Post by: Jay the PRESIDENT on October 24, 2008, 02:06:40 PM
Post by: thebudgetdeals on November 28, 2014, 11:37:18 AM
Post by: ilherman on November 28, 2014, 11:50:46 AM
I Traveled for sukkos to israel with elal airlines together with my family. I had reserved and confirmed seats but when arrived in airport they told me they changed my reserved seats and put me on the last and worst row in the flight. they gave me 2 options, either stay here in israel or take our assigned seats. anyone with experience what can do now? (except option of disputing cc charge :-*)Typical LY customer service.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on November 28, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
Typical LY customer service.Actually it's probably a case of LY accommodating a preferred customers' seating request.
Post by: thebudgetdeals on November 28, 2014, 03:55:58 PM
Post by: CS91 on April 14, 2015, 02:36:04 PM
Post by: ABC on April 22, 2015, 09:18:15 PM
It was really nice to travel in business class direct (I booked them long ago with aa) it feels like a private jet up there.
We had very good service and half the cabin was empty.
I will write the truth, I flew already LH-F SQ-R and I enjoy business class better,they don't come every 2 seconds asking what you want,they overdue it in first class.
But let's not forget this was elal so something weird had to happen with them :o
I had an infant with me and half the cabin was empty so I sat across the aisle from my wife and the infant sat next to my wife,the manger came over to me and said I need to pay $800 for taking an extra seat in business class I thought he was joking but-no,he said people want to have an empty seat next to them so I asked what will it help if you put $800 in your pocket that people should be happy? I told him no one paid for two seats here.
The only way I was able to send him away was by showing him my boarding pass (I originally booked 2 seats one across the aisle from each other hoping next to one of them would stay empty),so I said I am sitting on my seat and my wife doesn't matter if the seat next to het is not empty and especially when it's her son.
But I would really like to fly them again, anyway to book besides matmid?
Is Aeromexico and qantas airlines partners with them? Can I book an award with them?
Post by: ilherman on April 22, 2015, 09:28:20 PM
Post by: ABC on April 22, 2015, 09:29:47 PM
Is it 180 degree flat bed?
My plane was.
But interesting all other stuff on the plane was old for example the entertainment system.
Post by: mmm740 on April 22, 2015, 09:38:47 PM
But I would really like to fly them again, anyway to book besides matmid?
Is Aeromexico and qantas airlines partners with them? Can I book an award with them?
You can now only book economy on ElAl with Qantas points, although you can now redeem awards from/to the US, previously they only allowed from/to Asia and Europe.
Post by: Myccrabbi on April 22, 2015, 09:43:38 PM
Interesting, what currency transfers to them?
You can now only book economy on ElAl with Qantas points, although you can now redeem awards from/to the US, previously they only allowed from/to Asia and Europe.
And how much is it from NA-tlv?
Post by: mmm740 on April 22, 2015, 09:50:47 PM
Interesting, what currency transfers to them?I don't think any currency transfers to them.
And how much is it from NA-tlv?
42k one-way.
Post by: CS91 on April 22, 2015, 09:56:13 PM
If I flew on an ELAL flight, what frequent flier programs can I get credit for the flight on (besides for Matmid)?
BUMP
Post by: ilherman on April 22, 2015, 09:59:07 PM
I don't think any currency transfers to them.I think TYP do. Where did you take that info from that you can only book Y?
42k one-way.
Post by: mmm740 on April 22, 2015, 10:05:37 PM
I think TYP do. Where did you take that info from that you can only book Y?
Right about TYP.
From the Qantas website - https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/partners/airline/el-al#using-points
For travel until 31 January 2015:
Classic Flight Reward bookings may be made only for flights between Israel and Asia, India, South Africa, Europe and the Middle East.
For travel from 1 February 2015:
You can only use your Qantas Points on El Al for a Classic Flight Reward in Economy class.
Classic Flight Reward bookings may be made only for selected flights between Israel and Asia, Canada, Europe, India, South Africa, and the United States of America.
Post by: G11600 on April 23, 2015, 10:09:50 AM
Right about TYP.
From the Qantas website - https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/partners/airline/el-al#using-points
For travel until 31 January 2015:
Classic Flight Reward bookings may be made only for flights between Israel and Asia, India, South Africa, Europe and the Middle East.
For travel from 1 February 2015:
You can only use your Qantas Points on El Al for a Classic Flight Reward in Economy class.
Classic Flight Reward bookings may be made only for selected flights between Israel and Asia, Canada, Europe, India, South Africa, and the United States of America.
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.
Post by: Achas Veachas on April 23, 2015, 10:32:11 AM
What a douche...
But let's not forget this was elal so something weird had to happen with them :o
I had an infant with me and half the cabin was empty so I sat across the aisle from my wife and the infant sat next to my wife,the manger came over to me and said I need to pay $800 for taking an extra seat in business class I thought he was joking but-no,he said people want to have an empty seat next to them so I asked what will it help if you put $800 in your pocket that people should be happy? I told him no one paid for two seats here.
The only way I was able to send him away was by showing him my boarding pass (I originally booked 2 seats one across the aisle from each other hoping next to one of them would stay empty),so I said I am sitting on my seat and my wife doesn't matter if the seat next to het is not empty and especially when it's her son.
Post by: coralsnake on April 23, 2015, 12:24:49 PM
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.It just says classic flight reward, doesn't seem to indicate economy only:
https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/flying/using-points-awards-upgrades
Post by: coralsnake on April 23, 2015, 12:26:05 PM
Post by: efflpetzel on April 23, 2015, 12:43:08 PM
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.how much did she pay?
YQ?
Post by: G11600 on April 23, 2015, 01:04:36 PM
how much did she pay?
YQ?
Not sure of the exact amount, but assume she had to pay YQ. This was part of TLV-HKG-PER rt
Post by: ABC on April 23, 2015, 01:32:44 PM
They have a good awards chart to Israel and amex transfer to them I wonder if they could book elal
Post by: mmm740 on April 23, 2015, 04:53:53 PM
Any idea on what QF charges in YQ on an ElAl award NYC-TLV-NYC?IME no YQ ex-Asia or the US.
I think that might have changed very recently.
Post by: ABC on April 24, 2015, 06:44:20 AM
I don't think any currency transfers to them.Dan just wrote up that Citi transfers to them.
Post by: mmm740 on April 26, 2015, 08:50:29 PM
Dan just wrote up that Citi transfers to them.
I acknowledged that TYP transfer.
Right about TYP.
Post by: mmm740 on April 26, 2015, 09:11:55 PM
Strange, my MIL booked TLV-HKG rt using QF points last month, for travel in business class in November. She had to call up as no seats available on QF website.
Do you know if she's in business on all flights?
Post by: mmm740 on April 26, 2015, 09:12:38 PM
It just says classic flight reward, doesn't seem to indicate economy only:
https://www.qantas.com.au/fflyer/dyn/flying/using-points-awards-upgrades
For travel from 1 February 2015:
You can only use your Qantas Points on El Al for a Classic Flight Reward in Economy class.
Post by: coralsnake on April 26, 2015, 09:41:20 PM
For travel from 1 February 2015:You are correct. I see it now. Thanks.
You can only use your Qantas Points on El Al for a Classic Flight Reward in Economy class.
Post by: Myccrabbi on April 26, 2015, 10:43:35 PM
I don't think any currency transfers to them.And is LA - tlv 42k as well?
42k one-way.
Post by: mmm740 on April 26, 2015, 10:49:36 PM
And is LA - tlv 42k as well?Probably 56k
Post by: Myccrabbi on April 26, 2015, 10:51:21 PM
Probably 56k
Post by: 159dallas on May 05, 2015, 07:08:38 PM
Post by: SrulyP on May 05, 2015, 11:05:51 PM
Also should I pay the pay another $50 and fly delta economy comfort to israel over Elal EC?
Post by: chff on May 06, 2015, 12:12:37 AM
I want to book a flight on elal for 5/13-5/17 which is 1200 dollars previously and now if you look carefully elal seems to drop there fares about a week or couple of days before I saw tomorrow to sunday for 929 2 days ago and it is not there anymore but i want to know if the same thing will happen to my flights? Will they drop their prices?
Prices don't "drop", if you can find now the lowest class available you can have it for $989 (or whatever the lowest fare is). The more full the flight is the more expensive fare you get
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 14, 2015, 01:47:28 AM
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Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 14, 2015, 01:54:50 AM
Post by: chucksterace on June 14, 2015, 02:00:03 AM
Thanks! Do they really weigh my carry-on also?
You answered this question in your last post.
I'm flying el al tomorrow. They seem to only allow one carry on. And they weigh it. Would I be able to bring along a briefcase?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 14, 2015, 02:00:47 AM
You answered this question in your last post.
Thanks. Wasn't 100% sure.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 14, 2015, 02:05:51 AM
Seems to indicate only 1 bag in economy. I'm assuming they don't enforce it?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on June 14, 2015, 09:43:54 AM
Post by: zoe on July 04, 2015, 06:10:07 PM
Since the vouchers are freely transferable, does anyone have any idea what would be their market value?
Thanks!
Post by: mgarfin on August 09, 2015, 04:34:46 PM
Post by: ilherman on August 09, 2015, 04:44:06 PM
Anyway of adding a TSA Pre # to an ELAL reservation ?There is no Pre check when flying LY.
Post by: aryeh1 on February 14, 2016, 09:28:38 PM
Post by: TimT on February 14, 2016, 09:43:53 PM
Do el al flight still credit to AA and does anyone know how?Where did you find this thread ? :)
If nobody answers here try here (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57332.0)
Post by: CS91 on February 14, 2016, 09:56:37 PM
Do el al flight still credit to AA and does anyone know how?Nope. They don't.
Post by: D93 on February 27, 2016, 02:27:11 PM
Post by: Bostener on February 27, 2016, 03:36:08 PM
Post by: Emkay on February 27, 2016, 05:09:04 PM
Probably the Reform movement is behind this lawsuit.Correct. It is led by Anat Hoffman from women off the wall
Post by: nobiggy on February 27, 2016, 07:44:15 PM
Post by: Bostener on February 27, 2016, 07:49:10 PM
Is it worth it to open a matmid account and credit 1 RT from JFK to TLV? Will the points be worth anything?And what do you want to accomplish? What do you thing you will gain?
Post by: nobiggy on February 27, 2016, 07:51:41 PM
And what do you want to accomplish? What do you thing you will gain?I know nothing about matmid points so I'm asking. How many points will I get?
Post by: Bostener on February 27, 2016, 07:57:48 PM
I know nothing about matmid points so I'm asking. How many points will I get?So many info on this on DDMS. But to give you a short answer must of the time Matmid is a waste of time.l
Post by: Emkay on February 28, 2016, 09:40:28 AM
Is it worth it to open a matmid account and credit 1 RT from JFK to TLV? Will the points be worth anything?If your asking in regard to paying for the account, there are links for free
Post by: nobiggy on February 28, 2016, 09:54:05 AM
If your asking in regard to paying for the account, there are links for freeCan you PM me one or post?
Post by: Emkay on February 28, 2016, 10:19:54 AM
Can you PM me one or post?Was posted here a bunch of times. If you don't find it when I get home later I'll pull it up
Post by: Bostener on February 28, 2016, 10:28:12 AM
Can you credit today thier flights to a different program like you use to be able to credit thier flights to American Airlines?
Post by: ABC on April 03, 2016, 02:38:28 AM
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Post by: David Smith on April 03, 2016, 02:40:08 AM
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?We're Jews, so we're allowed to be anti Semitic.
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Post by: ilherman on April 03, 2016, 02:44:07 AM
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?Dan spoke once for an hour I think with one of the big guys and got no where. Don't even waste your time. They honestly think that the Matmid system is the best FF system in the industry.
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Post by: ABC on April 03, 2016, 02:45:42 AM
Dan spoke once for an hour I think with one of the big guys and got no where. Don't even waste your time. They honestly think that the Matmid system is the best FF system in the industry.
Not that I think it will help.
Post by: Emkay on April 03, 2016, 02:53:59 AM
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?I bash them also but many here that bash Elal premium class never flew it. There seems to be an excitement in it. Its mostly the attitude they give off. I would say LY J was better then UA J IMO.
My friend is chartering an elal flight this week and speaks to the big guys daily.
I am curious what elal would answer.
One thing that I don't understand, each time I flew Elal, F was empty, no need for 8 seats if window doesn't have aisle access.
Post by: ExGingi on April 03, 2016, 07:02:32 AM
Can someone please tell me what everyone has against elal here?
I can only speak for myself, and to some it up in one word: Attitude!
Now if we wanted to elaborate a little more, it's starts with the negative attitude many frum people experienced from ELAL, it continues with the apparent arrogance of ELAL which conveys the subliminal message of "you should thank us for being here" rather than "what can we do to serve you". Also ELAL flights tend to have (understandably) a high percentage of Israelis, so one might also get some negative experience there (on the plus side, one can have the opportunity to interact with a jew that knows little or nothing about Yiddishkeit and have a positive influence on that jew).
I can only contrast the attitude displayed towards me when I went for my father's levaya on ELAL, with the attitude I got from BA (and to the best of my knowledge, the British don't have such a reputation as אוהבי ישראל) when I landed at JFK on a Friday afternoon. I can only say that ELAL has rightfully earned my years long ban.
Post by: scr on April 03, 2016, 11:11:43 PM
Post by: O on June 02, 2016, 10:30:21 AM
Also, does anyone know if the ELAL part would invalidate the fly to Europe promotion? (On the phone they said it counts for the promo, but I also emailed them and they said it wouldn't. That would be unfair.)
Post by: Kabrams1618 on June 19, 2016, 09:05:27 AM
Post by: mgarfin on June 19, 2016, 09:34:45 AM
Does el al give free earphones on their tlv to ny route
Yes
Post by: bochur on June 19, 2016, 11:53:23 PM
Just bought a ticket with AA that stops in CDG and then shows an AA flight number "Operated by EL AL" to and from TLV. Does anyone know if AA counts miles for these flights because it was purchased from AA and has an AA flight number?You won't earn AA miles on the LY part, though can prob earn QF.
Also, does anyone know if the ELAL part would invalidate the fly to Europe promotion? (On the phone they said it counts for the promo, but I also emailed them and they said it wouldn't. That would be unfair.)
Would be surprised if the phone rep is correct
Post by: O on July 25, 2016, 12:41:05 PM
Post by: bochur on July 28, 2016, 08:31:05 PM
Post by: ABC on August 10, 2016, 10:33:26 AM
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY! (not only for elal)
I felt like in LH F about the service, the food was excellent, everything kosher, real proper food.
But I found it funny that there isn't anywhere to put your stuff.
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
The seat maybe isn't like LH but in F they put down a mattress
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.
I have a friend that flies LY F every week, to NY or to HKG.
He told me if I will get "Motti Lavi" as the head cabin crew on my flight I will be in good hands.
And guess who I got? I came on the plane someone greets me right away and I looked on his tag - "Motti Lavi" I asked if he knows my friend, he told me sure, he's a TOP PL...I should send regards, I took a picture with him in the end of the flight to show my friend.
Motti went out of his way a few times for me, I liked it very much.
UA J
I had to ask 3 times to take my coat and they forgot to bring it to me when landing, only when everyone was leaving the plane they came with it.
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
Post by: ar on August 10, 2016, 10:40:41 AM
LY F is better better that DL J/UA J, but LY J is not the greatest but not bad at all.
Post by: Emkay on August 10, 2016, 12:01:51 PM
I just flew TLV-LAX on LY F and EWR-TLV on UA J.
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY! (not only for elal)
I felt like in LH F about the service, the food was excellent, everything kosher, real proper food.
But I found it funny that there isn't anywhere to put your stuff.
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
The seat maybe isn't like LH but in F they put down a mattress
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.
I have a friend that flies LY F every week, to NY or to HKG.
He told me if I will get "Motti Lavi" as the head cabin crew on my flight I will be in good hands.
And guess who I got? I came on the plane someone greets me right away and I looked on his tag - "Motti Lavi" I asked if he knows my friend, he told me sure, he's a TOP PL...I should send regards, I took a picture with him in the end of the flight to show my friend.
Motti went out of his way a few times for me, I liked it very much.
UA J
I had to ask 3 times to take my coat and they forgot to bring it to me when landing, only when everyone was leaving the plane they came with it.
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
Post by: Myccrabbi on August 10, 2016, 12:31:38 PM
I just flew TLV-LAX on LY F and EWR-TLV on UA J.couldn't agree with you more it was a real good experience flying ly F ex-tlv.(not to mention pre take off chocolate )
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY!
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
One thing that bothered me was the tray table was not spaced enough and was pressing against my stomach unlike other carriers in J/F (but that is only if you have a big stomach )
Also, you mentioned middle seat...
what plane was it? Afaik F don't have middle seats.
Post by: ilherman on August 10, 2016, 12:35:03 PM
Post by: damaxer91 on August 10, 2016, 12:39:28 PM
I just flew TLV-LAX on LY F and EWR-TLV on UA J.
ELAL service is much better then UA.
The only thing UA is better is that it's cheaper (57.5k SQ miles no fuel)
Leaving TLV there's nothing like flying LY, 6 checkin counters, never have to wait on line.
With UA there's only 2 counters for premier access, for 50 J pas. + 50 card holders....
King David lounge (first class has a separate lounge) you can't compare it to Dan.
By the way the fast line for security in TLV is probably the best I have ever seen in any airport, EMPTY! (not only for elal)
I felt like in LH F about the service, the food was excellent, everything kosher, real proper food.
But I found it funny that there isn't anywhere to put your stuff.
I had a middle seat and the one next to me was empty so it worked out very well.
The seat maybe isn't like LH but in F they put down a mattress
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.
I have a friend that flies LY F every week, to NY or to HKG.
He told me if I will get "Motti Lavi" as the head cabin crew on my flight I will be in good hands.
And guess who I got? I came on the plane someone greets me right away and I looked on his tag - "Motti Lavi" I asked if he knows my friend, he told me sure, he's a TOP PL...I should send regards, I took a picture with him in the end of the flight to show my friend.
Motti went out of his way a few times for me, I liked it very much.
UA J
I had to ask 3 times to take my coat and they forgot to bring it to me when landing, only when everyone was leaving the plane they came with it.
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
I've said this many times before on DDF
For the Kashrus-Observant, hard to beat LY F on a long flight
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 10, 2016, 01:31:09 PM
People talking positively about El Al?
:o ??? ::) :P
Post by: ExGingi on August 10, 2016, 01:41:57 PM
I've said this many times before on DDFHave never been on LY F or J. I've boycotted them for years based on personal experience in Y.
For the Kashrus-Observant, hard to beat LY F on a long flight
I do hear that they really treat their REAL frequent flyers well. Otherwise from what I've seen/heard they are doing you a favor by serving you, rather than doing their job and trying to earn your loyalty by serving you.
My best experience TLV-JFK was on DL J, and in all honesty, while decent food is nice to have, that is never a determining factor in which airline to choose.
Post by: ABC on August 10, 2016, 07:12:17 PM
He meant the middle section.
Right it was 2-2-2 http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/El_Al/El_Al_Boeing_777-200_B.php
When I finished the main course they brought me warm pastries from the oven and a chocolate cake with melted chocolate running.
I just hope they partner up one day with someone that it will cheaper then matmid.
Post by: Emkay on August 10, 2016, 07:22:14 PM
Like AA? :(
I just hope they partner up one day with someone that it will cheaper then matmid.
Post by: Emkay on August 10, 2016, 07:22:55 PM
What's going on?!?!Yup, Non biased people who actually flew LY J/F.
People talking positively about El Al?
:o ??? ::) :P
Post by: LoLo on August 10, 2016, 07:32:24 PM
What's going on?!?!+1, Rubbing my eyes..
People talking positively about El Al?
:o ??? ::) :P
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 10, 2016, 07:36:46 PM
Post by: ExGingi on August 10, 2016, 10:05:15 PM
Right it was 2-2-2 http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/El_Al/El_Al_Boeing_777-200_B.phpDid you care about Kashrus/Hashgocho on those hot pastries and melted chocolate, or was it just part of their standard?
When I finished the main course they brought me warm pastries from the oven and a chocolate cake with melted chocolate running.
I just hope they partner up one day with someone that it will cheaper then matmid.
Post by: ExGingi on August 10, 2016, 10:15:32 PM
To be perfectly fair, I've always had a pleasant flight with El Al, even in economy. Their 747s are nice and big, and the food is very decent (though I still can't remember to eat the pita with my hummus until it's halfway gone).I don't choose an airline by the food (I bring my own or figure out something, I can last a day without the best food] or by the size of their planes (though unless flying J or F, a 747/A380 is a disadvantage IMHO, as there are simply more passengers and luggage, which result in longer lines).
What's important with an airline is that it gets me safely and comfortably from point A to point B, while treating me in a decent manner, and owning up to mess ups when they happen. [opportunity for free travel is a nice perk with some weight).
In MY experience, ELAL fails miserably (in Y) on both comfort (they are known to pack more rows than most other airlines, no lie flats in J) and service (Israeli arrogant style). FF program leaves a lot to be desired, though I can't say it never came in handy with family members.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 10, 2016, 11:46:07 PM
I don't choose an airline by the food (I bring my own or figure out something, I can last a day without the best food] or by the size of their planes (though unless flying J or F, a 747/A380 is a disadvantage IMHO, as there are simply more passengers and luggage, which result in longer lines).
What's important with an airline is that it gets me safely and comfortably from point A to point B, while treating me in a decent manner, and owning up to mess ups when they happen. [opportunity for free travel is a nice perk with some weight).
In MY experience, ELAL fails miserably (in Y) on both comfort (they are known to pack more rows than most other airlines, no lie flats in J) and service (Israeli arrogant style). FF program leaves a lot to be desired, though I can't say it never came in handy with family members.
I find the 747 to be fine in economy, and got a free flight out of them because of a delay. And yes, having good food and not being forced to schlep your own makes a big difference.
Post by: MEIR613 on August 10, 2016, 11:57:49 PM
They are extremly not comfortable.
You won't get a good night sleep like you would on most of the European and Asian carries.
Everything else (service, food etc) is excelent.
Post by: ExGingi on August 10, 2016, 11:58:59 PM
I find the 747 to be fine in economy, and got a free flight out of them because of a delay. And yes, having good food and not being forced to schlep your own makes a big difference.Wow. Given this:
I'm size 13 3E.I would have thought you are vertically challenged (aka pretty tall) which would strike me as a real surprise to find LY economy comfortable (unless you always get the row at the exit door).
Post by: ABC on August 11, 2016, 05:29:54 AM
Did you care about Kashrus/Hashgocho on those hot pastries and melted chocolate, or was it just part of their standard?
This came with the strictly kosher meal
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The main problem with LY F is their beds.
They are extremly not comfortable.
You won't get a good night sleep like you would on most of the European and Asian carries.
But elal has the best timing, I left 1am and landed in lax at 6am so easier to sleep.
I did a few times LH F, their flights leave early morning that means only few hours sleep at night you come to the airport in middle if your sleep, you get on to a small plane those seats are narrower then any economy that flies direct to NY, you fly 4 hours in a terrible economy.
And when traveling NYC-TLV. I had a flight once 6pm (on the old 747 seat with bed) but didn't sleep a thing I wasn't tired that time of day.
Then on the next flight I was exhausted because it was already midnight for me and slept on those small economy seats head falling from side to side.
We are talking about TLV to North America, so no Asian airlines.
Please explain which airline you mean.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 11, 2016, 06:44:30 AM
Wow. Given this: I would have thought you are vertically challenged (aka pretty tall) which would strike me as a real surprise to find LY economy comfortable (unless you always get the row at the exit door).
I only have an issue with the 777 they fly to EWR. Those are too tight. Otherwise, the legroom doesn't bother me. I simply don't put anything under the seat in front of me and stretch my legs out in front of me.
Post by: tavster on August 11, 2016, 07:20:07 AM
I prefer the 1x2x1 in DL and try to get the solo seats.
Food-wise, I couldn't agree more that it's hard to beat LY when you keep kosher; although LY recently started these themed meals instead of the classics (I had pad-thai this month) - not so great..
Post by: elya on August 11, 2016, 07:22:46 AM
Post by: damaxer91 on August 11, 2016, 09:41:01 AM
Im lost trying to understand the whole food discussion on LY. For those of us that keep Kosher, "Special Kosher" meals ex-NYC is standard Regal!
U wouldn't believe it but there are those who eat the standard kosher LY meals ex-NYC!
Post by: ABC on August 11, 2016, 09:44:16 AM
Im lost trying to understand the whole food discussion on LY. For those of us that keep Kosher, "Special Kosher" meals ex-NYC is standard Regal!
I flew ex TLV. and I ordered כשר למהדרין
I don't know how it works ex NYC.
Post by: elya on August 11, 2016, 09:50:06 AM
I flew ex TLV. and I ordered כשר למהדריןEx-NYC is Def the standard Regal meal that every other airline serves. (when you go into your booking to order the meals, they changed the option from "strictly Kosher" to "Regal")
I don't know how it works ex NYC.
Ex-TLV it's not the standard pre-packaged Badatz?
Post by: damaxer91 on August 11, 2016, 09:57:50 AM
Ex-NYC is Def the standard Regal meal that every other airline serves. (when you go into your booking to order the meals, they changed the option from "strictly Kosher" to "Regal")
No, its not. It's generally the same meal they are serving for the reg kosher except you don't get as many options. It's also usually fresh as opposed to the frozen that you'd get on LH/AA etc
Post by: David Smith on August 11, 2016, 10:00:52 AM
No, its not. It's generally the same meal they are serving for the reg kosher except you don't get as many options. It's also usually fresh as opposed to the frozen that you'd get on LH/AA etcNot IME, IIRC...
Post by: ABC on August 11, 2016, 10:04:46 AM
Ex-TLV it's not the standard pre-packaged Badatz?
Do you call this standard?
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/akdq41xm0tieypj/AADvVsphTmtNbCAoHC1Kz_H5a?dl=0
chopped liver...
Breakfast they gave a YELLOW egg + shakshuka + latkas
Post by: elya on August 11, 2016, 10:20:51 AM
Do you call this standard?I was asking, not stating.
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/akdq41xm0tieypj/AADvVsphTmtNbCAoHC1Kz_H5a?dl=0
chopped liver...
Breakfast they gave a YELLOW egg + shakshuka + latkas
Post by: ExGingi on August 11, 2016, 12:24:31 PM
Im lost trying to understand the whole food discussion on LY. For those of us that keep Kosher, "Special Kosher" meals ex-NYC is standard Regal!The difference being that ELAL also allows you to specify "Special Kosher Fish" or "Special Kosher Vegetarian" IIANM. Whereas other airlines will just have one KSML.
Post by: elya on August 11, 2016, 12:26:50 PM
The difference being that ELAL also allows you to specify "Special Kosher Fish" or "Special Kosher Vegetarian" IIANM. Whereas other airlines will just have one KSML.But its still Regal, so whats the difference if its inedible fish, or inedible meat?
Post by: ExGingi on August 11, 2016, 12:29:14 PM
This came with the strictly kosher mealEX-TLV you have DL and UA with a night flight arriving NYC in early AM with lie-flat beds. DL TLV-NYC was the best sleep experience I've ever had (followed by AA TLV-PHL עליו השלום).
But elal has the best timing, I left 1am and landed in lax at 6am so easier to sleep.
I did a few times LH F, their flights leave early morning that means only few hours sleep at night you come to the airport in middle if your sleep, you get on to a small plane those seats are narrower then any economy that flies direct to NY, you fly 4 hours in a terrible economy.
And when traveling NYC-TLV. I had a flight once 6pm (on the old 747 seat with bed) but didn't sleep a thing I wasn't tired that time of day.NYC-TLV only LY and UA have an early afternoon flight that works decently (under the circumstances of travel time and time differences) on this route. DL had a flight for a while, but they are axing it. Otherwise I would probably try LX (or occasionally TK) for a wide body connection in Europe to TLV.
Then on the next flight I was exhausted because it was already midnight for me and slept on those small economy seats head falling from side to side.
Post by: ExGingi on August 11, 2016, 12:30:06 PM
But its still Regal, so whats the difference if its inedible fish, or inedible meat?LOL. I never said regal is edible. Just pointed out that there is a technical difference.
Post by: elya on August 11, 2016, 05:29:00 PM
LOL. I never said regal is edible. Just pointed out that there is a technical difference.Lol. Okay.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 11, 2016, 05:30:41 PM
Post by: cholent on August 11, 2016, 06:04:29 PM
I never had an issue with Regal meals. Maybe I'm just not a picky eater, but they're very decent.You must be a very not picky eater
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 11, 2016, 06:12:14 PM
You must be a very not picky eaterDefinitely okay with that. I still appreciate good food.
Post by: ilherman on August 11, 2016, 09:47:15 PM
Post by: Emkay on August 12, 2016, 12:33:43 AM
Post by: efflpetzel on August 12, 2016, 01:37:31 AM
TLV-BKK-TLV may have been the best KSML I ever had.Any pics?
Post by: shimino1 on August 12, 2016, 02:05:29 AM
But now I saw what's more important to me - to feel at home הכי בבית בעולם.Elal really is "Not just an airline, it's Israel" and the attitude I got on Elal (in Y but that's no excuse to treat your costumers like s**t) was unbelievable. Iv'e seen FA's refuse to help a 70ish year old woman with her carry on cause there "busy".
I don't know about the F cabin FA's but my impression is that a lot of the Y FA's are young Israelis that signed up to "see the world" and have a good time and that the passengers are just a means to that end and treated as such.
Israeli service in general is very low compared to European or American standards but at least in a restaurant, the waiter hopes for a tip and tries to treat you well. On Elal, no FA is expecting you to tip them and they don't lose anything by giving you bad service.
UA JIncredible comment, downright disgusting!
Food was inedible, crew was very not friendly, dark skinned and more on the bigger side ודי למבין.
FYI I feel like those scary "dark skinned and more on the bigger side" people you mentioned have more respect for my religious needs then the Israeli FA's on Elal that have an attitude of: "don't tell us what's Kosher, we know better then you"
I couldn't decide what appetizer I wanted, she told me "you lost your chance, I am on for the next pas."
Hmmm.. since when does UA give you a choice of strictly kosher appetizers?
Post by: ExGingi on August 12, 2016, 10:28:37 AM
Incredible comment, downright disgusting!+1000
FYI I feel like those scary "dark skinned and more on the bigger side" people you mentioned have more respect for my religious needs then the Israeli FA's on Elal that have an attitude of: "don't tell us what's Kosher, we know better then you"
Post by: elya on August 12, 2016, 10:58:07 AM
Elal really is "Not just an airline, it's Israel" and the attitude I got on Elal (in Y but that's no excuse to treat your costumers like s**t) was unbelievable. Iv'e seen FA's refuse to help a 70ish year old woman with her carry on cause there "busy".+1
I don't know about the F cabin FA's but my impression is that a lot of the Y FA's are young Israelis that signed up to "see the world" and have a good time and that the passengers are just a means to that end and treated as such.
Israeli service in general is very low compared to European or American standards but at least in a restaurant, the waiter hopes for a tip and tries to treat you well. On Elal, no FA is expecting you to tip them and they don't lose anything by giving you bad service.
Incredible comment, downright disgusting!
FYI I feel like those scary "dark skinned and more on the bigger side" people you mentioned have more respect for my religious needs then the Israeli FA's on Elal that have an attitude of: "don't tell us what's Kosher, we know better then you"
Hmmm.. since when does UA give you a choice of strictly kosher appetizers?
Post by: O on August 12, 2016, 12:32:11 PM
I got flight distance (2,043 each way) plus class and AA elite status bonus. I also got 2 EQM's per mile as well.
The JFK - CDG on AA portion gave distance (3,635 each way) + class + elite + fly business to eur (25K) + Long haul business (1k each way).
Post by: yoruel on August 17, 2016, 04:51:13 PM
Post by: Emkay on August 17, 2016, 04:59:59 PM
How much is internet in flight from Newark-Jfk to Tlv?Dont think there is.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on August 17, 2016, 06:35:51 PM
Dont think there is.I'll confirm that there isn't. But the food is much better than what you'll get anywhere else.
Post by: ual902 on August 28, 2016, 09:45:22 PM
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/08/26/el-al-review/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=One+Mile+at+a+Time&utm_campaign=SNAP%2Bfrom%2BOne+Mile+at+a+Time
Post by: ilherman on August 29, 2016, 12:56:10 AM
3 Reasons I Havent Reviewed EL AL Yetmohamed says:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.com/2016/08/26/el-al-review/?utm_source=FB&utm_medium=One+Mile+at+a+Time&utm_campaign=SNAP%2Bfrom%2BOne+Mile+at+a+Time
August 26, 2016 at 12:49 pm
Yeah visit Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and please try to go to the occupied territories and get an idea how palestinians are treated,dont expect to be the first to board the plane and i advise you get a new passport cause with all your stamps of arab and muslim countries those paramoid security staff will be asking you question for hours, they can even access your phone and laptop,go into your e mails,private files,and your seat can be moved just because passenger next to you ask for it,did u hear about women being asked to change seats just because some overzealous religious traveller wont accept gender mix.
Post by: coupongal on September 04, 2016, 04:49:19 PM
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on September 04, 2016, 04:56:01 PM
I am flying elal and I dont have a matmid account. is it worth opening for 1 flight? Can I earn miles on a different airline with this flight?Check if you can still open one for free. http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/38687
Post by: sky121 on September 05, 2016, 11:19:26 AM
Post by: Yitz on September 05, 2016, 11:27:33 AM
I am flying elal and I dont have a matmid account. is it worth opening for 1 flight? Can I earn miles on a different airline with this flight?Points wise the program is not good. The only reason it might pay is if they are overbooked you have a chance to get bumped to BC
Post by: ilherman on September 05, 2016, 09:02:07 PM
Will United check my bags through all the way to a connecting EL AL flight?most likely not
Post by: zow on December 11, 2016, 08:52:50 PM
I need to travel BOS - TLV for a meeting in late January.
I am going to see if I can get the trip paid for in J.
How lame is El Al's J on the 767? The "angled lie-flat" is ... not so bad? ... pathetic? ... worth flying through YYZ or IST if I can get a comparably priced flight?
Thanks.
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 09:15:00 PM
Not sure this is the best thread for this question (better in ex-TLV?), but here goes:I don't fly ELAL so I can't speak of them.
I need to travel BOS - TLV for a meeting in late January.
I am going to see if I can get the trip paid for in J.
How lame is El Al's J on the 767? The "angled lie-flat" is ... not so bad? ... pathetic? ... worth flying through YYZ or IST if I can get a comparably priced flight?
Thanks.
Both YYZ and IST are huge airports, so expect long walks between gates for your connections.
I'm unfamiliar with the AC J hard product, but the TK hard product isn't as good as the DL product (if you can get a comparable price connecting on DL via JFK, that would be my first choice, you might also like UA via connecting via EWR).
IMHO AC schedule on the North-America to TLV is convenient (arriving in the AM), but I would avoid it for the return (TLV-YYZ) as it is a daytime flight.
Post by: zow on December 11, 2016, 09:24:10 PM
I don't fly ELAL so I can't speak of them.That's really helpful -- not at all what I had in mind.
Both YYZ and IST are huge airports, so expect long walks between gates for your connections.
I'm unfamiliar with the AC J hard product, but the TK hard product isn't as good as the DL product (if you can get a comparable price connecting on DL via JFK, that would be my first choice, you might also like UA via connecting via EWR).
I have flown TLV-YYZ-BOS, so I am aware of the walking. I don't mind that. I flew in Y, which wasn't bad, but imagine the J is great. I'm very curious about TK J.
I was/am under the impression that the soft product on the American carriers (maybe just applies to UA and AA?) really stink, so I wouldn't want to fly UA via EWR, but maybe the hard product makes up for the soft product.
I will take a look at the DL flight via JFK.
Thanks very much.
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 09:25:15 PM
That's really helpful -- not at all what I had in mind.DL J TLV-JFK is wonderful!
I have flown TLV-YYZ-BOS, so I am aware of the walking. I don't mind that. I flew in Y, which wasn't bad, but imagine the J is great. I'm very curious about TK J.
I was/am under the impression that the soft product on the American carriers (maybe just applies to UA and AA?) really stink, so I wouldn't want to fly UA via EWR, but maybe the hard product makes up for the soft product.
I will take a look at the DL flight via JFK.
Thanks very much.
For the no-kosher consumer it seems like TK J meal service is amazing. My KSML looked like an economy meal with a sticker that said business.
Layout is 2-2-2 on their North America to IST route. And depending on your connection you will either get a widebody or a narrow for the IST-TLV route. You will NOT get an all-night flight back to the US arriving in the early AM on anything but DL, UA or LY.
Post by: shimino1 on December 11, 2016, 09:46:21 PM
Not sure what all the hype is about TK. The only time I flew TK J was connecting from PG J and it definitely felt like a downgrade
For the no-kosher consumer it seems like TK J meal service is amazing. My KSML looked like an economy meal with a sticker that said business.
Layout is 2-2-2 on their North America to IST route. And depending on your connection you will either get a widebody or a narrow for the IST-TLV route. You will NOT get an all-night flight back to the US arriving in the early AM on anything but DL, UA or LY.
Post by: zow on December 11, 2016, 09:52:22 PM
Not sure what all the hype is about TK. The only time I flew TK J was connecting from PG J and it definitely felt like a downgrade
DL J TLV-JFK is wonderful!
For the no-kosher consumer it seems like TK J meal service is amazing. My KSML looked like an economy meal with a sticker that said business.
Layout is 2-2-2 on their North America to IST route. And depending on your connection you will either get a widebody or a narrow for the IST-TLV route. You will NOT get an all-night flight back to the US arriving in the early AM on anything but DL, UA or LY.
Helpful. Coupled with DW's admonition, this info makes it much easier to forget about TK for a while. I hadn't thought about sleeping on the way back but that sounds like an interesting approach. Thank you.
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
Not sure what all the hype is about TK. The only time I flew TK J was connecting from PG J and it definitely felt like a downgradeDid you mean to say TG?
Never flown TG but from what I hear about them TK must definitely be a downgrade.
I am not hyping TK. My personal experience with them was less than optimal. I think the hype is about the TK Y compared to other airlines in Y into TLV.
That being said, $1700 for RT in TK J (BF sale) JFK-TLV is very good value IMO.
Post by: shimino1 on December 11, 2016, 10:04:19 PM
Did you mean to say TG?My bad. I did mean TG
Never flown TG but from what I hear about them TK must definitely be a downgrade.
I am not hyping TK. My personal experience with them was less than optimal. I think the hype is about the TK Y compared to other airlines in Y into TLV.
That being said, $1700 for RT in TK J (BF sale) JFK-TLV is very good value IMO.
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 10:04:37 PM
Helpful. Coupled with DW's admonition, this info makes it much easier to forget about TK for a while. I hadn't thought about sleeping on the way back but that sounds like an interesting approach. Thank you.That is where the real value of J lies (pun intended), the ability to arrive somewhat rested and able to function.
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 10:06:02 PM
My bad. I did mean TGWell, you don't expect to compare an Asian airline to a European one. (TK considers themselves European).
Post by: zow on December 11, 2016, 10:07:29 PM
Did you mean to say TG?TK BF sale long dead, right?
Never flown TG but from what I hear about them TK must definitely be a downgrade.
I am not hyping TK. My personal experience with them was less than optimal. I think the hype is about the TK Y compared to other airlines in Y into TLV.
That being said, $1700 for RT in TK J (BF sale) JFK-TLV is very good value IMO.
Post by: shimino1 on December 11, 2016, 10:07:51 PM
That is where the real value of J lies (pun intended), the ability to arrive somewhat rested and able to function.Yup. My wife did a solid 9 hours BKK-CDG and even I got 5-6 (I usually can't sleep on planes, even in business I have a very hard time)
Post by: shimino1 on December 11, 2016, 10:13:50 PM
Well, you don't expect to compare an Asian airline to a European one. (TK considers themselves European).I'm not necessarily comparing TK to TG.
