pain in the AS(S)!
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/03/31/alaska-emirates-award-devaluation/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=One
Oh Noooooo!

I had my eyes on that one
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Hershelsdeals on March 31, 2016, 07:18:43 AM
Horrible
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 07:28:08 AM
I have HKG-DXB-JFK in my cart literally just waiting on the points to post.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Hershelsdeals on March 31, 2016, 08:11:47 AM
Let @AlaskaAir know how we feel.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 08:45:26 AM
Holy moly.

I feel like I just got dumped.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
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Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: chucksterace on March 31, 2016, 08:59:07 AM
Um.. Only one word.

WOW
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 09:21:58 AM
Anyone know if this is true or just them laying the blame on others?

Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 09:23:40 AM
Emirates probably raised their redemption costs. Whether that was overnight, we'll probably never know
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on March 31, 2016, 09:39:15 AM
This hit me worse than the AA deval.  Jeez..

ETA:  It doesn't look like their Twitter reps even realize what happened.

ETA2:  Andre is sharing a lot of concerns.. https://twitter.com/AlaskaAir/with_replies
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: lubaby on March 31, 2016, 09:42:03 AM
This hit me worse than the AA deval.  Jeez..
This hit everybody worse. AA announced the devaluation many months in advance, so everybody had more then enough time to book whatever they needed.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 09:45:01 AM
Emirates probably raised their redemption costs. Whether that was overnight, we'll probably never know

+1. Easy for Emirates to do this since it's not part of an alliance. I wonder if it was specific to AS or across the board...
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on March 31, 2016, 09:45:30 AM
This hit everybody worse. AA announced the devaluation many months in advance, so everybody had more then enough time to book whatever they needed.

But this is only on one partner.  Plenty of other great AS redemption options.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 31, 2016, 09:46:17 AM
Poor Andre
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on March 31, 2016, 09:47:03 AM
Anyone know if this is true or just them laying the blame on others?

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I have a guy in Alaska airline and he confirmed it has nothing to do with them!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 09:51:28 AM
But this is only on one partner.  Plenty of other great AS redemption options.

They set the precedent that they are willing to massively devalue without notice. The timeline for the CX devaluation has started...
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Hershelsdeals on March 31, 2016, 09:53:12 AM
I have a guy in Alaska airline and he confirmed it has nothing to do with them!
Them as in?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 09:56:42 AM
I do understand why they aren't announcing it ahead of time. If the goal is to slash EK F redemptions, they would not be doing themselves a favor giving people 2 months to basically book every EK F flight out there.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dr Moose on March 31, 2016, 09:57:58 AM
Anyone know if this is true or just them laying the blame on others?

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Why would EK care how many miles are used? They're being reimbursed at a set rate, not per mile that you redeemed using AS miles. 
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 09:59:06 AM
I do understand why they aren't announcing it ahead of time. If the goal is to slash EK F redemptions, they would not be doing themselves a favor giving people 2 months to basically book every EK F flight out there.

+1, IMO they don't care about a PR backlash from churners. Had it been a program-wide devaluation that would have significantly impacted loyalists as well, IMO they'd care more about giving notice.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 09:59:21 AM
What's the current status of YQ when using KE or JL miles for EK?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Emkay on March 31, 2016, 09:59:38 AM
I have a guy in Alaska airline and he confirmed it has nothing to do with them!
And what is his position in AS? Phone Rep?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 10:00:20 AM
And what is his position in AS? Phone Rep?
Yvette  ;D
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:00:36 AM
I do understand why they aren't announcing it ahead of time. If the goal is to slash EK F redemptions, they would not be doing themselves a favor giving people 2 months to basically book every EK F flight out there.
... Except that the pennies they save devaluing without notice pales in comparison the value lost as a result of pissing off some of your most valuable flyers, not to mention the thousands of people who bought miles over the last few days in order to redeem for EK F.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:00:39 AM
Why would EK care how many miles are used? They're being reimbursed at a set rate, not per mile that you redeemed using AS miles.

They obviously don't care. They may have increased the costs, though. I'm wondering if AS's contract with EK is an April - March contract. That would make sense since IIRC there were availability issues w/ AS around this time last year...
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:01:31 AM
Why would EK care how many miles are used? They're being reimbursed at a set rate, not per mile that you redeemed using AS miles.
No, that's how you *assume* their contract works.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:02:02 AM
What's the current status of YQ when using KE or JL miles for EK?
No YQ for ex USA for JL.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:03:17 AM
Guess it's gonna be a bit tougher to snag that "railway car" esque first class seat now.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:04:49 AM
What's the current status of YQ when using KE or JL miles for EK?

No YQ for ex USA for JL.

Uh oh, I'm smelling a DDMS post :(. At least JL are harder to accrue.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on March 31, 2016, 10:06:13 AM
Reports that they're not allowing any changes to existing ressies either.  Shame, because I have JFK-MXB-DXB-DOH booked and I was waiting for availability on the JFK-DXB direct leg.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 10:06:44 AM
What's the current status of YQ when using KE or JL miles for EK?

JAL doesn’t impose fuel surcharges for Emirates awards originating in the US.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 10:07:52 AM
And KE doesn't either, correct?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:08:45 AM
... As if someone booked EK with KE miles. Lol.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:11:19 AM
... Except that the pennies they save devaluing without notice pales in comparison the value lost as a result of pissing off some of your most valuable flyers, not to mention the thousands of people who bought miles over the last few days in order to redeem for EK F.

If it were a systemwide devaluation without notice, I'd agree with you, but I don't think this targeted their most valuable flyers. I think it targeted churners.

IMO your last point is a good one. I think people will think twice before purchasing AS miles in the future. AS should offer these people a refund option, but the chances of that happening are slim to none. I honestly think this may have been an oversight by AS.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:12:26 AM
... As if someone booked EK with KE miles. Lol.

Possibly for their award holds (assuming they allow on EK flights).
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:13:03 AM
No.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:15:17 AM
If it were a systemwide devaluation without notice, I'd agree with you, but I don't think this targeted their most valuable flyers. I think it targeted churners.

IMO your last point is a good one. I think people will think twice before purchasing AS miles in the future. AS should offer these people a refund option, but the chances of that happening are slim to none. I honestly think this may have been an oversight by AS.

Just because it wasn't a *system wide* devaluation doesn't mean it wasn't a punch in the stomach to people who fly AS 100K+ per year BIS. I fail to see the correlation or on what basis you have to conclude that those people weren't also saving up to fly EK F. Instead of one year if flying, it now takes two.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:20:09 AM
Just because it wasn't a *system wide* devaluation doesn't mean it wasn't a punch in the stomach to people who fly AS 100K+ per year BIS. I fail to see the correlation or on what basis you have to conclude that those people weren't also saving up to fly EK F. Instead of one year if flying, it now takes two.

Obviously it'll be a punch in those people's stomachs as well, but I don't think that many of them were saving up to fly EK F compared to how many of the churners were saving up for that redemption. I flew 75k last year on (credited to) AS, and this impacts me significantly, but I think many heavy business travelers are unaware of the EK redemption option altogether. I think removing AA or DL as a redemption partner without notice would impact the typical business traveler more significantly, while that would have less of an impact on us.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
Wait, you're suggesting it will impact the BIS flyers *less?*

So I earned 1MM+ AS miles in about a half hour in 2015, and they earned 100K in about a year,  and now they'll have fly for *another year*, and it impacts them less?

Just because there are fewer MVPs than churners doesn't mean the effects are less. In point of fact, they are more, as that's where the actual business comes from. (Not to mention even pissing off churners and mileage buyers affects the bottom line as well.)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 10:26:31 AM
Until CX devalues, people will still churn and buy miles in the AS program as there is still tremendous value to be had and the best way to Asia2 for now.

But I have a strange feeling that that will change soon..
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:27:35 AM
Until CX devalues, people will still churn and buy miles in the AS program as there is still tremendous value to be had and the best way to Asia2 for now.

