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Title: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Zevel on September 26, 2017, 08:39:42 PM
Hi

Does anyone have any suggestions for a song for אמרו לאלוקים and מעשה אלוקינו?

Thanx
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: MeirS on September 26, 2017, 08:48:52 PM
Hi

Does anyone have any suggestions for a song for אמרו לאלוקים and מעשה אלוקינו?

Thanx
In which type of crowd?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Zevel on September 26, 2017, 08:51:46 PM
yeshivish. no carlebach
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: chaimmayer on September 26, 2017, 10:14:09 PM
I use carlebach's yachad yachad
And also what is now known as the chabadsker niggun
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on September 26, 2017, 11:37:12 PM
Hi

Does anyone have any suggestions for a song for אמרו לאלוקים and מעשה אלוקינו?

Thanx
Nothing like a good majestic style waltz or March.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 26, 2017, 11:40:01 PM
https://mostlymusic.com/products/yaron-gershovsky-cd

10 - Niggun (7:44)

https://www.shazam.com/track/83468343/nigun
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 27, 2017, 12:06:04 AM
Try this: https://youtu.be/yJei43aA8DU
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: good sam on September 27, 2017, 12:24:56 AM
Forget the songs and use nusach. It's beautiful and shaves off 20 minutes.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on September 27, 2017, 12:28:18 AM
Forget the songs and use nusach. It's beautiful and shaves off 20 minutes.
What's wrong with part singing and part nusach?
Try this: https://youtu.be/yJei43aA8DU
Are you sure you sent the right thing? I don't get how this matches the words, mood, or liturgical style of the piyut.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 27, 2017, 12:30:24 AM
I use carlebach's yachad yachad
And also what is now known as the chabadsker niggun

Ugh, the infamous 'Chabadsker Niggun' which was basically stolen from Lubavitch and litvish-fied. The fact that it has the name 'Chabadsker' is of little comfort as the song is still stolen; but moreover, even the term 'Chabadsker' itself is never used by Lubavitch.
/rant
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on September 27, 2017, 12:44:35 AM
Ugh, the infamous 'Chabadsker Niggun' which was basically stolen from Lubavitch and litvish-fied. The fact that it has the name 'Chabadsker' is of little comfort as the song is still stolen; but moreover, even the term 'Chabadsker' itself is never used by Lubavitch.
/rant

Infamous?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: good sam on September 27, 2017, 12:55:04 AM


What's wrong with part singing and part nusach?
To me, the part singing and part nusach is a ראיה that it shouldn't be sung in the first place.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yammer on September 27, 2017, 01:34:57 AM
Nothing like a good majestic style waltz or March.
+💯
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on September 27, 2017, 06:21:16 AM
To me, the part singing and part nusach is a ראיה that it shouldn't be sung in the first place.
You must have never heard a song that captures the mood of the piyut and really brings out the words.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Sam Finkelstein on September 27, 2017, 06:51:56 AM
Are you sure you sent the right thing? I don't get how this matches the words, mood, or liturgical style of the piyut.

Yes. But it works only for Maasei Elokeinu. Email me via the forums and I can record it.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: chaimmayer on September 27, 2017, 09:42:51 AM
Ugh, the infamous 'Chabadsker Niggun' which was basically stolen from Lubavitch and litvish-fied. The fact that it has the name 'Chabadsker' is of little comfort as the song is still stolen; but moreover, even the term 'Chabadsker' itself is never used by Lubavitch.
/rant
You are entitled to be upset
That's why I was מדקדק when I wrotewrote
And also what is now known as the chabadsker niggun
The problem with מלך עליון is that it's too long to use just a low part and too short to use a low part and a high part.
The kuntz of the two niggunim I mentioned is that they'd fit pretty well.
I know not every Shul is ok with this but by us we sing it straight rather than doing it responsively so that makes the singing not as slow.
I still struggle how much of it to sing.  When I'm a massacist I sing all 22 stanzas.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on September 27, 2017, 09:57:54 AM
You must have never heard a song that captures the mood of the piyut and really brings out the words.

