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Title: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: avromie7 on September 03, 2016, 10:38:25 PM
Anyone else think this thing sounds like a massive scam?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: lfas25 on September 03, 2016, 10:40:18 PM
Anyone else think this thing sounds like a massive scam?
Yes it sounds like a scam
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on September 03, 2016, 10:42:28 PM
Yes it sounds like a scam
Why? If u read the fine print, ull see that its not tax deductible
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: lfas25 on September 03, 2016, 10:43:54 PM
Why? If u read the fine print, ull see that its not tax deductible
Most scams sound good..
I have no idea if it actually is but I spoke to several people about it and they all think it's a scam.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 03, 2016, 10:46:03 PM
Yes it sounds like a scam
what type of scam is it?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on September 03, 2016, 10:46:06 PM
Most scams sound good..
I have no idea if it actually is but I spoke to several people about it and they all think it's a scam.
Most people save more by getting tax breaks, unless ur able to pay off a full year in advance, then maybe ull save. I don't see how so many stored cud support it, for it to be a scam, (although it may not be as good as they make it sound)
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: lfas25 on September 03, 2016, 10:52:40 PM
Most people save more by getting tax breaks, unless ur able to pay off a full year in advance, then maybe ull save. I don't see how so many stored cud support it, for it to be a scam, (although it may not be as good as they make it sound)
Double check that the stores are actually supporting it. I heard from one that they sponsored the printing of the signs... So he put them on.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: aygart on September 03, 2016, 10:57:54 PM
State of emergency. It's just gonna be a little rainy..
There are many parts of ocean county other than Lakewood you know. The biggest issue is likely to be storm surge at the shore. Here it will probably be windy with maybe some rain.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 03, 2016, 10:58:43 PM


Most people save more by getting tax breaks, unless ur able to pay off a full year in advance, then maybe ull save.
Tuition is not tax deductible.

1) why did signs go up only last minute?
2) why doesn't it have any connection to any schools of that's who it will help?
3) who is paying all this money?
4) why do they need 12 months to pay?
5) why doesn't it explain which IRS rules say it can't be tax deductible?
6) what's in it for the guy behind it?

There are many more unanswered questions
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on September 03, 2016, 11:05:31 PM
Tuition is not tax deductible.

1) why did signs go up only last minute?
2) why doesn't it have any connection to any schools of that's who it will help?
3) who is paying all this money?
4) why do they need 12 months to pay?
5) why doesn't it explain which IRS rules say it can't be tax deductible?
6) what's in it for the guy behind it?

There are many more unanswered questions
I don't have answers to any of ur questions, and I'm maskim it sounds shady, I just have one question, how are there so many stores on board?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:06:30 PM
Anyone else think this thing sounds like a massive scam?
I actually met the founder of BOGO loyalty over the summer. His program is unique and outside the box thinking. Don't know if it will work or not, but the concept is definitely interesting.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 03, 2016, 11:07:02 PM
I don't have answers to any of ur questions, and I'm maskim it sounds shady, I just have one question, how are there so many stores on board?
Did you confirm that they really are? How do you know he's didn't just make them up?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 03, 2016, 11:07:51 PM
I actually met the founder of BOGO loyalty over the summer. His program is unique and outside the box thinking. Don't know if it will work or not, but the concept is definitely interesting.
Can you explain how it's supposed to work? Right now nothing makes sense.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on September 03, 2016, 11:07:56 PM
Did you confirm that they really are? How do you know he's didn't just make them up?
That's a new level of azus to post all those stores, but I guess u cud be right
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:09:33 PM
Can you explain how it's supposed to work? Right now nothing makes sense.
When I get to a computer with a keyboard I will explain what I understand it is, unless someone else will do so before. I would probably also have to check if I am not under NDA.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 03, 2016, 11:17:43 PM
Anyone who give these people money deserves to lose it.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Chief Rabbi of New York on September 03, 2016, 11:19:06 PM
Tuition is not tax deductible.

1) why did signs go up only last minute?
2) why doesn't it have any connection to any schools of that's who it will help?
3) who is paying all this money?
4) why do they need 12 months to pay?
5) why doesn't it explain which IRS rules say it can't be tax deductible?
6) what's in it for the guy behind it?

There are many more unanswered questions


if someone lets me know where the chief rabbi of new jersey is i would like to speak to him about this.
im thinking its probably an investor? he takes a whole sum of money at the beginning of the year. invests the money and pays each school over 12 months, or he just leaves the country with all that money ?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 03, 2016, 11:20:46 PM
When I get to a computer with a keyboard I will explain what I understand it is, unless someone else will do so before. I would probably also have to check if I am not under NDA.
NDA. Il disclose for you.  This it how it works: The genius founder is an amazing investor. (Better than Bernie Madoff) He knows how to triple funds in thirty days!
He will take the lump sum, triple it and pay out the schools slowly.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 03, 2016, 11:22:51 PM
When I get to a computer with a keyboard I will explain what I understand it is, unless someone else will do so before. I would probably also have to check if I am not under NDA.
These things are usually very complex. Probably forex reverse swaptions or something.. Just give him the money and everything will work out. Don't sweat the details.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on September 03, 2016, 11:25:36 PM
Anyone else think this thing sounds like a massive scam?
His link indicates that he's trying to raise money for the cause.

https://www.youcaring.com/familes-struggling-to-pay-tuition-631784

Zvi Boglminski is the name on there. Cant find him on smartlist.

Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 03, 2016, 11:29:06 PM
It's zvi bogomilsky partner with schiener?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on September 03, 2016, 11:30:28 PM
It's zvi bogomilsky partner with schiener?
Its a joke name. "Bogo"milsky. Like Made-off.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:31:53 PM
NDA. Il disclose for you.  This it how it works: The genius founder is an amazing investor. (Better than Bernie Madoff) He knows how to triple funds in thirty days!
He will take the lump sum, triple it and pay out the schools slowly.
You are clueless.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on September 03, 2016, 11:32:31 PM
You are clueless.
Mods, can you merge with sungames?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:37:20 PM
It's zvi bogomilsky partner with schiener?
I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 03, 2016, 11:42:56 PM
I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
Ahh, by creating money out of thin air...

Makes sense.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:44:01 PM
I am not endorsing BOGO loyalty. But I did have a conversation with the founder and see lots of potential in it.

All of the naysayers here remind me of the initial reactions were to the Allstate mispriced Whole Life insurance for young girls on DDF. Bottom line it was a real deal and those that managed to get in locked themselves with unbelievable safe money returns (though on relatively small amounts).
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 03, 2016, 11:45:22 PM
Care to share any real information?

Or are people supposed to just send the guy thousands of dollars tomorrow and pray their their tuition bill is taken care of?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:46:58 PM
Ahh, by creating money out of thin air...

Makes sense.
Are MR or UR points (or airline miles) created out of thin air, or does someone pay for them?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:47:53 PM
Care to share any real information?

Or are people supposed to just send the guy thousands of dollars tomorrow and pray their their tuition bill is taken care of?
I have no clue about what's going on tomorrow. I do know about BOGO loyalty.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on September 03, 2016, 11:49:32 PM
His link indicates that he's trying to raise money for the cause.

https://www.youcaring.com/familes-struggling-to-pay-tuition-631784

Zvi Boglminski is the name on there. Cant find him on smartlist.
He's prob not on smart list bc he lives in Miami
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:52:26 PM
AFAIK he is a NJ resident (not Lakewood)
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: yakrot on September 03, 2016, 11:54:00 PM
AFAIK he is a NJ resident (not Lakewood)
Then there must be two Tzvi bogomilskys.  The one that is scheiners partner lives in fl
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 03, 2016, 11:55:20 PM
I figured it out. You give him $5,000 and he buys UR and MR with the money.
Then he uses the points to sell $20k worth of first class tickets for an unbelievable $15k profit,
He pays the school 10k and he's left with 10k.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on September 03, 2016, 11:56:11 PM
I have no clue about what's going on tomorrow. I do know about BOGO loyalty.
What's bogo loyalty?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:57:55 PM
Then there must be two Tzvi bogomilskys.  The one that is scheiners partner lives in fl
Now that you mention it, he might have a cousin by the same name, but I met the guy behind BOGO loyalty (introduced by a common friend) and AFAIK he is a NJ resident.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 03, 2016, 11:59:09 PM
I figured it out. You give him $5,000 and he buys UR and MR with the money.
Then he uses the points to sell $20k worth of first class tickets for an unbelievable $15k profit,
He pays the school 10k and he's left with 10k.
Your analysis is Yuneeqly wrong.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 04, 2016, 12:01:13 AM
Your analysis is Yuneeqly wrong.

It was a joke.
Everyone knows how much money travel agents make.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: David Smith on September 04, 2016, 12:05:29 AM


Everyone knows how much money travel agents make.
-1
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:12:49 AM

All of the naysayers here remind me of the initial reactions were to the Allstate mispriced Whole Life insurance for young girls on DDF. Bottom line it was a real deal and those that managed to get in locked themselves with unbelievable safe money returns (though on relatively small amounts).
The naysayers here remind me of the initial reaction to sungames. Those people saved themselves from losing thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 12:12:53 AM
It was a joke.
Everyone knows how much money travel agents make.
I got that, but couldn't resist the pun  :D
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 12:12:57 AM
You are clueless.
Quit while you're ahead.
 I don't know your relationship with zvi, but I do know that you are sophisticated enough to know that promising %100+ returns, to people struggling to pay tuition, under the guise of "chessed" is despicable.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on September 04, 2016, 12:13:51 AM
-1

Went right over your head
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:14:18 AM
Care to share any real information?

Or are people supposed to just send the guy thousands of dollars tomorrow and pray their their tuition bill is taken care of?
+1
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 12:16:51 AM
The naysayers here remind me of the initial reaction to sungames. Those people saved themselves from losing thousands of dollars.
I know absolutely nothing about sungames, but in this specific case I would suggest a simple solution: ask your school if they will accept/endorse this. If they say yes, so essentially they are saying that by paying $1,000 to this campaign they will take $2,000 off your tuition bill.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 12:17:34 AM
I have no clue about what's going on tomorrow. I do know about BOGO loyalty.
Tomorrow is when the magic happens. Anyone stupid enough to send thousands into the blogosphere will be lucky enough to be the recipient of a promise to double the money.  In reality though, they will simply lose everything.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 12:18:30 AM
I know absolutely nothing about sungames, but in this specific case I would suggest a simple solution: ask your school if they will accept/endorse this. If they say yes, so essentially they are saying that by paying $1,000 to this campaign they will take $2,000 off your tuition bill.
The schools don't know anything about this. How could they promise that if I donate half my tuition bill to BOGO then they won't charge me any tuition this year?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:19:07 AM
I know absolutely nothing about sungames, but in this specific case I would suggest a simple solution: ask your school if they will accept/endorse this. If they say yes, so essentially they are saying that by paying $1,000 to this campaign they will take $2,000 off your tuition bill.
Is there a list of participating schools?

And btw, many yeshivas "participated" in sungames. It didn't help anyone anything. The yeshivas lost out,  and the people who gave money lost out.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 12:20:03 AM
I know absolutely nothing about sungames, but in this specific case I would suggest a simple solution: ask your school if they will accept/endorse this. If they say yes, so essentially they are saying that by paying $1,000 to this campaign they will take $2,000 off your tuition bill.
No school has or will endorse it. A few poor souls may lose money.
 I doubt anyone will send money . But judging by how Zvi managed to sell you the Brooklyn bridge... He may be real good on the phone...
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 12:23:48 AM
Quit while you're ahead.
 I don't know your relationship with zvi, but I do know that you are sophisticated enough to know that promising %100+ returns, to people struggling to pay tuition, under the guise of "chessed" is despicable.
As I said earlier. I am familiar with the BOGO loyalty program and see potential in it. I spent some time with Zvi over it a couple of weeks ago and haven't heard back from him since.

I don't know what he's planning with this matching funds campaign, this is not something he ever shared with me, and I won't speculate about it. However, I think my suggestion above is valid: If your school will accept it that way, what can you lose? If they won't, call BOGO loyalty (he's giving an address and phone number IIANM) and challenge him.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 12:26:12 AM
No school has or will endorse it. A few poor souls may lose money.
 I doubt anyone will send money . But judging by how Zvi managed to sell you the Brooklyn bridge... He may be real good on the phone...
I actually met him in person.

Check before you post. I am not saying that any school has or will endorse this, but will it hurt to ask. Zvi claimed to have a close relationship with the Lakewood Cheder.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 12:30:58 AM
I actually met him in person..
Ahh, that changes everything. This seems legit. Where can I send my money?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:32:07 AM
I am not saying that any school has or will endorse this, but will it hurt to ask. Zvi claimed to have a close relationship with the Lakewood Cheder.
Didn't he burn them last time around?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 12:34:02 AM
Didn't he burn them last time around?
Hence the 'close' relationship.... :o
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:34:24 AM
I actually met him in person.
That was understood. He said that if he sold you the brklyn bridge in person, he must be very good over the phone as well.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 12:38:04 AM
I actually met him in person.

Check before you post. I am not saying that any school has or will endorse this, but will it hurt to ask. Zvi claimed to have a close relationship with the Lakewood Cheder.
Whether or not he manages to con a school admin by promising/giving them a stack of cash is irrelevant. Even if this happens it won't legitimize him.

Scamming a mossad is arguably worse than just scamming struggling parents.

Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 12:40:21 AM
does anyone know first hand what this is all about or is everyone just speculating what this might be?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 04, 2016, 12:42:36 AM
does anyone know first hand what this is all about or is everyone just speculating what this might be?
I was just told by someone I know that his brother who is very involved with the cheder (who you and I know) just asked Rabbi Posen about it and he knows nothing.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 12:44:56 AM
I was just told by someone I know that his brother who is very involved with the cheder (who you and I know) just asked Rabbi Posen about it and he knows nothing.
im not trying to defend I'm just saying that no one here knows what this is about...may well be a scam but I haven't heard any first hand info as to what this is about..
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 04, 2016, 12:46:06 AM
im not trying to defend I'm just saying that no one here knows what this is about...may well be a scam but I haven't heard any first hand info about what this is about..
There in lies the issue and especially if Rabbi Posen from the cheder knows nothing about it
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 12:52:07 AM
im not trying to defend I'm just saying that no one here knows what this is about...may well be a scam but I haven't heard any first hand info as to what this is about..
Why doesn't anyone PUTPAC?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 12:55:15 AM
Why doesn't anyone PUTPAC?
you said he has a close relationship with the cheder but supposedly rabbi Posen knows nothing about this?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on September 04, 2016, 01:07:00 AM
Where's the guy who always says: impossible.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 01:12:28 AM
you said he has a close relationship with the cheder but supposedly rabbi Posen knows nothing about this?
Which is why I am saying PUTPAC. You heard a third or fourth hand account that Rabbi Posen doesn't know. Why not get a first hand answer?

