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Re: Iceland Master Thread My G-d, Svartifoss is so beautiful.

(Was just looking through my pics.)

September 07, 2016, 02:06:47 PM
@Yehuda's Icelandic A+venture! WOW! That’s the only word I can think of to start off this --- STOP! --- Before reading any further, go book a flight to Iceland right now! Then come back to read. You won’t regret it.

As I was saying, Iceland is simply “Wow.” From the countless – literally countless – waterfalls to the gorgeous hikes and breathtaking views, from living in a camper to getting up close and personal with icebergs, and to even playing with a puffin, Iceland is truly an awesome adventure trip. So, if you’re okay with keeping busy all day on vacation and not relaxing at a beach, then this is the trip for you. It absolutely should be the next trip on your list.

This planning section might be the longest I’ve ever put together. It will show how in love I am with this country and will hopefully aide those who are planning a trip. For many, I hope this section is helpful and interesting, but for those who find trip planning and award flight booking to be a bit boring, hang tight – I hope to get to the actual trip soon, I posted a "Cost Summary" at the end of this intro post, and here's a just a little teaser for later. ;)


Iceland has become quite the popular destination recently, but it hadn't crossed our minds until our friends went last summer. Their pictures and stories got us extremely interested in the country despite making us ask the same question that everyone seems to ask us after hearing we went – “Really…? Iceland?” But the answer is, “Yes, Iceland. Really.” Once our interest was piqued, I headed over to DDF to research. I’ll take a moment right now to thank SomethingFishy for his immense help in putting this trip together, answering so many of my questions, helping plan out the itinerary and even responding on the spot while we were stuck on the trip. Most of the background information I will share here came from my conversations with him. I also want to thank PBaruch who answered many of my questions and whose own trip report came in handy while planning. Finally, a shout out to ushdadude, lfas25 and Moishebatchy for their help as well in giving tips and answering questions.

Everyone’s first thought about Iceland is the Northern Lights/Aurora, but those are only visible (with rare exception) in the winter. A trip to Iceland in the winter is extremely different than in the summer, and while wanting to be adventurous, Fishy’s winter TR made it clear to me that a summer trip would be adventurous enough for our first trip. So, a summer trip it was, and no Northern Lights for us. While I’m sure they are amazing to see, there is so much more to Iceland as well. 

I’m an early planner, which meant that planning for this August trip began back in March. My first order of business was looking into how long you need for a visit. I learned that there are several classic trips that people do. Iceland has one main city, Reykjavik, with other, much smaller towns spread throughout the country. The country is encircled by a “highway” (read, 2 lane road), known as the Ring Road, and the middle of the country contains the mountainous/volcanic region called the Highlands, which are made up of difficult-to-traverse roads, known as F-Roads.

To cover the entire Ring Road with its many stops, you need to plan for at least a 2-week trip. I imagine even more time if you plan to also head inwards and explore the Highlands (which requires renting a car that can handle the F-Roads). No one I know has taken this long/intense of a trip yet, and I knew there was no way we’d have 2 weeks for the trip, so I opted for the second classic option. There’s no name for this trip, but you basically start in REK and follow the southern strip of the Ring Road until about halfway to the east coast, at which point you turn around and head back. While it may seem like you’re barely covering a quarter of the full Ring Road, this section is jam-packed with activities. This trip can be done in 4-5 days.

When you add in flight time, you basically need a week to do this trip comfortably. As there is no Chabad in Iceland (other than one that gets together for the Seder on Pesach), I didn’t want to be there over Shabbos. With that in mind, I went to my wife’s school schedule to see if I could find a full calendar week that she would be off. Because it was so early, her summer schedule was not yet released, so I had to research prior year schedules to try and determine when she would be off this year in between her spring and summer semesters as well as her summer and fall semesters. It was much harder than I thought as there were different lengths of summer sessions and each year didn’t seem to follow a pattern for how long the breaks would be, but I had a general idea and took a guesstimate that our best bet would be the end of August, after she finished her summer classes, but before the fall semester began. I told my wife of the plan, and she was excited, but warned me that if I was wrong with my dates, and she did in fact have class during that time, she would not miss class, and we would have to cancel the trip. I gulped, but agreed. Boy, would that come back to cause me some stress…

As the calendar flipped from July to August, my wife's school released the class schedule, and with less than a month to our trip, I realized our last day in Iceland would be her first day of classes. :-[ I couldn't believe it. I started looking into the idea of changing our dates to start in the middle of the previous week, then flying to London for Shabbos and back for a few more days in Iceland so that we could still get in 4-5 days on the ground while still getting back in time for classes. However, it was clear that the idea was bonkers. Then I remembered that her previous classes hadn't always started on the official first day of the semesters, so I decided to take matters into my own hands and contacted her teachers directly. That was more difficult than expected. There were 2 teachers I needed to reach, and after many emails and calls, I finally got through to the first one, who told me classes would not be starting on that first day, but rather the following week - hurrah! However, the second teacher was planning to start on that day, but also told me that my wife was only responsible to come to one of the first two classes and could technically miss one... So, I broke the news to my wife and after thinking about it, she decided that we could go on the trip and she would miss the one class! Thank you, Mrs. @Yehuda! :-*


Once I knew we needed a full week, I used Google Flights to determine what flights could get us to and from New York without keeping us in Iceland over Shabbos. I learned that the flight is just 5 hours long, that Delta has 2 Motzai Shabbos flights from New York (at least in the summer) and that both Delta and IcelandAir have Friday morning flights returning back to New York that, with the help of the time difference, land around noon on Friday. With Shabbos in August not starting until after 7PM, a noon landing would leave us plenty of time to get home in time for Shabbos.

So, I had the specific week I wanted to travel, and the 2 specific flights I wanted for the return. Talk about having flexibility when booking award travel. ::)

The next step was researching the best way to book the flights with miles. For the return with IcelandAir, only Alaska miles can be used, and although they don't require too many miles, they tack on a good few hundred dollars of fuel surcharges (YQ), which makes it silly to use miles for the flight. Delta on the other hand, doesn't charge YQ, but still had about $50 in Icelandic taxes and fees in addition to 30,000 miles each way. I also realized that on Delta’s later Motzai Shabbos flight, they were flying a 757 with lie-flat business class. With the plan of landing first thing Sunday morning and hitting the road running, I thought it would be wise to ensure we were in the best position to have as good of a night’s sleep as possible on a 5 hour overnight flight. Business costs 62,500 miles each way, but I figured it would be worth it to start our trip fresh and ready. I didn’t have close to enough Delta miles, so I knew I would have to transfer AMEX MR points to Delta to book the flights. That adds in another cost as AMEX charges a tax to transfer miles to a domestic airline, which would have been about another $50 per person. I did some research and found that Delta’s partner, Air France, could book the Delta flights for the same amount of miles and around the same $50 of Icelandic taxes, but without the transfer tax (since AF is a foreign airline). None of that research mattered though, since I couldn’t find the availability to use miles at the 62,500 price anyway. We were 5 months ahead of time, and I was checking several times a day. (Definitely a negative of planning early is driving yourself nuts constantly checking for availability. Plan later on, and there will simply just be less days that you can keep checking. :P )
With that option seemingly impossible, I began to look for other ideas. The cash price for one way in business and one way in coach was around $1250, while even flying roundtrip in coach was still $7-800. Neither of those seemed exciting to me. It’s quite well known around these parts that I am a big fan of using Barclays Arrival Plus points (A+) to redeem for travel costs that other miles can’t cover, and I expected to need a lot of them for the activities on this trip, but I was not ready to also use them for the flights that could otherwise be booked with regular miles. I then got in touch with someone who offered to book the flights for me for $400 roundtrip in coach, and I calculated that I could manage spending my A+ miles on the flights (and still having enough to do some activities), but he informed me that I would not be able to use my credit card nor my A+ points to cover the flights. Not interested in paying $800 cash for our flight expenses, I was left to ponder if there was still anything else to do.

