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Re: Has This Ever Happened To You With IBeria Airlines-Minors Bumped?
Iberia Forces 3 Kids Flying Alone From Miami To Tel Aviv Off Their Plane In Spain

Way too wordy and convoluted. Someone seeing the headline without knowing the story would need to read it three times to make heads and tails out of it. I like our suggestions better :P.

Ms. Addi asked the gate agent how she could bump 3 children

Wording seems way too soft. The tone should be incredulous, not blase; this isn't about the weather.

and that there is nothing against the law preventing minors from being bumped off a flight.

Should be "and there is no law preventing minors..."

When Ms. Addi asked the gate agent to put aside the law aside and have some compassion

As per the preceding sentence there is no law at play here, so there is no law to be "put aside" (and definitely not put aside twice :P).

A better way of putting it would be "Ms. Addi asked the gate agent to forget about laws and have some compassion"

” I cannot speak to your mother”

Extra space after the first quotation mark.

The kids were sent to a customer service desk and given a hotel voucher, but were told they couldn’t receive any a check for compensation on the spot as they were all under 18.

Neither Ms. Addi, who was in Israel, nor her 17 year old daughter, who was in a Madrid hotel room, got any sleep due to their anxiety about the situation. Iberia in Tel Aviv said they were not able to handle any compensation issues.

You're mixing up the hotel/anxiety issue and compensation issue here. In addition, the most egregious part of the whole story isn't given enough attention IMO. Here's how I would write these two paragraphs:

The kids were sent to a customer service desk, and given a hotel voucher and nothing else. Iberia left the three young children and teens all alone in a strange city. Neither Ms. Addi, who was in Israel, nor her 17 year old daughter, who was in a Madrid hotel room, were able to sleep a wink due to their anxiety over the situation.

According to both EU and Israeli law, all three passengers are entitled to compensation for involuntary bumping. But the customer service desk in Madrid claimed they couldn't issue a check since they were all under 18, while Iberia in Tel Aviv simply said they were not able to handle any compensation issues.

I waited a week for Iberia to investigate the issue and they finally replied with the following,

Needs a colon, not a comma.

Perhaps the law doesn’t prohibit minors from being bumped, but what about common sense and decency? Why were other passengers not solicited or bumped instead of 3 children in a foreign country?

Again, I feel that the most important bit is being under-represented. Maybe add another question, something to the effect of "Was Iberia willing to accept the responsibility if something, God forbid, happened to these kids?"

That is the most mind-boggling part of this story, IMO. Just taking three minors and leaving them alone in a strange city where they don't even know the language. A trained ape would be able to comprehend the absurdity and irresponsibility of such a thing.

Also, and this is a more general comment, quotes look pretty weird on the new site. The center alignment doesn't fit the rest of the page, the paragraphs are spaced way too much. It would look much better in a more compact form, maybe even on a slightly shaded field (similar to the old site, if I may bring that up ;D).

September 05, 2017, 10:58:12 PM
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September 15, 2017, 02:10:40 PM
Re: Iceland Master Thread
I have the wow air 13 hour stopover in KEF  (Wed. Morning Sept27 4:50am-6:15pm) Any ideas what to do

Golden Circle

September 17, 2017, 12:26:57 AM
Re: Iceland Master Thread
Thanks for the tip @yehudah It saves allot of time to skip Geysir and Gullfoss. (also I don't think its recommended to go scuba diving right before you get on a plane something to do with air/ear pressure)
What I would like to do is 4:30am rent a car and drive to Ţingvellir national park on the way hope to see northern lights. (I know its a small chance but i hope)
Daven shachris vasikin
Go to Keriđ crater
Then Hveragerđi
Reykjavik What to do depends on the time (any ideas?)
Then back KEF
I figured about $200 $100 for the rental $100 for gas ($7 a gallon!!!) If any yeshiva buchor wants to join me for this trip (Wed. Morning Sept27 4:50am-6:15pm) let me know
Any insights on this itinerary would be very helpful Thanks allot

Astronomical twilight the day you're there is at 4:32am, so I'm afraid you won't be seeing any northern lights unfortunately.

You could snorkel Silfra instead of diving it, highly recommended. You need a tour though, so make sure it fits in your schedule.

Keriđ crater is a waste of time, I wouldn't bother.

Nothing really interesting to do in Rek really. If you specifically want to hang around a pretty town, do it in Keflavik. It's small, it's quaint, and the souvenirs are just as overpriced ;D.

@yehuda's idea of going to see Seljalandsfoss is a solid one, I would recommend that. The road out and back is stunningly beautiful. (@yahuda actually recommended Skogafoss, but I believe he meant to say Seljalandsfoss. The former is much further away and not nearly as interesting.)