As I said, I don't know what this is all about (and I won't speculate). I do know what the BOGO loyalty concept is. I sincerely hope that whatever this specific campaign is about is actually מיט הענט און פיס or else he might be hurting the BOGO loyalty concept.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on September 04, 2016, 01:20:47 AM
Isn't he the guy that intruduced Ambit to all the yeshivas in Lakewood a few years ago?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Deal Guy on September 04, 2016, 01:23:58 AM
This isn't some rewards program combining Viridian, Ambit, Lyoness, Plenti ect? Where he will take your money and invest it, and "hopefully" make enough money to be able to "maybe" pay back double for your tuition?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: cholent on September 04, 2016, 01:41:45 AM
Anyone else think this thing sounds like a massive scam?
Which publication was this in, and page number?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: shulem92 on September 04, 2016, 01:54:53 AM
Which publication was this in, and page number?
I saw it in the shopper. Don't recall the page #
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 04, 2016, 09:26:50 AM
Isn't he the guy that intruduced Ambit to all the yeshivas in Lakewood a few years ago?
Yes and then everyone got screwed by ambit surge pricing.
I just spoke to the guy who asked Rabbi Posen, and he said Rabbi Posen didn't want to talk about it and just said I don't know
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: asd on September 04, 2016, 09:51:53 AM
The cheder just sent out a message that they have nothing to do with this bogo.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 09:52:04 AM
Quick only in 10 minutes we could get screwed by a con man...who's in???
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Toasted on September 04, 2016, 10:14:01 AM
Quick only in 10 minutes we could get screwed by a con man...who's in???
Hand me the money and I'll triple it. And it's tax deductible.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 10:19:04 AM
Hand me the money and I'll triple it. And it's tax deductible.
are you "close with the Cheder"
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 10:25:26 AM
Bogo Tuition Fund

We will match your tuition donation, up to a total of $10,000 per family.

Please specify the name of your child and the school that he is attending, in order for us to properly credit it to your child's tuition.

You can give towards multiple schools, as long as the total does not exceed $10,000

Please note, that per IRS rules, these payments are NOT tax deductible.

FUNDRAISER UPDATES 2
Posted on September 4, 2016 by Zvi Bogomilsky
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90. Yeshiva Gedola Tiferes Eliezer
91. Yeshiva Gedola of Brick
92. Yeshiva Gedola of Cliffwood
93. Yeshiva Gedola of South Lakewood
94. Yeshiva Gedola Ruach Chaim
95. Yeshiva Ketana
96. Yeshiva Keter Toral
97. Yeshiva Knesses Bais Levi
97. Yeshiva Kol Torah
98. Yeshiva Masoras Avos
99. Yeshiva Me'on HaTorah
100. Yeshiva Medrash Chaim
101. Yeshiva Moreshes Yehoshua
102. Yeshiva Nefesh Hachaim
103. Yeshiva Ohr Eliyahu
104. Yeshiva Ohr Moshe
105. Yeshiva Ohr Shraga
106. Yeshiva Ohr Yehuda
107. Yeshiva Orchos Chaim
108 . Yeshiva Oros Yisroel
109. Yeshiva Shaar Hatalmud
110. Yeshiva Shaarei Orah
111. Yeshiva Shaarei Torah
112. Yeshiva Shagas Aryeh
113. Yeshiva Sharei Orah
114. Yeshiva Shvilay Hatalmud
115. Yeshiva Tal Torah
116. Yeshiva Tiferes Boruch of Springfield
117. Yeshiva Tiferes Naftoli
118. Yeshiva Toras Aron
119. Yeshiva Toras Chaim
120. Yeshiva Toras Emes
121. Yeshiva Toras  Menachem
122. Yeshiva Yesodei Hatorah
123. Yeshiva Yishrei Level
124. Yeshivas Emek Hatorah
125. Yeshivas Ner Hatalmud
126. Yeshivas Ner Moshe V'Dovid
127. Yeshivas Ohr HaTorah
128. Yeshivas Ohr Yissocher
129. Yeshivas Talmidei Yaavetz
130. Yeshivat Ohr Hachaim
131. Yeshiva Yagdil Torah
132. Yesodos Bais Yaakov
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 10:25:56 AM
He copy pasted a list of all LKWD schools. Already scammed people out of 60k....
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: theduke on September 04, 2016, 10:26:34 AM
Looks like the scam is going strong! Over 60k raised already.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 10:28:11 AM
It's a shame that with the instant power of the internet, there's no way to easily inform the masses to stay away...
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: theduke on September 04, 2016, 10:37:43 AM
Maybe sponsor a small amount and in the comments write that it's a scam
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 10:37:51 AM
mendy from lakewood's tag line is very appropriate in this case.

It seems to me that Z.B. might be shooting himself in the foot, if indeed this wasn't coordinated with the schools. His BOGO loyalty (patent pending!) idea has merit, but if he was planning to launch it on a trial basis in Lakewood, and gets the word out with what might be a questionable campaign, what are his chances for buy-in for the actual program (though in that there's really nothing to be lost by consumers).

As for Ambit, by his admission he did introduce and promote it in Lakewood. I don't think anything was done with malice. Anyone that understand how markets and math works, should have seen that something had to explode there. He claims to have learned his lesson from that and came up with an idea that IMHO does have merit (I never said that about Ambit, and I actually think there are strong reasons why retail energy SHOULD be regulated).

However, even the best most legitimate business concept could fail. I hope he does succeed (he is a Yid and definitely has good intentions) though as said above, if he gets introduced to the community through what looks like a half baked good idea, he might simply be shooting himself in the leg.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 10:41:45 AM
Gingi advised to try calling the schools and calling BOGO.

1) The schools never heard of this
2) No one picks up the phone at the phone number in the ad (edit - someone in a call center finally picked up and gave canned answers that just repeated the ad. When I asked anything remotely different than what was in the ad she said she's not able to answer that (but said she'll have someone call me back)
3) I send a message last night with some questions and got no response.

At this point, I am reporting them to youcaring. If you go here https://www.youcaring.com/familes-struggling-to-pay-tuition-631784 under about the organizer there's an option to 'Report fundraiser'. If enough people report him maybe they will shut it down.
Title: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 10:44:23 AM


Thread will liven up in a later in the year as the scam unfolds...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Sport on September 04, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
Click bate ?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
Continue here

https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?url=http%3A%2F%2Fforums%2Edansdeals%2Ecom%2Findex%2Ephp%3Ftopic%3D65888%2E0&share_tid=65888&share_fid=16768&share_type=t
BOGO Tuition Scam
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 10:46:56 AM
Click bate ?
Title accuratly reflects the discussion
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Sport on September 04, 2016, 10:47:51 AM
On a seprate note regarding tuition, check out this google doc that's been going around face book. Free for all to edit tuition info for all day schools.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jJF9icyyd5jMqY-pm06QbJqqAKXe0b9X-1-DOzbo4yk/edit?usp=drive_web
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Sport on September 04, 2016, 10:48:52 AM
Title accuratly reflects the discussion
But anyone reading that expects to get more info when opening the thread.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 10:52:24 AM
But anyone reading that expects to get more info when opening the thread.
hopefully the mods will merge in the discussion from the Lakewood thread.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: avromie7 on September 04, 2016, 10:53:49 AM


At this point, I am reporting them to youcaring. If you go here https://www.youcaring.com/familes-struggling-to-pay-tuition-631784 under about the organizer there's an option to 'Report fundraiser'. If enough people report him maybe they will shut it down.
thanks for pointing that out, I just reported them.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 10:58:35 AM
"
Someone who has Facebook can post that they spoke to me.

They can post the following


"I have been contacted by Rabonim, Friends and askonim.  I have no relationship whatsoever to this BOGO fund and neither do I know anything about it.  I am in no way behind it or funding it. 

People should do research and verify who this person is and what the supposed fund or organization truly is. 

Sincerely
Tzvi Bogomilsky
Miami Beach,FL"

Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 11:01:39 AM
thanks for pointing that out, I just reported them.
me too
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: MarkS on September 04, 2016, 11:02:16 AM
I just called a large schools administrator. He said that he did once meet with Bogo who had a crazy plan where stores will give a 10% loyalty discount (effectively wiping out their profits?). If I get 10 people to sign up I share in their discount and then they get 10 people to sign up and they share in those discount etc etc mlm mlm mlm.

He had not been told that his school would be listed here and he knew nothing about this tuition BOGO thing. He was upset to hear that the website implies that he is affiliated.

SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: Jkhein on September 04, 2016, 11:04:11 AM
I actually met him in person.

Check before you post. I am not saying that any school has or will endorse this, but will it hurt to ask. Zvi claimed to have a close relationship with the Lakewood Cheder.
How close is his relationship?
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2016/09/audio-in-response-to-numerous-inquiries-about-this-tuition-bogo.html
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 11:04:56 AM
"
Someone who has Facebook can post that they spoke to me.

They can post the following


"I have been contacted by Rabonim, Friends and askonim.  I have no relationship whatsoever to this BOGO fund and neither do I know anything about it.  I am in no way behind it or funding it. 

People should do research and verify who this person is and what the supposed fund or organization truly is. 

Sincerely
Tzvi Bogomilsky
Miami Beach,FL"
Nothing new here. I told you that it's a different person (I believe it's a cousin of Tzvi Bogomilsky from FL)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: lfas25 on September 04, 2016, 11:09:04 AM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2016/09/audio-in-response-to-numerous-inquiries-about-this-tuition-bogo.html
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 11:18:14 AM
Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:21:51 AM
Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?
They are not necessarily originating, but many in Lakewood are falling victim. The only one of these which may have originated in Lakewood is the CC farms. Ambit, Sungames, Viridian, My Harvest America, and this are not lakewood based.

BTW, Please move into here the conversation from the Lakewood thread starting here
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=16578.msg1549750#msg1549750
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 11:24:01 AM
Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?
This actually sounds like a non Lakewooder (chabadskers!?) preying on poor Lakewood people
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Jkhein on September 04, 2016, 11:24:47 AM
Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?
They are the easiest community (and most desperate) to suck into a scam.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:34:07 AM
As for Ambit, by his admission he did introduce and promote it in Lakewood. I don't think anything was done with malice. Anyone that understand how markets and math works, should have seen that something had to explode there. He claims to have learned his lesson from that and came up with an idea that IMHO does have merit (I never said that about Ambit, and I actually think there are strong reasons why retail energy SHOULD be regulated).

However, even the best most legitimate business concept could fail. I hope he does succeed (he is a Yid and definitely has good intentions) though as said above, if he gets introduced to the community through what looks like a half baked good idea, he might simply be shooting himself in the leg.
Very confidence inspiring. I introduced a bad product to Lakewood and profited off of them losing thousands of dollars, but now I learnde my lesson so trust me now with millions. Why? Be cause I say I learned my lesson. How do we know that the poor business accumen has improved? He says so!

BTW, regarding energy deregulation regarding residential in NY it can definitely use more regulation. As someone deeply involved in that industry I recommend against NY residential customers enrolling with ESCOs. Larger accounts stand to gain much if done properly even in NY. In NJ and many other states it is even simpler. I have saved companies millions of dollars through deregulated energy, but it needs to be done right. Unfortunately most in the business are unequipped to do it right. MLMs like Ambit where the entire model is to have those with no knowledge of the industry sell the product to the most ignorangt customers are a sure recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 04, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?

It's difficult to scam people in your own hometown. Must easier to deal in a town that you can walk out of and nobody knows you. Therefore, the town with the least homegrown scammers will have the most scammers coming to take advantage of them. Lakewood natives are innocent, pure, and unsullied; and would never dream of doing something a mite bit unkosher. They always believe the best of everyone. They are therefore open targets to evil out of towners, whom everyone knows will say or do anything to make a quick crooked buck. In a town where everyone has a scammer mindset, it's much more difficult to get away with one. That's why you'll rarely hear of a scheme originating in; say; Cleveland.

 :P
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 11:42:23 AM


mendy from lakewood's tag line is very appropriate in this case.

It seems to me that Z.B. might be shooting himself in the foot, if indeed this wasn't coordinated with the schools. His BOGO loyalty (patent pending!) idea has merit, but if he was planning to launch it on a trial basis in Lakewood, and gets the word out with what might be a questionable campaign, what are his chances for buy-in for the actual program (though in that there's really nothing to be lost by consumers).

As for Ambit, by his admission he did introduce and promote it in Lakewood. I don't think anything was done with malice. Anyone that understand how markets and math works, should have seen that something had to explode there. He claims to have learned his lesson from that and came up with an idea that IMHO does have merit (I never said that about Ambit, and I actually think there are strong reasons why retail energy SHOULD be regulated).

However, even the best most legitimate business concept could fail. I hope he does succeed (he is a Yid and definitely has good intentions) though as said above, if he gets introduced to the community through what looks like a half baked good idea, he might simply be shooting himself in the leg.
Wow, now You're defending Ambit??

I'm getting suspicious about how involved you actually are in this... Did you actually invest in BOGO?
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: lfas25 on September 04, 2016, 11:45:27 AM
This is from a reliable source:

"I have been contacted by Rabonim, Friends and askonim.  I have no relationship whatsoever to this BOGO fund and neither do I know anything about it.  I am in no way behind it or funding it. 

People should do research and verify who this person is and what the supposed fund or organization truly is. 

Sincerely
Tzvi Bogomilsky
Miami Beach,FL
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:48:46 AM
Wow, now You're defending Ambit??

Where do you see that? He supposedly learned his lesson from there. What lesson? Maybe that he can trick money away from people.

Very confidence inspiring. I introduced a bad product to Lakewood and profited off of them losing thousands of dollars, but now I learnde my lesson so trust me now with millions. Why? Be cause I say I learned my lesson. How do we know that the poor business accumen has improved? He says so!

BTW, regarding energy deregulation regarding residential in NY it can definitely use more regulation. As someone deeply involved in that industry I recommend against NY residential customers enrolling with ESCOs. Larger accounts stand to gain much if done properly even in NY. In NJ and many other states it is even simpler. I have saved companies millions of dollars through deregulated energy, but it needs to be done right. Unfortunately most in the business are unequipped to do it right. MLMs like Ambit where the entire model is to have those with no knowledge of the industry sell the product to the most ignorangt customers are a sure recipe for disaster.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Fish Tank on September 04, 2016, 11:53:20 AM
BTW, regarding energy deregulation regarding residential in NY it can definitely use more regulation. As someone deeply involved in that industry I recommend against NY residential customers enrolling with ESCOs. Larger accounts stand to gain much if done properly even in NY. In NJ and many other states it is even simpler. I have saved companies millions of dollars through deregulated energy, but it needs to be done right. Unfortunately most in the business are unequipped to do it right. MLMs like Ambit where the entire model is to have those with no knowledge of the industry sell the product to the most ignorangt customers are a sure recipe for disaster.
Great job going OT about energy deregulation. Now that you got in your free advertising, lets get back on topic.

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:58:19 AM
Go ahead
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Moshe123 on September 04, 2016, 12:06:17 PM
Small town. So many suckers.

No bias here. Majority of family there.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Saver2000 on September 04, 2016, 12:09:20 PM
Small town.
???
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 12:12:53 PM
I stand corrected then, targeting.

Why don't we see these in CLE for example?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 12:17:56 PM
I stand corrected then, targeting.

Why don't we see these in CLE for example?
Not profitable enough
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 12:18:53 PM
LA?
Crown Heights?

Why is it always Lakewood?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 04, 2016, 12:19:04 PM
It's actually not such a hot seller. Only 135k. We're not the suckers ZB thought we were.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 12:49:52 PM
It's actually not such a hot seller. Only 135k. We're not the suckers ZB thought we were.
that is still very bad!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 12:55:33 PM
Very confidence inspiring. I introduced a bad product to Lakewood and profited off of them losing thousands of dollars, but now I learnde my lesson so trust me now with millions. Why? Be cause I say I learned my lesson. How do we know that the poor business accumen has improved? He says so!
This is exactly why I said he is shooting himself in his own leg.

I think the actual BOGO loyalty program might have potential. There is definitely nothing to be lost by joining it. Just think of earning points for spending you already do, if it doesn't work out and the points end up worthless, did you lose anything?

