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Title: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: peroneustertius on November 08, 2018, 06:09:10 PM
Hello All,
I recently got a Ring doorbell but realized today that even if I turn off the motion alerts, the device will still record motion and will turn on when someone approaches it.  The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app.  Does anyone know of any easier ways to turn off motion detection that would allow me to put it on a schedule rather than having to remember to turn it off every shabbos?  TIA
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: bubbles on November 08, 2018, 06:10:45 PM
Install a smart relay that will shut the power to the doorbell?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: peroneustertius on November 08, 2018, 06:19:21 PM
Install a smart relay that will shut the power to the doorbell?
Ok, thank you.  How do I go about doing that?  What should I buy?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 08, 2018, 07:38:30 PM
Hello All,
I recently got a Ring doorbell but realized today that even if I turn off the motion alerts, the device will still record motion and will turn on when someone approaches it.  The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app.  Does anyone know of any easier ways to turn off motion detection that would allow me to put it on a schedule rather than having to remember to turn it off every shabbos?  TIA
I came to the same conclusion.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on November 08, 2018, 08:09:30 PM
Why not bring the discussion over here? https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93100.0

It is "tech talk" no?

I have the same question:

Ok, thank you.  How do I go about doing that?  What should I buy?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on November 08, 2018, 08:35:22 PM
I have a Shabbos shunt switch for my Ring Pro and my alarm system.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on November 08, 2018, 08:36:51 PM
I have a Shabbos shunt switch for my Ring Pro and my alarm system.

A bit more detail please  :D What's a shunt switch?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on November 08, 2018, 08:37:47 PM
A bit more detail please  :D What's a shunt switch?
Basically a button that kills power to the device. Wouldn't work if you're battery powered.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on November 08, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
Basically a button that kills power to the device. Wouldn't work if you're battery powered.

Oh. I'm on battery  :-\
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: MarkS on November 09, 2018, 12:06:12 AM
If you don't have recordings stored it shouldn't be an issue.

If you have recordings saved, it is Kosev. Now the question is, when you, your wife and kids walk up, it is a pesik reisha. Question is, is it nicha lei for the recordings of you and your family. It's likely that the intent in recording is for guests, intruders, strangers where you get a ring alerting you that they approach and then a recording of the incident. These thoughts may be relevant in determining if this is no worse than a motion activated light which I believe you are allowed to pass.

As always, AYLOR.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: 12HRS on November 09, 2018, 12:18:15 AM
If you don't have recordings stored it shouldn't be an issue.

If you have recordings saved, it is Kosev. Now the question is, when you, your wife and kids walk up, it is a pesik reisha. Question is, is it nicha lei for the recordings of you and your family. It's likely that the intent in recording is for guests, intruders, strangers where you get a ring alerting you that they approach and then a recording of the incident. These thoughts may be relevant in determining if this is no worse than a motion activated light which I believe you are allowed to pass.

As always, AYLOR.

Its Kosev?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: tzifanya54 on November 09, 2018, 12:21:12 AM
Its Kosev?
Its a debate among todays poskim from what I understand.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on November 09, 2018, 12:52:49 AM
no worse than a motion activated light which I believe you are allowed to pass.
Don't think that's simple.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 09, 2018, 09:25:29 AM
If you don't have recordings stored it shouldn't be an issue.
It still marks down the activity in the history log. Does that not matter?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on November 09, 2018, 01:42:21 PM
Oh. I'm on battery  :-\

... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 09, 2018, 01:44:39 PM
... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Its kind of a hassle to do.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on November 10, 2018, 09:43:20 PM
Its kind of a hassle to do.

Basically a button that kills power to the device. Wouldn't work if you're battery powered.

In all honesty should I forget it since I'm on battery?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: MarkS on November 10, 2018, 10:29:32 PM
... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Lol. For that price, just go into the app and disable motion sensing each Friday.

There is an option to set a schedule disabling ringing so the best solution would be if Ring enabled an option to have motion sensing turn off for set periods.

I wonder if there's an app that can be set to go into the ring app each Friday and edit the setting to shut off motion
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: MarkS on November 10, 2018, 10:31:41 PM
Don't think that's simple.
Sheivet HaLevi 9:69 permits walking in an area where there is a motion sensor that will activate a light, such as those attached to the outside of buildings. He explains that davar she’eino mitkaven refers only to when one does an action that may cause an unintended melacha. If, however, one is walking normally and makes no motion in order for a melacha to occur, it is not even a psik reisha as long as one’s intent isn’t to turn on the light. Orchot Shabbat (p. 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv and Rav Nissim Karlitz who say that since one doesn’t have a direct connection to the melacha and doesn’t care about the light, it’s not called melechet machshevet. The Shabbos Home (p. 489) agrees.

Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“Halacha Engages Modernity Part 8,” min 50-60) challenges this line of reasoning because it should be considered a psik reisha d’nicha lei and turning on a light might be deoraitta. Furthermore, The 39 Melachos (p. 1215) says that if one can’t avoid walking in a place that will turn on a light because of a motion sensor and the streets are dark so that one will benefit from the light turning on, one shouldn’t leave his house! He does permit one to walk past such a motion sensor if he closes his eyes at the time when the light will turn on because in such a case then it is not considered niche lei, even if one will open one's eyes right afterwards.

On the other hand, Rabbi Hershel Schachter (“Electricity on Shabbos,” min 62-8) explains that if one is doing an action that is physically disconnected from where the melacha is occurring, it isn’t considered a psik reisha. Thus, Rav Schachter says that there’s what to rely on to permit walking in an area where there is a surveillance camera or a motion sensor which will turn on a light as long as one doesn’t have intent to be videoed or turn on the light.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on November 10, 2018, 10:34:23 PM
Sheivet HaLevi 9:69 permits walking in an area where there is a motion sensor that will activate a light, such as those attached to the outside of buildings. He explains that davar she’eino mitkaven refers only to when one does an action that may cause an unintended melacha. If, however, one is walking normally and makes no motion in order for a melacha to occur, it is not even a psik reisha as long as one’s intent isn’t to turn on the light. Orchot Shabbat (p. 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv and Rav Nissim Karlitz who say that since one doesn’t have a direct connection to the melacha and doesn’t care about the light, it’s not called melechet machshevet. The Shabbos Home (p. 489) agrees.

Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“Halacha Engages Modernity Part 8,” min 50-60) challenges this line of reasoning because it should be considered a psik reisha d’nicha lei and turning on a light might be deoraitta. Furthermore, The 39 Melachos (p. 1215) says that if one can’t avoid walking in a place that will turn on a light because of a motion sensor and the streets are dark so that one will benefit from the light turning on, one shouldn’t leave his house! He does permit one to walk past such a motion sensor if he closes his eyes at the time when the light will turn on because in such a case then it is not considered niche lei, even if one will open one's eyes right afterwards.

On the other hand, Rabbi Hershel Schachter (“Electricity on Shabbos,” min 62-8) explains that if one is doing an action that is physically disconnected from where the melacha is occurring, it isn’t considered a psik reisha. Thus, Rav Schachter says that there’s what to rely on to permit walking in an area where there is a surveillance camera or a motion sensor which will turn on a light as long as one doesn’t have intent to be videoed or turn on the light.
None of that means that it's OK to have on your house l'chatchila.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: thaber on November 10, 2018, 10:40:52 PM
Sheivet HaLevi 9:69 permits walking in an area where there is a motion sensor that will activate a light, such as those attached to the outside of buildings. He explains that davar she’eino mitkaven refers only to when one does an action that may cause an unintended melacha. If, however, one is walking normally and makes no motion in order for a melacha to occur, it is not even a psik reisha as long as one’s intent isn’t to turn on the light. Orchot Shabbat (p. 79) quotes Rav Elyashiv and Rav Nissim Karlitz who say that since one doesn’t have a direct connection to the melacha and doesn’t care about the light, it’s not called melechet machshevet. The Shabbos Home (p. 489) agrees.

