I Traveled for sukkos to israel with elal airlines together with my family. I had reserved and confirmed seats but when arrived in airport they told me they changed my reserved seats and put me on the last and worst row in the flight. they gave me 2 options, either stay here in israel or take our assigned seats. anyone with experience what can do now? (except option of disputing cc charge :-*)Typical LY customer service.
Typical LY customer service.Actually it's probably a case of LY accommodating a preferred customers' seating request.
Is it 180 degree flat bed?
But I would really like to fly them again, anyway to book besides matmid?
Is Aeromexico and qantas airlines partners with them? Can I book an award with them?
Interesting, what currency transfers to them?
You can now only book economy on ElAl with Qantas points, although you can now redeem awards from/to the US, previously they only allowed from/to Asia and Europe.
Interesting, what currency transfers to them?I don't think any currency transfers to them.
And how much is it from NA-tlv?
If I flew on an ELAL flight, what frequent flier programs can I get credit for the flight on (besides for Matmid)?
I don't think any currency transfers to them.I think TYP do. Where did you take that info from that you can only book Y?
42k one-way.
I think TYP do. Where did you take that info from that you can only book Y?
Right about TYP.
From the Qantas website - https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/partners/airline/el-al#using-points
For travel until 31 January 2015:
Classic Flight Reward bookings may be made only for flights between Israel and Asia, India, South Africa, Europe and the Middle East.
For travel from 1 February 2015:
You can only use your Qantas Points on El Al for a Classic Flight Reward in Economy class.
Classic Flight Reward bookings may be made only for selected flights between Israel and Asia, Canada, Europe, India, South Africa, and the United States of America.
What a douche...
But let's not forget this was elal so something weird had to happen with them :o
I had an infant with me and half the cabin was empty so I sat across the aisle from my wife and the infant sat next to my wife,the manger came over to me and said I need to pay $800 for taking an extra seat in business class I thought he was joking but-no,he said people want to have an empty seat next to them so I asked what will it help if you put $800 in your pocket that people should be happy? I told him no one paid for two seats here.
The only way I was able to send him away was by showing him my boarding pass (I originally booked 2 seats one across the aisle from each other hoping next to one of them would stay empty),so I said I am sitting on my seat and my wife doesn't matter if the seat next to het is not empty and especially when it's her son.
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.It just says classic flight reward, doesn't seem to indicate economy only:
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.how much did she pay?
how much did she pay?
YQ?
Any idea on what QF charges in YQ on an ElAl award NYC-TLV-NYC?IME no YQ ex-Asia or the US.
I don't think any currency transfers to them.Dan just wrote up that Citi transfers to them.
Dan just wrote up that Citi transfers to them.
Right about TYP.
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.
It just says classic flight reward, doesn't seem to indicate economy only:
https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/flying/using-points-awards-upgrades
For travel from 1 February 2015:You are correct. I see it now. Thanks.
You can only use your Qantas Points on El Al for a Classic Flight Reward in Economy class.
I don't think any currency transfers to them.And is LA - tlv 42k as well?
42k one-way.
And is LA - tlv 42k as well?Probably 56k
Probably 56k
I want to book a flight on elal for 5/13-5/17 which is 1200 dollars previously and now if you look carefully elal seems to drop there fares about a week or couple of days before I saw tomorrow to sunday for 929 2 days ago and it is not there anymore but i want to know if the same thing will happen to my flights? Will they drop their prices?
Thanks! Do they really weigh my carry-on also?
I'm flying el al tomorrow. They seem to only allow one carry on. And they weigh it. Would I be able to bring along a briefcase?
You answered this question in your last post.
Anyway of adding a TSA Pre # to an ELAL reservation ?There is no Pre check when flying LY.
Do el al flight still credit to AA and does anyone know how?Where did you find this thread ? :)
Do el al flight still credit to AA and does anyone know how?Nope. They don't.
Probably the Reform movement is behind this lawsuit.Correct. It is led by Anat Hoffman from women off the wall
Is it worth it to open a matmid account and credit 1 RT from JFK to TLV? Will the points be worth anything?And what do you want to accomplish? What do you thing you will gain?
And what do you want to accomplish? What do you thing you will gain?I know nothing about matmid points so I'm asking. How many points will I get?
I know nothing about matmid points so I'm asking. How many points will I get?So many info on this on DDMS. But to give you a short answer must of the time Matmid is a waste of time.l
Is it worth it to open a matmid account and credit 1 RT from JFK to TLV? Will the points be worth anything?If your asking in regard to paying for the account, there are links for free
If your asking in regard to paying for the account, there are links for freeCan you PM me one or post?
Can you PM me one or post?Was posted here a bunch of times. If you don't find it when I get home later I'll pull it up
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?We're Jews, so we're allowed to be anti Semitic.
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?Dan spoke once for an hour I think with one of the big guys and got no where. Don't even waste your time. They honestly think that the Matmid system is the best FF system in the industry.
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Dan spoke once for an hour I think with one of the big guys and got no where. Don't even waste your time. They honestly think that the Matmid system is the best FF system in the industry.
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?I bash them also but many here that bash Elal premium class never flew it. There seems to be an excitement in it. Its mostly the attitude they give off. I would say LY J was better then UA J IMO.
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?
Does el al give free earphones on their tlv to ny route
Just bought a ticket with AA that stops in CDG and then shows an AA flight number "Operated by EL AL" to and from TLV. Does anyone know if AA counts miles for these flights because it was purchased from AA and has an AA flight number?You won't earn AA miles on the LY part, though can prob earn QF.
Also, does anyone know if the ELAL part would invalidate the fly to Europe promotion? (On the phone they said it counts for the promo, but I also emailed them and they said it wouldn't. That would be unfair.)
I just flew TLV-LAX on LY F and EWR-TLV on UA J.
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY! (not only for elal)
I felt like in LH F about the service, the food was excellent, everything kosher, real proper food.
But I found it funny that there isn't anywhere to put your stuff.
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
The seat maybe isn't like LH but in F they put down a mattress
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.
I have a friend that flies LY F every week, to NY or to HKG.
He told me if I will get "Motti Lavi" as the head cabin crew on my flight I will be in good hands.
And guess who I got? I came on the plane someone greets me right away and I looked on his tag - "Motti Lavi" I asked if he knows my friend, he told me sure, he's a TOP PL...I should send regards, I took a picture with him in the end of the flight to show my friend.
Motti went out of his way a few times for me, I liked it very much.
UA J
I had to ask 3 times to take my coat and they forgot to bring it to me when landing, only when everyone was leaving the plane they came with it.
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
I just flew TLV-LAX on LY F and EWR-TLV on UA J.couldn't agree with you more it was a real good experience flying ly F ex-tlv.(not to mention pre take off chocolate )
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY!
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
I just flew TLV-LAX on LY F and EWR-TLV on UA J.
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY! (not only for elal)
I felt like in LH F about the service, the food was excellent, everything kosher, real proper food.
But I found it funny that there isn't anywhere to put your stuff.
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
The seat maybe isn't like LH but in F they put down a mattress
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.
I have a friend that flies LY F every week, to NY or to HKG.
He told me if I will get "Motti Lavi" as the head cabin crew on my flight I will be in good hands.
And guess who I got? I came on the plane someone greets me right away and I looked on his tag - "Motti Lavi" I asked if he knows my friend, he told me sure, he's a TOP PL...I should send regards, I took a picture with him in the end of the flight to show my friend.
Motti went out of his way a few times for me, I liked it very much.
UA J
I had to ask 3 times to take my coat and they forgot to bring it to me when landing, only when everyone was leaving the plane they came with it.
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
I've said this many times before on DDFHave never been on LY F or J. I've boycotted them for years based on personal experience in Y.
For the Kashrus-Observant, hard to beat LY F on a long flight
He meant the middle section.
Like AA? :(
I just hope they partner up one day with someone that it will cheaper then matmid.
What's going on?!?!Yup, Non biased people who actually flew LY J/F.
People talking positively about El Al?
:o ??? ::) :P
What's going on?!?!+1, Rubbing my eyes..
People talking positively about El Al?
:o ??? ::) :P
Right it was 2-2-2 http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/El_Al/El_Al_Boeing_777-200_B.phpDid you care about Kashrus/Hashgocho on those hot pastries and melted chocolate, or was it just part of their standard?
When I finished the main course they brought me warm pastries from the oven and a chocolate cake with melted chocolate running.
I just hope they partner up one day with someone that it will cheaper then matmid.
To be perfectly fair, I've always had a pleasant flight with El Al, even in economy. Their 747s are nice and big, and the food is very decent (though I still can't remember to eat the pita with my hummus until it's halfway gone).I don't choose an airline by the food (I bring my own or figure out something, I can last a day without the best food] or by the size of their planes (though unless flying J or F, a 747/A380 is a disadvantage IMHO, as there are simply more passengers and luggage, which result in longer lines).
I don't choose an airline by the food (I bring my own or figure out something, I can last a day without the best food] or by the size of their planes (though unless flying J or F, a 747/A380 is a disadvantage IMHO, as there are simply more passengers and luggage, which result in longer lines).
What's important with an airline is that it gets me safely and comfortably from point A to point B, while treating me in a decent manner, and owning up to mess ups when they happen. [opportunity for free travel is a nice perk with some weight).
In MY experience, ELAL fails miserably (in Y) on both comfort (they are known to pack more rows than most other airlines, no lie flats in J) and service (Israeli arrogant style). FF program leaves a lot to be desired, though I can't say it never came in handy with family members.
I find the 747 to be fine in economy, and got a free flight out of them because of a delay. And yes, having good food and not being forced to schlep your own makes a big difference.Wow. Given this:
I'm size 13 3E.I would have thought you are vertically challenged (aka pretty tall) which would strike me as a real surprise to find LY economy comfortable (unless you always get the row at the exit door).
Did you care about Kashrus/Hashgocho on those hot pastries and melted chocolate, or was it just part of their standard?
The main problem with LY F is their beds.
They are extremly not comfortable.
You won't get a good night sleep like you would on most of the European and Asian carries.
Wow. Given this: I would have thought you are vertically challenged (aka pretty tall) which would strike me as a real surprise to find LY economy comfortable (unless you always get the row at the exit door).
Im lost trying to understand the whole food discussion on LY. For those of us that keep Kosher, "Special Kosher" meals ex-NYC is standard Regal!
Im lost trying to understand the whole food discussion on LY. For those of us that keep Kosher, "Special Kosher" meals ex-NYC is standard Regal!
I flew ex TLV. and I ordered כשר למהדריןEx-NYC is Def the standard Regal meal that every other airline serves. (when you go into your booking to order the meals, they changed the option from "strictly Kosher" to "Regal")
I don't know how it works ex NYC.
Ex-NYC is Def the standard Regal meal that every other airline serves. (when you go into your booking to order the meals, they changed the option from "strictly Kosher" to "Regal")
No, its not. It's generally the same meal they are serving for the reg kosher except you don't get as many options. It's also usually fresh as opposed to the frozen that you'd get on LH/AA etcNot IME, IIRC...
Ex-TLV it's not the standard pre-packaged Badatz?
Do you call this standard?I was asking, not stating.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/akdq41xm0tieypj/AADvVsphTmtNbCAoHC1Kz_H5a?dl=0
chopped liver...
Breakfast they gave a YELLOW egg + shakshuka + latkas
Im lost trying to understand the whole food discussion on LY. For those of us that keep Kosher, "Special Kosher" meals ex-NYC is standard Regal!The difference being that ELAL also allows you to specify "Special Kosher Fish" or "Special Kosher Vegetarian" IIANM. Whereas other airlines will just have one KSML.
The difference being that ELAL also allows you to specify "Special Kosher Fish" or "Special Kosher Vegetarian" IIANM. Whereas other airlines will just have one KSML.But its still Regal, so whats the difference if its inedible fish, or inedible meat?
This came with the strictly kosher mealEX-TLV you have DL and UA with a night flight arriving NYC in early AM with lie-flat beds. DL TLV-NYC was the best sleep experience I've ever had (followed by AA TLV-PHL עליו השלום).
But elal has the best timing, I left 1am and landed in lax at 6am so easier to sleep.
I did a few times LH F, their flights leave early morning that means only few hours sleep at night you come to the airport in middle if your sleep, you get on to a small plane those seats are narrower then any economy that flies direct to NY, you fly 4 hours in a terrible economy.
And when traveling NYC-TLV. I had a flight once 6pm (on the old 747 seat with bed) but didn't sleep a thing I wasn't tired that time of day.NYC-TLV only LY and UA have an early afternoon flight that works decently (under the circumstances of travel time and time differences) on this route. DL had a flight for a while, but they are axing it. Otherwise I would probably try LX (or occasionally TK) for a wide body connection in Europe to TLV.
Then on the next flight I was exhausted because it was already midnight for me and slept on those small economy seats head falling from side to side.
But its still Regal, so whats the difference if its inedible fish, or inedible meat?LOL. I never said regal is edible. Just pointed out that there is a technical difference.
LOL. I never said regal is edible. Just pointed out that there is a technical difference.Lol. Okay.
I never had an issue with Regal meals. Maybe I'm just not a picky eater, but they're very decent.You must be a very not picky eater
You must be a very not picky eaterDefinitely okay with that. I still appreciate good food.
TLV-BKK-TLV may have been the best KSML I ever had.Any pics?
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.Elal really is "Not just an airline, it's Israel" and the attitude I got on Elal (in Y but that's no excuse to treat your costumers like s**t) was unbelievable. Iv'e seen FA's refuse to help a 70ish year old woman with her carry on cause there "busy".
UA JIncredible comment, downright disgusting!
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
Incredible comment, downright disgusting!+1000
FYI I feel like those scary "dark skinned and more on the bigger side" people you mentioned have more respect for my religious needs then the Israeli FA's on Elal that have an attitude of: "don't tell us what's Kosher, we know better then you"
Elal really is "Not just an airline, it's Israel" and the attitude I got on Elal (in Y but that's no excuse to treat your costumers like s**t) was unbelievable. Iv'e seen FA's refuse to help a 70ish year old woman with her carry on cause there "busy".+1
I don't know about the F cabin FA's but my impression is that a lot of the Y FA's are young Israelis that signed up to "see the world" and have a good time and that the passengers are just a means to that end and treated as such.
Israeli service in general is very low compared to European or American standards but at least in a restaurant, the waiter hopes for a tip and tries to treat you well. On Elal, no FA is expecting you to tip them and they don't lose anything by giving you bad service.
Incredible comment, downright disgusting!
FYI I feel like those scary "dark skinned and more on the bigger side" people you mentioned have more respect for my religious needs then the Israeli FA's on Elal that have an attitude of: "don't tell us what's Kosher, we know better then you"
Hmmm.. since when does UA give you a choice of strictly kosher appetizers?
How much is internet in flight from Newark-Jfk to Tlv?Dont think there is.
Dont think there is.I'll confirm that there isn't. But the food is much better than what you'll get anywhere else.
3 Reasons I Haven抰 Reviewed EL AL Yetmohamed says:
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I am flying elal and I dont have a matmid account. is it worth opening for 1 flight? Can I earn miles on a different airline with this flight?Check if you can still open one for free. http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38687
I am flying elal and I dont have a matmid account. is it worth opening for 1 flight? Can I earn miles on a different airline with this flight?Points wise the program is not good. The only reason it might pay is if they are overbooked you have a chance to get bumped to BC
Will United check my bags through all the way to a connecting EL AL flight?most likely not
Not sure this is the best thread for this question (better in ex-TLV?), but here goes:I don't fly ELAL so I can't speak of them.
I need to travel BOS - TLV for a meeting in late January.
I am going to see if I can get the trip paid for in J.
How lame is El Al's J on the 767? The "angled lie-flat" is ... not so bad? ... pathetic? ... worth flying through YYZ or IST if I can get a comparably priced flight?
Thanks.
I don't fly ELAL so I can't speak of them.That's really helpful -- not at all what I had in mind.
Both YYZ and IST are huge airports, so expect long walks between gates for your connections.
I'm unfamiliar with the AC J hard product, but the TK hard product isn't as good as the DL product (if you can get a comparable price connecting on DL via JFK, that would be my first choice, you might also like UA via connecting via EWR).
That's really helpful -- not at all what I had in mind.DL J TLV-JFK is wonderful!
I have flown TLV-YYZ-BOS, so I am aware of the walking. I don't mind that. I flew in Y, which wasn't bad, but imagine the J is great. I'm very curious about TK J.
I was/am under the impression that the soft product on the American carriers (maybe just applies to UA and AA?) really stink, so I wouldn't want to fly UA via EWR, but maybe the hard product makes up for the soft product.
I will take a look at the DL flight via JFK.
Thanks very much.
Not sure what all the hype is about TK. The only time I flew TK J was connecting from PG J and it definitely felt like a downgrade
For the no-kosher consumer it seems like TK J meal service is amazing. My KSML looked like an economy meal with a sticker that said business.
Layout is 2-2-2 on their North America to IST route. And depending on your connection you will either get a widebody or a narrow for the IST-TLV route. You will NOT get an all-night flight back to the US arriving in the early AM on anything but DL, UA or LY.
Not sure what all the hype is about TK. The only time I flew TK J was connecting from PG J and it definitely felt like a downgrade
DL J TLV-JFK is wonderful!
For the no-kosher consumer it seems like TK J meal service is amazing. My KSML looked like an economy meal with a sticker that said business.
Layout is 2-2-2 on their North America to IST route. And depending on your connection you will either get a widebody or a narrow for the IST-TLV route. You will NOT get an all-night flight back to the US arriving in the early AM on anything but DL, UA or LY.
Not sure what all the hype is about TK. The only time I flew TK J was connecting from PG J and it definitely felt like a downgradeDid you mean to say TG?
Did you mean to say TG?My bad. I did mean TG
Never flown TG but from what I hear about them TK must definitely be a downgrade.
I am not hyping TK. My personal experience with them was less than optimal. I think the hype is about the TK Y compared to other airlines in Y into TLV.
That being said, $1700 for RT in TK J (BF sale) JFK-TLV is very good value IMO.
Helpful. Coupled with DW's admonition, this info makes it much easier to forget about TK for a while. I hadn't thought about sleeping on the way back but that sounds like an interesting approach. Thank you.That is where the real value of J lies (pun intended), the ability to arrive somewhat rested and able to function.
My bad. I did mean TGWell, you don't expect to compare an Asian airline to a European one. (TK considers themselves European).
Did you mean to say TG?TK BF sale long dead, right?
Never flown TG but from what I hear about them TK must definitely be a downgrade.
I am not hyping TK. My personal experience with them was less than optimal. I think the hype is about the TK Y compared to other airlines in Y into TLV.
That being said, $1700 for RT in TK J (BF sale) JFK-TLV is very good value IMO.
That is where the real value of J lies (pun intended), the ability to arrive somewhat rested and able to function.Yup. My wife did a solid 9 hours BKK-CDG and even I got 5-6 (I usually can't sleep on planes, even in business I have a very hard time)
Well, you don't expect to compare an Asian airline to a European one. (TK considers themselves European).I'm not necessarily comparing TK to TG.
TK BF sale long dead, right?Correct.
I'm not necessarily comparing TK to TG.Couldn't have said that better.
I just felt underwhelmed by the whole TK experience. Wasn't blown away by the lounge, didn't think the seat was amazing and it's annoying not to have aisle access, service was ok and meal wasn't great.
I'd still take them over LY any day
This would be nice.....when it happensVery amateurishly written, and misses their real problem (which is their corporate culture/DNA). As long as they focus on the wrong issues, they will continue to lose (though a fleet upgrade will mitigate to an extent).
