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Title: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Dan on May 02, 2011, 05:23:42 PM
Best. Game. Ever. (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W7JWUA/?tag=cl03f-20)

Well, at least for a game played on a board.  Must've played it 10 times over Pesach.
Any other Settlers players out there?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: myb821 on May 02, 2011, 05:27:45 PM
Best. Game. Ever. (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W7JWUA/?tag=cl03f-20)

Well, at least for a game played on a board.  Must've played it 10 times over Pesach.
Any other Settlers players out there?
it is a great game
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Shua on May 02, 2011, 10:56:42 PM
The game is really awesome. You could play it online but I am warning you, you might waste a lot of time on it (even more than angry birds!)
http://www.playcatan.com/
Go Ore!
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: elikay on May 02, 2011, 11:10:11 PM
good game
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: APoshiterYid on May 03, 2011, 12:27:36 AM
Best. Game. Ever. (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W7JWUA/?tag=cl03f-20)

Well, at least for a game played on a board.  Must've played it 10 times over Pesach.
Any other Settlers players out there?
Unfortunately I was scarred from this game (I stayed at some family in Israels house for shabbos and they force fed us this game for 8 hours), but Im sure it would be loads of fun if not for all the painful associations! :)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on August 22, 2016, 12:15:31 AM
This Shabbos I was playing Cities and Nights and we didn't roll a barbarian for about 40 straight rolls.
That's 1 in a trillion!!! (2^40)

I should buy a lottery ticket :P
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on August 26, 2016, 01:08:17 AM
So when's the first DDF Settlers tournament?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: CreamofSoup on August 26, 2016, 07:14:32 AM
Played Settlers for the first time a few weekends ago. It's a fantastic game but  I think I prefer Pandemic - the co-op aspect is something you don't see in too many board games.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on August 26, 2016, 08:15:59 AM
Played Settlers for the first time a few weekends ago. It's a fantastic game but  I think I prefer Pandemic - the co-op aspect is something you don't see in too many board games.

I've played Pandemic and it is a nice concept but I still prefer Settlers by far.

Maybe you need to try Cities and Knights. Once you play Cities and Knights you can't go back to plain Settlers anymore.  :)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2016, 12:58:57 AM
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on August 30, 2016, 01:38:10 AM


So what do you think he is worth?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: whYME on October 10, 2016, 06:04:10 PM
I already practically forgot how to play, we need to have another over-shabbos DO sometime ;)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: zagguru on August 05, 2018, 10:36:53 AM
Has anyone played Rivals For Catan or Catan Card game? Is it any good?

Can I assume its the Monopoly deal of Catan?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on August 05, 2018, 12:27:29 PM
Has anyone played Rivals For Catan
Yes. It's a pretty good game but nowhere near as good as the real thing. Also setup (and keeping the many different decks of cards separate) can be a pain.

The biggest benefit of it is that you can play with 2 players.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 16, 2018, 03:53:28 PM
Catan Card Game and Rivals for Catan are not identical; according to BoardGameGeek, the designer (of both) said that he reworked many of the original card game's mechanics for Rivals to make it easier for newcomers to play. Both are 2-player only and shouldn't be confused with the 2-4 player card game The Struggle for Catan (which wasn't rated as high as the 2p versions by BGG users).

(Also, Monopoly Millionaire Deal over Monopoly Deal, hands down.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: jj1000 on October 16, 2018, 04:14:06 PM
Also, Monopoly Millionaire Deal over Monopoly Deal, hands down.
Banned from the forums.

Although you likely play with the bad rules for monopoly deal.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 16, 2018, 04:35:28 PM
Meaning the rules as written? What rules do you use?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 16, 2018, 04:40:58 PM
The biggest benefit of it is that you can play with 2 players.

An official 2-player variant for Catan exists (some unofficial ones, too) - it might not be in the rulebook for many editions, though.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: jj1000 on October 16, 2018, 04:55:43 PM
Meaning the rules as written? What rules do you use?
Tip: If you want a really fun version of this game, you must always put down money and properties as soon as you get them, and do not count that as an action. This will speed up game play and make stealing properties more exciting.

Some other small variations as well.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: zagguru on October 17, 2018, 08:53:35 AM
Banned from the forums.

Although you likely play with the bad rules for monopoly deal.

Never played Millionaire. Why banned?


Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: zagguru on October 17, 2018, 09:00:58 AM
An official 2-player variant for Catan exists (some unofficial ones, too) - it might not be in the rulebook for many editions, though.

What is the official 2-player version?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: jj1000 on October 17, 2018, 09:07:20 AM
Never played Millionaire. Why banned?