But I have a strange feeling that that will change soon..
Uhm, as of today, you'd have to be a blithering idiot to spend thousands on AS miles without being able to ticket while on the same phone call.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:35:02 AM
Wait, you're suggesting it will impact the BIS flyers *less?*

So I earned 1MM+ AS miles in about a half hour in 2015, and they earned 100K in about a year,  and now they'll have fly for *another year*, and it impacts them less?

Just because there are fewer MVPs than churners doesn't mean the effects are less. In point of fact, they are more, as that's where the actual business comes from. (Not to mention even pissing off churners and mileage buyers affects the bottom line as well.)

Again, it'll impact those that are saving for this particular redemption the same, but I don't think as many of them (both in # and %) are saving for this particular redemption.

Re: Bottom line impact - You're assuming this particular type of redemption at the old rates was profitable for AS from churners and mileage buyers. I'm not convinced it was, especially from churners. And, if you really want to talk about bottom line impact, AS can recognize the expected decrease to their mileage liability as income almost immediately, and doesn't need to do much work to justify what they select as the expected impact caused by alienating members (which I would hope they explicitly incorporate in their projection model).

I agree with your point about how this can alienate mileage buyers, but frankly I'm not convinced AS cares about alienating churners.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 10:49:14 AM
Uhm, as of today, you'd have to be a blithering idiot to spend thousands on AS miles without being able to ticket while on the same phone call.

True, no notice is not fun.

I was merely commenting on churners still seeing value in going for AS cards. For that TU pull I am happy taking on that risk (even if it just came to bite me a bit).
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:49:35 AM
Again, it'll impact those that are saving for this particular redemption the same, but I don't think as many of them (both in # and %) are saving for this particular redemption.

Re: Bottom line impact - You're assuming this particular type of redemption at the old rates was profitable for AS from churners and mileage buyers. I'm not convinced it was, especially from churners. And, if you really want to talk about bottom line impact, AS can recognize the expected decrease to their mileage liability as income almost immediately, and doesn't need to do much work to justify what they select as the expected impact caused by alienating members (which I would hope they explicitly incorporate in their projection model).

I agree with your point about how this can alienate mileage buyers, but frankly I'm not convinced AS cares about alienating churners.

You accountants/consultants/advisors love to quantify things, but I'm afraid the backlash to a no-notice devaluation, system wide or not, to one of the-if not the--most aspirational awards on your chart can't be quantified at this point. While theoretically possible to insulate the MVPs from the deval, that's not what AS chose to do, and are, in effect, throwing out the baby with the bathwater--regardless of whether they can "recognize the expected decrease to their mileage liability as income almost immediately."

The point is, devaluations are something that, given the climate, are required by economics.  However, programs can go a long way to avoid pissing off their MVPs by giving notice ahead of time.  Not to mention the possible legal questions posed by what appears to be a rudimentary bait and switch for those who purchased miles.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on March 31, 2016, 10:55:41 AM
And what is his position in AS? Phone Rep?
good joke!>:( About a year ago I met him while Vacationing in Hawaii, and we exchanged email's he happens so to be Jewish so I've send him matzos, menorah, asrog and lulav etc. I don't know his position but its enough high that he was able to help me a lot!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:59:21 AM
good joke!>:( About a year ago I met him while Vacationing in Hawaii, and we exchanged email's he happens so to be Jewish so I've send him matzos, menorah, asrog and lulav etc. I don't know his position but its enough high that he was able to help me a lot!

Nicely done. Care to show how?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 11:07:57 AM
Ask him why there was no warning.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 31, 2016, 11:08:26 AM
And KE doesn't either, correct?
KE does
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 11:08:57 AM
You accountants/consultants/advisors love to quantify things, but I'm afraid the backlash to a no-notice devaluation, system wide or not, to one of the-if not the--most aspirational awards on your chart can't be quantified at this point. While theoretically possible to insulate the MVPs from the deval, that's not what AS chose to do, and are, in effect, throwing out the baby with the bathwater--regardless of whether they can "recognize the expected decrease to their mileage liability as income almost immediately."

That's exactly my point. Since it's difficult to quantify (albeit not impossible to estimate, as you suggest), I wouldn't be surprised if AS is using the lowest negative impact they can justify in their models. And, I'd hope they would have conducted this analysis before deciding on the devaluation, so they'd know exactly what that impact would be before deciding to devalue. Meaning, from a bottom line perspective, this change will likely have an immediate positive benefit, followed by an unknown future impact (that AS probably believes will be positive).

And again, this may be "one of the-if not the--most aspirational awards on [their] chart" for us, but I'm not sure the typical business traveler has the same aspirations as we do. AS should have the data to project how many frequent flyers (vs. frequent churners) would be impacted, and I would hope they made a decision based on that data. If, for example, 50% of churner redemptions is for EK F but <5% of MVP (through flight) redemptions is for EK F, the no-notice might not cause as much negative backlash.

IMO the bigger issue here that would impact the entire program is the precedent of a no-notice devaluation. AS may be banking on flying below the radar and hoping their most profitable customers don't realize what they did. I'm not sure whether this will work.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 11:20:17 AM
KE does
ExUSA?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: eliteflyer on March 31, 2016, 11:34:45 AM
With these devals, I'm rushing to get the over-seas travel bug out of my system and focus more on the other trips I've been putting off that are much closer to home, such as our National Parks (that, frankly, I enjoy more than than many of the foreign countries we book these aspirational awards to).
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 11:39:40 AM
With these devals, I'm rushing to get the over-seas travel bug out of my system and focus more on the other trips I've been putting off that are much closer to home, such as our National Parks (that, frankly, I enjoy more than than many of the foreign countries we book these aspirational awards to).

Yup. As I've said in other places, the worth of my AS stash got halved overnight without notice. Stuff like this makes me want to just hang it up and call it a day.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Emkay on March 31, 2016, 11:44:05 AM


Stuff like this makes me want to just hang it up and call it a day.
Sounds like you have the backbone of a jellyfish. 
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on March 31, 2016, 11:52:43 AM
I have a guy in Alaska airline and he confirmed it has nothing to do with them!
What a bunch of BS. They set their own rules nothing to do with EK.

Its bizarre how they think they could just lie to their members.

I mean how come JL did not change?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Hershelsdeals on March 31, 2016, 12:15:08 PM
What a bunch of BS. They set their own rules nothing to do with EK.

Its bizarre how they think they could just lie to their members.

I mean how come JL did not change?
Perhaps the JL contract with EK isn't up yet.

(Perhaps)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on March 31, 2016, 12:22:09 PM
Ask him why there was no warning.
he said he understands our frustration (at least this!) And says that they've  had huge backlash, but EK let them out cold without earlier notice and as a side note he points out to me that they would never do such a dumb move if was up to them it's really not good for There customer satisfaction!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 12:24:00 PM
Perhaps the JL contract with EK isn't up yet.

(Perhaps)

There may be some truth to this. I  believe EK has a 4/1 contract w AS. I'd be surprised though if AS had no notice of this change, though.

I'd be curious to know what specifically EK changed.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 12:37:26 PM
Sounds like you have the backbone of a jellyfish. 

Not really, it's simply taking stock of both the "game" and my life.

There's no question it will continue getting harder and harder.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: eliteflyer on March 31, 2016, 12:40:33 PM
Assuming this is somehow coming from EK (even if just an increase in the charge imposed to partners for award redemptions), could it be related to the general belt-tightening going on in Dubai and the middle east now with plummeting oil prices? (which this: http://www.arabianbusiness.com/dubai-set-bring-in-9-50-airport-passenger-fee-626743.html  may be a symptom of)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on March 31, 2016, 12:53:55 PM
Take with a mountain of salt, but this could explain it. A comment someone made on Lucky's post.

Quote
I have seen AS’s agreement with CX and DL. Their agreements do say that the partner airline, NOT Alaska, determines the number of miles required for redemption. Their contracts are NOT the usual alliance partner contracts that fixes a per flown mile reimbursement rate. That’s why they have a different award chart for each partner and you can’t mix them. That’s also why DL awards costs the same for OW and RT travel.