However as I have said before, I know nothing about this "tuition match" that he's offering, and suggested not to give any money unless the school would accept it towards tuition obligation.

I am דן לכף זכות and don't think there is malicious intent involved, nor do I think there was such with his promotion of Ambit (though I have no idea how cbc gets the idea that I've ever endorsed Ambit, nothing can be further from the truth).
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 01:09:37 PM
This is exactly why I said he is shooting himself in his own leg.

I think the actual BOGO loyalty program might have potential. There is definitely nothing to be lost by joining it. Just think of earning points for spending you already do, if it doesn't work out and the points end up worthless, did you lose anything?

However as I have said before, I know nothing about this "tuition match" that he's offering, and suggested not to give any money unless the school would accept it towards tuition obligation.

I am דן לכף זכות and don't think there is malicious intent involved, nor do I think there was such with his promotion of Ambit (though I have no idea how cbc gets the idea that I've ever endorsed Ambit, nothing can be further from the truth).
I can believe that ambit was from naivete. Why should anyone think this is different other than his say so?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: YossieW on September 04, 2016, 01:11:09 PM
LA?
Crown Heights?

Why is it always Lakewood?

i agree it seems that i only hear of these things either in the forums or from connections in Lakewood, i cant recall of any Los Angeles scams like this
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 01:15:33 PM
However, even the best most legitimate business concept could fail. I hope he does succeed (he is a Yid and definitely has good intentions) though as said above, if he gets introduced to the community through what looks like a half baked good idea, he might simply be shooting himself in the leg.
You ever hear about the kosher switch? Where is CM when we need him?  >:(
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 01:18:46 PM
I can believe that ambit was from naivete. Why should anyone think this is different other than his say so?
Which is why I said check with the schools.

I am drawing a line between his BOGO loyalty business venture and the "tuition match". The business venture has potential (though I still have some unanswered questions), the tuition match is something on which I would rather not speculate.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 01:23:56 PM
Which is why I said check with the schools.

I am drawing a line between his BOGO loyalty business venture and the "tuition match". The business venture has potential (though I still have some unanswered questions), the tuition match is something on which I would rather not speculate.
You are clueless.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 04, 2016, 01:52:14 PM
Whoever is contributing; I hope they're using a good credit card for when dispute time comes...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: LoLo on September 04, 2016, 02:04:09 PM
Whoever is contributing; I hope they're using a good credit card for when dispute time comes...
It's a donation, wonder how successful a dispute will be.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 02:06:55 PM
@exgingi, you are a fool. Thank God 99.99999% of Lakewood is smarter than you.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 02:12:45 PM
If something sounds too good to be true, it ain't true................. unless Dan posts it on DansDeals.   :)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 02:14:11 PM
I would stand outside and warn people of the dangers but unfortunately I'm not in Lakewood today
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 02:19:34 PM
I would stand outside and warn people of the dangers but unfortunately I'm not in Lakewood today
Don't worry, hardly anyone is biting.
Also if it costs a guy 4k to learn a lifetime lesson not to go for scams, it may be a cheap education.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 02:20:52 PM
Which is why I said check with the schools.

I am drawing a line between his BOGO loyalty business venture and the "tuition match". The business venture has potential (though I still have some unanswered questions), the tuition match is something on which I would rather not speculate.
Oh please, the BOGO scam sounds plenty scammy on its own.
A classic mlm with a twist.

I hope this answers all your questions.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 02:21:01 PM
@exgingi, you are a fool. Thank God 99.99999% of Lakewood is smarter than you.
Wow, that's a real scientific analysis. I wonder how many people of the 99.99999% from Lakewood put money into this. I did not put into this any money, and rather than go out with name calling and statements, gave a clear statement of facts, and a suggestion of what to verify before putting any money into this.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 04, 2016, 02:21:27 PM
He posted on the website that it's under Dayan Roth. Someone call R chaim Meyer Roth  and see what he has to say about it
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 02:22:39 PM
@exgingi, you are a fool. Thank God 99.99999% of Lakewood is smarter than you.
Unless Lakewood has a population larger than that of the entire USA, that is a false statement.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 02:28:17 PM
Unless Lakewood has a population larger than that of the entire USA, that is a false statement.
I am surprised you even responded to the wrong math.

Obviously many people here shoot their emotions out of their hip, without thinking too much.

I am not here to defend my smarts, or BOGO. I am just offering a cool headed and somewhat informed approach.

I have absolutely $0 invested in BOGO loyalty (other than some time spent hearing him out), I don't see it as a scam, though I don't know if it will or will not work. As I have stated before, the "tuition match" being offered now could actually hurt BOGO loyalty by tarnishing its reputation before it even got started.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 02:30:42 PM
USA has more than 10,000,000 people
10,000,000 x 39 participants so far.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 02:31:18 PM
I am surprised you even responded to the wrong math.

Obviously many people here shoot their emotions out of their hip, without thinking too much.

I am not here to defend my smarts, or BOGO. I am just offering a cool headed and somewhat informed approach.

I have absolutely $0 invested in BOGO loyalty (other than some time spent hearing him out), I don't see it as a scam, though I don't know if it will or will not work. As I have stated before, the "tuition match" being offered now could actually hurt BOGO loyalty by tarnishing its reputation before it even got started.
You're clearly blinded by your friendship.
Feel free to prove me wrong with actual numbers/facts.
Are we almost at the end?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 02:36:08 PM
You're clearly blinded by your friendship.
As I said, I was introduced by a mutual friend who asked me to evaluate the merit of investing in BOGO loyalty for someone else, I have no direct friendship or relationship.

Feel free to prove me wrong with actual numbers/facts.
Prove what wrong? Where did I state that you were wrong?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 02:37:06 PM
As I said, I was introduced by a mutual friend who asked me to evaluate the merit of investing in BOGO loyalty for someone else, I have no direct friendship or relationship.
Prove what wrong? Where did I state that you were wrong?
you have bad friends
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 04, 2016, 02:40:59 PM
you have bad friends
So is this thread turning into an evaluation of myself and my friends?

By all means, please provide quotes from my posts where I said anything to condone the current "tuition match" campaign, or advocated anything other than prudent action, while being דן לכף זכות another Yid.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 02:43:19 PM
When part of a deal is legitimized that will lead others to believe in the whole deal.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 04, 2016, 02:48:40 PM
When part of a deal is legitimized that will lead others to believe in the whole deal.
Well now that the thread has been renamed...I don't think too much damage has been done
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Eliyohu on September 04, 2016, 03:03:40 PM
On youcaring

Posted on September 4, 2016 by Zvi Bogomilsky
For all the peddlers of Lashon Harah:

All funds that are given today are under the direct control of Zecharia Waxler, Partner - Roth & Company, and Dayan Roth of Lakewood.

Who are these people, anyone contacted them?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 04, 2016, 03:10:36 PM


For all the peddlers of Lashon Harah:
Toeles?

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:19:17 PM
Love this donation:
$1
15 minutes ago
Anonymous
For the RABOSAI ZEH SHEKER School.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:19:56 PM
Unless Lakewood has a population larger than that of the entire USA, that is a false statement.
lol

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:20:27 PM
Wow, that's a real scientific analysis. I wonder how many people of the 99.99999% from Lakewood put money into this. I did not put into this any money, and rather than go out with name calling and statements, gave a clear statement of facts, and a suggestion of what to verify before putting any money into this.
@ExGingi is a fool
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:20:46 PM
I am surprised you even responded to the wrong math.

Obviously many people here shoot their emotions out of their hip, without thinking too much.

I am not here to defend my smarts, or BOGO. I am just offering a cool headed and somewhat informed approach.

I have absolutely $0 invested in BOGO loyalty (other than some time spent hearing him out), I don't see it as a scam, though I don't know if it will or will not work. As I have stated before, the "tuition match" being offered now could actually hurt BOGO loyalty by tarnishing its reputation before it even got started.
@ExGingi is a fool
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:21:05 PM
As I said, I was introduced by a mutual friend who asked me to evaluate the merit of investing in BOGO loyalty for someone else, I have no direct friendship or relationship.
Prove what wrong? Where did I state that you were wrong?
@ExGingi is a fool
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 04, 2016, 03:25:10 PM
@ExGingi is a fool

@ExGingi is a fool

@ExGingi is a fool
This is getting inappropriately personal. On RC Elul, none the less.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
This is getting inappropriately personal. On RC Elul, none the less.
I know too many people who lost their pants from scams.
I have zero tolerance for naive people buying into scams.

Even more so when they can't explain how it's not a scam. Just that they met him, and he had interesting ideas.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 04, 2016, 03:28:51 PM
On youcaring

Posted on September 4, 2016 by Zvi Bogomilsky
For all the peddlers of Lashon Harah:

All funds that are given today are under the direct control of Zecharia Waxler, Partner - Roth & Company, and Dayan Roth of Lakewood.

Who are these people, anyone contacted them?
I think Wexler is the my harvest America guy
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 03:33:46 PM
I know too many people who lost their pants from scams.
Should we say that you then know a lot of "fools"?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 03:34:03 PM
Who is dayan Roth of Lakewood?

For that matter, who is this Zvi guy? Where does he live and which community is he affiliated with?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 04, 2016, 03:36:28 PM
Who is dayan Roth of Lakewood?

For that matter, who is this Zvi guy? Where does he live and which community is he affiliated with?
Probably R chaim Meyer Roth
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yaakov s on September 04, 2016, 03:37:27 PM
This is getting inappropriately personal. On RC Elul, none the less.
On RE Elul it's more important to publicize scam artists and anything associated with them.

Every MLM is rooted in scam.

This is a scam

MHA was a scam. Scambit is a scam. Sungames is a scam.

Wachsler and Bogomilsky and their ilk should be chased out of town.

This scam  might be exposed today or might take 5 years buy such things are scams.

Shame on the people that are dancing around and not calling it what it is.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 04, 2016, 03:39:41 PM
On RE Elul it's more important to publicize scam artists and anything associated with them.

Every MLM is rooted in scam.

This is a scam

MHA was a scam. Scambit is a scam. Sungames is a scam.

Wachsler and Bogomilsky and their ilk should be chased out of town.

This scam  might be exposed today or might take 5 years buy such things are scams.

Shame on the people that are dancing around and not calling it what it is.

There is a difference between saying this is a scam and saying you are a fool.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 03:42:28 PM
Should we say that you then know a lot of "fools"?
yes
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 03:48:32 PM
yes
That explains your comment.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: AsherO on September 04, 2016, 03:49:46 PM
Can someone (ExGingi or someone else) please tell me what BOGO Loyalty is and what their business (or lack thereof) model is?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yoohoo on September 04, 2016, 03:53:23 PM
Please be advised i have been called by many rabonim and askonim in Lakewood. I have no affiliation whatsoever with this tuition fund.

People need to ask if they are donating why it's not affiliated with a charity. To me it seems like a very clever scam.

Sincerely
Tzvi Bogomilsky
Miami Beach,FL.


Someone Sara Bogimilsky posted this on the page.

Anyway is there anything to lose by using a CC?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: thaber on September 04, 2016, 03:58:55 PM
LA?
Crown Heights?

Why is it always Lakewood?
Very concentrated mass of younger families,  many of whom don't have a 'normal' income, but do have many expenses,  and where the culture is that there are loopholes that can be taken advantage of (legitimately and legally) to their financial betterment. 
In that mindset it doesn't matter much if the loophole is offered by uncle Sam,  or the great state of NJ,  or 7-11 on July 11th. All these supposedly fall into that category as well.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 04:00:26 PM
Matzav removed the scam article and replaced with this

http://matzav.com/head-of-bogo-tuition-fund-speaks-to-matzav/

Turns out tzvi just wants to donate a million dollars to Lakewood mosdos # smh
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 04:05:25 PM
Why would the fund accountant have custody of the funds? Highly inappropriate
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 04, 2016, 04:10:43 PM
Why do they need to pay over 12 months? Should give a check on the spot
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 04:16:06 PM
Why do they need to pay over 12 months? Should give a check on the spot
He's not rechnitz you know.. he doesn't have the million dollars yet... But once his BOGO program takes off... Cash is going to come raining down.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 04, 2016, 04:37:14 PM
Matzav removed the scam article and replaced with this

http://matzav.com/head-of-bogo-tuition-fund-speaks-to-matzav/

Turns out tzvi just wants to donate a million dollars to Lakewood mosdos # smh
I read it and didn't under what in the world is flying!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 04:38:22 PM
The donate page is suspended bh.. 130k hard earned Yiddisheh money gone for now...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Boruch999 on September 04, 2016, 04:39:31 PM
Following
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: avrumy22 on September 04, 2016, 04:49:04 PM
why is paid over 12 months? simple. the first 2 months money is paid out. So if you gave 10k the school will get checks of 1666 for 2 months. Everyone will be screaming I TOLD YOU SO IT'S LEGIT etc. a few more spots will "open up" and thousands more will give. Then Mr Monsey hop's on the next plane to Israel never to be heard from again. until the next one....
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: sharkky on September 04, 2016, 05:09:43 PM
I'm waiting for some brand new ddf accounts to start popping up on this thread.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 05:14:51 PM
I'm waiting for some brand new ddf accounts to start popping up on this thread.
+1
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Eliyohu on September 04, 2016, 05:18:52 PM



At this point, I am reporting them to youcaring. If you go here https://www.youcaring.com/familes-struggling-to-pay-tuition-631784 under about the organizer there's an option to 'Report fundraiser'. If enough people report him maybe they will shut it down.

The donate page is suspended bh.. 130k hard earned Yiddisheh money gone for now...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 05:42:33 PM
I think Wexler is the my harvest America guy
And sungames?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 04, 2016, 05:49:34 PM
And sungames?
Don't know.  Maybe listen to Dan's recording to hear What her name was. Maybe Dan will get another scary message.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: elya on September 04, 2016, 05:52:01 PM
Don't know.  Maybe listen to Dan's recording to hear What her name was. Maybe Dan will get another scary message.
Link?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 06:02:43 PM
Don't know.  Maybe listen to Dan's recording to hear What her name was. Maybe Dan will get another scary message.
I just remember that name in the thread there
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: george on September 04, 2016, 06:08:18 PM
I just remember that name in the thread there
IIRC, Sungames was Avi Wachsler. This guy's name is Zechariah Waxler.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: bubkiz on September 04, 2016, 06:16:07 PM
Posted on Hefkervelt:

it is amazing how desperate ppl are for any sort of relief or chance to make money. As a school director, I went to the advertised storefront to see what's going on after getting no information on the website or phone. I found an empty rented storefront with a yungerman sitting on a plastic chair taking money from yungerliet and writing it down in a notebook. I was appalled that these people were lining up to give this guy money without any information ,receipt, or other verification. The erlicher person taking the money had no information to offer other than he was paid to sit there and take money and that the person in charge maybe will be coming later. Why are people giving this fellow money? This is the smart jewish mind?


Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 06:22:19 PM
Posted on Hefkervelt:

it is amazing how desperate ppl are for any sort of relief or chance to make money. As a school director, I went to the advertised storefront to see what's going on after getting no information on the website or phone. I found an empty rented storefront with a yungerman sitting on a plastic chair taking money from yungerliet and writing it down in a notebook. I was appalled that these people were lining up to give this guy money without any information ,receipt, or other verification. The erlicher person taking the money had no information to offer other than he was paid to sit there and take money and that the person in charge maybe will be coming later. Why are people giving this fellow money? This is the smart jewish mind?
Do you know how long he will be there for?  :)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 06:23:31 PM
Do you know how long he will be there for?  :)
He's long gone and the sign is down. Poof!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 06:26:18 PM
He's long gone and the sign is down. Poof!
Darn! Was hoping we could have robin hood pay him a visit.  >:(
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 04, 2016, 07:38:06 PM
Check out matzavs newest update
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 07:43:04 PM
Check out matzavs newest update
I don't get it.
Was the cpa part of the scam planning?
When did he "chap" that it's a good idea to "protect the principal"?
When did he get scared off and decide to shut it down?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: coralsnake on September 04, 2016, 07:46:38 PM
Link?

http://i.dansdeals.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Voice-001.m4a.mp4

Is it true that this BOGO is being sponsored by Sungames?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Super Speed on September 04, 2016, 07:54:18 PM
This thread shows up on google second if you search BOGO tuition Scam and 5th if you type in BOGO tuition.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Super Speed on September 04, 2016, 07:59:20 PM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2016/09/update-bogo-tuition-fund-shut-down.html
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 08:05:56 PM
I don't get it.
Was the cpa part of the scam planning?
When did he "chap" that it's a good idea to "protect the principal"?
When did he get scared off and decide to shut it down?

We will probably never know, but he may have saved people from this.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yoohoo on September 04, 2016, 08:08:19 PM
It may have been shut down because ppl reported it not necessarily because they shut it on their own
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 08:09:22 PM
An administrator at a Lakewood school told Matzav.com dryly, Its called the Bogo Fund, but it might has well be called the Bogus Fund.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yow1TXjQE2UJ:matzav.com/suspicious-bogo-tuition-fund-raising-concern-among-askanim/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 08:10:00 PM
I would urge anyone who invested to contact youfunded asap and ask for them to freeze the funds.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: AsherO on September 04, 2016, 08:34:17 PM
An administrator at a Lakewood school told Matzav.com dryly, Its called the Bogo Fund, but it might has well be called the Bogus Fund.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yow1TXjQE2UJ:matzav.com/suspicious-bogo-tuition-fund-raising-concern-among-askanim/+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Or the Pogo fund, checks guaranteed to bounce :D
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 08:38:42 PM
Well that was a fun social experiment.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 08:43:17 PM
Thanks to the awareness that this ended so quickly (actually kind of impressed with my town) hopefully the naive ones will get their money back
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 08:43:56 PM
Well that was a fun social experiment.
Hopefully it was a learning experiment also.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 04, 2016, 08:44:42 PM


Hopefully it was a learning experience also.
FTFY
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 04, 2016, 08:46:09 PM
Thanks to the awareness that this ended so quickly (actually kind of impressed with my town) hopefully the naive ones will get their money back
140k for a few hours work. I can see these popping up all the time. If you missed this one you will have another chance I am sure.  :)




Disclaimer: Before someone gets confused I am being sarcastic.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 04, 2016, 08:49:30 PM
140k for a few hours work. I can see these popping up all the time. If you missed this one you will have another chance I am sure.  :)




Disclaimer: Before someone gets confused I am being sarcastic.
Sadly you arent wrong. there will be more and plenty of people will line up...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: sguitarist18 on September 04, 2016, 08:53:38 PM
In regards to "why lakewood?"...I don't have a complete answer, but I'd imagine it's less likely in a smaller community, where things are more centralized, and it's easier to verify. Lakewood is one of the bigger frum communities, so it's easier to think, "oh, maybe it's the OTHER school that's cooperating with this, etc.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yoohoo on September 04, 2016, 08:55:27 PM
http://bit.ly/2c4RTiv

Scroll down for update
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 08:56:04 PM
In regards to "why lakewood?"...I don't have a complete answer, but I'd imagine it's less likely in a smaller community, where things are more centralized, and it's easier to verify. Lakewood is one of the bigger frum communities, so it's easier to think, "oh, maybe it's the OTHER school that's cooperating with this, etc.
Vs Boro Park, Crown Heights, LA, Miami, etc, etc?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 08:57:46 PM
http://bit.ly/2c4RTiv

Scroll down for update
Tell them to become DD verified :P
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 08:59:04 PM
Vs Boro Park, Crown Heights, LA, Miami, etc, etc?
Why do you think there are fewer in BP? WHich scam was in Lkwd but not in BP?

CH, LA, MIA are definitely more centralized in the sense that such things would be more verifiable.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Super Speed on September 04, 2016, 09:03:12 PM
Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?
The bias you have against Lakewood and the way you try to bash it in any given opportunity is really reprehensible. I'm not saying that Lakewood doesn't have its faults but you take it to a new level.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 09:06:49 PM
The bias you have against Lakewood and the way you try to bash it in any given opportunity is really reprehensible. I'm not saying that Lakewood doesn't have its faults but you take it to a new level.

As I wrote earlier it is simply not the case. Which scam originated from Lakewood? The only possible one I can think of is the CC farms which seems to be unverified as a scam as of yet. You say that they seem to originate in Lakewood. check your premises.

Why does it seem like there is a disproportionate number of scams originating in Lakewood versus other Jewish communities?

Am I incorrect?
They are not necessarily originating, but many in Lakewood are falling victim. The only one of these which may have originated in Lakewood is the CC farms. Ambit, Sungames, Viridian, My Harvest America, and this are not lakewood based.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 09:08:34 PM
Tip says:
SEPTEMBER 4, 2016 AT 8:37 PM
I just called the number.
It seems that they are still taking money over the phone.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 09:11:32 PM
The bias you have against Lakewood and the way you try to bash it in any given opportunity is really reprehensible. I'm not saying that Lakewood doesn't have its faults but you take it to a new level.
LOL. Defensive much?
When did I say anything against Lakewood? And at "any given opportunity" no less?
FWIW, I was very impressed when I was there.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 09:13:50 PM
Why do you think there are fewer in BP? WHich scam was in Lkwd but not in BP?

CH, LA, MIA are definitely more centralized in the sense that such things would be more verifiable.
From what I've seen scams like MHA, Ambit, Farms, and this one disproportionately affect Lakewood.
CMIIW.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: moko on September 04, 2016, 09:32:56 PM
Ambit was real strong in Brooklyn
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: YossieW on September 04, 2016, 09:35:30 PM
From what I've seen scams like MHA, Ambit, Farms, and this one disproportionately affect Lakewood.
CMIIW.

i think two reasons
1) at least i can speak for Los Angeles you can call a couple of rabbonim who are all in tune with these types of things and find out right away where as Lakewood has many more people who people would consult who have their own opinions

2) i dont mean this offensive so i please noone get upset from this i think yeshivish/kollel type people which lakewood has a much larger number of are more naive the baalabatim type people you find in other cities
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 09:44:27 PM
From what I've seen scams like MHA, Ambit, Farms, and this one disproportionately affect Lakewood.
CMIIW.
your facts are wrong. MHA was bigger in Monsey. Ambit was bigger in NY.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 09:46:11 PM
Fair enough, my perception is only based on DDF/DDFB, not boots on the ground.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 04, 2016, 09:50:34 PM
Fair enough, my perception is only based on DDF/DDFB, not boots on the ground.
The demographics of gullible "in towners" vs "out of towners" on DDF is disproportionate to real life, IMO.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 09:51:16 PM
Fair enough, my perception is only based on DDF/DDFB, not boots on the ground.
impressed with your honesty
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 04, 2016, 10:24:34 PM
Why is tls playing along with this scammer?

https://mobile.twitter.com/LakewoodScoop/status/772597574234673152


Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 10:41:54 PM
I have confirmed that they are still taking money over the phone.
Only credit and debit!!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 04, 2016, 10:42:36 PM
Why is tls playing along with this scammer?

https://mobile.twitter.com/LakewoodScoop/status/772597574234673152
they are just reporting an update from this guy...where do you see from there that they're playing along?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 10:43:04 PM
So how many MLMs does this make for Bogomilsky?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 04, 2016, 10:43:27 PM
I have confirmed that they are still taking money over the phone.
Only credit and debit!!
and not? Cash?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 04, 2016, 10:44:09 PM
they are just reporting an update from this guy...where do you see from there that they're playing along?
The fact that they are reporting an update....
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 04, 2016, 10:45:38 PM
So how many MLMs does this make for Bogomilsky?
Please explain, has he been involved in things like this before?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 10:50:19 PM
Yes. GIYF
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 04, 2016, 10:54:59 PM
https://www.google.ch/patents/US20160180370?dq=ininventor:%22Zvi+BOGOMILSKY%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-vYbWnPfOAhVo6IMKHWZyBR8Q6AEIKTAC
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 04, 2016, 10:58:43 PM
+Ambit
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: lubaby on September 04, 2016, 11:07:17 PM
and not? Cash?
Cash too. You need to fax it from a Chase bank  ;)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 04, 2016, 11:17:42 PM
https://www.google.ch/patents/US20160180370?dq=ininventor:%22Zvi+BOGOMILSKY%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-vYbWnPfOAhVo6IMKHWZyBR8Q6AEIKTAC
Makes the prince of Nigeria look like an amateur.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:19:32 PM
https://www.google.ch/patents/US20160180370?dq=ininventor:%22Zvi+BOGOMILSKY%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-vYbWnPfOAhVo6IMKHWZyBR8Q6AEIKTAC (https://www.google.ch/patents/US20160180370?dq=ininventor:%22Zvi+BOGOMILSKY%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-vYbWnPfOAhVo6IMKHWZyBR8Q6AEIKTAC)
LOL did he hire an attorney for this or just use Inventhelp "people ask me aall the taam Gawge how do ah get a patent"
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yelped on September 04, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
https://www.google.ch/patents/US20160180370?dq=ininventor:%22Zvi+BOGOMILSKY%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj-vYbWnPfOAhVo6IMKHWZyBR8Q6AEIKTAC
Good find! 

Memorable quote...
Quote

As another example, with the loyalty program, a quality education would be available to everyone regardless of their current financial condition. Members would not have to worry how to put their children through college, or being forced to send their children to public school. As long as the school or college is participating in the loyalty program, most or all of the money spent on education can come be repaid to the member.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:29:56 PM
Fair enough, my perception is only based on DDF/DDFB, not boots on the ground.
Lakewood has a disproportionately large presence on DDF evident by the sizew of the Lakewood thread which is 3000 posts larger than any other location.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 04, 2016, 11:30:40 PM
Lakewood has a disproportionately large presence on DDF evident by the sizew of the Lakewood thread which is 3000 posts larger than any other location.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:41:47 PM
+Ambit

Registrant Org    Zvi Bogomilsky is associated with ~366 other domains

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Domain ID: D41224526-LRMS
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Registry Expiry Date: 2015-09-04T08:55:22Z
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.co m, LLC (R171-LRMS)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Domain Domain Domain Registrant ID:CR91748451
Registrant Name:Zvi Bogomilsky
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 383 Kingston Ave
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Registrant City:Brooklyn
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Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.8622419320
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax:
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email:zbo...@netzero.com

Domain Name:AMBITCHABAD.ORG
Domain ID: D166638365-LROR
Creation Date: 2012-09-19T21:52:08Z
Updated Date: 2014-09-17T22:54:21Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2015-09-19T21:52:08Z
Sponsoring Registrar:GoDaddy.co m, LLC (R91-LROR)
Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 146
WHOIS Server:
Referral URL:
Domain Domain Domain Domain Registrant ID:CR124326015
Registrant Name:Zvi Bogomilsky
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 1475 President St
Registrant City:Brooklyn
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Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Eliyohu on September 04, 2016, 11:57:46 PM
So how many MLMs does this make for Bogomilsky?

[qoute]

The present invention is unlike the well-known multi-level or pyramid type system, which provides multiple levels and are dependent on many transactions in the levels beneath a given member, incentivizing the member to recruit more customers, who in turn must also recruit more members, etc. In contrast, in the present invention, the prime member is only connected to the referred members, who are placed under the prime member in a wide (but not deep) group. Preferably the program would be implemented with a maximum group size, with a maximum number of referred members being between 10 and 20.
[/qoute]


Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 04, 2016, 11:59:10 PM
The present invention is unlike the well-known multi-level or pyramid type system, which provides multiple levels and are dependent on many transactions in the levels beneath a given member, incentivizing the member to recruit more customers, who in turn must also recruit more members, etc. In contrast, in the present invention, the prime member is only connected to the referred members, who are placed under the prime member in a wide (but not deep) group. Preferably the program would be implemented with a maximum group size, with a maximum number of referred members being between 10 and 20.


Huh? Is that a quote from the patent?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Eliyohu on September 05, 2016, 12:00:05 AM
Huh? Is that a quote from the patent?
Yes, i tried to put it in a box but didn't work
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 12:06:25 AM
Huh? Is that a quote from the patent?
You mean to say that you actually commented on it above without even reading it?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 12:06:57 AM
Yes, i tried to put it in a box but didn't work
You misspelled quote
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 12:07:54 AM
You mean to say that you actually commented on it above without even reading it?
I didn't read through the whole thing. I saw enough to make the comment I did. This paragraph of nonsense reinforces it
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 12:34:45 AM
The way I understand it, think about a program similar to Plenti points.

The difference is that one can recruit several individuals to credit their spending to the recruiters point account. However unlike mlm one cannot go deep with recruiting levels, but rather wide, in recruiting individuals to credit their spending to the recruiter's point account.

No one is being asked to pay even one cent into the program, other than the participating merchants. Presumably they should be able to make a business decision whether they would benefit from it or not.

I don't see how CONSUMERS can be scammed with this (other than the time and energy spent - which might be a lot less than time and energy spent looking for award space or buying gift cards for points).

This is different than where people were actually asked to pay in and get matched by a tuition fund. I don't know what was behind that, though unlike Baruch who stated that I was a fool for not investing $ into this, and that I was a fool for advocating prudence, I would rather be דן לכף זכות (isn't that what we would all like for ourselves always, and especially in a month from now?) and ask questions directly, allowing for a response to be heard and evaluated. I didn't do so myself as this is not נוגע to me, since none of my children learn in Lakewood.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 12:41:40 AM
Domain Name:CHABADAMBIT.INF O
Domain Name:AMBITCHABAD.ORG
Domain Name: CHABADAMBIT.NET
I am personally appalled and offended when people mix in the word Chabad with their own business ventures, and even more so when having a .org TLD (if they would actually use Lubavitch, I would consider it a capital offense).

Unfortunately I see this way too often. The silver lining of it is that if we have stooped so low that people can do this over and over without a major outcry against it, we must be very close to the גאולה האמיתית והשלימה.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yosefchaim on September 05, 2016, 12:51:55 AM
UPDATE: 8:45 PM. The site moments ago posted the following updated:

We would like to thank all those that participated in this campaign, and those that are considering to participate.

Due to the many questions and concerns raised by members of the community, we are temporarily suspending this campaign

We are currently in talks with Rabbanim and Askanim in Lakewood, and are looking for the best way to go forward for the benefit of the community.

All the payments that were made, are secure, and are under the direct control of Zacharia Waxler and Dayan Roth.

Once we have the backing of the Rabbanim, we look forward to reopen the campaign. In the meantime, anyone that requests a refund, will be refunded promptly.

Thank you very much for putting your trust in our program, and we look forward to helping the Lakewood community going forward.

[TLS]


 
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yosefchaim on September 05, 2016, 12:56:24 AM
I thought it ended at 10pm!!

Cpa says:
SEPTEMBER 4, 2016 AT 10:43 PM
I just called the number too. They are definitely still trying to take money. Only credit or debit.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 01:08:52 AM
though unlike Baruch who stated that I was a fool for not investing $ into this, and that I was a fool for advocating prudence,
You are a liar. I said you were a fool for defending BOGO.

