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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer? The overall hashkafa of the camps that are opening is:
We will not allow Yidishe Neshamos to wander the streets during the summer. We are opening come what may.

I believe that many camp directors (and I assume the Daas Torah guiding them) feel that there is an element of yaharog v'al yaavor when it comes to keeping kids in camp and off the streets. They'll do whatever it takes to keep the kids in a kosher environment, even if the entire country turns against us.

June 23, 2020, 10:29:16 PM
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
I'm stunned that you actually believe that. ד' עבירות חמורות.

I'm stunned that you actually thought that I personally share these beliefs.

I believe that the directors (and the daas torah guiding them) believe that.
I believe that they believe that keeping teens on the streets all summer is tantamount to gilui arayos, which is one of the gimel avairos chamuros.
I believe that they believe that the legal or PR risks of opening are nothing compared to the risks of not opening.

June 24, 2020, 08:57:15 AM
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
I don't know what you personally believe, but I can't believe that any posek is standing behind these principles.

1. The kids are being as used pawns and no rational parent wants to see their kid getting sent home because their camp was shut down by the local Department of Health.
2. If anyone actually believed that this was an issue of gilui arayos the entire community would be funding sending kids from poor homes to summer camp every summer. Even if camps would have opened in a normal (non-Covid) year, there would be many, many kids who would not be in camp due to financial circumstances.
3. The legal/PR risks are nothing compared with the abject chillul Hashem created by a premeditated violation of the law. This is not people not wearing a mask at funeral or not obeying social distance guidelines. These would be organized summer camps choosing to intentionally violate the law.

You clearly don't understand the chasidishe mindset.
1. Yes, the rabanim DO believe that leaving kids on the streets in the summer is tantamount to gilui arayos.
2. Yes, the chasidishe kehilos DO set up funds so that kids from poor homes can go to summer camp every summer. In fact, most chasidishe camps provide scholarships to those who can't afford it.
3. Once again, you clearly don't understand the chasidishe mindset. Chilul Hashem is not in the lexicon. "They are anyways all antisemites or zionists, so who cares."

June 24, 2020, 10:07:57 AM
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer? Some perspective is in order.

The issue of opening camps is not just a question of whether we will have a good time this summer. There is so much more that's involved, which is why rabbonim, YES RABBONIM, are taking this very seriously.

I personally know a 15 year old girl who is struggling and wavering between staying in school and trying hard to succeed or dropping out and going OTD. Many people are working with her, and all agree that if she is in camp this year with her good friends, the good experience will have a positive effect on her. If she is on the streets, she will go down.

There are countless other teens in the same situation.

In today's world, for many teens camp is no longer a luxury. It is a necessity. The Rabbonim believe this, and they are willing to do whatever it takes, including using every conceivable loophole, to make this work. They believe there is an element of yaahoreg v'al yaaover to this. Obviously no one is getting killed. But the point is that they are willing to do everything possible short of getting arrested to open camps this year, even if it means losing millions in government funding or making a PR scene.

Imagine a drug addict or alocoholic who must get into rehab or he will destroy his family. If the governor decides to close the rehabs, you will do everything you can to figure out a way, short of getting arrested, to somehow open the rehab. It is a necessity not a luxury. In today's world generally, and specifically after 3 months of COVID 19 lockdowns, many teens need camp and cannot be allowed to wander the streets. For many of these teens, its a mental health crisis. This is why Rabbonim are doing everything they can, short of getting arrested, to open camps.

June 25, 2020, 09:23:49 AM
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Re: Uman, Uman, Rosh Hashana??? If Ukraine was a US state and the governor was a D, the bleeding heart liberals would be telling us how bad the Breslovers are for going against the science and traveling to Uman. Boruch Hashem Ukraine is a separate country and it does't affect Trump's reelection so no one cares.
June 25, 2020, 03:52:38 PM
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Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
I'm neither pro nor con, just trying to understand both sides.
I do understand the medical and scientific arguments to close sleepaway camps.
I don't understand the argument that the only two options are sleepaway camps and roaming the streets.

