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Title: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 12:19:36 AM
Surprised that neither the Chicago kidnapping and live streamed torture, nor the racist MBD video have started pc discussions.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 12:25:03 AM
Surprised that neither the Chicago kidnapping and live streamed torture, nor the racist MBD video have started pc discussions.
Links?  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 12:26:16 AM
Links?  :)
For the former, I'm sure you don't need. For the latter, you don't care.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Luvtotravel on January 05, 2017, 12:39:46 AM
For the former, I'm sure you don't need. For the latter, you don't care.
I do. where is it?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 01:27:02 AM
For the former, I'm sure you don't need. For the latter, you don't care.
Can't find it.
MBD?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:28:17 AM
Can't find it.
MBD?
Mordechai Ben David
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 01:30:07 AM
Mordechai Ben David
Would have never figured that one out. You could have said Cantor David Werdyger son.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:32:58 AM
Would have never figured that one out. You could have said Cantor David Werdyger son.  :)
Can't tell if there's sarcasm in that emoji. I was pretty sure it should get a hit on Google
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 01:33:50 AM
I was pretty sure it should get a hit on Google
:)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 05, 2017, 01:34:25 AM
...yet still no link...

@Yehuda57 This thread is called Link to popcorn threads, not Non-Link to popcorn threads. If you want you can start a new thread for non links...  ;D









3) Quote properly and provide links. Don't say, "Yo, check out Dan's post about RC. It's friggin awesome."
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:36:11 AM
...yet still no link...
That's up to @yehuda57
Surprised that neither the Chicago kidnapping and live streamed torture, nor the racist MBD video have started pc discussions.
IIRC even TimT couldn't find it. Has his post been deleted? Or am I hallucinating?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 01:36:34 AM
...yet still no link...
I have been looking for both.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 05, 2017, 01:39:43 AM
That's up to @yehuda57
See my edit.

IIRC even TimT couldn't find it. Has his post been deleted? Or am I hallucinating?
No, that was in the Help me find it thread.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12138.msg1640240#msg1640240 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=12138.msg1640240#msg1640240)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:40:49 AM
...yet still no link...

@Yehuda57 This thread is called Link to popcorn threads, not Non-Link to popcorn threads. If you want you can start a new thread for non links...  ;D
Great quoting over there!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:42:24 AM
See my edit.
No, that was in the Help me find it thread.
U sure? I think I'm tripping. Could've sworn TimT asked for a link
ETA: definitely not referring to that post in the help me find it thread
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 01:43:42 AM
Kind of funny reading some of those old threads. What ever happen to Aj?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 05, 2017, 01:48:01 AM
Kind of funny reading some of those old threads. What ever happen to Aj?
Just over a month since last active.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 01:50:33 AM
Just over a month since last active.
Over a year since last post.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 04:22:12 AM
I was going to ask which part of the article was false/misleading as a serious question but it would not be taken that way.
I would say all.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 05:32:57 AM
I would say all.
See you are not taking it serious.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 05:37:16 AM
See you are not taking it serious.
I am. That was a short answer. When I have patience later to type up more on this futile discussion, I will bring specifics.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 05:41:32 AM
I am. That was a short answer. When I have patience later to type up more on this futile discussion, I will bring specifics.
Are they basically prisoners in their own land?
Understand I am looking at it from their side which does not mean I am taking their side. The opposite is true but to truly understand something you must try and see it from the other side.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 06:06:29 AM
Are they basically prisoners in their own land?
Understand I am looking at it from their side which does not mean I am taking their side. The opposite is true but to truly understand something you must try and see it from the other side.
Ok, so we will do this from their side.
This is their land, unlawfully and brutally occupied by Israel. They are 100% entitled to any work and non threatening activity in their land.
But even according to all sane and knowledgeable humans the rest of Israel besides Areas A/B/C (Here we go with that again  :D )is not owned by the Palestinians. That being said Israel is entitled to border lines and checkpoints before entering UN recognized Israel the same way America is entitled to checkpoints and border crossings on its Mexico-US border. The author cries about walls and borders but unless you hold Israel is wholly owned by Palestinians there is nothing wrong with Israel protecting its borders. They should be thankful according to them that Israel even allows them in day after day to work. Go try that on another countries borders.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 06:30:57 AM
Ok, so we will do this from their side.
This is their land, unlawfully and brutally occupied by Israel. They are 100% entitled to any work and non threatening activity in their land.
But even according to all sane and knowledgeable humans the rest of Israel besides Areas A/B/C (Here we go with that again  :D )is not owned by the Palestinians. That being said Israel is entitled to border lines and checkpoints before entering UN recognized Israel the same way America is entitled to checkpoints and border crossings on its Mexico-US border. The author cries about walls and borders but unless you hold Israel is wholly owned by Palestinians there is nothing wrong with Israel protecting its borders. They should be thankful according to them that Israel even allows them in day after day to work. Go try that on another countries borders.
Can we do it with out the sarcasm?
Lets see if I have it right in the simplest form from the other side. Israel gave up land for peace. Instead there has nothing but terrorist attacks launched from Gaza. Am I at least close?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: David Smith on January 05, 2017, 06:35:05 AM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=48901.0
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 06:48:48 AM
Can we do it with out the sarcasm?
Lets see if I have it right in the simplest form from the other side. Israel gave up land for peace. Instead there has nothing but terrorist attacks launched from Gaza. Am I at least close?
I wasn't trying to be sarcastic at all.
Also I wasnt referring to Gaza but yes that is correct in reference to that.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 06:57:18 AM
You don't believe the part you wrote " brutally occupied by Israel" do you, so I took it as sarcasm.

ETA: I think I am confused. Is the article talking about Gaza, West Bank or both.
ETA: OK he is talking about the West Bank. I thought A/B/C was in Gaza.  :-[
I am done with this one but did learn something.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 07:16:30 AM
U sure? I think I'm tripping. Could've sworn TimT asked for a link
ETA: definitely not referring to that post in the help me find it thread
Search his name on Twitter
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 07:17:59 AM
Good morning folks, anything happen while I was gone?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 07:24:25 AM
You don't believe the part you wrote " brutally occupied by Israel" do you, so I took it as sarcasm.


I am done with this one but did learn something.  :)
I was writing from their point of view. Also if it is an occupation and like they claim then I believe it is brutal.

Quote
ETA: I think I am confused. Is the article talking about Gaza, West Bank or both.
ETA: OK he is talking about the West Bank. I thought A/B/C was in Gaza.  :-[
LOL. Almost no western tourist can make it in and out of Gaza alive.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 07:32:16 AM
...yet still no link...

@Yehuda57 This thread is called Link to popcorn threads, not Non-Link to popcorn threads. If you want you can start a new thread for non links...  ;D
Nice digging. But being that this thread is more like a "worst of" ddf, perhaps the opposite should apply?

This is a link to pop corn *threads*, not links to sites. I was just surprised no threads had been discussing it.

The torture video is on every news site, and the Mordechai ben David racist slur is on many Jewish news sites - easily found on Google and Twitter
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 07:41:41 AM
LOL. Almost no western tourist can make it in and out of Gaza alive.
I was told that about Kingston JA in the 70's.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: MeirS on January 05, 2017, 09:00:19 AM
Can we get some guys to chip in for a trip for JTZ to Israel?
50 people putting down $25 should get us a good chunk of the way there.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 09:01:49 AM
Can we get some guys to chip in for a trip for JTZ to Israel?
50 people putting down $25 should get us a good chunk of the way there.
I'll pay for it all if he tours Gaza.
But he has no interest in visiting. The hafganas turn him away.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 09:30:32 AM
Can we get some guys to chip in for a trip for JTZ to Israel?
50 people putting down $25 should get us a good chunk of the way there.
No need for a collection. I will visit at some point. That you can take to the bank!!!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: jj1000 on January 05, 2017, 09:44:23 AM
No need for a collection. I will visit at some point. That you can take to the bank!!!
For those that voted "I plan on getting one eventually" you should have voted no.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 09:48:28 AM

Betting window is now open. Step right up.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: jj1000 on January 05, 2017, 09:50:15 AM
Betting window is now open. Step right up.  :)
I'll need to know real age to take this one :P
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 09:52:57 AM
I'm going with 39
#JackBenny
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 10:02:59 AM
I'll need to know real age to take this one :P
If you have Dyslexia then you have your answer.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 10:33:20 AM
Kushi is a racist word, to the extent of being compared to the N word? I understand its as if he said "black", but honestly what is the big deal?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: aygart on January 05, 2017, 10:45:31 AM
I forgot about the Wiki. Who is the mashgiach on the popcorn now the CM hasn't been around here lately?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 10:47:57 AM
I forgot about the Wiki. Who is the mashgiach on the popcorn now the CM hasn't been around here lately?
That leaves me out.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2017, 10:48:23 AM
Kushi is a racist word, to the extent of being compared to the N word? I understand its as if he said "black", but honestly what is the big deal?
It's racist, but not as bad as N of course.
Link to video?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: David Smith on January 05, 2017, 10:48:28 AM
I forgot about the Wiki. Who is the mashgiach on the popcorn now the CM hasn't been around here lately?
CM been around.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 10:48:58 AM
It's racist, but not as bad as N of course.
Link to video?
Didn't see the video. Just saw the jta article which is all over twitter
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 10:49:54 AM
Didn't see the video. Just saw the jta article which is all over twitter
Start a thread for this. Tomorrow is Friday.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2017, 10:51:15 AM
Found it 0:17-0:27
Translation: "Do you know when there will be peace? In a few weeks, when there will be a new President in the United States and the kushi goes home”



Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 10:54:01 AM
It could mean "black" as well as "negro"
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 10:55:32 AM
Found it 0:17-0:27
Translation: "Do you know when there will be peace? In a few weeks, when there will be a new President in the United States and the kushi goes home”
Racist but was that his intent? I was going to say "you all" would know better than me but I won't.  :P
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 10:56:31 AM
It could mean "black" as well as "negro"
That's still racist unless he doesn't know who the person is.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Emkay on January 05, 2017, 10:58:44 AM
Start a thread for this. Tomorrow is Friday.  :)
It's Friday somewhere.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: aygart on January 05, 2017, 11:00:07 AM
That's still racist unless he doesn't know who the person is.
+1. It is not because the word is a slur but because he is referring to him by his race in a context where race is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:02:07 AM
It is not because the word is a slur but because he is referring to him by his race in a context where race is irrelevant.
WOW!!!
Is this copyrighted? I can see me quoting this often.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:06:07 AM
WOW!!!
Is this copyrighted? I can see me quoting this often.  :)
I do see u quoting this often. Lol
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: aygart on January 05, 2017, 11:06:11 AM
WOW!!!
Is this copyrighted? I can see me quoting this often.  :)
I gave you a revocable license.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:11:08 AM
Racist but was that his intent? I was going to say "you all" would know better than me but I won't.  :P
This gets worse. The crowd is cheering.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 11:13:08 AM
This gets worse. The crowd is cheering.
Will the prez take revenge ? Oh wait, he already did :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:14:35 AM
Will the prez take revenge ? Oh wait, he already did :)
You the Prez and Prez elect mixed up.  ;)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2017, 11:15:31 AM
This gets worse. The crowd is cheering.
They're cheering the message, not the words.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
Surprised that neither the Chicago kidnapping and live streamed torture,
Found it. That is sick.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 11:17:28 AM
Are they calling that racist or just "youth" playing "games" ?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:17:58 AM
They're cheering the message, not the words.
That kills the popcorn but how do we know?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 11:18:18 AM
This gets worse. The crowd is cheering.

The crowd cheers before he says "Kushi" - they cheer Trump, and then he slips in the racism once they are already making a huge amount of noise. Most probably didn't even hear him say it.

For context, in the world of Jewish music, MBD is as big a name as there is. This incident only shows me he is as much an idiot as he he is talented.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:18:53 AM
Are they calling that racist or just "youth" playing "games" ?
I call it low life POS!!!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 11:19:52 AM
I call it low life POS!!!
But not racism ?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2017, 11:20:40 AM
The crowd cheers before he says "Kushi" - they cheer Trump, and then he slips in the racism once they are already making a huge amount of noise. Most probably didn't even hear him say it.

For context, in the world of Jewish music, MBD is as big a name as there is. This incident only shows me he is as much an idiot as he he is talented.
Correct, the heavy cheering starts when he says there will be peace when there is a new US President in a few weeks, before the slur.
No popcorn here.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:20:59 AM
But not racism ?
It is a hate crime!!!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 11:21:19 AM
I call it low life POS!!!

And you would be right. And the fact that the "politically motivated hate crime" is being replaced by "stupid kids" by both media and the police is more than telling.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:21:45 AM
No popcorn here.
+1  :(
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: aygart on January 05, 2017, 11:23:54 AM
You the Prez and Prez elect mixed up.  ;)
No, you do.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 11:24:21 AM
Correct, the heavy cheering starts when he says there will be peace when there is a new US President in a few weeks, before the slur.
No popcorn here.

The popcorn is that MBD is the racist - not the crowd. I didn't check, but I'm sure the Forward will have an article saying how the crowd cheered his racism, and that all frum Jews are no-so-closeted racists, etc.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:26:13 AM
No, you do.
You go from one extreme to the other. Brilliant to ...
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2017, 11:26:24 AM
The popcorn is that MBD is the racist - not the crowd.
I know. JTZ had asked if the cheering was also popcorn.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 11:27:40 AM
The popcorn is that MBD is the racist - not the crowd. I didn't check, but I'm sure the Forward will have an article saying how the crowd cheered his racism, and that all frum Jews are no-so-closeted racists, etc.
VIN did it already
http://www.vosizneias.com/258668/2017/01/05/new-york-un-diplomat-reacts-to-remarks-by-chasidic-singer-mordechai-ben-david/

"Werdyger's comments were greeted by thunderous applause from the crowd"
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: aygart on January 05, 2017, 11:30:08 AM
VIN did it already
http://www.vosizneias.com/258668/2017/01/05/new-york-un-diplomat-reacts-to-remarks-by-chasidic-singer-mordechai-ben-david/

"Werdyger's comments were greeted by thunderous applause from the crowd"
That is a kal vachomer from the Forward.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:31:31 AM
VIN did it already
http://www.vosizneias.com/258668/2017/01/05/new-york-un-diplomat-reacts-to-remarks-by-chasidic-singer-mordechai-ben-david/

"Werdyger's comments were greeted by thunderous applause from the crowd"
Sorry but you know me. No answer is an answer.  :)
"VIN News reached out to Werdyger who declined to comment on his statement."
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:31:42 AM
It went from being popcorn and getting worse,
This gets worse. The crowd is cheering.

They're cheering the message, not the words.

That kills the popcorn but how do we know?
But now its not even popcorn?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 11:32:42 AM
You never reheat popcorn. Period
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:34:09 AM
You never reheat popcorn. Period
It never got cold. Unless ur saying that everyone left the plain popcorn for the butter popcorn, then realized it was fake, and now the plain popcorn lost its appeal?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: mmgfarb on January 05, 2017, 11:35:49 AM
It never got cold. Unless ur saying that everyone left the plain popcorn for the butter popcorn, then realized it was fake, and now the plain popcorn lost its appeal?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:36:29 AM
It never got cold. Unless ur saying that everyone left the plain popcorn for the butter popcorn, then realized it was fake, and now the plain popcorn lost its appeal?
Someone has to disagree to it being a slur first. The crowd is even a stretch for me.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:38:51 AM
Someone has to disagree to it being a slur first. The crowd is even a stretch for me.  :)
Hey I gave it my best shot
Kushi is a racist word, to the extent of being compared to the N word? I understand its as if he said "black", but honestly what is the big deal?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: as2 on January 05, 2017, 11:39:48 AM
How can you guys sit here and argue about a guy who's clearly a good for nothing racist? What is he worth if he can't even respect the people in power?! Shame.
#makingpopcorn
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:40:57 AM
Hey I gave it my best shot
Thank you.  :)
It is not because the word is a slur but because he is referring to him by his race in a context where race is irrelevant.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:42:24 AM
Everyone please read the title of this thread.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: jj1000 on January 05, 2017, 11:43:10 AM
How can you guys sit here and argue about a guy who's clearly a good for nothing racist? What is he worth if he can't even respect the people in power?! Shame.
So you are upset that someone summed up a race with one word, and you want us to sum up that person with a 2 second sound bite. Got it.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:43:22 AM
Everyone please read the title of this thread.
Only relevant if there is a thread, but since OP (yehuda57) decided not to start one, this is where the popcorn shall attempt to pop :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:43:55 AM
So you are upset that someone summed up a race with one word, and you want us to sum up that person with a 2 second sound bite. Got it.
Great line!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: as2 on January 05, 2017, 11:44:45 AM
So you are upset that someone summed up a race with one word, and you want us to sum up that person with a 2 second sound bite. Got it.
I updated my post seconds before this popped up
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:48:09 AM
Mods need to take some action. One of the most useful threads on DDF is getting trashed.   >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: as2 on January 05, 2017, 11:48:50 AM
Mods need to take some action. One of the most useful threads on DDF is getting trashed.   >:( >:( >:(
Sorry
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:49:46 AM
Sorry
No problem as I am going to fix this.  :)
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:50:13 AM

Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: as2 on January 05, 2017, 11:51:12 AM
No problem as I am going to fix this.  :)
well done! There will be more than enough popcorn for everyone
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 11:57:21 AM
I see a lot of potential for this thread. Let's not clutter it with MBD. Lol
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 11:59:07 AM
I see a lot of potential for this thread. Let's not clutter it with MBD. Lol
This thread is only about him. No need to bring Trump into this.  :P
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 12:05:25 PM
Who are we kidding? Kushi is as racist as it gets. Perhaps not loaded with the historically charged racism as the N word or the K word in South Africa, but it is a racist slur.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Dan on January 05, 2017, 12:06:38 PM
Who are we kidding? Kushi is as racist as it gets. Perhaps not loaded with the historically charged racism as the N word or the K word in South Africa, but it is a racist slur.
Is anyone arguing against that?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 12:08:02 PM
Who are we kidding? Kushi is as racist as it gets. Perhaps not loaded with the historically charged racism as the N word or the K word in South Africa, but it is a racist slur.
isn't that only when referring to Ethiopians? I don't have all the nuances of Israeli slang down pat, so CMIIW please
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 12:08:34 PM
Is anyone arguing against that?