Partner airlines having some control over other’s program is also not unique in the AS program. For example BA’s partners, AS included, charges YQ on all BA awards. This is mandated by BA to make sure their own program doesn’t become uncompetitive for award travel on their own flights. Same reason why DL charges YQ on ex-Europe awards on AF/KL.

I have not seen the EK agreement but there is a possibility that the twitter claim is true.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on March 31, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
ExUSA?
Nearly positive
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 01:13:04 PM
Take with a mountain of salt, but this could explain it. A comment someone made on Lucky's post.

Makes sense to me.

No, that's how you *assume* their contract works.

Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yesitsme83 on March 31, 2016, 02:22:55 PM
... Except that the pennies they save devaluing without notice pales in comparison the value lost as a result of pissing off some of your most valuable flyers, not to mention the thousands of people who bought miles over the last few days in order to redeem for EK F.
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?
I'm not sure you realize how hollow it sounds when people racking up miles from cards and spending them to book $25,000 suites in the air complain about how the airlines are disregarding their "valuable customers"?  They do have valuable customers, such as frequent cash paying business travelers, but people "outsmarting the system" by racking up cc miles aren't them.

What they just did affects a tiny minority of their customer base. Most people don't know or care about miles, the ones that do are mostly not aiming that high (as in "I just NEED that first class residence!"), and the ones that are aiming that high are playing shtick and don't bring in a blessed dime to their bottom line.

And don't start arguing with me trying to explain how Alaska WANTS you to do this, and they make LOTS of profit off people like you, because both common sense and the facts say otherwise. If they were making such a killing on people doing this they wouldn't suddenly rack up the mikes required to bake it much more difficult for people.

If you want to do it, that fine. Just don't convince yourself and others that you're doing AS or EK or any airline a favor by doing what you're doing because you're not.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 02:27:09 PM
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?
I'm not sure you realize how hollow it sounds when people racking up miles from cards and spending them to book $25,000 suites in the air complain about how the airlines are disregarding their "valuable customers"?  They do have valuable customers, such as frequent cash paying business travelers, but people "outsmarting the system" by racking up cc miles aren't them.

What they just did affects a tiny minority of their customer base. Most people don't know or care about miles, the ones that do are mostly not aiming that high (as in "I just NEED that first class residence!"), and the ones that are aiming that high are playing shtick and don't bring in a blessed dime to their bottom line.

And don't start arguing with me trying to explain how Alaska WANTS you to do this, and they make LOTS of profit off people like you, because both common sense and the facts say otherwise. If they were making such a killing on people doing this they wouldn't suddenly rack up the mikes required to bake it much more difficult for people.

If you want to do it, that fine. Just don't convince yourself and others that you're doing AS or EK or any airline a favor by doing what you're doing because you're not.
Did you read AJK's posts in this thread before commenting?
Congrats on your first post, by the way. ::)
My sincere condolences on your favorite thread being closed.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yesitsme83 on March 31, 2016, 02:28:10 PM
It reminds me of when Dan used to INSIST that churning is profitable for the banks because of blah blah blah (insert all sorts of cheshbonos here). Obviously that defies logic but not everyone is so into that stuff.
Well, oops, doesn't look like that anymore. With the crackdowns going on recently (AMEX, AS, Chase) it's pretty clear, as it should've been from day 1, that they don't like it and that you're not doing them any favors.

So please, do what you want, but check your entitlement at the door. You're not a big shot coming up to them with a check for $25,000. You're someone who gamed their system, and when they find out, they can only be expected to do what they just did.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 02:41:54 PM
ExUSA?

Seems like they collect Q charges even on EX USA routes as per this (http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/korean-air-skypass/1421915-emirates-partner-redemption-one-way-2.html)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 02:42:04 PM
Take with a mountain of salt, but this could explain it. A comment someone made on Lucky's post.

I buy that EK has some control, but not that this was all of a sudden. I can't imagine AS had no idea this was likely coming a month or two ago, and could have at least given its members some notice.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: rileywiles23 on March 31, 2016, 02:56:04 PM
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?
I'm not sure you realize how hollow it sounds when people racking up miles from cards and spending them to book $25,000 suites in the air complain about how the airlines are disregarding their "valuable customers"?  They do have valuable customers, such as frequent cash paying business travelers, but people "outsmarting the system" by racking up cc miles aren't them.

What they just did affects a tiny minority of their customer base. Most people don't know or care about miles, the ones that do are mostly not aiming that high (as in "I just NEED that first class residence!"), and the ones that are aiming that high are playing shtick and don't bring in a blessed dime to their bottom line.

And don't start arguing with me trying to explain how Alaska WANTS you to do this, and they make LOTS of profit off people like you, because both common sense and the facts say otherwise. If they were making such a killing on people doing this they wouldn't suddenly rack up the mikes required to bake it much more difficult for people.

If you want to do it, that fine. Just don't convince yourself and others that you're doing AS or EK or any airline a favor by doing what you're doing because you're not.
Did you specifically create a new username to use solely to bash AJK ?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 03:10:04 PM
It reminds me of when Dan used to INSIST that churning is profitable for the banks because of blah blah blah (insert all sorts of cheshbonos here).
{{Citation needed}}
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 03:13:46 PM
Did you specifically create a new username to use solely to bash AJK ?

It's not me  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 03:17:21 PM
I'm curious, do you consider yourself a "valuable customer" of AS?

Nope.

That was an easy one.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 03:19:35 PM
Did you read AJK's posts in this thread before commenting?

Likely not:

Anger and super-sensitivity tends to cause that frothing-at-the-mouth tunnel vision (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57263.msg1445126#msg1445126).

Did you specifically create a new username to use solely to bash AJK ?

LOL, it's flattering.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 03:22:59 PM
We are not bringing the Epstein Saga into this. Pleeeaaaaasssseeeee.  :)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 03:24:46 PM
We are not bringing the Epstein Saga into this. Pleeeaaaaasssseeeee.  :)

OK, I will no longer feed the troll, except substantively :P
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 03:32:39 PM
Likely not:

Anger and super-sensitivity tends to cause that frolicking-at-the-mouth tunnel vision (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57263.msg1445126#msg1445126).
FTFY.  ;D
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yesitsme83 on March 31, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
{{Citation needed}}
Oh please.
It flows out of every statement you've ever made, to give just a few examples:
1. your phone interview a few months ago (forget with who, was mentioned somewhere on the forums) in which you insisted that this whole business is " a win win situation" for both parties and so it's not going anywhere (which it clearly is-it's disappearing fast).
2. Your refusal, in the AMEX prediction thread, to acknowledge that churning is bad for the banks and that the fact that AMEX stopped if clearly reflects that.
(Is that thread even still here btw? Seems to have conveniently disappeared...)
3. Your sense of entitlement evident in your recent spat with AA on Twitter (in which, the loyal customer, was upset about how AA treated you after you flew for free from card points).

And countless others. It's only quite recently when you've begun to recognize the writing on the wall. Until now it's always been "when one thing closes, another opens", "that is the nature of this business", etc., a notion clearly not grounded in reality, as it's far worse now than it's ever been, and you now it.

I do hand it to you, however, that you do seem to have woken up in the past 2-3 months. Even AJK is discussing here about how disheartening the situation has become.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yesitsme83 on March 31, 2016, 03:44:10 PM
{{Citation needed}}
You know full well your opinions on how bad it is and how quickly it's getting worse have changed. You can just admit that you were wrong, that the backs don't like what you're doing, that you're not good customers, and well move on.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: cholent on March 31, 2016, 03:56:33 PM
You know full well your opinions on how bad it is and how quickly it's getting worse have changed. You can just admit that you were wrong, that the backs don't like what you're doing, that you're not good customers, and well move on.
There's a world of difference between acknowledging that things are going downhill and saying that churning is good for banks. In fact, I struggle to understand the connection
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 03:57:47 PM
Lol, I'm waiting for when Dan reveals who this troll is :)

:popcorn:
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on March 31, 2016, 04:06:03 PM
With all the "makes sense" discussion here that it was indeed EK, I still don't believe it.

Why? Meshum Zeh Lu Uved Kachah.

