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Title: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: SearchGuy on May 09, 2017, 12:47:16 PM
If yes who will win?

(Amazon buying Walmart.com for 1 trillion dollors?... ;D)
I would buy Walmart shares...
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 12:52:48 PM
It will definitely end, as it is clearly unsustainable. The only questions are:

1. How will it end?
2. How long until it ends?
3. What impact (if any) might this have on macro-economic data?
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: jj1000 on May 09, 2017, 12:55:57 PM
What's the limit on this? Bezos can pretty much do whatever he wants I think, but Lore must have a cap from the CEO of how much he can spend on this. A couple billion I'd assume?

If that's the case this can easily go on all year. Guess I should invest in a caffeine IV next to my desk.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 12:58:15 PM
What's the limit on this? Bezos can pretty much do whatever he wants I think, but Lore must have a cap from the CEO of how much he can spend on this. A couple billion I'd assume?

If that's the case this can easily go on all year. Guess I should invest in a caffeine IV next to my desk.
Bezos has shareholders.

Lore seems to have been given a very long leash, if any.

I recently read that some exercise (IINM it was going up and down steps) is more effective in keeping one awake and alert than caffeine.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: davidmal on May 09, 2017, 12:58:57 PM
If that's the case this can easily go on all year. Guess I should invest in a caffeine IV next to my desk.
https://www.deathwishcoffee.com
"Strong Enough to Wake the Dead"
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 01:00:44 PM
I don't think the huge pickup discounts will last that long, it looks like an error to me that could be fixed within a few days. The illogical price matching might last a long time though.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:00:59 PM
https://www.deathwishcoffee.com
"Strong Enough to Wake the Dead"
Needs to go on sale  ;D
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: aygart on May 09, 2017, 01:03:18 PM
Walmart already won. Neither one is going to put the other out of business. Walmart's purpose is to make themselves a full fledged competition with Amazon. Mission accomplished. The question is how long they will continue it for added publicity.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:03:37 PM
I don't think the huge pickup discounts will last that long, it looks like an error to me that could be fixed within a few days. The illogical price matching might last a long time though.
-1

The pickup discounts are a competitive advantage. Walmart has a huge local footprint, and they save on shipping by shipping to stores.

Walmart also penalizes their vendors for not shipping/packing/labeling as per specs. A vendor can get a $100 fine on a $10 order which wasn't exactly per specs.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 01:04:39 PM
-1

The pickup discounts are a competitive advantage. Walmart has a huge local footprint, and they save on shipping by shipping to stores.

Walmart also penalizes their vendors for not shipping/packing/labeling as per specs. A vendor can get a $100 fine on a $10 order which wasn't exactly per specs.

I think pickup discounts will stay, but not the 90% off pickup discounts, that's just a mistake. Until today the discount was much more logical.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:05:27 PM
Walmart already won. Neither one is going to put the other out of business. Walmart's purpose is to make themselves a full fledged competition with Amazon. Mission accomplished. The question is how long they will continue it for added publicity.
Too early to call this one.

Publicity? Yes. Full fledged competition? I wouldn't call it that. Amazon is way ahead of them from a technological and end user experience standpoint.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Sport on May 09, 2017, 01:05:59 PM
Walmart already won. Neither one is going to put the other out of business. Walmart's purpose is to make themselves a full fledged competition with Amazon. Mission accomplished. The question is how long they will continue it for added publicity.
Great point. I never would have even thought of purchasing these things at Walmart, let alone creating an account. Clearly they are the winner.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: elit on May 09, 2017, 01:06:12 PM
I'm not sold that they really are losing anything here. it seems like the fake "price mistake". they both are getting a lot of attention and people are grabbing items feeling like they are gaining on a corporate battle. just seems like a good marketing plan to me
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:06:30 PM
I think pickup discounts will stay, but not the 90% off pickup discounts, that's just a mistake. Until today the discount was much more logical.
It's doorbusters. Limited quantity, drives traffic and awareness.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 01:08:07 PM
It's doorbusters. Limited quantity, drives traffic and awareness.

