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Title: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:05:53 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-sending-new-plane-take-diverted-passengers-goose-bay-air-force-base-tel-aviv/

Anyone here aboard?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: jackofall on January 14, 2018, 01:16:05 PM
DDFíers donít fly LY!!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Abebee on January 14, 2018, 01:16:53 PM
For now it just looks like fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, cousins, neighbors & friends  :)
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Luvisrael on January 14, 2018, 01:17:52 PM
Planes flying over 700 mph. pretty cool https://www.flightradar24.com/ELY1008/101fd7f2
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:25:46 PM
How has El Al been on paying out Israel delayed flight comp for mechanical failures?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:48:32 PM
LY1008 is flying at 757MPH!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on January 14, 2018, 01:51:53 PM
LY1008 is flying at 757MPH!
They trying to make up time 
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:52:22 PM
764MPH
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 14, 2018, 01:52:41 PM
Google says max speed is 988 km/h ??
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:54:17 PM
768!!!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 01:54:39 PM
How has El Al been on paying out Israel delayed flight comp for mechanical failures?
They pay what they're required to pay. It's the law.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: mmgfarb on January 14, 2018, 01:55:03 PM
764MPH
This is crazy!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 14, 2018, 01:55:31 PM
In dry air at 20 įC (68 įF), the sound barrier is reached when an object moves at a speed of 343 metres per second (about 767 mph, 1234 km/h or 1,125 ft/s).
Sound barrier - Wikipedia
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:55:59 PM
They pay what they're required to pay. It's the law.
Does the law specify diversions?
Anyone with experience getting comp for a diversion?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 01:59:19 PM
770!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 14, 2018, 02:00:26 PM
They won't help anyone if they shear the wings off!  Is the sound barrier higher at 35,000 feet?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 02:01:29 PM
Is the sound barrier higher at 35,000 feet?
Would love to know how this works as well.
@ludmila
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 14, 2018, 02:04:30 PM
Seems that sound travels slower at high altitude. Don't know what that means for stress on the air frame.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: mileagejunkie on January 14, 2018, 02:06:40 PM
Would love to know how this works as well.
@ludmila
They won't help anyone if they shear the wings off!  Is the sound barrier higher at 35,000 feet?
Jet streams, the plane can't go over 614 mph.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 02:07:18 PM
Right, but how does that work with the sound barrier?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Bostener on January 14, 2018, 02:07:56 PM
Shachris on the plane by Mair Porosh.

Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: mileagejunkie on January 14, 2018, 02:09:59 PM
Right, but how does that work with the sound barrier?
What do you mean? The air is carrying the sound and the plane at the same "initial" speed so it cancels off (to put it in simple terms).
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 02:32:53 PM
Can someone explain why LY8 from JFK hasn't been cancelled? Do they expect to have the flight from Goose Bay back in JFK in time for the flight tonight?
In the meantime, LY 1 from TLV tonight (12:45am) has been delayed to 7:15am as it awaits for this aircraft to arrive.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
Can someone explain why LY8 from JFK hasn't been cancelled? Do they expect to have the flight from Goose Bay back in JFK in time for the flight tonight?
In the meantime, LY 1 from TLV tonight (12:45am) has been delayed to 7:15am as it awaits for this aircraft to arrive.
I guess 1008 has a mechanic to sort out the issue
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 02:35:31 PM
Can someone explain why LY8 from JFK hasn't been cancelled? Do they expect to have the flight from Goose Bay back in JFK in time for the flight tonight?
Presumably.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 02:36:08 PM
I guess 1008 has a mechanic to sort out the issue
Any experience with getting delayed flight comp for a diversion?
Is it 3.070NIS now?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 02:44:03 PM
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 02:45:08 PM
Any experience with getting delayed flight comp for a diversion?
Is it 3.070NIS now?
Why should a diversion be any different than a regular mechanical failure? As long as they arrive at their destination 8 hrs after the scheduled arrival time.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: hvaces42 on January 14, 2018, 02:46:14 PM
Why should a diversion be any different than a regular mechanical failure? As long as they arrive at their destination 8 hrs after the scheduled arrival time.
Leave it up to LY to say they left on time so no comp.  :D
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yoohoo on January 14, 2018, 02:46:34 PM
Why donít planes fly 700+ mph all the time?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Something Fishy on January 14, 2018, 02:49:35 PM
Why donít planes fly 700+ mph all the time?