Rabbi Mordechai Willig (“Halacha Engages Modernity Part 8,” min 50-60) challenges this line of reasoning because it should be considered a psik reisha d’nicha lei and turning on a light might be deoraitta. Furthermore, The 39 Melachos (p. 1215) says that if one can’t avoid walking in a place that will turn on a light because of a motion sensor and the streets are dark so that one will benefit from the light turning on, one shouldn’t leave his house! He does permit one to walk past such a motion sensor if he closes his eyes at the time when the light will turn on because in such a case then it is not considered niche lei, even if one will open one's eyes right afterwards.

On the other hand, Rabbi Hershel Schachter (“Electricity on Shabbos,” min 62-8) explains that if one is doing an action that is physically disconnected from where the melacha is occurring, it isn’t considered a psik reisha. Thus, Rav Schachter says that there’s what to rely on to permit walking in an area where there is a surveillance camera or a motion sensor which will turn on a light as long as one doesn’t have intent to be videoed or turn on the light.
This sheivet halevi is known, and considered a big chidush. Once it's something you benefit from that's a game changer. The common psak is to avoid known lights.
Cameras is an entirely different kettle of fish.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: how on November 11, 2018, 02:03:38 AM
I might as well try again here...

Is there a way to program a camera system to shut off for 2 minutes an one random time each day or each week? Is there a outlet that can be programmed to shut off that way?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: thaber on November 11, 2018, 02:25:53 AM
I might as well try again here...
You want random to avoid psik reisha? Why not set the system to not record on shabbos and turn off the monitor?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: how on November 11, 2018, 02:29:52 AM
You want random to avoid psik reisha? Why not set the system to not record on shabbos and turn off the monitor?
they want it on 24/7

The monitor is off. On shabbos it records straight. Trying to find a way to get to shut off at a random time each week
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Zevi16 on November 11, 2018, 03:44:21 AM
Hello All,
I recently got a Ring doorbell but realized today that even if I turn off the motion alerts, the device will still record motion and will turn on when someone approaches it.  The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app.  Does anyone know of any easier ways to turn off motion detection that would allow me to put it on a schedule rather than having to remember to turn it off every shabbos?  TIA
Even setting the ring on the scheduled ‘motion on/off’ setting, it still has glitches and will record randomly. When fully off it won’t record.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yitrap on November 11, 2018, 05:57:04 AM
AYLOR.
My father told me ours said it doesn't have to be turned off cause you're running it to record potential robbers you don't care about the recordings of your family...
Before we asked we used a piece of duct tape - most of it covered not to be sticky - and just taped it from the back of the doorbell over the camera every Friday.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on November 12, 2018, 09:58:26 PM
Isn't is just the motion detection that's a problem? If so, I see in the app that you can disable the sensor just like searchguy can with the nest hello:

I use the Nest Hello, and there is an option to schedule the camera on/off, which is cool for Shabbos, it works automatically, then you can turn schedule on and off when you are away for Shabbos
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on November 12, 2018, 10:15:20 PM
Isn't is just the motion detection that's a problem? If so, I see in the app that you can disable the sensor just like searchguy can with the nest hello:

It still marks down the activity in the history log. Does that not matter?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Buruch on November 14, 2018, 04:32:09 AM
Does the Ring siren automatically shut off after a certain amount of time? Where I live the break ins happen 99 percent on shabbos/Yom tov, so I don't want to disable it then.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: myi on November 16, 2018, 05:32:07 AM
... uh... pull out one of the batteries before shabbos, and you should be good :)
Or stick with the old wired door bell.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: myi on November 16, 2018, 05:41:48 AM
Hello All,
I recently got a Ring doorbell but realized today that even if I turn off the motion alerts, the device will still record motion and will turn on when someone approaches it.  The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app.  Does anyone know of any easier ways to turn off motion detection that would allow me to put it on a schedule rather than having to remember to turn it off every shabbos?  TIA
I picked one up not long ago, but ever since I took it out of the box I never ended up wiring it to the existing bell due to my intercom which I would lose, unless there's a way to connect my intercom to the bell as well on the Ring2 or newer models.
 Kept my camera on the counters and set the motion detection off, but to my surprise I still saw all the activity, so been twisting the camera backwards facing the wall now and back around after shabbos.
 Good thing I didn't install it yet.
 Is there anyone here who had an intercom which was connected to the bell and was lost after using the ring doorbell? Or you guys just wired up a 2nd bell and bought the chime, while leaving the existing doorbell with the intercom?   
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on November 26, 2018, 01:18:24 PM
Not a wiring expert, but I can imagine you can wire up the bell in parallel with your intercom, the caveats would be:

- If someone presses the ring button, you'd get notified through the app and not the intercom.
- If someone presses the intercom button, you'd be able to speak with them through the intercom and ring would probably capture them with motion sensing.

I assume your intercom is one with a pushbutton for opening the door, or else, you could simply use ring to figure out who was outside
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: NYHeel on December 07, 2018, 10:35:38 AM
You can just turn off all of the motion detection zones before Shabbos and it won't detect any motion. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on December 07, 2018, 12:40:13 PM
You can just turn off all of the motion detection zones before Shabbos and it won't detect any motion. Problem solved.
Yes that was mentioned but OP was looking for a better option that can be scheduled.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: avromie7 on December 07, 2018, 12:54:35 PM
Yes that was mentioned but OP was looking for a better option that can be scheduled.
Look into creating a scheduled task with ITTT (If This Then That) or a similar program.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Buruch on January 07, 2019, 05:43:02 AM
Just a heads up for anyone buying the ring system. The contact sensors for doors and windows can't be turned off once enabled unless you open and remove the batteries. Even if you disconnect them from the system, so they don't trigger the alarm or chime, they still flash a light every time the door or window is opened.
If anyone figured out an easier way around removing the battery, please share.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on January 07, 2019, 10:32:21 AM
Just a heads up for anyone buying the ring system. The contact sensors for doors and windows can't be turned off once enabled unless you open and remove the batteries. Even if you disconnect them from the system, so they don't trigger the alarm or chime, they still flash a light every time the door or window is opened.
If anyone figured out an easier way around removing the battery, please share.

that is precisely what this  (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93100.msg2034522#msg2034522)thread has concluded several times.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: myi on January 08, 2019, 01:19:21 AM
that is precisely what this  (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93100.msg2034522#msg2034522)thread has concluded several times.
Curios if he read the thread or found a thread which has the same question he was about to ask and asked?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Buruch on January 08, 2019, 04:23:21 AM
that is precisely what this  (https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=93100.msg2034522#msg2034522)thread has concluded several times.

No, that thread is talking about the doorbell/ cameras. I'm talking about the contact sensors.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 02, 2019, 01:47:41 PM
Yes that was mentioned but OP was looking for a better option that can be scheduled.
I have Google WiFi routers so I thought scheduling the Doorbell for no access with Family WiFi would be the perfect hands-off scheduled solution... It does work beautifully to stop all recording automatically, however, I noticed that on the Ring 2, there are IR (night-vision) lights that still seem to go on automatically... Anyone know any way around that?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on April 03, 2019, 09:11:01 AM
I have Google WiFi routers so I thought scheduling the Doorbell for no access with Family WiFi would be the perfect hands-off scheduled solution... It does work beautifully to stop all recording automatically, however, I noticed that on the Ring 2, there are IR (night-vision) lights that still seem to go on automatically... Anyone know any way around that?
Even though lack of wi-fi prevents the camera from recording, it's likely still running.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 09:13:41 AM
Even though lack of wi-fi prevents the camera from recording, it's likely still running.
Running in what sense? I don't believe it has any recording capabilities internally, it's only cloud based. So if no WiFi it's not recording and motion has no effect (aside from the IR lights I asked about).
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on April 03, 2019, 11:11:04 AM
If a t
Running in what sense? I don't believe it has any recording capabilities internally, it's only cloud based. So if no WiFi it's not recording and motion has no effect (aside from the IR lights I asked about).