Because it isn't close to as good as the original, when playing with the right rules ;)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: zagguru on October 17, 2018, 09:08:49 AM
Because it isn't close to as good as the original, when playing with the right rules ;)

I want to buy it just to try. But its going $40 on amazon. Cant justify that for a card game.

In the meantime, please detail the right rules here for the regular version ;)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 17, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
What is the official 2-player version?

According to the 2015 rulebook:
(This is not the text found in the rulebook. Please give me feedback on whether it was understandable.)

During setup, before initial placement of players' settlements, place 1 settlement of each of the unused colors on the board, one below the middle of the top row, the other above the middle of the bottom row. These represent neutral colors. Each time a player builds a road or settlement, they also place that same thing for one of the neutral colors (if no settlement is possible for either one, build a road instead). Note that a neutral color can take the Longest Road card.

Roll the dice twice each turn. If the second result is the same as the first, reroll it until it isn't.

Each player starts with 5 tokens, and may not have more than 7 at once. (The next paragraph will explain their use.) If you place a settlement adjacent to the desert hex, gain 2 tokens. If you place a settlement adjacent to water (the edge of the board), gain 1 token. (If both circumstances apply, gain 3.) This includes initial placement. Additionally, you may discard a Knight that you have played to gain 2 chips (this affects the Largest Army card).

Once on each of your turns, you may pay 1 token if you are the player with fewer (visible) points,
or 2 tokens if you are the player with more (visible) points, to take either of the following actions:
A. Put the Robber back on the desert hex (this can be done before rolling the dice, of course).
B. Take 2 resource cards at random from your opponent's hand, and then give them 2 resources of your choice.
(If your opponent only had 1 resource card, you must still give them 2.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 17, 2018, 05:43:15 PM
I want to buy it just to try. But its going $40 on amazon. Can't justify that for a card game.

I can justify it, depending on how many cards are in that game. This does not qualify. : )
(Out-of-print game prices on Amazon/eBay are almost always unreasonably high.)

You can get a good idea of it by reading these 2 reviews and the comments on them
(they seem to indicate that I underestimated Monopoly Deal, though I'm not convinced):
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/845165/monopoly-millionaire-deal-review-deal-fan
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/968848/terrible-stylistic-changes-and-dumbing-down-monopo

(A number of users on that site have it listed for trade - if you really wanted it, I suppose you could contact one of them and ask if they'd take payment instead, or just buy a cheap new game they're interested in and offer it in trade. The game isn't valued very highly there - the site's internal market hasn't seen it sold for over $10.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 17, 2018, 05:45:18 PM
Here's BGG's forum subsection for variant rules for Monopoly Deal:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/40398/monopoly-deal-card-game/forums/69
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 18, 2018, 08:38:24 PM
Quote from: Randomex
to gain 2 chips

"Chips" should have been "tokens."
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on April 25, 2019, 01:37:40 PM
You've all been playing Catan wrong. So very wrong.  :)

Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Dan on April 25, 2019, 01:45:59 PM
You've all been playing Catan wrong. So very wrong.  :)


:D
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: mmgfarb on April 25, 2019, 02:16:11 PM
You've all been playing Catan wrong. So very wrong.  :)


Lol
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: dealfinder11 on April 25, 2019, 04:13:32 PM
never played before i got married. Wife's family was really enthusiastic in teaching me how to play. That enthusiasm quickly dissipated when i started taking bribes not to put a robber on a property, and when i subsequently made sure to get a knight card at the beginning of the game as "7" insurance. If someone rolled a 7, i made it real clear that putting a robber on me would back fire as soon as it was my turn. Now i'm not invited to play anymore  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on April 29, 2019, 06:28:16 PM
...i started taking bribes not to put a robber on a property

The rules do not include a way to transfer an asset to someone other than trading
(which has its own limitations). It sounds like you weren't playing by the rules.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: dealfinder11 on April 29, 2019, 08:25:45 PM
The rules do not include a way to transfer an asset to someone other than trading
(which has its own limitations). It sounds like you weren't playing by the rules.
Seems like an entirely logical and strategic transaction. Would you rather there be more luck and less strategy? Sad.

Also its been awhile but i may have structured it as a trade. May have received something back of insignificant value.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on May 02, 2019, 05:33:14 PM
Your variant of Settlers of Catan may have less luck, but it is not the game as published by its designer.
(The "(has its own limitations)" part was there for a reason.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: jj1000 on May 02, 2019, 06:53:29 PM
The rules do not include a way to transfer an asset to someone other than trading
(which has its own limitations). It sounds like you weren't playing by the rules.
The same logic applies to any game.

Can you make truces in risk and team up against another person.

Can you make unfair trades in monopoly moments before you go bankrupt, just to help the underdog.

Can you fold in poker in a big hand so the person who was modest to. you today gets more chips.

Etc.