So that makes you a fool and a liar.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 01:18:57 AM
Simple reading comprehension. Look what I wrote, and how you responded:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/9cea093ea3cacb2711b6a74da9204987.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/c6e66351f7893a829bcf86729c2dd32f.jpg)

So now tell me again who is lying? When I state that I have not invested and suggest that people take prudent actions you call me a fool, and when I quote you for what you said, you call me a liar.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 05, 2016, 05:00:46 AM
Simple reading comprehension. Look what I wrote, and how you responded:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/9cea093ea3cacb2711b6a74da9204987.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/c6e66351f7893a829bcf86729c2dd32f.jpg)

So now tell me again who is lying? When I state that I have not invested and suggest that people take prudent actions you call me a fool, and when I quote you for what you said, you call me a liar.
wow talk about twisting someone's words....if there was anyone against it it was Baruch from the start...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 07:30:23 AM
wow talk about twisting someone's words....if there was anyone against it it was Baruch from the start...
Maybe you can tell me which words I twisted? There's not much to be twisted in a four word sentence.

I never claimed that Baruch was not opposed to it. I was just pointing out to which statements of mine he replied with his well thought through and meaningful response.

Now go back and read what I wrote and point out where I was defending the "tuition match fund". Don't be surprised if you will find out that it was my words that were twisted.

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Boruch999 on September 05, 2016, 07:33:05 AM
Things have gotten waaaaaaaaaay too personal.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: JTZ on September 05, 2016, 07:59:42 AM
Now go back and read what I wrote and point out where I was defending the "tuition match fund".
I am sure many would agree this was a defense of it.
I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 05, 2016, 09:03:46 AM
You are a liar. I said you were a fool for defending BOGO.

So that makes you a fool and a liar.


This is getting inappropriately personal.

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 09:20:07 AM
I am sure many would agree this was a defense of it.
He later explained that this was about the loyalty portion and not this matching thing.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: A3 on September 05, 2016, 09:21:54 AM
He later explained that this was about the loyalty portion and not this matching thing.
A little advice....
Quite while your ahead.

Are you with him or against him?

Just say it straight out.
Title: Re: Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 05, 2016, 09:29:11 AM
A little advice....
Quite while your ahead.

Are you with him or against him?

Just say it straight out.
Quit while you're ahead.....
 

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 09:32:19 AM
Simple reading comprehension. Look what I wrote, and how you responded:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/9cea093ea3cacb2711b6a74da9204987.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/c6e66351f7893a829bcf86729c2dd32f.jpg)

So now tell me again who is lying? When I state that I have not invested and suggest that people take prudent actions you call me a fool, and when I quote you for what you said, you call me a liar.
lol, I was quoting e/t you said, and calling you a fool.
I, you, and everyone knew that I wasn't saying your a fool for not investing.
It's really crooked to do that. (But I guess that's why you like this Bogusmitisky guy)


Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 09:50:41 AM
A little advice....
Quite while your ahead.

Are you with him or against him?

Just say it straight out.
Why do I need to be one or the other? The whole tuition match thing has so many red flags that you would need to be blind to get anywhere near it. ZB has shown himself to be of poor judgement and there is no reason to believe that he has learned his lesson. Just the opposite-the way he took what could be a potentially good idea of a loyalty program towards tuition and made it into a pyramid with all of his dishonest marketing shows that he has not learned his lesson. ExGingi's defending him just shows how easily influenced people are and is very apropos to this weeks parsha where it talks about bribery blinding the wise.

Baruch on the other hand very childishly blindly quoted posts of his and called him a fool. In the process he actually called him a fool for saying NOT to put money into it without verifying it and ExGingi took advantage of that. This is what would be called a word-thinker in the article below. This mindset has been evident in other areas of this forum as well.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147595892021/how-persuaders-see-the-world
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 10:05:36 AM
Why do I need to be one or the other? The whole tuition match thing has so many red flags that you would need to be blind to get anywhere near it. ZB has shown himself to be of poor judgement and there is no reason to believe that he has learned his lesson. Just the opposite-the way he took what could be a potentially good idea of a loyalty program towards tuition and made it into a pyramid with all of his dishonest marketing shows that he has not learned his lesson. ExGingi's defending him just shows how easily influenced people are and is very apropos to this weeks parsha where it talks about bribery blinding the wise.

Baruch on the other hand very childishly blindly quoted posts of his and called him a fool. In the process he actually called him a fool for saying NOT to put money into it without verifying it and ExGingi took advantage of that. This is what would be called a word-thinker in the article below. This mindset has been evident in other areas of this forum as well.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147595892021/how-persuaders-see-the-world
I agree with your whole post (including the characterization of my tirade as childish, I guess it can be viewed that way, if you didn't just come back from having tens of people ask you if they should invest in this scam).

I don't see the connection between exgingi's crookedness and Dilbert's Word-Thinkers. Exgingi flat out lied, what does that have to do with that article?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 10:10:57 AM
I don't see the connection between exgingi's crookedness and Dilbert's Word-Thinkers. Exgingi flat out lied, what does that have to do with that article?
He didn't lie. That is what you did even though it was obviously not your intent. The connection to the word think was the way once you decided that he was not being rational you attacked everytrhing he wrote without discriminating (see the other thread about that) between what was wrong and what actually made some level of sense. In doing so you DID call him a fool for saying not to invest  without looking into it. Your intent was obviously not that one should invest without looking into it but that is what you wrote in haste.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: username on September 05, 2016, 10:19:55 AM
We need a WIKI now to strraighten ot this whole mess, who holds what, who is a liar, and who is a fool. My head is spinning.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 10:22:13 AM
We need a WIKI now to strraighten ot this whole mess, who holds what, who is a liar, and who is a fool. My head is spinning.
Either that or ignore all the noise. My whole point was that sorting people into teams and joining one only makes you lose objectivity and you end up saying something stupid or attacking someone for just the wrong reason.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 10:23:34 AM
We need a WIKI now to strraighten ot this whole mess, who holds what, who is a liar, and who is a fool. My head is spinning.
It's very clear. As much backing away from it, and spinning that @exgingi is trying to do, he defended this scam, and is trying to widdle his way out of it.

So for the record, @exgingi is a fool who defended the BOGO scam.


Here it is
I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 10:27:36 AM
He didn't lie. That is what you did even though it was obviously not your intent. The connection to the word think was the way once you decided that he was not being rational you attacked everytrhing he wrote without discriminating (see the other thread about that) between what was wrong and what actually made some level of sense. In doing so you DID call him a fool for saying not to invest  without looking into it. Your intent was obviously not that one should invest without looking into it but that is what you wrote in haste.
I'm still confused, but I'm not into That Dilbert guy either way.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 10:32:18 AM
It's very clear. As much backing away from it, and spinning that @exgingi is trying to do, he defended this scam, and is trying to widdle his way out of it.

So for the record, @exgingi is a fool who defended the BOGO scam.


Here it is
No need to attack someone like that.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 05, 2016, 10:35:49 AM
No need to attack someone like that.
He just quoted the guys words.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 10:36:19 AM
It's very clear. As much backing away from it, and spinning that @exgingi is trying to do, he defended this scam, and is trying to widdle his way out of it.

So for the record, @exgingi is a fool who defended the BOGO scam.


Here it is
Please explain the scam about a loyalty program where stores give credits to customers towards their tuition. WITHOUT MENTIONING THE MATCHING GARBAGE WHICH IS A SCAM

FTR, I see numerous issues with the way this loyalty program is structured but it is something which in theory CAN work even though I don't think it would. He differentiated between those two aspects of BOGO. Are you capable of doing the same?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 10:36:21 AM
He just quoted the guys words.
That's not all he did.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 10:38:09 AM
Please explain the scam about a loyalty program where stores give credits to customers towards their tuition. WITHOUT MENTIONING THE MATCHING GARBAGE WHICH IS A SCAM

FTR, I see numerous issues with the way this loyalty program is structured but it is something which in theory CAN work even though I don't think it would. He differentiated between those two aspects of BOGO. Are you capable of doing the same?
Is the original loyalty program much different than Chessed Dollars and similar programs?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 10:38:57 AM
I'm still confused, but I'm not into That Dilbert guy either way.
You are still doing it. Often within one statement there are parts which are true, false, and grey. You seem unable to discriminate between them. Once he defended one aspect of BOGO and didn't have the same SCAM yell as you everything all the nuance in what he wrote was ignored.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 10:42:09 AM
Can everyone grow up?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2016, 10:44:52 AM
Can everyone grow up?
+1
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 05, 2016, 10:45:24 AM
That's not all he did.
There nothing innovative etc. about trying to swindle desperate people out of their money without providing any security. Anyone who defends that is at the minimum a fool.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 10:46:39 AM
There nothing innovative etc. about trying to swindle desperate people out of their money without providing any security. Anyone who defends that is at the minimum a fool.
and..........................
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 10:48:11 AM
There nothing innovative etc. about trying to swindle desperate people out of their money without providing any security. Anyone who defends that is at the minimum a fool.
He never actually advised anyone to do it, and if he was being naive, which I agree to, that's not an excuse to insult him.

It's Elul, and if "growing up" means being callous about bein adam l'chaveiro, count me out.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 05, 2016, 10:49:41 AM
My neighbor was about to pay to in yesterday and called me. I said its a scam. The guy tells me how do you know for sure that its a scam? In this crazy town, people will throw money at you until you're a proven criminal!

"A fool and his money are soon parted"
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 10:51:10 AM
My neighbor was about to pay to in yesterday and called me. I said its a scam. The guy tells me how do you know for sure that its a scam? In this crazy town, people will throw money at you until you're a proven criminal!

"A fool and his money are soon parted"
I hope you talked him out of it.

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 05, 2016, 10:55:24 AM
I hope you talked him out of it.
I said he should give me the money and ill triple it. Im also a very well meaning guy you know and my offer is open to anyone. Not only lakewood and not capped at a million. Doesnt even need to be tuition. Can anyone defend me please? Its elul.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 10:57:31 AM
I said he should give me the money and ill triple it. Im also a very well meaning guy you know and my offer is open to anyone. Not only lakewood and not capped at a million. Doesnt even need to be tuition. Can anyone defend me please? Its elul.
There's a difference between defending someone's opinion and defending him from insults.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 05, 2016, 10:58:10 AM
I said he should give me the money and ill triple it. Im also a very well meaning guy you know and my offer is open to anyone. Not only lakewood and not capped at a million. Doesnt even need to be tuition. Can anyone defend me please? Its elul.
You need to have a "CPA" hold on to funds to "protect" the principal first.

I'll be the CPA.... il send you wire instructions. Let's make it rain!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 05, 2016, 10:59:21 AM
There's a difference between defending someone's opinion and defending him from insults.
If you have foolish opinions, you're probably a fool.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 11:01:21 AM
If you have foolish opinions, you're probably a fool.
That doesn't make it okay to embarrass and insult someone.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:02:30 AM
Is the original loyalty program much different than Chessed Dollars and similar programs?
The basic concept is not but there are some key differences which ruin it. ZB with his attchment to MLMs needed to add an MLM aspect to this program. The tell for that is how he wrote this is not an MLM because... The MLM aspect of it is totally unnecessary to the primary concept and serves no purpose other than to make it confusing. Once there is confusion that is a big warning sign and also broadcasts loud and clear that if he learned any lesson from Ambit it is the wrong lesson. This is a person with extremely poor business sense and everyone should keep their money away from him.

The other key difference is that in this case money is being "kept" in separate individual accounts and would need to be tracked. Who will do that and be responsible for it? Chesed Dollars were a simply concept that the schools bought them from the organizer at a discount and sold them at full face value. Here there is too much tracking going on.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 11:05:41 AM
The basic concept is not but there are some key differences which ruin it. ZB with his attchment to MLMs needed to add an MLM aspect to this program. The tell for that is how he wrote this is not an MLM because... The MLM aspect of it is totally unnecessary to the primary concept and serves no purpose other than to make it confusing. Once there is confusion that is a big warning sign and also broadcasts loud and clear that if he learned any lesson from Ambit it is the wrong lesson. This is a person with extremely poor business sense and everyone should keep their money away from him.

The other key difference is that in this case money is being "kept" in separate individual accounts and would need to be tracked. Who will do that and be responsible for it? Chesed Dollars were a simply concept that the schools bought them from the organizer at a discount and sold them at full face value. Here there is too much tracking going on.
I wasn't talking about the matching part; I thought there was a discount program which preceded it.

And, FTR, once someone was involved in one scam, even if well meaning, I agree that it's best to stay away from future business endeavors with him.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 11:06:01 AM
That doesn't make it okay to embarrass and insult someone.
He was advocating for a dangerous scam. I embarrassed him and insulted him to shut him up. Everyone arguing the details with him, was giving him credibility, so I tried the shouting insults method (I learned it from Trump :) )
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 11:07:55 AM
Can everyone grow up?
Okay. Now that e/o agrees not to invest in this.

I apologize to exgingi.

I honestly don't think he is a fool. (Which shows how dangerous scams are, they can suck in intelligent people).
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 11:08:08 AM
He was advocating for a dangerous scam. I embarrassed him and insulted him to shut him up. Everyone arguing the details with him, was giving him credibility, so I tried the shouting insults method (I learned it from Trump :) )
The timeline doesn't seem to match...

Also, I didn't read his posts as advocacy as much as leaving the possibility open that it might be legitimate (which I agree never seemed likely).

Edit: nice job. Thank you.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:08:51 AM
There nothing innovative etc. about trying to swindle desperate people out of their money without providing any security. Anyone who defends that is at the minimum a fool.
Except that IIRC he NEVER defended the matching part only the loyalty program. Are you incapable of discriminating between the two? You may do well reading this thread after Freddie's comment.

Yes, discrimination is not inherently a bad thing. It's the first brocha you make each morning. You ask to have at least as much discrimination as a chicken. Look in your siddur (hanosein lasechvi l'HOVCHIN). What's wrong with havchona?


He was advocating for a dangerous scam. I embarrassed him and insulted him to shut him up. Everyone arguing the details with him, was giving him credibility, so I tried the shouting insults method (I learned it from Trump :) )
Except that he wasn't. He very clearly said that he was referring only to the loyalty aspect and knew nothing about the matching thing.

It would make sense for you to learn those things from Trump.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:10:51 AM
I wasn't talking about the matching part; I thought there was a discount program which preceded it.

And, FTR, once someone was involved in one scam, even if well meaning, I agree that it's best to stay away from future business endeavors with him.

Neither am I. The loyalty program itself has these issues. +1 on staying away from him. Never believe some that he learned his lesson. We see here that even if he learned a lesson it was the wrong one.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 11:11:41 AM
Except that IIRC he NEVER defended the matching part only the loyalty program. Are you incapable of discriminating between the two? You may do well reading this thread after Freddie's comment.
Except that he wasn't. He very clearly said that he was referring only to the loyalty aspect and knew nothing about the matching thing.