I don’t remember where the idea came from, but at some point, I remembered about an often overlooked way to book travel – the Chase Ultimate Rewards and AMEX MR sites. Booking through these sites gives you a set value for your miles, so you pay based on the dollar cost of the flight, and therefore usually doesn’t give you a value close to what you could get by transferring your miles to airlines and hotels and booking directly through them. However, I found out that the AMEX Business Platinum card has a perk that if you book a flight through the MR site, they give you back 30% of the points! So, I got to work. Searching on the MR site for the flight didn’t help me because the site couldn’t piece together an itinerary with one leg in business and one leg in coach, so I had to call up to book. The agent pieced together the flights for me and quoted me close to the $1250 price I had seen in my prior research. That would require about 125,000 miles per person minus the 30% discount. He explained that they deduct the full amount of miles from your account at first, and then the discount would returned to me shortly afterwards. The rep also had no problem waiving the phone booking fee after I explained to him that this itinerary couldn’t be booked online. So, the total cost was 89,950 miles per person. Had I transferred MR to Delta miles, I would have paid 62,500 + 30,000 for a total of 92,500, and I would have had to pay the $100 in taxes and fees. Even if I would have sold the 90,000 miles, I would have only made about $1200 and still would have been slightly short to pay cash for the flights. So, I believe I found the cheapest way to book the exact flights I wanted. Our flights were booked several months in advance, with no more availability-searching necessary, and it was quite comforting to know that. Iceland was on!


I would say there are 3 ways to do the southern portion of the Ring Road. I guess there’s a 4th option where you visit the city of REK, spend all your time chilling in the city, seeing the landmark church and concert hall, going out to eat and maybe taking 1 tour outside the city to do something like the nearby Golden Circle. But, c’mon, that’s not a real trip to Iceland.

The Golden Circle, a day-trip from Reykjavik

The first real way people visit is to stay in REK and hire tour companies to drive you to the different activities. While that offers the comfort of having the tour company deal with driving and planning out the day while you simply just meet them in the morning, it limits you in having to follow their schedule, how far along the south road you can actually go, how many of the off-the-beaten-path activities you can get to and, most of all, adds a lot of unnecessary travel to your trip as, at the end of each day, you need to return back to REK. I was advised in the Iceland Master Thread not to go this route. (There are 1 or 2 main activities near REK, and I don't think it's a crazy idea to base yourself in REK on the days you do those activities.)

The next option is to rent a car, drive along the road on your own schedule and either sleep in hotels along the way or bring tents and camp at the plentiful campsites. Renting a regular car and bringing tents would probably be the cheapest way to travel in Iceland. The issue with hotels is that you won’t find name brand chains along the road (except for 1 expensive Starwood property that’s outside of REK but not in a convenient place along the Ring Road), but rather small mom-and-pop shops. Many are guesthouses/hostels where you might not get your own bathroom or have to pay more for a private room, but they can often be had for under $100/night.

- Camper Rental

The final option – the one we chose – is to rent a camper/RV, drive along at your own pace and park at campsites overnight. Technically, you can park at gas stations or even on the side of the road, but we decided to stay at official campsites with facilities, especially since our camper wasn’t going to have a bathroom or shower. It also felt safer to park at an official campground as opposed to the street and definitely something I was going to do on a trip with my wife versus if I was just with a bunch of guys. Researching campers was another long process I had to do. Renting a camper is a popular way to travel in Iceland, and therefore, there are many companies that offer rentals. I learned that an automatic camper was going to be much more expensive than a manual one (as expected in Europe), but I don’t know how to drive stick and wasn’t going to learn before the trip. I also learned that all the companies have a minimum 3 day rental requirement and, with the prices they charged, decided to rent the camper just for the 3 minimum days and then spend the last 2 days in a hotel in REK, doing the activities that I explained above are near the city. My final lesson was that the camper places sell out quickly, so book in as much advance as possible – more on that to come, unfortunately. I put together a spreadsheet to compare camper types among some of the main companies that I found on Google.

KuKu Campers came out to be the cheapest, but after Fishy posted about their public negative opinions towards Israel/Jews, I decided (as he did) not to use them. The next cheapest option – which happened to have the nicest looking camper and was very friendly in email exchanges – was Cozy Campers, so I booked with them and was all set for the adventure! Or so I thought…

Several weeks before the trip, I got an email from Cozy Campers telling me that their system was broken and allowed me to book despite having already been sold out! They apologized and recommended another company – which didn’t even come up in my initial research. I was quite disappointed because Cozy was the best/cheapest option. It was now just a few weeks before our trip, and I was somehow expected to find a new company that still had campers available!? I asked them if they could help in any way – perhaps speak with one of the other companies to help me get a discount or, at the very least, cover the difference in price between a new rental and their own rate – but the until-that-point cordial conversation took a sour turn, and they eventually stopped responding to me. My frustration reached an even greater point when I tried leaving a negative review on Trip Advisor, but was rejected under the terms of “not being able to leave a review for a rental that didn’t end up taking place.” >:(

During my original research, I had contacted CampEasy and asked if they could offer a discount to match some of the cheaper companies out there. Incredibly, they agreed to offer a 15% discount, which brought them in line with the price of CozyCampers (as you can see in the Excel screenshot). I had chosen Cozy simply because their pictures looked better. So, at this point, I reached out to CampEasy again and asked if they still had availability and if they could still offer that discount, and they said… yes! Thankfully, my camper was booked once again. It turned out that CampEasy hadn’t updated their pictures in a while because the camper we got was much nicer than the one pictured. :) The final price was 96,900 ISK (Icelandic Krona – but for the most part moving forward, I’ll only list USD prices) which at the time of booking was worth just under $800. They charged 15% (~$150) at the time of booking as a deposit and charged the rest later, at which time the currency conversion had gone up, so the total cost came out to about $830 for the 3 days, or $275/day. I had planned to cover that cost by paying with A+ miles but, I first had to consider which credit card would give me the best insurance for the rental. After a lot of research, I found that almost all credit cards specifically exclude RVs/campers, but thanks to whYME, I learned that Citi cards would in fact cover primary insurance on campers when rented internationally. Their exact terms are, “Any vehicle with more than two wheels that is meant to be driven on public roads.” I tried to get a Citi rep to send me written confirmation that campers would be covered, but the best I could get was a note put on my account. (I called back to see if a different rep could see that note, and they could. :) ) The problem was that the only Citi cards I had were an American Airlines Bronze card and the lower-level Hilton card. Both of those cards have foreign transaction fees, and knowing I would be charged in ISK, I accepted that I would essentially be paying 3% fees to get the insurance. I first noticed this when I paid the deposit and was hit with a 3% fee, but I was able to get Citi to waive it as a one-time courtesy (was only $4 or so). So, my plan was to keep the credit card hold during the rental on my AA Bronze card and then, after the rental (if there were no damages), ask them to just switch the card to my A+ and charge that one. However, that’s when I learned that they charged the full price upon pickup of the camper and not after returning it, which meant that they weren’t just putting a hold on my card, but actually charging it then. That meant I would have to convince them to refund me after the rental and then re-charge me on my A+ card. Aside from that, their CC machine gave the option to charge me in ISK or in USD, and the cashier chose FOR me by picking USD thinking she’d help me save money on the foreign exchange fee. Of course that’s too good to be true, and after some quick math, I realized their CC processor was obviously taking even more than 3% to “conveniently” let me pay in USD. I ended up being charged about $860 for the rental, so they charged me around $30, which is about 3.5% in fees. As you’ll see soon enough, unfortunately I didn’t even have to deal with trying to switch the CC after the rental and whatever currency fees I paid were welllll worth having insurance… :-[ Once I needed the insurance and couldn’t use A+, I covered the cost by paying for it with money I had earned from the Wells Fargo cash back card. So, my advice is to make sure you have a higher-level Citi card so you don't have foreign exchange fees and ensure they charge you in ISK and not USD - then you should be set for camper insurance internationally.

