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Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 05:12:51 PM
can we have the bashing rule lifted for this one thread , yitzer why are u such a fan of xps
Because it's a phenomenal laptop. Excellent build quality and I paid peanuts for it.

My specs are:
Core 2 Extreme X9000, 2.8ghz
4GB RAM
320GB 7200RPM HD
8600m GT

And a crapload of other goodies, I only paid 800 for it.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 05:37:45 PM
nice you prob run windows though
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 07:11:25 PM
Triple boot, xp/vista/ubuntu
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 07:37:48 PM
sweet! i hope your running compiz fusion in ubuntu
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 11:06:46 PM
sweet! i hope your running compiz fusion in ubuntu
For sure, that stuff is wicked.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 02, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
Triple boot, xp/vista/ubuntu
Which of those do you like best?

So far i haven't Installed Vista. (I have a legal copy, but everything I've read, and everybody iuknow who has it tells me to stick with xp)

there are many things I like better about ubuntu, but overall I find things to be a bit more annoying and complicated than xp.
compiz fusion looks really really cool but does it actually do anything really useful?

judging by E's avatar I think we know where he stands on this :)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 11:34:03 PM
it is a bit more annoying and complicated but it adds to the fun, compiz fusion is really just an appearance effects manager, personally i currently have my ubnuntu to appear like leopard , even the boot screen looks like leopard , just cause i could
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 11:36:19 PM
Which of those do you like best?

So far i haven't Installed Vista. (I have a legal copy, but everything I've read, and everybody iuknow who has it tells me to stick with xp)

there are many things I like better about ubuntu, but overall I find things to be a bit more annoying and complicated than xp.
compiz fusion looks really really cool but does it actually do anything really useful?

judging by E's avatar I think we know where he stands on this :)

Ohh, we got ourselves a linux fanboy....

Compiz is just a really cool looking GUI. I made it look like OSX and my friend who has a mac went crazy. He was pissed that he paid so much for something that he could have gotten for free.

I like all of those os's. mainly ubuntu and xp. Vista does have some cool stuff (DX10) And some other stupid stuff. But when you have a system like mine, it runs perfect. All those guys that hate it are only complaining because their system can't run it. Simple.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 11:38:10 PM
it is a bit more annoying and complicated but it adds to the fun, compiz fusion is really just an appearance effects manager, personally i currently have my ubnuntu to appear like leopard , even the boot screen looks like leopard , just cause i could
It's just a bit annoying because a lot of it is still controlled from the console. Which takes some time getting used to. But in the end it's a pretty solid OS.

E, Do you have the newest distro?
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 11:40:09 PM
yup! what i would really like to do is be in the compiz cube desktop be able to make each side of the cube a look like a different os,
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 11:40:59 PM
8.04 all the way
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 11:41:53 PM
yup! what i would really like to do is be in the compiz cube desktop be able to make each side of the cube a look like a different os,
That sounds pretty hard. I really like the transparency. It was a bit of a pain in the arse when I downloaded compiz and something else which conflicted. That was a pain.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 11:42:59 PM
8.04 all the way
Btw congrats on the 50th post, JR MEMBER! LOL. I can't rip on you anymore, darn.

8.04 is pretty solid. Haven't used it too much though. I just upgraded from 7.10
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 11:46:46 PM
i update automatically like five times a day, its good to have some fellow ubuntuins ,to talk to the ubuntu forums are full of geeks who talk in code i don't really understand, 
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 02, 2008, 11:49:21 PM
i update automatically like five times a day, its good to have some fellow ubuntuins ,to talk to the ubuntu forums are full of geeks who talk in code i don't really understand, 
You update what automatically? And btw those ubuntu geeks can sometimes be major pricks to n00bs, when I was learning, I asked a question on one of the forums and this guy told me to type some code in the console. And BAM my pc just shut down. What a prick.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 11:49:56 PM
Quote
Btw congrats on the 50th post, JR MEMBER! LOL. I can't rip on you anymore, darn.
thnx , very exiting u know ::)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 02, 2008, 11:52:03 PM
update my system , update manager since the os is so new they have new fixes a few times a day
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 02, 2008, 11:59:08 PM
I was actually thinking of upgrading to 8.04 tonight, funny this discussion should come up now...
i update automatically like five times a day, its good to have some fellow ubuntuins ,to talk to the ubuntu forums are full of geeks who talk in code i don't really understand, 
I agree. (well kind of, I don't have much of a problem with the geeks talking in code, but still...)

