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Title: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2018, 06:53:50 PM
Positioning flight for Antarctica on Chanuka:

UA option: 60K miles.
UA CLE-EWR 5:31pm-7:09pm B73G First Class
2:46 connection
UA EWR-EZE 9:55pm-10:50am B764 Business Class seat 1D

Or
AA option: 57.5K miles.
AA CLE-MIA 1:45pm-4:43pm RJ145 Coach
6:02 connection
AA MIA-EZE 10:45pm-9:51am 77W Business Class seat 3A

UA Pros:
-WiFi and first class on both flights
-Polaris club kosher wine, food, shower, PJs
-Longer longhaul flight

UA cons:
-Need to light menora in CLE at 4:02pm (Plag hamincha, a b'dieved time but still can light with bracha) and hope there's no traffic in order to make a 5:31pm flight with checked luggage. There is a later flight CLE-EWR if I miss it, but it's an RJ-145 and has a tight connection. Unless there's someway to light in EWR or the Polaris Club daybed room :D
-767 seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour after AA

AA Pros:
-77W seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour before UA
-Can use the connection time to light menora at JJs

AA cons:
-3 hour flight in coach without wifi
-Shorter longhaul flight
-Longer total travel time
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Ergel on August 07, 2018, 06:58:10 PM
To me this is purely a halachik question for your posek
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 07, 2018, 06:59:30 PM
What makes you think you can light in a place you dont live in?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2018, 06:59:47 PM
To me this is purely a halachik question for your posek
I'll ask tonight, but all else being equal, what would you do?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on August 07, 2018, 07:01:58 PM
Don't forget the biggest detail: I will be on that MIA-EZE flight.

Now if that's a pro or a con, I don't know  ;D
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ushdadude on August 07, 2018, 07:04:08 PM
Don't forget the biggest detail: I will be on that MIA-EZE flight.

Now if that's a pro or a con, I don't know  ;D
Depends if you have enough luggage allowance
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: as2 on August 07, 2018, 07:32:04 PM
I'd go with AA. I feel like the cons aren't a huge deal, and assuming all is good with lighting, it will be less stressful.
I'd just make sure I don't get the seat in front of SF
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Iz on August 07, 2018, 09:37:53 PM
I don't see any heter to light in MIA, and Plag is a real b'di'eved, but why not have bnei bayis/shliach light for you at home?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 07, 2018, 09:48:43 PM
What makes you think you can light in a place you dont live in?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=10713.0
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on August 07, 2018, 11:43:34 PM
Positioning flight for Antarctica on Chanuka:

UA option: 60K miles.
UA CLE-EWR 5:31pm-7:09pm B73G First Class
2:46 connection
UA EWR-EZE 9:55pm-10:50am B764 Business Class seat 1D

Or
AA option: 57.5K miles.
AA CLE-MIA 1:45pm-4:43pm RJ145 Coach
6:02 connection
AA MIA-EZE 10:45pm-9:51am 77W Business Class seat 3A

UA Pros:
-WiFi and first class on both flights
-Polaris club kosher wine, food, shower, PJs
-Longer longhaul flight

UA cons:
-Need to light menora in CLE at 4:02pm (Plag hamincha, a b'dieved time but still can light with bracha) and hope there's no traffic in order to make a 5:31pm flight with checked luggage. There is a later flight CLE-EWR if I miss it, but it's an RJ-145 and has a tight connection. Unless there's someway to light in EWR or the Polaris Club daybed room :D
-767 seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour after AA

AA Pros:
-77W seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour before UA
-Can use the connection time to light menora at JJs

AA cons:
-3 hour flight in coach without wifi
-Shorter longhaul flight
-Longer total travel time
I'd go with AA. I'd also add a big pro for the AA option is that you don't connect in the northeast in December.
Depends if you have enough luggage allowance
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on August 07, 2018, 11:47:33 PM
Depends if you have enough luggage allowance

ROFL
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on August 08, 2018, 12:17:19 AM
Would go with AA, much better seat.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: myi on August 08, 2018, 01:49:13 AM
UA Pros:
-WiFi and first class on both flights
   *I'm sure you can manage without wifi for 3 hours.
-Polaris club kosher wine, food, shower, PJs
    *Kosher wine at jj house, jjs home, jjs home, bring your own.
-Longer longhaul flight
    *No biggy an hour to two difference.

AA cons:
-3 hour flight in coach without wifi
 *Oy that should be the worst of your problems.
-Shorter longhaul flight
  *Worth it to go visit jj.
-Longer total travel time
   1hr difference.

  You can light candles or at least be יוצא with jj, spending chanakah with your brother, a good shower, good supper, and your pros, and of course something fishy, but no statues for aa so hoping your baggage is fine without stautes.


 Lastly have a safe flight on which ever one you chose.
   
