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Title: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on July 22, 2011, 01:06:22 AM
So, we finally have a wiki up at http://www.DansDeals.com/wiki, but it doesn't seem to be getting much use. Anyone care to comment?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AJK on July 22, 2011, 02:10:19 AM
Because complaining is a favorite past time, and, well, picking cotton (or any other form of labor) isn't.  :P
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: whYME on July 22, 2011, 02:22:37 AM
I imagine if it was integrated into the forum instead of something totally separate it would get used more.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on July 22, 2011, 02:25:58 AM
I imagine if it was integrated into the forum instead of something totally separate it would get used more.

+100 But there's no decent SMF plug-in wiki that we know of.

If you and BAHayman want to collaborate on setting this up, I won't object ;)
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AJK on July 22, 2011, 02:27:52 AM
+100 But there's no decent SMF plug-in wiki that we know of.

If you and BAHayman want to collaborate on setting this up, I won't object ;)

I'm no forum administrator, but how does SD do it?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: whYME on July 22, 2011, 02:28:55 AM
that actually sounds like it would be fun.
unfortunately there's now way I have time for it right now...

Who's SD?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on July 22, 2011, 02:29:03 AM
I'm no forum administrator, but how does SD do it?

SD doesn't use SMF...

Who's SD?

A competing deal site whose name we don't dare mention here ;)
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: whYME on July 22, 2011, 02:31:40 AM
A competing deal site whose name we don't dare mention here ;)
Yeah, I realized that after I had posted...
I haven't been to that site in years...
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on July 22, 2011, 02:37:14 AM
Yeah, I realized that after I had posted...
I haven't been to that site in years...

They have a great wiki implementation, their forum is coded in-house AFAIK, they're also hiring devs ATM.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AJK on July 22, 2011, 02:42:14 AM
They have a great wiki implementation, their forum is coded in-house AFAIK, they're also hiring devs ATM.

I nominate you to be the inhouse DDF dev.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on July 22, 2011, 02:45:49 AM
I nominate you to be the inhouse DDF dev.

That would be a bad idea, I can't code PHP for the life of mine.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: ChAiM'l on July 22, 2011, 05:56:56 AM
So, we finally have a wiki up at http://www.DansDeals.com/wiki, but it doesn't seem to be getting much use. Anyone care to comment?

I agree with whYME, when we requested a wiki, most of us had in mind an integrated one (SD style). So although the current one has potential, it's just too much of a hassle to use...
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Chaikel on July 22, 2011, 06:37:14 AM
I think we should make a thread and every time someone creates or edits a wiki, they can post in the thread
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: smurf on July 22, 2011, 09:06:35 AM
I think we should make a thread and every time someone creates or edits a wiki, they can post in the thread
+1
We need a master thread linking to all the current wiki pages.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on July 22, 2011, 09:31:39 AM
I think we should make a thread and every time someone creates or edits a wiki, they can post in the thread

It's here already (http://www.dansdeals.com/wiki/Special:RecentChanges). Notice the date filters where you can choose to see only edits within a certain range of time going back from today.

+1
We need a master thread linking to all the current wiki pages.

How is that different from this page (http://www.dansdeals.com/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&days=30)?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2011, 05:17:09 PM
Iy"h the main DD site will undergo it's first redesign since 2007 in the near future.

The forums and social media sections are likely to be featured more, but I guess the Wiki hasn't caught on.
Any reason to incorporate it into the new site?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on October 03, 2011, 05:19:35 PM
Iy"h the main DD site will undergo it's first redesign since 2007 in the near future.

The forums and social media sections are likely to be featured more, but I guess the Wiki hasn't caught on.
Any reason to incorporate it into the new site?

Care to tell us more about planned redesign, so we can share our input?

I think post-wikis (like on FW and SD) would be best, or at least allow members with post-counts of x or higher edit their OPs.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: BAHayman on October 03, 2011, 05:23:28 PM
Care to tell us more about planned redesign, so we can share our input?

I think post-wikis (like on FW and SD) would be best, or at least allow members with post-counts of x or higher edit their OPs.

+1, although I don't believe that is possible on SMF at the moment...
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: smurf on October 03, 2011, 05:27:32 PM
maybe incorporating the wiki more  into the new site is exactly what we need to get it jump-started
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2011, 05:28:24 PM
Care to tell us more about planned redesign, so we can share our input?

I think post-wikis (like on FW and SD) would be best, or at least allow members with post-counts of x or higher edit their OPs.
No redesign of DDF, just the main site.  I'll be sure to ask for feedback before switching over.
If anyone finds an SMF mod for post-wikis I'm all for that.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AJK on October 03, 2011, 05:30:07 PM
Is there a reason you're using SMF beyond it what you've been using?

Is it a huge pain to transition?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Dan on October 03, 2011, 05:31:35 PM
Is there a reason you're using SMF beyond it what you've been using?
Nope.  Eli set it up that way and I have little knowledge about other platforms or what it would entail to migrate.

Post-wikis would be nice, but honestly there are probably only about 20 threads where it would actually be useful.
I don't mind editing the OPs in those threads to include a link to the Wiki where people can summarize a 100 page thread in a few paragraphs.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Chaikel on October 03, 2011, 05:35:15 PM
maybe incorporating the wiki more  into the new site is exactly what we need to get it jump-started
+1
My original thought for DDW was to take the ctownbochur "Knowledge Base" and have it kept up to date, as there are things there that haven't worked for years. Maybe converting those pages to Wikis will help give the DD Knowledge Base a new life and a way to bring some of the DDF qualities to DD
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on October 03, 2011, 05:37:48 PM
If anyone finds an SMF mod for post-wikis I'm all for that.