I just felt underwhelmed by the whole TK experience. Wasn't blown away by the lounge, didn't think the seat was amazing and it's annoying not to have aisle access, service was ok and meal wasn't great.
I'd still take them over LY any day
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 10:17:28 PM
TK BF sale long dead, right?Correct.
Best BF deal IMHO. My BIL really saved a lot on that, as he flies out of ATL which usually would mean a few connections, high fare and sometimes multiple tickets which can result in problems on the connections.
Post by: ExGingi on December 11, 2016, 10:18:43 PM
I'm not necessarily comparing TK to TG.Couldn't have said that better.
I just felt underwhelmed by the whole TK experience. Wasn't blown away by the lounge, didn't think the seat was amazing and it's annoying not to have aisle access, service was ok and meal wasn't great.
I'd still take them over LY any day
Post by: Proisrael on December 15, 2016, 06:23:40 AM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-airlines-elal-idUSKBN144128?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=585271d704d30140093bcead&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2016, 06:42:33 AM
This would be nice.....when it happensVery amateurishly written, and misses their real problem (which is their corporate culture/DNA). As long as they focus on the wrong issues, they will continue to lose (though a fleet upgrade will mitigate to an extent).
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-israel-airlines-elal-idUSKBN144128?utm_campaign=trueAnthem:+Trending+Content&utm_content=585271d704d30140093bcead&utm_medium=trueAnthem&utm_source=twitter
Post by: shimino1 on December 15, 2016, 06:55:01 AM
Very amateurishly written, and misses their real problem (which is their corporate culture/DNA). As long as they focus on the wrong issues, they will continue to lose (though a fleet upgrade will mitigate to an extent).+1
Someone who flew Hainan to Beijing on a brand new A330 or Cathy to Hong Kong on a brand new A350 might return to ELAL if they get new planes but ONLY if they start training their staff to provide service in a way that you don't feel like they are doing you a favor after you spent double to fly with them!!!
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2016, 07:02:04 AM
+1That needs to start all the way at the top. It's not a training issue, it's a corporate culture issue.
Someone who flew Hainan to Beijing on a brand new A330 or Cathy to Hong Kong on a brand new A350 might return to ELAL if they get new planes but ONLY if they start training their staff to provide service in a way that you don't feel like they are doing you a favor after you spent double to fly with them!!!
Post by: shimino1 on December 15, 2016, 07:24:19 AM
That needs to start all the way at the top. It's not a training issue, it's a corporate culture issue.Correct but it is also a training and hiring issue.
Did you ever notice that there are almost no middle age people in the Israeli service industry? It's mostly high school or collage age people who are only working in that job until they move on to something better. They feel like they don't really have to treat you well since they are planing on moving on soon.
Did you ever see a 45 year old FA in Elal coach? Other airlines have plenty of middle aged FA's who have been doing the job for 5, 10, 20 years and view it as a real profession.
Post by: shimino1 on December 15, 2016, 07:26:28 AM
(It was the only available flight and the first time I flew them in 6 years)
Post by: ABC on December 15, 2016, 07:37:46 AM
The last time I flew Elal, I kept calming myself down by saying to myself: "You decided to fly Elal and you knew what you were getting yourself into"
(It was the only available flight and the first time I flew them in 6 years)
Can you please tell me a better way to fly to NY in J with points?
Do you prefer flying LH F 5am flight on small plane, and then you have FCT for 3 hours without sleeping at night ?
Post by: Emkay on December 15, 2016, 07:42:54 AM
Other airlines have plenty of middle aged FA's who have been doing the job for 5, 10, 20 years and view it as a real profession.I take it you only flew on American based airlines.
Can barely find an Asian FA of marriageable age.
Post by: shimino1 on December 15, 2016, 08:24:02 AM
I take it you only flew on American based airlines.Probably has to do with younger generation speaking much better english
Can barely find an Asian FA of marriageable age.
Post by: Emkay on December 15, 2016, 08:26:28 AM
Probably has to do with younger generation speaking much better englishNot a chance.
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2016, 08:36:26 AM
Correct but it is also a training and hiring issue.ELAL has been on my do-not-fly list since February 2000, so I don't have any recent experience.
Did you ever notice that there are almost no middle age people in the Israeli service industry? It's mostly high school or collage age people who are only working in that job until they move on to something better. They feel like they don't really have to treat you well since they are planing on moving on soon.
Did you ever see a 45 year old FA in Elal coach? Other airlines have plenty of middle aged FA's who have been doing the job for 5, 10, 20 years and view it as a real profession.
Post by: Proisrael on December 15, 2016, 08:46:43 AM
+1
Someone who flew Hainan to Beijing on a brand new A330 or Cathy to Hong Kong on a brand new A350 might return to ELAL if they get new planes but ONLY if they start training their staff to provide service in a way that you don't feel like they are doing you a favor after you spent double to fly with them!!!
But this is exactly the country your flying to. When you walk into any store in Israel you get the feeling like your doing them the favor.....Its a culture thing and the only way to change is for them to hire Asian FA :)
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2016, 09:09:11 AM
But this is exactly the country your flying to. When you walk into any store in Israel you get the feeling like your doing them the favor.....Its a culture thing and the only way to change is for them to hire Asian FA :)Which might be a contributing factor in me not flying there other than for family reasons ;) (which in recent years have become more frequent).
Also, how about hire a different CEO (of the Gordon Bethune type). As they say in Hebrew הדג מסריח מהראש!
Post by: shimino1 on December 15, 2016, 11:32:26 AM
But this is exactly the country your flying to. When you walk into any store in Israel you get the feeling like your doing them the favor.....Its a culture thing and the only way to change is for them to hire Asian FA :)Nothing captures it better than: It's not just the airline, it's Israel!
Post by: sharabob on December 15, 2016, 01:02:26 PM
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on December 20, 2016, 08:23:26 PM
Nothing captures it better than: It's not just the airline, it's Israel!I always say El Al's motto should be tweaked to: It's not an airline, it's Israel.
Post by: ExGingi on December 20, 2016, 08:41:10 PM
I always say El Al's motto should be tweaked to: It's not an airline, it's Israel.Said like a real Yekke ;)
Post by: high end hobo on December 20, 2016, 10:20:23 PM
Post by: MeirS on December 20, 2016, 10:39:10 PM
Whats up with that emergency landing tonight, was there really an engine fire?I was looking for a thread on that.
Any info about it? I heard the 1:37 clip from ATC but what exactly happened?
Post by: eis517 on December 24, 2016, 08:14:34 PM
Post by: ilherman on December 25, 2016, 12:52:51 AM
Post by: eis517 on December 25, 2016, 04:35:36 PM
No. LY does not have premium economy buckets. They sell everything as economy and you can purchase at extra cost economy plus. Same way UA works.
Has anyone ever flown the premium economy on the Elal 767-300? Is it worth the upgrade? we are flying with young kids, so anything to make the trip easier....
Post by: moe8555 on December 26, 2016, 03:07:52 AM
Post by: pghtown on January 08, 2017, 08:29:38 PM
Post by: zow on January 08, 2017, 08:46:00 PM
I am flying in/out of BOSTON on El Al soon. I do not think there is seat back entertainment on their 767's. Anyone flown that route recently to confirm? Do they have streaming on those planes (like they say on their website) and if so does it actually work?
Daughter just got back from Israel in Nov on the TLV-BOS flight. She just confirmed that in Y there is no seatback entertainment. There are small cathode-ray tube-type television monitors in the aisles but she said they were too small to see anything. IIRC, in J, they provide iPads. She said the FAs didn't inform them of any ability to stream on their own devices. Are you sure you have to fly on El Al??? :)
Post by: pghtown on January 08, 2017, 10:38:55 PM
Daughter just got back from Israel in Nov on the TLV-BOS flight. She just confirmed that in Y there is no seatback entertainment. There are small cathode-ray tube-type television monitors in the aisles but she said they were too small to see anything. IIRC, in J, they provide iPads. She said the FAs didn't inform them of any ability to stream on their own devices. Are you sure you have to fly on El Al??? :)Yup- booked :). Wonder if the Nov flight was the Spanish leased flight? El Al's website and in-flight magazine mention streaming. I need to have faith......
Post by: zow on January 08, 2017, 10:46:24 PM
Yup- booked :). Wonder if the Nov flight was the Spanish leased flight? El Al's website and in-flight magazine mention streaming. I need to have faith......No, neither her August nor her Nov flights was Spanish leased. I suppose it's possible they fly more than one plane on that route. I just always figured it was the same 767 back and forth.
At least it's non stop. And at least the food is kosher. Maybe the IFE will pleasantly surprise?
:)
Post by: ExGingi on January 09, 2017, 04:37:55 AM
Post by: moe8555 on January 09, 2017, 06:24:05 AM
Post by: pghtown on January 09, 2017, 09:58:54 AM
I flew BOS-TLV and it actually did have streaming -- so maybe the equipment isn't always the same? This was over a year ago...THANKS- I'll be sure to pack my book !
Post by: Yaalili on January 09, 2017, 09:30:13 PM
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 09, 2017, 11:12:31 PM
ElAl gets crowned #1 for most delayed flights in 2016 - http://www.pointswithacrew.com/5-airlines-avoid-want-arrive-time/#_ga=1.268684468.450787049.1470357631Wow! He has a very strong argument that he concludes with over there.
Post by: yandmk on January 10, 2017, 08:13:47 AM
Post by: MeirS on January 10, 2017, 08:23:06 AM
The funniest thing about this is El Al's slogan on their boarding pass. Did anyone ever notice?If you're referring to the statement about departing on time, it's very common for airlines to mention on time departure and gate closing times on their BPs. I don't think that's their slogan in any way.
Post by: ExGingi on March 05, 2017, 10:32:36 PM
Which might be a contributing factor in me not flying there other than for family reasons ;) (which in recent years have become more frequent).Here's someone else who feels there's a problem with ELAL management (or company culture).
Also, how about hire a different CEO (of the Gordon Bethune type). As they say in Hebrew הדג מסריח מהראש!
http://m.jpost.com/#/app/article/483227
Post by: Yaalili on March 09, 2017, 01:20:59 PM
https://thedesignair.net/2017/03/03/el-al-starting-to-invest-in-design-innovation/
Post by: shimino1 on March 09, 2017, 05:57:43 PM
What a joke! They are still flying planes from the 80's and 90's but think that if they change the look of the breakfast try it will help them to stop bleeding costumers.
Post by: ExGingi on March 09, 2017, 05:58:59 PM
"the carrier is slowly starting to invest in contemporary design touches that are piece by piece, changing the image of the carrier"
What a joke! They are still flying planes from the 80's and 90's but think that if they change the look of the breakfast try it will help them to stop bleeding costumers.
In the spirit of Purim ;)
Post by: Emkay on March 10, 2017, 02:28:12 AM
"the carrier is slowly starting to invest in contemporary design touches that are piece by piece, changing the image of the carrier"Maybe I'm misinformed but which planes in their fleet are from the 80s? Also age of actual plane isn't as relevant in their image. Which LY plane is older than Air Force One?
What a joke! They are still flying planes from the 80's and 90's but think that if they change the look of the breakfast try it will help them to stop bleeding costumers.
Post by: shimino1 on March 10, 2017, 04:09:45 AM
Maybe I'm misinformed but which planes in their fleet are from the 80s? Also age of actual plane isn't as relevant in their image. Which LY plane is older than Air Force One?Maybe I rounded. Down a bit :D
I defenatly know that I flew on their 747's when I was really young. The difference between air Force one and Elal's 747's is that air Force one gets used maybe once or twice a week. Elal's uses thier planes almost 24/6. That's one of the reasons that so often they have mechanical related delays.
Age of planes and subsequent flight delays are very relevant to thier image.
For all thier talk of safety and security, I am very nervous to get on a plane that old.
Post by: David Smith on March 10, 2017, 06:22:08 AM
Post by: coralsnake on March 13, 2017, 07:10:01 AM
Post by: Emkay on March 13, 2017, 07:21:57 AM
Post by: hvaces42 on March 13, 2017, 01:53:49 PM
Air Force One should be capitalized.over how many years? 27.5?
Post by: Proisrael on March 13, 2017, 02:26:20 PM
Post by: Emkay on April 02, 2017, 04:13:34 PM
About time they enabled WiFi. Free for the time being. Not all flights.
HT:Chaikel
Post by: VLK on April 02, 2017, 05:13:21 PM
https://www.elal.com/en/More-Info/Pages/hp/In-Flight-Services.aspxWhat flights is it offered on as of now ?
About time they enabled WiFi. Free for the time being. Not all flights.
HT:Chaikel
Post by: mgarfin on April 04, 2017, 04:27:49 PM
Has anyone seen these?
Post by: David Smith on April 04, 2017, 04:35:55 PM
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4945320,00.htmlA ripped blanket on an LY flight?
Has anyone seen these?
Post by: ar on April 04, 2017, 04:58:37 PM
A ripped blanket on an LY flight?
I had it on an elal flight, no big deal.
Cant believe it won the innovation award
Post by: Proisrael on April 14, 2017, 07:47:37 AM
Post by: sammy n on April 14, 2017, 08:40:45 AM
What flights is it offered on as of now ?The service is available on our 767 fleet and is offered on flights to/from Boston, Toronto, Mumbai, Beijing, Johannesburg and on some of our flights to/from Bangkok, as well as on some flights to/from select destinations in Europe. Likewise, the service is available on our 737 fleet and is offered on flights to/from select destinations in Europe.
Post by: pghtown on April 14, 2017, 10:49:01 AM
Any compensation I can get for Elal switching from their normal plane to a plane from Hi Fly?Did you arrive safely?
Post by: eis517 on April 26, 2017, 04:41:53 PM
Thanks in advance!
Post by: thaber on April 26, 2017, 04:44:01 PM
Post by: mochjas on April 26, 2017, 04:47:27 PM
Ridiculous that they don't offer one way flights. What century are they in?why would you want a one way international flight. It will be more expensive than a round trip. Just book a RT and throw out the leg you do not need
Post by: chff on April 26, 2017, 05:11:50 PM
Ridiculous that they don't offer one way flights. What century are they in?
Which airline does? (Not domestic and not LCC)
Post by: Cholentfresser on April 26, 2017, 05:15:45 PM
Post by: thaber on April 26, 2017, 05:33:06 PM
why would you want a one way international flight. It will be more expensive than a round trip. Just book a RT and throw out the leg you do not needLet me rephrase, they do it's just $300 more than a one around trip
Which airline does? (Not domestic and not LCC)I book Swiss, lh, ua, Austrian with points all the time. Truth is I don't know if they sell one way because I never pay cash, but El Al points isn't an eitza either...
Post by: mochjas on April 26, 2017, 05:47:48 PM
Let me rephrase, they do it's just $300 more than a one around tripI book Swiss, lh, ua, Austrian with points all the time. Truth is I don't know if they sell one way because I never pay cash, but El Al points isn't an eitza either...those airlines will all be the same for cash bookings. And there are lots of airlines that only allow RT redemptions and not only one way
Post by: ExGingi on April 26, 2017, 05:50:51 PM
I am flying with my family (2 small children) from YYZ to TLV on Elal. They fly the 767, and it is supposed to be a less than stellar experience. I was wondering if anyone has had success getting upgraded on Elal just by asking nicely, and if you have a contact that you have reached out to? I know this is probably an insane question, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask.
Thanks in advance!
IINM ELAL allows you to bid (or pay a predetermined price) for upgrades. They might even allow it once on board for a fee if there are seats available. I highly doubt one can get upgraded (especially with children) just for asking nicely.
Post by: tov hashem on May 01, 2017, 11:56:09 PM
Post by: ad120 on May 02, 2017, 12:35:40 AM
I booked 2 tickets on ELAL through amex travel however there is no seats selected on my booking info and no option for me to choose what should I do (phone takes very long) ANY ADVICE?You just got to wait on hold. Thank you for choosing ElAl and now shut up lol
Post by: ExGingi on May 02, 2017, 12:54:23 AM
You just got to wait on hold. Thank you for choosing ElAl and now shut up lolAnd hear over and over אלעל הכי בבית בעולם!
Post by: tov hashem on May 02, 2017, 02:25:16 AM
Post by: shiframeir on May 02, 2017, 03:00:53 AM
And hear over and over אלעל הכי בבית בעולם!nuu Kol isha!! now i can't get that banshee's song out of my head.
Post by: yanks10952 on May 02, 2017, 12:46:22 PM
I booked 2 tickets on ELAL through amex travel however there is no seats selected on my booking info and no option for me to choose what should I do (phone takes very long) ANY ADVICE?
i think with airline locator # go online and select seats
Post by: ExGingi on May 02, 2017, 12:55:06 PM
nuu Kol isha!! now i can't get that banshee's song out of my head.
Coming from someone with a name like shiframeir. ;)
Post by: shiframeir on May 03, 2017, 10:13:16 AM
Coming from someone with a name like shiframeir. ;)im not kol isha, just chatzi-isha :)
Post by: shmoe joe on May 08, 2017, 08:22:39 PM
Post by: Yaalili on May 08, 2017, 08:25:41 PM
Does anyone know a contact number for elal customer service? Their 180023006700 doesn't seem to work.
From Google 1 (800) 223-6700.
Post by: David Smith on May 08, 2017, 08:26:57 PM
elal customer serviceWhat's that?
Post by: shmoe joe on May 08, 2017, 08:29:44 PM
From Google 1 (800) 223-6700.thats the one I've been trying for some dozen times but doesn't seem to work :(
Post by: shmoe joe on May 08, 2017, 08:30:49 PM
What's that?lol :)
whatever they call customer service, should at least have a working number!
Post by: sammy n on May 08, 2017, 08:30:55 PM
Post by: shmoe joe on May 08, 2017, 08:48:11 PM
Post by: ad120 on May 22, 2017, 11:18:40 PM
Post by: moe8555 on May 23, 2017, 02:57:05 AM
Why doesn't ElAl offer connecting flights to Europe/Asia via TLV on their own metal?
I guess it depends on where you're coming from, but there are usually plenty of more direct ways to get to those places. Assuming you're starting from the US, why would you want to add a number of hours and transfer in TLV?
Post by: chff on May 23, 2017, 08:47:35 AM
Why doesn't ElAl offer connecting flights to Europe/Asia via TLV on their own metal?Elal survives with their O/D traffic, they don't need hub transfers, unlike most other airlines
Post by: aygart on May 23, 2017, 08:51:10 AM
Elal survives with their O/D traffic, they don't need hub transfers, unlike most other airlinesThey even fill their planes like that with poor service. Why would someone pay a premium for the special Israeli service?
Post by: moe8555 on May 23, 2017, 10:20:59 AM
Post by: ad120 on May 23, 2017, 10:58:53 AM
I guess it depends on where you're coming from, but there are usually plenty of more direct ways to get to those places. Assuming you're starting from the US, why would you want to add a number of hours and transfer in TLV?Connecting flights times can change. IMO, TLV is an easy Airport to navigate compared to European airports.
Elal survives with their O/D traffic, they don't need hub transfers, unlike most other airlinesTrue. However it can increase revenue and fill planes during low season.
Post by: chff on May 23, 2017, 11:00:55 AM
True. However it can increase revenue and fill planes during low season.
Again, its out of the way. They offer thru fares to JNB & BKK
Post by: ad120 on May 23, 2017, 11:05:06 AM
Again, its out of the way.Agreed. But people fly SU to various destinations and connected in SVO even though it is out of the way.
They offer thru fares to JNB & BKKRealy? Because I remember askingif LY allows stopovers in TLV when flying to HKG and was told no. Interesting that you can do that to JNB and BKK.
Post by: chff on May 23, 2017, 11:07:16 AM
Realy? Because I remember askingif LY allows stopovers in TLV when flying to HKG and was told no. Interesting that you can do that to JNB and BKK.
Fare rules usually have a MPM - and NYC>TLV>HKG I guess is way over, same reason CX doesn't have a fare NYC>HKG>TLV & KE NYC>ICN>TLV
Post by: ad120 on May 23, 2017, 05:00:03 PM
Fare rules usually have a MPM - and NYC>TLV>HKG I guess is way over, same reason CX doesn't have a fare NYC>HKG>TLV & KE NYC>ICN>TLVFor KE it would actually make a lot of sense to code share with AF/KL/AZ and Air Europa via TLV.
Post by: tavster on June 05, 2017, 02:27:01 AM
(Bloomberg) -- El Al to sign three code-share agreements at IATA meeting in Cancun, Mexico, international affairs director Daniel Stapleton and deputy international affairs director Stanley Morais say in an interview.
* Joint marketing deals cover TAP Portugal, Aeromexico, Qantas:
** TAP Portugal to connect on Europe routes via Lisbon; to expand to Brazil
** Aeromexico to link on routes via U.S., Europe
** Qantas to connect via Hong Kong, Bangkok, Johannesburg
* No scope for joint ventures in existing anti-trust rules
* Airline in talks for additional code share deals w/carriers in North America, East Asia, Latin America
Post by: Z56 on June 16, 2017, 10:30:25 AM
Post by: shiframeir on June 17, 2017, 11:53:26 PM
El Al ranked dirtiest, noisiest airline at Heathrow (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-ranked-dirtiest-noisiest-airline-at-heathrow-1001192854)We're #1! We're #1!...
Post by: Emkay on June 18, 2017, 06:38:42 AM
El Al ranked dirtiest, noisiest airline at Heathrow (http://www.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-ranked-dirtiest-noisiest-airline-at-heathrow-1001192854)Do consumers really care about how green an airline is?
Post by: a mirrer on June 18, 2017, 06:54:29 AM
Do consumers really care about how green an airline is?most probably the people who add the $7.62 for co2 offset on tickets
Post by: moe8555 on June 19, 2017, 05:16:05 PM
Post by: VLK on June 25, 2017, 03:48:26 PM
Post by: chff on June 25, 2017, 06:56:44 PM
What is the fare class for LY first class points tickets?P
Post by: chaim0m on June 26, 2017, 03:13:50 AM
Post by: shiframeir on July 05, 2017, 05:46:12 PM
Post by: chff on July 05, 2017, 08:56:14 PM
Has anyone had success upgrading a regular discount economy ticket to a premium economy (and how much)? I tried and was shot down with them saying its a totally different class and not like the old economy plus upgrade, wondering if its worth it to huca. Would think if i paid the difference in current price they should give it, but they didnt budge...
Should be able just like you can upgrade now to business. You will need to pay the pen (ohum) + fare difference
Post by: gold on July 06, 2017, 02:12:55 AM
Post by: tavster on July 06, 2017, 02:13:57 AM
Whats the best seat for an overnight to YYZ?
In Y or C?
Post by: gold on July 06, 2017, 02:18:35 AM
Post by: tavster on July 06, 2017, 02:27:12 AM
c- as the subject line!Sorry I missed that. I like the D and G, as both have aisle access. So you won't be bothered or have to go over someone else if you want to go around
Post by: gold on July 06, 2017, 02:33:22 AM
Sorry I missed that. I like the D and G, as both have aisle access. So you won't be bothered or have to go over someone else if you want to go around
which row?
does the traffic bother you on the narrow plane?
Post by: tavster on July 06, 2017, 03:24:58 AM
which row?
does the traffic bother you on the narrow plane?
11 and 12.
There is not much traffic, especially on red eyes. But the seats are narrower than on their other wide body jets
Post by: moe8555 on July 06, 2017, 07:17:09 AM
Has anyone had success upgrading a regular discount economy ticket to a premium economy (and how much)? I tried and was shot down with them saying its a totally different class and not like the old economy plus upgrade, wondering if its worth it to huca. Would think if i paid the difference in current price they should give it, but they didnt budge...
Have you logged into your itinerary to see if you have "plusgrade" offer (bidding for an upgrade)?
Give it a shot.
Post by: gold on July 06, 2017, 08:55:03 AM
11 and 12.
There is not much traffic, especially on red eyes. But the seats are narrower than on their other wide body jets
has the bulkhead window on the right got space to get out?
Post by: sky121 on July 17, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
Post by: gold on July 17, 2017, 09:29:39 AM
Post by: shimino1 on July 17, 2017, 01:37:14 PM
IPADSI think only in J
Post by: pghtown on July 17, 2017, 08:24:02 PM
Anyone taken the ElAl flight from TLV to Boston? Is there entertainment system any good? I haven't flown them in years. My flight to TLV from JFK had me feeling like I was back in the 90s.Took the 767 earlier this year. Older plane, no seat-back entertainment. They have an app to stream movies etc (free) - not sure how well that works.
Post by: ad120 on August 28, 2017, 08:23:31 PM
Would LY interline bags with VS or DL?
Post by: shiframeir on August 29, 2017, 04:50:33 AM
Have you logged into your itinerary to see if you have "plusgrade" offer (bidding for an upgrade)?alas, nothing :( gonna have to just hunker down in a smaller elal seat (but with better video hopefully) in coach.
Post by: miles lover on November 04, 2017, 11:27:13 PM
Post by: elya on November 04, 2017, 11:34:10 PM
Anyone know about how much it would cost for me to upgrade a ticket from economy to j the day of the flight ? Just one leg of the round trip. Tlv to NYC todayDepends on what class its booked in.
Post by: moe8555 on November 05, 2017, 02:46:45 AM
Anyone know about how much it would cost for me to upgrade a ticket from economy to j the day of the flight ? Just one leg of the round trip. Tlv to NYC today
You can always do a cash upgrade on board, I think they start at $700 but probably $1K+
Post by: a mirrer on November 05, 2017, 06:12:11 AM
Anyone know about how much it would cost for me to upgrade a ticket from economy to j the day of the flight ? Just one leg of the round trip. Tlv to NYC todayby checkin I was offered a few times for $800
Post by: tavster on November 07, 2017, 10:40:16 AM
Post by: jose34 on February 06, 2018, 03:31:16 PM
Post by: shapsam on February 06, 2018, 03:31:39 PM
does anyone know if the ELAL planes from EWR to TLV have Wifi?Not yet.
Post by: elya on February 06, 2018, 03:31:48 PM
does anyone know if the ELAL planes from EWR to TLV have Wifi?They dont.
Post by: VLK on February 11, 2018, 09:47:32 AM
Post by: moe8555 on February 11, 2018, 09:57:01 AM
Anyone know if PE or being a gold member will get me priority security in EWR?
AFAIK, only separate check-in.
Post by: tavster on February 22, 2018, 02:55:19 AM
http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news18/212-PGELAL.shtml
Post by: efflpetzel on February 22, 2018, 11:08:18 AM
PG and LY announce codeshareDoes that mean it's more likely TG will stay direct flights to Israel
http://www.asiatraveltips.com/news18/212-PGELAL.shtml
(I can't understand how that hasn't happened until now with such a huge demand from Israelis, unless there's an issue with overflying hostile countries)
Post by: Menachemfrombp on February 24, 2018, 08:42:42 PM
Post by: high end hobo on February 25, 2018, 12:29:24 AM
any idea why the 7;15 pm elal flight tlv-jfk disappeared from my options, saw it till a few days ago (sunday may 6)Dont cross post
Post by: myi on March 29, 2018, 12:16:17 PM
Anything of value?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on April 13, 2018, 04:12:21 PM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on April 15, 2018, 04:10:09 PM
Any recent DPs in hand baggage weighing ex-JFK?
They weighed carryons this past Motzaei Shabbos in JFK, and checked in the overweight ones for free.
Post by: Yaalili on April 16, 2018, 07:12:29 AM
From Tel Aviv from 31MAR19, the 6 weekly flights will be operated by a mix of Boeing 767 and 777, replacing the 747. Further changes remain possible in the next few months.
LY081 TLV2300 1415+1BKK 772 247
LY081 TLV2300 1430+1BKK 763 136
LY082 BKK0010 0730TLV 763 135
LY082 BKK0010 0715TLV 772 247
Post by: chff on April 30, 2018, 11:09:08 AM
Quote
Why is the UP brand being merged with EL AL?
In light of UP`s success and the experience we have gained with this brand, we decided to unite all European destinations under one brand, EL AL, as we adapt our service to the diverse needs of the Israeli consumer and review all of our European destinations.
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 07:49:31 PM
Thanks!
Post by: elya on May 01, 2018, 08:40:35 PM
Is there anyway to select seats on ELAL? It seems like their site is broken. Can I pull up the reservation on a different partner airline and change the seats from there? For some reason one of the pax on the reservation instead of having the seat selected for him, it says unspecified. When I click on it, it doesn't fully loaded the seat map.. Is there any TA who would be willing to assist?PUTPAC!
Thanks!
Post by: yelped on May 01, 2018, 09:43:30 PM
PUTPAC!Thanks! Personal experience?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 01, 2018, 10:40:06 PM
Thanks! Personal experience?
Yes, for me at least.
Post by: elya on May 01, 2018, 10:45:30 PM
Thanks! Personal experience?Yes
Post by: Geshmak25 on May 09, 2018, 06:49:32 PM
Post by: mrprez27 on May 10, 2018, 12:39:20 AM
What if the regular fare was booked with points?
Thanks
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2018, 12:58:28 AM
Does LY always offer the same day onboard business class upgrade for $700-$800?
What if the regular fare was booked with points?
Thanks
Yes, typically available n board if there are spare seats left. They don't care if it's an award ticke
Post by: sky121 on June 03, 2018, 09:29:39 PM
Post by: shapsam on June 03, 2018, 09:46:38 PM
I've never booked an ElAl award flight. How are they with availability from NY to TLV generally? CoachPretty good.
Post by: tavster on June 04, 2018, 10:49:11 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001239729
Post by: zow on June 04, 2018, 11:29:04 AM
Was 767
Now 772
Is this an upgrade or a downgrade?
Newer plane but more squishy (in Y)?
Post by: shapsam on June 04, 2018, 11:37:36 AM
LY just changed the equipment on BOS-TLV in November.Not squishy at all, its a 3-3-3 configuration and most airlines have 3-4-3.
Was 767
Now 772
Is this an upgrade or a downgrade?
Newer plane but more squishy (in Y)?
I don't understand how they plan on filling up a 777 when the're having a hard time with the 767.
Post by: tavster on June 04, 2018, 11:43:34 AM
Not squishy at all, its a 3-3-3 configuration and most airlines have 3-4-3.What choice do they have since they are retiring their 767?
I don't understand how they plan on filling up a 777 when the're having a hard time with the 767.
Post by: zow on June 04, 2018, 11:45:28 AM
Not squishy at all, its a 3-3-3 configuration and most airlines have 3-4-3.Right. Thanks. Maybe it's a transitional move until they can get enough 787s to include this route?
I don't understand how they plan on filling up a 777 when the're having a hard time with the 767.
Why would Exit Row window seats (45A and 45K) be free, but the other seats in that row (45B,C and 45IJ) cost $110 apiece?
Post by: tavster on June 04, 2018, 11:52:46 AM
Right. Thanks. Maybe it's a transitional move until they can get enough 787s to include this route?Because these seats actually have much more room
Why would Exit Row window seats (45A and 45K) be free, but the other seats in that row (45B,C and 45IJ) cost $110 apiece?
See LY's seat map https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/About-ELAL/EL%20AL%20Planes/767.pdf
Post by: zow on June 04, 2018, 11:57:26 AM
Because these seats actually have much more roomThanks. The seat map you sent shows the 767. SeatGuru hasn't updated this flight yet, but I see that LY has two versions of the 772. The reviews of 45A and 45K (the window seats in the exit row) say something about the legroom being compromised by the wing. Maybe I should avoid them? Free is not always a good value...
See LY's seat map https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/About-ELAL/EL%20AL%20Planes/767.pdf
ETA:
http://theflight.info/seat-map-boeing-777-200-el-al-best-seats-in-the-plane/
Behind the exit row the second section of economy class seats is located. Passengers of the seats 45ABC and 45HJK will take advantage of extra legroom. However, these seats are narrower than standard as the tray tables are in the armrests making them immovable; have no floor storage during take-off and landing; the noise that is coming from the galleys and lavatories located in front will cause discomfort to passengers of these seats. In addition, protrusion of the exit doors inside slightly restricts the legroom of the seats 45A and 45K.
Post by: tavster on June 04, 2018, 11:59:44 AM
Thanks. The seat map you sent shows the 767. SeatGuru hasn't updated this flight yet, but I see that LY has two versions of the 772. The reviews of 45A and 45K (the window seats in the exit row) say something about the legroom being compromised by the wing. Maybe I should avoid them? Free is not always a good value...Sorry, correct link here https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionImages/ELAL_planes/SeatingMap/777/7205-3249=777%20Seating02.15.jpg
Post by: zow on June 04, 2018, 12:03:33 PM
Sorry, correct link here https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionImages/ELAL_planes/SeatingMap/777/7205-3249=777%20Seating02.15.jpgThat's cool. Thanks. I can see the red door protruding on the map you provided.
Given that, and the slightly more narrow seats, and the immovability of the arm rests, I think we'll just sit further back and hope for a ghetto lie-flat upgrade. Thank you.
Post by: yandmk on June 19, 2018, 04:20:10 PM
Post by: ExGingi on June 19, 2018, 05:20:57 PM
On Jul 11, there's a 747 on schedule to JFK and no scheduled flight to return? Anyone have a clue? Are they retiring the plane in the US?On a recent daytime takeoff from TLV I noticed 4 or 5 old 747 strewn around the airport. I thought it was quite odd. They used to say that one was there for crew training, and one was there for special operations training in case of hijack, but there are definitely more than 2 laying around there.
Post by: shaulyaakov on June 20, 2018, 09:14:35 AM
On a recent daytime takeoff from TLV I noticed 4 or 5 old 747 strewn around the airport. I thought it was quite odd. They used to say that one was there for crew training, and one was there for special operations training in case of hijack, but there are definitely more than 2 laying around there.
Interesting. According to the Elal website, there are 4 747-400 in service plus 1 cargo plane. Even that sounds low since I believe there are 2 daily flights from JFK in a 747, and I know they have at least one where there's no F class, and J is only upstairs (I was on that once from BCN). Now if you say there are 4-5 more not in use, that's very strange.
Post by: yandmk on June 20, 2018, 09:40:32 AM
Interesting. According to the Elal website, there are 4 747-400 in service plus 1 cargo plane. Even that sounds low since I believe there are 2 daily flights from JFK in a 747, and I know they have at least one where there's no F class, and J is only upstairs (I was on that once from BCN). Now if you say there are 4-5 more not in use, that's very strange.All 747's currently in service have F class
Post by: tavster on June 20, 2018, 09:47:02 AM
Maybe they forgot to tell him.. :o :D
Post by: shaulyaakov on June 20, 2018, 10:03:36 AM
All 747's currently in service have F classI guess they retired them then. Which maybe some of the ones floating around TLV.
I imagine they might have some arrangement with the government to keep a long range plane around for use by the PM if he needs an emergency flight.
Post by: ExGingi on June 20, 2018, 11:09:12 AM
Interesting. According to the Elal website, there are 4 747-400 in service plus 1 cargo plane. Even that sounds low since I believe there are 2 daily flights from JFK in a 747, and I know they have at least one where there's no F class, and J is only upstairs (I was on that once from BCN). Now if you say there are 4-5 more not in use, that's very strange.Those strewn around the airport look ancient. Definitely have not been in service in the last 5 years.
Post by: JACKBLUE on June 25, 2018, 06:52:05 PM
Post by: Moshke on June 25, 2018, 08:08:06 PM
@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: EL AL CEO says anyone who refuses to sit next to another passenger will be removed from flight, following incident involving frum person....What's the story he is referring too?
Post by: JACKBLUE on June 25, 2018, 08:08:29 PM
What's the story he is referring too?no idea!
Hard to believe theyll do such a thing.....
Post by: Million Miler on June 25, 2018, 09:28:08 PM
What's the story he is referring too?
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1545462/again-chareidi-passengers-cause-flight-delay-after-insisting-on-moving-seats-away-from-a-woman.html
http://matzav.com/el-al-ceo-passengers-who-refuse-seat-partners-will-be-removed-from-flights/
Post by: 159dallas on June 25, 2018, 11:16:07 PM
Have to agree with dan on this maybe we should have rows reserved for those people that are bothered by that...
Post by: davidrotts63 on June 25, 2018, 11:16:55 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/el-al/el-al-ceo-refusing-sit-next-another-passenger-will-result-immediate-ejection-plane/ (https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/el-al/el-al-ceo-refusing-sit-next-another-passenger-will-result-immediate-ejection-plane/)credits to @ExGingi
Have to agree with dan on this maybe we should have rows reserved for those people that are bothered by that...
Post by: chff on June 25, 2018, 11:25:43 PM
RQNM REQUEST NON-VIEWING MOVIE SEATS NN
Post by: shmoe joe on June 26, 2018, 01:02:08 AM
@KolHaolam: ISRAEL: EL AL CEO says anyone who refuses to sit next to another passenger will be removed from flight, following incident involving frum person....wow gr8 maybe the departure delays will finally stop!
Post by: ExGingi on June 26, 2018, 02:22:31 AM
credits to @ExGingiWhere's my HT?
Though I also added possible solutions (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93380.msg1948789#msg1948789) for the "smart-Alecs" described in the post (but can understand why it had to be censored out of DDMS just like ChaimMoskowitz was substituted by Smart-Alecs ;) )
All of that being said, I am surprised that @Dan, listing Hebrew as #2 on fluency (and English as #1! (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=51056.msg1945768#msg1945768)), couldn't come up with a better translation to the ELAL CEO post? I think at this point even @ChaimMoskowitz knows better than using Google Translate, and might have come up with a version that doesn't read like a product of Sergei Brinn's AI.
Post by: Dan on June 26, 2018, 09:51:24 AM
Where's my HT?
Though I also added possible solutions (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93380.msg1948789#msg1948789) for the "smart-Alecs" described in the post (but can understand why it had to be censored out of DDMS just like ChaimMoskowitz was substituted by Smart-Alecs ;) )
All of that being said, I am surprised that @Dan, listing Hebrew as #2 on fluency (and English as #1! (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=51056.msg1945768#msg1945768)), couldn't come up with a better translation to the ELAL CEO post? I think at this point even @ChaimMoskowitz knows better than using Google Translate, and might have come up with a version that doesn't read like a product of Sergei Brinn's AI.
Quote from: DDMS
If you have something better than post it rather than just being a critic.
למען הסר ספק הוריתי היום על חידוד הנהלים בנושא ולהבא נוסע שייסרב לשבת ליד נוסע אחר יורד באופן מיידי מהטיסה
Roughly translated, For the avoidance of doubt, I ordered today the strengthening of these procedures and from now on, any passenger that refuses to sit next to someone will be immediately ejected from the plane.
Post by: am7734 on June 26, 2018, 10:16:22 AM
And now at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna886521
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/1545462/again-chareidi-passengers-cause-flight-delay-after-insisting-on-moving-seats-away-from-a-woman.html
http://matzav.com/el-al-ceo-passengers-who-refuse-seat-partners-will-be-removed-from-flights/
Although according to them it happened Friday night
Post by: shaulyaakov on June 26, 2018, 10:33:45 AM
Post by: yandmk on June 26, 2018, 10:40:12 AM
I just want to wait for elal to have to decide to forcibly remove someone from the plane and have a Dr. Dau situation.From claiming they will do so, to actually doing so, is a long way
Post by: ExGingi on June 26, 2018, 11:21:22 AM
If you have something better than post it rather than just being a critic.Was initially going to do so, but gave up as I was on a small touch screen at the time. Will get to it soon, unless someone beats me to it.
ETA:
Someone did comment on DDMS about a more accurate translation of חידוד הנהלים.
Here's how I might have worded it:
"...To avoid any doubt [in regards to our non-discrimination policies], I have issued a directive clarifying our procedures relating to this topic [non-discrimination], and from now on..."
I feel that adding the words in brackets is necessary as this is just the last sentence of his statement.
