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Re: Lakewood covid cases
The last 100 years during previous pandemics the reaction was not to shut down the entire country. Indeed, the game plan in March had one goal: flatten the curve. Stop the healthcare system from being overwhelmed.

If the goal is to keep hospitals from being overwhelmed and let covid run itís course then you take action only when there is an imminent threat of the system being overwhelmed.

If your game plan is to hold off until a vaccine hopefully saves the world then you can try what England and Israel are doing. Even so the current situation does not look to be as alarming as some are making it out to be.
One of the greatest 'benefits' of a pandemic in today's world as opposed to 100 years ago is all the access to science, etc. that's now available. Your goal is to live like we didn't have this lifesaving science?

September 09, 2020, 12:37:04 AM
Re: Is Covid Spiking in Boro Park?
What's a "mask break"?
Its a 5 minute break halfway through a 40 minute class. Everyone can remove their masks and breathe normally. Girls are not allowed to talk to their neighbors in class during this break.
Slightly incorrect. It's 3 or 4 minute break (depending on period) at the very end of class. They can eat and drink by their desk, and they are allowed to talk to each other.

September 09, 2020, 10:16:40 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
I'm betting that everyone is going to be exposed at some point. You can either drag it out in waves or get it over with.
How much are you willing to bet on this one, because that's a ridiculous assumption. To date, 'only' a minority of the country has actually gotten it (most of those before precautions were put in place or in locations with less precautions) and you assume 100% of people will get it with precautions??

It was a major error and a fiasco. There was no overload. They built 600 million dollars worth of field hospitals and treated basically zero patients. The researchers and models made one of the biggest modeling errors in modern times.
Preparing for the worst is the proper approach.
Many people pay tens of thousands of dollars in their lifetime to life insurance that thank God goes unused. Is that also a "modeling error"?

September 09, 2020, 10:54:31 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases
Sometimes I see things here and I need to read it twice because there's no way someone could actually say that.
Masks don't make a difference , the end.

September 10, 2020, 02:30:52 AM
Re: COVIDiots
Of course itís not perfect, but the guidance is reasonable. At the moment there isnít enough capacity for everyone to wear medical masks, since healthcare workers need them more. I do think at this point they should switch guidance from cloth masks to surgical masks as there seems to be no current shortage of them.

Are surgical ones generally supposed to be better than cloth ones?
I wasn't aware.

October 07, 2020, 12:32:03 AM
Re: OSM (Our Shuls Matter) Protests Regardless of what these 2 fellows have done, it's absolutely despicable the words and actions that were taken against them. In public all the more so. Drawing headlines from national news outlets and large Twitter accounts (including, but not limited to, Jake Tapper and Jerry Nadler).
Even if what they did does qualify as "moser", I don't think you'll find a reputable rabbi out there that would commend these actions.

But let's talk about the 'moser' status. Some people are blindly trusting Heshy, among others, that these guys committed mass Mesira. Per JTA, Kornbluh filed a complaint that a shul was illegally open on Pesach. We're not talking about, for example, someone who whistle-blew, for no reason, on someone committing tax or insurance fraud, sending them to prison. This is something that likely was done for the safety of the community, without arresting or getting any individual in trouble.

Regarding Getz -
[Getz] had been outspoken in calling for Orthodox Jews to abide by social distancing guidelines.
What a crime. How dare he.

JTA article -

October 08, 2020, 03:18:28 AM
Re: Pence Vs Harris 2020 Debate
I'm surprised at the poll results. I just watched most of it.

I thought that Harris was more direct in answering questions than Pence. I don't recall anything major she said that was so crazy that I was shaking my head.

Big pet peeve of mine not to answer a question posed. This was on both. I hate when they give long drashos that don't help to answer the question posed. Answer the question then give your drashos.
My biggest issue with Kamala tonight (and always) is her attitude. Super smug, always smirking, as if everyone's on her side.
Does she think it comes across as genuine? To me, it seems extremely fake and unlikeable.
Not sure how others view it, but the attitude alone has gotten me to despise her.

October 08, 2020, 05:18:08 AM
Re: Lakewood covid cases There are a lot of politics going on in the schools. Besides for the schools, it seems many parents are upset about the school-wide testing.
Why is that?
Apparently, and I've even heard these words said, "ignorance is bliss".
Knowing someone has a positive, people will have to quarantine, but they'd rather not know.

October 17, 2020, 10:13:13 PM
Re: Lakewood covid cases Any way to include audio messages here?
Not working via the attach button. Audio files too large (also not sure if file type supported).

I think it's a big problem that in Lakewood, most people are primarily getting all their Covid info and 'facts' from other Lakewood friends, neighbors, etc.
Issue is that most in Lakewood have this view about Covid (that's different that most in the world) that they constantly gossip about. And, when neutral people are so exposed to the same rhetoric for months, their opinion naturally will side with everything they hear (though much of it is ridiculous and illogical talk). I think that's part of what lead to this community-wide agenda against Covid precautions.
For example, I heard Lakewood folks talking about this first audio (that I am trying to send), assuming that it's certainly true, and the government is clearly trying to control their lives.

October 18, 2020, 02:23:39 AM
Re: Lakewood covid cases On a separate note, I was in Lakewood for shabbos. Had heard people saying that many more are being careful and there are more safe minyanim in recent weeks. Went to an outdoor minyan that someone told me he was going to since he's super careful.
Outdoors it was, but not the slightest hint of distancing or masks to be found (aside from my family). Tent looked to be approximately 20ft x 30ft (though I could be wrong), and there were about 60 or so people.
Don't get me wrong, that's better than the indoor alternative, but is this really what everyone in Lakewood considers completely safe?
Many seem to not even understand the concept that some people want to be careful.

People in Lakewood really seem to have no concept of how most of this planet is operating in recent months.

October 18, 2020, 02:39:14 AM