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Title: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bzam99 on July 11, 2018, 02:15:18 PM
Great guy, and has alot published/posted on youtube. We should have a thread to discuss...

He is a phenomenal "debator" and very sharp guy, and seems to win every debate I have watched. Anybody see a debate he hasn't clearly won?
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on July 11, 2018, 02:16:41 PM
The least you could have done is spelled his name correctly...
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on July 11, 2018, 02:19:02 PM
The least you could have done is spelled his name correctly...
the least you could do is tell him how to spell it :D
It’s Shapiro I believe
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: as2 on July 11, 2018, 02:19:49 PM
Take this over to the political threads.
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on July 11, 2018, 02:20:06 PM
the least you could do is tell him how to spell
No
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on July 11, 2018, 02:25:13 PM
He’s a smart guy
I’d love to hear him debate from the other perspective see how well he does.
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: SearchGuy on July 11, 2018, 02:30:27 PM
The least you could have done is spelled his name correctly...
That's how it's spelled on that YouTube channel...
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on July 11, 2018, 02:32:10 PM
That's how it's spelled on that YouTube channel...
Idk what YouTube channel you're talking about but his name does not have a "c" in it.
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on July 11, 2018, 02:36:56 PM
Oy.
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on July 11, 2018, 02:40:47 PM
Oy.
im pretty sure that’s spelled ‘oiy’
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: as2 on July 11, 2018, 02:42:18 PM
im pretty sure that’s spelled ‘oiy’
Not unless a pig is the one saying it...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: htg123 on July 11, 2018, 02:53:54 PM
he wins debates by dominating the opponent. he's usually very good, though he did have a debate with sam harris a while back, and didn't perform that well.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Mordyk on July 11, 2018, 03:05:30 PM
Warning! this is deeply disturbing.  i just love his reaction

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ShlockDoc on July 11, 2018, 05:02:14 PM
He's very bright and a great debater but stoops to calling people who disagree names which makes him look childish. 
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on July 11, 2018, 05:28:01 PM
For veteran Ben Shapiro lovers!!!

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: georgew on July 11, 2018, 05:58:14 PM
For veteran Ben Shapiro lovers!!!


Epic! Lmao!  Not sure how I never came across this
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 11, 2018, 06:19:35 PM
I have mixed feelings about how he deals with and debates religion, monotheism, and Judaism
He piggybacks his aurguments upon our heritage, but then waters it all down...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: CS1 on July 11, 2018, 08:13:58 PM
For veteran Ben Shapiro lovers!!!

Epic! Lmao!  Not sure how I never came across this

Interesting how this Ben Shapiro video has about 9x more views than the other Freedom Tunes video stats.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on July 11, 2018, 10:24:16 PM
Shoutout to whichever mod fixed the misspelled title.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on July 11, 2018, 10:33:26 PM
Interesting how this Ben Shapiro video has about 9x more views than the other Freedom Tunes video stats.
Because Ben had mentioned it on his show when it came out....so presumably ppl went to watch it
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: Shauly101 on July 11, 2018, 11:07:13 PM
The least you could have done is spelled his name correctly...

you for sure meant

בנימין אהרן שפירא
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on July 11, 2018, 11:08:17 PM
you for sure meant

בנימין אהרן שפירא
The title originally said "Schapiro"
Title: Re: Ben Schapiro
Post by: CS1 on July 12, 2018, 02:33:34 PM
you for sure meant

בנימין אהרן שפירא

would be cool if he is a kohen. Anybody know?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: 16guitar on July 12, 2018, 02:40:51 PM
Fun Fact:

I read in the Mishpacha magazine that he played Violin on one of Shlomo and Eitan Katz's earlier albums, don't remember which one.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Ephraimh on July 12, 2018, 03:47:11 PM
I have mixed feelings about how he deals with and debates religion, monotheism, and Judaism
He piggybacks his aurguments upon our heritage, but then waters it all down...
Couldn’t agree with you more.. arguing religion is by no means his strong suit and it irks me every time he brings on people like Sam Harris and Michael Shermer who argue Atheism for a living and they literally run circles around him, he’s not good at it and he should stick to what he’s good at.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: avromie7 on July 12, 2018, 04:51:28 PM
Fun Fact:

I read in the Mishpacha magazine that he played Violin on one of Shlomo and Eitan Katz's earlier albums, don't remember which one.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: shapsam on July 12, 2018, 05:04:33 PM

Wow, at 12 years old: "his goal is to become the first orthodox rabbi to sit on the supreme court"
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: avromie7 on July 12, 2018, 05:17:48 PM
Wow, at 12 years old: "his goal is to become the first orthodox rabbi to sit on the supreme court"
Nothing changed
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: GAM Z. on July 13, 2018, 12:22:26 AM
Shoutout to whichever mod fixed the misspelled title.
+1
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Boruch999 on July 13, 2018, 10:15:40 AM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/33013/yes-judaism-pro-life-ben-shapiro

Some impressive halachik scholarship.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: aygart on July 13, 2018, 04:28:06 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/33013/yes-judaism-pro-life-ben-shapiro

Some impressive halachik scholarship.
LOL GIHF
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Iz on July 13, 2018, 04:50:07 PM
LOL GIHF
I was wondering about that... Is all that Googlable?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: aygart on July 13, 2018, 05:03:07 PM
I was wondering about that... Is all that Googlable?
Try it
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: 000 on July 13, 2018, 05:31:02 PM
Here is Ben talking at JETS about his religious backround.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: aygart on July 14, 2018, 11:56:34 PM
http://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-marriage-lessons-10-years-1022975 (http://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-marriage-lessons-10-years-1022975)
Quote
7. Determine The Purpose Of Important ConversationsEarly in our marriage, I discovered that my wife and I had a problem in some of our conversations: She’d want to tell me about a problem she was experiencing, and I’d immediately leap to try to solve it. She found this deeply annoying, since what she really wanted was emotional sympathy and not a solution.
Thus, we have a simple, time-saving trick: When she’s got a problem she wants to talk about, I ask her directly whether this is a conversation in which she wants me to listen, or one in which she wants me to fire off solutions. It actually works quite well.