Post by: Dan on June 26, 2018, 11:49:23 AM
Was initially going to do so, but gave up as I was on a small touch screen at the time. Will get to it soon, unless someone beats me to it.Meh.
ETA:
Someone did comment on DDMS about a more accurate translation of חידוד הנהלים.
Here's how I might have worded it:
"...To avoid any doubt [in regards to our non-discrimination policies], I have issued a directive clarifying our procedures relating to this topic [non-discrimination], and from now on..."
I feel that adding the words in brackets is necessary as this is just the last sentence of his statement.
Post by: chff on June 26, 2018, 05:33:14 PM
And now at: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna886521
Although according to them it happened Friday night
See the comments here https://thepointsguy.com/news/el-al-moving-women-again/
Post by: ExGingi on July 06, 2018, 11:53:46 AM
Post by: elit on July 06, 2018, 01:05:32 PM
Post by: shapsam on July 06, 2018, 01:10:46 PM
I assume there is no way to do Online check in on a flight that's less than 3 hours after shabbos?Check in for Motzei Shabbos flights opens Friday afternoon (36 hours before?).
Post by: elit on July 06, 2018, 01:12:22 PM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 06, 2018, 05:04:53 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001244431
Elal chairman asks reporter if it's worth sacrificing 6000 employess so that tickets to India will cost $200 less
Post by: shapsam on July 06, 2018, 05:23:29 PM
Probably worthy of a new thread
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001244431
Elal chairman asks reporter if it's worth sacrificing 6000 employess so that tickets to India will cost $200 less
Reporter: ? מי בכלל טס איתכם
Post by: elit on July 06, 2018, 05:30:57 PM
Check in for Motzei Shabbos flights opens Friday afternoon (36 hours before?).still.no go
Post by: davidrotts63 on July 06, 2018, 05:41:44 PM
Check in for Motzei Shabbos flights opens Friday afternoon (36 hours before?).Ex-TLV only, no?
Post by: elit on July 06, 2018, 05:58:38 PM
Ex-TLV only, no?oh why would that be
Post by: shapsam on July 06, 2018, 06:11:39 PM
Ex-TLV only, no?Apparently.
oh why would that beMaybe try the Israeli site elal.co.il
Post by: ExGingi on July 08, 2018, 12:33:16 AM
Reporter: ? מי בכלל טס איתכם
Quick takeaway from the article: TLV-NYC is the most profitable route. LY can't afford to lose the clientele that cares about Shabbos on that route (and probably other profitable routes).
Post by: rzil on July 08, 2018, 12:39:22 AM
Post by: yanks10952 on July 12, 2018, 04:11:24 PM
Post by: yandmk on July 12, 2018, 04:51:15 PM
I would like to fly EWR-TLV and as of now there are no PE available for that day in November. Do these normally open up?Is it a 787?
What day/flight?
Post by: US on July 12, 2018, 05:33:48 PM
I would like to fly EWR-TLV and as of now there are no PE available for that day in November. Do these normally open up?IME, before I booked I checked every day for a few weeks nothing opened up. And I even checked after I booked, and nothin. But maybe you'll be lucky.
Post by: yandmk on July 12, 2018, 05:40:51 PM
I would like to fly EWR-TLV and as of now there are no PE available for that day in November. Do these normally open up?There is available space in PE on EVERY SINGLE flight from EWR this coming Nov. And if you're referring to award space, there are only 4 dates in Nov that don't have award space in PE from EWR. The rest of the month is wide open.
Not sure where you're searching.
Post by: travelplus on July 13, 2018, 02:36:04 AM
Post by: yanks10952 on July 13, 2018, 09:05:58 AM
There is available space in PE on EVERY SINGLE flight from EWR this coming Nov. And if you're referring to award space, there are only 4 dates in Nov that don't have award space in PE from EWR. The rest of the month is wide open.
Not sure where you're searching.
Sorry , yes I am trying to use an award do these open up sometimes?
Post by: yandmk on July 13, 2018, 09:19:52 AM
Sorry , yes I am trying to use an award do these open up sometimes?Sometimes
Post by: ExGingi on July 13, 2018, 09:49:07 AM
Sounds like flying United SFO TLV is better than LY. I think United shkuld add a 1 PM flight and cancel the LY balagan flight and bring fares down.LY picked a losing battle with SFO.
United should add 3 more daily flights from both SFO and EWR so that fares could be rock bottom.
Post by: yandmk on July 13, 2018, 10:34:59 AM
LY picked a losing battle with SFO.LY pulling out of SFO, will not cause fares to drop.
United should add 3 more daily flights from both SFO and EWR so that fares could be rock bottom.
Post by: ExGingi on July 13, 2018, 10:46:01 AM
LY pulling out of SFO, will not cause fares to drop.There were two separate, and distinct parts to my post. First sentence was serious, second was sarcastic.
Post by: tavster on July 15, 2018, 10:35:42 AM
https://video.fsdv1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t42.9040-2/10000000_258331918306825_9084810778363559936_n.mp4?_nc_cat=0&efg=eyJybHIiOjM4OCwicmxhIjo0MDk2LCJ2ZW5jb2RlX3RhZyI6InN2ZV9zZCJ9&oh=21be9627d1442ea0fda186926cb2387c&oe=5B4B9926
Post by: yandmk on July 15, 2018, 12:11:51 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001244431
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מספיק שלא נותנים לי להצטרף לאף ברית של חברות תעופה כי יושבות שם חברות ערביות.
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2018, 03:48:28 PM
Interesting sentence that I noticed in this article. This must be the answer to the million dollar question of why El Al isn't part of any of the 3 big alliances.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001244431Quoteמספיק שלא נותנים לי להצטרף לאף ברית של חברות תעופה כי יושבות שם חברות ערביות.
Just an excuse. Only Arab airline in Star Alliance is Egypt Air, and with Egypt Israel has a peace treaty.
Post by: shapsam on July 15, 2018, 03:55:32 PM
Egypt Air probably doesn't have much leverage either way.
Just an excuse. Only Arab airline in Star Alliance is Egypt Air, and with Egypt Israel has a peace treaty.
Maybe TK doesn't like it?
@Dan Did this come up in your conversation with LY?
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2018, 04:22:40 PM
Egypt Air probably doesn't have much leverage either way.TK aren't Arab.
Maybe TK doesn't like it?
@Dan Did this come up in your conversation with LY?
I don't know the mechanics or politics of how alliances function, and whether TK could block LY from joining StarAlliance. I doubt TK sees LY as a threat on connecting flights, there's just no comparison when it comes to the network size and reach.
Post by: yandmk on July 15, 2018, 05:09:24 PM
TK aren't Arab.I don't know if TK is able to stop them or not, but it's no secret that TK and LY hate each other. El Al cannot stomach the fact that TK is allowed to fly into Israel, while El Al isn't allowed to fly into Istanbul (which I agree isn't very fair). And TK has 9 daily nonstop flights to TLV so they can fight El Al on almost every route with cheap connection options. They're even adding a tenth daily flight now.
I don't know the mechanics or politics of how alliances function, and whether TK could block LY from joining StarAlliance. I doubt TK sees LY as a threat on connecting flights, there's just no comparison when it comes to the network size and reach.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-turkish-airlines-adding-tenth-daily-flight-from-tel-aviv-1001245958
I don't believe there is any other carrier that has even half that amount of daily flights into TLV from a single destination.
El Al is pretty verbal about it too, as mentioned in the above article
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אבל מי קהל היעד? מי ההארד קור?
"אני אגיד לכן מי לא: אני לא יכול להתמודד עם חברה כמו טורקיש, שלוקחת אנשים מישראל, שמה אותם בהאב ומטיסה אותם לארצות-הברית, כל החבילה ב-700 דולר. אנחנו לא מסוגלים כי לא נותנים לאל-על לנחות באיסטנבול. בטיסות הישירות, פוינט טו פוינט, אנו מתמודדים מול כל החברות".
המחירים של אל-על ירדו בהתאמה למחירים של החברות האלה?
"אל-על הפחיתה מחירים ומנסה להתחרות, היא לא מצליחה להגיע אחד לאחד בחלק מהנתיבים, בטח במזרח. אבל לא מולן אני מתמודד, אלא מול דלתא ומול יונייטד (הטיסות לניו-יורק, הקו הרווחי ביותר של אל-על). יש בסוף עלויות לחברה מערבית שלא נתמכת על-ידי המדינה, ועם זה אנו מתמודדים".
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2018, 05:37:36 PM
I don't know if TK is able to stop them or not, but it's no secret that TK and LY hate each other. El Al cannot stomach the fact that TK is allowed to fly into Israel, while El Al isn't allowed to fly into Istanbul (which I agree isn't very fair). And TK has 9 daily nonstop flights to TLV so they can fight El Al on almost every route with cheap connection options. They're even adding a tenth daily flight now.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-turkish-airlines-adding-tenth-daily-flight-from-tel-aviv-1001245958
I don't believe there is any other carrier that has even half that amount of daily flights into TLV from a single destination.
El Al is pretty verbal about it too, as mentioned in the above article
LY hates (or is jealous of) TK, not sure it goes the other way.
I just did a Google search to find out how come LY doesn't fly to IST, and found out that it's an Israeli security issue https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1000521175.
Read the sentence carefully, he's complaining about his inability to compete with TK that runs a huge hub at IST, and is able to be competitive to many destinations for people willing to connect. How does LY's inability to compete with TK on a flight to the US (TK flies to more destinations in NA than LY does) have anything to do with the inability to land in IST? It's mixing up two irrelevant issues, the inability to compete on the TLV-IST route (which is very high traffic, not so much due to point-to-point travel but rather as a connection hub - 85% of traffic is a commonly used figure).
ETA: I just went back and read through the article I just posted until the end, and found the following paragraph which I found laughable:
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על-פי המתוכנן, בשלב הבא מתכוונת אל-על להפוך את נתב"ג ל"האב", ולהטיס אליו באמצעות חברת אטלס ג'ט תיירים טורקיים שיגיעו מאיסטנבול לנתב"ג, וימשיכו מכאן בטיסות אל-על ליעדים דוגמת ארה"ב או המזרח הרחוק, שאליהם לא טסה אטלס ג'ט.
Seriously? LY is hoping that TLV should become a hub for Turkish travelers that would flock to Atlas for flights to points served by LY? ::) ::) ::) ::)
Post by: yandmk on July 15, 2018, 06:14:06 PM
Seriously? LY is hoping that TLV should become a hub for Turkish travelers that would flock to Atlas for flights to points served by LY? ::) ::) ::) ::)I don't think Turkish was in 2009 what it is today
Post by: yandmk on July 15, 2018, 06:19:52 PM
I don't think Turkish was in 2009 what it is todayTriple the passengers, triple the fleet size and about double the destinations.
Source: Wikipedia
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2018, 09:37:37 PM
I don't think Turkish was in 2009 what it is todayI think you might have misunderstood what I wrote. I wasnt referring to TK passengers when I wrote Turkish travelers, but rather I was quoting the article that was talking about ELAL hoping that tourists originating from Turkey, wanting to travel on Atlas, would have access to LYs network.
While TK definitely grew (and Atlas might have also), I doubt whether anyone ever booked a flight on Atlas to connect to an onward LY flight from the TLV hub.
Post by: yanks10952 on July 18, 2018, 09:45:34 AM
Post by: US on July 18, 2018, 10:29:24 AM
Currently there are no award tickets available to premium economy when i want to go. I I book an award economy ticket will I be able to upgrade that to premium economy if it open up and how many points will it cost?No, you'll need to cancel and book the PE.
Post by: yanks10952 on July 19, 2018, 02:20:53 PM
I am flying first ELAL 747 (normally go United) and according to Seat Guru 35K is very good as there is no seat in front and it has a window? Am I missing something it seems pretty good? Can i get out without going over the other two people in my row?
Post by: yandmk on July 19, 2018, 02:35:34 PM
I tried to find if it has been talked about but could not find it sorry if its a repostFTFY
I am flying first time ELAL 747 (normally go United) and according to Seat Guru 35K is very good as there is no seat in front and it has a window? Am I missing something it seems pretty good? Can i get out without going over the other two people in my row?
I believe it's a very good seat. But it cost $$ IINM
Post by: tavster on July 19, 2018, 02:40:05 PM
FTFYThat's right.
I believe it's a very good seat. But it cost $$ IINM
Seat map: https://www.elal.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/About-ELAL/EL%20AL%20Planes/747-400.JPG
Post by: Hjay on July 26, 2018, 09:32:55 AM
Post by: yandmk on July 26, 2018, 09:41:14 AM
LY8 from JFK - TLV 11:45pm, showing on FlightAware that it left at 1:19am which is 1hour 34 min late now showing that its landing at 8:57pm which is almost 4 hours later than originally scheduled. How does that make sense?It's a mistake. Scheduled to land about 5:35pm Even according to FlightAware the map shows it nearly approaching IL
Post by: Hjay on July 26, 2018, 10:17:45 AM
It's a mistake. Scheduled to land about 5:35pm Even according to FlightAware the map shows it nearly approaching IL
Thanks. Couldnt figure it out, but I knew something was off.
Post by: Hjay on July 26, 2018, 10:50:24 AM
It's a mistake. Scheduled to land about 5:35pm Even according to FlightAware the map shows it nearly approaching IL
How can I see exactly when theyre landing? Still looks like theyre in the air.
Post by: ExGingi on July 26, 2018, 10:58:45 AM
How can I see exactly when theyre landing? Still looks like theyre in the air.Only accurate way is FlightRadar24.com
ELAL deliberately feeds false (or non-current) data to various publicly available departure/landing time sources. FlightRadar24 actually shows you where the aircraft is (as long as it's trackable).
Post by: GAM Z. on July 26, 2018, 03:11:58 PM
Only accurate way is FlightRadar24.comIs this for security reasons?
ELAL deliberately feeds false (or non-current) data to various publicly available departure/landing time sources. FlightRadar24 actually shows you where the aircraft is (as long as it's trackable).
Post by: ludmila on July 26, 2018, 03:31:51 PM
[/b]Is this for security reasons?I think it is for security reasons.
Post by: ExGingi on July 26, 2018, 05:19:20 PM
I think it is for security reasons.That is such outdated thinking.
In the age of FlightRadar24.com, why would they even care to do it like that. If someone really wants to know where an aircraft is, it easily doable in today's day and age. This is in line with ELAL's corporate DNA, not looking to change things, just preserve and build on top of what was there (at best).
Post by: yandmk on July 26, 2018, 06:16:23 PM
That is such outdated thinking.I love the way you guys are getting carried away by one assumption built on another.
In the age of FlightRadar24.com, why would they even care to do it like that. If someone really wants to know where an aircraft is, it easily doable in today's day and age. This is in line with ELAL's corporate DNA, not looking to change things, just preserve and build on top of what was there (at best).
I haven't noticed El Al being less accurate than other airlines. But even if it was the case, noone ever said that it's intentionally done. One person decided that he think so, another decided to assume it's probably for security, and you already figured out that it's cause is bad DNA.....
Post by: ExGingi on July 26, 2018, 10:00:15 PM
I love the way you guys are getting carried away by one assumption built on another.Well maybe you never checked ELAL. Do they provide up to date flight arrival information on their website or by phone.
I haven't noticed El Al being less accurate than other airlines. But even if it was the case, noone ever said that it's intentionally done. One person decided that he think so, another decided to assume it's probably for security, and you already figured out that it's cause is bad DNA.....
Post by: yandmk on July 26, 2018, 10:31:51 PM
Well maybe you never checked ELAL. Do they provide up to date flight arrival information on their website or by phone.What do you know about El Al? Haven't you boycotted (BDS?) them many years ago?
Yes, being that I'm a TA, and I've booked hundreds of people on El Al over the years, I've checked the flight status quite a bit more often than your honor.
Secondly, what does their site have to do with anything? It's no secret that it needs to be updated. But this info is available across dozens of flight tracking sites.
Thirdly, they DO have flight status on their site. Click the tab המראות ונחיתות
https://www.elal.com/he/PassengersInfo/Useful-Info/Flight-Schedule/Pages/Flight-Updates.aspx?FlightsUpdates=True
(English page https://www.elal.com/en/PassengersInfo/Useful-Info/Flight-Schedule/Pages/Flight-Updates.aspx?FlightsUpdates=True )
Post by: ExGingi on July 27, 2018, 01:42:51 AM
What do you know about El Al? Haven't you boycotted (BDS?) them many years ago?
Ahem... Checking flight arrivals is usually done by a person that is not on the flight.
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Yes, being that I'm a TA, and I've booked hundreds of people on El Al over the years, I've checked the flight status quite a bit more often than your honor.I stand corrected.
And thereby might be the source of my perception. In the few times when I did attempt to check LY arrival times for family members arriving, I saw huge discrepancies between reported times and what FR24 showed. You probably have many more DPs and might see it as something that doesn't happen all the time.
Though using the links you provided I did the following spot check (which I wouldn't consider egregious, but nonetheless off) should really check something close to landing.
Post by: tavster on July 30, 2018, 11:10:14 AM
Any implications for travel agents or it's just for the airline?
Post by: jose34 on August 01, 2018, 07:39:34 AM
https://thepointsguy.com/news/el-al-1960s-retro-787-dreamliner/
Looks really cool.
Any to find out which routes it will fly?
Post by: Yaalili on August 01, 2018, 10:48:30 AM
El Al Unveils 1960s-Inspired Retro Livery on Its Newest 787
https://thepointsguy.com/news/el-al-1960s-retro-787-dreamliner/
Looks really cool.
Any to find out which routes it will fly?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=75335.msg1963592#msg1963592
Post by: etech0 on August 20, 2018, 08:31:47 PM
Post by: zagguru on August 21, 2018, 04:26:23 AM
Post by: yandmk on August 21, 2018, 04:31:09 AM
If you book PE and they change the aircraft to 747, what seat do you get?El Al rarely changes aircraft (within a few months of the flight). Do you have such a case, or are you asking theoretically?
Post by: zagguru on August 21, 2018, 04:32:36 AM
El Al rarely changes aircraft (within a few months of the flight). Do you have such a case, or are you asking theoretically?
Was asking theoretically. For the JFK route
Post by: a mirrer on August 21, 2018, 08:03:28 AM
If you book PE and they change the aircraft to 747, what seat do you get?in my clients experience economy + some sort of calculation of the fare difference
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 21, 2018, 09:42:18 AM
El Al rarely changes aircraft (within a few months of the flight). Do you have such a case, or are you asking theoretically?Elal changes aircraft more than any other airline
Post by: brodes18 on August 21, 2018, 09:43:06 AM
Elal changes aircraft more than any other airlineNot as much as Avianca
Post by: yandmk on August 21, 2018, 11:54:19 AM
Elal changes aircraft more than any other airlineFalse. Where do you take that from? I take my info from thousands of flights booked (as a TA), and I nice percentage of them on El Al. Again, I'm not referring to changes more than 3-4 months prior to the flight. That's a very different story (with all airlines).
They had issues for a couple of months last year when they were wetleasing from Privilege Style and Hi Fly, but other than that period of time, they were pretty reliable.
Post by: yandmk on August 21, 2018, 11:56:25 AM
Post by: shapsam on August 21, 2018, 12:20:31 PM
As a side note, on the routes I deal with most, I find that the winner for switching aircraft last minute is Ukraine InternationalYep, just yesterday they bumped more than 50 people from KBP-JFK because the 767 has 100 fewer seats than the originally scheduled 777. Someone I know was booked in J but after they left the gate the whole back of his seat broke off so they put him in the FA's jump seat for almost the entire flight!
Post by: yandmk on August 21, 2018, 12:35:27 PM
Yep, just yesterday they bumped more than 50 people from KBP-JFK because the 767 has 100 fewer seats than the originally scheduled 777. Someone I know was booked in J but after they left the gate the whole back of his seat broke off so they put him in the FA's jump seat for almost the entire flight!Heard too many such stories. Had passengers book TLV to KBP in J at a premium price for the 767 or 777, only to be switched to a 737 (regular economy seat) and got no compensation because "they sat in business class"
Post by: shapsam on August 21, 2018, 12:36:43 PM
Heard too many such stories. Had passengers book TLV to KBP in J at a premium price for the 767 or 777, only to be switched to a 737 (regular economy seat) and got no compensation because "they sat in business class"That happened to me 2 weeks ago (although I upgraded with points).
Post by: Vexorg on August 21, 2018, 01:38:44 PM
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 26, 2018, 10:56:19 PM
200 dollars is a lot extra for a second bag compared to 100 dollars on united.
As a side question, el al or united nonstop economy tel aviv to newark.
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2018, 01:22:22 AM
Is there a way to buy matmid points? I have 270 points and need 300 points for an extra bag on the way home. Is it possible to buy the 30 points or use cash and points as you can do for a flight?When you buy an award ticket, if you're missing points you can buy them at $1 a point. Not sure if being able to buy them also applies to suitcases, but I would give them a call
200 dollars is a lot extra for a second bag compared to 100 dollars on united.
As a side question, el al or united nonstop economy tel aviv to newark.
Post by: yandmk on August 27, 2018, 07:56:35 AM
200 dollars is a lot extra for a second bag compared to 100 dollars on united.
As a side question, el al or united nonstop economy tel aviv to newark.
El Al charges $100 for an extra bag purchased at the airport (not $200). If purchased in advance (up to 6 hrs prior to departure), it's only $85
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 27, 2018, 08:46:31 AM
Post by: shapsam on August 27, 2018, 09:12:32 AM
Is the 85 dollars for flights fom north america to tlv, I thought I read it is 200$ for these flightsYes, its $85 if booked before check in.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 27, 2018, 09:23:02 AM
Post by: ExGingi on August 27, 2018, 09:40:13 AM
So would you suggest united or el al at the same price to newark.It might depend on whether you are looking at this as a one off flight, or if you fly regularly.
Post by: Kabrams1618 on August 27, 2018, 09:52:31 AM
Post by: shapsam on August 27, 2018, 10:01:04 AM
Once a year in economy to visit familyUA 772 (afternoon flight from EWR and morning flight from TLV).
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 02, 2018, 04:35:09 AM
Post by: plainbachur on September 02, 2018, 05:38:08 AM
Flying LY Motzaei Yom Kippur TLV-JFK. Have this massive Sefer someone asked me I bring back. If I hold it in my hands and learn from it while checking in, will they make an issue?no
Post by: zagguru on September 02, 2018, 04:45:06 PM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 03, 2018, 06:46:59 AM
Post by: tavster on September 03, 2018, 10:36:08 AM
Anyone know if they give out small bottles of liquor in either cattle or business?Just flew in J. Didn't see any (only large bottles)
Post by: Ploni3 on September 03, 2018, 12:40:43 PM
LY27 looks delayed several hours tonightAnd again tonight... anyone have a real idea of what the issue is?
Post by: zagguru on September 03, 2018, 12:44:05 PM
And again tonight... anyone have a real idea of what the issue is?
Im on LY11 now. Delayed 2 hours.
Airport was a mess. Took about 2 hours to get to gate. Thats with them letting all the JFK passengers skip ahead here and there.
First time flying Elal in almost 6 years. Reminded me why I should avoid them in the future.
Post by: mrprez27 on September 03, 2018, 01:24:59 PM
Im on LY11 now. Delayed 2 hours.
Airport was a mess. Took about 2 hours to get to gate. Thats with them letting all the JFK passengers skip ahead here and there.
First time flying Elal in almost 6 years. Reminded me why I should avoid them in the future.
it took 2 hrs to get through security ?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 03, 2018, 02:53:14 PM
it took 2 hrs to get through security ?
Makes sense. Happened a few months ago with my sister.
I just wish El Al would in general find a way to keep things moving at TLV.
Post by: zagguru on September 03, 2018, 02:58:26 PM
it took 2 hrs to get through security ?
Yes. You should have seen the lines.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 03, 2018, 08:12:41 PM
In these days, El Al's check-in counters are unusually busy.
Our customers who purchase VIP service for these flights
will enjoy from a significant service at security checks, check-in counters and borders control.
We can not commit to VIP service at the El Al check-in counters.
As for the all other airlines, the service will be provided in full as Airport conditions permit.
Best regards
Laufer Aviation GHI
Post by: Hjay on September 04, 2018, 02:08:26 AM
Yes. You should have seen the lines.
Regular airport security or elal security before checkin?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 04, 2018, 06:04:22 AM
Dear Customers,
In these days, El Al's check-in counters are unusually busy.
Our customers who purchase VIP service for these flights
will enjoy from a significant service at security checks, check-in counters and borders control.
We can not commit to VIP service at the El Al check-in counters.
As for the all other airlines, the service will be provided in full as Airport conditions permit.
Best regards
Laufer Aviation GHI
Utter ridiculousness.
Post by: zagguru on September 04, 2018, 07:15:54 AM
Regular airport security or elal security before checkin?
ELAL section of Airport security. All other counters were empty. You will be fine if flying untied or delta
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 04, 2018, 07:19:57 AM
ELAL section of Airport security. All other counters were empty. You will be fine if flying untied or delta
Of course, those airlines have practically and entire section to themselves and its just one flight. Now El Al has tens of flights using that one check in area
Has anyone ever tried heading over to a different section for security?
Post by: zagguru on September 04, 2018, 07:23:07 AM
Of course, those airlines have practically and entire section to themselves and its just one flight. Now El Al has tens of flights using that one check in area
Has anyone ever tried heading over to a different section for security?
How can you head somewhere else? You need to check your bags to ELAL
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 04, 2018, 07:25:59 AM
How can you head somewhere else? You need to check your bags to ELAL
If you have no bags or checked in online. Also, the barcodes the security people put on arent specific to the airline; they just indicate that they interviewed the passenger carrying it.
Post by: zagguru on September 04, 2018, 07:42:11 AM
If you have no bags or checked in online. Also, the barcodes the security people put on arent specific to the airline; they just indicate that they interviewed the passenger carrying it.
Correct, but the bags must still be dropped off at Elal, that is the main line.
If you have no bags you can go right thru, but that likely doesnt apply to most traveling to Israel.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 04, 2018, 08:03:22 AM
Correct, but the bags must still be dropped off at Elal, that is the main line.
If you have no bags you can go right thru, but that likely doesnt apply to most traveling to Israel.
Yeah, youre correct on that. Im dreading the likely situation there Motzaei Yom Kippur.
Post by: Hjay on September 04, 2018, 08:31:49 AM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 04, 2018, 01:56:36 PM
So just to clarify thats the security before checkin. It has been discussed on DDF before. Its beyond insane. Its makes no sense that they havent taken care of it. Its been going for as long as I can remember. Ive learnt my lesson that going early to tlv just means waiting longer on that line. Maybe if we can somehow make some noise about it, something will change though its highly doubtful.
+1000
I consistently wait well over an hour every time I fly LY. On other airlines it means I have time to visit the lounge or browse Duty Free. If you check stats, almost none of the flights depart TLV on time. I wonder why...
Post by: shimino1 on September 04, 2018, 06:47:32 PM
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2018, 07:12:00 PM
This is very specific to LY.Well stated. How does one get the VIP service? Is it a subscription, or a pay per use?
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
Post by: zagguru on September 04, 2018, 07:20:04 PM
This is very specific to LY.
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
Agreed, but the solution isnt everyone paying $140. Its ELAL solving there issues.
Post by: Hjay on September 05, 2018, 12:45:19 AM
This is very specific to LY.
Just do the math: They have night flights to LAX, JFK, EWR, MIA, BOS, PEK, BKK, HKG, many of which are on massive 747's and 777's. All their flights use the same 8-16 check in desks (don't remember exactly) and they tend to have large families that travel with lots of bags, strollers, car seats, etc'
Meanwhile Delta or United have one flight on a smaller plane and they use 3-4 check in desks. The LY line is 40 minutes on a good day and 2:00 hours on a bad one.
If I ever flew LY in economy with my family, I would probably spring for the $140 or so that the VIP service cost.
Wouldn't you pay $140 when the alternative is suffering like crazy with the whole family for two hours? If you are that cheap, take the bus to the airport instead of a taxi or better yet, don't fly ELAL.
Dear Customers,
In these days, El Al's check-in counters are unusually busy.
Our customers who purchase VIP service for these flights
will enjoy from a significant service at security checks, check-in counters and borders control.
We can not commit to VIP service at the El Al check-in counters.
As for the all other airlines, the service will be provided in full as Airport conditions permit.
Best regards
Laufer Aviation GHI
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.
Agreed, but the solution isnt everyone paying $140. Its ELAL solving there issues.
+100
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 05, 2018, 01:14:21 AM
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.
+1
The counters are empty then. I have a friend who has been doing this for years and it never failed him.
Post by: shimino1 on September 05, 2018, 07:20:43 AM
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.This only works if you are on the 1:00 AM flight and show up at around 11:30 PM.
If you are on the 12:00 am flight and show up 10:30 PM you will still be stuck behind hundreds of people and likely miss your flight.
Well stated. How does one get the VIP service? Is it a subscription, or a pay per use?There are a few companies that do it. It is about $120-150 per use for group of up to 4-5 people.
Post by: zagguru on September 05, 2018, 07:35:04 AM
Regardless I have a cheaper alternative show up later.
Delta's prices are usually in line with ELAL and with the addition of the second flight, there is no reason not fly united or delta if paying cash.
Post by: Hjay on September 05, 2018, 07:51:20 AM
Delta's prices are usually in line with ELAL and with the addition of the second flight, there is no reason not fly united or delta if paying cash.
I wish they were. Delta & united have always been more every time I flew the past few years.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 05, 2018, 08:03:07 AM
I wish they were. Delta & united have always been more every time I flew the past few years.
Yes, I have also found that to be the case.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 12, 2018, 05:10:07 PM
Post by: KidOOO on September 12, 2018, 11:14:40 PM
Post by: Hjay on September 12, 2018, 11:16:14 PM
I know someone on my flight flying in business class. Is there any advantage if we check in together?
Yes. Youll have a seperate checkin
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 13, 2018, 02:33:31 AM
Yes. Youll have a seperate checkin
Thanks. Any other perks I should be aware of?
Post by: tavster on September 13, 2018, 02:44:13 AM
Thanks. Any other perks I should be aware of?He can get you into the King David lounge as a guest.
Post by: KidOOO on September 13, 2018, 10:30:58 AM
Post by: yandmk on September 13, 2018, 10:37:07 AM
Any TA who can help? I have a flight JFK-TLV with an infant, there are 2 seats that seem to be for basinett blocked, but elal won't open them saying only at the airport can be done. any way for a TA to help with this?How old is the infant?
Post by: KidOOO on September 13, 2018, 10:41:46 AM
How old is the infant?
7 months
Post by: yandmk on September 13, 2018, 10:48:39 AM
7 monthsTA who booked it should be able to confirm the bassinet as long as it's still available on the flight you need it.
Post by: KidOOO on September 13, 2018, 10:50:10 AM
TA who booked it should be able to confirm the bassinet as long as it's still available on the flight you need it.
I booked with Chase ultimate rewards they have no clue what they are doing
Post by: tavster on September 13, 2018, 10:51:53 AM
TA who booked it should be able to confirm the bassinet as long as it's still available on the flight you need it.That's right.
Plus LY call center should also do it for you. Booked one yesterday for flights in January 2019
Post by: KidOOO on September 13, 2018, 10:58:19 AM
That's right.
Plus LY call center should also do it for you. Booked one yesterday for flights in January 2019
I tried elal they say seats are open but blocked will have to ask at the airport. TA is chase see above
Post by: tavster on September 13, 2018, 11:08:50 AM
Post by: KidOOO on September 13, 2018, 11:12:21 AM
PM me your PNR and I'll talk to them later today.
TY
Post by: KidOOO on September 14, 2018, 05:46:14 PM
What's the current best airline to credit miles from flying on Elal economy?
Anyone ?
JFK-TLV Class V and class N
Post by: Something Fishy on September 16, 2018, 04:35:19 PM
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/el-al-matmid/1930934-changes-coming-hard-product.html#post30210536
Post by: KidOOO on September 16, 2018, 05:42:10 PM
Post by: ExGingi on September 16, 2018, 07:14:54 PM
What airlines can I credit my paid elal flight to? And where can is we the earning rate?Qantas
Post by: thebudgetdeals on October 08, 2018, 03:08:56 PM
Post by: chff on October 08, 2018, 03:11:35 PM
How can enroll in Matmid frequent flyer program without a fee?Ask your TA
Post by: thebudgetdeals on October 08, 2018, 03:13:20 PM
Ask your TAhttp://o.goinspire.com/update-free-enrollment-el-als-matmid-program/
Post by: KidOOO on October 10, 2018, 08:20:58 PM
Qantas
Do you know if I can still claim the Qantas points after the flight ?
Post by: KidOOO on October 14, 2018, 08:59:57 PM
Do you know if I can still claim the Qantas points after the flight ?
Anyone know? Elal is not on the list of airlines you can claim online fro missing miles
Post by: bb1836 on October 15, 2018, 01:05:34 PM
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/el-al/el-al-chairman-all-israeli-airlines-to-stop-flying-from-2019-unless/
Post by: tavster on October 15, 2018, 01:11:53 PM
Is this real? El Al will stop service starting 1/1/2019 unless...??
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/el-al/el-al-chairman-all-israeli-airlines-to-stop-flying-from-2019-unless/
They have been saying that for years. Just israeli politics..
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 15, 2018, 01:22:05 PM
TIA.
Post by: tavster on October 15, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
Anyone know about how long it takes from landing to curb on the flight from Los Angeles? Israeli passport and checked bags.Did it last month. 15mn
TIA.
Post by: Ploni3 on October 15, 2018, 01:29:27 PM
So...best scenario you may be out in less than half an hour but usually closer to an hour or more.
Just my experience.
Post by: tavster on October 15, 2018, 01:36:05 PM
Did it last month. 15mnIt's indeed a best case scenario because I was flying F, so I was first person out of the plane and there was no line at immigration
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 15, 2018, 01:38:19 PM
Post by: yandmk on October 15, 2018, 02:02:58 PM
Assume 5 - 10 minutes from landing to gate. After that, it will depend on (a) how long it takes you to get off the plane (2-5 minutes for 1st/Bus; up to 10/15 minutes for others); how long it takes you to walk to passport control (you could jog it in 3-4 minutes but a leisurely walk is 5-10 minutes; how long the line is at passport (0-60 minutes based on my experience - no way, rhyme or reason to predict IF YOU HAVE ISRAELI PASSPORT, YOU CAN USE THE BIOMETRIC MACHINES, IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE AND CUT THAT TO 2 MINUTES); and waiting for bags. Recently I have found them to be on the belt by 15/20 minutes post landing. Of course, if border control or customs has an issue, they can always hold you up indefinitely.I don't believe double aisle aircraft are ever loaded onto busses. IME, it's always straight into the terminal.
So...best scenario you may be out in less than half an hour but usually closer to an hour or more.
Just my experience.
Post by: yandmk on October 15, 2018, 02:23:51 PM
Post by: damaxer91 on October 15, 2018, 02:40:32 PM
Is this considered a good deal?
nothing special
Post by: lindnuck on October 15, 2018, 03:27:38 PM
Does El Al insist you call for these things, or did I miss something?
Post by: chaim0m on October 15, 2018, 03:40:09 PM
Assume 5 - 10 minutes from landing to gate. After that, it will depend on (a) how long it takes you to get off the plane (2-5 minutes for 1st/Bus; up to 10/15 minutes for others); how long it takes you to walk to passport control (you could jog it in 3-4 minutes but a leisurely walk is 5-10 minutes; how long the line is at passport (0-60 minutes based on my experience - no way, rhyme or reason to predict IF YOU HAVE ISRAELI PASSPORT, YOU CAN USE THE BIOMETRIC MACHINES, IF YOU ARE ELIGIBLE AND CUT THAT TO 2 MINUTES); and waiting for bags. Recently I have found them to be on the belt by 15/20 minutes post landing. Of course, if border control or customs has an issue, they can always hold you up indefinitely.If he has biometric there are a set of four machines very early about 2 minutes before the ramp down to passport control. Use that there is never a line, you get the slip and walk right through takes 30 seconds.
So...best scenario you may be out in less than half an hour but usually closer to an hour or more.
Just my experience.
Post by: shapsam on October 15, 2018, 03:43:40 PM
Just booked a Qantas redemption for El Al in J and the only thing I can seem to do on El Al's website is change my meal preference. No seat changes (or even assignments), nor entering info like my Known Traveler or PP.You have to call.
Does El Al insist you call for these things, or did I miss something?
Post by: lindnuck on October 15, 2018, 03:50:18 PM
You have to call.
Thanks. What a giant waste of time, but I guess they like to make things as annoying as possible. ;)
Post by: yandmk on October 15, 2018, 03:55:08 PM
Thanks. What a giant waste of time, but I guess they like to make things as annoying as possible. ;)It's a bug for bookings via certain agencies. UR bookings is one of them. But many TA bookings can be managed online.
Post by: zow on October 15, 2018, 04:40:11 PM
Post by: chff on October 15, 2018, 05:57:21 PM
Just booked a Qantas redemption for El Al in J and the only thing I can seem to do on El Al's website is change my meal preference. No seat changes (or even assignments), nor entering info like my Known Traveler or PP.
Does El Al insist you call for these things, or did I miss something?
why do you need to add you KTN? LY is not a partner
Post by: lindnuck on October 15, 2018, 06:31:13 PM
why do you need to add you KTN? LY is not a partner
I figured while I was doing it I would offer it, and they said they collect Global Entry info for flights into the US, which this is. So I gave it to them. It now appears on my reservation when I view it on elal.com
Post by: ExGingi on October 16, 2018, 01:46:00 PM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 16, 2018, 04:33:32 PM
Post by: shimino1 on October 16, 2018, 05:08:14 PM
Booked a flight to Europe on El Al. Now I realize theres no checked bag. Will they still weigh my carry-on?Yes if you make the dumb mistake of going up to the check in desk.
Check in online before the flight or use the automatic kiosk at the airport, print out your boarding pass and proceed straight to security
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 16, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
Yes if you make the dumb mistake of going up to the check in desk.
Check in online before the flight or use the automatic kiosk at the airport, print out your boarding pass and proceed straight to security
Thanks! Forgot about that.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 16, 2018, 05:37:33 PM
Yes if you make the dumb mistake of going up to the check in desk.
Check in online before the flight or use the automatic kiosk at the airport, print out your boarding pass and proceed straight to security
Thanks! Forgot about that.
And by security, you mean the metal detectors or the queue before the counters? And I just skip the counters?
Post by: shapsam on October 16, 2018, 05:38:44 PM
And by security, you mean the metal detectors or the queue before the counters? And I just skip the counters?You skip the counters, they ask the security questions before the metal detectors.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 17, 2018, 07:49:54 AM
You skip the counters, they ask the security questions before the metal detectors.
Anyone know how this would work in Zurich? In JFK they ask everything before the check-in counters.
Post by: tavster on October 17, 2018, 07:54:25 AM
Anyone know how this would work in Zurich? In JFK they ask everything before the check-in counters.Works the same way as in JFK..
Unless you're coming thriugh a connecting flight, in which case they would ask you at the gate
Post by: G11600 on October 17, 2018, 08:39:25 AM
Works the same way as in JFK..Are you sure?
Unless you're coming thriugh a connecting flight, in which case they would ask you at the gate
At many LY outstations if you have hand luggage you can pass through regular airport security first then ask at the gate do do LY security questions, even if originating there. I have done this at AMS, MXP, SOF and ATH before, without any problem. It even suggests that on the PDF boarding pass when you check in online.
Post by: elihak7 on October 26, 2018, 09:13:05 AM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 26, 2018, 11:06:24 AM
Are you sure?Can be done at every airport afaik (excluding Munich where Elal has their own hell hole terminal). Generally a lot less of a line by the gate than by the check in counters even in J
At many LY outstations if you have hand luggage you can pass through regular airport security first then ask at the gate do do LY security questions, even if originating there. I have done this at AMS, MXP, SOF and ATH before, without any problem. It even suggests that on the PDF boarding pass when you check in online.