People say a camper can often be cheaper than the alternative of a car rental + hotel each night, but when there are cheap guesthouses you could technically stay at and when you need to pay the premium for an automatic camper, I don’t believe that to be the case. Nonetheless, the camper turned out to be much more than a means of transportation and sleep, it became an awesome part of our Iceland experience.

- Hotel

I couldn’t decide whether to do the 3 camper days first and then the 2 hotel days or vice versa, but my final thought process was that after 3 days of living in a camper, it would be nice to end the trip in a roomier hotel room with our own bathroom/shower. (Good decision.) For the 2 nights that we would be staying REK, I looked into the points hotel options. There are only 4 in REK – the Hilton Reykjavik Nordica (standard hotel), a Canopy by Hilton (brand new and extremely expensive) and two Radisson Blus (both pretty standard). Not having any Radisson points (both hotels required lots of them) or free nights from the Club Carlson credit card, I chose the Hilton at 40,000 points a night. Per reviews, it’s nothing special, but with rates over $250/a night, I decided to use the points. About a month before the trip, I was randomly thinking of future trips and realized how I might want to use Hilton points for a more exciting redemption one day – think Conrad Koh Samui in Thailand, Conrad Maldives, Waldorf Astoria Jerusalem – and started thinking twice about dropping 80,000 points for Iceland, when we definitely weren’t planning on spending much time at the hotel, and it wasn’t even supposed to be that exciting of a property. (Wow, look at me thinking of the opportunity cost of my miles! :P) I tried to think of other options, including AirBNB, Priceline Name Your Own Price, and simply, Expedia, etc., but nothing seemed too exciting and, a month before travel, all would likely have been $200+/night. Finally, I realized that I could get Club Carlson nights here on the forums. Not sure why I didn't think of that sooner, but I learned that these nights go for a lot less than Hyatt, Hilton, etc., and I was able to get 2 nights for just $100/night! I cancelled my Hilton reservation and grabbed the Radisson Blu Saga hotel (the other Radisson didn’t have availability, so it wasn’t an option to consider). Trip Advisor warned that the Radisson wasn’t anything special and was undergoing room renovations so “try to get into a renovated room or else you might see a lot of wear and tear and have bad air conditioning.” Those reviews left me quite confused after we saw the well-kept lobby, our modern room and the front desk agent told us there's no air conditioning in any of the rooms... But we’ll get to that much later.

- Car Rental

For the 2 days we’d be in REK, we needed a way to move around. After WAY too much itinerary planning, I decided that one day would be a tour day to go to Inside the Volcano where we would be picked up and dropped off, so we wouldn’t need a car. This was recommended by the tour company as they said it’s hard to find the activity location, but with 20/20 hindsight, I can tell you it’s not hard to find it, but we’ll get to that later on. The other day, we were going to do the Golden Circle, so we rented a car for it. Again, an automatic was going to be more expensive, and I couldn’t find anything relatively affordable. I’m not a pro with car rental codes and couldn’t find anyone who had any ideas for me. Eventually, someone suggested looking into SIXT since their top status (Platinum) gives you a discount on booking, and it’s easy to match to that status if you have other hotel/airline statuses. I matched from Hilton Diamond and noticed the rates go down by about 15%. I wanted to pickup and return in the local REK location, but going from there back to the airport would have meant a taxi and bus that would have cost around $45. Instead, for a $53 fee, I was able to make the rental a one-way and return the car at the airport location. For a couple dollars more, we were able to have a much more comfortable return journey to the airport. In total, the 1 day rental cost me about $115 or 11K A+.


Kosher food in Iceland is basically non-existent. We found random snacks with Hechsherim, including those mentioned by other travelers – Nature Valley bars, Popcorners and, of course, Coke products – but we also found some that we hadn’t known about before – some cereals like Cheerios and Honey Nut Cheerios, Baby Ruth bars and jelly beans from The Jelly Bean Factory (had an OU, but never heard of them before). Other than those snacks, everything is produced in Iceland or imported from Europe and therefore don’t have Hechsherim. Despite checking the packaging every time we saw Twix, Mars and Kit Kats, a Hechsher never appeared. :P

Knowing we were going to have to bring food with us, strategic planning went into action. For the 3 days we would be in the camper, we would have access to the included burner, which meant we could bring a pot and boil water for oatmeal for breakfast and tradition soups and pasta for lunch. For dinner on those nights, we took advantage of the included “fridge” (ended up keeping things about as cold as a cooler) to store hamburger patties, Jack’s sausages and chicken cutlets. After deciding not to rent a grill from CampEasy for $50 (and the fact that the grill rack wouldn’t be Kosher), I reached out to random Icelandic Twitter accounts and confirmed that we should be able to buy those prepackaged disposable grills (basically a foil pan filled with charcoal and covered with an metal rack) for a couple of dollars and decided we would pick those up locally instead of schlepping grilling stuff with us. For the last 2 days, we'd be without the camper and, therefore, would actually be in a worse situation since we wouldn't have a burner or grill, so we brought a loaf of bread and peanut butter for lunches and tuna, mayo, deli, wraps and, yes, even avocados for some nice wraps for dinner. Google taught me that keeping avocados in the fridge can extend their life a few days, so after buying the most unripe ones I could find and keeping them in the fridge until we left, they actually became edible at the perfect time when we were ready for our wraps. We also brought a bunch of Chewy and Special K bars and other snacks to keep us going throughout the day. All the food worked out well except for running out of snacks, which turned out to be fine as snacks were the only Kosher food we found locally anyway.

