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Title: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 03, 2017, 10:29:06 AM
I'm interested in hearing about anyone's experiences using smart home technology.

I'm currently looking into the nest thermostat, nucleus intercom together with ring for front door
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2017, 10:33:29 AM
Nest requires manually disabling the motion sensor every shabbos.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 03, 2017, 11:19:26 AM
Nest requires manually disabling the motion sensor every shabbos.
true although I'd probably disable the motion sensor for good as it isn't the main feature for me

is there any other thermostat that doesn't have motion sensors,
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 03, 2017, 11:41:24 AM
Nest requires manually disabling the motion sensor every shabbos.
just realized that the ring doorbell motion detector would also need to be disabled for shabbos

I'd love to hear from frum people that use smart technology in their homes, seems quite the headache, although potentially I could set an IFTTT recipe shutting down the entire system every shabbos
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on May 03, 2017, 11:48:19 AM
true although I'd probably disable the motion sensor for good as it isn't the main feature for me

is there any other thermostat that doesn't have motion sensors,
Honeywell, (requires C wire) sensi
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: alexk. on May 03, 2017, 12:51:15 PM
I have Ring and Nucleus in my home. It would be nice if the hooked up together... That would bring it to a new level!

What questions do you have?

I like both products and I'm sure they will only improve.

Ring - Needs to be close to the wifi to get good strength of service. I recommend having it hardwired since the battery does not last as long as they say. It is a bit complicated and you need to order a special piece which Ring doesn't sell to hardwire it in a way that it doesn't short out. Took my wiring guy a while to get it right but now it is good.

Nucleus - Was buggy at first but has been smooth. Had to send 2 units back and got new ones and now works fine. I haven't used the Alexa feature, only the intercom part. Works from your phone which is cool.   
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 03, 2017, 02:31:15 PM
I have Ring and Nucleus in my home. It would be nice if the hooked up together... That would bring it to a new level!
Quote
they claim integration is coming soon


What questions do you have?

I like both products and I'm sure they will only improve.

Ring - Needs to be close to the wifi to get good strength of service. I recommend having it hardwired since the battery does not last as long as they say. It is a bit complicated and you need to order a special piece which Ring doesn't sell to hardwire it in a way that it doesn't short out. Took my wiring guy a while to get it right but now it is good.

Nucleus - Was buggy at first but has been smooth. Had to send 2 units back and got new ones and now works fine. I haven't used the Alexa feature, only the intercom part. Works from your phone which is cool.


firsty what do you do for shabbos/yom tov


regarding the ring.

1) how's the video quality
2) did you signup for the cloud package
3) do passing cars interfere with the motion sensor
4) why did you pick the ring over skybell or other companies

regarding the Nucleus,
1)does the alexa feature work without needing an echo device at home
2) how's the video quality
3) do you use it wall mounted & if yes through WiFi or Ethernet
4) if you have kids how do they use it

any other smart home devices you were looking at?
many thanks
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: alexk. on May 03, 2017, 03:15:33 PM
Ring -

1) I think the video quality is pretty good. I imagine the Pro has better than the standard version I have.
2) I got mine from Costco which comes with a year of the cloud package. I would recommend buying it there ( costco.com)
3) I don't use the motion due to the fact I have cameras outside my house. I don't need the motion. Plus didn't want the shabbos concerns.
4) Had a family member who had it and was happy. With the Costco deal, it seemed based on reviews it was best deal and best service.

Nucleus:

1) Haven't used the Alexa feature but am pretty sure it does not need an Echo. However, the quality of playing a song or using it as an echo in that sense would probably not be of the greatest quality.
2) Video quality is decent. All depends what your expectations are. For me it is an intercom first. I needed an intercom as I have 4 floors. The quality from a phone to a device is even less. In a room that has no light, it turns to infrared ( looks black and white) however, it does not change back if you turn a light on. The infrared is a new feature that I imagine will continue to improve.
3) They are all wall mounted. 3 are ethernet and 1 is wifi. I haven't seen any real difference in quality, but I can't say that I have really tested that well to give a definitive opinion.
4) The kids love it. They can call me with the touch of a button ( which can be annoying at work sometimes ;-) ), can call them up from the basement for dinner, see what they are doing in the room that has it, etc... Makes it easier for babysitters to have one button call access to you. It adds a new dimension to being in contact within your home and when away from the home.

For me, this was a great option due to needing an intercom system and wasn't able to use a wired system.

I don't have any other real smart devices that I can think of. These were purchased more out of necessity rather than my being techy. Although when people come to your home they thin it is really cool.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: alexk. on May 03, 2017, 03:16:58 PM
As far as Shabbos, none are on motion sensor, so it is not a problem.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yoohoo on May 03, 2017, 03:33:55 PM
Nest requires manually disabling the motion sensor every shabbos.
I git the nest on the cheap via promotion from Electric Co. You also have to turn off walk up sensor so it doesn't light up every time you walk by it
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 03, 2017, 03:35:34 PM
I have Ring and Nucleus in my home. It would be nice if the hooked up together... That would bring it to a new level!
 
I just chatted with them

we actually integrated with Ring doorbells recently so if you have Nucleus and Ring setup in your home you can connect them simply by going into Nucleus' settings and logging in with your Ring account info
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2017, 03:37:01 PM
I git the nest on the cheap via promotion from Electric Co. You also have to turn off walk up sensor so it doesn't light up every time you walk by it
You also need to turn off auto-away.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2017, 03:38:00 PM
true although I'd probably disable the motion sensor for good as it isn't the main feature for me

is there any other thermostat that doesn't have motion sensors,
This is a great deal and probably the best shomer shabbos wifi thermostat on the market:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/113052
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Super Speed on May 03, 2017, 04:33:37 PM
Nest requires manually disabling the motion sensor every shabbos.
Why not keep it permanently disabled?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yordai Dooma on May 03, 2017, 04:35:18 PM
This is a great deal and probably the best shomer shabbos wifi thermostat on the market:
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/113052
i have that one for over a year. Love it!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2017, 04:35:35 PM
Why not keep it permanently disabled?
Then what is the point of a Nest over the Honeywell for less than half the price?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: alexk. on May 03, 2017, 04:37:35 PM
I just chatted with them

we actually integrated with Ring doorbells recently so if you have Nucleus and Ring setup in your home you can connect them simply by going into Nucleus' settings and logging in with your Ring account info

Great. Will check it out. Thanks for the info. They didn't send an email or anything about that... as far as I remember...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: alexk. on May 04, 2017, 10:48:57 AM
I just chatted with them

we actually integrated with Ring doorbells recently so if you have Nucleus and Ring setup in your home you can connect them simply by going into Nucleus' settings and logging in with your Ring account info

I set it up and seems to work pretty smoothly. It says it is in Beta mode, so I imagine they haven't officially rolled it out and that is why I didn't hear about it. However, you can't activate the Ring from the Nucleus. Only Ring will activate the Nucleus.

It eliminates the need for some of the chimes as it chimes from the Nucleus which is nice.

The video quality on the nucleus from the Ring is not the same as on your phone. But it is decent and should meet your needs...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: snagger on May 04, 2017, 12:22:53 PM
Honeywell, (requires C wire) sensi
how do i know if i currently have a c wire? Is it costly to wire a c wire?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on May 04, 2017, 12:36:17 PM
how do i know if i currently have a c wire? Is it costly to wire a c wire?
It could be expensive, $100+.
Google how to find a c wire
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on May 04, 2017, 12:42:04 PM
how do i know if i currently have a c wire? Is it costly to wire a c wire?
The first step is to know if the thermostat you have now uses it. It probably does not if it does not have wifi. The next step is to when the wiring for your thermostat was installed or better yet if there is an unconnected wire behind the thermostat and in your HVAC system.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yaalili on May 04, 2017, 01:22:53 PM
true although I'd probably disable the motion sensor for good as it isn't the main feature for me

That's what we do.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 04, 2017, 02:02:26 PM
That's what we do.
every week?



I set it up and seems to work pretty smoothly. It says it is in Beta mode, so I imagine they haven't officially rolled it out and that is why I didn't hear about it. However, you can't activate the Ring from the Nucleus. Only Ring will activate the Nucleus.

It eliminates the need for some of the chimes as it chimes from the Nucleus which is nice.

The video quality on the nucleus from the Ring is not the same as on your phone. But it is decent and should meet your needs...
so just to confirm, when someone rings the doorbell you instantly get a video feed on the Nucleus & can have two way audio through the Nucleus?.


BTW what do people with smart doorbells do when wanting to buzz someone into their house

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 04, 2017, 02:13:16 PM
not sure if this qualifies as a smart home question but if i'm currently using my Obi 110 as my home phone in a basement can I use such a system in a multiple floor house, if yes should I even wire my home with conventional phone outlets
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 04, 2017, 02:44:14 PM
http://www.dansdeals.com/archives/113052
whats the difference bedween that and this (https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-Programmable-Thermostat-RTH6580WF-Amazon/dp/B00Y6M2OUC/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8), besides for the looks
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: alexk. on May 04, 2017, 04:00:10 PM
every week?


so just to confirm, when someone rings the doorbell you instantly get a video feed on the Nucleus & can have two way audio through the Nucleus?.


BTW what do people with smart doorbells do when wanting to buzz someone into their house



Yes, it opens a window on the screen with the Ring video open and the option to answer or decline. 
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yaalili on May 04, 2017, 04:15:19 PM
every week?

