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Title: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: jshelton on October 23, 2015, 09:57:32 AM
any Harry Potter fans? Sadly this is not in the winter but would be amazing to go to if anyone is in London in July... http://www.buzzfeed.com/jemimaskelley/cursed-child?utm_term=.uf1KnBpzAR
Title: Re: Re: London Master Thread
Post by: myb821 on October 23, 2015, 10:40:11 AM
any Harry Potter fans? Sadly this is not in the winter but would be amazing to go to if anyone is in London in July... http://www.buzzfeed.com/jemimaskelley/cursed-child?utm_term=.uf1KnBpzAR
saw that and im jealous
Title: Re: Re: London Master Thread
Post by: Dan on October 23, 2015, 10:45:17 AM
any Harry Potter fans? Sadly this is not in the winter but would be amazing to go to if anyone is in London in July... http://www.buzzfeed.com/jemimaskelley/cursed-child?utm_term=.uf1KnBpzAR
Whoa, darn.

(And if I ever get around to finishing my TR, you'll see some stuff!)
We're waiting :)
Title: Re: Re: London Master Thread
Post by: Yehoshua on October 23, 2015, 11:08:53 AM
any Harry Potter fans? Sadly this is not in the winter but would be amazing to go to if anyone is in London in July... http://www.buzzfeed.com/jemimaskelley/cursed-child?utm_term=.uf1KnBpzAR
Cool! Too bad it wasn't around this past summer.  Here's hoping it goes on tour in the US.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2016, 02:59:00 PM
?lang=en

Then what do you call this JK?
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lJY0fj1M--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/nru7qsp1fywn5onzdcy3.jpg

Unless it's some sort of Rachel Dolezal situation?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: shoobi on June 01, 2016, 04:26:53 PM
?lang=en

Then what do you call this JK?
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--lJY0fj1M--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/nru7qsp1fywn5onzdcy3.jpg

Unless it's some sort of Rachel Dolezal situation?

"White face" could mean scared and nervous in that context.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 01, 2016, 04:34:34 PM
Would you really describe a black person as "very brown" after tanning for a summer?


“They were there, both of them, sitting outside Florean Fortescue’s Ice Cream Parlor — Ron looking incredibly freckly, Hermione very brown, both waving frantically at him.”
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: shoobi on June 01, 2016, 04:37:28 PM
Well, here's some trivia for you: who are the characters that are specifically described as black? (If you use a computer to do a word search, that is cheating and you are disqualified).

I came up with 5 so far...
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 01, 2016, 05:39:32 PM
Well, here's some trivia for you: who are the characters that are specifically described as black? (If you use a computer to do a word search, that is cheating and you are disqualified).

I came up with 5 so far...

I have 6:

1. Lee Jordan
2. Angelina Johnson
3. Kingsley Shackelbolt
4. Blaise Zabini
5. Dean Thomas
6. Alicia Spinnet
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: shoobi on June 01, 2016, 05:40:36 PM
I have 6:

1. Lee Jordan
2. Angelina Johnson
3. Kingsley Shackelbolt
4. Blaise Zabini
5. Dean Thomas
6. Alicia Spinnet

Wow not bad. I was missing Alicia Spinnet
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: shoobi on June 01, 2016, 05:48:54 PM
Another trivia question: who are the 7 characters whose initials are P.P.? This is a friend's question... I got like 5 or 6
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 01, 2016, 06:03:43 PM
Another trivia question: who are the 7 characters whose initials are P.P.? This is a friend's question... I got like 5 or 6

Peter Pettigrew was the only one that jumped out at me.
And the Patil girls.

Who else?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: shoobi on June 01, 2016, 06:12:19 PM
Peter Pettigrew was the only one that jumped out at me.
And the Patil girls.

Who else?

