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Re: Settlers Of Catan
What is the official 2-player version?

According to the 2015 rulebook:
(This is not the text found in the rulebook. Please give me feedback on whether it was understandable.)

During setup, before initial placement of players' settlements, place 1 settlement of each of the unused colors on the board, one below the middle of the top row, the other above the middle of the bottom row. These represent neutral colors. Each time a player builds a road or settlement, they also place that same thing for one of the neutral colors (if no settlement is possible for either one, build a road instead). Note that a neutral color can take the Longest Road card.

Roll the dice twice each turn. If the second result is the same as the first, reroll it until it isn't.

Each player starts with 5 tokens, and may not have more than 7 at once. (The next paragraph will explain their use.) If you place a settlement adjacent to the desert hex, gain 2 tokens. If you place a settlement adjacent to water (the edge of the board), gain 1 token. (If both circumstances apply, gain 3.) This includes initial placement. Additionally, you may discard a Knight that you have played to gain 2 chips (this affects the Largest Army card).

Once on each of your turns, you may pay 1 token if you are the player with fewer (visible) points,
or 2 tokens if you are the player with more (visible) points, to take either of the following actions:
A. Put the Robber back on the desert hex (this can be done before rolling the dice, of course).
B. Take 2 resource cards at random from your opponent's hand, and then give them 2 resources of your choice.
(If your opponent only had 1 resource card, you must still give them 2.)

October 17, 2018, 05:30:04 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread Bob, could you step into the office for a minute?

("It was that Yushke again, boss, I swear!")

(Requires a bit of pop-culture knowledge:)

December 16, 2018, 03:20:18 AM
Re: Hyperloop
Wake me up when this happens.
What about when September ends?

What about inside?

November 20, 2019, 12:41:09 AM
Re: Dating Spots Master Thread Let's say it בשם אמרו:
Quote from: Fradl Adams (for The Family Room, part of The Lakewood Shopper)
If you're in this thread it means your dating, if your dating then you need to see this!

This should be placed in every yeshiva across the spectrum from most left to most right:

January 16, 2020, 12:10:28 AM
Re: New Like feature
You turn the frog over onto its back. Using a scalpel, carefully make an incision across the entire length of the frog's body. Gently cut the frog's legs off, being sure not to break them - you'll need these for dinner later.

Nicely done. But even if it won't make me laugh, I'd like to understand the joke.

(Your post is itself an example of humor that's incomprehensible
without prior knowledge that cannot be expected of every person.)

January 16, 2020, 01:59:47 AM
Re: Famous people who post on DDF
Dewey, Cheatem & Howe stayed put.
??? ???

Try reading it out loud.

January 21, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
Re: computer games Many modern board games have PC versions which might fit the bill.
I'd have to do a little research before making specific recommendations.

February 05, 2020, 09:45:07 PM
Re: computer games For the price of $0.00, I can heartily recommend Ticket to Ride and Carcassonne (both best-selling, award-winning
family-level modern board games). They're free to download on the Epic Games Store until February 13. (PC-only.)

February 09, 2020, 02:55:18 PM
Re: computer games
Quote from: Yserbius123
(from )

In no particular order, here are some kosher games that I play and allow my children to play.
They are all technically bad for the Jews as they lead to bitul Torah.

    Dwarf Fortress
    All the major Mario games, from Super Mario Bros. to Super Mario Odyssey
    Portal and Portal 2 (some kol isha at the end)
    Harvest Moon 64
    Super Hexagon
    Minecraft (offline of course)
    Space Chem
    Overcooked (especially fun with friends)
    Snake Pass
    Humongous Entertainment games, especially the Putt Putt, Freddie Fish, and Pajama Sam series
    Creeper World 3: Arc Eternal (or just about any tower defense game)
    Crayon Physics Deluxe
    Any game in the Civilization series
    Cities: Skylines
    Anno 1492 AKA Dawn of Discovery
    Ticket to Ride
    Thomas was Alone
    World of Goo
    A Mind Forever Voyaging

February 12, 2020, 02:42:01 AM
Re: Dating Spots Master Thread
Up and coming hot dating spot?  :P

February 24, 2020, 10:58:17 PM
Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions)
You sure it's Miami?

If my mother says the song she's looking for is Miami, it's Miami. :)

I believe the song you are looking for is "Atoh", the 1st song in the Klal Yisrael album.
it's available on Google Play music if you have an account.

That's it. Thanks!