We have it disabled all the time.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on May 04, 2017, 04:19:11 PM
whats the difference bedween that and this (https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-Programmable-Thermostat-RTH6580WF-Amazon/dp/B00Y6M2OUC/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8), besides for the looks
Better interface.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 04, 2017, 04:30:38 PM
We have it disabled all the time.
Then Dan is right, the Honeywell would offer the same features and is half the price
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 04, 2017, 04:32:50 PM
Yes, it opens a window on the screen with the Ring video open and the option to answer or decline.
Really cool. Now I just need to figure out how to buzz someone in
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 09, 2017, 01:01:37 AM
Bye bye nucleus

http://www.aftvnews.com/exclusive-this-is-amazons-new-echo-with-a-built-in-touchscreen/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: skyguy918 on May 10, 2017, 05:04:02 PM
Bye bye nucleus

http://www.aftvnews.com/exclusive-this-is-amazons-new-echo-with-a-built-in-touchscreen/
http://gizmodo.com/did-amazon-rip-off-the-echo-show-from-a-startup-it-inve-1795086198
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on May 10, 2017, 06:11:22 PM
http://gizmodo.com/did-amazon-rip-off-the-echo-show-from-a-startup-it-inve-1795086198
My very thought
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 12, 2017, 01:23:37 PM
does anyone here control their lights remotely?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 22, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
If i'm rewiring my house, is there anything i should take into consideration if i want to have a smart home in the future? or is everything wireless nowadays anyway
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2017, 03:38:07 PM
If i'm rewiring my house, is there anything i should take into consideration if i want to have a smart home in the future? or is everything wireless nowadays anyway
To be able to have range extenders or mesh network around the house and to have a c wire for the thermostats.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 22, 2017, 03:46:56 PM
To be able to have range extenders or mesh network around the house and to have a c wire for the thermostats.

for the range extenders or mesh network, does that require extra wiring? I guess I can have ethernet ports throughout the house.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2017, 04:02:05 PM
for the range extenders or mesh network, does that require extra wiring? I guess I can have ethernet ports throughout the house.
It is not required but can sometimes be helpful especially if you want it to extend far without need extender to extender connections. I would add some ethernet ports.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on June 23, 2017, 12:55:31 AM
for the range extenders or mesh network, does that require extra wiring? I guess I can have ethernet ports throughout the house.
Yup PoE wiring is the way to go, only thing I'm not sure about is whether it pays the extra cost to get cat 6 over cat 5
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on June 23, 2017, 08:57:22 AM
Yup PoE wiring is the way to go, only thing I'm not sure about is whether it pays the extra cost to get cat 6 over cat 5
I would guess that yes since we do not know what will come in the future which will require cat6
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 23, 2017, 09:10:03 AM
So basically, to have a smart home, it's better to have Poe wiring but it's not necessary.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on June 23, 2017, 09:12:22 AM
So basically, to have a smart home, it's better to have Poe wiring but it's not necessary.
I would do it since again
I would guess that yes since we do not know what will come in the future which will require cat6
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 23, 2017, 09:13:54 AM
I would do it since again

Just have to get it priced out. Wiring would have to be in the walls
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on June 23, 2017, 09:24:34 AM
To be able to have range extenders or mesh network around the house and to have a c wire for the thermostats.
There's something called "Add-a Wire" cost about $8-10 allows you to convert a standard 4 wire stat to a 5 wire (adding the "c").
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on June 23, 2017, 09:37:28 AM
There's something called "Add-a Wire" cost about $8-10 allows you to convert a standard 4 wire stat to a 5 wire (adding the "c").
This looks like a similar idea but if someone is rewiring just do it right.
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-THP9045A1023-Wiresaver-Wiring-Thermostat/dp/B0060ASWPE/ref=pd_sim_328_6?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B0060ASWPE&pd_rd_r=YFAQDAT4E7WDWFZPG74S&pd_rd_w=WuMVg&pd_rd_wg=W6nX9&psc=1&refRID=YFAQDAT4E7WDWFZPG74S
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 25, 2017, 08:29:19 PM
any particular system that is recommended? eg smartthings, echo, google.......?

ETA: I don't really care for automation. I'm really interested in controlling everything from one device.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: chucksterace on June 25, 2017, 08:46:37 PM
So just saw this.
I have changed out almost all my light switches to Wemo devices and have not had any issues with them. I have a few Amazon Echo Dots around the Apartment and can control them from there. I also have a few plug adapters that control lamps and are great.
I do not regret them at all but they do need the neutral/ground wire. I am going to most likely put in some thermostats eventually but for a small apartment so far I a m good.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on June 25, 2017, 09:10:36 PM
So just saw this.
I have changed out almost all my light switches to Wemo devices and have not had any issues with them. I have a few Amazon Echo Dots around the Apartment and can control them from there. I also have a few plug adapters that control lamps and are great.
I do not regret them at all but they do need the neutral/ground wire. I am going to most likely put in some thermostats eventually but for a small apartment so far I a m good.

interesting. and you can control everything from your phone remotely?
Is there a more elegant way to do it?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: chucksterace on June 25, 2017, 09:59:36 PM
interesting. and you can control everything from your phone remotely?
Is there a more elegant way to do it?

Phone yes.
Alexa Yes,
Also from the light switches lol.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on September 13, 2017, 05:38:22 PM
SHABBOS TIMERS:

Standard Honeywell digital timer vs smart switch

Thoughts?

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on September 13, 2017, 06:22:17 PM
SHABBOS TIMERS:

Standard Honeywell digital timer vs smart switch

Thoughts?
Leave the lights on
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on September 14, 2017, 12:42:45 AM
Leave the lights on
Wasn't part of the question.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on September 14, 2017, 01:06:46 AM
SHABBOS TIMERS:

Standard Honeywell digital timer vs smart switch

Thoughts?


Also not part of the question, but I have a couple of these, easiest way to go (espescially if you're rewiring your house anyway

(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/078275/078275000025.jpg)
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on September 14, 2017, 11:46:21 AM
Also not part of the question, but I have a couple of these, easiest way to go (espescially if you're rewiring your house anyway

(https://mobileimages.lowes.com/product/converted/078275/078275000025.jpg)

how is that easier than replacing the light switch?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on September 14, 2017, 11:47:06 AM


how is that easier than replacing the light switch every year or two?
FTFY
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on September 17, 2017, 11:39:29 PM


how is that easier than replacing twenty light switches ?
FTFY, this is a whole house eitza
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on September 18, 2017, 08:09:00 AM
FTFY, this is a whole house eitza

You want every room and every light to turn in and off at the same time?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: lubaby on September 18, 2017, 08:11:21 AM
You want every room and every light to turn in and off at the same time?
Seems like each light needs its own box.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on September 18, 2017, 09:26:25 AM
The grey boxes can be done as you wish to configure it. Typically they are done by the circuit.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on September 19, 2017, 01:42:58 AM
Leave the lights on
Care to expound on your opinion
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on September 20, 2017, 02:43:25 PM
Care to expound on your opinion
The only reason to have lights on a timer are if someone is sleeping three or security. Otherwise the timer costs more the the energy you will save.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on September 20, 2017, 03:40:50 PM
The only reason to have lights on a timer are if someone is sleeping three or security. Otherwise the timer costs more the the energy you will save.
Even on a 3 day yom tov
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on September 20, 2017, 04:02:03 PM
Even on a 3 day yom tov
A bulb using forty watts will cost less than $7 on all day for all three day Yom tov in NYC. If you have led them much less.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on September 20, 2017, 04:43:19 PM
A bulb using forty watts will cost less than $7 on all day for all three day Yom tov in NYC. If you have led them much less.
X 20 bulbs & I see real savings in installing 2 smart switches that cost $70
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on September 20, 2017, 04:58:22 PM
X 20 bulbs & I see real savings in installing 2 smart switches that cost $70
Are they 40 watt or led. How many hours will the timer actually shut them off? How many bulbs per switch? How often will the switches bed to be replaced? What happens when they break are you unable to use the light at all until you switch them?

40 watts are about half a penny per hour in NYC.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on September 24, 2017, 01:13:09 AM
You want every room and every light to turn in and off at the same time?
Seems like each light needs its own box.
Like this...
The grey boxes can be done as you wish to configure it. Typically they are done by the circuit.

I have one for bedrooms (which I don't use) one for living areas, and one for outdoor lights.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on October 20, 2017, 12:40:47 PM
Recommendations for a wifi thermostat? I don't want a smart one (like a nest) because I don't want to spend that much.

Also, I have central ac but baseboard heat not sure if that makes a difference.

Thanks
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on October 20, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
Recommendations for a wifi thermostat? I don't want a smart one (like a nest) because I don't want to spend that much.

Also, I have central ac but baseboard heat not sure if that makes a difference.

Thanks
There's usually a difference. For the most part baseboard heat uses line voltage stats. There are ways you can hook up a standard wifi stat to work with line voltage but it's not a DIY project. Supco (model # 93257WF) makes a very nice wifi stat that's less costly than the Honeywell wireless stat.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on October 20, 2017, 12:50:30 PM
There's usually a difference. For the most part baseboard heat uses line voltage stats. There are ways you can hook up a standard wifi stat to work with line voltage but it's not a DIY project. Supco (model # 93257WF) makes a very nice wifi stat that's less costly than the Honeywell wireless stat.

Thanks and if I wanted it only for the heat then is that possible?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on October 20, 2017, 01:12:15 PM
Thanks and if I wanted it only for the heat then is that possible?
Possible, but won't be a DIY project, you'll need to call a HVAC contractor.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on October 20, 2017, 01:14:28 PM
Possible, but won't be a DIY project, you'll need to call a HVAC contractor.

Gotcha, so there's no way out of the box to get a wifi thermostat on baseboard heat?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on October 20, 2017, 01:26:57 PM
Gotcha, so there's no way out of the box to get a wifi thermostat on baseboard heat?
I think there may be one made by King Electric but I'm not familiar enough to be able to recommend it.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on November 02, 2017, 09:04:45 AM
Just confirming that this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=84901.0) is not compatible with baseboard gas heat?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on November 02, 2017, 09:37:04 AM
Just confirming that this (http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=84901.0) is not compatible with baseboard gas heat?
Nope, not compatible.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on November 02, 2017, 09:38:38 AM
Nope, not compatible.

Thanks  :(
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on November 02, 2017, 11:57:49 AM
Nope, not compatible.
Why?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on November 02, 2017, 12:03:58 PM
I put in a hearing system which is a mix of radiant & radiator heating in my house, over 2 floors they're split into different zones.

It seems obvious that each zone gets it's own thermostats which leads to the question, if I want to put in smart thermostats will I need to buy separate ones for each zone $$$$$$?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on November 07, 2017, 01:04:01 PM
Why?
B/c its not a line voltage stat. I've mentioned this in previously that it IS possible to make it work if you get your HVAC contractor to rig up some relays etc. It's not pretty and most contractors will tell you its cheaper for you (less labor) to stick with a stat that's geared for your equipment.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on November 12, 2017, 11:13:58 AM
Is there a way to get WeMo light switches to interface with zwave controlled device? My alarm system is z wave but my thermostat and switches aren't.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on December 07, 2017, 11:07:54 AM
Is there a way to get WeMo light switches to interface with zwave controlled device? My alarm system is z wave but my thermostat and switches aren't.

BUMP..or any IOT protocol that can control both?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: somefield on December 08, 2017, 08:39:48 AM
Check these guys out. https://www.wink.com/products/wink-hub-2/
This may be what you're looking for.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: bubbles on December 08, 2017, 08:41:07 AM
Is there a way to get WeMo light switches to interface with zwave controlled device? My alarm system is z wave but my thermostat and switches aren't.
I know the wemo outlets work with smartthings
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on December 08, 2017, 09:19:20 AM
Check these guys out. https://www.wink.com/products/wink-hub-2/
This may be what you're looking for.