Post by: Ploni3 on October 29, 2018, 01:59:30 PM
Thanks
Post by: mrprez27 on October 29, 2018, 06:21:23 PM
It used to be $500-$700 and now site says $1200 if from Y to J.
Is that accurate? Any tips?
(I know i asked this in another forum - its now shortened)
Post by: tavster on October 30, 2018, 02:06:23 AM
inflight/at gate upgrades from Y to J....?Last time I used this was 7 years ago when the in-flight cost from tlv to JFK was still $700, but I heard that it went up since.
It used to be $500-$700 and now site says $1200 if from Y to J.
Is that accurate? Any tips?
(I know i asked this in another forum - its now shortened)
Even at this price point it's quite difficult to get a seat on the popular evening flights as C is packed and then they need to clear the last minute points upgrades (for those with status and a ticket in an upgradable class)
Post by: zow on November 02, 2018, 01:19:42 PM
ETA:
Pretty sure we will be able to keep an empty seat between us! See current seat map (Yes, I know that not everyone booked has selected seats yet.). Might be lucky enough to get ghetto lie-flat. :)
Post by: shaulyaakov on November 02, 2018, 01:22:09 PM
DW and I are flying BOS-TLV next week and got this offer by email. Lowest offer possible is $250 pp, so they want $500 (minimum) to bid to keep the seat between us empty. Seems like a suckers bet to me.Can't you game it? Seat you in 24A, wife in 24C and one of you bids on the empty seat so if you win, then you both benefit?
Post by: zow on November 02, 2018, 01:31:13 PM
Can't you game it? Seat you in 24A, wife in 24C and one of you bids on the empty seat so if you win, then you both benefit?We are already booked aisle-window. Because we are both on the same PNR, we would both have to bid. I could split the PNR, I guess. Even so, I wouldnt pay $250 for having an empty middle seat. I would just give the aisle to our new friend, and then make sure I take a whole Ambien instead of a half!
Post by: mrprez27 on November 04, 2018, 06:11:30 PM
Last time I used this was 7 years ago when the in-flight cost from tlv to JFK was still $700, but I heard that it went up since.
Even at this price point it's quite difficult to get a seat on the popular evening flights as C is packed and then they need to clear the last minute points upgrades (for those with status and a ticket in an upgradable class)
thnxs
Post by: rcarentals on November 04, 2018, 08:48:24 PM
The source here is beyond reliable - a top Manager at elal..
No Solid date yet - but this is still music to my ears.. strengthening the presence on the west coast..
Post by: rcarentals on November 04, 2018, 08:49:32 PM
Post by: tavster on November 05, 2018, 12:06:59 AM
Post by: jackofall on November 07, 2018, 11:05:33 PM
Post by: chff on November 07, 2018, 11:38:31 PM
Can someone with a Matmid account please check if there any availability on 11/15 ewr-tlv 1:15 pm. And how many points it is. Tyvm.
Code: [Select]
AN15NOVEWRTLV/ALY/CE,X,R
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 8 TH 15NOV 0000
1 LY 028 RL XL EL /EWR B TLV 3 115P 635A+1E0/789 10:20
Post by: jackofall on November 07, 2018, 11:41:12 PM
Thanks so much. I wish I knew how to read this.Code: [Select]AN15NOVEWRTLV/ALY/CE,X,R
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 8 TH 15NOV 0000
1 LY 028 RL XL EL /EWR B TLV 3 115P 635A+1E0/789 10:20
Post by: chff on November 07, 2018, 11:42:41 PM
Thanks so much. I wish I knew how to read this.
I'll make it easy, no Economy, Premium, Business, Business upgrade award space open
Post by: jackofall on November 07, 2018, 11:43:57 PM
I'll make it easy, no Economy, Premium, Business, Business upgrade award space openReally appreciate it. Tyvm
Post by: ExGingi on November 07, 2018, 11:44:49 PM
I'll make it easy, no Economy, Premium, Business, Business upgrade award space open
That could be understood in at least two different ways. :D
Post by: brodes18 on November 29, 2018, 09:58:20 PM
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/el-al-787-struggled-to-lift-off-after-40t-weight-dat-453942/
Post by: chff on December 02, 2018, 08:22:08 PM
https://onemileatatime.com/el-al-takeoff-error/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/el-al-787-struggled-to-lift-off-after-40t-weight-dat-453942/
http://avherald.com/h?article=4c0febbf
Post by: ual902 on December 02, 2018, 11:48:12 PM
Anyone ?(https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/932x195/qf1_492d8fef24bcd2a0a405e19089c5f48d32f16f49.png)
JFK-TLV Class V and class N
https://www.qantas.com/fflyer/dyn/flying/airline-earning#ly
Post by: rcarentals on December 10, 2018, 01:09:27 PM
Am i late to the game or is this breaking news that EL AL is plannig a new TLV-LAS route?
The source here is beyond reliable - a top Manager at elal..
No Solid date yet - but this is still music to my ears.. strengthening the presence on the west coast..
Post by: ExGingi on December 17, 2018, 01:39:58 PM
http://www.col.org.il/files/0.27541324132_51676.pdf
Post by: tavster on December 18, 2018, 02:26:16 AM
Post by: yandmk on December 18, 2018, 03:09:13 AM
LY signs codeshare agreement with LOT. To be implemented beginning Dec. 20, El Al says in press release. (Bloomberg)This was mentioned a while back, though it didn't seem to have been active yet.
Just curious, I totally understand what LOT has to gain with this. But what does El Al really gain with LOT code shares?
Post by: jose34 on December 18, 2018, 08:00:35 AM
How do they decide when code shares come and go?
Post by: tavster on December 18, 2018, 08:01:28 AM
This was mentioned a while back, though it didn't seem to have been active yet.I'm assuming that they are aiming to sell continuation flight out of Warsaw, like Ukraine, Lithuania etc
Just curious, I totally understand what LOT has to gain with this. But what does El Al really gain with LOT code shares?
Post by: Bailbino on December 23, 2018, 10:59:46 AM
Post by: yandmk on December 23, 2018, 12:43:52 PM
I'm assuming that they are aiming to sell continuation flight out of Warsaw, like Ukraine, Lithuania etcI see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El Al
Post by: yandmk on December 23, 2018, 12:46:56 PM
Post by: tavster on December 23, 2018, 01:24:34 PM
I see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El AlInteresting.
Post by: tavster on December 23, 2018, 01:25:07 PM
whats the easiest way to change a revenue flight with Elal?Unless you booked through a travel agent it's best to call ElAl directly
Post by: Bailbino on December 23, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Post by: yandmk on December 23, 2018, 08:09:30 PM
What do they charge to change the flight?Depends on the route. What's the itinerary?
Post by: chayie on December 24, 2018, 09:08:41 AM
The number published online is incorrect.
A friend lost a purse there and is trying to see if they have it.
TIA
Post by: thebudgetdeals on December 24, 2018, 02:27:08 PM
Would anyone know the phone number of the elal desk in Newark airport?973-643-3042
The number published online is incorrect.
A friend lost a purse there and is trying to see if they have it.
TIA
Post by: ad120 on December 25, 2018, 02:11:12 AM
I see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El AlGot to be careful when booking then. I would never fly LY even if its cheaper.
Post by: thaber on December 25, 2018, 03:01:20 AM
I see LOT is selling flights from NYC - TLV with the WAW-TLV segment being operated by El AlWonder if these will be bookable on united.com like current lot flights
Post by: yandmk on December 25, 2018, 03:36:03 AM
Wonder if these will be bookable on united.com like current lot flightsNot sure about revenue, but until today I've never seen LX award space that was codeshared with El Al. (El Al gives award space on LX, though.)
Post by: tavster on December 27, 2018, 02:04:21 AM
Customers will be able to choose between tickets with varying prices and privileges, such as baggage, choosing seats, cancellation
Sales under new format to start on 01/15 for flights from April.
Post by: yochai on December 27, 2018, 08:15:54 AM
(Bloomberg) -- ElAl's board votes to expand new ticket model used for European destinations to Far East and South Africa, according to filing to Tel Aviv Stock Exchange.Heads up, North America!
Customers will be able to choose between tickets with varying prices and privileges, such as baggage, choosing seats, cancellation
Sales under new format to start on 01/15 for flights from April.
Post by: yandmk on December 27, 2018, 08:51:21 AM
Heads up, North America!Let's pray that not.
Post by: mordechain on December 27, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
Post by: tdb on January 07, 2019, 05:16:45 PM
Post by: tavster on January 07, 2019, 06:49:05 PM
i booked a flight using matmid points, how can i upgrade to premium economy?I believe your only option is in-flight upgrade for cash: https://www.elal.com/en/PassengersInfo/Uniqe-Services/Pages/Upgrade-to-Premiun-Classes.aspx
Post by: yandmk on January 07, 2019, 06:50:38 PM
i booked a flight using matmid points, how can i upgrade to premium economy?You can also see if bidding is available for advanced upgrade
Post by: shimino1 on January 08, 2019, 04:53:02 PM
i booked a flight using matmid points, how can i upgrade to premium economy?You sure you don't mean Masmid points?
Post by: chff on January 08, 2019, 05:06:24 PM
You sure you don't mean Masmid points?
Post by: mrprez27 on January 13, 2019, 09:54:55 PM
How late do these flights usually go?
Post by: mordechain on January 13, 2019, 10:36:17 PM
Post by: mrprez27 on January 14, 2019, 08:01:41 PM
They go to greecefree stop over ;)
Post by: User6669 on January 15, 2019, 12:57:00 AM
how risky is yyz to tlv arriving 11:45am Friday?
Read this (https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/captain-el-als-flight-002-lied-tricked-passengers-time-realize-risks-taking-flights/) post on DDMS.
Quote from: https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/captain-el-als-flight-002-lied-tricked-passengers-time-realize-risks-taking-flights/
Religious Jews, except in the case of an emergency, should not fly from North America on a flight that is scheduled to land in Israel on Friday, period.
Post by: shmoe joe on January 17, 2019, 12:38:42 AM
Post by: tavster on January 22, 2019, 09:22:29 AM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on January 22, 2019, 01:02:02 PM
Post by: Cholentfresser on January 22, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
May need to book a Pesach-to-Pesach reservation NYC-TLV. Its not bookable online, but can anyone here recommend a good TA? Thanks!@rcarentals
Post by: shapsam on January 24, 2019, 01:48:03 PM
BOS-TLV $749
MIA-TLV $849
LAX-TLV $899
Depart between 04/03 and 04/08, return on select dates on or before 04/24.
Post by: yandmk on January 24, 2019, 01:52:37 PM
NYC-TLV $799Trying to fill the bein hazmanim flights on their return to Israel...
BOS-TLV $749
MIA-TLV $849
LAX-TLV $899
Depart between 04/03 and 04/08, return on select dates before 04/24.
Post by: tavster on January 27, 2019, 06:19:20 PM
- LY considering adding an extra row of premium Y in the 787
- Likely to retrofit its 777 with zodiac in 1-2-1 configuration.
- Global alliances are starting to talk to LY given the changes in geopolitics
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on January 28, 2019, 04:51:31 PM
Post by: jose34 on January 28, 2019, 05:00:15 PM
Post by: yelped on January 28, 2019, 06:19:14 PM
Post by: yandmk on January 28, 2019, 07:03:57 PM
Why are there two flights a hour an apart from each other into EWR on April 17?
Pesach.Pesach is correct. But it's really for the other way around. They need to bring in the planes to fill in for the demand from NY to TLV.
Post by: yandmk on January 28, 2019, 07:45:55 PM
- Global alliances are starting to talk to LY given the changes in geopoliticsInteresting point. Just wondering where they have the best chance.
-Doubt UA would want them in *A because they are big competitors on TLV flights. And even if UA agrees, I'm assuming TK can block them?
-AA would seem likely (because they've had codeshare agreements for years). But can't imagine that QR and MH won't be a problem.
-DL doesn't seem to have any members that would block. Maybe?
Post by: tavster on January 28, 2019, 08:22:09 PM
Interesting point. Just wondering where they have the best chance.Good question
-Doubt UA would want them in *A because they are big competitors on TLV flights. And even if UA agrees, I'm assuming TK can block them?
-AA would seem likely (because they've had codeshare agreements for years). But can't imagine that QR and MH won't be a problem.
-DL doesn't seem to have any members that would block. Maybe?
- On Oneworld you might get objection from BA and Cathay.
- On Skyteam, I don't see anyone who would object besides perhaps DL and AF.
Post by: Proisrael on January 30, 2019, 12:46:13 AM
Good question
- On Oneworld you might get objection from BA and Cathay.
- On Skyteam, I don't see anyone who would object besides perhaps DL and AF.
I cant see an airline like DL block for one route that they have on one flight a day from the hottest market in the US.
Post by: jose34 on January 30, 2019, 02:54:39 PM
I cant see an airline like DL block for one route that they have on one flight a day from the hottest market in the US.
DL is starting two flight a day soon. ;)
Post by: jose34 on January 31, 2019, 08:00:13 AM
Is this a real flight?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 31, 2019, 08:02:31 AM
Post by: yandmk on January 31, 2019, 08:12:20 AM
What in the world is this?Flew flight 27 from TLV into Newark and is flying back as flight 008 from JFK
Is this a real flight?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on January 31, 2019, 09:01:02 AM
Flew flight 27 from TLV into Newark and is flying back as flight 008 from JFK
Live now.
https://fr24.com/ELY028/1f5a7ee4
Post by: jose34 on January 31, 2019, 09:03:33 AM
Traffic?
Post by: Ekay on January 31, 2019, 02:11:57 PM
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 01, 2019, 06:35:32 AM
Post by: Yehudaa on February 01, 2019, 08:45:41 AM
Deja vu #LY008Ouch. An hour and 13 min to get from plane to Jerusalem before shkiah.....
Post by: mliebs1457 on February 01, 2019, 08:52:14 AM
Ouch. An hour and 13 min to get from plane to Jerusalem before shkiah.....Actually looking worse. Scheduled to land at 440. Crazy
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 01, 2019, 09:01:06 AM
Post by: mliebs1457 on February 01, 2019, 09:02:22 AM
Post by: davidrotts63 on February 01, 2019, 09:03:42 AM
Post by: tavster on February 12, 2019, 06:21:14 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-mulls-tel-aviv-florida-flights-1001269974Today LY told Ynet that it will operate flight to Orlando during the summer, with first flight on July 2nd. Price starting at $999, and will be on both the 787 and 777. I couldn't find how many weekly flights at this stage
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5462161,00.html
Post by: ilherman on February 12, 2019, 10:07:54 AM
@Dan maybe update the post regarding the upcoming changes.
Post by: shapsam on February 12, 2019, 10:10:39 AM
Confirmed. No more elal Z class on points after April 1st. Same goes for the double points in Coach as well as in Premium.What's Z class and double points?
@Dan maybe update the post regarding the upcoming changes.
Post by: tavster on February 12, 2019, 10:25:47 AM
I mean one basically needs to spend $43k/year to be a TP under the new rules.. so you already get my $43k, now you're going after $35 for the once or twice a year a TP flies economy?
Post by: Dan on February 12, 2019, 10:45:20 AM
Today LY told Ynet that it will operate flight to Orlando during the summer, with first flight on July 2nd. Price starting at $999, and will be on both the 787 and 777. I couldn't find how many weekly flights at this stageThanks, please start a new thread for any news next time :)
https://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-5462161,00.html
Post by: tavster on February 12, 2019, 10:56:04 AM
Thanks, please start a new thread for any news next time :)Will do.
Post by: oldguy on February 12, 2019, 02:32:10 PM
Confirmed. No more elal Z class on points after April 1st. Same goes for the double points in Coach as well as in Premium.You mean no more booking with points on Z class even for Platinum Members?
@Dan maybe update the post regarding the upcoming changes.
Post by: elya on February 12, 2019, 07:05:52 PM
You mean no more booking with points on Z class even for Platinum Members?Well it was only ever for Platinum members.. (Or Fly Card holders)
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 05:54:23 AM
Post by: tavster on February 13, 2019, 06:09:09 AM
LY 8 still sitting on tarmac in JFK on account of mechanical issue. They are going to try taking the part from LY 1 before letting passengers disembark.Wow this is rough.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 06:11:35 AM
Wow this is rough.
Got 2 family members onboard but theyre thankfully sleeping. Where can I find updates?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 07:21:57 AM
Got 2 family members onboard but theyre thankfully sleeping. Where can I find updates?
Flight is live. https://fr24.com/ELY008/1f7b825d
When can I expect it to arrive realistically?
Post by: tavster on February 13, 2019, 08:38:20 AM
Flight is live. https://fr24.com/ELY008/1f7b825d
When can I expect it to arrive realistically?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 12:47:07 PM
Thanks. There go any hopes of getting into bed early.
Any chance of comp?
Post by: tavster on February 13, 2019, 12:52:07 PM
I might be wrong here. But I seem to recall that unless the flight is headed / originated from Europe, then you are only entitled to compensation for delays of over 8 hours. So here it looks like it will be 6.5 hours.
Any chance of comp?
Again I might be wrong
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 01:24:55 PM
I might be wrong here. But I seem to recall that unless the flight is headed / originated from Europe, then you are only entitled to compensation for delays of over 8 hours. So here it looks like it will be 6.5 hours.
Again I might be wrong
True, under the delay law. But they violated DoT regulations by not allowing people to disembark.
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 01:58:44 PM
Family members are not happy that their trip was so shortened, nor were they thrilled about sitting so long on the plane.
Am thinking of partial refund. Thoughts?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on February 13, 2019, 05:24:03 PM
What should I push for?
Family members are not happy that their trip was so shortened, nor were they thrilled about sitting so long on the plane.
Am thinking of partial refund. Thoughts?
They handed out $200 vouchers.
Post by: myi on February 19, 2019, 03:13:22 PM
Curios as they have a promo for executive members 1800 matmid points and 349$ in taxes for a RT ticket. Seemed expensive unless they went down in value each matmid point?
https://www.elal.com/en/USA/Deals/Pages/FF/SFO-TLV-0219.aspx
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2019, 10:48:23 PM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY2
Post by: elya on February 28, 2019, 11:01:28 PM
Here we go again. Full of frum people...Hopefully they'll allow people to deplane.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY2
ETA: Looks like it took off around 10 mins ago.
https://www.flightradar24.com/ELY002/1fa7a641
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2019, 11:14:44 PM
Here we go again. Full of frum people...Doesn't justify booking or boarding this flight (except in true emergency after consulting one's LOR), but this flight looks like it will land about 2 hours before sunset.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY2
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2019, 11:17:41 PM
Doesn't justify booking or boarding this flight (except in true emergency after consulting one's LOR), but this flight looks like it will land about 2 hours before sunset.I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.
Sadly, people will never learn.
Post by: joey89 on February 28, 2019, 11:33:13 PM
I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.
Sadly, people will never learn.
Truly astounding that the lesson will never be learned.
Even if you book the flight no one is forcing you to board if it is delayed several hours.
"It will never happen to me" (where else have we seen this attitude recently ::))
Post by: ExGingi on February 28, 2019, 11:34:48 PM
I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...IDK. Presumably they will help people speed things up. Who says they're going to Jlem, could be heading elsewhere. Doesn't make things better. And doesn't justify potentially taking a Jewish cab driver that will drop them off just before sunset and have no choice but to drive on Shabbos after dropping the passengers off.
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LY refused to let anyone off the plane.Unfortunately, I have to side with ELAL on this one. Why should they almost definitely cause additional chilul Shabbos for other passengers just because some passengers did the irresponsible thing and booked themselves on a Thursday evening flight from NY to TLV.
Sadly, people will never learn.
I really think they should have every passenger boarding these flights sign an acknowledgement and waiver.
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2019, 11:37:00 PM
Truly astounding that the lesson will never be learned.What time did this flight board?
Even if you book the flight no one is forcing you to board if it is delayed several hours.
"It will never happen to me" (where else have we seen this attitude recently ::))
Post by: joey89 on February 28, 2019, 11:40:52 PM
What time did this flight board?
No idea, however if the flight left 5 hours late wouldn't that mean that they boarded at least 2 hours late. (working under the assumption that max tarmac delay allowed is 3 hours)
Post by: chinagel on March 01, 2019, 12:17:13 AM
LOL to ELAL worrying about causing additional chilul shabbos.
Unfortunately, I have to side with ELAL on this one. Why should they almost definitely cause additional chilul Shabbos for other passengers just because some passengers did the irresponsible thing and booked themselves on a Thursday evening flight from NY to TLV.
Post by: elya on March 01, 2019, 12:25:47 AM
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.Insane!
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2019, 12:31:03 AM
Insane!
No sir. The insane part is that people that presumably care about Shabbos booked and boarded this flight, and then thought they have a right to request to deplane which would cause extra delays for many people.
Post by: Proisrael on March 01, 2019, 01:23:53 AM
Post by: tavster on March 01, 2019, 02:02:47 AM
Truly astounding that the lesson will never be learned.I flew NYC-TLV on LY on the last 2 Wednesdays and I have to say that the proportion of haredim was significantly larger than usual.
So it's pretty fair to say that things are changing and people are starting to understand that flying on Thursday is not an option
Post by: eliraps on March 01, 2019, 05:00:14 AM
I posted before it departed, but how much time will it take pax to go through customs and take a cab to Jlem...My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...
LY refused to let anyone off the plane.
Sadly, people will never learn.
Post by: eliraps on March 01, 2019, 05:01:43 AM
Post by: tavster on March 01, 2019, 05:51:49 AM
Hope they are still able to make a levaya b4 ShabosBDE
Post by: joey89 on March 01, 2019, 08:38:14 AM
My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...BDE, sorry for your loss
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2019, 08:55:24 AM
My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...BDE.
That's terrible.
And on top of their tragedy, to be stressed by the delayed flight. I just hope that in the past 19 years ELAL learned how to act in a sensitive way to bereaved family on their way to a loved one's funeral.
Post by: eliraps on March 01, 2019, 10:20:46 AM
Why 19 years?
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2019, 10:58:11 AM
Why 19 years?
Because that's when my personal experience is from.
Post by: th0306 on March 01, 2019, 11:14:10 AM
Because that's when my personal experience is from.Link?
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2019, 11:15:02 AM
Link?
Ast @TimT, I've written about on DDF.
Post by: TimT on March 01, 2019, 11:20:56 AM
Ast @TimT, I've written about on DDF.
Flight was landing about an hour before sunset. Levaya was waiting for me, and if we had missed sunset shiva would be extended by another day. I had an exit row seat, but my wife had a seat a few rows away. I asked flight attendant to please allow us off ahead of everyone else, and got such an inconsiderate and rude response, that the non-frum person sitting next to me felt compelled to rebuke the flight attendant for lack of sensitivity.
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2019, 11:33:13 AM
More reliable than a Swiss watch!
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2019, 11:35:41 AM
How do you do that?!?
Post by: ExGingi on March 01, 2019, 11:36:49 AM
How do you do that?!?
You really expect him to post it publicly? Then some Chinese company will steal the technology and put Google and Amazon out of business.
Post by: Dan on March 01, 2019, 11:36:54 AM
My cousin 20 yr old passed away on Thursday morning :(. Before He passed He requested they bury him in EY. He is in the bottom of that plane. His family are all on top...BD"E, awful.
That's the situation where most Rabonim would give a heter to even board late like yesterday.
But most people are taking that flight for convenience sake.
Post by: shapsam on March 01, 2019, 11:40:50 AM
How do you do that?!?Looks like photographic memory to me.
Post by: plainbachur on March 02, 2019, 06:46:09 PM
Post by: tavster on March 13, 2019, 04:25:19 AM
Post by: chff on March 13, 2019, 10:09:37 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-loss-widens-as-competition-intensifies-1001277828
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El Al has enormous potential when the fleet of Boeing 747s is replaced by its fleet of Dreamliner Boeing 767s
Post by: chff on March 15, 2019, 11:41:10 AM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on March 30, 2019, 05:38:44 PM
Thanks.
Post by: Yosel on March 31, 2019, 12:18:24 AM
Am I likely to run into issues at TLV with a checked bag about 2 kg overweight?no
Thanks.
Post by: thaber on March 31, 2019, 10:40:24 AM
As an aside they also don't bother with silliness like making you turn off your phone or straighten the seat back :)
Post by: ludmila on March 31, 2019, 04:59:00 PM
I feel compelled to post this here, just as a counter. I flew LY006 and 005 last week with a large family group in Y. It was my first time flying LY Y in four years, and was an entirely different experience on both flights. The plane was the dream liner, which was comfortable and good even though we were seated in the last 10 rows for both flights. The soft product was spectacular. FA's went out of their way to make us comfortable, brought a large bottle of water and cups to my wife prior to take off just to have, and were overall very pleasant and eager to please.Nice, did fly LY for a while. Did you also fly LY in J earlier and what was your experience?
As an aside they also don't bother with silliness like making you turn off your phone or straighten the seat back :)
Post by: thaber on March 31, 2019, 05:08:47 PM
Nice, did fly LY for a while. Did you also fly LY in J earlier and what was your experience?Last time in J was about 5 years ago, been flying UA due to inability to spend miles on LY. but will be flying J in July thanks to QF, and will report back
Post by: KSMH on April 07, 2019, 02:26:32 PM
Post by: tavster on April 07, 2019, 02:37:50 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-upgrading-planes-appeasing-haredim-1001281173
Saw this this morning but didn't bother posting as the part about the haredim is basically a PR for LY, which is just a bunch a lies IMHO
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 07, 2019, 02:44:04 PM
Post by: tavster on April 07, 2019, 02:45:52 PM
It's against LY.Which part?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on April 07, 2019, 03:58:54 PM
Which part?Accusing them of kissing up to Haredim is made to make them look bad to the general population.
Big fan of the 787 business seat. Really hope they don't screw it up somehow.
Post by: ExGingi on April 07, 2019, 04:13:23 PM
Post by: tavster on April 10, 2019, 12:19:17 PM
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al-passenger-tries-to-jump-out-emergency-door-586415
How come this didn't trigger the 8nflatable slides?
Post by: myi on April 10, 2019, 01:17:12 PM
Randomly came across this:What was he thinking?
https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al-passenger-tries-to-jump-out-emergency-door-586415
How come this didn't trigger the 8nflatable slides?
@YiddishNews: US: Passenger on El Al flight which landed in New York opens the plane's emergency exit and jumps out of the aircra https://t.co/cRFb7DUh5U
Invalid Tweet ID
Post by: yandmk on April 11, 2019, 05:58:24 AM
Post by: Denverite on April 12, 2019, 12:34:31 AM
https://m.facebook.com/749800376/posts/10162423141315377?sfns=mo
Wow, very responsive.
Post by: jose34 on April 12, 2019, 12:40:46 AM
Is there an additional return flight, what is LY doing with this plane?
Post by: chff on April 12, 2019, 10:26:28 AM
https://m.facebook.com/749800376/posts/10162423141315377?sfns=mo
Space pretty blocked out
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AN6JANTLVLAS/ALY
** AMADEUS AVAILABILITY - AN ** LAS LAS VEGAS.USNV 269 MO 06JAN 0000
1 LY 021 C9 I7 DL ZL RL XL W9 /TLV 3 LAS 3 1030A 300P E0/789 14:30
Q5 BL PL Y9 S9 M9 K9 V9 L9 H9 N9 EL
Post by: chff on April 12, 2019, 10:30:08 AM
Cool had to see if its really true, it is.
Is there an additional return flight, what is LY doing with this plane?
I guess time will tell - I would say either they will have it sit there for 3 days and will load a return from LAS or ferry it to LAX/SFO and fly a return from there (& cancel an inbound to LAX/SFO)
Post by: mrprez27 on April 12, 2019, 01:12:36 PM
Post by: mmgfarb on April 12, 2019, 01:56:09 PM
w/o being on J or F - how does one get into King David Lounge?One does not unless one is Gold or higher.
Post by: shapsam on April 12, 2019, 02:31:50 PM
One does not unless one is Gold or higher.Elites can also guest you in.
Post by: mmgfarb on April 12, 2019, 02:37:54 PM
Elites can also guest you in.Also true
Post by: tavster on April 13, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
w/o being on J or F - how does one get into King David Lounge?You would need status.. or being a guest of J/F/status
Post by: tavster on April 14, 2019, 09:54:27 AM
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on May 14, 2019, 10:31:26 AM
TIA.
Post by: ruv on May 15, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
Post by: shapsam on May 15, 2019, 10:55:04 PM
Phone agent tells me they cannot add a QF number to a reservation. HUCA?Try to ask QF for the LY PNR.
Post by: ruv on May 16, 2019, 12:30:36 AM
They are unable to pull up the reservation when I gave them my LY confirmation number.
Post by: chff on May 16, 2019, 07:39:38 AM
Try to ask QF for the LY PNR.
Thank you.QF and LY have the same PNR
They are unable to pull up the reservation when I gave them my LY confirmation number.
Post by: Proisrael on May 17, 2019, 04:04:07 AM
Post by: ar on May 17, 2019, 07:30:46 AM
LY 26.....here we go again...1845 arrival
Shows 3:31 PM for me
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2019, 08:28:25 AM
LY 26.....here we go again...1845 arrivalLanding now. About 4 hours to Shabbos. Not ideal, but I can see many seeing it as acceptable.
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 17, 2019, 03:35:21 PM
Landing now. About 4 hours to Shabbos. Not ideal, but I can see many seeing it as acceptable.
People who find it not ideal shouldn't book this flight.
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on May 19, 2019, 11:37:46 AM
Post by: lubaby on May 19, 2019, 11:50:33 AM
is there an expert mode to see fare class availability like on UA?EF / GDS
Post by: Yoel on May 29, 2019, 03:46:16 PM
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 29, 2019, 04:04:14 PM
i have a flight on elal from yyz (award ticket), im coming from miami, so I need to book a separate flight. does elal partner with westjet or aa that i can combine the tickets and check everything from miami to tlv?In the US, it's jetblue and Alaska soon. But in order to have it checked through, it would need to have a separate reservation. You also might have luck checking through if you book on an OTA for a single confirmation number even if outside those formal codeshare agreements.
Post by: yandmk on May 30, 2019, 09:48:39 AM
i have a flight on elal from yyz (award ticket), im coming from miami, so I need to book a separate flight. does elal partner with westjet or aa that i can combine the tickets and check everything from miami to tlv?Very likely. LY has flights from TLV to NYC via YYZ connecting on WestJet and AA
Post by: zow on June 03, 2019, 01:38:18 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-announces-first-787-8-routes-plane-configuration/
What's the likelihood that El Al will actually be flying the 787 into Boston by January?
Currently, their schedule for BOS shows the 772 through March.
In contrast, for YYZ it does in fact show 787 for 17NOV, as indicated in the post.
Post by: mrprez27 on June 03, 2019, 01:49:31 PM
Post by: davidrotts63 on June 03, 2019, 02:15:32 PM
all qantas for every NY-TLV and back is 787 - is this accurate? r they running now only dreamliners for NY/NJ-TLV route?Not sure what the first question is. But LY certainly is not flying 787s only to NYC.
Post by: mrprez27 on June 03, 2019, 09:41:36 PM
Not sure what the first question is. But LY certainly is not flying 787s only to NYC.
sorry, to rephrase
it seems every single flight on the NY/NJ-TLV route is on the new Dreamliner, aka no more of the old plane. Is that true? At least reflected approx 6 months out on Qantas?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 03, 2019, 09:47:27 PM
sorry, to rephraseAs of today Elal still uses 747s and 777s on NYC-TLV. At some point they switch to all 787s. not sure when.
it seems every single flight on the NY/NJ-TLV route is on the new Dreamliner, aka no more of the old plane. Is that true? At least reflected approx 6 months out on Qantas?
Post by: shmoe joe on June 04, 2019, 12:07:20 PM
Post by: tavster on June 04, 2019, 12:21:37 PM
When flying out of ny/nj which flight has their newest planes? I remember @Dan once posted it on ddms but cant find it.
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/el-al-adds-service-9th-north-american-destination-roundup-95-weekly-nonstop-flights-north-america-tel-aviv/
But why don't you simply check the flights scheduled for your dates?
Post by: yandmk on June 04, 2019, 12:39:35 PM
When flying out of ny/nj which flight has their newest planes? I remember @Dan once posted it on ddms but cant find it.Lately it's charging a lot. And some flights are quite random. I'd suggest looking at the specific flight you want
Post by: shmoe joe on June 04, 2019, 01:01:07 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/el-al-adds-service-9th-north-american-destination-roundup-95-weekly-nonstop-flights-north-america-tel-aviv/date is far out. Does ewr ever fly old 747s?
But why don't you simply check the flights scheduled for your dates?
Post by: yandmk on June 04, 2019, 01:08:51 PM
date is far out. Does ewr ever fly old 747s?Yes. Lately very often.
Generally, from TLV, the 12:05am is a 747 or 777, and 1:00am is a Dreamliner.
Post by: mrprez27 on July 11, 2019, 11:48:54 AM
Post by: chff on July 11, 2019, 12:08:18 PM
Not sure where this belongs but it is definitely a gem...
Belongs here https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=77871.100
Post by: BarryLincoln on July 11, 2019, 12:20:57 PM
Belongs here https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=77871.100Shkoyach... moved...
Post by: chff on July 12, 2019, 07:49:41 PM
Post by: Moishebatchy on July 13, 2019, 03:14:02 PM
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/07/08/israeli-airline-requests-sfpd-help-in-order-to-prevent-terrorist-attack/
Wow, what an antisemitic slant on the story. " El Al demanded", "leaving fewer officers to answer calls..."
Post by: 12HRS on July 13, 2019, 11:36:57 PM
Wow, what an antisemitic slant on the story. " El Al demanded", "leaving fewer officers to answer calls..."
Truth?
Post by: tavster on July 14, 2019, 01:20:48 AM
Truth?"Requested". It's a requirement at all their foreign locations. And definitely agreed with the airport / authorities before opening up. They've been targeted too many times so they can't afford not to have this
Post by: chff on July 14, 2019, 01:41:41 AM
"Requested". It's a requirement at all their foreign locations. And definitely agreed with the airport / authorities before opening up. They've been targeted too many times so they can't afford not to have this
@ MUC Airport
Post by: chff on July 14, 2019, 01:42:17 AM
https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2019/07/08/israeli-airline-requests-sfpd-help-in-order-to-prevent-terrorist-attack/
Off-topic - but every A380 @ LAX has a police escort
Post by: tavster on July 14, 2019, 02:01:01 AM
@ MUC Airport
Same thing @cdg
Post by: Abey on July 17, 2019, 12:51:59 PM
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 17, 2019, 01:38:27 PM
The NYPD, for example, has a big program where private companies can pay for a uniformed off duty police officer. Many shuls pay for this also.
Post by: chff on July 18, 2019, 12:38:46 AM
next gen technology from the high tech empire in the Middle EastWas probably meant to be "Telex", yes the system all airlines use called "GDS" predates the internet. Nothing to do with high tech empire
Post by: helpyouamdme on July 18, 2019, 02:56:39 PM
Post by: tavster on July 18, 2019, 02:59:17 PM
what aircraft is ly25Lately it's been 772. Before that the 747
Post by: helpyouamdme on July 18, 2019, 03:02:05 PM
Post by: helpyouamdme on July 18, 2019, 03:03:31 PM
Lately it's been 772. Before that the 747what is a 772?
Post by: tavster on July 18, 2019, 03:04:25 PM
Does it have a Upgraded J class?No
Post by: helpyouamdme on July 18, 2019, 03:15:26 PM
Post by: tavster on July 18, 2019, 03:20:19 PM
How about ly7That's almost exclusively on the dreamliner, with the updated J, but they do sometimes use the 772, so check schedules
Post by: helpyouamdme on July 18, 2019, 03:41:11 PM
Post by: elya on July 18, 2019, 03:52:53 PM
El Al show's on all routs from tlv to nyc on jan 29 aircraft 787-9. is that the dreamlinerYes.
Post by: yandmk on July 18, 2019, 04:21:22 PM
what is a 772?Boeing 777-200
El Al show's on all routs from tlv to nyc on jan 29 aircraft 787-9. is that the dreamlinerYes
Post by: yandmk on July 18, 2019, 05:26:34 PM
Quote
In one celebrated flight during that airlift, 1008 passengers were squeezed onto El Als 747 cargo plane for a flight out of Addis Ababa. That flight still holds the record for the most passengers ever carried on a single flight.Wow
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on July 18, 2019, 07:30:39 PM
Post by: shaulyaakov on July 19, 2019, 11:53:41 AM
Can we expect more daily flights ex-NYC once the 747 is completely retired?I thought they added to EWR in advance so total seats would stay the same (right now there's exta capacity).
Post by: db23 on August 01, 2019, 05:04:57 PM
Post by: elihak7 on August 01, 2019, 05:14:23 PM
Post by: chff on August 01, 2019, 06:44:53 PM
Is there a way to upgrade with points if i bought tickets with cash?You need to have a upgradable ticket, and upgrade space to use your points
Post by: elihak7 on August 02, 2019, 01:09:11 AM
You need to have a upgradable ticket, and upgrade space to use your pointsHow do i know if its upgrade able?
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2019, 01:20:27 AM
How do i know if its upgrade able?It's upgradable to business if you're fare is Y, S or M.
M and S are also upgradable to Premium.
If you have a high status then additional fares are upgradable
Post by: elihak7 on August 02, 2019, 02:43:44 AM
It's upgradable to business if you're fare is Y, S or M.Sorry for being so naive... where can i see my class fare?
M and S are also upgradable to Premium.
If you have a high status then additional fares are upgradable
Post by: yandmk on August 02, 2019, 05:43:43 AM
Sorry for being so naive... where can i see my class fare?If you didn't pay at least $2k, then your ticket isn't upgradable in any direction. And more than $3k for both directions.
Post by: db23 on August 02, 2019, 11:03:28 AM
Post by: tavster on August 02, 2019, 11:13:29 AM
so having gold status doesn't really do much for you in terms of being able to upgrade with points? it seems like even with gold you would still need to purchase a very expensive ticket in order to be eligible.That's right.
It helps a little bit for last minute upgrades, when they need to upgrade people when J is overbooked, but this only happens on routes with low PL and TP, like day flights to the US or European flights (besides London) - in my experience
Post by: chff on August 07, 2019, 07:59:50 AM
Post by: YankelTodres on August 07, 2019, 11:19:33 PM
What is the best partner airline to accrue miles on when flying El Al? I don't fly often enough to start a collection of Matmid points but I do have a moderate amount of Delta and American points that I'd be fine adding them to.
Post by: KSMH on August 07, 2019, 11:23:17 PM
Apologies if this has been answer multiple times before.Wheretocredit.com
What is the best partner airline to accrue miles on when flying El Al? I don't fly often enough to start a collection of Matmid points but I do have a moderate amount of Delta and American points that I'd be fine adding them to.
Post by: jose34 on August 08, 2019, 09:59:14 AM
Wheretocredit.comMaybe we should give him a real answer. ::)
I don't so much but for starters Elal with credit to Quantes.
Post by: KSMH on August 08, 2019, 10:08:37 AM
Maybe we should give him a real answer. ::)Or maybe to Alaska, depending on the class you are flying and what program you have your efforts invested in!
I don't so much but for starters Elal with credit to Quantes.
That's y the above website works!
Post by: tavster on August 13, 2019, 09:35:22 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-flight-attendant-dies-of-measles-1001297108
Post by: JACKBLUE on August 15, 2019, 09:37:31 AM
Post by: 12HRS on August 15, 2019, 10:06:41 AM
Flying premium economy I can take 2 luggages. Can I take 1 thats overnight?
I dont understand your question
Post by: JACKBLUE on August 15, 2019, 10:32:36 AM
I dont understand your questionSorry. instead of taking 2 suitcases each 50 lbs can i take 1 suitcase of lets say 80 lbs? clear enough?
Post by: grodnoking on August 15, 2019, 10:43:57 AM
Sorry. instead of taking 2 suitcases each 50 lbs can i take 1 suitcase of lets say 80 lbs?