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on August 08, 2018, 01:49:35 AM
Would go with AA, much better seat.
that's what counts, no?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: myi on August 08, 2018, 01:52:51 AM
that's what counts, no?
That's a nice additive, but who wants to feel like hes on a pressure cooker that has to check in and past security and all in 1hr-30min.
  He can nicely go on aa as it seems to be a better option and saves 2.5k  ;).
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mmgfarb on August 08, 2018, 05:53:15 AM
Positioning flight for Antarctica on Chanuka:

UA option: 60K miles.
UA CLE-EWR 5:31pm-7:09pm B73G First Class
2:46 connection
UA EWR-EZE 9:55pm-10:50am B764 Business Class seat 1D

Or
AA option: 57.5K miles.
AA CLE-MIA 1:45pm-4:43pm RJ145 Coach
6:02 connection
AA MIA-EZE 10:45pm-9:51am 77W Business Class seat 3A

UA Pros:
-WiFi and first class on both flights
-Polaris club kosher wine, food, shower, PJs
-Longer longhaul flight

UA cons:
-Need to light menora in CLE at 4:02pm (Plag hamincha, a b'dieved time but still can light with bracha) and hope there's no traffic in order to make a 5:31pm flight with checked luggage. There is a later flight CLE-EWR if I miss it, but it's an RJ-145 and has a tight connection. Unless there's someway to light in EWR or the Polaris Club daybed room :D
-767 seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour after AA

AA Pros:
-77W seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour before UA
-Can use the connection time to light menora at JJs

AA cons:
-3 hour flight in coach without wifi
-Shorter longhaul flight
-Longer total travel time
Halachic shaila aside, I'd go to with AA.
Being GS you would still worry about making it to CLE with enough time to check bags and make the flight? They wouldn't hold it for you?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2018, 08:09:38 AM
I could probably call in a GS favor to have them print the bag tags for me.

Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Ergel on August 08, 2018, 09:00:50 AM
All else being equal, probably AA, flight is still long enough for a night's rest. Long connection is saved by being able to leave the airport, see your brother and eat dinner. Better seat
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on August 08, 2018, 09:04:16 AM
For various reasons mentioned. I'd say it's a no brainer to go with AA.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2018, 09:06:51 AM
To me this is purely a halachik question for your posek
And the answer is that it's preferable to light and then eat at JJs.
AA it is.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2018, 09:08:45 AM
The fun part of this was getting that CLE-MIA flight added despite there being no saver award space for that leg.
Took 4 HUCAs for that to happen :)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mmgfarb on August 08, 2018, 09:56:41 AM
The fun part of this was getting that CLE-MIA flight added despite there being no saver award space for that leg.
Took 4 HUCAs for that to happen :)
How exactly did you swing that?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on August 08, 2018, 11:51:12 AM
Don't forget the biggest detail: I will be on that MIA-EZE flight.

Now if that's a pro or a con, I don't know  ;D

Guess the pros overweighed the con :D
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2018, 11:52:32 AM
How exactly did you swing that?
Had to break a marriage.
Interestingly the first couple marriages I tried to break were too strong, so I had to hunt down a weaker marriage.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mmgfarb on August 08, 2018, 11:53:48 AM
Had to break a marriage.
Interestingly the first couple marriages I tried to break were too strong, so I had to hunt down a weaker marriage.
It's so unfortunate when marriages break apart. If only we knew what city had the highest divorce rate.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on August 08, 2018, 11:53:53 AM
Had to break a marriage.
Interestingly the first couple marriages I tried to break were too strong, so I had to hunt down a weaker marriage.

Lol ;)

Seen tons of married flights with AA lately.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: @Yehuda on August 08, 2018, 11:55:53 AM
No way to leave the night before and add some shower class or Squites or Qsuites into this?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 08, 2018, 11:56:11 AM
It's so unfortunate when marriages break apart. If only we knew what city had the highest divorce rate.
A lack of basic necessities can often times lead to divorce.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mmgfarb on August 08, 2018, 12:00:13 PM
A lack of basic necessities can often times lead to divorce.
Lol, is this turning into the FD thread?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on August 08, 2018, 12:00:41 PM
Had to break a marriage.
Interestingly the first couple marriages I tried to break were too strong, so I had to hunt down a weaker marriage.

So is that your future career? Divorce counselor?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: yelped on August 08, 2018, 12:12:01 PM
So is that your future career? Divorce counselor?
Wrong thread. ;)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: myi on August 08, 2018, 07:58:29 PM
And the answer is that it's preferable to light and then eat at JJs.
AA it is.
Well done good choice.
 Tell jj to start cooking and the red carpet out. ;)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: 12HRS on August 09, 2018, 07:53:11 AM
Well done good choice.
 Tell jj to start cooking and the red carpet out. ;)

why would JJ cook when they can go out to eat as a biz expense
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2018, 08:16:58 AM
why would JJ cook when they can go out to eat as a biz expense

And the answer is that it's preferable to light and then eat at JJs.
AA it is.

