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Title: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yisha on April 11, 2011, 01:02:26 PM
A must see!! From
where MBD took the song yidden!
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4WdFede2wE&feature=share
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Post by: Dan on April 11, 2011, 01:06:28 PM
Old news...
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Post by: Yordai Dooma on April 11, 2011, 01:06:40 PM
A must see!! From
where MBD took the song yidden! http://
www.youtube.com/watch?
v=I4WdFede2wE&feature=share


I've seen it before. Pretty funny. Tried finding it a few days ago to show to someone but couldn't.
Thanks for sharing!
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Post by: moish on April 11, 2011, 01:33:59 PM
can you figure this one out?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y7CGKZOOpg&feature=share&app=desktop
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Post by: Avid Reader on April 11, 2011, 01:41:49 PM
can you figure this one out?


Ooooooooooooooh M'shenichnas Adar.
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Post by: Dan on April 11, 2011, 01:44:12 PM
As long as we're on the topic...
Piamenta's Asher Bara:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MeG-hNXXy6I&feature=share&app=desktop
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Post by: moish on April 11, 2011, 01:44:41 PM
Ooooooooooooooh M'shenichnas Adar.

winner winner chicken dinner
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Post by: Avid Reader on April 11, 2011, 01:50:32 PM
Do the copy-cats buy the rights to replay the song as their own? In Asher Bara the Piamenta's seem to have left the song just as it was made with all it's nuances.


Can someone find Napoleon's March song by the French?
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Post by: Dan on April 11, 2011, 01:53:09 PM
Do the copy-cats buy the rights to replay the song as their own? In Asher Bara the Piamenta's seem to have left the song just as it was made with all it's nuances.


Can someone find Napoleon's March song by the French?
I think you are allowed to steal the tune as long as you change the words.
That's how Shlock Rock existed.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: moish on April 11, 2011, 01:53:48 PM
lipa abi mileibt
its so obvious i wont even post it
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Post by: moish on April 11, 2011, 01:55:12 PM
That's how Shlock Rock existed.
....or the artists dont know ...or care that shlock rock sells 1000 albums with their song
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Post by: elig770 on April 11, 2011, 03:53:37 PM
MBD - Daddy Dear
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R2QKmuqkZU&feature=share&app=desktop
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Cheap dude on April 11, 2011, 04:16:23 PM
A must see!! From
where MBD took the song yidden! http://
www.youtube.com/watch?
v=I4WdFede2wE&feature=share

please correct link
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: whYME on April 11, 2011, 05:27:31 PM
Not as bad as most of the others, but still...
https://youtu.be/g93odzEUXg8?t=58

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Post by: whYME on April 11, 2011, 05:56:53 PM
Tzlil v'zemers betzeis yisroel
(kol isha alert)
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Post by: Avid Reader on April 12, 2011, 01:46:28 AM
In Benny Friedman's new CD Nagila, at the end of the title Moshiach he uses some tunes from 'Dynamite' (Fe! I shouldn't know about that). Bennie's new CD is great though.
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Post by: Cholentfresser on April 12, 2011, 02:07:15 AM
once on the topic...i really like his new album, but it looks like he got some inspiration from lipa. he sticks in some non jewish songs as intros, etc. and not to mention that he sings 'one day' (ha, he actually sings it better than matisyahu :) )
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Post by: shach on April 12, 2011, 10:03:28 AM
A must see!! From
where MBD took the song yidden! http://
www.youtube.com/watch?
v=I4WdFede2wE&feature=share
Could you correct the link please
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Post by: elikay on April 12, 2011, 10:10:07 AM
Could you correct the link please
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I4WdFede2wE
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Post by: damaxer91 on April 12, 2011, 10:21:39 AM
Oh gosh, so many "Goyishe Singers" are stealing stuff from "Jewish Music" these days. Who would've thought?
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Post by: HSS on April 13, 2011, 05:37:50 PM
MBD - Daddy Dear

WOW!! That I never knew..  I love that song, I guess its too good to be originally Jewish... lol
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Post by: shach on April 13, 2011, 06:22:49 PM
heard this back in '94 always got a kick out of it that he didn't change it at all except a little better(rocked up) music
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Post by: Bp on March 04, 2012, 01:18:38 AM
can you figure this one out?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7Y7CGKZOOpg
looks like we have a nice Purim collection ;D
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MtfJgo7sFLY
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Post by: AsherO on March 04, 2012, 01:43:34 AM
looks like we have a nice Purim collection ;D


This is so sad, you're ruining all the 'purim' songs for me...
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Post by: Deal Guy on March 04, 2012, 02:49:23 AM
This is so sad, you're ruining all the 'purim' songs for me...
Exactly. But our song came out before that video clip. lol
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 03:15:42 AM
Im a music expert, dont get me started.
https://youtu.be/g93odzEUXg8?t=58
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 03:18:28 AM
double Album. 

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Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 06:59:05 AM
Im a music expert, dont get me started.

is there a jewish song thats similar?
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Post by: Red on March 04, 2012, 07:31:53 AM
This is so sad, you're ruining all the 'purim' songs for me...

+1 (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/traurig/sad-smiley-046.gif)
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Post by: smurf on March 04, 2012, 09:55:53 AM
is there a jewish song thats similar?
I think some of the music is similar to shwekeys Yedid, Listen at 2:50. Although it's quite a stretch to say they took it from there
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Post by: akivacp on March 04, 2012, 10:27:24 AM

Video removed. Here's a copy
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Post by: MarkS on March 04, 2012, 10:43:04 AM
MBD's Lichteger Shabbos




The Piamenta's Kol Hasameach




 
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 11:59:00 AM
is there a jewish song thats similar?

Ki Hatov
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Post by: Yordai Dooma on March 04, 2012, 12:25:18 PM
Im a music expert, dont get me started.

I love your Anivus ;)
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Post by: Ergel on March 04, 2012, 12:31:26 PM
I love your Anivus ;)
Good thing we're not in the no bullies thread
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Post by: Dan on March 04, 2012, 12:36:33 PM
Basically all the so-called "jewish music" is probably stolen, so those who steal it are in good company.
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Post by: HelpMe on March 04, 2012, 12:40:47 PM
Good thing we're not in the no bullies thread
Do you keep a list of each members "hot buttons"?  :)
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Post by: akivacp on March 04, 2012, 12:49:24 PM
Basically all the so-called "jewish music" is probably stolen, so those who steal it are in good company.
So, if we buy Jewish music, we're buying stolen property. Right?
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Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 12:52:50 PM
Im a music expert, dont get me started.
self proclaimed or do you have a degree?
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 02:16:47 PM
I have only a few music courses down but Ive been studying at Cleveland Institute of Music with prep teachers including 5 years of voice with the retired chair holder of voice at Oberlin (Richard Anderson) as well as 2 years classical guitar (Don Better), I'm also a professional musician which means I get paid to sing. you can google me for more info.  I also have an album that is partially out and the rest is coming http://www.mostlymusic.com/asher-s-nigun.html more will be released shortly. I spend hours every day studying music.  I also have a guitar line.. basically I devote a large part of my life to music. If Im not a degree of expert by now then Id be brain damaged
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Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 02:51:53 PM
i hear ya, sounds awesome

care to elaborate on your guitar line?
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 03:08:52 PM
Classical Guitars. I try to keep my "business" life very private. If you want to know more you can private message me
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Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 03:32:53 PM
thanks, but i personally prefer acoustic. just curious, do you design them?
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Post by: mercaz1 on March 04, 2012, 04:46:46 PM
Most ppl would want to advertise their business life.
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Post by: JEWDA on March 04, 2012, 04:50:09 PM
Classical Guitars. I try to keep my "business" life very private. If you want to know more you can private message me
Really? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12659.msg162974#msg162974
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 05:20:48 PM
Really? http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12659.msg162974#msg162974


Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.
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Post by: Yordai Dooma on March 04, 2012, 05:22:51 PM

Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.
In all honesty, i had the same though as Jewda when you said you like to keep it private.
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 05:26:17 PM
this guy has been following me around since my first post like a rabid dog. If the question was in good faith I'd gladly answer it.
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Post by: jj1000 on March 04, 2012, 05:38:27 PM

Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.
hey man take a chill there are plenty of haters in the world you just have to ignore then and do your thing. I believe there is an ignore option so you don't see posts from specific members you should look into that..
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 04, 2012, 05:48:00 PM
tx

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Post by: akivacp on March 04, 2012, 06:04:01 PM
What Jewish song was ripping off that one?
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Post by: moish on March 04, 2012, 07:01:31 PM
hey take it easy. i for one enjoy your posts, maybe its because we share the love for music, albeit different genres
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Post by: skyguy918 on March 05, 2012, 01:40:43 AM
My father loves to tell over a story he heard from Lenny Solomon, who basically is Shlock Rock. He said a lawyer for a famous musician ((I think it was Billy Joel or Elton John) wanted to begin legal action, or collect royalties (or whatever they're called) for the copyrighted songs Shlock Rock uses. The lawyer sat down with them and his first question was how many albums do you sell. When he heard the answer (it was a low number, be it hundreds or a few thousand) he got up, grabbed his stuff and left.

Obviously the details are a little fuzzy. The point is, almost no one sells enough Jewish music for anyone of note to care about their copyrighted music being used.
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Post by: SuperFlyer on March 05, 2012, 07:46:50 AM
Kol Nidrei By Max Bruch (I believe he invented the Tune to be used for kol nidrei)

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Post by: Dan on March 05, 2012, 09:58:08 AM
My father loves to tell over a story he heard from Lenny Solomon, who basically is Shlock Rock. He said a lawyer for a famous musician ((I think it was Billy Joel or Elton John) wanted to begin legal action, or collect royalties (or whatever they're called) for the copyrighted songs Shlock Rock uses. The lawyer sat down with them and his first question was how many albums do you sell. When he heard the answer (it was a low number, be it hundreds or a few thousand) he got up, grabbed his stuff and left.

Obviously the details are a little fuzzy. The point is, almost no one sells enough Jewish music for anyone of note to care about their copyrighted music being used.
But at least Shlock Rock admits that all their songs are stolen.  These guys like MBD try to pass it off as if they composed them and then curse out those who download their music...
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 05, 2012, 11:02:22 AM
But at least Shlock Rock admits that all their songs are stolen.  These guys like MBD try to pass it off as if they composed them and then curse out those who download their music...

I am in complete agreement
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Post by: Avid Reader on March 05, 2012, 11:22:52 AM
(I believe he invented the Tune to be used for kol nidrei)


From what I'm reading, his composition was based on the already prevalent Kol Nidrei tune. Hi 'invention' was merely the composition you hear in the video.
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Post by: moish on March 05, 2012, 01:16:25 PM
But at least Shlock Rock admits that all their songs are stolen.  These guys like MBD try to pass it off as if they composed them and then curse out those who download their music...
its different. the original artists arent losing money by shlock rock, mbd or weird al yankovic singing a different version. however, downloading illegally is causing a direct loss
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Post by: Dan on March 05, 2012, 01:19:10 PM
downloading illegally is causing a direct loss
Only if you would have bought it otherwise.
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 05, 2012, 01:47:48 PM
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 05, 2012, 01:51:09 PM
in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .
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Post by: Dan on March 05, 2012, 02:00:41 PM
To be clear I'm not advocating downloading music.
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 05, 2012, 02:02:00 PM
Im sorry, I meant the proverbial you for anyone that will listen
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Post by: SuperFlyer on March 05, 2012, 02:03:53 PM
The way to do tshuva? Okay, will buy some although I don't need them.
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Post by: Saver2000 on March 05, 2012, 02:10:13 PM
in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .

Only if you would have bought it otherwise.
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Post by: elig770 on March 05, 2012, 02:15:14 PM
For the record... Downloading music is not against Halacha b/c according to Jewish law you don't own intellectual property.

Feel free to correct me but I did hear this from sources I consider reliable and I personally trust. I'm not saying I endorse downloading music or anything of the sort... All I'm saying is before you claim someone to be Posul Le'Adus please bring facts and sources....
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Post by: MarkS on March 05, 2012, 02:19:34 PM
There is an entire sefer (I don't remember the name) on this topic. I skimmed through it once and I remember him saying that Halachicaly it's muttar to download and that if artists want to protect their material they should include a text on the CD saying they are only 'leasing' the CD and not selling it in which case you are responsible to abide by the terms of the lease.