The VIN piece, Shulem, and other comments could be understood to say that
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: jj1000 on January 05, 2017, 12:10:11 PM
Mods need to take some action. One of the most useful threads on DDF is getting trashed.   >:( >:( >:(
Ya, someone was making new threads when we have a perfectly good one on that topic already.

No worries I merged them.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 12:12:05 PM
Ya, someone was making new threads when we have a perfectly good one on that topic already.

No worries I merged them.
Lol!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 12:16:00 PM
isn't that only when referring to Ethiopians? I don't have all the nuances of Israeli slang down pat, so CMIIW please

I'm no Israeli, (neither is MBD) - I am a South African living in the USA for a while. It refers to all black people, Jews and non-Jews alike. You don't need to be an Ivrit or linguistic expert to know that when 100% of the times you've heard a specific word it has been pejorative, the word is a racist slur.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: grodnoking on January 05, 2017, 12:16:39 PM
Didn't see the video. Just saw the jta article which is all over twitter
And of coarse the forward says "Ben David was performing a song about peace at the Dec. 29 concert when he told the audience: “ Do you know when there will be peace? In a few weeks, when there will be a new president in the United States and the kushi goes home.”

The audience burst into applause."

If you listen the crowd was cheering before he added in "and the kushi goes home"
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 12:21:51 PM
And of coarse the forward says "Ben David was performing a song about peace at the Dec. 29 concert when he told the audience: “ Do you know when there will be peace? In a few weeks, when there will be a new president in the United States and the kushi goes home.”

The audience burst into applause."

If you listen the crowd was cheering before he added in "and the kushi goes home"
Already been discussed. Just out of curiosity how coarse was it? Lol

The popcorn is that MBD is the racist - not the crowd.


I know. JTZ had asked if the cheering was also popcorn.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 05, 2017, 01:01:25 PM
The crowd cheers before he says "Kushi" - they cheer Trump, and then he slips in the racism once they are already making a huge amount of noise. Most probably didn't even hear him say it.

For context, in the world of Jewish music, MBD is as big a name as there is. This incident only shows me he is as much an idiot as he he is talented.
Nobody's disagreeing with you that the word he used was racist, and that made the whole statement racist (especially since he could've said the whole statement without using that word). Does he deserve to be called an idiot for that? IMHO by labeling him an idiot - something which has nothing to do with the current discussion - you're detracting a lot from statement, and it says a lot about you.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 01:06:26 PM
Nobody's disagreeing with you that the word he used was racist, and that made the whole statement racist (especially since he could've said the whole statement without using that word). Does he deserve to be called an idiot for that? IMHO by labeling him an idiot - something which has nothing to do with the current discussion - you're detracting a lot from statement, and it says a lot about you.

Putting aside what the statement says about him as a person, as a public performer, it is idiotic to say racist things, especially in front of thousands of people. It's bad for business, it caused a chilul Hashem, etc. What he did was so idiotic, it measures up to just how incredible a talent I think he is. I think the one person who would agree with me on him being an idiot is MBD.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 05, 2017, 01:09:46 PM
Putting aside what the statement says about him as a person, as a public performer, it is idiotic to say racist things, especially in front of thousands of people. It's bad for business, it caused a chilul Hashem, etc. What he did was so idiotic, it measures up to just how incredible a talent I think he is. I think the one person who would agree with me on him being an idiot is MBD.
Was the statement idiotic? Absolutely! Does he think he's an idiot for saying it? Most probably. Did he think three times before he shouted (you should get that reference :) )? Highly doubt it. That still doesn't give you the right to label him an idiot, certainly not as big an idiot as he's talented!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 01:13:09 PM
Was the statement idiotic? Absolutely! Does he think he's an idiot for saying it? Most probably. Did he think three times before he shouted (you should get that reference :) )? Highly doubt it. That still doesn't give you the right to label him an idiot, certainly not as big an idiot as he's talented!

Meh. Idiot is as idiot does.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 05, 2017, 01:15:29 PM
Meh. Idiot is as idiot does.
Well I sure hope people judge you more favorably (and based on a lifetime's worth of action, not a 2 second slip-up) than you judge others.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 01:21:40 PM
Well I sure hope people judge you more favorably (and based on a lifetime's worth of action, not a 2 second slip-up) than you judge others.

Please. My judgement of him as an idiot is as a racist. I will still enjoy his music, and it doesn't detract from any good he has done. If he had a lifetime of support for black people, sure, one comment wouldn't ruin that.

Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: as2 on January 05, 2017, 01:23:56 PM
What happens when the thread for links to popcorn threads becomes a popcorn thread itself?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 05, 2017, 01:29:57 PM
Please. My judgement of him as an idiot is as a racist. I will still enjoy his music, and it doesn't detract from any good he has done. If he had a lifetime of support for black people, sure, one comment wouldn't ruin that.
I disagree with the name calling part, I could argue it, but I have better stuff to do now. It's sad that we're in a reality where somebody can be called a name for calling somebody else a name and only one of them will be in the wrong. They're both equally wrong IMHO
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: cholent on January 05, 2017, 01:32:05 PM
I disagree with the name calling part, I could argue it, but I have better stuff to do now. It's sad that we're in a reality where somebody can be called a name for calling somebody else a name and only one of them will be in the wrong. They're both equally wrong IMHO

I think Yehuda57 is going a little far on this one, but I definitely don't agree with you. Calling a name based on a person's actions is not the same as calling names based on race.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 05, 2017, 01:36:08 PM
I think Yehuda57 is going a little far on this one, but I definitely don't agree with you. Calling a name based on a person's actions is not the same as calling names based on race.
You're right
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: etech0 on January 05, 2017, 01:39:04 PM
What happens when the thread for links to popcorn threads becomes a popcorn thread itself?
https://www.google.com/#q=recursion
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 01:39:44 PM
I disagree with the name calling part, I could argue it, but I have better stuff to do now. It's sad that we're in a reality where somebody can be called a name for calling somebody else a name and only one of them will be in the wrong. They're both equally wrong IMHO

Me calling him an idiot for screaming racism in front of thousands is the same as him being an actual racist?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:41:08 PM
how do I post a youtube video without embedding?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: username on January 05, 2017, 01:42:21 PM
how do I post a youtube video without embedding?
remove the http prefix.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMZNgzFXY-k
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: shulem92 on January 05, 2017, 01:42:38 PM
Surprised that neither the Chicago kidnapping and live streamed torture, nor the racist MBD video have started pc discussions.
are we really arguing if MBD is a racist when this video was suggested as alternate popcorn?

WARNING!! every other word is ******
but this is the Chicago torture video...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DvpC4xxh2g
mods delete if inappropiate
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 05, 2017, 01:45:45 PM
Me calling him an idiot for screaming racism in front of thousands is the same as him being an actual racist?
You're right
Although, I still think that you have no business calling him (or anybody for that matter) and idiot, just as much as he has no business calling the president what he did. You can call him a racist all you want, but you can't call him an idiot for that
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 01:49:08 PM
Although, I still think that you have no business calling him (or anybody for that matter) and idiot, just as much as he has no business calling the president what he did. You can call him a racist all you want, but you can't call him an idiot for that

Ok, we just disagree on the definition of idiot. I think racism is a form of idiocy.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: zh cohen on January 05, 2017, 03:31:53 PM
You don't need to be an Ivrit or linguistic expert to know that when 100% of the times you've heard a specific word it has been pejorative, the word is a racist slur.

In my experience, Kushi is used the same way "black" is used in the US (namely, it can be racist based on the context and tone of voice, but is not always).

Having said that, here it clearly was used in a racist way.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 03:44:40 PM
Should I start a thread for "Name that idiot"?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: good sam on January 05, 2017, 03:56:33 PM
Wait, I'm confused, is this the thread for discussing the Chicago incident?

Anywho, what's more sickening than the incident is the coverage. I heard it reported on 880 this morning as follows:

A group of Chicago teenagers attacked a mentally disabled boy. Police say the attack had racial undertones and the attackers mentioned Donald Trump. End of segment.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 03:59:28 PM
For context, in the world of Jewish music, MBD is as big a name as there is. This incident only shows me he is as much an idiot as he he is talented.

As the old saying goes חזנים זיינען נאראנים
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 04:01:37 PM
Ok, we just disagree on the definition of idiot. I think racism is a form of idiocy.
Reminds me of a close relative of mine who grew up in South Africa, and doesn't consider herself to be one bit racist (on the contrary). Yet one time when I was shopping with her (at Macy's IIRC) she points to an employee and says to me "ask that African where the restrooms are".

For the record, I agree with you 100% that racism is idiocy.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 04:04:34 PM
Wait, I'm confused, is this the thread for discussing the Chicago incident?

Anywho, what's more sickening than the incident is the coverage. I heard it reported on 880 this morning as follows:

A group of Chicago teenagers attacked a mentally disabled boy. Police say the attack had racial undertones and the attackers mentioned Donald Trump. End of segment.
You still let your blood boil every time the MDM (Mentally Disabled Media) twists something ?
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 04:09:31 PM
Reminds me of a close relative of mine who grew up in South Africa, and doesn't consider herself to be one bit racist (on the contrary). Yet one time when I was shopping with her (at Macy's IIRC) she points to an employee and says to me "ask that African where the restrooms are".

