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Title: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: good sam on August 27, 2017, 10:34:31 AM
Anyone in the Houston area? This looks crazier than we've ever seen.

Read the replies to this tweet. Frightening!

Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: good sam on August 27, 2017, 10:38:14 AM
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:41:34 AM
They asked people who refuse to evacuate to put their name or ssn on their hand so they can be identified.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: zh cohen on August 27, 2017, 10:45:40 AM
They asked people who refuse to evacuate to put their name or ssn on their hand so they can be identified.

Didn't the mayor say no need to evacuate? While the Gov. was saying they should?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: as2 on August 27, 2017, 05:30:26 PM
Runway in IAH(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170827/881927716c23bcad374e38f3ba958431.jpg)
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: chff on August 27, 2017, 06:52:23 PM
Runway in IAH(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170827/881927716c23bcad374e38f3ba958431.jpg)
HOU
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: as2 on August 27, 2017, 06:53:00 PM
HOU
Sorry. I sit corrected.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yoruel on August 27, 2017, 08:52:33 PM
@yakovwogi  Can you give us an update?
I hear the Meyerland area got hit again.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yakovwogi on August 27, 2017, 09:02:24 PM
It's crazy here. Seems like the in young Israel neighborhood  rain started yesterday afternoon and continued mostly until the morning. most of the houses are ok but many here did flood or have some water related damage. The amount of water that was here is unbelievable. I'll try to post pics. Today there was a little break in the rain and many seem to have used it to rescue people in flooded homes. The rescues are continuing near here but in our neighborhood water has receded so BH we can hopefully take the rain tonight without causing any new flooding.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yakovwogi on August 27, 2017, 09:03:07 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170828/93ee0c36174c1409faa11a18d74d0bca.jpg)

My street this morning
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yakovwogi on August 27, 2017, 09:04:04 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170828/3f641f5054aec5d4cf92ee50d01e395c.jpg)
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yakovwogi on August 27, 2017, 09:08:19 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170828/c4d1ec338df3dd828fc184ee5da9170f.jpg)
Down the block.

Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: ckmk47 on August 27, 2017, 09:37:50 PM
Wow!
Good luck, Y'all!!
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 09:41:37 PM
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170828/c4d1ec338df3dd828fc184ee5da9170f.jpg)
Down the block.
Reminds me of a period i will never forget, October 29, 2012. Hatzlacha (looking back we were quite lucky to have such many frum communities nearby)
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yoohoo on August 27, 2017, 09:53:07 PM
People have lost literally everything. Does insurance cover a natural disaster?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Yammer on August 27, 2017, 09:53:49 PM
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Down the block.
Ouch.