A few years ago several singers started putting that text on their albums (word for word from what was written in this sefer) but for some reason I haven't seen it recently.

It seems singers and poskim agree that it muttar to copy (http://matzav.com/mbd-continues-effort-to-curb-rampant-copying-cds-matzav-interviews-rabbi-elli-bohm) and thus feel a need to come up with a leasing agreement.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: JEWDA on March 05, 2012, 02:28:49 PM

Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.
Wow I just saw this. I have nothing against you personally I just had to correct a lie.
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Post by: mercaz1 on March 05, 2012, 02:51:09 PM
i have also heard that it is muttar to copy or download music and is not considered stealing
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Post by: AsherO on March 05, 2012, 02:58:14 PM
its different. the original artists arent losing money by shlock rock, mbd or weird al yankovic singing a different version. however, downloading illegally is causing a direct loss

Dan's point was that those artists are thieves themselves (they stole parts of the songs they sing) yet they tell you not to steal their music. Hypocrisy, no?

in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .

No offense, but your post is flamebait...

There is an entire sefer (I don't remember the name) on this topic. I skimmed through it once and I remember him saying that Halachicaly it's muttar to download and that if artists want to protect their material they should include a text on the CD saying they are only 'leasing' the CD and not selling it in which case you are responsible to abide by the terms of the lease.

A few years ago several singers started putting that text on their albums (word for word from what was written in this sefer) but for some reason I haven't seen it recently.

It seems singers and poskim agree that it muttar to copy (http://matzav.com/mbd-continues-effort-to-curb-rampant-copying-cds-matzav-interviews-rabbi-elli-bohm) and thus feel a need to come up with a leasing agreement.

IIRC some of the non-Jewish download (or maybe it was streaming) sites were putting in their T&Cs that you don't actually own the songs you purchase, you're just paying for the rights to use the music pursuant to their terms.
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Post by: JEWDA on March 05, 2012, 03:03:00 PM
i have also heard that it is muttar to copy or download music and is not considered stealing
I also heard that. And I personally download alot of music from one site that has almost every jewish cd that comes out.
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Post by: ChAiM'l on March 05, 2012, 03:42:50 PM
I also heard that. And I personally download alot of music from one site that has almost every jewish cd that comes out.
Have you asked a shaila?
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Post by: JEWDA on March 05, 2012, 03:46:38 PM
Have you asked a shaila?
I heard it straight out from a rabbi.
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Post by: sky121 on March 05, 2012, 04:00:46 PM

Music is a labor of love to me it does not pay the bills as of yet. I hope that people hire me but I do other things as well. Now please bug your pathetic ass off me. OK.

in seriousness downloading songs is illegal. My CD is coming out soon. Dont steal my music, there is no excuse to do it and if you do it you are likely pasul for eidus and if you touch wine its yayin nesech.  The way to do teshuva is to buy it. http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html .


Do I really wanna take Halacha advice from someone who feels the need to resort to 'dirty' language?
Or listen to some 'heartfelt' music by the same guying swearing on the forums?

Hmm..

Not too classy, eh?
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: meshugener on March 05, 2012, 04:01:09 PM
May I know the name (and phone number, if possible) of that rabbi?
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Post by: jj1000 on March 05, 2012, 04:05:09 PM
May I know the name (and phone number, if possible) of that rabbi?
I heard the same psak in the name of Rabbi Osdaba http://www.chkosher.com/BeisDinHours.htm
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Post by: Red on March 05, 2012, 04:16:47 PM
There is an entire sefer (I don't remember the name) on this topic. I skimmed through it once and I remember him saying that Halachicaly it's muttar to download and that if artists want to protect their material they should include a text on the CD saying they are only 'leasing' the CD and not selling it in which case you are responsible to abide by the terms of the lease.

A few years ago several singers started putting that text on their albums (word for word from what was written in this sefer) but for some reason I haven't seen it recently.

It seems singers and poskim agree that it muttar to copy (http://matzav.com/mbd-continues-effort-to-curb-rampant-copying-cds-matzav-interviews-rabbi-elli-bohm) and thus feel a need to come up with a leasing agreement.

This doesn't necessarily work. For example, if you lease something and violate the lease al pi halacha it nullifies the lease from the beginning meaning you have to return the cd and he has to return your money, based on the assumption (closer to a fact) that no artist is really willing to return the money if the "lease" is violated. This proves what it really is, a sale. I'm not saying this gives you a right to copy it, but it does nullify the "lease".
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Post by: asherbarkin on March 05, 2012, 04:37:59 PM
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.
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Post by: JEWDA on March 05, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.
Sure, Rabbi asher barkin!! Thers only one rabbi in the whole world.
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Post by: Red on March 05, 2012, 04:48:49 PM
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

Sorry I didn't read the link you posted, because as most of these kind of discussions go there are many Rabonim on each side and everyone should follow what their Rav says. As far as it being illegal, the sugya of dina d'malchusa dina is a very complicated one and just because it is illegal doesn't mean it's assur. And as far as it being immoral or unethical, that may very well be however that still doesn't make it assur. (Again i'm not condoning it or even paskening that it's muttar however it's not pashut at all).
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Saver2000 on March 05, 2012, 04:49:27 PM
read this http://www.torah.org/learning/honesty/class64.html

and I am a singer and I am not cool with anyone stealing my music.  Let this be public knowledge to anyone here. If one wants my music that is being sold then buy it, if one can't afford it Ill give a free copy, just email me. You may not steal my music.


Switching to to first person for effect

In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.

If somebody has no intention to buy the album (wether its bec. They can't afford or if its bec of a different reason),  there are poskim that hold its totally mutar.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: JEWDA on March 05, 2012, 04:50:10 PM
You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.
+1
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: meshugener on March 05, 2012, 04:52:56 PM
In case its assur, its one of the hardest yetzer horahs to overcome.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: AsherO on March 05, 2012, 04:53:30 PM
In fact I will likely offer my CD for download and if you dont like it you can destroy it and you do not have to pay. But if you do like it you must pay. Its a chaval for a Rabbi to embarrass Hashem kv"y by stipulating that its OK to steal. If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it, and you are going to steal at least you should know that its illegal and immoral

My wife, myself, my children, my parents and all else of those who invested resources into my music do not necessarily want our investment to go to ashes because some Sodomite announced that its OK to steal it. I want to make sure that this is clear in advance.

ooook... Now you're pushing it a bit, IMHO.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

+1

For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music. If I did, I'd consider buying your album.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: jj1000 on March 05, 2012, 04:58:39 PM
If you wouldn't buy it you wouldn't be listening to it
  If i gave you a Lamborghini would you drive it? If YouTube charged $1 to view every video would you still watch a few a day? Just because I won't pay for something doesn't mean I wouldn't do/use it for free.

Also I must agree with what other people are saying halacha is decided by a rav not by what seems right or what your feelings tell you.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: chaimmayer on March 05, 2012, 05:50:17 PM
Another version of chayiv inish - without the kol isha ;)
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: exfallsburg on March 05, 2012, 09:44:35 PM
Ironic - Men At Work face £33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248394/Band-Men-Work-rapped-plagiarism-Down-Under-No-1-hit.html) (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Dan on March 05, 2012, 09:56:33 PM
Ironic - Men At Work face £33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248394/Band-Men-Work-rapped-plagiarism-Down-Under-No-1-hit.html) (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Wow, those songs barely sound similar.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: mercaz1 on March 06, 2012, 09:21:42 AM
For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music.

+1
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: David B on March 06, 2012, 09:35:26 AM
Wow, those songs barely sound similar.

+1
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: smurf on March 06, 2012, 09:52:25 AM
Ironic - Men At Work face £33m bill after judge rules Australian band copied Down Under melody (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1248394/Band-Men-Work-rapped-plagiarism-Down-Under-No-1-hit.html) (this topic is ancient and has been hashed and rehashed ad nauseam)
Does this mean theyre coming after piamenta next?
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2012, 12:41:23 PM
Does this mean theyre coming after piamenta next?
My father loves to tell over a story he heard from Lenny Solomon, who basically is Shlock Rock. He said a lawyer for a famous musician ((I think it was Billy Joel or Elton John) wanted to begin legal action, or collect royalties (or whatever they're called) for the copyrighted songs Shlock Rock uses. The lawyer sat down with them and his first question was how many albums do you sell. When he heard the answer (it was a low number, be it hundreds or a few thousand) he got up, grabbed his stuff and left.

Obviously the details are a little fuzzy. The point is, almost no one sells enough Jewish music for anyone of note to care about their copyrighted music being used.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Drago on March 06, 2012, 12:52:26 PM
If it hasn't been posted yet, here's a comprehensive summary
http://onthisandonthat.blogspot.com/2012/03/and-here-i-thought-origins-of-popular.html
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: doublejay on March 07, 2012, 12:20:58 AM
If i gave you a Lamborghini would you drive it? If YouTube charged $1 to view every video would you still watch a few a day? Just because I won't pay for something doesn't mean I wouldn't do/use it for free.

Also I must agree with what other people are saying halacha is decided by a rav not by what seems right or what your feelings tell you.

Unfair IMO, If there was a really easy way to pay 1 cent a video would you watch that video?

When you think of it that way I think it becomes clear that people would pay. They just don't agree on the price.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Saver2000 on March 07, 2012, 12:23:52 AM
Unfair IMO, If there was a really easy way to pay 1 cent a video would you watch that video?

When you think of it that way I think it becomes clear that people would pay. They just don't agree on the price.

. . . Or they can't afford it. So if it would be 1 cent per song,  they would by it. Now that its $3 per song, they will never buy and therefore not cause any loss by copying.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: doublejay on March 07, 2012, 12:32:50 AM
. . . Or they can't afford it. So if it would be 1 cent per song,  they would by it. Now that its $3 per song, they will never buy and therefore not cause any loss by copying.

Fair point.  I wasn't sure that my first posting fully held water. I agree, finding it too expensive is basically the same thing.

I think it will be harder to argue with my second ha'arah:

Say copying music was totally assur and I didn't have an ipod full of music "i-wasn't-interested-in-buying-but-am willing-to-listen-to-now-and-then" without all that free "junk-i-wouldn't-pay-for" my car rides would be awfully quiet. I think I would stop in to the local judaica store and pick out the least "not-worth-paying-for" CD to make the car ride interesting.

No?

So that new mediocre CD that just came out and you promptly ripped to your collection but are certain you wouldn't actually pay for.... are you really sure?

Are you sure you are buying as many CDs with the invention of a CD burner as if the technology didn't exist?
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Cbs on March 07, 2012, 01:03:47 AM
For the record: (no offense but) I have no interest in your music. If I did, I'd consider buying your album.
+1
+2
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Mocha on March 07, 2012, 08:04:34 AM


hu hu hu, hu yigal osanu

Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: good sam on March 07, 2012, 10:13:21 AM
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: asherbarkin on March 09, 2012, 12:50:31 AM
If somebody has no intention to buy the album (wether its bec. They can't afford or if its bec of a different reason),  there are poskim that hold its totally mutar.

