Post by: Dan on August 14, 2011, 10:47:46 PM
Any recommendations? Best durable Sukkah that's not too hard to put together?
Post by: Yisha on August 14, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2011, 11:00:34 PM
before suggesting anything, we gota know the conditions where the Sukkah is to be build, backyard or porch and if you have a awning or you'll need a Shlock?Don't think it matters, but on a patio. No awning.
Anyone have a certain sukkah they love?
Post by: Yisha on August 14, 2011, 11:15:22 PM
Post by: elikay on August 14, 2011, 11:44:47 PM
Lietters Sukkah http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular-assemb-txt.htm (http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular-assemb-txt.htm) should be the easiest to build by yourself in minutes and is not from wood so it wont get ruined so fast and you have ready sizes to pick (no need to custom order) that will save you a lot of headaches.
Having built many sukkas from scratch, I think that wood holds up better and is stronger than these other ones.
Post by: Dan on August 14, 2011, 11:47:07 PM
Lietters Sukkah http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular-assemb-txt.htm (http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular-assemb-txt.htm) should be the easiest to build by yourself in minutes and is not from wood so it wont get ruined so fast and you have ready sizes to pick (no need to custom order) that will save you a lot of headaches.Seems like there is a wood and a fiberglass option: http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular.htm
Which have you dealt with?
Post by: jong on August 14, 2011, 11:50:13 PM
Seems like there is a wood and a fiberglass option: http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular.htm
Which have you dealt with?
im a fan of fiberglass... esp living on the east coast, it would last many years to come... the modular ones are pretty easy to set up once you get the hang of it... just store the wooden planks that go across in a dry place when not in use so they dont get warped. and add a window or 2, it makes a difference
Post by: elikay on August 14, 2011, 11:51:56 PM
im a fan of fiberglass... esp living on the east coast, it would last many years to come... the modular ones are pretty easy to set up once you get the hang of it... just store the wooden planks that go across in a dry place when not in use so they dont get warped. and add a window or 2, it makes a differenceGood point.. except that I mean in general this style succah seems to be a bit wobbly.
Post by: Yisha on August 15, 2011, 12:17:35 AM
Seems like there is a wood and a fiberglass option: http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular.htm
Which have you dealt with?
I have dealt with both and i would recommend the wood! don't worry the wood is not like lumber wood, it wont get ruined from a rain or so.
the odds of the fiberglass is that you don't feel like your sitting in a Sukkah (I'm not referring here to Yidishe Hergieshim) its just not comfortable, it feels more like sitting in the Lego Sukkah (http://wondersukkah.building.officelive.com/default.aspx) designed br B&C Lumber a few year ago,
some people may rather recommend the fiberglass but i don't like it and sure not recommend it to others.
Post by: skyguy918 on August 15, 2011, 09:30:24 AM
Big fan of this one. I researched the whole thing a few years ago for my father and decided on this. It's very easy to build, and very, very sturdy. Most other interlock succahs have a relatively flimsy metal frame and then attach the panels to the front of the frame (the part that goes inside). With this succah, the frame is much sturdier, and the panels are inside the frame, not pressed against it. Also, instead of fiberglass, the panels are pressed wood, treated and sealed off so it'll last. There are fewer pieces because the design is such that any piece can be a corner (so no corner brackets, like Leiter's). I'm also a fan of the door setup, much better design.
Now for the cons. It's probably more expensive than your other choices. The walls keep heat, sometimes too much for my liking. The door uses a lock and key to stay from swinging, which means you'll leave the key in all the time. But the key is flimsy and I've brushed by and broken more than one. Then I couldn't get a locksmith to copy the key and it was a mess getting another from the company.
All in all, I would definitely recommend this model.
Post by: Hudi on August 15, 2011, 10:44:32 AM
I"yh I'll be building my own Sukkah for the first time this year.
Any recommendations? Best durable Sukkah that's not too hard to put together?
I bought mine from http://www.sukkot.com/ It's cheaper then the other companies. Very easy to put together. had it for 4 years and it holds up very well.
I got the 8 x 16 canvas one.
Post by: hershy on August 15, 2011, 10:59:51 AM
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 11:43:16 AM
http://www.sukkahdepot.com/english/Product.aspx?Product=67&Category=41&SubCategory=23What is up with the horrible websites these guys have???
Big fan of this one. I researched the whole thing a few years ago for my father and decided on this. It's very easy to build, and very, very sturdy. Most other interlock succahs have a relatively flimsy metal frame and then attach the panels to the front of the frame (the part that goes inside). With this succah, the frame is much sturdier, and the panels are inside the frame, not pressed against it. Also, instead of fiberglass, the panels are pressed wood, treated and sealed off so it'll last. There are fewer pieces because the design is such that any piece can be a corner (so no corner brackets, like Leiter's). I'm also a fan of the door setup, much better design.
Now for the cons. It's probably more expensive than your other choices. The walls keep heat, sometimes too much for my liking. The door uses a lock and key to stay from swinging, which means you'll leave the key in all the time. But the key is flimsy and I've brushed by and broken more than one. Then I couldn't get a locksmith to copy the key and it was a mess getting another from the company.
All in all, I would definitely recommend this model.
Post by: skyguy918 on August 15, 2011, 11:58:06 AM
What is up with the horrible websites these guys have???
I'd say overall, Sukkah websites are pretty shaky, this one being a little worse than most. I ended up seeing a little 8x8 or something set up in a local Judaica store (that's where they were set up to sell in my neighborhood). One big advantage of that was seeing up close how sturdy it is, and being able to bargain. It was a relatively young guy doing the selling and he seemed to have some autonomy in pricing, especially since we were not ordering a preconfigured setup.
That being said, the closest location to Cleveland that has them on display is probably Toronto. You might be able to bargain over the phone, but probably not as well as in person. Also, if they have no distribution in Cleveland in might be expensive to get it to you. Then again, I don't know if anybody has distribution in Cleveland.
Post by: springles on August 15, 2011, 12:56:56 PM
Post by: skyguy918 on August 15, 2011, 01:15:48 PM
My advice is to buy good strong wood from a lumber yard and build yourself a succah. If you do it right it is the sturdiest and nicest by far. It will take some time to build it the first year but after that its just as quick as the interlocking panels.
While not exactly as difficult as say building a house, building a sukkah from scratch still requires a level of handiness that not everyone has.
Post by: springles on August 15, 2011, 02:43:02 PM
While not exactly as difficult as say building a house, building a sukkah from scratch still requires a level of handiness that not everyone has.I would definitely not call myself a handy person but had no difficulty building a sukkah. Maybe it's because I helped my father put up our wood sukkah all my life but if you have a drill it is really not hard. I think people are often scared to try things on their own but if you do you will find that it was easier than expected.
Post by: jong on August 15, 2011, 03:07:20 PM
I would definitely not call myself a handy person but had no difficulty building a sukkah. Maybe it's because I helped my father put up our wood sukkah all my life but if you have a drill it is really not hard. I think people are often scared to try things on their own but if you do you will find that it was easier than expected.
pre-drill 3 holes... use nuts and bolts to secure
Post by: boruch on August 15, 2011, 05:10:16 PM
wood is a bit more expensive than fiberglass and it looks much nicer. it all depends where you store it during the year (specialy in cleveland ;) ) If you store outside than i would advice you to take fiberglass. wood will warp and be ruined in 2-3 years.
Leiter's has a wholesaler in cleveland. it's Jacobs book store (right by Izzy's pizza) Give them a call and see what he can do for you.
One more thing: customer service @ leiter is sometimes a bit less by Leiter's. It all depends on your salesman. specially if you don't live in Brooklyn and you can't bring it by to fix something if needed.
How do i know all this ?! I worked @ leiters for about five years. did retail sales and managed their wholesale department too so i know most of their wholesalers pretty well. Some of them have no idea about sukkah's and screw up a lot so be carefull. The one in cleveland is pretty good.
My wife is from cleveland and I'm in cleveland for sukkos every year so if u need any help setting it up the first time, I could give you a hand. The least i can do for someone who saves me thousands of dollars over time :)
Post by: E on August 15, 2011, 05:26:33 PM
Post by: boruch on August 15, 2011, 05:59:52 PM
P.S. I still occasionally work for them (after my full time job) during peak season and am sometimes able to get some good deals for family/friends. If you decide to go with a leiter's one I might be able to get you 20% off. (Sukkah price, not shipping. Unfortunately)
Post by: Dan on August 15, 2011, 11:16:26 PM
Here's the thing; Leiter's Sukkah's are a bit more expensive than other sukkah manufactures out there. However my experience is that they are also better and last longer. They also have more options (7' or 8' high, about 12 diffrend colors if you choose wood, windows, doors etc) than other places.Thanks for all the info!
wood is a bit more expensive than fiberglass and it looks much nicer. it all depends where you store it during the year (specialy in cleveland ;) ) If you store outside than i would advice you to take fiberglass. wood will warp and be ruined in 2-3 years.
Leiter's has a wholesaler in cleveland. it's Jacobs book store (right by Izzy's pizza) Give them a call and see what he can do for you.
One more thing: customer service @ leiter is sometimes a bit less by Leiter's. It all depends on your salesman. specially if you don't live in Brooklyn and you can't bring it by to fix something if needed.
How do i know all this ?! I worked @ leiters for about five years. did retail sales and managed their wholesale department too so i know most of their wholesalers pretty well. Some of them have no idea about sukkah's and screw up a lot so be carefull. The one in cleveland is pretty good.
My wife is from cleveland and I'm in cleveland for sukkos every year so if u need any help setting it up the first time, I could give you a hand. The least i can do for someone who saves me thousands of dollars over time :)
Post by: chilled16 on August 17, 2011, 11:09:54 AM
Post by: Yisha on August 18, 2011, 01:03:09 PM
Post by: Dan on August 18, 2011, 01:26:34 PM
And The Best City In The US To Live In That Has A Shul Is... (http://www.dansdeals.com/forums/index.php?topic=9509.0) But no Sukkah ;)Huh?
Post by: elikay on August 18, 2011, 10:25:35 PM
Post by: E on August 19, 2011, 02:02:26 AM
Post by: Simcha89 on August 23, 2011, 11:00:04 PM
Post by: sprint on September 13, 2011, 10:28:16 PM
As far as the canvas sukkas go, any recommendation between the following sukkos? I'm more asking about quality/features (durability, windows, doors, ease of setup) than price. Are the different ez snaps even made by different manufacturers - and just sold under different names?
BTW - looking at an 8x12
http://www.sukkahdepot.com/english/lockform.aspx (7')
http://www.sukkahdepot.com/English/royalform.aspx (7.5')
http://www.leiterssukkah.com/cgi-bin/leiters.cgi?search=yes&category=Ease_Lock_Sukkah_Sunshine (love the air idea - but might be too drafty when cold)
http://www.leiterssukkah.com/ease-frame.htm (i think 7')
http://www.leiterssukkah.com/cgi-bin/leiters.cgi?search=yes&category=King_David (7.5')
http://www.sukkah.com/thumbs.cfm?CategoryID=42
any others?
thanks...
Post by: MarkS on September 13, 2011, 10:42:36 PM
Watch the video - cute log cabin look!
Post by: yaakov s on September 13, 2011, 11:16:31 PM
Sensible Sukkah (http://www.sensiblesukkah.com/) Sounds like an interesting option especially if you're short on storage space.Did you see an actual sukkah too? I'm having a hard time figuring out what the actual look is. Is it cozy like a log cabin or weird like sitting in a lego box.
Watch the video - cute log cabin look!
Post by: MarkS on September 13, 2011, 11:56:02 PM
Post by: Dan on September 13, 2011, 11:59:50 PM
Post by: smurf on September 14, 2011, 12:31:45 AM
Has anyone seen it in person?Yeah I have. It's pretty nifty the pieces are really light making it easier to put together
Post by: yaakov s on September 14, 2011, 01:27:52 AM
Yeah I have. It's pretty nifty the pieces are really light making it easier to put togetherWhat's about the look?like I said earlier from the video it could easily go either way from cozy to weird. Also do you know anyone that used it . What's the feedback is it strong or wobbly?.
Post by: yaakov s on September 14, 2011, 01:34:50 AM
I"yh I'll be building my own Sukkah for the first time this year.Made a decision yet?
Any recommendations? Best durable Sukkah that's not too hard to put together?
I'm leaning towards the modular wood option. I know of 3 companies; Leiters, Sukka Depot , and a third one based out of Passaic name slipped my mind. Does anyone know if there's any real difference between the 3. Or they are all the same with a tiny variation like someone mentioned that Sukkah Depot interlocks on the corners.
Post by: regalhome on September 14, 2011, 09:35:29 AM
Made a decision yet?I`m pretty sure the Passaic one supplies Leiter`s but I might be wrong.
I'm leaning towards the modular wood option. I know of 3 companies; Leiters, Sukka Depot , and a third one based out of Passaic name slipped my mind. Does anyone know if there's any real difference between the 3. Or they are all the same with a tiny variation like someone mentioned that Sukkah Depot interlocks on the corners.
Post by: hocker on September 14, 2011, 09:50:03 AM
Post by: yaakov s on September 14, 2011, 10:13:52 AM
Tachlis any first hand info.
Post by: Name Changed on September 14, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
It will last a lifetime, and its pretty east to put together
Post by: Dan on September 14, 2011, 04:08:47 PM
I suggest get the new BZ SukkahWhat is that?
It will last a lifetime, and its pretty east to put together
Post by: Name Changed on September 14, 2011, 04:26:41 PM
Its made out of plastic - like a shed.... my neighbor has it
Post by: Yeki89 on September 14, 2011, 04:45:53 PM
I`m pretty sure the Passaic one supplies Leiter`s but I might be wrong.lieters is deff in passaic, i was there last year, there nmight be 2 there though
Post by: Ez on September 18, 2011, 02:41:28 AM
Post by: Name Changed on September 18, 2011, 09:06:00 AM
What is that?
There was an ad in the mishpacha (back cover of family first)
Post by: yaakov s on September 18, 2011, 09:40:57 PM
A new sukka that came out last year.Is it up yet this year? wouldn't mind sending a friend to look at an actual model
Its made out of plastic - like a shed.... my neighbor has it
Post by: Name Changed on September 18, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
Is it up yet this year? wouldn't mind sending a friend to look at an actual model
Yea, in lakewood
Post by: yaakov s on September 18, 2011, 10:45:26 PM
Yea, in lakewoodI know plenty of people on DDF in Lakewood who I could send over to look at it
Post by: dlmzog on September 21, 2011, 03:55:47 PM
Post by: Yeki89 on September 23, 2011, 12:07:01 AM
Seems like there is a wood and a fiberglass option: http://www.leiterssukkah.com/modular.htmi have delt eith fiberglass, done it 7 years now. under an hour, including shlepping and sechach
Which have you dealt with?
Post by: elikay on September 23, 2011, 12:22:40 AM
Post by: Name Changed on September 23, 2011, 12:24:24 AM
Any sukkah which was used already (so everything has been figured out and adjusted to exact fit) should be up rather quickly.
the less screws the quicker its to put together
I had a wood sukkah that I built for years in a row took hours longer that a fiberglass one
Post by: Yeki89 on September 23, 2011, 12:29:26 AM
Any sukkah which was used already (so everything has been figured out and adjusted to exact fit) should be up rather quickly.not if the wood warps
Post by: cooljoe613 on September 16, 2012, 12:21:10 AM
does anyone have experience making there own wood sukkah?
Post by: rots5 on September 16, 2012, 12:54:39 AM
bump! its that time of year again!
does anyone have experience making there own wood sukkah?
hire a bunch of mexicans :-) there good,
and dan, the easiest IMHO is the plastic brown pannels, thats the most sold sukka at sukka deopt here in monsey, they just slide in and you r good to go, and there plastic so they wont get ruined.
Post by: JEWDA on September 16, 2012, 12:59:12 AM
hire a bunch of mexicans :-) there good,you realized he asked his question a year ago?
and dan, the easiest IMHO is the plastic brown pannels, thats the most sold sukka at sukka deopt here in monsey, they just slide in and you r good to go, and there plastic so they wont get ruined.
Post by: rots5 on September 16, 2012, 02:08:55 AM
you realized he asked his question a year ago?
lol, i am actually laughing, i forsome reason did not look, to me it looked brand new bec only 3 pages and saw it on the newly posted, oops, thanks jewda, :-]
Post by: boruch on September 16, 2012, 08:16:10 AM
Post by: MarkS on September 16, 2012, 09:41:49 AM
bump! its that time of year again!I built my own a bunch of years ago. Got wood boards and made them into panels with 2x4s.
does anyone have experience making there own wood sukkah?