I'm sure you know this, but for the benefit of anyone else reading this, we've looked before and AFAICR there are no stable options for this. I don't think anything has changed since.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: elikay on October 03, 2011, 10:27:55 PM
I'm sure you know this, but for the benefit of anyone else reading this, we've looked before and AFAICR there are no stable options for this. I don't think anything has changed since.
http://www.smfwiki.co.cc/ though it doesn't seem to be for in post and it is still in beta.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on October 03, 2011, 10:49:05 PM
http://www.smfwiki.co.cc/ though it doesn't seem to be for in post and it is still in beta.

If it isn't for in-post then how is it better than what we have now?

I've seen some in-post ones online, but they were still being developed with no recent updates (which means the developers are either distracted or they lost interest), so nothing solid there either.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 03, 2011, 10:56:20 PM
Why not atleast have a link on the DDF main page to the wiki?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: elikay on October 03, 2011, 11:20:46 PM
Why not atleast have a link on the DDF main page to the wiki?
Well if there's not much there, then what is the point?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 03, 2011, 11:22:18 PM
Well if there's not much there, then what is the point?

If you make it more accessible and drive traffic there maybe it will pick up. Unless you saw this thread how should you even know it existed?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: elikay on October 03, 2011, 11:37:48 PM
Valid point, I would put it on the forums main page until there is something to show.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on October 03, 2011, 11:52:56 PM
Valid point, I would put it on the forums main page until there is something to show.

Meh. We know about it and we still don't frequent the wiki. Personally I find it too cumbersome to use, granted I'd use it more if I knew many people went there (first) when looking for information.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 03, 2011, 11:55:37 PM
Meh. We know about it and we still don't frequent the wiki. Personally I find it too cumbersome to use, granted I'd use it more if I knew many people went there (first) when looking for information.

It's a catch 22. Only chance of it being of any use is to try breaking the cycle. Granted there is a good chance it won't help but what do you lose by trying?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: smurf on October 04, 2011, 01:53:15 PM
Why not atleast have a link on the DDF main page to the wiki?
The wiki isn't really a main page kinda of thing it's more a part of the forums. Integration with the forums would be a lot better than a main page link.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 04, 2011, 01:57:04 PM
The wiki isn't really a main page kinda of thing it's more a part of the forums. Integration with the forums would be a lot better than a main page link.

I agree but they seem to be saying that thats not going to be happening anytime soon. Wouldn't it make sense then to atleast have it accessible from DDF instead of keeping it as a separate entity?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: elikay on October 04, 2011, 02:46:50 PM
Meh. We know about it and we still don't frequent the wiki. Personally I find it too cumbersome to use, granted I'd use it more if I knew many people went there (first) when looking for information.
Agreed. If we can somehow have a wiki link at the OP of many of these threads (Dan can be asked to insert it at any point), it may help.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Dan on October 04, 2011, 02:49:32 PM
Just make a post here with a link to any wiki and any thread and I'll be happy to insert it into the OP.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 11, 2011, 04:51:08 PM
What are the necessary qualifications to post on the wiki?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: BAHayman on October 11, 2011, 05:47:21 PM
What are the necessary qualifications to post on the wiki?

Post count of 100+
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 11, 2011, 06:00:20 PM
Post count of 100+

It's not letting me login. Same user id and pass?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on October 11, 2011, 06:02:31 PM
It's not letting me login. Same user id and pass?

Try logging in on DDF and then go to the wiki URL (http://www.dansdeals.com/wiki/).
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: bubbles on October 11, 2011, 06:03:31 PM
Try logging in on DDF and then go to the wiki URL (http://www.dansdeals.com/wiki/).

that worked thnx
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: AsherO on October 11, 2011, 06:04:47 PM
that worked thnx

YW :)
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 02:52:38 PM
Didn't even know there was a regular wiki, thought there was only the thread wiki.
The thread wiki is much better though   :D :P
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: HelpMe on January 21, 2013, 03:04:15 PM
So, we finally have a wiki up at http://www.DansDeals.com/wiki, but it doesn't seem to be getting much use. Anyone care to comment?
Prediction: It will be used at first then you will find out it has been a waste of time. Please make me eat crow!!!
I am getting hungry.  :P
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Shmelly on January 21, 2013, 03:06:30 PM
OK yuneeq, who are you? I don't think you're JEWDA, you come off much more pleasant, but you are NOT new here.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: mmermss on January 21, 2013, 03:09:14 PM
OK yuneeq, who are you? I don't think you're JEWDA, you come off much more pleasant, but you are NOT new here.

-1

Trust me... :P
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: Shmelly on January 21, 2013, 03:10:43 PM
-1

Trust me... :P
Meaning he is jewda? Not following.
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 03:26:28 PM
-1

Trust me... :P

ALOL  ;D

Quote
I don't think you're JEWDA, you come off much more pleasant

I don't think I am more pleasant than JEWDA  ;D :P
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: mmermss on January 21, 2013, 03:27:14 PM

I don't think I am more pleasant than JEWDA  ;D :P

How would you know?
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: yuneeq on January 21, 2013, 03:35:33 PM
How would you know?

How would I know how pleasant JEWDA is?

That wouldn't be too hard for me to figure out, would it?  ??? :P
Title: Re: We asked for a wiki, got it, now we don't use it... Why not???
Post by: PlatinumGuy on January 21, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
I don't think you're JEWDA
Jewda isn't only a person, even if it's the same guy, he can be not a Jewda