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-airlines-elal-idUSKBN144128?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=585271d704d30140093bcead&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Very amateurishly written, and misses their real problem (which is their corporate culture/DNA). As long as they focus on the wrong issues, they will continue to lose (though a fleet upgrade will mitigate to an extent).+1
+1That needs to start all the way at the top. It's not a training issue, it's a corporate culture issue.
Someone who flew Hainan to Beijing on a brand new A330 or Cathy to Hong Kong on a brand new A350 might return to ELAL if they get new planes but ONLY if they start training their staff to provide service in a way that you don't feel like they are doing you a favor after you spent double to fly with them!!!
That needs to start all the way at the top. It's not a training issue, it's a corporate culture issue.Correct but it is also a training and hiring issue.
The last time I flew Elal, I kept calming myself down by saying to myself: "You decided to fly Elal and you knew what you were getting yourself into"
(It was the only available flight and the first time I flew them in 6 years)
Other airlines have plenty of middle aged FA's who have been doing the job for 5, 10, 20 years and view it as a real profession.I take it you only flew on American based airlines.
I take it you only flew on American based airlines.Probably has to do with younger generation speaking much better english
Can barely find an Asian FA of marriageable age.
Probably has to do with younger generation speaking much better englishNot a chance.
Correct but it is also a training and hiring issue.ELAL has been on my do-not-fly list since February 2000, so I don't have any recent experience.
Did you ever notice that there are almost no middle age people in the Israeli service industry? It's mostly high school or collage age people who are only working in that job until they move on to something better. They feel like they don't really have to treat you well since they are planing on moving on soon.
Did you ever see a 45 year old FA in Elal coach? Other airlines have plenty of middle aged FA's who have been doing the job for 5, 10, 20 years and view it as a real profession.
+1
Someone who flew Hainan to Beijing on a brand new A330 or Cathy to Hong Kong on a brand new A350 might return to ELAL if they get new planes but ONLY if they start training their staff to provide service in a way that you don't feel like they are doing you a favor after you spent double to fly with them!!!
But this is exactly the country your flying to. When you walk into any store in Israel you get the feeling like your doing them the favor.....Its a culture thing and the only way to change is for them to hire Asian FA :)Which might be a contributing factor in me not flying there other than for family reasons ;) (which in recent years have become more frequent).
But this is exactly the country your flying to. When you walk into any store in Israel you get the feeling like your doing them the favor.....Its a culture thing and the only way to change is for them to hire Asian FA :)Nothing captures it better than: It's not just the airline, it's Israel!
Nothing captures it better than: It's not just the airline, it's Israel!I always say El Al's motto should be tweaked to: It's not an airline, it's Israel.
I always say El Al's motto should be tweaked to: It's not an airline, it's Israel.Said like a real Yekke ;)
Whats up with that emergency landing tonight, was there really an engine fire?I was looking for a thread on that.
No. LY does not have premium economy buckets. They sell everything as economy and you can purchase at extra cost economy plus. Same way UA works.
I am flying in/out of BOSTON on El Al soon. I do not think there is seat back entertainment on their 767's. Anyone flown that route recently to confirm? Do they have streaming on those planes (like they say on their website) and if so does it actually work?
Daughter just got back from Israel in Nov on the TLV-BOS flight. She just confirmed that in Y there is no seatback entertainment. There are small cathode-ray tube-type television monitors in the aisles but she said they were too small to see anything. IIRC, in J, they provide iPads. She said the FAs didn't inform them of any ability to stream on their own devices. Are you sure you have to fly on El Al??? :)Yup- booked :). Wonder if the Nov flight was the Spanish leased flight? El Al's website and in-flight magazine mention streaming. I need to have faith......
Yup- booked :). Wonder if the Nov flight was the Spanish leased flight? El Al's website and in-flight magazine mention streaming. I need to have faith......No, neither her August nor her Nov flights was Spanish leased. I suppose it's possible they fly more than one plane on that route. I just always figured it was the same 767 back and forth.
I flew BOS-TLV and it actually did have streaming -- so maybe the equipment isn't always the same? This was over a year ago...THANKS- I'll be sure to pack my book !
ElAl gets crowned #1 for most delayed flights in 2016 - http://www.pointswithacrew.com/5-airlines-avoid-want-arrive-time/#_ga=1.268684468.450787049.1470357631Wow! He has a very strong argument that he concludes with over there.
The funniest thing about this is El Al's slogan on their boarding pass. Did anyone ever notice?If you're referring to the statement about departing on time, it's very common for airlines to mention on time departure and gate closing times on their BPs. I don't think that's their slogan in any way.
Which might be a contributing factor in me not flying there other than for family reasons ;) (which in recent years have become more frequent).Here's someone else who feels there's a problem with ELAL management (or company culture).
Also, how about hire a different CEO (of the Gordon Bethune type). As they say in Hebrew הדג מסריח מהראש!
"the carrier is slowly starting to invest in contemporary design touches that are piece by piece, changing the image of the carrier"
What a joke! They are still flying planes from the 80's and 90's but think that if they change the look of the breakfast try it will help them to stop bleeding costumers.
"the carrier is slowly starting to invest in contemporary design touches that are piece by piece, changing the image of the carrier"Maybe I'm misinformed but which planes in their fleet are from the 80s? Also age of actual plane isn't as relevant in their image. Which LY plane is older than Air Force One?
What a joke! They are still flying planes from the 80's and 90's but think that if they change the look of the breakfast try it will help them to stop bleeding costumers.
Maybe I'm misinformed but which planes in their fleet are from the 80s? Also age of actual plane isn't as relevant in their image. Which LY plane is older than Air Force One?Maybe I rounded. Down a bit :D
Air Force One should be capitalized.over how many years? 27.5?
https://www.elal.com/en/More-Info/Pages/hp/In-Flight-Services.aspxWhat flights is it offered on as of now ?
About time they enabled WiFi. Free for the time being. Not all flights.
HT:Chaikel
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4945320,00.htmlA ripped blanket on an LY flight?
Has anyone seen these?
A ripped blanket on an LY flight?
What flights is it offered on as of now ?The service is available on our 767 fleet and is offered on flights to/from Boston, Toronto, Mumbai, Beijing, Johannesburg and on some of our flights to/from Bangkok, as well as on some flights to/from select destinations in Europe. Likewise, the service is available on our 737 fleet and is offered on flights to/from select destinations in Europe.
Any compensation I can get for Elal switching from their normal plane to a plane from Hi Fly?Did you arrive safely?
Ridiculous that they don't offer one way flights. What century are they in?why would you want a one way international flight. It will be more expensive than a round trip. Just book a RT and throw out the leg you do not need
Ridiculous that they don't offer one way flights. What century are they in?
why would you want a one way international flight. It will be more expensive than a round trip. Just book a RT and throw out the leg you do not needLet me rephrase, they do it's just $300 more than a one around trip
Which airline does? (Not domestic and not LCC)I book Swiss, lh, ua, Austrian with points all the time. Truth is I don't know if they sell one way because I never pay cash, but El Al points isn't an eitza either...
Let me rephrase, they do it's just $300 more than a one around tripI book Swiss, lh, ua, Austrian with points all the time. Truth is I don't know if they sell one way because I never pay cash, but El Al points isn't an eitza either...those airlines will all be the same for cash bookings. And there are lots of airlines that only allow RT redemptions and not only one way
I am flying with my family (2 small children) from YYZ to TLV on Elal. They fly the 767, and it is supposed to be a less than stellar experience. I was wondering if anyone has had success getting upgraded on Elal just by asking nicely, and if you have a contact that you have reached out to? I know this is probably an insane question, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask.
Thanks in advance!
I booked 2 tickets on ELAL through amex travel however there is no seats selected on my booking info and no option for me to choose what should I do (phone takes very long) ANY ADVICE?You just got to wait on hold. Thank you for choosing ElAl and now shut up lol
You just got to wait on hold. Thank you for choosing ElAl and now shut up lolAnd hear over and over אלעל הכי בבית בעולם!
And hear over and over אלעל הכי בבית בעולם!nuu Kol isha!! now i can't get that banshee's song out of my head.
I booked 2 tickets on ELAL through amex travel however there is no seats selected on my booking info and no option for me to choose what should I do (phone takes very long) ANY ADVICE?
nuu Kol isha!! now i can't get that banshee's song out of my head.
Coming from someone with a name like shiframeir. ;)im not kol isha, just chatzi-isha :)
Does anyone know a contact number for elal customer service? Their 180023006700 doesn't seem to work.
elal customer serviceWhat's that?
From Google 1 (800) 223-6700.thats the one I've been trying for some dozen times but doesn't seem to work :(
What's that?lol :)
Why doesn't ElAl offer connecting flights to Europe/Asia via TLV on their own metal?
Why doesn't ElAl offer connecting flights to Europe/Asia via TLV on their own metal?Elal survives with their O/D traffic, they don't need hub transfers, unlike most other airlines
Elal survives with their O/D traffic, they don't need hub transfers, unlike most other airlinesThey even fill their planes like that with poor service. Why would someone pay a premium for the special Israeli service?
I guess it depends on where you're coming from, but there are usually plenty of more direct ways to get to those places. Assuming you're starting from the US, why would you want to add a number of hours and transfer in TLV?Connecting flights times can change. IMO, TLV is an easy Airport to navigate compared to European airports.
Elal survives with their O/D traffic, they don't need hub transfers, unlike most other airlinesTrue. However it can increase revenue and fill planes during low season.
True. However it can increase revenue and fill planes during low season.
Again, its out of the way.Agreed. But people fly SU to various destinations and connected in SVO even though it is out of the way.
They offer thru fares to JNB & BKKRealy? Because I remember askingif LY allows stopovers in TLV when flying to HKG and was told no. Interesting that you can do that to JNB and BKK.
Realy? Because I remember askingif LY allows stopovers in TLV when flying to HKG and was told no. Interesting that you can do that to JNB and BKK.
Fare rules usually have a MPM - and NYC>TLV>HKG I guess is way over, same reason CX doesn't have a fare NYC>HKG>TLV & KE NYC>ICN>TLVFor KE it would actually make a lot of sense to code share with AF/KL/AZ and Air Europa via TLV.
El Al ranked dirtiest, noisiest airline at Heathrow (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-ranked-dirtiest-noisiest-airline-at-heathrow-1001192854)We're #1! We're #1!...
El Al ranked dirtiest, noisiest airline at Heathrow (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-ranked-dirtiest-noisiest-airline-at-heathrow-1001192854)Do consumers really care about how green an airline is?
Do consumers really care about how green an airline is?most probably the people who add the $7.62 for co2 offset on tickets
What is the fare class for LY first class points tickets?P
Has anyone had success upgrading a regular discount economy ticket to a premium economy (and how much)? I tried and was shot down with them saying its a totally different class and not like the old economy plus upgrade, wondering if its worth it to huca. Would think if i paid the difference in current price they should give it, but they didnt budge...
Whats the best seat for an overnight to YYZ?
c- as the subject line!Sorry I missed that. I like the D and G, as both have aisle access. So you won't be bothered or have to go over someone else if you want to go around
Sorry I missed that. I like the D and G, as both have aisle access. So you won't be bothered or have to go over someone else if you want to go around
which row?
does the traffic bother you on the narrow plane?
Has anyone had success upgrading a regular discount economy ticket to a premium economy (and how much)? I tried and was shot down with them saying its a totally different class and not like the old economy plus upgrade, wondering if its worth it to huca. Would think if i paid the difference in current price they should give it, but they didnt budge...
11 and 12.
There is not much traffic, especially on red eyes. But the seats are narrower than on their other wide body jets
IPADSI think only in J
Anyone taken the ElAl flight from TLV to Boston? Is there entertainment system any good? I haven't flown them in years. My flight to TLV from JFK had me feeling like I was back in the 90s.Took the 767 earlier this year. Older plane, no seat-back entertainment. They have an app to stream movies etc (free) - not sure how well that works.
Have you logged into your itinerary to see if you have "plusgrade" offer (bidding for an upgrade)?alas, nothing :( gonna have to just hunker down in a smaller elal seat (but with better video hopefully) in coach.
Anyone know about how much it would cost for me to upgrade a ticket from economy to j the day of the flight ? Just one leg of the round trip. Tlv to NYC todayDepends on what class its booked in.
Anyone know about how much it would cost for me to upgrade a ticket from economy to j the day of the flight ? Just one leg of the round trip. Tlv to NYC today
Anyone know about how much it would cost for me to upgrade a ticket from economy to j the day of the flight ? Just one leg of the round trip. Tlv to NYC todayby checkin I was offered a few times for $800
does anyone know if the ELAL planes from EWR to TLV have Wifi?Not yet.
does anyone know if the ELAL planes from EWR to TLV have Wifi?They dont.
Anyone know if PE or being a gold member will get me priority security in EWR?
PG and LY announce codeshareDoes that mean it's more likely TG will stay direct flights to Israel
http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news18/212-PGELAL.shtml
any idea why the 7;15 pm elal flight tlv-jfk disappeared from my options, saw it till a few days ago (sunday may 6)Dont cross post
Any recent DPs in hand baggage weighing ex-JFK?
Why is the UP brand being merged with EL AL?
In light of UP`s success and the experience we have gained with this brand, we decided to unite all European destinations under one brand, EL AL, as we adapt our service to the diverse needs of the Israeli consumer and review all of our European destinations.
Is there anyway to select seats on ELAL? It seems like their site is broken. Can I pull up the reservation on a different partner airline and change the seats from there? For some reason one of the pax on the reservation instead of having the seat selected for him, it says unspecified. When I click on it, it doesn't fully loaded the seat map.. Is there any TA who would be willing to assist?PUTPAC!
Thanks!
PUTPAC!Thanks! Personal experience?
Thanks! Personal experience?
Thanks! Personal experience?Yes
Does LY always offer the same day onboard business class upgrade for $700-$800?
What if the regular fare was booked with points?
Thanks
I've never booked an ElAl award flight. How are they with availability from NY to TLV generally? CoachPretty good.
LY just changed the equipment on BOS-TLV in November.Not squishy at all, its a 3-3-3 configuration and most airlines have 3-4-3.
Was 767
Now 772
Is this an upgrade or a downgrade?
Newer plane but more squishy (in Y)?
Not squishy at all, its a 3-3-3 configuration and most airlines have 3-4-3.What choice do they have since they are retiring their 767?
I don't understand how they plan on filling up a 777 when the're having a hard time with the 767.
Not squishy at all, its a 3-3-3 configuration and most airlines have 3-4-3.Right. Thanks. Maybe it's a transitional move until they can get enough 787s to include this route?
I don't understand how they plan on filling up a 777 when the're having a hard time with the 767.
Right. Thanks. Maybe it's a transitional move until they can get enough 787s to include this route?Because these seats actually have much more room
Why would Exit Row window seats (45A and 45K) be free, but the other seats in that row (45B,C and 45IJ) cost $110 apiece?
Because these seats actually have much more roomThanks. The seat map you sent shows the 767. SeatGuru hasn't updated this flight yet, but I see that LY has two versions of the 772. The reviews of 45A and 45K (the window seats in the exit row) say something about the legroom being compromised by the wing. Maybe I should avoid them? Free is not always a good value...
See LY's seat map https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/About-ELAL/EL%20AL%20Planes/767.pdf
Thanks. The seat map you sent shows the 767. SeatGuru hasn't updated this flight yet, but I see that LY has two versions of the 772. The reviews of 45A and 45K (the window seats in the exit row) say something about the legroom being compromised by the wing. Maybe I should avoid them? Free is not always a good value...Sorry, correct link here https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionImages/ELAL_planes/SeatingMap/777/7205-3249=777%20Seating02.15.jpg
Sorry, correct link here https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionImages/ELAL_planes/SeatingMap/777/7205-3249=777%20Seating02.15.jpgThat's cool. Thanks. I can see the red door protruding on the map you provided.
On Jul 11, there's a 747 on schedule to JFK and no scheduled flight to return? Anyone have a clue? Are they retiring the plane in the US?On a recent daytime takeoff from TLV I noticed 4 or 5 old 747 strewn around the airport. I thought it was quite odd. They used to say that one was there for crew training, and one was there for special operations training in case of hijack, but there are definitely more than 2 laying around there.
On a recent daytime takeoff from TLV I noticed 4 or 5 old 747 strewn around the airport. I thought it was quite odd. They used to say that one was there for crew training, and one was there for special operations training in case of hijack, but there are definitely more than 2 laying around there.
Interesting. According to the Elal website, there are 4 747-400 in service plus 1 cargo plane. Even that sounds low since I believe there are 2 daily flights from JFK in a 747, and I know they have at least one where there's no F class, and J is only upstairs (I was on that once from BCN). Now if you say there are 4-5 more not in use, that's very strange.All 747's currently in service have F class
All 747's currently in service have F classI guess they retired them then. Which maybe some of the ones floating around TLV.
Interesting. According to the Elal website, there are 4 747-400 in service plus 1 cargo plane. Even that sounds low since I believe there are 2 daily flights from JFK in a 747, and I know they have at least one where there's no F class, and J is only upstairs (I was on that once from BCN). Now if you say there are 4-5 more not in use, that's very strange.Those strewn around the airport look ancient. Definitely have not been in service in the last 5 years.
@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: EL AL CEO says anyone who refuses to sit next to another passenger will be removed from flight, following incident involving frum person....What's the story he is referring too?
What's the story he is referring too?no idea!
What's the story he is referring too?
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/el-al/el-al-ceo-refusing-sit-next-another-passenger-will-result-immediate-ejection-plane/ (https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/el-al/el-al-ceo-refusing-sit-next-another-passenger-will-result-immediate-ejection-plane/)credits to @ExGingi
Have to agree with dan on this maybe we should have rows reserved for those people that are bothered by that...
@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: EL AL CEO says anyone who refuses to sit next to another passenger will be removed from flight, following incident involving frum person....wow gr8 maybe the departure delays will finally stop!
credits to @ExGingiWhere's my HT?
Where's my HT?
Though I also added possible solutions (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93380.msg1948789#msg1948789) for the "smart-Alecs" described in the post (but can understand why it had to be censored out of DDMS just like ChaimMoskowitz was substituted by Smart-Alecs ;) )
All of that being said, I am surprised that @Dan, listing Hebrew as #2 on fluency (and English as #1! (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=51056.msg1945768#msg1945768)), couldn't come up with a better translation to the ELAL CEO post? I think at this point even @ChaimMoskowitz knows better than using Google Translate, and might have come up with a version that doesn't read like a product of Sergei Brinn's AI.
If you have something better than post it rather than just being a critic.
למען הסר ספק הוריתי היום על חידוד הנהלים בנושא ולהבא נוסע שייסרב לשבת ליד נוסע אחר יורד באופן מיידי מהטיסה
Roughly translated, 揊or the avoidance of doubt, I ordered today the strengthening of these procedures and from now on, any passenger that refuses to sit next to someone will be immediately ejected from the plane.
And now at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna886521
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1545462/again-chareidi-passengers-cause-flight-delay-after-insisting-on-moving-seats-away-from-a-woman.html
http://matzav.com/el-al-ceo-passengers-who-refuse-seat-partners-will-be-removed-from-flights/
I just want to wait for elal to have to decide to forcibly remove someone from the plane and have a Dr. Dau situation.From claiming they will do so, to actually doing so, is a long way
If you have something better than post it rather than just being a critic.Was initially going to do so, but gave up as I was on a small touch screen at the time. Will get to it soon, unless someone beats me to it.
Was initially going to do so, but gave up as I was on a small touch screen at the time. Will get to it soon, unless someone beats me to it.Meh.
ETA:
Someone did comment on DDMS about a more accurate translation of חידוד הנהלים.