Poppy Pomfrey....
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 01, 2016, 06:16:05 PM
Pansy Parkinson
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: shoobi on June 01, 2016, 06:29:41 PM
The real tricky one in this is the initials of one of the ghosts in Nearly Headless Nick's party in the 2nd book, don't remember his name.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 01, 2016, 07:09:03 PM
How about Peeves the Poltergeist :P
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: farmbochur on June 01, 2016, 07:18:47 PM
Poppy Pomfrey....
For some reason, I always thought Poppy was a nickname for Pomfrey.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Ydad on June 01, 2016, 08:54:38 PM
Dumbledore is gay and Hermione is black. Next thing we know Snape was a Six foot Chinese woman.  ::) ::)
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: grodnoking on June 01, 2016, 09:02:34 PM


Dumbledore is gay and Hermione is black. Next thing we know Snape was a Six foot transgender woman.  ::) ::)
FTFY. Much more likely. Would not even be surprised if that becomes true

Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Ydad on June 01, 2016, 09:10:28 PM
Dumbledore is gay and Hermione is black. Next thing we know Snape was a Six foot Chinese woman.  ::) ::)
 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xfO1veFs6Ho
FTFM
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: SrulyS on June 02, 2016, 02:50:35 PM
How about Peeves the Poltergeist
If that counts so does Prongs Potter
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Welder on June 02, 2016, 03:16:30 PM
What is up with the matching first letter in first and last names?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: wayfe on June 02, 2016, 03:27:29 PM
Dumbledore is gay and Hermione is black. Next thing we know Snape was a Six foot Chinese woman.  ::) ::)

I'm pretty sure JK Rowling admitted that Dumbledore was gay a long time ago.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
I'm pretty sure JK Rowling admitted that Dumbledore was gay a long time ago.
It was a long time after the books were finished.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 02, 2016, 03:45:29 PM
If that counts so does Prongs Potter

ALOL

I'm pretty sure JK Rowling admitted that Dumbledore was gay a long time ago.

Still better than Aberforth :-X
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: wayfe on June 02, 2016, 03:49:01 PM
What is up with the matching first letter in first and last names?

http://harrypotter.answers.wikia.com/wiki/How_many_characters_are_there_with_double_letter_initials
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: wayfe on June 02, 2016, 03:56:04 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2016, 03:59:59 PM
;D
Unless it's some sort of Rachel Dolezal situation?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 02, 2016, 04:47:51 PM
I'll just point out that contextually it means scared, like white with fear. It's super clunky writing, but then if you're interpreting it as actually white due to skin color, that's possibly even more clunky (ie what the heck does that have to do with anything).
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2016, 04:58:06 PM
I'll just point out that contextually it means scared, like white with fear. It's super clunky writing, but then if you're interpreting it as actually white due to skin color, that's possibly even more clunky (ie what the heck does that have to do with anything).
And the "looking very brown" after summer break? Would you say that a black person was looking very brown after a summer?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 02, 2016, 05:24:36 PM
And the "looking very brown" after summer break? Would you say that a black person was looking very brown after a summer?
Honestly, didn't know about that one. That's a stronger case, simply because one might use white to connote fear, or pink to connote embarrassment - she's described that way once or twice as well. Fear and embarrassment are things that can apply to dark skinned people. Tanning is not. (ETA: Well, dark skin can probably technically darken from sun, but it wouldn't be significant enough to spot walking up to the person)

To be honest though, the whole thing is so silly. The original controversy is silly - who cares if a dark skinned person is playing a character that's light skinned! And really that's about as much as JKR should have said. Whether she was correct the actual text allows for the 'Black Hermione' interpretation (which I think the looking very brown quote you mentioned is the nail in the coffin), if she knows she didn't right it that way she shouldn't be playing Twister with it after the fact.

Back to the first quote though (white face), if you assume it was referring to her skin color, what's the point of the adjective in that context at all?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2016, 05:27:23 PM
I think the main issue is the spin JKR is using. Clearly Hermione wasn't written as a black character.
#NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat, but just be honest and say it's a new interpretation or whatever rather than be coy and say it was always that way.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: springles on June 02, 2016, 05:31:12 PM
And the "looking very brown" after summer break? Would you say that a black person was looking very brown after a summer?
She obviously had a white person in mind when writing Hermione.  However, that doesnt mean that a black person cant fill the role, the examples you are giving from the book dont preclude a black actor.  Either way, I dont see why anyone cares. 
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2016, 05:31:58 PM
She obviously had a white person in mind when writing Hermione.  However, that doesnt mean that a black person cant fill the role, the examples you are giving from the book dont preclude a black actor.  Either way, I dont see why anyone cares. 