It would make sense for you to learn those things from Trump.
If you got nothing better to do with your time, read thru this thread slowly. You'll see that your wrong, he was responding to the tuition scam.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65888.msg1549793#msg1549793

I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 11:13:24 AM
If you got nothing better to do with your time, read thru this thread slowly. You'll see that your wrong, he was responding to the tuition scam.
Can you show me where he actually recommended it, rather than just saying to keep an open mind?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Moshe123 on September 05, 2016, 11:14:13 AM
Somehow it's the same people as the Trumpkins that fall for the Trump scam.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 11:15:24 AM
Can you show me where he actually recommended it, rather than just saying to keep an open mind?
Enough! Can we move on in life?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 11:16:10 AM
Enough! Can we move on in life?
I certainly hope so.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 11:19:45 AM
Enough! Can we move on in life?
yes. This is becoming silly. Sorry.  :)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 11:25:15 AM
Can everyone grow up?
It will come with age  ;)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:25:41 AM
Somehow it's the same people as the Trumpkins that fall for the Trump scam.
Yup. All the shallow wordthinkers are at it again.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:28:01 AM
If you got nothing better to do with your time, read thru this thread slowly. You'll see that your wrong, he was responding to the tuition scam.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65888.msg1549793#msg1549793

The loyalty program was also supposed to be towards tuition.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 11:28:36 AM
Yup. All the shallow wordthinkers are at it again.
lol, Trumpkins are such deep thinkers.  ;D

Trump is so so deep.

Aristotle, Kant, Trump.............
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 11:35:57 AM
lol, Trumpkins are such deep thinkers.  ;D

Trump is so so deep.

Aristotle, Kant, Trump.............
Shallow wordthink again. I never said that Trump or Trumpkins are deep. They are equally shallow. Shallow is someone who cannot tell the difference between the good and bad aspects of a single thing. Trump is not a good candidate. That does not mean that there are no good aspects about him. You have heard this from me hundreds of times and yet you shallowly see only that in the two person race I prefer T to H and cannot tell the difference between that and a Trumpkin.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 05, 2016, 12:23:10 PM
Some simple questions.

1) What sort of loyalty program makes you buy in at outrageous prices?
1) Has anyone ever seen a loyalty program that doubles your money every year?
3) So I "invest" $10,000 and my loyalty rewards will be $10,000, no matter how much I spend in stores, and if I "invest" $100, I can only max out at $100?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 12:25:33 PM
Some simple questions.

1) What sort of loyalty program makes you buy in at outrageous prices?
1) Has anyone ever seen a loyalty program that doubles your money every year?
3) So I "invest" $10,000 and my loyalty rewards will be $10,000, no matter how much I spend in stores, and if I "invest" $100, I can only max out at $100?

The answer to all of these is none including even the best crazy claims of this one.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Zalc on September 05, 2016, 12:28:24 PM


Registrant Org Zvi Bogomilsky

Domain Name:CHABADAMBIT.INFO
Registrant Street: 383 Kingston Ave

Domain Name:AMBITCHABAD.ORG
Registrant Street: 1475 President St

Domain Name: CHABADAMBIT.NET
I stand corrected then, targeting.

And with the Chutzpah to mix Chabad with his shenanigans...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: chaimmayer on September 05, 2016, 12:50:18 PM
http://matzav.com/update-on-bogo-tuition-fund/
Wow the other two including the Dayan don't even know anything about it.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Emkay on September 05, 2016, 01:08:44 PM
http://matzav.com/update-on-bogo-tuition-fund/
Wow the other two including the Dayan don't even know anything about it.
Didn't say that.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Sammy82 on September 05, 2016, 01:17:38 PM
http://matzav.com/update-on-bogo-tuition-fund/
Wow the other two including the Dayan don't even know anything about it.
Where do you see that?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 05, 2016, 01:42:20 PM
From Tzvi Bogomilsky
" This is Tzvi Bogomilsky.  This is 100 percent a scam by my retarded cousin from NJ.  My cousin is a whack job who rides my name because it lends  credibility. My phone has not stopped ringing because the site says zvi Bogomilsky. Not Tzvi Bogomilsky and when you google it you find me.  He has no backers and no money and there is no guarantee that he will pay a dime to your school. It's a Ponzi scam.  He is saying that if you give him a thousand he will give you two.  Common.  It's not tax exempt but it's played as a tuition fund.  I posted on the site a disclaimer because I do not want people to be conned and they will think it's me.  Go to the site and ask yourself.  Why are there no true facts. Who is behind this do I know him? Do I trust him. 

And if you still think it's me then ask why the hell I would choose Lakewood and not miami where I live."
where did you see this?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 05, 2016, 01:45:32 PM
At what point does this become a felony, and at what point should the feds be involved?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 05, 2016, 02:01:32 PM
He later explained that this was about the loyalty portion and not this matching thing.
He asked to point out where he defended it and that is what I did.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: username on September 05, 2016, 02:03:47 PM
At what point does this become a felony, and at what point should the feds be involved?
If Baruch atually hits Exgingi, or threatens bodily harm.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 05, 2016, 02:06:57 PM
From Tzvi Bogomilsky
" This is Tzvi Bogomilsky.  This is 100 percent a scam by my retarded cousin from NJ.  My cousin is a whack job who rides my name because it lends  credibility. My phone has not stopped ringing because the site says zvi Bogomilsky. Not Tzvi Bogomilsky and when you google it you find me.  He has no backers and no money and there is no guarantee that he will pay a dime to your school. It's a Ponzi scam.  He is saying that if you give him a thousand he will give you two.  Common.  It's not tax exempt but it's played as a tuition fund.  I posted on the site a disclaimer because I do not want people to be conned and they will think it's me.  Go to the site and ask yourself.  Why are there no true facts. Who is behind this do I know him? Do I trust him. 

And if you still think it's me then ask why the hell I would choose Lakewood and not miami where I live."
I find it unlikely that a professional would release a public statement worded like that.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 05, 2016, 02:07:15 PM
If Baruch atually hits Exgingi, or threatens bodily harm.
That would be misdemeanors.  :P
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 02:09:55 PM
He asked to point out where he defended it and that is what I did.
it was still only referring to the loyalty portion of the scam
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: cholent on September 05, 2016, 02:10:19 PM
I find it unlikely that a professional would release a public statement worded like that.

That's not the "professional" who's releasing the statement, it's his frustrated cousin who has nothing to do with this tuition craziness
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 02:10:26 PM
And if you still think it's me then ask why the hell I would choose Lakewood and not miami where I live."

Because there are a lot more people paying tuition in Lakewood than in Miami.

(Not saying it was really him, just addressing the logic of his proof.)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 05, 2016, 02:10:31 PM
Guys, this thread has 21 pages in less than 48 hours. I can't read this all. Can someone make a wiki? Maybe @JJ?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakrot on September 05, 2016, 02:10:57 PM
I find it unlikely that a professional would release a public statement worded like that.
Do you know him? While I agree that it's unprofessional there are aspects of this statement which sound like him. Real way to find out would to see if it's posted in the same places on Facebook as yesterday's posts (I think someone in this thread said his wife Sara posted the first one)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2016, 02:14:26 PM
Guys, this thread has 21 pages in less than 48 hours. I can't read this all. Can someone make a wiki? Maybe @JJ?
@JJ is in PIT. Need another volunteer.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 05, 2016, 02:15:34 PM
@JJ is in PIT. Need another volunteer.

And he didn't tell me? In that case you can let him know he's a shvantz.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 05, 2016, 02:15:54 PM
That's not the "professional" who's releasing the statement, it's his frustrated cousin who has nothing to do with this tuition craziness
The one reportedly releasing the statement (Zvi Bogomilsky from FL) is a well known and well to do experienced public persona. I'd be surprised to see such a unprofessionally worded and punctuated public statement coming from him. The other statements that he's released sounded much more polished.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 05, 2016, 02:16:10 PM
And he didn't tell me? In that case you can let him know he's a shvantz.
Add to the Wiki.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 05, 2016, 02:16:23 PM
Guys, this thread has 21 pages in less than 48 hours. I can't read this all. Can someone make a wiki? Maybe @JJ?
What do we need a wiki for? It says it all in the title of the thread
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Cheesecake on September 05, 2016, 02:16:55 PM
What do we need a wiki for? It says it all in the title of the thread
+1
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakrot on September 05, 2016, 02:18:26 PM
The one reportedly releasing the statement (Zvi Bogomilsky from FL) is a well known and well to do experienced public persona. I'd be surprised to see such a unprofessionally worded and punctuated public statement coming from him. The other statements that he's released sounded much more polished.
Could be one was a properly released statement. And the other is a text/email to someone that got passed around.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 05, 2016, 02:19:50 PM
Wiki added.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 05, 2016, 02:22:20 PM
I find it unlikely that a professional would release a public statement worded like that.
Which profession?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: coralsnake on September 05, 2016, 02:25:33 PM
I find it unlikely that a professional would release a public statement worded like that.
Yeah. Sounds like Trump.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 05, 2016, 02:28:18 PM
Yeah. Sounds like Trump.
Lol
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: whYME on September 05, 2016, 02:29:00 PM
Can everyone grow up?
It will come with age  ;)
If only...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 05, 2016, 02:30:11 PM
I thought he lives in monsey, not nj. No?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 05, 2016, 02:32:55 PM
Which profession?
Nursing home owner, iinm.

The other statements he's released seem to have been worded much more professionally, and have proper grammar. This sounds like a twelve year old or Donald Trump, as CS pointed out.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 05, 2016, 03:09:25 PM
it was still only referring to the loyalty portion of the scam
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 05, 2016, 03:13:04 PM
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
No, he has a problem conceding after he loses an argument.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 05, 2016, 03:16:37 PM
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Maybe. Please explain where you see anything there about the matching portion.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 05, 2016, 03:51:43 PM
http://blog.dilbert.com/post/147595892021/how-persuaders-see-the-world

Here's a little more Jewish explanation http://chabadpedia.co.il/index.php/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%97%D7%99%D7%9F_%D7%93%D7%92%D7%93%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%AA
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yosefchaim on September 05, 2016, 04:23:07 PM
A new question. I would assume that anyone who gave them money assumed that there was a anonymous benefactor giving the other half. (Like the quadruple your donation thing that the Tzedakah's run) IF he was planning on USING the money to invest, wouldn't that be outright Genava? Also brought up was the the issur of ribbis?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 04:24:14 PM
A new question. I would assume that anyone who gave them money assumed that there was a anonymous benefactor giving the other half. (Like the quadruple your donation thing that the Tzedakah's run) IF he was planning on USING the money to invest, wouldn't that be outright Genava? Also brought up was the the issur of ribbis?
He did not think that deeply
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: chaimmayer on September 05, 2016, 06:40:50 PM
http://matzav.com/update-on-bogo-tuition-fund/
Wow the other two including the Dayan don't even know anything about it.
Didn't say that.
Where do you see that?

Ok this is what it actually says
Zachariah tells Matzav.com that he and Rav Chaim Mayer Roth, who had also been said to be overseeing the fund, take no responsibility of the fund and its operations.

The involvement of Rav Roth and R Zachariah was simply as a chesed to the klal to ensure some level of accountability.

I didn't mean to say that they didn't know their names were being used just that it appears that they know no details although somehow are helping klal Yisrael by being involved.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Moshe123 on September 05, 2016, 06:51:35 PM
This sounds like a twelve year old or Donald Trump, as CS pointed out.

Redundant
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: AsherO on September 05, 2016, 07:16:26 PM
And he didn't tell me? In that case you can let him know he's a shvantz.
Add to the Wiki.

So now the Wiki has a shvantz?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 05, 2016, 07:27:06 PM
is there a new voicemail or did dan just post the old sungames one ?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Palm5 on September 05, 2016, 07:49:08 PM
So what is happening to the perpetrator of this scam? Nothing? He'll prob get Shishi this coming shabbos.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakov116 on September 05, 2016, 07:54:00 PM
So what is happening to the perpetrator of this scam? Nothing? He'll prob get Shishi this coming shabbos.
nope shlishi
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Palm5 on September 05, 2016, 08:10:10 PM
nope shlishi

If he gets Shishi he has more time to scam people. If he gets shlishi people will start asking why he got shlishi
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 05, 2016, 08:11:08 PM
So what is happening to the perpetrator of this scam? Nothing? He'll prob get Shishi this coming shabbos.

nope shlishi
Monsey=shishi, Lakewood=shlishi
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 05, 2016, 08:17:13 PM
Well baruch should invite him to Lakewood for shabbos for he can get shlishi in yoshon
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 06, 2016, 12:12:36 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't follow this thread. Can someone just please tell me if this is basically correct?

A guy promised everybody that any money they give him over a certain 24 period will pay off 100% interest by the end of the current school year. People then realized that this was far-fetched and the whole thing fizzled. Now we are debating whether the guy was well meaning or stam a crook.

Is that basically it?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 12:14:32 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't follow this thread. Can someone just please tell me if this is basically correct?

A guy promised everybody that any money they give him over a certain 24 period will pay off 100% interest by the end of the current school year. People then realized that this was far-fetched and the whole thing fizzled. Now we are debating whether the guy was well meaning or stam a crook.

Is that basically it?
close enough
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yitrap on September 06, 2016, 12:36:58 AM
And he didn't tell me? In that case you can let him know he's a shvantz.
This + Wiki is best of DDF material
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Something Fishy on September 06, 2016, 01:38:03 AM
I'm sorry, I didn't follow this thread. Can someone just please tell me if this is basically correct?

A guy promised everybody that any money they give him over a certain 24 period will pay off 100% interest by the end of the current school year. People then realized that this was far-fetched and the whole thing fizzled. Now we are debating whether the guy was well meaning or stam a crook.

Is that basically it?

That is the secondary discussion in this thread. The primary issue is apparently whether a certain DDF'er is or is not a fool.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: jj1000 on September 06, 2016, 08:38:08 AM
And he didn't tell me? In that case you can let him know he's a shvantz.
Does being called a shvantz by @Freddie make me like instant gezhe? It's like all my years of yeshiva finally paid of. Or like being knighted by the Queen li'havdil.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 09:12:48 AM
Does being called a shvantz by @Freddie make me like instant gezhe? It's like all my years of yeshiva finally paid of. Or like being knighted by the Queen li'havdil.
Meh. We need to hear some serious utterances pronounced by you before you can even be considered.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dave321 on September 06, 2016, 09:52:52 AM
Why doesnt Roth and Co out whoever started this whole thing? Its making them look bad.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 06, 2016, 10:28:12 AM
shvantz? Same as schwantz?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: jj1000 on September 06, 2016, 11:24:42 AM
shvantz? Same as schwantz?

Yup.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 06, 2016, 11:27:28 AM
Yup.
I get a shower post censored and that gets by? Talk about double standards.  >:(
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 06, 2016, 11:30:30 AM
Does being called a shvantz by @Freddie make me like instant gezhe? It's like all my years of yeshiva finally paid of. Or like being knighted by the Queen li'havdil.

Only if a table gets flipped over and handfulls of cole slaw are thrown.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 06, 2016, 11:31:19 AM
I get a shower post censored and that gets by? Talk about double standards.  >:(

Re-write your shower post in Yiddish and it will get by.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Redbull3 on September 06, 2016, 11:44:45 AM
shvantz? Same as schwantz?
Yup.
Seriously? Not according to urban dictionary...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: jj1000 on September 06, 2016, 12:32:25 PM
Only if a table gets flipped over and handfulls of cole slaw are thrown.
For some reason I don't take you as that type, no offense :P
Re-write your shower post in Yiddish and it will get by.
How true.
Seriously? Not according to urban dictionary...
Clearly don't speak yiddish :P
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 06, 2016, 02:29:58 PM
Why doesnt Roth and Co out whoever started this whole thing? Its making them look bad.
It's very strange. Looks like they are involved somehow.
Is Dayan Roth also related to Roth and co??
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 02:42:29 PM
It's very strange. Looks like they are involved somehow.
Is Dayan Roth also related to Roth and co??
Yes. He is a son.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: MarkS on September 06, 2016, 02:46:42 PM
And it all gets sketchier...