February 25, 2020, 09:37:13 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread

June 09, 2020, 07:46:30 AM
Re: Interesting Articles... Where did that Brooks article appear, and since when do frum Jews include profanity in their public discourse?
June 15, 2020, 07:26:16 AM
Re: Are we going too far? Who's the identifiable group?
June 24, 2020, 07:57:48 AM
Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions) It was intentional.
June 25, 2020, 01:45:52 PM
Bavli (board game) - If you were curious (This is not a critical or economic review of the game.)

Age: "7+" (I'd say older, and certainly if an adult isn't going to be involved.)
Time: Not listed. (This number should generally not be trusted anyway, or at least not for hobby games.)
Number of players: Not listed. (Presumably 2-6, as 6 pawns are included and at least 2 players are necessary.)

Price: $40 (technically 39.99) if ordered from the company's website or most stores that carry it.

The game is based heavily on Monopoly, so I'll just explain how it differs from it.
There are some mechanical changes and an educational element is introduced.

You use 1 of 4 victory conditions in each game, chosen before starting (at least one is new to Bavli):
A: Last player not bankrupt wins.
B: Player with most assets when any player goes bankrupt wins.
C: Player with most assets when the agreed-upon time limit is reached wins.
D: First player to attain Reish Mesivta status wins (see below).
(The rules don't mention bankruptcy anywhere but in the section on winning, which isn't great.)

General rules:
((First player is rolled for. I don't know what the printed Monopoly rule is.))
Pass-Go income is doubled by landing directly on the Go equivalent (this is not printed on the board, but it's in the rules).
Players do not take another turn if they roll doubles.
If a player does not wish to buy a property, it is not auctioned.
You do not need to own the entire set a property belongs to in order to build on it.
Hotels follow 3 houses rather than 4.
The player whose turn it is can sell or trade their properties.
Properties do not need to be empty (no buildings) to have their ownership transferred.
Mortgaged buildings are redeemed for the same amount you get by mortgaging them (not +10%).

There are multiple currencies, as follows: One moneh is 4 dinrei zahav / 100 dinrei kesef / 600 maah.
The latter 3 come in multiple denominations, resulting in a total of about 13 bill types.
An exchange rate table is provided in the back of the rulebook. (A 13-space money tray is not.)
Prices can include multiple currencies.

The board is slightly smaller (36 spaces rather than 40).
There are 23 properties in various colors (with no railroad equivalents).
There are 2 "Go to Jail"-equivalent spaces along the sides.
One corner is the (new) Shuka (Marketplace), which forces you to auction one of your
properties*, and another is the (new-ish) Kupas Tamchin D'Oraysa, where there is
always at least 1 moneh which players can collect under certain circumstances
(one of them being passing or landing on it while having a very low asset total).
The 10%-or-flat-fee space equivalent is flat-fee-only, placed in KTD.
There is no Luxury Tax equivalent.
The Community Chest and Chance equivalents are "!" and "?" (there are 3 of each space).

! - Draw a ! card and resolve its effect. There are 40 ! cards. 26 of them send the player to a particular
space (usually with additional effects). Rent is not paid if a player is sent to a property by a ! card.

? - Draw a ? card. These have an Aramaic word or phrase and 3 possible translations.
Guess which one is the correct one (the Banker checks it in the rulebook).
If correct, gain 10 dinrei kesef; if not, lose 5. (There are 40 ? cards.)

The Jail equivalent is Yarchei Kallah (the implication is unfortunately unfortunate).
If you land on either Zil Ul l'Yarchei Kallah space, go there and follow this sequence:
Next turn - Your turn is skipped.
The next turn - Draw a Yarchei Kallah card and attempt to answer the multiple-choice question
on it (the Banker checks it in the rulebook). If correct, keep the card and take a normal turn;
if not, put it under the deck and skip this turn, but take your next turn normally.
(There are 25 YK cards. Eventually, your kids might know who the halacha follows
in a machlokes Rav v'Shmuel, where Rava was the Reish Mesivta, etc., as well as the
meanings of terms such as itmar, tanya, l'olam, and kim lei bi'd'raba minei.)

The Yarchei Kallah cards have a function.
If you have 2 YK cards and a Bei Knishta property, you gain Parnas status.
If you have 4 YK cards and 2 Yeshiva/Mesivta properties, you gain Reish Mesivta status (can be used as a victory condition).
There are reminder cards to take for your status, which also list their benefits:
Parnas - Your pass-Go income increases to 3 dinrei kesef (from 50 d. kesef). You need only stay one turn in Yarchei Kallah.
RM: Your pass-Go income increases to 1 moneh. You do not pay rent for Bei Knishta or
Yeshiva/Mesivta properties. If you pass Kupas Tamchin D'Oraysa, take whatever's there.