Cell Phone

After discussing with the guys who have gone before, I learned that our best bet would be to buy a Siminn SIM card. In the airport shop, they sell them in a package of 100 minutes, 100 texts and 1GB of data for $25. I figured we only really needed Google Maps and perhaps a few calls to our tour companies, so I though this would be perfect. BOY OH BOY, does man plan and G-d laugh…


Iceland is full of activities and while most of them are natural, many do cost money and need to be booked through a tour company. While the activities usually cost the same as activities you’d find in any other place, the fact that there are so many activities to do (and some that are just exorbitant), you need to budget a nice chunk of change for activities. With that in mind, I think eating Kosher is a blessing in disguise, as otherwise, we would have spent even more by going out to restaurants all the time. There are several tour agencies, but my friends told me about Arctic Adventures, which offers a 10% discount if you book 3 or more tours with them that are operated by them (I mention operated by them since they also act as a travel agency for tours operated by other companies). Having researched a few activities among different agencies, their prices were the cheapest after that discount. They were also super helpful via email and, most importantly for me, allowed me to charge my A+ card $1 to see how it posted on my statement, and it came up as a “Travel” charge and would therefore be eligible to redeem my A+ miles for. ;D I’ll go into detail about the activities as we get up to them, but in total, I spent $1450 or 140,000 A+ on our 4 main activities. Yeah, wow. I also pre-booked a glacier boat ride direct for $100 that I covered with 9,500 A+. I figured we didn’t need to book in advance any of our other activities and that was correct.

With the flights, camper, hotel, car rental, food, cell phone and most of the activities all figured out (and my itinerary planned out in great detail throughout this process), everything was set – on to the trip!

Cost Summary
Flights: JFK-KEF in J and KEF-JFK in Y for 89,950 MR per person
Camper Rental: $830 for 3 days covered with WF $
Hotel: 2 Club Carlson certs ($100 each) for 2 nights
Car Rental: $115 for 1 day covered with 11K A+
Activities: $1550 of pre-booked activities covered with 150K A+

September 29, 2016, 05:00:30 PM
Re: @Yehuda's Trips to DEN Labor Day 2016

My 15th trip to Denver was for Labor Day Weekend 2016. We flew SW out of EWR on Friday morning and returned out of DEN on Monday morning, landing in the late afternoon. After parking by my mother's house near EWR, she kindly drove us to the airport. As we walked up to the checkin counter, I reached into my pocket to grab my wallet, and my heart sunk. My wallet! After a brief freakout session, I realized I must have left it in my car back at my mother's house.

That moment when you get to the airport and realize you left your wallet at home.

Thankfully, we were there an hour and a half early, so I was able to run back, grab the wallet and make it back to the airport with enough time to still sit around the gate for 30 minutes before the flight. Phew. What a start, eh?

We landed in Denver a few hours before Shabbos, and my father in law graciously picked us up from our favorite door.

After a great Shabbos with family, we went out Motzai Shabbos to our favorite stop, Bonnie Brae.

Usually on a short weekend trip, we like to leave Denver early Sunday so that we get home with enough time to rest up before the week, but on a holiday weekend, we could leave on Monday, which gives us a full day Sunday to do a Coloradan activity. We decided to go to Seven Falls which is in the city of Colorado Springs. The trip took a little over an hour and passed by some beautiful Colorado scenery.

Timed perfectly as 2 trains passed by each other

When we arrived, we learned that you can no longer drive all the way to the parking lot by Seven Falls. Instead, your GPS will take you to a parking lot by the Broadmoor, a luxury hotel in CO, where you can park for free and take a free shuttle for the 5 minute drive to Seven Falls. There was a good 15 minute wait to get on a shuttle, which I have to imagine was due to the holiday weekend.

Once we arrived at Seven Falls, we waited on another line to purchase tickets. There was a shorter line for those who had purchased tickets online, and I was tempted to buy on the spot from my phone, but we decided to just wait it out as the line was moving quickly. The cost was $14 per adult. Finally, we were ready to head in!

There's a 15 minute walk from the entrance to the falls, where you walk along a stream (the resulting end of the falls) in between mountains. Alternatively, you could take a shuttle for about $2 instead of walking.

After the pleasant stroll, we arrived at the base of the falls. Seven Falls is aptly named due to the tall waterfall that breaks down into 7 separate sections. What makes this activity more than just seeing a waterfall is that there is 224-step staircase you can climb from the bottom to the top of the falls.

The climb was a bit nerve-racking as you felt the stairs tremble as you stepped and you could see through the holes in the metal below. We took a break to catch our breath at the halfway point platform and then trekked up the rest of the way.

Getting to the top is a bit anti-climactic as it doesn't end in some "wow" view, but it felt good to get back on solid ground. We sat down to rest up and then explored a bit. There are 2 paths through the forest, with a sign indicating that one takes 40 minutes roundtrip and leads to an overlook, while the other takes 20 minutes and leads to another waterfall. We opted for the shorter path till the waterfall, which was nice, but as impressive as the main falls.

We headed back to the stairs, took them down (much easier!), checked out the gift shop and then went for the second way to experience the falls. Here, you could either take the 100 or so stairs up the mountain or the elevator inside the mountain. We took the elevator, which led to a small platform atop the mountain that had the best view of the falls.


I'd say it's worth checking out both experiences. We took some pictures and then took the stairs down. We walked back along the stream, waited on line for the shuttle and took it back to the parking lot where we got the car and  headed back to Denver. For dinner, we went out to the East Side Kosher Deli. I went for something I hadn't had before, the Korean Short Ribs. They were full of flavor and not too fatty. That was basically it for the night and the trip.

The next morning at the airport, we picked up some Coffee Bean.

Unfortunately, I realized I had forgotten to check us in for our SW flight, so we got C boarding positions. (The ONE time we flew on a Monday instead of Sunday, so I could have checked in on Sunday as opposed to when checkin is normally on Shabbos. >:() At the gate, I was offered $40 to upgrade one of our boarding numbers to A6. I could have technically gone on my own and held a seat for my wife, but that's never comfortable, so we just decided we'd sit in the first middle seats we found, even though it meant we wouldn't be sitting together. In the end, this was kinda nice because we were able to get 2 middle seats in the first 5 rows. Before we knew it, we were landing back on the East Coast. Realizing we were by EWR at dinner time, we instinctively headed for New Kosher Special for our favorite Chinese food before heading back home.

Another fun trip to Denver!

October 09, 2016, 12:50:30 PM
Re: List of all Credit Card Master Threads
Thanks!  Wikify?
Please do!

October 16, 2016, 07:59:57 AM
Re: 2020 Election Pick Your ... Master Thread #Shapiro2020
November 18, 2016, 08:35:29 AM
Re: A quick getaway to the "Red City". A cliff notes TR of Marrakech. Nice welcome amenity.  ;D
December 05, 2016, 09:26:47 AM
Re: Price Guide Master Thread Very smart idea - thanks!
December 05, 2016, 10:12:31 AM
Re: Maui Master Thread
I'm looking to book hotel in Maui May 1-5, and just had my 100k reserve points post. Any suggestions for a good redemption?
I also have 35k SPG.
I saw some hyatt members wanted to keep globalist, happy to trade for points if thats possible (PM me).
We plan to do RTH, Sunrise hike Haleakala, warren and annebelle's, Black Rock snorkeling and Olivine Pools, we would consider one hotel change if that somehow makes booking easier.
Check the wiki for hotel recommendations. Also Haleakala doesn't require a hike, just fyi.

March 10, 2017, 06:43:50 AM
Re: London Master Thread
Harry Potter while Entertaining I wouldn't say that's London

And if your going for a day to London wouldn't you want to get a over view of the major places that are London
Like Big Ben, Tower of London, Tower bridge, London eye, Buckingham Palace , Selfridge's or Harrods
I listed the highlights of London, and then clarified that if you're a big Potter fan, skip all that and go on the tour. Until you're a huge Potter fan and you go on that tour, you won't understand why it's worth skipping the rest of London for that.

