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Re: Switzerland Master Thread
LA5675, We are planning a similar trip. Where did you end up staying and eating; how did it work out, any advice? Thanks

My name used to be @LA5675, but as I've begun using the forums more, I recently opted for a name that I like more :)

As for your question, we ended up just going to Lake Garda for those 2 days, because most of the destinations that I wanted to go to in the Alps (like Gimmelwald) would've required a ton of extra driving and we only had 2 days to spare between landing in Milan and when we wanted to be in Venice. Lake Garda is directly on the way from Milan to Venice, so it adds almost no driving. you can also look into Lake Como, but it's in the other direction from Milan (away from Venice), so it'll definitely add driving time to your trip.

If you're interested in Lake Garda, here's my mini TR for those 2 days. Maybe when I have some more time, I'll add pictures and post it as a separate TR.
 
We rented a Fiat 500L from Hertz in Milan. Wasnít cheap but was the only viable option if we wanted to see a lot in Lake Garda in 2 days. Came out to 216 euro for 3 days, including picking up in BGY and dropping off in Mestre when we arrived in Venice.

On the way in from Milan, we stopped in Sirmione, which is an old but very touristy town (and apparently one of the busiest in the summer). We were there in the evening, so the castle was closed for the day.

There are tons of (non-points, but) pretty cheap hotel options in Lake Garda (at least in the off-season). We stayed in the Atlantide Villaggio Albergo, which was a simple apartment hotel (beds were not too comfortable) but was very clean and we had a\our own kitchen, which was good because we brought our own food; was pretty cheap; and the views were gorgeous.

On our first morning there, we took the cable car up Mount Baldo, which has stunning views of the snow-capped peaks all around and Lake Garda below. Itís a great panoramic view of the region if itís a clear day. (It wasnít clear when we went, which is why we went up a second time, see below.) and then took the cable car halfway down and hiked the rest of the way. It was a fairly difficult hike, so if you do it, just make sure you're in shape and bring lots of water. Then we drove The Gorge Road, (google to find out more) which was stunning. (All the driving was really nice actually!) It was on the other side of the lake, which took almost an hour to drive, but the drive along the edge of the lake was really beautiful.

Next day we walked around some of the small towns on Lake Garda, and then we rented a motorboat on the lake (highly recommend it!) and then drove halfway up Mt Baldo as it was kinda foggy when we went up on Day 1. Cool drive and stunning views.

Overall, I highly recommend it, especially if you only have 2 days between Milan and Venice and donít want to drive too much. My only warning is that we went on the off-season so the driving was easy and there were no lines anywhere. I have read that in the summer, traffic is really bad and you can wait in lines for hours at things like the Mt Baldo cable cars.

As an aside, if you're going to Venice too and are looking to save money or points, we stayed in the Four Points by Sheraton Mestre, which is less than a year old and nice, and is only a Cat 2 so it was only 4k/night. At some hours of the day there's a direct bus from right near there to Piazzale Rome which makes it really convenient, but at other times of day, you need to take 2 busses or a train and a bus to get into Venice, which can take a while. Not for one who wants to be in the center of things in Venice, but it can be worthwhile if you're being frugal. We stayed there for the weeknights that we were in Venice and then moved to a hotel in Venice for Shabbos.

May 08, 2018, 01:04:02 PM
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Re: Where can I get it? (Israel edition)
If it's not something that's too big to fit through the door, it's probably cheaper to hire day laborers to carry it all up for you by hand.
You're right, that might be the best idea for @jose34 .

If for some reason that doesn't work for him, there's also the option of using a winch from a balcony or the top of a stairwell of either of those locations is in a good position for that.

I saw someone on a top floor in a building that has a stairwell with a big hollow space in the middle and they installed a winch on the ceiling to bring groceries up from the ground floor. Granted, @jose34 probably won't want to do that for a 1-day job....

June 07, 2018, 01:35:48 PM
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Re: Where can I get it? (Israel edition)
Thanks for ideas, the idea in the picture is probably a little too expensive, how much is it?. Day Laborers for a few hours might be a good idea but the idea that I had, was when I ordered a freezer the delivery  company had some kind of machine ran on a track and climbed the stairs with guide of the operator it had like 2 small forks that stuck out that the the freezer on it.
I don't know how much they charge, but when I saw them using it for furniture it looked like a pretty light-duty truck with one guy operating it. If you just need it for a half hour or something I can't imagine it would be so expensive.

June 07, 2018, 03:34:11 PM
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Re: Where can I get it? (Israel edition)
ok great, is way to reach them?
I'll try to get a # for one.

June 08, 2018, 01:04:58 AM
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Re: Where can I get it? (Israel edition)
ok great, is way to reach them?
Here are a few. I think these ones are around Jerusalem, though some of them will go to Beit Shemesh area too I think. If you're elsewhere, just google ...שירותי מנוף ב.

Kalev 0546712444
Haramot Yerushalayim 0556668600 or 0504123202
Maaleh Massa  0548111100
Nimrod 0577531922

The כלב guy says he charges 350-500 per hour ( https://www.d.co.il/80171529/14625/ )   but maybe you can get it for less if you only need 1-2 lifts....not sure how that compares to what you were expecting for a stair climber. Let me now who gives you the best price. Good shabbos.

June 08, 2018, 06:39:16 AM
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Re: Where can I get it? (Israel edition)
I'll try to get a # for one.
They look like this

June 08, 2018, 06:41:36 AM
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Re: Site Suggestions
It did not come up by accident. Trust me  ;)
Cool. So then instead of taking my post as a suggestion, take it as a compliment that you've accomplished what you were trying to do :) Thanks for your hard work!

July 02, 2018, 08:29:27 AM
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Re: Things To Do In Israel Master Thread
What's the situation now regarding a drive to chevron ?
How safe ?
Personally, I wouldn't do it. Even if you're on a non-armored bus (AFAIK, some of the busses that go are armored and many are not), the driver definitely knows the roads better and is less likely to make a wrong turn, and it's also likely that someone on the bus has a gun. It also doesn't matter to you if some kid throws a stone at the bus, whereas if you drive and that happens then it's a dent in your car.

July 03, 2018, 04:09:37 AM
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