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Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
33% reduction in asymptomatic cases can be consistent with 80% efficacy against symptomatic cases.
We also don't know when the asymptomatic people contacted the virus, they may have contacted it weeks before receiving the vaccine.

January 12, 2021, 02:20:03 PM
Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
They only use 27% of the vaccines they have in the state so I'm not too worried about that...

(of course, I am getting it in a legal way)
It's now close to 50%. It took a few weeks, but they're finally figuring it out.

January 12, 2021, 05:25:41 PM
Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
Cuomo claims heís using whatever the government said, so I guess this change in Federal strategy is good for NY state (albeit at the expense of other - less organized - states).
NY is not exactly the most organized state...

January 14, 2021, 09:47:23 AM
Re: Republicans breaking with Trump's coup attempt
Until you have evidence that a member of congress gave a tour of the building knowing that it would be used to scope out for the next day, this is nothing more than grandstanding. If you have evidence that a member of congress allowed a tour knowing they intended to storm the building, that member should face consequences.

January 14, 2021, 09:53:54 AM
Re: Dealer Lease buyout
Has anyone bought out a lease from someone personally? Is it a stupid idea?
If it's a good deal, no real reason not to.

January 14, 2021, 12:04:33 PM
Re: Will there be violence in DC on Inauguration Day?
And you turned that into
Media is generating buzz, it's what pays their bills. I for one am impressed by AirBNB. I wish the airlines would suspend service entirely for the few days. It's so easy to believe there was a massive democrat conspiracy to change 100,000s of votes, but so difficult to believe some militias who dedicate their lives to prepare for it are going to try to make their voices heard violently? I don't think either are likely, but it's not as far fetched as you're making it to be.
Cancelling so many flights is way more disruptive than not allowing airbnb rentals.

January 14, 2021, 02:07:05 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
Waiting for the kid who didnít fast to take a piece of cake so he can yell at him.

You need to store this until taanis esther.

January 20, 2021, 03:23:05 PM
Re: Liqour/Whiskey/Bourbon Master Thread
So classy to find a non kosher bottle on a website like that.

Case in point: Sazerac rye.
This is the subject of a major halachik debate, you definitely shouldn't go around calling speaking that way about them.

That being said, you definitely shouldn't assume something fits your standards because the website has the word kosher in it.

January 21, 2021, 03:01:01 PM
Re: Should all Americans receive another stimulus check? How about 2 or 3 more?
Main reasons I hear for no stimulus is because no one is spending it on goods... So why not send out amazon gift cards? :) ;)
The federal government should be subsidizing Amazon? I think there was a better solution floated, to have the money on a debit card that expires at the end of the week or month. In reality, because money is fungible, savers will just use the stimulus money and save their other sources of income.

January 21, 2021, 03:05:40 PM
Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
So sheís a confirmed case of reinfection with high antibodies (with the first infection presumably with little or no symptoms). I guess her antibodies faded and/or she was infected with another strain. Things we donít have enough data on.

Uncommon, but it does happen.
Or antibodies were a false positive.

January 22, 2021, 03:19:55 PM
Re: Realistic vaccine date- end of 2021?
On a quantitative test? Does that make any sense?
There have been people who got PCR results for the wrong person, they may have gotten someone elses results.

January 23, 2021, 07:49:59 PM
Re: When will the current wave peak in the US?


On a macro level, this is patently false. When the majority of residents at a NH are immune, the likeliness of another outbreak is severely diminished. Yes in an entire city an outbreak in 1 place doesn't stop an outbreak across town, that's because they're separate groups of people who happen to live within the same municipality, the same can not be said about a NH. While it's certainly possible to have another outbreak, you can't expect there to be anywhere near the number of deaths as the first time around. Out of ~3 Million LTC residents, 1.2 million have tested positive. While there is turnover, that is a huge percentage of residents who are immune without the vaccine.

NJ LTC deaths are a smaller proportion of overall NJ deaths that the national average. Across the country they were around 50% early on and are NOW around 30% after NHs learnt how to cope with it better and have access to better protective resources.
The same can be said about everyone else too.

I'm sure the vaccine is preventing many deaths in NHs, I just think you're overstating the difference it makes in regards to overall COVID deaths. Due to the lag, we're going to continue seeing high numbers of LTC deaths for weeks or even months after cases drop.