March 13, 2017, 02:33:22 PM
Re: Iceland Master Thread
Definitely far too short.

If it's on a stopover from Europe it may make sense to see a few of the top sights in this time frame, but to "experience Iceland"? Waaaay too short.
+1 Need 4-5 full weekdays to get a taste. See my trip report intro where I laid out a few of the classic Icelandic trips.

March 17, 2017, 03:39:20 PM
Re: Next Vacation - Ideas
I gave up searching until I get to a computer
Try using DDF in browser on phone. It's super small, but I like it way better than tapatalk.

March 24, 2017, 01:55:56 PM
Re: 1 day or 2 days in Israel
I don't get it. Why can't you just ask your LOR?
DDF is much more fun than LOR.

March 26, 2017, 08:21:44 PM
Re: Hogwarts hagadah on ddms Someone get rid of this troll.
March 27, 2017, 12:59:28 PM
Re: Venice Master Thread
Have some spg points . but don't know if wortgto use them here or not
The Gritti Palace and Hotel Danieli are supposed to be gorgeous. The Westin is very nice as well.

April 28, 2017, 11:53:08 AM
Re: Venice Master Thread
Alas, the property doesn't have points-based availability in June.  Is there a thread on DDF or elsewhere that lists the Venice properties that accept points and that are in a usable proximity to the ghetto (for Shabbos purposes)?
See the wiki.
I realize that it's going to take a bit more effort and careful watching with all the bridges and water but any major reasons not to go to Venice with a 2 year old?
Bring a baby carrier?

April 28, 2017, 04:37:19 PM
Re: Venice Master Thread Potential Shabbos issues at any hotel:
Electronic room door? Put your valuables in the safe, bring tape and tape your key card to the door jamb, leaving it unlocked at all times unless you're in the room, in which case you can lock the chain.
Lobby door? Call hotel and ask if they have a manual door.
Don't want to walk a lot of stairs? Call hotel and ask for room on low floor.
Shabbos candles? Most hotels won't officially allow you to light in your room, either light there and don't tell anyone or ask hotel where you can light (they might allow on front desk or in kitchen) or light at Chabad.

June 19, 2017, 09:47:02 AM
Re: Venice Master Thread
All true and thanks for the awesome advice. But I was hoping for someone to chime in with this specific property. It seems from the Wiki, from people's TR, and from JewishVenice that there are only a handful of "sanctioned" properties people are willing to recommend/try but this place looks great and has very high TripAdvisor ratings/reviews.
Just because DDFers haven't stayed here doesn't mean it's not good for Shabbos. Chabad probably listed a few options, but not every single one. Most DDFers either stay at a points hotel or AirBNB.

June 19, 2017, 10:18:37 AM
Re: Fairmont Nights Master Thread
Any chance I'll be able to find 4 nights from one person (assuming these are even available any more) or would it have to be 2+2?
Very unlikely to find 4 in 1 account.

June 21, 2017, 09:11:11 AM
Re: Private Island Paradise: Something Fishy's Anniversary Adventure Just had a chance to read up. Great job so far as usual. The master storyteller is at it again!
July 06, 2017, 08:25:00 PM
Re: Israel & Bali: around the world in 17 days Great new segments! Rosh Hanikra looks really cool - on my list for a future trip. Keep 'em coming!
July 18, 2017, 02:51:01 PM
Re: Israel & Bali: around the world in 17 days I'm glad you had lots to eat at all those breakfasts, because that Friday night dinner sounds pretty unsatisfying. :P ;D
July 21, 2017, 04:02:49 AM
Re: Rome Master Thread
Anyone ever stopped at EUR near the Sheraton in Rome, anything to see ?
My Rav told me to skip the vatican so I need a half day trip to fill up time.
Villa de este.

July 31, 2017, 07:05:01 AM
Re: Manhattan Kosher Restaurants
Meat or Dairy?
Meat. Supposed to be RC style.

August 10, 2017, 03:19:39 PM
Re: Switzerland Master Thread Beautiful!
August 30, 2017, 07:47:15 AM
Re: Mazal Tov MoisheBatchy on a Baby Boy! Mazel Tov! I hope you spoil him with lots of candy!
August 31, 2017, 11:55:03 PM
Re: Grand Hawaiian Holiday, by PBaruch (August 2017) Another great report by the Hawaiian Legend!
September 12, 2017, 04:40:11 PM
Re: Iceland Master Thread
Golden Circle
... But not the classic route. Geysir is, well, a geysir. You can see them in other laces and they're not all that exciting. Gullfoss it's hard to get a good view of and is less impressive than Niagara is even other falls in Iceland. Instead, if you can still book a Silfra snorkel trip and then head past the other  activities I mentioned (maybe stop for 5 minutes each as that's all they take) and head to Secret Lagoon, that would be a fun day with unique experiences. If you could somehow pull off seeing Skogafoss (1.5 hours from the lagoon and not in there direction of the airport), you'll see a much more awesome falls than Gulfoss, and get a lot closer too.

September 17, 2017, 07:33:34 AM
Re: Iceland Master Thread
Thanks for the tip @yehudah It saves allot of time to skip Geysir and Gullfoss. (also I don't think its recommended to go scuba diving right before you get on a plane something to do with air/ear pressure)
What I would like to do is 4:30am rent a car and drive to Ţingvellir national park on the way hope to see northern lights. (I know its a small chance but i hope)
Daven shachris vasikin
Go to Keriđ crater
Then Hveragerđi
Reykjavik What to do depends on the time (any ideas?)
Then back KEF
I figured about $200 $100 for the rental $100 for gas ($7 a gallon!!!) If any yeshiva buchor wants to join me for this trip (Wed. Morning Sept27 4:50am-6:15pm) let me know
Any insights on this itinerary would be very helpful Thanks allot
As Something Fishy said, go snorkeling, not scuba diving :). I missed Kerid myself, so I can't comment. Hveragerđi is a free option, but from pics it just looks like a stream. Secret Lagoon was a large hot pool (temp of a hot tub even!) and cost about $20-25. Was a real treat. Don't know what to do in Reyk.

@yehuda's idea of going to see Seljalandsfoss is a solid one, I would recommend that. The road out and back is stunningly beautiful. (@yahuda actually recommended Skogafoss, but I believe he meant to say Seljalandsfoss. The former is much further away and not nearly as interesting.)
I actually meant Skogafoss, but I forgot about Seljalandsfoss and I agree it's also a great experience plus closer than Skogafoss - so, good recommendation! I still think Skogafoss was the most powerful falls we saw, but being to walk behind Seljalandsfoss was very cool.

Neither Skogafoss nor Seljalandsfoss are worth a trip out thataway, IMO, but I'd go anyway because of the drive.  Google maps says Skogafoss is just 26 minutes further, and you can see Eyjafjallajokull along the way.  There's a small visitors center on E15.  Just driving along the ring road gives you a feel for Iceland, that I enjoyed very much.  Looming glaciers, meltwater rivers, Icelandic ponies, a sod house or two.  I would definitely do this over Thingvellir, especially if you're not going snorkeling there.