I can just see that happening with him shooting off 450 solutions.
"Solution 379 was sponsored by Boll and Branch"
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Sammy82 on July 15, 2018, 12:07:12 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-marriage-lessons-10-years-1022975 (http://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-marriage-lessons-10-years-1022975)
I can just see that happening with him shooting off 450 solutions.
"Solution 379 was sponsored by Boll and Branch"

Lol
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on July 15, 2018, 02:11:29 AM
http://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-marriage-lessons-10-years-1022975 (http://www.newsweek.com/ben-shapiro-marriage-lessons-10-years-1022975)
I can just see that happening with him shooting off 450 solutions.
"Solution 379 was sponsored by Boll and Branch"

I wanna know which 3 presidents actually use/d their sheets??
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 22, 2018, 11:42:09 PM
Ben clearly owned him. But I'm very curious about the very last comment about it being "Friday night and difficult for Ben"

Was this on Shabbos?

https://youtu.be/SGcdPakoytg
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: MrKaplan on July 23, 2018, 12:29:24 AM
Ben clearly owned him. But I'm very curious about the very last comment about it being "Friday night and difficult for Ben"

Was this on Shabbos?

https://youtu.be/SGcdPakoytg
Fri night
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: 000 on July 23, 2018, 12:35:51 AM
Fri night
It airs at 10:00 PM EST which is 7:00 in LA and is over at 11:00 (8:00 PST), shekiah there was a little after 8. Also I am not sure if it is live or taped. 
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: YitzyS on July 23, 2018, 01:29:02 AM
"Facts don't care about your feelings"

#EpicLine
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: MisterHock on July 23, 2018, 07:06:33 AM
It airs at 10:00 PM EST which is 7:00 in LA and is over at 11:00 (8:00 PST), shekiah there was a little after 8. Also I am not sure if it is live or taped.
It's live. He was only there for the opening interview at 7pm. He left right after the interview and did not stay for the follow up panel discussion to make Shabbat.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on July 23, 2018, 09:33:18 AM
It's live. He was only there for the opening interview at 7pm. He left right after the interview and did not stay for the follow up panel discussion to make Shabbat.
Source?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: aygart on July 23, 2018, 09:36:13 AM
Source?
He had discussed this on twitter at the time and said that he did not stay in order to be back home in time. A little dan lkaf zchus guys.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on July 23, 2018, 10:02:32 AM
He had discussed this on twitter at the time and said that he did not stay in order to be back home in time. A little dan lkaf zchus guys.
No one is accusing him of being Michalel Shabbos. We all just assumed, like most talk shows, that it was pre-recorded...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: churnbabychurn on July 23, 2018, 10:58:48 AM


No one is accusing him of being Michalel Shabbos.
+1

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: rs242 on July 23, 2018, 07:02:16 PM
He also talked about it on his show that he would be only be able to stay for the beginning because of shabbos 
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 04, 2018, 11:41:58 PM
Anyone else watch his speech just now at USC?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 04, 2018, 11:46:32 PM
No!
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 12:02:54 AM
No!

We already knew that you don't listen to anyone you disagree with
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 12:10:19 AM
We already knew that you don't listen to anyone you disagree with
very important to listen to both sides to get a complete perspective
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 12:11:04 AM
very important to listen to both sides to get a complete perspective
CM would never want that
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:11:20 AM
We already knew that you don't listen to anyone you disagree with
Another flat out lie. I listen and watch Hannity. How do you think I know what @ilherman is going tp post before he does?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:12:14 AM
CM would never want that
You to now?  >:(
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 12:13:36 AM
You to now?  >:(
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 12:15:58 AM
Another flat out lie. I listen and watch Hannity.

That does help explain what happened to all your brain-cells. As Charlie Sykes said "when I turn on Hannity I can feel myself getting stupider"
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:17:22 AM
That does help explain what happened to all your brain-cells. As Charlie Sykes said "when I turn on Hannity I can feel myself getting stupider"
It doesn't help you getting caught in another lie. Now I know why you are a Trumpster.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 12:21:55 AM
It doesn't help you getting caught in another lie. Now I know why you are a Trumpster.

You clearly agree with Hannity on blind partisanship and lack of intellectual honesty.

And not everyone you disagree with is a Trumpster
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:24:38 AM
You clearly agree with Hannity on blind partisanship and lack of intellectual honesty.
You get caught in lie after lie and have the nerve to talk about honesty.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:25:22 AM
And not everyone you disagree with is a Trumpster
True but the Hannity Kool-Aid drinkers are.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 12:27:52 AM
You get caught in lie after lie and have the nerve to talk about honesty.

Calling any statement you disagree with a lie is a good way to make it clean that you are not interested in discussion.

Layla Tov
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:35:48 AM
Calling any statement you disagree with a lie is a good way to make it clean that you are not interested in discussion.

Layla Tov
Another flat out lie. I disagree with many and never call them a liar. You can get caught with your hand in the cookie jar and won't own it.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on October 05, 2018, 01:17:41 AM
Keep your trash in the one thread where it belongs.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: gingyguy on October 05, 2018, 07:54:45 AM
Keep your trash in the one thread where it belongs.
hey no fair you gotta identify what you think is trash!!!
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 09:21:57 AM
@ChaimMoskowitz , as an avid listener of Shapiro it’s important for me to get an outside perspective of him. So why do you hate him and with what about his mantra do you disagree?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: jj1000 on October 05, 2018, 09:25:40 AM
@ChaimMoskowitz , as an avid listener of Shapiro it’s important for me to get an outside perspective of him. So why do you hate him and with what about his mantra do you disagree?
Question for you, does Ben Shapiro have an opinion on anything?

If so @ChaimMoskowitz will disagree with him.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 09:28:37 AM
@ChaimMoskowitz , as an avid listener of Shapiro it’s important for me to get an outside perspective of him. So why do you hate him and with what about his mantra do you disagree?
Where did I say I hate him? I said I don't listen to him.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 09:30:29 AM
If so @ChaimMoskowitz will disagree with him.
Getting someone to think outside of the little world they grew up in is not easy to do.  :)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 09:36:28 AM
Where did I say I hate him? I said I don't listen to him.
I just meant it in the sense that you seem to have very strong negative feelings towards him...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: aygart on October 05, 2018, 09:36:40 AM
What is the difference between Hannity and Shapiro? Hannity reinforces whatever you already believe whether you agree or disagree with him. No thought required. If you agree then you will be thinking "oh yeah" and if you disagree you will think "how stupid". Basically a dopamine hit with no intellectual stimulation.  Shapiro will make you think over your positions whether you agree or disagree with him. There have actually been times where I agreed with him but after hearing some of his reasoning began to disagree with him.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 09:43:39 AM
I just meant it in the sense that you seem to have very strong negative feelings towards him...
I wouldn't say that. I have seen things posted about him that I agree with and things I disagree with.
Can you give me an idea what his mantra is then I can comment on it.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 09:49:05 AM
Facts don't care about feelings.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 09:51:15 AM
Facts don't care about feelings.
That's catchy. Going to need a little more to go on.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 10:22:42 AM
That's catchy. Going to need a little more to go on.
Essentially he believes in the Individual not in the collective government being in charge of every aspect of our day to day lives...
I fee that I can better argue for him if we’re doing it based on topic. And “Facts don’t care about your feelings” basically means that just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean the way you feel
Should get in the way of what the bottom line is. Case in point, Judge Kavanaugh. Not a shred of evidence to back up the allegations against him and yet the SJWs all scream he’s guilty and “we believe her.” What ever happened to Due Process....?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
Essentially he believes in the Individual not in the collective government being in charge of every aspect of our day to day lives...
...but does he really believe this or does he selectively believe it. Case in point, does he believe in the woman's right to choose?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 10:30:29 AM
...but does he really believe this or does he selectively believe it. Case in point, does he believe in the woman's right to choose?
He believes in it 100%
Oh does he believe the government should allow murder? That much he believes they should step in for
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 10:32:21 AM
does he believe in the woman's right to choose?
He believes the governments one real job/responsibility is protect the life and liberty of it's citizens. And no, he doesn't believe in the woman's right to choose to murder an unborn child.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:34:38 AM
He believes in it 100%
Oh does he believe the government should allow murder? That much he believes they should step in for
So he does not believe in our laws? AFAIK according to laws we live by abortion is not murder.
So basically believes in induvial rights as long as they align with his views. Sounds like a typical talking head to me.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 10:35:20 AM
So he does not believe in our laws? AFAIK according to laws we live by abortion is not murder.
So basically believes in induvial rights as long as they align with his views. Sounds like a typical talking head to me.
You're funny
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:36:22 AM
And no, he doesn't believe in the woman's right to choose to murder an unborn child.
This is yours and his personal belief. I guess this is where I bring up his mantra.  :)
Facts don't care about feelings.