No!
Post by: ExGingi on August 22, 2019, 12:00:23 PM
@Dan if and when you plan to fly LY, make sure they know in advance, they upgrade their service level when they find it important (I would think they would consider your website important enough to provide you with upgraded service).
Post by: tavster on August 22, 2019, 12:06:41 PM
https://www.mako.co.il/news-israel/2019_q3/Article-cd3d6531a25bc61027.htmNo big hidush here. But you're definitely right about @Dan,
@Dan if and when you plan to fly LY, make sure they know in advance, they upgrade their service level when they find it important (I would think they would consider your website important enough to provide you with upgraded service).
remember the VIP treatment they provided to Lucky, with a fancy car and dedicated staff on the ground (and no doubt the staff in J was briefed too)
Post by: ExGingi on August 22, 2019, 12:17:43 PM
No big hidush here. But you're definitely right about @Dan,
remember the VIP treatment they provided to Lucky, with a fancy car and dedicated staff on the ground (and no doubt the staff in J was briefed too)
Well, it seems like in extraordinary cases they add staff and provide special mattresses (though that was pre 787 days).
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2019, 02:50:55 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/el-al-to-launch-direct-flights-to-tokyo-in-march/Sales are live. Launch promo for executive at 1400 points + $200 in Y
Says narita
Post by: Naftuli19 on August 28, 2019, 10:20:20 AM
Post by: yandmk on August 28, 2019, 10:24:50 AM
Im trying to get Bassinets for my kids But ELAL says they dont issue bassinets over 1Y, they told my sister that they dont issue over 9m , are there anyways around it? im flying J booked with Qantas award.9m is correct. But when flying J it doesn't matter. You can choose any seat. Bassinet seats are not blocked
Post by: Naftuli19 on August 28, 2019, 10:31:40 AM
9m is correct. But when flying J it doesn't matter. You can choose any seat. Bassinet seats are not blockedThanks, trying to do that i also see on SG that there is only 1 bassinet seat in J on LY28?
Post by: Naftuli19 on August 28, 2019, 10:49:35 AM
Post by: tavster on August 28, 2019, 02:49:31 PM
They also charged me $20 for seat assignmentThey charged you for seat assignment in J??
Post by: Naftuli19 on August 28, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
Post by: yandmk on August 28, 2019, 05:15:21 PM
Yup!Who's they? El Al phone rep?
Post by: Naftuli19 on August 28, 2019, 05:49:03 PM
Who's they? El Al phone rep?ye
Post by: yandmk on August 29, 2019, 11:11:35 AM
Post by: tavster on August 29, 2019, 11:20:15 AM
https://simpleflying.com/el-al-boeing-777-seating/It's a shame for the Y legroom.
For J they said a while ago that it would be a "copy-paste" of the 789
Post by: brodes18 on August 30, 2019, 05:56:09 AM
It's a shame for the Y legroom.
For J they said a while ago that it would be a "copy-paste" of the 789
The article is unclear about how they will achieve the densification. I'd say its much more likely they will make it 10 across than cut the legroom like that.
Post by: ExGingi on September 12, 2019, 02:56:50 PM
Is this the guy that did the interview with @Dan?
What an art! Saying absolutely nothing in so many words!
Post by: tavster on September 12, 2019, 02:58:29 PM
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3770279That's him
Is this the guy that did the interview with @Dan?
What an art! Saying absolutely nothing in so many words!
Post by: yandmk on September 12, 2019, 04:04:31 PM
https://m.calcalist.co.il/Article.aspx?guid=3770279Happens to be this guy is very intelligent... He's probably the only guy in El Al management that actually cares, and accepts feedback and suggestions from others.
Is this the guy that did the interview with @Dan?
What an art! Saying absolutely nothing in so many words!
Post by: ExGingi on September 12, 2019, 04:15:07 PM
Happens to be this guy is very intelligent... He's probably the only guy in El Al management that actually cares, and accepts feedback and suggestions from others.
What does any of that mean or matter on a practical level? Look at the website? It's horrendous.
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2019, 04:27:25 PM
What does any of that mean or matter on a practical level? Look at the website? It's horrendous.Yup. Went from bad to worse.
Post by: ExGingi on September 12, 2019, 04:51:12 PM
Happens to be this guy is very intelligent... He's probably the only guy in El Al management that actually cares, and accepts feedback and suggestions from others.
I wonder how much this VP for Digital and Innovation gets paid in order to care and accept feedback and suggestions, as well as say nothing in a lot of words.
At least he agrees that ELAL needs a DNA change.
Post by: yandmk on September 12, 2019, 05:29:18 PM
What does any of that mean or matter on a practical level? Look at the website? It's horrendous.
Yup. Went from bad to worse.Sure thing. No denying that. I didn't say that he's a good web designer/programmer. But he cared enough to make a new website. (nobody before cared about the terrible site) Just a shame that the guy who did it did a terrible job. Hopefully, they will fix the issues quickly....
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2019, 05:37:41 PM
Sure thing. No denying that. I didn't say that he's a good web designer/programmer. But he cared enough to make a new website. (nobody before cared about the terrible site) Just a shame that the guy who did it did a terrible job. Hopefully, they will fix the issues quickly....How do you fix a dumpster fire?
The entire philosophy behind the redesign was incorrect.
Post by: yandmk on September 12, 2019, 06:13:10 PM
How do you fix a dumpster fire?No kidding.
The entire philosophy behind the redesign was incorrect.
I was just responding on the way he the depicted the person.
I heard from others in the industry who have met with him (face to face), and were quite impressed with the guy, and what he does.
I also don't think that he's being terribly successful in turning around the company, but he's definitely trying quite hard. (He does have a much harder job than you and I....) And he definitely seems to have more brains than the current CEO...
Post by: Dan on September 12, 2019, 10:54:42 PM
No kidding.The proof is in the pudding, talk is cheap.
I was just responding on the way he the depicted the person.
I heard from others in the industry who have met with him (face to face), and were quite impressed with the guy, and what he does.
I also don't think that he's being terribly successful in turning around the company, but he's definitely trying quite hard. (He does have a much harder job than you and I....) And he definitely seems to have more brains than the current CEO...
Sadly, the website went from bad to worse.
Post by: ExGingi on September 12, 2019, 11:59:55 PM
The proof is in the pudding, talk is cheap.I'm not so sure how cheap it is, hence my question
Sadly, the website went from bad to worse.
I wonder how much this VP for Digital and Innovation gets paid in order to care and accept feedback and suggestions, as well as say nothing in a lot of words.
At least he agrees that ELAL needs a DNA change.
And their terrible website went from bad to worse while they invest in technology to be able to offer passengers that might stay in the same hotel some sort of ride sharing. ::) ::) ::) It's about total customer experience and engagement, not just the flight. ::) ::)
@yandmk did you actually watch/listen to his presentation in the link I posted?
Post by: tavster on September 18, 2019, 10:01:24 AM
After this one the following four deliveries will be 788
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Post by: ExGingi on October 07, 2019, 12:34:35 AM
ELAL announcing improvements of their FF program for Silver level and above (Silver gets 1 point credit per $7 instead of 1 point per $8). Also lowering point requirements to attain/maintain higher tiers.
Post by: tavster on October 07, 2019, 12:40:24 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001303020That's what I flagged on the other El Al forum the other day
ELAL announcing improvements of their FF program for Silver level and above (Silver gets 1 point credit per $7 instead of 1 point per $8). Also lowering point requirements to attain/maintain higher tiers.
Post by: bachhere on October 10, 2019, 12:37:35 PM
JFK-TLV
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2019, 12:39:55 PM
I just got an email saying that my flight has been changed from 787-9 to 787-8.Date?
JFK-TLV
Seems crazy to fly the -8 on their flagship route.
Post by: chff on October 10, 2019, 02:23:18 PM
Date?
Seems crazy to fly the -8 on their flagship route.
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TN08MARNYCTLV/ALY -MN-
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 08MAR20 15MAR20
2 LY 028 4 EWR B TLV 3 215P 635A+1 0 12MAR20 12MAR20 788 10:20
TN01APRNYCTLV/ALY -MN-
** AMADEUS TIMETABLE - TN ** TLV TEL AVIV YAFO.IL 01APR20 08APR20
10 LY 008 3 JFK 4 TLV 3 1150P 520P+1 0 01APR20 01APR20 788 10:30
Post by: bachhere on October 10, 2019, 03:10:58 PM
Date?May 20
Seems crazy to fly the -8 on their flagship route.
11:50 PM flight
Post by: Dan on October 10, 2019, 03:22:43 PM
LY / aircraft t:788 JFK-TLV
March 12
April 1, 22, 29
May 6, 13, 20
June 3, 10, 17, 24
July 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
August 5, 12, 19, 26
September 2, 9, 16, 23, 30
Post by: ExGingi on October 10, 2019, 03:53:14 PM
Anyone know what they're thinking?
LY / aircraft t:788 JFK-TLV
March 12
April 1, 22, 29
May 6, 13, 20
June 3, 10, 17, 24
July 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
August 5, 12, 19, 26
September 2, 9, 16, 23, 30
They're almost all Wednesdays. Might need the 789 for a different route.
Post by: Boruch Parnes on October 10, 2019, 03:57:53 PM
Anyone know what they're thinking?Since when is elal known for thinking
LY / aircraft t:788 JFK-TLV
March 12
April 1, 22, 29
May 6, 13, 20
June 3, 10, 17, 24
July 1, 8, 15, 22, 29
August 5, 12, 19, 26
September 2, 9, 16, 23, 30
Post by: Eli53div on October 27, 2019, 09:41:22 AM
Post by: tavster on October 27, 2019, 09:45:44 AM
Whats elal change/cancel policy on a reward ticket booked through elal?$60 if don't have PL status
Post by: tavster on October 27, 2019, 04:47:04 PM
Looks like some kind of general compensation following a successful class action regarding fees
Post by: ExGingi on October 27, 2019, 05:20:55 PM
Anybody else received this from LY?
Looks like some kind of general compensation following a successful class action regarding fees
As they say, you've got to be in it to win it, that would preclude @Dan and some others from getting such a notice. ;)
Post by: yandmk on October 27, 2019, 06:22:58 PM
Anybody else received this from LY?I did (and quite a few others I know did, too). But I got an error while filling out the form.
Looks like some kind of general compensation following a successful class action regarding fees
Post by: tavster on October 28, 2019, 12:49:38 AM
I got an error while filling out the form.Worked for me. But I cannot picture getting more than 5nis ;D
Post by: ywoosh on October 28, 2019, 01:21:15 PM
Passport has my middle name but ticket has no middle name.
Post by: US on October 28, 2019, 01:59:05 PM
Will it be an issue if I left out my middle name on my El Al ticket?No
Passport has my middle name but ticket has no middle name.
Post by: ywoosh on October 28, 2019, 02:39:23 PM
No
thanks! Did you have an experience like this?
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on October 28, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
thanks! Did you have an experience like this?
Yes.
Post by: US on October 29, 2019, 07:11:07 AM
thanks! Did you have an experience like this?Yes
Post by: Hjay on October 29, 2019, 07:50:30 AM
Post by: tavster on October 29, 2019, 07:51:26 AM
How can I signup for matmid without being charged? Iirc you can signup in the airport but just flew & forgot to do it & online they charge $30.It's free through the app
Post by: Hjay on October 29, 2019, 07:56:54 AM
It's free through the app
Thanks Ill try that. Im signing up for my kid is there a way to have my whole families accts together or something of that sort where I dont need a separate email login etc?
Post by: tavster on October 29, 2019, 08:00:02 AM
Thanks Ill try that. Im signing up for my kid is there a way to have my whole families accts together or something of that sort where I dont need a separate email login etc?I don't think so. It's one account each as far as I know
Post by: Hjay on October 29, 2019, 08:00:46 AM
I don't think so. It's one account each as far as I know
Thank you
Post by: yandmk on October 31, 2019, 12:13:49 PM
?s=20Off to our next adventure. Where would you like us to touch down next?
— EL AL USA (@ELALUSA) October 29, 2019
📸 Ido Wachtel pic.twitter.com/7XjHG6UFSi
Post by: tavster on October 31, 2019, 12:37:59 PM
Post by: tavster on November 06, 2019, 08:03:52 AM
TEL AVIV, Israel and CARLSBAD, Calif., Nov. 6, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- EL AL Israel Airlines, the national air carrier of Israel, and Viasat Inc. (NASDAQ: VSAT), a global communications company, today announced they expanded their successful relationship, adding the Boeing 777 widebody fleet to the mix of EL AL aircraft with Viasat's equipment for high-speed in-flight connectivity (IFC). In addition to the Boeing 777 fleet, Viasat equipment currently powers the connectivity experience across EL AL's Boeing 787 Dreamliner, Boeing 737-900 and part of Boeing 737-800 aircraft. EL AL plans to have all widebody aircraft equipped with Viasat's latest generation IFC solution and all narrow-body fleet equipped with Viasat's in-flight entertainment and connectivity (IFEC) offering. EL AL expects to have the majority of its fleet connected with the Viasat service by the end of 2020.
"EL AL takes great pride in being an innovative airline, and they continue to push the in-flight connectivity boundaries," said Don Buchman, vice president and general manager, Commercial Aviation, Viasat. "EL AL was first to launch Viasat's fast IFC service in Europe and the Middle East; first to deploy high-speed internet on transatlantic flights using the advanced ViaSat-2 satellite; and are now the first airline to bring IFC to the Boeing 777 aircraft for global routes before the launch of our ViaSat-3 satellite constellation. Enabling high-speed, high-quality internet to their full fleet confirms their dedication to bring customers and crew fast, reliable connectivity serviceno matter where they fly."
The Viasat in-flight Wi-Fi service offers an at-home or office experience in the sky, keeping flight crews connected for enhanced passenger service and enabling passengers using smartphones, tablets or laptop computers the ability to browse websites, connect to email and instant messaging, use apps and social networks and to stream music and/or films when in-flight.
Nimrod Borovitz, vice president, Strategy and Business Development at EL AL Israel Airlines Ltd. commented, "We have a vision to serve our passengers and crew members with high-speed, reliable, enriching experiences when flying to and from major global destinations. We've enjoyed a partnership with Viasat, and are excited to have all of our aircraft supported by ViaSat-3as we believe this will help us realize our vision to make our fleet fully connected. Our ongoing in-flight Wi-Fi investments will enable over time the more than 5 million passengers we fly annually to enjoy the internet how it's supposed to be: great, engaging and available."
Today, EL AL offers three in-flight Wi-Fi packagesBasic, Social and Businesswhich can be purchased during the flight through the EL AL Wi-Fi portal via credit card or EL AL Matmid Club points.
Post by: elihak7 on November 11, 2019, 12:58:43 PM
Post by: tavster on November 11, 2019, 01:00:52 PM
Can i expect anything for broken screen?From my experience either matmid points or a voucher. I believe I've received 500 points 2-3 years ago, in J
Post by: tavster on November 14, 2019, 02:02:48 PM
@Dan you should talk to this guy..
Btw I happen to know the cello's owner.. true story
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2019, 02:14:09 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-upmarket-passengers-are-our-bread-and-butter-1001307382The only way to publish something with El Al is to give them the questions in advance or allow them to approve which answers can be published.
@Dan you should talk to this guy..
Btw I happen to know the cello's owner.. true story
I tried the latter twice and 0 answers were allowed to be published.
Post by: tavster on November 14, 2019, 02:18:59 PM
The only way to publish something with El Al is to give them the questions in advance or allow them to approve which answers can be published.Right, forgot about that
I tried the latter twice and 0 answers were allowed to be published.
Post by: Dan on November 14, 2019, 02:34:21 PM
Right, forgot about thatThey think that will control the narrative, but I think it hurts them more.
Post by: tavster on November 26, 2019, 02:32:09 AM
Post by: shapsam on November 27, 2019, 01:59:30 PM
Post by: tavster on November 27, 2019, 02:03:48 PM
What's this whole commotion today with the new flycard?The launch of flycard "next generation".. I attended.
Nothing groundbreaking besides the fact that it's free for GL and up
Post by: shapsam on November 27, 2019, 02:09:04 PM
Post by: tavster on November 27, 2019, 02:10:25 PM
So same benefits and mileage accruals?Didn't know the older card. But seems like it
Post by: tavster on November 27, 2019, 03:14:01 PM
Post by: Moishebatchy on November 28, 2019, 03:22:24 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-upmarket-passengers-are-our-bread-and-butter-1001307382
Well, at least now we know which sh*t-for-brains needs to get canned before we can see some REAL change (for the better) at LY...
Post by: tavster on November 28, 2019, 03:53:03 AM
Well, at least now we know which sh*t-for-brains needs to get canned before we can see some REAL change (for the better) at LY...You sound surprised..
Post by: tavster on December 12, 2019, 10:47:28 AM
Not sure if this is recent or if I never paid attention
Post by: shaulyaakov on December 12, 2019, 11:17:58 AM
I randomly came across the "Followed by El Al USA" on Dansdeals' Twitter...Makes sense. They may as well find out about price mistakes ASAP.
Not sure if this is recent or if I never paid attention
Post by: shapsam on December 12, 2019, 03:22:46 PM
Makes sense. They may as well find out about price mistakes ASAP.Block them :) @Dan
Post by: Mimo on December 12, 2019, 03:27:35 PM
I randomly came across the "Followed by El Al USA" on Dansdeals' Twitter...Airlines are upping their game in catching price mistakes in real time
Not sure if this is recent or if I never paid attention
Post by: hvaces42 on December 15, 2019, 12:57:00 AM
Post by: yuds70 on December 15, 2019, 01:33:10 AM
Booked LY award through Qantas left out middle name. Is that going to be an issue?You never need middle name for tickets
Post by: chff on December 15, 2019, 01:34:35 AM
You never need middle name for tickets
By Elal you can skip the middle name, but by some LCC and Asian carriers it might be an issue
Post by: yuds70 on December 15, 2019, 01:40:49 AM
Not by Elal, but by some LCC and Asian carriers it might me an issueI sell ELAL revenue daily, I have never had an issue. (Revenue different? I don't think so)
Post by: ygift on December 15, 2019, 11:18:16 PM
Does the basic plan allow for video on wattsap?
Post by: tavster on December 16, 2019, 12:04:48 AM
Anyone know what the current charges are for wifi between ewr & tlv?Basic plan is free and is just for WhatsApp.
Does the basic plan allow for video on wattsap?
'Social' covers browsing and videos up to 3mn and cost $15 for the entire flight.
'Business' is $25 and covers everything
Post by: tavster on December 16, 2019, 05:31:09 AM
El Al to allow travelers to change tickets for free for elections day - March 2nd
According to El Al, customers who bought tickets prior to December 12, 2019 (inclusive), can change their tickets without paying a fee until December 25, 2019.
Israelis who are leaving Israel between February 15, 2020 and March 2, 2020, can delay their flights by up to a month.
Israelis whose point of departure is abroad and who would leave Israel between February 27, 2020, and March 2, 2020, can delay their return flight by up to a week.
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 12:29:56 PM
Booked LY award through Qantas left out middle name. Is that going to be an issue?So on top of this Qantas showed the 789 and now its booked on the 772. Dont really have proof because the 789 only showed on the Qantas search page and its now been switched to the 772 even on the search page.
How bad is the 772? Is it really Angle-flat?
Post by: tavster on December 16, 2019, 12:33:15 PM
No WiFi, 2-3-2 layout. Angle flat versus flat...
How bad is the 772? Is it really Angle-flat?
It's really angle flat.. I had no issue with it for years (with whisky and sleeping pills) but once you get used to the 789 it's hard to go back
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 12:39:47 PM
No WiFi, 2-3-2 layout. Angle flat versus flat...Havent been on an angle flat in 10 years. I see this flight number LY 12 is not frequently flown. Any idea if I have a chance in Hell of them switching back to 789? Or a chance to get Qantas or LY to switch me to the EWR flight or the later JFK flight?
It's really angle flat.. I had no issue with it for years (with whisky and sleeping pills) but once you get used to the 789 it's hard to go back
Post by: shaulyaakov on December 16, 2019, 12:45:33 PM
Havent been on an angle flat in 10 years. I see this flight number LY 12 is not frequently flown. Any idea if I have a chance in Hell of them switching back to 789? Or a chance to get Qantas or LY to switch me to the EWR flight or the later JFK flight?Isn't there a general rule that equipment isn't guaranteed?
Post by: Dan on December 16, 2019, 12:46:31 PM
If not, good luck.
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 12:50:34 PM
Isn't there a general rule that equipment isn't guaranteed?Equipment change usually allows you to cancel. Not that I want to cancel.
If there's award space on another flight they should switch you.Not a seat in the house. Texting with Qantas now so will see what they come up with.
If not, good luck.
How do I reserve seats and Regal Meals?
Post by: Dan on December 16, 2019, 01:00:38 PM
Post by: yandmk on December 16, 2019, 01:31:41 PM
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
If the flight is in the near future, it was likely due to damage that just happened this weekend in LAS to one of the Dreamliners. Multiple flights this week were switched to the 777 in addition to changes in schedule.That make s sense. Early Jan and LY12 is not a regular flight.
Post by: yandmk on December 16, 2019, 01:48:16 PM
That make s sense. Early Jan and LY12 is not a regular flight.If LY has X class on the same date as your flight (and not showing on QF), you can "try" calling El Al (Israel), and see if they'd allow you to change with their "same day change" policy. If they send you to QF, explain that QF has limited access.
Post by: yandmk on December 16, 2019, 01:49:39 PM
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 01:57:45 PM
If LY has X class on the same date as your flight (and not showing on QF), you can "try" calling El Al (Israel), and see if they'd allow you to change with their "same day change" policy. If they send you to QF, explain that QF has limited access.X or R?
Post by: yandmk on December 16, 2019, 02:00:04 PM
X or R?X is saver. R is upgrade.
Post by: shaulyaakov on December 16, 2019, 02:14:09 PM
Also, in general, some of my clients specifically prefer the 777 because it's much more spacious. Just not as private, though.How is it more spacious when it's 7 abreast instead of 4? Even with the 777 being wider, that width should only translate to 1 seat, and you're still left with 2 additional per row. Are you talking pitch?
Post by: Dan on December 16, 2019, 02:21:22 PM
The space is tight, but it's private and lie flat
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 02:29:10 PM
X is saver. R is upgrade.How would I find out. I dont have access to Matmid. Should I just call?
Post by: yandmk on December 16, 2019, 02:38:35 PM
How would I find out. I dont have access to Matmid. Should I just call?You can check here
https://www.elal.com/rbddataclients/
You need to search JFK and EWR separately
Post by: hvaces42 on December 16, 2019, 02:49:35 PM
You can check hereThanks nothing available. Dates set so I guess you live and you learn.
https://www.elal.com/rbddataclients/
You need to search JFK and EWR separately
Post by: hvaces42 on December 17, 2019, 02:50:45 PM
WhatsApp El AlSent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
Post by: tavster on December 17, 2019, 02:54:05 PM
Hachi Babayit...I prefer It's not just an airline, it's Israel
Post by: hvaces42 on December 17, 2019, 03:07:11 PM
I prefer It's not just an airline, it's IsraelLove the country...the people...eh...
Post by: shaulyaakov on December 17, 2019, 03:27:07 PM
Sent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.I mean $20 seems worth it to move to a 787 even if the fee is absurd in concept.
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
Post by: yandmk on December 17, 2019, 03:37:51 PM
Sent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.It's been discussed many many times, that the US call center has serious attitude issues. They implemented the $20 fee for touching QF bookings, and I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed for El Al to block award space from QF on the US routes because it was overloading their call center...
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
Interestingly, the Israeli department (isn't attitude officially an Israeli issue?) hasn't ever mentioned anything to anyone about a surcharge for seats/meals on QF bookings.
Can't stress enough, DON'T CALL THE US CALL CENTER UNLESS YOU WANT TO HANG UP IN A BAD MOOD.
Post by: hvaces42 on December 17, 2019, 03:38:52 PM
I mean $20 seems worth it to move to a 787 even if the fee is absurd in concept.Where did you see that I said that they offered to move me to the 787? $20 for seats are not th end of the world. $20 for Regal garbage...not happening.
Post by: Ellen on December 17, 2019, 04:03:51 PM
Post by: ygift on December 17, 2019, 04:16:19 PM
In fact when checking now it seems that the outgoing flight was changed from 777 to the dreamliner & they have me in the same seat as my return flight which was (is) also the 787
Post by: shaulyaakov on December 17, 2019, 04:27:43 PM
I booked elal with the QF deal a few months ago and was able to choose seats. I called the regular us number.Hope the seat exists!
In fact when checking now it seems that the outgoing flight was changed from 777 to the dreamliner & they have me in the same seat as my return flight which was (is) also the 787
Post by: Denverite on December 17, 2019, 04:46:33 PM
Sent them a Whatsapp in english. They required responses in Hebrew in order to continue or they advised to call the Israeli service center for english speaking rep. I responded in my best broken Hebrew and they booked seats and confirmed Mehadrin Meals.
When I called the US hotline the other day requesting to see if they could switch me to a different flight on the 789, the first thing the rep said when she heard I was calling about a QF booking was "Anything you want us to do related to a Qantas booking will cost you. $20 per seat assignment, $20 for meals." I cant wait for the in-flight attitude. I'm already hating them.
Hachi Babayit...
Why not type your message into google translate and then paste the Hebrew version into Whats app to send to them. They accepted my messages in English but I pasted every Hebrew response into Google translate just to make sure that I understood correctly. Even if its not perfect, it should get the job done on Whats app, keep you off the US customer service line and hence your blood pressure down. :P
Post by: ygift on December 17, 2019, 05:25:23 PM
Hope the seat exists!What do you mean? When logging in it shows the reserved seat
Post by: yandmk on December 17, 2019, 08:32:21 PM
I booked elal with the QF deal a few months ago and was able to choose seats. I called the regular us number.That was before the idiot came up with the $20 genius idea....
Post by: hvaces42 on December 17, 2019, 10:09:54 PM
That was before the genius came up with the $20 genius idea....FTFY
Post by: shmoe joe on January 10, 2020, 06:42:27 AM
Post by: tavster on February 13, 2020, 11:43:57 AM
https://simpleflying.com/el-al-london-stansted-airport/
Post by: shapsam on February 17, 2020, 10:20:50 PM
Post by: tavster on February 18, 2020, 05:56:23 AM
https://m.jpost.com/Israel-News/El-Al-CEO-to-staff-Due-to-coronavirus-painful-decisions-may-be-required-617879Saw that. Still not sure what he means by 'painful decisions'
Post by: shaulyaakov on February 18, 2020, 07:29:32 AM
Saw that. Still not sure what he means by 'painful decisions'Usually code for cutting labor costs.
Post by: tavster on February 23, 2020, 07:37:48 AM
Post by: tavster on February 27, 2020, 01:20:20 PM
Usually code for cutting labor costs.https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-preparing-to-cut-1000-jobs-1001320084
Post by: yandmk on April 20, 2020, 10:42:09 AM
Post by: tavster on April 20, 2020, 11:01:59 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-will-need-to-shrink-to-receive-state-aid-1001325887Really wonder how this will unfold
IMHO LY is 'too big to fail' and the government is likely keen on having an airline it can rely on when necessary.. but the unions are aware of this, especially the pilots.
Post by: Yosel on April 20, 2020, 11:20:20 AM
Post by: jose34 on April 20, 2020, 11:47:23 AM
EL AL is Bankrupt. not flying, not ansewring phones, not refunding paid tickets when flights were canceled.
Whoa.... There was statement Elal put out a while ago how they closing down all customer service for now and when they open up late April, Early May they will take care of all refunds etc....
Post by: tavster on April 20, 2020, 11:54:05 AM
EL AL is Bankrupt. not flying, not ansewring phones, not refunding paid tickets when flights were canceled.At the verge of bankruptcy. Big difference ;)
Post by: ygift on April 20, 2020, 12:22:21 PM
Whoa.... There was statement Elal put out a while ago how they closing down all customer service for now and when they open up late April, Early May they will take care of all refunds etc....& your comfortable with that? You trust them?
Post by: tavster on April 20, 2020, 12:39:41 PM
& your comfortable with that? You trust them?What else can you do? Even if they wanted to pay you back they dont have the cash to do so. Hence the current negotiations for get $300-400 millions of loans.
Post by: Yosel on April 20, 2020, 11:27:47 PM
Post by: yochai on April 20, 2020, 11:52:56 PM
Really wonder how this will unfoldLYs claim was always that they continue flying to Israel when no one else does. They just disproved that by leaving United the only scheduled airline flying to IL
IMHO LY is 'too big to fail' and the government is likely keen on having an airline it can rely on when necessary.. but the unions are aware of this, especially the pilots.
Post by: jose34 on April 21, 2020, 04:42:32 AM
We had an April 12 TLV-JFK flight which did not fly. Never received email that flight is canceled, how do I get proof that the flight did not operate?? Need it for my credit card dispute. Thanks
You booked with a travel agent?
Post by: Yosel on April 21, 2020, 09:49:57 AM
You booked with a travel agent?online gotogate.com and I received a email from them on the 13th of April that my flight of a day earlier is still on, when in fact it did not fly
Post by: jose34 on April 21, 2020, 09:53:10 AM
Post by: Yosel on April 21, 2020, 01:34:30 PM
Please anyone
Post by: tavster on April 21, 2020, 01:44:36 PM
How can I proof that El Al flight LY1 12 April was canceled??? Anyone please. Purchased at gotogate.com (horrible experience) did not get any email re: cancellation ThanksContact El Al through this link:
Please anyone
https://app.elal.co.il/ElalServiceContactUs?lang=en&adobe_mc=MCMID%3D36608211617120240111504956210515838614%7CMCORGID%3D86793DE35A329BB80A495E43%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1587490925&_ga=2.255329996.572854297.1587490897-1261816876.1564084784
Explain your situation, and give them your ticket number etc. They will normally be able to send you a confirmation of cancellation. Please revert back to confirm
Post by: jose34 on April 21, 2020, 03:28:37 PM
How can I proof that El Al flight LY1 12 April was canceled??? Anyone please. Purchased at gotogate.com (horrible experience) did not get any email re: cancellation Thanks
Please anyone
You can ask someone write you a letter.
Post by: Yosel on April 21, 2020, 04:54:31 PM
Contact El Al through this link:This is the response i got
https://app.elal.co.il/ElalServiceContactUs?lang=en&adobe_mc=MCMID%3D36608211617120240111504956210515838614%7CMCORGID%3D86793DE35A329BB80A495E43%2540AdobeOrg%7CTS%3D1587490925&_ga=2.255329996.572854297.1587490897-1261816876.1564084784
Explain your situation, and give them your ticket number etc. They will normally be able to send you a confirmation of cancellation. Please revert back to confirm
Dear passenger,
Thank you for contacting El Al customer relations.
CLBS 2020 396607 Your case number is:
Due to the current situation, and the guidelines of various authorities, we are working with limited manpower and experiencing higher than normal volume of correspondence.
We are sorry for the inconvenience and hope to return to regular activities soon.
Sincerely,
Customer Relations
Post by: Yosel on April 21, 2020, 04:55:24 PM
You can ask someone write you a letter."Someone" as in? who?
Post by: tavster on April 26, 2020, 05:53:47 AM
Flight halt extended to May 9th.
Post by: ari3 on April 26, 2020, 11:01:34 PM
Post by: avrohomgelb on April 27, 2020, 11:02:35 AM
Post by: shapsam on April 27, 2020, 12:46:59 PM
Why is there no option to Dispute on the charge?Is this Chase?
Post by: avrohomgelb on April 27, 2020, 12:51:49 PM
Is this Chase?Ye
Post by: shapsam on April 27, 2020, 12:57:18 PM
YeGo to "things you can do," click on "add new dispute" and choose the transaction you wish to dispute.
Post by: avrohomgelb on April 27, 2020, 01:02:05 PM
Go to "things you can do," click on "add new dispute" and choose the transaction you wish to dispute.Tnx
Post by: ual902 on April 28, 2020, 06:33:12 AM
LY3001 from Tel Aviv to Houston:
https://fr24.com/ELY3001/246af17c
Post by: yochai on April 28, 2020, 09:32:05 AM
Intresting LY 3001 TLV IAHhttps://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/roundup-el-al-flights-operating-closed/#comment-1465949
LY3001 from Tel Aviv to Houston:
https://fr24.com/ELY3001/246af17c
Post by: yaakov35 on April 28, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Intresting LY 3001 TLV IAHElal flies numerous flights a week to the US for cargo. No reason to get excited every time you see a departure.
LY3001 from Tel Aviv to Houston:
https://fr24.com/ELY3001/246af17c
Post by: Yehudaa on April 28, 2020, 12:55:20 PM
Not sure if the 'rescue' flight from Toronto was mentioned already..
I don't see the point of the flight from JFK, since UA has daily flights, but I guess they have an empty plane to fill up
https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/roundup-el-al-flights-operating-closed/
Post by: bruce on April 28, 2020, 06:52:57 PM
Any advice?
Post by: shiframeir on April 28, 2020, 11:57:46 PM
Post by: tavster on April 29, 2020, 12:38:22 PM
Post by: jose34 on April 29, 2020, 01:45:33 PM
Elal flies numerous flights a week to the US for cargo. No reason to get excited every time you see a departure.
Post by: tavster on April 29, 2020, 01:54:04 PM
I'm not excited by any single flight.
Just trying to highlight the fact that all 787 and 777 are being utilized almost full time. So them claiming that they are shut down / 95% of employees on unpaid leave / don't have money to reimburse customers, is hutzpa
Post by: bruce on May 01, 2020, 01:14:00 AM
Any advice?
Post by: ilherman on May 01, 2020, 01:35:31 AM
On the topic of getting a refund for a cancelled elal flight. Everyone is suggesting a DOT complaint and a chargeback. I booked my elal flight with chase reserve points. Whenever I call chase to do a chargeback they say that theres no charge to chargeback as it was booked with points and they cant give me back my points until the airline authorizes the refund???idiots. Of course there is a charge. They, Chase, just refunded it on their end. They never voided the approval code etc.
Any advice?
Post by: tavster on May 03, 2020, 05:04:34 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-court-lets-el-al-take-nis-105m-from-employee-fund-1001327129
Post by: bruce on May 03, 2020, 06:26:23 PM
idiots. Of course there is a charge. They, Chase, just refunded it on their end. They never voided the approval code etc.
Im sorry can you explain this? What do you mean by approval code etc
Post by: yochai on May 03, 2020, 07:45:31 PM
Im sorry can you explain this? What do you mean by approval code etcIt means that when you use chase points, chase is paying the airline cash, not points. They can charge back just as one could when using a credit card.
Post by: tavster on May 04, 2020, 04:14:26 PM
Post by: tavster on May 05, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
@Dan you called it a while ago!
They have the hutzpa to pretend that it's due to current travel restrictions that they decided to announce today that they are postponing flights until May 30th...
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2020, 12:30:14 PM
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-extends-halt-on-all-flights-until-may-30-627001Lol, insane they waited this long to announce that.
@Dan you called it a while ago!
They have the hutzpa to pretend that it's due to current travel restrictions that they decided to announce today that they are postponing flights until May 30th...
Post by: tavster on May 05, 2020, 12:35:26 PM
Lol, insane they waited this long to announce that.They also sent me this today. I guess they are getting some of they ducks in a row.
Post by: hr555 on May 05, 2020, 01:23:23 PM
Lol, insane they waited this long to announce that.
Now seems like flights thru 6/27 are not bookable!
Post by: tavster on May 05, 2020, 01:30:31 PM
Now seems like flights thru 6/27 are not bookable!You're right, well spotted!
I've been monitoring this on a daily basis and until yesterday they were still marketing flights starting May 30th
Post by: ual902 on May 06, 2020, 11:16:41 PM
Post by: chff on May 07, 2020, 12:19:44 AM
LY Pilots seem to be very busy during covid19, LY41 from Tel Aviv to Santo Domingo https://fr24.com/ELY041/247553b2They got a contract for 150 cargo flights
Post by: ual902 on May 07, 2020, 12:25:12 AM
They got a contract for 150 cargo flights
Nice
Post by: tavster on May 07, 2020, 10:35:29 AM
Now seems like flights thru 6/27 are not bookable!LY just announced they are extending unpaid leave of its employees until June 30th
Post by: tavster on May 07, 2020, 11:02:31 AM
LY just announced they are extending unpaid leave of its employees until June 30th(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines extends unpaid leave for staff to June 30, according to filing to Tel Aviv Stock Exchange.
Some 6,000 employees are currently on unpaid leave
CEO says in letter to employees that company doesnt expect to begin a substantial number of passenger flights until July
Government and banks have conditioned the granting of credit on the signing of a labor agreement based on a painful efficiency program that has been formulated: CEO
Israels main international airport expects 6 million travelers in 2020, compared with the original forecast of 25 million for the year: CEO
Forecast for 2021 is for about one-third of the normal capacity
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 07:17:22 AM
Post by: ExGingi on May 10, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
Basically all their wide body jets have been configured for Cargo
Just watch 2nd Quarter of 2020 being the most profitable in their history.
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 09:35:23 AM
Just watch 2nd Quarter of 2020 being the most profitable in their history.Big time. Oil prices at lowest plus 90% of workforce on leave, while they basically have all the wide body jets working full time
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2020, 09:42:58 AM
Basically all their wide body jets have been configured for CargoLol, what's a 787-800?
Is that their entire widebody fleet?
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Just watch 2nd Quarter of 2020 being the most profitable in their history.They will have major egg on their face if that happens
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 09:46:43 AM
They have 21 widebody. So 20 out of 21 :)
Is that their entire widebody fleet?
Post by: ExGingi on May 10, 2020, 10:01:48 AM
They will have major egg on their face if that happens
That's what accountants get paid for. They'll find a way to show the right set of numbers that the moment requires.
Big time. Oil prices at lowest plus 90% of workforce on leave, while they basically have all the wide body jets working full time
The one thing that they have going against them making a real profit is that they're likely operating 7 days a week as a cargo airline. ☹️
Post by: chff on May 10, 2020, 10:18:15 AM
Lol, what's a 787-800?
Is that their entire widebody fleet?
Lol... pic.twitter.com/9V0KtYs3qO
— Ben Schlappig (@OneMileataTime) May 1, 2020
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 10:33:23 AM
.I honestly doubt they could care less about this atm
The one thing that they have going against them making a real profit is that they're likely operating 7 days a week as a cargo airline. ☹️
Post by: ExGingi on May 10, 2020, 12:59:57 PM
I honestly doubt they could care less about this atm
Well, sadly, that is probably true. My point was that while using human logic they might be operating in the most profitable way, there's divine logic that says that keeping Shabbos is important, so somehow it might not work out for them.
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2020, 01:11:33 PM
Basically all their wide body jets have been configured for CargoWhere is this ad from?
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2020, 01:13:05 PM
The one thing that they have going against them making a real profit is that they're likely operating 7 days a week as a cargo airline. ☹️Even flying on Shabbos into JFK.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 10, 2020, 01:25:32 PM
Even flying on Shabbos into JFK.No pax on board so chareidim can't complain
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 01:31:41 PM
Where is this ad from?LinkedIn
Post by: Dan on May 10, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 01:35:50 PM
Link?
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/ronen-spira-86a0881a8_el-al-cargo-division-operating-20-passengers-activity-6664394901754568704-xUco
Post by: tavster on May 10, 2020, 02:07:00 PM
May 21st
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 10, 2020, 02:11:17 PM
Post by: chff on May 10, 2020, 03:30:21 PM
Has someone tried to escalate to DoT to demand a refund?Yes, and nothing happens
Post by: tavster on May 13, 2020, 03:42:20 AM
(Bloomberg) El Al CEO Says Government Bailout Terms Will Lead to Dissolution
El Al received new cost-cutting demands from Finance Ministry that are inapplicable, whose purpose is to lead to the teetering Israeli airliners dissolution, CEO Gonen Usishkin writes in a letter to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, asking the Israeli leader to reconsider the terms of the government bailout.