You are a noigaya bedavar and therefore your own psak is pretty much not worth anything.

this is true, never the less I was actually quoting halachically Rabbi Yisroel Belsky and trying to illustrate the logic. If its muttar, its as muttar as the dor hamabul stealing less than a pruta from each other. Its logic defying to be muttar to steal and its likely assur.  Its probably more muttar to use a microphone on shabbos, at least your not hurting anyone. The Jews are supposed to be a light unto the nations and definatly to eacthother, what a silly conversation. You know how many Jews are in the New York State prison system? Dont be matir stealing, besides for the fact that you have to be a shota to actually believe that its OK, you can get prosecuted, heavilt fined etc, it happens occasionally. common, I dear any of you cowards to use your real names here and make an written actual record that says that its OK to steal music. Be mevayesh yourselves brabim, please it will help be mechaper on your aveiros.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: akivacp on March 09, 2012, 08:10:06 AM
...you cowards... Be mevayesh yourselves brabim, please it will help be mechaper on your aveiros.
I'm going to politely ask you to please stop this whole nonsense right now. The name-calling and the mussar, and trying to figure out who's who so you can give a good snap at them directly, etc.. This topic is completely off the rails. Please create a new thread called "issur to rip music off the internet" or something. I don't want to hear(read) this anymore.
Every time I see an alert for a new message in this thread in my inbox, I get excited and want to see what Jewish song ripped off another old goyish song. But no, the new message I see is nonsense which is unrelated to this thread. Please take this elsewhere. It's annoying.
Let me close off saying, that I do not steal music. I use iTunes and MostlyMusic, because I'm a good Jew. NOW EVERYBODY TAKE THIS TOPIC TO A NEW THREAD OR SHUT UP!!!!!
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Mocha on March 09, 2012, 10:11:44 AM
I'm going to politely ask you to please stop this whole nonsense right now. The name-calling and the mussar, and trying to figure out who's who so you can give a good snap at them directly, etc.. This topic is completely off the rails. Please create a new thread called "issur to rip music off the internet" or something. I don't want to hear(read) this anymore.
Every time I see an alert for a new message in this thread in my inbox, I get excited and want to see what Jewish song ripped off another old goyish song. But no, the new message I see is nonsense which is unrelated to this thread. Please take this elsewhere. It's annoying.
Let me close off saying, that I do not steal music. I use iTunes and MostlyMusic, because I'm a good Jew. NOW EVERYBODY TAKE THIS TOPIC TO A NEW THREAD OR SHUT UP!!!!!
+1 Well said
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: asherbarkin on March 09, 2012, 10:58:36 AM
Your right Im sorry. 

I just have one more thing. that Chabad who is pretty lenient on copying music are also by far the biggest frum supporters of the arts. So if a Lubavitcher chossid copies my music I might actually be OK with it, because popularity in the Chabad community can easilly means bookings.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Cbs on March 10, 2012, 02:41:51 PM
I just have one more thing. that Chabad who is pretty lenient on copying music are also by far the biggest frum supporters of the arts. So if a Lubavitcher chossid copies my music I might actually be OK with it, because popularity in the Chabad community can easilly means bookings.
:-\
Title: Me she me she mishenechnas odor marbim marbim ...who's song is it
Post by: trying123 on February 14, 2013, 12:30:20 AM
U maybe shocked to hear the answer

 http://youtu.be/iNpy6NoFFsk

Credit http://rabbimichaelgreen.com/blog/2009/02/24/the-holy-niggun-of-lead-belly/
Title: Re: Me she me she mishenechnas odor marbim marbim ...who's song is it
Post by: smurf on February 14, 2013, 01:09:20 AM
I've seen this song as well as other converted songs somewhere here on the forums. Anyone remember where? Interesting video thread?? Music video thread??
Title: Re: Me she me she mishenechnas odor marbim marbim ...who's song is it
Post by: jj1000 on February 14, 2013, 01:15:59 AM
I've seen this song as well as other converted songs somewhere here on the forums. Anyone remember where? Interesting video thread?? Music video thread??

+1

Eta- found it http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=6792.0
Title: Re: Me she me she mishenechnas odor marbim marbim ...who's song is it
Post by: Drago on February 14, 2013, 01:23:22 AM
+1

Eta- found it http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=6792.0
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=6792.msg195434#msg195434
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: churnbabychurn on March 03, 2014, 02:12:33 PM
Use google-now to identify "Jewish" songs.  ;)
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: dans fan on May 22, 2014, 03:32:28 AM
just came accross this


disgusting how elbaz used the letters of gods name to mimick 'aha iyah'
imho this has croosed the line choose any other words should of left hashem out of this.
i will tell the band to play khaleds version at my sons wedding
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: good sam on May 22, 2014, 12:02:48 PM
just came accross this


disgusting how elbaz used the letters of gods name to mimick 'aha iyah'
imho this has croosed the line choose any other words should of left hashem out of this.
i will tell the band to play khaleds version at my sons wedding
Discussed
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7821.msg768700#msg768700
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Freddie on September 21, 2014, 09:30:21 PM
I thought it was on this thread where somebody posted a Soviet Russian marching band playing "From 770, we're marching out/onto victory without a doubt..." as well as some other old tyme Russian marches. It's not here though. Where is it? And maybe it should be merged with this thread.

Never mind. I found it. http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7821.2700
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: EJB on September 21, 2014, 11:46:32 PM
Discussed
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7821.msg768700#msg768700

!!!! My spanish neighbors have been blasting this song since the spring and I've been dying to know what it is. Even shazzam couldn't identify it for me :). Weird that this is french though. Maybe there's a popular spanish version.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: kracked dude on September 22, 2014, 12:04:08 AM
!!!! My spanish neighbors have been blasting this song since the spring and I've been dying to know what it is. Even shazzam couldn't identify it for me :). Weird that this is french though. Maybe there's a popular spanish version.
Original is Arabic/French by Khaled

The first video is the Spanish version by Marc Anthony

Discussed
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7821.msg768700#msg768700
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Emkay on September 22, 2014, 06:44:03 AM


I thought it was on this thread where somebody posted a Soviet Russian marching band playing "From 770, we're marching out/onto victory without a doubt..." as well as some other old tyme Russian marches. It's not here though. Where is it? And maybe it should be merged with this thread.

Never mind. I found it. http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=7821.2700
Do you have a direct link to the 770 one?
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 22, 2014, 09:21:27 AM
I thought it was on this thread where somebody posted a Soviet Russian marching band playing "From 770, we're marching out/onto victory without a doubt..." as well as some other old tyme Russian marches. It's not here though. Where is it? And maybe it should be merged with this thread.


Not sure why "From 770" is in the same category as the other ones, has it ever been considered a Chassidishe Niggun? I haven't found it in Nichoach or Sefer Haniggunim and never heard it sung by Farbrengens without the words....

Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: zale on October 08, 2014, 07:05:50 AM


What is this taken from? Definitely heard this before.
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: jj1000 on March 05, 2015, 02:10:05 PM
Anyone have a working youtube link to Mishenichnas Adar? The original.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on March 05, 2015, 02:13:55 PM
Anyone have a working youtube link to Mishenichnas Adar? The original.


Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Tankchucker on March 05, 2015, 07:17:38 PM
The mess grew bigger by uncle moshe

Shmutz alert
song title is:b**** came back
http://youtu.be/smUhOI_lSMU

I think this band may have actually knocked off uncle Moishes tune, because his song the mess grew bigger came out over 20 years ago while this song was posted to YouTube 4 years ago.

ETA. Thanks kracked dude, the original song uncle moshe stole seems to be this which is a kids song http://youtu.be/LjMffHG1V_Q
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: kracked dude on March 05, 2015, 08:02:28 PM
The mess grew bigger by uncle moshe

Shmutz alert
song title is:b**** came back (the actual song only starts one minute into the video)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uR4WFPa6xuI

I think this band may have actually knocked off uncle Moishes tune, because his song the mess grew bigger came out over 20 years ago while this song was posted to YouTube 4 years ago.
The cat came back
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Tankchucker on March 05, 2015, 08:12:44 PM
The cat came back
Thanks, That makes a lot more sense.

But how did this band manage to get over two and a half million hits on a knocked off song
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on June 30, 2015, 04:37:21 AM


Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: zale on June 30, 2015, 07:20:45 AM


lol. People were falling over themselves trying to explain how MBD was "duped" with "Yidden" and he had no idea where it was from...

I wonder how they will explain this one.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: kracked dude on June 30, 2015, 04:45:57 PM

Yonatan Shainfeld Shir Hashalom
Title: Re: MBD - Yidden!
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on June 30, 2015, 05:41:55 PM



Yonatan Shainfeld Shir Hashalom

הגונב מגנב פטור
שיר הכוכבים מרדכי בן דוד

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Ydad on June 30, 2015, 09:16:02 PM
That guy stole it too. My grandma used to sing it in Polish. Said it was an old Polish love song.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on July 08, 2015, 10:29:22 AM
I hate that Shazam now has all the Jewish songs. I try to pull up the original's of stolen songs, and Shazam just pulls up the Jewish version.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: freddy on July 08, 2015, 04:44:43 PM
Does 8th day steal goyish songs? I'm pretty sure I heard a radio ad that used the tune from cheery bim.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on July 09, 2015, 11:00:20 PM
I hate that Shazam now has all the Jewish songs. I try to pull up the original's of stolen songs, and Shazam just pulls up the Jewish version.
Pretty sure they pull their stuff from youtube so it's not going to be all jewish music
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: whYME on August 05, 2015, 01:49:24 AM
Yom tov Ehrlich's kol nidrei night:




Apparently R' Mendel would sometimes sing the original Russian at farbrengens...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on August 05, 2015, 02:06:27 AM
די זון איז פארגאנגען אראפ אין א פלאם
אויף כוואלעס די שטראלן צוגאסן
עס פארט א געפאנצערטע שיף אויפן ים
מיט רוסישע קריגס מאטראזן
דער שיפס קאפיטאן שטייט ביים שפיץ אויפן דעק
און האלט א לאָרנעטע א קליינע
און פלוצלינג ערזעהט ער א הערליכן ברעג
און אויף איהם א שטאט גאר א שיינע
אדעס הייסט די שטאט אירע לאמפן ביים פארט
גלאנצן ווי דיימאַנדס פון ווייטן
און פלוצלינג דערהערט ער א ניגון פון דארט
פון אלטע פארגעסענע צייטן
עס דערמאנט איהם דער ניגון זכרונות אסאך
פון יארן מיט פיל פארגעניגן
ניט בעטהאווען מאָצאַרט ניט וואגנער ניט באך
ס'איז עפעס אן אנדער מין ניגון
עס ציהט איהם דער ניגון אין שטאט אריין דארט
ער קען זיך קיין ארט ניט געפינען
ער בינדט אפ א שיפל און פארט צו צום פארט
און ער לויפט אויפן ברעג ווי אָן זינען
ער לויפט אין די גאסען אריין און ארויס
דער ניגון ווערט שטארקער און קלערער
און וואס מער ער הערט איהם זיין הארץ גייט איהם אויס
די בענקשאפט ווערט שטארקער און שווערער
עס ציהט איהם דער ארויס פון דער שטאט
ביי פינסטערע הויכע פאבריקן
און אין א קליינינקער געסל עס האט
זיך אויפגעהערט הערן דער ניגון
און פלוצלינג דערזעהט ער גיין ביי א וואנט
אן אלטיטשקע פרוי איינגעבויגן
א קליינינקע פעקעלע אונטערן האנט
א טיכל אריבער די אויגן
מוטערל, זאגט ער, א ניגון איך הער
און איך קען מיך קיין ארט ניט געפינען
עס ציהט מיר די הארץ און עס בענקט זיך אהער
איך פיהל אז עס רירט מיך פון זינען
זאגט איהם די אלטע דיין פנים זאגט אויס
אז דו ביזט א איד און דעריבער
איז ביי דיר היינט דאס די בענקעניש גרויס
ווייל היינט איז די נאכט פון יום כיפור
די נאכט פון יום כיפור - גיט ער א געשריי
איך זעה מיינע קינדערשע יארן
און דאס איז דער ניגון דאך פון כל נדרי!
עס לעבט ביי מיר אלץ אין זכרון
מיין טאטע פלעגט זאגן אין שוהל אזוי פיין
איך בין זיין משורר געווען
זי גיט איהם איר מחזור ער קוקט זיך דארט איין
ער האט נאך קיין זאך נישט פארגעסן
א דאנק זאגט די אלטע ווער עס האט דיך געשיקט
פונקט אין דעם צייט העלפט ער תמיד
מען האט ביי אונז אלע בעל תפילות פארשיקט
נישטא ווער זאל צוגיין צום עמוד
ער קומט אין א הייפל פארשטעקט אין פיר ווענט
נאס דורכגעווייקטע פון טרערן
עס שטייען פיל מענטשן ער קוקט און דערקענט
פיל הויכע ארמיי אפיצערן
ביים קליינינקן שולכען עס ברענען פיל ליכט
א טלית ט'מען איהם צוגעטראגן
ער דרוקט צו צום סידור זיין בלאסן געזיכט
און הייבט אן פאמעלאך זאגן
בישיבה של מעלה ובישיבה של מטה
אנו מתירים להתפלל עם העבריינים
און פון זיינע אויגן א טרער נאך א טרער
עס פאלן אריבער זיין פנים
אינדרויסן צושפרייט ליגט א פינסטערע נאכט
א רעגנדל הייבט אן צו פאלן
אומזיסט שטייט די שיף דארט אין ים און זי וואכט
אומזיסט שיקט זי אירע סיגנאלן
דער שיין פון פראָזשעקטערס עס זוכט אויפן ברעג
עס זוכט אויך צווישן די שטערן
דער שיפס קאפיטאן איז פיל העכער אוועק
און וועט זיך קיינמאל נישט אומקערן
ער שטייט ביי דעם עמוד געבויגן די קאפ
און קען נישט איינהאלטן די טרערן
ביין זייט שטייט דער טאטע פון הימל אראפ
געקומען כל נדרי צו הערן
נאר ווער קען דען זינגן אז די הארץ איז פול
און שיעור וואס עס פלאצט נישט דער מח
ער גיט זיך א דריי אויס פון עמוד צום שול
און הייבט אן צו שרייען מיט כח
מענטשן! צו ווייסט איר וואס איז געשען דא
שרעקליכע הייליגע זאכן
צו נעמען א מענטשן אין איין האלבע שעה
און אזוי גליקלאך צו מאכן
אידן! איך האב היינט געפינען מיין גליק
מען האט מיך פון זומפ אויפגעהויבן
א ניגון געזוכט און געפונען צוריק
מיין אלטן פארלוירענעם גלויבן
א ניגון געזוכט און געפונען צוריק
מיין אלטן פארלוירענעם גלויבן
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: whYME on August 05, 2015, 02:13:53 AM
...די זון איז פארגאנגען אראפ אין א פלאם
Edited my post.