You update what automatically? And btw those ubuntu geeks can sometimes be major pricks to n00bs, when I was learning, I asked a question on one of the forums and this guy told me to type some code in the console. And BAM my pc just shut down. What a prick.
at least he didnt tell you to type
Code: [Select]
sudo rm -rf /(don't EVER do that!!)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 12:05:12 AM
I was actually thinking of upgrading to 8.04 tonight, funny this discussion should come up now...I agree. (well kind of, I don't have much of a problem with the geeks talking in code, but still...)
at least he didnt tell you to type
Code: [Select]
sudo rm -rf /(don't EVER do that!!)
Yea, at least they weren't THAT mean. Thank g-d
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 12:06:05 AM
I was actually thinking of upgrading to 8.04 tonight

Whats stopping you.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 12:06:34 AM
I don't know if 8.04 is as stable as 7.10. I think I might go back
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 12:15:19 AM
Whats stopping you.
how about this:
I don't know if 8.04 is as stable as 7.10. I think I might go back
I actually have two computers with ubuntu, one I use for work and needs to be stable. I'm going to wait a bit before upgrading that one.

I have a laptop with ubuntu/xp dual boot. I mainly use that for fooling around so I'll probably upgrade that tonight. (if i dont waste my whole night here:))
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 03, 2008, 12:16:18 AM
u can go i let
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 12:20:14 AM
thanks for the permission!
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 12:24:05 AM
thanks for the permission!
You don't have mine. I'm sorry but I have to be strict on this one.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 12:27:57 AM
You don't have mine. I'm sorry but I have to be strict on this one.
I guess I'm in for a long night...
:)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 12:44:42 AM
I guess I'm in for a long night...
:)
Don't worry. I'll make sure you don't get bored.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 01:09:35 AM
Don't worry. I'll make sure you don't get bored.
Oh, don't worry about that, compiz fusion is seeing to that.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:11:03 AM
Oh, don't worry about that, compiz fusion is seeing to that.
Well. I got bored of that. The good thing, is that you can constantly alter it. Thereby making it more interesting. Ahh, the world of ubuntu.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
What happened the E. Ditched already? The topic was just beginning to get interesting.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 01:12:20 AM
Well. I got bored of that. The good thing, is that you can constantly alter it. Thereby making it more interesting. Ahh, the world of ubuntu.
No, I meant trying to install it!
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 01:12:58 AM
What happened the E. Ditched already? The topic was just beginning to get interesting.
Maybe he actually has a life?
:)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: eli123 on June 03, 2008, 01:15:22 AM
Interesting? sound like a bunch of....
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:17:45 AM
No, I meant trying to install it!
Good luck on installing it. It was a pain to get it fully working.

Maybe he actually has a life?
:)

Very true. I'm still trying to figure out if I actually have a life. Wait.... I do. But nothing beats a good discussion. It never ceases to entertain me.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:18:08 AM
Interesting? sound like a bunch of....
Continue please.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: eli123 on June 03, 2008, 01:18:49 AM
going to sleep................ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:19:12 AM
Best of all, you get to rip on people on forums. :-)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:19:58 AM
going to sleep................ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Whats the matter? I'd love to hear your constructive criticism.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 03, 2008, 01:20:19 AM
Maybe he actually has a life?
:)
well im officially signing off for the night gn everyone
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 01:21:57 AM
well im officially signing off for the night gn everyone
Take care.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 03, 2008, 01:42:06 AM
funny how all this was posted in the "wanna get more posts" thread but it can actually be a good topic of the upsides and downsides of ubuntu vs xp/vista. i personally have been using vista for about 18 months now and i love it. someone made a comment before and he was right, that the ppl who were complaining simply didn't have the power to run it.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 01:46:09 AM
someone made a comment before and he was right, that the ppl who were complaining simply didn't have the power to run it.
Or the people who have the power to run it but have run into various bugs or problems.