There is no rule against this style game play, it just makes for dumb games.

There is a special place in...for anyone who breaks the game code of playing within in spirit of the actual game.

But hey, it was their mistake for wanting him to play in the first place.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: dealfinder11 on May 02, 2019, 11:32:33 PM
The same logic applies to any game.

Can you make truces in risk and team up against another person.

Can you make unfair trades in monopoly moments before you go bankrupt, just to help the underdog.

Can you fold in poker in a big hand so the person who was modest to. you today gets more chips.

Etc.

There is no rule against this style game play, it just makes for dumb games.

There is a special place in...for anyone who breaks the game code of playing within in spirit of the actual game.

But hey, it was their mistake for wanting him to play in the first place.

so you're comparing bullying and sore losing to strategic creativity? really great analysis . 
Also, sending people to a hot place because they play a board game differently than you, might just mean you take board games a little too seriously.......
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 04, 2019, 05:40:28 PM
so you're comparing bullying and sore losing to strategic creativity? really great analysis . 
Also, sending people to a hot place because they play a board game differently than you, might just mean you take board games a little too seriously.......

Who said anything about ďa hot placeĒ? Iím sure he was referring to Cleveland, which rarely gets hot IME.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: mmgfarb on May 04, 2019, 09:20:56 PM


Who said anything about ďa hot placeĒ? Iím sure he was referring to Cleveland, which rarely gets hot IME.

You crazy or something?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Moishebatchy on May 05, 2019, 02:47:54 PM

You crazy or something?

I live in Israel. Cleveland summers barely come close to our winters.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: mmgfarb on May 05, 2019, 02:59:23 PM
I live in Israel. Cleveland summers barely come close to our winters.
Lol
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Dan on May 05, 2019, 03:04:28 PM
I live in Israel. Cleveland summers barely come close to our winters.
(https://oi1335.photobucket.com/albums/w667/Moishebatchy/HERSKO_zpsvn7eugbt.png)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on May 07, 2019, 04:38:55 PM
The same logic applies to any game.

Can you make truces in Risk and team up against another person?

Can you make unfair trades in Monopoly moments before you go bankrupt, just to help the underdog?

Can you fold in poker in a big hand so the person who was modest to you today gets more chips?

Etc.

There is no rule against this style of game play, it just makes for dumb games.

There is a special place in...for anyone who breaks the game code of playing within in spirit of the actual game.

There are the rules of a specific game, and there is the social contract of game-playing;
any given action can violate one, both, or neither. I was saying that the rules of Catan were
not being followed, not that this was not how Catan (or games in general) should be played.

There are 4 categories of actions relating to a game:
1. Actions defined by the rules and which create a change in the game state. (Example: Moving a piece according to the rules.)
2. Actions not defined by the rules and which create a change in the game state. (Examples: Moving a piece not according to the rules, flipping the table.)
3. Actions not defined by the rules which do not create a change in the game state and have no influence on the game. (Example: Eating pizza.)
4. Actions not defined by the rules which do not create a change in the game state, but nevertheless have influence on the game. (Example: Deal-making, leaving.)

(Note that the Risk example quoted was in category 4, while the others were in category 1.)

A game's rules usually address only category 1 (although in some cases, such as multiplayer conflict games,
like Risk, or "social deduction" games, like Mafia/Werewolf, games may be designed around category-4 actions
being a part of the experience and they may be mentioned, though not limited by a definition, in the rules).

The social contract of game-playing has two aspects. One is the allowance of some categories of actions and not others,
while the other is the "spirit of the game," usually including the idea that each player will do their best to win the game
themselves or come as close to doing so as possible (and not try to cause a specific other player to win, known among
game players as "king-making"). How the social contract treats category-4 actions will vary by group and by specific game.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on January 20, 2020, 01:25:08 PM
This is a thing:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/282853/catan-starfarers

It's a reprint (with further development) of the 1999 stand-alone Catan game,
The Starfarers of Catan. If you have any interest, first, check the price tag.
If you're still interested, listen to episode 96 of So Very Wrong About Games.
That's a good start to making an informed decision.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: myi on May 19, 2020, 04:27:30 AM
I think it's time to advance.. which is the next Catan game I shall buy for 5-6 players.
 We all loved the settlers of Catan.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: justaregularguy on May 19, 2020, 02:37:39 PM
I think it's time to advance.. which is the next Catan game I shall buy for 5-6 players.
 We all loved the settlers of Catan.
I have explorers and pirates as well as cities and knights. Id say explorers and pirates is the biggest expansion they have and introduces you to so many more features you hardly remember its settlers. i love it . In cities and Knights it basically super enhances the original game with more features.
cities and knights uses same game board while explorers and pirates has a vastly different (much bigger) board game.