My post was meant as two distinct statements.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: whYME on August 05, 2015, 02:18:52 AM
Apparently R' Mendel would sometimes sing the original Russian at farbrengens...
Translation of the original:
הים במרחב משתרע,

גלים סוערים במרחקים.

חבר, יעדנו רחוק,

הרחק מאדמתנו.

'חבר, אינני מסוגל לעמוד עוד במשמרת!'

– אמר מסיק תנור לחברו.

'האש בתנורים הפסיקה לבעור,

לא אוכל עוד לספק קיטור למנוע!'

'לא סיימת את המשמרת ולא תוכל לעזוב אותה,

המכונאי אינו מרוצה ממך,

עליך ללכת לרופא ולדווח לו,

הוא ייתן לך תרופה אם אתה אכן חולה!'

[מסיק התנור] יוצא לסיפון על סף עילפון,

עיניו חשכו,

לרגע קט ראה אור זוהר,

נפל וליבו נדם.

לשווא מחכה הזקנה לשיבת בנה הביתה,

כשיבשרו לה על כך היא תייבב.

מנוע הספינה מכה גלים בים

ועקבותיהם נעלמים במרחק.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 05, 2015, 06:11:38 AM
Yom tov Ehrlich's kol nidrei night:

Most of Yom Tov Ehrlich's songs are of Russian origin, I don't think he composed his own tunes.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on August 05, 2015, 09:36:23 AM
How can I post an audio file?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: grodnoking on August 05, 2015, 09:38:02 AM
How can I post an audio file?
You can make a public Dropbox file and post a link to it
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on August 05, 2015, 09:59:54 AM
https://youtu.be/iauttgWFtrU

Note: Intentionally not embedded.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ykp4ix6d21awpg9/AUD-20150803-WA0076.mp3?dl=0
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on August 05, 2015, 10:56:06 AM
whats name of this jewish song? seems so familiar. maybe something from country yossi?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: thejerseyguy on August 05, 2015, 11:05:05 AM
https://youtu.be/iauttgWFtrU

Note: Intentionally not embedded.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ykp4ix6d21awpg9/AUD-20150803-WA0076.mp3?dl=0
http://www.kikar.co.il/178329.html
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on August 05, 2015, 11:08:44 AM
http://www.kikar.co.il/178329.html
unreal
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: clear thinker on August 23, 2015, 01:50:30 AM
Mbd's song "soul" has "non jewish" origins?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on August 23, 2015, 02:52:31 AM
Most of Yom Tov Ehrlich's songs are of Russian origin, I don't think he composed his own tunes.

You're saying he was like Shlock Rock?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Ydad on August 23, 2015, 11:35:26 AM
Mbd's song "soul" has "non jewish" origins?
Kochavim from that album definitely does.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: clear thinker on August 23, 2015, 01:24:42 PM
Kochavim from that album definitely does.
That we know:

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on August 23, 2015, 08:33:20 PM
You're saying he was like Shlock Rock?
I have an only very shallow knowledge of Shlock Rock. YTE was a folks singer who took popular tunes of his time/location and infused them with beautiful Toichen. Growing up those were the only non-lubavitch songs we listened to, IMHO it only added to our Yiras Shomayim. I still listen to them often.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shlonx on August 24, 2015, 02:45:42 PM
I think I remember listening to a track of MBD at a concert, where he said that one summer in Miami Beach, as he was sitting on his balcony looking at the stars and ocean, this song just came to him...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on August 24, 2015, 03:04:04 PM
I think I remember listening to a track of MBD at a concert, where he said that one summer in Miami Beach, as he was sitting on his balcony looking at the stars and ocean, this song just came to him...
Yep, he says it on Hasc 26
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: clear thinker on August 24, 2015, 03:37:37 PM
Yep, he says it on Hasc 26
+1 you're right! nice seeing a fellow jewish music follower.....
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on August 24, 2015, 03:53:58 PM
+1 you're right! nice seeing a fellow jewish music follower.....
I know that concert by heart, I'm still upset I couldn't make it :(
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: clear thinker on August 24, 2015, 04:05:50 PM
I know that concert by heart, I'm still upset I couldn't make it :(
Same here on both counts.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on August 24, 2015, 06:21:33 PM
Clear thinker and JoeyShmoe: If I remember correctly, MBD said that when he was sitting on his porch the IDEA came to him for the song. That would be refering to the lyrics, which he did make.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on August 24, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
Clear thinker and JoeyShmoe: If I remember correctly, MBD said that when he was sitting on his porch the IDEA came to him for the song. That would be refering to the lyrics, which he did make.

Or the IDEA of taking an oldies song and putting Jewish words to it.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on August 24, 2015, 06:40:21 PM
Clear thinker and JoeyShmoe: If I remember correctly, MBD said that when he was sitting on his porch the IDEA came to him for the song. That would be refering to the lyrics, which he did make.
I just gave a Mareh Mokom to shlonx's memory
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: clear thinker on August 24, 2015, 08:05:44 PM
Clear thinker and JoeyShmoe: If I remember correctly, MBD said that when he was sitting on his porch the IDEA came to him for the song. That would be refering to the lyrics, which he did make.
You remember correctly.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shlonx on August 25, 2015, 09:02:21 PM
Thanks, JoeyShmoe. By the way, MBD's Wikipedia page has a few more song adaptions, for those of you who are interested...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on August 27, 2015, 04:42:35 PM
Quorum, a Male Vocal Band (https://www.facebook.com/quorum.ensemble) (none Jewish) Performs a Shloma Yida Rechnitz (jewish) Original at St. Kotryna's Church in Lithuania... Unfortunately this is a rare event, hence there's no need to open a separate forum called 'Non-Jewish Music with Jewish Origins'...





This is the Original vid with more than 650k hits..





I'm glad though they didn't replace the original lyrics with Lithuanian ones...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: chaimmayer on August 27, 2015, 09:51:18 PM
Very funny how they pronounce with oy but say bayit with a t and not an s
Overall though  they sound natural, I'm impressed!
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: clear thinker on August 30, 2015, 11:02:01 AM
Mbd's song "soul" has "non jewish" origins?
Does anyone have an idea over that song?
What was going? what was the story there?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 11, 2015, 06:08:36 PM
Just heard a part of a tune on the radio that sounded eerily similar to Abraham Fried's "there's a small piece of heaven in everyone's heart". Anyone know what I'm talking about?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on September 11, 2015, 06:30:41 PM
Just heard a part of a tune on the radio that sounded eerily similar to Abie Rottenberg's "there's a small piece of heaven in everyone's heart". Anyone know what I'm talking about?
FTFY
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shlonx on September 26, 2015, 09:14:54 PM
Heard a bit of a song on the radio that sounded exactly like "Someday" by MBD... Anyone know what I'm talking about? It began with the words "There was a house....", I didn't get the rest.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Ydad on September 26, 2015, 09:31:19 PM
Would be shocked if Dina Storch stole it.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on September 27, 2015, 08:42:19 AM
Highly doubtful. She says all the time that Daddy Dear is a secular song. So she would have no problem saying if Someday was. And she says that it's her original.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shlonx on September 27, 2015, 09:45:48 AM
Maybe, like with Mordche's Shir Hashalom, she thought of the lyrics, not the tune. Because it was identical to Someday, down to the krechtz by the "When iiiiiiin walked the soldiers" part...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on September 27, 2015, 10:11:04 AM
That was the case with Daddy Dear. She says that she was given the song 45 minutes before a concert and was asked to quickly make new lyrics, which she did. But regarding Someday, she says that the tune is also her own original. She has absoluly no reason to lie. Maybe the Goy stole it from her. ;-)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shlonx on November 09, 2015, 09:19:54 AM
Quote from Yossi Green's Wikipedia page:

While studying at the Manchester Yeshivah in 1973, Green began to write his own songs. During this time he heard Roberta Flack's "Killing Me Softly with His Song" playing from a passing car, and it inspired him to write his own version of soul music, "Kol Berama", which was featured on a Pirchei London album under the direction of Yigal Calek and became an international hit.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on November 09, 2015, 10:08:42 AM
Quote from Yossi Green's Wikipedia page:

While studying at the Manchester Yeshivah in 1973, Green began to write his own songs. During this time he heard Roberta Flack's "Killing Me Softly with His Song" playing from a passing car, and it inspired him to write his own version of soul music, "Kol Berama", which was featured on a Pirchei London album under the direction of Yigal Calek and became an international hit.

LOL!
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 07, 2015, 08:00:51 AM

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Zalc on December 07, 2015, 01:36:56 PM

What's the original?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on December 07, 2015, 02:31:13 PM
What's the original?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Songs_Know_What_You_Did_in_the_Dark_(Light_Em_Up)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Adam101 on December 20, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
How can I add video from my gallery?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Zalc on December 20, 2015, 11:14:35 PM
How can I add video from my gallery?
Upload to vimeo/YouTube privately and link here?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on December 23, 2015, 10:36:40 AM
Although it is not the same song, "Tzuzamen" on the new Yoily Greenfeld CD is eerily similar to the classic "Those Were the Days" from the '60s.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: HowYaDoin on December 23, 2015, 10:46:54 AM
Has anybody mentioned the John Legend "all of me" ripoff on the new OHAD cd. Although in that case they arent even trying to deny anything being that its still a pretty popular song today
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on December 23, 2015, 10:50:06 AM
Has anybody mentioned the John Legend "all of me" ripoff on the new OHAD cd. Although in that case they arent even trying to deny anything being that its still a pretty popular song today
Are you talking about the one that he actually credits John Legend as the composer of the song?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: HowYaDoin on December 23, 2015, 10:55:10 AM
In that case it's not a ripoff, thanks for letting me know.
...pretty apropo name though, no need to attack
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 25, 2015, 02:42:20 PM
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on December 30, 2015, 09:03:11 PM


At 0:50. Anyone recognize it?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on December 30, 2015, 09:41:01 PM


At 0:50. Anyone recognize it?


Sounds familiar

What is it?

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on December 30, 2015, 10:09:37 PM
Lev Tahor, Watch Over Me.

Do they really think nobody will figure it out?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TimT on December 30, 2015, 10:38:36 PM
Lev Tahor, Watch Over Me.

Do they really think nobody will figure it out?
Its from 28 years ago. And they probably don't care if you do figure it out.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on December 31, 2015, 07:59:07 PM
Has anybody mentioned the John Legend "all of me" ripoff on the new OHAD cd. Although in that case they arent even trying to deny anything being that its still a pretty popular song today
(http://i64.tinypic.com/21dr5s4.jpg)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 12:27:58 AM
https://youtu.be/tpJuBtIlIWc
This is one of the few Jewish originals that was ripped off
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 12:29:38 AM
https://youtu.be/h1cRXgDFiSs
Benny Friedman covered this word for word! Kol isha alert
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 12:34:28 AM
Last one for tonight https://youtu.be/2kJA8v577W8
For all those that grew up with kivi and tuki, kol isha
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 04, 2016, 12:34:41 AM
Lev Tahor, Watch Over Me.