Post audio or retract.

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ben89 on September 27, 2017, 10:13:19 AM
שומרי מצוותיה is a three part song. I did it once. Just work out beforehand how to fit in the words but it fits pretty much
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on September 27, 2017, 11:08:10 AM
Post audio or retract.
I don't record myself on the Sabbath or Holidays.  :P
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2017, 02:35:19 PM
שומרי מצוותיה is a three part song. I did it once. Just work out beforehand how to fit in the words but it fits pretty much
Please. No. That song is coming out of my ears.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 27, 2017, 03:15:49 PM
Ki Hinei Kachomer is the chabad YK nigun that does it for me.
Hauntingly beautiful.

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927856/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/862521/jewish/23-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3795849/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer-with-Rogers-Park-Band.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140751/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: whYME on September 27, 2017, 03:49:09 PM
Ki Hinei Kachomer is the chabad YK nigun that does it for me.
Hauntingly beautiful.
+1
Especially while crammed into 770 with thousands of people :P

(and for those not following in the video thread, yes it is a Chabad niggun)

SOTD: Ki Hinei KaChomer, Chabad Style

Here are two takes on Chabad's Ki Hinei Kachomer

Project Tzama


Rogers Park


Bonus from Project Tzama: Yaaleh Tachanunenu

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: skyguy918 on September 27, 2017, 04:25:59 PM
Ki Hinei Kachomer is the chabad YK nigun that does it for me.
Hauntingly beautiful.

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927856/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/862521/jewish/23-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3795849/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer-with-Rogers-Park-Band.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140751/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
Abie Rotenberg's version is really nice too - similar flow, which I guess is somewhat dictated by the structure of the tefila.

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: good sam on September 27, 2017, 05:27:47 PM
שומרי מצוותיה is a three part song. I did it once. Just work out beforehand how to fit in the words but it fits pretty much
Way too slow
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 27, 2017, 07:03:52 PM
Abie Rotenberg's version is really nice too - similar flow, which I guess is somewhat dictated by the structure of the tefila.

https://www.youtube.com/FIADnmIpvKc

On that note, this is an Able Rotenberg (Deveykus) song which is basically a copy of the Ki Hinei that Dan posted:

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2017, 09:23:59 PM
+1
Especially while crammed into 770 with thousands of people :P

(and for those not following in the video thread, yes it is a Chabad niggun)
As mentioned in that thread, Lakewood sings this song, and so do the Israeli Litveshe Yeshivos.
What's your source that it's truly chabad?

BTW, the piano version Dan linked is stunning!
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2017, 09:28:34 PM
On that note, this is an Able Rotenberg (Deveykus) song which is basically a copy of the Ki Hinei that Dan posted:


I highly doubt Abie doesn't give proper credit, it's exactly the same song. I'm sure he doesn't claim to have composed it.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: whYME on September 27, 2017, 09:45:03 PM


What's your source that it's truly
chabad
as stated there (kinda,) the mesorah by chabad is that it was composed by R' Aharon* Charitonov. If you have alternative facts we can look a little deeper. I'm not gonna doubt it simply based on the fact that it's sung in Lakewood etc.

*apparently some people say it was actually his brother R' Shalom who composed it, but that's besides the point.
 
 

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: aygart on September 27, 2017, 09:53:54 PM
In general I find the Yom Kippur night piyutim to be beautiful and meaningful. The only one that that comes to a similar level but on a totally different plane is shabbos hagodol
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 27, 2017, 11:35:14 PM
as stated there (kinda,) the mesorah by chabad is that it was composed by R' Aharon* Charitonov. If you have alternative facts we can look a little deeper. I'm not gonna doubt it simply based on the fact that it's sung in Lakewood etc.

*apparently some people say it was actually his brother R' Shalom who composed it, but that's besides the point.
Thx for the info.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 12:34:51 AM
Ki Hinei Kachomer is the chabad YK nigun that does it for me.
Hauntingly beautiful.