It's the equivalent of having a camera on with no tape or memory card. The camera turns on when someone walks by and captures their movement and image - it just has nowhere to save it - you are also effectively turning on the same switch that turns on the IR lights.

As Dan points out above, if you have the 'pro' version, there is a way to install a bypass switch for shabbos.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 11:22:58 AM
If a t
It's the equivalent of having a camera on with no tape or memory card. The camera turns on when someone walks by and captures their movement and image - it just has nowhere to save it - you are also effectively turning on the same switch that turns on the IR lights.

As Dan points out above, if you have the 'pro' version, there is a way to install a bypass switch for shabbos.


Wow - didn't think it worked that way, but even if it did work that, I don't believe that would be problematic on shabbos. With alarm sensor lights, the only problem (from my understanding) is that you are actually triggering on a light (albeit one that you don't care about or even see in many cases) But with the Ring 2 on battery (I don't have wires so can't use Pro) during the day when there is no IR - there is absolutely nothing visual or audible that is happening when it is not connected to the internet...

Based on your response, I asked my LOR if it is problematic if it does indeed record, even temporarily, without anyway to retrieve and with no audio/visual indication it is doing so... Will update with his answer...
Still need to resolve the IR issue regardless (I think... should probably just ask about that too)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on April 03, 2019, 01:01:28 PM
Wow - didn't think it worked that way, but even if it did work that, I don't believe that would be problematic on shabbos. With alarm sensor lights, the only problem (from my understanding) is that you are actually triggering on a light (albeit one that you don't care about or even see in many cases) But with the Ring 2 on battery (I don't have wires so can't use Pro) during the day when there is no IR - there is absolutely nothing visual or audible that is happening when it is not connected to the internet...

Based on your response, I asked my LOR if it is problematic if it does indeed record, even temporarily, without anyway to retrieve and with no audio/visual indication it is doing so... Will update with his answer...
Still need to resolve the IR issue regardless (I think... should probably just ask about that too)


Random thought #1 - you could just pull out the battery before shabbos. It might be a hassle, but it's 30 seconds of your week.

Random thought #2 - IMHO, the two biggest problems with all of the 'connected' devices in our homes and shabbos are:
[ul]


Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
Random thought #1 - you could just pull out the battery before shabbos. It might be a hassle, but it's 30 seconds of your week.

Random thought #2 - IMHO, the two biggest problems with all of the 'connected' devices in our homes and shabbos are:
[ul]
  • We don't truly know what they are doing in the background. For example, I imagine that some recorders will record without internet, and then upload to the cloud when ready. (Based on Ring's website, I have no reason to believe that they currently do this).
  • Any feature that's disabled via Software can be re-enabled with a reset or changed with an update - if your device has a true - turn me off mode - like the nest and amazon cams do - can you really rely on it? If your power goes out for a brief period on shabbos will the camera reset and come on when the power is restored? Or, the company can tweak the software so that even though it says its not recording, it might still be secretly doing it




Re:
Thought 1 - Yes, of course that's an option, but its a pain in the neck and we were trying to find an automated solution.

Thought 2 - Background - I've been chatting with a Ring Support Tech about the IR lights, he confirmed that "device has no memory in and of itself" so no wifi, no recording at all.
In regards to it being re-enabled or reset, by doing the scheduled pause from the Router it wouldn't matter; if the router resets, theres no wifi, and if it resets more than that, the Ring would likely need to be re-paired altogether

Thank you for the ideas though!
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on April 03, 2019, 03:03:38 PM
Hello All,
I recently got a Ring doorbell but realized today that even if I turn off the motion alerts, the device will still record motion and will turn on when someone approaches it.  The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app.  Does anyone know of any easier ways to turn off motion detection that would allow me to put it on a schedule rather than having to remember to turn it off every shabbos?  TIA
IMO the motion detection is still the best option (better than pulling out the battery and having to deal with the tiny screw every week).
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 03:06:58 PM
IMO the motion detection is still the best option (better than pulling out the battery and having to deal with the tiny screw every week).

Have you checked if that also stops the IR lights from going on and off?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on April 03, 2019, 03:08:32 PM
IMO the motion detection is still the best option (better than pulling out the battery and having to deal with the tiny screw every week).

Does it lose the settings each time you turn it off? Like the zone is set at place X, does it lose that marker each time you turn it off? If yes, I'd say that was more annoying then removing the battery
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on April 03, 2019, 03:09:19 PM
IMO the motion detection is still the best option (better than pulling out the battery and having to deal with the tiny screw every week).
Best option is having a physical kill switch.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on April 03, 2019, 03:09:26 PM
Have you checked if that also stops the IR lights from going on and off?

Yes it does stop them, if it's not set to detect any motion at all there is no need for the IR.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on April 03, 2019, 03:10:20 PM
Best option is having a physical kill switch.

As well as driving a tesla, some people - like me - just can't afford it
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on April 03, 2019, 03:11:28 PM
As well as driving a tesla, some people - like me - just can't afford it
I'm quite surprised nobody is doing it in NYC for an affordable price.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 03:12:20 PM
Best option is having a physical kill switch.

Yes, if only mine wasn't on Battery power
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on April 03, 2019, 03:16:18 PM
Yes, if only mine wasn't on Battery power
+1
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on April 03, 2019, 03:17:03 PM
Have you checked if that also stops the IR lights from going on and off?
Yup, I do it for every shabbos. The annoying thing is that I also forget to turn the motion back on until like Tuesday lol.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on April 03, 2019, 03:19:56 PM
Yup, I do it for every shabbos. The annoying thing is that I also forget to turn the motion back on until like Tuesday lol.

Does it lose the settings each time you turn it off? Like the zone is set at place X, does it lose that marker each time you turn it off? If yes, I'd say that was more annoying then removing the battery

Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on April 03, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
Does it lose the settings each time you turn it off? Like the zone is set at place X, does it lose that marker each time you turn it off? If yes, I'd say that was more annoying then removing the battery
Yes, you have to remove the zone totally and reset after shabbos. I guess if you are very sensitive about your zones then it may be a bigger issue. Not for me.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 03:22:13 PM
Yup, I do it for every shabbos. The annoying thing is that I also forget to turn the motion back on until like Tuesday lol.

Yes, that's exactly what I'm trying to avoid... Ring said there is a way for them to turn of the IR but it would be permanent... If I did that, together with the WiFi on scheduled off for Shabbos, I should be on autopilot (except for YT)... Just not sure I want to lose my IR - My porch is well lit, so could be I don't need it too much..

(My LOR said IF there is anything that completely behind the scenes gets triggered it wouldn't be a problem)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: sr on April 03, 2019, 03:23:29 PM
Yes, you have to remove the zone totally and reset after shabbos. I guess if you are very sensitive about your zones then it may be a bigger issue. Not for me.