January 28, 2021, 01:28:16 PM
Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
It appears Rí Yitzchok Scheiner got the first dose of the Pfizer vaccine more than 2 weeks ago.
We already know it's not effective right away.

January 31, 2021, 12:08:47 PM
Re: The Pfizer Vaccine and do people who had COVID already need the vaccine?
Along those lines, Israel has a higher proportion of asymptomatic carriers (vs symptomatic) amongst people vaccinated (they have good data because all exposures are incentivized to test for a shorter quarantine), which means by virtue of not displaying symptoms they may be spreading it more than if they weren't vaccinated
Unless they're less likely to be spreaders due to lower viral load.

January 31, 2021, 12:37:25 PM
Re: Czar Cuomo
Picture the backlash if the above would have exited Trump's mouth.
We already saw it.

February 01, 2021, 02:04:34 PM
Re: UK COVID Mutation
Good proposal, but there are 100m+ human hosts. It would take a huge scientific effort and can only be done in BSL3 labs. Imagine if we accelerate a dangerous mutation and accidentally let it loose?  ;D

Of course, even after we have the knowledge, few will believe it...

That being said, if we took the $700b annual defense budget and spent half of it on research, it would have a far more measurable impact on our lives. We are our biggest enemies.
While there are major spending issues especially when it comes to the military, and we can discuss the merits of all the active wars, I think a strong US military helps keep peace in the world. If there was another WW2, there is no way the US can ramp up military power if the defense budget was cut in half.

February 01, 2021, 02:31:12 PM
Re: Pregnancy and Covid
IME, the great miracle of Covid is the unprecedented emunah. Unfortunately, it's usually limited to Covid-related issues.
R' Reuven Feinstein wrote about having bitachon in regards to parnassah. He says it's easy for the guy who has millions of dollars in the bank to say I trust God will take care of me. It's also easy for the broke person to say I trust God will take care of me, he has no other option. The true ba'al bitachon is the person who lives paycheck to paycheck and still puts his faith in God. I think most people you're referring to fall into the second category.

February 03, 2021, 10:42:27 AM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
First of all, though it's not nearly as compelling when looking at cumulative since the beginning, the trend is definitely still there. And obviously there's cherry picking going on here, but the reason not to start from the beginning is not completely without merit. The states that were hit hardest early on had the least opportunity to do anything about it, while the states that were okay in the beginning and hard hit later in the year had much more to go off of in combatting the virus. I think the red/blue angle is still pretty silly and not as supported by the data as they're making it out to be, but it seems likely that a closer analysis of different responses in different states will in fact show what worked well and what didn't.Florida is actually smack in the middle for deaths per capita going back to the beginning of the pandemic, so in fact the cherry picking you're referring to has the opposite effect that you're accusing them of.
The fact that so many people got it early on can be play a big part in how many people got it in the later months.

February 04, 2021, 12:26:29 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
Happy to hear
While most people go on with their lives as normal, I don't think there are many people who aren't cognizant of the fact that their elderly relatives are at significant risk.

February 04, 2021, 01:46:29 PM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
Certainly a consideration, and part of why I said the data doesn't quite support what they're trying to do with it. Although it's also not clear how much that plays a role until you get closer to herd immunity levels. Even the 'worst' state (ND) has only hit something like  13% infected based on the data.
I have a theory that there are certain people who are more likely to get it, my guess is a combination of genetics and increased contact with the general public.

My belief that something is going on is strengthened when I hear about people who were super careful getting it as soon as they let their guard down slightly while other people have been living life like normal for the past 8 months but somehow haven't got it. (I'm not saying they're immune or can't get it, just less likely)

Assuming this theory holds any water, it would make sense that after the first wave it's much more difficult for another wave to gain traction.