I think the main issue is the spin JKR is using. Clearly Hermione wasn't written as a black character.
#NotThatTheresAnythingWrongWithThat, but just be honest and say it's a new interpretation or whatever rather than be coy and say it was always that way.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: ChAiM'l on June 02, 2016, 05:39:01 PM
She obviously had a white person in mind when writing Hermione.  However, that doesnt mean that a black person cant fill the role, the examples you are giving from the book dont preclude a black actor.  Either way, I dont see why anyone cares.
No one cares about it being a black character. Heck, people wouldn't have minded if Harry Potter himself was written as a black character.

It's the pandering to SJWs that people care about. The same SJWs who want the next James Bond actor to be a female.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Brian93 on June 02, 2016, 06:19:30 PM
I'll just point out that contextually it means scared, like white with fear. It's super clunky writing, but then if you're interpreting it as actually white due to skin color, that's possibly even more clunky (ie what the heck does that have to do with anything).
"white with fear " is not an description I would ever use to describe a scared black person.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 02, 2016, 06:51:12 PM
"white with fear " is not an description I would ever use to describe a scared black person.
Okay... that doesn't mean it's not used that way.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 02, 2016, 07:03:27 PM
No one cares about it being a black character. Heck, people wouldn't have minded if Harry Potter himself was written as a black character.

It's the pandering to SJWs that people care about. The same SJWs who want the next James Bond actor to be a female.
To be fair, I don't think that was the actual sequence of events. The black actress was cast for the play, and fans began complaining about it right away. So obviously those people need to get a life right of the bat. But I totally agree that the next part, JKR's response, was pathetic pandering.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Zman613 on June 02, 2016, 07:27:47 PM
Btw u can't bring a raaya from book 3 for anything because the whole book doesn't make sense
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Welder on June 02, 2016, 07:29:04 PM
Btw u can't bring a raaya from book 3 for anything because the whole book doesn't make sense
+1 ALOL
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: sguitarist18 on June 02, 2016, 08:22:49 PM
I'll just point out that contextually it means scared, like white with fear. It's super clunky writing, but then if you're interpreting it as actually white due to skin color, that's possibly even more clunky (ie what the heck does that have to do with anything).

Contextually, it means a white person being scared. Because a Caucasian person can turn so pale that they look, uh...white.

And as an aside, you can certainly have a black actress portraying Hermione, but that's artistic license, it's not canon. And when you try to pass it off as canon, it becomes an exercise in pure PC.

Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 02, 2016, 08:27:27 PM
Contextually, it means a white person being scared. Because a Caucasian person can turn so pale that they look, uh...white.

And as an aside, you can certainly have a black actress portraying Hermione, but that's artistic license, it's not canon. And when you try to pass it off as canon, it becomes an exercise in pure PC.

She hasn't said it's canon.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 02, 2016, 08:28:44 PM
She hasn't said it's canon.
She's saying that Hermione in the book could have been black.
Except she can't without a very tortured reading of the books.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 02, 2016, 08:30:50 PM
She's saying that Hermione in the book could have been black.
Except she can't without a very tortured reading of the books.

I agree with that; I'm just pointing out that this is incorrect, she's not saying its canon:

And when you try to pass it off as canon, it becomes an exercise in pure PC.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 02, 2016, 08:37:56 PM
Contextually, it means a white person being scared. Because a Caucasian person can turn so pale that they look, uh...white.
I disagree with your limitation in the usage. That's what you'd call the etymology of the phrase, it doesn't have to define it. I still think it's canon that she's white, just not necessarily from there alone.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: sguitarist18 on June 03, 2016, 12:31:41 AM
I agree with that; I'm just pointing out that this is incorrect, she's not saying its canon:

She's saying you can fit it into the canon - which at best, is only possible with
a very tortured reading of the books.

I disagree with your limitation in the usage. That's what you'd call the etymology of the phrase, it doesn't have to define it. I still think it's canon that she's white, just not necessarily from there alone.