Do I need to switch out my WeMo for wink light switches?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on December 08, 2017, 11:21:19 AM
I'm thinking about returning my wemo stuff for zwave stuff. My alarm panel is the honeywell tuxedo which can control anything zwave.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: mgarfin on January 24, 2018, 01:28:21 PM
SHABBOS TIMERS:

Standard Honeywell digital timer vs smart switch

Thoughts?

Thoughts?

https://www.amazon.com/Intermatic-EJ600-Indoor-Digital-Astro/dp/B008VM6MYM/
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-RPLS730B1000-7-Day-Programmable-Switch/dp/B004SOZHXY
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Programmable-Compatible-Required-Backlight/dp/B0184R2UDU/

vs

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Required-Requires-Assistant-HS200/dp/B01EZV35QU
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Lighting-Assistant-HS210-KIT/dp/B07724HNTX
https://www.amazon.com/MEAMOR-Wireless-Required-Smartphone-Compatible/dp/B0775L8VHK
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Required-Function-Compatible-Protection/dp/B073TRS6KC

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on January 24, 2018, 01:41:36 PM
Thoughts?

https://www.amazon.com/Intermatic-EJ600-Indoor-Digital-Astro/dp/B008VM6MYM/
https://www.amazon.com/Honeywell-RPLS730B1000-7-Day-Programmable-Switch/dp/B004SOZHXY
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Programmable-Compatible-Required-Backlight/dp/B0184R2UDU/

vs

https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Required-Requires-Assistant-HS200/dp/B01EZV35QU
https://www.amazon.com/TP-Link-Lighting-Assistant-HS210-KIT/dp/B07724HNTX
https://www.amazon.com/MEAMOR-Wireless-Required-Smartphone-Compatible/dp/B0775L8VHK
https://www.amazon.com/Wireless-Required-Function-Compatible-Protection/dp/B073TRS6KC
No comparison.

One is a smart switch the other isn't
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on January 31, 2018, 09:47:44 AM
Just found this now, couple of things:

- I have had "smart" features in my home for years. I primarily use z-wave switches and a Wink hub, and essentially I set my shabbos timers once and never touch them - save for when I add the days of the week for the yamim tovim.

- The Wink/Smarthings hubs are pretty good about being able to bridge technologies, but it's not always clear what exactly is and isn't supported

- Instead of using a ring doorbell, why not try this approach: Get 1) A digital, connected combination lock with a key backup and 2) a web cam on the front door.  This way during the week you can view the door via the cam, and use an app to open or close the lock. On Shabbos you can shut the webcam off, and get into the house via the key.

- As for thermostats, I'd suggest looking at the ecobee4 (which I don't own). It's screen seems to be always on, and it has alexa built-in. One of the other features it has over nest is that it also has remote sensors which you can add to other rooms in the house to help balance out the temperature
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on January 31, 2018, 11:49:29 AM
Can you recommend a specific digital combination lock
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on January 31, 2018, 06:08:13 PM
Can you recommend a specific digital combination lock

Look at the Schlage Locks they're about $150 or so on Amazon, some points:

- They have two lines:
- Sense, which is designed to work primarily with iPhones and Apple homekit - you can only use this lock locally, and need to use an optional adapter to control it via the internet.
- Connect - which uses Z-Wave. You can use their app or your z-wave app to add/remove PINs. If you have a z-wave to internet gateway, you can remotely open and close the door.

- Here is a link to their sense line - https://www.schlage.com/en/home/products/products-smart-locks/schlage-connect/schlage-connect-listing.html

Shabbos Warnings:
- Obviously, make sure it has a key as a backup option.
- Most of these locks, even if you use the key and/or the knob, will log each time the door is opened or closed. Please consult your local halachic authority as to if this is permissible



Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on January 31, 2018, 06:11:51 PM
It isn't permissible, that's why I was curious to hear which lock u use.
(There's a thread somewhere here where the guy writes extensively about this issue)

Oh well
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on February 01, 2018, 09:02:20 AM
Two thoughts for you:
- You *could* Disconnect the battery before shabbos and re-attach it after shabbos. It's an easy operation which you could do without tools, and it doesn't effect key operation.

- If you live in a house, you can take an alternative approach - put the smart lock on a side door or garage door that you're not likely to use on Shabbos (you're obviously not going to drive your car on shabbos).

I imagine that today's world in general poses a lot of halachic issues in the sense that we're being tracked and unaware. For example, AFAIK, a lot of hotels will give shomer shabbos people physical keys so they don't have to use the electronic ones, but I can't imagine that those aren't being tracked either. So if the issue is that turning a key is causing a computer to log your actions, you can't leave your room on shabbos.

... and if they have locks that use physical keys and don't log, you should buy one of them :)





Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on February 01, 2018, 09:05:51 AM
Here is how easy it is: https://youtu.be/zpm6C16MM7k?t=1m15s
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yuneeq on February 01, 2018, 10:01:13 AM
I don't have a smart lock, but am I wrong for thinking Sephardim would permit even if logs?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on February 02, 2018, 09:48:59 AM
If I need a door chime for my ring and dw does not want to use the ring chime itself, what do I need to look for? There is low voltage in the area so it can be wired
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Definitions on February 02, 2018, 10:16:32 AM
I don't have a smart lock, but am I wrong for thinking Sephardim would permit even if logs?
Why specifically sephardim?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: TribeTechReview on February 04, 2018, 01:43:12 PM
I write about the shabbos issue with smart locks (and other smart tech) on my blog at tribetechreview.wordpress.com.  I think all smart locks have issues with Shabbos but presented some options that can address some issues.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: TribeTechReview on February 04, 2018, 01:45:55 PM
In my latest column at Tribetechreview.wordpress.com I discuss keeping the Echo on on Shabbos.  I have NOT found a rav that permits this and from personal experience recommend against leaving it on regardless. feel free to comment here or on my blog.  With so many of Echos and Google Homes being sold, people need to be aware of the shabbos issues.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on February 05, 2018, 05:41:22 PM
I write about the shabbos issue with smart locks (and other smart tech) on my blog at tribetechreview.wordpress.com.  I think all smart locks have issues with Shabbos but presented some options that can address some issues.

Your original article was where some of the suggestions came from - namely putting the smart lock on an alternative door. Like you suggested in the article, the garage door  is a good option for most people - specifically because most people will not need to be opening their garages on shabbos.

But that begs the other question - do Hotel Locks log anytime the lock is opened - regardless if you've used a standard or an electronic key.

I assume that most shomer shabbos people will ask for a standard key in a hotel but if key turns are being logged, does it make a difference?

 
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: emineh17 on May 08, 2018, 12:03:24 AM
Has anyone figured out how to turn off the motion sensing and auto away from the nest thermostat or something similar for shabbos via IFTT or Tasker?

I have one that I'm planning to install just wondering if I have to turn these features off every shabbos or there is some way that I can automate it.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on May 08, 2018, 12:13:47 AM
In my latest column at Tribetechreview.wordpress.com I discuss keeping the Echo on on Shabbos.  I have NOT found a rav that permits this and from personal experience recommend against leaving it on regardless. feel free to comment here or on my blog.  With so many of Echos and Google Homes being sold, people need to be aware of the shabbos issues.
Read your review, and thank you. I have several of the schlage  FE595 locks, and my understanding from the engineering department over there is that when set to mechanical mode it is fully mechanical, and there is no logging of any sort. In your research does that make sense?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: mercaz1 on May 08, 2018, 11:58:43 AM
Has anyone figured out how to turn off the motion sensing and auto away from the nest thermostat or something similar for shabbos via IFTT or Tasker?

I have one that I'm planning to install just wondering if I have to turn these features off every shabbos or there is some way that I can automate it.
by motion sense do you mean the feature that lights up when you walk by the thermostat?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: emineh17 on May 08, 2018, 12:00:15 PM
by motion sense do you mean the feature that lights up when you walk by the thermostat?
No, that is simple to turn off and i dont need that on at all.
The home and away function which uses the motion sensor to detect if you are away.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on May 16, 2018, 09:57:31 AM
Read your review, and thank you. I have several of the schlage  FE595 locks, and my understanding from the engineering department over there is that when set to mechanical mode it is fully mechanical, and there is no logging of any sort. In your research does that make sense?

The logging issue, AFAIK, is primarily for locks that are internet connected - i.e. those that you can open with your phone.

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: bubbles on June 05, 2018, 09:48:28 PM
Any way to get an existing alarm to talk to smartthings without losing central monitoring? Currently have a NAPCO Gemini panel
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Entrepreneur on September 02, 2018, 11:59:26 AM
Any recommendations for video intercom systems? Basically i have kids in different rooms and want to be able have them call through the system like face time. I would prefer wireless (like just plug in socket) but am open to wires systems if they are much better. Also, are there systems where you can make a WiFi call (WhatsApp or through the intercom app)?

Not sure if there are any other details needed for a recommendation.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on September 02, 2018, 12:44:24 PM
Any recommendations for video intercom systems? Basically i have kids in different rooms and want to be able have them call through the system like face time. I would prefer wireless (like just plug in socket) but am open to wires systems if they are much better. Also, are there systems where you can make a WiFi call (WhatsApp or through the intercom app)?

Not sure if there are any other details needed for a recommendation.

Thanks!
amazon show
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Entrepreneur on September 06, 2018, 10:44:49 AM
Getting a camera with the following power requirements
“uses 5V 2A DC power through a micro USB port.”

I want to get an outlet that also has a USB plug but not sure if it is strong enough.
Ex: Amazon Topgreener TU2152A is “Dual USB ports with 2.1A total output”

Is that enough if I have another device plugged into the second USB port?

Any recommendations on what to buy?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: skyguy918 on September 06, 2018, 11:34:58 AM
Don't think that qualifies as 'smart home', but to answer your question, I just saw this:
https://kinjadeals.theinventory.com/heres-the-best-price-weve-ever-seen-on-usb-equipped-pow-1828251473

Cheaper than your other option, and higher power output. That should satisfy your requirements.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: efflpetzel on September 13, 2018, 04:01:29 PM
Any recommendations for video intercom systems? Basically i have kids in different rooms and want to be able have them call through the system like face time. I would prefer wireless (like just plug in socket) but am open to wires systems if they are much better. Also, are there systems where you can make a WiFi call (WhatsApp or through the intercom app)?

Not sure if there are any other details needed for a recommendation.

Thanks!
Sounds like the Nucleus is what you're looking for. But I can't recommend it
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: fliZ on September 17, 2018, 05:19:54 PM
Getting a camera with the following power requirements
“uses 5V 2A DC power through a micro USB port.”

I want to get an outlet that also has a USB plug but not sure if it is strong enough.
Ex: Amazon Topgreener TU2152A is “Dual USB ports with 2.1A total output”

Is that enough if I have another device plugged into the second USB port?

Any recommendations on what to buy?