February 04, 2021, 01:58:26 PM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
Just some random thoughts:
  • New daily cases haven't been this low since Nov 8 and are steadily dropping, as expected. Hospitalizations are also down almost 40% from the peak on Jan 8, so hopefully we'll see a drop in death counts starting within the next week or 2. The cases never fully disappear between waves, but I think it's safe to say that the worst of the second wave is over.
  • Historically, first waves of pandemics hit with a decent size bump, then the second waves hit like a tsunami, followed by a small third wave (smaller than the first). My personal opinion is that the third wave this time will be closer to the second wave, as opposed to the hiccup it has historically been. Never before have variants been able to travel intercontinentally like they do today. Already, the UK variant is doubling every 10 days in the US. It is estimated to be 35-40% more contagious than the strains we've seen here until now. It is also possible that treatment protocols may need to be tweaked to deal with the variants, as evidenced by South Africa suspending use of the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine after finding it to be almost ineffective against their current strain.
  • I'm curious to see the impact of an unprecedented third wave on the economy and the markets. The third wave looks to be timed to start after this $1.9T package is passed. Additionally, the US's vaccine rollout has been dismal at best, and there will be legitimate questions about the efficacy of the current vaccines and treatments against the newer strains. While the markets rebounded during the first wave and stayed strong during the second wave based on confidence in treatments/vaccines and in the stimulus infusion, there may be less confidence in those things this time around. Volatile markets probably won't help things, especially with Joe the Plumber's money tied up in GME and Dogecoin. I think the third wave may be the pin that pops the bubble.
While everyone loves to hate on the US vaccine distribution, it's actually doing quite well. Other than a few nation states, the only country to distribute more vaccines per capita is the UK.

With nearly 10% of the US population having received at least 1 dose, we should have about 10% of the US population immune (besides for those who already caught the virus) in about a month from now.

Additionally, the rate of distribution is steadily rising, it more than tripled in the past month.

February 08, 2021, 12:01:19 PM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
Not sure how this is a win. "Other than a few nation states", the rest of the world's vaccine programs are moving way too slowly.
You need to keep everything in perspective, of course the US can do better, but the fact that they're leading the pack says a lot.

If 10% takes three months, then herd immunity will take ~2 years (not factoring variants). Our only hope here is approval of other vaccines and/or ramp-up.

The US administers more vaccines in a week than the total amount distributed a month ago, we're at way better than 10% in 3 months. At the current rate (which is still increasing), 100% of the US population will be vaccinated by next March.

February 08, 2021, 12:20:04 PM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
If it was marketed to them correctly? Possibly. That demo getting vaccinated is the key to getting back to normal. If it was presented as a way of opening the economy and schools, I think the majority of them would go for it. People just want their lives back.
Just like 2 weeks to slow the spread. The marketing has been filled with lies from day 1, do you really believe if all 25-45 y/os get vaccinated the teachers union will agree to open schools? They're on a mission to keep schools closed as long as possible, the next thing they'll say is we need to wait until there is a vaccine approved for children and every child must be vaccinated before being allowed back in school, mark my words.

February 09, 2021, 11:05:04 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
$305.4MM? Out of my price range
That's not the price, it's a phone number.

February 09, 2021, 05:06:06 PM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
Yes. US deaths by occurrence date dropped 50%+ since vaccines started working
There's no way you can know that, we need to wait for the backlog to catch up. I'm sorry but you're being ridiculous to use incomplete data as proof of efficacy.

February 09, 2021, 05:12:50 PM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
There is a backlog of vaccination data just like there is a backlog of death data.
We know the efficacy very well from Israel and the trials, Iím not trying to prove it.
Iím demonstrating how the math we already know is playing out in real life and you donít want to see it
You literally have zero useful data, but you're using it as evidence SMH

February 09, 2021, 05:16:48 PM
Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
whom can I contact that is an expert on the lakewood mesivta options for highs school boys who may want a less rigorous schedule etc...
Rabbi Strauss

February 10, 2021, 11:42:45 AM
Re: Lakewood NJ Master Thread
It's also possible that halachically there's a going rate on raises.
Legally as well. There actually is a lakewood rent board.
Establishment of Rents.
[1971 Code ß 13A-3]
Establishment of rents between a landlord and tenant in the Township which are subject to control by this Rent Control Chapter shall hereinafter be regulated by the provisions of this chapter.
Permitted Rental Increases. Landlords who supply tenants with heat are hereinafter permitted to raise rents on rental units governed by this section once a year at a flat rate increase of six and one half (6.5%) percent over the previous base rent permitted by this section or any prior ordinance except as otherwise hereinafter set forth. Landlords who do not supply tenants with heat are hereinafter permitted to raise rents on rental units governed by this section once a year at a flat rate increase of 5% over the previous base rent permitted by this section or any prior ordinance except as otherwise hereinafter set forth. This increase shall be effective at the expiration of a lease or termination of a rental period provided at least one year has passed since the last increase.