Do they really think nobody will figure it out?
Iinm, every single Lev tahor song has an interlude, intro, or some part of the arrangement copied from secular tunes.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 12:36:32 AM
Stam I was at a wedding tonight and the band was playing tateh by beri Weber. Athough is not in the original the band added in avicii wake me up as the interlude. Sounded good but....
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Freddie on January 04, 2016, 01:10:45 AM
I heard that "everybody let's get ready for shaya and Perry" is based on a non-jewish song.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 04, 2016, 01:13:54 AM
I heard that "everybody let's get ready for shaya and Perry" is based on a non-jewish song.
Nooooooooooooooooooooo!

Why do you have to ruin everything?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Zalc on January 04, 2016, 01:54:28 AM
Last one for tonight https://youtu.be/2kJA8v577W8
For all those that grew up with kivi and tuki, kol isha
Aren't all of Country Yossi's songs adaptations?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 03:08:40 AM
https://youtu.be/aqZMHUEE3uA
Ten points for those that knew about this one, although technically this is Jewish origins.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on January 04, 2016, 08:50:16 AM
https://youtu.be/tpJuBtIlIWc
This is one of the few Jewish originals that was ripped off
When it came out I said that it can just as easily be a secular love song.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: gozalim on January 04, 2016, 09:34:36 AM
https://youtu.be/aqZMHUEE3uA
Ten points for those that knew about this one, although technically this is Jewish origins.

IINM at the time it was introduced to the Jewish world, it was pretty well known, and the move was somewhat 'revolutionary'...
Though to be fair, it likely originated in circles where there was nothing scandalous about it...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 04, 2016, 10:12:14 AM
https://youtu.be/tpJuBtIlIWc
This is one of the few Jewish originals that was ripped off
I wonder what "Two thousand years, is a million years too long, to search for the light that I have never known" means in this context
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on January 04, 2016, 10:14:00 AM
I wonder what "Two thousand years, is a million years too long, to search for the light that I have never known" means in this context
That he would be searching for her even for 2000 years or something like that.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Welder on January 04, 2016, 10:19:02 AM
Aren't all of Country Yossi's songs adaptations?
+1
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Welder on January 04, 2016, 10:20:06 AM
That he would be searching for her even for 2000 years or something like that.
Except that the verse concludes "... Father dear".
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 04, 2016, 10:21:03 AM
That he would be searching for her even for 2000 years or something like that.
I hear, doesn't make much sense though. I skipped right to that part, thinking that they changed it
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TimT on January 04, 2016, 10:25:03 AM
https://youtu.be/tpJuBtIlIWc
This is one of the few Jewish originals that was ripped off
When that tape came out Nachum Siegel had Avraham Fried on his show. I remember so many people were upset about this song specifically that it sounds so goyish (compared to all the great stuff he had been putting out year after year). Today it's considered a hartzige niggun. How the times change.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on January 04, 2016, 10:27:55 AM


This is one of the few Jewish originals that was ripped off

This other one sung by the same kid answers it all


"After we saw the video of AVRAHAM FRIED, his new album"Keep Climbing". We do on practice with my father."
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 10:58:41 AM
When that tape came out Nachum Siegel had Avraham Fried on his show. I remember so many people were upset about this song specifically that it sounds so goyish (compared to all the great stuff he had been putting out year after year). Today it's considered a hartzige niggun. How the times change.
I heard that he composed it after the events of gimmel Tammuz 5754
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 11:07:16 AM
IINM at the time it was introduced to the Jewish world, it was pretty well known, and the move was somewhat 'revolutionary'...
Though to be fair, it likely originated in circles where there was nothing scandalous about it...
Do you have any more information? They sang it by the Rebbe by KSB and the Rebbe encouraged it! Does that give it the same status as mi armia admura? I dint want to start a discussion about songs taken by rabeim as opposed to chasidim but I've been noticing a lot lately...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 11:08:49 AM
This other one sung by the same kid answers it all

"After we saw the video of AVRAHAM FRIED, his new album"Keep Climbing". We do on practice with my father."
Punkt these two songs are AF goyishe sounding ones. Btw it looks like he's wearing tzitzis but I can't seem to make out a yarmulka.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on January 04, 2016, 11:12:41 AM
Punkt these two songs are AF goyishe sounding ones. Btw it looks like he's wearing tzitzis but I can't seem to make out a yarmulka.
Whatever it is, this is clearly some arab who is pro-Israel
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: LionsDen on January 04, 2016, 11:40:25 AM
it's actually an Indian not an Arab.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: LionsDen on January 04, 2016, 12:03:54 PM
Yiden have been "converting" nigunim from goyim for centuries (and they have been taking from us for forever). It's just now in the youtube era we find the sources and many seem unsavoury (like the band playing MBDs "Yidden, Yidden".

"Napolean's march" is lost to history but not in Lubavitch who since the Alter Rebbe sent a chossid to spy out to find out his marching tune, have been singing it regularly especially at the end of Neilah!

There was a Muslim imam in Dagestan named Shamyl who's song was taught by the Lubavitcher Rebbe zy"a and is sung today at farbrengens.

There is a shepard's LOVE SONG that the Kaliver Rebbe changed a few key words (i.e Rose (the name of the shepherd's object of love) to Sh'china, and the big forest to golus etc.) and now we have a Yiddish song longing for geulah. (here: http://www.zemirotdatabase.org/view_song.php?id=81 - note that many of the websites say that the rose in the original song refers to the flower, but that makes no sense because what kind of longing is there with a rose in a forest. The original was obviously a girls name).

The French national anthem was "commandeered" by the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l on Simchas Torah 1975 and has been sung as a Lubavitcher niggun ever since.

This list could go on for many pages but I will suffice it with what's been said.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 12:42:06 PM
Yiden have been "converting" nigunim from goyim for centuries (and they have been taking from us for forever). It's just now in the youtube era we find the sources and many seem unsavoury (like the band playing MBDs "Yidden, Yidden".

"Napolean's march" is lost to history but not in Lubavitch who since the Alter Rebbe sent a chossid to spy out to find out his marching tune, have been singing it regularly especially at the end of Neilah!

There was a Muslim imam in Dagestan named Shamyl who's song was taught by the Lubavitcher Rebbe zy"a and is sung today at farbrengens.

There is a shepard's LOVE SONG that the Kaliver Rebbe changed a few key words (i.e Rose (the name of the shepherd's object of love) to Sh'china, and the big forest to golus etc.) and now we have a Yiddish song longing for geulah. (here: http://www.zemirotdatabase.org/view_song.php?id=81 - note that many of the websites say that the rose in the original song refers to the flower, but that makes no sense because what kind of longing is there with a rose in a forest. The original was obviously a girls name).

The French national anthem was "commandeered" by the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt"l on Simchas Torah 1975 and has been sung as a Lubavitcher niggun ever since.

This list could go on for many pages but I will suffice it with what's been said.
I'm just going to say it. There's a difference when a Rebbe does it and when MBD does it. But I believe this has already been discussed le'eyl.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Zalc on January 04, 2016, 12:45:16 PM


There was a Muslim imam in Dagestan named Shamyl who's song was taught by the Lubavitcher Rebbe zy"a and is sung today at farbrengens.
I never heard that he was a muslim.
A bit of Googling bought me here (http://www.chabadtalk.com/forum/showthread.php3?t=2587) and here (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imam_Shamil), very interesting.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: chaimmayer on January 04, 2016, 04:05:54 PM
I heard that "everybody let's get ready for shaya and Perry" is based on a non-jewish song.
Iirc correctly that intro had three different non jewish songs
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yudi1185 on January 04, 2016, 04:39:08 PM
any body know where the words to frieds new ribion is?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 04, 2016, 08:42:55 PM
any body know where the words to frieds new ribion is?
https://youtu.be/_1g-xIP7tG0

See the description
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MendelG on January 04, 2016, 09:15:16 PM
Is the tune for shwekey ICanBe original?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Welder on January 04, 2016, 09:22:19 PM
any body know where the words to frieds new ribion is?
What's the non Jewish origin?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: asd on January 04, 2016, 10:51:56 PM
There is none
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on January 26, 2016, 01:47:47 PM
Can you figure this one out?


Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 26, 2016, 02:14:36 PM
Can you figure this one out?



im not sure who singer is but isnt this "bluz dem shofar veil mir halten ess nisht ois moshiach ben david kim leiz ins shoin ois..."?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on January 26, 2016, 02:21:47 PM
im not sure who singer is but isnt this "bluz dem shofar veil mir halten ess nisht ois moshiach ben david kim leiz ins shoin ois..."?
Yes! MBD.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 26, 2016, 02:24:39 PM
Yes! MBD.
yup. how does the song start?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on January 26, 2016, 03:06:45 PM
Which album is that on-I know which song but cant find it.

ETA: It is on Moshiach is coming soon
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on January 26, 2016, 03:08:06 PM
yup. how does the song start?
found on Youtube someone singing this song.

https://youtu.be/ncltxPt2-Dg
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 26, 2016, 11:25:17 PM
found on Youtube someone singing this song.

https://youtu.be/ncltxPt2-Dg
beautiful! how do you search for something like this?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: ah giten on February 04, 2016, 07:21:15 AM
I first saw this magnificent video, how Dudi kalish shows off his talent, a must-watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbFsYPOm7Q

And then I see this video, and the tune in the background rings a bell!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzgOi7m9m8c

Well they're the same tune!
 Sorry to say this, but, shame on kalish.... He's done this a couple of times already.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Brian93 on February 04, 2016, 07:58:29 AM


Sorry to say this, but, shame on kalish.... He's done this a couple of times already.

You seem appalled that someone would actually go and borrow a tune like that
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Welder on February 04, 2016, 08:46:28 AM
I first saw this magnificent video, how Dudi kalish shows off his talent, a must-watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbFsYPOm7Q

And then I see this video, and the tune in the background rings a bell!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzgOi7m9m8c

Well they're the same tune!
 Sorry to say this, but, shame on kalish.... He's done this a couple of times already.

I don't think they're the same. They have a similar progression, but it's too generic to actually be a copy.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: damaxer91 on February 04, 2016, 09:18:31 AM
I first saw this magnificent video, how Dudi kalish shows off his talent, a must-watch. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zkbFsYPOm7Q

And then I see this video, and the tune in the background rings a bell!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzgOi7m9m8c

Well they're the same tune!
 Sorry to say this, but, shame on kalish.... He's done this a couple of times already.

C'mon. If you are going to say that those are the same tunes then u can say that every single Carlebach song is the same.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Brian93 on March 01, 2016, 02:39:52 PM
.
https://youtu.be/a8Qq1BxCNb0 (https://youtu.be/a8Qq1BxCNb0)

Kol isha warning
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: guess who on March 01, 2016, 08:09:54 PM
.
https://youtu.be/a8Qq1BxCNb0 (https://youtu.be/a8Qq1BxCNb0)

Kol isha warning
lol
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: gogreen on March 21, 2016, 06:52:03 PM
On Rechnitz's new song Kad Ayil sung by Boruch Levine & Simcha Leiner, the intro & interlude is from the James Bond theme music.



Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: stv17 on April 19, 2016, 01:36:37 AM
I just found this video on youtube....looks like they stoled MBD's song Hinei Lo Yanum from his album Hineni



(I always wondered why he never sang this song at concerts, I like the song). 
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on April 19, 2016, 11:07:07 AM
I just found this video on youtube....looks like they stoled MBD's song Hinei Lo Yanum from his album Hineni



(I always wondered why he never sang this song at concerts, I like the song).
Lol, you mean the other way around. This could've been the first entry to this thread, as it's also possibly MBD's first adaptation of a non-Jewish song.