Probably need to establish some semblance of kvius (if only kvius seudah) to be able to make a brocha on chanukah candles there.  Also need to stay next to the candles at least 30 minutes.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 09, 2018, 09:00:26 AM
Probably need to establish some semblance of kvius (if only kvius seudah) to be able to make a brocha on chanukah candles there.  Also need to stay next to the candles at least 30 minutes.
Indeed.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2018, 09:07:28 AM
Indeed.
So does that mean you'll actually be washing and benching there with ועל הניסים? Or is eating without washing also ok?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 09, 2018, 09:13:07 AM
I didn't get into the specifics yet, but right now this question is back in the air as the Rov didn't realize I was flying solo with my family staying at home.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on August 09, 2018, 09:35:09 AM
I didn't get into the specifics yet, but right now this question is back in the air as the Rov didn't realize I was flying solo with my family staying at home.
So two days yt?  ;)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: jj1000 on August 09, 2018, 10:11:19 AM
Tell jj to start cooking and the red carpet out. ;)
Already peeling potatoes ;)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: gingyguy on August 09, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
Already peeling potatoes ;)
i think you got the wrong idea... how about you start marinating the meat!
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: jj1000 on August 09, 2018, 10:31:02 AM
i think you got the wrong idea... how about you start marinating the meat!
Think Chanuka...
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: gingyguy on August 09, 2018, 10:40:37 AM
Think Chanuka...
lol
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 11, 2018, 09:37:10 PM
I didn't get into the specifics yet, but right now this question is back in the air as the Rov didn't realize I was flying solo with my family staying at home.
Back to the UA flight.
Better to light with a bracha after plag hamincha with the family at home than at JJs without family.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2018, 05:48:12 PM
Do I buy both flights in case of NYC weather and eat the $150 AA redeposit fee if there are no issues?
Hmm...
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on August 12, 2018, 10:29:54 PM
How about positioning from somewhere else, that might work better for your family (while you are away at work) and for you?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2018, 10:34:52 PM
How about positioning from somewhere else, that might work better for your family (while you are away at work) and for you?
No place is easier for the family than CLE.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: myi on August 13, 2018, 12:43:55 AM
Back to the UA flight.
Better to light with a bracha after plag hamincha with the family at home than at JJs without family.
Wow very impressive family comes before anything.

Already peeling potatoes ;)
It seems like I will be heading your way for those extra potatoes you peeled, just freeze them till i make it there.  ;)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ushdadude on August 13, 2018, 10:34:45 AM
Wow very impressive family comes before anything.
well....before most things..not a trip to Antarctica though ;D
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mochjas on August 29, 2018, 02:04:20 PM
Now that @Dan is finished we should turn this into the what flight should I take master thread.

I'll go:

Im flying from EWR-DTW for an NBA game

There is a 2 PM flight and a 3 PM flight

Both are 10K UA

Pros of the 2 PM:
First class is completely sold out (all other flights that week dont have more than 1 seat missing) so Im thinking The team booked first class for their staff maybe or some people who cant make it on the team flight and this could be a good opportunity to get a hook up

Cons: will be tough to leave work that early to make the flight and no first class seat for me

3 PM Pros:
Most likely will get the first class seat and have more time at work (yes for me thats a PRO)

Cons: Miss out on possible Hook up/ celebrity sighting
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on August 29, 2018, 02:30:41 PM
3pm.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: eliteflyer on August 29, 2018, 03:21:37 PM
Positioning flight for Antarctica on Chanuka:

UA option: 60K miles.
UA CLE-EWR 5:31pm-7:09pm B73G First Class
2:46 connection
UA EWR-EZE 9:55pm-10:50am B764 Business Class seat 1D

Or
AA option: 57.5K miles.
AA CLE-MIA 1:45pm-4:43pm RJ145 Coach
6:02 connection
AA MIA-EZE 10:45pm-9:51am 77W Business Class seat 3A

UA Pros:
-WiFi and first class on both flights
-Polaris club kosher wine, food, shower, PJs
-Longer longhaul flight

UA cons:
-Need to light menora in CLE at 4:02pm (Plag hamincha, a b'dieved time but still can light with bracha) and hope there's no traffic in order to make a 5:31pm flight with checked luggage. There is a later flight CLE-EWR if I miss it, but it's an RJ-145 and has a tight connection. Unless there's someway to light in EWR or the Polaris Club daybed room :D
-767 seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour after AA

AA Pros:
-77W seat
-Arrives into EZE an hour before UA
-Can use the connection time to light menora at JJs

AA cons:
-3 hour flight in coach without wifi
-Shorter longhaul flight
-Longer total travel time

Don't know if it changes the analysis, but there's also F space open on AA 931 (MIA-EZE 10:45pm-9:51am) on Dec. 6th.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on August 29, 2018, 03:27:12 PM
Don't know if it changes the analysis, but there's also F space open on AA 931 (MIA-EZE 10:45pm-9:51am) on Dec. 6th.
Doesn't seem like F is worth the premium on the 77W.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: eliteflyer on August 29, 2018, 03:54:33 PM
Doesn't seem like F is worth the premium on the 77W.
That's what I told the shviger.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: whYME on August 29, 2018, 04:03:54 PM
we should turn this into the what flight should I take master thread.
Or the #firstWorldProblems thread (https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji13.png)
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 08, 2018, 11:01:55 AM
Option 1:
UA EZE-EWR 9:00p-5:50a B764 J