The one thing I regret not doing, is checking out Viking World, or even the national museum (in Reykjavik?).  Iceland=Vikings to me, and most other stuff you can do/see elsewhere.
I kinda agree with this itinerary over the Golden Circle if you won't be doing snorkeling or Secret Lagoon. Drive from KEF straight down the highway along the southern border - nicer drive than the Golden Circle drive. You could even pass by Hveragerđi if you wanted and then see Seljalandsfoss and maybe continue on to Skogafoss then turn back. I didn't plan seeing Eyjafjallajokull properly, unless all it is is looking from the highway, because I didn't see much - just a white capped mountain in the distance. If there is a specific viewing point, I missed it. Passed by the visitor center but heard it wasn't worth visiting on a week-long trip, so I'd say kal v'chomer on a 13 hour stopover. My friends said the viking museum was boring. Iceland=Vikings? Iceland=beautiful sights, not museums... But, I know, to each their own.

September 18, 2017, 10:15:57 AM
Re: Private Island Paradise: Something Fishy's Anniversary Adventure What a trip! Thanks for taking the time. Really enjoyed. You are a master storyteller and photographer.
September 19, 2017, 11:49:26 AM
Re: Maui Master Thread
Any recommendations for snorkeling gear to buy on amazon in advanced of my trip to hawaii?
I liked this, but you just have to be careful when adjusting the clip, as I wasn't and it cracked off.
Note different colors have different prices.

December 08, 2017, 08:09:16 AM
99 cents Philips LED bulbs (60w equivalent) Free shipping on the 20-pack. Tax was $1.55 to NYC.

10-pack costs $5 shipping even if combining in cart with a 20-pack.

December 12, 2017, 12:51:46 PM
Re: Orlando Master Thread
Flying from NYC to orlando for Sunday-thursday in March. Any ideas of where to go from there for a the weekend (thurs-Sun) before we head back to NY? Either a drive or short flight. Ive been to Miami several times. Was wondering what the next best thing would be for a "beach/pool" weekend.
If you don't need a Minyan, there are lots of nice resorts on the Gulf Coast of Florida and several Chabads that will deliver food to those hotels.

December 15, 2017, 08:03:47 AM
Re: Rubashkin freed from prison.
There is no sentence to long for a traitor.
But he's a broooother! How can we not rejoice for a brother?? Well, if his Kippah doesn't match ours, maybe then we don't need to rejoice...  :-\

December 20, 2017, 10:55:57 PM
Re: Rubashkin freed from prison. Ok boys it's time to call it a night. What a day b"h! Topped off with Shaps hitting 1M followers!
December 20, 2017, 11:08:40 PM
Re: Re: Paris Master Thread Nice report! Thanks for taking the time to post it. I agree that Las du Falafel was the best falafel I ever had.
December 23, 2017, 08:41:14 PM
Re: Merry Christmas to all (those celebrating tomorrow!)
It was a very good night indeed!!!
Happy to hear! Don't forget to leave out the milk and cookies.

December 24, 2017, 10:58:27 PM
Re: Newark EWR Airport Parking Master Thread Revere, Nottingham, Exeter, etc. You talked to the wrong person.
December 28, 2017, 03:40:39 PM
Re: "Rare" Award Space Master Thread Please no discussion on this thread. Also, this thread should be renamed to "Post when there's award space on a United flight to Israel."
January 04, 2018, 01:58:48 PM
Re: Request - An accurate forehead thermometer
Nothing is going to be as accurate as the under-tongue.
Isn't rectal the most accurate? Although, at my kid's last appointment, the nurse went forehead, which caught me off guard.

January 08, 2018, 04:29:18 PM
Barreling down Niagara Falls on @Yehuda’s First Trip with a Baby! At 7 weeks old, it was time for us to take our first trip with DD (dear daughter)! We thought it would be easier to do a driving trip than a flying trip (not sure we were right), plus my wife had never been to Niagara, so it was decided. I briefly considered flying to BUF, but between the lack of miles availability and the cost of renting a car/taxiing from BUF to Niagara and back nixed that plan pretty quickly; a road trip it would be! An extended July 4th weekend was a great amount of time to experience Niagara, but between the US holiday weekend and being the 150th Canada Day, it meant we were in for a boatload of traffic.

Day 1 – Friday, 6/30
We left Friday morning, and with a ~6 hour trip ahead of us, I planned stops every 2 hours to break up the trip with DD. What I failed to do was properly lay out the stops with her eating schedule, so we ended up stopping a few more times than expected. But that was okay because traveling long distances on Erev Shabbos is always a good idea, right!? *foreshadow*

2 hours from home we stopped at Krispy Kreme in Scranton. With so many delicious-looking doughnuts, it was hard to choose. I liked how they package them up in the little box and have the touristy hats to put on. After we ate, it was time to feed DD, which worked out well, before getting back on the road.

About 2 hours later, we arrived at the Corning Glass Museum ($20 admission). It was definitely more interesting than a classic art museum, but we didn't think it was as exciting as others made it out to be. We had been fortunate to see glass blowing in Murano, so the demonstrations here didn’t interest us, despite being a much better production that the 5 minute show we got in Italy. The museum is huge, but we went through it relatively quickly (still spent 2 hours there), including another meal time for DD. Being allowed to bring a stroller in was very helpful.

My sciencey wife loved this section

Up-close this looked like a mess of glass cups, but from afar, the trees came into sight

We were now 2 hours away from Niagara, with no more stops planned, when we hit holiday traffic. Google Maps changed our route (off the DDF-recommended scenic route, although still with nice farm views), but we were now scheduled for a 3 hour drive, which meant we had to pull over to feed DD again. When we finally got to the Rainbow Bridge (I know it's not the recommended bridge to take, but we trusted Gmaps), traffic was absolutely crawling and DD was screaming. As the clock ticked towards Shabbos, I realized we had no shot of getting there with breathing room. 15 more minutes and having only moved 50 feet, and there would be no time for showering. 10 more minutes and just a drop closer meant candle lighting was in danger. We got our first view of the falls from the bridge, but couldn’t appreciate it due to the stress of the clock. As we got to the customs window, I nervously pulled out our driver’s licenses and a copy of DD’s birth certificate. I had been told you need the original birth certificate, but had applied for DD’s passport just days before the trip, not realizing they keep the original birth certificate during the process. Luckily, I had made a copy of it beforehand and was told it would be up to the customs agent to let us through or not. I was ready to beg if there was a problem, but fortunately, he had no issue with it. Unfortunately, there was another problem. “These are your licenses… where are your passports?” OUR PASSPORTS!? I recall for some reason telling myself while packing that you only need a license to cross the border. “Sir, you know you’re going into another country, right? You need a passport to do that…”

I don’t think I need to describe my wife’s face at this time. I apologized profusely to the agent for leaving our passports behind, and thank G-d he let us through. I gunned it out of there for the 10 minute drive to our hotel, the Four Points by Sheraton Niagara Falls Fallsview, which is on the Canadian side (not to be confused by the hotel with the same name without the word "Fallsview" which is on the US side) booked for 3K SPG/night for 2 nights. The DDF tip of parking at the casino across the street for cheap didn't work out because we didn't have time to walk from there to the hotel, plus the sign outside didn’t say $5 this time (I think it was $35), as makes sense on a holiday weekend. We pulled up to the hotel with just a precious few of the 18 minutes left, gave the car to valet ($33 a day, gulp!) and ran inside. We checked into our room and were upgraded to a jacuzzi room on a low floor as requested in advance. Being on a low floor meant no view of the falls, but the choice was an easy sacrifice when carrying a stroller, and we would have a nice room view later on in the trip. We had 5 minutes and then ran downstairs to light candles just in time. Not the way you want to start a trip or a Shabbos, but we made it! I didn't take pictures, but here is the room from the hotel's site.