That's an interesting idea. Can you give an example of a good author that uses that phrase to describe a black person being scared? I don't think the phrase has reached the point of being a synonym for "scared," but I'm willing to accept that I might be wrong.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: springles on June 03, 2016, 12:36:04 AM
She's saying that Hermione in the book could have been black.
Except she can't without a very tortured reading of the books.
I wouldnt say a very tortured reading.  Its a couple of lines that suggest that shes white out of the thousands of pages in the series. 
That being said, I do agree that she handled it poorly.  could have easily just said that its an interpretation. 
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: yakrot on June 03, 2016, 01:24:21 AM
How come no one mentioned that hermione's parents were dentists I for one have never met a black dentist
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 03, 2016, 01:32:34 AM
How come no one mentioned that hermione's parents were dentists I for one have never met a black dentist

White witches, on the other hand ;)....
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: yakrot on June 03, 2016, 01:34:08 AM
White witches, on the other hand ;)....
Well being dentists is from an aspect of the book that is supposed to be understood by those in the non magical world
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: 3yummyboys on June 03, 2016, 06:27:43 AM
How come no one mentioned that hermione's parents were dentists I for one have never met a black dentist

ALOL!

I'm sick of everyone bending over backwards to be PC and inclusive and all. Just be real. I have no problem with a black actor but you can't say that hermoine was originally imagined as black. Skin color shouldn't matter either way, but JK shouldn't have to pretend that some of the characters may be black (or purple, or green, or rainbow colored)
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: beeweegee on June 03, 2016, 07:24:51 AM
How come no one mentioned that hermione's parents were dentists I for one have never met a black dentist
http://www.dentistryiq.com/articles/wdj/2004/02/dentistry-in-the-african-american-community.html
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 06, 2016, 10:31:07 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/jun/05/harry-potter-jk--rowling-black-hermione

Quote
While the vast majority of people responded positively to the casting decision, Rowling said: “I had a bunch of racists telling me that because Hermione ‘turned white’ – that is, lost colour from her face after a shock – that she must be a white woman, which I have a great deal of difficulty with. But I decided not to get too agitated about it and simply state quite firmly that Hermione can be a black woman with my absolute blessing and enthusiasm.”
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2016, 10:37:08 PM
Racists  :o ::)
And she ignores the "very brown" description.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 06, 2016, 10:38:21 PM
Wow. She's really handling this poorly.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 06, 2016, 10:42:58 PM
Wow. She's really handling this poorly.
It's ridiculous.
99% of people couldn't care less if the actress is black or white. Just admit that it's a new interpretation vis-a-vis the books and movies rather than try to make it fit in when it doesn't.
She just keeps digging herself in deeper.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: sguitarist18 on June 07, 2016, 04:02:20 PM
The scary part is that the majority of the world probably supports her on this.

Not scary because of the impact on the Harry Potter saga, but scary because of what it says about the world we live in.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: David Smith on June 07, 2016, 04:06:06 PM
Next week, Hermione is gonna be a male.

Just because there are a hundred episodes of her going out with a boy, going into the girls bathroom, and generally being described as a female doesn't mean nuttin', you discriminatory pigs!
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 07, 2016, 04:06:39 PM
The scary part is that the majority of the world probably supports her on this.

Not scary because of the impact on the Harry Potter saga, but scary because of what it says about the world we live in.

And what does it say about the world we live in?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: David Smith on June 07, 2016, 04:09:28 PM
And what does it say about the world we live in?
That political correctness trumps intelligence and common sense. These are the same people that would faster molest a grandma in the airport than a 25 year old male Arab.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 07, 2016, 04:11:52 PM
Next week, Hermione is gonna be a male.

Just because there are a hundred episodes of her going out with a boy, going into the girls bathroom, and generally being described as a female doesn't mean nuttin', you discriminatory pigs!
Nah, Hermione is clearly a dragon. Nowhere did it say anything to contradict that.
http://www.vice.com/en_au/read/what-does-it-mean-to-be-trans-species
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: stbaum on June 07, 2016, 04:25:28 PM
Hermoine does have crazy kinky hair to help support the "Hermione is black" trend

just adding kindle to the fire  ;D
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 07, 2016, 04:26:14 PM
Hermoine does have crazy kinky hair to help support the "Hermione is black" trend

just adding kindle to the fire  ;D
That was in the original tweet from JKR that sparked the whole commotion.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: David Smith on June 07, 2016, 04:27:55 PM
Hermoine does have crazy kinky hair to help support the "Hermione is black" trend

just adding kindle to the fire  ;D
You racist! Calling black hair kinky!!!
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: cholent on June 07, 2016, 04:41:23 PM
I read it differently. "Can be" black is different than "is" black. She's just saying that this interpretation is not completely ruled out by the canon. I don't read either of her posts as meaning Hermione was originally written as a black girl.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 07, 2016, 04:42:42 PM
That political correctness trumps intelligence and common sense. These are the same people that would faster molest a grandma in the airport than a 25 year old male Arab.