February 11, 2021, 06:04:17 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
I think this sentiment is why US positive tests peaked on Dec 24. People were getting tested before holiday meetings.
I think that shouldn't have such a major effect on the overall number of positive tests, within 2 days of when I got tested I would have seen my symptoms get worse and probably would have tested then. Maybe others wouldn't so that did have an effect on the actual number of positive tests.

February 12, 2021, 12:02:16 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
Refuah shleima and kudos for being prudent.
We almost didn't get tested because Friendly had a 3 hour wait. Thankfully we went to Chemed and the wait was minimal. In the past Chai stopped giving rapids so we didn't want to go there, it turns out they do give them now. For all those hating on rapids, if not for the rapid we would have gone to the sheva brachos and went on with our lives for another day or 2 before realizing this is actually COVID.

February 12, 2021, 12:27:19 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
I want to be clear that this isn't about you, specifically, as it is very common behavior, but this annoys the cr@p outta me. Yes, you should have stayed home dozens  of times over the past few months!!! Forget Covid, and let's say it wasn't even strep, just a cold. Why is it ok for other people to have to miss work or school or even be sick for a few days just because you didn't feel like missing out on an event? Why do entire families have to get sick because you didn't want to keep your kid home from school for a day or 2? I don't get it.
I'm sorry, but I'm not staying home every time I go to sleep late.

February 12, 2021, 02:18:54 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
If you can't tell the difference between illness and a late night, either ashrecha that your illnesses are so mild, or I'm sorry that a late night makes you feel so bad.
It's difficult to decipher where it changes from just a late night to something more serious.

February 12, 2021, 02:41:59 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
The problem is that you prefer to err on the side of your personal comfort instead of erring on the side of protecting everybody else.

The lack of concern for society is precisely what makes secular Jews hate frum Jews and non-Jews hate Jews  הָבָה נִתְחַכְּמָה לוֹ פֶּן יִרְבֶּה וְהָיָה כִּי תִקְרֶאנָה מִלְחָמָה וְנוֹסַף גַּם הוּא עַל שֹׂנְאֵינוּ וְנִלְחַם בָּנוּ
This self hatred is despicable.

February 12, 2021, 03:27:05 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
If you want to dispute the facts, here are some questions. Out of 7,000,000,000 in the world, how many Covid+ patients were caught flying and how many of them were frum Jews?

Looks at planes flying into Montreal and Toronto, where Frum Jews are less than 1% of the population. MIA-YYZ last week had 33 pax of which 25+ were frum, and itís a known phenomenon going on in many flights. Airport staff are very well aware of it and are asking uncomfortable questions.

Look at the pictures of flights into Israel. Frum people are 12% of Israel. The flights have way more of us.

How many illegal and dangerous weddings were held in Israel, and how many of them were frum?

Without a shadow of doubt there is Covid precaution problem in the frum community, and without a shadow of doubt itís making Goyim hate us, letís hope it wonít make them kill even more of us.

 Aka youíre right but I donít have the guts to admit it.
What does the number of frum Jews flying have to do with the number of covid+ caught flying? Are you assuming every Frum jew who flies is covid+

February 13, 2021, 10:10:44 PM
Re: Czar Cuomo
1) I am in no way, shape, or form absolving Cuomo of his many, many mistakes and bad decisions. My point is only that it is dishonest and wrong to lay every single dead body at his doorstep.

2) I wasn't arguing with you regarding the opinions posted upthread. I would say, though, that it is not an exclusively left-wing issue. It just happens to be that most media orgs are made up of, and cater to, the college educated crowd, so they lean left. The right wing news orgs are just as bad. There are just fewer of them. And there are no real neutral ones anymore.

