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Title: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 18, 2017, 05:15:13 PM
Apologies if thread about this exists somewhere. I searched and couldn't find, so I figured I would start a new one.

I've flown the following airlines on the North America to TLV route in J:

DL - Overall best experience (though would have loved to have a NYC-TLV flight that arrives in the AM). Reverse herringbone lie flat, with excellent bedding. Slept so well that I can't comment on KSML!
LO - fake Euro business to WAW, dreamliner to NA. Decent seat on long haul. Nice lounge for connection. Useless IFE and soft product.
US/AA - great experience on lie-flat (herringbone or reverse - can't recall - now defunct route).
LX - lie flat with MOST seats direct aisle access. One of the few airlines to fly widebody between Europe and TLV. Very uncomfortable seat! Bad soft product. Good KSML.
TK - Lie flat on NA-IST. Some IST-TLV flights are widebody, presumably with lie-flat, but most are fake Euro business. Good KSML ex-TLV and ex-IST. Ex-NYC KSML looks like an economy meal with a sticker slapped on it to say business. Decent soft product.
SU - (flew DL to SVO - excellent soft product, hard product was lie-flat on 767 - not the greatest). SVO-TLV was 777. Angle-flat. Mostly empty cabin, flew with adorable infant, so got great soft product. KSML was edible (though good Kashrus). SVO-TLV usually has great availability using FB. Problem is North America to SVO.
Haven't flown UA as I can never find saver availability.

On most recent trip I almost booked DL revenue for under $3k using hidden city. Held off on booking due to some uncertainty, by the time I was ready to book, hidden city route was over $8k, while direct NYC-TLV was over $4K - probably the biggest price jump / missed booking opportunity I've ever had. Ended up booking LX using Mileage Plus, but switched return to TK due to bad experience on LX.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: AsherO on May 18, 2017, 05:39:41 PM
What happened on LX that was so bad you switched to TK?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 18, 2017, 05:46:17 PM

What happened on LX that was so bad you switched to TK?
Extremely uncomfortable bed! Soft product leaves something to be desired. I was booked on return LX TLV-ZRH-JFK.

Would have switched ZRH-NYC to UA ZRH-EWR which had availability, but UA said that since TLV-ZRH wasn't showing availability in J, I would be booked in Y for that segment. Never mind that I was holding 2 J seats on that segment (which wouldn't need changing - but they said could only change entire remaining itinerary, and not just ZRH-NYC segment, took me very long on the phone, so I wasn't going to start the HUCA game).
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 18, 2017, 05:58:41 PM
LX soft product improved dramatically.

ZRH is far superior to IST, and the LX seat is better IMO, especially if you have the TK 2-3-2

The main advantage of TK is the schedule - better flight times than LX (2355 ex JFK) and better to split up the flight 9h + 1.5 then 3.5 +7

Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 18, 2017, 05:59:55 PM
Extremely uncomfortable bed! Soft product leaves something to be desired. I was booked on return LX TLV-ZRH-JFK.

Would have switched ZRH-NYC to UA ZRH-EWR which had availability, but UA said that since TLV-ZRH wasn't showing availability in J, I would be booked in Y for that segment. Never mind that I was holding 2 J seats on that segment (which wouldn't need changing - but they said could only change entire remaining itinerary, and not just ZRH-NYC segment, took me very long on the phone, so I wasn't going to start the HUCA game).
Was that on an A330 or B777? How long ago?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2017, 06:42:57 PM
Was that on an A330 or B777? How long ago?

A330 doesn't start until October.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 18, 2017, 06:49:28 PM
A330 doesn't start until October.
I know its the other direction but....
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And
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Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Dan on May 18, 2017, 06:52:20 PM
Sorry, skimmed.
Was referring to DL.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 18, 2017, 06:55:24 PM
A330 doesn't start until October.
Come again? Every flight between NYC and ZRH, as well most between TLV and ZRH are on the A330!

ETA:
Sorry, skimmed.
Was referring to DL.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 18, 2017, 07:04:34 PM
Come again? Every flight between NYC and ZRH, as well most between TLV and ZRH are on the A330!

ETA:
But has flown the 777 as well
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/02/22/swiss-airlines-flagship-boeing-777-now-flying-new-york/80784734/
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: hvaces42 on May 18, 2017, 07:06:04 PM
Extremely uncomfortable bed! Soft product leaves something to be desired. I was booked on return LX TLV-ZRH-JFK.

Would have switched ZRH-NYC to UA ZRH-EWR which had availability, but UA said that since TLV-ZRH wasn't showing availability in J, I would be booked in Y for that segment. Never mind that I was holding 2 J seats on that segment (which wouldn't need changing - but they said could only change entire remaining itinerary, and not just ZRH-NYC segment, took me very long on the phone, so I wasn't going to start the HUCA game).
I flew EWR-ZRH last year on the A330. Lie flat bed was exactly 2 inches short so either my head banged the top or my legs didnt fit in the tiny footwell. The bed itself wasnt to comfortable either.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 18, 2017, 07:07:31 PM
But has flown the 777 as well
https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2016/02/22/swiss-airlines-flagship-boeing-777-now-flying-new-york/80784734/
Okay so they flew it once.  ;)
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 18, 2017, 08:08:49 PM

LX soft product improved dramatically.

ZRH is far superior to IST, and the LX seat is better IMO, especially if you have the TK 2-3-2

The main advantage of TK is the schedule - better flight times than LX (2355 ex JFK) and better to split up the flight 9h + 1.5 then 3.5 +7
I fully agree. ZRH is better experience than IST by a very wide stretch.

It was my first time on LX and I was totally unimpressed with soft product. Since it was a last minute booking, didn't have KSML on first leg. One FA showed DW the water bottle saying that she recalls from a previous flight that it's kosher

Only competent FA was a male on my side, who actually got us extra KSML from economy, as well as some fruit.