I bought large Eye Bolts
(http://i46.tinypic.com/21mc8ly.jpg)
and screwed 2 into the 2x4 on one side of each board sticking out toward the next board. To meet it I sawed (or drilled) out a tall (vertical) oval hole.
Slide the boards together with the eye bolts wide section aligned vertically to just fit through the hole, then once through the hole, turn it 90 degrees so that it is now horizontal and won't fit back through the vertical hole!
Post by: rots5 on September 16, 2012, 10:40:11 AM
Plastic panels are not strong. They will last a couple of years not more, specially with kids around. Fiberglass panels are much stronger and will last for decades IME.
ya, i sppuse ur right, i will ask the guuy again, though my parents have a wood sukka on the patio and its 20 yrs old and in perfect condition, just need to be power washed
Post by: sky121 on September 16, 2012, 11:05:11 AM
Takes more effort to build each year but worth it IMHO.
Post by: WAM on September 30, 2012, 03:35:07 AM
Post by: WhyAich on September 30, 2012, 07:41:54 AM
I"yh I'll be building my own Sukkah for the first time this year.
Any recommendations? Best durable Sukkah that's not too hard to put together?
What did you end up buying?
Post by: Dan on September 30, 2012, 11:42:16 AM
What did you end up buying?Leiters
Post by: Cbs on September 30, 2012, 02:03:57 PM
Easy set up and take down.
Post by: boruch on September 30, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
LeitersHappy so far ?!
Post by: lowmann66 on August 11, 2013, 09:49:31 PM
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Post by: MoYS on August 11, 2013, 10:12:42 PM
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 11, 2013, 11:21:31 PM
In need of a sukkah - any deals?What type are you looking for?
Post by: skyguy918 on August 12, 2013, 10:29:51 AM
Post by: notanonymous on August 12, 2013, 11:28:42 AM
In need of a sukkah - any deals?Have you called Tillim?
Post by: Hudi on August 12, 2013, 11:32:07 AM
Post by: Galitzyaner on August 13, 2013, 02:35:19 PM
Just to give you an idea, an 8x8 costs $1,600.00!! Very "Sensible" indeed! ::)
Post by: NJDevil on August 29, 2013, 06:06:56 PM
On a related note, where can I find large schach mats on the cheap? We're talking about a space ~16x16, so it'll probably have to be at least 2 fairly large mats. If it's in the NY metro area I can pick up to save on shipping, otherwise shipping would have to factor into the cheap requirement.
skyguy, not sure if you still need the mats you were looking for. But, if you are, National Sukkah Outlet has a store in Queens @ 141-24 Jewel Ave. and have 8 x 8 mats for $65 ea. Probably have 8 x 16 as well but those would be quite heavy & don't know that price.
Post by: skyguy918 on August 29, 2013, 09:04:59 PM
skyguy, not sure if you still need the mats you were looking for. But, if you are, National Sukkah Outlet has a store in Queens @ 141-24 Jewel Ave. and have 8 x 8 mats for $65 ea. Probably have 8 x 16 as well but those would be quite heavy & don't know that price.
Funny you should mention them, that's who I went with in the end. They actually have 6x16's, which go for $129 on their website, but when I called them they slashed the prices without me even bargaining. I'm picking up 3 (it's always good to overlap at least a list when you have multiple along their width) of them for around $260 when they arrive at the Jewel Ave store.
Post by: DovtheBear on September 17, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
Any good ideas?
Post by: skyguy918 on September 17, 2013, 03:00:28 PM
I'm almost bald after trying to come up with an idea for a shlock.Try building this one.
Any good ideas?
http://www.google.com/patents/US6024153 (http://www.google.com/patents/US6024153)
Post by: Traveler718 on September 09, 2014, 12:21:16 AM
Post by: PBaruch on September 16, 2014, 11:01:18 AM
I have only found one place that sells it - Boro Park Lumber - and they want 1300 for a 4x6 without schach.
Post by: sillypainter on September 16, 2014, 11:10:53 AM
Has anyone had experience with the Wonder Sukkah? It is made out of plastic and snaps together similar to lego.
I have only found one place that sells it - Boro Park Lumber - and they want 1300 for a 4x6 without schach.
I'm just loving it. It does require more storage than other sukkas because it's 2 pc. Panels. Also the schlepping is harder because you need to schlep double. Otherwise, it's the best investment.
Post by: Ergel on September 16, 2014, 11:25:32 AM
Has anyone had experience with the Wonder Sukkah? It is made out of plastic and snaps together similar to lego.Wow. That's a lot of cash
I have only found one place that sells it - Boro Park Lumber - and they want 1300 for a 4x6 without schach.
Post by: Achas Veachas on September 16, 2014, 11:28:47 AM
Post by: PBaruch on September 16, 2014, 11:44:40 AM
I'm just loving it. It does require more storage than other sukkas because it's 2 pc. Panels. Also the schlepping is harder because you need to schlep double. Otherwise, it's the best investment.
Where did you buy yours? I looked online but couldn't find any information for it. The only thing I found was a YouTube video showing how to build it. That being said, I can't see spending 1300+ on it when I can get an ease lock for 450 which includes schach.
Post by: sillypainter on September 16, 2014, 11:54:15 AM
Where did you buy yours? I looked online but couldn't find any information for it. The only thing I found was a YouTube video showing how to build it. That being said, I can't see spending 1300+ on it when I can get an ease lock for 450 which includes schach.
They are the manufacturers so you can't buy it anywhere else. I'm not familiar with other brands, but my Sukkah 13X10 takes an hour start to finish with the walls part less than 15 minutes.
Post by: PBaruch on September 17, 2014, 01:20:12 PM
Post by: cozmohoot on September 17, 2014, 02:59:51 PM
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=31970.0
Post by: PBaruch on September 17, 2014, 03:05:09 PM
I have an 8x6 EZ Succah. Asking 270.
http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=31970.0
Looking specifically for 4x6 and probably will not consider used.
Post by: shmiel1429 on September 18, 2014, 11:24:51 AM
don't mind used
material only
Post by: ilherman on September 30, 2014, 12:57:13 AM
Post by: TimT on September 30, 2014, 01:01:33 AM
Whats the best shlock for a Leiters Sukkah?I'm surprised you didn't start a new thread. It's the holiday of threads. :)
Post by: Friars500 on October 01, 2014, 10:58:46 PM
Post by: Entrepreneur on October 02, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
Funny you should mention them, that's who I went with in the end. They actually have 6x16's, which go for $129 on their website, but when I called them they slashed the prices without me even bargaining. I'm picking up 3 (it's always good to overlap at least a list when you have multiple along their width) of them for around $260 when they arrive at the Jewel Ave store.Not sure if you saw this, but the CRC Chicago has an article about "schach" that you can get from Home Depot. It is pretty cheap compare the cost to others
http://www.crcweb.org/Schach%20Mat%20Fencing%20%28Sep%202014%29.pdf
Post by: elikay on October 02, 2014, 04:55:04 PM
Not sure if you saw this, but the CRC Chicago has an article about "schach" that you can get from Home Depot. It is pretty cheap compare the cost to othersinteresting..
http://www.crcweb.org/Schach%20Mat%20Fencing%20%28Sep%202014%29.pdf (http://www.crcweb.org/Schach%20Mat%20Fencing%20%28Sep%202014%29.pdf)
Quote
Pricing
During the 2013/5774 Succos season, we priced a few local and internet alternatives for schach and found that: (a) mats specifically certified for Succah‐use, cost 7 to 11 times as much per square foot as the ones recommended in this document, and (b) stores specifically catering to Succah needs were selling loose bamboo poles for approximately 13‐35% cheaper per square foot than Home Depot.
[Price comparisons do not include shipping charges. Square foot coverage provided by the different alternatives is estimated.]
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 02, 2014, 07:32:06 PM
interesting..http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45438.msg926504.msg#926504
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 05, 2014, 08:05:11 AM
How about this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004W7SIUG/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?qid=1412510457&sr=1-14&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
Or http://m.target.com/p/garden-sun-stainless-steel-tabletop-propane-patio-heater/-/A-10054686?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=google_pla_df&LNM=10054686&CPNG=Patio+Garden&kpid=10054686&LID=33pgs&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=10054686&kpid=10054686&gclid=CjwKEAjw2MOhBRCq-Nr87_j-lDASJAAl4FNhIUczIcBfLOmmGwicM2okTMSD5yes-N-AF8cL2JXjIxoC4r_w_wcB
ETA this looks best, how can I get in the us at a normal price? http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/261600194369
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2014, 10:26:45 AM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001WH0A7S/?tag=cl03f-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002S8340A/?tag=cl03f-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FLGFZS/?tag=cl03f-20
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 05, 2014, 11:00:52 AM
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003601SMA/?tag=cl03f-20thanks.. The eBay one I posted is around/$65 . anything in that range?
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001WH0A7S/?tag=cl03f-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002S8340A/?tag=cl03f-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000FLGFZS/?tag=cl03f-20
Post by: Dan on October 05, 2014, 11:03:58 AM
thanks.. The eBay one I posted is around/$65 . anything in that range?For a secondhand piece that you pickup from someone's garage in the UK...good luck.
Post by: bubkiz on October 05, 2014, 07:10:33 PM
Seems there are 3 or 4 choices (aside from Home Depot)
Post by: skyguy918 on October 06, 2014, 11:27:41 AM
I'm looking to heat my succah. Are there any safe solutions? I don't have a shlak..Hmm... a heater would probably be a good idea, especially this year. But it'll probably make it way too hot during the day. Now if you can find an outdoor heater that you can attach a timer to (ie electric) and/or one with a built in thermostat, then you'd be sitting pretty.
How about this? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B004W7SIUG/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?qid=1412510457&sr=1-14&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
Or http://m.target.com/p/garden-sun-stainless-steel-tabletop-propane-patio-heater/-/A-10054686?ref=tgt_adv_XSG10001&AFID=google_pla_df&LNM=10054686&CPNG=Patio+Garden&kpid=10054686&LID=33pgs&ci_src=17588969&ci_sku=10054686&kpid=10054686&gclid=CjwKEAjw2MOhBRCq-Nr87_j-lDASJAAl4FNhIUczIcBfLOmmGwicM2okTMSD5yes-N-AF8cL2JXjIxoC4r_w_wcB
ETA this looks best, how can I get in the us at a normal price? http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/261600194369
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2014, 12:08:02 PM
Hmm... a heater would probably be a good idea, especially this year. But it'll probably make it way too hot during the day. Now if you can find an outdoor heater that you can attach a timer to (ie electric) and/or one with a built in thermostat, then you'd be sitting pretty.here you go!
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000E7NYY8/ref=pd_aw_sims_3?pi=SY115&simLd=1#productDescription_secondary_view_pageState_1412553437271
(Can't edit link on phone)
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 12:14:22 PM
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 12:17:07 PM
Best sukkah is indoor :)Best sukkah::Indoor sukkah
Best matzah::Challah
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 12:23:34 PM
Best sukkah::Indoor sukkah(Well how about Chabad doesent sleep in the Sukkah even though the Torah says Teishvu K'ein Toduru?) Myself and most people in monsey have indoor Sukkos. If you have a outdoor Sukka and its freezing and rainy and uncomfortable, thats not a Simchas Yom Tov!
Best matzah::Challah
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 12:28:08 PM
But if we just go by simchas yom tov as what's personally simcha, eating matzah would be off for me. That stuff rips up my stomach to shreds.
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 12:32:17 PM
Dunno, never actually seen an indoor sukkah.In Chabad where machine Matzohs and sleeping indoor is not a problem, you cant complain ;)
But if we just go by simchas yom tov as what's personally simcha, eating matzah would be off for me. That stuff rips up my stomach to shreds.
Post by: dovy2 on October 06, 2014, 12:34:32 PM
In Chabad where machine Matzohs and sleeping indoor is not a problem, you cant complain ;)Implying that hand Matzah tastes better?! Where did you land from?
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 12:39:37 PM
In Chabad where machine Matzohs and sleeping indoor is not a problem, you cant complain ;)Another chabad hater, yay ::)
Maybe have a DO with all of the others and laugh at stupid jokes like the closest religion to judaism?
Chabad is vehemently against eating machine matzah at any point during Pesach.
And you can search for the forums for the explanation on sleeping. Not that I know of a single person in CLE that sleeps in their sukkah anyway.
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 12:39:58 PM
Implying that hand Matzah tastes better?! Where did you land from?Read again. We're going off topic...
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 12:44:28 PM
Another chabad hater, yay ::)I hate Chabad? I dont hate any jew! Me neither dont sleep in Sukkah only first night, cuz i want to have a simchas yom yov.
Maybe have a DO with all of the others and laugh at stupid jokes like the closest religion to judaism?
Chabad is vehemently against eating machine matzah at any point during Pesach.
And you can search for the forums for the explanation on sleeping. Not that I know of a single person in CLE that sleeps in their sukkah anyway.
Can i invite you to my indoor sukkah for a chal hamoad day? I have a16x28 indoor sukkah and a 14 feet high roof (schach)
Post by: cozmohoot on October 06, 2014, 12:46:01 PM
I hate Chabad? I dont hate any jew! Me neither dont sleep in Sukkah only first night, cuz i want to have a simchas yom yov.howbout some pics of this succah. sounds like a room with a retractable roof
Can i invite you to my indoor sukkah for a chal hamoad day? I have a16x28 indoor sukkah and a 14 feet high roof (schach)
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 12:51:40 PM
Post by: mgarfin on October 06, 2014, 01:17:52 PM
Dunno, never actually seen an indoor sukkah.
Wow you need to come to Monsey!!!
Post by: skyguy918 on October 06, 2014, 01:18:21 PM
Exactly and i also put curtains (plain white) on all 4 walls from top to bottom so it feels like sukkos. When it will be ready (now we are hanging up all noy sukkah) i might post a pic of it including the 4x4 feet fruit chandelier.Wow. How much does a 16x28 retractable roof cost?
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 01:21:10 PM
Wow. How much does a 16x28 retractable roof cost?How does it retract anyway?
Never has issues with snow buildup?
OT, but it would be really cool to build a pool with a retractable roof.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2014, 01:23:56 PM
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 01:24:08 PM
How does it retract anyway?There are plenty of companies that do it, GIYF. I looked into it briefly when 2 of the houses we were looking at came with a pool (why would anyone in YYZ have an outdoor pool?)
Never has issues with snow buildup?
OT, but it would be really cool to build a pool with a retractable roof.
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 01:26:37 PM
I hate Chabad? I dont hate any jew! Me neither dont sleep in Sukkah only first night, cuz i want to have a simchas yom yov.What's the difference halachikally for sleeping in the sukkah the first night vs. the other nights? (CMIIW, but I don't think there is one)
Can i invite you to my indoor sukkah for a chal hamoad day? I have a16x28 indoor sukkah and a 14 feet high roof (schach)
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 01:29:16 PM
There are plenty of companies that do it, GIYF. I looked into it briefly when 2 of the houses we were looking at came with a pool (why would anyone in YYZ have an outdoor pool?)Did you get a quote?
How does a retractable roof deal with the snow issue?
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 01:29:24 PM
Wow. How much does a 16x28 retractable roof cost?Was included in building the house. I would guess about 15-25k
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 01:38:55 PM
How does it retract anyway?
Never has issues with snow buildup?
OT, but it would be really cool to build a pool with a retractable roof.
Post by: Ergel on October 06, 2014, 01:39:43 PM
Did you get a quote?Never got that far (my wife thinks it's not safe to have a pool), but it won't be cheap.
How does a retractable roof deal with the snow issue?
They've thought of that. It's like any roof, it's a slanted roof and it is built to hold snow weight.
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 01:45:57 PM
Post by: Joe4007 on October 06, 2014, 01:49:24 PM
Are these sukkah roofs slanted as well?Yes.
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 01:49:58 PM
Post by: Joe4007 on October 06, 2014, 01:52:54 PM
Cool, anyone want to upload some pics?Quick Google search brings up this (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgrefurl=http://www.houzz.com/photos/1571974/Succah-skylight-and-windows-modern-skylights-new-york&tbnid=CQG1nYVRIXwZsM:&docid=_bZxg3uA7wUZsM&h=640&w=480).
Post by: Achas Veachas on October 06, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
In Chabad where machine Matzohs and sleeping indoor is not a problem, you cant complain ;)Funny you mentioned 2 areas where Chabad is more extreme than everyone else.
On Sukkos Chabad are the only ones that sit in the Sukkah when it rains and Pesach Chabad has the biggest Chumros with most Lubavitchers not eating ANYTHIng from outside the house...