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927856/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/862521/jewish/23-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3795849/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer-with-Rogers-Park-Band.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140751/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm

That, together with Yaaleh, Solachti, Rachamana and Avinu Malkeinu....
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 28, 2017, 03:43:34 AM
That, together with Yaaleh, Solachti, Rachamana and Avinu Malkeinu....
+1
And don't forget Ki Anu Amecha (both, really, but I mean the more common one) and Darkecha Elokeinu all of which the Rebbe himself taught. They're among the top of my list.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on September 28, 2017, 07:22:55 AM
as stated there (kinda,) the mesorah by chabad is that it was composed by R' Aharon* Charitonov. If you have alternative facts we can look a little deeper. I'm not gonna doubt it simply based on the fact that it's sung in Lakewood etc.

*apparently some people say it was actually his brother R' Shalom who composed it, but that's besides the point.

Mane his brother shalom was a snag
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 07:27:31 AM
Mane his brother shalom was a snag
Ain't no way a snag could sing a niggun like he did.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Essen est zich on September 28, 2017, 11:42:28 AM
https://youtu.be/uFdXXJNxxmY
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 11:49:43 AM
That, together with Yaaleh, Solachti, Rachamana and Avinu Malkeinu....
+1
And don't forget Ki Anu Amecha (both, really, but I mean the more common one) and Darkecha Elokeinu all of which the Rebbe himself taught. They're among the top of my list.
Yup, all of those are amazing, but Ki Hinei Kachomer is the the one that really does it for me.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 12:09:33 PM
As mentioned in that thread, Lakewood sings this song, and so do the Israeli Litveshe Yeshivos.
What's your source that it's truly chabad?

BTW, the piano version Dan linked is stunning!
So does LW also use the Chabad Yaaleh?

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927863/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Yaaleh-Tachanuneinu.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2615476/jewish/Nigun-Yaaleh-Tachanuneinu.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140705/jewish/Yaale.htm
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 12:11:36 PM
https://youtu.be/uFdXXJNxxmY
How did #6 - והביאותים end up there? Is that in sefer hanigunim?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 28, 2017, 12:15:36 PM
How did #6 - והביאותים end up there? Is that in sefer hanigunim?
+1
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 12:17:25 PM
How did #6 - והביאותים end up there? Is that in sefer hanigunim?

The same way Ki Hinei Kachomer ended up in Lakewood  :P
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 12:20:15 PM
So does LW also use the Chabad Yaaleh?

I know the tune is used plenty, I'm wondering if it is used universally for yaaleh

;D
(I was wondering how you wouldn't know that tune)

I've never heard it put to those words
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 12:25:16 PM
In general I find the Yom Kippur night piyutim to be beautiful and meaningful.
Indeed. As are הושענות for הושענא רבה.

However, as a side note, Ashkenazic liturgy is a lot more cryptic and inconsistent with דקדוק than is Sephardic. Part of the תענוג of the liturgy is decrypting it.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 12:28:16 PM
as stated there (kinda,) the mesorah by chabad is that it was composed by R' Aharon* Charitonov. If you have alternative facts we can look a little deeper. I'm not gonna doubt it simply based on the fact that it's sung in Lakewood etc.

*apparently some people say it was actually his brother R' Shalom who composed it, but that's besides the point.
skip to 8:32 http://www20.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/20-05-Nusach-V-Nislach-Ya-aleh-Ki-Hineh-Kachomer-Heichal-Neginah.mp3

1st day Rosh Hashono Rabbi Mendy Blau used this niggun in 770 for יי מלך, יי מלך, יי ימלוך לעולם ועד, fit beautifully.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: aygart on September 28, 2017, 12:29:19 PM
The same way Ki Hinei Kachomer ended up in Lakewood  :P
Abie sang that one too?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 12:30:51 PM
Abie sang that one too?
Who's Abie?  :P

Listed somewhere here (http://www.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/)?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: whYME on September 28, 2017, 12:36:02 PM
Solachti
I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand I really like it but on the other hand the tune doesn't quite fit the words as perfectly as the others.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 12:37:47 PM
for יי מלך, יי מלך, יי ימלוך לעולם ועד, fit beautifully.