Here's how I might have worded it:
"...To avoid any doubt [in regards to our non-discrimination policies], I have issued a directive clarifying our procedures relating to this topic [non-discrimination], and from now on..."
I feel that adding the words in brackets is necessary as this is just the last sentence of his statement.
And now at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna886521
Although according to them it happened Friday night
I assume there is no way to do Online check in on a flight that's less than 3 hours after shabbos?Check in for Motzei Shabbos flights opens Friday afternoon (36 hours before?).
Probably worthy of a new thread
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001244431
Elal chairman asks reporter if it's worth sacrificing 6000 employess so that tickets to India will cost $200 less
Check in for Motzei Shabbos flights opens Friday afternoon (36 hours before?).still.no go
Check in for Motzei Shabbos flights opens Friday afternoon (36 hours before?).Ex-TLV only, no?
Ex-TLV only, no?oh why would that be
Ex-TLV only, no?Apparently.
oh why would that beMaybe try the Israeli site elal.co.il
Reporter: ? מי בכלל טס איתכם
I would like to fly EWR-TLV and as of now there are no PE available for that day in November. Do these normally open up?Is it a 787?
I would like to fly EWR-TLV and as of now there are no PE available for that day in November. Do these normally open up?IME, before I booked I checked every day for a few weeks nothing opened up. And I even checked after I booked, and nothin. But maybe you'll be lucky.
I would like to fly EWR-TLV and as of now there are no PE available for that day in November. Do these normally open up?There is available space in PE on EVERY SINGLE flight from EWR this coming Nov. And if you're referring to award space, there are only 4 dates in Nov that don't have award space in PE from EWR. The rest of the month is wide open.
There is available space in PE on EVERY SINGLE flight from EWR this coming Nov. And if you're referring to award space, there are only 4 dates in Nov that don't have award space in PE from EWR. The rest of the month is wide open.
Not sure where you're searching.
Sorry , yes I am trying to use an award do these open up sometimes?Sometimes
Sounds like flying United SFO TLV is better than LY. I think United shkuld add a 1 PM flight and cancel the LY balagan flight and bring fares down.LY picked a losing battle with SFO.
LY picked a losing battle with SFO.LY pulling out of SFO, will not cause fares to drop.
United should add 3 more daily flights from both SFO and EWR so that fares could be rock bottom.
LY pulling out of SFO, will not cause fares to drop.There were two separate, and distinct parts to my post. First sentence was serious, second was sarcastic.
מספיק שלא נותנים לי להצטרף לאף ברית של חברות תעופה כי יושבות שם חברות ערביות.
Interesting sentence that I noticed in this article. This must be the answer to the million dollar question of why El Al isn't part of any of the 3 big alliances.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001244431Quoteמספיק שלא נותנים לי להצטרף לאף ברית של חברות תעופה כי יושבות שם חברות ערביות.
Egypt Air probably doesn't have much leverage either way.
Just an excuse. Only Arab airline in Star Alliance is Egypt Air, and with Egypt Israel has a peace treaty.
Egypt Air probably doesn't have much leverage either way.TK aren't Arab.
Maybe TK doesn't like it?
@Dan Did this come up in your conversation with LY?
TK aren't Arab.I don't know if TK is able to stop them or not, but it's no secret that TK and LY hate each other. El Al cannot stomach the fact that TK is allowed to fly into Israel, while El Al isn't allowed to fly into Istanbul (which I agree isn't very fair). And TK has 9 daily nonstop flights to TLV so they can fight El Al on almost every route with cheap connection options. They're even adding a tenth daily flight now.
I don't know the mechanics or politics of how alliances function, and whether TK could block LY from joining StarAlliance. I doubt TK sees LY as a threat on connecting flights, there's just no comparison when it comes to the network size and reach.
אבל מי קהל היעד? מי ההארד קור?
"אני אגיד לכן מי לא: אני לא יכול להתמודד עם חברה כמו טורקיש, שלוקחת אנשים מישראל, שמה אותם בהאב ומטיסה אותם לארצות-הברית, כל החבילה ב-700 דולר. אנחנו לא מסוגלים כי לא נותנים לאל-על לנחות באיסטנבול. בטיסות הישירות, פוינט טו פוינט, אנו מתמודדים מול כל החברות".
המחירים של אל-על ירדו בהתאמה למחירים של החברות האלה?
"אל-על הפחיתה מחירים ומנסה להתחרות, היא לא מצליחה להגיע אחד לאחד בחלק מהנתיבים, בטח במזרח. אבל לא מולן אני מתמודד, אלא מול דלתא ומול יונייטד (הטיסות לניו-יורק, הקו הרווחי ביותר של אל-על). יש בסוף עלויות לחברה מערבית שלא נתמכת על-ידי המדינה, ועם זה אנו מתמודדים".
I don't know if TK is able to stop them or not, but it's no secret that TK and LY hate each other. El Al cannot stomach the fact that TK is allowed to fly into Israel, while El Al isn't allowed to fly into Istanbul (which I agree isn't very fair). And TK has 9 daily nonstop flights to TLV so they can fight El Al on almost every route with cheap connection options. They're even adding a tenth daily flight now.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-turkish-airlines-adding-tenth-daily-flight-from-tel-aviv-1001245958
I don't believe there is any other carrier that has even half that amount of daily flights into TLV from a single destination.
El Al is pretty verbal about it too, as mentioned in the above article
על-פי המתוכנן, בשלב הבא מתכוונת אל-על להפוך את נתב"ג ל"האב", ולהטיס אליו באמצעות חברת אטלס ג'ט תיירים טורקיים שיגיעו מאיסטנבול לנתב"ג, וימשיכו מכאן בטיסות אל-על ליעדים דוגמת ארה"ב או המזרח הרחוק, שאליהם לא טסה אטלס ג'ט.
Seriously? LY is hoping that TLV should become a hub for Turkish travelers that would flock to Atlas for flights to points served by LY? ::) ::) ::) ::)I don't think Turkish was in 2009 what it is today
I don't think Turkish was in 2009 what it is todayTriple the passengers, triple the fleet size and about double the destinations.
I don't think Turkish was in 2009 what it is todayI think you might have misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn抰 referring to TK passengers when I wrote 揟urkish travelers, but rather I was quoting the article that was talking about ELAL hoping that tourists originating from Turkey, wanting to travel on Atlas, would have access to LY抯 network.
Currently there are no award tickets available to premium economy when i want to go. I I book an award economy ticket will I be able to upgrade that to premium economy if it open up and how many points will it cost?No, you'll need to cancel and book the PE.
I tried to find if it has been talked about but could not find it sorry if its a repostFTFY
I am flying first time ELAL 747 (normally go United) and according to Seat Guru 35K is very good as there is no seat in front and it has a window? Am I missing something it seems pretty good? Can i get out without going over the other two people in my row?
FTFYThat's right.
I believe it's a very good seat. But it cost $$ IINM
LY8 from JFK - TLV 11:45pm, showing on FlightAware that it left at 1:19am which is 1hour 34 min late now showing that it抯 landing at 8:57pm which is almost 4 hours later than originally scheduled. How does that make sense?It's a mistake. Scheduled to land about 5:35pm Even according to FlightAware the map shows it nearly approaching IL
It's a mistake. Scheduled to land about 5:35pm Even according to FlightAware the map shows it nearly approaching IL
It's a mistake. Scheduled to land about 5:35pm Even according to FlightAware the map shows it nearly approaching IL
How can I see exactly when they抮e landing? Still looks like they抮e in the air.Only accurate way is FlightRadar24.com
Only accurate way is FlightRadar24.comIs this for security reasons?
ELAL deliberately feeds false (or non-current) data to various publicly available departure/landing time sources. FlightRadar24 actually shows you where the aircraft is (as long as it's trackable).
[/b]Is this for security reasons?I think it is for security reasons.
I think it is for security reasons.That is such outdated thinking.
That is such outdated thinking.I love the way you guys are getting carried away by one assumption built on another.
In the age of FlightRadar24.com, why would they even care to do it like that. If someone really wants to know where an aircraft is, it easily doable in today's day and age. This is in line with ELAL's corporate DNA, not looking to change things, just preserve and build on top of what was there (at best).
I love the way you guys are getting carried away by one assumption built on another.Well maybe you never checked ELAL. Do they provide up to date flight arrival information on their website or by phone.
I haven't noticed El Al being less accurate than other airlines. But even if it was the case, noone ever said that it's intentionally done. One person decided that he think so, another decided to assume it's probably for security, and you already figured out that it's cause is bad DNA.....
Well maybe you never checked ELAL. Do they provide up to date flight arrival information on their website or by phone.What do you know about El Al? Haven't you boycotted (BDS?) them many years ago?
What do you know about El Al? Haven't you boycotted (BDS?) them many years ago?
Yes, being that I'm a TA, and I've booked hundreds of people on El Al over the years, I've checked the flight status quite a bit more often than your honor.I stand corrected.
El Al Unveils 1960s-Inspired Retro Livery on Its Newest 787
https://thepointsguy.com/news/el-al-1960s-retro-787-dreamliner/
Looks really cool.
Any to find out which routes it will fly?
If you book PE and they change the aircraft to 747, what seat do you get?El Al rarely changes aircraft (within a few months of the flight). Do you have such a case, or are you asking theoretically?
El Al rarely changes aircraft (within a few months of the flight). Do you have such a case, or are you asking theoretically?
If you book PE and they change the aircraft to 747, what seat do you get?in my clients experience economy + some sort of calculation of the fare difference
El Al rarely changes aircraft (within a few months of the flight). Do you have such a case, or are you asking theoretically?Elal changes aircraft more than any other airline
Elal changes aircraft more than any other airlineNot as much as Avianca
Elal changes aircraft more than any other airlineFalse. Where do you take that from? I take my info from thousands of flights booked (as a TA), and I nice percentage of them on El Al. Again, I'm not referring to changes more than 3-4 months prior to the flight. That's a very different story (with all airlines).
As a side note, on the routes I deal with most, I find that the winner for switching aircraft last minute is Ukraine InternationalYep, just yesterday they bumped more than 50 people from KBP-JFK because the 767 has 100 fewer seats than the originally scheduled 777. Someone I know was booked in J but after they left the gate the whole back of his seat broke off so they put him in the FA's jump seat for almost the entire flight!
Yep, just yesterday they bumped more than 50 people from KBP-JFK because the 767 has 100 fewer seats than the originally scheduled 777. Someone I know was booked in J but after they left the gate the whole back of his seat broke off so they put him in the FA's jump seat for almost the entire flight!Heard too many such stories. Had passengers book TLV to KBP in J at a premium price for the 767 or 777, only to be switched to a 737 (regular economy seat) and got no compensation because "they sat in business class"
Heard too many such stories. Had passengers book TLV to KBP in J at a premium price for the 767 or 777, only to be switched to a 737 (regular economy seat) and got no compensation because "they sat in business class"That happened to me 2 weeks ago (although I upgraded with points).
Is there a way to buy matmid points? I have 270 points and need 300 points for an extra bag on the way home. Is it possible to buy the 30 points or use cash and points as you can do for a flight?When you buy an award ticket, if you're missing points you can buy them at $1 a point. Not sure if being able to buy them also applies to suitcases, but I would give them a call
200 dollars is a lot extra for a second bag compared to 100 dollars on united.
As a side question, el al or united nonstop economy tel aviv to newark.
200 dollars is a lot extra for a second bag compared to 100 dollars on united.
As a side question, el al or united nonstop economy tel aviv to newark.
Is the 85 dollars for flights fom north america to tlv, I thought I read it is 200$ for these flightsYes, its $85 if booked before check in.
So would you suggest united or el al at the same price to newark.It might depend on whether you are looking at this as a one off flight, or if you fly regularly.
Once a year in economy to visit familyUA 772 (afternoon flight from EWR and morning flight from TLV).
Flying LY Motzaei Yom Kippur TLV-JFK. Have this massive Sefer someone asked me I bring back. If I hold it in my hands and learn from it while checking in, will they make an issue?no
Anyone know if they give out small bottles of liquor in either cattle or business?Just flew in J. Didn't see any (only large bottles)
LY27 looks delayed several hours tonightAnd again tonight... anyone have a real idea of what the issue is?
And again tonight... anyone have a real idea of what the issue is?
I抦 on LY11 now. Delayed 2 hours.
Airport was a mess. Took about 2 hours to get to gate. That抯 with them letting all the JFK passengers skip ahead here and there.
First time flying Elal in almost 6 years. Reminded me why I should avoid them in the future.
it took 2 hrs to get through security ?
it took 2 hrs to get through security ?
Yes. You should have seen the lines.
Dear Customers,
In these days, El Al's check-in counters are unusually busy.
Our customers who purchase VIP service for these flights
will enjoy from a significant service at security checks, check-in counters and borders control.
We can not commit to VIP service at the El Al check-in counters.
As for the all other airlines, the service will be provided in full as Airport conditions permit.
Best regards
Laufer Aviation GHI
Regular airport security or elal security before checkin?
ELAL section of Airport security. All other counters were empty. You will be fine if flying untied or delta
Of course, those airlines have practically and entire section to themselves and it抯 just one flight. Now El Al has tens of flights using that one check in area
Has anyone ever tried heading over to a different section for security?
How can you head somewhere else? You need to check your bags to ELAL
If you have no bags or checked in online. Also, the barcodes the security people put on aren抰 specific to the airline; they just indicate that they interviewed the passenger carrying it.
Correct, but the bags must still be dropped off at Elal, that is the main line.
If you have no bags you can go right thru, but that likely doesn抰 apply to most traveling to Israel.
So just to clarify that抯 the security before checkin. It has been discussed on DDF before. It抯 beyond insane. It抯 makes no sense that they haven抰 taken care of it. It抯 been going for as long as I can remember. I抳e learnt my lesson that going early to tlv just means waiting longer on that line. Maybe if we can somehow make some noise about it, something will change though it抯 highly doubtful.
This is very specific to LY.Well stated. How does one get the VIP service? Is it a subscription, or a pay per use?
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
This is very specific to LY.
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
This is very specific to LY.
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
Dear Customers,
In these days, El Al's check-in counters are unusually busy.
Our customers who purchase VIP service for these flights
will enjoy from a significant service at security checks, check-in counters and borders control.
We can not commit to VIP service at the El Al check-in counters.
As for the all other airlines, the service will be provided in full as Airport conditions permit.
Best regards
Laufer Aviation GHI
Agreed, but the solution isn抰 everyone paying $140. Its ELAL solving there issues.
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.This only works if you are on the 1:00 AM flight and show up at around 11:30 PM.
Well stated. How does one get the VIP service? Is it a subscription, or a pay per use?There are a few companies that do it. It is about $120-150 per use for group of up to 4-5 people.
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.
Delta's prices are usually in line with ELAL and with the addition of the second flight, there is no reason not fly united or delta if paying cash.
I wish they were. Delta & united have always been more every time I flew the past few years.
I know someone on my flight flying in business class. Is there any advantage if we check in together?
Yes. You抣l have a seperate checkin
Thanks. Any other perks I should be aware of?He can get you into the King David lounge as a guest.
Any TA who can help? I have a flight JFK-TLV with an infant, there are 2 seats that seem to be for basinett blocked, but elal won't open them saying only at the airport can be done. any way for a TA to help with this?How old is the infant?
How old is the infant?
7 monthsTA who booked it should be able to confirm the bassinet as long as it's still available on the flight you need it.
TA who booked it should be able to confirm the bassinet as long as it's still available on the flight you need it.
TA who booked it should be able to confirm the bassinet as long as it's still available on the flight you need it.That's right.
That's right.
Plus LY call center should also do it for you. Booked one yesterday for flights in January 2019
PM me your PNR and I'll talk to them later today.
What's the current best airline to credit miles from flying on Elal economy?
What airlines can I credit my paid elal flight to? And where can is we the earning rate?Qantas
How can enroll in Matmid frequent flyer program without a fee?Ask your TA
Ask your TAhttp://o.goinspire.com/update-free-enrollment-el-als-matmid-program/
Qantas
Do you know if I can still claim the Qantas points after the flight ?
Is this real? El Al will stop service starting 1/1/2019 unless...??
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/el-al/el-al-chairman-all-israeli-airlines-to-stop-flying-from-2019-unless/
Anyone know about how long it takes from landing to curb on the flight from Los Angeles? Israeli passport and checked bags.Did it last month. 15mn
TIA.
Did it last month. 15mnIt's indeed a best case scenario because I was flying F, so I was first person out of the plane and there was no line at immigration
Assume 5 - 10 minutes from landing to gate. After that, it will depend on (a) how long it takes you to get off the plane (2-5 minutes for 1st/Bus; up to 10/15 minutes for others); how long it takes you to walk to passport control (you could jog it in 3-4 minutes but a leisurely walk is 5-10 minutes; how long the line is at passport (0-60 minutes based on my experience - no way, rhyme or reason to predict IF YOU HAVE ISRAELI PASSPORT, YOU CAN USE THE BIOMETRIC MACHINES, IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE AND CUT THAT TO 2 MINUTES); and waiting for bags. Recently I have found them to be on the belt by 15/20 minutes post landing. Of course, if border control or customs has an issue, they can always hold you up indefinitely.I don't believe double aisle aircraft are ever loaded onto busses. IME, it's always straight into the terminal.
So...best scenario you may be out in less than half an hour but usually closer to an hour or more.
Just my experience.
Is this considered a good deal?
Assume 5 - 10 minutes from landing to gate. After that, it will depend on (a) how long it takes you to get off the plane (2-5 minutes for 1st/Bus; up to 10/15 minutes for others); how long it takes you to walk to passport control (you could jog it in 3-4 minutes but a leisurely walk is 5-10 minutes; how long the line is at passport (0-60 minutes based on my experience - no way, rhyme or reason to predict IF YOU HAVE ISRAELI PASSPORT, YOU CAN USE THE BIOMETRIC MACHINES, IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE AND CUT THAT TO 2 MINUTES); and waiting for bags. Recently I have found them to be on the belt by 15/20 minutes post landing. Of course, if border control or customs has an issue, they can always hold you up indefinitely.If he has biometric there are a set of four machines very early about 2 minutes before the ramp down to passport control. Use that there is never a line, you get the slip and walk right through takes 30 seconds.
So...best scenario you may be out in less than half an hour but usually closer to an hour or more.
Just my experience.
Just booked a Qantas redemption for El Al in J and the only thing I can seem to do on El Al's website is change my meal preference. No seat changes (or even assignments), nor entering info like my Known Traveler or PP.You have to call.
Does El Al insist you call for these things, or did I miss something?
You have to call.
Thanks. What a giant waste of time, but I guess they like to make things as annoying as possible. ;)It's a bug for bookings via certain agencies. UR bookings is one of them. But many TA bookings can be managed online.
Just booked a Qantas redemption for El Al in J and the only thing I can seem to do on El Al's website is change my meal preference. No seat changes (or even assignments), nor entering info like my Known Traveler or PP.
Does El Al insist you call for these things, or did I miss something?
why do you need to add you KTN? LY is not a partner
Booked a flight to Europe on El Al. Now I realize there抯 no checked bag. Will they still weigh my carry-on?Yes if you make the dumb mistake of going up to the check in desk.
Yes if you make the dumb mistake of going up to the check in desk.
Check in online before the flight or use the automatic kiosk at the airport, print out your boarding pass and proceed straight to security
Yes if you make the dumb mistake of going up to the check in desk.
Check in online before the flight or use the automatic kiosk at the airport, print out your boarding pass and proceed straight to security
Thanks! Forgot about that.
And by security, you mean the metal detectors or the queue before the counters? And I just skip the counters?You skip the counters, they ask the security questions before the metal detectors.