Chabad offers wonderful Shabbos meals for $120 a person in the basement ballroom of this hotel, which is incredibly convenient for a hotel that only costs 3K and is across the street (within a small Eruv) from the Chabad Shul. We sat with random people at our table, and of course it turned out that one guy was our friend’s uncle. There was a generous amount of food and a friendly Chabad Rabbi running the show who made everyone introduce themselves, and surprisingly very few people fought hard enough to abstain from participating. A large Israeli tour group took up 5 tables and kept us entertained (for lack of a better word) with Sefardi Zemiros/t :P during the meal. Thankfully, DD slept in her Doona at dinner.

Day 2 - Shabbos, 7/1

Shacharis across the street was fully packed, even on the women’s side. Throughout Shabbos, the Rabbi gave several pitches about the work he does for the community, and he must really know what he’s doing because people were donating 100 x Chai easily at almost every Aliyah. Lunch was equally as nice as dinner. In the afternoon, while others went for a walk to see the falls, we were confined to the Eruv, so we walked the 5 minute total area of the Eruv a few times and hung out in the relatively small lobby playing games we brought with us until Mincha/Shalosh Seudos/Maariv.

We didn't do much on Motzai Shabbos, although Chabad has incredibly worked out with the hotel to get separate swimming hours for men/women on Motzai Shabbos. The hotel is attached to an arcade and shopping center and has a Starbucks inside that they gave us free drink vouchers for.

Day 3 - Sunday, 7/2
We started the day by going on a walk to try and see the falls. I don’t know where people saw them from on Shabbos, but walking around the plazas nearby led us to views entirely blocked by trees and landscaping. Plus, the closest street we found was still a few stories above the ground level of where the falls are. We actually passed the Falls Incline Railway which gives people a nice view of the falls and takes you down to falls/ground level, but between the long line, planning on getting a nice view later on in the trip and not actually wanting to go all the way down now, we turned back to the hotel.

This is where we learned a mistake re: traveling with a baby. Packing up to switch hotels on just a 4 night trip was rough and ended up killing half the day. While this hotel was really convenient for Shabbos and is right next to the 2 Kosher restaurants that are in the Chabad building, it's further from basically all the activities we wanted to do, so we spent the next two nights in the more "fun" (touristy) area, Clifton Hill. Before leaving this side of town, we got lunch at Top Nosh. The place was very heimish from the slow ordering process, to no one clearing tables, to the long wait for food to the salad being just a dumped out bag of Dole lettuce, but having hot Kosher food in Niagara that actually tasted good was really appreciated. $40 was a bit steep for what we got, but makes sense being far from home.

We stayed at the Sheraton on the Falls (not to be confused with Sheraton at the Falls on the US side - seriously, Sheraton, you gotta fix these names!) for 10K SPG/night for 2 nights. While it should have only been 5 minutes away, with the holiday traffic the drive (and each return trip to the restaurants) took 15-20 minutes.

On the way over, we passed by the Skylon Tower, which I planned to skip before the trip because why pay to go up and get a view if you can get a hotel room on a high floor with the same view? At the hotel, we did valet again as it was just easier with the baby. Resort and valet fees were $55 after some of it was comp'd due to the long wait times for our car we had a few times. For cell service, we took the advice of turning our phones to network only which avoided roaming and was supposed to pick up the US signal. It didn’t work at all at the first hotel (but wifi did the job), but at this one and at the different activities we went to, we were able to pick up service. We were very happy with our upgraded room with a view of both the American and Canadian/Horseshoe falls. You’ve been patient enough until now, so you can finally have a picture of the falls.

View from the room, both falls

View from the room, American Falls

View from the room, Candian Falls. Yes, there’s always a huge mist blocking the view

It was after 3PM by the time we headed out for the day – as I said before, switching hotels with the baby really impacted the day. There are activities packages you could buy but before the trip I had seen that none of them offered all the activities we wanted to do and were not good deals once you factor in that you’re also paying for all the activities you aren’t interested in, so we paid for each activity on its own Chabad supposedly offers individual activity deals besides for their J-Pass package, but they were not very organized with this, and I never had a good chance to meet with them to buy tickets. We headed down for the 10 minute walk to the Rainbow Bridge with a plan to walk across to America to Goat Island and Cave of the Winds. Halfway there, I realized I forgot DD’s birth certificate copy, so we returned to the hotel. On round 2, as we approached the exit to leave Canada, we were greeted by signs warning us to bring our passports with us or else be refused entry back in. I totally forgot about this consequence of not having our passports, despite having written in my trip planning notes for this activity – “need passports” >:(. My wife said no way were we taking the chance again, so we returned back to the hotel again, frustrated but determined to make something work today. We’ll just save COTW for next time!

While you can take the WeGo bus system to basically any activity, we decided to drive <10 minutes to the Whirlpool Aero Car ($12). We parked in the free lot, having finally arrived at our first activity of the day after 4PM. The line was about 10 minutes, and we enjoyed the views while riding the 100-year old cable car across the gorge and back with DD in a baby carrier.

The whirlpool below us

Up next, we drove 2 minutes back towards the hotel zone along the Niagara River to the White Water Walk ($10). The lot is across the street infront of some Asian temple-looking building, and you can get a validated ticket to put in your windshield. The line was decent as you have to wait for an elevator down through the cliffside into a tunnel that lets you out really right on the edge of the water. Strolling along the boardwalk watching and listening to the rapids was a great activity to do with a stroller.

Back at the hotel, I dropped off my wife and daughter for bedtime, while I went through traffic to Chabad for Shul. Chabad does not have a lot, but there is street parking with a muni-meter that costs $3 for an hour or two. Afterwards, I picked up food from the fleishig restaurant, Taste, which is literally separated from Top Nosh by a curtain. $40 got us wings, chicken fingers, fries and drinks, which again was slightly on the more expensive side, but understandable. Back at the hotel, we sat by the floor-to-ceiling window with the fireplace turned on enjoying really good food while watching the falls light and fireworks show. Sorry, iPhones don’t do so well at night, through glass and with bright lights outside.

Day 4 - Monday, 7/3
Included in the resort fee is a free photo at the Hershey store down the block, so we headed there in the morning. First, we passed by a Coca Cola store and stopped in.

From there we continued down the block to the Hershey store where we got our picture taken in front of a large Hershey Kiss with a fake Niagara background. The kind of thing I’d never pay for at one of these places, until… later today.

Up next we walked for 5 minutes to Hornblower Cruises ($22), where we encountered extremely long lines. However, there were signs everywhere to buy tickets online from your phone and skip the wait. There were a few people doing this so we joined them and 5 minutes later, had tickets that allowed us to literally skip over an hour’s wait. I don’t understand why everyone wasn’t doing it. There was still a 20 minute or so line but a lot of it was covered from the sun and before we knew it, we were handed our red ponchos and boarding the boat. We brought along the Doona raincover, which kept DD dry, although there is also a closed off area on the lower deck that is protected from the water. The ride is not that long but really shows you the enormity and power of both falls, particularly the Canadian Horseshoe that has such a thick mist rising you can’t see once the boat gets close. We didn’t really get that wet, although we weren’t standing in the biggest splash zone on the boat.