On my app - there is an on/off toggle for each part of the zone - but the zone itself stays in place, so there wouldn't be any resetting of the zones
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on April 03, 2019, 03:26:12 PM
Time for someone to start marketing a Kosher Ring installation service...
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: gozalim on April 03, 2019, 04:39:31 PM
I'm quite surprised nobody is doing it in NYC for an affordable price.
because the install tech is paying NYC cost of living...
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on April 03, 2019, 04:51:35 PM
because the install tech is paying NYC cost of living...

And I'm the 5 towns, cost is even higher
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on April 04, 2019, 08:36:54 AM
Time for someone to start marketing a Kosher Ring installation service...

Or better yet, a simple kit that you could wire up a shunt switch. It would contain a $0.50 switch, some wires that cause pennies, and little note that explains how to install it. It'll sell at large kosher markets for $29.99

I'm sure people will buy it, just like they buy bedikas chametz kits and pre-packaged 10 pieces of bread
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2019, 08:38:01 AM
Exactly.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: gozalim on April 04, 2019, 09:32:37 AM
Or better yet, a simple kit that you could wire up a shunt switch. It would contain a $0.50 switch, some wires that cause pennies, and little note that explains how to install it. It'll sell at large kosher markets for $29.99

I'm sure people will buy it, just like they buy bedikas chametz kits and pre-packaged 10 pieces of bread
get ner mitzvah logo and go ahead
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: stooges44 on April 04, 2019, 09:33:41 AM
Or better yet, a simple kit that you could wire up a shunt switch. It would contain a $0.50 switch, some wires that cause pennies, and little note that explains how to install it. It'll sell at large kosher markets for $29.99

I'm sure people will buy it, just like they buy bedikas chametz kits and pre-packaged 10 pieces of bread

You forgot the salt water, people buy that also!
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on April 04, 2019, 10:17:48 AM
You forgot the salt water, people buy that also!

forgive my slightly OT rant for a moment->

The level of laziness of some people never ceases to amaze me.  As a kid, I enjoyed helping my parents and grandparents prep for the seder. Whether it was building the matzah 'tower' and kaarah, chopping stuff for charoses, and yes - mixing the salt water, it was a labor of love, and a hands-on lesson in chinuch.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on April 04, 2019, 10:22:06 AM
Now back on topic - was looking something up on Ring's site, and found this:

https://shop.ring.com/collections/accessories/products/plug-in-adapter

So -
If you don't have doorbell wiring, get a ring pro, get this, and then plug it in to a shabbos timer/automated switch - problem solved :)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: aro123 on May 03, 2019, 02:29:01 PM
this is what i did.  i bought a regular light switch https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-15-Amp-Single-Pole-Toggle-Light-Switch-White-R52-01451-02W/100026991 and a over the switch 7 day timer  https://www.homedepot.com/p/AutoChron-Wireless-Programmable-Wall-Switch-Timer-White-82000/205190965 and i connected the doorbell wiring through the switch and set it to turn off every friday at 4:30 and turn on every saturday at 10 pm . (of course it didnt end up working for me because i have a build in battery and when i removed it the ring would not behave even when hard wired) but it should work for a ring pro or ring 2 if you can hardwire it
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on May 03, 2019, 04:31:47 PM
this is what i did.  i bought a regular light switch https://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-15-Amp-Single-Pole-Toggle-Light-Switch-White-R52-01451-02W/100026991 and a over the switch 7 day timer  https://www.homedepot.com/p/AutoChron-Wireless-Programmable-Wall-Switch-Timer-White-82000/205190965 and i connected the doorbell wiring through the switch and set it to turn off every friday at 4:30 and turn on every saturday at 10 pm . (of course it didnt end up working for me because i have a build in battery and when i removed it the ring would not behave even when hard wired) but it should work for a ring pro or ring 2 if you can hardwire it

Wow, that's a rube goldberg device if I've ever seen one. You also *could* have just gotten this - https://smile.amazon.com/Century-Programmable-Compatible-Required-Backlight/dp/B075H1WLJ1/

I think that I'll need to DIY Dan's solution and post a video - Bli neder, of course


Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2019, 04:36:48 PM
One for the alarm, one for Ring:
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: EJB on May 03, 2019, 05:07:29 PM
One for the alarm, one for Ring:

Do you need to press anything or is it automated?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on May 03, 2019, 05:09:21 PM
Do you need to press anything or is it automated?
Need to press them. Do it the same time as the fridge/freezer, so not really a big deal.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: EJB on May 05, 2019, 12:06:10 AM
Need to press them. Do it the same time as the fridge/freezer, so not really a big deal.

Eh, I prefer something I can preprogram :). Most of my stuff that are IFTTT compatible I link a trigger to a google calendar I have from myzmanim based on events called "Candle Lighting" and "Havdallah". Unfortunately, my Nest Hello isn't yet supported so I do it based on rough times.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: aro123 on May 06, 2019, 01:26:05 PM
Wow, that's a rube goldberg device if I've ever seen one. You also *could* have just gotten this - https://smile.amazon.com/Century-Programmable-Compatible-Required-Backlight/dp/B075H1WLJ1/

I think that I'll need to DIY Dan's solution and post a video - Bli neder, of course
i assumed that those clocks won't work with low voltage wiring  (but i may be wrong)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: chilzech on July 05, 2019, 09:25:30 AM
What about using the adapter that was posted up thread
(https://shop.ring.com/collections/accessories/products/plug-in-adapter)
+ a wifi outlet (wemo) or a simple outlet timer like this
https://www.amazon.com/Century-Heavy-Digital-Programmable-Timer/dp/B00MVF16JG
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on July 15, 2019, 07:06:23 AM
What’s the actual deal here? I know tons of people who have Rings and Nests (doorbells) but Dan is the only one I’ve heard of installing a Shabbos switch. Does everyone else just rely on whatever off switch it comes with?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on July 15, 2019, 08:07:02 AM
Does everyone else just rely on whatever off switch it comes with?
No. You can turn it off manually every week, its just a pain.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on July 15, 2019, 08:31:38 AM
No. You can turn it off manually every week, its just a pain.
Did anyone post the best way to do that?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: gingyguy on July 15, 2019, 09:49:20 AM
Did anyone post the best way to do that?
you mean here in ddf? Who would have possibly done that?!? ;D
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on July 15, 2019, 09:53:22 AM
you mean here in ddf? Who would have possibly done that?!? ;D
WIYF.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on July 15, 2019, 10:11:44 AM
Did anyone post the best way to do that?

The only way I can find to turn off the motion detection is by turning off all the zones for motion detection in the "motion zones" section of the app. 
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on July 15, 2019, 10:14:57 AM
I can see what my electrician say about the kill switch, but for now, is it annoying to turn off the motion zones and turn them back on every Motzai Shabbos? From reading the other thread, it really seems like Nest is the better option since it has a simple off option.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on July 15, 2019, 10:26:12 AM
I can see what my electrician say about the kill switch, but for now, is it annoying to turn off the motion zones and turn them back on every Motzai Shabbos? From reading the other thread, it really seems like Nest is the better option since it has a simple off option.
It's not hard, so just think about whether you would be annoyed if you had to do it...
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on July 15, 2019, 10:27:58 AM
It's not hard, so just think about whether you would be annoyed if you had to do it...
I mean the same way I have to turn on my Echo Plug for my crockpot and turn on my Shabbos lamps, or like others said, set their fridge lights. It's just another pre-Shabbos to-do.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on July 15, 2019, 12:28:54 PM
I can see what my electrician say about the kill switch, but for now, is it annoying to turn off the motion zones and turn them back on every Motzai Shabbos? From reading the other thread, it really seems like Nest is the better option since it has a simple off option.