Post by: Joe4007 on October 06, 2014, 01:55:31 PM
With wheels on 3 tracks and a chain. Some people even have it with air they just push a button and the roof opens. I never had any problems.They even have some kind of system that you can use on YT with the push of a button. I think it's quite expensive though.
Post by: VacationLover on October 06, 2014, 02:00:11 PM
They even have some kind of system that you can use on YT with the push of a button. I think it's quite expensive though.Thats what i was refering ro
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2014, 02:01:05 PM
Cool, anyone want to upload some pics?many years ago we had a retractable sheet of fiberglass on wheels and a track. It was on a slant and slid down on to a wooden frame attached to the house..
We had a drop ceiling all year.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 06, 2014, 02:13:40 PM
Are these sukkah roofs slanted as well?I know of one really large regular sukkah (ie not in a house) that has a slanted schach roof - though the degree of incline is probably much less steep than a real roof.
Quick Google search brings up this (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgrefurl=http://www.houzz.com/photos/1571974/Succah-skylight-and-windows-modern-skylights-new-york&tbnid=CQG1nYVRIXwZsM:&docid=_bZxg3uA7wUZsM&h=640&w=480).The slant on that is pretty extreme, and probably produces a much smaller footprint within the room that's usable for sukkah than what you see in the opening. Is that how most of them are set up?
Post by: mgarfin on October 06, 2014, 02:14:56 PM
20 years ago it it was very popular to put in a movable roof there, was a guy by the name Paul from New Sqwer that had a kit with a steel track that would move a big roof,
now days most houses are installing skylight or like skylight domes the organelle manufacture was insula-dome (http://www.insula-dome.com/) that went out of business and now there are 2 frum guys competing for the market
http://www.skyviewskylight.com/
http://www.skylightspecialist.net/
They are not cheep at all
And the air powered opener that can be used on shabbos costs about 6K
Post by: mgarfin on October 06, 2014, 02:17:48 PM
Post by: PBaruch on October 06, 2014, 02:25:36 PM
As my father is in the construction line in upstate NY ill try summing this up
20 years ago it it was very popular to put in a movable roof there, was a guy by the name Paul from New Sqwer that had a kit with a steel track that would move a big roof,
now days most houses are installing skylight or like skylight domes the organelle manufacture was insula-dome (http://www.insula-dome.com/) that went out of business and now there are 2 frum guys competing for the market
http://www.skyviewskylight.com/
http://www.skylightspecialist.net/
They are not cheep at all
And the air powered opener that can be used on shabbos costs about 6K
It is 6k total (complete for skylight and air powered opened) including installation? If so, considering the prices of some sukkahs these days, it might just be worth it.
Post by: mgarfin on October 06, 2014, 02:59:00 PM
It is 6k total (complete for skylight and air powered opened) including installation? If so, considering the prices of some sukkahs these days, it might just be worth it.
no only opener.
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 03:00:55 PM
Neat concept, even though it totally feels like gaming the system. If Sukkos is in the fall so that the goyim won't say we're doing it for our enjoyment then how does this help?
Not that I'm one to talk about gaming systems.
But the better response would have been not to throw stones in glass houses :)Which in this case, is not just figurative, but literal ;)
Post by: PBaruch on October 06, 2014, 03:03:41 PM
no only opener.
What is the total average cost including install?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 06, 2014, 03:09:38 PM
What is the total average cost including install?
I would guess about 15-25k.
Post by: PBaruch on October 06, 2014, 03:10:17 PM
Not sure that is worth it for me....
Post by: mgarfin on October 06, 2014, 03:15:30 PM
Not sure that is worth it for me....
If its in a family room and glass skylight, its there for all year round too.
but energy bill is a killer!
Post by: Joe4007 on October 06, 2014, 03:26:49 PM
Seems like a really expensive proposition for 1 week out of the year. Guess that's why I've never seen one.It is indeed very expensive.
Neat concept, even though it totally feels like gaming the system. If Sukkos is in the fall so that the goyim won't say we're doing it for our enjoyment then how does this help?There are several reasons (http://www.chabad.org/holidays/jewishnewyear/template_cdo/aid/999970/jewish/Why-Is-Sukkot-Celebrated-in-the-Autumn.htm) as to why Sukkos is in the fall (I mean the Aussies are Jews too...).
Not that I'm one to talk about gaming systems.Which in this case, is not just figurative, but literal ;);D ;D
Post by: Dan on October 06, 2014, 03:31:32 PM
There are several reasons (http://www.chabad.org/holidays/jewishnewyear/template_cdo/aid/999970/jewish/Why-Is-Sukkot-Celebrated-in-the-Autumn.htm) as to why Sukkos is in the fall (I mean the Aussies are Jews too...).Fair enough. But how does sitting under a skylight in your house help with #1, #2, or #3?
Just rubs me as being pretty gamey/gimmicky. I mean not nearly as much as a smartphone shabbos app, but you know what I'm getting at.
Am I alone in that feeling?
Post by: PBaruch on October 06, 2014, 03:38:15 PM
Fair enough. But how does sitting under a skylight in your house help with #1, #2, or #3?
Just rubs me as being pretty gamey/gimmicky. I mean not nearly as much as a smartphone shabbos app, but you know what I'm getting at.
Am I alone in that feeling?
As long as something is 100% halachically permissible, I don't see what the problem is. That being said, some of those imitation fake bread pesach foods make me squirm.
Post by: Joe4007 on October 06, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
Fair enough. But how does sitting under a skylight in your house help with #1, #2, or #3?The 25K price tag should help with #1 ;)
Post by: username on October 06, 2014, 03:55:24 PM
Most succas in the UK are indoors with retractable fiberglass.... If you use "wood wool" as sechach you wouldn't even know you are in a succa..What is wood wool?
Post by: PBaruch on October 06, 2014, 04:07:08 PM
What is wood wool?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_wool
Is this permissible to use?
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wood_woolI've seen it used butask a lor.
Is this permissible to use?
Post by: username on October 06, 2014, 04:12:55 PM
I've seen it used butask a lor.Before i ask a LOR;
How do you get it to stay up? How far away do the support beams have to be?
Where can you get it in USA?
And what happens to it when it rains?
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 06, 2014, 04:57:57 PM
Before i ask a LOR;we used it in a succah with a built in roof so it never got wet. And the sechach was inside, between the walls.
How do you get it to stay up? How far away do the support beams have to be?
Where can you get it in USA?
And what happens to it when it rains?
You hold it up the same as any other sechach.. Its not heavy and is very 'wooly' so won't fall the cracks but it can blow away if not secured. I guess some 2*4 on top will hold it.
Post by: srf60 on September 10, 2015, 01:34:05 AM
I did a bit of research on the panel sukkahs, leiters seems more flimsy while sukkah depot is much sturdier, plus it doesn't need all these brackets.
But there's also a panel sukkah from sukkah center, though not as popular, it seemed pretty decent. Does anyone have any info about it? How does it compare to sukkah depot?
Post by: srf60 on September 10, 2015, 02:16:54 PM
OK so its this time of the year once again......Bump
I did a bit of research on the panel sukkahs, leiters seems more flimsy while sukkah depot is much sturdier, plus it doesn't need all these brackets.
But there's also a panel sukkah from sukkah center, though not as popular, it seemed pretty decent. Does anyone have any info about it? How does it compare to sukkah depot?
Post by: xodus8 on September 10, 2015, 02:51:06 PM
Post by: alexk. on September 10, 2015, 05:08:42 PM
However, the Leiter one is "lighter". If shlepping and storing is a concern, then the lighter weight may be for you.
Also, I may be mistaken, but I believe the standard Sukkah Depot height is taller than Leiter's.
With 2 people, my sukkah depot boards are up in about 10-15 minutes.
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 25, 2015, 12:25:45 PM
Thumb tacks de-water proof the laminated stuff...
Post by: yos9694 on September 25, 2015, 01:07:04 PM
Whats the best way to hang up posters etc in a wood succah?
Thumb tacks de-water proof the laminated stuff...
Velcro w/ sticky backs
Post by: skyguy918 on September 25, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Whats the best way to hang up posters etc in a wood succah?Same question but with tarp walls. In the past I've used all sorts of different types of tape to varying - but generally disappointing - results. I was considering using safety pins, or something like that, but it would have the same de-waterproofing issue. I feel like I'm missing an obvious, easy solution.
Thumb tacks de-water proof the laminated stuff...
Post by: yoshyosh on September 25, 2015, 01:33:35 PM
Same question but with tarp walls. In the past I've used all sorts of different types of tape to varying - but generally disappointing - results. I was considering using safety pins, or something like that, but it would have the same de-waterproofing issue. I feel like I'm missing an obvious, easy solution.use a magnet on both sides of the tarp
Post by: skyguy918 on September 25, 2015, 01:41:26 PM
use a magnet on both sides of the tarpOoh, I like it! Doesn't work for me though because the other side is a deck railing 10-15 feet off the ground.
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 26, 2015, 10:35:32 PM
Post by: Zalc on September 30, 2015, 01:16:50 AM
I'm letting lose w my high powered staple gunIt's too late now, but we printed or picture on waterproof canvas, and it's lasted 20 years of Sukkos in NYC without fading or warping etc.
We just use pushpins
Post by: avromie7 on September 30, 2015, 01:21:54 AM
Thumb tacks de-water proof the laminated stuff...stick them in to the excess plastic
Post by: dealfinder85 on September 02, 2016, 11:53:55 AM
Post by: danR on September 12, 2016, 05:28:05 PM
http://www.leishevbasukkah.com/
Post by: yoruel on September 13, 2016, 10:46:14 AM
Does any 1 have more links for cheap schach mats?
Post by: shmu on September 13, 2016, 11:56:35 AM
Created Wiki.Thanks for that
Does any 1 have more links for cheap schach mats?
Post by: joed25 on September 13, 2016, 08:41:24 PM
Post by: moka on September 14, 2016, 08:52:49 AM
price? where to buy?
Post by: Yaalili on September 14, 2016, 10:18:05 AM
anyone have info on pop up sukkahs?
price? where to buy?
Following, also interested to know.
Post by: damaxer91 on September 14, 2016, 01:25:50 PM
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 16, 2016, 12:56:56 AM
The ones with a hecsher on them and marketed for Schach (that I saw on Amazon) are 80 dollars or so to the typical bamboo fence sold online for 5 to 10 dollars. Anyone know of an option that is kosher (I would obviously ask my LOR) that is not sold for Sukkos and as a result isn't priced high? I was told that the material holding together the bamboo should be natural.
Post by: Yikes2179 on September 16, 2016, 01:04:43 AM
Looking to use bamboo fencing for Schach.I believe last year this was on the crc Chicago approved list for schach
The ones with a hecsher on them and marketed for Schach (that I saw on Amazon) are 80 dollars or so to the typical bamboo fence sold online for 5 to 10 dollars. Anyone know of an option that is kosher (I would obviously ask my LOR) that is not sold for Sukkos and as a result isn't priced high? I was told that the material holding together the bamboo should be natural.
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Backyard-X-Scapes-6-ft-H-x-16-ft-L-Reed-Fencing-HDD-BIN-RF01/100661555
Post by: skyguy918 on September 16, 2016, 09:10:38 AM
Does anyone make a nice Fiberglass Sukkah thats more than 8.5 ft high?That would almost definitely have to be custom, if anyone does it at all. Who makes 8.5?
Post by: henche on September 16, 2016, 09:28:09 AM
Created Wiki.
Does any 1 have more links for cheap schach mats?
homedepot.com
see http://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=45438.0
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 16, 2016, 10:11:32 AM
I believe last year this was on the crc Chicago approved list for schachTnx. Seems like it's out of stock....
http://m.homedepot.com/p/Backyard-X-Scapes-6-ft-H-x-16-ft-L-Reed-Fencing-HDD-BIN-RF01/100661555
Post by: skyguy918 on September 16, 2016, 10:16:10 AM
Tnx. Seems like it's out of stock....Here's another:
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-6-ft-H-x-16-ft-L-Natural-Reed-Bamboo-Garden-Fence-0406164/203580820
Maybe email crc about it.
Post by: Yikes2179 on September 16, 2016, 10:16:57 AM
Tnx. Seems like it's out of stock....I couldn't find the crc letter from last year - i believe they listed 3 different ones that were kosher
Post by: yoruel on September 16, 2016, 11:33:18 AM
I couldn't find the crc letter from last year -Check Wiki
Post by: Fan of Dan on September 19, 2016, 01:58:14 PM
Here's another:Tnx!
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-6-ft-H-x-16-ft-L-Natural-Reed-Bamboo-Garden-Fence-0406164/203580820
Maybe email crc about it.
Post by: ushdadude on September 25, 2016, 09:57:47 PM
new place with better prices
http://www.leishevbasukkah.com/ (http://www.leishevbasukkah.com/)
i'm thinking about getting one. not the prettiest but definitely functional
Post by: yoruel on September 27, 2016, 10:39:51 AM
Here's another:This is the 1 on the PDF. Its Kosher.
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-6-ft-H-x-16-ft-L-Natural-Reed-Bamboo-Garden-Fence-0406164/203580820
Maybe email crc about it.
Post by: yesitsme on September 27, 2016, 11:50:13 AM
Post by: efflpetzel on September 27, 2016, 01:13:40 PM
Post by: sams on September 27, 2016, 01:24:55 PM
who sells the cheapest popup succah'sThey're kosher?
Post by: efflpetzel on September 27, 2016, 01:30:38 PM
They're kosher?Is that a question
Post by: ushdadude on September 27, 2016, 02:36:38 PM
http://www.sensiblesukkah.com/ (http://www.sensiblesukkah.com/)
looks cool!
any idea on pricing?
Post by: Eliyohu on September 27, 2016, 03:03:52 PM
http://www.sensiblesukkah.com/Cool concept but seems there's too many pieces and parts that can easily get lost/ break. The main issue though is (besides tedious) if it doesn't lie perfectly flat it's not going to work...
Post by: skyguy918 on September 27, 2016, 03:07:12 PM
Cool concept but seems there's too many pieces and parts that can easily get lost/ break. The main issue though is (besides tedious) if it doesn't lie perfectly flat it's not going to work...Not to mention the pain in the neck it probably is to move to/from storage, with that many pieces.
Post by: Eliyohu on September 27, 2016, 03:08:31 PM
Not to mention the pain in the neck it probably is to move to/from storage, with that many pieces.Or the pain of lifting each individual piece up 8 ft and lowering it down the rails...
Post by: coralsnake on September 27, 2016, 03:31:45 PM
Cool concept but seems there's too many pieces and parts that can easily get lost/ break. The main issue though is (besides tedious) if it doesn't lie perfectly flat it's not going to work...
Not to mention the pain in the neck it probably is to move to/from storage, with that many pieces.
Or the pain of lifting each individual piece up 8 ft and lowering it down the rails...I dont know what you guys are talking about. I just watched the video on the website and it clearly builds itself. Now thats sensible!
Post by: ushdadude on September 27, 2016, 03:32:42 PM
Post by: Eliyohu on September 27, 2016, 03:36:50 PM
I dont know what you guys are talking about. I just watched the video on the website and it clearly builds itself. Now thats sensible!Lol was thinking the exact same thing! the best part is the prices appear from the sky so there's no storage issues and mby even has the kedusha of "sukkas dovid hanofules"
Post by: dealfinder85 on September 28, 2016, 09:17:15 AM
Post by: yesitsme on October 09, 2016, 11:01:10 AM
Final product. Just need to paint now. There are some minor changes I would make next time.Didnt work out?
(http://tapatalk.imageshack.com/v2/14/09/30/423ff84ee5065eb76dbb4e9d5ab6a928.jpg)
i'm thinking about getting one. not the prettiest but definitely functional
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 09, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
Like this https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0066L0ZRU/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476026223&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=heat+bulb+bathroom&dpPl=1&dpID=31wn7HbySrL&ref=plSrch
Thoughts?
Post by: jackofall on October 09, 2016, 11:22:01 AM
Was looking for awnings on Amazon but most seem only good for sun/shade. Any other ideas?
Post by: yesitsme on October 09, 2016, 11:28:45 AM
http://www.sensiblesukkah.com/
http://www.leiterssukkah.com/
http://sukkah.com/
http://www.sukkahdepot.com/
http://www.sukkot.com/
http://www.sukkahrentals.com/
http://sukkahoutlet.com/product-category/sukkah-styles/ez-sukkahs/
Post by: TimT on October 09, 2016, 11:36:22 AM
http://www.leishevbasukkah.com/Personal experience with any of them ? I'm in the market
http://www.sensiblesukkah.com/
http://www.leiterssukkah.com/
http://sukkah.com/
http://www.sukkahdepot.com/
http://www.sukkot.com/
http://www.sukkahrentals.com/
http://sukkahoutlet.com/product-category/sukkah-styles/ez-sukkahs/
Post by: yesitsme on October 09, 2016, 12:25:54 PM
Personal experience with any of them ? I'm in the marketMe too
I was going to buy....