Bed is indeed too short and narrow. I can only try picturing someone like whYME trying to fit into that bed. Kind of like fitting into a Cuban taxi, but for a longer ride.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: moe8555 on May 19, 2017, 09:19:13 AM
Nice, keep it coming!  Would be great to see for BA and RJ.  And more commentary about KSMLs.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: chinagel on May 19, 2017, 01:17:48 PM
what does first class lhr-tlv on BA mean
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 19, 2017, 05:12:40 PM
what does first class lhr-tlv on BA mean
Exactly that! They fly 4 cabin planes on that route once or twice a day.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: hvaces42 on May 19, 2017, 05:14:44 PM
Anyone know what the MAD-TLV flight is in J? I hear they have one plane with blocked middle and one with real J recliners.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 19, 2017, 05:17:02 PM
Anyone know what the MAD-TLV flight is in J? I hear they have one plane with blocked middle and one with real J recliners.
A319 has "real" business class. (Actual recliner seat similar to domestic F, as opposed to the A320 and most other European carriers which is only a blocked middle seat)
Im pretty sure most, if not all their flights between MAD and TLV are sing the A319.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: hvaces42 on May 19, 2017, 05:18:27 PM
A319 has "real" business class. (Actual recliner seat similar to domestic F, as opposed to the A320 and most other European carriers which is only a blocked middle seat)
Im pretty sure most, if not all their flights between MAD and TLV are sing the A319.
Thanks. Thats what the seat map showed but seatguru had something different. Booked for Chanukah. Have the last row in J and Bulkhead row in Y for my kids.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 19, 2017, 05:21:32 PM
Thanks. Thats what the seat map showed but seatguru had something different. Booked for Chanukah. Have the last row in J and Bulkhead row in Y for my kids.
If the aircraft type is A319 then it will be the "real" J.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 19, 2017, 05:23:58 PM
Looking to book ex-TLV in a few weeks. Options with UA miles in Business Saver are LX, LH, or OS each with a stopover in their respective hub.

What would you do?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Hershelsdeals on May 19, 2017, 05:24:27 PM
Looking to book ex-TLV in a few weeks. Options with UA miles in Business Saver are LX, LH, or OS each with a stopover in their respective hub.

What would you do?
Lx
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 19, 2017, 05:27:01 PM
And now, same question but what if we throw UA plan B into the mix?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 19, 2017, 05:30:20 PM
Looking to book ex-TLV in a few weeks. Options with UA miles in Business Saver are LX, LH, or OS each with a stopover in their respective hub.

What would you do?
Just because of the Wide-Body aircraft for the TLV-EU segment I would go with LX. I personally prefer OS over LX for the long haul though.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 19, 2017, 05:51:41 PM
Looking to book ex-TLV in a few weeks. Options with UA miles in Business Saver are LX, LH, or OS each with a stopover in their respective hub.

What would you do?
I'm going right after Shavuos and chose OS JFK>TLV and LX TLV>JFK due to stopover times.

BTW if Wi-Fi is important not all of those have.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 19, 2017, 05:54:00 PM
Another option is to go TLV-BRU and then switch to UA for the transatlantic. Is Polaris much better than those other Js I mentioned?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Dan on May 19, 2017, 06:00:23 PM
Another option is to go TLV-BRU and then switch to UA for the transatlantic. Is Polaris much better than those other Js I mentioned?
Depends on the plane.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 19, 2017, 06:03:32 PM
Depends on the plane.

I guess there's a MS post I was supposed to read that explains all that?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 19, 2017, 06:05:17 PM
And now, same question but what if we throw UA plan B into the mix?
Is there coach saver?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 19, 2017, 06:13:51 PM
Is there coach saver?

I was able to find, yes.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 19, 2017, 06:15:53 PM
I feel like I may be derailing this thread which is about J products to/from TLV when what I really want is help planning my itinerary.

Anyone want to help me? If so, what thread should we move to. Or you could always PM if you're in the mood.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 19, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
I feel like I may be derailing this thread which is about J products to/from TLV when what I really want is help planning my itinerary.

Anyone want to help me? If so, what thread should we move to. Or you could always PM if you're in the mood.
How to book?
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=46609.3030
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 20, 2017, 03:27:22 PM
Depends on the plane.
767?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 20, 2017, 03:36:36 PM
Just because of the Wide-Body aircraft for the TLV-EU segment I would go with LX. I personally prefer OS over LX for the long haul though.
That was my thought when I booked LX, but I was really disappointed with the product. Lie flat bed is too short and too narrow (laying on my side, FA bumped into my knees with cart).

WiFi is available on LX, though one has to purchase a package, unlike TK which is free for business class.

This thread reminded me that I actually did also fly SN in Fake business ex-TLV. Had to travel urgently and only thing I found was SN TLV-BRU-GVA connecting to UA for GVA-EWR. Nothing good to say about that one, neither SN nor BRU airport is something to look forward to.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 20, 2017, 10:12:09 PM
767?
Decent. Worst is the 777-200 which is literally a economy seat that lies flat. (2-4-2 config, plus rear facing seats)
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 20, 2017, 10:13:59 PM
Another option is to go TLV-BRU and then switch to UA for the transatlantic. Is Polaris much better than those other Js I mentioned?
Simple answer is no.
Add to that the fact that TLV-BRU is around 5 hours in "fake" J.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 20, 2017, 10:51:31 PM
Simple answer is no.
Add to that the fact that TLV-BRU is around 5 hours in "fake" J.

Is that the same "fake" J as what you referred to in your previous post?

Decent. Worst is the 777-200 which is literally a economy seat that lies flat. (2-4-2 config, plus rear facing seats)

In other words, are these the same thing?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: LoLo on May 20, 2017, 11:04:46 PM
Is that the same "fake" J as what you referred to in your previous post?

In other words, are these the same thing?
No, he's referring to fake eu J, which is just a blocked middle seat.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 20, 2017, 11:09:20 PM
Is that the same "fake" J as what you referred to in your previous post?

In other words, are these the same thing?
No. UA J on the 777-200 is "real" J, although widely known in the industry as one the worst long haul J products. Whereas J on SN between TLV and BRU is not a J product at all just a regular economy seat with the middle seat blocked, as is standard with many European airlines for domestic flights.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 20, 2017, 11:40:54 PM
Thanks for clarifying.