Thanks!
Topgreener makes a 4.8 amp outlet (available on Amazon) if you want to be sure about power.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 20, 2018, 11:51:03 PM
It seems like Amazon is going into the kitchen appliance business... Voice activated Alexa microwaves.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Zevi16 on September 21, 2018, 12:31:11 AM
It seems like Amazon is going into the kitchen appliance business... Voice activated Alexa microwaves.
Greatfor the people that turn their microwave on with a broomstick
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 21, 2018, 01:12:35 AM
Greatfor the people that turn their microwave on with a broomstick
?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Zevi16 on September 21, 2018, 01:24:29 AM
?
There are many people that hold that microwaves are extremely unhealthy. They won’t go near it when it is on.
I’m not sure how they’d eat the food tho that went into it
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: tzifanya54 on September 21, 2018, 03:59:48 AM
There are many people that hold that microwaves are extremely unhealthy. They won’t go near it when it is on.
I’m not sure how they’d eat the food tho that went into it
Oh got it.. I just think it's scary how many things Amazon does now. Not to mention between them and Google they have everything recorded all the time inside your house car etc...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ushdadude on September 21, 2018, 04:55:13 PM
There are many people that hold that microwaves are extremely unhealthy. They won’t go near it when it is on.
I’m not sure how they’d eat the food tho that went into it
Do these people use wifi?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: EJB on September 21, 2018, 06:03:31 PM
Do these people use wifi?

Or cell phones?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yelped on September 23, 2018, 08:59:42 AM
There are many people that hold that microwaves are extremely unhealthy. They won’t go near it when it is on.
I’m not sure how they’d eat the food tho that went into it
Lol. Is this the reason why there is such a long Vaccine discussion thread?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on September 28, 2018, 01:23:54 PM
Oh got it.. I just think it's scary how many things Amazon does now. Not to mention between them and Google they have everything recorded all the time inside your house car etc...

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoRBCnMhQ3g/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: brodes18 on October 02, 2018, 09:41:02 PM
Considering my options for Ecobee smart thermostats: https://support.ecobee.com/hc/en-us/articles/115007082048-What-s-the-difference-between-the-ecobee3-ecobee3-lite-and-ecobee4-

-I don't value voice built into the thermostat
-I'll need to disable the proximity sensor in the unit

-I want to use remote sensors
-I want to use all other smart thermostat features

Any reason to get the 4 over the 3 lite?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: brodes18 on October 03, 2018, 09:16:07 AM
https://automatedabode.com/using-a-smart-thermostat-on-shabbos/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2018, 10:49:18 AM
https://automatedabode.com/using-a-smart-thermostat-on-shabbos/
Article is wrong. Ecobee does have a disable standby screen option and the ability to set the brightness the same for active and inactive.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: tzifanya54 on October 03, 2018, 11:29:01 AM
Article is wrong. Ecobee does have a disable standby screen option and the ability to set the brightness the same for active and inactive.
That's why we need this:
 
I prefer it.
Perhaps I'll write up a DDMS post comparing my experience with all of them.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: brodes18 on October 03, 2018, 01:34:20 PM
Article is wrong. Ecobee does have a disable standby screen option and the ability to set the brightness the same for active and inactive.

Good to know. Regardless, I like the part about automating a shabbos mode using the API. I might set this up for myself.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: TribeTechReview on October 07, 2018, 08:44:15 PM
I just wrote a two part article on the Wyze Cam.  It is a cute little indoor camera that is only 19.99 and does not have any cloud storage costs (14 days free).  Best thing is that the motion sensor can automatically be turned off for shabbos and Yom Tov.  See this article and other smart home articles on tribetechreview.com
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 11, 2018, 04:36:08 PM
Article is wrong. Ecobee does have a disable standby screen option and the ability to set the brightness the same for active and inactive.

Disabling the standby screen is not the same as disabling the proximity sensor. I you disable the standby screen timeout then the Ecobee will not display the standby screen but it will still dim the screen brightness after some time. When the proximity sensor is activated again the standby screen brightness will get brighter. You do have the ability to set the screen brightness to the same level for both active and standby thereby negating the problem of causing this modulation on Shabbos. However, the downside to this approach is that besides having the screen brightness cranked up all the time, you also lose the outside weather station reporting you would normally have on the standby screen. If you however just put a piece of opaque tape on the proximity sensor the device will change to active mode when touched and will go back to standby after the set timeout.

I should have included your option in my article. I probably didn't think of it at the time because when I got my Ecobee I in general didn't like the idea the proximity sensor activating the screen every time I passed by even during the week. There is no way to disable the proximity sensor and have the functionality I described so I just covered it with a small piece of tape which is barely noticable.

Now that you have pointed this out I will update the article. Since these settings are adjustable with the API it would be possible to have the settings changed right before Shabbos and Yom Tov and changed right back afterward.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 11, 2018, 04:52:14 PM
Disabling the standby screen is not the same as disabling the proximity sensor. I you disable the standby screen timeout then the Ecobee will not display the standby screen but it will still dim the screen brightness after some time. When the proximity sensor is activated again the standby screen brightness will get brighter. You do have the ability to set the screen brightness to the same level for both active and standby thereby negating the problem of causing this modulation on Shabbos. However, the downside to this approach is that besides having the screen brightness cranked up all the time, you also lose the outside weather station reporting you would normally have on the standby screen. If you however just put a piece of opaque tape on the proximity sensor the device will change to active mode when touched and will go back to standby after the set timeout.

I should have included your option in my article. I probably didn't think of it at the time because when I got my Ecobee I in general didn't like the idea the proximity sensor activating the screen every time I passed by even during the week. There is no way to disable the proximity sensor and have the functionality I described so I just covered it with a small piece of tape which is barely noticable.

Now that you have pointed this out I will update the article. Since these settings are adjustable with the API it would be possible to have the settings changed right before Shabbos and Yom Tov and changed right back afterward.
People have said the opaque tape trick works on the 3 Lite.

I have the old 3 and can't get the tape trick to work. When I cover the sensors it stays in active mode, so there's no benefit of that for me over leaving the brightness on the same level for active and inactive.

I do lose the weather, but unless someone wants to sell me a 3 Lite at the discounted price I don't think I'll switch just for that.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 11, 2018, 06:12:52 PM
I have the 3 and I use black electrical tape to cover the proximity sensor. I've done the same on the Ecobee 4, though on that model the sensor is on the bottom left side. The Ecobee 3 lite doesn't have a PIR sensor so you can't get confused with the proximity sensor. On the Ecobee 3 the proximity sensor is adjacent to the PIR sensor. The proximity sensor is the one that is further left and a bit lower down. You only need a very small piece of tape to cover it.

I imagine that the reason it stayed active in your situation may have been because of the type of tape you used.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 11, 2018, 06:14:07 PM
I used blue painters tape. Are you saying I need to go buy some black tape for it to work?
Have a picture of your tape solution?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 11, 2018, 06:22:01 PM
Sure I'll send you one when I get home.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 11, 2018, 06:22:45 PM
Should I buy this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001B19JLS/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Or this?
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00TOW5Y88/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 11, 2018, 07:02:33 PM
I just used the cheap black electric tape that I had. I imagine that either will work. It is probably an optical proximity sensor pulsing infrared light. When the light is reflected back the device knows something is there. Thus you need to use black tape so that the light doesn't reflect back.   
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 11, 2018, 07:04:53 PM
I would buy the duck tape because it is more matte and would probably be a bit less noticeable. Electric tape is more glossy and tends to discolor when stretched.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 11, 2018, 09:55:54 PM
Have a picture of your tape solution?
Attached
(http://20181011_214804.jpg)
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 11, 2018, 10:13:32 PM
Attached
(http://20181011_214804.jpg)
Thanks, black tape ordered.
What are the 2 sensors on the top left?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 12, 2018, 10:28:58 AM
I believe they are both parts of the proximity sensor. In the picture you will notice the LED light emitting IR which is not visible to the human eye but is visible on a camera (without an IR filter). The tape is covering the sensor that is supposed to receive the reflected IR light from the LED. On the bottom left corner is the PIR sensor covered by a semi transparent plastic.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 16, 2018, 06:07:17 PM
Attached
(http://20181011_214804.jpg)
When I tape over just one sensor (like your picture) then the screen changes when I waive my hand in front of it.
But works perfectly when I cover both sensors, thanks!

Who knew that dark blue tape would be different than dark black tape?!?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ev on October 16, 2018, 06:19:47 PM
Glad to be of help.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on October 23, 2018, 08:26:40 AM
Does anyone have recommendations for smart locks for an office?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: zgoldglantz on November 12, 2018, 11:14:48 AM
Does anybody know of a smart alarm system that can be set on a timer so it works friday night?

I have been reading through the forums and it seems like everyone's solution for Shabbos is to disable their security systems and cameras over Shabbos. I want to be able to have the alarm set for Friday night (probably midnight to 6am). Is there a smart security system that allows this?

I am in the market for a security system and want to know what people do for Shabbos if they are interested in securing their home over Friday night. I currently have Frontpoint but want to get rid of it before the 30 day cancellation period is up and I get locked into a contract. Been thinking about getting Ring. TIA!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on November 26, 2018, 09:14:38 PM
That's why we need this:
 
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: pixi on November 27, 2018, 01:15:18 AM
just realized that the ring doorbell motion detector would also need to be disabled for shabbos

although potentially I could set an IFTTT recipe shutting down the entire system every Shabbos
Has anyone tried to set an IFTTT recipe to void Shabbos issues with the Nest?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Buruch on November 28, 2018, 10:37:27 AM
Has anyone tried to set an IFTTT recipe to void Shabbos issues with the Nest?
Same question with Ring. Do you have to know programming to make an IFTTT recipe?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: lubaby on November 28, 2018, 10:59:53 AM
Same question with Ring. Do you have to know programming to make an IFTTT recipe?
IFTTT has a very simple user friendly UI. Don't need to know anything complicated for that.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Buruch on November 28, 2018, 11:09:23 AM
So, as someone who doesn't know squat about programming, I should be able to program a timer on my Ring system for Shabbos?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: lubaby on November 28, 2018, 11:17:37 AM
So, as someone who doesn't know squat about programming, I should be able to program a timer on my Ring system for Shabbos?
For a camera (low voltage?), you're gonna need a bit more then standard IFTTT.
If it was a regular AC plug, would be a lot easier (using a smart switch).

https://homealarmreport.com/stringify-ifttt-hands-review-comparison/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: username on December 25, 2018, 02:36:40 PM
I have the Ecobee 3 lite with taped over sensor. I also have two additional sensors, and I use follow me. I just added 2 profiles, Shabbos and Shab Night, with the remote sensors disabled during those times.

Heres my question: the information states:
If your ecobee detects occupancy during a scheduled Away period, or detects no occupancy during a scheduled Home period, it will automatically override the schedule to maximize comfort and savings.