Other notes:

Each colored region of the board (1-4 properties) is named for a place in Bavel, and the properties
are named for locations there (Sura includes Yeshivas Sura, Shibvusei d'Rav, and Karna d'Ar'o.)
Mechanically, this allows for effects such as "Pay X to each person in X."
The region and property names are printed in Aramaic with English translations for some. For
example, regions and Yeshivas [wherever] aren't translated, but Bei Vanei has "(Bathhouse)" after it.
(The rulebook also includes Aramaic terms, with a similar translation policy.)
Property cards list their Aggrasa, Agar Beisa, Agar diSrei Vatei, D'mei Beisa, D'mei Ushpiza, etc.

25 of the ! cards have sources listed in the back of the rulebook for the events they describe.

It includes a felt-covered box insert with places for the different decks, for the pieces,
and for the money. (Scoop-edged wells in a non-hobby product? Big thumbs up.)
(You'll probably have to mix some denominations for storage due to their differing quantities.)
The currency is paper, the cards are glossy, and the box and board are of a smooth kind
that feels like my copy of Charterstone (IIRC) but that I don't know the name of.
The player pieces are plastic pawns.

*The starting price for a Shuka auction is the cost of the property and any buildings on it.
If no one bids for it, the owner keeps it. Some ! cards send a player to the Shuka and force
them to auction a property of at least a certain value (if possible).


You can visit the creators' website at, where you can see some images of the
game and sign up for the "Bar Bei Rav" newsletter, and contact them at

Any questions?

June 25, 2020, 09:01:39 PM
Re: Are we going too far? Until those kids decide to use their gun, of course.
June 26, 2020, 03:00:57 AM
Re: Bavli (board game) - If you were curious Missed a detail:
The ! cards are often themed with halachos or circumstances found in the Gemara,
such as giving for Kimcha dePischa or your shor tam/mu'ad having done damage.

Also, a Parnas collects 3 dinrei zahav, not kesef.

June 26, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
Re: Settlers Of Catan Team-based communication games:
(Some of these can be found in Target or Barnes & Noble.)

Muse: Awakenings  - Give teammates clues about which illustration card they're
meant to guess, with clue cards dictating different kinds of clue-giving each time.

[Limited to 10 players] When I Dream - Players give a blindfolded player one-word clues about things drawn
from a deck. The player guesses when they choose to, trying to be right. Some players are trying to make the
player guess wrong, others right, and still others to have the amounts of right and wrong guesses be as equal
as possible. Those roles are redistributed in each round (each player will be the "dreamer" for one round).
(On Shabbos, you will need to time 2 minutes without a timer.)

Codenames / Codenames Pictures - One player on each of 2 teams knows which cards in a grid belong to each
team and they must communicate them to their teammates with one-word clues. In the original Codenames
the grid cards have words on them, while in Pictures they have images. The first team to guess all their cards
wins, but there's also an Assassin card which is an instant loss if guessed.
(I wouldn't recommend quite so high player counts, though.)

Codenames Duet - Designed as a 2-player version of Codenames but can also be played as 2 teams.
It's cooperative instead of competitive, with both sides giving clues to each other. (The high player count
caution is especially relevant here, as the discussion group for each size doesn't exclude one clue-giver.)

Word Slam / Word Slam Family - The clue-givers must communicate a word/phrase to their teammates
using any number of an array of 100 or so one-word clue cards. Both teams play at once using the same target
word (each clue-giver has their own set of clue cards), with the first team to guess correctly scoring a point.

Concept - Players try to communicate a word/phrase to their team by placing tokens on a board of concepts.
Simple example: "To get others to guess 'milk,' the team might place the question mark icon (which signifies
the main concept) on the liquid icon, then cubes of this color on the icons for 'food/drink' and 'white.' "
Here are some demo cluesets:
The demo can also be played with other people Clue-style (guess wrong and you're disqualified).
(During an actual game, you can react to your team's discussion by moving tokens around.)
Note: This came out before Word Slam.

Wavelength [2019/20] - The active player must communicate a point on a spectrum to their teammates.
A spectrum card (e.g., Hard-to-Soft) is revealed and the clue-giver names something that they think is
at the point on that spectrum where the team's target is (so if the target was the Hard extreme, they
might say "Diamond"). Points are awarded according to how close the team's guess is to the target.