Fuel costs offset any time gains.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 02:49:51 PM
Why donít planes fly 700+ mph all the time?
There was a 200mph tailwind.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 02:51:17 PM
Shachris on the plane by Mair Porosh.
An MK sitting in economy?
#onlyinIsrael
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: BP16 on January 14, 2018, 02:56:03 PM
Why donít planes fly 700+ mph all the time?
https://youtu.be/n1QEj09Pe6k
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: mgarfin on January 14, 2018, 02:57:19 PM
An MK sitting in economy?
#onlyinIsrael

סגן שר החינוך!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Bostener on January 14, 2018, 02:59:34 PM
An MK sitting in economy?
#onlyinIsrael

Today he's not an MK he's a (סגן שר) Vice Minister and he's really well off too and El Al economy is enough for him.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: shapsam on January 14, 2018, 03:01:38 PM
Why donít planes fly 700+ mph all the time?
I was on a packed DL 767-300 from AMS-JFK we were cruising at 680 MPH (maybe even more, have to check my pictures again) for most of the flight.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
Before all the bash on how Elal handled this breaks loss;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_66
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/10/af66-goose-bay-recovery-efforts/

And regarding comp - this can easily fall in "Beyond control" http://www.tourism-law.co.il/pdf/AviationServicesLawENG.pdf - every airlines claims this, every airline, not just Elal
See Europe where people have taken the airlines to court
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_Compensation_Regulation_261/2004#Relevant_court_cases
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huzar_v_Jet2.com



Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 03:10:02 PM
Someone pointed out to me that they are likely flying mechanics in from JFK (on this 1008) and are hoping to fix it and fly back to JFK to do the flight tonight. Would be shocking if they can be ready to depart JFK at 11:50pm, though. But it's not officially delayed yet.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: mendyt on January 14, 2018, 03:12:05 PM
Someone pointed out to me that they are likely flying mechanics in from JFK (on this 1008) and are hoping to fix it and fly back to JFK to do the flight tonight. Would be shocking if they can be ready to depart JFK at 11:50pm, though. But it's not officially delayed yet.
Actually is

Dear passenger, flight LY008 from New York to Tel Aviv on 14/01 which was scheduled to depart at 23:50 will depart on 15/01 at 01:30.

For more details:
http://www.elal.com/en/Pages/CC/SC.aspx
You may also contact us by telephone 972-3-9404040. We apologize for the delay and wish you a pleasant flight, ELAL.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 03:13:46 PM
Actually just noticed that now. However, on elal.com it mistakenly says TLV to JFK...
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Hjay on January 14, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
Is todayís 6:45 pm flight delayed because of this?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 03:17:35 PM
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 06:35:39 PM
Deicing now
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 06:39:09 PM
Flight is live
LY1008 from Goose Bay to Tel Aviv https://fr24.com/ELY1008/10208ffd
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 07:04:40 PM
Deicing now
Still deciing
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 14, 2018, 07:14:47 PM
Still deciing
Will it ever finish in such temps?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 07:19:49 PM
Taxing now
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 07:20:17 PM
Taxing now
BH, keep us posted
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Yammer on January 14, 2018, 07:21:17 PM
Taxing now
B"H.

Safe and easy flight.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 07:26:08 PM
Took off
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 07:35:56 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-flight-1008-just-taken-off-goose-bay-air-force-base-tel-aviv-listen-audio-el-al-mayday-call/
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 07:43:46 PM
Anyone have experience claiming Israeli delayed flight compensation in case of diversion?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 07:45:03 PM
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-flight-1008-just-taken-off-goose-bay-air-force-base-tel-aviv-listen-audio-el-al-mayday-call/
AF66 needs a touch-up, see Seth's blog post that I put on the comments on the original LY DDMS post
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ual902 on January 14, 2018, 07:49:55 PM
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 07:55:57 PM
LY1003 live on FR24

LY1003 from Goose Bay to New York https://fr24.com/ELY1003/1020b089
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 14, 2018, 08:11:51 PM
LY1003 live on FR24