Chabad House I daven in uses "Our Ancestry" - it fits perfectly.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 12:38:43 PM
I have mixed feelings about this one. On one hand I really like it but on the other hand the tune doesn't quite fit the words as perfectly as the others.
You really need Mottel Berkowitz in order to make the words fit.  ;)
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 12:39:55 PM
Chabad House I daven in uses "Our Ancestry" - it fits perfectly.
Link? Couldn't find "Our Ancestry" listed here (http://www.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/).
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 12:41:56 PM
Link? Couldn't find "Our Ancestry" listed here (http://www.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/).

Right next to Abie  :P

It's off Tzlil V'Zemer's Wake Up Yidden album. Doesn't seem to be on Youtube (though most of Tzlil V'Zemer is). I'll try get it

ETA: It's here: https://soundcloud.com/ddf-sod/audiotrack-04
H/T @BerB
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 02:48:13 PM
So does LW also use the Chabad Yaaleh?

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927863/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Yaaleh-Tachanuneinu.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2615476/jewish/Nigun-Yaaleh-Tachanuneinu.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140705/jewish/Yaale.htm
No, we sing that for Pischu Li by Hallel.


The mesorah is that Rav Yankel Shtinkavitch made it up in Kletzk in 1874, (some say his brother Getzel made it up)  :P
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 03:06:45 PM
No, we sing that for Pischu Li by Hallel.


The mesorah is that Rav Yankel Shtinkavitch made it up in Kletzk in 1874, (some say his brother Getzel made it up)  :P

I know you're joking, but the "mesorah" you're teasing about doesn't go that far back, and the Charitonows are renowned within what was a relatively small community. It's like you telling me, "my cousin's grandfather made up that song."
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 28, 2017, 03:06:52 PM
No, we sing that for Pischu Li by Hallel.


The mesorah is that Rav Yankel Shtinkavitch made it up in Kletzk in 1874, (some say his brother Getzel made it up) 
Nope, I think the middle link is pischu. Top and bottom are the universal yaaleh.

All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

Chabbad niggunim are tzoma, 4 bbovas etc. These are totally different styles.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:11:00 PM
Nope, I think the middle link is pischu. Top and bottom are the universal yaaleh.


All 3 links are the same tune.

It's a very very similar tune to the tune LW uses for Pischu Li
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 03:13:17 PM
It's a very very similar tune to the tune LW uses for Pischu Li
But then where does LW use the Chabad Yemin Hashem/Pischu Li ;)
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:13:33 PM

All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

I always thought like you, that the Yaaleh/Pischu Li and Ki hinei were Universal Ashkenazi songs.

But maybe their Chabad, and were adopted by Litvaks.

I didn't hear good enough proof either way.

I'm undecided.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:16:55 PM
I know you're joking, but the "mesorah" you're teasing about doesn't go that far back, and the Charitonows are renowned within what was a relatively small community. It's like you telling me, "my cousin's grandfather made up that song."
I hear you, it may be true.

Those 2 songs are literally classics in the Litveshe world.

Keili Atah is also a classic, but we know it's Chabad.

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 03:19:58 PM
Keili Atah is also a classic, but we know it's Chabad.
That's the difference between songs composed by a Chabad Rebbe vs a Chosid.
There's a rich catalog of each.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 03:20:39 PM
Chabbad niggunim are tzoma, 4 bbovas etc. These are totally different styles.
That's the difference between songs composed by a Chabad Rebbe vs a Chosid.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:21:28 PM
But then where does LW use the Chabad Yemin Hashem/Pischu Li ;)

We don't use that tune.

And indeed it is much more Chabad sounding than the other 2, as CBC pointed out.

But not all Chabad songs have the distinctive Chabad sound, so it doesn't prove anything.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 28, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
I always thought like you, that the Yaaleh/Pischu Li and Ki hinei were Universal Ashkenazi songs.