Except these are much cheaper than the doorbusters you see on Black Friday, and it doesn't apply to all colors. Just seems like a random error to me.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Sport on May 09, 2017, 01:08:41 PM
I'm not sold that they really are losing anything here. it seems like the fake "price mistake". they both are getting a lot of attention and people are grabbing items feeling like they are gaining on a corporate battle. just seems like a good marketing plan to me
Umm, $10 for a rocker that sells for over $150 everywhere else is definitely a lose somewhere.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2017, 01:08:57 PM
I think pickup discounts will stay, but not the 90% off pickup discounts, that's just a mistake. Until today the discount was much more logical.
If Amazon keeps matching the pickup discounts then WM has no incentive to offer it.
I'm not sure how that ends.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:09:54 PM
I'm not sold that they really are losing anything here. it seems like the fake "price mistake". they both are getting a lot of attention and people are grabbing items feeling like they are gaining on a corporate battle. just seems like a good marketing plan to me
You remind me of the Allstate young girls Whole Life policy of a little over a year ago. That one was definitely a price mistake, but it led to unmatched life insurance sales from a company that's not really big or great in that line. At some point, it became a little too big, and they cut it short. It wasn't designed to be what it is, but when it was discovered, it was used by certain managers to promote sales, and then the Yiddish market caught on, peppered up by DDF, until they were forced to kill it a drop before the original deadline.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:11:09 PM
Umm, $10 for a rocker that sells for over $150 everywhere else is definitely a lose somewhere.
I wonder if WM is targeting suppliers that are more likely to get fined, so WM's cost is actually lowered by supplier incompetence.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 01:13:42 PM
If Amazon keeps matching the pickup discounts then WM has no incentive to offer it.
I'm not sure how that ends.

Walmart is price matching Amazon either way, so once they're selling at that super-low price there's no reason not to offer the pickup discount.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2017, 01:14:20 PM
Walmart is price matching Amazon either way, so once they're selling at that super-low price there's no reason not to offer the pickup discount.
Except that Amazon undercuts them by matching the pickup discount, which means people will order from Amazon.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 01:19:29 PM
Except that Amazon undercuts them by matching the pickup discount, which means people will order from Amazon.

Amazon has far more to lose.
They are shipping huge oversized items (which many of the deals were for) at expedited speed. Walmart is losing far, far less per sale. Then also have Walmart purchasing merchandise at cheaper prices than Amazon. If Amazon will continue matching these crazy prices Walmart may as well feed them deals that will cause Amazon to lose billions if they decide to go that far. Not really that difficult for Walmart to pull off.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: aygart on May 09, 2017, 01:22:47 PM
Too early to call this one.

Publicity? Yes. Full fledged competition? I wouldn't call it that. Amazon is way ahead of them from a technological and end user experience standpoint.
True, but over the long term this will put them on the map as a seller of products other than the typical walmart stuff if they continue it long enough. Do they have work to do still? yes.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 01:23:07 PM
Just think about it- Walmart has a couch with 3 in stock in Texas, and that's it. Create a huge pickup discount of 99% off so it's priced at $5. Wait for Amazon to match and sell a couple hundred grand worth of couches at a price that's less than the cost of shipping. Would be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: jj1000 on May 09, 2017, 01:27:55 PM
I think pickup discounts will stay, but not the 90% off pickup discounts, that's just a mistake. Until today the discount was much more logical.
I agree with this prediction. I also agree any attention Walmart gets to be seen as an actual deals site is a win for them, and of course getting foot traffic in their stores is a win as well.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Dan on May 09, 2017, 01:28:44 PM
Amazon has far more to lose.
They are shipping huge oversized items (which many of the deals were for) at expedited speed. Walmart is losing far, far less per sale. Then also have Walmart purchasing merchandise at cheaper prices than Amazon. If Amazon will continue matching these crazy prices Walmart may as well feed them deals that will cause Amazon to lose billions if they decide to go that far. Not really that difficult for Walmart to pull off.
True. Interesting strategy. Still going to cost them both big time.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 01:34:32 PM
One thing being accomplished is a refresh of Sukkah furniture.  :)
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: etech0 on May 09, 2017, 01:35:18 PM
time to break out the Discover card
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: asd on May 09, 2017, 01:41:10 PM
How do you find the deals in this war?
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: jj1000 on May 09, 2017, 02:08:12 PM
How do you find the deals in this war?
DD .com or DDF .com
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 09, 2017, 02:16:20 PM
True. Interesting strategy. Still going to cost them both big time.