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:36:49 AM
You're funny
Sorry but...
Facts don't care about feelings.

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 10:39:02 AM
This is yours and his personal belief. I guess this is where I bring up his mantra.  :)
Sorry but...
Lol. You missed the boat.
Fact is its murder, its been proven over and over see this for more information https://youtu.be/OZXQBhTszpU
Fact: its murder
Feeling: women! Something stupid about 2018!

Go figure
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 10:39:15 AM
So basically believes in induvial rights as long as they align with his views. Sounds like a typical talking head to me.
no, he believes in an individuals rights as long as they don't infringe on someone else's rights. i.e.  something along the lines of "your right to swing your fist ends were my face starts."

AFAIK according to laws we live by abortion is not murder.
That's a dangerous path to go down...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:40:24 AM
do you believe in all the laws? i know that i dont. but i follow them anyways. ( usually).
I think you are asking if I agree with all our laws? If so, no.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:42:26 AM
That's a dangerous path to go down...
Again that is your personal view. Just as my personal view that the current gun laws are a dangerous path to go down.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 10:48:19 AM
CM, donyou believe a woman has a greater right to choose than the unborn child?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 05, 2018, 10:51:21 AM
Again that is your personal view. Just as my personal view that the current gun laws are a dangerous path to go down.
So you are allowed to have an opinion that goes against the law but Shapiro isn't?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:52:52 AM
CM, donyou believe a woman has a greater right to choose than the unborn child?
I believe a child's life begins at conception. The law does not agree with me. Until that law is changed a women has a right to choose.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 10:53:46 AM
Again that is your personal view. Just as my personal view that the current gun laws are a dangerous path to go down.
I think you're missing the point here.

The whole point is he believes the current law is immoral and unconstitutional.

Or maybe you would've said in 1860 "AFAIK according to laws we live by slavery is not legal." or in 1960 "AFAIK according to laws we live by races need to be segregated."
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:54:22 AM
So you are allowed to have an opinion that goes against the law but Shapiro isn't?
He can have an opinion on anything he wants.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 10:57:06 AM
I think you're missing the point here.
The whole point is he believes the current law is immoral and unconstitutional.
No I am not missing that point. I have no problem with his beliefs. Like I said he believes in individual rights when he agrees with them. If he truly believed in individuals rights he would support them even when he disagrees with them.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 11:00:17 AM
Until that law is changed a women has a right to choose.
The point is he believes the current law is immoral and unconstitutional.


If he truly believed in individuals rights he would support them even when he disagrees with them.
Um, no.
He believes the governments one real job/responsibility is protect the life and liberty of it's citizens. And no, he doesn't believe in the woman's right to choose to murder an unborn child.
no, he believes in an individuals rights as long as they don't infringe on someone else's rights. i.e.  something along the lines of "your right to swing your fist ends were my face starts."

In other words his view on abortion doesn't contradict his view on rights/limited government in general.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 05, 2018, 11:00:21 AM
No I am not missing that point. I have no problem with his beliefs. Like I said he believes in individual rights when he agrees with them. If he truly believed in individuals rights he would support them even when he disagrees with them.
Is there a topic about which you will argue in good faith?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:02:42 AM
https://youtu.be/OZXQBhTszpU
@ChaimMoskowitz did you see this?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 11:03:34 AM
I believe a child's life begins at conception. The law does not agree with me. Until that law is changed a women has a right to choose.
He along with many millions of other Americans believe that the government should not be deciding and creating laws that should govern what woman do with their bodies, and he believes that woman who abort their babies are essentially murdering them. That’s all
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:04:19 AM
Is there a topic about which you will argue in good faith?
So you are saying I never show good faith on a topic.  ::)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:11:34 AM
@ChaimMoskowitz did you see this?
No and did you see this post?
I believe a child's life begins at conception.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:12:39 AM
No and did you see this post?
Let's stick you in North Korea for a little if you don't appreciate our democracy
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:15:02 AM
Let's stick you in North Korea for a little if you don't appreciate our democracy
What are you talking about. You are the one that has a problem with our laws.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:15:49 AM
What are you talking about. You are the one that has a problem with our laws.
Exactly. And the way this country works is laws can change
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:16:31 AM
He along with many millions of other Americans believe that the government should not be deciding and creating laws that should govern what woman do with their bodies, and he believes that woman who abort their babies are essentially murdering them. That’s all
His mantra is: Facts don't care about feelings.
Is believing abortion is murder a fact or a feeling?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:16:57 AM
His mantra is: Facts don't care about feelings.
Is believing abortion is murder a fact or a feeling?
Fact
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:18:18 AM
Exactly. And the way this country works is laws can change
I guess you didn't read this point either.
Until that law is changed a women has a right to choose.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 11:18:47 AM
Is believing abortion is murder a fact or a feeling?
he believes the facts back him up.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
Fact
No need for me to say anymore.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:21:05 AM
I guess you didn't read this point either.
Yes, and until the Kim's stop ruling NK his right to choose to murder full grown adults are ok
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:21:28 AM
he believes the facts back him up.
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:22:29 AM
Yes, and until the Kim's stop ruling NK his right to choose to murder full grown adults are ok
So now you are equating Kim's rulings with our laws.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:23:11 AM
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.
Yes yes. And until 1920 women were inferior to men. Law is law.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:23:46 AM
So now you are equating Kim's rulings with our laws.
Nopes. Both murder tho.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 05, 2018, 11:27:53 AM
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.

Opinions are not feelings.
Laws are not facts.
Facts are not opinions.
Laws are not feelings.