Two thoughts for you:
- If you have any wiring aptitude, it's not difficult to buy an inexpensive <$1 switch and wire it in to your nest battery, and hide it in the same box as your chime (not every wired doorbell has it accessible though).

- While going with nest is a good solution of avoiding this problem - if you need to retain video from your doorbell camera, it will be more expensive with the nest.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on July 15, 2019, 01:06:54 PM
Thanks. Once I'm doing wiring, I'd have it hooked up to a smart light switch so I can set it to automatically go on and off.
I don't need to retain video because I'd be using it to see who's at the door, not as a security feature.
Also someone above said even the Nest off switch isn't perfect because something still happens even in off mode...?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on July 15, 2019, 01:15:49 PM
Thanks. Once I'm doing wiring, I'd have it hooked up to a smart light switch so I can set it to automatically go on and off.
I don't need to retain video because I'd be using it to see who's at the door, not as a security feature.
Also someone above said even the Nest off switch isn't perfect because something still happens even in off mode...?

Retaining video is very, very nice. Use it much more often that I thought we would.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on July 15, 2019, 01:16:58 PM
What’s the actual deal here? I know tons of people who have Rings and Nests (doorbells) but Dan is the only one I’ve heard of installing a Shabbos switch. Does everyone else just rely on whatever off switch it comes with?
Ask your Rabbi, Mine says its no issue at all to have it running
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on July 15, 2019, 02:58:55 PM
I'm being told that you can easily schedule your router to turn off wifi for a specific device for a set period of time (such as Shabbos), and then when a doorbell isn't connected to wifi, it totally turns off - no sensors go off, etc.

Retaining video is very, very nice. Use it much more often that I thought we would.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for Ring vs. Nest.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on July 15, 2019, 03:09:52 PM
I'm being told that you can easily schedule your router to turn off wifi for a specific device for a set period of time (such as Shabbos), and then when a doorbell isn't connected to wifi, it totally turns off - no sensors go off, etc.
Not true for my Ring 2. Red lights on the doorbell are still triggered with motion.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on July 15, 2019, 04:33:34 PM
I'm being told that you can easily schedule your router to turn off wifi for a specific device for a set period of time (such as Shabbos), and then when a doorbell isn't connected to wifi, it totally turns off - no sensors go off, etc.
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind for Ring vs. Nest.

The former - turning off wi-fi for your camera - I can vouch for entirely. For google wi-fi for example, you can do this the same way you do Family Wi-Fi - make a new kid - call it 'Shabbos Yid' - and associate all of your ring devices with it. Schedule it to disable wi-fi from Friday night to Motzash.

As for the latter - i.e. what happens to the doorbell when the wifi connection is lost - I don't believe they have local storage and can hold the videos offline until the wi-fi comes back, but I can't guarantee that you aren't setting off the motion sensor or camera. I would suggest you AYLOR to see if that even makes a difference.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on July 29, 2019, 01:51:02 PM
Not true for my Ring 2. Red lights on the doorbell are still triggered with motion.
I was looking at a Ring on someone's house now that was turned on - with wifi on - and did not see any lights turn on when I walked past. Just the blue circle was lit up the whole time.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on July 31, 2019, 09:48:39 PM
I was looking at a Ring on someone's house now that was turned on - with wifi on - and did not see any lights turn on when I walked past. Just the blue circle was lit up the whole time.
These lights turn on when its dark outside
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Ergel on August 01, 2019, 09:08:52 AM
I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 01, 2019, 09:15:57 AM
These lights turn on when its dark outside
Thank you. It could be I only looked during the day time, I will have to check at night. Or perhaps I wasn't looking at a Ring 2 (which I think is the version you said you have).

I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.
I feel like motion is pretty important - that's what alerts you when someone unexpected is at your house - potentially stealing packages, etc. - I personally wouldn't be willing to part with that. The item you're showing is basically a kill switch like Dan suggested, it's another nice idea.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 01, 2019, 09:20:09 AM
I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.
I believe that even if you have it set to off, it still records motion but it doesn't notify you, no?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: DDFer on August 01, 2019, 09:33:06 AM
I spoke with customer service and they said that a feature which you can schedule motion detection to go off is available right now only for the stick up cam, it’s called motion record control. They do not know if/when it will be rolled out for other devices. When motion detection is off the camera will not record. They said that for doorbell pro only way is to delete/deactivate motion zones and for cams to turn off motion detection manually. But again, AYLOR if it is a problem to keep motion recording on on shabbos, many are lenient for a variety of reasons.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 01, 2019, 09:34:17 AM
But again, AYLOR if it is a problem to keep motion recording on on shabbos, many are lenient for a variety of reasons.
Mine was not. YLORMV.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 01, 2019, 09:35:28 AM
Someone here showed me that while motion was turned off, he didn't get alerts but when he looked in his app history, it still wrote down all the times someone passed infront the camera while motion was off.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 01, 2019, 09:36:33 AM
Someone here showed me that while motion was turned off, he didn't get alerts but when he looked in his app history, it still wrote down all the times someone passed infront the camera while motion was off.
Yup. You need to kill the zones or shut off power to the device.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 01, 2019, 09:37:58 AM
I believe that even if you have it set to off, it still records motion but it doesn't notify you, no?

I am 99% sure that is the case on the Doorbell Pro - this is in reference to removing the motion zones.

However, the relay he linked to on AliExpress seems like an elegant version of the cutoff switch that Dan mentioned earlier in the thread. If the power is cut (both the transformer power as well as the battery backup) the doorbell won't work.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 01, 2019, 09:39:09 AM
Yup. You need to kill the zones or shut off power to the device.
His solution was to have his router turn off the wifi to the Ring. Which solved the problem. Only remaining problem is red lights from @Geshmak25 although he (and myself) haven't seen any red lights yet.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 01, 2019, 09:41:48 AM
His solution was to have his router turn off the wifi to the Ring. Which solved the problem. Only remaining problem is red lights from @Geshmak25 although he (and myself) haven't seen any red lights yet.
I think the red lights come on if you don't have a front porch light on.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: bubbles on August 01, 2019, 09:51:32 AM
I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.

Exactly what I had done. Works like a charm

Install a smart relay that will shut the power to the doorbell?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 01, 2019, 09:57:56 AM
I think the red lights come on if you don't have a front porch light on.
I'll try to check again tonight. I thought the light was on.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: gozalim on August 01, 2019, 11:18:28 AM
His solution was to have his router turn off the wifi to the Ring. Which solved the problem. Only remaining problem is red lights from @Geshmak25 although he (and myself) haven't seen any red lights yet.
that only stops the detected motions from being recorded long term at the server.  the detection sequence is still triggered locally, no? AYLOR if that solves it...
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Ergel on August 01, 2019, 11:20:07 AM
I believe that even if you have it set to off, it still records motion but it doesn't notify you, no?
Not if you've never enabled motion detection
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Ergel on August 01, 2019, 11:20:57 AM
I feel like motion is pretty important - that's what alerts you when someone unexpected is at your house - potentially stealing packages, etc. - I personally wouldn't be willing to part with that. The item you're showing is basically a kill switch like Dan suggested, it's another nice idea.
No packages left on my porch in Israel :( Miss Amazon
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Ergel on August 01, 2019, 11:22:58 AM
Exactly what I had done. Works like a charm