I have to wonder 'direct control of Roth' means BOGO comes to them and says I need to pull out money to invest or pay schools etc so they sign on the dotted line and next thing you know - boom, the money is used for a different purpose. OOPS.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 06, 2016, 02:51:52 PM
Yes. He is a son.
And we are sure Dayan Roth is Chaim Meir Roth??
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: henche on September 06, 2016, 02:56:26 PM
Cool. 24 page recap?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 06, 2016, 02:56:45 PM
Anyone know if people were able to pull their money out as promised?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: cholent on September 06, 2016, 02:58:20 PM
Cool. 24 page recap?
Read the wiki
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: HowYaDoin on September 06, 2016, 02:58:57 PM
Cool. 24 page recap?
Freddie called JJ a Shvantz
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 06, 2016, 02:59:51 PM
Freddie called JJ a Shvantz
Jtz is wondering about the censorship
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on September 06, 2016, 03:00:57 PM
Cool. 24 page recap?

Where's the guy who always says: impossible.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 06, 2016, 03:04:11 PM
Cool. 24 page recap?

Zvi Bogomilsky is a scam artist. No, not that one, the other one. He's a cousin.
JJ is a shvantz
exGingi is a fool and a liar. Or he might not be.
Dan hates Lakewood.
Baruch is mad.
Freddie is also mad, but for different reasons.
Trump is involved.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yoohoo on September 06, 2016, 03:14:45 PM
Zvi Bogomilsky is a scam artist. No, not that one, the other one. He's a cousin.
JJ is a shvantz
exGingi is a fool and a liar. Or he might not be.
Dan hates Lakewood.
Baruch is mad.
Freddie is also mad, but for different reasons.
Trump is involved.
love it. Can I request a recap from u on other threads?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dave321 on September 06, 2016, 03:48:56 PM
Anyone know if people were able to pull their money out as promised?

1st hand. Roth and Co saying they have nothing to do with it. not giving out any money. #amex
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 06, 2016, 03:53:24 PM
1st hand. Roth and Co saying they have nothing to do with it. not giving out any money. #amex
Wow
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 06, 2016, 04:43:33 PM
Wiki updated.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Super Speed on September 06, 2016, 05:11:46 PM
Wiki updated.
I feel honored that I made it to the wiki
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 06, 2016, 05:41:12 PM
I feel honored that I made it to the wiki
yup even trump didn't make it in
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 06:09:31 PM
yup even trump didn't make it in
FTFY. Wiki updated.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 06:16:35 PM
I would nominate DDF wikis and corresponding threads, to be included by the next secretary of education as mandatory curriculum in poetry, political and social sciences (and possibly others).

P.s. Apologies for any typographical or grammatical errors, written while on the phone with Chase recon. :)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: David Smith on September 06, 2016, 06:20:44 PM
Isn't it fascinating how the POTUS elections and 50% off tuition have the identical wiki?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 06:21:50 PM
Isn't it fascinating how the POTUS elections and 50% off tuition have the identical wiki?
They are both scams.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 06:24:19 PM
They are both scams.
ALOL
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 08:26:38 PM
It just hit me. I don't know how this most obvious realization didn't come to me before, when the clue was all along in @Baruch's tag line.

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SELL HERRING MIGHT BE A FOOL.  ;D
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Sport on September 06, 2016, 08:59:54 PM
Love the wiki! Is it a coincident that its the same usual suspects ?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 06, 2016, 09:06:01 PM
Isn't it fascinating how the POTUS elections and 50% off tuition have the identical wiki?
I wonder what wud happen if u throw zvi bogomilsky into the presidential race
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 09:06:23 PM
Love the wiki! Is it a coincident that its the same usual suspects ?
Hey, we're mostly Jewish here so it has to boil down to food sooner or later.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:07:16 PM
It just hit me. I don't know how this most obvious realization didn't come to me before, when the clue was all along in @Baruch's tag line.

ANYONE WHO DOESN'T SELL HERRING MIGHT BE A FOOL.  ;D
lol.

Not that many people are fools. Just people who vouch for scam artists. Sadly, you did that :P


I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 09:07:32 PM
Love the wiki! Is it a coincident that its the same usual suspects ?
Nothing is a coincidence.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 09:13:19 PM
Lol.

Not that many people are fools. Just people who vouch for scam artists. Sadly, you did just that :P
You mean those that question the intelligence of those that call for due diligence before putting money into anything, as you clearly did before. I guess we have to deduce that you don't sell herring :P
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 09:14:03 PM
Here we go again.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:14:40 PM
You mean those that question the intelligence of those that call for due diligence before putting money into anything, as you clearly did before. I guess we have to deduce that you don't sell herring :P
And I quote

I have no idea who Schiener is, but I did have a lengthy conversation with Zvi about this. It is a real concept, innovative, and while it is essentially a business concept, he's thinking outside the box and can potentially help lots of people pay their tuition bills (and help Moisdos struggling to cover their budget deficits).

Think about UR or MR style points that can be used to pay tuition, you can earn a lot of them but they expire fast if you don't use them.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 06, 2016, 09:17:02 PM
Here we go again.
I'm not going there. I tried putting a little bit of a lighter tone to everything, but some would rather go in circles.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:23:06 PM
I'm not going there. I tried putting a little bit of a lighter tone to everything, but some would rather go in circles.
I'm just quoting you.

Here's another quote


your response to CBC comparing bogotisky to Madooff
You are clueless.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:23:43 PM
I'm not going there. I tried putting a little bit of a lighter tone to everything, but some would rather go in circles.
If I were you I wouldn't either rehash this.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 09:24:27 PM
Here we go again.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 06, 2016, 09:26:38 PM
Ad kan hakofah gimmel.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 09:28:22 PM
Ad kan hakofah gimmel.
Are you going to enforce it or brr the gabbai banging on the bima while everyone keeps on going.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:30:29 PM
Ad kan hakofah gimmel.
Ok I'll stop. I didn't bring it up again, exgingi did. (Uch! I sound like Trump)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 09:31:38 PM


(Uch! I sound like Trump)
like many of his detractors

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:34:06 PM
BTW, @exgingi is one of my favorite DDFers. Always has something smart to add to the conversation.

I was shocked when he wrote what he did about Bogustitsky.


Peace!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Baruch on September 06, 2016, 09:34:28 PM
like many of his detractors
here we go again ;D :P
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 06, 2016, 11:44:54 PM
I'm just quoting you.

Here's another quote


your response to CBC comparing bogotisky to Madooff
That one is takeh not specific to the loyalty part. I sort of take it back, but here it is about the lesson who I am sure seems like like a nice guy when you meet him. Then again, so did Madoff.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 07, 2016, 12:00:34 AM
BTW, @exgingi is one of my favorite DDFers. Always has something smart to add to the conversation.

I was shocked when he wrote what he did about Bogustitsky.


Peace!
+1
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 07, 2016, 12:38:45 AM
BTW, @exgingi is one of my favorite DDFers. Always has something smart to add to the conversation.

I was shocked when he wrote what he did about Bogustitsky.


Peace!
Ok. So for the sake of keeping @Baruch and CBC happy, I will publicly admit that my first two posts on the subject were written without carefully reading the ad in question. All I knew about was the patent pending program, and without making any judgment call on whether it will or will not work, I did see that it might have merit.

I later realized that the ad was referring to something other than the loyalty program, and publicly acknowledged that I was clueless about it (though I did not use the term clueless), and from that point on made a clear distinction and differentiation between BOGO loyalty and the "tuition match".

While I have my own thoughts and opinions, about both the BOGO loyalty and the "tuition match", I have shared them with no one and will keep it that way. I was taking the public (and personal) approach of being דן לכף זכות, which could cover a spectrum of different possibilities.

Peace!
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 07, 2016, 12:43:20 AM
Ok. So for the sake of keeping @Baruch and CBC happy, I will publicly admit that my first two posts were on the subject were written without carefully reading the ad in question. All I knew about was the patent pending program, and without making any judgment call on whether it will or will not work, I did see that it might have merit.

I later realized that the ad was referring to something other than the loyalty program, and publicly acknowledged that I was clueless about it (though I did not use the term clueless), and from that point on made a clear distinction and differentiation between BOGO loyalty and the "tuition match".

While I have my own thoughts and opinions, about both the BOGO loyalty and the "tuition match", I have shared them with no one and will keep it that way. I was taking the public (and personal) approach of being דן לכף זכות, which could cover a spectrum of different possibilities.

Peace!
Can we put a fork in this now?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 07, 2016, 12:50:25 AM
Ok. So for the sake of keeping @Baruch and CBC happy, I will publicly admit that my first two posts were on the subject were written without carefully reading the ad in question. All I knew about was the patent pending program, and without making any judgment call on whether it will or will not work, I did see that it might have merit.

I later realized that the ad was referring to something other than the loyalty program, and publicly acknowledged that I was clueless about it (though I did not use the term clueless), and from that point on made a clear distinction and differentiation between BOGO loyalty and the "tuition match".

While I have my own thoughts and opinions, about both the BOGO loyalty and the "tuition match", I have shared them with no one and will keep it that way. I was taking the public (and personal) approach of being דן לכף זכות, which could cover a spectrum of different possibilities.

Peace!

A little OT, but does דן לכף זכות mean that if someone gets caught stealing from many people a few times that we have to assume he is innocent when involved in similar ventures?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 07, 2016, 12:54:54 AM
A little OT, but does דן לכף זכות mean that if someone gets caught stealing from many people a few times that we have to assume he is innocent when involved in similar ventures?
Yes that's what it means, the question is if u have to be Dan lekaf zchus
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 07, 2016, 01:12:53 AM
A little OT, but does דן לכף זכות mean that if someone gets caught stealing from many people a few times that we have to assume he is innocent when involved in similar ventures?
Do you have any DP other than Ambit, for which, as @aygart pointed out, one might be excused?

I do not put it beyond any Ambit promoter to be ignorant of the impossiblity of promising savings, or even about the shady fine print in the contracts, until they become aware through personal experience, which can come sooner or later.

I might be naive, but I tend to see everyone as innocent until proven guilty. That doesn't mean that I don't use caution, or that I trust statements made (especially when it comes to financial issues and products). On the contrary, I have a tendency (might be from the school of life) to question almost every statement or promise I hear, and am very cautious when presenting to my clients to the point that I would rather kill the sale with disclosures, than have an unhappy customer down the road.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 07, 2016, 01:17:25 AM
Yes that's what it means, the question is if u have to be Dan lekaf zchus
I don't know if you have to be דן לכף זכות, but I am quite positive that everyone here would like to have that applied to themselves (especially on ר״ה and יו״כ) and after all don't we say מאי דסני עלך לא תעביד לחברך?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yosefchaim on September 07, 2016, 03:24:19 PM
I don't know if you have to be דן לכף זכות, but I am quite positive that everyone here would like to have that applied to themselves (especially on ר״ה and יו״כ) and after all don't we say מאי דסני עלך לא תעביד לחברך?
IF, again IF, the plan was to invest the money he got, then I would think it's straight out Genava. People who gave to it, are assuming there is some anonymous donor helping out struggling families and Mosdos, which makes it a P'ekodon. Not that are giving it as an Iska (Ribbis?) to hopefully make some money. (Again maybe we should be Dan L'chaf Zechus that this was not his intention, and rather there was a secret benefactor here.)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 07, 2016, 03:29:51 PM
wiki definitely has to be updated :D :D :D
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 07, 2016, 03:50:16 PM
I don't know if you have to be דן לכף זכות, but I am quite positive that everyone here would like to have that applied to themselves (especially on ר״ה and יו״כ) and after all don't we say מאי דסני עלך לא תעביד לחברך?
First let's see if the guy is returning the money...if he does then u can start being Dan lekaf zchus
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: rs242 on September 07, 2016, 05:11:49 PM
Does anyone know who the winner of the free tuition for a year is?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: coralsnake on September 07, 2016, 05:13:44 PM
Does anyone know who the winner of the free tuition for a year is?
BOGO
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: rs242 on September 07, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
BOGO
I didn't ask who won for life
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 08, 2016, 11:16:41 AM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2016/09/update-bogo-tuition-campaign-broke-terms-of-service-host-says-donations-cancelled.html
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 08, 2016, 11:19:32 AM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2016/09/update-bogo-tuition-campaign-broke-terms-of-service-host-says-donations-cancelled.html
Wonder if anyone paid in cash.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Menachem613 on September 08, 2016, 11:23:05 AM
Wonder if anyone lost money in both BOGO and Sungame.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 08, 2016, 11:45:34 AM
Wonder if anyone lost money in both BOGO and Sungame.
i would assume that anyone that lost in Sungames would sue some due diligence before investing in crap
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 08, 2016, 11:47:55 AM
i would assume that anyone that lost in Sungames would sue some due diligence before investing in crap

Ah, you would THINK that, but in reality, there are those who refuse to be denied a good opportunity to be scammed again.

I say it glibly but it's really not funny. There are people who are addicted to the lure of fast money. They keep the scammers in business.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 08, 2016, 11:49:31 AM
Ah, you would THINK that, but in reality, there are those who refuse to be denied a good opportunity to be scammed again.

I say it glibly but it's really not funny. There are people who are addicted to the lure of fast money. They keep the scammers in business.
I would agree with you but I don't think such obvious scams will work on the same person twice
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on September 08, 2016, 11:52:36 AM
I would agree with you but I don't think such obvious scams will work on the same person twice

Hmmm, have you ever spoken to the wives of these guys (or husbands of these ladies) who are crying because s/he went and "did it again"? I know it's hard to wrap your head around but yes just as there are serial scammers, there are serial scammees.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: MarkS on September 08, 2016, 12:12:10 PM
And that is precisely why when you hear the words - "yes he was previously involved in an MLM but that was a mistake and now he knows better and this is legit" you must RUN RUN RUN away.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 08, 2016, 12:12:48 PM
http://www.thelakewoodscoop.com/news/2016/09/update-bogo-tuition-campaign-broke-terms-of-service-host-says-donations-cancelled.html
This is a good development, I am actually surprised that Youcaring.com allowed it in the first place, as the way it was worded seemed totally incongruent with the types of campaigns that site is made for.

I will clearly state here: I was wrong by initially implying that there was some merit, as I didn't initially carefully read the ad or wording on the website. As soon as I realized what was being attempted here I clearly differentiated between the "tuition match" campaign and the "loyalty program" and encouraged prudent approach.

My personal opinion is that with this fiasco he killed his loyalty program, which seems like a legitimate business which might or might have not worked, before even getting to try it. If it is to have any chance he will have to take some radical steps (such as renaming it, and removing himself from the business, and only collecting royalties if indeed it ever works out. My guess is that he wouldn't take those steps).