Ill get around to seafarers and traders n barbarians one day..

as an aside i also have settle the incas game but its like a knockoff of the main game( also made by makers of settlers) you can try it its interesting
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on May 19, 2020, 03:59:57 PM
I think it's time to advance.. which is the next Catan game I shall buy for 5-6 players.

If you are looking for an expansion with simple rule changes but much customization and a large game board get Seafarers.
If you are looking for an expansion which has much more depth (and more difficult rules) but the same size game board get Cities & Knights.
If you are looking for a combination of both spacial expansion and complexity expansion get Explorers and Pirates (or combine Seafarers and C&K).

Traders and Barbarians is the forgotten child.


Ill get around to seafarers and traders n barbarians one day..
We own all of them and we haven't played these two in years.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: myi on May 19, 2020, 04:15:41 PM
If you are looking for an expansion with simple rule changes but much customization and a large game board get Seafarers.
If you are looking for an expansion which has much more depth (and more difficult rules) but the same size game board get Cities & Knights.
If you are looking for a combination of both spacial expansion and complexity expansion get Explorers and Pirates (or combine Seafarers and C&K).

Traders and Barbarians is the forgotten child.

We own all of them and we haven't played these two in years.
So to sum it up which one would you recommend I got to start with one?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on May 19, 2020, 04:50:33 PM
So to sum it up which one would you recommend I got to start with one?

I recommend Cities and Knights but I would suggest reading the rules online (https://www.catan.com/service/game-rules) first to get a sense of the game.

You also should be able to try it for free in the Catan Universe app using a scroll to unlock it for a few (24?) hours. If you want, we can arrange a game, did you ever check to see if the friend request came through?

Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: justaregularguy on May 19, 2020, 05:11:00 PM
So to sum it up which one would you recommend I got to start with one?
my route was explorers and pirates-cities n knight-next will be traders n babarians-lastly seafarers. Honestly the 1st 2 are great options, my only drawback from cities and knights is the frustration of not getting resources and then losing cities to the barbarians(yes theres a barbarian ship unrelated to traders n barbarians game) and you cant improve further wo cities. In explorers n pirates , whenevr you dont get resources, you get gold( 8)) so you constantly never feel "out of it"
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on May 20, 2020, 03:14:38 PM
(Whichever one you choose, you'll also need that expansion's specific 5-6 Player Extension.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: myi on June 19, 2020, 01:32:45 PM
This is a birthday cake I'll appreciate!   :D


(https://i.ibb.co/fkQ006Y/IMG-20200619-WA0007.jpg) (https://ibb.co/hBC88QR)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: justaregularguy on June 19, 2020, 01:45:46 PM
wow that is VERY cool! im super impressed :)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: shaulyaakov on June 20, 2020, 11:15:15 PM
My wife and I have gotten really into the 2 player version during COVID-19 - Rivals for Catan. Very good, and has a similar feel to C&K.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on June 26, 2020, 02:58:58 AM
Get hyped (no idea when the release is expected):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catan:_World_Explorers
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: ar on July 07, 2020, 11:23:11 PM
I'm having a Shabbat gathering this week with my family, and looking for a good adult game (5-6 couples). Heard so much about Catan from Dan, but never got to try it. Is it gonna work for us, as beginners? Or you need to be experienced in order to enjoy it?

If not Catan, can someone reccomend another good board game? (We used to do Blokus... but outgrew it)

Thanks
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Dan on July 07, 2020, 11:33:42 PM
I'm having a Shabbat gathering this week with my family, and looking for a good adult game (5-6 couples). Heard so much about Catan from Dan, but never got to try it. Is it gonna work for us, as beginners? Or you need to be experienced in order to enjoy it?
Sure.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Joeymc on July 08, 2020, 01:33:53 AM
I'm having a Shabbat gathering this week with my family, and looking for a good adult game (5-6 couples). Heard so much about Catan from Dan, but never got to try it. Is it gonna work for us, as beginners? Or you need to be experienced in order to enjoy it?

If not Catan, can someone reccomend another good board game? (We used to do Blokus... but outgrew it)

Thanks
Ticket to Ride is quite good. It's for 5 players. Might be better for beginners, it's easier to pick up.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: ar on July 08, 2020, 11:17:54 AM
Thanks, looking online on the instructions for Catan, it seems like it takes time to get the hang of it...

Will see


Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Joeymc on July 08, 2020, 11:29:32 AM
Thanks, looking online on the instructions for Catan, it seems like it takes time to get the hang of it...

Will see
Yes, if this was a regular thing then it's definitely worth the time it takes to get used to and learn Catan.