Huh?  How does PC have anything to do with taking artistic liberties and possibly not sticking to an exact canonical interpretation?  Maybe you can claim that we're too into being inclusive, but it's her story (even if she claims it's everyone's), and if it doesn't bother her, I'm not sure why people are making a big hoopla about it. 
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: jshelton on June 08, 2016, 10:33:12 AM
so did anyone actually buy tickets or is anyone here going to see the play? (or did anyone buy tickets for resale)
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: stbaum on June 08, 2016, 10:34:09 AM
so did anyone actually buy tickets or is anyone here going to see the play? (or did anyone buy tickets for resale)

i wouldn't even if i was in London or if it was here on Broadway. i am VERY excited about Fantastic Beasts though!!!
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: cholent on June 08, 2016, 10:47:55 AM
i wouldn't even if i was in London or if it was here on Broadway. i am VERY excited about Fantastic Beasts though!!!

Why not?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: sguitarist18 on June 08, 2016, 10:53:28 AM
That political correctness trumps intelligence and common sense.

That. And also trumps reality.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: stbaum on June 08, 2016, 10:57:01 AM
Why not?

i don't really like live theatre
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: sguitarist18 on June 08, 2016, 10:57:46 AM
Huh?  How does PC have anything to do with taking artistic liberties and possibly not sticking to an exact canonical interpretation?  Maybe you can claim that we're too into being inclusive, but it's her story (even if she claims it's everyone's), and if it doesn't bother her, I'm not sure why people are making a big hoopla about it.

No one has any problem with her taking artistic liberties. The problem is that that she says she's not doing that.

I read it differently. "Can be" black is different than "is" black. She's just saying that this interpretation is not completely ruled out by the canon. I don't read either of her posts as meaning Hermione was originally written as a black girl.

That is kind of the issue - a normal reading of canon would seem to say that Hermione is white. Again, for those who say (including JK Rowling) that it's just an expression, please show me a good author who uses the expression to refer to a black person being scared, simply as a turn of phrase.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: cholent on June 08, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
No one has any problem with her taking artistic liberties. The problem is that that she says she's not doing that.

That is kind of the issue - a normal reading of canon would seem to say that Hermione is white. Again, for those who say (including JK Rowling) that it's just an expression, please show me a good author who uses the expression to refer to a black person being scared, simply as a turn of phrase.
I think people are getting way too worked up about this. What's the big deal if Hermione is black? Yes, those two quotes about the white face and looking very brown make canonical support for black Hermione a bit tortured, but frankly using those two to say that black Hermione is definitively ruled out by canon is also overdoing it. JKR hasn't said in any of her statements that Hermione was always black, which would be ridiculous. She's just saying that there is some wiggle room to interpret that way while technically remaining within canon. Fans wondered what her opinion was and so she provided it!
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 08, 2016, 11:05:34 AM
Which is exactly what taking artistic liberties implies.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Ydad on June 08, 2016, 11:06:14 AM
I think people are getting way too worked up about this. What's the big deal if Hermione is black? Yes, those two quotes about the white face and looking very brown make canonical support for black Hermione a bit tortured, but frankly using those two to say that black Hermione is definitively ruled out by canon is also overdoing it. JKR hasn't said in any of her statements that Hermione was always black, which would be ridiculous. She's just saying that there is some wiggle room to interpret that way while technically remaining within canon. Fans wondered what her opinion was and so she provided it!
You are surprised people suspect her agenda?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 08, 2016, 11:16:25 AM
You are surprised people suspect her agenda?

Agenda?  First it's political correctness and now she has an agenda?  What may that be?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: David Smith on June 08, 2016, 12:13:33 PM
I think people are getting way too worked up about this. What's the big deal if Hermione is black? Yes, those two quotes about the white face and looking very brown make canonical support for black Hermione a bit tortured, but frankly using those two to say that black Hermione is definitively ruled out by canon is also overdoing it. JKR hasn't said in any of her statements that Hermione was always black, which would be ridiculous. She's just saying that there is some wiggle room to interpret that way while technically remaining within canon. Fans wondered what her opinion was and so she provided it!