A boat setting off towards the falls

American Falls

Yellow ponchos at Cave of the Winds on the American Side. The small section of falls on the right side is called the Bridal Veil Falls

Approaching the Canadian Falls and their great mist

Having a great time sleeping while up close and personal with the falls

Back on solid ground, we walked over to Clifton Hill, which is a super touristy street full of arcades, haunted houses, mini golf, wax museums, Ripley’s, Guinness and the Sky Wheel. This is a really fun area that I’m sure kids just a bit older than DD would have a blast at. Best part was that they had a Dippin’ Dots! We decided not to do any of the activities mostly due to having a stroller with us, so we just walked around.


We made a quick stop back at the hotel to feed DD and eat something ourselves and then we continued our activity-filled day by driving to the Botanical Gardens (free, $5 parking). The gardens were not the grandest we’ve ever seen, but it was a calm place to stroll around with DD and there were several nice spots for photos. Within the gardens, we went to the Butterfly Conservatory ($12). Pushing the stroller within the enclosure was a little difficult due to the large crowds but it was our first time at one of these butterfly places, and we really enjoyed.


Heading back towards the hotel, we stopped at Bird Kingdom ($15), a combination museum/random artifacts the founder collected and bird sanctuary. Some birds were very playful and followed us around, and some were quite exotic. The highlight was being able to hold parrots, and because we weren’t allowed to take a picture with our phones, we agreed to buy the official picture, going against my policy mentioned earlier. :P I recommend stopping in (you can skip quickly through most of the museum part).

From there we went to Shul and this time sat down for dinner at Taste.Again, we chose simpler foods like chicken fingers instead of the $70 steak or $40 chicken. We also got our favorite, hot chocolate cake with ice cream, spending $65 in total. Back at the hotel we caught another fireworks show. Really recommend getting a hotel room with a view as the night shows are pleasant to watch before going to bed. I’m not really a food picture guy, but here’s what I got after I realized halfway through the meal I didn’t take any food pics for you guys.

Those fries were really good


Patriotic tonight

Day 5 – Tuesday, July 4th
Today was heading back day on a beautiful Fourth of July.

Getting over the border was quick, and we said our goodbyes to the falls from the Rainbow Bridge and Canada – until next time… when we bring our passports!

Knowing that we had a 6 hour journey ahead of us, I once again planned several stops. And as with last time, the first few stops worked out well with DD’s feeding schedule, but after that, things didn’t go as smoothly. Our first stop was 1.5 hours away at the Strong Museum of Play ($15) in Rochester, although it wasn’t exactly 1.5 hours on the way home as it was not on the most direct route. The place was ginormous. An incredibly well done museum of all the toys and games you can think of. From babies/kids toys to superheroes, video games (free!), arcade games, a room full of pinball machines, board games, antiques and computerized versions of games (like Rush Hour and Connect 4) – it was room after room of just endless games. It’s really a shame that it’s so far from NY because it would be a great full Sunday activity with kids. It was stroller friendly and obviously DD didn’t know what was going on, but we had a really great time.

Funhouse-style room

Play supermarket


Before we knew it, we had spent 2 and half hours here and could have easily spent more, but we were still so far from home. For our next stop, I spent time researching where we could find a nice play to eat lunch by the Finger Lakes. I found that highway 14 runs down along Seneca Lake and 1 hour after leaving the museum (this time definitely in the direction home), we pulled over at a grassy area with benches overlooking the beautiful lake.

It was now 2:30 and we still had 4.5 hours to drive. The last stop I had planned was only 15 minutes from the lake, which meant just a quick car ride now, but… an extremely long stretch afterwards. We arrived at Watkins Glen State Park to hike the waterfall-filled path. The main entrance is under construction, so Google Maps had no idea where to send us, so we got lost for 20 minutes. Finally, we found the parking lot. Entrance is free, but parking costs $8. We strapped DD into the baby carrier and followed the larger than expected crowd (although to be fair it was a holiday) along the path. With 20/20 hindsight, we should have spent 20 minutes checking out the first few falls and then turned back. Those were the most impressive falls on the whole hike which should more accurately be called a step climb (that only went up). Once we realized what was going on, we were too far to return so we trekked on, sweating and exhausted (although, walking through the “canyon” provided shade most of the way). The whole climb took around 1-1.5 hours till we emerged at the other end. I knew that an unofficial shuttle drives back to the parking lot for $5 cash per person, so I brought money with me. By the time the beat up school bus showed up and the driver took care of his business, waited for more passengers and drove 5 mph, we didn’t pull out of the park until 6pm. The park was pretty, but again, I recommend going in just for the first 2-3 falls then turning around (and try to avoid going on a packed holiday). What we should have done was skipped such an active activity like this and just made our last stop back at Krispy Kreme again… mmm…


It was now 6pm and we still had over 4 hours to go with no more stops planned – not that we wanted any, we were ready to go home. But DD was not having it and she screamed and cried on-and-off while we drove. It was not a fun ride to say the least, but we made it home after a long day’s drive. Niagara was a blast, and we had a great time once we settled in learning how to deal with a baby on vacation. To the next trip!

February 08, 2018, 11:44:58 AM
Re: Ask AJ Edelman Anything: DDF Member And Member Of The 2018 Israel Olympic Team! Great job AJ!
February 15, 2018, 08:29:59 PM
Re: Need Help: Booking Delta through KAL for LAX to HNL It doesn't work like that- you need to have saver available on or else KAL can't book it at all, for any price, unfortunately. In general it's a good idea not to transfer points to an airline until you confirm saver space is available with the airline your flying and then checking with the airline you're booking with that they can see the space to book.
February 21, 2018, 07:57:53 AM
Re: Trip planning for second honeymoon
Sun-Thurs trip to Israel? :o

I would only pick 1 city and stay there. I wouldn't even schlep from Venice to Rome and kill half a day. Would either do Paris or Rome for 3 days.

March 09, 2018, 10:55:36 AM
Re: London Master Thread
Do you have to get there early? I've read that the lines can bee long.
I didn't get there early and there's wasn't much of a line to see the jewels. I had bought tickets in advance to the tower.

March 18, 2018, 07:43:34 PM
Re: 2018 Arctic Expedition
The pictures are true to life here.
Wow! I didn't know they could look like that without edits.

April 08, 2018, 01:04:41 AM
Re: Quaker Life Breakfast Cereal Variety Pack,(4 boxes) 52 Ounce $6.01 Vanilla is gross. So it's 3 boxes for $6 then.  :P
April 30, 2018, 01:51:45 PM
Re: Dan in the news:) Will this bring in more traffic than the ElAl glitch?
May 02, 2018, 03:36:01 PM
Re: Niagara Falls Master Thread
im driving in July from New York city to niagra falls (canadian side)..anyone who has done this trip from NYC, care to share somme good stopping points/attractions on the way? i have a 7 and  9 year old
I've listed a bunch of stops at the end of the wiki, and you can read my TR as well.

June 13, 2018, 06:00:51 PM
Re: Oh uh - El Al #LY8 from JFK to Tel Aviv is diverting to Gander  How has a mod not changed the title to "uh oh" yet?
June 17, 2018, 01:16:47 AM
Re: Cancun, Mexico Master Thread
If you had to choose between these 3, which would it be? Looking for overall nicest



JW Marriott based on my limited research

July 05, 2018, 11:57:32 PM