Option 2:
UA EZE-IAH 10:20p-5:45a B772 J
2:30 connection
UA IAH-LGA 8:15a-12:34p A320 F

Option 3:
UA EZE-IAH 10:20p-5:45a B772 J
1:40 connection
UA IAH-EWR 7:25a-11:44a B772 J ("F")

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Option 1 pros: Direct flight. Arrives earliest, by far. Direct aisle access and bulkhead available.
Option 1 cons: B764 seat is quite lousy, especially for someone of my height. Not sure I'll be able to sleep at all.

Option 2 pros: B772 has a way better and roomier seat. Slightly later departure allows me to head to a restaurant for dinner in EZE.
Option 2 cons: Connecting flight - arrival in IAH is the same time as Option 1 arrives in EWR. Will have a seatmate, so with I'll climb or will be climbed over. Need to do the customs and rechecking dance in IAH. 3 hours in an A320 is just not that enticing. Arrives LGA, which is less convenient for me than EWR. I arrive home around 2:30 before Shabbos, which is risky (especially in the winter).

Option 3 pros: Arrive earlier, around 3:30 to Shabbos. B777 > A320.
Option 3 cons: IAH connection is quite tight for customs and rechecking. Still not a ton of time before Shabbos.

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I think it boils down to this: is a way better bed worth the hassle and late Friday arrival? I must say I'm leaning towards Option 1.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 08, 2018, 11:08:27 AM
Option 1:
UA EZE-EWR 9:00p-5:50a B764 J

Option 2:
UA EZE-IAH 10:20p-5:45a B772 J
2:30 connection
UA IAH-LGA 8:15a-12:34p A320 F

Option 3:
UA EZE-IAH 10:20p-5:45a B772 J
1:40 connection
UA IAH-EWR 7:25a-11:44a B772 J ("F")

-------

Option 1 pros: Direct flight. Arrives earliest, by far. Direct aisle access and bulkhead available.
Option 1 cons: B764 seat is quite lousy, especially for someone of my height. Not sure I'll be able to sleep at all.

Option 2 pros: B772 has a way better and roomier seat. Slightly later departure allows me to head to a restaurant for dinner in EZE.
Option 2 cons: Connecting flight - arrival in IAH is the same time as Option 1 arrives in EWR. Will have a seatmate, so with I'll climb or will be climbed over. Need to do the customs and rechecking dance in IAH. 3 hours in an A320 is just not that enticing. Arrives LGA, which is less convenient for me than EWR. I arrive home around 2:30 before Shabbos, which is risky (especially in the winter).

Option 3 pros: Arrive earlier, around 3:30 to Shabbos. B777 > A320.
Option 3 cons: IAH connection is quite tight for customs and rechecking. Still not a ton of time before Shabbos.

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I think it boils down to this: is a way better bed worth the hassle and late Friday arrival? I must say I'm leaning towards Option 1.

I like 3.
How is it 3:30 to Shabbos?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 08, 2018, 11:10:17 AM
I like 3.
How is it 3:30 to Shabbos?

Takes at least an hour from landing till I get home, and Shabbos is at 4:15.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 08, 2018, 11:11:26 AM
Takes at least an hour from landing till I get home, and Shabbos is at 4:15.
Eh, that's all part of the cheshbon. landing 5:15 before candlelighting is fine IMHO.
Better int'l seat, great domestic seat, 1:40 connection is 100% fine with GE, no brainer given that you're not flying with kids.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 08, 2018, 11:19:11 AM
Option 4: Fly to YUL and take boat all the way down

You mean YQY :P

In any case, this is for the return.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on October 08, 2018, 11:25:11 AM
Option 1 or 3.

Is the 764 J seat that bad? Have not flown it.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 08, 2018, 11:26:16 AM
Is the 764 J seat that bad? Have not flown it.

Yep, so they say. Short, narrow, and cramped.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 08, 2018, 11:28:43 AM
Option 1 or 3.

Is the 764 J seat that bad? Have not flown it.
It's not that bad, though I'm way shorter than the giant fish. Definitely less spacious than the 772 though.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on October 08, 2018, 11:39:23 AM
I see size now, 764 is 63 and 772 is 66 bed.

IAH not a new airport for you. Though you may have time to check out the Polaris IAH.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 08, 2018, 11:50:06 AM
I see size now, 764 is 63 and 772 is 66 bed.
Hence option 3 being a no brainer for fishy.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: eliteflyer on October 08, 2018, 12:25:44 PM
I say option 1 is best given 1) bias in favor of non-stop flight (even without kids), 2) desire to avoid winter Friday afternoon travel, 3) earlier arrival home and 4) to the extent you're troubled about missing out on dinner in EZE, Asian in EZE closed, so you won't be missing out on that restaurant (and don't you have prepacked meals from the cruise?). If you're concerned about not being able to sleep on the flight, the earlier arrival time gives time to take a nap + you're arriving into Shabbos, which hopefully gives you an opportunity to catch up on sleep.