Leiter sukka someone piped up "What it's too expensive, Buy the traditional panel sukka for 3rd of the price, $30 panel",
I was going to buy the traditional panel sukka, someone piped up "What you're buying panels just buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot let them cut it in half with a few 2x3 for half price",
I was going to buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot someone piped up "Plywood they bend out of shape from rain and shine, build panels you better off, all you need is wood glue carpenter nails 2x2 and panels the way to go"
I was going to build sukka panels, I searched on ddf and
I built into a deck. I can tell you that the biggest cost is time and that you may be starting late already now.And ushdadude built one 2 years ago and is still in the market, I'd rather pay three times the price then buing (cheep) every year.
So I'm totally confused..
Post by: skyguy918 on October 09, 2016, 01:03:50 PM
Anyone use heat lamps in the succah?Probably not rated for outdoor use.
Like this https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0066L0ZRU/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1476026223&sr=8-1&pi=SY200_QL40&keywords=heat+bulb+bathroom&dpPl=1&dpID=31wn7HbySrL&ref=plSrch
Thoughts?
Post by: TimT on October 09, 2016, 01:08:08 PM
Me tooחד גדיא לחג הסוכות :)
I was going to buy....
Leiter sukka someone piped up "What it's too expensive, Buy the traditional panel sukka for 3rd of the price, $30 panel",
I was going to buy the traditional panel sukka, someone piped up "What you're buying panels just buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot let them cut it in half with a few 2x3 for half price",
I was going to buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot someone piped up "Plywood they bend out of shape from rain and shine, build panels you better off, all you need is wood glue carpenter nails 2x2 and panels the way to go"
I was going to build sukka panels, I searched on ddf and And ushdadude built one 2 years ago and is still in the market, I'd rather pay three times the price then buing (cheep) every year.
So I'm totally confused..
Post by: ushdadude on October 09, 2016, 01:50:16 PM
Didnt work out?
it worked out well that year but the wood warped and turned moldy :(
Post by: Yaalili on October 09, 2016, 03:09:36 PM
anyone have info on pop up sukkahs?
price? where to buy?
Seems jet.com may be best place to buy one, after TRIPLE15 promo code, comes out to $171.50 shipped.
Post by: grodnoking on October 09, 2016, 04:09:15 PM
Seems jet.com may be best place to buy one, after TRIPLE15 promo code, comes out to $171.50 shipped.Link?
Post by: grodnoking on October 09, 2016, 04:15:03 PM
Me tooMy opinion. Buy the fiberglass 4ft walls for however much they cost. Buy the standered size they have been making for the past 30 years (back when it was green and yellow. My sukkah has three different style walls, all of them produced many years apart from each other) so you can expand whenever you need to. The brackets and walls are still being made and will probably not stop being made for many many years. Its light and simple to put up, and lasts forever as long as you dont accidentally drop it off your deck and have the fiberglass smash when hitting a blunt object on the ground.
I was going to buy....
Leiter sukka someone piped up "What it's too expensive, Buy the traditional panel sukka for 3rd of the price, $30 panel",
I was going to buy the traditional panel sukka, someone piped up "What you're buying panels just buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot let them cut it in half with a few 2x3 for half price",
I was going to buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot someone piped up "Plywood they bend out of shape from rain and shine, build panels you better off, all you need is wood glue carpenter nails 2x2 and panels the way to go"
I was going to build sukka panels, I searched on ddf and And ushdadude built one 2 years ago and is still in the market, I'd rather pay three times the price then buing (cheep) every year.
So I'm totally confused..
And since I buy bamboo poles and not mats: get bamboo from a nursery for half the price of any sukkah place.
Post by: yesitsme on October 09, 2016, 04:29:46 PM
My opinion. Buy the fiberglass 4ft walls for however much they cost. Buy the standered size they have been making for the past 30 years (back when it was green and yellow. My sukkah has three different style walls, all of them produced many years apart from each other) so you can expand whenever you need to. The brackets and walls are still being made and will probably not stop being made for many many years. Its light and simple to put up, and lasts forever as long as you dont accidentally drop it off your deck and have the fiberglass smash when hitting a blunt object on the ground.this ? (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glasliner-4-ft-x-8-ft-Almond-090-in-Fiberglass-Reinforced-Wall-Panel-179302/202085619)
And since I buy bamboo poles and not mats: get bamboo from a nursery for half the price of any sukkah place.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 09, 2016, 04:49:05 PM
Me tooNurseries sell cut bamboo? Link?
I was going to buy....
Leiter sukka someone piped up "What it's too expensive, Buy the traditional panel sukka for 3rd of the price, $30 panel",
I was going to buy the traditional panel sukka, someone piped up "What you're buying panels just buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot let them cut it in half with a few 2x3 for half price",
I was going to buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot someone piped up "Plywood they bend out of shape from rain and shine, build panels you better off, all you need is wood glue carpenter nails 2x2 and panels the way to go"
I was going to build sukka panels, I searched on ddf and And ushdadude built one 2 years ago and is still in the market, I'd rather pay three times the price then buing (cheep) every year.
So I'm totally confused..
Post by: Yaalili on October 09, 2016, 06:48:03 PM
Link?
https://jet.com/product/Fold-N-Go-Sukkah-Portable-Pop-up-Travel-Sukkah-with-Bamboo-Mat-Schach/a20366a3d9c3433a9d498a051f36da30. Free returns within 30 days to Jet, and no tax to most states.
Post by: grodnoking on October 09, 2016, 07:21:05 PM
this ? (http://www.homedepot.com/p/Glasliner-4-ft-x-8-ft-Almond-090-in-Fiberglass-Reinforced-Wall-Panel-179302/202085619)Two generations of my sukkah looks like that. But obviously I buy it from people who build it into sukkah walls (or you can get fake looking wood fiberglass)
Post by: srf60 on October 09, 2016, 08:22:16 PM
Personal experience with any of them ? I'm in the marketI bought from sukka depot last year , was very happy with it.
It didn't take long to put it up and I did by myself.
Just bargain on the price......
Post by: aygart on October 09, 2016, 08:26:32 PM
Me tooThe one I was referring to then lasted me 13 years until I moved. I had made a frame of 2x4s which I used bolts to attach to the deck railing and then screwed 1/4 in luan panels. I never had an issue of them getting moldy or warping even though they were not waterproofed. One or two of the 2x4s from the frame warped to become unusabe and were easily replaced.
I was going to buy....
Leiter sukka someone piped up "What it's too expensive, Buy the traditional panel sukka for 3rd of the price, $30 panel",
I was going to buy the traditional panel sukka, someone piped up "What you're buying panels just buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot let them cut it in half with a few 2x3 for half price",
I was going to buy quarter inch 4x8 plywood from home depot someone piped up "Plywood they bend out of shape from rain and shine, build panels you better off, all you need is wood glue carpenter nails 2x2 and panels the way to go"
I was going to build sukka panels, I searched on ddf and And ushdadude built one 2 years ago and is still in the market, I'd rather pay three times the price then buing (cheep) every year.
So I'm totally confused..
In my new house I hired someone to extend my deck and at the same time had him make a frame with panels for the sukkah. the panels each have a frame and pop into the frame. They are held in by turn buttons. Took my kids half an hour to put it up.
Post by: aygart on October 09, 2016, 08:33:24 PM
it worked out well that year but the wood warped and turned moldy :(then it must have been put away most or stored in a most place.
Post by: TimT on October 09, 2016, 08:42:08 PM
I bought from sukka depot last year , was very happy with it.Browsing through their site they seem to be more expensive then some other places I've seen.
It didn't take long to put it up and I did by myself.
Just bargain on the price......
Post by: ushdadude on October 09, 2016, 08:43:44 PM
then it must have been put away most or stored in a most place.
happened during sukkos
Post by: aygart on October 09, 2016, 08:51:54 PM
happened during sukkosthen it must be in a shady spot where it doesn't dry well. Mine went through plenty of rainy years. If it will be in such a location it should be treated.
Post by: aygart on October 09, 2016, 09:00:27 PM
Post by: TimT on October 09, 2016, 09:06:38 PM
The current sukkah(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161010/147491c02ab99136d4544bcdca97dec8.jpg)Nice. That's wood ?
Post by: aygart on October 09, 2016, 09:07:59 PM
Nice. That's wood ?Yes
Post by: skyguy918 on October 09, 2016, 10:23:45 PM
The one I was referring to then lasted me 13 years until I moved. I had made a frame of 2x4s which I used bolts to attach to the deck railing and then screwed 1/4 in luan panels. I never had an issue of them getting moldy or warping even though they were not waterproofed. One or two of the 2x4s from the frame warped to become unusabe and were easily replaced.I bought my house with a deck that the previous owner had sort of tacked on a schach frame permanently. It's not perfect, but it made it really easy and cheap with some tarps, bungee and ball cords, and mats. But If I ever have to redo the deck, I've been dying to do what you did and design with the sukkah in mind from the get go.
In my new house I hired someone to extend my deck and at the same time had him make a frame with panels for the sukkah. the panels each have a frame and pop into the frame. They are held in by turn buttons. Took my kids half an hour to put it up.
Post by: pghtown on October 09, 2016, 11:30:07 PM
Post by: srf60 on October 09, 2016, 11:44:02 PM
Browsing through their site they seem to be more expensive then some other places I've seen.It definitely came out cheaper than Leiters (they are across from each other.....)
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 09, 2016, 11:47:28 PM
The current sukkah(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161010/147491c02ab99136d4544bcdca97dec8.jpg)But does your deck feel very "enclosed" year round?
Post by: aygart on October 09, 2016, 11:49:45 PM
But does your deck feel very "enclosed" year round?Not in the slightest. The only thing different all year are the posts and the frame for the scach. DW hangs some flowers from the frame
The ones which feel enclosed are the ones which are filled on the bottom instead of being just a regular deck railing.
Post by: YossiL on October 10, 2016, 12:24:50 AM
Post by: TimT on October 10, 2016, 12:33:27 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161010/6752de2ff1d312d16087b6ec535d230b.jpg)How much is the deluxe canvas that comes separate walls & you can add on ?
Post by: yesitsme on October 10, 2016, 04:06:11 PM
Post by: skyguy918 on October 10, 2016, 04:34:45 PM
How does leiter sukka and sukka depot compare? Quality, Warranty, Price, Customer ServiceDon't know much about most of those categories, but I have dealt with both types and can comment on some of the differences.
They both have tool-less installation (ie the panels click into each other). They both offer pretty good flexibility in terms of size and type (doors, windows, with art on it, etc/) of panel.
SD is a very sturdy metal frame with pressed wood boards in between the metal (you can see the frame from both sides). This creates a very good rigidity, especially when coupled with the beams you're supposed to put in brackets along the top of the walls. Leiters is also a metal frame, though not quite as strong in my experience. The panel is fiberglass (I believe even the wood colors are fiberglass as well), and it's bolted flat onto one side of the frame (ie you can only see the frame from one side). That combination gives them way more flex than SD, but also makes them lighter.
SD only makes one color - light wood on one side and dark wood on the other (I think all the pieces are fully reversible).The height is 7.5' I believe. Leiters has more options: 7' or 8' heights, different wood shades and plain colors, etc.
Post by: YossiL on October 10, 2016, 04:37:03 PM
Post by: moko on October 10, 2016, 06:56:46 PM
If you are talking about the canvas sukkahs they are all practically identical with leishev Basukkah being the best priced. Supposedly they come from the same factories in China which is why the pieces from different companies are interchangeable.canvas ones are most definitely not the same. Some come with one piece of fabric for the entire sukkah which is not expandable. Others have a separate piece of fabric for each section, making it expandable.
Post by: TimT on October 10, 2016, 07:38:33 PM
canvas ones are most definitely not the same. Some come with one piece of fabric for the entire sukkah which is not expandable. Others have a separate piece of fabric for each section, making it expandable.A few of the places I checked sell 3 different kinds of canvas. Probably all places are selling the same 3 kinds.
Post by: YossiL on October 10, 2016, 10:46:21 PM
Post by: koplonko on October 12, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161010/6752de2ff1d312d16087b6ec535d230b.jpg)
If you are talking about the canvas sukkahs they are all practically identical with leishev Basukkah being the best priced. Supposedly they come from the same factories in China which is why the pieces from different companies are interchangeable.
From what I have seen leishev sukkah depot and leiters are all practically identical.We do understand that you are obviously giving a subjective, un-biased opinion regarding leishev basukkah
Post by: smurf on October 12, 2016, 11:20:28 PM
canvas ones are most definitely not the same. Some come with one piece of fabric for the entire sukkah which is not expandable. Others have a separate piece of fabric for each section, making it expandable.that doesn't depend on the place you buy it from, they all have both types.
Standard sizes are one piece, unless they are very large, custom sizes will be separate pieces.
if you want a standard size with the option to expand, or with only 3 walls, you can request that they give you separate pieces, however they will probably price it out as a custom.
Post by: TimT on October 16, 2016, 12:20:41 AM
Post by: aygart on October 16, 2016, 12:27:31 AM
After checking several places I've noticed that the canvas sukkahs are sooo thin. Shouldn't they be a thick material or is that something else ?what potential issue do you think will be solved by thickness
Post by: TimT on October 16, 2016, 01:02:56 AM
what potential issue do you think will be solved by thicknessThese seem to be a very thin plastic, not even material. Not very durable at all.
Post by: yakov116 on October 16, 2016, 01:04:15 AM
These seem to be a very thin plastic, not even material. Not very durable at all.Very durable have it myself
Post by: TimT on October 16, 2016, 01:06:48 AM
Very durable have it myselfPoking holes for decarations didn't leave any holes? Or cause them to get bigger ?
Post by: yakov116 on October 16, 2016, 01:07:22 AM
Poking holes for decarations didn't leave any holes? Or cause them to get bigger ?They have special thing to use
Post by: TimT on October 16, 2016, 01:21:03 AM
They have special thing to useWhat kind of thing ?
Post by: yakov116 on October 16, 2016, 01:44:38 AM
What kind of thing ?You can use a magnet or a tiny double sided push pin
Post by: dealfinder85 on October 21, 2016, 11:44:46 AM
Post by: TimT on October 21, 2016, 11:50:24 AM
how fast would gusts need to be to put schach mats in jeopardy that arent currently tied down? any estimates? need to know if i should inconvenience myself to get mine tied down pre shabbosI saw mats down yesterday & it wasn't very windy.
Post by: steroplasma on October 21, 2016, 03:27:31 PM
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2016, 03:42:25 PM
how fast would gusts need to be to put schach mats in jeopardy that arent currently tied down? any estimates? need to know if i should inconvenience myself to get mine tied down pre shabbosIME tying down might not work, and if the wind is a little strong, your mats can actually rip.
The best way to keep mats secure is to put evergreen schach around the perimeter of the mat. If you don't have that, try some tree limbs with several branches.
Post by: TimT on October 21, 2016, 03:47:38 PM
IME tying down might not work, and if the wind is a little strong, your mats can actually rip.Wouldn't a few 2x4's keep it down ?
The best way to keep mats secure is to put evergreen schach around the perimeter of the mat. If you don't have that, try some tree limbs with several branches.
Post by: ExGingi on October 21, 2016, 03:51:00 PM
Wouldn't a few 2x4's keep it down ?I have a rather large sukkah, with several mats required to cover it. IME if the wind manages to get to an edge, the mat will act as a sail. That's a pretty powerful force and could sometimes overcome the 2x4s (I guess that is unless you put quite a few of them, not only one or two). I've tried many things with varying degrees of success. Ever since I decided to put evergreen around the perimeter I have never had any wind move my mats.
Post by: TimT on October 22, 2016, 07:56:33 PM
I have a rather large sukkah, with several mats required to cover it. IME if the wind manages to get to an edge, the mat will act as a sail. That's a pretty powerful force and could sometimes overcome the 2x4s (I guess that is unless you put quite a few of them, not only one or two). I've tried many things with varying degrees of success. Ever since I decided to put evergreen around the perimeter I have never had any wind move my mats.How did the mats fare today ? :)
Post by: ExGingi on October 22, 2016, 08:13:46 PM
How did the mats fare today ? :)Didn't budge.