Hop let you don't sustain any damages
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: thaber on August 27, 2017, 09:56:31 PM
CNN: Southwest launches airlift to rescue stranded Houston customers. http://google.com/newsstand/s/CBIw0sPh7DU
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: sky121 on August 27, 2017, 10:00:05 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hurricane-harvey-photo-texas-nursing-home-residents-waist-210704862--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=fauxdal
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: thaber on August 27, 2017, 10:07:08 PM
this guy has been going for 9 hours
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: good sam on August 27, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
People have lost literally everything. Does insurance cover a natural disaster?
Reading that majority in the area don't have flood insurance.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yoohoo on August 27, 2017, 10:11:49 PM
Reading that majority in the area don't have flood insurance.
even so, natural disaster may not be covered regardless
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yoohoo on August 27, 2017, 10:11:58 PM
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:17:58 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/gma/hurricane-harvey-photo-texas-nursing-home-residents-waist-210704862--abc-news-topstories.html?.tsrc=fauxdal
Whoever runs that place should be in prison.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 27, 2017, 10:29:48 PM
even so, natural disaster may not be covered regardless
If you have flood insurance it is covered at least my house is.  :)
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: thaber on August 27, 2017, 10:29:56 PM
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:33:47 PM
Whoever runs that place should be in prison.
Do you have experience evacuating a SNF during a disaster like this? I do and it's not so simple. I can't say how it's down there in Texas but here in NYC/Nassau durning Sandy, there were dozens of nursing homes that were in zone 1 (or may have been 5. They changed it right afterwards) and  thousands of patients had to be evacuated. In short the government took over all ambulances (including private) so any contracts went out the window.
Next there were major staff shortages. This was due to 1) many healthcare workers work in two facilities and 2) employees also have to make sure that their families are safe 3) mass transit shut down.
Next there was mass evacuation from areas like the Rockaways (where the are about 20 nursing homes), Seagate, Coney island, etc. The roads were gridlock like I've never seen before.
And then there are those that have kedima like hospital's (several were evacuated), critical patients like ventalator dependant, and so on. Based on the pic, it looks like the residents in that home were quite stable (u won't find any of my vent patients in a wheelchair).
I could go on but I think you get my point.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:35:59 PM
Just move them to a second floor. They could come down with gd-knows-what sitting in all that water. They shouldn't be treated worse then pets.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 10:38:04 PM
Just move them to a second floor. They could come down with gd-knows-what sitting in all that water. They shouldn't be treated worse then pets.
Is there a second floor in that facility?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:39:04 PM
Just move them to a second floor. They could come down with gd-knows-what sitting in all that water. They shouldn't be treated worse then pets.
Who said there's a 2nd floor? Out on the island there are 1 and 2 floor facilities. (And who says it wasn't in the 2nd floor?). So I wouldn't be surprised if a small 25 bed place like this is similar.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:39:59 PM
Is there a second floor in that facility?
If not you get them to a place with a second floor. Or don't run such a facility.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 10:42:01 PM
If not you get them to a place with a second floor. Or don't run such a facility.
You are being ridiculous. You are saying there should never be one floor nursing homes? You just created a tremendous nursing home shortage in this country.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:43:48 PM
You are being ridiculous. You are saying there should never be one floor nursing homes? You just created a tremendous nursing home shortage in this country.
I never said that. I said if there's no second floor you move them out before the monster storm arrives. Not just leave them there & have the staff abandon them.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 10:44:23 PM
I never said that. I said if there's no second floor you move them out before the monster storm arrives. Not just leave them there & have the staff abandon them.
And your second sentence?