LY1003 from Goose Bay to New York https://fr24.com/ELY1003/1020b089
Flying as well
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: @jack123 on January 14, 2018, 08:25:18 PM
Whatís minimum turnaround time once it lands at jfk until it takes off to tlv? Is 1:30 takeoff still realistic?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: AJK on January 14, 2018, 08:28:13 PM
Why is it going back to JFK?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: mendyt on January 14, 2018, 08:28:22 PM
Whatís minimum turnaround time once it lands at jfk until it takes off to tlv? Is 1:30 takeoff still realistic?
Hope they make it on time.
They need to get out of JFK by 2Am, otherwise they will need to wait till 5Am. CMIIW
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: @jack123 on January 14, 2018, 08:34:18 PM
Why is it going back to JFK?

To take tonightís ly 8 flight
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 14, 2018, 08:43:29 PM
Why is it going back to JFK?
https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/el-al-flight-1008-just-taken-off-goose-bay-air-force-base-tel-aviv-listen-audio-el-al-mayday-call/
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Yehuda25 on January 14, 2018, 08:59:45 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on January 14, 2018, 09:06:04 PM
They need to get out of JFK by 2Am, otherwise they will need to wait till 5Am.
Why?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: sillypainter on January 14, 2018, 09:15:53 PM
Why?

Curfew.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: shapsam on January 14, 2018, 09:27:24 PM
Curfew.
In JFK?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yoohoo on January 14, 2018, 10:37:12 PM
Tonight's #ELAL flight  LY#8 from JFK to TLV is delayed 1 hr 45 minutes at this time.  plane coming in from Goose bay has to be rechecked, cleaned, refueled etc. plane landing at JFK at 11:05 PM.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 14, 2018, 11:09:51 PM
Tonight's #ELAL flight  LY#8 from JFK to TLV is delayed 1 hr 45 minutes at this time.  plane coming in from Goose bay has to be rechecked, cleaned, refueled etc. plane landing at JFK at 11:05 PM.
This plane would need to go through a very thorough cleaning before it would be ready to accommodate passengers again....
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Yammer on January 14, 2018, 11:30:59 PM
Why?
Airport closes @2
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Yammer on January 14, 2018, 11:32:17 PM
This plane would need to go through a very thorough cleaning before it would be ready to accommodate passengers again....
I had a 23 hour flight to Israel without getting off the plane many years ago...Ill never forget what the plane looked like when we finally got off
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 12:59:38 AM
Anyone have experience claiming Israeli delayed flight compensation in case of diversion?
Nobody here has dealt with a diversion yet?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: gold on January 15, 2018, 01:55:03 AM
Nobody here has dealt with a diversion yet?
No compensation on emergency precaution for passenger safety.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 01:56:49 AM
No compensation on emergency precaution for passenger safety.
So mechanical issue before takeoff is liable, but after takeoff isn't liable?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: gold on January 15, 2018, 03:45:37 AM
So mechanical issue before takeoff is liable, but after takeoff isn't liable?

Correct - Eu law which is the bible for flight compensation requires the airline to have an aircraft at the right place at the right time. No excuses - lease another. Emergency precautions mid-flight are unforeseen and out of the airlines scope of responsibility like weather.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: a mirrer on January 15, 2018, 07:13:36 AM
Anyone have experience claiming Israeli delayed flight compensation in case of diversion?
IANAL but based on 6 e (1) from here (http://www.tourism-law.co.il/pdf/AviationServicesLawENG.pdf) I think that it could be a basis for a court case that a faulty sensor is not something which would have happened "even if It would have done whatever was under its control" since a faulty sensor is something that maintenance would have usually picked up 
Quote from: Aviation Services Law (Compensation and Assistance for Flight Cancellation or Change of Conditions), 5772 -2012
the flight has been canceled due to special circumstances which were not under its control, and even if It would have done whatever was under its control - it could not have prevented the cancelation due to those circumstances
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 15, 2018, 07:33:33 AM
Nobody here has dealt with a diversion yet?
I had a few clients on this flight: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/454019/video-and-photos-el-al-plane-makes-successful-emergency-landing-in-tel-aviv.html
I helped them apply for compensation and El Al gave 2,080 NIS per passenger without giving a hard time (maybe to KBP isn't 3,000)
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 08:57:56 AM
Upon landing in TLV everyone got a box of chocolate
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: TimT on January 15, 2018, 09:03:16 AM
Upon landing in TLV everyone got a box of chocolate
;D
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yitrap on January 15, 2018, 09:05:01 AM
Upon landing in TLV everyone got a box of chocolate
Parev or Milky? What was the Hechsher
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 09:37:35 AM
I had a few clients on this flight: https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/454019/video-and-photos-el-al-plane-makes-successful-emergency-landing-in-tel-aviv.html
I helped them apply for compensation and El Al gave 2,080 NIS per passenger without giving a hard time (maybe to KBP isn't 3,000)
Thanks for the DP.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 10:42:32 AM
I helped them apply for compensation