So I am looking at UA right now for a LHR-TLV itinerary. It seems that on LX the LHR-ZRH leg is in a Bombadier. That's fake J? The ZRH-TLV is in an airbus 330. I am assuming that's real J.

Are there better routes for LHR-TLV maybe with different miles?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Hershelsdeals on May 20, 2017, 11:42:11 PM


No. UA J on the 777-200 is "real" J, although widely known in the industry as one the worst long haul J products.

How many J products have you flown? UA 772 J is more like mediocre than "one of the worst".
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 20, 2017, 11:57:09 PM

How many J products have you flown? UA 772 J is more like mediocre than "one of the worst".
I would say I have flown probably more than 20 different products.

However for clarification purposes, I am referring to the 772 configured with 8 seats across, and rear facing seats. Which as I mentioned is effectively just a lie-flat economy seat.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: srf60 on May 21, 2017, 12:44:05 AM
That was my thought when I booked LX, but I was really disappointed with the product. Lie flat bed is too short and too narrow (laying on my side, FA bumped into my knees with cart).

WiFi is available on LX, though one has to purchase a package, unlike TK which is free for business class.

This thread reminded me that I actually did also fly SN in Fake business ex-TLV. Had to travel urgently and only thing I found was SN TLV-BRU-GVA connecting to UA for GVA-EWR. Nothing good to say about that one, neither SN nor BRU airport is something to look forward to.
Seems like you sat in the wrong seat.
Try 4a or 6a etc, which are window seats and aisle access nice and wide with lots of space , boy have i slept in those.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: srf60 on May 21, 2017, 12:48:37 AM
Decent. Worst is the 777-200 which is literally a economy seat that lies flat. (2-4-2 config, plus rear facing seats)
Oh , that's the worst it can probably get in lie flat.
A few months back, was booked in  LH J 747-8 upstairs yo FRA, last second switched to UA since it left 3 hrs later.
Get on the plane and I'm like what the ........
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 21, 2017, 01:39:57 AM
Seems like you sat in the wrong seat.
Try 4a or 6a etc, which are window seats and aisle access nice and wide with lots of space , boy have i slept in those.
Wasn't flying alone, so I took middle section.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 21, 2017, 01:44:55 AM
Seems like you sat in the wrong seat.
Try 4a or 6a etc, which are window seats and aisle access nice and wide with lots of space , boy have i slept in those.
While you are correct with regard to the fact that the "Throne Seats" have an overabundant amount of personal space,  he was complaining specifically about the seat comfort as well as the length of the bed which is no different in these seats, and I find many are in agreement with him.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: chff on May 21, 2017, 01:59:17 AM




WiFi is available on LX, though one has to purchase a package, unlike TK which is free for business class.

TK it's free for everyone
Decent. Worst is the 777-200 which is literally a economy seat that lies flat. (2-4-2 config, plus rear facing seats)
Re United, it's not the 777-200 that you should look for, but rather sUA. sCO 777-200 is the BusinessFirst 2-2-2


Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 21, 2017, 02:00:10 AM
Thanks for clarifying.

So I am looking at UA right now for a LHR-TLV itinerary. It seems that on LX the LHR-ZRH leg is in a Bombadier. That's fake J? The ZRH-TLV is in an airbus 330. I am assuming that's real J.

Are there better routes for LHR-TLV maybe with different miles?
Do you need to be in LON?

Haven't flown via LHR in a long time, but it's a huge airport with multiple terminals, not the greatest for a connection.

Is YQ outrageous on BA also on LHR-TLV route?

BA used to be my airline of choice before the days of outrageous YQ, and when I was still flying Y. They served me very well with the family pooling of miles, and even cleared award space for me in a special situation, on request.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 21, 2017, 02:01:13 AM

TK it's free for everyoneRe United, it's not the 777-200 that you should look for, but rather sUA. sCO 777-200 is the BusinessFirst 2-2-2
Correct. You can see easily by the seat config which one it is.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 21, 2017, 02:06:46 AM
Thanks for clarifying.

So I am looking at UA right now for a LHR-TLV itinerary. It seems that on LX the LHR-ZRH leg is in a Bombadier. That's fake J? The ZRH-TLV is in an airbus 330. I am assuming that's real J.

Are there better routes for LHR-TLV maybe with different miles?
BA has real J on that route (A321 is real J as well) and is Direct. Elal has direct flights as well but try to fly from LHR, as their flight from LTN is using the 737.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 21, 2017, 02:08:57 AM
Do you need to be in LON?

Haven't flown via LHR in a long time, but it's a huge airport with multiple terminals, not the greatest for a connection.

Is YQ outrageous on BA also on LHR-TLV route?

BA used to be my airline of choice before the days of outrageous YQ, and when I was still flying Y. They served me very well with the family pooling of miles, and even cleared award space for me in a special situation,on request.

Yes, I need to be in LON for a few days in the middle of the NYC-TLV trip. Returning I don't need LON at all.

Here is what I am thinking as of now (all with UA miles).

NYC-LHR UA plan B
LHR-TLV LX
TLV-NYC OS

Total 182.5k
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on May 21, 2017, 02:11:09 AM
Yes, I need to be in LON for a few days in the middle of the NYC-TLV trip. Returning I don't need LON at all.

Here is what I am thinking as of now (all with UA miles).

NYC-LHR UA plan B
LHR-TLV LX
TLV-NYC OS

Total 182.5k
Shouldnt that be 160k? Its a RT NYC-TLV with a stop in LON.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Freddie on May 21, 2017, 02:14:42 AM
Shouldnt that be 160k? Its a RT NYC-TLV with a stop in LON.

Stop in London is 3 days. Maybe I'm using multiple city search wrong.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: efflpetzel on May 21, 2017, 03:16:49 AM
Yes, I need to be in LON for a few days in the middle of the NYC-TLV trip. Returning I don't need LON at all.

Here is what I am thinking as of now (all with UA miles).

NYC-LHR UA plan B
LHR-TLV LX
TLV-NYC OS

Total 182.5k
If you will end up flying indirect lon-tlv, look into LCY instead of LHR.