The logistics of transporting the patients is also an issue. They need professionals to do the evacuation. They may not be available if they are focusing on other facilities.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:46:23 PM
And your second sentence?
That if the people in charge can't handle the responsibilities that come along with caring for these people's lives then they shouldn't be in this business. Coprendo ?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:47:11 PM
I never said that. I said if there's no second floor you move them out before the monster storm arrives. Not just leave them there & have the staff abandon them.
There were plenty of facilities during Sandy that had the 2nd floor flooded to.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:48:00 PM
That if the people in charge can't handle the responsibilities that come along with caring for these people's lives then they shouldn't be in this business. Coprendo ?
You obviously have no clue in this parsha. Stop before you sound even more foolish.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 10:49:32 PM
You obviously have no clue in this parsha. Stop before you sound even more foolish.
Would you say this had the waters ch"v gone a few feet higher ?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 27, 2017, 10:50:18 PM
You obviously have no clue in this parsha. Stop before you sound even more foolish.
The problem is there is a disconnect between those that own these facilities and those that run them.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:52:52 PM
Would you say this had the waters ch"v gone a few feet higher ?
I don't know the details in Texas or is that specific facility but based on what went on here in 2012, there is definitely plenty of room to say yes.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 10:55:40 PM
Would you say this had the waters ch"v gone a few feet higher ?
You have no idea about what evacuation attempts were made or if they were even thought to be needed before the storm. The staff lb day have followed all instructions given to them by the various authorities. You are making many assumptions and judging with little knowledge of the facts.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:56:43 PM
The problem is there is a disconnect between those that own these facilities and those that run them.
Could be. I'm not at all familiar with how things are down there. I do know that in my company there is no such disconnect whatsoever (although we're relatively a small company).
You'd be very surprised the oversight that the dozens of government agencies have over nursing homes. Could be 30-40 years ago it was different but not now.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yoruel on August 27, 2017, 10:58:28 PM
Is there a second floor in that facility?
Probably not, Texas has lots of space. Numerous wings per facility.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 10:58:39 PM
One important thing is that often, shelter-in-place is the best option (and may be even required for a non-critical unit) when there is a massive, widespead disaster like this.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 11:01:37 PM
But if there was in fact negligence, there will be plenty of coverage. 1) the government and regulatory like to show people that they take these things seriously (and justify their jobs) so they put out plenty of press releases 2) attorney will use the press to put more pressure on the owners when suing.
As they say, stay tuned!
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 27, 2017, 11:03:38 PM
Where is Trump?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 11:05:13 PM
Where is Trump?
Exactly where he is expected to be. On Twitter.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 11:06:03 PM
Is there a second floor in that facility?
no
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on August 27, 2017, 11:07:35 PM
Exactly where he is expected to be. On Twitter.
Sorry, my mistake. Who is he blaming this one on?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 11:07:37 PM
no
So now you are getting involved in many practical issues with getting them evacuated.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 11:08:10 PM
Where is Trump?
Wrong chat :P
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 27, 2017, 11:08:49 PM
Sorry, my mistake. Who is he blaming this one on?
Why does he need to blame someone at this point? If that becomes needed I am sure he will have someone. Hopefully it won't.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: TimT on August 27, 2017, 11:09:40 PM
So now you are getting involved in many practical issues with getting them evacuated.
1000%
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 27, 2017, 11:13:58 PM
1000%
Again (at least here in NY) during a widespread disaster, the government take control and tell you who goes where, who stays, etc. This is not only for EMS services. Even for things like backup generators, bottled water, medical supplies,  and so on. Any and all transfer agreements, employee sharing agreements, backup fuel supply contracts, and even food supply contracts all goes out the window.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 28, 2017, 12:06:54 AM
Dear Supporter,

As you are no doubt aware, the community in Houston, Texas is in the crosshairs of a devastating storm that has already flooded many neighborhoods and will likely cause much more damage in the next 24-48 hours.

In the words of the president of one of the shuls in Houston: "We will need major help. This is the worst flooding in Houston history! All homes are now under water! Between inches and 6'. Shul has 4'-8' - can't even get close. And there may be another 24-48 hrs of this. We will need to have serious conversations about restarting a community. I know that sounds extreme, but this is the big one!”

As a community, this is our opportunity to stand together and show our brothers and sisters in Houston that we stand with them in the spirit of Kol Yisrael Areivim Zeh Bazeh - that all of our people stand together as one.

Here are two ways you can help.

National Chizuk U'Tefilla Campaign - As Jews, we believe in the power of Tefilla (prayer), and we must also show those who are facing devastation in Houston that they have brethren from far and wide who care about them. Please use this link to commit to recite Tehillim for the Zechut (merit) of the Houston community and you can also post messages of chizuk (support) that will be passed directly on to members of the community.
Emergency Fundraising Campaign - As we work with the community to understand their specific needs, we will update our website with more information. Our full emergency fundraising campaign will launch with the next 24-48 hours. But for now - please click here to donate to the OU’s disaster relief fund in support of the Jewish community in Houston.May the merit of Klal Yisrael coming together to support a community in crisis bring us all a Shana Tovah.

With Gratitude,

Moishe Bane, President
Orthodox UnionAllen Fagin, Executive Vice President
Orthodox Union

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Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: yoohoo on August 28, 2017, 10:05:08 AM
Wow
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 28, 2017, 10:46:45 AM
Wow
I don't know when that was taken (or if its even real) but that is clearly LGA (Marriott in the background). I see that view every day from my office  window.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 28, 2017, 10:58:40 AM
I don't know when that was taken (or if its even real) but that is clearly LGA (Marriott in the background). I see that view every day from my office  window.

