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Re: Masks and Covid
I never took it to mean anything other than a verbal attack.

Knowing the ilk, you could have probably identified them as libs based on their body language and intonation, even before they finished uttering the first word out of their mouths.

Knowing the elk, you could have probably identified them based on their light beige “rump patch” and typically contrasting darker legs and neck to their lighter bodies even before they finished uttering the first word out of their mouths.

Seriously? If it wasn't you I would say go find a different place to troll!

May 25, 2020, 12:15:57 PM
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Re: Best Way To Stream A Shiur On The Kav Hatairich (Jewish International Dateline)? How about have the guy give the shiur on the other side of the dateline, and then he can answer the questions before they get posted.
May 25, 2020, 12:19:05 PM
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Re: Master List of limited time opportunities created by the COVID-19 crisis
How do we know when you’ve reached that amount of sarcasm to get through the day? Sometimes it’s difficult for us to bear it and we just have to brave ourselves till you’ve reached your fill.
It does seem that you need more these days

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May 25, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
This is nothing more than standing on the graves of all those who have succumbed to this dreadful plague.

Nice try, Ben wannabe  :P

May 25, 2020, 10:09:28 PM
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Re: Antisemitism related to Coronavirus
@Dan I always marvel at your patience. I've always wondered if Eleff was shortened from Elephant, because you seem to have the patience of one.

I have a memory like an Eleffant.

Since when do elephants have patience?

May 25, 2020, 10:40:57 PM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
No one disagrees that many, if not most, of the "calculated" openings make no sense. I think that @Yehuda57 is right, in that the frustrations about the regulations not making sense are causing people to abandon the facts and all reason when it comes to that actual virus itself. If you keep the argument to your issues with government inefficiencies, we'll probably agree on much more. But when you bring the costs of the lockdown for suicide and anxiety, and risks of younger people being negligible, so precautions taken to avoid getting sick are misguided, that's where you lose me. The science is what it is, and just because we're missing some of it, doesn't mean we abandon safety until we learn more.

The risks of lockdown are so much worse than this upticks in anxiety, and having stricter lockdown advocates continually minimizing them is as frustrating as it is to you when you feel people are being reckless about other people's lives.

How many people had cancer treatments paused because of lockdown? Thousands. How many will die because of that? Unknown. I know of one person who was informed last week that because of his missed treatments, his cancer has advanced too far to be treated when he had been treatable pre covid.

How many people had hip or knee replacements and haven't been able to have the required physical therapy? I have a relative who had an ACL repaired, a meniscus removed, and was in the midst of therapy which was put on hold for two months (and counting). There's no telling the long term effects of that - from early-onset arthritis to his leg not fully recovering altogether.

Just today the NYT had a story talking about all the deaths caused by people not making it to the hospital in time.

There are the special needs kids who cannot get their therapy remotely, and cannot go to school remotely and need constant supervision from their parents who haven't been able to work remotely even if their job allowed for it.

Thousand upon thousands have lost everything. And I mean everything. I happen to be extremely lucky to have a job I could do remotely and a home I could escape to away from my apartment. But what of my neighbors who don't have such jobs? Neighbors who have been couped up in a one, and two-bedroom apartments for more than two months with anywhere from 1 to 6 kids?

This is a tiny drop in the bucket.

Believe me, we know how bad Corona is. We don't want a second wave. We've buried enough people. But we also know that the however bad the lockdown is, we haven't even begun to see the long term effects it is going to have. People are sick of being called "grandma killers" and cold-hearted murderers who never think of the yesomim.

People would be far more inclined to heed your concerns if there was a drop more empathy in your posts and if you acknowledged even slightly the dangers of these long lockdowns. People aren't just giving up because they are "fed up" - people are barely hanging on by a thread.

May 26, 2020, 12:30:35 AM
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Re: Corona virus and your shul
Here's an overshare for you: I worked in buying and selling concert tickets. My industry is gone, and will take forever to come back. When it does, I won't be in it. I have a ridiculous amount of debt because of the business, and if not for mortgage deferment programs, I'd be well on my way to losing my house. I have 2 sisters who work with special needs kids in NY, so I'm well aware of the struggles there. Cancer... my FIL just finished chemo for his third type of cancer, and is lucky to have finished when he did, so I'm not insensitive to that, either. As I've shared previously, I had the wonderful experience of having a baby during this time, with other kids in the house all day, and the only family to help is said high-risk FIL. All of the mental health stuff? I think we've covered enough of that. I get that people don't know these things about me when I post, and I may come off and cold and uncaring. I hope this puts my opinions into some sort of perspective.

I really and truly wish you the best, and hope you come out of this better and stronger. But this is the whole point. There's no pity scorecard. We're all getting hit in different directions, some harder than others. But the continued assertions that people clearly don't care and the constant downplaying of the risks and hardships of the lockdown are making things worse.

We have been in agreement on this topic pretty much from the beginning of this plague. So why have I been arguing with you this week? Perhaps because we do agree so much that when I see your arguments being made with such a dismissive tone it pisses me off way more than if it would be someone else  I don't agree with at all.

You have said that if one person takes more precautions because of your posts it will all have been worth it, and that's true! I just don't think anyone will take your arguments seriously when you stake out so haughty a position that anyone who argues with you clearly doesn't care about people dying.

May 26, 2020, 01:06:17 AM
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Re: Compliant weddings
and all the Yehudas

Why thank you, dear sir.

Ever humbly yours,

The Guy Who Didn't Realize There Already Were 73 Yehuda Based Screen Names When he Joined DDF

May 26, 2020, 01:31:14 AM
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Re: Lawsuits Ellejing Religious Discrimination - Covid 19 This title makes me want to jump off ellej
May 26, 2020, 10:14:44 AM
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Re: Master List of limited time opportunities created by the COVID-19 crisis
People who price gouged and potentially kept PPE out of the hands of those who needed it most? I find myself wishing they were stuck with inventory they bought at high prices just so they get bit in the @$$ by their greed.

I'm sure there were plenty of price gougers. But there are so many who would be labeled as such were and are not. When the world's biggest manufacturer gets shut down for weeks, the backlog increases drastically and prices shoot up. Even manufacturers who aren't going through brokers and middlemen have seen prices shoot up on some products by >300%. And this is just on a few products that I know about.

May 26, 2020, 11:58:46 AM
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