It's closer to most of london, smaller & much faster to go through
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: a mirrer on May 21, 2017, 04:55:31 AM
If the aircraft type is A319 then it will be the "real" J.
-0.5 I've had an a319 with blocked middle on this route
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: a mirrer on May 21, 2017, 05:00:35 AM
Shouldnt that be 160k? Its a RT NYC-TLV with a stop in LON.
isnt the new stopover rules that the middle flight can't span 2 region for instance tlv-ewr(stop)-lax-tlv is valid while tlv-zrh(stop)-nyc-tlv gets charged for all 3 segments
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on May 21, 2017, 12:27:19 PM
Yes, I need to be in LON for a few days in the middle of the NYC-TLV trip. Returning I don't need LON at all.

Here is what I am thinking as of now (all with UA miles).

NYC-LHR UA plan B
LHR-TLV LX
TLV-NYC OS

Total 182.5k
THat does make sense considering that all of the shortcomings of LX J are moot when compared to fake J. Those are the opposite directions of how I am going. There goes any chance of an in-flight DO. Maybe in the lounges if our days are the same. :) From the sounds of it they probably aren't anyhow.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Baglach on May 21, 2017, 01:21:26 PM
What's the best seat option for ua 85 J when flying with an infant? Is there a Bassinet option?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: yandmk on May 21, 2017, 03:27:02 PM
What's the best seat option for ua 85 J when flying with an infant? Is there a Bassinet option?
Yes. Bassinet seats are 8A,B,K,L
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 21, 2017, 03:51:16 PM
I am currently in TLV with DW booked on TK going back to JFK.

Would like to try United Plan B for UA91 (X9, C9 availability).

I have no experience with this, and last time I was on the phone with UA from here, took over an hour and 20 minutes and got disconnected.

Anyone who knows how to do this and is willing to help for a fee, please PM ASAP, so I can try to get on UA91 J using Plan B.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on May 22, 2017, 10:04:15 PM
Just flew TLV-IST leg on A321-200. It's not lie-flat, but definitely real business class (similar to domestic first, though IINM recline is less than one might get on domestic first).

Their in flight magazine has their fleet listed, showing various aircraft and seat pitches. I presume that "Fixed Business" is real business.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on June 08, 2017, 03:42:00 AM
I flew EWR-ZRH last year on the A330. Lie flat bed was exactly 2 inches short so either my head banged the top or my legs didnt fit in the tiny footwell. The bed itself wasnt to comfortable either.
I did not feel that way in a throne seat. We will see soon about a single.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: PPM on June 08, 2017, 04:50:19 AM
what's the rules with taking children and infant in business class?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Emkay on June 08, 2017, 05:53:22 AM
what's the rules with taking children and infant in business class?
In regards to?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: chaim0m on June 08, 2017, 07:17:55 AM
Flew SU SVO-TLV in J on an A321 had pretty nice hard product with angle flat, cabin was almost empty. Soft product was also pretty good gave my son all sorts of toys and stuff, food was OK nothing special...
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: PPM on June 08, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
what's the rules with taking children and infant in business class?
Do I have to get infant a seat and are children allowed on all airlines?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on June 08, 2017, 03:17:36 PM
Do I have to get infant a seat and are children allowed on all airlines?
I've taken an infant on DL & SU in J as a lap child (totally free - thanks to Flying Blue error, though it did cost me some delay at SVO as they didn't know what to do, but eventually let the infant on the connecting flight).
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on June 08, 2017, 06:22:50 PM
I flew EWR-ZRH last year on the A330. Lie flat bed was exactly 2 inches short so either my head banged the top or my legs didnt fit in the tiny footwell. The bed itself wasnt to comfortable either.
That was my thought when I booked LX, but I was really disappointed with the product. Lie flat bed is too short and too narrow (laying on my side, FA bumped into my knees with cart).

WiFi is available on LX, though one has to purchase a package, unlike TK which is free for business class.

Just because of the Wide-Body aircraft for the TLV-EU segment I would go with LX. I personally prefer OS over LX for the long haul though.
Just flew OS JFK>VIE>TLV and LX TLV>ZRH>JFK. I felt LX was the better product by a very long shot. First and foremost was the real J for the short-haul segment, but I found LX better for the long haul as well. For TLV>ZRH I had a bulkhead throne seat which was very roomy and was not too short at all. On both long hauls I had a single seat with the seat against the window and the table at the aisle. On OS it was a bulkhead not LX. I found the OS to be too short but not LX. I felt that the OS was narrower too. I found the soft products to be similar.


One thing I noticed on LX was that the bulkheads have a much wider footwell since it is not restricted by the seat in front. On OS it was at the galley and cabinets restricted it.

NOTE on LX you cannot pre-reserve a single seat against the window or a throne seat in advance if you are not HON Senator. At checkin you are able to switch to those seats, but for some reason it did not give me that option for TLV>ZRH. At the airport I asked for 4a which is a bulkhead throne in the mini-cabin (first two rows of J are separate) and it was available. I was able to chose a single window with the table at the aisle in the mini-cabin (5k) for ZRH>JFK at checkin.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on June 08, 2017, 07:04:40 PM

One thing I noticed on LX was that the bulkheads have a much wider footwell since it is not restricted by the seat in front. On OS it was at the galley and cabinets restricted it.
Same story with UA.

NOTE on LX you cannot pre-reserve a single seat against the window or a throne seat in advance if you are not HON Senator. At checkin you are able to switch to those seats, but for some reason it did not give me that option for TLV>ZRH. At the airport I asked for 4a which is a bulkhead throne in the mini-cabin (first two rows of J are separate) and it was available. I was able to chose a single window with the table at the aisle in the mini-cabin (5k) for ZRH>JFK at checkin.
Been discussed here many times. Can be reserved by online check-in 24 hours in advance as well.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on June 08, 2017, 07:06:21 PM
Same story with UA.
Been discussed here many times. Can be reserved by online check-in 24 hours in advance as well.
I was talking about online check-in
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on June 20, 2017, 09:12:48 AM
Yes, I need to be in LON for a few days in the middle of the NYC-TLV trip. Returning I don't need LON at all.