For the record, I agree with you 100% that racism is idiocy.

I grew up in South Africa, too. She sounds like she is an older generation than me - African would have been a perfectly acceptable term for a black person.

Anyway, you have an undoubtedly meat loving close relative  - close enough that you even shop with her in Macys (!) - yet you still go for parev cholent? Geez.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 04:10:36 PM
Anyway, you have an undoubtedly meat loving close relative  - close enough that you even shop with her in Macys (!) - yet you still go for parev cholent? Geez.
Where do you get that idea from? She only eats meat when she visits me!

ETA: and she absolutely loves my DW's pareve cholent, so much so that she asks for it mid-week too!
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 04:11:57 PM
Where do you get that idea from? She only eats meat when she visits me!

Grew up in South Africa and not meat loving? Stirah minei ubei
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 04:17:09 PM
Grew up in South Africa and not meat loving? Stirah minei ubei
If you would say Argentina, you would be right. But as you said, we're talking about an older generation, and probably been out of SA for longer than she lived there.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 04:23:08 PM
If you would say Argentina, you would be right. But as you said, we're talking about an older generation, and probably been out of SA for longer than she lived there.

Oh man, I'm feeling old. I just realized the same will be said for me in a year.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 04:29:48 PM
Oh man, I'm feeling old. I just realized the same will be said for me in a year.
Nah. She's closer to 2x out of SA than time in SA (or RSA as it was known when I was younger).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Flag_of_South_Africa_(1928-1994).svg/1280px-Flag_of_South_Africa_(1928-1994).svg.png)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 04:52:17 PM
Nah. She's closer to 2x out of SA than time in SA (or RSA as it was known when I was younger).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/2a/Flag_of_South_Africa_(1928-1994).svg/1280px-Flag_of_South_Africa_(1928-1994).svg.png)
That's a racist symbol
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 05:00:03 PM
http://ntknetwork.com/white-house-too-early-to-tell-if-chicago-beating-was-a-hate-crime/
After shooting the mouth off for 8 years all of a sudden they're being cautious. ::)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 05:05:09 PM
That's a racist symbol
Is it? How so? Just because it was the flag before apartheid was abolished?

I agree 100% that apartheid is wrong and racist. But does that flag symbolize it?

If I have friends who emigrated from a country I fondly knew as Rhodesia rather than Zimbabwe, is that racist? Is Robert Mugabe racist? How about Ian Smith?

And if something or someone is racist, should we just label them that way and avoid all intellectual discussion? Recent news has it that Mein Kampf has become a best seller in Germany. I have contemplated reading it, as I think there is much to be gained by understanding what your enemy is saying, but I have refrained as I'm unsure it's a right thing to do. Is reading it any worse or different that reading or watching the Wannseekonferenz?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: hvaces42 on January 05, 2017, 05:05:27 PM
That's a racist symbol
Just wondering if nostalgia about having slaves in SA makes one racist...or idiots as you would call them.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: CS1 on January 05, 2017, 05:07:40 PM
Reminds me of a close relative of mine who grew up in South Africa, and doesn't consider herself to be one bit racist (on the contrary). Yet one time when I was shopping with her (at Macy's IIRC) she points to an employee and says to me "ask that African where the restrooms are".

For the record, I agree with you 100% that racism is idiocy.

in her mind, it was like asking "the blonde lady over there" where the item is...  a basic, objective description. They use it in "Missing persons alerts", too.
Title: Re: Re: Link to popcorn threads.
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 05:09:00 PM
in her mind, it was like asking "the blonde lady over there" where the item is...  a basic, objective description. They use it in "Missing persons alerts", too.
You're hypothesizing, I actually heard it!

ETA: it's probably as objective as the term blonde is  ;)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dawie on January 05, 2017, 05:14:23 PM
That's a racist symbol
only if you refer to the other as the K%^*% flag lfi aniyas dayti

oh the flag went up do we now sing Die Stem ?  :P
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: username on January 05, 2017, 05:16:22 PM
http://ntknetwork.com/white-house-too-early-to-tell-if-chicago-beating-was-a-hate-crime/
After shooting the mouth off for 8 years all of a sudden they're being cautious. ::)
while shouting “[Profanity] Donald Trump! [Profanity] white people!”

I didnt see the video. Is this true?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 05:19:01 PM
Is it? How so? Just because it was the flag before apartheid was abolished?

I agree 100% that apartheid is wrong and racist. But does that flag symbolize it?

If I have friends who emigrated from a country I fondly knew as Rhodesia rather than Zimbabwe, is that racist? Is Robert Mugabe racist? How about Ian Smith?

And if something or someone is racist, should we just label them that way and avoid all intellectual discussion? Recent news has it that Mein Kampf has become a best seller in Germany. I have contemplated reading it, as I think there is much to be gained by understanding what your enemy is saying, but I have refrained as I'm unsure it's a right thing to do. Is reading it any worse or different that reading or watching the Wannseekonferenz?

Does that flag symbolize it? Yes. Because racists use it as such. So even if it wasn't a racist symbol per se, but to you was a symbol of nostalgia or whatnot, it has become one.
Is Robert Mugabe racist? Yes

I do not know about Rhodizia vs Zimbabwe - I cannot speak for the cultural implications.

Just wondering if nostalgia about having slaves in SA makes one racist...or idiots as you would call them.

Slaves was America, not South Africa. But yes, if you're nostalgic for Apartheid days specifically (not experiences you happen to have had during Apartheid) you are racist and an idiot. I hope that's not controversial.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 05:21:10 PM
while shouting “[Profanity] Donald Trump! [Profanity] white people!”

I didnt see the video. Is this true?
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 05:22:53 PM
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.
Yes it was hate filled but I have seen a lot worse.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: CS1 on January 05, 2017, 05:23:15 PM
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.

the painful torture component of strangulation and ripping out hair/scalp from a mentally challenged human being whose mouth is sealed shut while kidnapped and shoved in to a corner adds to the raw agony.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 05, 2017, 05:25:45 PM
Yes it was hate filled but I have seen a lot worse.
I was addressing him. Every time you watch the president-elect you see worse :P
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 05:27:11 PM
It was as hate-filled as you'll ever see.

But it is not racism. Racism can only be "hate + privilege."*

*This is a real thing. I didn't make it up, promise.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 05, 2017, 05:28:33 PM
Every time you watch the president-elect you see worse :P
Nothing he has done comes close. Hopefully in 4 years I can say the same thing.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dawie on January 05, 2017, 05:29:18 PM
a. But yes, if you're nostalgic for Apartheid days specifically (not experiences you happen to have had during Apartheid) you are racist and an idiot. I hope that's not controversial.
depends what party of it
Would i rather have white rule then the Kleptocracy that is going on now? In SA they've just replaced Apartheid with their own version of Apartheid. Black Empowerment. The whole BEE is one big Apartheid
Was Apartheid moral in any way shape or form? of course not...
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 05:33:40 PM
only if you refer to the other as the K%^*% flag lfi aniyas dayti

oh the flag went up do we now sing Die Stem ?  :P

Want to know if something is racist? Look to see how or when it is used. When is that flag ever flown? At rugby games by people who are very clearly pushing a racist agenda and other overtly racist events. Ergo > flag is racist. Also, think about that flag means to any (south African) black person. Want someone to feel as sick as this flag makes them feel? that's racist. 

And you can only sing the part of Die Stem that is in the new anthem. ;-)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 05:52:44 PM
Want to know if something is racist? Look to see how or when it is used. When is that flag ever flown? At rugby games by people who are very clearly pushing a racist agenda and other overtly racist events. Ergo > flag is racist. Also, think about that flag means to any (south African) black person. Want someone to feel as sick as this flag makes them feel? that's racist. 


You mean in SA after 1994.

I've never been to SA myself (despite having some family there), and when I grew up, that was the SA flag I knew, and as a kid I actually thought it was nice and colorful (or colourful as I would have spelled it back then). When I posted it here, my only intention was to indicate which era my SA relative came from. No racist intentions. And despite that relative probably thinking that I am biased and racist, I can say with certainty that I am way more open minded and accepting of diversity than she is.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 05:54:10 PM
depends what party of it
Would i rather have white rule then the Kleptocracy that is going on now? In SA they've just replaced Apartheid with their own version of Apartheid. Black Empowerment. The whole BEE is one big Apartheid
Was Apartheid moral in any way shape or form? of course not...
As I said nostalgic for experiences that were during apartheid? Obviously not racist. Nostalgic for apartheid itself? Racist.

Acknowledging the horrors of apartheid does not mean any approval of the current government whatsoever. It's not a one or the other deal.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 05:55:27 PM
You mean in SA after 1994.