If it's just a one time thing, probably get a different game.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 08, 2020, 04:17:55 PM
looking for a good adult game (5-6 couples)


Questions:
Do you want one game that fits all the players? (One copy of Catan does not play 10-12 people.*)
If not, do you want to get multiple copies of the same game so there's only one set of rules to teach?
How much money do you want to spend?
What's the most complicated game (you already know) that you'd be willing to teach people?


*Unless you get the 5-6 player extension and play in teams, but that's probably a bad idea.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Joeymc on July 08, 2020, 04:23:28 PM
Another great game is perpetual commotion.

Plays up to 6 players, very quick to learn and lots of fast motion fun.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on July 08, 2020, 08:21:29 PM
Take a look at Anomia. Great for big groups and easy to learn
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: ar on July 09, 2020, 12:49:21 AM

Questions:
Do you want one game that fits all the players? (One copy of Catan does not play 10-12 people.*)
If not, do you want to get multiple copies of the same game so there's only one set of rules to teach?
How much money do you want to spend?
What's the most complicated game (you already know) that you'd be willing to teach people?


*Unless you get the 5-6 player extension and play in teams, but that's probably a bad idea.

Want a game that 8-12 ppl can play at time.

Doesnt have to be a very complicated game.. but we've played Risk in the past... perpetual commotion is only for 4 ppl I believe

I'm thinking more of a party game... came across Malarky, looks really fun

Will check out Anomia too
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 09, 2020, 12:57:02 AM
Anomia (including the Party Edition) and Malarky are officially limited to 6
(significantly increasing those counts will make them virtually unplayable).

A number of the already-limited options for this player count can't be played on Shabbos.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Joeymc on July 09, 2020, 01:56:25 AM


perpetual commotion is only for 4 ppl I believe

IINM perpetual commotion can have up to 6 players, but it's been a while since I played.

There's another game I haven't played but have heard is very good called Secret Hitler. I think it can have up to 10 players.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 09, 2020, 02:06:11 AM
Perpetual Commotion is indeed for up to 6 (+2 with Black & White or Silver & Gold deck packs,
+4 with both, can be bought as one box). Gameplay consists of trying to put down all your cards
in real time in a fashion similar to solitaire. (If you're familiar with Dutch Blitz, it's very similar.)

Secret Hitler is heavily inspired by the superior (so I'm told) The Resistance.
It does have the advantage of being available as a free print-and-play as well as commercially
(especially with the amount of time remaining to lay hands on whatever product is decided on).
Note that it requires lying. (Also, it has the word Hitler in it, but you already knew that.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Joeymc on July 09, 2020, 02:11:05 AM


Perpetual Commotion is indeed for up to 6 (+2 with Black & White or Silver & Gold deck packs,
+4 with both, can be bought as one box). Gameplay consists of trying to put down all your cards
in real time in a fashion similar to solitaire. (If you're familiar with Dutch Blitz, it's very similar.)

So technically you can have 10 players?

Secret Hitler is heavily inspired by the superior (so I'm told) The Resistance.
It does have the advantage of being available as a free print-and-play as well as commercially
(especially with the amount of time remaining to lay hands on whatever product is decided on).
Note that it requires lying. (Also, it has the word Hitler in it, but you already knew that.)

You can download the game here https://www.secrethitler.com (https://www.secrethitler.com)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 09, 2020, 07:15:33 AM
Team-based communication games:
(Some of these can be found in Target or Barnes & Noble.)

Muse: Awakenings  - Give teammates clues about which illustration card they're
meant to guess, with clue cards dictating different kinds of clue-giving each time.

[Limited to 10 players] When I Dream - Players give a blindfolded player one-word clues about things drawn
from a deck. The player guesses when they choose to, trying to be right. Some players are trying to make the
player guess wrong, others right, and still others to have the amounts of right and wrong guesses be as equal
as possible. Those roles are redistributed in each round (each player will be the "dreamer" for one round).
(On Shabbos, you will need to time 2 minutes without a timer.)

Codenames / Codenames Pictures - One player on each of 2 teams knows which cards in a grid belong to each
team and they must communicate them to their teammates with one-word clues. In the original Codenames
the grid cards have words on them, while in Pictures they have images. The first team to guess all their cards
wins, but there's also an Assassin card which is an instant loss if guessed.
(I wouldn't recommend quite so high player counts, though.)

Codenames Duet - Designed as a 2-player version of Codenames but can also be played as 2 teams.
It's cooperative instead of competitive, with both sides giving clues to each other. (The high player count
caution is especially relevant here, as the discussion group for each size doesn't exclude one clue-giver.)

Word Slam / Word Slam Family - The clue-givers must communicate a word/phrase to their teammates
using any number of an array of 100 or so one-word clue cards. Both teams play at once using the same target
word (each clue-giver has their own set of clue cards), with the first team to guess correctly scoring a point.