Here is what I am thinking as of now (all with UA miles).

NYC-LHR UA plan B
LHR-TLV LX
TLV-NYC OS

Total 182.5k

Please share your thoughts on the various hard and soft products.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: shimino1 on June 20, 2017, 02:16:57 PM
I was talking about online check-in
Can also be reserved way in advance by calling
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on June 20, 2017, 02:19:49 PM
Can also be reserved way in advance by calling
Without paying?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on June 20, 2017, 02:43:39 PM
Can also be reserved way in advance by calling
Dosent work anymore.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: shimino1 on June 20, 2017, 03:29:52 PM
Without paying?
I didn't pay
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on June 20, 2017, 03:32:34 PM
I didn't pay
how recently?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on June 20, 2017, 03:59:06 PM
I didn't pay
Dosent work anymore.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: efflpetzel on June 22, 2017, 01:33:41 PM

worked for me a month ago
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: harrym on June 22, 2017, 04:29:16 PM
IME 48 until 24 hr in advance is window to choose throne seat online for free.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on June 22, 2017, 04:42:05 PM
IME 48 until 24 hr in advance is window to choose throne seat online for free.
How long ago did you do it?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: harrym on June 22, 2017, 04:46:26 PM
Three weeks ago.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on June 22, 2017, 05:14:57 PM
I was unable to do it until online checkin began
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: a mirrer on June 23, 2017, 04:42:12 AM
How long ago did you do it?
I did it this week Sunday
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: hvaces42 on July 05, 2017, 04:16:22 PM
LH seems to be flying the A350-900 MUC-TLV on one flight a day later this summer.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: shmuels2 on July 05, 2017, 04:34:15 PM
LH seems to be flying the A350-900 MUC-TLV on one flight a day later this summer.

Which one?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 05, 2017, 04:35:04 PM
LH seems to be flying the A350-900 MUC-TLV on one flight a day later this summer.
Is that only for a limited time, or is it there to stay?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Yaalili on July 05, 2017, 05:10:34 PM
LH seems to be flying the A350-900 MUC-TLV on one flight a day later this summer.

http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1765083#msg1765083
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: hvaces42 on July 05, 2017, 05:13:27 PM
Which one?
LH 688
Is that only for a limited time, or is it there to stay?
I see flights starting 8/12 through the end of August only.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: hvaces42 on July 05, 2017, 05:21:05 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=30483.msg1765083#msg1765083
Missed that as I wasnt looking Ex-TLV just saw it.

Any suggestion, Booking separate segments NYC-MUC MUC-TLV comes up 87k M&M while NYC-MUC-TLV comes up 92k Any way to avoid the second YQ? YQ is lower on the SIngle booking but points would come out to 4.5cpp for the addl 5k M&M. 
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 05, 2017, 11:01:11 PM
Am I crazy for considering flying LX to TLV and getting in 3 in the morning erev yom tov? (Succos) It's just so much better than the other options available... Is this just a bad idea?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 06, 2017, 01:49:10 AM
Am I crazy for considering flying LX to TLV and getting in 3 in the morning erev yom tov? (Succos) It's just so much better than the other options available... Is this just a bad idea?
What exactly would render you crazy?!?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 06, 2017, 01:52:59 AM
What exactly would render you crazy?!?
Next flight doesn't get in until 2:30 erev yom tov if something would happen to the first one. I guess it's really fine I just like to be careful with yom tov.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 06, 2017, 01:54:02 AM
Next flight doesn't get in until 2:30 erev yom tov if something would happen to the first one. I guess it's really fine I just like to be careful with yom tov.
When was the last time that flight was canceled?!? (Hint: not recently)
Check Flightaware.com for verification.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 06, 2017, 01:55:11 AM
When was the last time that flight was canceled?!? (Hint: not recently)
Check Flightaware.com for verification.
That's why I asked here, can always count on DDF to reassure you about your travel plans.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 06, 2017, 08:37:11 AM
That's why I asked here, can always count on DDF to reassure you about your travel plans.
Except that this is the "Business Class to/from TLV - product thread." I don't think your question belonged here.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 06, 2017, 08:50:33 AM
Except that this is the "Business Class to/from TLV - product thread." I don't think your question belonged here.
Possibly, I was debating where to post it but you're probably right.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Dan on July 06, 2017, 10:03:40 AM
I took that flight to get into TLV on erev shavuos.

They did lose my luggage, but it was a triple connection trip, so probably not their fault.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 06, 2017, 10:22:58 AM
I took that flight to get into TLV on erev shavuos.

They did lose my luggage, but it was a triple connection trip, so probably not their fault.
I think I'll just pack my suit in my carry on
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 06, 2017, 11:30:57 AM
  • Am I crazy?
  • Is it just a bad idea to consider flying LX to TLV and getting in 3 in the morning erev yom tov? (Succos) It's just so much better than the other options available...
Now to your question.

It should actually be broken up into two separate parts, as it is truly two unrelated questions. So I did that for you.  ;)
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 06, 2017, 11:32:16 AM
Now to your question.

It should actually be broken up into two separate parts, as it is truly two unrelated questions. So I did that for you.  ;)
Well I got an answer to the second question, the first on is still up for debate.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 07, 2017, 02:07:20 AM
Looking at the following options for NYC-TLV:

UA business or first on 777-200 NYC-FRA, then LH business (I assume fake) FRA-TLV. Connection time 4.40
LH business NYC-FRA-TLV. 2.30 connection
TK business NYC-IST-TLV. 5.55 connection but it's an earlier flight which gives me a few more hours in Israel I guess

Thoughts?

For the way back it's LX vs. LH vs. OS, I'm thinking LX because of the real business?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 07, 2017, 12:51:01 PM
Looking at the following options for NYC-TLV:

UA business or first on 777-200 NYC-FRA, then LH business (I assume fake) FRA-TLV. Connection time 4.40
LH business NYC-FRA-TLV. 2.30 connection
TK business NYC-IST-TLV. 5.55 connection but it's an earlier flight which gives me a few more hours in Israel I guess

Thoughts?