3) i hear the frustration, but I think some of it is biased because you live in NY and have suffered. Personally, I think the media missed most of DeSantis's bad calls, too. The NH fiasco is a cover-up, so it's getting coverage. When the excess death counts come out for FL, I think we'll be hearing about the cover-up here, too, while ignoring all the other garbage.
All we heard about from the media was about how terrible DeSantis is and how bad it's going to get. You know, all the atrocities that never happened. In reality FL landed right around the same end result as CA and other states with massive lockdowns (and much better than NY/NJ)

February 15, 2021, 12:18:20 PM
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel Israel is getting really close to vaccinating the maximum number of people. Currently 43.7% of the population received at least 1 dose, when you add nearly 8% of the population who tested positive (minus some overlap) you're at around 50%. Approximately 30% of the population is under 16, so they're not eligible. That leaves around 20% (1.8 million people) who haven't received at least 1 dose.
February 16, 2021, 12:42:42 PM
Re: Trump 2024
It's beyond me why people even notice who is the author of a tweet when it's purely an opinion/perspective and there aren't any facts in there you have to judge if you can trust. I said it was a Democrat pundit because you implied he was trying to steal the presidency from Trump, personally I have no idea who he is.
Yeah, Unity is what you call it when a President says everyone should unite to do things my way

February 17, 2021, 10:56:13 AM
Re: Ice Age in Texas
With talk that this is only the beginning of global energy problems cascading from Texas natural gas shutdown, perhaps it's time for a dedicated thread.

Where do you see any evidence of anything global cascading from this?

Please keep the Lincoln project out of any serious discussion.

While being connected to a larger grid would have helped Texas this week, the crux of the issue (without getting into the political blame game) is the fact that ERCOT was not properly prepared for the worst case scenario when it happened. Also, the NG shortage would be little helped by the electric being connected to the larger grid.

February 17, 2021, 11:20:23 PM
Re: Ice Age in Texas
If the purpose of this thread was to bash Cruz, you should have put it in the title.

February 18, 2021, 12:44:10 AM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread

US deaths by occurrence date:

Jan 30-Feb 6 2528
Jan 23-30 8909
Jan 16-23 13610
Jan 9-16 16122
Jan 2-9 18584
Dec 26-Jan 2 21384
Dec 19-26 21493
Dec 12-19 20905
Dec 5-12 19853

Yes, there is a reporting lag impacting the numbers slightly, but US deaths peaked exactly when the vaccine came into effect, and very dramatically so. There are likely 1000-2000 US deaths avoided every day solely by vaccines.
I don't need you to agree with me. I just want it to be clear that when the numbers support 600/day in a few weeks from now, 1-2k/day right now is a very extreme position. Who knows? Maybe you'll be proven right. I don't think anyone will complain if you are. It just looks like Kool-Aid to me right now.

Here we are a couple of weeks later and the week after the "high water mark" is exactly 1 higher than the week before. As I and others have said this data is incomplete and meaningless.

Updated numbers are:
US deaths by occurrence date:

Jan 30-Feb 6 10307
Jan 23-30 13610
Jan 16-23 17969
Jan 9-16 21418
Jan 2-9 23001
Dec 26-Jan 2 23000
Dec 19-26 22075
Dec 12-19 21257
Dec 5-12 20047

February 24, 2021, 04:58:40 PM
Re: Trump 2024
He never deserved a chance.
Let me get this straight, it's all Trumps fault because the Ds did everything in their power to stonewall him and wouldn't give him a chance?

February 25, 2021, 09:31:17 AM
Re: Trump 2024
Of course. He started it. He literally ran to office chanting 'Lock Her Up'
Trump said mean things and therefore doesn't deserve a chance to do anything, but then coming out and calling for unity (but not with Trump supporters) is extremely tone deaf at a minimum.

Artificial performative grievances aside, It actually illustrates my point. Before nuking the filibuster, Obama initially nominated Patricia Millett, who worked for Republican admin. She was specifically chosen as a concession to Republicans (she was assistant US solicitor general under Bush) because Obama preferred bipartisanship and acceptance than his own agenda. The Democrats tried again with Nina Pillard & then again with Robert Wilkins, and only when all 3 were filibustered did it become evident the Republicans would obstruct no matter what and it was impossible to reach a compromise.

On the other hand, Trump went far right and nominated Gorsuch without any pretense of bipartisanship and unity, and then Republicans just nuked the filibuster to push their partisan agenda.

The smart thing for democrats now would be to stop entertaining the filibuster and political norms the other side doesn't respect and few Americans know about, and do everything in their power to push measures like minimum wage and radical healthcare reform that a vast majority of the country is interested. Biden seems to be on that track but Sinema and Manchin are playing hard to get.
You can have all kinds of excuses, the fact remains that the Ds were the first to remove the filibuster for judicial nominations. Any excuse trying to differentiate regular judicial nominations and SC nominations is just that - an excuse, and a lame one at it. If the Ds want to get rid of all political norms, they better not complain when the Rs use the new rules to their advantage.