Agenda?  First it's political correctness and now she has an agenda?  What may that be?

Nobody could really care less if she is or isn't black. The fact is that the book was originally written with her as a white girl. The fact that Rowling feels a pressure to portray her as a black, against the original reality, is what is bothering people.

 This is the same pressure that people feel to ignore black on black crime, in fear of looking racist, or the fear people have of pulling over a Muslim in the airport, as not to look like a profiler. People just want to forget what color they are.

 Whether a black person shoots a black person or a white person shoots a black person, a person shot a person. Why do black lives only matter if it was taken by a white? Lives matter, period. College acceptance should be based on most eligible, regardless of ethnicity, religion, color, and gender. 

Affirmative action, otherwise known as reverse racism, is what is bothering people for the same reason that racism should. The dream equality is being quashed by this, as is basic safety. People just want to ignore people's color and judge then based on the person they actually are, but these activists aren't letting that happen.

People are still being discriminated based on their color. If Hermione is white, let her stay white. Why is that a crime? This is what's bothering people.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 08, 2016, 02:23:24 PM
Nobody could really care less if she is or isn't black. The fact is that the book was originally written with her as a white girl. The fact that Rowling feels a pressure to portray her as a black, against the original reality, is what is bothering people.

 This is the same pressure that people feel to ignore black on black crime, in fear of looking racist, or the fear people have of pulling over a Muslim in the airport, as not to look like a profiler. People just want to forget what color they are.

 Whether a black person shoots a black person or a white person shoots a black person, a person shot a person. Why do black lives only matter if it was taken by a white? Lives matter, period. College acceptance should be based on most eligible, regardless of ethnicity, religion, color, and gender. 

Affirmative action, otherwise known as reverse racism, is what is bothering people for the same reason that racism should. The dream equality is being quashed by this, as is basic safety. People just want to ignore people's color and judge then based on the person they actually are, but these activists aren't letting that happen.

People are still being discriminated based on their color. If Hermione is white, let her stay white. Why is that a crime? This is what's bothering people.

Nobody is being discriminated against.  They sought an actor to play a part, and they cast one - who by all accounts - is phenomenal.  If JK had a problem, I'm certain they would have made other arrangements, but she didn't.  And where has there been any mention of her being "pressured?"

If reverse racism is prevalent, this is a poor metaphorical example to stand on to protest it. 

I personally feel that the people who are bothered by the choice have a deeper issue to resolve. 
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 08, 2016, 02:27:43 PM
I disagree. Had JK come out and said I'm shaking things up a bit or taking artistic license I wouldn't have any issue.
The books clearly depict her as white unless you take a very tortured read of them and the movies only back that up. That she won't admit that is what's ruffling feathers.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Aaaron on June 08, 2016, 02:36:31 PM
I disagree.  Even if she would have said that people would still be pissed.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: stbaum on June 08, 2016, 02:39:18 PM
I disagree.  Even if she would have said that people would still be pissed.

whereas now....?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on June 08, 2016, 02:41:12 PM
I disagree.  Even if she would have said that people would still be pissed.
Some, but far fewer IMHO.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: sguitarist18 on June 08, 2016, 04:04:36 PM
I disagree. Had JK come out and said I'm shaking things up a bit or taking artistic license I wouldn't have any issue.
The books clearly depict her as white unless you take a very tortured read of them and the movies only back that up. That she won't admit that is what's ruffling feathers.
Exactly - some people will always find a reason to be angry. Look, let's face it - some people are racists.