Now to find one that uses Smart Life instead of eWeLink....
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 01, 2019, 09:02:49 PM
I'll try to check again tonight. I thought the light was on.
Red lights went on even with front porch light on
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: MarkS on August 02, 2019, 12:01:16 AM
I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.
Does this work even with the original Ring which is battery operated to shut it off? or only on hardwired?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: bubbles on August 02, 2019, 12:24:11 AM
Now to find one that uses Smart Life instead of eWeLink....
I used ifttt integration to control it from smartthings
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: bubbles on August 02, 2019, 12:24:32 AM
Does this work even with the original Ring which is battery operated to shut it off? or only on hardwired?
Need wires
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 02, 2019, 02:46:48 PM
Red lights went on even with front porch light on
Thank you. Will either keep Ring 2 if my electrician installs switch for cheap, or will return for a Pro which I'm told has no red lights.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 02, 2019, 04:35:49 PM
Thank you. Will either keep Ring 2 if my electrician installs switch for cheap, or will return for a Pro which I'm told has no red lights.
Just remember the Pro needs to be wired. I originally bought the Pro and then it didnt work because my old doorbell didn't have the right voltage to power the Pro. I didnt want to deal with that so I returned and got the Ring 2 instead.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on August 04, 2019, 08:18:24 PM
Is there a smart timer that can act as a kill switch on a timer ?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: thaber on August 05, 2019, 01:13:03 AM
covering it solves lights and motion, I would think
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 05, 2019, 08:24:08 AM
covering it solves lights and motion, I would think
So does going into the app and shutting off the motion every week.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: moko on August 05, 2019, 08:29:58 AM
So does going into the app and shutting off the motion every week.
it has been mentioned several times upthread that it still records when motion is turned off, it just doesn't send alerts. It would seem , covering it would solve the issue of recording
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: ttn on August 05, 2019, 08:43:29 AM
Just remember the Pro needs to be wired. I originally bought the Pro and then it didnt work because my old doorbell didn't have the right voltage to power the Pro. I didnt want to deal with that so I returned and got the Ring 2 instead.
That's why I am looking to switch the pro (which I got on prime day for $68) for a ring 2. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 05, 2019, 09:26:54 AM
it has been mentioned several times upthread that it still records when motion is turned off, it just doesn't send alerts. It would seem , covering it would solve the issue of recording
I copied what I believe to me the most pertinent comments below.
If you "turn off" motion you won't get alerts but motion will still be recorded. If you shut off wifi then nothing will be recorded as per below, but red lights will still come on for Ring 2 (which I believe is the detection sequence that gozalim is referencing). If you kill the zones then motion won’t be recorded and lights don’t come on so I believe all of the issues are solved, same as if you just covered the doorbell.

Someone here showed me that while motion was turned off, he didn't get alerts but when he looked in his app history, it still wrote down all the times someone passed infront the camera while motion was off.
Yup. You need to kill the zones or shut off power to the device.
His solution was to have his router turn off the wifi to the Ring. Which solved the problem. Only remaining problem is red lights from @Geshmak25 although he (and myself) haven't seen any red lights yet.
that only stops the detected motions from being recorded long term at the server.  the detection sequence is still triggered locally, no? AYLOR if that solves it...
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 05, 2019, 09:31:25 AM
I think Geshmak has it correct. But I am not sure what killing the zones entails. After Shabbos, do you have to go back into the app and set up your zones again? Seems like something that could be annoying every week. My friend with a Ring 2 says he just covers it every Shabbos.

That's why I am looking to switch the pro (which I got on prime day for $68) for a ring 2. Any ideas would be appreciated.
Yes! Let's trade! I have the 2 and want the Pro.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 05, 2019, 09:34:23 AM
Is there a smart timer that can act as a kill switch on a timer ?

I think you are asking is there a way to time a kill switch for one of these doorbells:
1. See the item at the link below - it's a smart switch that you can program remotely.
2. You can also (as Dan has suggested and done himself) have a regular button or switch that you simply turn off power to the unit before shabbos and turn it back on afterward.
3. These, AFAIK, only apply to the Ring Pro, which is wired - the pro is not only wired, but it also has a backup battery. To make this work, you need a switch that sits between all power supplies and the unit.
4. The regular Ring/Ring 2/ New Ring Doorcam are all battery powered.

I don't have motion detection on at all. I guess I could turn it on and turn it off before shabbos, but I feel like I'd always forget and not really sure I want it in the first place.
The other option I think would be to order something like this https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32995014520.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.0.0.1af01f677jibtl&algo_pvid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b&algo_expid=9e320396-5ba0-451b-a27c-6ae30f193d7b-12&btsid=13db5839-cbc6-4cee-8ade-f6ff98ea23be&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5,searchweb201603_52 and install it on the wire leading to the ring. Then you can set it to automatically go on and off based on shkia.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 05, 2019, 09:37:00 AM
After Shabbos, do you have to go back into the app and set up your zones again?
Yes

Seems like something that could be annoying every week. My friend with a Ring 2 says he just covers it every Shabbos.
Don't see why going into app is any more annoying than covering and uncovering every week.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 05, 2019, 09:38:19 AM
Yes
Don't see why going into app is any more annoying than covering and uncovering every week.
I don't know what setting up zones entails. Taking off your tin foil takes 1 second.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 05, 2019, 09:45:46 AM
Covering the ring means you lose the natural deterrence that Ring provides.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 05, 2019, 09:47:47 AM
Covering the ring means you lose the natural deterrence that Ring provides.
But on a day that typically has many people walking around and in and out of the house all day.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 05, 2019, 10:01:18 AM
I don't know what setting up zones entails. Taking off your tin foil takes 1 second.
No biggie
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: thaber on August 05, 2019, 10:03:29 AM
And obviously, one needs to clarify if the app recording motion is a issue in the first place
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 05, 2019, 10:03:54 AM
No biggie
That's good. But I guess if you have the wiring, it just makes more sense to get a Pro from a shabbos perspective.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: gozalim on August 05, 2019, 10:12:34 AM
To clarify my sequence comment :
Regardless of what external display results, the very fact that the sensor noted a motion, sets in motion a programming sequence. Without wifi it may error out at the 'recording' stage, it may not display a light, but the circuits in the program have been set in motion.'
Depending on which shita in electricity shabbos in general, this can be an issue.


(a similar issue was raised by rabbi LY Halperin a"h in response to the kosher switch (which badly resembles his 1970s invention more than anything else))
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: YitzyS on August 05, 2019, 10:14:48 AM
I use the Circle by Disney app to kill the wifi to my Ring every week. It is available for use with many Netgear routers - check online if yours is compatible. It's much simpler than killing the motion zones or manually shutting wifi. I just set up a Circle profile with only my ring in it, and pause it every Friday at the same time that I shut my fridge lights. If I would use the paid version of Circle, I would be able to set the ring to shut automatically on a schedule, but I don't have any use for the other features so I just use the free version and use it as a kill switch.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: YitzyS on August 05, 2019, 10:17:40 AM
To clarify my sequence comment :
Regardless of what external display results, the very gave that the sensor noted a motion, sets on motion a programming sequence. Without wifi it may error out at the 'recording stage, it may not display a light, but the circuits in the program have been set in motion.
Depending on which shita in electricity shabbos in general, this can be an issue.


(a similar issue was raised by rabbi LY Halperin a"h in response to the kosher switch (which badly resembles his 1970s invention more than anything else)
But it would be a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, since you get absolutely no benefit from the sequence, and it's probably a d'rabonon, so practically all poskim (that I know) would say it's not an issue. The only time there is a sheila is when you potentially derive benefit from a light or a recording.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 05, 2019, 10:35:31 AM
I added some of the commonly repeated items/questions to the Wiki. Feel free to edit.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 05, 2019, 10:38:17 AM
But it would be a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, since you get absolutely no benefit from the sequence, and it's probably a d'rabonon, so practically all poskim (that I know) would say it's not an issue. The only time there is a sheila is when you potentially derive benefit from a light or a recording.
Which by the same logic permit the ring to function as intended without any modification
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: YitzyS on August 05, 2019, 10:39:46 AM
Which by the same logic permit the ring to function as intended without any modification
Indeed, but although some may prohibit when you can potentially derive benefit from a recording, in the case when it's a mere sequence, the reasoning applies according to many more lor's.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 05, 2019, 10:44:01 AM
To clarify my sequence comment :
Regardless of what external display results, the very fact that the sensor noted a motion, sets in motion a programming sequence. Without wifi it may error out at the 'recording' stage, it may not display a light, but the circuits in the program have been set in motion.'
Depending on which shita in electricity shabbos in general, this can be an issue.