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 11:29:54 AM
I understand that but we are country that lives by a set of laws. According to our laws (which are the facts that matter) he is wrong.
Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that Murder is a legal term and since the according to the current laws abortion is not considered murder therefore the relevant fact here is that abortion is not murder?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 11:31:09 AM
I guess you didn't read this point either.

You are conflating a "legal right" and a "moral right".

In the 1800s people in the US had a legal right to own slaves (as they do today to kill unborn children). In Nazi Germany people had the legal right (and requirement) to kill Jews.

Does that give them the moral right to do that?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:41:05 AM
You are conflating a "legal right" and a "moral right".

In the 1800s people in the US had a legal right to own slaves (as they do today to kill unborn children). In Nazi Germany people had the legal right (and requirement) to kill Jews.

Does that give them the moral right to do that?
I am not conflating anything. We are getting into a full blown discussion about abortion. I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject. I am sure I can find another example to get off the topic of abortion.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:41:57 AM
I am not conflating anything. We are getting into a full blown discussion about abortion. I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject. I am sure I can find another example to get off the topic of abortion.
You were wrong there, so go ahead.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:44:05 AM
You were wrong there, so go ahead.
Facts show differently than your feelings.  :P
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:44:32 AM
Facts show differently than your feelings. 
Your feelings decided your facts
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Your feelings decided your facts
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 11:49:13 AM
I am not conflating anything. We are getting into a full blown discussion about abortion. I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject. I am sure I can find another example to get off the topic of abortion.

No, his views on abortion show that his views on individual rights are consistent even when the individual is as defenseless as an unborn child
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:50:17 AM
No, his views on abortion show that his views on individual rights are consistent even when the individual is as defenseless as an unborn child
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:50:25 AM
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
Assuming it doesn't conflict another's rights, yes
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 11:51:35 AM
His mantra is: Facts don't care about feelings.
Is believing abortion is murder a fact or a feeling?
He believes in the fact that a baby in utero is a life. And aborting that fetus is tantamount to murder
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:52:38 AM
Assuming it doesn't conflict another's rights, yes
Who decides if it conflicts with another's right, someone's view/feelings or the laws we live by?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 11:53:02 AM
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Ben Shapiro (who is the topic of this thread) makes a point of never using his religion as the basis for his arguments.

Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?

Only when it does not infinge on another individual's rights
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 05, 2018, 11:53:25 AM
Who decides if it conflicts with another's right, someone's view/feelings or the laws we live by?

Neither. Facts.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:53:36 AM
Who decides if it conflicts with another's right, someone's view/feelings or the laws we live by?
Facts do.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 11:55:07 AM
I only used abortion to show BS (sorry couldn't help it) views on individual rights change with his views on the subject.
Um, no.
In other words his view on abortion doesn't contradict his view on rights/limited government in general.



Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?
According to current law yes, but
I think you're missing the point here.

The whole point is he believes the current law is immoral and unconstitutional.
no, he believes in an individuals rights as long as they don't infringe on someone else's rights. i.e.  something along the lines of "your right to swing your fist ends were my face starts."
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:56:42 AM
Neither. Facts.
Facts do.
Who decides what the facts are? You and I or the laws we live by?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 11:57:11 AM
Who decides what the facts are? You and I or the laws we live by?

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that Murder is a legal term and since the according to the current laws abortion is not considered murder therefore the relevant fact here is that abortion is not murder?
bump
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on October 05, 2018, 11:57:31 AM
If anyone was still wondering about the trash I was reffering to....wonder no longer.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:58:24 AM
Who decides what the facts are? You and I or the laws we live by?
Where did you get this idea that laws=facts?
Killing a person is murder. Fact.
It's been proven that unborn children or living just like anyone else. Fact.
Abortion is murder.

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 11:58:38 AM
bump
Yes murder is a legal term.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 11:59:23 AM
Yes murder is a legal term.
So in a third world country there is no such thing as murder?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:01:47 PM
So in a third world country there is no such thing as murder?
What in the world are you smoking?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 05, 2018, 12:02:40 PM
Yes murder is a legal term.

Come on, you know how people are using the term, and it has nothing to do with legalities. This is an example of what I mean by arguing in bad faith.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 05, 2018, 12:03:39 PM
What in the world are you smoking?
If it's a legal thing, assuming there are no laws somewhere remote (third world may not have been the best term) there isn't a concept of "murder"?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 12:05:30 PM
Yes murder is a legal term.
So in other words you're saying that the relevant fact (which doesn't care about your feelings) here is that abortion doesn't currently qualify legally as murder?

That's a straw man argument. Of course nobody says it's currently considered murder legally. His argument is that based on the biological facts it should be considered murder.


Is there a topic about which you will argue in good faith?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:05:48 PM
Come on, you know how people are using the term, and it has nothing to do with legalities. This is an example of what I mean by arguing in bad faith.
You keep assuming things about me that are incorrect.
Please give me the definition of "murder" being used in this discussion as you see it. Lets see who is arguing in bad faith.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 12:07:05 PM
Please give me the definition of "murder" being used in this discussion as you see it.
Of course nobody says it's currently considered murder legally. His argument is that based on the biological facts it should be considered murder.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Freddie on October 05, 2018, 12:08:10 PM
You like I am basing this on our religious views. I understand religious views are not fact. You on the other hand ...
Simple question. Is the right to choose an individual right?

CM, you know I like you and respect you. I am pointing this out as an interesting thing to think about, not as an argument or debate. I think that what most of the discussions on this forum come down to is that, from a Jewish perspective, religious views (or more precisely the Torah's view) is absolute.

Quote
There are two sorts of statutes: a) statutes that create life, and b) statutes created by life. Human laws are created by life so they vary from land to land according to circumstances. The A-lmighty's Torah is a G‑dly law that creates life. G‑d's Torah is the Torah of truth, the same in all places, at all times. Torah is eternal.

www.chabad.org/6072 (http://www.chabad.org/6072)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:09:44 PM
His argument is that based on the biological facts it should be considered murder.
That is an argument everyone disagrees with. There are what you call "facts" on both sides of the argument.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 05, 2018, 12:10:51 PM
You keep assuming things about me that are incorrect.
Please give me the definition of "murder" being used in this discussion as you see it. Lets see who is arguing in bad faith.

So your understanding of Ben Shapiro's position as stated on this forum that "Abortion is Murder" is that any woman who has a legal abortion should be prosecuted for murder?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:11:56 PM
CM, you know I like you and respect you. I am pointing this out as an interesting thing to think about, not as an argument or debate. I think that what most of the discussions on this forum come down to is that, from a Jewish perspective, religious views (or more precisely the Torah's view) is absolute.
I understand that 100%. Most religions are that way. Now if only the opposite side can understand what I am saying.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:13:35 PM
So your understanding of Ben Shapiro's position as stated on this forum that "Abortion is Murder" is that any woman who has a legal abortion should be prosecuted for murder?
I ask you a simple question to explain the definition of "murder". You want to show good faith then answer the question before you ask me another one.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 12:15:37 PM
That is an argument everyone disagrees with.
Um, ok

Regardless, his position on abortion is still wholly consistent with his view on rights in general. His opinion is that you shouldn't have the right to murder an unborn child just because it's convenient. Your right to choose (just like every other right) ends where it starts infringing on others' rights.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on October 05, 2018, 12:17:48 PM
That is an argument everyone disagrees with. There are what you call "facts" on both sides of the argument.