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/coastal-us-airports-face-increasing-threat-from-sea-level-rise-16126 (http://www.climatecentral.org/news/coastal-us-airports-face-increasing-threat-from-sea-level-rise-16126)
(http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/6-14-13-Andrew-LaGuardia-5-feet_720_297_s_c1_c_c.jpg)
What LaGuardia Airport could look like at high tide with 5 feet of sea level rise, an amount that could occur by 2100, according to some estimates.
Click on the image to enlarge. Credit: Nickolay Lamm/StorageFront  (http://www.storagefront.com/therentersbent)[/i][/font] interpretation of Climate Central data.

(http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/6-14-13-Andrew-LaGuardia-12-feet_720_295_s_c1_c_c.jpg)
What LaGuardia could look like at high tide with 12 feet of sea level rise, an amount that could occur by 2100, according to some estimates.
Click on the image to enlarge. Credit: Nickolay Lamm/StorageFront  (http://www.storagefront.com/therentersbent)[/i][/font] interpretation of Climate Central data.

(http://assets.climatecentral.org/images/made/6-14-13-Andrew-LaGuardia-25-feet_720_299_s_c1_c_c.jpg)
What LaGuardia could look like at high tide with 25 feet of sea level rise, an amount that would require a worst-case scenario involving melting of large parts of Greenland and Antarctica.
Click image to enlarge.
Credit: Nickolay Lamm/StorageFront (http://www.storagefront.com/therentersbent)[/i][/font] interpretation of Climate Central data.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: hide4 on August 28, 2017, 11:03:29 AM
Finally there will be more than 5 minutes of showering on board ::)
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 28, 2017, 11:04:56 AM
I don't know when that was taken (or if its even real) but that is clearly LGA (Marriott in the background). I see that view every day from my office  window.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Sammy82 on August 28, 2017, 11:06:07 AM

Look familiar? Just took that pic now.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 28, 2017, 11:09:34 AM
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Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on August 29, 2017, 10:13:29 AM
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Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Yammer on August 29, 2017, 11:46:42 PM
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Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: hide4 on August 30, 2017, 07:06:20 AM
The first 1 mil.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: thaber on August 30, 2017, 10:46:50 PM
https://seasonskosher.com/houston

https://www.facebook.com/ChabadOrg/videos/10155587061560883/
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: hide4 on August 31, 2017, 09:57:36 PM
https://www.google.co.il/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/08/31/politics/trump-donation-harvey-texas/index.html
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Shauly101 on September 01, 2017, 11:20:26 AM
wiki added
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Something Fishy on September 01, 2017, 11:25:40 AM
This is a forward, so FWIW:

Help in Houston !!!!!!! We are currently looking for up to 200 able bodied people to travel to Houston this coming week and physically help with cleanup, restoration, and distribution of supplies. Minimum age requirement is 16 years old. If any of the baalei Chessed on this group, Mosdos Chessed from our communities, or individuals would like to be included in this tremendous Chessed - please contact me via email at DKUSHNER@amudim.org
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2017, 11:30:32 AM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-thou-hast-sinned-1504221194
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Dan on September 01, 2017, 12:23:21 PM
https://www.wsj.com/articles/texas-thou-hast-sinned-1504221194
WSJ FB bypass link stopped working?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: username on September 01, 2017, 12:43:34 PM
WSJ FB bypass link stopped working?
Works for me fine. Want me to paste the article here?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2017, 12:50:40 PM
WSJ FB bypass link stopped working?
For me it is working in chrome but not FF
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2017, 01:02:50 PM
http://thefederalist.com/2017/08/31/5-problems-with-politicos-cartoon-mocking-texas-flood-victims/#.WamIkaMnNcw.twitter
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: aygart on September 01, 2017, 01:13:51 PM
WSJ FB bypass link stopped working?
It is the script blocker.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: regular on September 01, 2017, 02:54:28 PM
Works for me fine. Want me to paste the article here?
yes please
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Dawie on September 01, 2017, 02:58:35 PM
yes please

Who says progressives don’t believe in religion? They may not believe in Jehovah or Jesus, but they certainly believe in Old Testament-style wrath against sinners. Real Noah and the Ark stuff. Witness the emerging theme on the media left that Texas, and especially Houston, are at fault for the devastation of Hurricane Harvey.