Though some tarp I put up to augment the דפנות did give in to the wind at one point. And despite the fact that that allowed the wind to get under the mats, they stayed put due to evergreen on top.
Post by: TimT on October 22, 2016, 08:17:41 PM
Didn't budge.I was surprised to not see anybody's schach blown off. Even unsecured mats. My shlock went up & my new expensive fluorescent is finished.
Though some tarp I put up to augment the דפנות did give in to the wind at one point. And despite the fact that that allowed the wind to get under the mats, they stayed put due to evergreen on top.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 22, 2016, 08:46:27 PM
I was surprised to not see anybody's schach blown off. Even unsecured mats. My shlock went up & my new expensive fluorescent is finished.The led fluorescents die after the first drop of rain. Old school cheap ones is the way to go.
I saw two canvas succas today destroyed
Post by: TimT on October 22, 2016, 08:51:44 PM
The led fluorescents die after the first drop of rain. Old school cheap ones is the way to go.Oh well. I was lied to
Post by: dealfinder85 on October 22, 2016, 09:01:19 PM
How did the mats fare today ? :)Didn't budge
Panels moved a bit but I pushed them back out tonight
Post by: BAHayman on October 22, 2016, 09:30:08 PM
The led fluorescents die after the first drop of rain. Old school cheap ones is the way to go.
Oh well. I was lied toFYI these (https://smile.amazon.com/Hyperikon-Equivalent-Waterproof-120-277v-Certified/dp/B01ENWKO92/) worked real well.
Post by: davidmal on October 23, 2016, 12:05:29 PM
Yescan you post a pic without the sukkah to get a a better idea?
Post by: skyguy918 on October 23, 2016, 01:23:28 PM
I have a rather large sukkah, with several mats required to cover it. IME if the wind manages to get to an edge, the mat will act as a sail. That's a pretty powerful force and could sometimes overcome the 2x4s (I guess that is unless you put quite a few of them, not only one or two). I've tried many things with varying degrees of success. Ever since I decided to put evergreen around the perimeter I have never had any wind move my mats.That's why you put the 2x4's along the edges. It's not so many pieces of wood that way, and it's more secure. Bonus points if you zip-tie the top and bottom 2x4's together, sandwiching the mats - that thing ain't budging an inch.
I used strips of lulav this year. My sukkah is on a raised deck (10+ feet off the ground) and at the back of my attached house (anyone who live in KGH knows that the shared driveway/alleys are like wind tunnels), but survived some pretty intense wind already.
The led fluorescents die after the first drop of rain. Old school cheap ones is the way to go.You probably mean LED tubes, or LED shoplights. Florescent and LED are different types of light sources. Either way, there's no real rule of thumb. You can find badly made florescent fixtures and well made LED's. You could be buying the wrong type for your usage as well.
I saw two canvas succas today destroyed
Post by: aygart on October 23, 2016, 01:25:14 PM
can you post a pic without the sukkah to get a a better idea?Do you mean of the deck without the succah? Sure
Post by: TimT on October 23, 2016, 01:26:11 PM
You probably mean LED tubes, or LED shoplights. Florescent and LED are different types of light sources. Either way, there's no real rule of thumb. You can find badly made florescent fixtures and well made LED's. You could be buying the wrong type for your usage as well.I got something from Sunlite. All the hardware stores were pushing that.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 23, 2016, 01:47:38 PM
I got something from Sunlite. All the hardware stores were pushing that.I assume you mean this:
https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-LFX-SHOP-48W-120-277/dp/B00NMIT7W4
It's rated for damp location, not as waterproof. I'm not saying it's okay for it to conk out at first drop, but it's not intended to power through water pooling in the light.
Post by: TimT on October 23, 2016, 02:00:05 PM
I assume you mean this:Something like that
https://www.amazon.com/Sunlite-LFX-SHOP-48W-120-277/dp/B00NMIT7W4
It's rated for damp location, not as waterproof. I'm not saying it's okay for it to conk out at first drop, but it's not intended to power through water pooling in the light.
Post by: davidmal on October 23, 2016, 02:24:59 PM
Do you mean of the deck without the succah? SureYep
Post by: ushdadude on October 23, 2016, 04:03:22 PM
Post by: grodnoking on October 23, 2016, 04:04:30 PM
my 4x6 canvas sukka completely collapsed on shabbosI know of a lieters sukkah that collapsed on shabbos. The winds where very strong.
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 08:10:28 AM
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/ea6796df421a1391b800c11caeb46d50.jpg)
Total size is 24x14
There is a frame built into the deck which stays up all year as well as a support for the schach. The light fixtures are outdoor fixtures which also stay up all year.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/f236a1399c0fec25a73d2afb1b84cd64.jpg)
This part stays up against the house all year as well.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/33c0adb54843db21a9284f24918a57c1.jpg)
Here you can see the way the light is set up with a two gang switch in an outdoor box with a plug attached to the existing outdoor outlet allowing us to attach a timer.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/0faad0085e284f1c91b51ead6097fe61.jpg)
Panels on the top and bottom are held in place by turn buckles
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/6af7cd88e04ea4ff068fb91bd87c96d1.jpg)
The bottom panels have 2 on each side while the top ones have one since the top slides into a slot.
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/35a5bdae6f404fd4b6fbaac06c9d922e.jpg)
The bottom of the door stays up all year while the top get screwed on each year
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/db96a7cd899f6fe2830ee57502d660e9.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/fc35fa6696b1679a1a20bc0d241fdb2d.jpg)
I see that the hinge got bent this year-probably by my two year old who figured out how to open the top without the bottom
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/3b108c3a370ed0ee8397aa91779d646a.jpg)
The bottom door panel is held on by attaching two pieces of 2x4 with turn buckles on the outside
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/00bcfa17c7454321b5bcc8399ea93fa8.jpg)
A general picture from the outside
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161026/08d7625b65e466d1f2f7e5b682206a1b.jpg)
Post by: grodnoking on October 26, 2016, 08:42:31 AM
I've gotten a few questions about the construction of the succah I posted earlier so here are some pictures of various aspects of its construction.Wow.
How many man hours did that take you?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
Wow.zero. As I had written earlier I hired a guy Doug to build it and extend my deck.
How many man hours did that take you?
Post by: CS1 on October 26, 2016, 10:12:07 AM
zero. As I had written earlier I hired a guy Doug to build it and extend my deck.
exterior photo looks great! Do the curved tops of the walls remain all year? Or are those part of the succah?
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 11:04:08 AM
exterior photo looks great! Do the curved tops of the walls remain all year? Or are those part of the succah?They stay all year. They are there for aesthetic purposes only.
Note how some have a hook on them to hang plants/flowers.
Post by: CS1 on October 26, 2016, 11:11:58 AM
They stay all year. They are there for aesthetic purposes only.
Note how some have a hook on them to hang plants/flowers.
yes, looks very good. Excellent entry-mechanism. You also have working windows and carpeting inside the sukkah. great, comfortable touch!
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 11:21:48 AM
yes, looks very good. Excellent entry-mechanism. You also have working windows and carpeting inside the sukkah. great, comfortable touch!Once the panels were being made specail for me the windows added only the cost of the window itself and the wood to hold it.
The carpeting was nothing to do. I went to Lowes and bought the right amount of outdoor carpeting and unrolled it. The ends which roll up get tacked down with a staple gun.
Post by: username on October 26, 2016, 11:34:16 AM
The carpeting was nothing to do. I went to Lowes and bought the right amount of outdoor carpeting and unrolled it. The ends which roll up get tacked down with a staple gun.Funny story. Went with someone whose succah was about 15-20 years old, and they have a roll of outdoor carpet that they use every year in the succah, and store it in the garage during the year, that needed to be replaced. When we got to the store, the salesperson showed us the options for outdoor carpets, and was explained the differences, and asked us what kind of quality we were looking for. We said that we just were looking to replace what we had, which had lasted over 15 year. You should have seen the shocked look on his face.
We later explained that it was only outside for two weeks out of the year.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 26, 2016, 11:35:48 AM
Once the panels were being made specail for me the windows added only the cost of the window itself and the wood to hold it.You leave the carpet all year round?
The carpeting was nothing to do. I went to Lowes and bought the right amount of outdoor carpeting and unrolled it. The ends which roll up get tacked down with a staple gun.
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 11:41:09 AM
You leave the carpet all year round?No. When we roll it up we pull out the few staples.
Post by: davidmal on October 26, 2016, 11:57:37 AM
No. When we roll it up we pull out the few staples.The sukkah looks marvelous
Very well made
A lot of details
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 12:14:37 PM
The sukkah looks marvelousI can take no credit other than for hiring the right guy to build it and giving him the right instructions. Most which he builds do not have the windows and I specifically had him add them. The lighting I did myself and I designed the way the bottom door panel is held on while he had it getting screwed in to the deck door each year.
Very well made
A lot of details
Post by: Eliyohu on October 26, 2016, 12:21:55 PM
Once the panels were being made specail for me the windows added only the cost of the window itself and the wood to hold it.What type of windows are those and how are they mounted to the panel? Do they open? Depth of the window and wall?
The carpeting was nothing to do. I went to Lowes and bought the right amount of outdoor carpeting and unrolled it. The ends which roll up get tacked down with a staple gun.
Post by: aygart on October 26, 2016, 12:26:52 PM
What type of windows are those and how are they mounted to the panel? Do they open? Depth of the window and wall?They are these or similar for whatever size they are.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/Project-Source-20000-Series-Vinyl-Single-Pane-Single-Strength-Single-Hung-Window-Rough-Opening-18-in-x-24-in-Actual-17-5-in-x-23-5-in/3683812 (https://www.lowes.com/pd/Project-Source-20000-Series-Vinyl-Single-Pane-Single-Strength-Single-Hung-Window-Rough-Opening-18-in-x-24-in-Actual-17-5-in-x-23-5-in/3683812)
Post by: yoruel on June 06, 2017, 02:00:24 PM
What are better roof companies that do this?
does any one have a sliding roof?
Tri state area.
Post by: noturbizniss on August 21, 2017, 10:57:12 AM
what at my options for canvas sukkahs? snap in or the like? any preferred retailers? esrogim.com? sukkahdepot? anyone give discounts for bulk orders?
Post by: incendia on August 22, 2017, 02:07:32 PM
tl;drtry
what at my options for canvas sukkahs? snap in or the like? any preferred retailers? esrogim.com? sukkahdepot? anyone give discounts for bulk orders?
https://www.sukkot.com/
Post by: HowYaDoin on August 31, 2017, 11:14:36 AM
Post by: sguitarist18 on September 18, 2017, 05:24:28 PM
Post by: davidmal on September 25, 2017, 03:41:42 PM
Can anyone with experience update the wiki with pros and cons of the various succah types and companies? Thanks!
I started it.
I suggest leave out companies in cons especially to avoid LH
anyone want to expand it with Companies with Pros go for it
Post by: aygart on September 25, 2017, 04:06:35 PM
I suggest leave out companies in cons especially to avoid LHHow is it LH? Leaving it out sounds like lo saamod al dam reyecho.
Post by: hachover on September 25, 2017, 05:29:15 PM
i have delt eith fiberglass, done it 7 years now. under an hour, including shlepping and sechach
Added some points about fiberglass to the wiki.
TBH, I'm not a fan, mainly because of all the sweltering daytime meals I (and my guests) had to suffer through, while everyone else was perfectly comfortable in their wood succahs. But it is undoubtedly one of the easiest succahs to put up/down and store. Still, if I could easily resell it and recoup most of the cost I would do it.
Post by: aygart on September 25, 2017, 05:39:52 PM
Post by: ushdadude on September 25, 2017, 07:51:12 PM
Added some points about fiberglass to the wiki.
TBH, I'm not a fan, mainly because of all the sweltering daytime meals I (and my guests) had to suffer through, while everyone else was perfectly comfortable in their wood succahs. But it is undoubtedly one of the easiest succahs to put up/down and store. Still, if I could easily resell it and recoup most of the cost I would do it.
re you referring to the faux wood fiberglass or the traditional green ones?
Post by: hachover on September 25, 2017, 07:59:29 PM
re you referring to the faux wood fiberglass or the traditional green ones?
Faux wood. But is there a practicql difference other than cosmetics?
Post by: ushdadude on September 25, 2017, 08:32:07 PM
Faux wood. But is there a practicql difference other than cosmetics?
I would think the faux wood wouldn't be so bad since it is opaque. The green ones are terrible in the sun
Post by: hachover on September 25, 2017, 09:42:40 PM
I would think the faux wood wouldn't be so bad since it is opaque. The green ones are terrible in the sun
Could be that the old green ones are worse, but the opaque ones are pretty bad too IME
Post by: skyguy918 on September 26, 2017, 11:13:31 AM
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 27, 2017, 01:04:54 PM
Post by: TimT on September 27, 2017, 03:22:10 PM
Post by: aygart on September 28, 2017, 09:36:16 AM
What are the differences between the kainus & bamboo mats quality wise & any other difference ?Kainus doesn't hold up in rain as well.
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 28, 2017, 10:58:07 AM
Kainus doesn't hold up in rain as well.+2 gets water logged and moldy. Not suitable for USA
Post by: TimT on September 28, 2017, 11:51:11 AM
Post by: hachover on September 28, 2017, 12:45:33 PM
Then why do people get them ? Are they more mehudar ?
Catchy advertising? Ulesuccosqinu kaines, kaines
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 28, 2017, 02:51:43 PM
Then why do people get them ? Are they more mehudar ?They are mehudar, but not any more mehudar than the bamboo mats made with natural unwoven fibers.
Post by: TimT on September 28, 2017, 03:49:19 PM
They are mehudar, but not any more mehudar than the bamboo mats made with natural unwoven fibers.Are those the bamboo mats being sold out of trucks with a hechsher ?
Post by: aygart on September 28, 2017, 04:35:06 PM
Post by: ushdadude on September 28, 2017, 04:37:11 PM
Post by: churnbabychurn on September 29, 2017, 01:12:35 PM
Kol Torah (R Shlomo Aurbach's yeshiva) used 2x4sNot 2*1?
Post by: ushdadude on September 29, 2017, 01:17:37 PM
Not 2*1?
Maybe. I thought I remember them being bigger. Was a long time ago
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2017, 04:09:34 PM
Post by: TimT on October 03, 2017, 04:11:55 PM
.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171003/2b0b494331f6a4cbc554bdb4ba5d028a.jpg)Is that kosher ?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2017, 04:13:58 PM
Is that kosher ?Why not? I just need to put some shims under the beams for mamid dmamid
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 03, 2017, 07:29:21 PM
Why not? I just need to put some shims under the beams for mamid dmamidSecach is not directly on top of the gud asik.
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2017, 08:15:44 PM
Secach is not directly on top of the gud asik.There is no gud asik being used. All walls reach the top. One uses dofen akuma
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 03, 2017, 08:25:23 PM
There is no gud asik being used. All walls reach the top. One uses dofen akumaWell then that dofen is akum on both top and bottom.
The bottom is at the end of the vehicle, the top portion of the dofen is pulled in, and then it pops out again.
The poskim talk about the porch walls that have a lip (Israeli ones, bottom concrete wall, top bars), this case seems extreme.
Eta, there is definitely a space btwn seats and roof. So we do have the gud/akum combo. Fun
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2017, 10:13:34 PM
Well then that dofen is akum on both top and bottom.The top of the benches is well under the smallest lavud. It never goes more than 4 tfachim further than schach and whether out goes 3 depends on size of the tefach. Where is this discussion about the walls you describe?
The bottom is at the end of the vehicle, the top portion of the dofen is pulled in, and then it pops out again.
The poskim talk about the porch walls that have a lip (Israeli ones, bottom concrete wall, top bars), this case seems extreme.
Eta, there is definitely a space btwn seats and roof. So we do have the gud/akum combo. Fun
Post by: skyguy918 on October 03, 2017, 10:43:42 PM
The top of the benches is well under the smallest lavud. It never goes more than 4 tfachim further than schach and whether out goes 3 depends on size of the tefach. Where is this discussion about the walls you describe?Isn't lavud + dofen akuma a problem as well?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2017, 10:48:18 PM
Isn't lavud + dofen akuma a problem as well?That is a machlokes. PM"G and Bikurei Yaakov day okay but RAk"E and chazon ish machmir but that is when it is against the schach.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 03, 2017, 11:06:49 PM
The top of the benches is well under the smallest lavud. It never goes more than 4 tfachim further than schach and whether out goes 3 depends on size of the tefach. Where is this discussion about the walls you describe?