78 - Number of years frum children have been able to attend Camp Agudah and other sleepaway camps
3255 - Number of years since Matan Torah that frum children have NOT had that option

It's clearly not a religious requirement.  And Cuomo, who grew up with orthodox Jewish neighbors is aware of that.

If children, parents, and teachers today cannot imagine a summer without sleepaway camp, that seems to be a failure of the imagination.  Perhaps the more creative people out there can help them work out other options.

For millennia, there was no rehab for drug addicts. Why do we suddenly need rehabs? Why didn't the Governor close all the rehabs to prevent the spread of COVID-19.
What about nursing homes? For millennia the human species survived without it.

Of course we need rehabs and we need nursing homes, thousands of years of history notwithstanding. We also need camps. After 3 months of keeping kids indoors, there is a mental health crisis and teens need camp.

For religious Jews, the mental health crisis is causing many kids to go OTD. So in addition to the mental health crisis, there is a religious crisis.

You may not be aware of this crisis. Many people are not aware of the sexual abuse crisis, or the substance abuse crisis. But these crises are real. Just ask your local ortho school principal. Or any parent of teens.

June 25, 2020, 05:15:56 PM
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Re: Stimulus Checks
"If we continue spending money we don't have, we are doomed."

I don't want the new bill to be anywhere near $2 Trillion. In fact, I only want it to be $1,200 for me. Everyone else should realize that our country just doesn't have the money.

July 24, 2020, 11:20:36 AM
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Re: Israel And The UAE Are Heading Towards Peace Proof the world isn't the way it seems:

Conservatives are happy today and leftists are sulking. So who really wants peace?

September 11, 2020, 04:54:54 PM
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Re: Prayers for our President and First Lady!
Prayers for everyone with this horrible virus  :'(

All lives matter.

October 02, 2020, 08:45:08 AM
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Re: Will Murphy follow Cuomo's lead and shut Lakewood down?
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By law, the Governor was able to close us down before Yom Tov and he chose not to. The only reason that he did not copy Gov. Cuomo is because of the relationship that has been cultivated by hard working askonim, namely R’ Meir Lichtenstein and R’ Avi Schnall who spent the entire Yom Tov negotiating successfully.

Although I don't agree with everything the Agudah does, Avi Schnall deserves our hakaros hatov for this.

October 19, 2020, 07:47:12 PM
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Re: Taking all bets on Trump winning 2020 Election. I did an experiment on a WhatsApp chat of my friends. I asked who everyone was voting for. Most people responded publicly. Some didn't. I privately asked those who didn't respond if they would share with me who they are voting for privately if I kept their answers in confidence. They all responded they were voting for Trump. I asked them why they didn't post their voting preference on the chat. They all had different reasons why they didn't want publicly announce that they were Trump supporters. One was even afraid that someone would share a screenshot of his Trump support and he would lose his job.

Although my experiment is not scientific, I saw firsthand that there are "shy Trump supporters" out there.

October 23, 2020, 10:09:10 AM
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Re: Jewish MAGA rallies in NYC today
I think the left is very loud right now. They have the inner city youth and the college kids, both demos that make a lot of noise and engage in petty violence. The right is just as radical, and when push comes to shove, a lot deadlier. And neither side likes us.

Same thing in Israel. It's true that the Palestinian terrorists are very violent. But the Israeli right wingers are just as radical. And more deadly. So therefore we shouldn't point out the danger of Hamas, because Boruch Goldstein is just as bad, or worse. And therefore vote for Hamas.

Liberal logic.

October 25, 2020, 11:19:07 PM
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Re: Violent protests erupt across the country Your daily reminder: Not one single person burning, looting, running over cops and using high grade explosives in the US is a Trump supporter.

If they were, the media would have told us, 50,000 times.

October 30, 2020, 09:50:35 AM
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
January 10, 2021, 08:09:02 PM
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
And they can't find any lawyer who wants it? really, every controversial court case from the last 4 years was able to find a lawyer but in a case so clear-cut Parler can't!?