It just makes no sense for the partner airline to decide how many miles is needed. If you know how these things work.

And the simple proof for that is that EK would never let AS charge less mileage than their own program if it was up to them. EK would require AS to charge YQ if it was up to them. (The same way BA does)

You want me to believe that CX told AS to charge 70k to HKG in F while CX charges 105?

And that EK made up one morning to change the award prices with giving AS prior notice or at least without letting AS give some notice to its members?

All and all Im talking this with a HUGE grain of salt.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 04:15:20 PM
Oh please.
It flows out of every statement you've ever made, to give just a few examples:
1. your phone interview a few months ago (forget with who, was mentioned somewhere on the forums) in which you insisted that this whole business is " a win win situation" for both parties and so it's not going anywhere (which it clearly is-it's disappearing fast).
2. Your refusal, in the AMEX prediction thread, to acknowledge that churning is bad for the banks and that the fact that AMEX stopped if clearly reflects that.
(Is that thread even still here btw? Seems to have conveniently disappeared...)
3. Your sense of entitlement evident in your recent spat with AA on Twitter (in which, the loyal customer, was upset about how AA treated you after you flew for free from card points).

And countless others. It's only quite recently when you've begun to recognize the writing on the wall. Until now it's always been "when one thing closes, another opens", "that is the nature of this business", etc., a notion clearly not grounded in reality, as it's far worse now than it's ever been, and you now it.

I do hand it to you, however, that you do seem to have woken up in the past 2-3 months. Even AJK is discussing here about how disheartening the situation has become.
Hi Aj3042. Good to see you're still foaming with anger.

1. Never said churning was a win-win-win, I said the mileage game was a win-win-win
2. {{Citation needed}}. I don't delete threads for no reason.
3. I didn't fly free. I used 156K miles+$1,800 and got nothing. No flights and no refund.
3a. Airlines have clearly decided that credit card customers are more valuable than regular non-premium flyers. They sell the miles to banks for billions of dollars and they haven't devalued those earnings. Earnings from regular coach flying have been sliced down to nothing as that isn't where the profit is made.

Go back to your hole now.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 04:16:31 PM
Hi Aj3042. Good to see you're still foaming with anger.

(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: esw30 on March 31, 2016, 04:18:55 PM
Oh please.
It flows out of every statement you've ever made, to give just a few examples:
1. your phone interview a few months ago (forget with who, was mentioned somewhere on the forums) in which you insisted that this whole business is " a win win situation" for both parties and so it's not going anywhere (which it clearly is-it's disappearing fast).
2. Your refusal, in the AMEX prediction thread, to acknowledge that churning is bad for the banks and that the fact that AMEX stopped if clearly reflects that.
(Is that thread even still here btw? Seems to have conveniently disappeared...)
3. Your sense of entitlement evident in your recent spat with AA on Twitter (in which, the loyal customer, was upset about how AA treated you after you flew for free from card points).

And countless others. It's only quite recently when you've begun to recognize the writing on the wall. Until now it's always been "when one thing closes, another opens", "that is the nature of this business", etc., a notion clearly not grounded in reality, as it's far worse now than it's ever been, and you now it.

I do hand it to you, however, that you do seem to have woken up in the past 2-3 months. Even AJK is discussing here about how disheartening the situation has become.

Don't be like that.  Nobody here comes to your work and starts criticizing you.  You choose to read/post on DDF, don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: rileywiles23 on March 31, 2016, 04:21:59 PM
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)
ROFL.
How do you figure these things out ?!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Emkay on March 31, 2016, 04:26:31 PM


Hi Aj3042.

Should have figured it was him.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
ROFL.
How do you figure these things out ?!
Old news. Hasn't changed his style one bit, and dropped a bunch of hints.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 04:31:00 PM
Wow. AJ is back. Lol.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yesitsme83 on March 31, 2016, 04:31:07 PM
Hi Aj3042. Good to see you're still foaming with anger.

1. Never said churning was a win-win-win, I said the mileage game was a win-win-win
2. {{Citation needed}}. I don't delete threads for no reason.
3. I didn't fly free. I used 156K miles+$1,800 and got nothing. No flights and no refund.
3a. Airlines have clearly decided that credit card customers are more valuable than regular non-premium flyers. They sell the miles to banks for billions of dollars and they haven't devalued those earnings. Earnings from regular coach flying have been sliced down to nothing as that isn't where the profit is made.

Go back to your hole now.
Hello! Long time no speak! I have to hand it to your detective work (though I think that this time it's simpler than people realize).
And yep still same person except I was even more expressive because I had even less of a "reputation" on the line.
Time to move on to the next one!
You can go ban this account now so you do t have to listen to someone who doesn't agree with you!

Have a nice life!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 04:34:30 PM
Lots of people here don't agree with my views on things. And yet they manage not to be trolls.
Catch you again the next time you get bored!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 04:37:26 PM
Wow. AJ is back. Lol.

Please done defame the name "AJ" by using it in conjuncition with that troll  :D
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 04:38:15 PM
Seriously?!? Nobody realized this until now? I take it you're all joking. This guy was attacking his perceived DDF hierarchy drone effect since his fourth post on this forum. You really think he was above applying that same train of thought to our gedolim? His posts and posting style hadn't changed a bit, either.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 04:38:53 PM
Please done defame the name "AJ" with that troll  :D

(https://media.giphy.com/media/11nloJQzzDP1MA/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Novo on March 31, 2016, 04:45:27 PM
Hello! Long time no speak! I have to hand it to your detective work (though I think that this time it's simpler than people realize).
And yep still same person except I was even more expressive because I had even less of a "reputation" on the line.
Time to move on to the next one!
You can go ban this account now so you do t have to listen to someone who doesn't agree with you!

Have a nice life!
I hope your new account is not yet banned.

  Can you explain that to me? DDF is a site where people who churn CCs come together and discuss it. You are entitled to have an opinion but what's your goal with coming up on this site and bashing...? Do you think you'll convince us that we're wrong and the site will close down? or do you just want we should know that we're wrong? Either way, have you ever seen someone coming into a Shul and explaining how Judaism is wrong? If we really bother you, I don't think DDF is right place to express your anger... Just vent your anger to people who think like you.

My 0.02
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Yehuda57 on March 31, 2016, 04:48:37 PM
Hasn't changed his style one bit

Lack of even first grade reading comprehension? ✔️
Straw-man arguments? ✔️
Putting words in others' mouths? ✔️
Childish (Trump-like) argumentativeness? ✔️
Inability to answer questions? ✔️
Unsubstantive claims? ✔️
All for the sake of being a self-righteous, holier-than-though contrarian? ✔️

If it walks like duck, talks like a duck, and sounds like a duck... it must be a quack.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: CS91 on March 31, 2016, 04:52:05 PM
(http://www.sherv.net/cm/emo/laughing/roflmao.gif)
Funny thing is, you were definitely doing this in person lol.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 04:55:40 PM
1. Never said churning was a win-win-win, I said the mileage game was a win-win-win
I understand how it's a win for the airlines (sell billions in currency that's so easily devalued, and probably kept on the books as a liability at a tiny fraction of $ received in exchange) and the banks (new credit card customers). However, I am not sure if the "players" of the game are actual winners. Between all the time and effort spent on accumulating these currencies, finding award space, and travelling to places that might be beautiful, interesting and full of נפלאות הבורא, is this really what our life should be about? Please don't get me wrong, I am not criticizing, I am trying to open up a discussion about this.


3a. Airlines have clearly decided that credit card customers are more valuable than regular non-premium flyers. They sell the miles to banks for billions of dollars and they haven't devalued those earnings. Earnings from regular coach flying have been sliced down to nothing as that isn't where the profit is made.
a. Don't they make profit on all the extra fees in coach?

b. I have always been very curious as to how airlines pay (or account with) each other for award space, mileage accrual etc. I would appreciate pointers for an education on this, if available (I actually have a business purpose to this).
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 04:58:36 PM
If it walks like duck, talks like a duck, and sounds like a duck... it must be a quack.