(a similar issue was raised by rabbi LY Halperin a"h in response to the kosher switch (which badly resembles his 1970s invention more than anything else))
When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 05, 2019, 10:46:50 AM
When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?
I dont think youll find a posek that finds this problematic  There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for sensor lights to go on
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 05, 2019, 10:50:34 AM
That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 05, 2019, 10:52:34 AM
That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
true, the same way a rav would say its "preferable" not use the Eiruv or be in Hawaii for Shabbos ;)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: est on August 05, 2019, 12:23:48 PM
Disabling the motion zones on the pro still triggers the sensor?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 05, 2019, 01:01:09 PM
Disabling the motion zones on the pro still triggers the sensor?

From this site: https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us/articles/360022650691-Motion-Detection-in-Ring-Battery-Devices
Quote from: Ring
Note: While it is highly unlikely that your Ring device will still detect motion after disabling all zones, it is possible if your Ring device is mounted high or can see the area it is monitoring really well. You may want to consider getting a Wedge Kit to help angle the device down.

So it implies that the sensor is still 'on' when not detecting motion - notice they also have you set the detection frequency to 'min' and not 'off'.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 06, 2019, 03:41:47 PM
@Dan if you have the Pro (and therefore no red lights), why install a kill switch instead of having your router turn off wifi to the device every Shabbos?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2019, 04:00:34 PM
@Dan if you have the Pro (and therefore no red lights), why install a kill switch instead of having your router turn off wifi to the device every Shabbos?

When you turn off the wifi the motion is not recorded but the red lights still go on, which means that there is still some local sensor that is being triggered. However, when you kill the zones the red lights don't even go on, which to me implies that the sensor did not note a motion, no programming sequence is set in motion, and it is as if you covered the doorbell.

Are you disagreeing with that?

I dont think youll find a posek that finds this problematic  There is absolutely no benefit to anyone for sensor lights to go on

That doesn't mean they won't say it's preferable to kill the motion zones if that's an option.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 06, 2019, 04:02:30 PM
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2019, 04:05:13 PM
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?
-1
https://www.reddit.com/r/ringdoorbell/comments/55jncm/three_red_lights/
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 06, 2019, 04:16:28 PM
-1
https://www.reddit.com/r/ringdoorbell/comments/55jncm/three_red_lights/
Interesting, I’ve spoken to several people with Pros and none ever saw red lights.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2019, 04:16:52 PM
Interesting, I’ve spoken to several people with Pros and none ever saw red lights.
I've seen it, I think it's only in a low light situation.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 06, 2019, 05:04:22 PM
I've seen it, I think it's only in a low light situation.

Yes - as Dan, and the Reddit Article point out these are Infrared LEDs the help in low light situations.

However in this case, I would imagine that the trigger for the light isn't motion, it's darkness.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 06, 2019, 05:05:07 PM
Are those on constantly at night / low light? Or only when motion triggers them?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: YitzyS on August 06, 2019, 07:37:22 PM
I have a pro and I did notice the red lights at night. But even if it is motion activated, since it is of no benefit to me (it doesn't supply any meaningful light to humans, only to the camera lens), it would seemingly remain a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and permitted according to most.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 06, 2019, 07:51:35 PM
I have a pro and I did notice the red lights at night. But even if it is motion activated, since it is of no benefit to me (it doesn't supply any meaningful light to humans, only to the camera lens), it would seemingly remain a psik reisha d'lo nicha lei, and permitted according to most.
If you have 2 equal options and 1 is a PRDN"L and 1 isn't, which should you choose?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 07, 2019, 10:25:18 AM
If you have 2 equal options and 1 is a PRDN"L and 1 isn't, which should you choose?
its not an equal option, by having a kill switch you lose out on potential footage of a trespasser etc...
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 07, 2019, 11:37:44 AM
its not an equal option, by having a kill switch you lose out on potential footage of a trespasser etc...

... but if you are capturing footage, and use it afterward, wouldn't that cross the boundary of Nicha Lei?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 07, 2019, 11:46:14 AM
... but if you are capturing footage, and use it afterward, wouldn't that cross the boundary of Nicha Lei?
Capturing footage of what? Yourself? Not NL, Footage of a trespasser or the like? His triggering isnt your problem
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 07, 2019, 12:06:49 PM
Capturing footage of what? Yourself? Not NL, Footage of a trespasser or the like? His triggering isnt your problem

My (simple am ha'aretz) impression of PRDLNL - is that I as the home owner, really don't care about any logging or video that might be triggered on shabbos or yom tov. If I start to care about it - i.e. I am worried about intruders - then the recording is Nicha Li.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 07, 2019, 12:17:12 PM
then the recording is Nicha Li.

Regarding an Intruder, your action isnt triggering it, and the recordings of you walking in front of it are not NL, The recordings themselves are maybe a problem Mdrbanan, couple that with a PR most posekim will say its ok (IME)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on August 12, 2019, 11:24:20 AM
Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: yoohoo on August 12, 2019, 11:39:19 AM
Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?
does not have
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 12, 2019, 12:08:56 PM
does not have
It most certainly does as seen in the official video

Does the ring pro have a battery backup? If it does - how does cutting the power help if the battery kicks in?

The battery backup is wired into the bell assembly/transformer. When you install the cutoff, it needs to cutoff the battery as well. In the standard install you'd connect each battery wire to one of the two terminals on your bell, instead do this:

- Connect one of the two wires from the battery as shown
- For the second terminal, remove the existing wire and attach one side of your switch
- For the second side of your switch, attach the existing bell wire, and the other battery wire.

When your switch is on, they're all connected, and when its off there is no power and no battery.

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Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on August 12, 2019, 01:38:18 PM
ring is telling me there is no battery in there
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 12, 2019, 02:13:26 PM
ring is telling me there is no battery in there

#FakeNews - clearly you (or they) didn't watch the video above (which is ring's official video)
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 12, 2019, 02:20:04 PM
#FakeNews - clearly you (or they) didn't watch the video above (which is ring's official video)

hmmm... I was under the impression that the power kit had a battery - I could be mistaken.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on August 12, 2019, 02:22:51 PM
What is a ring pro power kit?
The Ring Pro comes with a small circuit board that is designed to go between the doorbell transformer and the ring wiring. The short answer is you should use the Pro Power Kit if wiring the Ring Pro to an existing wall chime (powered chime). ... This is a inline fuse designed to protect the Ring Pro from momentary shorts.


I have no idea what that means but this may help you

Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 12, 2019, 03:54:09 PM
hmmm... I was under the impression that the power kit had a battery - I could be mistaken.
There is no battery on the Ring Pro. That's why many of us can't use ring pro and instead have to use the Ring 2.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 12, 2019, 05:03:35 PM
There is no battery on the Ring Pro. That's why many of us can't use ring pro and instead have to use the Ring 2.