As Prime Minister, you bear the ultimate responsibility that, after seventy-two years, El Al will reach the end of the road under your term, so we ask that a decision not be taken without being given the opportunity to present to you the implications of the new requirements of the Finance Ministry: Usishkin
Dissolution of El Al would damage Israels national security because of the loss of an independent national airline
The possibility of layoffs for 10,000 households directly tied to El Al, and another 30,000 households with indirect ties to the company
A 2.5b shekel loss to GDP
Customers would lose out on over 1b shekels of refunds promised to them for canceled flights
Post by: Baglach on May 17, 2020, 12:07:20 AM
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 12:08:35 AM
Refunds are coming inNice!
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
Post by: yaakov35 on May 17, 2020, 12:11:13 AM
Nice!Def TA's. Was just told by one
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
Post by: joeb1 on May 17, 2020, 12:17:51 AM
Nice!
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
Please I beg you dont post on main site until they are giving refunds to all
Otherwise every person waiting for refunds will drive us mad asking when theirs is coming
I know its tempting but please dont post as many have no received yet
So far one consolidator got some refunded so its still time before all come in
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 12:26:02 AM
Please I beg you dont post on main site until they are giving refunds to allWhy wouldn't I post breaking news? I can add a disclaimer though if that helps.
Otherwise every person waiting for refunds will drive us mad asking when theirs is coming
I know its tempting but please dont post as many have no received yet
So far one consolidator got some refunded so its still time before all come in
Post by: tavster on May 17, 2020, 01:14:41 AM
Def TA's. Was just told by oneInteresting.
I booked direct with LY several tickets and on Thursday I again received the automated answer that they will process refunds when they are back to business
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 01:16:01 AM
Interesting.My guess is the latest DoT guidance moved the timeline up. They can't afford a massive fine.
I booked direct with LY several tickets and on Thursday I again received the automated answer that they will process refunds when they are back to business
A bunch of readers emailed me about refunds showing up today.
Post by: joeb1 on May 17, 2020, 01:17:07 AM
Why wouldn't I post breaking news? I can add a disclaimer though if that helps.
Disclaimer certainly helps
Thank you
Post by: tavster on May 17, 2020, 01:19:07 AM
A bunch of readers emailed me about refunds showing up today.But only on US routes, right?
Post by: tavster on May 17, 2020, 01:48:50 PM
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 02:45:59 PM
Turkey ::)
You beat me to it. I saw the new item this morning and was going to post about it.
Seems like they're scheduling 2 weekly flights to/from Istanbul. (They've been complaining for years about unfair competition in the TLV-IST route, where they weren't flying passengers due to security concerns).
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 02:48:33 PM
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 02:48:57 PM
You beat me to it. I saw the new item this morning and was going to post about it.The current cargo boom isn't going to last forever.
Seems like they're scheduling 2 weekly flights to/from Istanbul. (They've been complaining for years about unfair competition in the TLV-IST route, where they weren't flying passengers due to security concerns).
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
Post by: elya on May 17, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
You beat me to it. I saw the new item this morning and was going to post about it.I'd be surprised if the cargo business model is sustainable for them long term.
Seems like they're scheduling 2 weekly flights to/from Istanbul. (They've been complaining for years about unfair competition in the TLV-IST route, where they weren't flying passengers due to security concerns).
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 02:58:46 PM
The current cargo boom isn't going to last forever.
You are right. But the air cargo business does have its place and has been around for decades.
Maybe ELAL will just find their niche, where they don't have to deal with the flying public and be in the retail service business, and rather serve businesses as a transportation company (which is what they always thought they were).
The ability to secure IST cargo slots is just one example of how they can operate cargo without all the passenger "baggage" (pun intended). They might be much less of a terrorist target as a cargo airline than as a passenger airline at IST. They will also very quickly erase the flag off their tail (and other markings) in order to make it even more palatable.
Here's the news item I saw this morning: https://www.port2port.co.il/article/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%91%D7%9C%D7%94-%D7%90%D7%95%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%AA/%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94/%D7%90%D7%9C-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%AA%D7%A4%D7%A2%D7%99%D7%9C-%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9E%D7%98%D7%A2%D7%9F-%D7%A1%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%9C%D7%98%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%94/
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 03:01:12 PM
hey might be much less of a terrorist target as a cargo airline than as a passenger airline at IST.Why?
Blowing up or hijacking an LY plane would be a big win for any terrorist, even without pax onboard.
The real reason LY left IST is they can't profitably compete on price or product with TK...
Post by: tavster on May 17, 2020, 03:01:19 PM
What happened to not being able to secure IST flights?I watched an interview of a pilot the other day, who was explaining the logistics of the one-off flights etc.
He explained that each flight carries LY security and logistics personnel back and forth. So that would partly help some of the issues of having a full time Israeli team on the ground. But still leaves a lot of other issues open, such as having Turkish government protect the aircrafts etc.
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 03:02:38 PM
https://www.themarker.com/markets/.premium-1.8850705
Post by: theyankel on May 17, 2020, 03:02:43 PM
Nice!purchased direct through LY
Direct purchases? TAs? OTAs?
seems like they are refunding older tickets first which makes sense
they were slow to refund but now everyone should chill a bit longer
nothing going to happen if everyone waits another week for their charge to refund. especially if its points.
Post by: theyankel on May 17, 2020, 03:04:25 PM
In other news, it's reported that ELAL is sitting on major paper losses from hedging contracts (both for jet fuel and for LIBOR rates).you paid to read the article?
https://www.themarker.com/markets/.premium-1.8850705
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 03:05:58 PM
you paid to read the article?
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome
https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-firefox
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 03:06:27 PM
you paid to read the article?
No.
Not sure which of my extensions made it available to me, whether it was paywall bypass or just cookie remover (probably the former, as I didn't actively remove cookies for the site).
Post by: tavster on May 17, 2020, 03:14:23 PM
The real reason LY left IST is they can't profitably compete on price or product with TK...https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-ban-on-israeli-flights-could-bring-down-el-al/
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 03:16:24 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-ban-on-israeli-flights-could-bring-down-el-al/And what changed that they can now fly LY planes there?
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 03:18:33 PM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/turkeys-ban-on-israeli-flights-could-bring-down-el-al/
I guess that article has really aged well. :P
Shkedy, Lieberman...
You have a double whammy here of ELAL and Israeli journalism, none of which has a great reputation for telling the truth.
Post by: tavster on May 17, 2020, 03:19:43 PM
And what changed that they can now fly LY planes there?Excellent question.
I can't picture the Turkish government helping LY in any way, for political reasons.
I'll try and ask around
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 03:21:48 PM
Excellent question.I stand by my theory until I hear otherwise.
I can't picture the Turkish government helping LY in any way, for political reasons.
I'll try and ask around
LY dumped the route as they were getting killed by TK on frequency, price, product, etc. They whined in hope of getting compensated by Israel.
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 03:27:05 PM
I stand by my theory until I hear otherwise.
LY dumped the route as they were getting killed by TK on frequency, price, product, etc. They whined in hope of getting compensated by Israel.
IINM a huge percentage of TK passenger volume ex-TLV was connecting to other destinations. It's not the direct TLV-IST (or other Turkish destinations) traffic that made TK so dominant. Case in point how many destinations other than IST (or SAW) are flown by TK as a direct route ex-TLV?
There might be something to do with security too. After all LY hasn't been flying TLV-CAI or TLV-AMM for many years either.
Post by: Dan on May 17, 2020, 03:28:54 PM
IINM a huge percentage of TK passenger volume ex-TLV was connecting to other destinations. It's not the direct TLV-IST (or other Turkish destinations) traffic that made TK so dominant. Case in point how many destinations other than IST (or SAW) are flown by TK as a direct route ex-TLV?More reasons for LY to bail.
There might be something to do with security too. After all LY hasn't been flying TLV-CAI or TLV-AMM for many years either.
Post by: ExGingi on May 17, 2020, 03:33:40 PM
More reasons for LY to bail.
Right. As I pointed out:
I guess that article has really aged well. :P
Shkedy, Lieberman...
You have a double whammy here of ELAL and Israeli journalism, none of which has a great reputation for telling the truth.
But one can't fully discount the passenger security issue.
When did Israel implement Open Skies policy, under which they agreed to pay 97% of ELAL's security expenses?
Post by: ari3 on May 18, 2020, 12:31:55 AM
Hope they don't decide to fly passengers six days a week and cargo on shabbos
I've seen the future (of ELAL) and it's here. They are turning into a cargo airline, which might not be so bad, as treating retail customers was never their strong point. They never realized that the passenger airline business is first and foremost a service business.
My guess is that they will keep some sort of skeleton passenger operation, or possibly move to a charter model for passenger traffic, but they will definitely focus on freight.
Post by: Baglach on May 18, 2020, 08:37:15 AM
I stand by my theory until I hear otherwise.
LY dumped the route as they were getting killed by TK on frequency, price, product, etc. They whined in hope of getting compensated by Israel.
https://passportnews.co.il/מחכים-לארדואן-אל-על-הגישה-בקשה-להטיס-מט/
In case you cant read Hebrew its pending approval
Post by: tavster on May 18, 2020, 08:49:31 AM
I wouldn't hold my breath
https://passportnews.co.il/מחכים-לארדואן-אל-על-הגישה-בקשה-להטיס-מט/
In case you cant read Hebrew its pending approval
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2020, 10:30:58 AM
I wouldn't hold my breathIf he rejects, would Israel not retaliate against TK?
Post by: tavster on May 18, 2020, 10:32:29 AM
If he rejects, would Israel not retaliate against TK?Thats what LY expected the government to do in 2010 but they never did anything about it
Post by: yandmk on May 18, 2020, 10:37:35 AM
If he rejects, would Israel not retaliate against TK?Based on the open skies policy, allowing Air India to fly over a Saudi airspace, the difficulty in giving them a bailout now, and more, the government doesn't seem overly concerned about LY's well-being....
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2020, 10:41:25 AM
Based on the open skies policy, allowing Air India to fly over a Saudi airspace, the difficulty in giving them a bailout now, and more, the government doesn't seem overly concerned about LY's well-being....Seems very different to me.
Post by: ExGingi on May 18, 2020, 11:32:26 AM
https://passportnews.co.il/מחכים-לארדואן-אל-על-הגישה-בקשה-להטיס-מט/
In case you cant read Hebrew its pending approval
Remember, this is Israeli journalism. It is to be assumed totally fake until proven otherwise.
Post by: tavster on May 18, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
Remember, this is Israeli journalism. It is to be assumed totally fake until proven otherwise.Forget about journalism.. we're trying to figure out how would LY do cargo flights to IST without proper security etc
Post by: ExGingi on May 18, 2020, 04:28:28 PM
Forget about journalism.. we're trying to figure out how would LY do cargo flights to IST without proper security etcWhy are you assuming no proper security?
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001328944
Post by: tavster on May 18, 2020, 04:41:10 PM
Why are you assuming no proper security?LY only operate to places where local government will provide dedicated protection of its fleet and personnel.
You've seen it everywhere. It's a requirement.
I just find it hard to believe that Turkish government will provide the resources to protect an Israeli company. But I may be wrong
Post by: ual902 on May 18, 2020, 05:28:06 PM
LY2002 from San Antonio to Tel Aviv https://fr24.com/ELY2002/2485181a
Post by: elya on May 23, 2020, 10:13:35 PM
Forget about journalism.. we're trying to figure out how would LY do cargo flights to IST without proper security etcFirst Cargo flight to IST Tomorrow!
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2020, 12:22:29 AM
First Cargo flight to IST Tomorrow!Link?
Flight number?
Post by: ExGingi on May 24, 2020, 12:31:17 AM
Link?
Flight number?
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001329742
Based on that I would guess it already happened.
Post by: yaakov35 on May 24, 2020, 12:36:48 AM
Link?Ly 581 was last night and the number for the other schedules ones
Flight number?
Same flight # they used when elal flew 20 years ago
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2020, 12:46:59 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001329742How so?
Based on that I would guess it already happened.
Post by: ExGingi on May 24, 2020, 12:51:27 AM
How so?
Quote
טיסה ראשונה בסדרה של מספר טיסות מתוכננת להמריא בשעות הבוקר המוקדמות של יום ראשון (24.5).
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2020, 12:55:49 AM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY581/history/20200524/0237Z/LLBG
Post by: tavster on May 24, 2020, 12:57:18 AM
No arrival city listed?They are doing it Ethiad's way :)
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY581/history/20200524/0237Z/LLBG
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2020, 12:59:47 AM
They are doing it Ethiad's way :)Did they whitewash?
Still no information on the security agreement?
Post by: yaakov35 on May 24, 2020, 01:04:45 AM
How so?Was 530am, landed 730
Post by: Dan on May 24, 2020, 01:09:34 AM
Post by: chff on May 24, 2020, 02:08:34 AM
After a decade: El Al plane (4X-EDH) landed this morning after a long time in Istanbul 🇹🇷🇮🇱. Türkiye'den tüm arkadaşlara günaydın. @ynetalerts@avischarf pic.twitter.com/hSpmIWhRKy
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) May 24, 2020
Post by: KSMH on May 24, 2020, 02:13:08 AM
After a decade: El Al plane (4X-EDH) landed this morning after a long time in Istanbul 🇹🇷🇮🇱. Türkiye'den tüm arkadaşlara günaydın. @ynetalerts@avischarf pic.twitter.com/hSpmIWhRKy
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) May 24, 2020
דף חדש? pic.twitter.com/jPezMkX6KD
— אינטלי טיימס - בלוג המודיעין (@IntelliTimes) May 24, 2020
Post by: ExGingi on May 24, 2020, 07:21:42 AM
Post by: tavster on May 24, 2020, 07:25:25 AM
https://m.ynet.co.il/Articles/5735812They still don't explain what has changed from a security standpoint
Post by: ExGingi on May 24, 2020, 08:17:29 AM
They still don't explain what has changed from a security standpoint
Cargo vs Passenger. Location and structure of current IST airport vs location and structure of Ataturk airport.
Post by: tavster on May 24, 2020, 08:20:05 AM
Cargo vs Passenger. Location of current IST airport vs location of Ataturk airport.Yeah i get back. But until recently they wouldn't let LY security enter turkey so evidently they changed their mind since there is always security in LY cargo planes.
I guess when it comes to their interest, can't hurt to help LY
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 24, 2020, 08:26:51 AM
Post by: tavster on May 24, 2020, 08:34:51 AM
Considering Turkish flies to TLV, I assume they have de of what they would need on the ground already.It's very different. LY has its own crew protecting the planes, plus local law enforcement protecting the crew and the assets etc
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 04:17:42 AM
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-cargo-flights-grounded-by-aviation-authority-630021
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 09:43:50 AM
I have a booking for a tlv-bru at the end of June.
It's still marked as confirmed and I can see the seat map in expert flyer.
However.. LY is not selling any ticket to BRU until August for obvious reasons. So you won't find my flight on google flight etc
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 10:08:17 AM
Random question - can a flight be 'confirmed' and not be for sale ;DSure. Happens all the time. They aren't interested in the risk of selling seats, but aren't ready to cancel the flight yet.
I have a booking for a tlv-bru at the end of June.
It's still marked as confirmed and I can see the seat map in expert flyer.
However.. LY is not selling any ticket to BRU until August for obvious reasons. So you won't find my flight on google flight etc
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 10:43:45 AM
Sure. Happens all the time. They aren't interested in the risk of selling seats, but aren't ready to cancel the flight yet.Thanks
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2020, 10:44:53 AM
Random question - can a flight be 'confirmed' and not be for sale ;DThe sooner they cancel the sooner they have to refund. They'll cancel last minute.
I have a booking for a tlv-bru at the end of June.
It's still marked as confirmed and I can see the seat map in expert flyer.
However.. LY is not selling any ticket to BRU until August for obvious reasons. So you won't find my flight on google flight etc
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 10:52:38 AM
The sooner they cancel the sooner they have to refund. They'll cancel last minute.Don't think Elal has processed any refunds since February
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 10:53:20 AM
The sooner they cancel the sooner they have to refund. They'll cancel last minute.Fair enough. Especially since they no longer have revenues from Cargo.
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2020, 10:57:22 AM
Don't think Elal has processed any refunds since February-1.
They're processing refunds for DOT complaints.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 10:59:01 AM
Fair enough. Especially since they no longer have revenues from Cargo.I am very skeptical how accurate that report was. In any case, I doubt it will last long. IAA is a government agency, so they can survive without the money. IAA has been pushing highly misleading news repeatedly.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 10:59:28 AM
-1.I stand corrected then.
They're processing refunds for DOT complaints.
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 11:00:50 AM
Don't think Elal has processed any refunds since FebruaryThere have been comments and DDMS saying that TAhave seen refunds.
But based on my experience (they owe me quite a few tickets) but comments on Israeli travelers groups, I don't know anyone first hand who have received any refunds
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2020, 11:02:09 AM
There have been comments and DDMS saying that TAhave seen refunds.US tickets? Have you filed DoT complaints?
But based on my experience (they owe me quite a few tickets) but comments on Israeli travelers groups, I don't know anyone first hand who have received any refunds
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 11:02:54 AM
US tickets? Have you filed DoT complaints?Not US
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2020, 11:26:36 AM
LY cargo flights groundedAny confirmation if this is real or fake news?
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-cargo-flights-grounded-by-aviation-authority-630021
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 02, 2020, 11:29:45 AM
Any confirmation if this is real or fake news?Not on any other Israeli news sites.
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 11:34:01 AM
Not on any other Israeli news sites.https://www.inn.co.il/News/Flash.aspx/742797
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2020, 11:39:29 AM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY5/history/20200602/1551Z/LLBG/KLAX
Post by: yochai on June 02, 2020, 11:41:25 AM
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY381/history/20200602/0455Z/LLBG/LIMChttps://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY45
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY5/history/20200602/1551Z/LLBG/KLAX
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Post by: tavster on June 02, 2020, 11:44:45 AM
Post by: ExGingi on June 02, 2020, 12:21:09 PM
Yup, I'm going to go with fake news.
When it comes from Israel, it's safe to assume fake news for any and all published news items (IINM someone 'round here once said something about them being the originators of fake news before fake news was a thing).
Post by: Yosel on June 02, 2020, 10:57:32 PM
Post by: Elikip on June 03, 2020, 01:07:12 AM
Post by: yaakov35 on June 03, 2020, 01:11:34 AM
https://simpleflying.com/el-al-grounded/?utm_source=popIt's not true
Post by: zagguru on June 03, 2020, 10:02:17 AM
Post by: tavster on June 05, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291653/el-al-202021-network-modification-as-of-04jun20/
El Al Israel Airlines recently filed inventory changes, which sees cancellations on selected routes, when the airline gradually resumes operation later this summer. As of 04JUN20, the airline intends to resume scheduled operation as early as 21JUN20, however this remains subject to change.
As of 04JUN20, following routes are closed for reservation (selected routes are closed permanently, at least into May 2021 at present). Further adjustment remains likely, pending on projected market condition.
Tel Aviv Beijing Capital 3 weekly closed for booking until 24OCT20
Tel Aviv Boston 3 weekly closed for booking until 13MAR21
Tel Aviv Chicago OHare 3 weekly closed for booking until 13MAR21
Tel Aviv Dublin Planned new service (3 weekly from 26MAY20) closed for reservation, including travel on/after 25OCT20
Tel Aviv Dusseldorf Planned new service (3 weekly from 03JUL20) closed for reservation, including travel on/after 25OCT20
Tel Aviv Las Vegas 1 weekly closed for booking. Reservation also closed for travel on/after 25OCT20
Tel Aviv London Luton 11 weekly closed for booking until 05SEP20
Tel Aviv London Stansted 5 weekly closed for booking (Previously scheduled 28JUN20 03SEP20)
Tel Aviv Manchester 3 weekly service closed for booking. Reservation also closed for travel on/after 25OCT20
Tel Aviv Mumbai 2 weekly closed for booking until 24OCT20
Tel Aviv San Francisco 3 weekly closed for booking until 11MAR21
Tel Aviv Sofia 4-5 weekly closed for booking until 08DEC20
Tel Aviv Tokyo Narita 3 weekly closed for booking from 29AUG20 to 08MAR21
Tel Aviv Venice 5 weekly closed for booking until 02SEP20
Other destinations also see selected flights closed for reservation for the remainder of summer season, in particular for the month of July and August 2020.
Following service operated by Sun DOr is also closed for reservation at time this post goes to press:
Tel Aviv Adler/Sochi 2 weekly
Tel Aviv Batumi 6 weekly
Tel Aviv Cluj 2 weekly
Tel Aviv Rhodes 6 weekly
Tel Aviv Salzburg 2 weekly
Post by: tavster on June 07, 2020, 06:23:54 AM
Finance Ministry latest bail out proposal:
$250m loan guarantees, and $150m public issuance with the State of Israel commits to buy the remainder of shares that the public won't want to buy.
In exchange LY and unions must agree on all the streamlining measures previously discussed
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 07, 2020, 07:54:33 AM
For what it's worth, in the latest proposal whatever stock the government buys goes to a trustee to be sold when reaches predetermined value
Post by: tavster on June 07, 2020, 07:56:17 AM
The details are going to change but the mindset is crystal clear, Israel is going to keep Elal flying.Agreed.
As much as I would have enjoyed watching them go bankrupt, I'm happy I won't see my matmid points go to waste ::)
Post by: tavster on June 08, 2020, 11:01:04 AM
Post by: ExGingi on June 08, 2020, 11:17:48 AM
Post by: tavster on June 08, 2020, 11:21:10 AM
Current news stories circulating say that they are close to a deal where the government will provide a bailout, and in exchange will demand streamlining operations and take a (controlling) stake to be held in trust and sold once it can be sold for a profit.Isn't that what was discussed above?
The controlling stake is just in case the public doesn't want to take part of the equity issuance (which is likely).
Question is which is the worst - LY current poor management or government control?
Post by: mgarfin on June 08, 2020, 11:26:20 AM
Current news stories circulating say that they are close to a deal where the government will provide a bailout, and in exchange will demand streamlining operations and take a (controlling) stake to be held in trust and sold once it can be sold for a profit.
It seems to include laying off 2000 workers. With ELAL's union history, this is going to be fun
Post by: Dan on June 08, 2020, 11:28:16 AM
Post by: tavster on June 08, 2020, 11:32:19 AM
Wake me up when an agreement is reached.Lol
Post by: yandmk on June 08, 2020, 11:42:02 AM
Today, I booked a family of 7 RT from TLV to the US (this week for about 2 months). While LY was about $200 less per person, the client decided on United, because he didn't want to risk not having a return flight and having to fight for a partial refund, based on El Al's recent track record....
So El Al, you just lost a potential $6,600 today, while United earned $8,000 instead. Keep up the great work!
Post by: Baglach on June 08, 2020, 11:44:55 AM
Elal extended unemployment for 5800 employees through July 31
Post by: tavster on June 08, 2020, 11:48:55 AM
https://passportnews.co.il/עדיין-לא-חוזרת-אל-על-מאריכה-את-החלת-לעו/
Elal extended unemployment for 5800 employees through July 31
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-extends-unpaid-leave-of-thousands-of-workers-until-july-31-630748
Post by: tavster on June 16, 2020, 07:20:05 AM
Post by: tavster on June 16, 2020, 11:58:04 AM
'El Al is not hopeful after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu announced earlier today that he will only open Israel's borders between Greece and Cyprus on August 1, if the rate of Covid-19 infections does not climb.'
Post by: tavster on June 18, 2020, 10:15:59 AM
Wake me up when an agreement is reached.Not yet ;)
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-rejects-nationalization-with-counter-proposal-1001332870
Post by: yandmk on June 18, 2020, 10:27:13 AM
Not yet ;)All boils down to this:
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-rejects-nationalization-with-counter-proposal-1001332870
1) The government wants to nationalize the airline
2) El Al is trying as hard as they can to avoid that.
(My feeling is that the government will eventually win...)
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 18, 2020, 12:13:26 PM
The standing Israeli gov't offer is for Elal to sell shares to the public with the government guaranteeing to buy them if nobody else does. If the government does buy them, the shares will be placed in a trust to be automatically sold whenever someone is interested in buying them.
Israel has a public interest in preserving Elal's operations, but little interest in preserving their shareholder equity. Western governments led by the US have been handing out money to shareholders only because the controlling elites weren't motivated to find a middle ground between that & full government ownership.
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 18, 2020, 02:22:30 PM
The Israeli government has zero interest in control of Elal. The ruling Likud party & particularly Netanyahu are pretty much the only anti-socialist leadership Israel ever had, and they divested government holdings across the economy.
Now we just need the govt to denationalize the electric company and we can be matir Chashmal on shabbos
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 18, 2020, 05:19:25 PM
Now we just need the govt to denationalize the electric company and we can be matir Chashmal on shabbosHow would denationalizing it make it better for shabbos? You think a private licensee will be more shabbos observant?
Israel's denationalization wave was durning Netanyahus first tenure 1996-1999. Netanyahu completely flopped in the following elections so he gave up on fighting the system. We've seen minor liberalizations (open skies with EU, breaking the cellular service cartels, and a few lowering of duties & import restrictions) but nothing sweeping.
Post by: Mikes@Micro on June 18, 2020, 06:44:17 PM
How would denationalizing it make it better for shabbos? You think a private licensee will be more shabbos observant?
Israel's denationalization wave was durning Netanyahus first tenure 1996-1999. Netanyahu completely flopped in the following elections so he gave up on fighting the system. We've seen minor liberalizations (open skies with EU, breaking the cellular service cartels, and a few lowering of duties & import restrictions) but nothing sweeping.
The problems with the electricity are complicated.
It boils down to the fact that jews are producing electricity on shabbos actively which you benefit from instantly. Israel uses coal for much of their electricity (like it's the 1800s although they claim they use 1/3 coal and the rest is nuclear natural gas and solar wind bc if one supply gets cut off in case of war they dont want to be stuck therefore have constant multiple supply from multiple sources)
Since they use coal and there is little automation you have jewish workers shoveling coal into the fire with tractors.
If it was taken private then Arab workers could he hired to shovel the coal or it could be automated to the extent that it's only a Grama. (As of now govt/ Unions prevent this claiming it's a highly skilled job 🤨)
Also they would allow Rabbonim to go in and check out what's really happening as they have been caught lying in the past about what melachos are done on shabbos.
Disclaimer- not the greatest explanation of the shabbos issues. Again they are complicated.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 18, 2020, 08:31:13 PM
The problems with the electricity are complicated.Valid points. Hopefully the next generation of Likud leaders like Amir Ohana will have the guts to take on the formidable IEC union.
It boils down to the fact that jews are producing electricity on shabbos actively which you benefit from instantly. Israel uses coal for much of their electricity (like it's the 1800s although they claim they use 1/3 coal and the rest is nuclear natural gas and solar wind bc if one supply gets cut off in case of war they dont want to be stuck therefore have constant multiple supply from multiple sources)
Since they use coal and there is little automation you have jewish workers shoveling coal into the fire with tractors.
If it was taken private then Arab workers could he hired to shovel the coal or it could be automated to the extent that it's only a Grama. (As of now govt/ Unions prevent this claiming it's a highly skilled job 🤨)
Also they would allow Rabbonim to go in and check out what's really happening as they have been caught lying in the past about what melachos are done on shabbos.
Disclaimer- not the greatest explanation of the shabbos issues. Again they are complicated.
Post by: tavster on June 18, 2020, 11:59:10 PM
'How Tami Mozes Borovitz brought El Al down before the coronavirus'
(Haaretz) -- Officially, Tamar Mozes Borovitz is a vice chairperson of El Al, but those who know the airline from the inside say she plays a major role in managing the company, more often than not behind the scenes and that hasnt always been for the good of the company. Insiders say Israels flagship carrier was ailing even before the coronavirus pandemic brought it to its knees, and assign much of the blame to her.
Shes a warm and motherly woman, a businesswoman who doesnt hesitate to show her emotions, says a veteran El Al employee, who like others cited in this story declined to be identified. But that said, because of a series of erroneous decisions she was partner to, shes responsible for whats now happening to the company.
Some former and current employees claim that, among other things, she failed to ensure good labor relations, approved huge salaries for senior executives and pilots, managed routes poorly and made undue concessions to ultra-Orthodox passengers. Those close to her reject the criticism. They note that Mozes Borovitzs job is unpaid and she doesnt have a company car, although she is entitled to one. They say she takes a personal interest in employees, particularly when they are ill.
The pandemic has hit El Al hard. About 5,800 of its 6,500 employees have been placed on unpaid leave and nearly all flights have been canceled, leaving the airline owning some 1 billion shekels ($288 million) to people who had bought tickets before the global crisis set in. After weeks of wrangling over an aid package, the government unveiled a plan last week for $250 million in loan guarantees. It requires El Al to make a $150 million rights offering, which is how Mozes Borovitz may lose control of the airline. If she and El Als other shareholders dont buy into the offering, the state will purchase the stock, becoming the controlling shareholder.
People who spoke to her this week say Mozes Borovitz doesnt believe the government will take control in the end. Its far from a done deal, said one. On Thursday, El Als board rejected the governments proposal and put forth its own.
Problems pile up
Mozes Borovitz, 60, is a kind of Israeli princess. The fourth daughter of Noah Mozes, the late publisher of the Yedioth Ahronoth daily, she is the younger sister of Judy Shalom Nir-Mozes and Yedioths current publisher, Arnon (Noni) Mozes. From an early age she hobnobbed with Israels business and political elite and worked at the newspaper.
Still, her life was filled with tragedy. Her older brother Gilad died at the age of 9, hit by a bus. Her father died in the same manner, hit by a bus in front of the Yedioth Ahronoth building in 1985.
She was only 23 when she married businessman Oded (Dedi) Borovitz, who was 40 and divorced, with three children. She continued working at Yedioth, running the groups local weeklies. That changed when her mother, Paula, died in 1994, setting off an inheritance battle. Arnon entrenched his control and Mozes Borovitz sold her shares for a reported $60 million.
Mozes Borovitz teamed up with her familys archrival Ofer Nimrodi to start the magazine Rating. She sold her stake in 2005 but retains other media holdings that include producing telenovelas with Yair Dori of Dori Media and digital advertising. Her husband and brother-in-law acquired other businesses, most notably the Granite Hacarmel holding group, Arkia Airlines and the Clubmarket supermarket chain. They later sold Granite and Arkia, while Clubmarket collapsed. They were left with El Al, which they bought after it was privatized in 2004.
For years she was her father Noahs daddys girl he was a dominant figure for her, says a capital markets executive who is very familiar with the inside workings of the company. She married her husband when she was very young, and in a sense she was in his shadow. Six years ago, when Dedi developed a medical problem, it was the first time that she looked to her right, her left, up and there was no one.
That was during El Als hardest years, when the blows began to rain down: Open Skies, the reform that opened air travel to more competition; the big pilots strike and, worst of all, the coronavirus crisis. She had been involved in management, but hadnt had to make such tough decisions on her own, he says.
A friend defends Mozes Borovitzs record, noting that El AL isnt a one-woman show. El Al has a board with serious people. Shes involved in strategic issues, by dint of being a vice chairman. ... Shes not involved in executive appointments, except CEO, as part of the headhunting team that works with the recommendations of a placement company, the friend says.
But the bottom line is that when the pandemic struck, El Al wasnt strong enough to cope. Mozes Borovitz couldnt change the corporate culture. Pilots and flight crews landing in New York still stay at an expensive Manhattan hotel, even though the airport is in Queens. Passengers with personal ties to management or with whom management wants to curry favor are upgraded to business class when boarding. Employees families receive discounts. The company has an upgrade system, says one employee.
An associate of Mozes Borovitz says she isnt involved in such matters. It doesnt work that way at El Al, he says. If there are upgrades, it happens automatically, the computer decides based on points and previous purchases. Theres nothing personal about it.
Slow to change
Even as the 2013 Open Skies reform slashed El Als share of Ben-Gurion International Airport passenger traffic from half to only 25%, the airline didnt undertake sweeping changes to cut costs or become more competitive.
El Al is the only major airline in the world that doesnt fly one day a week (Shabbat), in order not to offend observant Jewsh passengers. But it began flying long-haul routes where it has no competitive advantage, such as Tel Aviv-San Francisco, launched in 2018. El Al ended its flights to Sao Paulo, which were not profitable, after about two years. Late last year El Al announced plans for flights to Melbourne and Sydney, but the pandemic postponed them.
To Mozes Borovitzs credit El Al has upgraded its fleet, buying 16 Boeing 787 Dreamliners last year. The airlines fleet of 45 planes is in a far better state now than when the Borovitz family bought it. Another accomplishment is El Als Fly Card credit card, although its fairly marginal to its core business.
Tami is a disappointment in business terms, says another capital markets source who is knowledgeable about El Al. She didnt really deal with the collective bargaining agreements, didnt try to streamline the company, which earned profits only because fuel prices were low. Although she began a necessary program to buy new planes, the company reached a low level of shareholder equity because over the years no one addressed its basic problems.
Says another source: The problem with Tami is that shes always torn between the micro and the macro. Shell put her all into purchasing planes for a billion shekels and at the same time personally handle requests from people who want some favor. The impression you get is of micromanaging, with a lot of emotion, without order, poor decision-making and poor marketing. In general, the company lacks a long-term strategic vision.
Many sources pointed to El Als inflated salaries as a fundamental problem. For example, from 2005-12, its first seven years as a privatized company, El Al paid a total of 125 million shekels (around $36 million) to its five highest-paid executives. In late 2012, the Shaldor consulting company estimated the excess benefits of El Al pilots, compared to pilots at foreign airlines, at $35 million to $40 million a year.
A legacy of its being a state-owned company, there are first- and second-generation employees and permanent and temporary workers and melange of benefits.
The labor unions are powerful, especially that of the pilots, and any one of them can shut down the entire operation by calling a strike or slowdown. It creates a balance of terror vis--vis the management, says a former El Al executive. The Borovitz family, and later Mozes Borovitz herself, were never able to solve that, even when they gave management their full support.
One company executive blames Mozes Borovitz. In the company its known that [her] decision-making, especially when it comes to management and appointments, is problematic. The bottom line is that she was unable to bring in a manager to put things in order. What did happen is that salaries increased tremendously. Its hard to get employee buy-in on change when everyone is talking about the high wages, he says.
Over the years, when they did reach understandings with the workers, they preferred to reach a compromise that would blow up five years later. The workers committee, for example, opposes individual contracts, so every five years flight attendants are fired and rehired. Pilots salaries remain high. On the one hand, its impossible to introduce business norms when executives are paid so much and on the other hand, to maintain the DNA of a government corporation. Theres a need for a dramatic measure and a willingness to take risks, but for Mozes Borovitz personally its probably too late.
Many El Al executives have a personal connection to Mozes Borovitz. Chief Financial Officer Dganit Palti is the wife of Nadav Palti, Mozes Borovitzs partner in Dori Media and considered one of the people closest to her. Nadav Palti is also a director of Knafaim, El Als parent company. Nimrod Borovitz, Odeds son and Tamis stepson, is VP for strategy. Noa Borovitz, Oded and Tamis daughter, was appointed in January as an unpaid director of El Al subsidiary Cockpit. Dalit Mozes, the wife of Arnon Mozes, is employed in a relatively minor position as a manager in the Frequent Flyer Club.
Conflicts of interest
Another problematic issue is the involvement of former director Pini Ginsburg. Ginsburg owns the Hillel Tours travel agency and represents Thai Airways in Israel. (The airline doesnt fly the Tel Aviv-Bangkok route, but has code sharing agreements with El Al). Ginsburg is alleged to have been part of a cartel managing Holocaust memorial trips to Poland for high school students.
A year and a half ago Ginsburg resigned from the board after another criminal investigation, this time on suspicion of using insider information. As a director he used to walk around the companys headquarters, talking with employees and executives. Many executives disapproved, but sources say Mozes Borovitz allowed Ginsburg to continue even though as a director he wasnt necessarily permitted.
Many worry about a potential conflict of interest between Ginsburgs travel agency and his being a major El Al shareholder. He who used to organize annual flights for Haredim to Uman, Ukraine, in which El Al was a contractor. Ginsburg also helps Mozes Borovitz in negotiations with pilots. He has stayed in touch even after leaving the board and was been seen several times visiting the offices of her privately controlled companies in Tel Aviv.
Ginsburg declined to discuss those meetings with TheMarker and denied any conflict of interest. The issue has been examined a hundred times theres no conflict of interest between me and El Al. Im an active director and I understand the industry, and I can talk to employees. I spoke to many people in El Al when I was a director and they all say that the complaints on this matter are nonsense.
One of the major crises that Mozes Borovitz was forced to deal with was the battle with the pilots, which escalated in 2017-18 when a slowdown led to flights being canceled. In other instances the pilots simply spent more time in the air, so that flights would take off or arrive late.
Management exposed their behavior. They waged a battle [against the pilots] and the board supported them, says one former executive. As part of managements fight, pilots salaries and other embarrassing details were disclosed to the media, creating a media circus that one source blamed on Borovitz Mozes.
El Al has symbolic value the Star of David and the Israeli pilot. Half of that was tossed in the trash during the crisis. The media got recordings and salary slips that portrayed the pilots as thieves. The conflict could have been handled differently, without damaging the image of the airlines most important employees. Its not that there arent problems with the pilots, but they certainly cant be solved that way. Even after the 2018 agreement, not all the problems were solved, said the source.
A close friend of Mozes Borovitz rejects the claims. There was no such thing, she says regarding leaks to the media. El Al employees are devoted, and El Al pilots are the best in the world. A significant percentage of employees dont earn high salaries.
Noni didnt help her over the years, but her family name definitely helped, because enemies or regulators didnt know precisely what their relationship was, says a journalist familiar with the story. In fact, Noni apparently didnt do anything for her. In any case, since Case 2000 [allegations that Netanyahu tried to strike a deal that would have provided him with positive coverage in the newspaper] the ability of Yedioth Ahronoth to serve as a lever over regulation has declined, I assume that it hurt her, too.
Mozes Borovitz did not reply to TheMarkers queries regarding her relationship with her brother Arnon.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on June 19, 2020, 07:43:36 AM
Post by: tavster on June 24, 2020, 12:40:08 PM
Israel has a public interest in preserving Elal's operations, but little interest in preserving their shareholder equity..Pilots have now aligned this view.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-pilots-back-treasury-nationalization-plan-1001333596
Post by: tavster on June 24, 2020, 03:07:19 PM
Post by: yandmk on June 24, 2020, 05:40:55 PM
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/regev-pushes-forward-plan-for-jewish-businessman-to-buy-el-al-632694I guess @Dan is considering taking them over, once and for all? ;)
Post by: tavster on June 25, 2020, 11:03:36 AM
El Al, Flight Attendants Sign Efficiency Agreement
(Bloomberg) --Pact will save the financially-strapped Israeli airline 30 million shekels a year, according to a joint statement from the Histadrut Labor Federation and El Al management.
Agreement includes a reduction in the number of positions for temporary and permanent flight attendants and in-flight managers
Conditions for flight attendants, such as hotels and meals while on duty abroad, will be downgraded
From Globes:
In order to obtain any kind of aid from the Ministry of Finance, the airline must present signed collective agreements with its workforce, which is divided between four workers committees.
The cabin staff are the first group to sign an agreement. It calls for the layoff of hundreds of people and cuts in employment conditions. El Al's cabin staff currently number about 1,400.
Post by: tavster on June 28, 2020, 02:08:35 AM
Google translate:
The company is offering ticket buyers who agree not to demand a cash refund to receive a negotiable voucher, which means it can be sold for up to 120% of the ticket value when purchasing airline tickets, seating arrangements, valid for two years.