Especially if ip addresses match...
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 05:01:06 PM
Especially if ip addresses match...
-1
Incredibly easy to change ip addresses, (and nobody needed ip addresses to figure this out, IMO).
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ExGingi on March 31, 2016, 05:27:38 PM
-1
Incredibly easy to change ip addresses, (and nobody needed ip addresses to figure this out, IMO).
Easy to change ip addresses, question is if a person with such an attitude is likely to do that, especially since there seems to be a consensus that he would be easily detected based on other factors. I seem to doubt he bothered to cover his tracks with a different ip address. I've not been here long enough to actually know the guy.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 05:35:45 PM
Easy to change ip addresses, question is if a person with such an attitude is likely to do that, especially since there seems to be a consensus that he would be easily detected based on other factors. I seem to doubt he bothered to cover his tracks with a different ip address. I've not been here long enough to actually know the guy.
It's unlikely that he has the same ip address as he had in September, even without actively changing it to hide his tracks.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aerial Dag on March 31, 2016, 05:40:43 PM
And countless others. It's only quite recently when you've begun to recognize the writing on the wall. Until now it's always been "when one thing closes, another opens", "that is the nature of this business", etc., a notion clearly not grounded in reality, as it's far worse now than it's ever been, and you now it.

Those comments used to bother me too but honestly he's got a business to run, gotta keep things positive. I don't think he actually believed it would continue indefinitely. We all knew the ease at which we were able to accumulate miles would end, especially as more and more people joined the game.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: chucksterace on March 31, 2016, 06:18:06 PM
https://blog.alaskaair.com/emirates-redemptions/

"With the rise of “travel-hacking,” intended to exploit Mileage Plan’s award routing rules, coupled with below-market award levels, our previous award levels were unsustainable."
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 06:20:21 PM
Interesting to openly say "it's because of you BOA Churners."

I'm waiting for "AJ" to come and blame Dan because he introduced 12BM in seminars. Lol.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 06:21:08 PM
https://blog.alaskaair.com/emirates-redemptions/

"With the rise of “travel-hacking,” intended to exploit Mileage Plan’s award routing rules, coupled with below-market award levels, our previous award levels were unsustainable."
Weak sauce. No explanation of lack of notice.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 06:22:34 PM
Interesting to openly say "it's because of you BOA Churners."

I'm waiting for "AJ" to come and blame Dan because he introduced 12BM in seminars. Lol.
Huh?
More like placing the blame on Sam Huang.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 06:32:52 PM
Weak sauce. No explanation of lack of notice.

That is precisely why I believe AS was constrained by EK in this instance.
Title: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on March 31, 2016, 06:34:18 PM
Here is my scenario:

Imagine AS was the only program to book EK F with and AJK had to go to Hong Kong and had never tried EK F before but has tried all other airlines flying to HKG.

Would he "suck it up" and book EK F OW for 180k to feed his love of trying all premium cabins or would he save it in order to redeem for close to 3x on CX F.

Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on March 31, 2016, 06:36:27 PM
That is precisely why I believe AS was constrained by EK in this instance.
More likely EK told them their reimbursement rates are doubling and AS didn't want to swallow the pain for 30 days.

Regardless, how are they promising notice in the future? Why can't EK pull the rug out again?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 06:46:50 PM
More likely EK told them their reimbursement rates are doubling and AS didn't want to swallow the pain for 30 days.

Perhaps.

Regardless, how are they promising notice in the future? Why can't EK pull the rug out again?

I don't think you're reading closely enough.

(https://api.monosnap.com/rpc/file/download?id=uqFBxk1uhH6pq1lrylyqp1s1twHrd5)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 06:47:27 PM
Here is my scenario:

Imagine AS was the only program to book EK F with and AJK had to go to Hong Kong and had never tried EK F before but has tried all other airlines flying to HKG.

Would he "suck it up" and book EK F OW for 180k to feed his love of trying all premium cabins or would he save it in order to redeem for close to 3x on CX F.



Easy. Redeem for EK F.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 06:52:59 PM
https://blog.alaskaair.com/emirates-redemptions/

"With the rise of “travel-hacking,” intended to exploit Mileage Plan’s award routing rules, coupled with below-market award levels, our previous award levels were unsustainable."
Wow.
I think they did a great job in this post.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on March 31, 2016, 07:18:05 PM
https://blog.alaskaair.com/emirates-redemptions/

"With the rise of “travel-hacking,” intended to exploit Mileage Plan’s award routing rules, coupled with below-market award levels, our previous award levels were unsustainable."
Give me a break. Because of some travel hackers I will have to pay 180k AS for a OW to Europe  :o :o :o :o

When UA started charging 110k for LH F to Europe we thought that it was the end of the world. This brings "Chutzpah" to a WHOLE new level. And STILL no excuse as to why there was no notice. There was enough heat to make them promise giving notice in the future but obviously their ego did not allow them to say we made a mistake. At least they had the decency not to lie that it has nothing to do with them and blame it on EK.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on March 31, 2016, 08:02:47 PM
Who are we kidding? We all know why there was no notice - there would have been a rush of bookings, reserving every award seat for their entire available calendar.

And if they would have expected limited the number of award seats they would have been called out on that as well.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 08:09:59 PM
Give me a break. Because of some travel hackers I will have to pay 180k AS for a OW to Europe  :o :o :o :o

When UA started charging 110k for LH F to Europe we thought that it was the end of the world. This brings "Chutzpah" to a WHOLE new level. And STILL no excuse as to why there was no notice. There was enough heat to make them promise giving notice in the future but obviously their ego did not allow them to say we made a mistake. At least they had the decency not to lie that it has nothing to do with them and blame it on EK.

They might consider you a travel hacker
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on March 31, 2016, 08:45:04 PM
These people are thick...

(http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu313/anaiman/AS2_zpsmw2idbl5.png) (http://s659.photobucket.com/user/anaiman/media/AS2_zpsmw2idbl5.png.html)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on March 31, 2016, 09:21:09 PM
I asked my guy about this https://t.co/T1YRDrV2wn/s/Q6g5 he said this is just a spin because EK didn't like Everybody knowing that they're at fault!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on March 31, 2016, 10:35:49 PM
I asked my guy about this https://t.co/T1YRDrV2wn/s/Q6g5 he said this is just a spin because EK didn't like Everybody knowing that they're at fault!
ROTFL.

This sounds like something we had in pre school.

I am done with your guy for now. He either has no idea what's flying or he is just playing games with you.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:46:11 PM
ROTFL.

This sounds like something we had in pre school.

I am done with your guy for now. He either has no idea what's flying or he is just playing games with you.

Disagree.

What other airline would have either bothered with such a blog post? None. It's rather clear there are other forces at play here.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on March 31, 2016, 10:53:17 PM
Disagree.

What other airline would have either bothered with such a blog post? None. It's rather clear there are other forces at play here.

You don't see any other reasons why the head of loyalty wrote a blog post, giving the negative reaction this particular devaluation received, particularly due to it happening with no advanced notice??? Perhaps they wanted to do damage control and highlight:
1. We are committed to keeping our program as a competitive advantage
2. We plan on giving notice for future devaluations
3. If you bought miles recently, we'll give you a refund
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 10:58:31 PM
Wow, I must say, you're beginning to make DDF a pretty unenjoyable place.

ilherman, PM me if you want to chat, I don't have the energy for EJB tonight.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on March 31, 2016, 11:00:53 PM


You don't see any other reasons why the head of loyalty wrote a blog post, giving the negative reaction this particular devaluation received, particularly due to it happening with no advanced notice??? Perhaps they wanted to do damage control and highlight:
1. We are committed to keeping our program as a competitive advantage
2. We plan on giving notice for future devaluations
3. If you bought miles recently, we'll give you a refund

And one more point the blog post mentioned:
4. It's the churners that screwed you; our loyal customers; over, not us.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 11:03:11 PM
Wow.
I think they did a great job in this post.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: CS91 on March 31, 2016, 11:03:28 PM
Wow, I must say, you're beginning to make DDF a pretty unenjoyable place.

ilherman, PM me if you want to chat, I don't have the energy for EJB tonight.
You guys need to go to therapy.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on March 31, 2016, 11:04:04 PM
You guys need to go to therapy.