I've never been to SA myself (despite having some family there), and when I grew up, that was the SA flag I knew, and as a kid I actually thought it was nice and colorful (or colourful as I would have spelled it back then). When I posted it here, my only intention was to indicate which era my SA relative came from. No racist intentions. And despite that relative probably thinking that I am biased and racist, I can say with certainty that I am way more open minded and accepting of diversity than she is.
Ftr, I didn't think you were posting it as a racist symbol. I was informing you of what it has become.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 05:56:13 PM
And you should go! It's beautiful
ETA
(https://c3.staticflickr.com/6/5485/31319088282_3901433eee_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/PHyvNJ)DSCI0104 (https://flic.kr/p/PHyvNJ) by Dawie Van De Merwe (https://www.flickr.com/photos/136487121@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 05:56:55 PM
As I said nostalgic for experiences that were during apartheid? Obviously not racist. Nostalgic for apartheid itself? Racist.

Acknowledging the horrors of apartheid does not mean any approval of the current government whatsoever. It's not a one or the other deal.
You, as an intelligent, thinking person, can say that. But unfortunately, the masses tend to see things as black and white (no pun intended), and hate mongers thrive upon that shortcoming of the masses.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 06:10:10 PM
And you should go! It's beautiful
I've been wanting to go for decades. Now that I have a large family, it is unlikely to happen unless there's a Chasuna of a close relative on DW's side, or after all my kids are grown (which could be a couple of decades from now, probably after the התגלות).
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dawie on January 05, 2017, 06:12:05 PM
Ftr, I didn't think you were posting it as a racist symbol. I was informing you of what it has become.
yeah Dylan Roof was running around with it
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 06:14:57 PM
yeah Dylan Roof was running around with it
So when an imbecile nincompoop does something, it creates a meaning?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: cholent on January 05, 2017, 07:23:14 PM
So when an imbecile nincompoop does something, it creates a meaning?
It can. As I would say to those who were using the swastika as a peaceful symbol for centuries before Hitler ymsh adopted it
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 05, 2017, 07:37:56 PM
https://youtu.be/7rdWMPVlvJ0
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 07:48:08 PM
It can. As I would say to those who were using the swastika as a peaceful symbol for centuries before Hitler ymsh adopted it
There's a difference between one idiot doing it and an entire movement/country.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: coralsnake on January 05, 2017, 08:40:27 PM
Thread recap?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 08:42:25 PM
Thread recap?
You want to be spoonfed?

Read through it and write a Wiki.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: coralsnake on January 05, 2017, 08:46:48 PM
You want to be spoonfed?
FTFY and Yes.

Quote
Read through it and write a Wiki.
I cannot write a wiki. Long story. Before your time.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 05, 2017, 08:56:31 PM
Thread recap?
Nothing at all. Haven't had such dull popcorn in quite some time.  ::) Frankly, I don't know how I just found myself in this thread. When I saw it in my unread replies I realized it was merged, but should be ignored.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 09:12:01 PM
FTFY and Yes.
I cannot write a wiki. Long story. Before your time.
Wow. You're the first person who makes me feel young here 😉
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 09:16:00 PM
Wiki added.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
Wiki added.
Job well done. ROFL.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 05, 2017, 09:40:58 PM
I don't think someone making a stupid comment, even a racist one, automatically means we can just chalk him up as a racist. There are a lot of shades of grey.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: aygart on January 05, 2017, 09:42:47 PM
Wiki added.
The flavorless stuff lost in the primary and we were left with two choices both tasteless.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 05, 2017, 09:44:03 PM
Wow. You're the first person who makes me feel young here 😉
Are you trying to guess my age?
The hints have been all over...


When we thought a 20MB hard disk was sufficient, and when a 40MB hard drive had to be partitioned into two partitions, the largest one being 30MB.
Calls to Eretz Yisroel on a special plan with AT&T (long distance, not wireless) = $2.50 (I think) for the first minute, $0.75 for each additional minute, and that was a bargain over the regular rates.
Now you're talking real prehistoric times  ;D (though some remnants of those were still in circulation that I can remember)
And I still remember my first call from a payphone to Eretz Yisroel, (and the only one done with currency, rather than other methods). It was over $9 for the first 3 minutes, you needed the operator to get involved, as she would do something to make the payphone swallow the coins after $3 were deposited, because otherwise the phone wouldn't take more than that.
Paying for the Holland Tunnel toll with Canadian Dollars for arbitrage (Oh and the toll was $2 back then).
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57647.msg1488294#msg1488294 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57647.msg1488294#msg1488294)

Need I go any further?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 09:51:37 PM
I don't think someone making a stupid comment, even a racist one, automatically means we can just chalk him up as a racist. There are a lot of shades of grey.

See, the thing is, part of the problem with political correctness today is that conversation has lost all its nuance. Everything is partisan - black or white, pro or anti - there is no middle ground. You are entirely correct; it would be ridiculously stupid make such a strong claim about an individual based on a single word, especially someone who has numerous decades of public attention.

But... MBD is a racist.

He is still the king. Always will be. He has done an insane amount of good, and inspired and uplifted many in such sheer numbers I could never come close to having that kind of impact on the world. Nothing can or will detract from that.

But... MBD is a racist.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 09:55:06 PM
Need I go any further?

You're just a TimT wannabee, aren't you?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 05, 2017, 10:00:19 PM
You're just a TimT wannabee, aren't you?
I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or as an insult.

Anyway, it's something like
I have some good ones compiled from over the time I've spent on DDF.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 05, 2017, 10:01:55 PM
I don't know if I should take that as a compliment or as an insult.

Anyway, it's something like
The former. Kinas sofrim
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 05, 2017, 10:09:19 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57647.msg1488294#msg1488294 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=57647.msg1488294#msg1488294)

Need I go any further?
So after all of those, one person comes and says he predates me. That makes me feel like a spring chicken. Everything is relative.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 05, 2017, 11:24:15 PM


See, the thing is, part of the problem with political correctness today is that conversation has lost all its nuance. Everything is partisan - black or white, pro or anti - there is no middle ground. You are entirely correct; it would be ridiculously stupid make such a strong claim about an individual based on a single word, especially someone who has numerous decades of public attention.

But... MBD is a racist.

He is still the king. Always will be. He has done an insane amount of good, and inspired and uplifted many in such sheer numbers I could never come close to having that kind of impact on the world. Nothing can or will detract from that.

But... MBD is a racist.

Based on.... one word?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 05, 2017, 11:24:22 PM
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/509471/op-ed-the-jta-and-the-undisputed-king-of-jewish-music-mbd.html
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 12:26:10 AM
Why are these type of people attracted to Trump?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 12:28:27 AM
Who split off this thread? Was wondering why the popcorn stopped, until I found this split off thread! Where's the site suggestion thread?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 12:29:28 AM
Who split off this thread? Was wondering why the popcorn stopped, until I found this split off thread! Where's the site suggestion thread?
That didn't go anywhere.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=321.0 (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=321.0)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 12:30:07 AM
Who split off this thread?
That's what happens when you give someone a little power.  ;)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 12:30:46 AM
That didn't go anywhere.
True, but I hate when I have to catch up on 7 hours worth of volleys
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 12:32:04 AM
True, but I hate when I have to catch up on 7 hours worth of volleys
That's why this thread was wikified.  :)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 12:32:48 AM
True, but I hate when I have to catch up on 7 hours worth of volleys
Here is a recap. Famous racist Jewish singer slurs Obama and crowd cheers.  :)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 12:34:03 AM
Here is a recap. Famous racist Jewish singer slurs Obama and crowd cheers.  :)
I was here for the beginning. I missed the middle. Im still waiting for an answer to my question though. Why we even discussing MBD, when we have a much bigger story to discuss?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 12:34:37 AM
Here is a recap. Famous racist Jewish singer slurs Obama and crowd cheers.  :)
It's not Friday yet for you.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yammer on January 06, 2017, 12:35:37 AM
Why are these type of people attracted to Trump?

 1. You can imagine that Obama ain't that popular in Israel these days...( UN, Paris, Kerry speech )

2. I don't even know if he's for Trump
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 12:40:14 AM
Why are these type of people attracted to Trump?
Why do you have to mix trump into every equation?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 12:42:58 AM
Why are these type of people attracted to Trump?
Lol. At first glance I thought u were talking about the racists from Chicago who were "attracted" to trump-bashing. But I guess I am wrong
1. You can imagine that Obama ain't that popular in Israel these days...( UN, Paris, Kerry speech )