For the way back it's LX vs. LH vs. OS, I'm thinking LX because of the real business?

Bump, any opinions before I book?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Yaalili on July 07, 2017, 12:56:23 PM
Bump, any opinions before I book?

I would go with TK. Long leg to sleep.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 07, 2017, 12:58:53 PM
Bump, any opinions before I book?
I've never taken LH or OS, so can't comment on that.

When I book I look also at what time I get into TLV, which for me is an important factor. LH is fake J and FRA-TLV is longer than IST-TLV. On IST-TLV YMMV on whether it's fake J or real J (with some flights even being widebody). IST airport isn't fun, but the TK business lounge is good (reserve a shower as soon as you arrive, there could be a long wait sometimes).

I didn't like the LX hard or soft J product last time I went, so I switched my return to TK and was happy.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 07, 2017, 02:10:05 PM
Looking at the following options for NYC-TLV:

UA business or first on 777-200 NYC-FRA, then LH business (I assume fake) FRA-TLV. Connection time 4.40
LH business NYC-FRA-TLV. 2.30 connection
TK business NYC-IST-TLV. 5.55 connection but it's an earlier flight which gives me a few more hours in Israel I guess

Thoughts?

For the way back it's LX vs. LH vs. OS, I'm thinking LX because of the real business?
TK for the outbound and LX for the return.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 07, 2017, 02:10:48 PM
TK for the outbound and LX for the return.
TK > UA first?

Babysitter wants different dates than I initially planned for so this may all be academic anyway
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 07, 2017, 02:14:43 PM
TK > UA first?
If TK is 777 on the longhaul then forsure. But even if A330, being the second leg is around 2 hours in either lie flat J or at the very least a recliner seat (similar to domestic F) versus around 5 hours in a economy seat is a no brainer.

In addition UA F is just a really nice J product..
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on July 07, 2017, 04:01:34 PM
I've never taken LH or OS, so can't comment on that.

When I book I look also at what time I get into TLV, which for me is an important factor. LH is fake J and FRA-TLV is longer than IST-TLV. On IST-TLV YMMV on whether it's fake J or real J (with some flights even being widebody). IST airport isn't fun, but the TK business lounge is good (reserve a shower as soon as you arrive, there could be a long wait sometimes).

I didn't like the LX hard or soft J product last time I went, so I switched my return to TK and was happy.
I found LX J to be very good both hard and soft.

I did find their 5am Tlv departure time annoying, but made up for it by being so tired that bio turbulence would wake me up
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 07, 2017, 04:18:12 PM
I found LX J to be very good both hard and soft.

It's good to have different opinions.

I would say TK J > LX J (though English language skills of TK staff ex-TLV leave a lot to be desired).

ZRH > IST (airport) by a wide margin.

Didn't have enough of an experience in the ZRH business lounge, which seemed nice as I joined a minyan elsewhere in the terminal. IST TK business lounge is huge, excellent showers and sleeping suites if your connection is the right length (longer than 4 hours, shorter than 7 hours IINM).
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 07, 2017, 04:48:41 PM



ZRH > IST (airport) by a wide margin.

+1 ZRH is one of the nicest and most convenient airports in the world. While IST is madly annoying! It can take you 45 minutes to walk to the lounge if you can even find it, and the lounge is always packed.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 07, 2017, 04:58:36 PM
+1 ZRH is one of the nicest and most convenient airports in the world. While IST is madly annoying! It can take you 45 minutes to walk to the lounge if you can even find it, and the lounge is always packed.
I think the only airport I've been to that I dislike more than IST is MIA, though YYZ is also a contender.

ETA: I forgot FCO. Pretty bad too, and usually need to take shuttle bus to/from aircraft.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 07, 2017, 05:04:26 PM
I think the only airport I've been to that I dislike more than IST is MIA, though YYZ is also a contender.

ETA: I forgot FCO. Pretty bad too, and usually need to take shuttle bus to/from aircraft.
US airports dont even make it on the list.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 10:21:22 PM
Looking at the following options for NYC-TLV:

UA business or first on 777-200 NYC-FRA, then LH business (I assume fake) FRA-TLV. Connection time 4.40
LH business NYC-FRA-TLV. 2.30 connection
TK business NYC-IST-TLV. 5.55 connection but it's an earlier flight which gives me a few more hours in Israel I guess

Thoughts?

For the way back it's LX vs. LH vs. OS, I'm thinking LX because of the real business?
Ok, change of dates means that TK is no longer an option. I'm now deciding between UA F for 90k or LH J for 80k on the EWR-FRA leg. The LH option has an extra hour stopover (leaves ewr an hour earlier) which is not ideal but not terrible. Opinions?

Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: Yaalili on July 09, 2017, 10:30:25 PM
Ok, change of dates means that TK is no longer an option. I'm now deciding between UA F for 90k or LH J for 80k on the EWR-FRA leg. The LH option has an extra hour stopover (leaves ewr an hour earlier) which is not ideal but not terrible. Opinions?

UA F.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 09, 2017, 10:39:31 PM
Ok, change of dates means that TK is no longer an option. I'm now deciding between UA F for 90k or LH J for 80k on the EWR-FRA leg. The LH option has an extra hour stopover (leaves ewr an hour earlier) which is not ideal but not terrible. Opinions?
Def UA F. But book using 75k SQ or 60k A3.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 10:46:21 PM
Def UA F. But book using 75k SQ or 60k A3.
Sq will mean more yq, no? On the second portion which is LH fake j regardless
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 10:51:44 PM
Def UA F. But book using 75k SQ or 60k A3.
Also not to sound too stupid what's a3
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: AsherO on July 09, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Also not to sound too stupid what's a3

Aegean, Greece's flag carrier (?). StarAlliance member, recently added SPG transfer partner.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 10:53:57 PM
Aegean, Greece's flag carrier (?). StarAlliance member, recently added SPG transfer partner.
And I assume they charge yq?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: AsherO on July 09, 2017, 10:56:46 PM
And I assume they charge yq?