Regardless, the very fact that you need the latest and greatest machine just to run the OS is a problem in of itself.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 03, 2008, 02:00:22 AM
True. but i also used vlite and my installation of vista ultimate with SP1 integrated fully registered and activated on any dell, fits on a 1GB USB key. so there are ways of having vista without it being a resource hog.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 02:00:52 AM
Or the people who have the power to run it but have run into various bugs or problems.

Regardless, the very fact that you need the latest and greatest machine just to run the OS is a problem in of itself.

True, and thats why there is XP. I will admit that vista was one big fluke and thats why microsoft is coming out with Windows 7 sometime in the next two years.

Nevertheless, those that DO have powerful machines can run vista very smoothly. Besides, there are many tweaks to tone down vista and I've done them and it works pretty damn well,

XP with SP3 is a great OS. But we've all gotta move on. If you remember when XP came out, everyone was bashing it right and left. "98 Is much better, why go to XP, it has so many bugs." And now look at it.

It just comes to prove my point that people are always going to bash the newest OS and say their old one is fine. Technology is advancing and so should we.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 02:15:49 AM
I actually happened to buy a computer on the day xp was released. I know I personally always liked it much better than 2000 (I guess 98 wasn't terrible if you dont mind restarting every 20 minutes). I don't recall there being very much resistance to xp.
sure it had it's bugs and it took them some time to work out the kinks etc. but it was a major improvement over the previous versions.

At this point I just don't see any compelling reason to switch.
what's the big advantage of vista over xp? some cool visual effects? I think at this point the disadvantages outweigh the advantages.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 02:28:30 AM
Well if you do graphics or play games, it's got DX10 which is a pretty cool thing. Plus it has some cool features. Granted the indexing service sucks. Nevertheless you can work out the kinks, the same way you did to XP. If you know how to tweak the OS then your pretty much set.

Btw, XP Sucked when it came out, BSOD's gone wild! Then with the service packs it evolved into a great OS.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 03:06:50 AM
I guess it depends on your point of reference. mine was windows 98, and let me tell you, it was horrible.

I personally didn't have any BSOD problems.

I'm not saying vista is terrible. I'm just saying I dont see much of an advantage over xp so for me there's no reason to upgrade at this point.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 03:10:20 AM
I guess it depends on your point of reference. mine was windows 98, and let me tell you, it was horrible.

I personally didn't have any BSOD problems.

I'm not saying vista is terrible. I'm just saying I dont see much of an advantage over xp so for me there's no reason to upgrade at this point.
Your right, there is no point in upgrading if you already have xp running great. But I just can't stand the people that have crappy laptops and complain that vista sucks. Be happy with what you have, that's the main thing.

And tweak it a little. :-)
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 03, 2008, 03:33:17 AM
oh well, I'm upgraded to 8.04 "Hardy"  and I think I played with compiz-fusion enough for now, I think I'm going to hit the sack...
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 03:44:09 AM
Alright, take care man.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 03:44:21 AM
I hope you enjoyed yourself.
Title: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: coralsnake on June 03, 2008, 09:57:51 AM

I'm not saying vista is terrible. I'm just saying I dont see much of an advantage over xp so for me there's no reason to upgrade at this point.
Vista is terrible.
This it unless you like buying all new printers and programs because none of them are compatible with Vista.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 02:50:09 PM
Vista is terrible.
This it unless you like buying all new printers and programs because none of them are compatible with Vista.
Naturally older products wont work, it's like saying my 15 yr old battery won't fit in my new laptop.

Technology changes and therefore previous tech becomes obsolete. That's the way of the world. And it's not worth it for the companys to make new drivers for the older printers, because they can just charge you to buy a new one.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Mordy on June 03, 2008, 03:39:41 PM
Ubuntu for the win!

Nah seriously tho, Vista is great for common tasks, such as web browsing, music management, pictures, office apps, etc... Basically, if you're a teen-aged girl who only knows how to do the same 5 things on your computer, that should be fine.