Well, clearly not everyone. But that's the point - it's an argument! With valid opinions and arguments on both sides. But you have decided that because he takes one side of the argument he is a hypocrite. Hello pot, meet kettle.

I ask you a simple question to explain the definition of "murder". You want to show good faith then answer the question before you ask me another one.

Premeditated killing.

If mods deleted every post with your inane "answer my question first" posts, there would be about 28 posts left on this whole forum.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:21:03 PM
If mods deleted every post with your inane "answer my question first" posts, there would be about 28 posts left on this whole forum.
I wish they would. It would stop all this non-sense.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:24:31 PM
It is Friday but lets sum this up anyway.
BS and my view are basically the same on abortion.
We both agree on individual rights.
I believe in the women's individual right to choose.
He does not.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: sams on October 05, 2018, 12:29:40 PM
It is Friday but lets sum this up anyway.
BS and my view are basically the same on abortion.
We both agree on individual rights.
I believe in the women's individual right to choose.
He does not.
Shouldn’t  the fetus have a right to choose?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 12:30:48 PM
I believe in the women's individual right to choose.
He does not.

Indeed he doesn't


Regardless, his position on abortion is still wholly consistent with his view on rights in general. His opinion is that you shouldn't have the right to murder an unborn child just because it's convenient. Your right to choose (just like every other right) ends where it starts infringing on others' rights.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:31:27 PM
Shouldn’t  the fetus have a right to choose?
You are preaching to the choir.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:35:02 PM
Indeed he doesn't
Wow, after watching that I am glad my religion does not allow abortions.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:39:50 PM
What is BS view on gay marriage?  :)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 12:44:46 PM
What is BS view on gay marriage?  :)
Basically that government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 12:45:06 PM
What is BS view on gay marriage?  :)
He’s said that obviously his religious views don’t condone it, but his main point is that the government should not be involved in who can and cannot get married. Thus allowing gays to be married whether or not he believes they are living in sin. 
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
He’s said that obviously his religious views don’t condone it, but his main point is that the government should not be involved in who can and cannot get married. Thus allowing gays to be married whether or not he believes they are living in sin. 
yep, basically this. I was just gonna edit my post to make it more clear but you beat me to it.

Bottom line he's pretty libertarian on such issues. The government shouldn't be telling people what they could or cannot do as long as they're not hurting anyone else.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:49:03 PM
Basically that government shouldn't be in the business of marriage at all.
He’s said that obviously his religious views don’t condone it, but his main point is that the government should not be involved in who can and cannot get married. Thus allowing gays to be married whether or not he believes they are living in sin. 
So he supports the individual rights of gays to get married? That would agree with individual rights.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:50:29 PM
What about hurting yourself? Assisted suicide?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 12:53:15 PM
So he supports the individual rights of gays to get married? That would agree with individual rights.
Correct. He believes in individual rights   So long as they do not hurt others.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 12:55:33 PM
Correct. He believes in individual rights   So long as they do not hurt others.
See I don't hate him. I agree with some of his positions.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 12:58:02 PM
See I don't hate him. I agree with some of his positions.
But can you understand that a woman’s right to abort interferes with the unborn’s right to live?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 01:02:25 PM
But can you understand that a woman’s right to abort interferes with the unborn’s right to live?
From my post you don't see that not only I understand but agree with it. That is my belief, feeling or whatever you want to call it.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 01:07:59 PM
From my post you don't see that not only I understand but agree with it. That is my belief, feeling or whatever you want to call it.
I understand. Just confirming
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 03:02:08 PM
Anyone else watch his speech just now at USC?
I just watched it. @ChaimMoskowitz he does a very thorough explanation on his views on rights here.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 03:03:44 PM
I was so upset about the Q&A session. was incredibly lame and non-entertaining  ;D
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 03:04:25 PM
@ChaimMoskowitz he does a very thorough explanation on his views on rights here.
Thanks but I am burnt out.  :)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 05, 2018, 03:26:44 PM
I was so upset about the Q&A session. was incredibly lame and non-entertaining  ;D
lol, it's been quite a while since those were really good. I think people got scared to really challenge him anymore.

I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 04:16:17 PM
lol, it's been quite a while since those were really good. I think people got scared to really challenge him anymore.

I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
OMG yes!! srsly lost some respect for him from that answer!!!
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: AussieMan on October 05, 2018, 04:25:05 PM
https://www.dailywire.com/news/33013/yes-judaism-pro-life-ben-shapiro

Some impressive halachik scholarship.

The problem is, that his core argument is that the woman does not own the rights of the fetus, rather it lives inside her.
Many halachic opions (inc Rashi iirc) held the fetus is a limb of the mother. The reason abortion is forbidden is because a woman is forbidden to cut her own finger, likewise she cannot hurt herself by abortion.
Using this Logic, and applying it to American standards, abortion should be allowed.
In other words, ben Shapiro considers abortion murder (like many rishonim).
However other rishonim do not. Although they forbid it, using their logic it should be allowed in America.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: as2 on October 05, 2018, 04:50:53 PM
The problem is, that his core argument is that the woman does not own the rights of the fetus, rather it lives inside her.
Many halachic opions (inc Rashi iirc) held the fetus is a limb of the mother. The reason abortion is forbidden is because a woman is forbidden to cut her own finger, likewise she cannot hurt herself by abortion.
Using this Logic, and applying it to American standards, abortion should be allowed.
In other words, ben Shapiro considers abortion murder (like many rishonim).
However other rishonim do not. Although they forbid it, using their logic it should be allowed in America.
Interesting. I never heard the first approach. With reasoning like that, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to give a heter for it? If cutting your finger would alleviate suffering, it would many times be permitted, and an abortion can definitely relieve suffering in a sense.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 05, 2018, 05:02:06 PM
Interesting. I never heard the first approach. With reasoning like that, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to give a heter for it? If cutting your finger would alleviate suffering, it would many times be permitted, and an abortion can definitely relieve suffering in a sense.
I assume pshat in that is we Jews value life a lot more in the sense that a fetus can never be considered “suffering” whether physical or financial. Obviously in a case where it’s detrimental to the mother‘s health, it would be a different conversation. But if it was just an inconvenience or a financial situation I don’t believe, and correct me if I’m wrong, that there are halachik  authorities who would allow abortion.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 05:05:06 PM
Even on a Friday I am going to leave this one alone.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: gingyguy on October 05, 2018, 05:05:27 PM
If anyone was still wondering about the trash I was reffering to....wonder no longer.
i wanted ur answer not theirs ;D ;D
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 05, 2018, 05:07:42 PM
i wanted ur ;D ;D answer not theirs
Is that gasoline you are pouring?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: gingyguy on October 05, 2018, 05:11:30 PM
Wow, after watching that I am glad my religion does not allow abortions.
didnt you already know all that having your own kids?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: AussieMan on October 05, 2018, 05:11:34 PM
Interesting. I never heard the first approach. With reasoning like that, wouldn't it be a lot simpler to give a heter for it? If cutting your finger would alleviate suffering, it would many times be permitted, and an abortion can definitely relieve suffering in a sense.
The debate in Rishonim - yes, acc. to Rashi it is much easier to find a heter.
The Halacha lemaase, modern day poskim are machmir like the rambam, but in extreme cases, they rely on Rashi.
My point is than Ben Shapiro is using the halachik "outcome" but not the reasoning. What he calls complete immorality, is likely shitas Rashi.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: gingyguy on October 05, 2018, 05:11:56 PM
Is that gasoline you are pouring?
call it what you want im having fun
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: AussieMan on October 07, 2018, 08:42:13 AM
I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
What would you answer?
I would answer like a good Jew, with a question.
"And what do you do about all the cruel animals which murder each other for food? Why don't you go lock them up?"
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 07, 2018, 09:46:27 AM
What would you answer?
I would answer like a good Jew, with a question.
"And what do you do about all the cruel animals which murder each other for food? Why don't you go lock them up?"