Where did you read they can't find any lawyers? All they said was that their long-time law firm dropped them. Nothing to do with the monopoly lawsuit; everything to do with the current political climate. They were threatened that no one would ever use them again.

January 10, 2021, 08:16:48 PM
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
+1

The only real thing uniting all the disparate parts of the Democratic party is agreeing to change, or "progress". What said changes should be is sometimes very different. Conservatives, by definition, want things to stay the same. On a side note, this is why I would never consider myself a conservative. Change is good, trying to fix issues is good. I don't mind disagreeing on the solution but I hate when people refuse to acknowledge a problem because it doesn't affect them or because it isn't how we always did it.

Conservatives aren't against "progress" per se if it helps. But they are against leftism, socialism, communism, etc. They are also against "change" for the sake of change.
Conservatives do want the basic principles of the USA to remain, such as faith, family, individualism, capitalism, private property, freedom from government tyranny, free speech, the constitution, etc.

"Change is good" - so says the Reform movement regarding Judaism.

January 11, 2021, 03:35:11 PM
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
Nobody wants change for the sake of change. People want change to fix all those problems. You know, like when people say "oh that's just how the world works" or "life isn't fair" or other such nonsense. We'll never have a perfect world, but if we keep trying it will keep getting better and more fair. Much as it's gotten better and better ever since the enlightenment. That is when people started realizing we can change things. Obviously, some of the solutions worked and others didn't but they all had the acknowledgment that a better world is possible as their initial premise.

You claim you aren't against change (I would prefer that you are against stagnation) but you're last comment implies you are. Reform judaism's flaw was the initial premise that a better judaism is possible, it isn't. When it relates to society, a better world is possible and therefore attainable if we try.

You misunderstood my comment.
You were saying "Change is good". To me that sounds like change for the sake of change is good.
Conservatives don't believe that change for the sake of change is good. Conservatives believe that change is good only when it is really good. Every "change" needs to be evaluated to see if it is really good.

Orthodox Jews always want to make Judaism better. But we don't want to change Judaism.
Conservatives are always trying to make our country better for everyone. But we don't want to change our country.

A good example: The racism that we saw by some police officers. Conservatives want to fix that, by firing and prosecuting the bad apples, and changing the culture in the police departments. But the left wants to defund the police - to destroy the entire fabric of our society. Sometimes, change isn't good. Fixing is better.

January 11, 2021, 03:54:24 PM
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
AT&T, the 48th largest corporate donor who gave $12m in 2020 cycle just said it will blacklist Republicans who voted to reject electors.

Great to see American companies exercise their Freedom of Speech to root out extremism.

What's extreme about wanting to investigate the fraudulent election?

January 11, 2021, 04:27:41 PM
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Re: R.I.P. Freedom
January 11, 2021, 11:39:24 PM
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Re: Ideas in how to lower the temperature

Whether or not he’s obligated to, Trump could certainly do more to lower the flames than Congressional democrats

Exactly. Not one democrat called for BLM and Antifa to lower the flames for the past 8 months. Not one!

January 13, 2021, 02:14:07 PM
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
Thank you so very much for your help!
1 more question (for now..) If someone living in EY and has a schedule C, Are they eligible for PPP? because 1 of the question is if the primary residence in in the USA

I'm pretty sure you must live in the US.

January 19, 2021, 02:21:42 PM
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Re: SBA PPP and EIDL Small Business Loans (some money is forgivable)
Nothing yet. Per their Press Release they'll be reaching out in the coming weeks but they did not provide an actual date.

There's no rush. They'll probably start after covid is over.

January 27, 2021, 09:40:48 PM
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Re: VP Biden, in San Francisco: 'Giants are on their way to the Super Bowl'
L'chavod Superbowl Sunday, I'll BUMP the original "Favorite Biden Gaffe" thread.
You are now banned for life from all of social media for daring to make fun of Biden and thereby threaten our very democracy.

February 07, 2021, 08:34:11 PM
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