No thanks. I'd rather <gasp> put him on my ignore list.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: CS91 on March 31, 2016, 11:09:23 PM
No thanks. I'd rather <gasp> put him on my ignore list.
Don't think I'm the only one that would love to see this list that you speak of.  ::)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on March 31, 2016, 11:28:01 PM
ROTFL.

This sounds like something we had in pre school.

I am done with your guy for now. He either has no idea what's flying or he is just playing games with you.
I have no problem if your done with my contact, but I really don't think he's playing with me he speaks to me like a brother and he never heard of DDF so he doesn't know that I'm posting all this he's not trying to make damage control via DDF, and honestly the reason if they stopped it because of t"travel hackers" y do it so sudden! Anyway as long as I'm getting my perks for being his buddy ill stay he's buddy!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: CS91 on March 31, 2016, 11:32:48 PM
I have no problem if your done with my contact, but I really don't think he's playing with me he speaks to me like a brother and he never heard of DDF so he doesn't know that I'm posting all this he's not trying to make damage control via DDF, and honestly the reason if they stopped it because of t"travel hackers" y do it so sudden! Anyway as long as I'm getting my perks for being his buddy ill stay he's buddy!
He's Jewish and works for an airline, but he's never heard of DDF?  ???
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on March 31, 2016, 11:40:49 PM
He's Jewish and works for an airline, but he's never heard of DDF?  ???
just the opposite because he works for an airline he doesn't need DDF to get around life!:) besides before we met he never kept any yidishkeit, I know the first thing I learnt with him should've been DDF part of yidishkeit:P
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 01, 2016, 12:04:41 AM
Disagree.

What other airline would have either bothered with such a blog post? None. It's rather clear there are other forces at play here.
You don't see any other reasons why the head of loyalty wrote a blog post, giving the negative reaction this particular devaluation received, particularly due to it happening with no advanced notice??? Perhaps they wanted to do damage control and highlight:
1. We are committed to keeping our program as a competitive advantage
2. We plan on giving notice for future devaluations
3. If you bought miles recently, we'll give you a refund
What ^ said. Of course they had to do something to cover the damage.

AJ, you think that the following happened today in Alaska's HQ?

9:00 AM: Hi, this is Ibrahim from Emirates, I would like to inform you that we decided that you need to raise your award pricing for our airline and the changes will be as follows. NA-EU 180K for a one way in F instead of 100k, there are more changes, I will email you everything soon. The changes need to take place 10 minutes after you get my email with the final prices. Have a good day.

9:05: Alaska calls an emergency meeting for the IT teem and who not to make the update as quickly as possible.

9:20: All the updates are in place.

10:00: The Alaska HQs starting to get tweets, emails, phone calls from panicked members as to what happened, they answer everyone, sorry it was Emirates who forced us into it.

12:00 PM: The phone rings at Alaska. AS: Hello.
EK: Hi this is Ibrahim again.
AS: Hi.
EK: (in an angry tone) Don't tell me hi now! Why you guys make us look so bad! Why you tell everyone that it is our fault. I warn you. Allahu Akbar.

12:05: AS calls an emergency meeting once again and orders EVERYONE to change the version of the story and tell everyone that IT IS NOT EKs fault. It was due to travel hackers.

12:10 Without thinking too much if the new reason makes sense, AS changes the story, writes up a blog post and yalla.

Or AJ wait for my next post to what happened and you will get to decide as to what really happened.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Matovu on April 01, 2016, 12:13:57 AM
^
Hillarious...
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 01, 2016, 12:16:01 AM
Disagree.

What other airline would have either bothered with such a blog post? None. It's rather clear there are other forces at play here.
So then why start with the whole travel hacking business. If their hand was being twisted, why not milk that angle for all its worth?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ExGingi on April 01, 2016, 12:16:51 AM
Holding our breath for the next chapter of the story...ilherman you should seriously consider a career change. Writing seems right up your alley.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on April 01, 2016, 12:19:27 AM
Why isn't this thread in JS yet?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on April 01, 2016, 12:22:22 AM
So then why start with the whole travel hacking business. If their hand was being twisted, why not milk that angle for all its worth?
How does that explain the lack of notice?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 01, 2016, 12:24:33 AM
What ^ said. Of course they had to do something to cover the damage.

AJ, you think that the following happened today in Alaska's HQ?

9:00 AM: Hi, this is Ibrahim from Emirates, I would like to inform you that we decided that you need to raise your award pricing for our airline and the changes will be as follows. NA-EU 180K for a one way in F instead of 100k, there are more changes, I will email you everything soon. The changes need to take place 10 minutes after you get my email with the final prices. Have a good day.

9:05: Alaska calls an emergency meeting for the IT teem and who not to make the update as quickly as possible.

9:20: All the updates are in place.

10:00: The Alaska HQs starting to get tweets, emails, phone calls from panicked members as to what happened, they answer everyone, sorry it was Emirates who forced us into it.

12:00 PM: The phone rings at Alaska. AS: Hello.
EK: Hi this is Ibrahim again.
AS: Hi.
EK: (in an angry tone) Don't tell me hi now! Why you guys make us look so bad! Why you tell everyone that it is our fault. I warn you. Allahu Akbar.

12:05: AS calls an emergency meeting once again and orders EVERYONE to change the version of the story and tell everyone that IT IS NOT EKs fault. It was due to travel hackers.

12:10 Without thinking too much if the new reason makes sense, AS changes the story, writes up a blog post and yalla.

Or AJ wait for my next post to what happened and you will get to decide as to what really happened.
Or.

Two days ago Some number-cruncher at Alaska noticed how popular Emirates first class redemption's were, and decided that they could get away with higher pricing and the person responsible for implementing it was someone who didn’t realize that no notice changes especially piss off customers.

So without bothering to inform anyone they implanted the changes and set that everything should go into place Mar 31.

Mar 31 in the morning, AS is being caught in a complete shock. They never thought that is going to happen. They are being attacked by every single blogger under the sun.

Wow, we gotta do something says dumb Yevette or whatever her fu^*in name is. Oh I have a great great plan. We will blame it on Emirates. Everyone in the room - cheering!

An hour later, someone a little smarter in AS sees what is going on and wants to fire Yevete, you dumbbell he scream on her, you can write crap when you close people's accounts but not something that will be on every blog! Lucky and Gary know better than that! They know how the system works! We will look like UA looked after they   lied about who pulled SQ award space (http://upgrd.com/matthew/singapore-airlines-accuses-united-airlines-of-lying-about-pulled-online-award-space.html) 

Quickly he makes sure everyone pulls back from this non sense. Types up a blog post which looks a little professional and yalla!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on April 01, 2016, 12:25:01 AM
Why isn't this thread in JS yet?

It should have been moved the moment aj (lowercase) came back.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 01, 2016, 12:25:27 AM
How does that explain the lack of notice?
If they were going with that angle, let them just say whatever other forces were at play didn't give them any notice.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on April 01, 2016, 12:29:16 AM
Or.

Two days ago Some number-cruncher at Alaska noticed how popular Emirates first class redemption's were, and decided that they could get away with higher pricing and the person responsible for implementing it was someone who didn’t realize that no notice changes especially piss off customers.

Things like this take longer than two days. Last program restructuring I worked on took a year from start to finish, and it wasn't major, though obviously these circumstances and the specific change r much different than that of a typical deval.

Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 01, 2016, 12:29:39 AM
Or.

Two days ago Some number-cruncher at Alaska noticed how popular Emirates first class redemption's were, and decided that they could get away with higher pricing and the person responsible for implementing it was someone who didn’t realize that no notice changes especially piss off customers.

So without bothering to inform anyone they implanted the changes and set that everything should go into place Mar 31.

Mar 31 in the morning, AS is being caught in a complete shock. They never thought that is going to happen. They are being attacked by every single blogger under the sun.