I was most unimpressed that he didn't push back at the moral equivalency between a baby and animals
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 07, 2018, 02:19:59 PM
I was most unimpressed that he didn't push back at the moral equivalency between a baby and animals
That.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 07, 2018, 08:53:20 PM
Quick! Fox News election special with BS is about to discuss the abortion issue in his last segment!
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: CS1 on October 07, 2018, 08:56:56 PM
Quick! Fox News election special with BS is about to discuss the abortion issue in his last segment!

is this the link? https://video.foxnews.com/v/5614615980001/?#sp=watch-live
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 07, 2018, 08:57:59 PM
is this the link? https://video.foxnews.com/v/5614615980001/?#sp=watch-live
yes
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 07, 2018, 09:01:55 PM
if you missed it you can catch the re-run at 11pm eastern
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 08, 2018, 07:03:02 PM
BS Live at Univ. of Buffalo now!

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 12, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
I was most unimpressed that he didn't push back at the moral equivalency between a baby and animals
He discussed it today
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on October 14, 2018, 09:08:56 PM
He discussed it today


I think he just made it worse. To suggest that sentiance is a scale ("dogs are pretty sentiant") rather than either yes or no, is to suggest that some humans aren't so sentiant
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: elya on October 17, 2018, 03:41:22 PM


CMIIW, but this sounds very much like Kefira to me. (Or maybe hes just uninformed?)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 17, 2018, 03:49:09 PM


CMIIW, but this sounds very much like Kefira to me. (Or maybe hes just uninformed?)
How so?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: elya on October 17, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
How so?
"If G-D gave the Torah today to western civilization" it would look different" Seriously?!? (Just one of the few)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 17, 2018, 03:54:11 PM
"If G-D gave the Torah today to western civilization" it would look different" Seriously?!? (Just one of the few)
I understood it as, it would be saying the same thing, but the way we understand things it would have to be worded differently, hence "oral law"
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 17, 2018, 04:21:06 PM
I understood it as, it would be saying the same thing, but the way we understand things it would have to be worded differently, hence "oral law"
but aren't we to understand that no matter what happens or what era we live in, the "oral law" stands? otherwise its no different than the reform movement?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 17, 2018, 04:25:43 PM
but aren't we to understand that no matter what happens or what era we live in, the "oral law" stands? otherwise its no different than the reform movement?
Correct.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: gozalim on October 17, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
"If G-D gave the Torah today to western civilization" it would look different" Seriously?!? (Just one of the few)
he's not the only one. other (M) Orthodox people believe the same, based on MN. see slifkin
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 17, 2018, 04:50:43 PM
"If G-D gave the Torah today to western civilization" it would look different" Seriously?!? (Just one of the few)
How do you know what G-d would do?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 17, 2018, 04:53:25 PM
How do you know what G-d would do?
The real question is what G-d did.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 17, 2018, 04:56:02 PM
The real question is what G-d did.
You can ask your question and I will ask mine.  :)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 17, 2018, 05:01:27 PM
How do you know what G-d would do?
I wouldn't say I know what God would do, but I wouldn't bash someone who has a logical explanation for what God would do.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 17, 2018, 05:04:03 PM
I wouldn't say I know what God would do, but I wouldn't bash someone who has a logical explanation for what God would do.
No such thing as a logical explanation when it comes to G-d.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 17, 2018, 05:05:30 PM
No such thing as a logical explanation when it comes to G-d.
I meant the way God did/does things, to make assumptions based on that.
Again I don't, but I don't have an opinion of one who does
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on October 17, 2018, 05:41:10 PM
Correct.
so then it IS k'fira....?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 17, 2018, 05:42:05 PM
so then it IS k'fira....?
What did he say that contradicts that?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Redbull3 on October 17, 2018, 05:58:56 PM
"If G-D gave the Torah today to western civilization" it would look different" Seriously?!? (Just one of the few)
So I just watched and yeah he quoted the rambam to say that we had karbanos because it was a way to channel our urge to slaughter animals to appease gods, this was a t'aiva that people had back in that day but no longer have. So yeah the theorizing about "IF the torah was given today -- there wouldn't be karbanos" is in line with that rambam and not k'fira imo.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on October 17, 2018, 06:01:38 PM
so then it IS k'fira....?

I think you misunderstood.

I didn't watch it now but I vaguely remember it from when it came out.