You skip the counters, they ask the security questions before the metal detectors.
Anyone know how this would work in Zurich? In JFK they ask everything before the check-in counters.Works the same way as in JFK..
Works the same way as in JFK..Are you sure?
Unless you're coming thriugh a connecting flight, in which case they would ask you at the gate
Are you sure?Can be done at every airport afaik (excluding Munich where Elal has their own hell hole terminal). Generally a lot less of a line by the gate than by the check in counters even in J
At many LY outstations if you have hand luggage you can pass through regular airport security first then ask at the gate do do LY security questions, even if originating there. I have done this at AMS, MXP, SOF and ATH before, without any problem. It even suggests that on the PDF boarding pass when you check in online.
inflight/at gate upgrades from Y to J....?Last time I used this was 7 years ago when the in-flight cost from tlv to JFK was still $700, but I heard that it went up since.
It used to be $500-$700 and now site says $1200 if from Y to J.
Is that accurate? Any tips?
(I know i asked this in another forum - its now shortened)
DW and I are flying BOS-TLV next week and got this offer by email. Lowest offer possible is $250 pp, so they want $500 (minimum) to bid to keep the seat between us empty. Seems like a sucker抯 bet to me.Can't you game it? Seat you in 24A, wife in 24C and one of you bids on the empty seat so if you win, then you both benefit?
Can't you game it? Seat you in 24A, wife in 24C and one of you bids on the empty seat so if you win, then you both benefit?We are already booked aisle-window. Because we are both on the same PNR, we would both have to bid. I could split the PNR, I guess. Even so, I wouldn抰 pay $250 for having an empty middle seat. I would just give the aisle to our new friend, and then make sure I take a whole Ambien instead of a half!
Last time I used this was 7 years ago when the in-flight cost from tlv to JFK was still $700, but I heard that it went up since.
Even at this price point it's quite difficult to get a seat on the popular evening flights as C is packed and then they need to clear the last minute points upgrades (for those with status and a ticket in an upgradable class)
Can someone with a Matmid account please check if there any availability on 11/15 ewr-tlv 1:15 pm. And how many points it is. Tyvm.
AN15NOVEWRTLV/ALY/CE,X,R
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 8 TH 15NOV 0000
1 LY 028 RL XL EL /EWR B TLV 3 115P 635A+1E0/789 10:20
Thanks so much. I wish I knew how to read this.Code: [Select]AN15NOVEWRTLV/ALY/CE,X,R
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 8 TH 15NOV 0000
1 LY 028 RL XL EL /EWR B TLV 3 115P 635A+1E0/789 10:20
Thanks so much. I wish I knew how to read this.
I'll make it easy, no Economy, Premium, Business, Business upgrade award space openReally appreciate it. Tyvm
I'll make it easy, no Economy, Premium, Business, Business upgrade award space open
https://onemileatatime.com/el-al-takeoff-error/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/el-al-787-struggled-to-lift-off-after-40t-weight-dat-453942/
Anyone ?(https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/932x195/qf1_492d8fef24bcd2a0a405e19089c5f48d32f16f49.png)
JFK-TLV Class V and class N
Am i late to the game or is this breaking news that EL AL is plannig a new TLV-LAS route?
The source here is beyond reliable - a top Manager at elal..
No Solid date yet - but this is still music to my ears.. strengthening the presence on the west coast..
LY signs codeshare agreement with LOT. To be implemented beginning Dec. 20, El Al says in press release. (Bloomberg)This was mentioned a while back, though it didn't seem to have been active yet.
This was mentioned a while back, though it didn't seem to have been active yet.I'm assuming that they are aiming to sell continuation flight out of Warsaw, like Ukraine, Lithuania etc
Just curious, I totally understand what LOT has to gain with this. But what does El Al really gain with LOT code shares?
I'm assuming that they are aiming to sell continuation flight out of Warsaw, like Ukraine, Lithuania etcI see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El Al
I see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El AlInteresting.
whats the easiest way to change a revenue flight with Elal?Unless you booked through a travel agent it's best to call ElAl directly
What do they charge to change the flight?Depends on the route. What's the itinerary?
Would anyone know the phone number of the elal desk in Newark airport?973-643-3042
The number published online is incorrect.
A friend lost a purse there and is trying to see if they have it.
TIA
I see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El AlGot to be careful when booking then. I would never fly LY even if its cheaper.
I see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El AlWonder if these will be bookable on united.com like current lot flights
Wonder if these will be bookable on united.com like current lot flightsNot sure about revenue, but until today I've never seen LX award space that was codeshared with El Al. (El Al gives award space on LX, though.)
(Bloomberg) -- ElAl's board votes to expand new ticket model used for European destinations to Far East and South Africa, according to filing to Tel Aviv Stock Exchange.Heads up, North America!
Customers will be able to choose between tickets with varying prices and privileges, such as baggage, choosing seats, cancellation
Sales under new format to start on 01/15 for flights from April.
Heads up, North America!Let's pray that not.
i booked a flight using matmid points, how can i upgrade to premium economy?I believe your only option is in-flight upgrade for cash: https://www.elal.com/en/PassengersInfo/Uniqe-Services/Pages/Upgrade-to-Premiun-Classes.aspx
i booked a flight using matmid points, how can i upgrade to premium economy?You can also see if bidding is available for advanced upgrade
i booked a flight using matmid points, how can i upgrade to premium economy?You sure you don't mean Masmid points?
You sure you don't mean Masmid points?
They go to greecefree stop over ;)
how risky is yyz to tlv arriving 11:45am Friday?
Religious Jews, except in the case of an emergency, should not fly from North America on a flight that is scheduled to land in Israel on Friday, period.
May need to book a Pesach-to-Pesach reservation NYC-TLV. It抯 not bookable online, but can anyone here recommend a good TA? Thanks!@rcarentals
NYC-TLV $799Trying to fill the bein hazmanim flights on their return to Israel...
BOS-TLV $749
MIA-TLV $849
LAX-TLV $899
Depart between 04/03 and 04/08, return on select dates before 04/24.
Why are there two flights a hour an apart from each other into EWR on April 17?
Pesach.Pesach is correct. But it's really for the other way around. They need to bring in the planes to fill in for the demand from NY to TLV.
- Global alliances are starting to talk to LY given the changes in geopoliticsInteresting point. Just wondering where they have the best chance.
Interesting point. Just wondering where they have the best chance.Good question
-Doubt UA would want them in *A because they are big competitors on TLV flights. And even if UA agrees, I'm assuming TK can block them?
-AA would seem likely (because they've had codeshare agreements for years). But can't imagine that QR and MH won't be a problem.
-DL doesn't seem to have any members that would block. Maybe?
Good question
- On Oneworld you might get objection from BA and Cathay.
- On Skyteam, I don't see anyone who would object besides perhaps DL and AF.
I cant see an airline like DL block for one route that they have on one flight a day from the hottest market in the US.
What in the world is this?Flew flight 27 from TLV into Newark and is flying back as flight 008 from JFK
Is this a real flight?
Flew flight 27 from TLV into Newark and is flying back as flight 008 from JFK
Deja vu #LY008Ouch. An hour and 13 min to get from plane to Jerusalem before shkiah.....
Ouch. An hour and 13 min to get from plane to Jerusalem before shkiah.....Actually looking worse. Scheduled to land at 440. Crazy
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-mulls-tel-aviv-florida-flights-1001269974Today LY told Ynet that it will operate flight to Orlando during the summer, with first flight on July 2nd. Price starting at $999, and will be on both the 787 and 777. I couldn't find how many weekly flights at this stage
Confirmed. No more elal Z class on points after April 1st. Same goes for the double points in Coach as well as in Premium.What's Z class and double points?
@Dan maybe update the post regarding the upcoming changes.
Today LY told Ynet that it will operate flight to Orlando during the summer, with first flight on July 2nd. Price starting at $999, and will be on both the 787 and 777. I couldn't find how many weekly flights at this stageThanks, please start a new thread for any news next time :)
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5462161,00.html
Thanks, please start a new thread for any news next time :)Will do.
Confirmed. No more elal Z class on points after April 1st. Same goes for the double points in Coach as well as in Premium.You mean no more booking with points on Z class even for Platinum Members?
@Dan maybe update the post regarding the upcoming changes.
You mean no more booking with points on Z class even for Platinum Members?Well it was only ever for Platinum members.. (Or Fly Card holders)
LY 8 still sitting on tarmac in JFK on account of mechanical issue. They are going to try taking the part from LY 1 before letting passengers disembark.Wow this is rough.
Wow this is rough.
Got 2 family members onboard but they抮e thankfully sleeping. Where can I find updates?
Flight is live. https://fr24.com/ELY008/1f7b825d
When can I expect it to arrive realistically?
I might be wrong here. But I seem to recall that unless the flight is headed / originated from Europe, then you are only entitled to compensation for delays of over 8 hours. So here it looks like it will be 6.5 hours.
Any chance of comp?
I might be wrong here. But I seem to recall that unless the flight is headed / originated from Europe, then you are only entitled to compensation for delays of over 8 hours. So here it looks like it will be 6.5 hours.
Again I might be wrong
What should I push for?
Family members are not happy that their trip was so shortened, nor were they thrilled about sitting so long on the plane.
Am thinking of partial refund. Thoughts?
Here we go again. Full of frum people...Hopefully they'll allow people to deplane.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY2
Here we go again. Full of frum people...Doesn't justify booking or boarding this flight (except in true emergency after consulting one's LOR), but this flight looks like it will land about 2 hours before sunset.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY2
Doesn't justify booking or boarding this flight (except in true emergency after consulting one's LOR), but this flight looks like it will land about 2 hours before sunset.I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...
I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.
Sadly, people will never learn.
I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...IDK. Presumably they will help people speed things up. Who says they're going to Jlem, could be heading elsewhere. Doesn't make things better. And doesn't justify potentially taking a Jewish cab driver that will drop them off just before sunset and have no choice but to drive on Shabbos after dropping the passengers off.
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.Unfortunately, I have to side with ELAL on this one. Why should they almost definitely cause additional chilul Shabbos for other passengers just because some passengers did the irresponsible thing and booked themselves on a Thursday evening flight from NY to TLV.
Sadly, people will never learn.
Truly astounding that the lesson will never be learned.What time did this flight board?
Even if you book the flight no one is forcing you to board if it is delayed several hours.
"It will never happen to me" (where else have we seen this attitude recently ::))
What time did this flight board?
LOL to ELAL worrying about causing additional chilul shabbos.
Unfortunately, I have to side with ELAL on this one. Why should they almost definitely cause additional chilul Shabbos for other passengers just because some passengers did the irresponsible thing and booked themselves on a Thursday evening flight from NY to TLV.
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.Insane!
Insane!
Truly astounding that the lesson will never be learned.I flew NYC-TLV on LY on the last 2 Wednesdays and I have to say that the proportion of haredim was significantly larger than usual.
I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.
Sadly, people will never learn.
Hope they are still able to make a levaya b4 ShabosBDE
My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...BDE, sorry for your loss
My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...BDE.
Why 19 years?
Because that's when my personal experience is from.Link?
Link?
Ast @TimT, I've written about on DDF.
Flight was landing about an hour before sunset. Levaya was waiting for me, and if we had missed sunset shiva would be extended by another day. I had an exit row seat, but my wife had a seat a few rows away. I asked flight attendant to please allow us off ahead of everyone else, and got such an inconsiderate and rude response, that the non-frum person sitting next to me felt compelled to rebuke the flight attendant for lack of sensitivity.
How do you do that?!?
How do you do that?!?
My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...BD"E, awful.
How do you do that?!?Looks like photographic memory to me.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-loss-widens-as-competition-intensifies-1001277828
El Al has enormous potential when the fleet of Boeing 747s is replaced by its fleet of Dreamliner Boeing 767s
Am I likely to run into issues at TLV with a checked bag about 2 kg overweight?no
Thanks.
I feel compelled to post this here, just as a counter. I flew LY006 and 005 last week with a large family group in Y. It was my first time flying LY Y in four years, and was an entirely different experience on both flights. The plane was the dream liner, which was comfortable and good even though we were seated in the last 10 rows for both flights. The soft product was spectacular. FA's went out of their way to make us comfortable, brought a large bottle of water and cups to my wife prior to take off just to have, and were overall very pleasant and eager to please.Nice, did fly LY for a while. Did you also fly LY in J earlier and what was your experience?
As an aside they also don't bother with silliness like making you turn off your phone or straighten the seat back :)
Nice, did fly LY for a while. Did you also fly LY in J earlier and what was your experience?Last time in J was about 5 years ago, been flying UA due to inability to spend miles on LY. but will be flying J in July thanks to QF, and will report back
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-upgrading-planes-appeasing-haredim-1001281173
It's against LY.Which part?
Which part?Accusing them of kissing up to Haredim is made to make them look bad to the general population.
Randomly came across this:What was he thinking?
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al-passenger-tries-to-jump-out-emergency-door-586415
How come this didn't trigger the 8nflatable slides?
https://m.facebook.com/749800376/posts/10162423141315377?sfns=mo
https://m.facebook.com/749800376/posts/10162423141315377?sfns=mo
AN6JANTLVLAS/ALY
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** LAS LAS VEGAS.USNV 269 MO 06JAN 0000
1 LY 021 C9 I7 DL ZL RL XL W9 /TLV 3 LAS 3 1030A 300P E0/789 14:30
Q5 BL PL Y9 S9 M9 K9 V9 L9 H9 N9 EL
Cool had to see if its really true, it is.
Is there an additional return flight, what is LY doing with this plane?
w/o being on J or F - how does one get into King David Lounge?One does not unless one is Gold or higher.
One does not unless one is Gold or higher.Elites can also guest you in.
Elites can also guest you in.Also true
w/o being on J or F - how does one get into King David Lounge?You would need status.. or being a guest of J/F/status
Phone agent tells me they cannot add a QF number to a reservation. HUCA?Try to ask QF for the LY PNR.
Try to ask QF for the LY PNR.
Thank you.QF and LY have the same PNR
They are unable to pull up the reservation when I gave them my LY confirmation number.
LY 26.....here we go again...1845 arrival
LY 26.....here we go again...1845 arrivalLanding now. About 4 hours to Shabbos. Not ideal, but I can see many seeing it as acceptable.
Landing now. About 4 hours to Shabbos. Not ideal, but I can see many seeing it as acceptable.
is there an expert mode to see fare class availability like on UA?EF / GDS
i have a flight on elal from yyz (award ticket), im coming from miami, so I need to book a separate flight. does elal partner with westjet or aa that i can combine the tickets and check everything from miami to tlv?In the US, it's jetblue and Alaska soon. But in order to have it checked through, it would need to have a separate reservation. You also might have luck checking through if you book on an OTA for a single confirmation number even if outside those formal codeshare agreements.
i have a flight on elal from yyz (award ticket), im coming from miami, so I need to book a separate flight. does elal partner with westjet or aa that i can combine the tickets and check everything from miami to tlv?Very likely. LY has flights from TLV to NYC via YYZ connecting on WestJet and AA
all qantas for every NY-TLV and back is 787 - is this accurate? r they running now only dreamliners for NY/NJ-TLV route?Not sure what the first question is. But LY certainly is not flying 787s only to NYC.
Not sure what the first question is. But LY certainly is not flying 787s only to NYC.
sorry, to rephraseAs of today Elal still uses 747s and 777s on NYC-TLV. At some point they switch to all 787s. not sure when.
it seems every single flight on the NY/NJ-TLV route is on the new Dreamliner, aka no more of the old plane. Is that true? At least reflected approx 6 months out on Qantas?
When flying out of ny/nj which flight has their newest planes? I remember @Dan once posted it on ddms but can抰 find it.
When flying out of ny/nj which flight has their newest planes? I remember @Dan once posted it on ddms but can抰 find it.Lately it's charging a lot. And some flights are quite random. I'd suggest looking at the specific flight you want
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/el-al-adds-service-9th-north-american-destination-roundup-95-weekly-nonstop-flights-north-america-tel-aviv/date is far out. Does ewr ever fly old 747抯?
But why don't you simply check the flights scheduled for your dates?
date is far out. Does ewr ever fly old 747抯?Yes. Lately very often.
Not sure where this belongs but it is definitely a gem...
Belongs here https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=77871.100Shkoyach... moved...
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/07/08/israeli-airline-requests-sfpd-help-in-order-to-prevent-terrorist-attack/
Wow, what an antisemitic slant on the story. " El Al demanded", "leaving fewer officers to answer calls..."
Truth?"Requested". It's a requirement at all their foreign locations. And definitely agreed with the airport / authorities before opening up. They've been targeted too many times so they can't afford not to have this
"Requested". It's a requirement at all their foreign locations. And definitely agreed with the airport / authorities before opening up. They've been targeted too many times so they can't afford not to have this
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/07/08/israeli-airline-requests-sfpd-help-in-order-to-prevent-terrorist-attack/
@ MUC Airport
next gen technology from the high tech empire in the Middle EastWas probably meant to be "Telex", yes the system all airlines use called "GDS" predates the internet. Nothing to do with high tech empire
what aircraft is ly25Lately it's been 772. Before that the 747
Lately it's been 772. Before that the 747what is a 772?
Does it have a Upgraded J class?No
How about ly7That's almost exclusively on the dreamliner, with the updated J, but they do sometimes use the 772, so check schedules
El Al show's on all routs from tlv to nyc on jan 29 aircraft 787-9. is that the dreamlinerYes.
what is a 772?Boeing 777-200
El Al show's on all routs from tlv to nyc on jan 29 aircraft 787-9. is that the dreamlinerYes
In one celebrated flight during that airlift, 1008 passengers were squeezed onto El Al抯 747 cargo plane for a flight out of Addis Ababa. That flight still holds the record for the most passengers ever carried on a single flight.Wow
Can we expect more daily flights ex-NYC once the 747 is completely retired?I thought they added to EWR in advance so total seats would stay the same (right now there's exta capacity).
Is there a way to upgrade with points if i bought tickets with cash?You need to have a upgradable ticket, and upgrade space to use your points
You need to have a upgradable ticket, and upgrade space to use your pointsHow do i know if its upgrade able?
How do i know if its upgrade able?It's upgradable to business if you're fare is Y, S or M.
It's upgradable to business if you're fare is Y, S or M.Sorry for being so naive... where can i see my class fare?
M and S are also upgradable to Premium.
If you have a high status then additional fares are upgradable
Sorry for being so naive... where can i see my class fare?If you didn't pay at least $2k, then your ticket isn't upgradable in any direction. And more than $3k for both directions.
so having gold status doesn't really do much for you in terms of being able to upgrade with points? it seems like even with gold you would still need to purchase a very expensive ticket in order to be eligible.That's right.
Apologies if this has been answer multiple times before.Wheretocredit.com
What is the best partner airline to accrue miles on when flying El Al? I don't fly often enough to start a collection of Matmid points but I do have a moderate amount of Delta and American points that I'd be fine adding them to.
Wheretocredit.comMaybe we should give him a real answer. ::)
Maybe we should give him a real answer. ::)Or maybe to Alaska, depending on the class you are flying and what program you have your efforts invested in!
I don't so much but for starters Elal with credit to Quantes.
Flying premium economy I can take 2 luggages. Can I take 1 that抯 overnight?
I dont understand your questionSorry. instead of taking 2 suitcases each 50 lbs can i take 1 suitcase of lets say 80 lbs? clear enough?
Sorry. instead of taking 2 suitcases each 50 lbs can i take 1 suitcase of lets say 80 lbs?
https://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/2019_q3/Article-cd3d6531a25bc61027.htmNo big hidush here. But you're definitely right about @Dan,
@Dan if and when you plan to fly LY, make sure they know in advance, they upgrade their service level when they find it important (I would think they would consider your website important enough to provide you with upgraded service).