Quote from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Ben_David#Song_adaptations
A few of MBD's songs are adaptations of well-known, non-Jewish songs.
  • "Hinei Lo Yanum" on Hineni (1975) is an adaptation of "Mamy Blue", originally composed by veteran French songwriter Hubert Giraud in 1970. In May 1971, Alain Milhaud, a French record producer based in Spain, acquired the song for Pop-Tops.
  • "Lichtiger Shabbos" on Just One Shabbos (1982) [retitled "Yiddish" on Solid MBD (1993)] is an adaptation of "Close Every Door To Me", from the musical theater production Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat, by Tim Rice and Andrew Lloyd Webber.
  • "Kumt Aheim" on Jerusalem: Not For Sale (1986), commonly referred to as "Yidden" and retitled as such for the CD release, uses the music of "Dschinghis Khan" (English: Genghis Khan), from the German band Dschinghis Khan.
  • "Father Dear" on Yerushalayim Our Home (1988) [retitled "Daddy Dear" on The English Collection (1998)] uses music from "Little Child", performed by many earlier singers, notably Cab Calloway and his daughter in 1956; it, in turn, is adapted from an earlier French song.[16]
  • "Shir Hashalom" is an adaptation from Bobby Vinton's "My Melody of Love".
In addition, "Vechol Maminim", from MBD's album of the same name, was an adaptation of "Tov Lehodos", an earlier song by Shlomo Carlebach.
Title: Jewish Music from Secular Music
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on January 31, 2017, 08:27:40 PM
I really would like to work on a list like this guy did, maybe in the wiki.

http://2nd-son.blogspot.com/2010/07/jewish-music.html?m=1

All I can think of is Ohad's Eishes Chayil from You Raise Me Up, but I'm sure guys here know more.
Title: Re: Jewish Music from Secular Music
Post by: noturbizniss on January 31, 2017, 08:31:51 PM
There's a thread for this. Siyf
Title: Re: Jewish Music from Secular Music
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on January 31, 2017, 08:38:40 PM
There's a thread for this. Siyf

Sorry, having trouble finding it.

Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Dan on January 31, 2017, 08:39:03 PM
Sorry, having trouble finding it.

Do you have a link?
Merged.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 31, 2017, 09:56:11 PM
Most links in this thread are dead.

There's another MBD song (from Moshiach is Coming Soon) which I heard once in a non Jewish store to different words.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 31, 2017, 11:18:30 PM
And a song on D'veykus II - Od Yishoma.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Cheesecake on January 31, 2017, 11:21:20 PM
Most links in this thread are dead.

There's another MBD song (from Moshiach is Coming Soon) which I heard once in a non Jewish store to different words.
Oops, repost.


Can you figure this one out?

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on January 31, 2017, 11:51:49 PM
MBD Crack of dawn


(from one of the commentators  on that blogpost
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 01, 2017, 12:40:18 AM
This one's well known, but I don't think it's been mentioned here before - Ohad Moskowitz's Bo'i Kalla. Even Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallelujah_(Leonard_Cohen_song)) mentions it:

Quote
A 2009 hit by Orthodox Jewish singer Ohad Moskowitz, "Bo'i Kala", featuring the words of the traditional tune accompanying a Jewish bride to the chuppah, is a musical adaptation of "Hallelujah".



The real version:



And of course the Shrek version:

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 01, 2017, 12:42:42 AM
Also Hashem Melech/C'est la Vie:

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 01, 2017, 12:52:26 AM
The real version:

I'm pretty sure this is the "real" version :P

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Something Fishy on February 01, 2017, 12:58:50 AM
I'm pretty sure this is the "real" version :P


There's a reason why this song remained unpopular for many years, and I suspect it's because Leonard Cohen's original doesn't sound very pretty. I was gonna post that video originally, but I decided instead to go with the later cover which sounds identical to Bo'i Kalla, and which is really the point of this entire exercise.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 01, 2017, 01:05:16 AM
There's a reason why this song remained unpopular for many years, and I suspect it's because Leonard Cohen's original doesn't sound very pretty. I was gonna post that video originally, but I decided instead to go with the later cover which sounds identical to Bo'i Kalla, and which is really the point of this entire exercise.
I had a feeling that was why you went with that one
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on February 01, 2017, 10:02:11 AM
There's a reason why this song remained unpopular for many years, and I suspect it's because Leonard Cohen's original doesn't sound very pretty. I was gonna post that video originally, but I decided instead to go with the later cover which sounds identical to Bo'i Kalla, and which is really the point of this entire exercise.
It's arguably the most beautiful tune ever written. Give the composer the credit.  :)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on February 01, 2017, 10:40:49 AM
I know Leonard Cohen was no holy man, but he was definatly a Jew, so this song technocally doesn't belong in this thread. Just a technocality.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Cheesecake on February 01, 2017, 11:08:41 AM
I know Leonard Cohen was no holy man, but he was definatly a Jew, so this song technocally doesn't belong in this thread. Just a technocality.
Only if you define "Jewish Music" as music composed by a Jew.

Most people I know do not define it that way. No, I don't have a precise definition, but I think most people I know use the term to refer to music marketed to the frum community.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on February 01, 2017, 11:25:17 AM
And a song on D'veykus II - Od Yishoma.
What's the original?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Cheesecake on February 01, 2017, 11:57:01 AM
What's the original?
Irish Rovers - Drunken Sailer.

Credited on D'veykus to "The Dubliner Rebbe". 🙂
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: cmey on February 01, 2017, 09:53:25 PM
Anyone know the original non Jewish version of the lubavitch Durin Marku niggun or is that the original name?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on February 01, 2017, 10:12:05 PM
Also Hashem Melech/C'est la Vie:


I had no idea until I was at Citi Field summer of 2015 and heard Juan Uribe's walkup song of "Hashem Melech"...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: whYME on February 01, 2017, 10:13:50 PM
Anyone know the original non Jewish version of the lubavitch Durin Marku niggun or is that the original name?
Are you sure that one has non-jewish origins?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: chbochur on February 01, 2017, 10:18:24 PM
Anyone know the original non Jewish version of the lubavitch Durin Marku niggun or is that the original name?
It's called tzomoh ech to
You can watch and learn about it the niggun here

http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/livingtorah/player_cdo/aid/2725133/jewish/Playing-the-Fool.htm
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: cmey on February 01, 2017, 11:27:20 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Boruch999 on February 02, 2017, 12:55:18 AM
Tzvi the grocers song on Baruch learns his brachos
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: User6669 on February 06, 2017, 03:46:48 AM




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Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on February 06, 2017, 08:16:04 PM
2nd video is broken
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: User6669 on February 08, 2017, 01:59:18 AM

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Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on February 16, 2017, 04:52:06 PM
The first song off the upcoming Lev Tahor album (there's a leaked version going around) seams suspiciously similiar to the theme song of National Lampoon Vacation. I'll post links when officially released.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: johnshek on February 23, 2017, 02:12:41 AM
Does anyone recognize the first interlude on beri webers one heart? Not second one which is obviously "see you again".
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: thaber on February 23, 2017, 02:42:14 AM
Irish Rovers - Drunken Sailer.

Credited on D'veykus to "The Dubliner Rebbe". 🙂

enjoyed this one :)
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0420/2505/files/7674.mp3?11416636965542763534 (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0420/2505/files/7674.mp3?11416636965542763534)



Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: bb1836 on April 04, 2017, 01:23:01 PM
Lev Tahor 5 - Hallelu
Enjoy!

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Essen est zich on April 04, 2017, 02:38:39 PM
Does anyone know if Abie Rottenberg's 9th man is his original? I heard a very similar tune on the radio a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2017, 02:45:09 PM
Anyone know the original non Jewish version of the lubavitch Durin Marku niggun or is that the original name?
In YOEC the rule was that the composer and singer had to be Jewish and have a beard. Caused issues when Matisyahu came along  ;D
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on April 04, 2017, 03:03:40 PM
Tzvi the grocers song on Baruch learns his brachos
That's a strange one.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on April 04, 2017, 08:02:01 PM
On Abie's albums, it says Composed by Abie. I also never heard of him using Goyish songs. I may be wrong, but I'd be very suprised if it weren't his own.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2017, 09:02:03 PM
On Abie's albums, it says Composed by Abie. I also never heard of him using Goyish songs. I may be wrong, but I'd be very suprised if it weren't his own.
I know that the words for the Yerushalaim song on J3 were originally written to a non Jewish tune and then adapted because he didn't want that. That is why some parts don't fit perfectly
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on April 04, 2017, 10:58:04 PM
Abie didnt write the lyrics of Yerushalayim. Maybe that's why they were originally done to a goyish song. But 9th Man's lyrics were written by Abie, so it's safer to say that it's pure original tune.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on April 04, 2017, 11:51:22 PM
Abie didnt write the lyrics of Yerushalayim. Maybe that's why they were originally done to a goyish song. But 9th Man's lyrics were written by Abie, so it's safer to say that it's pure original tune.
Exactly my point
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: AsherO on April 05, 2017, 01:12:51 AM
There was a Muslim imam in Dagestan named Shamyl who's song was taught by the Lubavitcher Rebbe zy"a and is sung today at farbrengens.

I'm not sure Shamil was his song. It's very possible that the niggun/tune tells Shamil's story but was composed by a Chassid.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on May 01, 2017, 03:59:47 PM
In YOEC the rule was that the composer and singer had to be Jewish and have a beard. Caused issues when Matisyahu came along  ;D
Not anymore :-)
Since it's sfira, how about all of AKA Pella's intros? I mean, they even went for the goyish intro when the Jewish one was better! (Eg, their version of Yesh Tikva - which btw someone told me that even Benny's original intro is taken from a goyishe song! can anyone confirm this? )
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: johnshek on May 01, 2017, 06:38:36 PM
Does anyone recognize the first interlude on beri webers one heart? Not second one which is obviously "see you again".
It's stay with me by Sam smith
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on May 02, 2017, 06:40:05 AM
In YOEC the rule was that the composer and singer had to be Jewish and have a beard. Caused issues when Matisyahu came along  ;D
So that means Shwekey is out, but the following are in? It seems kind of arbitrary (just check out the videos yourself)








Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on May 02, 2017, 06:45:41 AM
So that means Shwekey is out, but the following are in? It seems kind of arbitrary (just check out the videos yourself)








Unless you change the rule to has a beard and isn't a chabad BT ;-)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on May 12, 2017, 01:43:33 AM
So that means Shwekey is out, but the following are in? It seems kind of arbitrary (just check out the videos yourself)








Appreciating the French...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on June 21, 2017, 03:23:00 PM
ANyone with any new examples?
YehudaB thinks that MBD's Ashrei Ha'aish's hook sounds like Blurred Lines
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on June 21, 2017, 03:42:02 PM
ANyone with any new examples?
YehudaB thinks that MBD's Ashrei Ha'aish's hook sounds like Blurred Lines

Funny, I thought the same thing


*One hook in Ashrei Ha’ish bears a striking resemblance to “Blurred Lines,” which I did not appreciate (not least because it made me and my crack team of goyish music researchers go find which song was tugging at my memory).

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on June 23, 2017, 10:34:28 AM
YehudaB thinks that MBD's Ashrei Ha'aish's hook sounds like Blurred Lines
not maskim
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on June 27, 2017, 08:45:05 AM
check this out: (h/t to lifeinisreal - http://lifeinisrael.blogspot.co.il/2017/06/rasputin-vs-kol-dovid-rachmana-video.html)
https://youtu.be/jGqaxWGOK0k
tznius alert!!!!
https://youtu.be/OBXRJgSd-aU
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yuds70 on July 11, 2017, 11:31:12 PM
Someone told me Yavo by MBC has non Jewish origins. Is this true?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Essen est zich on August 05, 2017, 09:50:08 PM
I heard a rumor that the classic Etz Chaim hi... tune has a conservative origin. Can anyone enlighten me if that's true?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on August 05, 2017, 09:55:36 PM
I heard a rumor that the classic Etz Chaim hi... tune has a conservative origin. Can anyone enlighten me if that's true?
Much of the modern orthodox davening is based on Louis Lewandowski
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Lewandowski
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Let3 on August 08, 2017, 11:11:52 AM
Lev Tahor 5 - Hallelu
Enjoy!



there are many tracks on that album that sounds like came from non-Jewish origin...

Simchas beis hashovah reminds me of some disney wizard theme song - cant find it though...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: stv17 on August 08, 2017, 07:45:59 PM
I heard a rumor that the classic Etz Chaim hi... tune has a conservative origin. Can anyone enlighten me if that's true?