July 09, 2020, 07:15:33 AM
Re: Settlers Of Catan It's probably worth $63 (here) or $65 (here). (I backed their
Kickstarter 2 years ago, so my base-game price was $65.)
If you're actually considering buying the game:
The box is quite large, with a length and width like Ticket to Ride but about 3 times the depth.
Verify that you're okay with all the art in it first - here's the rulebook.

Bonus rambling:
"Is product X worth money Y" is a subjective question, and I don't think
I'm a qualified judge of what either board games or money are worth.
There's almost always going to be a game of comparable quality available for
less; how significant is that when valuing items with unique characteristics?
I don't have enough experience with this game (that was my first time playing
it) and other games of its kind to comment on it from a critical perspective.
In terms of material quantity, there's a lot in the box. It has 697 components
to Catan's 287 (though 210 are pretty small chits) and some storage trays.

July 13, 2020, 06:54:42 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread (I came to post this and was surprised to find it was on topic.)

August 11, 2020, 01:52:41 AM
Re: The Funny/strange/interesting/random Tweets Thread
September 10, 2020, 05:16:59 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
So what is so funny/strange/interesting/random about that. I guess it is random, but is there no gimmick? @Randomex

I liked it, that's all.
When "funny," "strange," and "interesting" have all been mentioned, is there
anything left for "random" to mean but "post whatever images you want to?"

September 22, 2020, 06:11:04 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread Unaltered screenshot (not joking) from the 2018 animated film Batman: Gotham By Gaslight (I wouldn't recommend it):

October 15, 2020, 03:13:15 AM
Re: Random Posts Pyotr Alexeyevich Kropotkin (kroʊˈpɒtkɪn) (9 December 1842 8 February 1921) was a Russian anarchist,
socialist, revolutionary, economist, sociologist, historian, zoologist, political scientist, human geographer and
philosopher who advocated anarcho-communism. He was also an activist, essayist, researcher and writer.

October 16, 2020, 06:45:49 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread A hammerhead shark:

October 18, 2020, 08:33:22 AM
Re: Board Games master thread The Royal Game of Ur, also known as the Game of Twenty Squares or simply the Game of Ur, is a two-player strategy race board game that was first played in ancient Mesopotamia during the early third millennium BC. The game was popular across the Middle East among people of all social strata and boards for playing it have been found at locations as far away from Mesopotamia as Crete and Sri Lanka. At the height of its popularity, the game acquired spiritual significance, and events in the game were believed to reflect a player's future and convey messages from deities or other supernatural beings. The Game of Ur remained popular until late antiquity, when it stopped being played, possibly evolving into, or being displaced by, an early form of backgammon. It was eventually forgotten everywhere except among the Jewish population of the Indian city of Kochi, who continued playing a version of it until the 1950s when they began emigrating to Israel.
At some point before the game fell out of popularity in the Middle East, it was apparently introduced to the Indian city of Kochi by a group of Jewish merchants. Members of the Jewish population of Kochi were still playing a recognizable form of the Game of Ur, which they called Aasha, by the time they started emigrating to Israel in the 1950s after World War II. The Kochi version of the game had twenty squares, just like the original Mesopotamian version, but each player had twelve pieces rather than seven, and the placement of the twenty squares was slightly different.

In much the same way Irving decoded the instructions of the Royal Game of Ur found in a grave in the 1920 excavations in Iraq. An inscription that found its way to the museum had the rules of the game. It was a very popular game for two and was played all over West Asia, This important relic and its decoded knowledge lay with Irving, until something truly amazing happened.

In the 90s two anthropologists from the museum made their way to Kochi to collect and codify social and cultural items of the fast dwindling community of Pardesi Jews. They returned with extremely invaluable shared material that included objects of daily use. In that was a wooden board game, which Irving says is to all intent and purposes the same as the Royal Game of Ur. It has 20 squares, two wings and a centre aisle. It was played using a dice.

Irving believes that whatever be the origin of the population of Jews in Kerala they ultimately came to India from Babylonia and that all displaced populations most importantly carry cultural items with them.

This game, he says, has survived into modern times. When he first saw it, Irving remembers being surcharged with an immediacy to find a person to recognise the game. He called up his sister Deborah Lionarons, who lives in Jerusalem, requesting her to go to the northern Kibbutz which has the settlements of the Cochini Jews. I typed out a questionnaire and asked her to go door to door with a picture of the game and ask anybody and everybody if they could identify the picture and if they knew the rules of the game?