No big hidush here. But you're definitely right about @Dan,
remember the VIP treatment they provided to Lucky, with a fancy car and dedicated staff on the ground (and no doubt the staff in J was briefed too)
https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-to-launch-direct-flights-to-tokyo-in-march/Sales are live. Launch promo for executive at 1400 points + $200 in Y
Says narita
Im trying to get Bassinets for my kids But ELAL says they dont issue bassinets over 1Y, they told my sister that they dont issue over 9m , are there anyways around it? im flying J booked with Qantas award.9m is correct. But when flying J it doesn't matter. You can choose any seat. Bassinet seats are not blocked
9m is correct. But when flying J it doesn't matter. You can choose any seat. Bassinet seats are not blockedThanks, trying to do that i also see on SG that there is only 1 bassinet seat in J on LY28?
They also charged me $20 for seat assignmentThey charged you for seat assignment in J??
Yup!Who's they? El Al phone rep?
Who's they? El Al phone rep?ye
https://simpleflying.com/el-al-boeing-777-seating/It's a shame for the Y legroom.
It's a shame for the Y legroom.
For J they said a while ago that it would be a "copy-paste" of the 789
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3770279That's him
Is this the guy that did the interview with @Dan?
What an art! Saying absolutely nothing in so many words!
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3770279Happens to be this guy is very intelligent... He's probably the only guy in El Al management that actually cares, and accepts feedback and suggestions from others.
Is this the guy that did the interview with @Dan?
What an art! Saying absolutely nothing in so many words!
Happens to be this guy is very intelligent... He's probably the only guy in El Al management that actually cares, and accepts feedback and suggestions from others.
What does any of that mean or matter on a practical level? Look at the website? It's horrendous.Yup. Went from bad to worse.
Happens to be this guy is very intelligent... He's probably the only guy in El Al management that actually cares, and accepts feedback and suggestions from others.
What does any of that mean or matter on a practical level? Look at the website? It's horrendous.
Yup. Went from bad to worse.Sure thing. No denying that. I didn't say that he's a good web designer/programmer. But he cared enough to make a new website. (nobody before cared about the terrible site) Just a shame that the guy who did it did a terrible job. Hopefully, they will fix the issues quickly....
Sure thing. No denying that. I didn't say that he's a good web designer/programmer. But he cared enough to make a new website. (nobody before cared about the terrible site) Just a shame that the guy who did it did a terrible job. Hopefully, they will fix the issues quickly....How do you fix a dumpster fire?
How do you fix a dumpster fire?No kidding.
The entire philosophy behind the redesign was incorrect.
No kidding.The proof is in the pudding, talk is cheap.
I was just responding on the way he the depicted the person.
I heard from others in the industry who have met with him (face to face), and were quite impressed with the guy, and what he does.
I also don't think that he's being terribly successful in turning around the company, but he's definitely trying quite hard. (He does have a much harder job than you and I....) And he definitely seems to have more brains than the current CEO...
The proof is in the pudding, talk is cheap.I'm not so sure how cheap it is, hence my question
Sadly, the website went from bad to worse.
I wonder how much this VP for Digital and Innovation gets paid in order to care and accept feedback and suggestions, as well as say nothing in a lot of words.
At least he agrees that ELAL needs a DNA change.
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But cool offer!
Enjoy the chocolate.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001303020That's what I flagged on the other El Al forum the other day
ELAL announcing improvements of their FF program for Silver level and above (Silver gets 1 point credit per $7 instead of 1 point per $8). Also lowering point requirements to attain/maintain higher tiers.
I just got an email saying that my flight has been changed from 787-9 to 787-8.Date?
JFK-TLV
Date?
Seems crazy to fly the -8 on their flagship route.
TN08MARNYCTLV/ALY -MN-
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 08MAR20 15MAR20
2 LY 028 4 EWR B TLV 3 215P 635A+1 0 12MAR20 12MAR20 788 10:20
TN01APRNYCTLV/ALY -MN-
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 01APR20 08APR20
10 LY 008 3 JFK 4 TLV 3 1150P 520P+1 0 01APR20 01APR20 788 10:30
Date?May 20
Seems crazy to fly the -8 on their flagship route.
Anyone know what they're thinking?
LY / aircraft t:788 JFK-TLV
March 12
April 1, 22, 29
May 6, 13, 20
June 3, 10, 17, 24
July 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
August 5, 12, 19, 26
September 2, 9, 16, 23, 30
Anyone know what they're thinking?Since when is elal known for thinking
LY / aircraft t:788 JFK-TLV
March 12
April 1, 22, 29
May 6, 13, 20
June 3, 10, 17, 24
July 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
August 5, 12, 19, 26
September 2, 9, 16, 23, 30
Whats elal change/cancel policy on a reward ticket booked through elal?$60 if don't have PL status
Anybody else received this from LY?
Looks like some kind of general compensation following a successful class action regarding fees
Anybody else received this from LY?I did (and quite a few others I know did, too). But I got an error while filling out the form.
Looks like some kind of general compensation following a successful class action regarding fees
I got an error while filling out the form.Worked for me. But I cannot picture getting more than 5nis ;D
Will it be an issue if I left out my middle name on my El Al ticket?No
Passport has my middle name but ticket has no middle name.
No
thanks! Did you have an experience like this?
thanks! Did you have an experience like this?Yes
How can I signup for matmid without being charged? Iirc you can signup in the airport but just flew & forgot to do it & online they charge $30.It's free through the app
It's free through the app
Thanks I抣l try that. I抦 signing up for my kid is there a way to have my whole families accts together or something of that sort where I don抰 need a separate email login etc?I don't think so. It's one account each as far as I know
I don't think so. It's one account each as far as I know
Off to our next adventure. Where would you like us to touch down next?
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Can i expect anything for broken screen?From my experience either matmid points or a voucher. I believe I've received 500 points 2-3 years ago, in J
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-upmarket-passengers-are-our-bread-and-butter-1001307382The only way to publish something with El Al is to give them the questions in advance or allow them to approve which answers can be published.
@Dan you should talk to this guy..
Btw I happen to know the cello's owner.. true story
The only way to publish something with El Al is to give them the questions in advance or allow them to approve which answers can be published.Right, forgot about that
I tried the latter twice and 0 answers were allowed to be published.
Right, forgot about thatThey think that will control the narrative, but I think it hurts them more.
What's this whole commotion today with the new flycard?The launch of flycard "next generation".. I attended.
So same benefits and mileage accruals?Didn't know the older card. But seems like it
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-upmarket-passengers-are-our-bread-and-butter-1001307382
Well, at least now we know which sh*t-for-brains needs to get canned before we can see some REAL change (for the better) at LY...You sound surprised..
I randomly came across the "Followed by El Al USA" on Dansdeals' Twitter...Makes sense. They may as well find out about price mistakes ASAP.
Not sure if this is recent or if I never paid attention
Makes sense. They may as well find out about price mistakes ASAP.Block them :) @Dan
I randomly came across the "Followed by El Al USA" on Dansdeals' Twitter...Airlines are upping their game in catching price mistakes in real time
Not sure if this is recent or if I never paid attention
Booked LY award through Qantas left out middle name. Is that going to be an issue?You never need middle name for tickets
You never need middle name for tickets
Not by Elal, but by some LCC and Asian carriers it might me an issueI sell ELAL revenue daily, I have never had an issue. (Revenue different? I don't think so)
Anyone know what the current charges are for wifi between ewr & tlv?Basic plan is free and is just for WhatsApp.
Does the basic plan allow for video on wattsap?
Booked LY award through Qantas left out middle name. Is that going to be an issue?So on top of this Qantas showed the 789 and now its booked on the 772. Dont really have proof because the 789 only showed on the Qantas search page and its now been switched to the 772 even on the search page.
No WiFi, 2-3-2 layout. Angle flat versus flat...
How bad is the 772? Is it really Angle-flat?
No WiFi, 2-3-2 layout. Angle flat versus flat...Havent been on an angle flat in 10 years. I see this flight number LY 12 is not frequently flown. Any idea if I have a chance in Hell of them switching back to 789? Or a chance to get Qantas or LY to switch me to the EWR flight or the later JFK flight?
It's really angle flat.. I had no issue with it for years (with whisky and sleeping pills) but once you get used to the 789 it's hard to go back
Havent been on an angle flat in 10 years. I see this flight number LY 12 is not frequently flown. Any idea if I have a chance in Hell of them switching back to 789? Or a chance to get Qantas or LY to switch me to the EWR flight or the later JFK flight?Isn't there a general rule that equipment isn't guaranteed?
Isn't there a general rule that equipment isn't guaranteed?Equipment change usually allows you to cancel. Not that I want to cancel.
If there's award space on another flight they should switch you.Not a seat in the house. Texting with Qantas now so will see what they come up with.
If not, good luck.
If the flight is in the near future, it was likely due to damage that just happened this weekend in LAS to one of the Dreamliners. Multiple flights this week were switched to the 777 in addition to changes in schedule.That make s sense. Early Jan and LY12 is not a regular flight.
That make s sense. Early Jan and LY12 is not a regular flight.If LY has X class on the same date as your flight (and not showing on QF), you can "try" calling El Al (Israel), and see if they'd allow you to change with their "same day change" policy. If they send you to QF, explain that QF has limited access.
If LY has X class on the same date as your flight (and not showing on QF), you can "try" calling El Al (Israel), and see if they'd allow you to change with their "same day change" policy. If they send you to QF, explain that QF has limited access.X or R?
X or R?X is saver. R is upgrade.
Also, in general, some of my clients specifically prefer the 777 because it's much more spacious. Just not as private, though.How is it more spacious when it's 7 abreast instead of 4? Even with the 777 being wider, that width should only translate to 1 seat, and you're still left with 2 additional per row. Are you talking pitch?
X is saver. R is upgrade.How would I find out. I dont have access to Matmid. Should I just call?
How would I find out. I dont have access to Matmid. Should I just call?You can check here
You can check hereThanks nothing available. Dates set so I guess you live and you learn.
https://www.elal.com/rbddataclients/
You need to search JFK and EWR separately
WhatsApp El AlSent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.
Hachi Babayit...I prefer It's not just an airline, it's Israel
I prefer It's not just an airline, it's IsraelLove the country...the people...eh...
Sent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.I mean $20 seems worth it to move to a 787 even if the fee is absurd in concept.
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
Sent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.It's been discussed many many times, that the US call center has serious attitude issues. They implemented the $20 fee for touching QF bookings, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed for El Al to block award space from QF on the US routes because it was overloading their call center...
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
I mean $20 seems worth it to move to a 787 even if the fee is absurd in concept.Where did you see that I said that they offered to move me to the 787? $20 for seats are not th end of the world. $20 for Regal garbage...not happening.
I booked elal with the QF deal a few months ago and was able to choose seats. I called the regular us number.Hope the seat exists!
In fact when checking now it seems that the outgoing flight was changed from 777 to the dreamliner & they have me in the same seat as my return flight which was (is) also the 787
Sent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
Hope the seat exists!What do you mean? When logging in it shows the reserved seat
I booked elal with the QF deal a few months ago and was able to choose seats. I called the regular us number.That was before the idiot came up with the $20 genius idea....
That was before the genius came up with the $20 genius idea....FTFY
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al-CEO-to-staff-Due-to-coronavirus-painful-decisions-may-be-required-617879Saw that. Still not sure what he means by 'painful decisions'
Saw that. Still not sure what he means by 'painful decisions'Usually code for cutting labor costs.
Usually code for cutting labor costs.https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-preparing-to-cut-1000-jobs-1001320084
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-will-need-to-shrink-to-receive-state-aid-1001325887Really wonder how this will unfold
EL AL is Bankrupt. not flying, not ansewring phones, not refunding paid tickets when flights were canceled.
EL AL is Bankrupt. not flying, not ansewring phones, not refunding paid tickets when flights were canceled.At the verge of bankruptcy. Big difference ;)
Whoa.... There was statement Elal put out a while ago how they closing down all customer service for now and when they open up late April, Early May they will take care of all refunds etc....& your comfortable with that? You trust them?
& your comfortable with that? You trust them?What else can you do? Even if they wanted to pay you back they dont have the cash to do so. Hence the current negotiations for get $300-400 millions of loans.
Really wonder how this will unfoldLYs claim was always that they continue flying to Israel when no one else does. They just disproved that by leaving United the only scheduled airline flying to IL
IMHO LY is 'too big to fail' and the government is likely keen on having an airline it can rely on when necessary.. but the unions are aware of this, especially the pilots.
We had an April 12 TLV-JFK flight which did not fly. Never received email that flight is canceled, how do I get proof that the flight did not operate?? Need it for my credit card dispute. Thanks
You booked with a travel agent?online gotogate.com and I received a email from them on the 13th of April that my flight of a day earlier is still on, when in fact it did not fly
How can I proof that El Al flight LY1 12 April was canceled??? Anyone please. Purchased at gotogate.com (horrible experience) did not get any email re: cancellation ThanksContact El Al through this link:
Please anyone
How can I proof that El Al flight LY1 12 April was canceled??? Anyone please. Purchased at gotogate.com (horrible experience) did not get any email re: cancellation Thanks
Please anyone
Contact El Al through this link:This is the response i got
https://app.elal.co.il/ElalServiceContactUs?lang=en&adobe_mc=MCMID%3D36608211617120240111504956210515838614%7CMCORGID%3D86793DE35A329BB80A495E43%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1587490925&_ga=2.255329996.572854297.1587490897-1261816876.1564084784
Explain your situation, and give them your ticket number etc. They will normally be able to send you a confirmation of cancellation. Please revert back to confirm
You can ask someone write you a letter."Someone" as in? who?
Why is there no option to Dispute on the charge?Is this Chase?
Is this Chase?Ye
YeGo to "things you can do," click on "add new dispute" and choose the transaction you wish to dispute.
Go to "things you can do," click on "add new dispute" and choose the transaction you wish to dispute.Tnx
Intresting LY 3001 TLV IAHhttps://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/roundup-el-al-flights-operating-closed/#comment-1465949
LY3001 from Tel Aviv to Houston:
https://fr24.com/ELY3001/246af17c
Intresting LY 3001 TLV IAHElal flies numerous flights a week to the US for cargo. No reason to get excited every time you see a departure.
LY3001 from Tel Aviv to Houston:
https://fr24.com/ELY3001/246af17c
Not sure if the 'rescue' flight from Toronto was mentioned already..
I don't see the point of the flight from JFK, since UA has daily flights, but I guess they have an empty plane to fill up
Elal flies numerous flights a week to the US for cargo. No reason to get excited every time you see a departure.
I'm not excited by any single flight.
On the topic of getting a refund for a cancelled elal flight. Everyone is suggesting a DOT complaint and a chargeback. I booked my elal flight with chase reserve points. Whenever I call chase to do a chargeback they say that there抯 no 揷harge to chargeback as it was booked with points and they cant give me back my points until the airline authorizes the refund???idiots. Of course there is a charge. They, Chase, just refunded it on their end. They never voided the approval code etc.
Any advice?
idiots. Of course there is a charge. They, Chase, just refunded it on their end. They never voided the approval code etc.
Im sorry can you explain this? What do you mean by approval code etcIt means that when you use chase points, chase is paying the airline cash, not points. They can charge back just as one could when using a credit card.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-extends-halt-on-all-flights-until-may-30-627001Lol, insane they waited this long to announce that.
@Dan you called it a while ago!
They have the hutzpa to pretend that it's due to current travel restrictions that they decided to announce today that they are postponing flights until May 30th...
Lol, insane they waited this long to announce that.They also sent me this today. I guess they are getting some of they ducks in a row.
Lol, insane they waited this long to announce that.
Now seems like flights thru 6/27 are not bookable!You're right, well spotted!
LY Pilots seem to be very busy during covid19, LY41 from Tel Aviv to Santo Domingo https://fr24.com/ELY041/247553b2They got a contract for 150 cargo flights
They got a contract for 150 cargo flights
Now seems like flights thru 6/27 are not bookable!LY just announced they are extending unpaid leave of its employees until June 30th
LY just announced they are extending unpaid leave of its employees until June 30th(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines extends unpaid leave for staff to June 30, according to filing to Tel Aviv Stock Exchange.
Basically all their wide body jets have been configured for Cargo
Just watch 2nd Quarter of 2020 being the most profitable in their history.Big time. Oil prices at lowest plus 90% of workforce on leave, while they basically have all the wide body jets working full time
Basically all their wide body jets have been configured for CargoLol, what's a 787-800?
Just watch 2nd Quarter of 2020 being the most profitable in their history.They will have major egg on their face if that happens
They have 21 widebody. So 20 out of 21 :)
Is that their entire widebody fleet?
They will have major egg on their face if that happens
Big time. Oil prices at lowest plus 90% of workforce on leave, while they basically have all the wide body jets working full time
Lol, what's a 787-800?
Is that their entire widebody fleet?
Lol... pic.twitter.com/9V0KtYs3qO
— Ben Schlappig (@OneMileataTime) May 1, 2020
.I honestly doubt they could care less about this atm
The one thing that they have going against them making a real profit is that they're likely operating 7 days a week as a cargo airline. ☹️
I honestly doubt they could care less about this atm
Basically all their wide body jets have been configured for CargoWhere is this ad from?
The one thing that they have going against them making a real profit is that they're likely operating 7 days a week as a cargo airline. ☹️Even flying on Shabbos into JFK.
Even flying on Shabbos into JFK.No pax on board so chareidim can't complain
Where is this ad from?LinkedIn
Link?
Has someone tried to escalate to DoT to demand a refund?Yes, and nothing happens
Refunds are coming inNice!
Nice!Def TA's. Was just told by one
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
Nice!
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
Please I beg you don抰 post on main site until they are giving refunds to allWhy wouldn't I post breaking news? I can add a disclaimer though if that helps.
Otherwise every person waiting for refunds will drive us mad asking when theirs is coming
I know it抯 tempting but please don抰 post as many have no received yet
So far one consolidator got some refunded so it抯 still time before all come in
Def TA's. Was just told by oneInteresting.
Interesting.My guess is the latest DoT guidance moved the timeline up. They can't afford a massive fine.
I booked direct with LY several tickets and on Thursday I again received the automated answer that they will process refunds when they are back to business
Why wouldn't I post breaking news? I can add a disclaimer though if that helps.
A bunch of readers emailed me about refunds showing up today.But only on US routes, right?
Turkey ::)
You beat me to it. I saw the new item this morning and was going to post about it.The current cargo boom isn't going to last forever.
Seems like they're scheduling 2 weekly flights to/from Istanbul. (They've been complaining for years about unfair competition in the TLV-IST route, where they weren't flying passengers due to security concerns).
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
You beat me to it. I saw the new item this morning and was going to post about it.I'd be surprised if the cargo business model is sustainable for them long term.
Seems like they're scheduling 2 weekly flights to/from Istanbul. (They've been complaining for years about unfair competition in the TLV-IST route, where they weren't flying passengers due to security concerns).
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
The current cargo boom isn't going to last forever.
hey might be much less of a terrorist target as a cargo airline than as a passenger airline at IST.Why?
What happened to not being able to secure IST flights?I watched an interview of a pilot the other day, who was explaining the logistics of the one-off flights etc.
Nice!purchased direct through LY
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
In other news, it's reported that ELAL is sitting on major paper losses from hedging contracts (both for jet fuel and for LIBOR rates).you paid to read the article?
https://www.themarker.com/markets/.premium-1.8850705
you paid to read the article?
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox
you paid to read the article?