2. I don't even know if he's for Trump

Why do you have to mix trump into every equation?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: grodnoking on January 06, 2017, 12:44:22 AM
Here is a recap. Famous Jewish singer says there will be peace when America has a new president and crowd cheers, and then Famous Jewish singer slurs Obama :)
FTFY
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:04:37 AM
I was here for the beginning. I missed the middle. Im still waiting for an answer to my question though. Why we even discussing MBD, when we have a much bigger story to discuss?
The bigger story AFAIK everyone agrees on.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:05:40 AM
It's not Friday yet for you.
Just getting a jump on everyone.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 01:06:01 AM
The bigger story AFAIK everyone agrees on.
Apparently the white house doesn't...yet. They aren't sure if its a hate crime.
Link was up thread somewhere
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:07:52 AM
Apparently the white house doesn't...yet. They aren't sure if its a hate crime.
When the WH starts posting here then we can continue. Until then we are all in agreement. Can we get back to why so many support a famous racist Jewish singer?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:08:51 AM
Why do you have to mix trump into every equation?
The comment was about Trump...
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 01:09:38 AM
When the WH starts posting here then we can continue. Until then we are all in agreement. Can we get back to why so many support a famous racist Jewish singer?
Most "Jewish" people probably support MBD because they feel that BHO just stabbed them in the back
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:10:05 AM
Why are these type of people attracted to Trump?
Yeah, why are Jews attracted to Trump the anti-Semite?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: grodnoking on January 06, 2017, 01:10:07 AM
When the WH starts posting here then we can continue. Until then we are all in agreement. Can we get back to why so many support a famous racist Jewish singer?
Who said he's Racist. He's a Jewish singer who said something racist once.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:10:48 AM
Most "Jewish" people probably support MBD because they feel that BHO just stabbed them in the back
So before BO was president he wasn't considered a racist?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 01:11:02 AM
When the WH starts posting here then we can continue. Until then we are all in agreement. Can we get back to why so many support a famous racist Jewish singer?
There is some kind of emotional connection. It's the voice we all grew up on. Laughed on, cried on, ate breakfast on, went to bed on, jogged on, slept on........
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:11:33 AM
Yeah, why are Jews attracted to Trump the anti-Semite?
Who said he was an anti-Semite?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:11:57 AM
There is some kind of emotional connection. It's the voice we all grew up on. Laughed on, cried on, ate breakfast on, went to bed on, jogged on, slept on........
Now that makes sense.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: grodnoking on January 06, 2017, 01:11:58 AM
So before BO was president he wasn't considered a racist?
Did he say anything racist before BHO?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 01:13:02 AM
I think its comparable to "Kramer" from the Seinfeld show. I still love that guy even though he onetime said something highly racist. IMO he is still a great actor. So MBD is still a great singer. Maybe to befriend him now I'll reconsider, but as a singer, he's still a great man
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:14:14 AM
Did he say anything racist before BHO?
Reading some of the comments in this thread it seems he is a known racist. At his age a don't think that just happened.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 01:15:29 AM
Reading some of the comments in this thread it seems he is a known racist. At his age a don't think that just happened.
Which comments?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 01:16:38 AM
Reading some of the comments in this thread it seems he is a known racist. At his age a don't think that just happened.
Put it that way, he's not a racist by profession. Does he keep racist values in his heart? No way I can know. Just because some on this thread implied that, it's not necessarily true. It was based solely on this one incident.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:17:47 AM
I think its comparable to "Kramer" from the Seinfeld show. I still love that guy even though he onetime said something highly racist. IMO he is still a great actor. So MBD is still a great singer. Maybe to befriend him now I'll reconsider, but as a singer, he's still a great man
I guess I am confused. I was under the impression this was not a one time event for him. If it is then that is a whole different story. I know he was silent on the comment. Has he apologized for it or explained it so far?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:18:11 AM
Who said he's Racist. He's a Jewish singer who said something racist once.
+1
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:18:55 AM
Who said he was an anti-Semite?
He once made a comment stereotyping Jews.
According to your logic, that means he's an anti-Semite.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 01:19:04 AM
I guess I am confused. I was under the impression this was not a one time event for him. If it is then that is a whole different story. I know he was silent on the comment. Has he apologized for it or explained it so far?
I'm not aware of any racial slur from him other than this.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: grodnoking on January 06, 2017, 01:19:48 AM


I guess I am confused. I was under the impression this was not a one time event for him.
I'll admit I did not read this whole thread. But I did not see that anyone said it was a comment occurrence.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:20:32 AM
I'm not aware of any racial slur from him other than this.
Fair enough. He should just apologize and move on then.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:21:04 AM
I'm not aware of any racial slur from him other than this.
+1
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 01:22:50 AM
Fair enough. He should just apologize and move on then.
Agreed.
In the meantime, a poignant song from him and my "uncle":
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: grodnoking on January 06, 2017, 01:22:58 AM
Fair enough. He should just apologize and move on then.
Maybe he did. No one ever covers that part of the story.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:24:58 AM
Maybe he did. No one ever covers that part of the story.
Should be easy to find but I have had no luck so far.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 01:25:21 AM
And just like that the popcorn dies. Oh wait...was the crowd cheering on the racial slur or not? Probably not, they were probably just cheering that the guy who just stabbed Israel in the back will be leaving office. After all the concert did take place in Israel
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:25:56 AM
Fair enough. He should just apologize and move on then.
Let's see, he called Obama black, and you called him a racist. Who owes the bigger apology here?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:26:21 AM
Agreed.
In the meantime, a poignant song from him and my "uncle":

You know I can't view it.  >:(
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:27:00 AM
Let's see, he called Obama black, and you called him a racist. Who owes the bigger apology here?
The one who is wrong.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:28:50 AM
The one who is wrong.
I hope that's an admission.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: grodnoking on January 06, 2017, 01:31:13 AM

Let's see, he called Obama black, and you called him a racist. Who owes the bigger apology here?



The one who is wrong.

Lol. One of those is a fact and one is an option.
I hope that's an admission.

Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:31:47 AM
I hope that's an admission.
As one of our own highly respected member has said: It is not because the word is a slur but because he is referring to him by his race in a context where race is irrelevant.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 01:32:10 AM
You know I can't view it.  >:(
Your Rabbi blocked YouTube?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:34:04 AM
As one of our own highly respected member has said: It is not because the word is a slur but because he is referring to him by his race in a context where race is irrelevant.
I think the comment was wrong. I don't think it is fair to brand him as a racist because of it.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 01:34:57 AM
As one of our own highly respected member has said: It is not because the word is a slur but because he is referring to him by his race in a context where race is irrelevant.
The word is a slur. Plain and simple.  Outside of biblical context, no one on this forum has ever heard it mean just "black".

Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:35:43 AM
The word is a slur. Plain and simple.  Outside of biblical context, no one on this forum has ever heard it mean just "black".
-1
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:37:22 AM
Your Rabbi blocked YouTube?
My filter.  ;)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 01:37:55 AM
-1
It's a moot point. Even if there are no negative connotations to the word, why did he say "The black person" instead of saying Obama or any other reference other than his skin color?

If it was a slip, he should just apologize and move on.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:40:09 AM
I think the comment was wrong. I don't think it is fair to brand him as a racist because of it.
Instead of using Bibi if I said "that Jew" how would that be taken here?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 01:40:44 AM
Instead of using Bibi if I said "that Jew" how would that be taken here?
Which context?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:41:10 AM
If it was a slip, he should just apologize and move on.
Winner winner chicken dinner! It is not like a Mel Gibson moment.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:41:44 AM
Which context?
That Jew should keep his mouth shut!  >:(

contrast to

Bibi should keep his mouth shut.  :)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 06, 2017, 01:42:12 AM
That Jew should keep his mouth shut!  >:(
Anti-semite. But it's a very bad comparison to what MBD said.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:42:40 AM
It's a moot point. Even if there are no negative connotations to the word, why did he say "The black person" instead of saying Obama or any other reference other than his skin color?

If it was a slip, he should just apologize and move on.
I can psychoanalyze why he thought it was relevant, but regardless, I think it was wrong. It's not as bad as using a slur, so it does make a difference.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:43:16 AM
Anti-semite.
As it should be.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
That Jew should keep his mouth shut!  >:(

contrast to

Bibi should keep his mouth shut.  :)
It still depends on the context.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:44:59 AM
As it should be.
It's worse than what MBD said, but I wouldn't brand you an anti-Semite based on one comment.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:45:48 AM
It still depends on the context.
That Jew should stop attacking Obama!  >:(

Bibi should stop attacking Obama.

Is that better for context?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:49:41 AM
That Jew should stop attacking Obama!  >:(

Bibi should stop attacking Obama.

Is that better for context?
Possibly. More context would still be helpful. For example, if we were discussing stoking anti-Semitism in the black community, it would be relevant to point out that as a Jew, Bibi's negative comments would have a stronger affect than a non-Jew's attack.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 01:51:25 AM
Possibly. More context would still be helpful.
UN resolution.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Cheesecake on January 06, 2017, 01:56:47 AM
UN resolution.
Correct. It was much more of an anti-Obama comment than an anti-black comment, said out of anger at the UN resolution. I don't think it's fair to paint a man a racist based on that.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Emkay on January 06, 2017, 03:09:18 AM
I think you all need to be truthful with yourselves. If BO came out tomorrow in his speech and called Jews a disparaging name he would immediately and for all eternity be labeled an anti-Semite by everyone here. You wouldn't give him the "one time" pass.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 03:11:46 AM
I think you all need to be truthful with yourselves. If BO came out tomorrow in his speech and called Jews a disparaging name he would immediately and for all eternity be labeled an anti-Semite by everyone here. You wouldn't give him the "one time" pass.
:)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yammer on January 06, 2017, 03:38:51 AM
I think you all need to be truthful with yourselves. If BO came out tomorrow in his speech and called Jews a disparaging name he would immediately and for all eternity be labeled an anti-Semite by everyone here. You wouldn't give him the "one time" pass.
There is a difference between a) a politician b) giving a speech vs a singer at a concert pumped up from a song about peace saying a derogatory term.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Emkay on January 06, 2017, 03:44:40 AM
There is a difference between a) a politician b) giving a speech vs a singer at a concert pumped up from a song about peace saying a derogatory term.
No there isn't. But OK, change the BO speech to a private BO fundraiser with a leaked video.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yammer on January 06, 2017, 03:51:16 AM
No there isn't. But OK, change the BO speech to a private BO fundraiser with a leaked video.
I agree that he should apologize, just not with your comparisons.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Emkay on January 06, 2017, 03:58:34 AM
I agree that he should apologize, just not with your comparisons.
OK, so help me understand. In which case would you excuse a derogatory one time comment about Jews and not brand someone an anti-Semite?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yammer on January 06, 2017, 04:07:03 AM
OK, so help me understand. In which case would you excuse a derogatory one time comment about Jews and not brand someone an anti-Semite?
Once again, apologize he should, you just can't compare him to a politician/ POTUS. Politicians have political apponents that blow it up for their personal advantage making it a given that such stories shouldn't happen. I also don't believe that he meant it in a racial way, just as
1. You can imagine that Obama ain't that popular in Israel these days...( UN, Paris, Kerry speech )