February 25, 2021, 02:48:27 PM
Re: Czar Cuomo
You just love fiction, donít you? 40% of Floridaís deaths are from LTCFs- probably partially because DeSantis allows visitors to come and go without testing.Right. Isnít it great that DeSantisís state didnít get seeded with COVID until 2 months after Cuomoís, so he actually had knowledge of transmission and prevention that those caught in the initial onslaught didnít?
LOL. Starting from when we knew enough about transmission and protection to actually pick and choose what to implement and what to withhold (May) Florida is top 3 in deaths, deaths per million, cases, and hospitalizations.
They were protecting other people from transmission by children. But you already know that.

Not really a science guy, are you?

In summation: Cuomo did a terrible job protecting old people, and also enforced rules poorly and unevenly. He also suffocated people in the name of science with a poor cost-benefit analysis. I dislike him and think thereís plenty to attack him about. But DeSantis is no saint. ďIs the guy really a politician?Ē Give me a break.

And Cuomo has done a far better job at containing COVID than DeSantis after the initial blindside
. For that, the CDC and Trump are more to blame than Cuomo, though he does share some of the blame.
I see why you would give Cuomo the benefit of the doubt here, but it's not fair to completely discount everything that happened in the beginning. IMO we should compare FL to CA, neither of them got slammed in the beginning and while CA is still mostly in lockdown FL is basically wide open, yet somehow they have a nearly identical death rate (within 10% and that's without accounting for FL population being significantly older). If lockdowns really saved lives, we should see a significant difference in the death rate between FL and CA.

February 25, 2021, 02:58:39 PM
Re: Stop & shop coupons
And that gets you ?
say he has $100 in rewards, which gets you $100 worth of groceries. He wants to sell those rewards for $70 so whoever buys them can save 30%.

February 27, 2021, 09:54:05 PM
Re: Used Cars Master Thread
Did Lakewood Auto sales become iCar or they are separate business?

ETA: They are related, IINM they're second cousins.

March 01, 2021, 09:39:38 AM
Re: Frontier kicks off Frum family for 15MO not wearing a mask

Crazy how they would just issue a statement like this without investigation.
Just always trust the FA.. 

The fact that they just included all the Chassidim as "a large group" painting them with a broad brush like that is at least as bad as issuing an unverified statement without investigating.

March 01, 2021, 12:00:45 PM
Re: Amazon Shopper Panel It's directly on Amazons website, so it must be legit. There are other apps like ibotta that pay you for sharing your shopping data, it definitely makes sense that amazon would pay you for it.
March 02, 2021, 01:15:35 PM
Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
IINM the only thing the options accomplished was to guarantee a price, not a timeline. There was nothing stopping the companies from supplying to the rest of world before America, until Biden came in. The option aren't really relevant.
This is false, if you remember the media was in an uproar because Trump didn't order more vaccines from Pfizer because they wouldn't guarantee that the US would get them before the summer.

The federal contract signed in July called for Pfizer to deliver 100 million doses by March at a cost of $19.50 a dose ó if its vaccine worked.

March 03, 2021, 10:10:04 AM
Re: The current state of COVID-19 in Israel
I'd assume they aren't giving vaccines to people they know are currently infected, which would narrow things down a bit.
IIRC someone posted about people who were symptomatic going to get vaccinated. Even without this, it's very likely that these people were infected between the 2 doses and weren't symptomatic yet by the time they got the second dose.

March 03, 2021, 10:20:43 AM
Re: When will a vaccine *really* be available?
Thatís 100mm doses (50m vaccinations), what about the rest? Did those also have delivery timelines?
I believe they also had timelines. The article I posted was specifically talking about Pfizer and it was published 3 months ago.

As of now the US only administered 78.6 million doses total between Pfizer and Moderna, so we're still far from the 100 million doses in the initial contract. IMO anything the Biden admin ordered is probably not going to be used in the US and they know that, but they were able to make it look like Trump failed to order enough vaccines. We're going to be paying for these hundreds of millions of doses we don't need just so Biden can take a stab at Trump, as we've seen from day 1 they have no problem blatantly lying about what Trump did.

March 03, 2021, 11:03:34 AM