He wasn't saying the Torah should change/adapt to modern times.
IIRC his point was that the Torah was given based on the situation and the values/morals of the time, so if the Torah was given today, with the values/morals of mankind being what they are, the Torah would be different than what it actually is which based on the morals/values of 2300 years ago.
(One issue I have with that is that modern day values are mostly based on the Torah)

That's why I said
The real question is what G-d did.
because I think the root of the question is really about how you view the Torah as it was given.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: aygart on October 18, 2018, 08:09:55 AM
No such thing as a logical explanation when it comes to G-d.
This seems to be a difference between Judaism and Catholicism.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on October 18, 2018, 08:49:53 PM
(https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=94003.0;attach=28722;image)
Where can I get a scale? i'm afraid its 50/50
How about non of above, Crazy
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on October 19, 2018, 12:26:26 AM
This seems to be a difference between Judaism and Catholicism.
Didn't know that. Judaism doesn't believe in "logical explanation"?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on October 19, 2018, 12:42:31 AM
Didn't know that. Judaism doesn't believe in "logical explanation"?
i think Judaism does believe in logical explanations as well as things called חוקים which does not have a logical explanation
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Randomex on October 19, 2018, 01:32:28 AM
I think Rabbi Nathan Lopes Cardozo discusses not identifying the text of our Chumash as the essential form of the Torah in the beginning of The Torah As God's Mind: A Kabbalistic Look Into the Pentateuch (published by Neve Yerushalayim in 1988, a time when I assume he was less controversial).
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: chaimmayer on October 30, 2018, 02:11:11 PM
What is the joke behind him always saying negative things about Michael Knowles?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on October 30, 2018, 02:14:38 PM
What is the joke behind him always saying negative things about Michael Knowles?
maybe bc he “knows les(s)”?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Essen est zich on October 30, 2018, 02:31:22 PM
His show from this past Sunday and his segment on the shooting was spot on. https://youtu.be/FeO8SPxdvyU
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Randomex on October 31, 2018, 07:40:34 PM
His show from this past Sunday and his segment on the shooting was spot on. https://youtu.be/FeO8SPxdvyU

I'll give it a shot, and see what I think of both his and your opinions.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Something Fishy on October 31, 2018, 09:18:28 PM
What is the joke behind him always saying negative things about Michael Knowles?

It started when Michael's book came out I believe and turned into a running gag. Ben was pretending to be bitter that he didn't think of it first.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Afrages6 on November 01, 2018, 09:03:32 AM
 https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800 (https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800) He played lmaancha on his show last night
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on November 01, 2018, 09:07:56 AM
https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800 (https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800) He played lmaancha on his show last night
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on November 01, 2018, 10:49:13 AM
FTFY

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: avromie7 on November 01, 2018, 11:14:40 AM
https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800 (https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800) He played lmaancha on his show last night
Ben got the words wrong.

ETA: He actually corrects it after he plays the song.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on November 01, 2018, 11:16:31 AM
Ben got the words wrong.
He corrects himself later.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on November 01, 2018, 11:16:37 AM
Ben got the words wrong.
he corrects himself after the song
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on November 01, 2018, 11:18:44 AM
https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800 (https://youtu.be/O4rgBVqnutw?t=2800) He played lmaancha on his show last night

Sounds like he's planning on doing Jewish songs all week.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on November 12, 2018, 09:27:49 PM
his latest...

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: AJK on November 12, 2018, 09:36:39 PM
Anyone listen to his Sunday Special with Tucker Carlson?

I'm a big fan of Shapiro, but he did a piss-poor job addressing Carlson's opinion that the technology of self-driving cars should be stopped by way of legislation/executive order/coup whatever if it means that 10 million American will be out of work.

The way Carlson delivered it made it sound compelling -- even for those who believe, like I do, that technology creates job in the long-term, not destroys them.

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ChaimMoskowitz on November 13, 2018, 11:36:27 AM
Anyone listen to his Sunday Special with Tucker Carlson?
No.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on November 13, 2018, 08:08:50 PM
Live now at OSU

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: YitzyS on November 15, 2018, 03:14:56 PM
https://www.change.org/p/change-the-word-epic-to-ben-shapiro
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on November 15, 2018, 03:21:07 PM
https://www.change.org/p/change-the-word-epic-to-ben-shapiro
Signed
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on November 15, 2018, 03:24:43 PM
Signed
+1
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on November 15, 2018, 03:38:38 PM
https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-security-council-impose-financial-and-military-sanctions-on-israel-for-war-crimes
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: MrKaplan on November 15, 2018, 03:49:32 PM
https://www.change.org/p/united-nations-security-council-impose-financial-and-military-sanctions-on-israel-for-war-crimes
What this got to do with Ben Shapiro?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on November 15, 2018, 03:52:43 PM
What this got to do with Ben Shapiro?

אוי לרשע ואוי לשכנו
Change.org
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on November 15, 2018, 08:25:51 PM
So when an interviewer was talking to protesters against Ben Shapiro speaking at his recent event (don’t remember-was it Ohio state university ?) you could hear ppl in the background chanting ‘from river to sea Palestine will go free!’ Anti-semitism is alive and well.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: CS1 on November 15, 2018, 08:42:59 PM
So when an interviewer was talking to protesters against Ben Shapiro speaking at his recent event (don’t remember-was it Ohio state university ?) you could hear ppl in the background chanting ‘from river to sea Palestine will go free!’ Anti-semitism is alive and well.

Ben spoke at Univ of Pittsburgh last night (Wed.). Was it there?  Haven't seen the speech yet, however here is the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t55XLX_wOY

(eta: apparently the video starts at minute 10:35 in the video)
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on November 15, 2018, 10:00:45 PM
His Speech last night in Pittsburgh
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: ah giten on November 16, 2018, 01:49:11 AM
Not sure if this belongs here, or by funny/epic videos.
but can anyone relate?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: good sam on November 16, 2018, 08:27:18 AM
I don't think it's meant to be a debate, just a discussion.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Randomex on November 20, 2018, 06:28:27 AM
I'll give it a shot, and see what I think of both his and your opinions.

Some thoughts I had watching Ep. 648:
He ought to record his ads separately and have them played back,
just like his media clips. (They'd still be almost as jarring, though.)
I liked that he made it clear that white supremacist attacks on Jews are not a new thing.
I wonder how many in that cheering crowd personally know any Jews?
I think he ought to omit attempting to translate or explain pesukim from his show.

Overall, it was engaging if not that compelling, and I probably won't watch more,
although I'll click on clips of him if YouTube recommends them. It was certainly
an eye-opener for me on what the liberal media are capable of.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on November 21, 2018, 11:33:04 PM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Yehuda57 on December 10, 2018, 01:23:56 PM
Come to own the Libs, stay for the discussion of his sefarim shelves.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: skyguy918 on December 10, 2018, 01:47:38 PM
Not sure if this belongs here, or by funny/epic videos.
but can anyone relate?
Simple solution to this particular issue. I use Android's Find My Device to locate and/or make her phone ring really loudly.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on December 24, 2018, 11:58:57 PM
what is he smoking?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: MrKaplan on December 25, 2018, 12:08:39 AM
what is he smoking?
I don't see a problem
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 25, 2018, 05:54:28 AM
I don't see a problem
+1
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: justaregularguy on December 25, 2018, 11:43:02 AM

are christians not allowed to do melacha on christmas? ???
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on December 25, 2018, 01:14:34 PM
I thought he is asking for nitel ideas..
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on December 25, 2018, 01:34:07 PM
I thought he is asking for nitel ideas..
I wasn't aware that nittel had specific things that were supposed to be discussed while you were batteling, is there a siman I missed in Shulchun Aruch that discusses it?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: zh cohen on December 30, 2018, 09:28:27 AM
An interview with Ben on the Headlines Halacha podcast

https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PBA1E4DFEZWAM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: good sam on December 30, 2018, 11:13:00 AM
An interview with Ben on the Headlines Halacha podcast

https://www.podbean.com/site/EpisodeDownload/PBA1E4DFEZWAM
What's the topic?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on December 30, 2018, 11:27:42 AM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on December 31, 2018, 04:41:30 PM
lol, it's been quite a while since those were really good. I think people got scared to really challenge him anymore.