The real reason LY left IST is they can't profitably compete on price or product with TK...https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-ban-on-israeli-flights-could-bring-down-el-al/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-ban-on-israeli-flights-could-bring-down-el-al/And what changed that they can now fly LY planes there?
https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-ban-on-israeli-flights-could-bring-down-el-al/
And what changed that they can now fly LY planes there?Excellent question.
Excellent question.I stand by my theory until I hear otherwise.
I can't picture the Turkish government helping LY in any way, for political reasons.
I'll try and ask around
I stand by my theory until I hear otherwise.
LY dumped the route as they were getting killed by TK on frequency, price, product, etc. They whined in hope of getting compensated by Israel.
IINM a huge percentage of TK passenger volume ex-TLV was connecting to other destinations. It's not the direct TLV-IST (or other Turkish destinations) traffic that made TK so dominant. Case in point how many destinations other than IST (or SAW) are flown by TK as a direct route ex-TLV?More reasons for LY to bail.
There might be something to do with security too. After all LY hasn't been flying TLV-CAI or TLV-AMM for many years either.
More reasons for LY to bail.
I guess that article has really aged well. :P
Shkedy, Lieberman...
You have a double whammy here of ELAL and Israeli journalism, none of which has a great reputation for telling the truth.
Hope they don't decide to fly passengers six days a week and cargo on shabbos
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
I stand by my theory until I hear otherwise.
LY dumped the route as they were getting killed by TK on frequency, price, product, etc. They whined in hope of getting compensated by Israel.
I wouldn't hold my breath
https://passportnews.co.il/מחכים-לארדואן-אל-על-הגישה-בקשה-להטיס-מט/
In case you cant read Hebrew its pending approval
I wouldn't hold my breathIf he rejects, would Israel not retaliate against TK?
If he rejects, would Israel not retaliate against TK?Thats what LY expected the government to do in 2010 but they never did anything about it
If he rejects, would Israel not retaliate against TK?Based on the open skies policy, allowing Air India to fly over a Saudi airspace, the difficulty in giving them a bailout now, and more, the government doesn't seem overly concerned about LY's well-being....
Based on the open skies policy, allowing Air India to fly over a Saudi airspace, the difficulty in giving them a bailout now, and more, the government doesn't seem overly concerned about LY's well-being....Seems very different to me.
https://passportnews.co.il/מחכים-לארדואן-אל-על-הגישה-בקשה-להטיס-מט/
In case you cant read Hebrew its pending approval
Remember, this is Israeli journalism. It is to be assumed totally fake until proven otherwise.Forget about journalism.. we're trying to figure out how would LY do cargo flights to IST without proper security etc
Forget about journalism.. we're trying to figure out how would LY do cargo flights to IST without proper security etcWhy are you assuming no proper security?
Why are you assuming no proper security?LY only operate to places where local government will provide dedicated protection of its fleet and personnel.
Forget about journalism.. we're trying to figure out how would LY do cargo flights to IST without proper security etcFirst Cargo flight to IST Tomorrow!
First Cargo flight to IST Tomorrow!Link?
Link?
Flight number?
Link?Ly 581 was last night and the number for the other schedules ones
Flight number?
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001329742How so?
Based on that I would guess it already happened.
How so?
טיסה ראשונה בסדרה של מספר טיסות מתוכננת להמריא בשעות הבוקר המוקדמות של יום ראשון (24.5).
No arrival city listed?They are doing it Ethiad's way :)
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY581/history/20200524/0237Z/LLBG
They are doing it Ethiad's way :)Did they whitewash?
How so?Was 530am, landed 730
After a decade: El Al plane (4X-EDH) landed this morning after a long time in Istanbul 馃嚬馃嚪馃嚠馃嚤. T眉rkiye'den t眉m arkada艧lara g眉nayd谋n. @ynetalerts@avischarf pic.twitter.com/hSpmIWhRKy
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) May 24, 2020
After a decade: El Al plane (4X-EDH) landed this morning after a long time in Istanbul 馃嚬馃嚪馃嚠馃嚤. T眉rkiye'den t眉m arkada艧lara g眉nayd谋n. @ynetalerts@avischarf pic.twitter.com/hSpmIWhRKy
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) May 24, 2020
讚祝 讞讚砖? pic.twitter.com/jPezMkX6KD
— 讗讬谞讟诇讬 讟讬讬诪住 - Intelli Times (@IntelliTimes) May 24, 2020
https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5735812They still don't explain what has changed from a security standpoint
They still don't explain what has changed from a security standpoint
Cargo vs Passenger. Location of current IST airport vs location of Ataturk airport.Yeah i get back. But until recently they wouldn't let LY security enter turkey so evidently they changed their mind since there is always security in LY cargo planes.
Considering Turkish flies to TLV, I assume they have de of what they would need on the ground already.It's very different. LY has its own crew protecting the planes, plus local law enforcement protecting the crew and the assets etc
Random question - can a flight be 'confirmed' and not be for sale ;DSure. Happens all the time. They aren't interested in the risk of selling seats, but aren't ready to cancel the flight yet.
I have a booking for a tlv-bru at the end of June.
It's still marked as confirmed and I can see the seat map in expert flyer.
However.. LY is not selling any ticket to BRU until August for obvious reasons. So you won't find my flight on google flight etc
Sure. Happens all the time. They aren't interested in the risk of selling seats, but aren't ready to cancel the flight yet.Thanks
Random question - can a flight be 'confirmed' and not be for sale ;DThe sooner they cancel the sooner they have to refund. They'll cancel last minute.
I have a booking for a tlv-bru at the end of June.
It's still marked as confirmed and I can see the seat map in expert flyer.
However.. LY is not selling any ticket to BRU until August for obvious reasons. So you won't find my flight on google flight etc
The sooner they cancel the sooner they have to refund. They'll cancel last minute.Don't think Elal has processed any refunds since February
The sooner they cancel the sooner they have to refund. They'll cancel last minute.Fair enough. Especially since they no longer have revenues from Cargo.
Don't think Elal has processed any refunds since February-1.
Fair enough. Especially since they no longer have revenues from Cargo.I am very skeptical how accurate that report was. In any case, I doubt it will last long. IAA is a government agency, so they can survive without the money. IAA has been pushing highly misleading news repeatedly.
-1.I stand corrected then.
They're processing refunds for DOT complaints.
Don't think Elal has processed any refunds since FebruaryThere have been comments and DDMS saying that TAhave seen refunds.
There have been comments and DDMS saying that TAhave seen refunds.US tickets? Have you filed DoT complaints?
But based on my experience (they owe me quite a few tickets) but comments on Israeli travelers groups, I don't know anyone first hand who have received any refunds
US tickets? Have you filed DoT complaints?Not US
LY cargo flights groundedAny confirmation if this is real or fake news?
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-cargo-flights-grounded-by-aviation-authority-630021
Any confirmation if this is real or fake news?Not on any other Israeli news sites.
Not on any other Israeli news sites.https://www.inn.co.il/News/Flash.aspx/742797
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY381/history/20200602/0455Z/LLBG/LIMChttps://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY45
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY5/history/20200602/1551Z/LLBG/KLAX
Yup, I'm going to go with fake news.
https://simpleflying.com/el-al-grounded/?utm_source=popIt's not true
The details are going to change but the mindset is crystal clear, Israel is going to keep Elal flying.Agreed.
Current news stories circulating say that they are close to a deal where the government will provide a bailout, and in exchange will demand streamlining operations and take a (controlling) stake to be held in trust and sold once it can be sold for a profit.Isn't that what was discussed above?
Current news stories circulating say that they are close to a deal where the government will provide a bailout, and in exchange will demand streamlining operations and take a (controlling) stake to be held in trust and sold once it can be sold for a profit.
Wake me up when an agreement is reached.Lol
https://passportnews.co.il/עדיין-לא-חוזרת-אל-על-מאריכה-את-החלת-לעו/
Elal extended unemployment for 5800 employees through July 31
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-extends-unpaid-leave-of-thousands-of-workers-until-july-31-630748
Wake me up when an agreement is reached.Not yet ;)
Not yet ;)All boils down to this:
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-rejects-nationalization-with-counter-proposal-1001332870
The Israeli government has zero interest in control of Elal. The ruling Likud party & particularly Netanyahu are pretty much the only anti-socialist leadership Israel ever had, and they divested government holdings across the economy.
Now we just need the govt to denationalize the electric company and we can be matir Chashmal on shabbosHow would denationalizing it make it better for shabbos? You think a private licensee will be more shabbos observant?
How would denationalizing it make it better for shabbos? You think a private licensee will be more shabbos observant?
Israel's denationalization wave was durning Netanyahus first tenure 1996-1999. Netanyahu completely flopped in the following elections so he gave up on fighting the system. We've seen minor liberalizations (open skies with EU, breaking the cellular service cartels, and a few lowering of duties & import restrictions) but nothing sweeping.
The problems with the electricity are complicated.Valid points. Hopefully the next generation of Likud leaders like Amir Ohana will have the guts to take on the formidable IEC union.
It boils down to the fact that jews are producing electricity on shabbos actively which you benefit from instantly. Israel uses coal for much of their electricity (like it's the 1800s although they claim they use 1/3 coal and the rest is nuclear natural gas and solar wind bc if one supply gets cut off in case of war they dont want to be stuck therefore have constant multiple supply from multiple sources)
Since they use coal and there is little automation you have jewish workers shoveling coal into the fire with tractors.
If it was taken private then Arab workers could he hired to shovel the coal or it could be automated to the extent that it's only a Grama. (As of now govt/ Unions prevent this claiming it's a highly skilled job 🤨)
Also they would allow Rabbonim to go in and check out what's really happening as they have been caught lying in the past about what melachos are done on shabbos.
Disclaimer- not the greatest explanation of the shabbos issues. Again they are complicated.
Israel has a public interest in preserving Elal's operations, but little interest in preserving their shareholder equity..Pilots have now aligned this view.
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/regev-pushes-forward-plan-for-jewish-businessman-to-buy-el-al-632694I guess @Dan is considering taking them over, once and for all? ;)
https://www.mako.co.il/news-money/2020_q3/Article-d7be4b8bb814371027.htm
Came across this joke today... Predictable, I admitWhats the reason to bash ELAL?
Airport
A man is alone in an airport lounge.
A beautiful woman walks in and sits down at the table next to him.
He decides because she's wearing a uniform, she's probably an off-duty flight attendant.
So he decides to have a go at picking her up by identifying the airline she flies for, thereby impressing her greatly.
..........
There already down and out....Out?
of course not, I just mean for now...People bash it for a reason.
Personally I am not such a fan of Elal myself but I hate it when people start bashing Elal....
No מצוה too bash an Israeli company/airline (for whatever this comment is worth) who does protect Jews and does have respect and for the elderly.
Pilot committee seems to be refusing to agree to the proposed cuts. The Histadrut (largest labor union in Israel) of which the pilots are members is threatening to agree on behalf of the pilots over their objections. Pilots might decide to switch to a different labor union.Pilots have too much power. They are not afraid of seeing LY fail because they feel they could negotiate the same benefits with the new owners etc.
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiK2h0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnRoZW1hcmtlci5jb20vbWFya2V0cy8xLjg5OTU5MzbSAS9odHRwczovL3d3dy50aGVtYXJrZXIuY29tL2FtcC9tYXJrZXRzLzEuODk5NTkzNg?hl=he&gl=IL&ceid=IL%3Ahe
Pilots have too much power. They are not afraid of seeing LY fail because they feel they could negotiate the same benefits with the new owners etc.Why would you think that new owners will keep to such a policy?
Not sure how this can be solved if LY will only hire ex-military pilots
Why would you think that new owners will keep to such a policy?It's a good question.
It's a good question.
I always viewed this as an integral part of the company's security policy
other than avoiding suicidal pilotsI was thinking about this.
I was thinking about this.
Plus the fact that their background has been checked etc.
What percentage of commercial pilots in the world have turned out to be suicidal?you can't compare Israel to most other countries. Israel is a clear target.
How many airlines had such problems?
LY will only hire ex-military pilotsI don't think that policy is in place anymore.
I don't think that policy is in place anymore.Last week the head of the histadrut told pilots that if they disregard the last agreement which was sign on their behalf, then the union will recommend that LY hires pilots from abroad..
Last week the head of the histadrut told pilots that if they disregard the last agreement which was sign on their behalf, then the union will recommend that LY hires pilots from abroad..The policy still requires Israeli citizenship but not military background.
The policy still requires Israeli citizenship but not military background.Understood.
Understood.There probably is a fair amount of Israeli pilots who can be hired. The Elal jobs are extremely lucrative and in short supply
Then back to square one? I doubt there is an excess supply of Israeli pilots willing to go against the current consensus, but I could be wrong
Rosenberg makes official bid to buy LY.https://hamodia.com/2020/07/20/el-als-potential-buyer-offers-75m-45-company/
$75 million for 45% of the shares, not pending on receiving government's grants.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-eli-rozenberg-submits-official-bid-for-el-al-1001336524
What makes an almost anonymous businessman in Israel interested in buying a company that is in a huge crisis, almost completely shut down, with a debt of nearly two billion dollars for aircraft it has purchased and with aggressive workers committees? And all this at a time when the global aviation industry is in the worst crisis in its history due to the eruption of the coronavirus, a crisis that is forcing many governments to support local airlines.
The answer to that, a source close to Rozenberg said, is that 揘aftali抯 Rav told him that he must purchase El Al. In everything his Rav told him to invest to date, he succeeded. So he decided to go for it.
https://hamodia.com/2020/07/20/el-als-potential-buyer-offers-75m-45-company/Almost on day one, the Israeli press was very quick a pointing to Rozenberg's Rav
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This airline is an embarrassment.Totally agree. Can抰 wait for the day they go bankrupt!
According to Calcalist, Larry Maisel is also about to make a bidWho is he?
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3842318,00.html
Who is he?https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/1435616
Totally agree. Can抰 wait for the day they go bankrupt!NO! Let me get my refund first!
There probably is a fair amount of Israeli pilots who can be hired. The Elal jobs are extremely lucrative and in short supplyVery lucrative indeed
I Received the following e-mail from Chase Ultimate Rewards regarding the cancelled return leg of an El Al Ticket purchased with Chase Ultimate Rewards Points to bring my son home from Yeshiva in March, what should be my next step?There isn't much to do besides patiently wait (and file a claim with the DOT, if you haven't yet)
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-threatens-el-al-board-with-defamation-suit-1001339036https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-to-meet-el-al-board-next-tuesday-1001339163
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-meir-gurvitz-enters-race-to-buy-el-al-1001339178Yeah he's a real buyer. Not somebody who's going to try to sue his acquisition target for defamation
I actually know him. He's frum and an avgeek
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-meir-gurvitz-enters-race-to-buy-el-al-1001339178Does he have any interest in talking to me :)
I actually know him. He's frum and an avgeek
Does he have any interest in talking to me :)I can try to facilitate but he's extremely discreet. No doubt that if he ends up buying him he'd happy to IMHO
Yeah he's a real buyer. Not somebody who's going to try to sue his acquisition target for defamationToo be fair, elal stared playing dirty first and it was totally uncalled for.
I can try to facilitate but he's extremely discreet. No doubt that if he ends up buying him he'd happy to IMHOAlways happy to talk off the record.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-third-potential-buyer-seeks-permit-to-control-el-al-1001339800Any report of how the meeting with Rosenberg went today?
My daughters seminary wants us to book a group flight on EL AL right after Succos. Not that excited about that.LOL
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001339779Flagged above
Another potential bidder for ELAL. Calls for Government to remove their backstop.
Another bid? ::)Interesting..
https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1132458
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-chosen-to-carry-out-first-commercial-flight-from-israel-to-uae-640166Posted here
"Ultimately El Al was chosen, and will fly Israeli and US officials on the Boeing 737, chosen over the Dreamline 787, as the latter is not yet equipped with the Israel Aerospace Industries's Skyshiled systems"
So LY's famed missile avoidance systems aren't on any 787s?
And why don't they fly a 777?
After 5 months grounding, ELAl just took this 737 for airworthiness flight. It's planned to take historic Israeli delegation to UAE next week for normalization talks. Three pilots are heading Amsterdam for urgent simulator, as they have also not flown in ages. More later..
— avi scharf (@avischarf) August 27, 2020
4x-ehd pic.twitter.com/1Hb7eNXgit
So LY's famed missile avoidance systems aren't on any 787s?I find it very hard to believe.
No sims in IL?After 5 months grounding, ELAl just took this 737 for airworthiness flight. It's planned to take historic Israeli delegation to UAE next week for normalization talks. Three pilots are heading Amsterdam for urgent simulator, as they have also not flown in ages. More later..
— avi scharf (@avischarf) August 27, 2020
4x-ehd pic.twitter.com/1Hb7eNXgit
I find it very hard to believe.Very odd
Most times they have received a new 787 they had a two week gap where they were 'upgrading' them
I find it very hard to believe.
Most times they have received a new 787 they had a two week gap where they were 'upgrading' them
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— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) August 27, 2020
No sims in IL?
Strange... I have a friend at IAI, I'll try to understand from they wouldn't equip the 787.讘讗讬砖讜专 讛爪谞讝讜专讛: 讘谞讬讙讜讚 诇诪讟讜住讬 讛- 737, 注诇 诪讟讜住讬 讛讚专讬诪诇讬讬谞专 诇讗 讛讜转拽谞讜 诪注讜诇诐 诪注专讻讜转 "诪讙谉 专拽讬注". 注诇 讛诪注专讻转 讛讬砖专讗诇讬转 转讜讻诇讜 诇拽专讜讗 讻讗谉:https://t.co/Hwxu05SZYf pic.twitter.com/ndWKMFDoBi
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) August 27, 2020
Strange... I have a friend at IAI, I'll try to understand from they wouldn't equip the 787.So much for the people that say they only fly LY because of the anti-missile system.
And I guess they are not using the 777 because they have been converted to cargo planes?
The system only protects from shoulder launched infrared guided missiles, which can only reach a maximum of 20,000 feet, so it really only helps during takeoff and landing. That's besides the fact that a missile is unlikely to break a large planes' fuselage and it can sustain an engine loss without issues.So it's not on any 787s?
The Israeli government funded their installation originally, however there was a dispute with Elal over who would pay the large maintenance costs
No sims in IL?https://www.ias.co.il/תעופה/אל-על-חנכה-מדמה-טיסה-מדגם-בואינג-737/
So it's not on any 787s?
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LY Chief Digital Official resigns and posts his accomplishments in a long video
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shaharmarkovitch_digital-transformation-course-el-als-case-activity-6706165955388571648-ByDh
IMHO he had a lot of good ideas but likely didn't realize management wasnt ready to implement any of them
I wouldn't be surprised if they sue him for posting inside information publicly.Agreed
Elal had a flight from JFK today (842).Erm. They've been flying 2x weekly since April.
Erm. They've been flying 2x weekly since April.I thought they are shut down?
I thought they are shut down?
I thought they are shut down?For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.
For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.Are you sure?
Are you sure?
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
777 fleet has been converted to cargo.Yes but are they flying?
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.That's what I had in mind. Went through the flight history of all the tail numbers. Except maintenance here and there, not much move
LY Chief Digital Official resigns and posts his accomplishments in a long videoI had a lot of hope for him. Never materialized and I think the website is even worse than before, which is saying something.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shaharmarkovitch_digital-transformation-course-el-als-case-activity-6706165955388571648-ByDh
IMHO he had a lot of good ideas but likely didn't realize management wasnt ready to implement any of them
Elal had a flight from JFK today (842).
Cargo
For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.
777 fleet has been converted to cargo.
Yes but are they flying?
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.