If the trunk of the van is more than 3 t deep, it would mean that the bottom of the dofen is not lovud to the top half (like by chakak; unless we differentiate based on it being nireah mibachutz 10? [But this is not necessarily true from inside the van].)
Re the porches, Now I'm recalling more, discussion is primarily re the 7*7 size, and whether the bottom thickness of the dofen is memaet, if you can sit on wall etc - all the contemporary Israeli succah seforim discuss..
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 03, 2017, 11:07:41 PM
That is a machlokes. PM"G and Bikurei Yaakov day okay but RAk"E and chazon ish machmir but that is when it is against the schach.Against the secach? Here you are saying lovud from the dofen to the secach possul... to make the halacha of d"a
Has to be lovud to the hechsher?
Post by: aygart on October 03, 2017, 11:14:14 PM
Against the secach? Here you are saying lovud from the dofen to the secach possul... to make the halacha of d"aRAE says the opposite of you
Has to be lovud to the hechsher?
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 03, 2017, 11:14:55 PM
RAE says the opposite of youYeah sound ok
Post by: Tim Doodle on October 03, 2017, 11:28:35 PM
Where is this discussion about the walls you describe?
see piskei tshuvos siman 632 somewhere on seif aleph
Post by: davidmal on October 03, 2017, 11:35:26 PM
.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171003/2b0b494331f6a4cbc554bdb4ba5d028a.jpg)Im so lost why is everyone getting all lumdis
It has 2 side walls and the back wall/ van seats can’t be looked at as less than a doorway.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 12:07:47 AM
see piskei tshuvos siman 632 somewhere on seif alephDon't see anyhting there of relevance.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 12:26:32 AM
Post by: moko on October 04, 2017, 06:08:57 AM
This whole discussion is really not so relevant. There is no dofen akuma at the top at all. It goes less than 4 tfachim out of schach pasul and can likely even eat under it. The question I still need to review is because the roof continues past. Need to go over that aspect.the mg"a brings down to say the din of pesel hayoitzei lechumra. So if the schsch pasul is sticking inide more than 3 tfachim and you have a Shiur of schach pass outside, it might pasul the whole sukkah
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 06:47:12 AM
This whole discussion is really not so relevant. There is no dofen akuma at the top at all. It goes less than 4 tfachim out of schach pasul and can likely even eat under it. The question I still need to review is because the roof continues past. Need to go over that aspect.ok with a wall/seats not reaching the ground?
Post by: AsherO on October 04, 2017, 07:00:11 AM
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 07:00:15 AM
the mg"a brings down to say the din of pesel hayoitzei lechumra. So if the schsch pasul is sticking inide more than 3 tfachim and you have a Shiur of schach pass outside, it might pasul the whole sukkahI don't think it is 3 in even according to RCN. Definitely not according to larger opinions.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
ok with a wall/seats not reaching the ground?They do reach the ground?
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 07:03:19 AM
What about Ruach Metzuyah, won't those panels fall right over?They are hinged to each other in 2 gams. Also clamped. The beams are notched and hold the doors.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 07:21:15 AM
They do reach the ground?No that's a separate panel, not in line of or part of the seats
Post by: Tim Doodle on October 04, 2017, 08:01:08 AM
Don't see anyhting there of relevance.
He brings machloket there in a case where you use a house wall as your third wall, with a roof protruding high above the sukka.
(dofen akuma and chavut rami together)
I thought that's what he meant here:
Well then that dofen is akum on both top and bottom.
The bottom is at the end of the vehicle, the top portion of the dofen is pulled in, and then it pops out again.
The poskim talk about the porch walls that have a lip (Israeli ones, bottom concrete wall, top bars), this case seems extreme.
Eta, there is definitely a space btwn seats and roof. So we do have the gud/akum combo. Fun
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 08:09:27 AM
He brings machloket there in a case where you use a house wall as your third wall, with a roof protruding high above the sukka.That is not the case here
(dofen akuma and chavut rami together)
I thought that's what he meant here:
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 08:09:42 AM
No that's a separate panel, not in line of or part of the seatsSo what
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 09:52:30 AM
So whatIf it's not lovud, how is it a wall??
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 09:58:57 AM
If it's not lovud, how is it a wall??I totally don't understand your question
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 09:59:48 AM
http://din.org.il/2017/09/24/מעקה-המרפסת-האם-מצטרף-לשיעור-הכשר-סוכה/
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
I totally don't understand your questionSo strange. What is complicated about a wall Tha starts in point a, then bends outwards, has a ledge, and then continues upwards again??
Are you familiar with a chakak? Where the wall of a house is less than 10, and the chakak is mashlim, cant have a 3 separation.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 10:10:55 AM
So strange. What is complicated about a wall Tha starts in point a, then bends outwards, has a ledge, and then continues upwards again??But here it is not being mashlim
Are you familiar with a chakak? Where the wall of a house is less than 10, and the chakak is mashlim, cant have a 3 separation.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 01:01:38 PM
But here it is not being mashlimBut gediyim are bokea
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 01:02:06 PM
But gediyim are bokeaNo they are not. It is filled.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 01:03:56 PM
No they are not. It is filled.No it's not filled under the seats
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 01:06:05 PM
No it's not filled under the seatsLook again
Besides that for anything other than the smallest shiur it is lavud
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 01:44:06 PM
Look again? Under the seats it the van floor. Under the van floor is empty space.
Besides that for anything other than the smallest shiur it is lavud
You don't seem to see the issue. Wtvr
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 01:46:46 PM
? Under the seats it the van floor. Under the van floor is empty space.You arew right I don't understand what the issue is. Under the van is also filled in with panels. Do you mean regarding sitting on the area where it goes in? Even for that it is not 2 walls but one which goes out and in. The entire span is less than lavud with larger siurim.
You don't seem to see the issue. Wtvr
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 03:59:09 PM
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 04:19:49 PM
Ur saying the trunk is less than lovud?Yes at larger shiurim but I don't really see why that makes a difference
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 04, 2017, 04:59:59 PM
.... but I don't really see why that makes a difference
I see that
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2017, 05:44:46 PM
Maybe over YT you will think of a different way to explain the issue or maybe a light bulb will go on in my head because I have no idea what the issue is. If you can give any source maybe that would help
I see that
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 12:15:35 AM
From looking further it looks like the issue you are bringing up is the one quoted from RSZ that he was chozer from and the dvar shmuel, kol ramaz, raz pealim, bikurei yaakov and more all assume likula. Even that discussion is only when it is needed for 7x7 and for sitting on the ledge itself. Once the ledge is not needed to make it 7x7 even in the hava amina RSZ assumed liheter.
I see that
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 06:11:09 AM
From looking further it looks like the issue you are bringing up is the one quoted from RSZ that he was chozer from and the dvar shmuel, kol ramaz, raz pealim, bikurei yaakov and more all assume likula. Even that discussion is only when it is needed for 7x7 and for sitting on the ledge itself. Once the ledge is not needed to make it 7x7 even in the hava amina RSZ assumed liheter.Re 7*7 the chazon ish is machmir. Fwiu...
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 06:12:41 AM
From looking further it looks like the issue you are bringing up is the one quoted from RSZ that he was chozer from and the dvar shmuel, kol ramaz, raz pealim, bikurei yaakov and more all assume likula. Even that discussion is only when it is needed for 7x7 and for sitting on the ledge itself. Once the ledge is not needed to make it 7x7 even in the hava amina RSZ assumed liheter.Just so we are absofreakenlutly clear. I made this scetch on chol hamoed.
You can't just dismiss this as non issue without bringing a raaya imho.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/a64a834ab50a6bf7c49dd66044a7db83.jpg)
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
Just so we are absofreakenlutly clear. I made this scetch on chol hamoed.The aforementioned poskim do not agree with you. They do not bother to discuss that aspect and assume that to be okay even though from the discussion it is clearly a part of their case.
You can't just dismiss this as non issue without bringing a raaya imho.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/a64a834ab50a6bf7c49dd66044a7db83.jpg)
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 10:40:20 AM
The aforementioned poskim do not agree with you. They do not bother to discuss that aspect and assume that to be okay even though from the discussion it is clearly a part of their case.No. It's definitely not the case. All of these mirpeset ledges are built out of concrete and there is no tzad of a issue of gediyim bokim.
Personally I can't think of why it can be kosher.
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 10:46:33 AM
No. It's definitely not the case. All of these mirpeset ledges are built out of concrete and there is no tzad of a issue of gediyim bokim.You are wrong. Did you look at the poskim inside? The earlier ones are definitely not discussing Israeli porches and quite explicitly say a case with boards. RSZ is also clearly discussing such a case when you read his discussion even if that aspect is not the typical Israeli case. Shevet Halevi is about thicker then thinner and is quite justified in saying that in such a case the discussion makes no sense at all.
Personally I can't think of why it can be kosher.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 11:03:57 AM
You are wrong. Did you look at the poskim inside? The earlier ones are definitely not discussing Israeli porches and quite explicitly say a case with boards. RSZ is also clearly discussing such a case when you read his discussion even if that aspect is not the typical Israeli case. Shevet Halevi is about thicker then thinner and is quite justified in saying that in such a case the discussion makes no sense at all.K wtvr. Maybe I'll look sometime... Since you seem to just be inferring that it must be fine, I'm not taking your word for it..
Meanwhile, can you present a clear explanation of how exactly this dofen is not possul due to it not reaching the ground? How is the bottom part mitztaref? It is possul period.
From chakak on daf 4 in succah it is clear that you need lovud to join two parts of a wall.
(By shabbos tos there presents a sevara that it is to be moneya regel harabim. Not by succa.)
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 11:12:33 AM
K wtvr. Maybe I'll look sometime... Since you seem to just be inferring that it must be fine, I'm not taking your word for it..Difference is that there you have no wall of 10 without that.
Meanwhile, can you present a clear explanation of how exactly this dofen is not possul due to it not reaching the ground? How is the bottom part mitztaref? It is possul period.
From chakak on daf 4 in succah it is clear that you need lovud to join two parts of a wall.
(By shabbos tos there presents a sevara that it is to be moneya regel harabim. Not by succa.)
RSZ even mentions bokim but only regarding the ledge itself.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 11:32:40 AM
Difference is that there you have no wall of 10 without that.-1
RSZ even mentions bokim but only regarding the ledge itself.
a "wall" of 10 that is 4 off the ground is no wall at all.
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 11:33:53 AM
-1Untrue. It is called mechitza tluya.
a "wall" of 10 that is 4 off the ground is no wall at all.
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 11:41:59 AM
Untrue. It is called mechitza tluya.Your kidding right? A mechitza teluya is possul for a succa.
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 11:45:03 AM
Your kidding right? A mechitza teluya is possul for a succa.You misunderstood. It is not something which is not a wall at all. It is one but is tluya. There are 2 ways to look at it either the latform is a floor and it starts there or the whole thing is wall and is just bent.
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 11:50:52 AM
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 12:35:33 PM
You misunderstood. It is not something which is not a wall at all. It is one but is tluya. There are 2 ways to look at it either the latform is a floor and it starts there or the whole thing is wall and is just bent.Finally you are actually trying to make an aurgument. (It's like squeezing blood outta stone sometimes...).
Your argument that the platform is a floor works according to most of the poskim to be mashlim 7*7. I don't agree that it automatically negates the issue of mechitza teluya. (It is a floor for internal spacial considerations. It is not the floor under the wall to make it not teluya.).
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 12:39:21 PM
Finally you are actually trying to make an aurgument. (It's like squeezing blood outta stone sometimes...).The two work together like rosh agalah. The main point is the poskim are very clear that they do not consider it to be a concern. Go through them.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/3548e20eaba8f702707181bac9b46033.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/68d8aa5b4841226468dbcf1697bce9e0.jpg)
Your argument that the platform is a floor works according to most of the poskim to be mashlim 7*7. I don't agree that it automatically negates the issue of mechitza teluya. (It is a floor for internal spacial considerations. It is not the floor under the wall to make it not teluya.).
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 01:52:31 PM
The two work together like rosh agalah. The main point is the poskim are very clear that they do not consider it to be a concern. Go through them.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/3548e20eaba8f702707181bac9b46033.jpg)(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/68d8aa5b4841226468dbcf1697bce9e0.jpg)Lol did you read what you actually posted? His first sevara is that it's not domeh because the wall is thick etc like I told you ^(not our case).
Then in brackets he gives a whole sevara lehokel in our case which I don't think is so poshut at all).
Eta, his rayos are very very shvach.
Eta2 looks like he is being mechadesh a new halacha lemoshe misiny of karka akuma. Meh.
Also, who is the writer of the bottom part?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171008/789b43855d576df75f96f1b59d06f22f.jpg)
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 01:59:17 PM
The two work together like rosh agalah. The main point is the poskim are very clear that they do not consider it to be a concern. Go through themThis is sooo not a rosh agala... The reason why there is no "issue" of mechitza teluya by rosh agala is not merely because the gediyim are not bokeya into the succah; it is because the mechitza of the succa is NOT teluya at all. It is perfect and whole.
Incomparable to this case.
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 02:22:16 PM
Lol did you read what you actually posted? His first sevara is that it's not domeh because the wall is thick etc like I told you ^(not our case).Bottom is same author as top.
Then in brackets he gives a whole sevara lehokel in our case which I don't think is so poshut at all).
Eta, his rayos are very very shvach.
Eta2 looks like he is being mechadesh a new halacha lemoshe misiny of karka akuma. Meh.
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The real point is the earlier poskim who don't even feel the need to discuss it and take it as poshut
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 08, 2017, 02:25:33 PM
Bottom is same author as top.No again, as you can see in the sefer quoted, the normal case, that is taken as a given, is when the wall is thick and is kulo sosum outside.
The real point is the earlier poskim who don't even feel the need to discuss it and take it as poshut
Our case is very unique, and I don't think we can just assume it's good without something clearer, or at least a good Raya. All these poskim are busy with 7*7 issues. They are not addressing dofen problems.
Since when do we say "well it's not discussed so must be fine"??
Post by: aygart on October 08, 2017, 02:40:05 PM
No again, as you can see in the sefer quoted, the normal case, that is taken as a given, is when the wall is thick and is kulo sosum outside.Did you look at the sources? They very explicitly discuss a daf this way and that. One is discussing beds with one board inside and one out around the sides. You should look at their cases before deciding what they are discussing. RSZ brings in bokim how is there bokim from the a wall getting thinner?
Our case is very unique, and I don't think we can just assume it's good without something clearer, or at least a good Raya. All these poskim are busy with 7*7 issues. They are not addressing dofen problems.
Since when do we say "well it's not discussed so must be fine"??
Post by: TimT on October 10, 2017, 01:48:53 PM
Kainus doesn't hold up in rain as well.
+2 gets water logged and moldy. Not suitable for USA@aygart @churnbabychurn Which is the kainus, the flat sticks or the mini round bamboo sticks ?
Post by: aygart on October 10, 2017, 01:59:08 PM
@aygart @churnbabychurn Which is the kainus, the flat sticks or the mini round bamboo sticks ?They are round but not bamboo they are reeds
Post by: TimT on October 10, 2017, 02:04:10 PM
They are round but not bamboo they are reedsSo the flat ones are better ? Cause mine got all moldy yesterday
Post by: aygart on October 10, 2017, 02:05:48 PM
So the flat ones are better ? Cause mine got all moldy yesterdayNone are great
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 10, 2017, 11:07:59 PM
Did you look at the sources? They very explicitly discuss a daf this way and that. One is discussing beds with one board inside and one out around the sides. You should look at their cases before deciding what they are discussing. RSZ brings in bokim how is there bokim from the a wall getting thinner?Knew I'd seen this.. anyway, here is RSZ brought down in back of sefer hasucca.
Let's analyze how his pesak applies to our case.
According to RSZ hav'a Amina the dofen is teluya and possul. (See the הערה there.)
According to his maskana, to be machshir we would need to call the van floor "karka hasuka"; but here, it's not even under secach, it's under a dofen akum that we can't sit under! And it's not בנוי ומחובר לקרקע etc
So I would still say it's not kosher...
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Post by: churnbabychurn on October 10, 2017, 11:16:00 PM
Post by: aygart on October 10, 2017, 11:19:42 PM
Knew I'd seen this.. anyway, here is RSZ brought down in back of sefer hasucca.Except that even in the hava amina he writes that if it is 7x7 it is fine. Also, there is no dofen akuma on the schach. It is less than 4 tfachim of pasul which you can sit under.
Let's analyze how his pesak applies to our case.
According to RSZ hav'a Amina the dofen is teluya and possul. (See the הערה there.)
According to his maskana, to be machshir we would need to call the van floor "karka hasuka"; but here, it's not even under secach, it's under a dofen akum that we can't sit under! And it's not בנוי ומחובר לקרקע etc
So I would still say it's not kosher...