It seems like each day Walmart is becoming increasingly more relevant than ever in the ecommerce space. If they spend billions to get millions of customers to create accounts and get used to free (2 day) shipping for orders over $35 it will be a huge win. OTOH Amazon has to outspend WM and the main benefit is retaining their (huge) customer base.

Please God give Walmart the strength to continue this battle.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: tageed-lee on May 09, 2017, 02:20:22 PM
DD .com or DDF .com

ALOL
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: jj1000 on May 09, 2017, 02:34:31 PM
It seems like each day Walmart is becoming increasingly more relevant than ever in the ecommerce space. If they spend billions to get millions of customers to create accounts and get used to free (2 day) shipping for orders over $35 it will be a huge win. OTOH Amazon has to outspend WM and the main benefit is retaining their (huge) customer base.

Please God give Walmart the strength to continue this battle.
We are watching what economist will surely be teaching in Colleges in a couple decades from now in text books.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 02:37:18 PM
The DD franchise is definitely benefiting from it.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: as2 on May 09, 2017, 02:38:51 PM
We are watching what economist will surely be teaching in Colleges in a couple decades from now in text books.
Ha. Text books? Decades from now? I doubt they'll still be using text books then.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Sport on May 09, 2017, 02:41:00 PM
The DD franchise is definitely benefiting from it.
True, I haven't been so glued to DDF since the delta glitch  :P.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 09, 2017, 02:45:31 PM
True, I haven't been so glued to DDF since the delta glitch  :P.
It's the click-throughs and the publicity that count.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: as2 on May 09, 2017, 02:54:15 PM
It's the click-throughs and the publicity that count.
No for me...
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: rs242 on May 10, 2017, 08:18:12 PM
It seems like each day Walmart is becoming increasingly more relevant than ever in the ecommerce space. If they spend billions to get millions of customers to create accounts and get used to free (2 day) shipping for orders over $35 it will be a huge win. OTOH Amazon has to outspend WM and the main benefit is retaining their (huge) customer base.

Please God give Walmart the strength to continue this battle.
I agree look even ddf equated them with Amazon. Just look at the new Amazon & Walmart deals thread.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Yammer on May 10, 2017, 08:56:41 PM
Just think about it- Walmart has a couch with 3 in stock in Texas, and that's it. Create a huge pickup discount of 99% off so it's priced at $5. Wait for Amazon to match and sell a couple hundred grand worth of couches at a price that's less than the cost of shipping. Would be fun to watch.
Interesting thought, although I doubt that that's their strategy.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: zh cohen on May 10, 2017, 09:37:37 PM
Just think about it- Walmart has a couch with 3 in stock in Texas, and that's it. Create a huge pickup discount of 99% off so it's priced at $5. Wait for Amazon to match and sell a couple hundred grand worth of couches at a price that's less than the cost of shipping. Would be fun to watch.

What if someone orders all three of those couches to be picked up in store in NY?
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: etech0 on May 10, 2017, 09:47:43 PM
What if someone orders all three of those couches to be picked up in store in NY?
Then he could probably sell them to someone else on DDF.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yoohoo on May 14, 2017, 07:52:20 PM
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Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
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one thing I don't understand, all these ship to store orders were shipped using FedEx. Does it really save them by shipping to store?
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: aygart on May 14, 2017, 08:07:06 PM
one thing I don't understand, all these ship to store orders were shipped using FedEx. Does it really save them by shipping to store?
They have a deal with FedEx
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Sport on May 14, 2017, 08:11:08 PM
one thing I don't understand, all these ship to store orders were shipped using FedEx. Does it really save them by shipping to store?
They're Shipping to one location instead of multiple ones.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yoohoo on May 14, 2017, 08:26:35 PM
They're Shipping to one location instead of multiple ones.
and....
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Sport on May 14, 2017, 08:34:23 PM
and....
Much cheaper for FedEx and if
They have a deal with FedEx
Fedex would likely charge them less.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: aygart on May 14, 2017, 08:34:57 PM
They did the FedEx method
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 14, 2017, 08:54:14 PM
one thing I don't understand, all these ship to store orders were shipped using FedEx. Does it really save them by shipping to store?