Why, because you don't have wired doorbells?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on August 12, 2019, 05:05:47 PM
What is a ring pro power kit?
The Ring Pro comes with a small circuit board that is designed to go between the doorbell transformer and the ring wiring. The short answer is you should use the Pro Power Kit if wiring the Ring Pro to an existing wall chime (powered chime). ... This is a inline fuse designed to protect the Ring Pro from momentary shorts.


I have no idea what that means but this may help you

Yes, it's helpful, got this response on Reddit as well:
Quote
It helps bypass the chime partially so the coils of the chime don't constantly have 100% of the current required by the Ring Pro flowing through them, which can cause them to buzz or hum, and burn out prematurely. So when wired in parallel to the chime, it bypasses the chime most of the time, then when you press the button, it dumps a capacitor onto the line, signaling the power kit to switch modes, then the Pro closes the circuit, ringing the chime. This is also why there is a few second delay from pressing the button to when it actually rings with the Pro, since it has to switch modes in the power kit first.

Additionally, the Pro Power Kit v2 also has a bypass mode, which if you want to remove your wired chime from the system or don't have one to begin with, you wire the bypass side in place of the chime, and it has a circuit breaker inside that will trip if the doorbell type is set wrong and it tries to ring a bell that's not there, which can damage the Ring Pro. Or if a short happens somehow. It trips the breaker, then when you turn off the power to the transfomer and back on, it will automatically reset.

So it's got two purposes, both very important, and should always be used regardless of whether you have a chime or not, just in the respective mode (normal or bypass) for that installation.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on August 12, 2019, 08:58:01 PM
Why, because you don't have wired doorbells?
Not powerful enough to power the ring, it needs to be a certain voltage
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on August 12, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
Ok so my local electrician came and installed a smart light switch next to the breaker box
I’ll report back if it works :)

Link for switch I used:
https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Wi-Fi-Light-Switch-TP-Link/dp/B01EZV35QU?mc_cid=6c0e78c542&mc_eid=43be528f8a

He said something to this extent:
“I had to remove the transformer from breaker box
Add box for smart switch and install the transformer next to the switch “

Cost was 75$ for install (if you’re in the 5 towns I can send you his info)
Cost of switch was 26.00 minus 30% plus tax

Good luck for those doing this and thank you all for your input 
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on August 12, 2019, 11:46:49 PM
Get a 24v transformer for the Ring Pro.
16v gave me issues.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on August 13, 2019, 11:31:08 AM
how do I know if he did 24v or 16v?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: ushdadude on August 13, 2019, 11:42:13 AM
Ok so my local electrician came and installed a smart light switch next to the breaker box
I’ll report back if it works :)

Link for switch I used:
https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Wi-Fi-Light-Switch-TP-Link/dp/B01EZV35QU?mc_cid=6c0e78c542&mc_eid=43be528f8a (https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Wi-Fi-Light-Switch-TP-Link/dp/B01EZV35QU?mc_cid=6c0e78c542&mc_eid=43be528f8a)

He said something to this extent:
“I had to remove the transformer from breaker box
Add box for smart switch and install the transformer next to the switch “

Cost was 75$ for install (if you’re in the 5 towns I can send you his info)
Cost of switch was 26.00 minus 30% plus tax

Good luck for those doing this and thank you all for your input
interesting. who did you use?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Floridian on August 14, 2019, 05:00:41 PM
Geshmak is referring to a Ring 2 which has red lights. The Pro has no red lights, so who says there is any local sensor being triggered?

Here's proof that the Ring 2 has lights:

https://youtu.be/T3KTcnUIBCE

Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on August 15, 2019, 09:16:07 AM
Here's proof that the Ring 2 has lights:

https://youtu.be/T3KTcnUIBCE
Geshmak posted pics above of the red lights on his Ring 2.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: shalumov on September 27, 2019, 03:51:41 PM
Why can't you simply cover the camera (with something like a sticker or tape) for Shabbat?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: YitzyS on September 27, 2019, 04:02:34 PM
Why can't you simply cover the camera (with something like a sticker or tape) for Shabbat?
Today's DDFers have way too much OCD for that.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on September 27, 2019, 04:35:43 PM
Why can't you simply cover the camera (with something like a sticker or tape) for Shabbat?

you have to remember to do that every shabbos

the method I posted above is fully automated
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Geshmak25 on September 27, 2019, 05:03:46 PM
Why can't you simply cover the camera (with something like a sticker or tape) for Shabbat?
Then the robbers know that they are not being recorded.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Yonah on October 02, 2019, 08:34:01 AM
Why can't you simply cover the camera (with something like a sticker or tape) for Shabbat?

Over time the glue on the sticker tape can ruin the camera's focus/lens
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Cholentfresser on December 10, 2019, 10:15:54 PM
One for the alarm, one for Ring:
Was that custom made? I can't find any shunt switches remotely similar to those online.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Dan on December 10, 2019, 10:25:25 PM
Was that custom made? I can't find any shunt switches remotely similar to those online.
Local alarm guy installed them.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Cholentfresser on December 10, 2019, 11:03:20 PM
Local alarm guy installed them.
ok
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on December 11, 2019, 01:12:37 AM
ok
Any kind of light switch will work though. Just need something to break the circuit.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Cholentfresser on December 11, 2019, 01:18:18 AM
Any kind of light switch will work though. Just need something to break the circuit.
A regular light switch would work for low voltage doorbell wires?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: thaber on December 11, 2019, 02:45:13 AM
A regular light switch would work for low voltage doorbell wires?
thats what he said. light switch stops electricity flowing from one side to the other, regardless of voltage.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on December 15, 2019, 07:43:24 PM
Exactly what I had done. Works like a charm
@bubbles @Ergel I found this on Amazon for $7, but the electrician I called was concerned about 2 things: 1) can this device go after the transformer when the power is 24v? and 2) if it goes before the transformer, is it safe to be cutting/restoring power to a transformer on a weekly basis?
Thanks for your advice/experience.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Cholentfresser on December 15, 2019, 07:50:18 PM
@bubbles @Ergel I found this on Amazon for $7, but the electrician I called was concerned about 2 things: 1) can this device go after the transformer when the power is 24v? and 2) if it goes before the transformer, is it safe to be cutting/restoring power to a transformer on a weekly basis?
Thanks for your advice/experience.
Wouldn't an electrician know the answers to those questions?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on December 15, 2019, 07:58:47 PM
Wouldn't an electrician know the answers to those questions?
I would have thought so, but 2 guys I called never saw something like this device before. And 1 said he doesn't think you can put it after the transformer bc you're now at 24v and the device says 90v. So I'm wondering what the guys here did who got it to work.
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Cholentfresser on December 15, 2019, 08:08:02 PM
I would have thought so, but 2 guys I called never saw something like this device before. And 1 said he doesn't think you can put it after the transformer bc you're now at 24v and the device says 90v. So I'm wondering what the guys here did who got it to work.
Is this an option?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=97433.msg2125611#msg2125611
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: @Yehuda on December 15, 2019, 08:12:58 PM
Is this an option?
https://forums.dansdeals.com/index.php?topic=97433.msg2125611#msg2125611
It's basically the same thing - something smart getting added to the line to cut the power to the doorbell - so I guess my question goes to @joeb1 also. can a switch handle the 24v after the transformer?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: Cholentfresser on December 16, 2019, 06:48:27 PM
Link for switch I used:
https://www.amazon.com/Smart-Wi-Fi-Light-Switch-TP-Link/dp/B01EZV35QU?mc_cid=6c0e78c542&mc_eid=43be528f8a
Does anyone know if smart light switches (similar to this one) have the ability to program them in advance what time to go on/off?
Title: Re: Disabling Ring doorbell for shabbos
Post by: joeb1 on December 17, 2019, 02:08:01 PM
yup they do