That part I'm not sure about, sorry.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 09, 2017, 11:04:27 PM
Sq will mean more yq, no? On the second portion which is LH fake j regardless
SQ and A3 both wont charge YQ on UA. And the second portion should be very minimal, use Matrix for the exact breakdown of the LH YQ.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 11:05:26 PM
SQ and A3 both wont charge YQ on UA.
But they both will on the LH portion fra-tlv, it seems. When looking on matrix, is it just the yq or all taxes and fees that I should assume will be charged?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 09, 2017, 11:06:49 PM
But they both will on the LH portion fra-tlv, it seems. When looking on matrix, is it just the yq or all taxes and fees that I should assume will be charged?
Just the LH YQ.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 11:08:56 PM
Just the LH YQ.
Thanks. In that case A3 definitely makes more sense than United. I preferred to use my Chase points but this is just so much more worthwhile. Thank you all for your help!
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 09, 2017, 11:15:09 PM
Thanks. In that case A3 definitely makes more sense than United. I preferred to use my Chase points but this is just so much more worthwhile. Thank you all for your help!
Transfer 75k Chase to SQ.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 11:21:02 PM
Transfer 75k Chase to SQ.
At that point I'm better off using United, more miles but no yq and takes advantage of my small and currently useless United balance
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 09, 2017, 11:37:24 PM
At that point I'm better off using United, more miles but no yq and takes advantage of my small and currently useless United balance
As you wish. Just a piece of advice, Why dont you try calling SQ and have them price it out so you have exact numbers to work with?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 11:39:28 PM
As you wish. Just a piece of advice, Why dont you try calling SQ and have them price it out so you have exact numbers to work with?
Good idea, thanks. And once I've moved away from using Chase I think my best option may actually be transferring spg to United using Marriott nights+flights and then just topping off with Chase, better total value for me I think
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 09, 2017, 11:40:42 PM
Good idea, thanks. And once I've moved away from using Chase I think my best option may actually be transferring spg to United using Marriott nights+flights and then just topping off with Chase, better total value for me I think
Do that, and then book with SQ.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 09, 2017, 11:49:43 PM
Do that, and then book with SQ.

Can't book SQ with the United miles I created through nights and flights...

With a valuation of 1.4 for UR and 1.9 for SPG, these seem to be my options:

UR to United - 90k but no YQ, and takes advantage of my small United balance = $1078
UR to SQ - 75k + YQ of about 130 it seems = 1180
SPG to Aegean - 48k + YQ = 1042
SPG to Marriott to United + top up with UR: 37.5k + 11k UR = 866.50

I'm booking two tickets but these numbers reflect cost per ticket.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 10, 2017, 12:03:40 AM
Can't book SQ with the United miles I created through nights and flights...

With a valuation of 1.4 for UR and 1.9 for SPG, these seem to be my options:

UR to United - 90k but no YQ, and takes advantage of my small United balance = $1078
UR to SQ - 75k + YQ of about 130 it seems = 1180
SPG to Aegean - 48k + YQ = 1042
SPG to Marriott to United + top up with UR: 37.5k + 11k UR = 866.50

I'm booking two tickets but these numbers reflect cost per ticket.
Minimum for Nights + flights is 235k Marriott.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 12:04:34 AM
Minimum for Nights + flights is 235k Marriott.
I divided the actual numbers I'll be using in half to get a per ticket price. I'm also counting on turning the nights back into 15k spg if I can't sell them
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 10, 2017, 12:18:51 AM
I divided the actual numbers I'll be using in half to get a per ticket price. I'm also counting on turning the nights back into 15k spg if I can't sell them
Hence my earlier comment, redeem for travel package. And then transfer Chase to SQ and book with them.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 12:20:47 AM
Hence my earlier comment, redeem for travel package. And then transfer Chase to SQ and book with them.

Ok, I'm definitely missing something here. Once I redeem for the travel package and I have 132k United why would I go with the Chase-SQ, leaving me with 132k stranded United miles? That would seem to be a separate and unrelated transaction. Please clue me in before I pull the trigger on this.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 10, 2017, 12:27:00 AM
Ok, I'm definitely missing something here. Once I redeem for the travel package and I have 132k United why would I go with the Chase-SQ, leaving me with 132k stranded United miles? That would seem to be a separate and unrelated transaction. Please clue me in before I pull the trigger on this.
Speaking purely from a Miles=$ valuation. Travel package is a great redemption for your Spg (although you should probably wait for a promotion to transfer) And 75k SQ is a better redemption than 90k UA.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 12:34:57 AM
Speaking purely from a Miles=$ valuation. Travel package is a great redemption for your Spg (although you should probably wait for a promotion to transfer) And 75k SQ is a better redemption than 90k UA.

Ok, so your point is that once I transfer my SPG to United it becomes more valuable and changes the equation? Regardless, when valuing UR at 1.4 90k+40 makes more sense than 75k+185 (now that I have those exact numbers)

No, scratch that. It only made sense because I was valuing my existing small United balance as 0. But if I transfer SPG to United and then sell the account (let's say at 1.3, hopefully I could get more) then that would change the equation and make SQ more worthwhile
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: mmgfarb on July 10, 2017, 01:41:15 AM
Ok, so your point is that once I transfer my SPG to United it becomes more valuable and changes the equation? Regardless, when valuing UR at 1.4 90k+40 makes more sense than 75k+185 (now that I have those exact numbers)

No, scratch that. It only made sense because I was valuing my existing small United balance as 0. But if I transfer SPG to United and then sell the account (let's say at 1.3, hopefully I could get more) then that would change the equation and make SQ more worthwhile
You'd probably do better selling the SPG outright.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 10, 2017, 02:42:31 AM
Ok, so your point is that once I transfer my SPG to United it becomes more valuable and changes the equation? Regardless, when valuing UR at 1.4 90k+40 makes more sense than 75k+185 (now that I have those exact numbers)