My question is, will this also happen during a scheduled period not labeled Home or away. Like a sleep schedule...or a Shabbos schedule?

ETA: Alternately, I can set the sleep mode for shabbos , as the Smart Home away does not apply during sleep mode.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: username on December 25, 2018, 02:45:10 PM
^^^Relevent screenshots. 
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on December 25, 2018, 03:04:52 PM
I finally decided to setup the google mini, it pales in comparison to alexa.

Almost anything I say it tells me it needs more help and to look in the app 
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: username on December 25, 2018, 06:07:52 PM
So here's my Shabbos solution for the Ecobee 3 LITE.

Cover the (one) sensor on the thermostat.

Create a new profile to use every week-night. (I set it as an 'away' profile, so that even when I am sleeping, it wont detect that I am not there and lower the temp. If I do get up at night, it may detect that I am there and raise the heat...we'll see how that goes)

From Friday afternoon, till Saturday night, go into sleep mode (which is set to my normal temperature), and only use the thermostat temperature--no sensors. (Drawback is , that Friday night, it does not lower the heat)

With this combination, I can use 'follow me' during my home and away profiles (and my new nightly profile). On Shabbos, since its in Sleep mode, the 'Smart Home/Away' is not enabled.
Additionally, in the Sleep mode (which is what I use for Shabbos, I don't have any other sensors active, so no issue with 'Follow Me'.

And all week long, I can take advantage of the smart features.

Thoughts or feedback?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: emineh17 on December 26, 2018, 10:31:18 AM
I finally decided to setup the google mini, it pales in comparison to alexa.

Almost anything I say it tells me it needs more help and to look in the app
The only thing I use it for is to have surround sound in my house and play music on all of them at once with Google Play Music.
The mic is off on all of them by me.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: as2 on January 03, 2019, 06:39:36 PM
The only thing I use it for is to have surround sound in my house and play music on all of them at once with Google Play Music.
The mic is off on all of them by me.
Is there a way to have a chromecast TV play on my minis? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but can't find a real answer online.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: stooges44 on April 17, 2019, 10:33:34 AM
I got an ecobee3 lite via a sale from national grid.

According to the compatibility checker it told me it would work but I would need to use the included "power extender kit". When it arrived I followed the instructions except I'm using it on a gas boiler for heat only and I don't see the connections that the extender kit is looking for.

I've spent a bit of time with ecobee support and they told me I need to find where the wires from the thermostat are connected to at the boiler. So far I've had no luck :-(

Here's a pic of my current thermostat, the wires are in the Rh, Rc, Y, G and W slots:
(https://i.gyazo.com/f5620ebe4e1dd5c9fbfbdc965423cf1b.png)

Here's a pic of the zone controller:
(https://i.gyazo.com/069517d9005668a1fa4a3b995a12dc22.png)


and here's pics of the honeywell aquastat:
(https://i.gyazo.com/f32c37632576235d704b63df812d804f.png)

(https://i.gyazo.com/0e57ba0741c9a0fa243fc23ee2f3b612.png)

so before I return it, anyone have any suggestions?

TIA!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on April 17, 2019, 02:12:03 PM
I hate to be a freeloader - I just moved into a house  with a battery operated ring doorbell and 2 x ecobee lite 3 with 2 sensors each. just ot get through yom tov, what's the easiest way? I'll set up profiles and stuff afterward
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: username on April 17, 2019, 02:29:58 PM
Ecobee 3 lite:
Tape over the sensor on the main thermostat, and deactivate follow me and smart home/away.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on April 17, 2019, 02:31:02 PM
Ecobee 3 lite:
Tape over the sensor on the main thermostat, and deactivate follow me and smart home/away.
Yup.
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on April 17, 2019, 02:31:40 PM
I hate to be a freeloader - I just moved into a house  with a battery operated ring doorbell and 2 x ecobee lite 3 with 2 sensors each. just ot get through yom tov, what's the easiest way? I'll set up profiles and stuff afterward
AYLOR about the Ring.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on April 17, 2019, 02:53:53 PM
Ecobee 3 lite:
Tape over the sensor on the main thermostat, and deactivate follow me and smart home/away.
Yup.
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
AYLOR about the Ring.
Thank you very much
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: username on April 17, 2019, 02:55:17 PM
... I just moved into a house ...
Much Mazal and Hatzlacha in your new house!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on April 17, 2019, 03:34:48 PM
Much Mazal and Hatzlacha in your new house!
Amen! Thank you
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: EJB on April 17, 2019, 03:48:24 PM
Anyone here have or are familiar with the August smart lock? I just got the August Pro on an amazon deal for $160 including install. Essentially, I'm considering using it with a mechanical shabbos lock. My rov said as long as I disable any lights from going on, the mechanical lock can be used on shabbos even if a log entry is written somewhere.

Does anyone have this setup (smart + mechanical lock on same door using same deadbolt?) Does it work well? 
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: TribeTechReview on April 18, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
You can find artciles on Smart Lock for Shabbos and thermostats including the Ecobee on my site at tribetechreview.com
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: TribeTechReview on April 18, 2019, 03:21:04 PM
I hate to be a freeloader - I just moved into a house  with a battery operated ring doorbell and 2 x ecobee lite 3 with 2 sensors each. just ot get through yom tov, what's the easiest way? I'll set up profiles and stuff afterward

See my comprehensive article on this at tribetechreview.com.  Reach out with any questions.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on April 19, 2019, 12:55:53 AM
See my comprehensive article on this at tribetechreview.com.  Reach out with any questions.
Very helpful as well. I have some general comments will send you when I have some time, but very well done
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: TribeTechReview on April 29, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
Very helpful as well. I have some general comments will send you when I have some time, but very well done

Look forward to your comments...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Emkay on May 07, 2019, 10:21:41 AM
Any recommendations for an app/program to use with a tablet to control all smart devices in the house such as lights/speakers/locks/thermostats...?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on May 07, 2019, 05:25:59 PM
Any recommendations for an app/program to use with a tablet to control all smart devices in the house such as lights/speakers/locks/thermostats...?

It really depends on the devices you are using. For example, you can setup google assistant to work with compatible lights/thermos, but if your lock isn't compatible, you'll need a separate app to control it.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: as2 on May 07, 2019, 06:27:58 PM
It really depends on the devices you are using. For example, you can setup google assistant to work with compatible lights/thermos, but if your lock isn't compatible, you'll need a separate app to control it.
To add to that, many devices have features that may not work via Google/Alexa (or other "compatible" apps). I have light switches and outlets, that have timers that cannot be set via Google, only via their respective app(s), but can be turned on and off via Google.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: EJB on May 07, 2019, 09:06:06 PM
To add to that, many devices have features that may not work via Google/Alexa (or other "compatible" apps). I have light switches and outlets, that have timers that cannot be set via Google, only via their respective app(s), but can be turned on and off via Google.

On that note, many smart locks can't be controlled through alexa/google, or their capabilities are limited. This is due to security and legal concerns. So even if your smart lock is Alexa compatible, that may just mean you can control another device based on a notification from the lock, not that you can control the lock based on something else.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Emkay on May 13, 2019, 11:25:13 AM
Are there any thermostats that can control both heating and cooling in the same room? 2 totally separate systems.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on May 13, 2019, 12:47:37 PM
Are there any thermostats that can control both heating and cooling in the same room? 2 totally separate systems.

Most themorstats are designed so that only one system is active at a time - i.e. either heat or cooling. Nest has a Heat/Cool feature where it heats below x degrees and cools above y degrees - (i.e. heat it up to 68 and cool it down to 72) - is that what you are thinking of?

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Emkay on May 13, 2019, 12:49:44 PM
Most themorstats are designed so that only one system is active at a time - i.e. either heat or cooling. Nest has a Heat/Cool feature where it heats below x degrees and cools above y degrees - (i.e. heat it up to 68 and cool it down to 72) - is that what you are thinking of?
I would never need them working at the same time. Just has to be able to control both. 2 totally different systems, central AC and underfloor heating.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on May 13, 2019, 12:49:53 PM
Most themorstats are designed so that only one system is active at a time - i.e. either heat or cooling. Nest has a Heat/Cool feature where it heats below x degrees and cools above y degrees - (i.e. heat it up to 68 and cool it down to 72) - is that what you are thinking of?
Not just Nest, all of the themorstats in my comparison post do that.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yelped on May 13, 2019, 08:51:44 PM
I would never need them working at the same time. Just has to be able to control both. 2 totally different systems, central AC and underfloor heating.
It seemed to me in the initial setup of the Ecobee 3 Lite that I have, that there was a possibility to connect more than one piece of equipment.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Chosidtravel on May 29, 2019, 01:48:07 AM
New to smart home

What are the best recommendations for hub, Google Alexa, Apple?

Im looking to connect camera with face recognition, door bell, ac smart remot
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Chosidtravel on May 29, 2019, 01:55:12 AM
Sensibo

Anyone have experience with sensibo.?

I heard it's pretty good to control mini splits. But not that cheap of a product. Amazon offer similar product for much cheaper any options?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on May 29, 2019, 09:06:43 AM
New to smart home

What are the best recommendations for hub, Google Alexa, Apple?

Im looking to connect camera with face recognition, door bell, ac smart remot

What do you mean by "hub"? - if you are talking about using your voice to interact with the system -  i.e. Alexa/Google/Siri turn off the light in the kitchen - most of those work fine and pretty much interchangeably - in that many manufacturers enable you to control your device using any one of the 3

If you are talking about hub to control stuff, that's something different entirely. A lot of home automation devices/software communicates with each other using certain protocols. For example, you might see things like Z-Wave, Zigbee, or HomeKit compatible on different switches or devices. The idea is not so much which one is better, but making sure that all of the devices you want are compatible.  Also for the first two you will need a separate hub to control all of the Zigbee/Z-Wave devices. (Amazon Echo Plus has a Zigbee controller built in).

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Chosidtravel on May 29, 2019, 09:10:18 AM
Thanks!

Simple but didn't get it all where can one recommand how to get started to learn about this!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on May 29, 2019, 09:20:35 AM
Thanks!

Simple but didn't get it all where can one recommand how to get started to learn about this!

Start here - https://tribetechreview.com/2017/09/20/lighting-automation-for-shabbat-and-yom-tov/ - not necessarily recommending you go out a buy those specific products, but most of them work in a similar fashion.

Generally speaking the way most of these systems work is that you have a home "hub" that connects to your wi-fi and to all of your locks, switches, etc. Your phone or Alexa/Google will speak to the hub when you want to turn on/off lights, and your hub will also have its own app for your phone that you can use to turn things on and off as well as set schedules - for example, for shabbos and Yom Tov. (The site listed above also shows how you can automatically schedule Yom Tov changes using a calendar).


Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Chosidtravel on June 03, 2019, 06:30:02 AM
If you have led lamp is it even worth it to invest in this product to save light on Shabbes?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on June 03, 2019, 10:40:05 AM
If you have led lamp is it even worth it to invest in this product to save light on Shabbes?

From a purely financial standpoint, probably not. The cost of running a single 12W LED for all of shabbos is likely less than 10 cents.

(My math - 12*25 = 425 Watts - or 0.425 KW - cost per KWh is about 12 cents or so).

In all likelihood, unless you want lights off for shabbos - i.e. the hallway light that will keep your kids up at night, and even if you have a lot of lights in your home, it will still have a payback period of at least a year or maybe two for any automation system.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on July 11, 2019, 01:26:47 PM
Heating and cooling are on separate systems with 2 thermostats. Do any of these devices allow you to buy 2 and have them work together?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on July 11, 2019, 02:44:52 PM
Heating and cooling are on separate systems with 2 thermostats. Do any of these devices allow you to buy 2 and have them work together?

You *could*, but as my wife would say - that's a patchke arbeit.  I believe that it is possible to combine your two thermostats into one with many of these, but you'd have to research with that company's support folks.

For example, I found this on Nest: https://www.nest-community.com/s/question/0D51W00005Wzi5TSAR/can-i-wire-my-two-thermostats-into-one-radiant-heat-and-separate-ac

If you really wanted to, you could essentially install two separate thermostats and have different schedules for each - but why would you? Is there ever a situation where you're running both heat and AC at the same time?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on July 11, 2019, 03:06:15 PM
You *could*, but as my wife would say - that's a patchke arbeit.  I believe that it is possible to combine your two thermostats into one with many of these, but you'd have to research with that company's support folks.

For example, I found this on Nest: https://www.nest-community.com/s/question/0D51W00005Wzi5TSAR/can-i-wire-my-two-thermostats-into-one-radiant-heat-and-separate-ac

If you really wanted to, you could essentially install two separate thermostats and have different schedules for each - but why would you? Is there ever a situation where you're running both heat and AC at the same time?
My research since I posted has said that it's not very expensive to get the wires re-routed to the other location so that both systems run on the same thermostat. Is that why you're suggesting too?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on July 11, 2019, 05:06:38 PM
My research since I posted has said that it's not very expensive to get the wires re-routed to the other location so that both systems run on the same thermostat. Is that why you're suggesting too?

I'm not sure I get what you are saying, but it sounds like you are saying that the wiring for your two existing systems is far enough apart that it would be expensive to re-route them. I don't believe that these thermostats work in a way where you can combine two different units into 1 virtual unit, but you could do the following:

- Buy two thermostats
- Label one "Heat" and one "AC"
- Set the "Heat" mode to always be heating
- Set the "AC" mode to always be cooling

Set the schedules as you would for your current system. I would imagine that the heating threshold and cooling threshold would be far enough apart that they wouldn't overlap.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yuneeq on July 11, 2019, 11:11:24 PM
Heating and cooling are on separate systems with 2 thermostats. Do any of these devices allow you to buy 2 and have them work together?

In what way do you need them to work "together"?
If you wanna manage them from the same app, I know ecobee manages multiple thermostats from the same app, I'm sure others do this as well.
So what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on July 12, 2019, 09:35:58 AM
I'm not sure I get what you are saying, but it sounds like you are saying that the wiring for your two existing systems is far enough apart that it would be expensive to re-route them. I don't believe that these thermostats work in a way where you can combine two different units into 1 virtual unit, but you could do the following:

- Buy two thermostats
- Label one "Heat" and one "AC"
- Set the "Heat" mode to always be heating
- Set the "AC" mode to always be cooling

Set the schedules as you would for your current system. I would imagine that the heating threshold and cooling threshold would be far enough apart that they wouldn't overlap.
In what way do you need them to work "together"?
If you wanna manage them from the same app, I know ecobee manages multiple thermostats from the same app, I'm sure others do this as well.
So what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
Correct, they are far apart from each other. Your suggestion seems like it would work. I'm finding out how much it would cost to just move the wires into the same location so I can have just 1 thermostat.

The issues I'm trying to solve are to make sure the ac and heat won't turn on at the same time (seems like Yonah's idea would solve this), 1 app to control both (good to know about ecobee), and save the $ from buying a second one.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: mercaz1 on July 12, 2019, 10:21:00 AM
this is what I have
I have 2 separate Nests
1 for AC and 1 for Heat
they both wok off the same app
its not that big a deal
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on July 12, 2019, 11:56:58 AM
Correct, they are far apart from each other. Your suggestion seems like it would work. I'm finding out how much it would cost to just move the wires into the same location so I can have just 1 thermostat.

The issues I'm trying to solve are to make sure the ac and heat won't turn on at the same time (seems like Yonah's idea would solve this), 1 app to control both (good to know about ecobee), and save the $ from buying a second one.

I believe (but not 100% sure) that there might be a way to add wireless controls to your HVAC. I don't believe that Ecobee/Nest are compatible, but Honeywell might have some thermostats that support this.

When I say wireless, I mean that you hard wire the controls into a wireless transmitter in your HVAC room, and then your thermostat connects wirelessly. Your best bet might be to call nest, honeywell or ecobee to see if they have a solution for this that they support. You'd only need it for one of the two systems, as you could wire in one thermostat, and then wire in the wireless receiver to it as well. i.e. - You put the new thermostat where your current A/C thermostat is, then add a wireless transmitter to your heating wires and a wireless receiver to the heating control inputs on your new thermostat.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on July 16, 2019, 04:15:34 PM
this is what I have
I have 2 separate Nests
1 for AC and 1 for Heat
they both wok off the same app
its not that big a deal
Thank you!!

I believe (but not 100% sure) that there might be a way to add wireless controls to your HVAC. I don't believe that Ecobee/Nest are compatible, but Honeywell might have some thermostats that support this.

When I say wireless, I mean that you hard wire the controls into a wireless transmitter in your HVAC room, and then your thermostat connects wirelessly. Your best bet might be to call nest, honeywell or ecobee to see if they have a solution for this that they support. You'd only need it for one of the two systems, as you could wire in one thermostat, and then wire in the wireless receiver to it as well. i.e. - You put the new thermostat where your current A/C thermostat is, then add a wireless transmitter to your heating wires and a wireless receiver to the heating control inputs on your new thermostat.
Thanks for this idea. I'll be getting a quote from my electrician this week I hope. If he's more than $200 to rewire, I'll just buy a second thermostat.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on July 29, 2019, 01:43:37 PM
Update:
My electrician said it isn't possible to wire the 2 systems together. My HVAC guy said you wouldn't want to. When they're 2 separate systems, you want the AC thermostat to be upstairs where it's hotter and you want the heat thermostat to be downstairs where it's colder. While that makes sense, I'm a bit confused as to how a single system works - the thermostat can only be in 1 place. Nowadays you can say that the sensors help, but before smart thermostats, did the old systems also have sensors throughout the house?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: grodnoking on July 29, 2019, 02:26:31 PM
Update:
My electrician said it isn't possible to wire the 2 systems together. My HVAC guy said you wouldn't want to. When they're 2 separate systems, you want the AC thermostat to be upstairs where it's hotter and you want the heat thermostat to be downstairs where it's colder. While that makes sense, I'm a bit confused as to how a single system works - the thermostat can only be in 1 place. Nowadays you can say that the sensors help, but before smart thermostats, did the old systems also have sensors throughout the house?

No. Before smart sensors PEOPLE were smart. They knew that if the heat thermostat was on 68 downstairs itll be 71 upstairs.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on October 04, 2019, 06:58:12 AM
Seems like a good deal on ecobee 4 for $118 - https://www.lowes.com/pd/ecobee-4-Thermostat-with-Wi-Fi-Compatibility/1000203625

Does ecobee 4 have any Shabbos issues that are different than ecobee 3? Seems like it's the same plus you don't need the piece of tape. @Dan is the only thing you didn't like about it the fact that turning off Alexa gives you a red status bar? (which is not a Shabbos issue, more of a preference)
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 06, 2019, 03:33:43 AM
Seems like a good deal on ecobee 4 for $118 - https://www.lowes.com/pd/ecobee-4-Thermostat-with-Wi-Fi-Compatibility/1000203625

Does ecobee 4 have any Shabbos issues that are different than ecobee 3? Seems like it's the same plus you don't need the piece of tape. @Dan is the only thing you didn't like about it the fact that turning off Alexa gives you a red status bar? (which is not a Shabbos issue, more of a preference)
Showing up as $199 for my location. Costco has for $169 online.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 06, 2019, 03:34:24 AM
Sensibo

Anyone have experience with sensibo.?

I heard it's pretty good to control mini splits. But not that cheap of a product. Amazon offer similar product for much cheaper any options?
I bought one, but haven't installed yet
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 06, 2019, 03:36:11 AM
In the wsj. Why it needs to be so expensive is hard to understand

By Cecilie Rohwedder
Oct. 2, 2019 10:25 am ET
Every Friday night, as Shabbat starts in Jay and Lauren Hofstatter’s home in Boca Raton, Fla., all televisions automatically shut down, ground-floor lights come on and bedroom lights switch off. A cozy home theater, closed off during the week, is programmed to unlock—not for watching television but for family time after the evening meal.

The system will respond when Yom Kippur, the highest Jewish holiday, begins on the evening of Oct. 8. Linked to a cloud-based Hebrew calendar, it will set lighting and electronics to a “no touch” mode, because Orthodox Judaism bans handling lights and electronics on religious holidays and Shabbat.

“I love technology,” says Mr. Hofstatter, 34 years old and president of online retailer Daily Sale, based in Pompano Beach, Fla. “When we decided to go with a home-automation system, we knew there had to be something out there that adapts to the Jewish lifestyle.”

The living room combines an old-world fireplace with more glamorous old Hollywood accents, says Christine Sullivan, the designer.
The living room combines an old-world fireplace with more glamorous old Hollywood accents, says Christine Sullivan, the designer.PHOTO: ZAK BENNETT FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

Much of the Hofstatters’ 2-year-old home has been designed for their Orthodox Jewish life: With eight bedrooms and seven baths, the 8,800-square-foot house is big enough for the couple’s eight children. It is a short walk from the synagogue to prevent long treks in the Florida heat on Shabbat, when driving is prohibited. And its home-automation system is so advanced that the motion detectors turn off on Shabbat to prevent the system from responding to different movements by family members that would activate the network.

Use of technology fine-tuned to support highly specialized needs reflects the growing sophistication in home systems. So-called smart homes—with easy, electronic control of lighting, temperature, shades and security—are becoming complex bespoke systems that fit homeowners’ individual habits and lifestyles.