This has happened even faster than usual, perhaps because the Katrina II scenario of emergency mismanagement didn’t pan out. The state, local and federal governments have done a competent job under terrible conditions, and stories about neighborly charity, racial goodwill, the heroism of rescuers, and Big Business donating money and goods don’t fit into any agenda. Whinging over Melania’s heels also lacks political legs.

So our friends on the left have had to look elsewhere to score ideological points, and they believe they’ve found the right target in the political economy of those greedy Texans. Specifically, Houston is a global hub of the oil and gas industry, and it has allowed “laissez-faire” development without zoning laws. This has brought the righteous wrath of Harvey down on their own heads.

“Harvey, the Storm That Humans Helped Cause,” said a headline in one progressive bellwether as the storm raged. An overseas columnist was less subtle if more clichéd: “Houston, you have a problem, and some of it of your own making.” In this telling, Houston is the Sodom and Gomorrah of fossil fuels, which cause global warming, which is producing more hurricanes.

The problem is that this argument is fact-free. As Roger Pielke Jr. has noted, the link between global warming and recent hurricanes and extreme weather events is “unsupportable based on research and evidence.” Mr. Pielke, who is no climate-change denier, has shown with data that hurricanes hitting the U.S. have not increased in frequency or intensity since 1900, there is no notable trend up or down in global tropical cyclone landfalls since 1970, and floods have not increased in frequency or intensity in the U.S. since 1950.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration recently said that “it is premature to conclude that human activities—and particularly greenhouse gas emissions that cause global warming—have already had a detectable impact on Atlantic hurricane or global tropical cyclone activity.”

No less than the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change says it lacks evidence to show that global warming is making storms and flooding worse. But climate scolds still blame Harvey on climate change because, well, this is what the climate models say should happen as the climate warms.

In other words, Houstonians, you’d better go to climate confession, mend your sinful ways, and give up all of those high-paying oil-and-gas jobs. Maybe all those drillers and refiners can work for Google or Facebook .

Then there’s the political assault on Houston’s pro-growth development policies. “Harvey Wasn’t Just Bad Weather. It Was Bad City Planning,” shouts a piece in Bloomberg Businessweek: “Sprawling Houston is a can-do city whose attitude is grow first, ask questions later. It’s the only major U.S. city without a zoning code saying what types of buildings can go where, so skyscrapers sometimes sprout next to split-levels. Voters have repeatedly opposed enacting a zoning law.”

How dare those Texas hicks reject the political controls over building that zoning laws represent. How dare they prefer lower construction costs and affordable housing. The average rent on a one-bedroom home in Houston is 60% lower than in San Jose, Calif., in part because the city issues permits once builders satisfy a health and safety checklist. They don’t have many mandates that raise costs. Tens of thousands of people move to Houston and its swampy climate because they can get good jobs and afford to live there.


Zoning also has little or nothing to do with flooding. Some on the left blame roads built over wetlands. But according to Joel Kotkin’s Center for Opportunity Urbanism, the main problem is Houston’s topography. Its clay soil doesn’t absorb water well and the flat city doesn’t drain well. In the 1800s when there were no highways or parking lots, parts of the city were often flooded.

The loss of wetlands since the early 1990s has reduced Houston’s capacity to absorb water by some four billion gallons, but Harvey dropped trillions of gallons of rain. Harris County which surrounds Houston has expanded storm-water retention ponds. But no amount of flood control could have prevented damage from a once-in-500-years storm.

New York City has plenty of zoning and building limits, yet it suffered $19 billion in damage from Hurricane Sandy that dropped only a half inch of rain. Fifty-one square miles of New York were flooded by Sandy’s storm surge, 300,000 homes and 23,400 businesses were inundated. “Smart growth” plans didn’t prevent that.