But maybe their Chabad, and were adopted by Litvaks.

I didn't hear good enough proof either way.

I'm undecided.


ברי ושמא ברי עדיף
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 03:21:49 PM
We don't use that tune.

And indeed it is much more Chabad sounding than the other 2
That's the difference between songs composed by a Chabad Rebbe vs a Chosid.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:27:50 PM

Which Rebbe composed Yemin Hashem?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 28, 2017, 03:28:16 PM
Which Rebbe composed Yemin Hashem?
Tzemach Tzedek
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:29:53 PM
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the song composed by the Rebbes have more of a distinct sound?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: whYME on September 28, 2017, 03:30:41 PM
"my cousin's grandfather made up that song."
I'm not sure if you mean that literally or figuratively :P
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:31:30 PM
Who composed Anim Zemiros?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 03:32:35 PM
All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

IDK.

However see: https://www.ivelt.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=244498&sid=a2fe10c4c2216523b77dc6bc400cfdbc#p244498 keep reading down from there a few posts.
and
http://www.chabad.co.il/?template=article&topic=293&article=3245 (last section titled: "לאן נעלמו שירי הלויים")

I don't think any of this proves anything. I haven't heard until today the rumor that Ki Hinei Kachoimer was composed by one of the Charitonows, but now that I've heard that, is there any other rumor/tradition/legend about the source of the tune?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 03:32:51 PM
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that the song composed by the Rebbes have more of a distinct sound?
Absolutely.
All of the songs you and CBC have mentioned as what you think of traditionally chabad nigunim were composed by Rebbeim.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 03:34:48 PM
Who composed Anim Zemiros?
Anim Zemiros sung in Lubavitch is one of the niggunim taught by the Rebbe on Simchas Torah 5722 http://www20.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/12-09-Anim-Z-Miros-Heichal-Neginah.mp3
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 03:36:09 PM
Absolutely.
All of the songs you and CBC have mentioned as what you think of traditionally chabad nigunim were composed by Rebbeim.
http://chabadpedia.co.il/index.php/%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%92%D7%95%D7%9F_%D7%9E%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%95%D7%9F

http://chabadpedia.co.il/index.php/%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A8%D7%98%D7%9C:%D7%A0%D7%99%D7%92%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%99_%D7%97%D7%91%22%D7%93
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:36:33 PM
Absolutely.
All of the songs you and CBC have mentioned as what you think of traditionally chabad nigunim were composed by Rebbeim.
Interesting. I've heard the distinct sound has to do with them living in Russia. And it was a Russian music influence.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:38:08 PM
Anim Zemiros sung in Lubavitch is one of the niggunim taught by the Rebbe on Simchas Torah 5722 http://www20.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/12-09-Anim-Z-Miros-Heichal-Neginah.mp3
Did he compose it? Because if he did, I'm becoming a meshichist. That song was definitely a nevuah!
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 03:40:07 PM
Did he compose it? Because if he did, I'm becoming a meshichist. That song was definitely a nevuah!
Did you listen to the entire thing until the end? There's a story there.

BTW, you are already a meshichist!  ;)
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 03:42:32 PM
Interesting. I've heard the distinct sound has to do with them living in Russia. And it was a Russian music influence.

From the Nigunei Chabad Portal linked above:

בכללות מתחלקים הניגונים לשלוש קטגוריות:
ניגון מכוון: ניגון שהוא פרי חיבורו של האדמו"ר. כל תנועה בניגון רומזת לענין גבוה ונשגב ותנועותיו מכוונות לעולמות עליונים.
ניגון מיוחס (ממולא): ניגון שגדולי החסידים התפללו בו ולכן הוא "ממולא". כלומר, בעל תוכן המחזיק בתוכו תמצית פנימית, בבטאו איזה רגש נפשי.
ניגון שוטה: ניגון שהוא כמו 'הדס שוטה', שאינו אומר ולא כלום, הם ניגונים שונים שהתווספו אצל החסידים במשך הזמן, מהם ניתן ללמוד הוראות בעבודת השם וכיו"ב.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:43:20 PM
Did you listen to the entire thing until the end? There's a story there.