As the title of the article suggests: El Al invites its customers to bet on its survival: Buy junk bonds at 20% yield
Post by: yeshivabucher on June 29, 2020, 11:44:34 AM
Post by: Baglach on July 12, 2020, 02:47:03 AM
Post by: tavster on July 12, 2020, 03:28:47 AM
https://www.mako.co.il/news-money/2020_q3/Article-d7be4b8bb814371027.htm
Repost :)
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=117870.msg2292355#msg2292355
Post by: tavster on July 13, 2020, 10:57:52 AM
Airport
A man is alone in an airport lounge.
A beautiful woman walks in and sits down at the table next to him.
He decides because she's wearing a uniform, she's probably an off-duty flight attendant.
So he decides to have a go at picking her up by identifying the airline she flies for, thereby impressing her greatly.
He leans across to her and says the British Airways motto : 'To Fly. To Serve'?
The woman looks at him blankly.
He sits back and thinks up another line.
He leans forward again and delivers the Air France motto: 'Winning the hearts of the world'?
Again she just stares at him with a slightly puzzled look on her face.
Undeterred, he tries again, this time saying the Malaysian Airlines motto: 'Going beyond expectations'?
The woman looks at him sternly and says:
'What the f#&k do you want ?'
'Aha!' he says, "EL-AL"
Post by: jose34 on July 13, 2020, 11:41:24 AM
Came across this joke today... Predictable, I admitWhats the reason to bash ELAL?
Airport
A man is alone in an airport lounge.
A beautiful woman walks in and sits down at the table next to him.
He decides because she's wearing a uniform, she's probably an off-duty flight attendant.
So he decides to have a go at picking her up by identifying the airline she flies for, thereby impressing her greatly.
..........
There already down and out....
Post by: tavster on July 13, 2020, 11:42:20 AM
There already down and out....Out?
I'll believe it when I'll see it
Post by: jose34 on July 13, 2020, 12:20:41 PM
Personally I am not such a fan of Elal myself but I hate it when people start bashing Elal....
No מצוה too bash an Israeli company/airline (for whatever this comment is worth) who does protect Jews and does have respect and for the elderly.
Post by: tavster on July 13, 2020, 12:27:33 PM
of course not, I just mean for now...People bash it for a reason.
Personally I am not such a fan of Elal myself but I hate it when people start bashing Elal....
No מצוה too bash an Israeli company/airline (for whatever this comment is worth) who does protect Jews and does have respect and for the elderly.
Personally, it's safe to say I'm likely one of the DDFers which spends the most $ on LY flights.
Still the airlines has many flaws, and crew's poor attitude is one of them, hence the joke
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2020, 09:16:59 AM
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiK2h0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnRoZW1hcmtlci5jb20vbWFya2V0cy8xLjg5OTU5MzbSAS9odHRwczovL3d3dy50aGVtYXJrZXIuY29tL2FtcC9tYXJrZXRzLzEuODk5NTkzNg?hl=he&gl=IL&ceid=IL%3Ahe
Post by: tavster on July 15, 2020, 10:16:07 AM
Pilot committee seems to be refusing to agree to the proposed cuts. The Histadrut (largest labor union in Israel) of which the pilots are members is threatening to agree on behalf of the pilots over their objections. Pilots might decide to switch to a different labor union.Pilots have too much power. They are not afraid of seeing LY fail because they feel they could negotiate the same benefits with the new owners etc.
https://news.google.com/articles/CBMiK2h0dHBzOi8vd3d3LnRoZW1hcmtlci5jb20vbWFya2V0cy8xLjg5OTU5MzbSAS9odHRwczovL3d3dy50aGVtYXJrZXIuY29tL2FtcC9tYXJrZXRzLzEuODk5NTkzNg?hl=he&gl=IL&ceid=IL%3Ahe
Not sure how this can be solved if LY will only hire ex-military pilots
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2020, 10:30:09 AM
Pilots have too much power. They are not afraid of seeing LY fail because they feel they could negotiate the same benefits with the new owners etc.Why would you think that new owners will keep to such a policy?
Not sure how this can be solved if LY will only hire ex-military pilots
Post by: tavster on July 15, 2020, 10:34:13 AM
Why would you think that new owners will keep to such a policy?It's a good question.
I always viewed this as an integral part of the company's security policy
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2020, 10:40:34 AM
It's a good question.
I always viewed this as an integral part of the company's security policy
What does it have to do with security? It definitely shows skills, but other than avoiding suicidal pilots, really has nothing to do with security.
Post by: tavster on July 15, 2020, 10:41:55 AM
other than avoiding suicidal pilotsI was thinking about this.
Plus the fact that their background has been checked etc.
Post by: ExGingi on July 15, 2020, 11:19:29 AM
I was thinking about this.
Plus the fact that their background has been checked etc.
What percentage of commercial pilots in the world have turned out to be suicidal?
How many airlines had such problems?
Post by: tavster on July 15, 2020, 12:11:18 PM
What percentage of commercial pilots in the world have turned out to be suicidal?you can't compare Israel to most other countries. Israel is a clear target.
How many airlines had such problems?
But yes, I'm sure shin beth can find a way to do a proper background check on anyone who would apply
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 17, 2020, 04:44:32 PM
LY will only hire ex-military pilotsI don't think that policy is in place anymore.
Post by: tavster on July 18, 2020, 01:39:59 PM
I don't think that policy is in place anymore.Last week the head of the histadrut told pilots that if they disregard the last agreement which was sign on their behalf, then the union will recommend that LY hires pilots from abroad..
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 19, 2020, 01:11:02 AM
Last week the head of the histadrut told pilots that if they disregard the last agreement which was sign on their behalf, then the union will recommend that LY hires pilots from abroad..The policy still requires Israeli citizenship but not military background.
https://www.elal.com/he/about-ELAL/About-ELAL/ELALJobs/AllJobs/Pages/Pilots.aspx
Post by: tavster on July 19, 2020, 01:15:12 AM
The policy still requires Israeli citizenship but not military background.Understood.
Then back to square one? I doubt there is an excess supply of Israeli pilots willing to go against the current consensus, but I could be wrong
Post by: PlatinumGuy on July 19, 2020, 01:25:44 AM
Understood.There probably is a fair amount of Israeli pilots who can be hired. The Elal jobs are extremely lucrative and in short supply
Then back to square one? I doubt there is an excess supply of Israeli pilots willing to go against the current consensus, but I could be wrong
Post by: tavster on July 20, 2020, 07:56:49 AM
$75 million for 45% of the shares, not pending on receiving government's grants.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-eli-rozenberg-submits-official-bid-for-el-al-1001336524
Post by: yelped on July 20, 2020, 11:48:51 AM
Rosenberg makes official bid to buy LY.https://hamodia.com/2020/07/20/el-als-potential-buyer-offers-75m-45-company/
$75 million for 45% of the shares, not pending on receiving government's grants.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-eli-rozenberg-submits-official-bid-for-el-al-1001336524
Quote
What makes an almost anonymous businessman in Israel interested in buying a company that is in a huge crisis, almost completely shut down, with a debt of nearly two billion dollars for aircraft it has purchased and with aggressive workers committees? And all this at a time when the global aviation industry is in the worst crisis in its history due to the eruption of the coronavirus, a crisis that is forcing many governments to support local airlines.
The answer to that, a source close to Rozenberg said, is that Naftalis Rav told him that he must purchase El Al. In everything his Rav told him to invest to date, he succeeded. So he decided to go for it.
Post by: tavster on July 20, 2020, 12:22:22 PM
https://hamodia.com/2020/07/20/el-als-potential-buyer-offers-75m-45-company/Almost on day one, the Israeli press was very quick a pointing to Rozenberg's Rav
Post by: tavster on July 22, 2020, 05:56:57 AM
El Al has a week to set a date for share offering that must be completed by Aug. 30 as part of a government-backed rescue plan, Finance Ministry Director General Keren Terner-Eyal writes in a letter to the carrier.
Government will only guarantee a $250 million loan to El Al after the offering is completed
El Al can withdraw $10 million from a compensation fund, government will give it $5 million as an advance on airline security payments in August
Government recommends Finance Minister Israel Katz extend security spending and give carrier additional payments worth up to $10 million
NOTE: Share offering will be worth $150 million under aid program, government guarantees it will buy shares that public doesnt purchase
Post by: JuryDuty on July 22, 2020, 10:23:59 PM
Thank you for contacting El Al via U.S. Department of Transportation.
We are sorry to learn of the inconvenience that you and your family were caused due to the changes that were made to the operation of our El Al flights as a result of the Coronavirus crisis.
It is important to update you that due to the recent events related to the coronavirus, our offices are still temporary closed, and the work is made on an emergency basis only.
Despite the above, we have forwarded your refund request to our accounts team. We will update you when refund processing of your tickets in EL AL booking code ****** is made.
We do ask for patience and understanding during these challenging times.
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Post by: avrohomgelb on July 22, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
Thank you for contacting El Al via U.S. Department of Transportation.
We are sorry to learn of the inconvenience that you were caused due to the changes that were made to the operation of our El Al flights due to the Coronavirus crisis.
It is important to update you that due to the recent events related to the coronavirus, our offices are still temporary closed, and the work is made on an emergency basis only.
We understand from our accounts team that the charge for the light ticket in EL AL booking *** was disputed through the credit card company. El Al will accept the dispute for your tickets soon.
Our renewed apologies for any inconvenience caused.
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Post by: JuryDuty on July 27, 2020, 08:53:12 AM
We would like to update you, your tickets in booking ****** were refunded to the credit card used. It is possible that the actual refund may be posted may be posted afterwards.
We thank you for your patience.
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Post by: tavster on July 27, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
Dear Mr. ******That was though DOT?
We would like to update you, your tickets in booking ****** were refunded to the credit card used. It is possible that the actual refund may be posted may be posted afterwards.
We thank you for your patience.
Sincerely,
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Post by: JuryDuty on July 27, 2020, 08:54:31 AM
Dear Mr. *******
Thank you for contacting El Al via U.S. Department of Transportation.
We are sorry to learn of the inconvenience that you and your family were caused due to the changes that were made to the operation of our El Al flights as a result of the Coronavirus crisis.
It is important to update you that due to the recent events related to the coronavirus, our offices are still temporary closed, and the work is made on an emergency basis only.
Despite the above, we have forwarded your refund request to our accounts team. We will update you when refund processing of your tickets in EL AL booking code ****** is made.
We do ask for patience and understanding during these challenging times.
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Post by: yochai on July 27, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Post by: tavster on July 28, 2020, 05:12:04 PM
Good summary in Haaretz today
El Al owners fight to retain control (Haaretz) -- Just six weeks ago it looked as if the treasury was ready to put an end to the El Al Airlines farce. Just before he stepped down as the ministrys director general, Shai Babad presented a revised rescue plan for the ailing airline. Its main feature was the governments commitment to buy whatever portion of a $150 million share offering the public wouldnt buy.
Given El Als desperate financial situation and its shrinking market capitalization, that promise would leave the State of Israel holding as much as 61 per cent of the carriers stock, thereby nationalizing it after 16 years in private hands.
The chances that Tami Mozes Borovitz would be able to retain control of El Al were slim, especially given her poor record running the airline before the coronavirus brought it to its knees. When Eli Rozenberg, the scion of a New York nursing home fortune, emerged as a potential buyer that chance disappeared entirely. Rozenberg offered to pay $75 million in exchange for being allocated 44.99 per cent of El Al stock. Mozes Borovitz would be diluted to just 26 per cent from 28 per cent today.
But now it increasingly looks as if she will retain control of El Al after all. The airline will get the $250 million government-guaranteed loan on offer (the other component of the treasury rescue plan) long before she moves forward with the share offering that dilutes her stake. She wont have to put a penny of her own capital into the airline.
Meanwhile, the Histadrut labor federation is giving her a helping hand by forcing El Als pilots to agree to wage reductions that will save the airline between $110 million and $140 million annually, depending on who you ask.
In the midst of a severe liquidity crisis, El Al has been pressuring the Finance Ministry to let it take the $250 million loan already in the next few days. It notes that under recently passed legislation it needs the cash to pay ticket holders whose flights were cancelled due to the coronavirus.
If the treasury consents, it will mark a complete reversal of what its new director general, Keren Terner-Eyal said just last week in a letter to the airlines board, namely that the state will provide the guarantees only after the public share offering and the companys receiving the proceeds.
El Al is pulling all the political strings it can to reverse Terner-Eyals stand. It not only wants to get the guarantees immediately but to remove the condition that the share offering takes place. It contends that Terner-Eyals timeframe is unrealistic. She wants the offering to be completed by the end of August, much earlier than the end-October deadline that had been set by Babad.
El Al owes ticket holders some $300 million, which it must begin repaying either by August 14 or within 90 days of the cancelled flight, whichever is later. Its estimated that the airline will have to come up with $60 million of that sum in the final two weeks of the month.
The treasury is insisting that the share offering take place no later than September 17 because after that date the High Holidays begin and it will be difficult to raise money. El Al is saying that if the Finance Ministry isnt willing to let it borrow the whole $250 million, then it should at least let it borrow $60 million to repay ticket holders. If not that, then it wants to be able to withdraw excess money it contributed to the company pension fund, which amounts to about $67 million.
Its also lobbying the Knesset Economics Committee to push back the deadline for beginning to repay ticket holders by two weeks.
Delays in granting Rozenberg and his self-appointed trustee, Harel Locker, a license to control the airline is another factor working in favor of Mozes Borovitzs campaign to retain control of El Al. After retracting a decision to halt the process of examining his application, the Government Corporations Authority has been moving it forward at a snails pace. Rosenbergs offer is becoming more irrelevant by the day.
On Monday, El Al itself erected a new obstacle for Rozenberg: The companys attorney, Avigdor Klagsbald, notified Rozenbergs lawyer that the airline could not respond materially to his offer, among other reasons, because it is unclear whether it is Rozenberg himself or his father, Kenny, who is really the investor. Therefore, Klasgbald said, he would need the approval of a general shareholders meeting, which can only be called on 35 days notice. If so, Rozenbergs end-of-August deadline for El Al to accept his offer renders the offer null.
Sources close to Rozenberg reacted angrily, saying that instead of calling him to a meeting to discuss his offer to rescue the airline, the board is raising baseless technical problems and pressuring the treasury. They noted that El Al could seek a court order cutting the shareholders meeting notice time. Such requests are made routinely.
Klagsbalds letter shows the board isnt interested in seriously entertaining Rozenbergs offer, they said. In addition, they noted, Rozenberg has already reached an understanding with the pilots that would award them share options in exchange for wage cuts, but the source said, Mozes Borovitz has since been trying to drive a wedge between the two sides.
Post by: yochai on July 28, 2020, 05:23:07 PM
This airline is an embarrassment.Totally agree. Cant wait for the day they go bankrupt!
Post by: tavster on July 29, 2020, 02:10:28 AM
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3842318,00.html
Post by: Mikes@Micro on July 29, 2020, 02:15:29 AM
According to Calcalist, Larry Maisel is also about to make a bidWho is he?
https://www.calcalist.co.il/local/articles/0,7340,L-3842318,00.html
Post by: tavster on July 29, 2020, 02:39:45 AM
Who is he?https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/1435616
Post by: avadah on July 30, 2020, 03:29:09 PM
Totally agree. Cant wait for the day they go bankrupt!NO! Let me get my refund first!
Post by: tavster on August 03, 2020, 03:31:54 PM
(Haaretz) -- El Al Airlines was thrown a financial lifeline on Monday after officials agreed that Israeli airlines would only be required to refund ticket holders for flights canceled due to the coronavirus pandemic by October 1.
The agreement between Economy Minster Amir Peretz, Justice Minister Avi Nissenkorn and Transportation Minister Miri Regev means that financially troubled El Al will can repay the 1.1 billion shekels ($320 million) it owes ticket holders much later than required under legislation passed by the Knesset last month.
The new deadline, which applies to Israir and Arkia as well as El Al, still needs to be approved by the Knesset.
Under an amendment to the Airlines Law approved by the Knesset in July, carriers had been required to refund money 90 days after a flight is canceled or 30 days after the legislation was passed, whichever is later. That meant that the first refunds were due to be paid on August 14.
The new agreement says that only airlines that have suffered a drop of 70% or more in their traffic can wait to refund ticket holders until October 1. Otherwise, they must return the money immediately. In El Als case, if it reaches a rescue agreement with the government and issues shares, it also must refund the money immediately afterward.
El Al has agreed to a treasury plan under which it will be entitled to $250 million in government-guaranteed loans on condition that it raises $150 million in equity capital via a share sale to the public. That offering is expected to take place in late August or early September. El Al is expected to file a prospectus by the end of this week.
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Post by: pomy100 on August 03, 2020, 05:38:32 PM
Post by: tavster on August 04, 2020, 02:36:27 AM
There probably is a fair amount of Israeli pilots who can be hired. The Elal jobs are extremely lucrative and in short supplyVery lucrative indeed
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/el-al-pilots-earn-on-average-nis-95000-per-month-637414
Post by: tavster on August 04, 2020, 12:49:31 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-eli-rozenberg-granted-permit-to-buy-el-al-1001338256
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Post by: yandmk on August 10, 2020, 05:02:56 AM
I Received the following e-mail from Chase Ultimate Rewards regarding the cancelled return leg of an El Al Ticket purchased with Chase Ultimate Rewards Points to bring my son home from Yeshiva in March, what should be my next step?There isn't much to do besides patiently wait (and file a claim with the DOT, if you haven't yet)
Post by: KSMH on August 12, 2020, 10:04:12 AM
Post by: tavster on August 12, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-threatens-el-al-board-with-defamation-suit-1001339036https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-to-meet-el-al-board-next-tuesday-1001339163
Post by: Jellybelly on August 12, 2020, 08:12:26 PM
Post by: tavster on August 13, 2020, 12:55:33 AM
I actually know him. He's frum and an avgeek
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 13, 2020, 12:58:18 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-meir-gurvitz-enters-race-to-buy-el-al-1001339178Yeah he's a real buyer. Not somebody who's going to try to sue his acquisition target for defamation
I actually know him. He's frum and an avgeek
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2020, 01:04:01 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-meir-gurvitz-enters-race-to-buy-el-al-1001339178Does he have any interest in talking to me :)
I actually know him. He's frum and an avgeek
I'm an expert in off the record LY interviews :D
Post by: tavster on August 13, 2020, 01:05:11 AM
Does he have any interest in talking to me :)I can try to facilitate but he's extremely discreet. No doubt that if he ends up buying him he'd happy to IMHO
Post by: yaakov35 on August 13, 2020, 01:17:08 AM
Yeah he's a real buyer. Not somebody who's going to try to sue his acquisition target for defamationToo be fair, elal stared playing dirty first and it was totally uncalled for.
Post by: Dan on August 13, 2020, 01:25:56 AM
I can try to facilitate but he's extremely discreet. No doubt that if he ends up buying him he'd happy to IMHOAlways happy to talk off the record.
Post by: tavster on August 18, 2020, 10:44:38 AM
Post by: tavster on August 18, 2020, 10:59:02 AM
Post by: yandmk on August 18, 2020, 01:35:22 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-third-potential-buyer-seeks-permit-to-control-el-al-1001339800Any report of how the meeting with Rosenberg went today?
Post by: ari3 on August 18, 2020, 03:19:50 PM
Post by: Dan on August 18, 2020, 03:26:56 PM
My daughters seminary wants us to book a group flight on EL AL right after Succos. Not that excited about that.LOL
Send them my post. Worked for every place so far.
Post by: tavster on August 20, 2020, 02:39:37 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001339779Flagged above
Another potential bidder for ELAL. Calls for Government to remove their backstop.
Post by: tavster on August 23, 2020, 08:56:36 AM
Post by: tavster on August 24, 2020, 07:06:36 AM
Post by: ExGingi on August 26, 2020, 08:20:15 PM
https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1132458
Post by: tavster on August 26, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
Another bid? ::)Interesting..
https://www.bhol.co.il/news/1132458
I'm trying to understand why 3 out of 4 offers come from frum poeple.. just a coincidence or they think they would know how to run the business better
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2020, 12:57:24 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-losses-mount-in-q2-1001340728
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2020, 01:04:41 PM
"Ultimately El Al was chosen, and will fly Israeli and US officials on the Boeing 737, chosen over the Dreamline 787, as the latter is not yet equipped with the Israel Aerospace Industries's Skyshiled systems"
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2020, 01:09:23 PM
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/el-al-chosen-to-carry-out-first-commercial-flight-from-israel-to-uae-640166Posted here
"Ultimately El Al was chosen, and will fly Israeli and US officials on the Boeing 737, chosen over the Dreamline 787, as the latter is not yet equipped with the Israel Aerospace Industries's Skyshiled systems"
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=109357.msg2315435#msg2315435
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2020, 01:13:42 PM
And why don't they fly a 777?
Post by: ExGingi on August 27, 2020, 01:15:09 PM
So LY's famed missile avoidance systems aren't on any 787s?
And why don't they fly a 777?
Maybe pilot issues?
Post by: chff on August 27, 2020, 01:29:36 PM
After 5 months grounding, ELAl just took this 737 for airworthiness flight. It's planned to take historic Israeli delegation to UAE next week for normalization talks. Three pilots are heading Amsterdam for urgent simulator, as they have also not flown in ages. More later..
— avi scharf (@avischarf) August 27, 2020
4x-ehd pic.twitter.com/1Hb7eNXgit
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2020, 01:41:03 PM
So LY's famed missile avoidance systems aren't on any 787s?I find it very hard to believe.
Most times they have received a new 787 they had a two week gap where they were 'upgrading' them
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2020, 01:49:08 PM
No sims in IL?After 5 months grounding, ELAl just took this 737 for airworthiness flight. It's planned to take historic Israeli delegation to UAE next week for normalization talks. Three pilots are heading Amsterdam for urgent simulator, as they have also not flown in ages. More later..
— avi scharf (@avischarf) August 27, 2020
4x-ehd pic.twitter.com/1Hb7eNXgit
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2020, 01:49:16 PM
I find it very hard to believe.Very odd
Most times they have received a new 787 they had a two week gap where they were 'upgrading' them
Post by: chff on August 27, 2020, 01:50:14 PM
I find it very hard to believe.
Most times they have received a new 787 they had a two week gap where they were 'upgrading' them
באישור הצנזורה: בניגוד למטוסי ה- 737, על מטוסי הדרימליינר לא הותקנו מעולם מערכות "מגן רקיע". על המערכת הישראלית תוכלו לקרוא כאן:https://t.co/Hwxu05SZYf pic.twitter.com/ndWKMFDoBi
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) August 27, 2020
Post by: chff on August 27, 2020, 01:51:17 PM
No sims in IL?
I guess they can't afford them
Post by: tavster on August 27, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
Strange... I have a friend at IAI, I'll try to understand from they wouldn't equip the 787.באישור הצנזורה: בניגוד למטוסי ה- 737, על מטוסי הדרימליינר לא הותקנו מעולם מערכות "מגן רקיע". על המערכת הישראלית תוכלו לקרוא כאן:https://t.co/Hwxu05SZYf pic.twitter.com/ndWKMFDoBi
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) August 27, 2020
And I guess they are not using the 777 because they have been converted to cargo planes?
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2020, 01:53:54 PM
Strange... I have a friend at IAI, I'll try to understand from they wouldn't equip the 787.So much for the people that say they only fly LY because of the anti-missile system.
And I guess they are not using the 777 because they have been converted to cargo planes?
All 777s were converted?
Post by: shaulyaakov on August 27, 2020, 02:02:02 PM
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2020, 02:46:20 PM
The Israeli government funded their installation originally, however there was a dispute with Elal over who would pay the large maintenance costs
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2020, 02:50:06 PM
The system only protects from shoulder launched infrared guided missiles, which can only reach a maximum of 20,000 feet, so it really only helps during takeoff and landing. That's besides the fact that a missile is unlikely to break a large planes' fuselage and it can sustain an engine loss without issues.So it's not on any 787s?
The Israeli government funded their installation originally, however there was a dispute with Elal over who would pay the large maintenance costs
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2020, 02:51:28 PM
No sims in IL?https://www.ias.co.il/תעופה/אל-על-חנכה-מדמה-טיסה-מדגם-בואינג-737/
I guess they have union issues preventing them from bringing back the simulator staff
Post by: ExGingi on August 27, 2020, 04:27:54 PM
So it's not on any 787s?
Maybe due to the composite materials it's made out of.
Post by: tavster on August 28, 2020, 01:27:36 AM
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/286126
Post by: tavster on August 28, 2020, 05:34:37 AM
Post by: tavster on August 28, 2020, 07:26:32 AM
?s=09לפי גורמים באל על, הסעודים אשרו את נתיב הטיסה מעל סעודיה, בין היתר כי יהיו עליו גם בכירים אמריקאים. כך, שמלבד האירוע ההיסטורי באמירויות, זאת תיהיה גם הפעם הראשונה אי פעם שמטוס עם רישום ישראלי (-4X) עובר מעל סעודיה 🇮🇱🇺🇲🇦🇪🇸🇦 @mohsaud08 @ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/0jNwTykHOc
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) August 27, 2020
Post by: KSMH on August 28, 2020, 11:42:34 AM
Post by: KSMH on August 28, 2020, 12:10:46 PM
.https://www.axios.com/israel-first-commercial-flight-uae-abu-dhabi-6a3bc043-07d8-4872-a599-1e32a130765c.html?utm_campaign=organic&utm_medium=socialshare&utm_source=twitter
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2020, 01:52:28 PM
Post by: KSMH on August 30, 2020, 02:01:39 AM
המשלחת האמריקאית 🇺🇸🇦🇪🇮🇱הבכירה לאבו דאבי נוחתת בנתב"ג ממש עכשיו. שני מטוסי חיל האוויר האמריקאי 02-0042 05-0730 עם חתנו של טראמפ קושנר, היועץ למזרח התיכון אבי ברקוביץ' והיועץ לבטחון לאומי רוברט אובראיין@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/eFCRsP6q0C
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) August 30, 2020
Post by: tavster on August 31, 2020, 11:55:53 AM
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shaharmarkovitch_digital-transformation-course-el-als-case-activity-6706165955388571648-ByDh
IMHO he had a lot of good ideas but likely didn't realize management wasnt ready to implement any of them
Post by: ExGingi on August 31, 2020, 12:07:41 PM
LY Chief Digital Official resigns and posts his accomplishments in a long video
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shaharmarkovitch_digital-transformation-course-el-als-case-activity-6706165955388571648-ByDh
IMHO he had a lot of good ideas but likely didn't realize management wasnt ready to implement any of them
I wouldn't be surprised if they sue him for posting inside information publicly.
Post by: tavster on August 31, 2020, 12:09:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if they sue him for posting inside information publicly.Agreed
Post by: shaulyaakov on August 31, 2020, 12:09:16 PM
Post by: yaakov35 on August 31, 2020, 12:43:41 PM
Elal had a flight from JFK today (842).Erm. They've been flying 2x weekly since April.
Post by: shaulyaakov on August 31, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Erm. They've been flying 2x weekly since April.I thought they are shut down?
Post by: ExGingi on August 31, 2020, 01:00:53 PM
I thought they are shut down?
Cargo
Post by: yaakov35 on August 31, 2020, 01:19:09 PM
I thought they are shut down?For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.
Post by: tavster on August 31, 2020, 01:21:59 PM
For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.Are you sure?
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
Post by: ExGingi on August 31, 2020, 01:41:44 PM
Are you sure?
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
777 fleet has been converted to cargo.
Post by: tavster on August 31, 2020, 01:42:29 PM
777 fleet has been converted to cargo.Yes but are they flying?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 31, 2020, 01:42:58 PM
Post by: tavster on August 31, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.That's what I had in mind. Went through the flight history of all the tail numbers. Except maintenance here and there, not much move
Post by: Dan on August 31, 2020, 01:51:29 PM
LY Chief Digital Official resigns and posts his accomplishments in a long videoI had a lot of hope for him. Never materialized and I think the website is even worse than before, which is saying something.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/shaharmarkovitch_digital-transformation-course-el-als-case-activity-6706165955388571648-ByDh
IMHO he had a lot of good ideas but likely didn't realize management wasnt ready to implement any of them
TLDW summary of video?
Post by: chff on August 31, 2020, 01:53:38 PM
Elal had a flight from JFK today (842).
Cargo
For passenger flights. They fly plenty of cargo.
777 fleet has been converted to cargo.
Yes but are they flying?
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.
That's what I had in mind. Went through the flight history of all the tail numbers. Except maintenance here and there, not much move
LY842 is operated by Polar Air Cargo, it's not an Elal aircraft or crew. Elal doesnt have anymore 747 even in a cargo config
Post by: yaakov35 on August 31, 2020, 02:00:56 PM
Elal suspended cargo operations ~2 months ago.Fake news
Post by: yaakov35 on August 31, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Are you sure?They're operating 2x weekly to ny. And numerous weekly flights to LGG. Not necessarily their planes, but they are definitely flying.
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
Post by: tavster on August 31, 2020, 02:20:47 PM
Why do I have this bitter feeling that she will keep control of LY
Post by: NJDevil on September 01, 2020, 02:46:30 PM
No choice but brief layover in Paris on return. Pretty good AF deal for 25K each, but about 120 in taxes. (Cheaper than a LHR layover).
Post by: tavster on September 02, 2020, 04:38:47 AM
Sapir wants to co-control LY :-\
Post by: tavster on September 03, 2020, 06:00:56 AM
(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines to operate the first commercial cargo flight by an Israeli airline from Ben Gurion International Airport to Dubai, according to emailed from company.
The first flight, using a Boeing 747 jet, will fly to Belgium and from there to Dubai, carrying agricultural and high tech products.
It will later become a weekly flight, leaving Israel every Wednesday and returning to Israel on Fridays.
Post by: chff on September 03, 2020, 09:57:16 AM
LY plans weekly cargo flight to UAEWhy is a long detour via LGG?
(Bloomberg) --El Al Israel Airlines to operate the first commercial cargo flight by an Israeli airline from Ben Gurion International Airport to Dubai, according to emailed from company.
The first flight, using a Boeing 747 jet, will fly to Belgium and from there to Dubai, carrying agricultural and high tech products.
It will later become a weekly flight, leaving Israel every Wednesday and returning to Israel on Fridays.
Post by: tavster on September 03, 2020, 10:05:35 AM
Why is a long detour via LGG?Im guessing the tlv-lgg leg was already booked, and they are repositioning the plane in UAE instead of stopping by tlv
Post by: Ploni3 on September 03, 2020, 02:46:25 PM
Dear EL AL Passenger,
Due to the COVID-19 situation, your flights with EL AL that were scheduled to depart on 01-24/10 have been canceled.
Your ticket will be kept for future use at this stage.
When EL Al returns to normal operation, we will offer you an alternative for your ticket or monetary refund, per your selection.
You can follow our flight schedule on our website: http://www.elal.com
We apologize for the inconvenience anticipate returning back to our regular operation.
EL AL.
Post by: tavster on September 03, 2020, 02:48:26 PM
Now extended cancellation of all flights past yom tov; expertflyer showing 0 across the board for mid October for YYZ, EWR and most JFK flightsUntil they don't get bailed out there won't be flights
Dear EL AL Passenger,
Due to the COVID-19 situation, your flights with EL AL that were scheduled to depart on 01-24/10 have been canceled.
Your ticket will be kept for future use at this stage.
When EL Al returns to normal operation, we will offer you an alternative for your ticket or monetary refund, per your selection.
You can follow our flight schedule on our website: http://www.elal.com
We apologize for the inconvenience anticipate returning back to our regular operation.
EL AL.
Post by: ad120 on September 04, 2020, 01:35:13 AM
Post by: tavster on September 04, 2020, 02:42:48 AM
Post by: chff on September 04, 2020, 08:29:26 AM
Sitting on the beach, I just saw an LY plane in the sky.. first time in a while.. looks like just pilot training.. training for what? ;DAircraft airworthiness, or simply to keep the pilots current. I guess like them to answer them for similar training is going to be more expensive
Post by: yfr bachur on September 04, 2020, 09:50:45 AM
Tami Borovitz is the James Dolan of the airline industry.
That's insulting to Mr Dolan.
Post by: mgarfin on September 04, 2020, 11:53:55 AM
?s=20Delighted to join Aviation Eagles Wings as an advisor to acquire El Al & ensure a secure future.
— Jason D. Greenblatt (@GreenblattJD) September 4, 2020
We're in an historical period for Israel & its national airline, with new opportunities for airlines to the UAE & points east.
Israel needs & deserves a strong national airline.🇮🇱 pic.twitter.com/z5OQigJ5Rj
Post by: tavster on September 06, 2020, 08:59:14 AM
Post by: tavster on September 08, 2020, 06:43:02 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-sets-up-company-to-buy-el-al-in-public-offering-1001341989?s=20Delighted to join Aviation Eagles Wings as an advisor to acquire El Al & ensure a secure future.
— Jason D. Greenblatt (@GreenblattJD) September 4, 2020
We're in an historical period for Israel & its national airline, with new opportunities for airlines to the UAE & points east.
Israel needs & deserves a strong national airline.🇮🇱 pic.twitter.com/z5OQigJ5Rj
The tender offer next week will be interesting
Post by: ae123 on September 08, 2020, 08:35:47 PM
El Al is simply unreachable.
We filed a DoT complaint and just received this (see below).
Has anyone else been in this situation and can tell us what to expect?
Thank you.
(I hope I'm posting in the right place.)
*************
This responds to your communication regarding EL AL ISRAEL. The U.S. Department of Transportation seeks to ensure that all airline passengers are treated fairly. Complaints from consumers are helpful to us in determining whether the airlines are in compliance with our rules and to track trends or spot areas of concern that warrant further action.
Based on the information you have provided, your complaint appears to fall under the Department's rules. We will forward your complaint to the airline and ask the company to respond directly to you with a copy to us. Airlines are required to acknowledge receipt of a consumer complaint within 30 days and provide a substantive response to the complainant within 60 days. We will review the airline's response. If you need to contact me, please include your name and case number (see above).
If our review of your complaint and the response from the company discloses a potential violation of our rules, we may pursue enforcement action. Generally, we pursue enforcement action on the basis of a number of complaints which may indicate a pattern or practice of violating our rules. Your complaint may be among those considered and may lead to appropriate enforcement action including the assessment of civil penalties. However, we have no authority to order compensation for individual complainants.
We have entered your complaint in our computerized industry monitoring system, and it will be counted among the number of complaints filed against this airline in our monthly Air Travel Consumer Report. This report allows consumers and air travel companies to compare the complaint records of individual airlines and tour operators. The data in this report also serve as a basis for rulemaking, legislation and research. Consumer information for air travelers, including the Air Travel Consumer Report and our pamphlet Fly-Rights, a Consumer's Guide to Air Travel, can be found on our website: www.transportation.gov/airconsumer. Thank you for taking the time to contact us.
Post by: tavster on September 09, 2020, 09:15:42 AM
By next week we should know who the new owners are.
If I had to bet id say that Rosenberg will buy a controlling stake during the issuance.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001342149
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 09, 2020, 12:39:03 PM
LY agrees to go ahead with the equity issuances by September 15thThe article says a few days after Sep 15
Post by: noah32 on September 09, 2020, 03:43:56 PM
We had 3 round-trip tickets EWR-TLV for late July that were cancelled.
El Al is simply unreachable.
We filed a DoT complaint and just received this (see below).
Has anyone else been in this situation and can tell us what to expect?
Thank you.
(I hope I'm posting in the right place.)
*************
This responds to your communication regarding EL AL ISRAEL. The U.S. Department of Transportation seeks to ensure that all airline passengers are treated fairly. Complaints from consumers are helpful to us in determining whether the airlines are in compliance with our rules and to track trends or spot areas of concern that warrant further action.
Based on the information you have provided, your complaint appears to fall under the Department's rules. We will forward your complaint to the airline and ask the company to respond directly to you with a copy to us. Airlines are required to acknowledge receipt of a consumer complaint within 30 days and provide a substantive response to the complainant within 60 days. We will review the airline's response. If you need to contact me, please include your name and case number (see above).
If our review of your complaint and the response from the company discloses a potential violation of our rules, we may pursue enforcement action. Generally, we pursue enforcement action on the basis of a number of complaints which may indicate a pattern or practice of violating our rules. Your complaint may be among those considered and may lead to appropriate enforcement action including the assessment of civil penalties. However, we have no authority to order compensation for individual complainants.
We have entered your complaint in our computerized industry monitoring system, and it will be counted among the number of complaints filed against this airline in our monthly Air Travel Consumer Report. This report allows consumers and air travel companies to compare the complaint records of individual airlines and tour operators. The data in this report also serve as a basis for rulemaking, legislation and research. Consumer information for air travelers, including the Air Travel Consumer Report and our pamphlet Fly-Rights, a Consumer's Guide to Air Travel, can be found on our website: www.transportation.gov/airconsumer. Thank you for taking the time to contact us.
I received the same response last week. I think we just need to wait (up to) 60 days to hears ElAl's response.
Post by: ae123 on September 09, 2020, 03:52:06 PM
I received the same response last week. I think we just need to wait (up to) 60 days to hears ElAl's response.Do you think the new owners will honor prior tickets like ours?
Post by: tavster on September 09, 2020, 03:53:29 PM
Do you think the new owners will honor prior tickets like ours?Yes
Post by: tavster on September 13, 2020, 02:38:25 AM
Planning a 505-million shekel share offer during the coming week
https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/rpdf/1320001-1321000/P1320596-00.pdf
Post by: yaakov35 on September 13, 2020, 06:05:23 PM
Are you sure?Ly 33 bibis plane is a regular elal 777.
I had in mind that besides de 747 Cargo mentioned above, (and I have a feeling it's leased) the rest of the fleet had been grounded and all pilots put on unpaid leave
Post by: chff on September 13, 2020, 09:14:14 PM
Ly 33 bibis plane is a regular elal 777.As always
Post by: tavster on September 15, 2020, 09:09:13 AM
Wake me up when an agreement is reached.@Dan by tomorrow evening we should know who the new owner is. Then LY gets the State to guarantee the loans, and we're 'back in business'
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-tase-150m-offering-to-go-ahead-tomorrow-1001342840
Post by: ExGingi on September 15, 2020, 09:17:29 AM
@Dan by tomorrow evening we should know who the new owner is. Then LY gets the State to guarantee the loans, and we're 'back in business'
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-tase-150m-offering-to-go-ahead-tomorrow-1001342840
It ain't over 'till it's over.
Post by: Shauly101 on September 15, 2020, 10:16:20 AM
who gets to grab first? Rozenberg or Saphir?
Post by: tavster on September 15, 2020, 12:42:02 PM
if its public how does it work?There is a bidding process, whereby whoever bids for the larger amount of shares gets them.
who gets to grab first? Rozenberg or Saphir?
According to the press rosenberg is happy to buy $100m worth of shares through the offering.
I don't believe Sapir was interested in taking part, as they wanted a private placement, which will not take place. That's also why Gurvitz said he won't take part in the bidding process. So it sounds like it's going to Rozenberg. But who knows
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:06:07 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-eli-rozenberg-only-bidder-in-el-als-tase-offering-1001343038
Post by: jose34 on September 16, 2020, 01:13:54 PM
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:15:20 PM
Wait... he did not actually buy it yet.Before posting I've been trying to think what could go wrong from here. Can't think of anything ::)
Post by: Shauly101 on September 16, 2020, 01:26:48 PM
Wait... he did not actually buy it yet.
meaning? who has to approve his bid?
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:28:34 PM
meaning? who has to approve his bid?No one. But we don't have the official results yet.
The press just knows that the other 2 contenders said they wouldn't bid. Doesn't actually mean that someone else didn't bid
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:37:25 PM
The list of owners will be disclosed separately
Post by: Shauly101 on September 16, 2020, 01:42:04 PM
LY just announced that the offering was oversubscribed, with the full ILS 505 million having been raised.
The list of owners will be disclosed separately
link? Source?
Post by: CRACKERJACK on September 16, 2020, 01:47:21 PM
if its to much for you @tavster maybe @Dan can put it in the new years news roundup!?