***
All of this shows the folly of trying to force-feed natural disasters into neat ideological categories. Major storms cause major damage, and sometimes even the best mitigation plans can’t prevent it. No doubt Houston will learn lessons from Harvey about drainage and building that might reduce the damage the next time. Risk-based insurance for property would also help reduce taxpayer losses.

Texans are used to being sneered at by coastal elites, and we trust they’ll reject this attempt at their moral improvement too. Their rebuilding will be that much faster, and cheaper, because they have a resilient economy built on energy and zoning laws that make housing affordable. They also know the difference between an act of nature and progressive political opportunism.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: good sam on September 02, 2017, 10:45:25 PM
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Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 04, 2017, 11:00:56 AM
Anyone around for a Houston clean up DO?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 04, 2017, 07:40:45 PM
A mini Houston TR:

Day 1 of 2

 I am one of 26 men and women who came down from Baltimore. Our original flight from BWI got canceled and we were forced to fly from DCA. Early morning flight, about 7 AM,  basically no hitch.  One slight hiccup with our overweight luggage, but I was able to convince Southwest to let us go because we were going to Houston for disaster relief.

 When we arrived at our assigned houses, we were met with utter dismay. The sheer distruction of blocks and blocks of houses,  you cannot even imagine. Pictures do not do it justice.

It's now dinner time and the community is gathered at the local JCC. A fellow from Dallas,  drove in with his barbecue pit smoker and was sponsored to serve the community  breakfast and dinner. Greatest smoked brisket I've ever had in my entire life. Almost makes it worth the trip, unfortunately, LOL.

 Too tired to type anymore, and will I"YH resume demolition bright in early tomorrow morning. Oh yeah, and breakfast will be fleishigs.
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Dawie on September 05, 2017, 11:42:56 AM
A mini Houston TR:

Day 1 of 2

 I am one of 26 men and women who came down from Baltimore. Our original flight from BWI got canceled and we were forced to fly from DCA. Early morning flight, about 7 AM,  basically no hitch.  One slight hiccup with our overweight luggage, but I was able to convince Southwest to let us go because we were going to Houston for disaster relief.

 When we arrived at our assigned houses, we were met with utter dismay. The sheer distruction of blocks and blocks of houses,  you cannot even imagine. Pictures do not do it justice.

It's now dinner time and the community is gathered at the local JCC. A fellow from Dallas,  drove in with his barbecue pit smoker and was sponsored to serve the community  breakfast and dinner. Greatest smoked brisket I've ever had in my entire life. Almost makes it worth the trip, unfortunately, LOL.

 Too tired to type anymore, and will I"YH resume demolition bright in early tomorrow morning. Oh yeah, and breakfast will be fleishigs.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1353020/amazing-texas-kosher-bbq-serving-1000-meals-day-houstons-harvey-victims.html

Gotta love Chaim

https://www.facebook.com/texaskosherbbq/posts/1997479683818496
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 05, 2017, 01:55:04 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1353020/amazing-texas-kosher-bbq-serving-1000-meals-day-houstons-harvey-victims.html

Gotta love Chaim

https://www.facebook.com/texaskosherbbq/posts/1997479683818496
Ya he makes good BBQ. Tonight is roast beef and sausages! Should be good!!
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: Suave on September 05, 2017, 04:23:33 PM
Anyone want to fly down to Houston with me tomorrow?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: rs242 on September 06, 2017, 12:47:39 AM
Anyone want to fly down to Houston with me tomorrow?
U think his brisket is that good?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 06, 2017, 12:48:17 AM
U think his brisket is that good?
He won't be there tomorrow
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: rs242 on September 06, 2017, 12:49:31 AM
He won't be there tomorrow
In his video he said he going for two weeks
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 06, 2017, 10:10:05 AM
In his video he said he going for two weeks
He's gone for a few days but will be back. Has a wedding back home I believe. He's gonna come back and cook a few thousand meals for the upcoming yomim tovim! Incredible!
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 06, 2017, 05:11:18 PM
A mini Houston TR cont...