Chowmain Software & Apps, an Australia-based software developer that built the software connecting the Hofstatters’ system to the Hebrew calendar, also offers a version for Muslim homeowners who want to program their homes to notify them of the call to prayer five times a day.

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Jay and Lauren Hofstatter—she is now 33—moved to Boca Raton in January 2007 from Brooklyn, N.Y. Newly married and pregnant with their oldest daughter, Deena, they initially chose a rental house near the Boca Raton synagogue but, as their family grew, moved three more times before deciding to build.

One of the home’s eight bedrooms.
One of the home’s eight bedrooms.PHOTO: ZAK BENNETT FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

A guest bedroom in the Hofstatter home.
A guest bedroom in the Hofstatter home.PHOTO: ZAK BENNETT FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

The children’s bedrooms have themes. The boys’ room is about space.
The children’s bedrooms have themes. The boys’ room is about space. PHOTO: ZAK BENNETT FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

In one daughter’s bedroom, the walls are hand-painted with vintage-style flowers.
In one daughter’s bedroom, the walls are hand-painted with vintage-style flowers.PHOTO: ZAK BENNETT FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

In July 2010, they bought a one-third acre lot for $440,000, according to real-estate website Zillow, razed the dated house on it and started a 13-month construction project, briefly interrupted by a hurricane. Smart-home wiring began when the house was little more than a shell of concrete-block walls. Juan Apraez, chief technology officer at All Digital, a home-automation company in Weston, Fla., spent hours with Mr. Hofstatter to grasp the family’s numerous specific needs before researching and installing the $250,000 system.

“We have to have a very intimate connection with the client to understand how they live and what they want,” says marketing director Maria Eraso Taylor, who is married to Mr. Apraez and owns the business with him. “This is not like someone laying a new floor.”

When the $2.5 million Mediterranean-style house was finished in 2017, with different colors, themes and hand-painted ceilings in each of the kids’ rooms, the home-automation system was set to a tight schedule.

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As Shabbat and holidays begin at sunset and ground-floor lights switch on, those in the master bedroom—also on the ground floor—go off. One exception: a reading lamp that goes on and then is shut off at midnight when the parents go to sleep. Upstairs bedrooms enter a “good-night mode” that turns bedroom lights off and bathroom lights on.

Now, Mr. Hofstatter is planning another tweak to the system: programming speakers throughout the house to alert the family before the customary candle lighting at the start of Shabbat. Mr. Hofstatter got the idea from his hometown of Brooklyn, where sirens go off in Jewish neighborhoods, one 15 minutes before Shabbat and one immediately before. He is still deciding whether his should be an announcement or a musical chime
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 06, 2019, 03:47:14 AM
Any thoughts on best smart light switches / hub for a shomer Shabos home?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2019, 10:44:11 AM
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: grodnoking on October 06, 2019, 11:03:22 AM
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.
That's the price of making the home smart to begin with. I know of a similar sized home that just for thier electronics system was $70,000 just for the system and wiring put into the walls, not including any post installation costs (like programming all the devices in the house into it etc. ((And for this house coding to get it to work for shabbos)).
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on October 06, 2019, 11:13:23 AM
That's the price of making the home smart to begin with. I know of a similar sized home that just for thier electronics system was $70,000 just for the system and wiring put into the walls, not including any post installation costs (like programming all the devices in the house into it etc. ((And for this house coding to get it to work for shabbos)).
Because they probably don't have wifi
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2019, 11:22:49 AM
That's the price of making the home smart to begin with. I know of a similar sized home that just for thier electronics system was $70,000 just for the system and wiring put into the walls, not including any post installation costs (like programming all the devices in the house into it etc. ((And for this house coding to get it to work for shabbos)).
Which part of spending $70K or $250K to control some lights is remotely smart?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: grodnoking on October 06, 2019, 11:25:35 AM
Which part of spending $70K or $250K to control some lights is remotely smart?
These systems control everything, from TV's to AC to your window shades, and even things you didnt know can be smart.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2019, 11:29:53 AM
These systems control everything, from TV's to AC to your window shades, and even things you didnt know can be smart.
All things that can be done with your phone for free.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: aygart on October 06, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
All things that can be done with your phone for free.
That must be it. They probably only have flip phones.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2019, 11:37:45 AM
That must be it. They probably only have flip phones.
Surely there's a heter for hefsid meruba :D
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yoohoo on October 06, 2019, 11:56:51 AM
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.
money clearly wasn’t an issue...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 06, 2019, 03:42:42 PM
Any thoughts on best smart light switches / hub for a shomer Shabos home?
@TribeTechReview are you still recommending wink hub? Or smartthings? Or just a bunch of wifi switches? I like the idea of grouping and routines, and rocker less switches.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on October 06, 2019, 03:44:27 PM
I recommend smartthings and either smart bulbs or switches depending on your needs and preferences. I have been running this setup for over 4 years.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 06, 2019, 03:45:04 PM
I recommend smartthings and either smart bulbs or switches depending on your needs and preferences. I have been running this setup for over 4 years.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on October 06, 2019, 03:48:20 PM
Thank you!
My pleasure, feel free to ask any questions. I have sensors, smarts plugs, thermostat, builds, switches and more.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on October 07, 2019, 10:24:23 AM
Any thoughts on best smart light switches / hub for a shomer Shabos home?

I think that most of the answers to this question are subjective. I have personally been using Z-Wave switches for about 15 years and Wink as my hub for about 5 years, with minimal issues. (i.e. I can only think of 1-2 times in the last decade or so where something happened that my lights didn't turn on/off a scheduled on Shabbos or Yom Tov). I chose Z-Wave initially in the early 2000s (moving there from X-10 switches, which always had issues) because it was one of the first Mesh-based wireless systems that allowed you to control all of your lights with one controller. As smartphones and app-based home automation became more mainstream I upgraded to Wink, because I didn't want to completely replace my switches.

That being said, I think if I had to do it again from scratch, I'd probably chose Zigbee switches (which are slightly cheaper) and then use an Amazon Echo Plus for the hub. Yes - I know you can't use Alexa on Shabbos, but the Alexa plus has a built-in Zigbee hub that can control your devices, and while the scheduling UI might be a little Wonky, you really only need to change it around Yomim Tovim. I'd also prefer having one less device to plug in around the house.

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on October 07, 2019, 10:29:33 AM
I think that most of the answers to this question are subjective. I have personally been using Z-Wave switches for about 15 years and Wink as my hub for about 5 years, with minimal issues. (i.e. I can only think of 1-2 times in the last decade or so where something happened that my lights didn't turn on/off a scheduled on Shabbos or Yom Tov). I chose Z-Wave initially in the early 2000s (moving there from X-10 switches, which always had issues) because it was one of the first Mesh-based wireless systems that allowed you to control all of your lights with one controller. As smartphones and app-based home automation became more mainstream I upgraded to Wink, because I didn't want to completely replace my switches.

That being said, I think if I had to do it again from scratch, I'd probably chose Zigbee switches (which are slightly cheaper) and then use an Amazon Echo Plus for the hub. Yes - I know you can't use Alexa on Shabbos, but the Alexa plus has a built-in Zigbee hub that can control your devices, and while the scheduling UI might be a little Wonky, you really only need to change it around Yomim Tovim. I'd also prefer having one less device to plug in around the house.
But using alexa would be so limiting, and zigbee and a smaller range than zwave. I also find that there are more zwave products than zigbee. I personally advocate for something like smartthings b/c of the flexibility on radios and customizations.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on October 07, 2019, 10:31:36 AM
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.

As others have pointed out this is probably a figure that includes almost all of the Electrical infrastructure in the house as well as a lot of the original electronics.

I have a lot of automation in my house which is slightly less than 1/3 of the size of the house in the article, if I add everything up - switches, thermostats, locks, hubs cameras, etc. - The current cost of an identical system would be about $2-2.5k.

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on October 07, 2019, 10:35:26 AM
But using alexa would be so limiting, and zigbee and a smaller range than zwave. I also find that there are more zwave products than zigbee. I personally advocate for something like smartthings b/c of the flexibility on radios and customizations.

I guess it depends on the size of your house. I would agree that there are more z-wave compatible devices out there, but do you just want lighting (as OP originally requested) or the gantze gemainder - locks, garage doors, thermostats, etc.

I also think that you need to worry about fragmentation. If I have connected thermostats, am I going to use them with their proprietary app (a la Nest/Ecobee) or with my hub app (Wink/Smarttings).
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on October 07, 2019, 10:47:27 AM
I guess it depends on the size of your house. I would agree that there are more z-wave compatible devices out there, but do you just want lighting (as OP originally requested) or the gantze gemainder - locks, garage doors, thermostats, etc.

I also think that you need to worry about fragmentation. If I have connected thermostats, am I going to use them with their proprietary app (a la Nest/Ecobee) or with my hub app (Wink/Smarttings).
Unfortunately in smart homes there is no such thing as just lighting lol. You start with one and then you expand from there. In terms of apps, I do use the ecobee app for scheduling but I set it once and forget it. I prefer having it connected to smartthings so I can use the room sensors to control my AC switches in the summer. When I look for a product I see if I can do everything within smartthings, if yes I buy it, even if I may end up using their app from time to time.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: grodnoking on October 07, 2019, 10:56:12 AM
Any good smart switches for a split unit ac that is directly connected to the power supply (no plug).
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 07, 2019, 11:49:10 AM
Any good smart switches for a split unit ac that is directly connected to the power supply (no plug).
Possibly the sensibo mentioned above. Don't think anyone has actually installed it yet, but I have one in the box
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: thaber on October 07, 2019, 11:51:01 AM
I guess it depends on the size of your house. I would agree that there are more z-wave compatible devices out there, but do you just want lighting (as OP originally requested) or the gantze gemainder - locks, garage doors, thermostats, etc.

I also think that you need to worry about fragmentation. If I have connected thermostats, am I going to use them with their proprietary app (a la Nest/Ecobee) or with my hub app (Wink/Smarttings).
Unfortunately in smart homes there is no such thing as just lighting lol. You start with one and then you expand from there. In terms of apps, I do use the ecobee app for scheduling but I set it once and forget it. I prefer having it connected to smartthings so I can use the room sensors to control my AC switches in the summer. When I look for a product I see if I can do everything within smartthings, if yes I buy it, even if I may end up using their app from time to time.
Thank you both. I do indeed already have ecobees, cameras, entry system and alarm
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yuneeq on October 07, 2019, 06:42:47 PM
Spending $250K for a shabbos smart home is officially jumping the shark. I'm not even sure it's worth 1/100th of that.

Everything mentioned can be done for a few hundred bucks.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 28, 2019, 10:43:59 PM
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on October 29, 2019, 08:47:03 AM
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?