OTOH, if you take 2 or 3, I think my parents will be on the same flight to IAH.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: efflpetzel on October 09, 2018, 11:49:53 AM
Back to the UA flight.
Better to light with a bracha after plag hamincha with the family at home than at JJs without family.
Why don't you book with SQ for 50k
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: efflpetzel on October 09, 2018, 11:51:13 AM
Option 1:
UA EZE-EWR 9:00p-5:50a B764 J

Option 2:
UA EZE-IAH 10:20p-5:45a B772 J
2:30 connection
UA IAH-LGA 8:15a-12:34p A320 F

Option 3:
UA EZE-IAH 10:20p-5:45a B772 J
1:40 connection
UA IAH-EWR 7:25a-11:44a B772 J ("F")

-------

Option 1 pros: Direct flight. Arrives earliest, by far. Direct aisle access and bulkhead available.
Option 1 cons: B764 seat is quite lousy, especially for someone of my height. Not sure I'll be able to sleep at all.

Option 2 pros: B772 has a way better and roomier seat. Slightly later departure allows me to head to a restaurant for dinner in EZE.
Option 2 cons: Connecting flight - arrival in IAH is the same time as Option 1 arrives in EWR. Will have a seatmate, so with I'll climb or will be climbed over. Need to do the customs and rechecking dance in IAH. 3 hours in an A320 is just not that enticing. Arrives LGA, which is less convenient for me than EWR. I arrive home around 2:30 before Shabbos, which is risky (especially in the winter).

Option 3 pros: Arrive earlier, around 3:30 to Shabbos. B777 > A320.
Option 3 cons: IAH connection is quite tight for customs and rechecking. Still not a ton of time before Shabbos.

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I think it boils down to this: is a way better bed worth the hassle and late Friday arrival? I must say I'm leaning towards Option 1.
Option 1 is a no brainer, the other options are narishkeit.

& why take chances with a friday
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 11:52:55 AM
Why don't you book with SQ for 50k
It was IN class.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 11:59:17 AM
Option 1 is a no brainer, the other options are narishkeit.

& why take chances with a friday
Only a no-brainer for your average Chaim.
There's no way SF fits into the 764 bed.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: efflpetzel on October 09, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
Only a no-brainer for your average Chaim.
There's no way SF fits into the 764 bed.
I stick with my opinion
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 12:21:42 PM
I stick with my opinion
Saying that redeeming for a J bed that won't fit him is a no-brainer because it's nonstop is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 12:58:01 PM
Saying that redeeming for a J bed that won't fit him is a no-brainer because it's nonstop is ridiculous.
I've seen him fit into tighter spaces. Actually, not sure fit is the right word...

Either way, I say option 1 as well considering that it's a (i) busy Friday (ii) during the winter (iii) in NYC and if anything goes (stays?) south he'd be away from his family for the 3'rd Shabbos.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 01:00:16 PM
I've seen him fit into tighter spaces. Actually, not sure fit is the right word...

Either way, I say option 1 as well considering that it's a (i) busy Friday (ii) during the winter (iii) in NYC and if anything goes (stays?) south he'd be away from his family for the 3'rd Shabbos.
What does (i) mean?

FWIW, a flight from EZE-EWR has a much higher probability of cancellation in December than EZE-IAH in case of NYC weather.
From IAH he could fly to alternate airports (PHL, etc) to get home in case of NYC airport issues.

Either way, I'm not saying option 1 isn't arguably better, but it's definitely not a no-brainer for someone that tall.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 09, 2018, 01:02:56 PM
What does (i) mean?

FWIW, a flight from EZE-EWR has a much higher probability of cancellation in December than EZE-IAH in case of NYC weather.
From IAH he could fly to alternate airports (PHL, etc) to get home in case of NYC airport issues.

Or not continue on friday, worst case scenario. But he cant get off mid-flight
ETA:does not make that much sense since EZE-IAH isnt much shorter.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 01:03:58 PM
What does (i) mean?

FWIW, a flight from EZE-EWR has a much higher probability of cancellation in December than EZE-IAH in case of NYC weather.
From IAH he could fly to alternate airports (PHL, etc) to get home in case of NYC airport issues.
Right before the holidays.

He can always fall back on EZE-IAH/PTY etc.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 01:04:20 PM

Or not continue on friday, worst case scenario. But he cant get off mid-flight
There's more than enough leeway on option 3 to not have Shabbos issues.
With either option, weather in NYC will disrupt getting home for Shabbos.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 01:04:54 PM
Right before the holidays.

He can always fall back on EZE-IAH/PTY etc.
Assuming there's space after a cancellation...
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 01:06:18 PM
There's more than enough leeway on option 3 to not have Shabbos issues.
With either option, weather in NYC will disrupt getting home for Shabbos.
Not if the weather kicks in later in the day.