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:47:49 PM
That's the list of new owners: doesn't help since the major shareholder holds them through bank hapoalim
link? Source?
https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/rpdf/1321001-1322000/P1321567-00.pdf
And these are the results of the capital raise:
https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/rpdf/1321001-1322000/P1321566-00.pdf
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:52:24 PM
for those not following the back and forth can we have the the whole story in short?Long story short, we don't know yet who the new owner is.
if its to much for you @tavster maybe @Dan can put it in the new years news roundup!?
We just know that LY has managed to raise the full amount they were looking for
Since Rosenberg's name doesn't show up on the registrar, as it seems that the shares are held through a bank, I believe we will have to wait for an announcement from Rozenberg himself, or whoever bought the shares.
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 01:59:11 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343029
Post by: jose34 on September 16, 2020, 03:01:53 PM
Post by: CRACKERJACK on September 16, 2020, 03:03:25 PM
So now practical , how does this change things?Wait and see?!
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 03:05:06 PM
So now practical , how does this change things?Practically they can call for a board meeting, appoint new directors, new management, new strategy etc...
Post by: YesThatsMe on September 16, 2020, 03:10:27 PM
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 03:11:26 PM
It's really historical. Kenny is committed to making the airline cater to Chareidim on a whole new level. He is very aware of the issues we faced with ELAL up till now and the strategy is to change that. They will revamp Matmid to make it competitive, cater to onflight minyanim, separate seating, families with children, etc. The NYC-TLV & LON-TLV routes will have everything the Chareidi traveler can dream of. There will be a huge blitz in the Chareidi media explaining all this. And there will be a firm commitment to Shabbos. This is a real gamechanger.Source?
Post by: YesThatsMe on September 16, 2020, 03:13:26 PM
Source?
A mutual associate. Just sit back and watch it unfold for the best iyh.
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 03:15:48 PM
It's really historical. Kenny is committed to making the airline cater to Chareidim on a whole new level. He is very aware of the issues we faced with ELAL up till now and the strategy is to change that. They will revamp Matmid to make it competitive, cater to onflight minyanim, separate seating, families with children, etc. The NYC-TLV & LON-TLV routes will have everything the Chareidi traveler can dream of. There will be a huge blitz in the Chareidi media explaining all this. And there will be a firm commitment to Shabbos. This is a real gamechanger.Wow. I'd love to interview him.
Post by: yeshivabucher on September 16, 2020, 03:20:19 PM
. There will be a huge blitz in the Chareidi media explaining all this.
Wow. I'd love to interview him.lets go
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 03:21:39 PM
A mutual associate. Just sit back and watch it unfold for the best iyh.Except for the Matmid part, I'm getting nervous about the rest. Separate sitting??
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 03:28:27 PM
Quote (google translate)
El Al, controlled by "Eagles Wings", will place special emphasis on meeting schedules on all its flights, will invest many resources in improving the service and improving the flight experience for all its customers, and will work to upgrade the food served to passengers in all departments
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2020, 03:30:44 PM
(https://mobile.twitter.com/YinonMagal/status/1306286665598668806)
[/url]אני מקווה לפחות שהכתבים המדיניים ומערכות החדשות שלהם מרוצים שראש ממשלה שחוזר מהסכם שלום היסטורי בבית הלבן ישן על הרצפה.
— ינון מגל (@YinonMagal) September 16, 2020
כפרה עליו נרדם עם ספר❤ pic.twitter.com/BVYSgkfS8b
Post by: BP16 on September 16, 2020, 03:31:00 PM
Except for the Matmid part, I'm getting nervous about the rest. Separate sitting??Yea why not there will be an option when purchasing the ticket will be somewhere in the back.
Post by: CRACKERJACK on September 16, 2020, 03:33:17 PM
Yea why not there will be an option when purchasing the ticket will be somewhere in the back.The last thing we need is another monsey bus! We knowit does not work
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
Will they have a usable premium product so the PM won't need to sleep on the floor?This is super strange. Why is he sleeping backwards, with his head on the footrest? :o
(https://mobile.twitter.com/YinonMagal/status/1306286665598668806)[/url]אני מקווה לפחות שהכתבים המדיניים ומערכות החדשות שלהם מרוצים שראש ממשלה שחוזר מהסכם שלום היסטורי בבית הלבן ישן על הרצפה.
— ינון מגל (@YinonMagal) September 16, 2020
כפרה עליו נרדם עם ספר❤ pic.twitter.com/BVYSgkfS8b
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 03:35:30 PM
The last thing we need is another monsey bus! We knowit does not workExplain?
Post by: BP16 on September 16, 2020, 03:35:39 PM
The last thing we need is another monsey bus! We knowit does not workinstead of people not sitting down they will set aside seats in the back for all those people
Post by: YesThatsMe on September 16, 2020, 03:41:58 PM
In general, rules like "if you say something about your seat you will be thrown off" can be axed immediately, and an attitude of respect to the needs of single chareidi travelles will go a long way.
Post by: CRACKERJACK on September 16, 2020, 03:43:21 PM
Explain?The monsey bus had/has a mechitza on the bus. (picture huge tabelcloth hanging in the middle)
There was a while back a terrible story on the very same bus ודי לחכימא
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2020, 03:44:43 PM
This is super strange. Why is he sleeping backwards, with his head on the footrest? :ohe is sleeping on the floor!
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2020, 03:45:42 PM
I dont think it necessitates anything more than setting aside the back row of a flight (max 9 seats) for anyone who has a problem with their seating neighbor. And this only needs to be done on 2-3 routes on the network.
In general, rules like "if you say something about your seat you will be thrown off" can be axed immediately, and an attitude of respect to the needs of single chareidi travelles will go a long way.
Playing musical chair before each flight will not allow
First press release. https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A4%D7%99-%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%A7%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%A2%D7%A6%D7%9E%D7%A0%D7%95-%D7%90%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99/
Quote (google translate)
El Al, controlled by "Eagles Wings", will place special emphasis on meeting schedules on all its flights, will invest many resources in improving the service and improving the flight experience for all its customers, and will work to upgrade the food served to passengers in all departments
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 03:49:13 PM
I dont think it necessitates anything more than setting aside the back row of a flight (max 9 seats) for anyone who has a problem with their seating neighbor. And this only needs to be done on 2-3 routes on the network.It's an extremely sensitive matter. So they would need to communicate very carefully. If the frum crowd get the impression that they can ask someone else to change seats, and that this will be tolerated because the owner is frum, it will be the beginning of the end
In general, rules like "if you say something about your seat you will be thrown off" can be axed immediately, and an attitude of respect to the needs of single chareidi travelles will go a long way.
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 03:50:46 PM
he is sleeping on the floor!More comfortable than angle flat seats.
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 03:51:23 PM
It's an extremely sensitive matter. So they would need to communicate very carefully. If the from crowd get the impression that they can ask someone else to change seats, and that this will be tolerated because the owner is frum, it will be the beginning of the end+1. Needs to be done smartly and PC, but it can be done.
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2020, 03:58:46 PM
More comfortable than angle flat seats.
Will they have a usable premium product so the PM won't need to sleep on the floor?
Post by: ExGingi on September 16, 2020, 04:00:34 PM
+1. Needs to be done smartly and PC, but it can be done.
Indeed. Changes need to come gradually and in a well thought out way. Hopefully, there will be a corporate DNA change that will make this an airline I would want to fly.
Post by: tavster on September 16, 2020, 04:01:18 PM
Must be some kind of meshigass
Post by: ABC on September 16, 2020, 05:19:42 PM
I've been on 777 F more times that I can count, and can definitely say that the seats are more comfortable that the floor ???
Must be some kind of meshigass
They flew to Dubai on a 737 no real J
So he slept on the floor.
Post by: shaulyaakov on September 16, 2020, 05:25:17 PM
There's only so much you can do to keep Halacha in a global business without using various loopholes. He doesn't shut his nursing homes down on shabbos.
Post by: aygart on September 16, 2020, 05:33:26 PM
They flew to Dubai on a 737 no real JThis is from now
So he slept on the floor.
Post by: ad120 on September 16, 2020, 05:59:28 PM
You cant be profitable with that mess.
Post by: KSMH on September 16, 2020, 06:04:59 PM
+1. Needs to be done smartly and PC, but it can be done.
There is nothing to be ashamed of, trying to cater to orthodox passengers, they make a up a big portion of their business.
Wow. I'd love to interview him.
U should do it, everyone can rewrite your article. They will anyways mess around with the wording... You shall minus we'll get it first hand!
The monsey bus had/has a mechitza on the bus. (picture huge tabelcloth hanging in the middle)
There was a while back a terrible story on the very same bus ודי לחכימא
Im not expecting that, but will be nice if they can cater to a huge portion of their business.
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 06:24:00 PM
It was only 1,000,000 points.
— DansDeals (@DansDeals) September 16, 2020
I almost bought it, but the $100,000,000 in fuel surcharges killed the deal!
Tomorrow's post: How the Chase 5/24 rule can block you from buying an airline and how to avoid it
— Leibel (@Squilled) September 16, 2020
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 06:24:25 PM
Anyone know Eli's number? I need to send a small package to my cousin in Israel
— DansDeals (@DansDeals) September 16, 2020
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 06:24:37 PM
Okay but is he married https://t.co/Q00S8O3R1W
— OnTheBench (@Huerts31) September 16, 2020
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 06:24:56 PM
It will now be called Eli Al.
— Eli Langer (@EliLanger) September 16, 2020
Post by: Dan on September 16, 2020, 06:25:00 PM
Maybe he will create a premium product to avoid this:https://t.co/Rn1jaH6mBA
— aygart (@aygart) September 16, 2020
Post by: KSMH on September 16, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
BTW, the floor is pretty comfortable, in back of the back row seats there is a space, tried it sometimes when in Y, usally takes FA's some time to nudge to move.Maybe he will create a premium product to avoid this:https://t.co/Rn1jaH6mBA
— aygart (@aygart) September 16, 2020
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2020, 12:47:11 AM
— Chaikel (@ChaikelK) September 16, 2020
Post by: tavster on September 17, 2020, 02:41:11 AM
Post by: tavster on September 17, 2020, 05:57:10 AM
On an unrelated matter, LY extends unpaid leave of its employees, and flights resumption, until October 30th ::)
Contrary to what was filed this morning at the tel aviv stock exchange, Globes reports that LY will restart service to NY, London, Paris, on October 12
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-to-restart-passenger-flights-next-month-1001343109
@Dan :o
Post by: YED on September 17, 2020, 06:42:47 AM
https://passportnews.co.il/%d7%91%d7%a2%d7%a7%d7%91%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%a9%d7%aa%d7%9c%d7%98%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%a8%d7%95%d7%96%d7%a0%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%92-%d7%9e%d7%a0%d7%9b%d7%9c-%d7%90%d7%9c-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%a6%d7%a4%d7%95/
Post by: a mirrer on September 17, 2020, 09:34:00 AM
I've been on 777 F more times that I can count, and can definitely say that the seats are more comfortable that the floor ???is there F on the plane that he took because that footrest next to him looks like the business class seat.
Must be some kind of meshigass
Post by: tavster on September 17, 2020, 09:38:35 AM
is there F on the plane that he took because that footrest next to him looks like the business class seat.Yeah. These are the F seats in the 777
Post by: tavster on September 17, 2020, 10:02:20 AM
Contrary to what was filed this morning at the tel aviv stock exchange, Globes reports that LY will restart service to NY, London, Paris, on October 12I also see flights to Athens bookable from October 2nd.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-to-restart-passenger-flights-next-month-1001343109
@Dan :o
Post by: tavster on September 17, 2020, 10:59:16 AM
he is sleeping on the floor!
https://www.timesofisrael.com/picture-of-netanyahu-apparently-sleeping-on-plane-floor-stirs-debate/
Post by: yelped on September 17, 2020, 11:26:56 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/picture-of-netanyahu-apparently-sleeping-on-plane-floor-stirs-debate/Flying a 777 costs less than the $145,000 the private jet would have cost?
Post by: tavster on September 17, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
Flying a 777 costs less than the $145,000 the private jet would have cost?No. But the 777 includes the entire delegation etc.
The plan for the private jet was for Bibi and his wife alone, with the delegation flying separately
Post by: KSMH on September 17, 2020, 11:57:27 AM
being reported that Jason Greenblat will be taking a director position in the new ELA, they are hoping to make use of his relations around the world.
https://passportnews.co.il/%d7%91%d7%a2%d7%a7%d7%91%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%94%d7%a9%d7%aa%d7%9c%d7%98%d7%95%d7%aa-%d7%a8%d7%95%d7%96%d7%a0%d7%91%d7%a8%d7%92-%d7%9e%d7%a0%d7%9b%d7%9c-%d7%90%d7%9c-%d7%a2%d7%9c-%d7%a6%d7%a4%d7%95/
He had some role in the offering part as well, when u leave government....., good for him.
Post by: yelped on September 17, 2020, 01:15:05 PM
No. But the 777 includes the entire delegation etc.Ah...
The plan for the private jet was for Bibi and his wife alone, with the delegation flying separately
He had some role in the offering part as well, when u leave government....., good for him.Could you stop with bashing the "elite class"? He actually had a much higher paying job prior to joining the Trump administration.
Post by: KSMH on September 17, 2020, 01:19:21 PM
Ah...Could you stop with bashing the "elite class"? He actually had a much higher paying job prior to joining the Trump administration.I didn't bash and don't think there is anything wrong with taking a job when leaving government, I left those "........" in there so everyone can interpret the way they want, obviously you can by default chose the negative one. I ended with "good for him", I really do wish him all good.
Post by: ae123 on September 17, 2020, 03:11:42 PM
El Al will supposedly offer a 125% voucher for all cancelled flights.
I don't understand this.
If El Al raises their prices that wipes out the extra 25%.
For example, if I paid $1000 for a ticket and I get a voucher for $1250, by the time I redeem the voucher chances are the ticket prices will have gone up to approximately $1250 wiping out any benefit.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.
Post by: Dan on September 17, 2020, 03:12:51 PM
Topic change.Already asked and answered on DDMS
El Al will supposedly offer a 125% voucher for all cancelled flights.
I don't understand this.
If El Al raises their prices that wipes out the extra 25%.
For example, if I paid $1000 for a ticket and I get a voucher for $1250, by the time I redeem the voucher chances are the ticket prices will have gone up to approximately $1250 wiping out any benefit.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.
Post by: ae123 on September 17, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Already asked and answered on DDMSThank you.
Post by: Abey on September 18, 2020, 05:31:10 AM
Post by: tavster on September 18, 2020, 07:59:09 AM
Post by: tavster on September 20, 2020, 02:34:27 PM
Open letter by TA Mark Feldman to Eli Rozenberg
Post by: stooges44 on September 21, 2020, 11:44:10 AM
Anyone know Eli's number? I need to send a small package to my cousin in Israel
— DansDeals (@DansDeals) September 16, 2020
(https://i.gyazo.com/d4e030b4c1c3c25dfd097b7ad1a19d27.png)
funniest part is, whoever put this together thought his name is Kenny ???
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 21, 2020, 12:51:48 PM
(https://i.gyazo.com/d4e030b4c1c3c25dfd097b7ad1a19d27.png)Funniest part is, it is actually "Kenny" who is the real owner.
funniest part is, whoever put this together thought his name is Kenny ???
Post by: avadah on September 21, 2020, 03:27:21 PM
Post by: tavster on September 21, 2020, 03:47:40 PM
So did they reach out to Dan or not?Good question.
But in any event, the main priority right now is to manage the workforce, and especially the relationship with the pilots. Cost-cutting and workforce optimization is make or break at this point.
If the new owner manages it properly, then there is plenty of room to turn this airline around, IMHO, otherwise it's not worth wasting Dan's time
Post by: Pesach on September 21, 2020, 09:17:46 PM
Post by: ExGingi on September 21, 2020, 09:30:15 PM
on a side note just curious with all their flying back and forth to israel the past few weekS, were they the only ones, besides government, allowed into Israel on a permit without having to quarantine for 14 days ? did anyone hear of anyone else?No. Yes.
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 06:54:21 AM
@Dan it's your chance! ;)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580
Post by: ExGingi on September 23, 2020, 10:28:25 AM
They are looking to replace all the board members
@Dan it's your chance! ;)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580
Necessary move. Need to drain the swamp.
Biggest challenge is dealing with the unions. As the sole (at this point) commenter on the article wrote:
Quote
אל תשכח. משימתך מר רוזנברג היא קודם כל להבהיר לטייסים מי בעל הבית ומי קובע את העניינים. אחר כך, קצץ להם 50% לפחות. ותחתים אותם על מסמך התחייבות שטייס שיגרום נזקים מכוונים לאל על כפי שנעשה עד כה יפוטר מיידית מהחברה. לא תעשה זאת ? ראה את כספך ככסף שהושלך לפח אשפה.
Post by: Dan on September 23, 2020, 10:30:28 AM
They are looking to replace all the board membersI guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
@Dan it's your chance! ;)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343580
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 10:32:28 AM
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.I don't have an educated answer.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
But it's not impossible to think that it's complicated on purpose - so that clients don't realize the poor value / lack of comparability vs other airlines
Post by: ExGingi on September 23, 2020, 10:32:33 AM
I guess my biggest question is why is Matmid so convoluted? You need a PhD to understand the program.
Is there a reason the program can't be run like an American FFP?
I guess the biggest reason for that is lack of any airline partners (for redemption, and IINM also for earnings) which gives no impetus for fundamental change from the originally devised scheme that might work for a single airline/participant loyalty plan.
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 10:33:19 AM
Necessary move. Need to drain the swamp.I want to believe that Rosenberg's advisors have done their homework before investing
Biggest challenge is dealing with the unions. As the sole (at this point) commenter on the article wrote:
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 01:20:09 PM
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Post by: Dan on September 23, 2020, 01:22:21 PM
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.Pathetic.
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 23, 2020, 01:54:18 PM
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.Eli can hire Kenny as a consultant.
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Post by: ExGingi on September 23, 2020, 01:58:21 PM
Pathetic.Understatement.
It's emblematic of the failed corporate DNA. Always find the problem with others. Delay, obfuscate, but never take personal responsibility.
Post by: Dan on September 23, 2020, 02:00:12 PM
Wow. LY, who is still controlled by the former board until rosenberg appoints a new one, just filed to the TASE a letter saying that they noticed that Knafaim is controlled by Kenny Rozenberg and not by Eli, and so according to them it's a breach of the holding permit.Link?
It's amazing how Moses will fight this until their last breath. Meanwhile she didn't invest a single shekel during the capital raise last week
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 02:02:28 PM
Link?https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/RHtm/1322001-1323000/H1322633.htm
Post by: Dan on September 23, 2020, 02:04:47 PM
https://mayafiles.tase.co.il/RHtm/1322001-1323000/H1322633.htmDoes it say who submitted the complaint?
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 02:08:43 PM
Does it say who submitted the complaint?Yes it's a elal filling. It says 'the company turned to the ministers'
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 23, 2020, 02:16:53 PM
Does it say who submitted the complaint?Osishkin and Fogelman signed it.
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 02:21:37 PM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343653
Post by: Kobe Bryant on September 23, 2020, 02:27:11 PM
Now picked up in Globesאלדון שדלסון
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001343653
הרגע
יש גבול לחוצפה שלך. כשלת בניהול החברה עם שכר הטייסים. 700 טייסים ל 40 מטוסים. התבלבלת??? ושכר מנופח. אחרי שהפלת תחברה לפני פשיטת רגל. בא איש עסקים שמוכן לשים כסף כשאת לא מוכנה לשים שקל אחד בהנפקה הוא כן שם. למה שהמדינה תשב ותממן תכשלונות שלך על חשבון האזרחים. את מוזמנת לעזוב תחברה כמו נוחי דנקר שעזב את אי די בי. ועוד אנשי עסקים שנפלו. המדינה לא אמורה לממן אותך
Post by: tavster on September 23, 2020, 02:31:52 PM
אלדון שדלסוןWell said.
הרגע
יש גבול לחוצפה שלך. כשלת בניהול החברה עם שכר הטייסים. 700 טייסים ל 40 מטוסים. התבלבלת??? ושכר מנופח. אחרי שהפלת תחברה לפני פשיטת רגל. בא איש עסקים שמוכן לשים כסף כשאת לא מוכנה לשים שקל אחד בהנפקה הוא כן שם. למה שהמדינה תשב ותממן תכשלונות שלך על חשבון האזרחים. את מוזמנת לעזוב תחברה כמו נוחי דנקר שעזב את אי די בי. ועוד אנשי עסקים שנפלו. המדינה לא אמורה לממן אותך
If I was a shareholder I would sue the board for failing on its fiduciary duties
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 08:34:44 AM
Well said.
If I was a shareholder I would sue the board for failing on its fiduciary duties
Any precedent for legal accountability of a board in Israel?
Post by: shaulyaakov on September 24, 2020, 08:47:08 AM
1. Was the holding company funded through an above board loan? That would generally require certain legal documents to exist, including things like paying interest at prevailing rates etc?
2. Even if it was all technically legal, since the Knesset has some discretion here, should they care if it's more of a "wink wink" sort of thing? Presumably, the government doesn't want to be on the hook for all these shares, so I imagine they wouldn't care unless there are serious irregularities here.
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 08:51:57 AM
This may be an unpopular opinion here, but we all know the Kenny was behind this from the beginning. Heck, DDMS reported that numerous times. To me, that leaves 2 questions:
1. Was the holding company funded through an above board loan? That would generally require certain legal documents to exist, including things like paying interest at prevailing rates etc?
2. Even if it was all technically legal, since the Knesset has some discretion here, should they care if it's more of a "wink wink" sort of thing? Presumably, the government doesn't want to be on the hook for all these shares, so I imagine they wouldn't care unless there are serious irregularities here.
1. Are you aware of what AFR rates currently are?
2. They have the option to care or not care.
Post by: shaulyaakov on September 24, 2020, 08:53:31 AM
1. Are you aware of what AFR rates currently are?For a risky investment opportunity to buy a failing airline? Guessing pretty high.
2. They have the option to care or not care.
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 08:57:45 AM
For a risky investment opportunity to buy a failing airline? Guessing pretty high.
What does that have to do with AFR (applicable federal rates)?
https://resources.evans-legal.com/?p=2591
Post by: shaulyaakov on September 24, 2020, 09:01:16 AM
What does that have to do with AFR (applicable federal rates)?Is that the only applicable factor for Israel's requirements? I'm asking - I genuinely don't know.
https://resources.evans-legal.com/?p=2591
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 10:09:47 AM
Is that the only applicable factor for Israel's requirements? I'm asking - I genuinely don't know.
That differentiates between a loan and a gift (or some other proxy arrangement which isn't an arms-length transaction) based on US law (which both Kenny and Eli are subject to). I would assume it would be respected by Israeli law. I.e. if there's a proper loan document charging AFR rates, it's a legitimate bona fide loan (if it's a gift then it would be subject to US gift taxes. I'm sure someone with the net worth of Kenny Rozenberg has proper advice in order to make sure all the i's are dotted and all the t's are crossed).
Post by: tavster on September 24, 2020, 12:40:09 PM
My favorite quote: "The Borowitz Group appears to be illegally using EL AL's name for its own purposes that are inconsistent with EL AL's goals, with some board members making cynical use of their formal authority. "
https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A4%D7%99-%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A3-%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A8/
Post by: ExGingi on September 24, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
Rosenberg's lawyers respond to the allegations. Call them lies.
My favorite quote: "The Borowitz Group appears to be illegally using EL AL's name for its own purposes that are inconsistent with EL AL's goals, with some board members making cynical use of their formal authority. "
https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%A4%D7%99-%D7%A0%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%AA%D7%A2%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%94-%D7%91%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%AA%D7%91-%D7%97%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%A3-%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%91%D7%A8%D7%99-%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A8/
While on that site I saw another interesting news item:
https://passportnews.co.il/%d7%99%d7%a9%d7%a8%d7%90%d7%99%d7%99%d7%a8-%d7%a6%d7%a4%d7%95%d7%99%d7%94-%d7%9c%d7%94%d7%99%d7%9e%d7%9b%d7%a8-%d7%aa%d7%95%d7%9a-%d7%97%d7%95%d7%93%d7%a9%d7%99%d7%99%d7%9d-%d7%91%d7%9e%d7%9b%d7%a8/
Looks like Israir might be on the sales block soon.
Post by: tavster on September 24, 2020, 01:33:42 PM
Didn't think anyone here would care :)
Post by: ae123 on September 28, 2020, 11:27:31 PM
If yes, that poses a problem as I'll explain.
Often tickets are significantly cheaper on 3rd part sites than El Al's site.
For example, we purchased El Al tickets on Momondo for last August at $1100 each while on El Al's site those same tickets were $1500 each.
Hence, if the 125% voucher can only be used on El Al's site we will actually be taking quite a loss.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.
Post by: yandmk on September 28, 2020, 11:34:32 PM
Is the 125% voucher only able to be redeemed on El Al's site?So go for the refund
If yes, that poses a problem as I'll explain.
Often tickets are significantly cheaper on 3rd part sites than El Al's site.
For example, we purchased El Al tickets on Momondo for last August at $1100 each while on El Al's site those same tickets were $1500 each.
Hence, if the 125% voucher can only be used on El Al's site we will actually be taking quite a loss.
Am I missing something?
Thanks.
Post by: tavster on September 29, 2020, 10:46:54 AM
42 flights scheduled over the next two weeks.
Post by: ae123 on September 29, 2020, 10:49:44 AM
So go for the refundI know that.
I'm trying to figure out if getting the voucher would work for us.
Post by: Dan on September 29, 2020, 10:52:33 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-resumes-passenger-flights-1001343984Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?
42 flights scheduled over the next two weeks.
Post by: tavster on September 29, 2020, 10:54:37 AM
Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?No sure what's going on.
I have a feeling most will be cancelled since LY is not supposed to sell any more seats during the lockdown period
Post by: tavster on September 29, 2020, 11:35:40 AM
Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-govt-to-permit-eli-rozenberg-to-control-el-al-1001343992
Post by: PlatinumGuy on September 29, 2020, 12:09:04 PM
Crazy. I wonder who controls the airline currently?Take time to replace the board
Post by: tavster on September 30, 2020, 02:56:07 AM
It was for tickets which were booked as points + cash, so instead of getting the points back without bonus, I preferred getting a $ voucher with the 25% bonus.
The voucher number works as a credit card. Can be used multiple times, can be 'transferred' to someone else (are we opening a new thread of LY Vouchers for sell?? ;))
Post by: tavster on September 30, 2020, 02:48:07 PM
Shows the high level of confidence people have in the airline
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001344152
Post by: tavster on October 01, 2020, 05:31:49 AM
?s=19חברת אל אל היתה אמורה להוציא בשעה 10:00 את טיסתה הראשונה אחרי 4 חודשים, אולם בעקבות תקלה במנוע מטוס הדרימליינר לאתונה, ההמראה נדחית והנוסעים ממתינים קרוב לשעתיים בתוך המטוס בחוסר ודאות. צילום: מאיה מי רז@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/weZemqTfpQ
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 1, 2020
Post by: tavster on October 01, 2020, 11:19:10 AM
Flight passenger flight delayed by 2 hours due to technical issues ::)It's not just an airline ;D?s=19חברת אל אל היתה אמורה להוציא בשעה 10:00 את טיסתה הראשונה אחרי 4 חודשים, אולם בעקבות תקלה במנוע מטוס הדרימליינר לאתונה, ההמראה נדחית והנוסעים ממתינים קרוב לשעתיים בתוך המטוס בחוסר ודאות. צילום: מאיה מי רז@ynetalerts pic.twitter.com/weZemqTfpQ
— איתי בלומנטל Itay Blumental (@ItayBlumental) October 1, 2020
https://www.timesofisrael.com/first-el-al-commercial-flight-after-virus-hiatus-is-grounded-due-to-engine-fault/
Post by: Dan on October 01, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
It's not just an airline ;DGood to know you can count on some things staying the same in 2020.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/first-el-al-commercial-flight-after-virus-hiatus-is-grounded-due-to-engine-fault/
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 01, 2020, 11:24:18 AM
Post by: tavster on October 01, 2020, 11:25:44 AM
Shocked that Elal is actually flying again.I'm scheduled to fly with them next week BH.
Can't say I wasn't aware of the risks ;D
Post by: Dan on October 01, 2020, 11:26:03 AM
Shocked that Elal is actually flying again.+1
Post by: PlatinumGuy on October 01, 2020, 11:27:12 AM
Post by: tavster on October 01, 2020, 11:28:05 AM
I bet the CEO's kids (who are back from BOS) went to vacation in Greece or something.Lol
Post by: tavster on October 02, 2020, 08:52:45 AM
Best of luck to him
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-state-grants-rozenberg-permit-to-control-el-al-1001344393
Post by: tavster on October 04, 2020, 11:42:53 AM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rami-levy-opens-bidding-for-israir-1001344457
Looks like Israir might be on the sales block soon.
Post by: tavster on October 04, 2020, 04:06:35 PM
https://viewfromthewing.com/american-express-dropping-el-al-as-a-transfer-partner/
Post by: Ploni3 on October 05, 2020, 07:37:32 PM
From their Corona page.
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2020, 08:23:52 PM
From October 25, 2020, The company will resume passenger flights to Los Angeles and Miami.How are they going to fill these planes?
From their Corona page.
Post by: thaber on October 05, 2020, 08:34:28 PM
American Express Losing El Al As A Transfer PartnerWhich makes matmid lose the little value it has
https://viewfromthewing.com/american-express-dropping-el-al-as-a-transfer-partner/
Post by: ExGingi on October 05, 2020, 09:11:06 PM
How are they going to fill these planes?
Israeli lockdowns forbid people from going beyond a certain distance from their homes, as long as it's within the borders. So one can't go from Jerusalem to Tzfas, but is allowed to go to MIA or LAX.
/s
Post by: yandmk on October 05, 2020, 09:16:45 PM
Israeli lockdowns forbid people from going beyond a certain distance from their homes, as long as it's within the borders. So one can't go from Jerusalem to Tzfas, but is allowed to go to MIA or LAX.Incorrect. They're asking people at the airport for proof that they purchased their flight before September 25. I'm not saying it's impossible to forge a ticket for an earlier date, but they're definitely making it very unpleasant to fly.
Post by: yandmk on October 05, 2020, 10:09:57 PM
How are they going to fill these planes?.
Post by: yochai on October 05, 2020, 10:20:28 PM
.My sister flew DL JFK-TLV last week and had 15 people on the flight. Unbelievable for the week before Sukkos!
Post by: tavster on October 06, 2020, 02:59:37 AM
Very sad to see TLV so empty
Post by: tavster on October 06, 2020, 12:16:46 PM
Incorrect. They're asking people at the airport for proof that they purchased their flight before September 25. I'm not saying it's impossible to forge a ticket for an earlier date, but they're definitely making it very unpleasant to fly.I can confirm.
When I showed up this morning they asked me when I bought my tickets. Told them September 18th (true story). I was ready to show him the receipt but he took my word for it.
And yes, definitely not complicated to edit the date on the PDF of a receipt
Post by: ExGingi on October 06, 2020, 12:53:48 PM
And yes, definitely not complicated to edit the date on the PDF of a receiptObviously
Post by: yandmk on October 06, 2020, 01:28:21 PM
ObviouslyBut in the rare event that you're caught lying, you can be charged with criminal charges (was clearly stated in the warning)
Post by: tavster on October 07, 2020, 06:10:49 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001344842
Most recently he was chairman at Bank Leumi, and successfully managed to decrease the workforce by over 20% while managing decent relationship with the trade unions. Bear in mind that banks' employees have tenure so it was a significant achievement.
IMHO probably the best candidate to deal with LY HR issues
Post by: duvy hochhauser on October 07, 2020, 09:01:56 AM
can i rely on them that they will start to fly after om tov?
Post by: ExGingi on October 07, 2020, 12:48:07 PM
i need ti fly from tlv-ny with my whole family an elal ticket is 100 usd cheaper than united
can i rely on them that they will start to fly after om tov?
Sure
/s
Post by: tavster on October 07, 2020, 12:54:24 PM
If you had to guess what these new destinations might be?? (Besides UAE)
Source:
"El Al's board of directors needs to work together with management to add new destinations, enlarge operations and expand due to the large options and potential that have opened up in aviation after the signing of the peace agreements by the State of Israel with the UAE and Bahrain.
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-rozenberg-names-new-el-al-chairman-and-board-1001344894
Post by: ExGingi on October 07, 2020, 03:44:20 PM
Would be interesting if Rami Levi ends up buying Israir and they too would stop flying on Shabbos.
Post by: nucheiner on October 09, 2020, 11:51:50 AM
Post by: Kobe Bryant on October 12, 2020, 04:18:42 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/0jnvKRw6/IMG-20201012-WA0015.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KzFh4Zx)
Post by: GershonNY on October 12, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
(https://i.postimg.cc/0jnvKRw6/IMG-20201012-WA0015.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0KzFh4Zx)Was this flight for sale or just cargo?
They are flying again?
Post by: chff on October 12, 2020, 07:14:58 PM
Was this flight for sale or just cargo?Sale
They are flying again?
Yes
Cargo only on pax aircraft ended a long time ago
Post by: tavster on October 13, 2020, 11:02:00 AM
Post by: tavster on October 14, 2020, 05:38:18 AM
From what I can tell, LY is restarting LAX, MIA, FRA, AMS, Kiev, Sofia, in addition to the JFK, CDG, ATH which have already restartedhttps://en.globes.co.il/en/article-el-al-restarts-tel-aviv-us-european-routes-1001345636
Post by: efflpetzel on October 14, 2020, 09:50:25 AM
Post by: BarryLincoln on October 14, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
https://www.timesofisrael.com/what-el-als-new-owner-needs-to-do-to-make-airline-soar/Many good points... but surprisingly no mention of an overhaul of its FF program...
Post by: tavster on October 15, 2020, 07:08:32 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001345848
Post by: tavster on October 15, 2020, 12:30:17 PM
@chff is that true?
https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%90%D7%9C-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%94-%D7%9C%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%A9%D7%9C-100-300-%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%A8-%D7%91%D7%98%D7%99/
Post by: yeshivabucher on October 15, 2020, 12:58:57 PM
LY offering $250-$300 discounts to JFKthis is ex-tlv only i presume
@chff is that true?
https://passportnews.co.il/%D7%90%D7%9C-%D7%A2%D7%9C-%D7%9E%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%A2%D7%94-%D7%9C%D7%A1%D7%95%D7%9B%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%9D-%D7%94%D7%A0%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%A9%D7%9C-100-300-%D7%93%D7%95%D7%9C%D7%A8-%D7%91%D7%98%D7%99/
Post by: m65 on October 15, 2020, 03:01:42 PM
about 3 weeks ago i filled out the form for a refund + 30 points.
i got the 30 points into my account and a confirmation email from elal that i should contact the travel agent to complete the refund process.
i spoke to mytrip.com today, and they said the refund is approved by elal, but they havent given them back the money yet.
are they saying the truth? is that really how it works?
is there anything i can do?
thank u
Post by: elya on October 15, 2020, 03:09:52 PM
i booked a ticket on mytrip.com for an elal flight last april which was canceled.They are saying the truth, LY is punting off to agents without actually giving them access to refund.
about 3 weeks ago i filled out the form for a refund + 30 points.
i got the 30 points into my account and a confirmation email from elal that i should contact the travel agent to complete the refund process.
i spoke to mytrip.com today, and they said the refund is approved by elal, but they havent given them back the money yet.
are they saying the truth? is that really how it works?
is there anything i can do?
thank u
Post by: m65 on October 15, 2020, 03:12:09 PM
They are saying the truth, LY is punting off to agents without actually giving them access to refund.will we hear when they release funds, or do i constantly have to be checking?
Post by: bmw on October 15, 2020, 09:29:56 PM
Post by: nucheiner on October 15, 2020, 09:42:39 PM
if i flew one way on a rt elal ticket, can i get a refund for the return leg ? [cancelled by elal]Its unclear how they will calculate the value of this half a ticket. Wouldnt be surprised if they charge you claiming that the oneway is more expensive.
Post by: lifetimedeals on October 15, 2020, 11:44:26 PM
Post by: yochai on October 16, 2020, 12:04:21 AM
if i flew one way on a rt elal ticket, can i get a refund for the return leg ? [cancelled by elal]Had 2 returns canceled, with Virgin Atlantic and Lufthansa. Both gave me way less then half, claiming there are non refundable taxes etc.
Post by: tavster on October 18, 2020, 05:53:08 AM
Both DW and me got extended without asking for it, or being notified
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 03:12:34 AM
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001346120
Post by: tavster on October 19, 2020, 03:16:44 AM
At long last, appointment of new board (members) expected today. Will this be a dawn of a new era for LY?Ive met Brodet a few times. I think he's the best person for the job. Put differently, if he doesn't manage to solve the current HR / culture issues within LY, no one else will, IMHO :)
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001346120
Post by: ExGingi on October 19, 2020, 03:33:45 AM
Ive met Brodet a few times. I think he's the best person for the job. Put differently, if he doesn't manage to solve the current HR / culture issues within LY, no one else will, IMHO :)
And it really boils down to those two issue. Culture (corporate DNA) and HR. Everything else can fall into place once these two fundamental issues are resolved.
Post by: tavster on October 19, 2020, 03:36:50 AM
And it really boils down to those two issue. Culture (corporate DNA) and HR. Everything else can fall into place once these two fundamental issues are resolved.He's successfully tackled these 2 issues at Leumi.
Fired a huge % of employees which technically had tenure, but he found ways. And same thing with culture - they used to go on strike every other day, and he basically sat down with the unions and explain that without change the entire company would go out of business. And it worked
Post by: tavster on October 19, 2020, 11:49:28 AM
At long last, appointment of new board (members) expected today. Will this be a dawn of a new era for LY?Brodet, Ben Zvi, Shalo, Cohen, Greenblat and Englemat just appointed.
https://www.globes.co.il/news/article.aspx?did=1001346120
If I remember correctly they need shareholder assembly to confirm the decision but I might be wrong.
Post by: tavster on October 20, 2020, 11:04:55 AM
https://www.ynet.co.il/economy/article/SJaE48nvP
Luckily I'm counting on the new board to appoint a new ceo asap
Post by: tavster on October 20, 2020, 12:56:00 PM
https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-incoming-el-al-chairman-we-must-restore-customer-confidence-1001346435
"To restore customer confidence is an obligation for all of us, in every role in the company, to create and provide improved value, in an era of growing competition, the day after the Covid-19 virus. We will form genuine new content for customer's expectations and we will realize it in the best possible way. Our aim is that El Al planes will take off on time, arrive on time with security and safety and today in health and all this while providing meticulous and quality service to passengers. We must ensure that El Al will be the first choice of every customer in Israel and in this way we will expand our customer base, with the Jewish people and the entire world."
Post by: YED on October 21, 2020, 01:26:39 PM
Looks like they are proactively extending status by 12 months.Yes, and here you go with the full details (in Hebrew though..)
Both DW and me got extended without asking for it, or being notified
seems like they also extending the expiration deadline for the actual points.
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2020, 11:00:46 PM
Yes, and here you go with the full details (in Hebrew though..)
seems like they also extending the expiration deadline for the actual points.
Looks highly professional with the typo in the CEO's name... ::)
Post by: moe8555 on October 22, 2020, 02:44:52 AM
Looks highly professional with the typo in the CEO's name... ::)
Good grief, I sure hope the new mgmt. is a little more serious. It's exactly this lack of attention to small details (among other things) that reflects the very root of the problem with this company, and many other Israeli companies.
Post by: tavster on October 22, 2020, 02:46:04 AM
Good grief, I sure hope the new mgmt. is a little more serious. It's exactly this lack of attention to small details (among other things) that reflects the very root of the problem with this company, and many other Israeli companies.It's not just an airline, it's Israel 8)