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Post by: churnbabychurn on October 10, 2017, 11:22:37 PM
Except that even in the hava amina he writes that if it is 7x7 it is fine. Also, there is no dofen akuma on the schach. It is less than 4 tfachim of pasul which you can sit under.No. Read it again. He explicitly says that the width and length is 7*7 without the step.
Post by: aygart on October 10, 2017, 11:23:38 PM
No. Read it again. He explicitly says that the width and length is 7*7 without the step.Correct. That was exactly my point?
Post by: churnbabychurn on October 10, 2017, 11:23:43 PM
No. Read it again. He explicitly says that the width and length is 7*7 without the step.His whole issue is the mechitza teluya.. please!
Post by: aygart on October 10, 2017, 11:24:52 PM
His whole issue is the mechitza teluya.. please!So how can he write that it is good if it is 7x7?
Post by: aygart on October 10, 2017, 11:27:13 PM
Post by: damaxer91 on September 02, 2018, 01:09:25 PM
Size is around 16x20
Post by: ushdadude on September 02, 2018, 01:13:36 PM
Anyone have a good idea for turning a pergola into a sukkah? Looking for walls specifically that would be nice and breathable.Wood lattice?
Size is around 16x20
Post by: damaxer91 on September 02, 2018, 01:14:56 PM
Wood lattice?
Have a link for something good?
Post by: ushdadude on September 02, 2018, 01:19:31 PM
Have a link for something good?No firsthand experience. Sorry
Post by: ruru1000 on September 02, 2018, 01:37:17 PM
Post by: moko on September 02, 2018, 02:25:25 PM
Have a link for something good?https://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-0-2-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-Wicker-Vinyl-Classic-Diamond-Lattice-73003479/202847970 ($31.69) or white vinyl https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gridworx-0-125-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-White-Privacy-Plastic-Lattice-2-Pack-64871/303172754 ($82.95)
Post by: ckmk47 on September 02, 2018, 02:56:56 PM
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-0-2-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-Wicker-Vinyl-Classic-Diamond-Lattice-73003479/202847970 (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Veranda-0-2-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-Wicker-Vinyl-Classic-Diamond-Lattice-73003479/202847970) ($31.69) or white vinyl https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gridworx-0-125-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-White-Privacy-Plastic-Lattice-2-Pack-64871/303172754 (https://www.homedepot.com/p/Gridworx-0-125-in-x-48-in-x-8-ft-White-Privacy-Plastic-Lattice-2-Pack-64871/303172754) ($82.95)Although the lattice is possibly easier and nicer looking, you could make a cheaper, more labor intensive "wall" by just screwing 1x2 woods vertically each less than 9.6 inches apart around the pergola.
Post by: zevi on September 10, 2019, 11:53:39 AM
https://www.megasukkah.com/
Post by: myi on September 16, 2019, 04:12:49 PM
Must mention the code MENDEL at point of purchase*
Post by: talmid chuchem on September 16, 2019, 07:43:53 PM
Any thoughts on this “Mega Sukkah”My thoughts is that they should make their website lighter, takes me very long to load in mobile
https://www.megasukkah.com/
Post by: db23 on September 17, 2019, 11:06:56 AM
Post by: Netster on September 18, 2019, 06:52:42 PM
http://diysukkah.twinkel.me/
Post by: Luvisrael on September 18, 2019, 07:15:16 PM
Cheap diy Sukkah - no mark up!make sure not to put schach directly on wood. Rather, lay a beam on top of the metal frame, only than laying the schach.
http://diysukkah.twinkel.me/
Post by: Luvisrael on September 18, 2019, 07:16:14 PM
Post by: Meno on September 22, 2019, 11:58:35 AM
Looking for ideas for panels. Doesn't need to be structural, just want it to look nice, and not too expensive. Don't want to use canvas or anything like that.
Post by: Luvisrael on September 22, 2019, 12:21:58 PM
Im building a sukkah on my deck. Basically it will be a frame made of 4x4 posts and 2x4 cross beams, with some type of panels fastened to them.i thought of doing lattuce with maybe cloth over?
Looking for ideas for panels. Doesn't need to be structural, just want it to look nice, and not too expensive. Don't want to use canvas or anything like that.
Post by: ushdadude on September 22, 2019, 12:39:41 PM
i thought of doing lattuce with maybe cloth over?Might be worth getting a grommet tool. Not expensive and can attach cloth much easier
Post by: Luvisrael on September 22, 2019, 12:49:05 PM
Might be worth getting a grommet tool. Not expensive and can attach cloth much easiereasier than what? U can staple gun it to the top and bottom beams
Post by: Dan on September 22, 2019, 12:54:29 PM
Post by: Luvisrael on September 22, 2019, 12:56:15 PM
My Sukkah is made from Sunbrella panels attached to the pergola deck. It's great!sounds nice! DDO sukkah hop?
Post by: Dan on September 22, 2019, 01:05:53 PM
sounds nice! DDO sukkah hop?Will have a Simchas beis hashoeiva farbrengen iy"h. Will post in the CLE DO thread in the near future.
Post by: ushdadude on September 22, 2019, 07:28:53 PM
easier than what? U can staple gun it to the top and bottom beamsCan't remove that cleanly. Grommet you screw on and off
Post by: aygart on September 23, 2019, 10:02:06 AM
Im building a sukkah on my deck. Basically it will be a frame made of 4x4 posts and 2x4 cross beams, with some type of panels fastened to them.Luan
Looking for ideas for panels. Doesn't need to be structural, just want it to look nice, and not too expensive. Don't want to use canvas or anything like that.
Post by: ReadsTheT&C on September 23, 2019, 10:10:32 AM
Post by: Meno on September 23, 2019, 10:19:33 AM
Luan
Is this different from birch plywood?
Post by: aygart on September 23, 2019, 11:21:54 AM
Is this different from birch plywood?Petty similar but typically cheaper and lighter
Post by: grodnoking on September 23, 2019, 11:38:11 AM
My parents have been using the same fiberglass sukkah for 30 years, and they bought it used! When they expanded they bought 2 more panels. They even use one of those half green and half yellow ones, which is even older (got it from my grandparents when they no longer needed it). Today you can still buy panels to fit fiberglass sukkahs.
And they use real bamboo stick, which is a real pain, but those are also going on a few decades.
Post by: Yehudaa on September 23, 2019, 12:24:06 PM
How long do all these DIY sukkas, and wood sukkahs last?
My parents have been using the same fiberglass sukkah for 30 years, and they bought it used! When they expanded they bought 2 more panels. They even use one of those half green and half yellow ones, which is even older (got it from my grandparents when they no longer needed it). Today you can still buy panels to fit fiberglass sukkahs.
And they use real bamboo stick, which is a real pain, but those are also going on a few decades.
My parents have a wood DIY sukkah that they got used ~25 years ago, unknown how old it was at that point. The boards can use replacing now, but I'd say it looked fine until recently. They've painted the inside of the boards a couple times over the years to keep it looking nice
How much do basic fiberglass boards cost?
Post by: skyguy918 on September 23, 2019, 12:30:32 PM
How long do all these DIY sukkas, and wood sukkahs last?If you can DIY it, you can likely repair/replace panels as necessary fairly cheaply. Besides, a lot of the time DIY'ing it is about maximizing you space and customizing in ways you might not be able to with pre-made systems. And I say that as someone who grew up in an old school Leiter's fiberglass sukkah (corrugated/wavy green and white panels, went together with nuts and bolts, etc.). While my parents have since upgraded to a very nice Sukkah Depot panel sukkah, my sister uses the old one now.
My parents have been using the same fiberglass sukkah for 30 years, and they bought it used! When they expanded they bought 2 more panels. They even use one of those half green and half yellow ones, which is even older (got it from my grandparents when they no longer needed it). Today you can still buy panels to fit fiberglass sukkahs.
And they use real bamboo stick, which is a real pain, but those are also going on a few decades.
Post by: Ergel on September 23, 2019, 12:37:07 PM
My parents have a wood DIY sukkah that they got used ~25 years ago, unknown how old it was at that point. The boards can use replacing now, but I'd say it looked fine until recently. They've painted the inside of the boards a couple times over the years to keep it looking niceIn Canada, it was about $300 CAD per 2 feet IIRC
How much do basic fiberglass boards cost?
Post by: Meno on September 23, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Petty similar but typically cheaper and lighter
Does it hold up well in the rain? Do I have to paint it?
Post by: grodnoking on September 23, 2019, 01:08:09 PM
In Canada, it was about $300 CAD per 2 feet IIRCMuch cheaper in America I believe. Dont know exact pricing.
Post by: Yehudaa on September 23, 2019, 01:08:26 PM
In Canada, it was about $300 CAD per 2 feet IIRC
Wow. A 2-foot DIY wooden panel would cost a small fraction of that.
What are the advantages of fiberglass, aside from (maybe) a longer lifespan?
Post by: grodnoking on September 23, 2019, 01:23:07 PM
Wow. A 2-foot DIY wooden panel would cost a small fraction of that.Much lighter
What are the advantages of fiberglass, aside from (maybe) a longer lifespan?
Much easier to put up (nowadays it just clicks together)
Much longer life
Dont have to be as careful during storage
Post by: aygart on September 23, 2019, 03:58:49 PM
Does it hold up well in the rain? Do I have to paint it?Any wood will need to be treated to withstand water.
Post by: aygart on September 23, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
Much lighterDisadvantage-much less sturdy and more likely to cave in if it gets windy. This gets worse and worse as it gets larger.
Much easier to put up (nowadays it just clicks together)
Much longer life
Dont have to be as careful during storage
How easy it is to put up depends somewhat on the location.
Post by: grodnoking on September 23, 2019, 04:06:24 PM
Disadvantage-much less sturdy and more likely to cave in if it gets windy. This gets worse and worse as it gets larger.
How easy it is to put up depends somewhat on the location.
If you put up all the proper clips and beams you will not have an issue with sturdiness. You can put a cap on the bottom, in the middle (slides down from the top), and on top (which also holds beams to keep it straight). Never had an issue with it being not sturdy.
All the panels slide/click in, from the inside, so even without any space behind it (like I have) you have no issue because there is no work to be done behind the panel. Unlike wood where you have to go behind it to screw/zip tie the wood together (unless you want the ugly part foward).
Post by: aygart on September 23, 2019, 04:14:05 PM
Not my experience both with having used and having seen on both counts.
If you put up all the proper clips and beams you will not have an issue with sturdiness. You can put a cap on the bottom, in the middle (slides down from the top), and on top (which also holds beams to keep it straight). Never had an issue with it being not sturdy.
All the panels slide/click in, from the inside, so even without any space behind it (like I have) you have no issue because there is no work to be done behind the panel. Unlike wood where you have to go behind it to screw/zip tie the wood together (unless you want the ugly part foward).
Post by: Meno on September 23, 2019, 07:35:53 PM
Any wood will need to be treated to withstand water.
Any suggestions for this?
Post by: aygart on September 24, 2019, 10:30:16 AM
Any suggestions for this?Deck (outdoor) paint or stain.
Post by: jj1000 on September 24, 2019, 10:50:13 AM
Anyone ever put visqueen down under the sukka?
Post by: aygart on September 24, 2019, 10:54:49 AM
Any hack to having a sukkah on grass and not doing any damage to the grass?Not so simple to eat on the grass on shabbos or yom tov.
Anyone ever put visqueen down under the sukka?
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2019, 10:58:09 AM
Any hack to having a sukkah on grass and not doing any damage to the grass?
Anyone ever put visqueen down under the sukka?
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used to start a religious discussion.ftfy
Post by: Luvisrael on September 24, 2019, 11:07:13 AM
Any hack to having a sukkah on grass and not doing any damage to the grass?prob impossible to have zero damage. Fake turf?
Anyone ever put visqueen down under the sukka?
Post by: Yard sale on September 24, 2019, 12:12:12 PM
ftfy
Well you can just eat on your deck and forget the religious stuff. Putting up a succah kind of gets into religion. Eating on the grass on sukkos is a potential major halachic problem and putting down material to solve the issue can damage the grass which is the op’s issue.
Post by: aygart on September 24, 2019, 01:02:30 PM
ftfyA discussion about a sukka is somewhat intrinsically a halachic discussion as pointed out by @Yard sale
Post by: Dan on September 24, 2019, 01:04:57 PM
A discussion about a sukka is somewhat intrinsically a halachic discussion as pointed out by @Yard saleOf course. I kid.
Post by: AsherO on September 26, 2019, 02:06:20 PM
A discussion about a sukka is somewhat intrinsically a halachic discussion as pointed out by @Yard sale
But we already made a Siyum on Meseches Shabbos and are currently learning Meseches Sukkah :P
Post by: jj1000 on October 04, 2019, 10:35:06 AM
Looking to buy or make the cheapest possible 10x20 sukkah.
It's just for 1 year use and then throwing it away basically.
Found this on Amazon for $679 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ILOH9YG/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Can I do better?
Also the sukkah is to seat 19 people, does 10x20 sound like the right size?
Post by: Meno on October 04, 2019, 10:56:53 AM
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
Looking to buy or make the cheapest possible 10x20 sukkah.
It's just for 1 year use and then throwing it away basically.
Found this on Amazon for $679 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ILOH9YG/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Can I do better?
Also the sukkah is to seat 19 people, does 10x20 sound like the right size?
That looks super flimsy for a 10x20. You might end up throwing it away after 1 day.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 10:57:49 AM
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.But is it kosher?
Looking to buy or make the cheapest possible 10x20 sukkah.
It's just for 1 year use and then throwing it away basically.
Found this on Amazon for $679 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ILOH9YG/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Can I do better?
Also the sukkah is to seat 19 people, does 10x20 sound like the right size?
If it is for just one yesr then buy some 1/2s or 2x3s from HD to make a frame including lavud up to 10 tfachim and then get some cheap fabric.
Post by: Yehudaa on October 04, 2019, 10:59:55 AM
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
Looking to buy or make the cheapest possible 10x20 sukkah.
It's just for 1 year use and then throwing it away basically.
Found this on Amazon for $679 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ILOH9YG/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Can I do better?
Also the sukkah is to seat 19 people, does 10x20 sound like the right size?
If you're willing to put in the extra time to DIY then I think you can do better, especially if it's just a 1-year thing. If you're just looking for 3 sides and no door (like the one you linked) I imagine you can build a simple frame of 2×4's and plywood for half that price.
That price on Amazon doesn't include schach btw.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 11:04:50 AM
If you're willing to put in the extra time to DIY then I think you can do better, especially if it's just a 1-year thing. If you're just looking for 3 sides and no door (like the one you linked) I imagine you can build a simple frame of 2×4's and plywood for half that price.I would go with a cheap paneling over plywood.
That price on Amazon doesn't include schach btw.
Post by: jj1000 on October 04, 2019, 11:06:28 AM
But is it kosher?Suggestions for a cheap fabric?
If it is for just one yesr then buy some 1/2s or 2x3s from HD to make a frame including lavud up to 10 tfachim and then get some cheap fabric.
Anything that'll let air through it that is kosher? https://www.homedepot.com/s/tarp?NCNI-5 I assume a tarp will work, but will likely be very hot down here in FL with a tarp as a wall.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 11:10:26 AM
Suggestions for a cheap fabric?According to many poskim (most? all?) the fabric is never really kosher as the wall.
Anything that'll let air through it that is kosher? https://www.homedepot.com/s/tarp?NCNI-5
Get a plain thin fabric from Hobby Lobby or Michaels etc.
Or you can use latice from HD
Post by: jj1000 on October 04, 2019, 11:12:30 AM
According to many poskim (most? all?) the fabric is never really kosher as the wall.Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?
Get a plain thin fabric from Hobby Lobby or Michaels etc.
Or you can use latice from HD
Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...
Post by: Meno on October 04, 2019, 11:16:48 AM
Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?
Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...
Make lavud straps
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 11:23:37 AM
Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?
Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...
But is it kosher?
If it is for just one yesr then buy some 1/2s or 2x3s from HD to make a frame including lavud up to 10 tfachim and then get some cheap fabric.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 04, 2019, 11:58:46 AM
Wait, so a tarp is or isn't kosher?
Fwiw I do want to make a kosher sukkah...
The lattice idea is great for FL, but it might be a little more involved and more costly. You have to build out a frame either way, likely out of dimensional lumber.
If you do the lattice, they sell 4x8 sheets, so you basically need to make a frame where the vertical studs are 4' apart, and then put in however much additional framing/backing (possibly out of smaller dimensional lumber) within each 4x8 space to make it as sturdy as you'd like - but you don't need to build for lavud as the lattice helps form the wall.