That's what I had in mind. Went through the flight history of all the tail numbers. Except maintenance here and there, not much move
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.Fake news
Are you sure?They're operating 2x weekly to ny. And numerous weekly flights to LGG. Not necessarily their planes, but they are definitely flying.
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
LY plans weekly cargo flight to UAEWhy is a long detour via LGG?
(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines to operate the first commercial cargo flight by an Israeli airline from Ben Gurion International Airport to Dubai, according to emailed from company.
The first flight, using a Boeing 747 jet, will fly to Belgium and from there to Dubai, carrying agricultural and high tech products.
It will later become a weekly flight, leaving Israel every Wednesday and returning to Israel on Fridays.
Why is a long detour via LGG?Im guessing the tlv-lgg leg was already booked, and they are repositioning the plane in UAE instead of stopping by tlv
Now extended cancellation of all flights past yom tov; expertflyer showing 0 across the board for mid October for YYZ, EWR and most JFK flightsUntil they don't get bailed out there won't be flights
Dear EL AL Passenger,
Due to the COVID-19 situation, your flights with EL AL that were scheduled to depart on 01-24/10 have been canceled.
Your ticket will be kept for future use at this stage.
When EL Al returns to normal operation, we will offer you an alternative for your ticket or monetary refund, per your selection.
You can follow our flight schedule on our website: http://www.elal.com
We apologize for the inconvenience anticipate returning back to our regular operation.
EL AL.
Sitting on the beach, I just saw an LY plane in the sky.. first time in a while.. looks like just pilot training.. training for what? ;DAircraft airworthiness, or simply to keep the pilots current. I guess like them to answer them for similar training is going to be more expensive
Tami Borovitz is the James Dolan of the airline industry.
Delighted to join Aviation Eagles Wings as an advisor to acquire El Al & ensure a secure future.
— Jason D. Greenblatt 噩賷爻賳 噩乇賷賳 亘賱丕鬲 (@GreenblattJD) September 4, 2020
We're in an historical period for Israel & its national airline, with new opportunities for airlines to the UAE & points east.
Israel needs & deserves a strong national airline.馃嚠馃嚤 pic.twitter.com/z5OQigJ5Rj
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-sets-up-company-to-buy-el-al-in-public-offering-1001341989Delighted to join Aviation Eagles Wings as an advisor to acquire El Al & ensure a secure future.
— Jason D. Greenblatt 噩賷爻賳 噩乇賷賳 亘賱丕鬲 (@GreenblattJD) September 4, 2020
We're in an historical period for Israel & its national airline, with new opportunities for airlines to the UAE & points east.
Israel needs & deserves a strong national airline.馃嚠馃嚤 pic.twitter.com/z5OQigJ5Rj
LY agrees to go ahead with the equity issuances by September 15thThe article says a few days after Sep 15
We had 3 round-trip tickets EWR-TLV for late July that were cancelled.
El Al is simply unreachable.
We filed a DoT complaint and just received this (see below).
Has anyone else been in this situation and can tell us what to expect?
Thank you.
(I hope I'm posting in the right place.)
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This responds to your communication regarding EL AL ISRAEL. The U.S. Department of Transportation seeks to ensure that all airline passengers are treated fairly. Complaints from consumers are helpful to us in determining whether the airlines are in compliance with our rules and to track trends or spot areas of concern that warrant further action.
Based on the information you have provided, your complaint appears to fall under the Department's rules. We will forward your complaint to the airline and ask the company to respond directly to you with a copy to us. Airlines are required to acknowledge receipt of a consumer complaint within 30 days and provide a substantive response to the complainant within 60 days. We will review the airline's response. If you need to contact me, please include your name and case number (see above).
If our review of your complaint and the response from the company discloses a potential violation of our rules, we may pursue enforcement action. Generally, we pursue enforcement action on the basis of a number of complaints which may indicate a pattern or practice of violating our rules. Your complaint may be among those considered and may lead to appropriate enforcement action including the assessment of civil penalties. However, we have no authority to order compensation for individual complainants.
We have entered your complaint in our computerized industry monitoring system, and it will be counted among the number of complaints filed against this airline in our monthly Air Travel Consumer Report. This report allows consumers and air travel companies to compare the complaint records of individual airlines and tour operators. The data in this report also serve as a basis for rulemaking, legislation and research. Consumer information for air travelers, including the Air Travel Consumer Report and our pamphlet Fly-Rights, a Consumer's Guide to Air Travel, can be found on our website: www.transportation.gov/airconsumer. Thank you for taking the time to contact us.
I received the same response last week. I think we just need to wait (up to) 60 days to hears ElAl's response.Do you think the new owners will honor prior tickets like ours?
Do you think the new owners will honor prior tickets like ours?Yes
Are you sure?Ly 33 bibis plane is a regular elal 777.
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
Ly 33 bibis plane is a regular elal 777.As always
Wake me up when an agreement is reached.@Dan by tomorrow evening we should know who the new owner is. Then LY gets the State to guarantee the loans, and we're 'back in business'
@Dan by tomorrow evening we should know who the new owner is. Then LY gets the State to guarantee the loans, and we're 'back in business'
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-tase-150m-offering-to-go-ahead-tomorrow-1001342840
if its public how does it work?There is a bidding process, whereby whoever bids for the larger amount of shares gets them.
who gets to grab first? Rozenberg or Saphir?
Wait... he did not actually buy it yet.Before posting I've been trying to think what could go wrong from here. Can't think of anything ::)
Wait... he did not actually buy it yet.
meaning? who has to approve his bid?No one. But we don't have the official results yet.
LY just announced that the offering was oversubscribed, with the full ILS 505 million having been raised.
The list of owners will be disclosed separately
That's the list of new owners: doesn't help since the major shareholder holds them through bank hapoalim
link? Source?
for those not following the back and forth can we have the the whole story in short?Long story short, we don't know yet who the new owner is.
if its to much for you @tavster maybe @Dan can put it in the new years news roundup!?
So now practical , how does this change things?Wait and see?!
So now practical , how does this change things?Practically they can call for a board meeting, appoint new directors, new management, new strategy etc...
It's really historical. Kenny is committed to making the airline cater to Chareidim on a whole new level. He is very aware of the issues we faced with ELAL up till now and the strategy is to change that. They will revamp Matmid to make it competitive, cater to onflight minyanim, separate seating, families with children, etc. The NYC-TLV & LON-TLV routes will have everything the Chareidi traveler can dream of. There will be a huge blitz in the Chareidi media explaining all this. And there will be a firm commitment to Shabbos. This is a real gamechanger.Source?
Source?
It's really historical. Kenny is committed to making the airline cater to Chareidim on a whole new level. He is very aware of the issues we faced with ELAL up till now and the strategy is to change that. They will revamp Matmid to make it competitive, cater to onflight minyanim, separate seating, families with children, etc. The NYC-TLV & LON-TLV routes will have everything the Chareidi traveler can dream of. There will be a huge blitz in the Chareidi media explaining all this. And there will be a firm commitment to Shabbos. This is a real gamechanger.Wow. I'd love to interview him.
. There will be a huge blitz in the Chareidi media explaining all this.
Wow. I'd love to interview him.lets go
A mutual associate. Just sit back and watch it unfold for the best iyh.Except for the Matmid part, I'm getting nervous about the rest. Separate sitting??
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Except for the Matmid part, I'm getting nervous about the rest. Separate sitting??Yea why not there will be an option when purchasing the ticket will be somewhere in the back.
Yea why not there will be an option when purchasing the ticket will be somewhere in the back.The last thing we need is another monsey bus! We knowit does not work
Will they have a usable premium product so the PM won't need to sleep on the floor?This is super strange. Why is he sleeping backwards, with his head on the footrest? :o
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The last thing we need is another monsey bus! We knowit does not workExplain?
The last thing we need is another monsey bus! We knowit does not workinstead of people not sitting down they will set aside seats in the back for all those people
Explain?The monsey bus had/has a mechitza on the bus. (picture huge tabelcloth hanging in the middle)
This is super strange. Why is he sleeping backwards, with his head on the footrest? :ohe is sleeping on the floor!
I dont think it necessitates anything more than setting aside the back row of a flight (max 9 seats) for anyone who has a problem with their seating neighbor. And this only needs to be done on 2-3 routes on the network.
In general, rules like "if you say something about your seat you will be thrown off" can be axed immediately, and an attitude of respect to the needs of single chareidi travelles will go a long way.
First press release. https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A4%D7%99-%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%95-%D7%90%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99/
Quote (google translate)
El Al, controlled by "Eagles Wings", will place special emphasis on meeting schedules on all its flights, will invest many resources in improving the service and improving the flight experience for all its customers, and will work to upgrade the food served to passengers in all departments
I dont think it necessitates anything more than setting aside the back row of a flight (max 9 seats) for anyone who has a problem with their seating neighbor. And this only needs to be done on 2-3 routes on the network.It's an extremely sensitive matter. So they would need to communicate very carefully. If the frum crowd get the impression that they can ask someone else to change seats, and that this will be tolerated because the owner is frum, it will be the beginning of the end
In general, rules like "if you say something about your seat you will be thrown off" can be axed immediately, and an attitude of respect to the needs of single chareidi travelles will go a long way.
he is sleeping on the floor!More comfortable than angle flat seats.
It's an extremely sensitive matter. So they would need to communicate very carefully. If the from crowd get the impression that they can ask someone else to change seats, and that this will be tolerated because the owner is frum, it will be the beginning of the end+1. Needs to be done smartly and PC, but it can be done.
More comfortable than angle flat seats.
Will they have a usable premium product so the PM won't need to sleep on the floor?
+1. Needs to be done smartly and PC, but it can be done.
I've been on 777 F more times that I can count, and can definitely say that the seats are more comfortable that the floor ???
Must be some kind of meshigass
They flew to Dubai on a 737 no real JThis is from now
So he slept on the floor.
+1. Needs to be done smartly and PC, but it can be done.
Wow. I'd love to interview him.
The monsey bus had/has a mechitza on the bus. (picture huge tabelcloth hanging in the middle)
There was a while back a terrible story on the very same bus ודי לחכימא
It was only 1,000,000 points.
— DansDeals (@DansDeals) September 16, 2020
I almost bought it, but the $100,000,000 in fuel surcharges killed the deal!
Tomorrow's post: How the Chase 5/24 rule can block you from buying an airline and how to avoid it
— Leibel (@Squilled) September 16, 2020
Anyone know Eli's number? I need to send a small package to my cousin in Israel
— DansDeals (@DansDeals) September 16, 2020
Okay but is he married https://t.co/Q00S8O3R1W
— Bill James should be in the HOF (@Huerts31) September 16, 2020
It will now be called Eli Al.
— Eli Langer (@EliLanger) September 16, 2020
Maybe he will create a premium product to avoid this:https://t.co/Rn1jaH6mBA
— aygart (@aygart) September 16, 2020
BTW, the floor is pretty comfortable, in back of the back row seats there is a space, tried it sometimes when in Y, usally takes FA's some time to nudge to move.Maybe he will create a premium product to avoid this:https://t.co/Rn1jaH6mBA
— aygart (@aygart) September 16, 2020
— Chaikel (@ChaikelK) September 16, 2020
On an unrelated matter, LY extends unpaid leave of its employees, and flights resumption, until October 30th ::)
I've been on 777 F more times that I can count, and can definitely say that the seats are more comfortable that the floor ???is there F on the plane that he took because that footrest next to him looks like the business class seat.
Must be some kind of meshigass
is there F on the plane that he took because that footrest next to him looks like the business class seat.Yeah. These are the F seats in the 777
Contrary to what was filed this morning at the tel aviv stock exchange, Globes reports that LY will restart service to NY, London, Paris, on October 12I also see flights to Athens bookable from October 2nd.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-to-restart-passenger-flights-next-month-1001343109
@Dan :o
he is sleeping on the floor!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/picture-of-netanyahu-apparently-sleeping-on-plane-floor-stirs-debate/Flying a 777 costs less than the $145,000 the private jet would have cost?
Flying a 777 costs less than the $145,000 the private jet would have cost?No. But the 777 includes the entire delegation etc.
being reported that Jason Greenblat will be taking a director position in the new ELA, they are hoping to make use of his relations around the world.
https://passportnews.co.il/%d7%91%d7%a2%d7%a7%d7%91%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%a9%d7%aa%d7%9c%d7%98%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%a8%d7%95%d7%96%d7%a0%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%92-%d7%9e%d7%a0%d7%9b%d7%9c-%d7%90%d7%9c-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%a6%d7%a4%d7%95/
No. But the 777 includes the entire delegation etc.Ah...
The plan for the private jet was for Bibi and his wife alone, with the delegation flying separately
He had some role in the offering part as well, when u leave government....., good for him.Could you stop with bashing the "elite class"? He actually had a much higher paying job prior to joining the Trump administration.
Ah...Could you stop with bashing the "elite class"? He actually had a much higher paying job prior to joining the Trump administration.I didn't bash and don't think there is anything wrong with taking a job when leaving government, I left those "........" in there so everyone can interpret the way they want, obviously you can by default chose the negative one. I ended with "good for him", I really do wish him all good.
Topic change.Already asked and answered on DDMS
El Al will supposedly offer a 125% voucher for all cancelled flights.
I don't understand this.
If El Al raises their prices that wipes out the extra 25%.
For example, if I paid $1000 for a ticket and I get a voucher for $1250, by the time I redeem the voucher chances are the ticket prices will have gone up to approximately $1250 wiping out any benefit.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.
Already asked and answered on DDMSThank you.
Anyone know Eli's number? I need to send a small package to my cousin in Israel
— DansDeals (@DansDeals) September 16, 2020
(https://i.gyazo.com/d4e030b4c1c3c25dfd097b7ad1a19d27.png)Funniest part is, it is actually "Kenny" who is the real owner.
funniest part is, whoever put this together thought his name is Kenny ???
So did they reach out to Dan or not?Good question.
on a side note just curious with all their flying back and forth to israel the past few weekS, were they the only ones, besides government, allowed into Israel on a permit without having to quarantine for 14 days ? did anyone hear of anyone else?No. Yes.
They are looking to replace all the board members
@Dan it's your chance! ;)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580
אל תשכח. משימתך מר רוזנברג היא קודם כל להבהיר לטייסים מי בעל הבית ומי קובע את העניינים. אחר כך, קצץ להם 50% לפחות. ותחתים אותם על מסמך התחייבות שטייס שיגרום נזקים מכוונים לאל על כפי שנעשה עד כה יפוטר מיידית מהחברה. לא תעשה זאת ? ראה את כספך ככסף שהושלך לפח אשפה.
They are looking to replace all the board membersI guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
@Dan it's your chance! ;)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.I don't have an educated answer.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
Necessary move. Need to drain the swamp.I want to believe that Rosenberg's advisors have done their homework before investing
Biggest challenge is dealing with the unions. As the sole (at this point) commenter on the article wrote:
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.Pathetic.
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.Eli can hire Kenny as a consultant.
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Pathetic.Understatement.
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.Link?
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Link?https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/RHtm/1322001-1323000/H1322633.htm
https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/RHtm/1322001-1323000/H1322633.htmDoes it say who submitted the complaint?
Does it say who submitted the complaint?Yes it's a elal filling. It says 'the company turned to the ministers'
Does it say who submitted the complaint?Osishkin and Fogelman signed it.
Now picked up in Globesאלדון שדלסון
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343653
אלדון שדלסוןWell said.
הרגע
יש גבול לחוצפה שלך. כשלת בניהול החברה עם שכר הטייסים. 700 טייסים ל 40 מטוסים. התבלבלת??? ושכר מנופח. אחרי שהפלת תחברה לפני פשיטת רגל. בא איש עסקים שמוכן לשים כסף כשאת לא מוכנה לשים שקל אחד בהנפקה הוא כן שם. למה שהמדינה תשב ותממן תכשלונות שלך על חשבון האזרחים. את מוזמנת לעזוב תחברה כמו נוחי דנקר שעזב את אי די בי. ועוד אנשי עסקים שנפלו. המדינה לא אמורה לממן אותך
Well said.
If I was a shareholder I would sue the board for failing on its fiduciary duties
This may be an unpopular opinion here, but we all know the Kenny was behind this from the beginning. Heck, DDMS reported that numerous times. To me, that leaves 2 questions:
1. Was the holding company funded through an above board loan? That would generally require certain legal documents to exist, including things like paying interest at prevailing rates etc?
2. Even if it was all technically legal, since the Knesset has some discretion here, should they care if it's more of a "wink wink" sort of thing? Presumably, the government doesn't want to be on the hook for all these shares, so I imagine they wouldn't care unless there are serious irregularities here.
1. Are you aware of what AFR rates currently are?For a risky investment opportunity to buy a failing airline? Guessing pretty high.
2. They have the option to care or not care.
For a risky investment opportunity to buy a failing airline? Guessing pretty high.
What does that have to do with AFR (applicable federal rates)?Is that the only applicable factor for Israel's requirements? I'm asking - I genuinely don't know.
https://resources.evans-legal.com/?p=2591
Is that the only applicable factor for Israel's requirements? I'm asking - I genuinely don't know.
Rosenberg's lawyers respond to the allegations. Call them lies.
My favorite quote: "The Borowitz Group appears to be illegally using EL AL's name for its own purposes that are inconsistent with EL AL's goals, with some board members making cynical use of their formal authority. "
https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A4%D7%99-%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A3-%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A8/
Is the 125% voucher only able to be redeemed on El Al's site?So go for the refund
If yes, that poses a problem as I'll explain.
Often tickets are significantly cheaper on 3rd part sites than El Al's site.
For example, we purchased El Al tickets on Momondo for last August at $1100 each while on El Al's site those same tickets were $1500 each.
Hence, if the 125% voucher can only be used on El Al's site we will actually be taking quite a loss.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.
So go for the refundI know that.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-resumes-passenger-flights-1001343984Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?
42 flights scheduled over the next two weeks.
Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?No sure what's going on.
Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-govt-to-permit-eli-rozenberg-to-control-el-al-1001343992
Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?Take time to replace the board
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— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 1, 2020
Flight passenger flight delayed by 2 hours due to technical issues ::)It's not just an airline ;D讞讘专转 讗诇 讗诇 讛讬转讛 讗诪讜专讛 诇讛讜爪讬讗 讘砖注讛 10:00 讗转 讟讬住转讛 讛专讗砖讜谞讛 讗讞专讬 4 讞讜讚砖讬诐, 讗讜诇诐 讘注拽讘讜转 转拽诇讛 讘诪谞讜注 诪讟讜住 讛讚专讬诪诇讬讬谞专 诇讗转讜谞讛, 讛讛诪专讗讛 谞讚讞讬转 讜讛谞讜住注讬诐 诪诪转讬谞讬诐 拽专讜讘 诇砖注转讬讬诐 讘转讜讱 讛诪讟讜住 讘讞讜住专 讜讚讗讜转. 爪讬诇讜诐: 诪讗讬讛 诪讬 专讝@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/weZemqTfpQ
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 1, 2020
It's not just an airline ;DGood to know you can count on some things staying the same in 2020.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/first-el-al-commercial-flight-after-virus-hiatus-is-grounded-due-to-engine-fault/
Shocked that Elal is actually flying again.I'm scheduled to fly with them next week BH.
Shocked that Elal is actually flying again.+1
I bet the CEO's kids (who are back from BOS) went to vacation in Greece or something.Lol
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rami-levy-opens-bidding-for-israir-1001344457
Looks like Israir might be on the sales block soon.
From October 25, 2020, The company will resume passenger flights to Los Angeles and Miami.How are they going to fill these planes?
From their Corona page.