No, scratch that. It only made sense because I was valuing my existing small United balance as 0. But if I transfer SPG to United and then sell the account (let's say at 1.3, hopefully I could get more) then that would change the equation and make SQ more worthwhile
185 SGD or USD?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 02:43:02 AM
185 SGD or USD?
I called the us number and assumed they were talking about usd
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 10, 2017, 02:43:52 AM
I called the us number and assumed they were talking about usd
Numbers are always quoted in SGD.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 02:45:20 AM
Numbers are always quoted in SGD.
So about 133 usd. Either way I decided to go that route both because if I give value to my existing United balance it changes the math, and because my account stays cleaner for future sales if I don't use it now
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: elya on July 10, 2017, 02:46:00 AM
So about 133 usd. Either way I decided to go that route both because if I give value to my existing United balance it changes the math, and because my account stays cleaner for future sales if I don't use it now
Also much cheaper change fee.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 02:47:12 AM
Also much cheaper change fee.
Another good point although I hope not to change or cancel
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: themev on July 10, 2017, 12:04:08 PM
I have an upcoming trip NY-TLV in business/first - choosing between Delta One or UA (hopefully can make the -300ER work). Im guessing Ill be happy either way but was wondering how the kosher meals were?

Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 10, 2017, 12:27:45 PM
I have an upcoming trip NY-TLV in business/first - choosing between Delta One or UA (hopefully can make the -300ER work). Im guessing Ill be happy either way but was wondering how the kosher meals were?
I personally prefer the UA afternoon flight out of EWR for the schedule (I prefer arriving in TLV in the morning, rather than for evening rush hour).

What can you already expect in KSML ex-NYC? and ex-TLV they will both give you Masbia IINM.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 02:24:43 PM
While I wait for my UR-SQ to post TK business opened up for my dates, which is better than UA F to LH fake J per opinions above. Of course this will leave me with leftover SQ at this point, unfortunately, but still seems like a better plan (and hopefully I'll sell the SQ eventually) I assume that's also better than my other idea of waitlisting SQ J for the JFK-FRA leg. Unfortunately suites aren't available even for waitlist for the date I need, and because of childcare arrangements my dates are not flexible.

So would the experts here agree that TK J > SQ J + LH fake J > UA F + LH fake J?

And how would that calculation change if I could potentially get SQ suites, if they open up (at least for waitlist) before I book?
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: cholent on July 10, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
While I wait for my UR-SQ to post TK business opened up for my dates, which is better than UA F to LH fake J per opinions above. Of course this will leave me with leftover SQ at this point, unfortunately, but still seems like a better plan (and hopefully I'll sell the SQ eventually) I assume that's also better than my other idea of waitlisting SQ J for the JFK-FRA leg. Unfortunately suites aren't available even for waitlist for the date I need, and because of childcare arrangements my dates are not flexible.

So would the experts here agree that TK J > SQ J + LH fake J > UA F + LH fake J?

And how would that calculation change if I could potentially get SQ suites, if they open up (at least for waitlist) before I book?

Well, that was fast. The TK availability is gone, maybe it never really existed? Which leaves the question of waitlisting SQ business vs. UA F for the first leg (obviously if I could waitlist SQ suites vs UA F that would be a no brainer)
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 10, 2017, 03:32:32 PM
Well, that was fast. The TK availability is gone, maybe it never really existed? Which leaves the question of waitlisting SQ business vs. UA F for the first leg (obviously if I could waitlist SQ suites vs UA F that would be a no brainer)
TK availability is very fluid IME. I would definitely take TK with real J and shorter flight than any Fake J (longer flight). That being said, I did get Fake J on a TK flight in the past, so YMMV, but it's a shorter flight.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on July 10, 2017, 03:59:31 PM
I personally prefer the UA afternoon flight out of EWR for the schedule (I prefer arriving in TLV in the morning, rather than for evening rush hour).

What can you already expect in KSML ex-NYC? and ex-TLV they will both give you Masbia IINM.
Maybe Weiss?

I also know of a couple of places trying to get into the business too.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 10, 2017, 04:02:11 PM
Maybe Weiss?
Main memory from that is disposable cutlery super wrapped in shrink wrap.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on July 10, 2017, 04:05:29 PM
I also know of a couple of places trying to get into the business too.
I assume you are talking about the airline catering business.

As long as the LSG stranglehold exists on delivery to the airports, I don't see any meaningful improvement.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on July 10, 2017, 04:05:56 PM
Main memory from that is disposable cutlery super wrapped in shrink wrap.
Yeah but my OS FA brought a scissors to cut it open. THey knew right away they would need it and brought it on their own.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: aygart on July 10, 2017, 04:06:37 PM
I assume you are talking about the airline catering business.

As long as the LSG stranglehold exists on delivery to the airports, I don't see any meaningful improvement.
Dunno, but I know they are working specifically in NYC area.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on October 25, 2017, 07:03:31 PM

Yeah but my OS FA brought a scissors to cut it open. THey knew right away they would need it and brought it on their own.
On recent TK flight from JFK seems like Wise might have gotten a partial message (or maybe it was a different employee packing). Unwrapping the Saran Wrap off the plastic cutlery was actually doable without need for any tools (however knife was already broken).

If someone at Wise reads this thread ó PLEASE donít omit the salt and pepper!

While I didnít touch the hot portion, the rest was quite decent. And as far as Kashrus goes I definitely trust them. Probably the best KSML option ex NYC.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: ExGingi on January 28, 2018, 12:19:36 PM
On my connection from IST to TLV, luckily staff at Business Lounge were able to put me on an earlier flight, resulting in a shorter layover.

However, the flight I took was an A321-200 with Fake J. An apparently famous basketball player (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amar%27e_Stoudemire) was on the flight, I really felt bad for him, sitting in those cramped seats.

Is there any way of knowing what kind of J product is on their flights. I've been on TK A321s (I think it was 321 and not 320) that had a real J product. Though in this specific case, arriving earlier took precedence over comfort, so I would have opted for this flight, even if I would have learned that the later one was real J.
Title: Re: Business Class to/from TLV - product thread.
Post by: moish on January 28, 2018, 12:36:06 PM
Infamous would probably be a better description