If you do tarps (or any other fabric), you should plan for the frame you build to be the kosher wall. You might be able to place your studs farther apart (say 60" or 80" apart instead of 48"). You can then run 3 strips of 1x2 material horizontally from stud to stud, starting from the bottom of the frame, each just under 3 tefachim above the last. This will give you less than 3 tefachim between each strip for lavud, and a total of more than 10 tefachim from ground to the last strip (including the dimensions of the 3 strips of 1x2 material placed flat so that the 3 2x's add to an additional 4.5") for a kosher wall. At that point whatever you hang on the walls is for privacy/wind/shade etc, not for the kashrus of the sukkah.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 12:06:27 PM
The lattice idea is great for FL, but it might be a little more involved and more costly. You have to build out a frame either way, likely out of dimensional lumber.With lattice you do not need to make the frame as sturdy in itself since the lattice can contribute to that.
If you do the lattice, they sell 4x8 sheets, so you basically need to make a frame where the vertical studs are 4' apart, and then put in however much additional framing/backing (possibly out of smaller dimensional lumber) within each 4x8 space to make it as sturdy as you'd like - but you don't need to build for lavud as the lattice helps form the wall.
If you do tarps (or any other fabric), you should plan for the frame you build to be the kosher wall. You might be able to place your studs farther apart (say 60" or 80" apart instead of 48"). You can then run 3 strips of 1x2 material horizontally from stud to stud, starting from the bottom of the frame, each just under 3 tefachim above the last. This will give you less than 3 tefachim between each strip for lavud, and a total of more than 10 tefachim from ground to the last strip (including the dimensions of the 3 strips of 1x2 material placed flat so that the 3 2x's add to an additional 4.5") for a kosher wall. At that point whatever you hang on the walls is for privacy/wind/shade etc, not for the kashrus of the sukkah.
By adding one extra strip across you can get all opinions of the size of a tefach included.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 04, 2019, 12:22:04 PM
With lattice you do not need to make the frame as sturdy in itself since the lattice can contribute to that.I hear. Don't have experience with lattice myself, but I would imagine that on a 20' wall, you need more than just 4' on center framing with lattice screwed on.
By adding one extra strip across you can get all opinions of the size of a tefach included.
By adding one extra strip across you can get all opinions of the size of a tefach included.Interesting. Does anyone actually pasken this way l'maaseh (ie to make sure your straps are lavud even acc to R' Chaim Noeh, while your wall is 10 tefachim even acc to Chazon Ish)? I know it wouldn't be a raya, but do the canvas sukkah's come with 3 strips or 4?
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 12:26:40 PM
I hear. Don't have experience with lattice myself, but I would imagine that on a 20' wall, you need more than just 4' on center framing with lattice screwed on.Interesting. Does anyone actually pasken this way l'maaseh (ie to make sure your straps are lavud even acc to R' Chaim Noeh, while your wall is 10 tefachim even acc to Chazon Ish)? I know it wouldn't be a raya, but do the canvas sukkah's come with 3 strips or 4?You would need more than just the center, but a box around the lattice can be enough. With fabrice you need more crossbeams to keep the stability of the frame.
Post by: ExGingi on October 04, 2019, 01:15:58 PM
But is it kosher?
If it is for just one yesr then buy some 1/2s or 2x3s from HD to make a frame including lavud up to 10 tfachim and then get some cheap fabric.
Even if it's for many years. My sukkah walls all seem to be tarp, but none of that is relied upon for the Kashrus of the sukkah, those are there only לצניעותא and for some protection from the elements. It is actually the steel fencing surrounding my deck that makes it Kosher.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 02:00:42 PM
Even if it's for many years. My sukkah walls all seem to be tarp, but none of that is relied upon for the Kashrus of the sukkah, those are there only לצניעותא and for some protection from the elements. It is actually the steel fencing surrounding my deck that makes it Kosher.Steel fencing sounds like overkill for one year.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 04, 2019, 02:05:19 PM
Even if it's for many years. My sukkah walls all seem to be tarp, but none of that is relied upon for the Kashrus of the sukkah, those are there only לצניעותא and for some protection from the elements. It is actually the steel fencing surrounding my deck that makes it Kosher.I think he means going with cheaper framing and fabric/tarp materials, not the design.
Mine is the same (wood though, not steel). Deck was built by a previous owner with high, tightly packed wood slat walls, and then the frum people we bought it from slapped on a permanent frame for the schach/hanging the tarps.
Post by: ExGingi on October 04, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
Steel fencing sounds like overkill for one year.
Definitely.
I was referring to something like this:
Mine is the same (wood though, not steel). Deck was built by a previous owner with high, tightly packed wood slat walls, and then the frum people we bought it from slapped on a permanent frame for the schach/hanging the tarps.
Though mine might not be that tightly packed, but definitely qualifies as a kosher wall from a Halachic standpoint.
Post by: aygart on October 04, 2019, 02:32:48 PM
Definitely.Yes pre-existing walls can sometimes make things easier.
I was referring to something like this:
Though mine might not be that tightly packed, but definitely qualifies as a kosher wall from a Halachic standpoint.
Post by: grodnoking on October 04, 2019, 03:16:51 PM
Sorry, didn't read the whole thread.
Looking to buy or make the cheapest possible 10x20 sukkah.
It's just for 1 year use and then throwing it away basically.
Found this on Amazon for $679 https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01ILOH9YG/?tag=cl03f-20&psc=1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Can I do better?
Also the sukkah is to seat 19 people, does 10x20 sound like the right size?
Cheap diy Sukkah - no mark up!
http://diysukkah.twinkel.me/
Post by: Meno on October 07, 2019, 03:41:07 PM
Ideas for tracks?
ETA: Maybe some simple drawer slides?
Post by: koplonko on October 15, 2019, 11:12:01 PM
Make lavud strapsany ideas for easy assembly? im looking for something that i can buy and put on without too much work/tools (sukka is already up)
Post by: moko on October 15, 2019, 11:13:38 PM
any ideas for easy assembly? im looking for something that i can buy and put on without too much work/tools (sukka is already up)Ratchet straps
Post by: Muhammad on October 16, 2019, 04:39:04 AM
Thinking of making sliding windows out of plexiglass.the window frame doesn’t come with tracks?
Ideas for tracks?
ETA: Maybe some simple drawer slides?
Post by: stooges44 on October 18, 2019, 12:45:37 PM
B'h my sukkah is still standing but the scach keeps going all over. I fixed it twice and now again it's almost completely off even after having been tied down.
So many people around me are scrambling to get their sukkah back up today and sadly others have said it is now bent beyond repair.
Post by: aygart on October 18, 2019, 12:58:06 PM
I don't recall a sukkos like this...ever.Interesting because I remember a whole bunch just over the last 15-20 years (besides when hurricane gloria was a few days before sukkos)
B'h my sukkah is still standing but the scach keeps going all over. I fixed it twice and now again it's almost completely off even after having been tied down.
So many people around me are scrambling to get their sukkah back up today and sadly others have said it is now bent beyond repair.
Post by: ExGingi on October 18, 2019, 01:17:38 PM
Interesting because I remember a whole bunch just over the last 15-20 years (besides when hurricane gloria was a few days before sukkos)Same here. I remember several windy Sukkos (only the last 3-4 years weren't IINM). Schach mats are a good idea as long as there's no wind. They are a terrible idea when windy conditions exist.
Post by: TimT on October 18, 2019, 01:52:18 PM
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2019, 12:38:46 PM
I tied down 2x4’s on top of the mats & it held perfectly, even as my sukkah flew away.+1. And if you don't want to store extra 2x4's, AYLOR about tying the mats down directly with something that's kosher for schach (leaves from a pasul lulav, jute or hemp string/twine, etc). I had no issues with the sukkah flying away, since it's my deck. But some of the bungee cords I use to hang tarps for privacy were stretched out - gotta replace a bunch of them for next year.
Post by: ExGingi on October 20, 2019, 12:55:06 PM
+1. And if you don't want to store extra 2x4's, AYLOR about tying the mats down directly with something that's kosher for schach (leaves from a pasul lulav, jute or hemp string/twine, etc). I had no issues with the sukkah flying away, since it's my deck. But some of the bungee cords I use to hang tarps for privacy were stretched out - gotta replace a bunch of them for next year.IME tying down mats could result in ripped mats if the winds get strong enough. Mats are a terrible idea in windy conditions, as they act like a sail.
Post by: skyguy918 on October 20, 2019, 01:01:44 PM
IME tying down mats could result in ripped mats if the winds get strong enough. Mats are a terrible idea in windy conditions, as they act like a sail.I've never had that, no matter how strong the winds. First of all, the mats should be placed perpendicular to the predominant direction of the wind. And second of all, they should be tied off in a lot of spots - at a minimum, tie off every 18 in at most around the edges of the mats (including on the 'interior' where 2 mats touch).
Post by: aygart on October 20, 2019, 01:02:14 PM
IME tying down mats could result in ripped mats if the winds get strong enough. Mats are a terrible idea in windy conditions, as they act like a sail.This is similar to what o tell people about their eruv. Make sure the string is weaker than the pole. You would rather fix a snapped string than a bent pole.
Post by: Definitions on October 24, 2019, 02:09:13 PM
Second year using these bamboo mats. I hated the fabric covers that they came in. It's nearly impossible to get it back in without snagging. Was thinking of getting an 8" pvc pipe as a holder but it's way too expensive.
So I used Saran wrap on the end and it slides in perfectly
(https://i.ibb.co/QFwg7w8/20191024-134934.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD0vy08)
Post by: grodnoking on October 24, 2019, 02:31:14 PM
Might help someone else.Smart
Second year using these bamboo mats. I hated the fabric covers that they came in. It's nearly impossible to get it back in without snagging. Was thinking of getting an 8" pvc pipe as a holder but it's way too expensive.
So I used Saran wrap on the end and it slides in perfectly
(https://i.ibb.co/QFwg7w8/20191024-134934.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MD0vy08)
Post by: stooges44 on October 24, 2019, 04:51:39 PM
Might help someone else.
Second year using these bamboo mats. I hated the fabric covers that they came in. It's nearly impossible to get it back in without snagging. Was thinking of getting an 8" pvc pipe as a holder but it's way too expensive.
So I used Saran wrap on the end and it slides in perfectly
Genius!! I will try later thanks!!
Post by: username on October 24, 2019, 06:44:42 PM
Post by: ZCN on September 24, 2020, 10:23:59 AM
Post by: skyguy918 on September 24, 2020, 10:40:43 AM
I've gotten a few questions about the construction of the succah I posted earlier so here are some pictures of various aspects of its construction.@aygart Thanks for the inspiration!
Had my deck rebuilt due to minor fire damage. Told the contractor to make the railing 'posts' be full height so they can support the panels and beams, and had him space them ~4ft from each other. Then I bought 4x8 sheets of 5mm plywood underlayment cut in half at Lowes. Unfortunately the guy didn't do a very precise job on the railing/frame, so I had to go back and cut each panel to size for each specific spot, and I also had to attach each panel to the face of the frame instead of being inset (like aygart's). I sprayed the wing clips with a protective clear coat and used exterior rated screws. I also bought some very bright and weatherproof LED strips (visible in the pic), which I had the contractor wire into an existing exterior floodlight, and replaced the switch for that light with a timer switch, so I can control the lights over YT.
I still have to go back and apply a finish to weatherize the panels. I might also go back and add vents and/or windows, but probably not this year. All in all a lot of work to get set up, but should provide be a really quick and easy system for years to come.
(https://i.imgur.com/6yP4GLz.jpg)
Post by: aygart on September 24, 2020, 11:51:49 AM
@aygart Thanks for the inspiration!
Had my deck rebuilt due to minor fire damage. Told the contractor to make the railing 'posts' be full height so they can support the panels and beams, and had him space them ~4ft from each other. Then I bought 4x8 sheets of 5mm plywood underlayment cut in half at Lowes. Unfortunately the guy didn't do a very precise job on the railing/frame, so I had to go back and cut each panel to size for each specific spot, and I also had to attach each panel to the face of the frame instead of being inset (like aygart's). I sprayed the wing clips with a protective clear coat and used exterior rated screws. I also bought some very bright and weatherproof LED strips (visible in the pic), which I had the contractor wire into an existing exterior floodlight, and replaced the switch for that light with a timer switch, so I can control the lights over YT.
I still have to go back and apply a finish to weatherize the panels. I might also go back and add vents and/or windows, but probably not this year. All in all a lot of work to get set up, but should provide be a really quick and easy system for years to come.
Nice! Can you post a link to the LED strips?
One suggestion I have is to fill in between the beams. The way it is now you will have a gap under the schech allowing the sun to shine through there and potentially making it uncomfortable for people on the opposite side.
Post by: how on September 24, 2020, 12:12:43 PM
@aygart Thanks for the inspiration!Can you please post a pic of what it looks like from the other side?
Had my deck rebuilt due to minor fire damage. Told the contractor to make the railing 'posts' be full height so they can support the panels and beams, and had him space them ~4ft from each other. Then I bought 4x8 sheets of 5mm plywood underlayment cut in half at Lowes. Unfortunately the guy didn't do a very precise job on the railing/frame, so I had to go back and cut each panel to size for each specific spot, and I also had to attach each panel to the face of the frame instead of being inset (like aygart's). I sprayed the wing clips with a protective clear coat and used exterior rated screws. I also bought some very bright and weatherproof LED strips (visible in the pic), which I had the contractor wire into an existing exterior floodlight, and replaced the switch for that light with a timer switch, so I can control the lights over YT.
I still have to go back and apply a finish to weatherize the panels. I might also go back and add vents and/or windows, but probably not this year. All in all a lot of work to get set up, but should provide be a really quick and easy system for years to come.
(https://i.imgur.com/6yP4GLz.jpg)
I wanted to do this but with a frame that i can slide the panels in
Post by: skyguy918 on September 24, 2020, 12:50:37 PM
Nice! Can you post a link to the LED strips?https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/flexible-led-strip-lights/5m-white-led-strip-light-highlight-series-tape-light-1224v-ip67-waterproof/5602/12525/
One suggestion I have is to fill in between the beams. The way it is now you will have a gap under the schech allowing the sun to shine through there and potentially making it uncomfortable for people on the opposite side.
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/power-supplies/led-switching-power-supply-diodedrive-series-60w-150w-enclosed-power-supply-12v/5676/12363/
Bought two 16.4' reels and cut/spliced it into three almost 11' lengths, which each run directly back to the power supply mounted on the central beam right by the house. I also bought a bunch of small accessories to keep it waterproof at all the spots I cut and spliced, and some extra wire to bridge from the ends of the runs back to the power supply. They come with has adhesive backing (peel and stick), but I wasn't sure how well that would work, so I also bought screw-in mounting clips (they were out of stock so I got similar size on Amazon).
This company has very good customer service. If you want a different setup and need help figuring out which of their products will work together for what you're trying to accomplish call or chat them - they're very helpful.
All in, it was right around $200. You can find for less, but I wanted to be confident in it lasting outdoors and for it to be very bright - this totals 8-8.5k lumens for a space around 16'x16'.
(https://i.imgur.com/aa90UVf.jpg)
Post by: skyguy918 on September 24, 2020, 12:56:44 PM
Can you please post a pic of what it looks like from the other side?See the pic above for what it looks like without the panels. I originally intended to slide the panels in, but everything was too far out of square to make it worthwhile. For panels inset into the frame, see aygart's pics here:
I wanted to do this but with a frame that i can slide the panels in
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=9477.msg1579379#msg1579379
Post by: skyguy918 on September 24, 2020, 12:58:49 PM
One suggestion I have is to fill in between the beams. The way it is now you will have a gap under the schech allowing the sun to shine through there and potentially making it uncomfortable for people on the opposite side.Forgot to address this. I believe I have enough length on my mats to have them draped over that extra 2" on either side. If not, I should have plenty of cutoffs from the panels that I can use to fill the spaces.
Post by: good sam on September 30, 2020, 04:48:47 PM
Post by: @mike on October 01, 2020, 12:58:37 PM
Post by: Tomorrow on October 01, 2020, 01:43:14 PM
Any suggestions for a schach mat that smells moldy?Diluted bleach spray.
Or diluted vinegar.
Or lemon oil.
Post by: @mike on October 01, 2020, 02:15:35 PM
Diluted bleach spray.
Or diluted vinegar.
Or lemon oil.
Thanks!
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 06:16:41 PM
Post by: yesitsme on November 08, 2020, 06:22:29 PM
BTW now is the time if you don't want to pay through the roof