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Title: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: dealsfan on August 27, 2018, 01:49:02 PM
Looks like there is a price mistake on ElAL from Toronto. Business nonstop $1,579 ow or $2,750 rt.  Booking class R.

Bookable elal.com, priceline, orbitz etc.  Fares valid until June as long R class available.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: mochjas on August 27, 2018, 01:58:09 PM
Seems like this is on the 767 which is angle flat. If you're doing this from NYC it will cost another $200 RT so doesn't seem worth it. You might as well pay $300 more and go non stop on a better plane
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: farmbochur on August 27, 2018, 01:59:30 PM
Cancelable for 24 hours if booked via Chase portal?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: joeb1 on August 27, 2018, 02:05:48 PM
Looks like there is a price mistake on ElAL from Toronto. Business nonstop $1,579 ow or $2,750 rt.  Booking class R.

Bookable elal.com, priceline, orbitz etc.  Fares valid until June as long R class available.

not a mistake on sale and is crap

Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2018, 02:06:52 PM
Not a sale standard M upgradeable fare been around for at least a year
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2018, 02:07:24 PM
Cancelable for 24 hours if booked via Chase portal?
Should be a fully refundable fare even later
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: farmbochur on August 27, 2018, 02:51:06 PM
Seems like this is on the 767 which is angle flat. If you're doing this from NYC it will cost another $200 RT so doesn't seem worth it. You might as well pay $300 more and go non stop on a better plane
Found fare available in June on 787
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: ruv on August 27, 2018, 02:51:41 PM
booked 787-9 RT may 21 - 26. Thank you.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 27, 2018, 03:22:05 PM
Should be a fully refundable fare even later
M would be refundable. Not if it's R
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 27, 2018, 03:24:42 PM
Not a sale standard M upgradeable fare been around for at least a year
Btw, it could be you're getting confused. Generally, R is just an upgrade fare. But on select routes (YYZ included) they have a published business class fare for R too.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 27, 2018, 05:03:17 PM
Btw, it could be you're getting confused. Generally, R is just an upgrade fare. But on select routes (YYZ included) they have a published business class fare for R too.
Itís an M fare with free upgrade into R, hence itís fully refundable
Like fulll fare YBM
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2018, 05:26:32 PM
Why is this not pricing out on LY.com?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 27, 2018, 05:40:22 PM
Itís an M fare with free upgrade into R, hence itís fully refundable
Like fulll fare YBM
You're right. I see that the fare basis is M. Very interesting. Gotta be nuts to book a J fare (nonrefundable) if this is available.

NO NAMES                                                       
 1 LY  32R 04NOV S YYZTLV SS1   545P 1145A  05NOV M /DCLY /E   
SSR DOCS RQRD ON FLIGHTS TO FROM VIA YYZ                       
 2 LY  29R 11NOV S TLVYYZ SS1  1245A  630A /DCLY /E             
SSR DOCS RQRD ON FLIGHTS TO FROM VIA YYZ                       
                                     
WPę                                                             
       BASE FARE      EQUIV AMT  TAXES/FEES/CHARGES    TOTAL   
 1-   CAD3465.00     USD2655.00      76.41XT      USD2731.41ADT
    XT     19.90CA      19.20SQ       2.50RC      26.81IL       
            8.00AP                                             
         3465.00        2655.00      76.41           2731.41TTL
ADT-01  MIPCA                                                   
 YTO LY TLV Q224.70 1094.97LY YTO Q224.70 1094.97NUC2639.34     
 END ROE1.312821                                               
FARE RESTRICTIONS APPLY                                         
VALIDATING CARRIER - LY                                         
BAG ALLOWANCE     -YYZTLV-02P/LY/EACH PIECE UP TO 70 POUNDS/32 
KILOGRAMS AND UP TO 62 LINEAR INCHES/158 LINEAR CENTIMETERS     
BAG ALLOWANCE     -TLVYYZ-02P/LY/EACH PIECE UP TO 70 POUNDS/32 
KILOGRAMS AND UP TO 62 LINEAR INCHES/158 LINEAR CENTIMETERS     
CARRY ON ALLOWANCE                                             
YYZTLV TLVYYZ-02P/LY                                           
01/UP TO 9 POUNDS/4 KILOGRAMS AND UP TO 41 LINEAR INCHES/105 LI
NEAR CENTIMETERS                                               
01/UP TO 35 POUNDS/16 KILOGRAMS AND UP TO 45 LINEAR INCHES/115 á
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    V FARE BASIS     BK    FARE   TRAVEL-TICKET AP  MINMAX  RTG
  1   MIPCA          MáR  2203.00     ----      -    -/12M AT01
PASSENGER TYPE-ADT                 AUTO PRICE-YES               
FROM-YTO TO-TLV    CXR-LY    TVL-04NOV18  RULE-6025 IPRAI/101   
FARE BASIS-MIPCA             SPECIAL FARE  DIS-E   VENDOR-ATP   
FARE TYPE-XAC      RT-2ND LEVEL SUPER/SPECIAL ADVANCE PURCHASE 
CAD  2875.00   MPM  E01SEP17 D-INFINITY   FC-MIPCA  FN-C       
SYSTEM DATES - CREATED 21AUG18/0013  EXPIRES INFINITY           
                                                               
16.PENALTIES                                                   
   CANCELLATIONS                                               
                                                               
     BEFORE DEPARTURE                                           
       CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED.                                 
                                                               
   AFTER DEPARTURE                                             
       CANCELLATIONS PERMITTED FOR CANCEL.                     
         NOTE - TEXT BELOW NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING.       
          REFUND LESS APPLICABLE OW FARE                       á
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: farmbochur on August 27, 2018, 05:40:27 PM
Any decent options for where to credit mileage? All I see is Aerolineas Argentinas (AR) 1,444 miles on wheretocredit.com

Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 27, 2018, 05:53:55 PM
Any decent options for where to credit mileage? All I see is Aerolineas Argentinas (AR) 1,444 miles on wheretocredit.com
QF
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 28, 2018, 08:25:48 AM
Why is tis not pricing out on LY.com?
Because it's a Chinese site. Unless you meant elal.com  ;)
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 28, 2018, 08:26:21 AM
Harhar.
But seriously.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 28, 2018, 08:43:17 AM
Harhar.
But seriously.
Probably a technical issue. The default is probably set to search from J class (LYs lowest business fare) and up and this is R class (and really an M class fare basis as explained above). The best part is that this is FULLY REFUNDABLE, so you can even book for multiple dates (if you don't mind the hold on your cc) if you haven't decided when to fly. It can be a chance for you to try LY's Dreamliner (starting Jan 13)
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: shapsam on August 28, 2018, 08:47:50 AM
Probably a technical issue. The default is probably set to search from J class (LYs lowest business fare) and up and this is R class (and really an M class fare basis as explained above). The best part is that this is FULLY REFUNDABLE, so you can even book for multiple dates (if you don't mind the hold on your cc) if you haven't decided when to fly. It can be a chance for you to try LY's Dreamliner (starting Jan 13)
It upgrades automatically into R right when you buy it?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 28, 2018, 08:49:19 AM
Does not work ex-TLV. Only regular J class (refundable for a fee)

(My 1,000th post? )
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: how on August 28, 2018, 09:30:25 AM
Starting late October YYZ  - TLV on LY (and AC some dates) economy prices out at $740 RT so business class is double the fare. Is this part of the sale?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 28, 2018, 10:16:00 AM
It will also only earn M class points

It upgrades automatically into R right when you buy it?
Yeah

Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: shapsam on August 28, 2018, 10:26:33 AM
How much is M class from NYC?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 28, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
I think more but it anyways it doesnt upgrade. Itís a YYZ deal.

Doesnít really pay from NY bc you can usually get superior TK for around $1700/ow $3000/rt
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 30, 2018, 04:11:05 PM
@Dan, did you book anything on LY? Still can't wait for a DDMS trip report on El Al
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2018, 04:11:55 PM
@Dan, did you book anything on LY? Still can't wait for a DDMS trip report on El Al
AC J looks so much better, especially for someone who only eats mehadrin.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 30, 2018, 04:17:11 PM


especially for someone who only eats mehadrin.

Ask @chaikel
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2018, 04:20:17 PM

Ask @Chaikel
The TRs here make it look like the same KSML, no?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: shapsam on August 30, 2018, 04:55:56 PM
AC J looks so much better, especially for someone who only eats mehadrin.
For example?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 30, 2018, 05:16:57 PM
Iíve flown both multiple times and prefer Elal bc the AC seats are a bit claustrophobic, but most prefer AC.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2018, 05:17:31 PM
Iíve flown both multiple times and prefer Elal bc the AC seats is a bit claustrophobic, but most prefer AC.
Everyone I've spoken to has the said the opposite.
You like the Polaris style more than reverse herringbone?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 30, 2018, 05:31:58 PM
Never flown Polaris.

I know Iím in the minority on this one, but as long as I can get a seat in the middle 2 on Elal thatís better for me. I prefer the spacious feeling to the privacy and seat angle.

I can understand why most prefer AC.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: PlatinumGuy on August 30, 2018, 05:33:49 PM
Anyhow Elal is switching to a 787 soon which is definitely better
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2018, 05:34:30 PM
Anyhow Elal is switching to a 787 soon which is definitely better
The LY 787 is the same as the UA Polaris config, though it's narrower on a 787 than a 777. Why is it definitely better than AC's 787 reverse herringbone?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: yandmk on August 30, 2018, 06:35:10 PM
Bottom line, if you're contemplating a trip to IL in the next year (after Jan 13), LY is probably the way to go.
1) Your readers are far more anticipating an LY trip report than an AC TR
2) These LY fares are FULLY refundable (unless PL charges their own fee - Expedia doesn't AFAIK), while the AC fares have a 600 CAD refund penalty.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: shapsam on August 30, 2018, 06:44:32 PM
2) These LY fares are FULLY refundable (unless PL charges their own fee - Expedia doesn't AFAIK), while the AC fares have a 600 CAD refund penalty.
+1
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on August 30, 2018, 07:27:37 PM
Bottom line, if you're contemplating a trip to IL in the next year
Nope.
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Ergel on August 30, 2018, 08:09:21 PM
Fare is only valid originating in YYZ, correct?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: farmbochur on June 18, 2019, 10:47:18 PM
QF
:(
your shviggs sees the same thing
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on June 18, 2019, 10:51:17 PM
:(
your shviggs sees the same thing

What class?
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: farmbochur on June 18, 2019, 11:05:59 PM
What class?

Looks like there is a price mistake on ElAL from Toronto. Business nonstop $1,579 ow or $2,750 rt.  Booking class R.

Bookable elal.com, priceline, orbitz etc.  Fares valid until June as long R class available.

Apparently R class
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Dan on June 18, 2019, 11:44:04 PM
Apparently R class
Looks like R class gets zilch :(
Title: Re: YYZ - TLV business on ELAL $1,579 ow $2,750 rt
Post by: Baglach on June 19, 2019, 01:45:56 AM
Looks like R class gets zilch :(
With elal if you book R on YYZ route you get points for M. As its essentially M just with a Free upgrade, ticket rules are same as M