As luck would have it a 70-year-old woman, Ruby Daniel recognised the game, identified it as Aasha, which she used to play back home with her aunts. Ruby was a school teacher in her early 20s when she left Cochin in 1951. She wrote out the instructions of the game and said it was played on the floor or by drawing it on a piece of paper.

The one sent by Sattoo Koder to the museum, a lovely object, is a wooden one with tiny legs, says Irving.

When the matter came to him, he found the rules to be similar to the ones on the 2nd century tablet. Amazed at this rather romantic turnaround of cultural shifting and its curious fallout Irving says, When the game was found in the excavations in Iraq, I was certain that this was not native but had come from Mohenjo-Daro in the Indus valley. I believe it began there, moved to Iraq and went all over the West Asiatic world. The game then morphed into other board games that exist today, like Backgammon.

October 19, 2020, 07:39:31 PM
Re: Random Posts Richard Louis Proenneke (/ˈprɛnəkiː/; May 4, 1916 April 20, 2003) was an American self-educated naturalist, conservationist, writer, and wildlife photographer who, when he was about 53, lived alone for nearly thirty years (1969-1999) in the mountains of Alaska in a log cabin that he constructed by hand near the shore of Twin Lakes. Proenneke hunted, fished, raised and gathered his own food, and also had supplies flown in occasionally. He documented his activities in journals and on film, and also recorded valuable meteorological and natural data.
 - Wikipedia

October 19, 2020, 09:28:33 PM
Re: Yeshiva Beth Yehuda Dinner
He must be worth a lot if even the book he wrote is selling for $850.

More likely "not selling."

October 19, 2020, 09:31:24 PM
Re: Random Posts "Dr. Manish Tanna, MD is a nephrologist in Mount Prospect, Illinois."

(And he's heard enough jokes about his name, thank you very much.)

October 21, 2020, 07:21:45 AM
Re: Settlers Of Catan
If not, what is the most recommended board game for 2?

How long and how complex a game do you want?

Would you prefer to compete, cooperate, or fight?

October 22, 2020, 10:15:18 AM
Re: Random Posts Since I usually post in JS, it might stay that way for a while. : )
October 27, 2020, 12:39:34 AM
Re: The Funny/strange/interesting/random Tweets Thread
October 29, 2020, 08:58:58 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread Photography of [ripples caused by?] music notes in a bowl of water:

November 04, 2020, 02:55:53 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread What we know about the election this morning:

November 04, 2020, 02:58:33 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
November 04, 2020, 03:01:55 PM
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November 04, 2020, 03:02:24 PM
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November 04, 2020, 03:08:21 PM
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November 04, 2020, 03:10:00 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread Waiting for my car to get fixed. This is not a good sign:

November 04, 2020, 03:45:13 PM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread Can you blame them? It's really unhealthy to smoke plastic bags.
November 05, 2020, 10:23:43 PM
Re: Jewish Music (New CDs, hock, and opinions) This week's Mishpacha had a music bit about Yaakov Brown, who has an email list/WhatsApp group to which he writes about Jewish music, including an "Oldie of the Week" series and a "Behind the Notes" series with the stories behind particular songs.
You can get it by contacting him at jewishmusicalnotes[at]

November 08, 2020, 12:25:55 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting video thread... Trust me, watch this.

November 09, 2020, 06:08:24 PM
Re: Jokes Master Thread I don't like country music, but I don't mean to denigrate those who do.
And for the people who like country music, denigrate means 'put down'. - Bob Newhart

November 10, 2020, 12:09:25 PM
Re: Random Posts Knowing when to give up is a valuable skill. As children we are told to stick with painful and unpleasant things, and while that is often wise, sometimes it just results in more pain. Discerning the difference between choking down one's vegetables--good!--and pursuing a hobby merely for the sake of it--bad!--is a tricky bit of prudence that many adults can't quite seem to get. The notion of an "acquired taste" is somewhat related. Eating chocolate is something you can nail the first time and every time, so acquiring a taste for expensive Scotch whisky that tastes of dirt seems a little off. But sometimes... sometimes! You should try that thing again.
 - (probably) Mark Bigney

November 13, 2020, 08:54:05 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread
November 13, 2020, 10:29:06 AM
Re: Random Posts Google says he was.
November 15, 2020, 11:19:09 AM
Re: The funny/strange/interesting/random pictures thread Did you know...

November 15, 2020, 11:38:24 AM
Re: The Funny/strange/interesting/random Tweets Thread
November 15, 2020, 01:18:06 PM
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November 17, 2020, 07:35:51 AM