Wow, we gotta do something says dumb Yevette or whatever her fu^*in name is. Oh I have a great great plan. We will blame it on Emirates. Everyone in the room - cheering!

An hour later, someone a little smarter in AS sees what is going on and wants to fire Yevete, you dumbbell he scream on her, you can write crap when you close people's accounts but not something that will be on every blog! Lucky and Gary know better than that! They know how the system works! We will look like UA looked after they   lied about who pulled SQ award space (http://upgrd.com/matthew/singapore-airlines-accuses-united-airlines-of-lying-about-pulled-online-award-space.html) 

Quickly he makes sure everyone pulls back from this non sense. Types up a blog post which looks a little professional and yalla!
ALOL. The only problem with your theory is that it's a pretty big oversight to not know that: "no notice changes especially piss off customers."
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 01, 2016, 12:29:58 AM
Sorry guys for not writing up the second chapter so Juicy.

I am falling asleep.... But I hope that point was made. 

If I am off don't hesitate to comment.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 01, 2016, 12:32:28 AM
Things like this take longer than two days. Last program restructuring I worked on took a year from start to finish, and it wasn't major, though obviously these circumstances and the specific change r much different than that of a typical deval.
Okay so change it to 20 days  ;)

ALOL. The only problem with your theory is that it's a pretty big oversight to not know that: "no notice changes especially piss off customers."

Nah, that is the smallest problem. I mean DL did get away with it. Why can't you believe that someone in AS thought they could do the same. It is not my theory, Lucky wrote about it and it sounded the closest to the truth.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on April 01, 2016, 12:36:39 AM
I don't buy the claim that AS had 0 notice. As to why they gave us 0 notice, to each his own theory.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 01, 2016, 03:58:40 AM
Gotta love the implication that the EK partnership is in order to reward their West Coast BIS flyers and not to sell miles to cc companies and pax

My bet is the large amount of redemptions on EK comparative to other uses was raising their average redemption cost and hurting some accountants, so they found a simple solution. Whoever made the decision didn't realize he should be giving notice and like most people is too proud to backtrack.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 01, 2016, 07:19:02 AM
Huh?
More like placing the blame on Sam Huang.

More like Daraius which funnily TPOL (http://thepointsoflife.boardingarea.com/i-quit-churning/?_ga=1.146355892.1695709978.1417457345) kinda goes off on today as the mysterious not so mysterious Deal Killer (http://thepointsoflife.boardingarea.com/the-deal-killer-strikes-again/).
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: CS91 on April 01, 2016, 08:04:12 AM
More like Daraius which funnily TPOL (http://thepointsoflife.boardingarea.com/i-quit-churning/?_ga=1.146355892.1695709978.1417457345) kinda goes off on today as the mysterious not so mysterious Deal Killer (http://thepointsoflife.boardingarea.com/the-deal-killer-strikes-again/).
That Deal Killer article is hilarious!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shauly on April 01, 2016, 08:41:41 AM
That Deal Killer article is hilarious!

It would be if it wasn't so spot on.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 01, 2016, 08:57:41 AM
I do hate the Q&A Part mentioning the “travel-hacking,” intended to exploit Mileage Plan’s award routing rules

because they could have then simply changed the routing rules / been more stringent on not allowing those.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 01, 2016, 03:16:41 PM
Lucky's turn:

I have a friend who works at Emirates, who shared with me what really happened. Emirates was pissed at Alaska for the number of first class redemptions coming through their program. They wanted to cut off Emirates first class redemptions altogether for Alaska Mileage Plan, and the new redemption rates were looked at as a compromise. The main goal was to make the product so highly priced that only a tiny fraction of people would redeem for it.

This is part of why I find it so hilarious that Alaska is pointing at “travel hackers,” as they’re calling them. They knew exactly what was going on, and were profiting hugely off of it. Internal reimbursement rates between airlines are low, and Alaska was making tens of millions of dollars selling miles to people they knew wanted to redeem for Emirates first class.


While it does shed a bit more light and confirms some things, I do love how all of them just shift blame around. If it wasn't for bloggers advertising xBM's and purchasing miles for this, there wouldn't be "that many redemptions for EK F coming through their program".
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on April 01, 2016, 03:18:07 PM
Lucky's turn:

I have a friend who works at Emirates, who shared with me what really happened. Emirates was pissed at Alaska for the number of first class redemptions coming through their program. They wanted to cut off Emirates first class redemptions altogether for Alaska Mileage Plan, and the new redemption rates were looked at as a compromise. The main goal was to make the product so highly priced that only a tiny fraction of people would redeem for it.

And who's to blame for the lack of notice? EK or AS?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 01, 2016, 03:19:38 PM
And who's to blame for the lack of notice? EK or AS?

AS didn't want to swallow the pain for 30 days.


Thus, no notice.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on April 01, 2016, 04:48:29 PM
Wrong. Emirates had enough, and they  threatened to remove F as an option altogether. As a compromise, and likely due in large part to the fact that EK didn't want a deluge of last minute bookings ala AA deval, both AS and EK (and from the facts, its clear it was as at EK's urging), agreed that AS would change to higher rates without notice.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on April 01, 2016, 04:56:11 PM
What ^ said. Of course they had to do something to cover the damage.

AJ, you think that the following happened today in Alaska's HQ?

9:00 AM: Hi, this is Ibrahim from Emirates, I would like to inform you that we decided that you need to raise your award pricing for our airline and the changes will be as follows. NA-EU 180K for a one way in F instead of 100k, there are more changes, I will email you everything soon. The changes need to take place 10 minutes after you get my email with the final prices. Have a good day.

9:05: Alaska calls an emergency meeting for the IT teem and who not to make the update as quickly as possible.

9:20: All the updates are in place.

10:00: The Alaska HQs starting to get tweets, emails, phone calls from panicked members as to what happened, they answer everyone, sorry it was Emirates who forced us into it.

12:00 PM: The phone rings at Alaska. AS: Hello.
EK: Hi this is Ibrahim again.
AS: Hi.
EK: (in an angry tone) Don't tell me hi now! Why you guys make us look so bad! Why you tell everyone that it is our fault. I warn you. Allahu Akbar.

12:05: AS calls an emergency meeting once again and orders EVERYONE to change the version of the story and tell everyone that IT IS NOT EKs fault. It was due to travel hackers.

12:10 Without thinking too much if the new reason makes sense, AS changes the story, writes up a blog post and yalla.

Or AJ wait for my next post to what happened and you will get to decide as to what really happened.
Uhm, yeah. Pretty much. See above.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: EJB on April 01, 2016, 05:20:20 PM
Wrong. Emirates had enough, and they  threatened to remove F as an option altogether. As a compromise, and likely due in large part to the fact that EK didn't want a deluge of last minute bookings ala AA deval, both AS and EK (and from the facts, its clear it was as at EK's urging), agreed that AS would change to higher rates without notice.


Agree w most except the "from the facts it's clear that it was at EKs urging.." to devalue without notice. Ek could have put pressure a number of ways, including ridding themselves as a partner or raising costs to AS. It could have been a joint decision to devalue without notice, it could have been an EK decision, but it also could have been an AS decision. I don't think the lack of notice was "clearly" at EKs urging.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Buruch on April 01, 2016, 07:19:56 PM
Why couldn't EK just release fewer seats / release only closer to flight?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 02, 2016, 08:18:49 PM
One time change permitted to existing bookings. (http://www.travelcodex.com/2016/04/update-alaska-airlines-will-permit-one-time-change-to-emirates-awards-at-old-price/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+travelcodex+%28Travel+Codex%29)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on April 02, 2016, 09:41:32 PM
One time change permitted to existing bookings. (http://www.travelcodex.com/2016/04/update-alaska-airlines-will-permit-one-time-change-to-emirates-awards-at-old-price/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+travelcodex+%28Travel+Codex%29)

Good news for me.  Although it doesn't mention change in class; wondering if I can convince them to let me go from J to F if it opens?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ual902 on April 02, 2016, 10:14:53 PM
How many  JL points for one way JFK DXB BKK on EK F?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 02, 2016, 11:21:11 PM
Emirates could very easily limit AS's PCC from F availability or at least a portion of it. Pretty sure they still do just that even with the current levels.