Concept - Players try to communicate a word/phrase to their team by placing tokens on a board of concepts.
Simple example: "To get others to guess 'milk,' the team might place the question mark icon (which signifies
the main concept) on the liquid icon, then cubes of this color on the icons for 'food/drink' and 'white.' "
Here are some demo cluesets: https://print-and-play.asmodee.fun/files/concept/concept_pnp_en.pdf
The demo can also be played with other people Clue-style (guess wrong and you're disqualified).
(During an actual game, you can react to your team's discussion by moving tokens around.)
Note: This came out before Word Slam.

Wavelength [2019/20] - The active player must communicate a point on a spectrum to their teammates.
A spectrum card (e.g., Hard-to-Soft) is revealed and the clue-giver names something that they think is
at the point on that spectrum where the team's target is (so if the target was the Hard extreme, they
might say "Diamond"). Points are awarded according to how close the team's guess is to the target.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 09, 2020, 08:32:50 AM
More games:

Snake Oil / [Officially limited to 10] But Wait, There's More! - Party games about pitching
fictional products created by combining cards, with players voting on each other's pitches.
(Seems like a bad idea with so many people if you ask me.)

[Officially limited to 8] Word on the Street - A team-based tug-of-war word game in which
teams say words containing target letters to pull those letters closer to their side of a board.
(Again, perhaps too many people.)

[This could work well enough with pairs of players] Timeline - Players have a hand
of cards with events on them and a year on the back (that they can't see). On their turn,
they place a card into the line of cards on the table, flipping them to reveal the year.
If the card is not in the correct place in the timeline, it is discarded and the player must
draw a new card, the object of the game being to empty your hand. There are numerous sets of
Timeline, each focusing on a different kind of event, all of which can be combined with each other.
(The CardLine series is similar, though aiming for a slightly younger audience, with each card
having several aspects, Top Trumps-style, and one aspect being designated for each game.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on July 09, 2020, 09:41:25 AM
Doesnt have to be a very complicated game.. but we've played Risk in the past... perpetual commotion is only for 4 ppl I believe
Perpetual commotion has addon packs for more people
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 10, 2020, 08:15:50 AM
Another option is to google youth group activities.

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So you can have 10 players?

Yes.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 12, 2020, 12:15:52 AM
So what did you end up doing?

(We played Empyreal: Spells and Steam with 3 players. It took us about 2.6 hours.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: ar on July 12, 2020, 10:19:39 PM
Thanks for all your help

We played Anomia with 6 people and the rest watched and laughed.. Also played perpetual commotion

Both games were great
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Yo ssi on July 12, 2020, 11:31:54 PM
So what did you end up doing?

(We played Empyreal: Spells and Steam with 3 players. It took us about 2.6 hours.)
Is that game worth the $90?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 13, 2020, 06:54:42 AM
It's probably worth $63 (here) (https://www.gamenerdz.com/empyreal-spells-steam-preorder) or $65 (here) (https://www.miniaturemarket.com/l99emp01.html). (I backed their
Kickstarter 2 years ago, so my base-game price was $65.)
If you're actually considering buying the game:
The box is quite large, with a length and width like Ticket to Ride but about 3 times the depth.
Verify that you're okay with all the art in it first - here's the rulebook (https://www.dropbox.com/s/tr189jlcc400zt0/empyreal-spells-and-steam_rulebook-web.pdf).

Bonus rambling:
"Is product X worth money Y" is a subjective question, and I don't think
I'm a qualified judge of what either board games or money are worth.
There's almost always going to be a game of comparable quality available for
less; how significant is that when valuing items with unique characteristics?
I don't have enough experience with this game (that was my first time playing
it) and other games of its kind to comment on it from a critical perspective.
In terms of material quantity, there's a lot in the box. It has 697 components
to Catan's 287 (though 210 are pretty small chits) and some storage trays.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on July 26, 2020, 07:42:32 AM
High-level (or claiming to be) Catan channels on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUsKNYO4po7rXrKJ2K8v42g/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/Treeckosaurus/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDJstAeSqadgast_hHFSQPg/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ProDuckChins/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/topgunsam/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/InkFPS/videos
(Probably not high-level - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDrtxBS3DMhqobEksONH1XQ/videos )
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 06, 2020, 06:35:21 AM
https://www.vice.com/en/article/7kp8ve/catan-25-anniversary
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Pupashtetl on October 21, 2020, 08:22:34 PM
Could this game be played by only 2 people?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Pupashtetl on October 21, 2020, 08:51:00 PM
If not, what is the most recommended board game for 2?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on October 21, 2020, 08:54:21 PM
If not, what is the most recommended board game for 2?
That's a very subjective question!