Did you know that the famous "Shalom Aleichem" song from Friday night that the whole world sings was composed by a reform rabbi?


Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: HKFS on August 08, 2017, 07:58:22 PM
Did you know that the famous "Shalom Aleichem" song from Friday night that the whole world sings was composed by a reform rabbi?

Conservative Rabbi to be precise.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 10, 2017, 08:58:28 AM
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: churnbabychurn on August 10, 2017, 09:01:34 AM
Did you know that the famous "Shalom Aleichem" song from Friday night that the whole world sings was composed by a reform rabbi?
Link?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: HKFS on August 10, 2017, 12:02:17 PM
Link?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalom_Aleichem_(liturgy)#Melodies
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on August 14, 2017, 09:27:08 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalom_Aleichem_(liturgy)#Melodies
1963? I thought that tune was ancient!

What tune did they use in Europe? What tune do chassidim use?


ETA: a very reliable source says the tune is much older.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/who-composed-the-world-famous-sholom-aleichem#post-1119728
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on August 14, 2017, 10:43:06 AM
1963? I thought that tune was ancient!

What tune did they use in Europe? What tune do chassidim use?


ETA: a very reliable source says the tune is much older.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/who-composed-the-world-famous-sholom-aleichem#post-1119728
I can tell you that my family does not use that tune but we use one which my grandfather sang, presumably from Europe. Neither I nor any anyone in my family including those who were guests at numerous people hwile learning in EY have not heard anyone else singing it until my father recently got re-married and we found that hiws new wife's family also sings that tune.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: HKFS on August 14, 2017, 11:14:45 AM
I can tell you that my family does not use that tune but we use one which my grandfather sang, presumably from Europe. Neither I nor any anyone in my family including those who were guests at numerous people hwile learning in EY have not heard anyone else singing it until my father recently got re-married and we found that hiws new wife's family also sings that tune.
mp3?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: zh cohen on August 15, 2017, 03:54:40 PM
I can tell you that my family does not use that tune but we use one which my grandfather sang, presumably from Europe. Neither I nor any anyone in my family including those who were guests at numerous people hwile learning in EY have not heard anyone else singing it until my father recently got re-married and we found that hiws new wife's family also sings that tune.

Is it any of these?
http://offtonic.com/nusach/index.html?service=ShabbatShabbatDinner
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on August 15, 2017, 04:13:36 PM
Is it any of these?
http://offtonic.com/nusach/index.html?service=ShabbatShabbatDinner
Oh wow I will need to go through these. We also sing a Ma Yedidus I never heard elsewhere that I may find there. Someone had actually told me that it came from Joe Amar but I was never able to find one of his.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on August 15, 2017, 06:19:48 PM
Oh wow I will need to go through these. We also sing a Ma Yedidus I never heard elsewhere that I may find there. Someone had actually told me that it came from Joe Amar but I was never able to find one of his.
I have some of those from Poland. One for Menucha Vsimcha, one for Boruch Hashem Yom Yom (yes there's actually a tune for that!) Still looking for others who know them.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: aygart on August 15, 2017, 06:27:03 PM
Is it any of these?
http://offtonic.com/nusach/index.html?service=ShabbatShabbatDinner
Nope for either Shalom Aleichem or Ma Yedidus
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on August 15, 2017, 08:44:48 PM
I have some of those from Poland. One for Menucha Vsimcha, one for Boruch Hashem Yom Yom (yes there's actually a tune for that!) Still looking for others who know them.
I sing (chant) boruch hashem yom yom
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yelped on August 15, 2017, 10:32:54 PM
I sing (chant) boruch hashem yom yom
What tune? I do that, too. I know the source (up to a point) of the one we sing.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on August 15, 2017, 10:34:48 PM
What tune? I do that, too. I know the source (up to a point) of the one we sing.
Oy oy oy oyyyyyoy ohohohoh ooooyoyo oy oyyyy
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on August 15, 2017, 11:51:15 PM
Oy oy oy oyyyyyoy ohohohoh ooooyoyo oy oyyyy
Lol.

Mine is a somewhat chazzanish tune. Ends at אמונים נוצר
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on August 15, 2017, 11:54:00 PM
Lol.

Mine is a somewhat chazzanish tune. Ends at אמונים נוצר
Same. Although my grandfather has an add on for yetzva tzur chasdo
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yelped on August 16, 2017, 12:08:13 AM
I'll look for a recording and send it later iyh.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: HKFS on August 16, 2017, 08:54:18 AM
This thread would benefit from a WhatsApp like voice recording feature.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Dan on August 16, 2017, 12:06:16 PM
This thread would benefit from a WhatsApp like voice recording feature.
You can always download a whatsapp voice note and upload it here.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on August 16, 2017, 03:38:16 PM
No matches for me here.





Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yelped on August 16, 2017, 11:05:21 PM
Not for me either. The niggun we use used to be popular in Hungary. I doubt anyone knows it today besides R'Shayele,'S einiklech. He knew it from his Rebbe, R'Herschele Liska.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Luvtotravel on August 17, 2017, 10:39:39 AM
we use the third one (Yossi green) I'm not sure where its originally from though
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yitrap on August 17, 2017, 01:03:21 PM
Not for me either. The niggun we use used to be popular in Hungary. I doubt anyone knows it today besides R'Shayele,'S einiklech. He knew it from his Rebbe, R'Herschele Liska.
Non for me either
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on December 14, 2017, 05:49:18 PM
Anyone know the origin of the intro to Mordechai Shapiro's "Kulam?"
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Talmid Muvhak on December 14, 2017, 07:32:04 PM
I was disappointed to find out that Shalsheles is from the copycatters with their yofyafisa straight from Kelly Clarkson's song called Breakaway.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Der Deutsche Jude on December 15, 2017, 02:49:25 AM
I was disappointed to find out that Shalsheles is from the copycatters with their yofyafisa straight from Kelly Clarkson's song called Breakaway.
I don't think it is.  I think just the AKA Pella version is taken from her.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: chaimdasap on December 15, 2017, 06:12:49 AM
I was disappointed to find out that Shalsheles is from the copycatters with their yofyafisa straight from Kelly Clarkson's song called Breakaway.

nothing to do with anything, but Breakaways a great song;))
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: ludmila on December 16, 2017, 06:56:10 PM
nothing to do with anything, but Breakaways a great song;))
+1, love that song.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Joe4007 on December 17, 2017, 12:46:31 PM
Anyone know the origin of the intro to Mordechai Shapiro's "Kulam?"
Alessia Cara - Scars To Your Beautiful.

At least that's what it sounds like to me...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on December 28, 2017, 01:09:06 PM
Anyone know the origin of the intro to Mordechai Shapiro's "Kulam?"

Avicii - The Nights

(Instrumental)


Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shwarmabob on December 29, 2017, 07:31:39 AM
Not for me either. The niggun we use used to be popular in Hungary. I doubt anyone knows it today besides R'Shayele,'S einiklech. He knew it from his Rebbe, R'Herschele Liska.
Do you have a recording?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Amusch on January 17, 2018, 10:55:59 AM
I see someone upthread quoted this song "Killing Me Softly" in a different context, but I stumbled upon it on the radio this am and could not believe how obvious the first 10 seconds are in Shmor Na Aleinu
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on January 23, 2018, 10:11:40 AM
Was this posted?

https://youtu.be/wN4Rbc6HSPY

Clean version

https://youtu.be/QseLtpA4Ml0
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: jj1000 on February 28, 2018, 04:02:45 PM


Always a good bump this time of year.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Hjay on June 01, 2018, 03:51:09 AM
Ohad Moskowitz - Birkat Chupa = John Legend - All of Me
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: JoeyShmoe on June 01, 2018, 10:18:38 AM
Ohad Moskowitz - Birkat Chupa = John Legend - All of Me
It's right there in the credits to the song...

ETA: See image attached
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Eliyohu on October 05, 2018, 09:11:09 AM
https://youtu.be/UZ3F58ZW1wc

Too funny!
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TimT on October 05, 2018, 09:24:20 AM
https://youtu.be/UZ3F58ZW1wc

Too funny!
Who stole it ?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 09:26:56 AM
Who stole it ?
Uch it’s on the tip of my tongue!
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Eliyohu on October 05, 2018, 09:29:33 AM
Who stole it ?
Uch it’s on the tip of my tongue!
Adama V'shmayim.. translate to Hebrew..
אני מרגיש זאת בגופי ברוחי ונשמתי...
https://youtu.be/DT2zd1Z5-5w

He's not the first...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Definitions on November 24, 2018, 09:25:13 PM
Is the famous Chanukah song also from a non Jewish source? I just found this video watch at 4:54

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: moish on November 25, 2018, 06:45:59 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oh_Chanukah
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: moko on November 26, 2018, 07:41:24 PM
Adama V'shmayim.. translate to Hebrew..
אני מרגיש זאת בגופי ברוחי ונשמתי...
https://youtu.be/DT2zd1Z5-5w

He's not the first...
+1 it's been very popular in progressive Hebrew schools for quite a few years.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Knaper_Chuchem on December 06, 2018, 09:31:34 AM
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on January 24, 2019, 03:54:57 PM
Rare instance of a Jewish song getting ripped off, guess which?



Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: S209 on January 24, 2019, 05:56:16 PM
The oddest threads have 378 replies
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: MrsKravitz on January 29, 2019, 08:52:23 PM
I didn't read the whole thread but here is one that is a little different. It's definitely Jewish, and definitely non-Jewish origin ... from a couple of centuries ago.

A famous niggun of the Kalover Rebbe is based on an old Hungarian folk song - Szol a kakas mar (loosely translated as "the bird already sings"). When we were kids, the word "kakas" used to set us off in giggling fits for some reason.

The Kalover Rebbes's version is actually partly still with the original Hungarian lyrics. It is a beautiful niggun about longing for the Moshiach.

Kalover Rebbe here: https://youtu.be/Us-oB6vUWWg

And Cantor Moshe Stern here:  https://youtu.be/LHipp-A5SdQ

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on February 03, 2019, 06:56:08 AM
what are the originals of the yoni Z album? most of them dont sound jewish at all...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 03, 2019, 08:14:51 AM
what are the originals of the yoni Z album? most of them dont sound jewish at all...
Lol. Does it sound as Jewish as, say, Lichtiger Shabbos?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 03, 2019, 10:55:13 AM
Rare instance of a Jewish song getting ripped off, guess which?



Since no one answered-

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on February 03, 2019, 01:09:44 PM
Lol. Does it sound as Jewish as, say, Lichtiger Shabbos?
not sure what song that is, but one thing is for sure Ma Naaseh, See You Again, Taam Vareach among others dont sound jewish at all...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yehuda57 on February 03, 2019, 07:36:14 PM


not sure what song that is

Search for it on this thread.

but one thing is for sure Ma Naaseh, See You Again, Taam Vareach among others dont sound jewish at all...
To you.

You not liking the style of music doesn't mean he copied anyone's songs. (He may have, I don't know, but the onus is on you to bring proof instead of making accusations out of thin air)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Definitions on February 03, 2019, 09:00:19 PM
Since no one answered-


Doesn't sound the same to me
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Lou Bob on February 10, 2019, 10:43:07 AM
Since no one answered-


totally hear it.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on February 10, 2019, 10:45:51 AM
To you.

You not liking the style of music doesn't mean he copied anyone's songs. (He may have, I don't know, but the onus is on you to bring proof instead of making accusations out of thin air)
to you it does sound jewish?!

examples...
track 6 - Taam Vareach
track 7 - See You Again
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on February 10, 2019, 10:51:49 AM
Doesn't sound the same to me

Sounds nearly identical to me
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: good sam on February 10, 2019, 11:00:16 AM
This came to me in the middle the night last night.

"Esav was coming" is "By Mir Bistu Sheyn."

Change my mind.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on February 17, 2019, 12:20:04 AM
This came to me in the middle the night last night.

"Esav was coming" is "By Mir Bistu Sheyn."

Change my mind.
100%
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yard sale on March 25, 2019, 02:05:05 AM
Matt Dubb  Adama Vishamayim

It seems to be a pagan/ Wicca goddess (witchcraft/ duotheism) chant:

http://www.ourchants.org/sites/default/files/11%20Strong%20Wind%2C%20Deep%20Water%20snippet-_%20via%20Carioca_0.mp3

http://chants173.rssing.com/chan-57428027/all_p1.html

Although this is from 2009:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DPe-ZHD0o8I

Which came first?



Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Boruch999 on March 25, 2019, 03:31:54 AM
Matt Dubb  Adama Vishamayim

It seems to be a pagan/ Wicca goddess (witchcraft/ duotheism) chant:

http://www.ourchants.org/sites/default/files/11%20Strong%20Wind%2C%20Deep%20Water%20snippet-_%20via%20Carioca_0.mp3

http://chants173.rssing.com/chan-57428027/all_p1.html

Although this is from 2009:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DPe-ZHD0o8I

Which came first?

Repost

https://youtu.be/UZ3F58ZW1wc

Too funny!
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on March 25, 2019, 10:41:20 AM
https://matzav.com/the-matzav-shmoooze-is-adamah-vshamayim-an-avodah-zarah-song/
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Yard sale on March 25, 2019, 10:53:15 AM
https://matzav.com/the-matzav-shmoooze-is-adamah-vshamayim-an-avodah-zarah-song/

That is where I originally saw it. Matzav pulled it for some reason shortly after they posted it, so I posted it here to see if anyone had more info. I see that matzav now put it back up.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: ayg516 on March 27, 2019, 05:00:58 PM
harei at from shwekey has lots of notes from a pocahantas song
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on March 27, 2019, 10:17:00 PM
harei at from shwekey has lots of notes from a pocahantas song

It's an Abie Rotenberg composition (IIRC). Don't remember any instances of him stealing goyish music. Perhaps it's incidental, or maybe I'm wrong...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: skyguy918 on March 28, 2019, 11:24:47 AM
harei at from shwekey has lots of notes from a pocahantas song
It's an Abie Rotenberg composition (IIRC). Don't remember any instances of him stealing goyish music. Perhaps it's incidental, or maybe I'm wrong...
Forget incidental, I don't even hear the similarity.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Essen est zich on March 28, 2019, 12:32:19 PM
This is a WhatsApp forward.

I do not know who this "Yehuda" is or any other information.


Thoughts?

I'm sure you've heard of the song Adamah V'shamayim, an often-requested song. Some people know and understand the lyrics, most don't. But 99.9% of our community doesn't know the song's origin. So here goes, working backward:

Before Motti Weiss (aka Matt Dubb) recorded the song, it was recorded and popularized by a Buddhist-style Israeli group by the name of Segol (see here). Little detail is given by Segol that the song is originally in English.

The original song is "Strong Wind, Deep Water" (the original lyrics and the source can be found here and below). It's a song by an earth-worshiping pagan cult, translated into Hebrew, almost word for word, for the Segol group. A Google search will show many results confirming that the song is of pagan (i.e. Avodah Zarah) origins.

I appreciate that this is not intuitive information, the lyrics are subtle. But the fact is that a song by earth-worshippers describing earth worship has crept into our community, and we're now dancing at our simchas (!) to an Avodah Zarah song (literally). If rabbonim knew the above about this song, many might say that one is not allowed to say the bracha "Shehasimcha Bim'ono" at a chasunah where the song is played.

Ever since I researched this song, I've been asked by multiple ba'alei simcha to play it. After giving a short and concise background of the song, the response is absolutely unanimous - both from Chossn & Kalah couples and from bar mitzvah parents: "OMG I didn't know, yeah let's not play that song". Since spreading this info on a social media group for Jewish musicians, there have been a few responses: Some respond with unfortunate leitzanus, and others respond with indifference. Yet many musicians have thanked me for the info and said they would not be playing the song. One artist reached out to me privately to let me know that he's not including the song on his upcoming cover album, as he originally intended. Another artist to whom I reached out regarding this song also decided to not include it in his recently-released cover album.

I would strongly urge you to consider whether or not you should play the song in the future. We wouldn't sing about Gilui Arayos of Shfichus Damim at our heiligeh simchas...singing a song of Avodah Zarah should be no exception. B"H we have many great and leibedik songs to choose from without an Avodah Zarah chant.

Yehuda

P.S. The reason I researched the song, to begin with, is two-fold: 1) The tune (with the repetitive A and B section) has the sound and structure of a classic far-eastern or pre-American chant, and 2) the lyrics convey a spiritual feeling of experiencing nature as an end to itself, rather than experiencing G-d through nature. It sounded extremely foreign and strange to me, not something written by a Jew, let alone a frum Jew.

Strong wind, Deep water; Tall trees, Warm fire
I can feel it in my body; I can feel it in my soul
Heya heya heya heya heya heya ho
Heya heya, heya heya, heya heya heya ho

Strong wind, Deep water; Pure Earth, Warm fire
Soft breeze, Vast Ocean; Bright Sun, Grand Mountain
Sweet kiss, Long River; Earth Live forever
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Essen est zich on March 28, 2019, 12:35:57 PM
This is a WhatsApp forward.

I'm sure you've heard of the song Adamah V'shamayim, an often-requested song. Some people know and understand the lyrics, most don't. But 99.9% of our community doesn't know the song's origin. So here goes, working backward:


The original song is "Strong Wind, Deep Water" (the original lyrics and the source can be found here and below). It's a song by an earth-worshiping pagan cult, translated into Hebrew, almost word for word, for the Segol group. A Google search will show many results confirming that the song is of pagan (i.e. Avodah Zarah) origins.

Original

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UZ3F58ZW1wc
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Boruch999 on March 28, 2019, 12:44:48 PM


ReRepost
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: zh cohen on March 28, 2019, 12:48:53 PM
This is a WhatsApp forward.

I do not know who this "Yehuda" is or any other information.


Thoughts?

I'm sure you've heard of the song Adamah V'shamayim, an often-requested song. Some people know and understand the lyrics, most don't. But 99.9% of our community doesn't know the song's origin. So here goes, working backward:

Before Motti Weiss (aka Matt Dubb) recorded the song, it was recorded and popularized by a Buddhist-style Israeli group by the name of Segol (see here). Little detail is given by Segol that the song is originally in English.

The original song is "Strong Wind, Deep Water" (the original lyrics and the source can be found here and below). It's a song by an earth-worshiping pagan cult, translated into Hebrew, almost word for word, for the Segol group. A Google search will show many results confirming that the song is of pagan (i.e. Avodah Zarah) origins.

I appreciate that this is not intuitive information, the lyrics are subtle. But the fact is that a song by earth-worshippers describing earth worship has crept into our community, and we're now dancing at our simchas (!) to an Avodah Zarah song (literally). If rabbonim knew the above about this song, many might say that one is not allowed to say the bracha "Shehasimcha Bim'ono" at a chasunah where the song is played.

Ever since I researched this song, I've been asked by multiple ba'alei simcha to play it. After giving a short and concise background of the song, the response is absolutely unanimous - both from Chossn & Kalah couples and from bar mitzvah parents: "OMG I didn't know, yeah let's not play that song". Since spreading this info on a social media group for Jewish musicians, there have been a few responses: Some respond with unfortunate leitzanus, and others respond with indifference. Yet many musicians have thanked me for the info and said they would not be playing the song. One artist reached out to me privately to let me know that he's not including the song on his upcoming cover album, as he originally intended. Another artist to whom I reached out regarding this song also decided to not include it in his recently-released cover album.

I would strongly urge you to consider whether or not you should play the song in the future. We wouldn't sing about Gilui Arayos of Shfichus Damim at our heiligeh simchas...singing a song of Avodah Zarah should be no exception. B"H we have many great and leibedik songs to choose from without an Avodah Zarah chant.

Yehuda

P.S. The reason I researched the song, to begin with, is two-fold: 1) The tune (with the repetitive A and B section) has the sound and structure of a classic far-eastern or pre-American chant, and 2) the lyrics convey a spiritual feeling of experiencing nature as an end to itself, rather than experiencing G-d through nature. It sounded extremely foreign and strange to me, not something written by a Jew, let alone a frum Jew.

Strong wind, Deep water; Tall trees, Warm fire
I can feel it in my body; I can feel it in my soul
Heya heya heya heya heya heya ho
Heya heya, heya heya, heya heya heya ho

Strong wind, Deep water; Pure Earth, Warm fire
Soft breeze, Vast Ocean; Bright Sun, Grand Mountain
Sweet kiss, Long River; Earth Live forever

Printed here (with Matt Dubb in the comments)

https://matzav.com/the-matzav-shmoooze-is-adamah-vshamayim-an-avodah-zarah-song/
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 28, 2019, 03:26:36 PM
Forget incidental, I don't even hear the similarity.

+1
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Definitions on April 07, 2019, 10:10:04 AM
The beginning of Baruch Levines song "taamu" sounds very familiar to me. I can't remember from where



(Also what's up with these Christian YouTube channels posting Jewish music? Some sort of Messianic group?)
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: pointer on April 07, 2019, 11:19:34 AM
Bond, James Bond



P.S. Now this is what I call a "yeled Hapeleh" not some kid with cute peyos who's mother lets him stay up past his bed time,
This kid is clearly a pro
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: mmgfarb on April 07, 2019, 12:58:47 PM
Bond, James Bond



P.S. Now this is what I call a "yeled Hapeleh" not some kid with cute peyos who's mother lets him stay up past his bed time,
This kid is clearly a pro
Not sure why they decided to rip off the song like that but that kid has an incredible voice.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on April 08, 2019, 01:14:08 AM
Seems like the Hebrew version is from 2005. Not an Avoda Zara group - other songs are definitely serving Hashem.
https://sagol-music.bandcamp.com/

The first english Winccan version is from a Jew named Gila Antara - Tall Trees. Seems she understood Hebrew and translated it. Don't see anything from before that.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on April 08, 2019, 05:02:56 PM
Seems like the Hebrew version is from 2005. Not an Avoda Zara group - other songs are definitely serving Hashem.
https://sagol-music.bandcamp.com/

The first english Winccan version is from a Jew named Gila Antara - Tall Trees. Seems she understood Hebrew and translated it. Don't see anything from before that.
Repost. Please also repost the subsequent findings...
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on April 08, 2019, 05:07:53 PM
I was wrong. This is the original
http://thatroundhouse.info/music.htm

Wow. It took some time finding.
The group is Prana. the song is "Tall Trees". The original words: "I feel it in my body, and I feed it to my source." Definitely avoda Zara.

Then Sagol took it and cleaned up the words. The following versions seem to be taken from their version.

My full findings are here:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/adama-veshamayim-avoda-zara/#post-1711251
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: YitzyS on April 08, 2019, 06:11:26 PM
I was wrong. This is the original
http://thatroundhouse.info/music.htm

Wow. It took some time finding.
The group is Prana. the song is "Tall Trees". The original words: "I feel it in my body, and I feed it to my source." Definitely avoda Zara.

Then Sagol took it and cleaned up the words. The following versions seem to be taken from their version.

My full findings are here:
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/adama-veshamayim-avoda-zara/#post-1711251
Thanks!
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yzj on April 11, 2019, 06:17:46 PM
Is it any wonder that some of these commentors think this is for real?

http://matzav.com/hilarious-how-to-make-jewish-music-today/
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Randomex on April 25, 2019, 01:23:07 PM
Related question: What's the most Jewish-sounding non-Jewish music?
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: yuneeq on April 28, 2019, 08:08:45 AM
Related question: What's the most Jewish-sounding non-Jewish music?

This is definitely up there

Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: TheAsh on May 01, 2019, 03:50:40 PM
There used to be a website called Hassidic or Korean, which played both types of music and made you guess which was which. It was quite hard.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Baruch on May 01, 2019, 09:50:56 PM
This is definitely up there


The guy in the middle is wearing Tzitzis! :D
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Randomex on May 07, 2019, 03:12:52 PM
He's actually done an album with some Israeli guy called Kosher Nostra: Jewish Gangsters Greatest Hits.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: shaulyaakov on May 14, 2019, 02:32:21 PM
Maoz Tzur
https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=XwreWoIsKx8
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Dan on May 14, 2019, 03:06:06 PM
LOL!
👆 גם אני מצטרף לה-ל.א.ל.
Title: Re: Jewish Music With Non-Jewish Origins Master Thread
Post by: Lou Bob on May 15, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
👆 גם אני מצטרף לה-ל.א.ל.
@Moishebatchy give Dan his account back.