American Express Losing El Al As A Transfer PartnerWhich makes matmid lose the little value it has
https://viewfromthewing.com/american-express-dropping-el-al-as-a-transfer-partner/
How are they going to fill these planes?
Israeli lockdowns forbid people from going beyond a certain distance from their homes, as long as it's within the borders. So one can't go from Jerusalem to Tzfas, but is allowed to go to MIA or LAX.Incorrect. They're asking people at the airport for proof that they purchased their flight before September 25. I'm not saying it's impossible to forge a ticket for an earlier date, but they're definitely making it very unpleasant to fly.
How are they going to fill these planes?.
.My sister flew DL JFK-TLV last week and had 15 people on the flight. Unbelievable for the week before Sukkos!
Incorrect. They're asking people at the airport for proof that they purchased their flight before September 25. I'm not saying it's impossible to forge a ticket for an earlier date, but they're definitely making it very unpleasant to fly.I can confirm.
And yes, definitely not complicated to edit the date on the PDF of a receiptObviously
ObviouslyBut in the rare event that you're caught lying, you can be charged with criminal charges (was clearly stated in the warning)
i need ti fly from tlv-ny with my whole family an elal ticket is 100 usd cheaper than united
can i rely on them that they will start to fly after om tov?
(https://i.postimg.cc/0jnvKRw6/IMG-20201012-WA0015.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KzFh4Zx)Was this flight for sale or just cargo?
Was this flight for sale or just cargo?Sale
They are flying again?
From what I can tell, LY is restarting LAX, MIA, FRA, AMS, Kiev, Sofia, in addition to the JFK, CDG, ATH which have already restartedhttps://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-restarts-tel-aviv-us-european-routes-1001345636
https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-el-als-new-owner-needs-to-do-to-make-airline-soar/Many good points... but surprisingly no mention of an overhaul of its FF program...
LY offering $250-$300 discounts to JFKthis is ex-tlv only i presume
@chff is that true?
https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%90%D7%9C-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%94-%D7%9C%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%A9%D7%9C-100-300-%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%A8-%D7%91%D7%98%D7%99/
i booked a ticket on mytrip.com for an elal flight last april which was canceled.They are saying the truth, LY is punting off to agents without actually giving them access to refund.
about 3 weeks ago i filled out the form for a refund + 30 points.
i got the 30 points into my account and a confirmation email from elal that i should contact the travel agent to complete the refund process.
i spoke to mytrip.com today, and they said the refund is approved by elal, but they havent given them back the money yet.
are they saying the truth? is that really how it works?
is there anything i can do?
thank u
They are saying the truth, LY is punting off to agents without actually giving them access to refund.will we hear when they release funds, or do i constantly have to be checking?
if i flew one way on a rt elal ticket, can i get a refund for the return leg ? [cancelled by elal]It抯 unclear how they will calculate the value of this half a ticket. Wouldn抰 be surprised if they charge you claiming that the oneway is more expensive.
if i flew one way on a rt elal ticket, can i get a refund for the return leg ? [cancelled by elal]Had 2 returns canceled, with Virgin Atlantic and Lufthansa. Both gave me way less then half, claiming there are non refundable taxes etc.
At long last, appointment of new board (members) expected today. Will this be a dawn of a new era for LY?Ive met Brodet a few times. I think he's the best person for the job. Put differently, if he doesn't manage to solve the current HR / culture issues within LY, no one else will, IMHO :)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001346120
Ive met Brodet a few times. I think he's the best person for the job. Put differently, if he doesn't manage to solve the current HR / culture issues within LY, no one else will, IMHO :)
And it really boils down to those two issue. Culture (corporate DNA) and HR. Everything else can fall into place once these two fundamental issues are resolved.He's successfully tackled these 2 issues at Leumi.
At long last, appointment of new board (members) expected today. Will this be a dawn of a new era for LY?Brodet, Ben Zvi, Shalo, Cohen, Greenblat and Englemat just appointed.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001346120
Looks like they are proactively extending status by 12 months.Yes, and here you go with the full details (in Hebrew though..)
Both DW and me got extended without asking for it, or being notified
Yes, and here you go with the full details (in Hebrew though..)
seems like they also extending the expiration deadline for the actual points.
Looks highly professional with the typo in the CEO's name... ::)
Good grief, I sure hope the new mgmt. is a little more serious. It's exactly this lack of attention to small details (among other things) that reflects the very root of the problem with this company, and many other Israeli companies.It's not just an airline, it's Israel 8)
讚讬讬诇讬 讟讬住转 讗诇 注诇 LY8 诪谞讬讜 讬讜专拽 诇谞转讘"讙 诇讗 讛爪诇讬讞讜 诇讛讜砖讬讘 讗转 讛谞讜住注讬诐 讘讝诪谉 讛讟讬住讛 讜讘讻讱 诇讗 谞砖诪专 专讬讞讜拽 讞讘专转讬 讜讙诐 诇讗 讞讘讬砖转 诪住讬讻讜转 讘讛转讗诐 诇讚专讬砖讜转 讛转注讜驻讛 讘讝诪谉 拽讜专讜谞讛. 讗讞转 讛谞讜住注讜转 住驻专讛 "讛诐 讛转驻诇诇讜 讘诪讟讜住 讜讛转注诇诪讜 诪讛讚讬讬诇讬诐 讜讛讚讬讬诇讜转 砖诇讘住讜祝 讛专讬诪讜 讬讚讬讬诐"@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/CQbKhfuT6u
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 22, 2020
Best of luck to Rosenberg.As R' Asher Weiss wrote in his letter בושה תכסה ארץ
Really saddens me to see this :'(讚讬讬诇讬 讟讬住转 讗诇 注诇 LY8 诪谞讬讜 讬讜专拽 诇谞转讘"讙 诇讗 讛爪诇讬讞讜 诇讛讜砖讬讘 讗转 讛谞讜住注讬诐 讘讝诪谉 讛讟讬住讛 讜讘讻讱 诇讗 谞砖诪专 专讬讞讜拽 讞讘专转讬 讜讙诐 诇讗 讞讘讬砖转 诪住讬讻讜转 讘讛转讗诐 诇讚专讬砖讜转 讛转注讜驻讛 讘讝诪谉 拽讜专讜谞讛. 讗讞转 讛谞讜住注讜转 住驻专讛 "讛诐 讛转驻诇诇讜 讘诪讟讜住 讜讛转注诇诪讜 诪讛讚讬讬诇讬诐 讜讛讚讬讬诇讜转 砖诇讘住讜祝 讛专讬诪讜 讬讚讬讬诐"@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/CQbKhfuT6u
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 22, 2020
Best of luck to Rosenberg.Love it!
Really saddens me to see this :'(讚讬讬诇讬 讟讬住转 讗诇 注诇 LY8 诪谞讬讜 讬讜专拽 诇谞转讘"讙 诇讗 讛爪诇讬讞讜 诇讛讜砖讬讘 讗转 讛谞讜住注讬诐 讘讝诪谉 讛讟讬住讛 讜讘讻讱 诇讗 谞砖诪专 专讬讞讜拽 讞讘专转讬 讜讙诐 诇讗 讞讘讬砖转 诪住讬讻讜转 讘讛转讗诐 诇讚专讬砖讜转 讛转注讜驻讛 讘讝诪谉 拽讜专讜谞讛. 讗讞转 讛谞讜住注讜转 住驻专讛 "讛诐 讛转驻诇诇讜 讘诪讟讜住 讜讛转注诇诪讜 诪讛讚讬讬诇讬诐 讜讛讚讬讬诇讜转 砖诇讘住讜祝 讛专讬诪讜 讬讚讬讬诐"@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/CQbKhfuT6u
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 22, 2020
My suggestion to the future CEO.
When you have a group of passengers who won't comply, you ask the pilot to land in the nearest airport, and hand those passengers to local authorities.. do that two - three times and see what happens
I would initiate a charge back were this to happen to me. (Not the landing, rather the lack of doing anything/adverse action).I don't understand your point
I don't understand your point
If I paid for a flight with certain conditions and safety/health standards, I would expect full enforcement and those standards to be met.Now I get it.
I flew last week on UAMany ppl argue that this type of events, while rare, mostly happen on LY flights
I flew last week on UA, and 90% of economy was chareidi, and there was BH no issues at all. The vast majority of the passengers complied with the crew and all was smooth.
I can only think of two reasons why this may have been different:
1) The crew didn't handle the situation smartly, which may have incited the passengers to just ignore the rules.
2) The more likely reason.... Last week, there weren't more than a handful of teenagers flying because the permits were only issued from the 18th. Most men were grown discipline adults, many flying with their families. This week's flights were packed with teenager students. Apparently, there needs to be more awareness made to these teenagers, about priorities in such situations. (I thought the past year taught most people a lot about priorities in yiddishkeit... But apparently some still don't understand it) Many righteous Jews daven while seated when flying. And I think most adult passengers, know how to act in a respectful manner on a flight (even the ultra-orthodox).
IINM most (all?) Halachic authorities say that one is SUPPOSED to sit while Davening on a flying airplane.Correct.
Many ppl argue that this type of events, while rare, mostly happen on LY flightsDo the passengers self select LY or does the LY crew fail to deescalate?
Correct.THis is MOST or ALL????? :-\
See Igros Moshe O"C 4 20
THis is MOST or ALL????? :-\
I came back after sukkes with United with family, (was 70% empty)and they announced on Mic that the front kitchen section is empty whoever wants to pray, can pray there.....
There are defintley situations that some poskim said that need to daven while sitting, but it's not a blank check because someone is lazy to stand, to daven while sitting if the conditions allow it.
Like the stewards on the plane who know to say to chareidi... Rav Vozner said to daven while seated and need to put on Mask because of Venishmartem.....
Do the passengers self select LY or does the LY crew fail to deescalate?Yes.
Do the passengers self select LY or does the LY crew fail to deescalate?Mostly the first, I think.
THis is MOST or ALL????? :-\Source? A simple reading of SA says you should sit.
I came back after sukkes with United with family, (was 70% empty)and they announced on Mic that the front kitchen section is empty whoever wants to pray, can pray there.....
There are defintley situations that some poskim said that need to daven while sitting, but it's not a blank check because someone is lazy to stand, to daven while sitting if the conditions allow it.
Like the stewards on the plane who know to say to chareidi... Rav Vozner said to daven while seated and need to put on Mask because of Venishmartem.....
Do the passengers self select LY or does the LY crew fail to deescalate?
Do the passengers self select LY or does the LY crew fail to deescalate?
Has anyone gotten a refund or voucher after filling out the form linked to here?Yes, a voucher
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/el-al/el-al-opens-form-choose-refund-125-voucher-will-choose/
Has anyone gotten a refund or voucher after filling out the form linked to here?
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/el-al/el-al-opens-form-choose-refund-125-voucher-will-choose/
Yes, a voucher
Yes, voucher arrived within a few days. Cash refunds may take significantly longer.
Cash refunds may take significantly longer.any idea how long?
any idea how long?Up until now they indicated having processed all refunds for flights until end of April. And slowly slowly moving on with more recent flights
06 DEC 2020Very hard to predict.
AMS to TLV
Do you all think this will actually fly?
Up until now they indicated having processed all refunds for flights until end of April. And slowly slowly moving on with more recent flightsi have an "approved refund" for an april flight, not refunded yet
Just received my voucher.What do you mean? it says $1229.01
It states as follows:
***********
Dear....
Shalom,
Thank you for choosing a credit voucher for EL AL
Israel Airlines.
The voucher replaces the following ticket(s):
Ticket number: .......
Value: 1229.01 [USD]
***********
However, it doesn't state the value of the voucher which is supposed to be 25% more.
Is this an issue?
How can I check on the value of the voucher?
Thanks.
What do you mean? it says $1229.01He seems to imply that's what he paid for the ticket.
He seems to imply that's what he paid for the ticket.Ah
Ah
Strange. By me the stated value included the 25% bonus
Resuming 4 weekly flights to Zurich from Nov 12, including code share with SwissAccording to hul_mehudar Switzerland is dropping quarantine requirement for passengers coming from Israel.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/israels-el-al-to-resume-zurich-flights-codeshare-with-swiss-2020-10-22
He seems to imply that's what he paid for the ticket.Correct.
Same here, I feel your pain... This will probably be a headache to sort out now.Not looking forward......:(
He seems to imply that's what he paid for the ticket.Whoops, my bad.
Is it common that travel agents can get a better price for El Al flights (purchasing directly from El Al) than what is being shown on El Al's own website?It is very common with elal. If vouchers work with TAs, definitely use one. Even if it抯 the same price, you (hopefully) have who to talk to if things go wrong, and why not let a heimishe yid earn a commission at no cost to you?
(If yes, it would be better to redeem the voucher through an agent than directly through El Al.)
It is very common with elal. If vouchers work with TAs, definitely use one. Even if it抯 the same price, you (hopefully) have who to talk to if things go wrong, and why not let a heimishe yid earn a commission at no cost to you?Agreed.
If a TA is more expensive, that抯 obviously a different story...
Agreed.According to this post, TAs can book using the voucher
And I presume the vouchers work with TAs since they can be used with El Al like a credit card.
Maybe a TA (or someone knowledgeable) can chime in on this.
Looking for an email address that can be used for the targeted offer for discounted ELAL tickets from the U.S to Israel.I can help for the JFK TLV JFK route.
All I need is an email address, I will do everything else and you can just ignore the confirmation email.
PM if you can help.
Thanks!
The vouchers that El Al gave for cancelled flights (that had a bonus 25%), would it be ok to sell them on DDF or to an agent?I don't see why not
They are officially transferable, so would there be any issue?
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Where do you see SkyShield confirmed?讞讘专转 讗诇 注诇 讛讜讚讬注讛 讻讬 转讞诇 讘讛驻注诇转 讟讬住讜转 讬砖讬专讜转 诇讚讜讘讗讬 讛讞诇 诪讛-13 讘讚爪诪讘专 讘诪讟讜住讬 讛-737 讜讛787 ("讚专讬诪诇讬讬谞专") 砖诇 讛讞讘专讛. 诪讚讜讘专 讘-14 讟讬住讜转 砖讘讜注讬讜转, 3 讟讬住讜转 讘讬诪讬诐 专讗砖讜谉 讜讞诪讬砖讬, 讜砖转讬 讟讬住讜转 讬讜诪讬讜转 讘讬诪讬诐 讘', 讙', 讚', 讜' 馃嚠馃嚤馃嚘馃嚜@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/ANXylem3zM
— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) November 23, 2020
Including 787 :-)
@Dan #noskyshield ;-)
Where do you see SkyShield confirmed?I meant to mean no sky shield. I.e. they don't care that there is no sky shield
I meant to mean no sky shield. I.e. they don't care that there is no sky shieldRight, but is that confirmed?
Right, but is that confirmed?I believe we would have heard about it if they had installed SS over the past few weeks
Awards are blocked from QF.Are they open from LY?
Not surprised!
Are they open from LY?Yes 200 points + taxes in Y per way, 400 in J. 300 in premium
Yes 200 points + taxes in Y per way, 400 in JIs that the exec/flycard price?
(https://i.postimg.cc/15ND1w9D/Screenshot-20201123-175719.png) (https://postimg.cc/0bPzp6KN)
Is that the exec/flycard price?Exec/flycard
Y+ price?
Premium is 300 + tax$54 or $94?
$54 or $94?$74
Best of luck to the new CEOVery strange choice of CEO.
https://www.themarker.com/markets/.premium-1.9329074
Very strange choice of CEO.I suggested Gordon Bethune :)
I don't know much about him but it doesn't look like he has experience with aviation.. maybe that's what they need in lieu of arrogant former pilots
maybe that's what they need in lieu of arrogant former pilots
I believe he was in the Israeli Air Force... check out his LinkedIn profile...Indeed.
http://linkedin.com/in/avigalsoreq (http://linkedin.com/in/avigalsoreq)
So after all of that, they hired another military guy to run the airline?With zero aviation experience.
I'm so excited ;DWhat status do you hold?
(https://i.postimg.cc/MK6f4zph/Screenshot-20201126-195939.png) (https://postimg.cc/fkPbSnXK)
What status do you hold?TP
TPCurious if they're offering it to all elites, or just the few at the top. Likely targeted to TP
Why?
Curious if they're offering it to all elites, or just the few at the top. Likely targeted to TP
In the fine print, it says only Plat and TP that hold a Fly Card.There are a lot of Plats out there. And since FC is free for Gold and up, that's a big audience
There are a lot of Plats out there. And since FC is free for Gold and up, that's a big audienceIs El Al flying from JFK and or EWR to Israel yet?
Is El Al flying from JFK and or EWR to Israel yet?
If not, any idea when they will?
Thanks.
They are re-launching next week.They've been flying to JFK since Oct 12, and they started Newark flights Dec 1
3x weekly
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יש כאן אהבה והיא תנצחיאלה מימונה......בנר השמיני של חנוכה
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— 讗讬转讬 讘诇讜诪谞讟诇 Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) December 10, 2020
The airline probably got him a permit or got him considered crewMaybe's he's Jewish and hold Israeli citizenship :P?
揅hange in Handling Invalidates Long Standing Heter for Kohanim on El Al抯 JFK Flights.I thought Kohanim flew LY from EWR?
A long standing heter that allowed kohanim to fly El Al from JFK to Tel Aviv, even when niftarim are present, has been retracted, effective immediately.
But after being alerted that El Al was placing aronos directly into the cargo hold with no outer covering, the heter is no longer relevant and kohanim should not fly to Israel on any El Al flight out of JFK until further notice.
*READ FULL STORY ON YWN:* https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1929215/misaskim-alert-change-in-handling-invalidates-long-standing-heter-for-kohanim-on-el-als-jfk-flights.html
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/1929215/misaskim-alert-change-in-handling-invalidates-long-standing-heter-for-kohanim-on-el-als-jfk-flights.html
I thought Kohanim flew LY from EWR?It seems like this was a specific heter given for jfk even though there were bodies on the plane. Probably ppl that didn't hold of heter flew from EWR
Does anyone know what the current El Al policy is regarding corona? if I book tickets for the future and I cant fly becuase of corona, does El Al allow for cancellations / refunds?No free cancellations (unless the airline cancels/changes schedule). But free changes.
Does anyone know what the current El Al policy is regarding corona? if I book tickets for the future and I cant fly becuase of corona, does El Al allow for cancellations / refunds?dont be sure u ever will see your money back. i have flights canceled in april that they still have not refunded
dont be sure u ever will see your money back. i have flights canceled in april that they still have not refundedTake the voucher! Or put it up for sale here at the cost of the ticket. No point in fighting the airline today, once it's so easy to get your money alternatively.
Take the voucher! Or put it up for sale here at the cost of the ticket. No point in fighting the airline today, once it's so easy to get your money alternatively.too late. once i requested a cash refund they wont change it
Or put it up for sale here at the cost of the ticket.Not so simple.
Not so simple.I think @yandmk implied that TAs will get them off your hands for what you paid for your tickets, i.e. giving the 25% bonus to the TA..
I put mine up for sale here for 10% off and no buyers so far.
I think @yandmk implied that TAs will get them off your hands for what you paid for your tickets, i.e. giving the 25% bonus to the TA..Thank you.
Not necessarily fair but it's a way to get back your money back faster than through LY
Thank you.@chff, @yandmk
Does anyone know of any agents I can try?
@chff, @yandmkHmm...they see my posts and haven't reached out.
anyone know how i put in voucher in sabre? never used it beforehope that helps
do i input as a CC? they said it would work as a CC
if yes what card type? IDK (might want to look up the first few numbers to see if it matches VISA, MC, or AMEX
anyone know how i put in voucher in sabre? do i input as a CC? if yes what card type?