Assuming there's space after a cancellation...
He has Dan with him. Duh.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 09, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Right before the holidays.

He can always fall back on EZE-IAH/PTY etc.
Where did PTY come in?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 01:07:36 PM
He has Dan with him. Duh.
Fly to and from EWR on a Friday? Do I look stupid?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 01:07:52 PM
Where did PTY come in?
Just another *A option.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on October 09, 2018, 01:08:20 PM
I've seen him fit into tighter spaces. Actually, not sure fit is the right word...

Case in point:
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8254/28391868424_dfd891d14d_b.jpg)
(see: https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=65070.msg1592118#msg1592118 for description)

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Either way, I say option 1 as well considering that it's a (i) busy Friday (ii) during the winter (iii) in NYC and if anything goes (stays?) south he'd be away from his family for the 3'rd Shabbos.

It's a tough call. If it were possible, I'd book both, and see how weather is that day. If all seems OK I'd probably go with option 3. Getting home grumpy from a long uncomfortable flight might not be the best kind of Shabbos for the family.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 09, 2018, 01:09:49 PM
Just another *A option.
That's a fallback option? Get on a flight there and stay shabbos?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 01:10:32 PM
Fly to and from EWR on a Friday? Do I look stupid?
Who said anything about flying?

You'll be with him in EZE.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 01:12:09 PM
Who said anything about flying?

You'll be with him in EZE.
I'll be enjoying dinner somewhere in Buenos Aires  ;D
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 01:14:20 PM
That's a fallback option? Get on a flight there and stay shabbos?
Not sure what you're asking, but yeah you can fly EZE-PTY-NYC and get to NYC before Shabbos.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 09, 2018, 01:24:07 PM
Not sure what you're asking, but yeah you can fly EZE-PTY-NYC and get to NYC before Shabbos.

Earliest we can leave EZE is 9pm. Only EZE-USA flights will arrive on time.

EWR, JFK, IAH, MIA, ATL, etc.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mochjas on October 09, 2018, 01:26:16 PM
He has Dan with him. Duh.
stay away from AA then
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 09, 2018, 01:27:24 PM
Earliest we can leave EZE is 9pm. Only EZE-USA flights will arrive on time.

EWR, JFK, IAH, MIA, ATL, etc.
Why not MIA? Great fallback option...
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 09, 2018, 01:28:18 PM
Why not MIA? Great fallback option...

No availability
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 01:28:25 PM
Earliest we can leave EZE is 9pm. Only EZE-USA flights will arrive on time.

EWR, JFK, IAH, MIA, ATL, etc.
Depends how you define "on time".

There's a Copa flight arriving NYC before 1pm.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 09, 2018, 01:30:39 PM
No availability
LATAM too? That's the story with all other options aside from IAH?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 09, 2018, 02:26:21 PM
LATAM too? That's the story with all other options aside from IAH?

No availability anywhere, but worst case UA's standard awards are somewhat tolerable. AA's, not so much.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 09, 2018, 02:27:18 PM
Depends how you define "on time".

There's a Copa flight arriving NYC before 1pm.

I don't see any such flight departing after 9pm.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 02:29:55 PM
I don't see any such flight departing after 9pm.
(https://i.imgur.com/UIV2qax.jpg)

Pro: You can do 2X dinner in EZE  :P
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 09, 2018, 02:32:32 PM

Pro: You can do 2X dinner in EZE  :P

That's why - I wasn't searching for Friday.

Of course the con here is that it's Copa :P
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on October 09, 2018, 02:38:50 PM
That's why - I wasn't searching for Friday.

Of course the con here is that it's Copa :P

So if a 767 won't work, a 737 is the solution!

All we need to round out the experience is a ride in compact Hyundai to/from the airports.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Dan on October 09, 2018, 02:39:13 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/UIV2qax.jpg)

Pro: You can do 2X dinner in EZE  :P
Con: You're in a 737 for 13 hours.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Joe4007 on October 09, 2018, 02:39:53 PM
That's why - I wasn't searching for Friday.

Of course the con here is that it's Copa :P
Yep. Although both of those legs might get the 737 MAX 9 with the lie flat biz seats. No idea on the roll-out timeline though.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on October 09, 2018, 02:41:57 PM
No availability anywhere, but worst case UA's standard awards are somewhat tolerable. AA's, not so much.
Since when is no availability mean you cant make availability ;p
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on October 19, 2018, 05:45:05 PM
Hence option 3 being a no brainer for fishy.

Seems he doesn't mind the 764 - https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44320.msg2000691#msg2000691
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Something Fishy on October 19, 2018, 05:48:41 PM
Seems he doesn't mind the 764 - https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=44320.msg2000691#msg2000691

You wish :P

Sometimes you just take what you can get.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: shapsam on November 27, 2018, 12:31:46 PM
KRK-FRA-EWR LH 747 F, 5 hours connection - perfect for FCT, the only way to book more than 2 weeks out is with 85K LH + $270
Or
KRK-OSL-JFK Norwegian 787 Premium for $500.