I just got to the end, I was kinda disappointed with his answer to that veganism question.
when will the vegan train animals not to kill their counterparts as they are human animals?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: th0306 on December 31, 2018, 10:39:53 PM
I wasn't aware that nittel had specific things that were supposed to be discussed while you were batteling, is there a siman I missed in Shulchun Aruch that discusses it?
Did you really finish the entire Shulchan Aruch that you are asking if you missed that Siman?

Besides, if it were in Shulchan Aruch it wouldn't be allowed to be discussed on Nitel. Nor would he have given the options if it was clear in Shulchan Aruch......

There are a lot of different reasons for the word "nittel" - but I never heard it has anything to do with Battallah.....
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: good sam on January 01, 2019, 09:04:04 AM
Did you really finish the entire Shulchan Aruch that you are asking if you missed that Siman?

Besides, if it were in Shulchan Aruch it wouldn't be allowed to be discussed on Nitel. Nor would he have given the options if it was clear in Shulchan Aruch......

There are a lot of different reasons for the word "nittel" - but I never heard it has anything to do with Battallah.....

Besides, if it were in Shulchan Aruch it wouldn't be allowed to be discussed on Nitel.
It's permitted to discuss the laws of nittel on nittel only to the extent it has practical application דומה להל' ביה"כ
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on January 09, 2019, 09:12:10 PM
For those interested in his radio show, in the Baltimore/DC region it can be found on AM 630 and FM 105.9
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on January 17, 2019, 12:22:53 PM
Anybody know what the music used for his radio show/2nd-3rd hour is?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on January 22, 2019, 10:29:48 PM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on January 22, 2019, 10:49:00 PM
Don’t get me excited for something that’ll never happen. That was tweeted back in August of last year. Clearly never gonna happen
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on January 22, 2019, 10:50:26 PM
Don’t get me excited for something that’ll never happen. That was tweeted back in August of last year. Clearly never gonna happen
now you get a one sided debate
https://youtu.be/YUuHAQILLDU
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on January 22, 2019, 10:56:17 PM
now you get a one sided debate
https://youtu.be/YUuHAQILLDU
watched it already  :P
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Something Fishy on January 22, 2019, 11:03:28 PM
Don’t get me excited for something that’ll never happen. That was tweeted catcalled back in August of last year. Clearly never gonna happen

FTFY
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: whYME on January 23, 2019, 01:12:38 PM
I don't think catcalling videos should be allowed on DDF

ETA: oops, I see @Something Fishy beat me to it
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on February 10, 2019, 04:19:47 AM
https://youtu.be/rvVBIVAmk-M?t=144
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on February 20, 2019, 12:48:44 AM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on March 11, 2019, 01:32:50 AM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on March 12, 2019, 07:13:37 PM
He's live now at U of M

ETA: Boring speech. Boring Q&A. Thank you, next
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: CS1 on March 12, 2019, 08:28:39 PM
He's live now at U of M

ETA: Boring speech. Boring Q&A. Thank you, next

which U of M ? College Park, or in Baltimore?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on March 12, 2019, 08:40:47 PM
which U of M ? College Park, or in Baltimore?
Michigan
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: CS1 on March 12, 2019, 10:02:16 PM
Michigan


yes; makes sense....
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on March 12, 2019, 11:45:35 PM
which U of M ? College Park, or in Baltimore?
Michigan
Standard UofM is Michigan, in the university world...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: mmgfarb on March 13, 2019, 01:41:23 AM
Standard UofM is Michigan, in the university world...
I'll admit my first thought when I read U of M was University of Maryland but that's probably because I live in the area.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: CS1 on March 13, 2019, 08:59:14 AM
I'll admit my first thought when I read U of M was University of Maryland but that's probably because I live in the area.

+1

same. Lived near there for 10+ years.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 16, 2019, 11:54:37 PM
a James Crowder "Change My Mind" clip, but Ben Shapiro gets a shoutout and is thoroughly entertaining (and pretty telling)

Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: good sam on March 17, 2019, 01:00:23 AM
a James Crowder "Change My Mind" clip, but Ben Shapiro gets a shoutout and is thoroughly entertaining (and pretty telling)


James?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: dealfinder11 on March 17, 2019, 03:41:28 PM
James?

Steven. my bad. Think i confused the name with Jae Crowder lol. Highly doubt any relation.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yesitsme on May 07, 2019, 01:36:27 AM
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: yitzyul on May 10, 2019, 11:29:38 AM
Not nearly as bad as Drudge makes it sound "throws tantrum".......
https://spectator.us/watch-ben-shapiro-tantrum-bbc/
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: dealfinder11 on May 12, 2019, 07:19:44 AM
Not nearly as bad as Drudge makes it sound "throws tantrum".......
https://spectator.us/watch-ben-shapiro-tantrum-bbc/

Seems he was expecting a friendly interview with softball questions and was caught off guard by the critical questions coming his way. He has faced much tougher critiques from the left and when prepared has thrived off the conflict. In this case Ben looked like a deer in the headlights. Tough look for him but he'll be fine.
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: bb1836 on May 12, 2019, 11:04:43 AM
Not nearly as bad as Drudge makes it sound "throws tantrum".......
https://spectator.us/watch-ben-shapiro-tantrum-bbc/
Leftists will say Neil won and conservatives will say Ben won. And the world keeps turning...
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: AussieMan on May 12, 2019, 09:27:22 PM
No one even slightly objective will say Ben won. Ben himself will probably admit he should have done better.
He's human he can lose once in a while
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Dan on May 12, 2019, 09:49:41 PM
Leftists will say Neil won and conservatives will say Ben won. And the world keeps turning...
?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Mo2 on May 12, 2019, 10:11:16 PM
How about his Sunday special today possibly promoting Kefirah
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: sams on May 12, 2019, 10:26:53 PM
How about his Sunday special today possibly promoting Kefirah
?
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: Zalc on May 13, 2019, 12:22:07 AM
?

See here (re: messianism)?
Or maybe a little later on. This interview is like a minefield for that stuff.

His interviewee certainly is promoting Kefira, as is his job...

https://castbox.fm/vb/152913061?_t=36%3A00
Title: Re: Ben Shapiro
Post by: stooges44 on June 27, 2019, 02:32:18 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/leaked-email-from-google-employee-refers-to-ben-shapiro-jordan-peterson-as-nazis