- I don't think that there's a single lock that's both Electronic / Manual
- One of the biggest shabbos problems that you will find is that some of the locks that combine a keypad with a mechanical lock, are also generally logging manual open/close (whether with a key or the inside knob).

@TribeTechReview wrote a two-part article with some ideas and options - one of his suggestions that I liked - if your home has more than one door, put a mechanical lock on one and an electronic lock on the other.

https://tribetechreview.com/2017/10/26/are-smart-locks-shabbat-compatible/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: grodnoking on October 29, 2019, 10:04:25 AM
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
One thing I think I saw someone on this forum try to put together is a manual lock with a smart door reinforcer.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 02, 2019, 08:42:28 PM
I'm thinking two locks...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: dsw193 on November 03, 2019, 10:03:14 AM
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
I have no experience whatsoever; but: I would  look into the August smart Lock (pro?) Paired with a combination lock. And I would disable the hub on Shabbat automatically so that it is not able to log entry.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Therebbesbocher on November 03, 2019, 01:05:19 PM
Can't read the whole thread now so sorry if already discussed... - looking for a smart wifi combination lock that also has a manual shabbos combination lock.

Does such a thing exist? Any other recommended shabbos/smart locks?
One option I've seen people have is an electronic lock on the door itself and the door jamb has a combination lock (similar to an electric buzzer)
But I haven't found anything online like that so you may need to speak to a locksmith. It also doesn't work if you want a key specifically

Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on November 11, 2019, 02:52:43 PM
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one (https://marketplace.pseg.com/emerson-sensi-classic-smart-thermostat/I-EMRSENSIP-01-WHIT-XXXX-V2.html)...
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 11, 2019, 05:11:03 PM
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one (https://marketplace.pseg.com/emerson-sensi-classic-smart-thermostat/I-EMRSENSIP-01-WHIT-XXXX-V2.html)...
I have the ecobee lights (free) but never installed them because I had exactly the same question and comment as you..  didn't do significant research but my understanding is that your analysis is correct
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on November 11, 2019, 05:15:55 PM
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one (https://marketplace.pseg.com/emerson-sensi-classic-smart-thermostat/I-EMRSENSIP-01-WHIT-XXXX-V2.html)...
I have owned the nest and currently own the ecobee. First off I think you are missing some of the "smart" function in there. even if you turn off home/away the thermostat learns from every time you change  the temp. It uses that input data to come up with a "smart schedule. Personally I didnt like it.

You are also missing the point of the remote sensors. You are correct in saying that if you choose all of them in the comfort setting it will avg all of them together. However, this is the way I use it. During the day I have it focus on the thermostat and a remote sensor in the living room. At night I have it look only at the sensors in the bedrooms. This way I avoid heating the dining room when no one is there.

In the ideal world I would have all my sensors know when someone is in the room or not and perform many functions based on that. But alas I don't want to have to remember to turn it off every shabbos.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on November 11, 2019, 05:16:22 PM
I have the ecobee lights (free) but never installed them because I had exactly the same question and comment as you..  didn't do significant research but my understanding is that your analysis is correct
8) if you dont want them I'll take em
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on November 11, 2019, 10:08:53 PM
You are also missing the point of the remote sensors. You are correct in saying that if you choose all of them in the comfort setting it will avg all of them together. However, this is the way I use it. During the day I have it focus on the thermostat and a remote sensor in the living room. At night I have it look only at the sensors in the bedrooms. This way I avoid heating the dining room when no one is there.
That is very interesting. I didn't know it works like that. My bedrooms get too hot, so it would be nice at night to have it only use the bedroom sensor. Thank you!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: EJB on November 11, 2019, 10:15:06 PM
That is very interesting. I didn't know it works like that. My bedrooms get too hot, so it would be nice at night to have it only use the bedroom sensor. Thank you!

Another option is you can adjust the temperature based on your own bedroom "sensor" (any wifi/IFTTT thermostat) via IFTTT. Would work with nest or ecobee. You can set it to operate for specific times (e.g., turn temperature to 3 degrees below what it is normally at if it is a weeknight and bedroom temperature is above 72).
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on November 11, 2019, 10:17:50 PM
Also someone pointed out that I can manually test for a few nights (just like I mentioned above for day time) and learn what temperature is comfortable in the rooms at night and then just use the schedule mode on any tstat to have it set at X temp by day (whatever is comfortable in the living spaces) and X temp by night (whatever is comfortable in the bedrooms). So that defeats that benefit of the sensors.

Now I think it comes down to the true reason to buy a nest/ecobee... because I want a cool toy.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on November 11, 2019, 10:18:46 PM
Is this correct? If you have to disable the "smart" features of the Nest / ecobee for Shabbos every week, then you have essentially killed the thermostat's "smartness", right? It no longer can learn when you're home/away, etc. to have better energy usage.

Then if so, I would think the only useful features of a smart tstat are:
1) the ability to set a schedule and turn it on and off from your phone/Alexa, and
2) the room sensors (which seem to just average out the temp, and therefore you can also just manually play with your temperature for a few days until you learn what temp makes your whole house as comfortable as possible)

In that case, why not just be a cheaper smart tstat? A honeywell, or even this $4 one (https://marketplace.pseg.com/emerson-sensi-classic-smart-thermostat/I-EMRSENSIP-01-WHIT-XXXX-V2.html)...
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on November 11, 2019, 10:20:15 PM
Also someone pointed out that I can manually test for a few nights (just like I mentioned above for day time) and learn what temperature is comfortable in the rooms at night and then just use the schedule mode on any tstat to have it set at X temp by day (whatever is comfortable in the living spaces) and X temp by night (whatever is comfortable in the bedrooms). So that defeats that benefit of the sensors.

Now I think it comes down to the true reason to buy a nest/ecobee... because I want a cool toy.
that only works if you test at different outside Temps. Your room will react differently if it's 50° or 15°. Having the ecobee just read the bedroom sensor and ru. The heat only in that is really a game changing feature. It took nest years to get a remote sensor and I'm not even sure it does all the same things.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on November 11, 2019, 10:26:59 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/more/dans-commentary/smart-thermostat-get-cyber-monday-experiences-trying-find-perfect-one/
Yes, I've read it before. Seems like sensors are the main reason to get ecobee/nest vs. non-name brand one, and even still you can likely learn your schedule yourself to know what to set temp at (as our parents and grandparents did for decades :P) but they're cheap enough now that I think I can splurge for a toy.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Dan on November 11, 2019, 10:38:10 PM
Ecobee is light years better than nest.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: churnbabychurn on November 11, 2019, 11:16:56 PM
Yes, I've read it before. Seems like sensors are the main reason to get ecobee/nest vs. non-name brand one, and even still you can likely learn your schedule yourself to know what to set temp at (as our parents and grandparents did for decades :P) but they're cheap enough now that I think I can splurge for a toy.
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Medic97 on November 11, 2019, 11:32:03 PM
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.
So my sukkah lights didn't go off the first days. Once it's all set up it's golden. And whether it's true or not I feel like I'm saving money in electric.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Luvisrael on November 11, 2019, 11:55:34 PM
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.
same here. Also don’t like getting hacked
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: yuneeq on November 12, 2019, 02:16:52 AM
I don’t know if people do this but with my ecobee I like that I can move the sensors around instead of fiddling with AC/heat constantly. Wife cooking in the kitchen during summer, I move sensor to kitchen. Cooking during winter, I move it to a colder room.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: Yonah on November 12, 2019, 08:28:04 AM
A toy is all fun and games until it decides to do something unpredictable on a 3 day YT... I prefer controlling things myself.

Toy is probably not far off the mark. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the convenience of the home automation - not just for Shabbos/YT, but also during the week. But I also hate the idea of fragmentation. While we have things like Wink, Smarthings, and Homekit, etc. to consolidate controls, they really are a hodgepodge of technologies. I'm sure that eventually I'd be able to settle on a single EcoSystem, but at what expense? At this point I am not going to replace all of my lights, themostats, etc.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: @Yehuda on November 14, 2019, 10:42:31 PM
Toy is probably not far off the mark. Don't get me wrong, I prefer the convenience of the home automation - not just for Shabbos/YT, but also during the week. But I also hate the idea of fragmentation. While we have things like Wink, Smarthings, and Homekit, etc. to consolidate controls, they really are a hodgepodge of technologies. I'm sure that eventually I'd be able to settle on a single EcoSystem, but at what expense? At this point I am not going to replace all of my lights, themostats, etc.
Everything I have so far, I can use Alexa for. Haven’t found it to be a hodgepodge.
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: ckuttner on December 29, 2019, 05:02:53 PM
I'd like to follow up on the post quoted below.

We have a locally-monitored alarm system. Weekdays, it is a door-entry, house-intrusion, and fire alarm system. Motion sensors light up when we walk within the house, a light comes on on the panel when we open an outside door, etc. Before Shabbos, I unplug the AC to the alarm and disconnect the backup battery. Motzeh Shabbos, I hook it back up.
    Sometimes I have to deal with an error message as the battery recharges. In addition, we have no remotely-monitored fire alarm on Shabbos.

I'd like to have a system that is professionally monitored; for example, if we're visiting elsewhere on a Shabbos, I'd like someone to call the police if there's a break-in, or the fire dept. if there's a fire.

And we're not really eager to have Google+ or Alexa monitoring our lives. I have been pretty happy with our current alarm company but they don't really want me to modify our panel.
   I'm wondering about options including Xfinity Home [we already have them as our ISP] or SimpliSafe. Do either of those provide options for changed monitoring over Shabbos?
  Thanks in advance...
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Does anybody know of a smart alarm system that can be set on a timer so it works friday night?

I have been reading through the forums and it seems like everyone's solution for Shabbos is to disable their security systems and cameras over Shabbos. I want to be able to have the alarm set for Friday night (probably midnight to 6am). Is there a smart security system that allows this?

I am in the market for a security system and want to know what people do for Shabbos if they are interested in securing their home over Friday night. I currently have Frontpoint but want to get rid of it before the 30 day cancellation period is up and I get locked into a contract. Been thinking about getting Ring. TIA!
Title: Re: Smart homes
Post by: EJB on December 29, 2019, 11:24:08 PM
I just started using simplisafe. What I did was:
1. Soldered LED indicator on entry sensors. The sensors still work, but do not flash a light
2. Made a simple .exe that turns most sensors (aside for glass break and windows that I dont open) off every Friday @ 4pm, and back on after shabbos
(the .exe logs into my account at that time and presses the button for that action).

So far, so good :).

With this setup, you can time it to be on overnight. However, if for whatever reason your computer shuts off, it may fail to turn off putting you in a sticky situation. You can always have a backup computer just in case set for a few minutes later and can set retries.