There are modifications to play Catan with two players but the ones I've tried weren't too exciting, definitely not worth buying the game just for that. There's a Catan dice game which works nicely for 2 (or more) players and is also shorter to play (20-30 minutes with 2 players), worth trying IMO.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/Catan-Dice-Strategy-Game/51055679

If you want something longer and more complex, Rivals for Catan is also a two player game (and there are expansion packs if you want to make it even more complicated).
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: YitzyS on October 21, 2020, 08:58:19 PM
If not, what is the most recommended board game for 2?
What's the best song? It's subjective.

Among the classic two-player games are Chess, Checkers, Stratego, Othello, Battleship, and Mancala.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on October 21, 2020, 08:59:31 PM
Pandemic
Forbidden Island
Ticket to Ride
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 22, 2020, 10:04:42 AM
Among the classic two-player games are Chess, Checkers, Stratego, Othello, Battleship, and Mancala.

Among the classic non-two-player games are Monopoly, The Game of Life, Trouble, Uno...
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 22, 2020, 10:12:42 AM
Pandemic
Forbidden Island

Note that these games are cooperative - the players win or lose together.

Ticket to Ride

Ticket to Ride: Nordic Countries would most likely be better for 2 players.
There's also the Switzerland map, but it can't be played without owning TtR itself (or TtR: Europe or N.C.).
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 22, 2020, 10:15:18 AM
If not, what is the most recommended board game for 2?

How long and how complex a game do you want?

Would you prefer to compete, cooperate, or fight?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on October 22, 2020, 10:20:45 AM
Is Ticket to Ride: Nordic Countries more similar to the US or Europe version? Or totally different?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 22, 2020, 01:02:29 PM
The basic ideas of TtR never change (though Rails and Sails gets a little weird with it).
I don't own Nordic Countries. From what I can find on the Internet:
Player count is 2-3 with 40 trains per player (although 45 are usually included).
Tunnels and ferries (from Europe) are included. (You can use any 3 cards in place of a locomotive for ferries.)
The restriction on taking a revealed locomotive is gone, but locomotives can only be used for ferries, tunnels,
or the one 9-length route.
The 9-length route is claimed with X cards of a single color and (9-X)x4 other cards.
The end-game bonus is for most tickets completed.

(Also, the Tallinn-Tampere ticket should be 4 points, not 3.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on October 22, 2020, 01:04:57 PM
Whoa, thanks for doing the research!

So what makes it better for two players than the original game?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: yfr bachur on October 22, 2020, 01:30:15 PM
Nordic Countries was designed for 2-3 players, so the board is tighter.

We own most of the Ticket to Ride games.
I would recomend the Japan/Italy expansion for couples playing together.
Japan introduces a cooprotive element to the game.
For a more complex game, the UK map is highly recomended

I also recommend our house rule: If you win, you make supper!
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: etech0 on October 22, 2020, 01:31:04 PM
TY
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on October 22, 2020, 02:38:00 PM
To clarify, the Japan map is not a cooperative game; rather, certain routes count towards
all players' connections (and building the most of those is the end-game 10-point bonus).

(Or something like that.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: SrulyS on October 24, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
High-level (or claiming to be) Catan channels on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCUsKNYO4po7rXrKJ2K8v42g/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/Treeckosaurus/videos
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDJstAeSqadgast_hHFSQPg/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/ProDuckChins/videos
https://www.youtube.com/user/topgunsam/videos
https://www.youtube.com/c/InkFPS/videos
(Probably not high-level - https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDrtxBS3DMhqobEksONH1XQ/videos )

Just noticed this post recently.

DyLighted (the first link) is definitely the most well known Catan youtuber and he has some really good advice.

Treeckosaurus is also pretty good, he has videos on base game and on Cities and Knights. I've played against him in both, he is a great player.

The rest I don't know much about. (I just watched a video from the last one, pretty silly but he did have some good moves.)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: myi on October 24, 2020, 09:16:44 PM
Playing the seafarers version of caton..

   The 1st scenerio is Heading for new shores.
 The variable setup allows you to place the red production numbers randomly, but they should not be placed next to each other.

 While the "Fog Islands"..
 The Variable Set up allows for the terrain hexes and number tokens to be redistributed freely, but doesn't mention anything about the red numbers being together.
 
 While in the set up photos the red numbers are touching each other.

 Here's some pics..

 Heading for new shores. Shows to keep the red digits apart.
(https://i.postimg.cc/JhL6jS1R/IMG-20201024-203636599.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xX632xJZ)


Fog Islands..
(https://i.postimg.cc/MpR3MzJs/IMG-20201024-203625306.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJ93GKXf)

(https://i.postimg.cc/X7tDYpmG/IMG-20201024-203619148.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/9rtBxFWC)
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan and Ticket to Ride
Post by: yfr bachur on October 25, 2020, 02:46:54 PM
To clarify, the Japan map is not a cooperative game; rather, certain routes count towards
all players' connections (and building the most of those is the end-game 10-point bonus).