But when you try to do anything hard-core, you WILL get into problems that need to be worked out.
Examples: My matrox real-time editing cards wasn't recognized by Premeire because vista blocked access to the hardware from software layers as a security issue. You can work this out with some tweaks, but I'm told it will never work quite the same until you go back to XP.
I'm also very involved in embedded development, specifically spending alot of my time on HTC phones and their firmware. I've had Vista lock directories on me many times when building firmwares and have to do all kinds of things to make my software talk to the com port properly.
Can you make Vista work properly? YES! But you have to jump through hoops and take many additional steps to do so. Steps you wouldn't have had to take with XP. So why is it worth bothering?

In fact, Microsoft KNOWS vista isn't as solid an offering as they had hoped, and despite the fact that they are pushing Vista down everyone's throats, they admit that business users (who need stability and support for legacy configurations) will prefer XP. That's why, for the first time in MS history that I know of, MS is actually secretly offering free downgrade rights to XP for Vista users.
http://news.cnet.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html (http://news.cnet.com/The-XP-alternative-for-Vista-PCs/2100-1016_3-6209481.html)
That's right, if you have Vista Ulimate or Business, you can put an XP CD in, and when it prompts for a  reg code, you can call MS and they will give  you a reg number free of charge. They never gave away older versions for free before, and back in the windows ME days, they made you buy an additional license for 98 if ME was too buggy for you.

This should be proof enough that even MS admits Vista isn't ready for everyone.
To those who say XP was buggy at first too... it was never this bad. XP was actually one of the first solid OS's MS released that was decent from the start.
Vista is more like Windows ME all over again, which was a disaster. Here's to hoping Windows 7 gets it right.

If I didn't use applications that required a Windows environment, I'd be using Ubuntu exclusively... but that's a matter of preference. For now, XP is the only logical choice for me.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 03, 2008, 04:06:16 PM
In addition to the free downgrades, Mordy, Dell found a loophole in Vista's Licensing Agreement which allows them to continue selling XP on computers as long as it's vista capable and with a Vista upgrade option, even though MS is not allowing it after June 30th (date may be wrong).

Pretty Cool. Kudos to Dell. I love them. Even though many people hate Dell, I will continue to stand by their side. I've gone through the 700m to the 710m and now to the M1210. I've purchased about $200,000 worth of hardware from Dell (purchasing for my company of course) and they've never failed with warranty support or customer service. Ya they screwed up when they outsourced to India, but that's why I have Gold support and XPS support with guaranteed on-shore agents.

When I bought my laptop it was fully loaded but that was almost 2 years ago. I've decked it out now. I went from 2GB RAM to 4GB RAM, from a 60GB 7200RPM HD to a 200GB 7200RPM with 16MB cache and free-fall sensor, from a Wireless a/b/g card to a Wireless N, from built in Verizon which wasn't activated to a built-in Sprint card which my life depends on (I built it in myself if anyone needs help let me know). The only thing is I'm still stuck with a Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo) 2.0 Ghz processor. That should be no problem once I call Dell Tech Support and have them send me a new free upgraded processor "for my troubles" like they did with the N card.

Dell XPS RULES!
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 04:25:41 PM
In addition to the free downgrades, Mordy, Dell found a loophole in Vista's Licensing Agreement which allows them to continue selling XP on computers as long as it's vista capable and with a Vista upgrade option, even though MS is not allowing it after June 30th (date may be wrong).

Pretty Cool. Kudos to Dell. I love them. Even though many people hate Dell, I will continue to stand by their side. I've gone through the 700m to the 710m and now to the M1210. I've purchased about $200,000 worth of hardware from Dell (purchasing for my company of course) and they've never failed with warranty support or customer service. Ya they screwed up when they outsourced to India, but that's why I have Gold support and XPS support with guaranteed on-shore agents.