They ship it with FedEx on a few pallets.
Much cheaper than shipping individually.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 14, 2017, 08:56:29 PM
Fedex would likely charge them less.

If they have a deal with FedEx, those rates would work to any location.
It's shipping pallets that makes it real cheap.
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: Sport on May 14, 2017, 09:03:02 PM
Whatever,  point is we know Wal-Mart is saving money and its not too difficult to imagine how.
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Post by: SearchGuy on May 14, 2017, 10:41:15 PM
If they have a deal with FedEx, those rates would work to any location.
It's shipping pallets that makes it real cheap.
driver makes the route in one hour, can use any truck don't have to use the special truck, driver can do several trucks to several Walmart locations within the same area
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: ExGingi on May 14, 2017, 10:50:33 PM
They're Shipping to one location instead of multiple ones.

And how does anyone explain Amazon shipping 4 oversized boxes to my house? Do they not get charged based on dimensional weight? Label seems to say 25lbs. for a 2 or 3 lbs. item.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=78323.msg1733139#msg1733139
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: yuneeq on May 14, 2017, 11:59:42 PM
And how does anyone explain Amazon shipping 4 oversized boxes to my house? Do they not get charged based on dimensional weight? Label seems to say 25lbs. for a 2 or 3 lbs. item.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=78323.msg1733139#msg1733139

That's what WM wanted Amazon to do
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: skyguy918 on June 16, 2017, 04:59:35 PM
http://www.slate.com/articles/business/moneybox/2017/06/amazon_s_purchase_of_whole_foods_is_about_the_last_mile_problem.html
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: stooges44 on February 28, 2020, 11:42:10 AM
https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/2/27/21154357/walmart-plus-walmart-grocery-delivery-unlimited-membership-amazon-prime
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: gingyguy on February 28, 2020, 12:41:34 PM
Any way we can get that war started again?
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Post by: stooges44 on February 28, 2020, 12:47:34 PM
Any way we can get that war started again?

That would be awesome! I still have this rocker (https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/walmart/hurry-baby-relax-tinsley-rocker-grayme-for-just-15-09-with-109-89-walmart-in-store-pickup-discount/) and the table (https://www.dansdeals.com/shopping-deals/walmart/smoking-hot-60-round-bi-fold-granite-white-plastic-folding-table-for-7-16-after-56-10-walmart-in-store-pickup-discount/)

Good times!
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Post by: stooges44 on June 18, 2020, 10:58:42 AM
https://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherwalton/2020/06/15/walmarts-new-shopify-partnership-is-another-stroke-of-digital-genius/#2f3e45d53025

https://www.inc.com/jason-aten/walmart-just-made-a-surprising-announcement-its-very-bad-news-for-amazon.html
Title: Re: Will Amazon vs Walmart war ever end?...
Post by: zh cohen on June 18, 2020, 05:40:17 PM
Amazon has been awful recently. Takes 2 weeks to even get a delivery date after ordering.
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Post by: Naftuli19 on June 18, 2020, 05:41:30 PM
Amazon has been awful recently. Takes 2 weeks to even get a delivery date after ordering.
getting better now
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Post by: CountValentine on June 18, 2020, 05:47:40 PM
Amazon working good here.
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Post by: Dan on June 18, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
Amazon working good here.
+1, next day for most items.
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Post by: etech0 on June 18, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
getting better now
+1
getting some items in 2 days for the first time in months