AS could've also constrained availability a la CO.

The simple answer they are thrilled to sell it for the right price.

Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 03, 2016, 01:46:21 AM
Emirates could very easily limit AS's PCC from F availability or at least a portion of it. Pretty sure they still do just that even with the current levels.

AS could've also constrained availability a la CO.

The simple answer they are thrilled to sell it for the right price.
Exactly my thoughts. I still think that the above story from Lucky is not the whole picture.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 03, 2016, 04:55:13 AM
There's another possibility that the AS/EK contract inctevised AS to use a defined amount of miles, either because of a discounted rate or because of a min purchase covenant.

Amex seemed to have those in the past with DL

I highly doubt the lack of notice was deliberate. It's hard to believe anybody's job security would be affected by a higher than expected redemption rate. More likely somebody who just didn't care
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Hershelsdeals on April 03, 2016, 05:26:32 PM
So now AS is blaming mileage brokers for the sudden devaluation.

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/04/03/alaska-airlines-devaluation-explanation/


Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Matovu on April 03, 2016, 05:44:29 PM
Pretty clear that they are "not as good" at what they do.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on April 03, 2016, 09:43:27 PM
ROTFL.

This sounds like something we had in pre school.

I am done with your guy for now. He either has no idea what's flying or he is just playing games with you.
this shows over again my guy was right! They cant even stick to one lie! http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/04/03/alaska-airlines-devaluation-explanation/?utm_source=TW&utm_medium=Twitter&utm_campaign=SNAP%2Bfrom%2BOne+Mile+at+a+Time
p.s. a lesson from my grandmother: a lier has to have a strong memory!
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 03, 2016, 09:51:00 PM
So now AS is blaming mileage brokers for the sudden devaluation.

http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/04/03/alaska-airlines-devaluation-explanation/
If I was an Alaskan frequent flier, and I got that kind of response, (that my cost increases overnight because of people gaming the system) man would I be pissed.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on April 03, 2016, 09:54:39 PM
If I was an Alaskan frequent flier, and I got that kind of response, (that my cost increases overnight because of people gaming the system) man would I be pissed.
Pissed at whom?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 03, 2016, 09:55:55 PM
Pissed at whom?
At the moon.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Einstein on April 03, 2016, 09:59:55 PM
Anyone know if this is true or just them laying the blame on others?

Invalid Tweet ID
im gonna go with blaming others...as the link u provided no longer works
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: tzifanya54 on April 03, 2016, 10:11:08 PM
Pissed at whom?
Alaskan. Let's say people had a way to get counterfeit paid tickets and fly with them. The airline overnight goes ahead and switches the ticket price to double because of that. Would you be ok with that?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ual902 on April 03, 2016, 10:50:55 PM
If I was an Alaskan frequent flier, and I got that kind of response, (that my cost increases overnight because of people gaming the system) man would I be pissed.

Normal AS frequent flier do not redeem awards for EK F, it is only the freeloaders from Brooklyn, Lakewood and Chattanooga.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ilherman on April 03, 2016, 11:06:23 PM
Normal AS frequent flier do not redeem awards for EK F, it is only the freeloaders from Brooklyn, Lakewood and Chattanooga.
-0.5

FT is full of pissed AS frequent fliers.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on April 03, 2016, 11:21:34 PM
If I was an Alaskan frequent flier, and I got that kind of response, (that my cost increases overnight because of people gaming the system) man would I be pissed.

Yup.

Taking a neutron bomb to deal with a fight at a soccer game.

Could have (i) upped their corp sec dept ala AA, and/or (ii) limited redemptions to family, etc, and/or (iii) limited EK F to AS elites, etc.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: YOSEF on April 04, 2016, 09:18:53 AM
Yup.

Taking a neutron bomb to deal with a fight at a soccer game.

Could have (i) upped their corp sec dept ala AA, and/or (ii) limited redemptions to family, etc, and/or (iii) limited EK F to AS elites, etc.
Or my personal opinion, combined option 2 and 3 somewhat, and limited F redemptions to AH (and family?), as we all know that if you're giving away a ticket, it's not EK F.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 11:55:20 AM
Anyone know if this is true or just them laying the blame on others?

Invalid Tweet ID
Should've saved a screenshot of that :(
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yelped on April 04, 2016, 12:13:20 PM
Should've saved a screenshot of that :(

I could still see it, at least on the mobile site. Here's a screenshot.

(http://s23.postimg.org/629s4wom3/Screenshot_20160404_120650.png) (http://postimg.org/image/wakwua8pj/full/)
image upload no compression (http://postimage.org/)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 02:53:53 PM
I could still see it, at least on the mobile site. Here's a screenshot.
Cool, what mobile link worked for you?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: coralsnake on April 04, 2016, 02:56:34 PM
Cool, what mobile link worked for you?
Benjies link works for me on mobile:

Anyone know if this is true or just them laying the blame on others?

Invalid Tweet ID
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2016, 03:10:01 PM
Weird, doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yitrap on April 04, 2016, 03:46:37 PM
Weird, doesn't work for me.
Me too (http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160404/16b76ccef9d010bc131f00fcc365586d.jpg)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 04, 2016, 03:59:58 PM
Should've saved a screenshot of that :(

How cool is that! I was searching all over for a screen shot and when I went back into Tapatalk, it must have actually converted the tweet HTML into a visual because this is the pic I found attached to this thread:

(http://i.imgur.com/mi0PPTr.png)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: David Smith on April 04, 2016, 04:01:28 PM
Weird, doesn't work for me.
I can't see it either. All I see them saying is "You're right, we lied".
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Emkay on April 04, 2016, 04:01:32 PM
How cool is that! I was searching all over for a screen shot and when I went back into Tapatalk, it must have actually converted the tweet HTML into a visual because this is the pic I found attached to this thread:

(http://i.imgur.com/mi0PPTr.png)
The actual pic was posted a couple posts up.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on April 04, 2016, 04:03:24 PM
The actual pic was posted a couple posts up.

Missed that.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: yelped on April 05, 2016, 12:31:09 AM
Benjies link works for me on mobile:

Same here. On Android Marshmallow.
Cool, what mobile link worked for you?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: shmoe joe on April 05, 2016, 01:35:58 PM
And finally https://t.co/wSqvVZQzjh/s/eECU
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Aaaron on April 05, 2016, 01:38:59 PM
And finally https://t.co/wSqvVZQzjh/s/eECU

Repost.

One time change permitted to existing bookings. (http://www.travelcodex.com/2016/04/update-alaska-airlines-will-permit-one-time-change-to-emirates-awards-at-old-price/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+travelcodex+%28Travel+Codex%29)
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: ual902 on April 05, 2016, 07:58:12 PM
Alaska Airlines and the Jews of Yemen
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Alaska-Airlines-and-the-Jews-of-Yemen.html?mobile=yes
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AJK on April 05, 2016, 08:03:36 PM
Alaska Airlines and the Jews of Yemen
http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Alaska-Airlines-and-the-Jews-of-Yemen.html?mobile=yes

Relevance?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on July 01, 2016, 01:49:12 PM
And the BS continues..
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: efflpetzel on July 01, 2016, 02:01:36 PM
And the BS continues..
not confirmed
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: AsherO on July 01, 2016, 02:05:10 PM
And the BS continues..

Details/link? The recent accrual changes?
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: LoLo on July 01, 2016, 02:06:33 PM
Details/link? The recent accrual changes?
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/07/01/alaska-emirates-award-redemptions/
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Chapshnell on July 01, 2016, 02:07:03 PM
Details/link? The recent accrual changes?

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=5350.msg1504177#msg1504177
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on July 01, 2016, 02:16:24 PM
Details/link? The recent accrual changes?

Nah.

The fact that EK just disappeared completely now.
Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: benjie1305 on July 01, 2016, 03:19:08 PM
Should be back again.

Title: Re: AS devaluation of EK redemptions
Post by: Matovu on July 01, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
Should be back again.

Their playing games.