Just emailing Cust Care?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 15, 2018, 10:49:35 AM
Just emailing Cust Care?
Correct
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: a mirrer on January 15, 2018, 11:34:17 AM
Upon landing in TLV everyone got a box of chocolate
befoe the crazy passport lines or after  :D
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 12:26:05 PM
Weird that this got no blogger coverage.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: as2 on January 15, 2018, 12:37:05 PM
Weird that this got no blogger coverage.
Buncha dirty Jews on a Jewish airline. Nu nu. Love how the Hawaii missile test gone wrong got so much coverage when it's every day life for many in Israel.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: TimT on January 15, 2018, 12:45:39 PM
Buncha dirty Jews on a Jewish airline. Nu nu. Love how the Hawaii missile test gone wrong got so much coverage when it's every day life for many in Israel.
Because itís not everyday life for Americans.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: as2 on January 15, 2018, 12:50:52 PM
Because itís not everyday life for Americans.
Granted, but maybe now they'll have some perspective. People are claiming to need therapy, and that may be so.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: sky121 on January 15, 2018, 01:27:26 PM
Buncha dirty Jews on a Jewish airline. Nu nu. Love how the Hawaii missile test gone wrong got so much coverage when it's every day life for many in Israel.
Why does everything so quickly revert to antisemitism?
And regarding the Hawaii storry, that's not so crazy. Even when sirens made the news they happen so often it's not that exciting to report on.
Whereas Americans haven't gotten a missile warning in quite a bit of time. No?

Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: sky121 on January 15, 2018, 01:29:13 PM
Granted, but maybe now they'll have some perspective. People are claiming to need therapy, and that may be so.
I'm sure they will to whatever extent.  Barely compares as they don't have known enemies on the verge of attacking at any moment all the time.

Even an American Jew can't really understand what it's like until they are there. We don't fault them for it.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 01:36:45 PM
Weird that this got no blogger coverage.
Nothing, not even the regular FR24 tweets about diversions and recovery
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 01:37:43 PM
Nothing, not even the regular FR24 tweets about diversions and recovery
Pretty bizarre.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Yaalili on January 15, 2018, 01:43:05 PM
Weird that this got no blogger coverage.

Not exactly a blog, though it was discussed here - http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1383665
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 15, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
Weird that this got no blogger coverage.
Just curious, is this really a major story, or is it just interesting to us because it was on El Al flying between NYC and TLV and many of us knew people on board?
IIRC, the AF66 story didn't get coverage on this blog, and nor did the diverted UP flight on the way to Kiev get reported here (probably because it wasn't NYC bound)
CMIIW
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 03:26:53 PM
Just curious, is this really a major story, or is it just interesting to us because it was on El Al flying between NYC and TLV and many of us knew people on board?
IIRC, the AF66 story didn't get coverage on this blog, and nor did the diverted UP flight on the way to Kiev get reported here (probably because it wasn't NYC bound)
CMIIW
I don't run an aviation blog. I run a US based deals/miles blog targeted to Orthodox Jews and limit the scope of postings to what I think they'll find interesting.