My personal lesson learned here is to take an extra step of caution when making public statements that could be construed in any way as an endorsement.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: skyguy918 on September 08, 2016, 12:30:10 PM
My personal opinion is that with this fiasco he killed his loyalty program, which seems like a legitimate business which might or might have not worked, before even getting to try it. If it is to have any chance he will have to take some radical steps (such as renaming it, and removing himself from the business, and only collecting royalties if indeed it ever works out. My guess is that he wouldn't take those steps).
I don't understand something. Once it's pretty clear to you that this guy was and is involved in some shady things, shouldn't it not matter that on a separate proposal he had a nice idea? Shouldn't you say, I better stay away from this guy - the idea sounds good but I'm not going anywhere near it with this guy involved?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 08, 2016, 12:49:00 PM
I don't understand something. Once it's pretty clear to you that this guy was and is involved in some shady things, shouldn't it not matter that on a separate proposal he had a nice idea? Shouldn't you say, I better stay away from this guy - the idea sounds good but I'm not going anywhere near it with this guy involved?
Thieves can do honest things but don't count on it. Run as fast and as far away as you can.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 08, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
I don't understand something. Once it's pretty clear to you that this guy was and is involved in some shady things, shouldn't it not matter that on a separate proposal he had a nice idea? Shouldn't you say, I better stay away from this guy - the idea sounds good but I'm not going anywhere near it with this guy involved?

Which is precisely why I said:

If it is to have any chance he will have to take radical steps (such as renaming it, and removing himself from the business, and only collecting royalties if indeed it ever works out. My guess is that he wouldn't take those steps).
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: rs242 on September 08, 2016, 03:13:11 PM
Wonder if anyone paid in cash.
Someone said upthread that they went to the store front and ppl lined up handing cash
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: AsherO on September 08, 2016, 03:14:46 PM
We need to add a like button to the Wiki too :D
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 08, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
We need to add a like button to the Wiki too :D
If you keep it up you are going to break the Like button.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: MarkS on September 08, 2016, 04:06:04 PM
If this thread (or many other DDF threads) were reenacted in real life this is how it would sound:

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: rs242 on September 08, 2016, 04:14:32 PM
If this thread (or many other DDF threads) were reenacted in real life this is how it would sound:


Na no fools or liars
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: JTZ on September 08, 2016, 05:38:08 PM
If this thread (or many other DDF threads) were reenacted in real life this is how it would sound:
Who plays who?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aro123 on September 09, 2016, 01:47:55 PM
New update:http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2016/09/bogo-lakewood-update.html?m=1
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: MarkS on September 09, 2016, 02:09:54 PM
New update:http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2016/09/bogo-lakewood-update.html?m=1
So where does the free money come from again?? :)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: ExGingi on September 09, 2016, 04:26:56 PM
New update:http://hefkervelt.blogspot.com/2016/09/bogo-lakewood-update.html?m=1
I guess this time around I was right by saying that I doubt he will take the only steps that might save BOGO loyalty. On the contrary, he is doing the opposite, "merging" something toxic with something that isn't even budding yet.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: chevron on September 11, 2016, 02:34:13 AM
I think its time there was an open discussion on why the frum world has to go to such desperate measures for funds for yeshiva.

#1 the leadership is corrupt
#2 stop with fancy buildings if you have no money

etc.. I dont have solutions but witth this and sungames you can clearly see there is a sickness
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Emkay on September 11, 2016, 08:15:38 AM


I think its time there was an open discussion on why the frum world has to go to such desperate measures for funds for yeshiva.

#1 the leadership is corrupt
#2 stop with fancy buildings if you have no money

etc.. I dont have solutions but witth this and sungames you can clearly see there is a sickness
Are you serious?
Its no secret why.
When all your students pay a quarter or less of what other private schools charge you end up with financial issues.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Moshe123 on September 11, 2016, 08:22:12 AM
Are you serious?
Its no secret why.
When all your students pay a quarter or less of what other private schools charge you end up with financial issues.

Exactly.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 11, 2016, 08:29:20 AM
I think its time there was an open discussion on why the frum world has to go to such desperate measures for funds for yeshiva.

#1 the leadership is corrupt
#2 stop with fancy buildings if you have no money

etc.. I dont have solutions but witth this and sungames you can clearly see there is a sickness
don't forget Bernie Madoff too
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Sport on September 11, 2016, 09:06:45 AM
I think its time there was an open discussion on why the frum world has to go to such desperate measures for funds for yeshiva.

#1 the leadership is corrupt
#2 stop with fancy buildings if you have no money

etc.. I dont have solutions but witth this and sungames you can clearly see there is a sickness
3. Public funds (tzedukah) goes to the extravagant and  flashier events and gets consumed by overhead instead of going to our communal infrastructure.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 11, 2016, 09:32:13 AM
I think its time there was an open discussion on why the frum world has to go to such desperate measures for funds for yeshiva.

#1 the leadership is corrupt
#2 stop with fancy buildings if you have no money

etc.. I dont have solutions but witth this and sungames you can clearly see there is a sickness

Are you blaming the schools or the people in the schools?
Are the schools really the blame for bogo?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: aygart on September 11, 2016, 09:32:50 AM
Are you blaming the schools or the people in the schools?
What difference does it make? He is blaming.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: mendy from lakewood on September 11, 2016, 09:37:46 AM
Chevron I don't think you have a point here, you are just trying to vent which I believe there's enough other threads for that ;)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 11, 2016, 09:39:07 AM
What difference does it make? He is blaming.

True dat
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: chevron on September 11, 2016, 02:53:29 PM
Every one acknowledges that the system is broken. Its broken if schools are always bankrupt, teachers on strike, parents paying 25%+ of annual income to schools etc. This BOGO thing is just feeding off the issues there are and highlights just how desperate people are.

But the sickness is there regardless of whom is to blame, the same sickness that ails millions of americans with college debts, for degrees they didnt get, need, or use.. in schools they didnt need but paid a ton for because of prestige.

Why should I vent? you think I give a crap? other than seeing friends crippled by financial loads of 40k+ a year in tuition. The Yeshiva system didn't do anything for me and I dont respect it as an institution... you can ash me but im being honest, my best years of my education and formation were spent in a cheder of 6 kids which functioned as a CO-OP school.. parents taught for 1-2 hours a day and we learned in a shull

Sure if you make 100$ an hour post tax and teach 20 hours a month for 10 months thats 20k of lost income, but if you made that much you should afford tuition.

Some ideas would be to revamp the yeshiva as an institution, the modern day yeshiva is, well, modern day.. few kids unless you were an iluy or son of wealthy parents, went to yeshiva.

The issue of economic sustainability is present in any institution no matter how noble its intentions... Avot laid it out "im ein kemach ein torah"

Every one is entitled to do as they please, as you are entitled to learn in kolel etc or choose your children's education, i'm entitled to voice my thoughts on this.

Some yeshivot are cutting edge in education and child growth etc but to compare them to private schools at even 25% ? when I was in yeshiva and got in trouble I was punished, who ever hear of a Yeshiva with a competent social worker or staff physiologist at my age ? kids used to tell horror stories of my principle, so once when I was sent to the principle, I hid in the bathroom for days

Lets not even discuss the teachers qualification, often they had 0 background and were just bochurim or newly married people.

The yeshiva system has changed and improved, but what i'm pointing to is the need to invest in education.

Rather than fancy weddings and expensive sheitels (heres where the usual people will twist my words to imply im bashing the frum community) annd of course a bed bath and beyond list which makes me envious as a single guy, community's etc should build financial frameworks for investing in chinuch.

You get married, the community gifts you with a 5k seed fund, you contribute to it, the community matches etc? it should be like a college fund, invest in your kids future.




Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: shulem92 on September 11, 2016, 03:03:26 PM
This is the longest post I have ever seen for a guy who says...

Why should I vent? you think I give a crap?

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Connieg on September 11, 2016, 03:27:49 PM
Maybe the cost of education has risen with all the specialties now require
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 11, 2016, 04:42:15 PM
Every one acknowledges that the system is broken. Its broken if schools are always bankrupt, teachers on strike, parents paying 25%+ of annual income to schools etc. This BOGO thing is just feeding off the issues there are and highlights just how desperate people are.

But the sickness is there regardless of whom is to blame, the same sickness that ails millions of americans with college debts, for degrees they didnt get, need, or use.. in schools they didnt need but paid a ton for because of prestige.

Why should I vent? you think I give a crap? other than seeing friends crippled by financial loads of 40k+ a year in tuition. The Yeshiva system didn't do anything for me and I dont respect it as an institution... you can ash me but im being honest, my best years of my education and formation were spent in a cheder of 6 kids which functioned as a CO-OP school.. parents taught for 1-2 hours a day and we learned in a shull

Sure if you make 100$ an hour post tax and teach 20 hours a month for 10 months thats 20k of lost income, but if you made that much you should afford tuition.

Some ideas would be to revamp the yeshiva as an institution, the modern day yeshiva is, well, modern day.. few kids unless you were an iluy or son of wealthy parents, went to yeshiva.

The issue of economic sustainability is present in any institution no matter how noble its intentions... Avot laid it out "im ein kemach ein torah"

Every one is entitled to do as they please, as you are entitled to learn in kolel etc or choose your children's education, i'm entitled to voice my thoughts on this.

Some yeshivot are cutting edge in education and child growth etc but to compare them to private schools at even 25% ? when I was in yeshiva and got in trouble I was punished, who ever hear of a Yeshiva with a competent social worker or staff physiologist at my age ? kids used to tell horror stories of my principle, so once when I was sent to the principle, I hid in the bathroom for days

Lets not even discuss the teachers qualification, often they had 0 background and were just bochurim or newly married people.

The yeshiva system has changed and improved, but what i'm pointing to is the need to invest in education.

Rather than fancy weddings and expensive sheitels (heres where the usual people will twist my words to imply im bashing the frum community) annd of course a bed bath and beyond list which makes me envious as a single guy, community's etc should build financial frameworks for investing in chinuch.

You get married, the community gifts you with a 5k seed fund, you contribute to it, the community matches etc? it should be like a college fund, invest in your kids future.

Sounds like Obama.
Education is too expensive and the solution is we need to spend more.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 11, 2016, 04:53:20 PM
Can someone explain the scam to me in a short summary? LOL
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 11, 2016, 05:01:00 PM
Can someone explain the scam to me in a short summary? LOL

You hand Mr. Bogo $10,000, in return you get a false promise that he will pay $20,000 towards your children's tuition.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 11, 2016, 05:18:44 PM
You hand Mr. Bogo $10,000, in return you get a false promise that he will pay $20,000 towards your children's tuition.
So hold on a second, where is mr bogo even claiming to get the money/backing from? And what is officially in in for him?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yakrot on September 11, 2016, 05:22:18 PM
So hold on a second, where is mr bogo even claiming to get the money/backing from? And what is officially in in for him?
Apparently he does not need to know answers to your very prudent questions to get ppl to give him money
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: yuneeq on September 11, 2016, 05:25:04 PM
So hold on a second, where is mr bogo even claiming to get the money/backing from? And what is officially in in for him?

If you ask Mr. Bogo, he'll try to say that loyalty, referrals, rainbows, and unicorns create money out of thin air.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: MarkS on September 11, 2016, 05:27:58 PM
The basic scheme is that if I sign you up as a loyalty member at a store, when you shop there, there store gives a 2% loyalty rebate to me. (Wait - so that doesn't help you and encourage YOU to shop, it only helps me). So if I get 10 people under me, And they all spend money, I get a total of 20% off of my purchases. Heck if I get enough people I get paid to shop there!!

That's his premise.

Edit: Here is a quote from the patent applicationOptionally, all members (100, 200) may initially receive a 2% cash-back benefit on their purchases made at participating merchants 300. Once 5 people are referred to the program by the member, the prime member 100 will get 25% of the average of the purchases made by the member's referred members 200 in a cash back benefit. Once the prime member 100 refers 5 additional members for a total of 10 referred members 200, the benefit to the prime member 100 will increase to 50%, another 5 additional referred members 200 for a total of 15 members, will increase the benefit to 75%, and with 5 additional members for a total of 20 referred members, the benefit will reach 100%.
[0027]
An optional feature would allow the prime member 100 to receive more than 100%, such as referring 5 additional members for a total of 25 referred members 200, will generate 125% cash back, and 5 more additional members for a total of 30 members, will increase the benefit to 150% cash back. The value of the benefits to the members can be adjusted through a combination of adjusting the percentage of each transaction which can be used to credit the member, as well as the number of referred members for each prime member.
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The cash back benefit can be adjusted based on how much the prime member 100 personally spends at participating merchants and service providers. For example: If the member only spent $500 in the month of January, and 20 referred members 200 spent an average of $1,000, the member would only get back $500. A reason to design the payout in that manner would be to encourage the prime member 100 to spend as much as possible at participating merchants and service providers.



So basically he's saying that if I get more and more people to shop there (again with no incentive to my friends) then my % off gets bigger and bigger. Highly unsustainable and ONLY beneficial to the people at the very top......
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Yehuda25 on September 11, 2016, 05:28:12 PM
odd, usually at least there is some kind of made up reason...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: chevron on September 11, 2016, 05:35:39 PM
The basic scheme is that if I sign you up as a loyalty member at a store, when you shop there, there store gives a 2% loyalty rebate to me. (Wait - so that doesn't help you and encourage YOU to shop, it only helps me). So if I get 10 people under me, And they all spend money, I get a total of 20% off of my purchases. Heck if I get enough people I get paid to shop there!!

That's his premise.

A credit card processing company tried to get me to do something like this for an orginization. in short if I could generate a certain revenue amount I think like 50 million it was, we'd get 90% of the cc swipe fee's collected. Their argument was that I was handing them 10% swipe fees off 50 million so they are benefiting even with losing 90%

Needless to say I didnt
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Eliyohu on September 11, 2016, 06:47:17 PM


So basically he's saying that if I get more and more people to shop there (again with no incentive to my friends) then my % off gets bigger and bigger. Highly unsustainable and ONLY beneficial to the people at the very top......

Worse, because not just no incentive to your friends but why wont they want to be a prime member themselves and get their own %2  ...
Also the fact which he claims by combining the loyalty program with the tuition fund will help everybody, by way of his logic it will only help those prime members in other words you need people on the bottom not getting a kickback for this money to not chine or of thin air
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: henche on September 11, 2016, 06:55:44 PM
You can't patent a business deal.

Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 11, 2016, 07:06:21 PM
You can't patent a business deal.
You can patent a scam. You then amortize the value of the patent over 10 years, so that you don't have to pay taxes on the earnings.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: 12HRS on September 11, 2016, 09:45:47 PM
Tell them to become DD verified :P

I'm still trying to get DDF verified  :P
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Dan on September 11, 2016, 10:08:47 PM
I'm still trying to get DDF verified  :P
Did you pay the annual fee?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: 12HRS on September 11, 2016, 10:12:26 PM
Did you pay the annual fee?

i obviously didnt sign the NDA...
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Eliyohu on September 11, 2016, 11:51:08 PM
Tell them to become DD verified
I'm still trying to get DDF verified 


http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=53821.0
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: jj1000 on October 20, 2016, 04:30:51 PM
And he didn't tell me? In that case you can let him know he's a shvantz.
in the pit.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on October 20, 2016, 04:46:38 PM
in the pit.

Zdonos naaseh lo k'zachiyos mamash.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: jj1000 on October 20, 2016, 06:15:26 PM
Zdonos naaseh lo k'zachiyos mamash.
That's more like it :)

In tzohar dorm ATM ;). Then heading back to Celev Land.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on October 20, 2016, 06:30:45 PM
Come to yeshiva for mincha maariv.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Brian93 on October 20, 2016, 06:44:43 PM
Zdonos naaseh lo k'zachiyos mamash.
Wiki?
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Freddie on October 20, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
Wiki?

I'll update it.
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: zh cohen on October 26, 2016, 04:27:17 PM

In tzohar dorm ATM ;).

Is that appropriate? ;)
Title: Re: BOGO Tuition Scam
Post by: Toasted on July 24, 2017, 08:44:20 AM
Bump.

I hope it's all sorted out in time for this year's free tuition.