But I think most people would have been fine had she said something like, "I'm really excited about this fresh new take on Hermione, and I'm really happy and proud that they chose to express their story in the way that felt right to them."
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2016, 11:12:57 AM
Via FM,
"The story was good, but not great.  I’m hoping that the book will be better on that score.  But, the biggest problem with the story probably can’t be fixed in a book.  I can’t say much about this without spoiling the story – suffice to say that it seems as if some of the rules of magic established in the original series seem to have been broken in this round."
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: springles on July 18, 2016, 01:40:54 PM
Via FM,
"The story was good, but not great.  I’m hoping that the book will be better on that score.  But, the biggest problem with the story probably can’t be fixed in a book.  I can’t say much about this without spoiling the story – suffice to say that it seems as if some of the rules of magic established in the original series seem to have been broken in this round."
That would be a cardinal sin.  Forget casting a black hermione, changing the rules of how magic works is basically rewriting the entire series
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on July 18, 2016, 01:41:22 PM
Agreed. Not cool.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: 3yummyboys on August 03, 2016, 06:57:23 AM
Anyone read it?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: yitrap on August 03, 2016, 08:08:30 AM
Anyone read it?
Yes. I personally loved it. It's not JK Rowling style of writing at all but it's extremely captivating.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: MosheD on August 03, 2016, 09:18:23 AM
Yes. I personally loved it. It's not JK Rowling style of writing at all but it's extremely captivating.
Are the rules of Magic changed?
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: yitrap on August 03, 2016, 12:29:24 PM
Are the rules of Magic changed?
In a certain way, she changes the way a concept that existed in the 3rd book works. But for the regular magic like spells and wands - no.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: springles on August 03, 2016, 01:07:32 PM
In a certain way, she changes the way a concept that existed in the 3rd book works. But for the regular magic like spells and wands - no.
is this regarding time travel? I haven't read it yet but saw an article that discussed this
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: yitrap on August 03, 2016, 01:09:09 PM
is this regarding time travel? I haven't read it yet but saw an article that discussed this
Yes.
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on August 03, 2016, 01:19:32 PM
That's always been an outlier, which opened tons of questions about the entire universe.

Specifically from 2:40:


Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: stbaum on August 03, 2016, 01:34:42 PM
is this regarding time travel? I haven't read it yet but saw an article that discussed this

i think it's about traveling to alternate universes
Title: Re: Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: dealfinder85 on August 03, 2016, 02:16:12 PM
is this regarding time travel? I haven't read it yet but saw an article that discussed this
link?
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on August 03, 2016, 06:48:09 PM
Wow. This makes me want to read it even less now ::).

Spoilers, obviously:

http://io9.gizmodo.com/the-9-most-wtf-moments-in-harry-potter-and-the-cursed-1784685746

Title: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: yakrot on August 03, 2016, 11:05:49 PM
I'm halfway through the book.... It's addicting

Edit: I'm done, any questions ;)
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on October 28, 2016, 03:54:46 PM
Finally read the book.

It was good, but it changes her whole take on time travel. Now it's more like Back to the Future's take on time travel.
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: wayfe on October 29, 2016, 07:48:09 PM
Read the book over YT and absolutely hated it.

It didn't have any of the wit, charm, meticulous plot planning, or lovable characters that made the other books so popular.

Hate to think of JKR this way, but she just seems to be milking the HP name...
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: lubaby on November 16, 2016, 02:53:12 PM
Harry Potter can't tell the difference between his cooking pot and his best mate. They're both cauldron.
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on June 21, 2017, 12:56:59 AM
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12013120/1/Herschel-Pinter

Lemaisa, it's ah shtarka vort and a gitta zach to read.
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Welder on June 21, 2017, 01:05:13 AM
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12013120/1/Herschel-Pinter

Lemaisa, it's ah shtarka vort and a gitta zach to read.

Haha, good stuff
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: skyguy918 on June 21, 2017, 01:07:48 AM
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12013120/1/Herschel-Pinter

Lemaisa, it's ah shtarka vort and a gitta zach to read.
Al derech Frumspeak:
https://books.google.com/books?id=bTLFAAAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false
(Specifically the 'literary selections')
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on July 25, 2017, 09:34:33 AM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/millennials-are-turning-to-harry-potter-for-meaning-thats-a-mistake/2017/07/24/ca0a7f42-7097-11e7-9eac-d56bd5568db8_story.html

B"H there's a reason to go to shul ::). So sad.
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: @Yehuda on July 25, 2017, 11:35:09 AM
Just finished all 7 again. 20 years later, and I still cannot stop turning the pages.
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Dan on September 01, 2017, 02:01:40 PM
https://twitter.com/hashtag/19yearslater?src=tren&data_id=tweet%3A903525802138054657
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on September 01, 2017, 02:12:34 PM
I asked Enterprise about this a few years ago and they said they had no partners.

Too emotional :'(
Title: Re: {Spoiler Alert} Harry Potter And The Cursed Child In London
Post by: Something Fishy on September 01, 2017, 02:13:03 PM
Oops. That's some typo.