Lots of other blogs cover all aviation incidents.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 15, 2018, 03:38:08 PM
Lots of other blogs cover all aviation incidents.
I just assumed that these stories happen daily somewhere in the world....
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 03:39:48 PM
I just assumed that these stories happen daily somewhere in the world....
Daily diversions to remote airports requiring a ferry flight to pick up the pax?
No.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 03:56:09 PM
Before everyone yells 747 are not ETOPS, i'm posting this regrading the diversion of the AA 787 and the recuse thereafter
https://youtu.be/HSxSgbNQi-g?t=261

https://airlinegeeks.com/2016/11/18/cold-bay-alaska-welcomes-american-airlines-team-with-open-arms/
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: aygart on January 15, 2018, 04:06:35 PM
and limit the scope of postings to what I think they'll find interesting.
Except for the posts where you answer in the comment section that you posted it because it is your blog etc. :P
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 04:09:34 PM
Except for the posts where you answer in the comment section that you posted it because it is your blog etc. :P
Haynu hach.

what I think they'll find interesting.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dawie on January 15, 2018, 04:14:04 PM
what happens/happened to the luggage
it can get transferred in Goose Bay?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 04:18:33 PM
what happens/happened to the luggage
it can get transferred in Goose Bay?
Of course.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 04:31:00 PM
what happens/happened to the luggage
it can get transferred in Goose Bay?

Thats one of the reason it took time, its freezing cold and limited service, so the transfer took longer then planned
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 04:34:35 PM
Before all the bash on how Elal handled this breaks loss;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_France_Flight_66
https://blog.wandr.me/2017/10/af66-goose-bay-recovery-efforts/

Can someone figure out if AF paid comp?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 15, 2018, 04:48:15 PM
Another high arctic Canadian diversion - https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/lx40-a-new-engine-in-iqaluit/ - I believe they only waited 4 hours as the timing was around when the European departures where goign to head back to Europe so they canceled a flight from NY and send it to rescue, whereas Elal LY8 landed in middle of night and they didnt have an acft/crew available
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dave321 on January 15, 2018, 04:55:29 PM
wow. dan defending elal... a first time for everything
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 15, 2018, 04:57:20 PM
wow. dan defending elal... a first time for everything
#FakeNews

https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/el-al-going-way-above-and-beyond/

https://www.dansdeals.com/airfare-deals/israel-flights/el-al-closing-announces-new-route-tel-aviv-north-america/

Among other times.

#FairAndBalanced
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: moish on January 15, 2018, 05:14:47 PM
when it's every day life for many in Israel.
Not quite. Never had a situation where we were told a presumably nuclear warhead was headed our way
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Bostener on January 15, 2018, 05:56:41 PM
Of course.

They have these equipment in Goose Bay?
Or they shlepet every suitcase by hand?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 15, 2018, 05:59:09 PM
Not quite. Never had a situation where we were told a presumably nuclear warhead was headed our way
Exactly my thoughts. There is a difference between a ballistic missile coming your way and a rocket manufactured by Hamas.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: as2 on January 15, 2018, 06:31:21 PM
Not quite. Never had a situation where we were told a presumably nuclear warhead was headed our way
I said many, not all. This was ballistic, not nuclear CMIIW
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: skyguy918 on January 15, 2018, 07:49:51 PM
I said many, not all. This was ballistic, not nuclear CMIIW
They're not mutually exclusive. Ballistic refers to the trajectory the missile takes. Nuclear refers to the payload.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: as2 on January 15, 2018, 08:29:28 PM
They're not mutually exclusive. Ballistic refers to the trajectory the missile takes. Nuclear refers to the payload.
I stand corrected.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: aygart on January 15, 2018, 09:52:46 PM
Not quite. Never had a situation where we were told a presumably nuclear warhead was headed our way
But chemical biological did happen
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ExGingi on January 15, 2018, 10:00:47 PM
But chemical biological did happen
Didnít actually happen, but was feared.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: aygart on January 15, 2018, 10:06:39 PM
Didnít actually happen, but was feared.
Yes. It happened that they feared
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ExGingi on January 15, 2018, 10:08:38 PM

Yes. It happened that they feared
But not really feared by people who trusted when they were told that Eretz Yisroel is the safest place.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: aygart on January 15, 2018, 10:10:43 PM
But not really feared by people who trusted when they were told that Eretz Yisroel is the safest place.
יוסף בעל עגלה
Title: LY Flight 8
Post by: ExGingi on January 15, 2018, 10:11:40 PM
ר׳ יוסף בעל עגלה
FTFY
Or his wife. ;)
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Yammer on January 16, 2018, 12:55:14 AM
Buncha dirty Jews on a Jewish airline. Nu nu. Love how the Hawaii missile test gone wrong got so much coverage when it's every day life for many in Israel.
It could have been a nuke for that matter. Ppl thought that Hawaii might be history.