BTW, you are already a meshichist!  ;)
I didn't listen to the whole thing.

True true, achake lo bechal yom sheyavo
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 28, 2017, 03:53:55 PM
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 03:55:15 PM
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Welder on September 28, 2017, 03:59:03 PM
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
Yes - they both are.

Niggun #76 and #66, respectively.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 04:03:14 PM
Is either Yaaleh or Ki Hinei in there?
If you have access to Otzar Hachochma, sefer hanigunim is there: https://www.otzar.org/wotzar/book.aspx?141457
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: aygart on September 28, 2017, 04:05:59 PM
From the Nigunei Chabad Portal linked above:

בכללות מתחלקים הניגונים לשלוש קטגוריות:
ניגון מכוון: ניגון שהוא פרי חיבורו של האדמו"ר. כל תנועה בניגון רומזת לענין גבוה ונשגב ותנועותיו מכוונות לעולמות עליונים.
ניגון מיוחס (ממולא): ניגון שגדולי החסידים התפללו בו ולכן הוא "ממולא". כלומר, בעל תוכן המחזיק בתוכו תמצית פנימית, בבטאו איזה רגש נפשי.
ניגון שוטה: ניגון שהוא כמו 'הדס שוטה', שאינו אומר ולא כלום, הם ניגונים שונים שהתווספו אצל החסידים במשך הזמן, מהם ניתן ללמוד הוראות בעבודת השם וכיו"ב.
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1372645/alert-the-great-haddasim-scam-a-halachic-analysis-and-warning.html
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on September 28, 2017, 04:06:07 PM
Should this thread be broken off somewhere for Chabad Nigunim?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on September 28, 2017, 04:10:05 PM
Yah break it off. And more links to good recordings.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 04:12:14 PM
https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/1372645/alert-the-great-haddasim-scam-a-halachic-analysis-and-warning.html
מה עניין שמיטה אצל הר סיני?

That article seems to be nothing but an attempt to grab headlines. Anyone can check their hadassim, and many of the closed packages areinspectable before opened.

However, unlike a הדס שוטה which is not kosher, a ניגון שוטה, despite the fact that it isn't sourced properly, could have a positive contribution.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 04:13:52 PM
Yah break it off. And more links to good recordings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUvrINuGBKc
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on September 28, 2017, 04:16:02 PM
Nope, I think the middle link is pischu. Top and bottom are the universal yaaleh.

All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

Chabbad niggunim are tzoma, 4 bbovas etc. These are totally different styles.

That "etc" includes hundreds upon hundreds (http://www.chassidus.com/audio/nigun/) of songs composed over more than 200 years, by Rabbeim and Chassidim, across different countries.

Trying to pin a Chabad niggun by style is impossible.

Anyway, there are Chabad Chassidim with an encyclopedic knowledge of niggunim and their origins. They will tell you the different kvetches used in different villages for the same song. @ExGingi linked to one such person above, and if he says Aharon Charitonow composed Ki Hinei Kachomer, Aharon Charitonow composed the song.

I'm not sure if you mean that literally or figuratively :P

lol. Not literal in this case (though it is possible I'm related on my wife's side, impossible for me to keep track).
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 28, 2017, 04:28:48 PM
I don't think everyone here understands the degree of obsession that Chabad has with their Niggunim.

There is literally a Sefer HaNiggunim (2 vol.), which was published in the 1940s (IINM). The Niggunim are written out with musical notation and all the historical info, such as composer, date, place, style, meaning, stories, anecdotes, etc., is included.

When a Niggun is not original, and is adopted, that's written too.
Yes, because general universal niggunim that were adopted and sung by chabbad now become "chabad niggunim"
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 04:35:14 PM
Yes, because general universal niggunim that were adopted and sung by chabbad now become "chabad niggunim"
I think you are onto something here.