2. I don't even know if he's for Trump

But once again he should've apologized already.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Emkay on January 06, 2017, 04:10:42 AM
Once again, apologize he should, you just can't compare him to a politician/ POTUS. Politicians have political apponents that blow it up for their personal advantage making it a given that such stories shouldn't happen. I also don't believe that he meant it in a racial way, just as
But once again he should've apologized already.
I understand. So I simply asked for a case where you would excuse a public figure for an anti Semitic comment. You haven't answered that.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 05:48:27 AM
But once again he should've apologized already.
If he doesn't apologize or explain that he didn't mean it that way then you can only draw one conclusion.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: aygart on January 06, 2017, 07:26:19 AM
Should be easy to find but I have had no luck so far.
He is not covered nearly as extensively as secular performers. Between concerts and recording you don't really hear from him. The public apology never comes other than in response to or anticipation of a public outcry in the media which has not happened to the extent that he would feel a need to do more than just ignore it. The story is already over in his eyes and to make a statement now would only stir the pot. We will never know whether or not he regrets it.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 07:28:11 AM
He is not covered nearly as extensively as secular performers. Between concerts and recording you don't really hear from him. The public apology never comes other than in response to or anticipation of a public outcry in the media which has not happened to the extent that he would feel a need to do more than just ignore it. The story is already over in his eyes and to make a statement now would only stir the pot. We will never know whether or not he regrets it.
If that is the case then he fails my goalpost standard.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: aygart on January 06, 2017, 07:30:51 AM
If that is the case then he fails my goalpost standard.
He probably does but more because he is probably not as sensitive to the issue as he should be that due to being racist.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 06, 2017, 08:08:43 AM
There is a difference between a) a politician b) giving a speech vs a singer at a concert pumped up from a song about peace saying a derogatory term.
You are definitely onto something here.

I would expand on that to offer the following perspective here: A performer becomes successful, not only because of his singing talent, but because of his ability to connect to the crowd. I think that MBD is not a racist in heart. He might despise BHO, like many do, for one reason or another. Using the term Kushi in front of an Israeli crowd of concert goers was his way to attempt to connect with that crowd.

He should apologize and everyone should move on to discuss the horrific, racist, sub human, cruel, thing that occurred in Chicago (would I be considered racist if I mentioned it is BHO'S and Rahm Emanuel's home town?) and the sickening video of it.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: gozalim on January 06, 2017, 08:23:21 AM
He should apologize and everyone should move on to discuss the horrific, racist, sub human, cruel, thing that occurred in Chicago (would I be considered racist if I mentioned it is BHO'S and Rahm Emanuel's home town?) and the sickening video of it.
+1 this place is like the UN. You have overtly race /hate based cases of ugly violence and torture, human rights violation, mistreating disabled people etc. All well documented. But instead we have a unanimous resolution excoriating the fact that, in Israel, someone's feelings may have been hurt
#proportion
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 08:28:54 AM
You can never speak about an issue that is connected to your community if there is a larger, more serious issue in another community happening.

Why is the take back Lakewood thread in existence when people are dying in Chicago!? The nerve of people to worry about duplexes when people are being shot.

No one is accusing MBD of kidnapping and torturing black people.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 09:31:26 AM
He should apologize and everyone should move on to discuss the horrific, racist, sub human, cruel, thing that occurred in Chicago (would I be considered racist if I mentioned it is BHO'S and Rahm Emanuel's home town?) and the sickening video of it.
What do you want to discuss? AFAIK everyone agrees on this.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 09:36:33 AM
I would expand on that to offer the following perspective here: A performer becomes successful, not only because of his singing talent, but because of his ability to connect to the crowd. I think that MBD is not a racist in heart. He might despise BHO, like many do, for one reason or another. Using the term Kushi in front of an Israeli crowd of concert goers was his way to attempt to connect with that crowd.
I think I understand now. You mean like a Rev Wright sermon. He was just connecting with the congregation.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: aygart on January 06, 2017, 09:46:03 AM
I think I understand now. You mean like a Rev Wright sermon. He was just connecting with the congregation.
So he needed to say those things to connect to BO?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 09:50:53 AM
So he needed to say those things to connect to BO?
No, he happen to be dragged there by his DW.  :)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: aygart on January 06, 2017, 09:53:55 AM
No, he happen to be dragged there by his DW.  :)
Do that is the kind of person he married?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 09:55:38 AM
Do that is the kind of person he married?
I think an edit is needed?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 06, 2017, 10:18:33 AM
Forget MBD. There's bigger fish to fry: YAHOO!!
They tweeted the N word. Twitter is a fun read this morning
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 10:21:09 AM
What happen to everyone that wanted to discuss the despicable act that happened in Chicago? Don't tell me that was just a smokescreen.  :-\
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
Forget MBD. There's bigger fish to fry: YAHOO!!
They tweeted the N word. Twitter is a fun read this morning
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/yahoo-accidentally-reports-trump-wants-a-ngger-navy-and-black-twitter-hilariously-pounces/
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 10:22:46 AM
What happen to everyone that wanted to discuss the despicable act that happened in Chicago? Don't tell me that was just a smokescreen.  :-\
It was evil and vile. What more is there to say?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 10:28:32 AM
It was evil and vile. What more is there to say?
I agree but some feel we should be discussing that instead of MBD. So I made the offer but now no one wants to discuss it. So
I have to ask if that was just a smokescreen.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 10:29:45 AM
I agree but some feel we should be discussing that instead of MBD. So I made the offer but now no one wants to discuss it. So
I have to ask if that was just a smokescreen.
I don't see how that will become popcorn. Who is taking the thugs side?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 06, 2017, 10:30:30 AM
I agree but some feel we should be discussing that instead of MBD. So I made the offer but now no one wants to discuss it. So
I have to ask if that was just a smokescreen.
People are petrified to touch that story for fear of being called the R word themselves. Jews OTOH are an easy target. :P
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 10:32:40 AM
I don't see how that will become popcorn. Who is taking the thugs side?
I agree again.  :)
I am trying to figure out what they want to discuss about it.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 10:34:03 AM
People are petrified to touch that story for fear of being called the R word themselves.
That's pretty lame. We all know who the R's are here.  :P
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 10:52:03 AM
I think I've posted this on this forum before, it made a big impact on me when I read it a decade ago, and I think it is a very pertinent exercise in these discussions:

http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/04/mirrors.html

Whenever you want to defend are or attack, check your prejudices, put the shoe on the other foot. Think of Beyonce using such invective about Netanyahu, even just once off.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 11:03:29 AM
I agree but some feel we should be discussing that instead of MBD. So I made the offer but now no one wants to discuss it. So
I have to ask if that was just a smokescreen.
Why are we discussing one comment from MBD, when we have disgusting forms of racism in chicago?
You can never speak about an issue that is connected to your community if there is a larger, more serious issue in another community happening.

Why is the take back Lakewood thread in existence when people are dying in Chicago!? The nerve of people to worry about duplexes when people are being shot.

No one is accusing MBD of kidnapping and torturing black people.
Forget the torture focus on the racism
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: CS1 on January 06, 2017, 11:07:30 AM
I think I've posted this on this forum before, it made a big impact on me when I read it a decade ago, and I think it is a very pertinent exercise in these discussions:

http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/04/mirrors.html

Whenever you want to defend are or attack, check your prejudices, put the shoe on the other foot. Think of Beyonce using such invective about Netanyahu, even just once off.

Good one. Brain is busy with the beyonce and MBD comparison/connection. It works, but interesting choice of celebrity comparisons.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:08:57 AM
Good one. Brain is busy with the beyonce and MBD comparison/connection. It works, but interesting choice of celebrity comparisons.

Did you read the post?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:10:03 AM
Why are we discussing one comment from MBD, when we have disgusting forms of racism in chicago?
There is disagreement about MBD but no disagreement about Chicago.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: whYME on January 06, 2017, 11:10:28 AM
I don't see how that will become popcorn.
I'll take a stab at it (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji12.png)

(would I be considered racist if I mentioned it is BHO'S and Rahm Emanuel's home town?)
Or better, would I be considered racist if I said they could've been BHO's sons/daughters?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:14:53 AM
Not a male singer's comment to a female singer's comment.
You have to kidding? A racist comment by a male is different than a female making a racist comment.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:15:26 AM
I'll take a stab at it (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji12.png)
Or better, would I be considered racist if I said they could've been BHO's sons/daughters?
Idiot would be a better word.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:16:00 AM
The post about mbd

No, the post I linked to.

Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:17:34 AM
I'll take a stab at it (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji12.png)
Or better, would I be considered racist if I said they could've been BHO's sons/daughters?

Or, what would the reaction be if Trump would say the victim could have been his son?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: good sam on January 06, 2017, 11:18:52 AM
I take exception to the wiki.

What is more tasteless than pareve chulent?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:19:42 AM
Or, what would the reaction be if Trump would say the victim could have been his son?
No need to go there. It is pretty obvious what is going on here.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: CS1 on January 06, 2017, 11:23:53 AM
No, the post I linked to.

This one? http://bogieworks.blogs.com/treppenwitz/2006/04/mirrors.html
Great read. And it's from 2006. Very poignant today! (This was not the post that i was responding to. Excellent perspective -- will bookmark this one.)

Still good singer comparison. That will put perspective on many things. It goes both ways, though. She made some cops look like they were planning to be evil, contriving murderers on a recent video.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:24:49 AM
No need to go there. It is pretty obvious what is going on here.

Why don't you spell it out for everyone.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:27:14 AM
Why don't you spell it out for everyone.
They are trying ever deflection they can to keep the discussion away from MBD.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
They are trying ever deflection they can to keep the discussion away from MBD.

And why would that be?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:28:51 AM
And why would that be?
I will let you take that one.  :)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 06, 2017, 11:29:21 AM
I'll take a stab at it (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji12.png)
Or better, would I be considered racist if I said they could've been BHO's sons/daughters?
I actually think that such a statement should be considered to at the very least have racial undertones, if not outright racist.

When I asked to shift the discussion, and used all those adjectives, I am really trying to understand how could something like that happen in the USA in 2017.

There are a few elements here:

I think America should have an open, probably painful, discussion, as to how could something like this have happened. My initial thought when I read about injuring the scalp, was of Jeffrey Dahmer! Now that was one sickening person acting alone, not a group of people acting together, joking and filming the acts, and then posting them online. I think there is a major cultural breakdown at the root of this, and it should be confronted and addressed, rather than avoided.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:36:48 AM
I will let you take that one.  :)

Because there is an accepted current of casual racism within the frum community that people pretend doesn't exist when we're having discussions online with people like you around. Then we'll go kicking and screaming chilul Hashem for all kinds of other things, but when someone like MBD slips "Kushi" out in concert, on video, we'll twist ourselves into pretzels to defend him rather than admit it is something we hear in the mikvah every other day.

I'm so going to regret this comment.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:42:40 AM
I am not going to quote it in case you change your mind. Most of the time the truth does hurt.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: username on January 06, 2017, 11:44:07 AM
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I'm so going to regret this comment.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 11:44:34 AM
Methinks you are conflating frum community with NYC and South African community...
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:46:13 AM
Methinks you are conflating frum community with NYC and South African community...
That is PC all by itself.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:49:42 AM
Methinks you are conflating frum community with NYC community...
Nah. I've been around. I'm from South Africa - you know how many people joke with me that I probably wish for the good old apartheid days? Mind you, they don't know what apartheid meant, but nonetheless.

It's not an issue limited to the frum community. Every community will have its prejudices. We can only deal with our own issues. But this is not widely viewed as an issue
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 11:51:33 AM
Nah. I've been around. I'm from South Africa - you know how many people joke with me that I probably wish for the good old apartheid days? Mind you, they don't know what apartheid meant, but nonetheless.

It's not an issue limited to the frum community. Every community will have its prejudices. We can only deal with our own issues. But this is not widely viewed as an issue
I know. I've spent time in NYC and know SA people.
It's not nearly as bad OOT as it is there.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 11:52:45 AM
It's not an issue limited to the frum community. Every community will have its prejudices. We can only deal with our own issues. But this is not widely viewed as an issue
You should hear the parking lot talk right after they come out of Church.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 11:55:28 AM
I know. I've spent time in NYC and know SA people.
It's not nearly as bad OOT as it is there.

Not as bad? True. Just as it is not as bad in different parts of NYC itself. But the issue plagues the community as a whole, and denying it doesn't do anything other than make you feel better about yourself. You mean to tell me you've never heard anyone in CLE refer to BO with that kind of invective?
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: whYME on January 06, 2017, 11:57:00 AM
Methinks you are conflating frum community with NYC and South African community...
I know. I've spent time in NYC and know SA people.
It's not nearly as bad OOT as it is there.
It's pretty much impossible to live in Crown Heights and not become at least somewhat racist. I don't think I can count how many people I know who came to CH being all liberal and anti-racist and after a couple of years living among the blacks...

That being said, I used to think NYers are racist until I was in Yeshiva with some South Africans. Wow, compared to them I can barely call any NYer I know racist.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: TimT on January 06, 2017, 11:57:35 AM
Methinks you are conflating frum community with NYC and South African community...
That might be the racist post ever on DDF.  :P ;) :)
:P
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Dan on January 06, 2017, 11:59:10 AM
You mean to tell me you've never heard anyone in CLE refer to BO with that kind of invective?
I have, but it's not as prevalent as in NYC or SA.
/.02

Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Yehuda57 on January 06, 2017, 12:05:13 PM
I have, but it's not as prevalent as in NYC or SA.
/.02

Agreed.
It's pretty much impossible to live in Crown Heights and not become at least somewhat racist. I don't think I can count how many people I know who came to CH being all liberal and anti-racist and after a couple of years living among the blacks...

That being said, I used to think NYers are racist until I was in Yeshiva with some South Africans. Wow, compared to them I can barely call any NYer I know racist.

This all true. And I still stand by what I said, as a South African living in Crown Heights, no less.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: chevron on January 06, 2017, 12:42:18 PM
Its racist simply because he referenced obama by skin color regardless of the underlying meaning of the word he used

You can call jimmy carter a peanut farmer or twat from the south or redneck.  Being jewish or black etc is not a identity you can shed, thus if you reference someone by that, your merely bashing the entire nationality / race
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 06, 2017, 12:52:01 PM
Its racist simply because he referenced obama by skin color regardless of the underlying meaning of the word he used

You can call jimmy carter a peanut farmer or twat from the south or redneck.  Being jewish or black etc is not a identity you can shed, thus if you reference someone by that, your merely bashing the entire nationality / race
Seems pretty simple to me.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: shulem92 on January 06, 2017, 12:54:21 PM
You should hear the parking lot talk right after they come out of Church.
Always wondered what the non-jewish version of mikva-hock is
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JoeyShmoe on January 06, 2017, 12:56:43 PM
Because there is an accepted current of casual racism within the frum community that people pretend doesn't exist when we're having discussions online with people like you around. Then we'll go kicking and screaming chilul Hashem for all kinds of other things, but when someone like MBD slips "Kushi" out in concert, on video, we'll twist ourselves into pretzels to defend him rather than admit it is something we hear in the mikvah every other day.

I'm so going to regret this comment.
Do you see anybody that claims that the remark isn't racist? You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend your statement that he's a racist idiot (your words!) and will always remain one in your eyes, albeit a good singer. The popcorn is your labeling him as an A) idiot and B) racist. You'll throw the Frum community as a whole under the bus, as long as you can keep your disgusting name calling alive. Get over it!

Again, nobody disagrees (as far as I can tell) that what he said was a racist slur, nobody (as far as I can tell) is defending his saying that slur, I and others are defending your putting down of another human being. That's it!!!

I will not regret this comment!!!

P.S. I didn't read the conversation after this, since this actually got my blood boiling
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: ExGingi on January 06, 2017, 01:03:28 PM
It's pretty much impossible to live in Crown Heights and not become at least somewhat racist. I don't think I can count how many people I know who came to CH being all liberal and anti-racist and after a couple of years living among the blacks...
-1
I have and had excellent relationships with black neighbors in Crown Heights. That being said, not all are the same (just like, להבדיל, not all Frum Yidden are the same).

There might be things I can't stand about "blacks", but it has nothing to do with what they look like, but rather with some cultural issues, or things or actions they might find acceptable, which are an annoyance at the very least, and sometimes get worse. As an example, it is an unfortunately known cultural issue, that "blacks" tend to cherish their cars to an extreme. Is it only blacks? Probably not (I've seen quite a few Israelis that have the same attitude). Am I racist for thinking that this is part of "black" culture? I don't think so.

I think that the litmus test to see if someone is a racist or not, is how he or she might treat someone without any prior experience with that individual, just based on external features.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 09, 2017, 10:54:29 PM
I was debating the last while whether or not I should brand this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3985.msg1645306#msg1645306) comment as racist and post it here. (I haven't decided yet...  :P)
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: JTZ on January 09, 2017, 10:56:35 PM
I was debating the last while whether or not I should brand this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=3985.msg1645306#msg1645306) comment as racist and post it here. (I haven't decided yet...  :P)
We need a separate thread but it won't last.
Title: Re: MBD Racist? And Other Split Popcorn
Post by: Work-for-ur-muny on January 09, 2017, 10:58:49 PM
We need a separate thread but it won't last.
One of my considerations was leaving for friday. So I did!  :P