Not taking away from the craziness of the situation in sderot etc.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: th0306 on January 16, 2018, 10:52:13 AM
Does anyone know what kind of cellphone coverage they had in Canada? Were they able to charge their phones the entire time? What did the plane run on the whole time?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 16, 2018, 10:54:44 AM
Does anyone know what kind of cellphone coverage they had in Canada? Were they able to charge their phones the entire time? What did the plane run on the whole time?

The plane has a generator that runs on jet fuel called an APU.  I imagine they ran in generously. 
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 16, 2018, 11:00:26 AM
Does anyone know what kind of cellphone coverage they had in Canada? Were they able to charge their phones the entire time? What did the plane run on the whole time?

They were able to charge their phones and people kept on getting msgs so I guess there was service. Dont know about roaming charges...
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: as2 on January 16, 2018, 12:08:15 PM
Does anyone know what kind of cellphone coverage they had in Canada? Were they able to charge their phones the entire time? What did the plane run on the whole time?
The plane has a generator that runs on jet fuel called an APU.  I imagine they ran in generously.
They had more than enough fuel too, I'd imagine, as they were ha just getting started on a long flight.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: th0306 on January 16, 2018, 12:20:54 PM
They had more than enough fuel too, I'd imagine, as they were ha just getting started on a long flight.
They didn't need to dump any fuel?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: as2 on January 16, 2018, 12:25:05 PM
They didn't need to dump any fuel?
Hmm good point. If they were anticipating a less than smooth landing, they might've. Interesting. Did they refuel at all in Goose Bay, prior to de-planing?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 16, 2018, 12:40:10 PM
They didn't need to dump any fuel?

If I understand correctly, a skilled pilot can safely land a heavy plane in the right conditions.  I believe fuel dumping is a decision taken by the pilot in consultation with airline flight operations
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Boruch999 on January 16, 2018, 12:56:51 PM
If I understand correctly, a skilled pilot can safely land a heavy plane in the right conditions.  I believe fuel dumping is a decision taken by the pilot in consultation with airline flight operations

http://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/articles/qtr_3_07/article_03_2.html

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Furthermore, service experience indicates that damage due to overweight landing is extremely rare.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 18, 2018, 10:59:38 AM
LY not paying comp but will for out of pocket expenses
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2018, 11:54:37 AM
Yup. Confirmed with the head of elal Customer Relations. No mandatory compensation. She claims they took off on time and it's major force etc.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2018, 11:55:50 AM
Can someone figure out if AF paid comp?
So no reports on this?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2018, 12:56:33 PM
LY not paying comp but will for out of pocket expenses
What are the out of pocket expenses in this case? Like hotel rooms you couldn't use?

Is there a "DoT" in Israel to escalate it to? Or is that it unless you want to sue?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 18, 2018, 01:09:34 PM
What are the out of pocket expenses in this case? Like hotel rooms you couldn't use?

Correct - and I told my clients to send in there roaming charges for all calls while in Goose Bay

Is there a "DoT" in Israel to escalate it to? Or is that it unless you want to sue?

Don't know - but I know tried for a client to complain to the FOCA regarding a case against Swiss, and first of all they can't make an airline pay, plus they never send me the details of their findings - kept on saying blah blah

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FOCA ensures the general compliance with this Regulation. Within an administrative offense against air carriers it could impose fines in case of proven infringements of this Regulation. The aim is to prevent infringements in the future.
Your individual claims are independent of that, e.g. the payment of compensation. FOCA is neither authorized to support you to enforce these claims according to the Regulation against the air carrier nor to give you legal advice in this respect. Individual claims have to be compensated within the scope of a legal relationship between passenger and air carrier, if necessary, by complaint proceedings and summary proceedings for order to pay debts in court.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: moish on January 18, 2018, 01:17:44 PM
Here's what's bothering me. Why didn't Elal send in a maintenance crew from JFK as soon as the flight landed in Goose Bay?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2018, 01:18:20 PM
Here's what's bothering me. Why didn't Elal send in a maintenance crew from JFK as soon as the flight landed in Goose Bay?
Using what aircraft?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ExGingi on January 18, 2018, 01:21:56 PM
Using what aircraft?
JetSuite, NetJets, or anything else?