Before going to sleep on day 1 we all wanted to go out somewhere, as it was our one and only night on Houston. I wanted to find a place that had a mechanical bull but that didn't work out too well. Instead the team settled on going out to Genesis for a midnight snack. Pretty good decision. The food was better than we expected and i would recommend this restaurant to anyone. Worth a quick jaunt if anyone has the time.

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Day 2 began with Shacharis at the Chabad school. Beautiful building and amazing ppl there. They offered us breakfast but we all decided to go to Randall's supermarket as it had a kosher bakery section and a Starbucks. I highly recommend the bakery, and especially their donut/pastry section. Wow!

Standing online at the Starbucks kiosk, all of a sudden we hear over the supermarket loudspeakers: "Attention customers and employees, please evacuate the building immediately." The fire dept. had shown up, and turns out one of the stand-alone takeout carts had caught on fire. Nothing too dramatic (didn't get my morning cup o' joe though, harrumph).

We then drove to our assigned home that needed a complete demolition. The poor old lady who lived there, we couldn't save anything. Threw out all the furniture, tore down the ceilings, removed dry wall, the smell, the mold, the devastation, i have no words. The community.lost.everything!!! One person even said, the cloths you see me in are all that i have left. So sad.

Our next job was to unload and organize all of the trucks of donations organized by Achiezer and Seasons. They rented a warehouse where all of the community can come to restock on basic supplies. All i can say is Mi K'Amcha Yisrael. Everything a person needs to survive was donated from ppl all over the world. Toiletries, clothing, baby needs, food, food, food, electronics, bedding, air mattresses with notes on them from children saying things like, i hope you can find some comfort in Houston. Adorable. What an operation and what a tremendous demonstration of chessed!!

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The A Team 

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A quarter of 1 truck, basically.

What is going on in Houston now and what/how can you help?

Most of the city is back to normal and people are trying to get back into their daily routine, especially areas that were not flooded too bad. Most of the affected areas already got most of the demolition work done and now they are packing things up and moving out so they can start rebuilding. These areas need moving supplies (boxes, bubble wrap, packing paper). They also need trucks to move stuff into storage. These homes desperately need MoldX or similar mold prevention chemicals. They also need help packing and moving.
Some people could not get to their homes until this week. Those people are racing the clock to get the drywall and floors out before mold sets in. These people need help with demolition. Many are elderly and cannot do the heavy work themselves. (Most of the for profit crews are too busy and insurance hasn't started paying yet).

At this point we were pretty much done for the day as we still needed to shower, eat supper, and get to the airport to catch our flight home. I was going to find a cheap SPG or Hilton and use points to get a room for the team to shower in, but one of our crew had called the local YMCA and they graciously opened their doors for us to shower in. It was quite the experience, lol! We then drove back to HQ for a quick bite of supper, and then headed to the airport. Fastest security check-in of my life. Our Southwest flight had a grand total of 32 ppl plus a lap child. The flight attendants gave us all a shoutout over the loudspeaker and opened up their bar to us throughout the flight. The trip ended with a cool lighting storm just below us (couldn't get pictures, too dark), and an awkward one-sided hug from the stewardess as i walked off the plane. Thank you Susan!  ::)

Bottom line, there is a tremendous amount of destruction and we spent about 35/48 hours helping out as much as we can. The community was of course very grateful for all the help we gave them, and now it's off to Florida as Hurricane Irma approaches.  ;)

Here are just a few of the pictures we all took (the pictures do not do anything justice).

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Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: cozmohoot on September 06, 2017, 08:48:43 PM
Mi Keamcha yisroel!
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: regular on September 06, 2017, 08:53:02 PM
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Is that Artscroll Gemaras?
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: bb1836 on September 06, 2017, 08:54:32 PM
Is that Artscroll Gemaras?
Yes  :-[ A whole pile of Shaimos
Title: Re: Hurricane Harvey
Post by: regular on September 06, 2017, 08:55:23 PM
Yes  :-[ A whole pile of Shaimos
Oiy