FYI, Moshe Rabeinu was also a Lubavitcher.  ;)
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: aygart on September 28, 2017, 04:36:27 PM
I think you are onto something here.

FYI, Moshe Rabeinu was also a Lubavitcher.  ;)
Sort of like the set of Kovetz sifrei chassidus (or something like that) which has not shortage of sforim by full fledged misnagdim included.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 04:39:06 PM
I think you are onto something here.

FYI, Moshe Rabeinu was also a Lubavitcher.  ;)
Moshe Rabbeinu, Moshiach and all the good songs?

You can only have 2!! :P
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 04:40:07 PM
Moshe Rabbeinu and Moshiach and all the good songs?

You can only have 2!! :P
Nah. Only need one. אין עוד מלבדו!  ;D
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 04:40:55 PM
Nah. Only need one. אין עוד מלבדו!  ;D
Hashem's a Lubavitcher? I thought he was a litvak! ;D
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on September 28, 2017, 04:41:58 PM
Hashem's a Lubavitcher? I thought he was a litvak! ;D
The Alter Rebbe was called "The Litvak"  :P
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 04:45:23 PM
The Alter Rebbe was called "The Litvak"  :P
Well, he was extremely good in learning...........
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 28, 2017, 04:46:30 PM


Composed by a Litvak, sung by a Lubavitcher. Gorgeous song.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: chaimmayer on September 28, 2017, 05:55:48 PM
I'm usually not so into the new stuff but I wish we would use mbd's new Yale but alas I think I'm probably the only person in the whole shul who knows it.
I also would prefer פנה לעלבון over what we use.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on September 28, 2017, 09:16:13 PM
All these niggunim are not chabbad, they are the standard ashkenaz nusach..

Chabbad niggunim are tzoma, 4 bbovas etc. These are totally different styles.
I always thought like you, that the Yaaleh/Pischu Li and Ki hinei were Universal Ashkenazi songs.

But maybe their Chabad, and were adopted by Litvaks.

I didn't hear good enough proof either way.

I'm undecided.

So you two are the sort of people who say that Aishes Chayil, Mizmoir L'Dovid, Yosis Alayich and Hamavdil, are not R'Ben Zion Shenker's A"H, but "Velts Niggunim", and that Ein Kitzvoh, Pischu Li, Omar Hashem L'Yaakov, V"Heishiv, Lo Seivoishi, and other countless niggunim that people sing for various words are not Modzitz?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 29, 2017, 01:08:52 PM
What's the origin of kol nidrei? Does anyone not use the regular tune?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: aygart on September 29, 2017, 01:58:10 PM
What's the origin of kol nidrei? Does anyone not use the regular tune?
Many differentr opinions.

http://www.jewish-music.huji.ac.il/content/kol-nidre-tune
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/9443-kol-nidre
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on September 29, 2017, 03:47:10 PM
So does LW also use the Chabad Yaaleh?

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927863/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Yaaleh-Tachanuneinu.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2615476/jewish/Nigun-Yaaleh-Tachanuneinu.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140705/jewish/Yaale.htm

The rebbe says its from brother shalom
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: aygart on September 29, 2017, 03:59:29 PM
I think some here are misunderstanding. There is no tune that "Lakewood uses" each minyan depends on its own baal tfila.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Baruch on September 29, 2017, 04:12:04 PM
I think some here are misunderstanding. There is no tune that "Lakewood uses" each minyan depends on its own baal tfila.
True
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 02, 2017, 07:16:32 PM
What tune do you use for "Hashem hu Hoelokim"?

We used this
https://youtu.be/Hb9FwlubyIQ
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on October 02, 2017, 08:34:14 PM
Once in a while a joke you make falls flat or is inappropriate ....
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on October 02, 2017, 09:03:30 PM
Once in a while a joke you make falls flat or is inappropriate ....
Understatement.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 02, 2017, 10:30:00 PM
Once in a while a joke you make falls flat or is inappropriate ....