Though maintenance might not have been the only issue. By that time they might have needed to get a flight crew that would be ready to take off as soon as it's repaired, that might have been harder.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2018, 01:41:01 PM
Using what aircraft?
Private Charter.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 18, 2018, 01:44:56 PM
Private Charter.
Are those always available on standby to just fly to YYR?
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: chff on January 18, 2018, 01:45:39 PM
Can I get a HT?

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/reader-question-el-al-owe-compensation-flight-8-diversion/
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2018, 01:59:12 PM
Can I get a HT?

https://www.dansdeals.com/points-travel/airlines/airline-news/reader-question-el-al-owe-compensation-flight-8-diversion/
I should get it..

You posted without a source, I posted with a source  ;)
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2018, 02:00:46 PM
Are those always available on standby to just fly to YYR?
With the right connections you could have a jet rolling in 2 hours to Canada. And its not so hard to have connections...
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: yandmk on January 18, 2018, 02:50:59 PM
Just curious, how'd they pull together a crew so fast? They are legal requirements. They definitely could not have had the same crew continuing from YYR to TLV.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: ilherman on January 18, 2018, 03:02:08 PM
Just curious, how'd they pull together a crew so fast? They are legal requirements. They definitely could not have had the same crew continuing from YYR to TLV.
Why? They had enough time to rest  ;) ;)
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: Dan on January 25, 2018, 02:38:52 PM
Via FT:

(https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/450x629-1/ad149fulltheend_cdf4125b59719a855d1202761e7e30e079c137f0.png)
Title: Re: LY Flight 8
Post by: moe8555 on January 25, 2018, 03:05:05 PM
Via FT:

(https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.flyertalk.com-vbulletin/450x629-1/ad149fulltheend_cdf4125b59719a855d1202761e7e30e079c137f0.png)

That ad is from 1957.

You know, if you look into the history behind this ad, it's pretty intriguing.  It's hard to believe that El Al was at the forefront of aviation innovation at one point with the plane mentioned in this ad (and subsequent milestones and world records in later decades), but we also learn from this that El Al is still the same old El Al at its core: as great as this plane was, it was still a poor and untimely business decision at the end of the day, which we realize with a little background info from Wikipedia: "The Bristol Type 175 Britannia was a British medium-to-long-range airliner built by the Bristol Aeroplane Company in 1952 to fly across the British Empire. By the time development was completed, "pure" jet airliners from France, United Kingdom and the United States were about to enter service, and consequently, only 85 Britannias were built before production ended in 1960."

Again, the ad is from 1957 and the plane only debuted a few years earlier (although I highly doubt El Al got one from the get-go); in other words: it was already on the verge of obsolescence by the time they were operating it!
Title: Re: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: chff on January 20, 2019, 10:40:32 AM
Let's see how UA does it

https://onemileatatime.com/united-777-stranded-goose-bay/
Title: Re: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: myi on January 20, 2019, 08:02:44 PM
Let's see how UA does it

https://onemileatatime.com/united-777-stranded-goose-bay/
Wonder if there was any heat aboard.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: Eliyohu on January 20, 2019, 08:56:49 PM
Wonder if there was any heat aboard.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/united-flight-canada-grounded/index.html

The title of this article definitely makes it sound like not.. in the actual article doesn't say either way
#fakenews
Title: Re: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: Eliyohu on January 20, 2019, 10:49:05 PM
.
Title: Re: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: chff on January 20, 2019, 10:52:46 PM
https://twitter.com/United_179
Title: Re: LY Flight 8 Diverted To Goose Bay
Post by: thaber on January 21, 2019, 02:10:00 AM
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/20/us/united-flight-canada-grounded/index.html

The title of this article definitely makes it sound like not.. in the actual article doesn't say either way
#fakenews
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Pretty sure it was just frigid outside. Classic fake headline.