When I bought my laptop it was fully loaded but that was almost 2 years ago. I've decked it out now. I went from 2GB RAM to 4GB RAM, from a 60GB 7200RPM HD to a 200GB 7200RPM with 16MB cache and free-fall sensor, from a Wireless a/b/g card to a Wireless N, from built in Verizon which wasn't activated to a built-in Sprint card which my life depends on (I built it in myself if anyone needs help let me know). The only thing is I'm still stuck with a Core Duo (not Core 2 Duo) 2.0 Ghz processor. That should be no problem once I call Dell Tech Support and have them send me a new free upgraded processor "for my troubles" like they did with the N card.

Dell XPS RULES!

I love dell. I had the HP and I didn't like the build quality.

Mordy. I already said the Vista is a fluke and that MS agrees with it, thats why they said that we should be seeing windows 7 beta as soon as next year.

I agree that XP Rocks, the thing is, that when people downgrade they sometimes have to find drivers which are not OEM and therefore the system doesn't really improve that much. I tried XP with my XPS and got drivers from all over the place. It wasn't faster then Vista. The thing that XP WILL give you is more compatibility with programs and such. (like you said)
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 04:28:23 PM
All in all, Ubnutu rules. You have complete control of your system and that's the main thing. Plus I love the open source stuff. I am currently learning c# and I respect the people that put hard work into a program and don't charge for it.

Linux is a very powerful OS, you just have to learn how to utilize it.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: coralsnake on June 03, 2008, 07:50:57 PM
Naturally older products wont work, it's like saying my 15 yr old battery won't fit in my new laptop.

Technology changes and therefore previous tech becomes obsolete. That's the way of the world. And it's not worth it for the companys to make new drivers for the older printers, because they can just charge you to buy a new one.

No, Its like saying that my brand new printer purchased a year ago and the Corporate Symantec Edition also bought last year were now obsolete and there is no way to have it work with Vista.

This is why Vista Sucks.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 09:35:48 PM
No, Its like saying that my brand new printer purchased a year ago and the Corporate Symantec Edition also bought last year were now obsolete and there is no way to have it work with Vista.

This is why Vista Sucks.
First off, symantec sucks anyway. And I am sure if you look in the right places you can find a driver for your printer.

It's not that vista sucks. Your just having a driver issue. Many people have that problem. When XP came out, most of the 98 stuff (printers etc) Wouldn't work with it. It's got nothing to do with vista. It's actually the printer company at fault. Most good companys that have hardware usually update their drivers and make them compatible with a newer OS, it's not like flying to the moon you know.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 03, 2008, 09:40:26 PM
First off, symantec sucks anyway.
I second that. I was using Symantec Corporate for years until I decided it was slowing down my system like crazy. I now use AVG 8.0 (recently upgraded from 7.5. Choose 7.5 if you want the free version), and I'm very happy with it.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 03, 2008, 09:45:25 PM
I second that. I was using Symantec Corporate for years until I decided it was slowing down my system like crazy. I now use AVG 8.0 (recently upgraded from 7.5. Choose 7.5 if you want the free version), and I'm very happy with it.
No offense, but AVG sucks too. I do a lot of downloading "hint hint". And AVG is notorious for coming up with false positives.

If you research it, you will find that Avira happens to be one of the best antivirus programs out there. And it's completely free. It has yet to give a false positive.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 04, 2008, 12:14:39 AM
While I agree with you that AVG does give false positives, in fact it just did to me with the Office 2007 keygen, I still believe it is the fastest antivirus out there, meaning that it slows down your computer the least. That's very important to me and I'll take the false pos's every now and then.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Mordy on June 04, 2008, 12:27:01 AM
All in all, Ubnutu rules. You have complete control of your system and that's the main thing. Plus I love the open source stuff. I am currently learning c# and I respect the people that put hard work into a program and don't charge for it.

Linux is a very powerful OS, you just have to learn how to utilize it.

Funny... as I'm reading this I'm installing Ubuntu on an old toshiba laptop here for my daughter.
P3 700Mhz flies with ubuntu whereas XP was barely useable on it.
Only problem- I want to use this as an a2dp receiver for my home stereo and replace the bluetooth adaptor on my home speaker system. ubuntu has questionable bluetooth support, and wireless audio profiles leave much to be desired. XP can do this well with the right stack (broadcomm, bluesoliel), but the irony is that Vista has a2dp and other advanced BT profiles built in with plug-and-play ease of use.
But vista on a p3 700mhz is out of the question, so back to XP...
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 04, 2008, 05:44:36 AM
I was actually going to put ubuntu on my sis's comp thats like 5 years old. lol.