I never flew F (although I do have BA F booked).
If I take the Norwegian I save myself the 85K LH for $230 more and still fly pretty comfortably for a day flight, and although I don't know when, hopefully I'll be able to fly LH F in the future, or do I take the LH because I now have the opportunity and וואס איז זיכער איז זיכער?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: yelped on November 27, 2018, 12:35:58 PM
I've seen F with Life miles more than 2 weeks out. Never tried booking though, so no comments if it's phantom or not.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: shapsam on November 27, 2018, 10:06:12 PM
I've seen F with Life miles more than 2 weeks out. Never tried booking though, so no comments if it's phantom or not.
Not showing for me.

Anyone have any thoughts/opinion?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on November 27, 2018, 11:55:16 PM
I've seen F with Life miles more than 2 weeks out. Never tried booking though, so no comments if it's phantom or not.

That was a glitch / deal a few months ago. Its not the standard for it to show to any partners, 15+ days out.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Yaalili on November 27, 2018, 11:57:18 PM
KRK-FRA-EWR LH 747 F, 5 hours connection - perfect for FCT, the only way to book more than 2 weeks out is with 85K LH + $270
Or
KRK-OSL-JFK Norwegian 787 Premium for $500.

I never flew F (although I do have BA F booked).
If I take the Norwegian I save myself the 85K LH for $230 more and still fly pretty comfortably for a day flight, and although I don't know when, hopefully I'll be able to fly LH F in the future, or do I take the LH because I now have the opportunity and וואס איז זיכער איז זיכער?


I would go with what may be the unpopular opinion here - option 2.

Its a very good price for a premium product and the assurance that you have a ticket, instead of having to check within 15 days for *A partners.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2018, 01:22:34 PM
Need to go to TLV sometime in the end of January and planning on booking using LM (I have my return booked on IB via the Avios deal, but didn't really want such a long layover in MAD on both ways).

Since I can't count on UA opening up space for the dates I need, I'm debating between taking LX and TK.

LX has a more convenient departure time out of NY (and right now availability on a preferred date, while TK is only available one day earlier with an early afternoon departure), but I really want to see/experience the new Istanbul airport (and lounge).
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 13, 2018, 01:27:15 PM
Need to go to TLV sometime in the end of January and planning on booking using LM (I have my return booked on IB via the Avios deal, but didn't really want such a long layover in MAD on both ways).

Since I can't count on UA opening up space for the dates I need, I'm debating between taking LX and TK.

LX has a more convenient departure time out of NY (and right now availability on a preferred date, while TK is only available one day earlier with an early afternoon departure), but I really want to see/experience the new Istanbul airport (and lounge).
LX J all the way...?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: nafnaf12 on December 13, 2018, 01:32:31 PM
Need to go to TLV sometime in the end of January and planning on booking using LM (I have my return booked on IB via the Avios deal, but didn't really want such a long layover in MAD on both ways).

Since I can't count on UA opening up space for the dates I need, I'm debating between taking LX and TK.

LX has a more convenient departure time out of NY (and right now availability on a preferred date, while TK is only available one day earlier with an early afternoon departure), but I really want to see/experience the new Istanbul airport (and lounge).
what are your dates? I'm looking at the end of January as well and UA direct is a fortune right now.
Was debating the same.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2018, 01:34:50 PM
LX J all the way...?
Is there any other way?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 13, 2018, 01:35:55 PM
Is there any other way?
Certainly, taking the morning flight from ZRH in the winter.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2018, 01:38:40 PM
Certainly, taking the morning flight from ZRH in the winter.
Not sure what you mean. I'm looking to spend any time in ZRH, this is strictly NYC-TLV, though if things align themselves a certain way, I might not mind spending a day in IST (almost did that on a recent trip, but decided against because we had an infant with us and DW wasn't sure about the weather etc., I actually regret not doing it), but that's not my initial plan. IST is actually one place that is on my bucket list, but I'm not really that focused on bucket lists in my life.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 13, 2018, 01:40:32 PM
Not sure what you mean. I'm looking to spend any time in ZRH, this is strictly NYC-TLV, though if things align themselves a certain way, I might not mind spending a day in IST (almost did that on a recent trip, but decided against because we had an infant with us and DW wasn't sure about the weather etc., I actually regret not doing it), but that's not my initial plan.
I meant to ask if the LX flight was real J all the way to TLV.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 13, 2018, 02:38:14 PM
I meant to ask if the LX flight was real J all the way to TLV.
That's what I thought you asked. So I wasn't sure what you were talking about with morning ZRH flight.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: lubaby on December 13, 2018, 02:44:01 PM
That's what I thought you asked. So I wasn't sure what you were talking about with morning ZRH flight.
The morning flight from ZRH-TLV might(/will) not be real J in the winter. So take that into consideration when choosing flights.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 13, 2018, 02:44:06 PM
That's what I thought you asked. So I wasn't sure what you were talking about with morning ZRH flight.
The morning flight from ZRH-TLV is often replaced with a narrow-body (A319/20) with fake J during the winter.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: aygart on December 14, 2018, 09:40:47 AM
I'm debating taking LX

:o You!?!??!?!?!??
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: nafnaf12 on December 14, 2018, 09:56:31 AM
Being that I am booking a rev ticket.
I will most likely go with LX.
Since the Long hauls are on UA metal which I can upgrade.
TK is a bit cheaper ~$300 but leaves from JFK and longer stop evers
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 14, 2018, 12:12:39 PM
:o You!?!??!?!?!??