This joke was in context of the R"H and Y"K davenning times threads. I was pushing a line to make a point. Apologies if I pushed it too far. Delete button is no longer there...
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: yelped on October 02, 2017, 10:55:41 PM
This joke was in context of the R"H and Y"K davenning times threads. I was pushing a line to make a point. Apologies if I pushed it too far. Delete button is no longer there...
Lol. There's a reason I didn't open those threads.... I assumed from the subject line that I may get upset at some of the content there. I, for one, love the Yomim Noiroim davening.
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on December 21, 2017, 04:11:44 PM
Ki Hinei Kachomer is the chabad YK nigun that does it for me.
Hauntingly beautiful.

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/2927856/jewish/Soul-Whispers-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/862521/jewish/23-Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3795849/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer-with-Rogers-Park-Band.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140751/jewish/Ki-Hinei-Kachomer.htm

@Dan

Can we get please vaani evtach boch, and didan natzach?
Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: ExGingi on December 21, 2017, 04:35:22 PM
@Dan

Can we get please vaani evtach boch, and didan natzach?
Here's vaani evtach boch (just that part, not full song) and another Lubavitch song out of Vizhnitz.

Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2017, 06:46:47 PM
@Dan

Can we get please vaani evtach boch, and didan natzach?
Podoh V'sholom:
http://www.chabad.org/therebbe/livingtorah/player_cdo/aid/3871127/jewish/Nigun-Podoh-Vsholom.htm
http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/140693/jewish/Podoh-Vsholom.htm
http://chabadinfo.com/video/steinmetz-sings-podoh-vsholom/



Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: Dan on December 21, 2017, 06:47:16 PM
@Dan

Can we get please vaani evtach boch, and didan natzach?

http://www.chabad.org/multimedia/media_cdo/aid/3291649/jewish/Lively-Chabad-Medley-in-Concert.htm (1:50)

Didan natzach:



Title: Re: songs for yamim noraim
Post by: henche on December 21, 2017, 11:45:44 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: henche on December 22, 2017, 11:30:08 AM
Here's one professionally recorded with music

http://chabadinfo.com/video/new-rendition-of-padah-vshalom/
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16276/jewish/Chapter-55.htm
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Dan on October 08, 2019, 11:35:49 AM
Ki Hinei Kachomer is the chabad YK nigun that does it for me.
Hauntingly beautiful.

+1
Especially while crammed into 770 with thousands of people :P

(and for those not following in the video thread, yes it is a Chabad niggun)


SOTD: Ki Hinei KaChomer, Chabad Style

Here are two takes on Chabad's Ki Hinei Kachomer

Project Tzama


Rogers Park


Bonus from Project Tzama: Yaaleh Tachanunenu

Bump for EY"K.
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Yonah on October 08, 2019, 01:21:57 PM
One of my favorite nigunnim for Yamim Noraim




Padeh B'Shalom speaks to me - Hasleych el Hashem Yehavecha vhu Ychalecha
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: ExGingi on October 08, 2019, 02:08:27 PM
One of my favorite nigunnim for Yamim Noraim




Padeh B'Shalom speaks to me - Hasleych el Hashem Yehavecha vhu Ychalecha

Very nice, but not Chabad niggun. Though in today's day and age you can't post this niggun without the rendition from the Saudi Blogger.
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Yonah on October 10, 2019, 09:15:23 AM
Very nice, but not Chabad niggun. Though in today's day and age you can't post this niggun without the rendition from the Saudi Blogger.

 :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2019, 10:39:27 PM
Very nice, but not Chabad niggun. Though in today's day and age you can't post this niggun without the rendition from the Saudi Blogger.
link?
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: ExGingi on October 10, 2019, 11:33:32 PM
link?
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Baruch on October 10, 2019, 11:57:31 PM
Thanks. Lol. Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Yamim noraim and Chabad Nigunim
Post by: Yonah on October 11, 2019, 08:58:09 AM

ROFLMAO!!!! I love that Nigun - Don't know if this kills it for me or makes me love it more :)