P3 850mhz and 128MB ram. That thing is slow as hell.

Btw, mordy, I am using no2's 5069, latest release and I really like it. I pretty much have a constant 20mb free of ram. and it's blazing fast. I think he did a great job on this one.

I am officially leaving dcd and going no2. You were right about it.

For some reason it wouldn't work with Radio 3.39 so I rolled back to the 3.35 Radio. Hope that helps.

While I agree with you that AVG does give false positives, in fact it just did to me with the Office 2007 keygen, I still believe it is the fastest antivirus out there, meaning that it slows down your computer the least. That's very important to me and I'll take the false pos's every now and then.

Did you ever try Avira. Seriously, try it and tell me what uses more resources. I can guarantee you that avira uses less.

It has about a 7MB footprint. Does AVG beat it?
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 04, 2008, 06:36:29 PM
Neh, I'm good. AVG is 29MB, not that much worse. Some are hundreds.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 04, 2008, 08:00:50 PM
Neh, I'm good. AVG is 29MB, not that much worse. Some are hundreds.

29MB! That is a lot. Imagine the CPU usage on that thing. I am disappointed in you.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 04, 2008, 08:16:42 PM
5 exe's running in the background, 0 CPU usage, and 23MB of RAM being used.. Ok, maybe yours is better. I don't have time to research it. I'm happy with AVG. The only thing that bothers me which is kinda major is when I tell it to ignore the threat, it doesn't really ignore the actual file. It just removes the screen showing me the virus and then brings it back up about 30 seconds later.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 04, 2008, 08:18:59 PM
5 exe's running in the background, 0 CPU usage, and 23MB of RAM being used.. Ok, maybe yours is better. I don't have time to research it. I'm happy with AVG. The only thing that bothers me which is kinda major is when I tell it to ignore the threat, it doesn't really ignore the actual file. It just removes the screen showing me the virus and then brings it back up about 30 seconds later.
+2 for Avira! Yippee
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: aygart on June 04, 2008, 08:27:27 PM
I just now got a virus with AVG. It got by McAffee as well. It didn't get by Kaspersky. I will try what you mentioned. You should realise that what is free to you is free to the hackers as well and is probably the first thing they test their virus against. I suggest that you occasionally do the free online test from Kaspersky.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 04, 2008, 11:07:09 PM
I just now got a virus with AVG. It got by McAffee as well. It didn't get by Kaspersky. I will try what you mentioned. You should realise that what is free to you is free to the hackers as well and is probably the first thing they test their virus against. I suggest that you occasionally do the free online test from Kaspersky.

Umm, about that free thing for hackers. Dude, they crack that stuff anyway. I'd like to think that I know the scene a bit. And trust me, they don't pay for anything. If anything, they spend their time trying to hack programs that charge.

When programs charge, it shows one thing. That the program is basically s*** and you have to pay full price to try it out and then you find out it's crap but by then they already have your money.

All the best programs out there are freeware and a lot of them open source. Firefox ring a bell, it's the most secure and best broweser out there, oh and did I mention it's free.

Do you know anything about firewalls? Comodo which is free, is currently one of the most powerful and effective firewalls out now. And with a tiny memory footprint.

Norton, which happens to be extremely expensive, is the biggest joke of an antivirus program. Besides the fact that it takes up about half your cpu and ram, the thing can't stop crap! And the people that have it, think "I paid x amount of money for it so it's gotta be the best". That's @%# @%@!@

I can go on and on about how many awesome free programs are out there. But I am not going to waste my time telling you.

Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Mordy on June 05, 2008, 01:09:08 AM
Btw, mordy, I am using no2's 5069, latest release and I really like it. I pretty much have a constant 20mb free of ram. and it's blazing fast. I think he did a great job on this one.

I am officially leaving dcd and going no2. You were right about it.