One not-so-good experience doesn't mean all experiences were bad. I've learned how to control the firmness of the seat, and which seats to avoid (easier when flying solo).
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: yelped on December 14, 2018, 02:09:06 PM
One not-so-good experience doesn't mean all experiences were bad. I've learned how to control the firmness of the seat, and which seats to avoid (easier when flying solo).
Which seats should I avoid in solo? I booked a family member in LX long haul.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2018, 05:52:19 PM
Which seats should I avoid in solo? I booked a family member in LX long haul.
Solo is easy. Throne seats are best, but any seat that has a wide separator from the aisle is acceptable.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: yelped on December 15, 2018, 07:04:35 PM
Problem is the charge for the throne seats, and any window seat that is closer to the window is reserved for Honor and Senator members...
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: sillypainter on December 15, 2018, 07:09:37 PM
Problem is the charge for the throne seats, and any window seat that is closer to the window is reserved for Honor and Senator members...

IME they don't charge when done by phone.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: yelped on December 15, 2018, 07:41:12 PM
You got lucky. :) I tried twice. First one just repeated whatever said online. The second said it shows as unavailable. If you have any tips on what to say, I would be glad to try again. The main thing the family member is trying to achieve is to sleep, so having a private seat near the window and away from the aisle is a big plus.

ETA: tried again. This rep said she will put in a request and I should check again within 24 hours.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: ExGingi on December 15, 2018, 08:34:52 PM
Problem is the charge for the throne seats, and any window seat that is closer to the window is reserved for Honor and Senator members...

I think it opens up 24 or 48 hours prior to the flight.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on December 15, 2018, 08:35:57 PM
Has anyone had success getting LH to open bulkhead before 24 hours out?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: a good yeshiva bachur on May 16, 2019, 02:06:37 AM
Which flight should I take?

OW from TLV to CDG in real J the two options I have is LX in J (first leg only) on a 777 or TK in J (both segments) on a A330

They're both same mileage rate only difference is the YQ is a little cheaper on TK metal. (any reason why one would be better than the other?)

This is my first time flying in J if that makes a difference...
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: efflpetzel on May 16, 2019, 02:34:47 AM


Which flight should I take?

OW from TLV to CDG in real J the two options I have is LX in J (first leg only) on a 777 or TK in J (both segments) on a A330

They're both same mileage rate only difference is the YQ is a little cheaper on TK metal. (any reason why one would be better than the other?)

This is my first time flying in J if that makes a difference...

Tk 100%, longer lie flat + their amazing new lounge
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: Ploni3 on May 16, 2019, 11:50:22 AM
Need to fly nyc-tlv J. Better in Delta 330 or LY 787? Thnx
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on May 16, 2019, 11:56:17 AM
Need to fly nyc-tlv J. Better in Delta 330 or LY 787? Thnx
LY
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: mochjas on May 16, 2019, 01:09:00 PM
Need to fly nyc-tlv J. Better in Delta 330 or LY 787? Thnx
wrong thread
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on May 20, 2019, 09:03:21 AM
Need to go from TLV-LON.
The ideal flight (BA on an A321) is completely sold out in J, so there is little to no chance of it opening for an award.
Right now I have RJ flight with a 2.45 connection in AMM, 787 for AMM-LHR.
Another option would be to make my entire itinerary F award (AA) and book a not so ideal timed F flight direct which would cost another 45k AA, which doesn't sound right to me.
The real question is if I should hope for that flight to open in J and switch to the that on a 777 with BA direct, as apposed to a RJ with a layover.

BA Pros:
Direct flight.
Get to try a new (horrible) product.
More ideal departure time.
(Use the BA arrival lounge in LHR)

RJ Pros:
4 more hours in London, 4PM-9AM.
Better product for most the trip.

How bad is J on the BA 777, is it worth considering it? Or be happy with RJ?
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: PlatinumGuy on May 20, 2019, 07:48:59 PM
BA will not open, forget about it.
Title: Re: Which Flight Should I Take?
Post by: davidrotts63 on May 21, 2019, 07:25:27 AM
BA will not open, forget about it.
Granted one flight looks like this: F3 A2 J9 C6 D4 R3 I2

But the next one, which F is available on looks like this:
F6 A5 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9

Flight is 5 weeks out.