(Or something like that.)

certain routes count towards all players' connections.
If you don't contribute to the public network you lose 25 point.
In a two player game the greater contributor get +10, the lesser contributor -10, so it's an effective 20 point bonus.
Like in all TTR, you can win without getting the bonuses.
It was my wife's favorite until she figured out how to game the system in a two player game, at which point it (the board, not my wife  ;)) became stupid.

I would not buy the USA or Europe maps without at least planning on adding the 1910/1912 expansions.
The original cards in USA are half size cards, and 1910 replaces them with full size, and adds many more routes.

Based on the boards we have:
I would advise someone new to the game to start with the original USA to get used to the basic rules, and progress from there.
Europe adds ferries and tunnels. Nordic is similar. but are "base" games, with base prices (though all can be found on sale as cheap as $20)

Switerland/India basically dont add any new rules over Europe/Nordic though have original bonuses (India: connect the route in a circle. Switzerland: City to neighboring country)  and could be a good first expansion.

The other boards build on the rules introduced in USA/Europe/Nordic/Germany (I'll deal with Germany later)

Japan/Italy: Japan eyin leil. Italy has a unique ferry system, and I find it to be an interesting board - bonus for connecting regions. Longer board than the rest - you may not have room for it on the table! (especially in a Yechida!)
UK/Penn: UK is my personal favorite. It's sort of a history of trains game. At the start, you can only build 1 and 2 train length routes, and only in England. You can buy technologies that allow you to build longer routes, and into Ireland, Scotland, Wales, and France, to build ferries and get some bonuses...There's even a 40 point route. It's a more mature game. Penn turns scoring on its head. after you build most routes you earn stocks in various train companies. The more stock in a company you have at the end of the game...the more points. Highly recommended!!
France/Old West. France: Its a whole new game. You have to build the tracks before you can put trains on them. Old West: You start from a home city and can only build connections to it... it's our least favorite map to play as a couple. Its also a wider board than the rest...def wont fit on Yechida table.

Germany: base game (comes with the trains, and train deck) has separate decks for long and short routes. can be a lot of fun for two players, but if you have USA or Europe...you don't NEED it.
Poland: Smaller board expansion. unless you have a really small table in your dira, you dont really need it. I actually bought it because I wanted to learn the geography of Poland. like where Krakow in relation to Warsaw. ( yeah i'm a history/geography buff). Simple rules, like USA, no ferries or tunnels.
Rails and Sails: our newest board. so far a great game, but MUUUCH more complicated that the other boards. also quite a bit more expensive. I recommend it for when your really good at the other boards. also larger board, measure your table first.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan and Ticket to Ride
Post by: Randomex on October 25, 2020, 04:29:02 PM
France: You have to build the tracks before you can put trains on them.

The way this works is that many routes start out blank - they have no color and can't be claimed.
When you take cards, you also choose a colored strip to place along a route of the same length, to
be returned to the color-strip pool once the route is claimed (the supply of lengths/colors is limited).
Some of the blank tracks intersect with each other and are mutually exclusive; once a
color-strip has been placed on one of them, the other becomes unusable for that game.
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: myi on November 06, 2020, 12:03:42 PM
I recommend Cities and Knights but I would suggest reading the rules online (https://www.catan.com/service/game-rules) first to get a sense of the game.

You also should be able to try it for free in the Catan Universe app using a scroll to unlock it for a few (24?) hours. If you want, we can arrange a game, did you ever check to see if the friend request came through?
https://www.amazon.com/Catan-Studios-CN3075-Expansion-Explorers/dp/B00U26V6WS/?

 Shall I go for this or rather get City & knights?
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on November 07, 2020, 08:31:34 PM
News - A new scenario to be used with Cities & Knights has been released.
(There's also this: https://www.catan.com/news/2020-10-23/asmodee-entertainment-announce-catanr-footwear-plainview )

Rulebook (may have errors):
https://www.catan.com/files/downloads/catan_legend_of_the_conquerers_rule_book_200415.pdf
Price comparison:
https://boardgameprices.com/prices/catancitieknightscenariolegendconqueror
Official store:
https://catanshop.com/legend-of-the-conquerors-cities-knights-scenario
Title: Re: Settlers Of Catan
Post by: Randomex on November 22, 2020, 01:57:54 PM
Expansions on sale at Target and possibly Amazon.

This is on sale, too - https://www.miniaturemarket.com/cn2510.html
That's from 2010, which seems to have been a strange year for Catan:
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/196928/catan-scenarios-catanimals