Glad you took my advice. Its like a whole new device- the way it *SHOULD* have been from the factory, right? Did you notice Direct Draw works now?
Every now and then I actually do know what I'm talking about... ;)

And that's just a beta. Some things may/will still be a little off, that's what he's already released 5069b last night... !!!
Yeah, a new release 2 days later. This is the way its going to be until he's happy enough with it to call it 6070 and make it an official "stable" release. Meanwhile, I'm on 5060 still waiting for the next one he deams stable enough.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 05, 2008, 02:32:42 AM
Glad you took my advice. Its like a whole new device- the way it *SHOULD* have been from the factory, right? Did you notice Direct Draw works now?
Every now and then I actually do know what I'm talking about... ;)

And that's just a beta. Some things may/will still be a little off, that's what he's already released 5069b last night... !!!
Yeah, a new release 2 days later. This is the way its going to be until he's happy enough with it to call it 6070 and make it an official "stable" release. Meanwhile, I'm on 5060 still waiting for the next one he deams stable enough.

5069b Already came out. Jeez that man is good. The truth is, I was into this whole thing about 5 months ago, and haven't really been checking up on it since, so I didn't really know what was going on. No2 is a great chef, I think he did an awesome job on the one I am using now. I already got a lot of things hooked up so it's going to be a pain to flash again. oh well.

Thank you for letting me know about this. DCD's gotta come back into the loop, it's night and day between him and no2.

It's spelled "Deems" not "deams". I just had to do that, because of your comment about bochurim not knowing English! lol

All the best man. I'll let you know how 5069b goes.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Eli on June 05, 2008, 02:55:18 PM
It's spelled "Deems" not "deams". I just had to do that, because of your comment about bochurim not knowing English! lol

We could be so busy correcting people all our lives. Someone I know (hint hint Mordy) - or actually don't know at all besides for a few back and forth e-mails, sent me the following funny stick-art clip from xkcd:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Yitzter on June 05, 2008, 03:02:37 PM
We could be so busy correcting people all our lives. Someone I know (hint hint Mordy) - or actually don't know at all besides for a few back and forth e-mails, sent me the following funny stick-art clip from xkcd:

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png)
Thats actually a pretty funny picture. Very real. By the way, I am not the one who made a section for people to learn how to spell. And nor am I the one who said that the secular education for bochurim is sad. I am just trying to make a point that everyone makes mistakes.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: Mordy on June 08, 2008, 10:17:59 AM
Thats actually a pretty funny picture. Very real. By the way, I am not the one who made a section for people to learn how to spell. And nor am I the one who said that the secular education for bochurim is sad. I am just trying to make a point that everyone makes mistakes.

Thanks for the correction.
Yes, I make PLENTY of typos on the internet, as I said once before, this isn't my job. I'm much more careful about my use of the language when I'm doing technical writing or writing a column to be published- or, at least I try. Thank goodness for editors.

Anyway, Eli, you missed the best part of that comic... if you mouse over the original comic on xkcd, you get to see the author's comments, which are often funnier then the whole thing.

In this case, the author says "But if I leave, they'll still be wrong!!"
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on June 18, 2008, 08:29:13 PM
can someone please explain this to me
Quote
I fixed it this way, which should still work even if the kernel gets updated (I think). Add the following lines to your /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist file:

# these aes modules break the airo driver
blacklist padlock_aes
blacklist geode_aes
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: whYME on June 19, 2008, 11:02:51 PM
can someone please explain this to me
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modprobe#Blacklist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modprobe#Blacklist):
"modprobe is a Linux program written by Rusty Russell used to add/remove a module to/from the Linux kernel"
"There are cases where two or more modules both support the same devices, or a module invalidly claims to support a device: the blacklist keyword indicates that all of a particular module's internal aliases are to be ignored."
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: rafaelous on October 18, 2009, 05:12:29 PM
Loving my tri booting MacBook Pro. Ubuntu, Snow Leopard and Windoze 7.
Title: Re: XP/Vista/Ubuntu
Post by: E on November 08, 2009, 12:59:43 AM
Hey sup check out mint as an alternitive to ubuntu