September 17, 2017, 11:20:25 PM
Re: Private Island Paradise: Something Fishy's Anniversary Adventure There are basically two "standard" ways to get to Utila from Roatan, neither of which would work for my trip. The scheduled air service runs only on Saturdays, and the ferry involves around 5 hours and a roundabout routing via the mainland.

This left a charter. There are a number of locals who offer boat charters between the islands, but these are long, bumpy, and very prone to cancellations. Plane charters on the other hand, are reliable, quick, and undeniably more fun. Best of all, these don't cost that much more than a boat charter.

The entire internet agreed that Alice from World Wide Travel is the way to go to book a charter, so I reached out to her via email. True to Honduran standards it took her a few days to get back to me, so it was another two weeks until everything was in place. I also booked our return domestic flights through her, even though she was around $20 more expensive than going through the airline directly. Aerolineas Sosa is known to cancel flights on a whim ("not enough passengers" is the typical excuse), but supposedly Alice will put you on a charter if that happens. That's worth $20 in my book.

So this is how flight charters in Honduras work: you get a cellphone picture of a handwritten receipt and instructions to "meet Banjo at the baggage area"...:

On Monday morning, we finally finished our grocery shopping and headed off Roatan airport to meet our charter. According to an email I had gotten from Alice a few hours earlier, I was to meet "Captain Romero at the coffee shop". This seemed slightly more legit than "Banjo at the baggage area", so things were definitely looking up.

Sure enough, we had no trouble finding Romero and after a quick introduction it was off to the plane.

Captain Romero showing his paperwork to security so that we can get onto the tarmac:

By far the tiniest plane I've been on to date, a Cessna 182 Skylane:

As you can imagine, it was a heckuva job fitting everything into the plane. We had two large suitcases, a snorkel bag, a box full of groceries (there are no plastic bags on Roatan), plus a big camera bag and my wife's bag. It took a while and some experimentation until we got everything to fit, during which the cardboard box broke and our bag of fish sprung a leak (because of course). Luckily I had stuffed some shopping bags into the snorkel bag on a whim back in New York, so these saved the day in the end.


Our shadow on the reef:

Goodbye Roatan:

The only thing that could make flying in your own chartered plane more fun is sitting in the cockpit seat, so I was in nerd heaven. Poor Romero on the other hand was terrified that my long legs would hit some important control or another, so he asked me to pull my knees up and back as far as possible:

Flying over the open ocean:

On approach to the Utila airstrip:

Utila airport is epic. The runway and apron consist of some roughly-graded asphalt, the "terminal" is more like a large shed than a real building, and there was nary a soul nor aircraft around:

Still more sophisticated than LaGuardia:

And best of all, you could own it yourself for the low, low price of $200,000!:

We finally found some signs of life: a couple of soldiers protecting the airport from... something:

After waiting a while a taxi showed up, in the form of a tuk-tuk:

Suffice it to say that it was a royal adventure getting all our stuff to fit, but we managed it in the end. My wife had just enough room in the back with all the suitcases, while I shared the single seat with the driver, half hanging out the side.

The main road into town:

Way too close for comfort, what with me hanging out the side:

Driving through town:

We had made up to meet the owner of our island, Barry Jackson, at the main grocery store's dock. Our tuk-tuk driver has evidently made this trip before, as instead of dropping us off in the street he sped onto the docks at full speed, my wife and I holding on for dear life:

Sure enough, Barry was waiting for us along with his daughter and one of his workers. They got the boat loaded while I ran into the grocery for some last-minute provisions, including a five-gallon jug of water and charcoal for the grill.

Ready to go!


The ride over was wonderful; the water was calm and beautiful. The colors were just amazing, and offered a tantalizing hint of what was to come:

A short twenty minutes later our private slice of paradise came into view:

Barry tied the boat to the dock and helped us out. There was another boat already there, with Barry's workers doing the final preparations for us. Apparently a large and rowdy party had left that morning, and it had taken longer than usual for the crew to clean up the mess they had left behind.

The crew carrying our bags into the house:

Barry gave us a tour of the island, explained how the electricity and plumbing worked, showed us the emergency phone, and packed up his crew and left.

After two days of traveling by jet, car, propeller plane, tuk-tuk, and boat, we were finally here.

We were now essentially marooned on a desert island, and couldn't be happier.

September 18, 2017, 01:36:47 AM
Re: Something Fishy's Trip Reports Thread New Honduras segment posted.

September 18, 2017, 01:39:01 AM
Re: Private Island Paradise: Something Fishy's Anniversary Adventure Now before y'all murder me for such a short segment, I didn't want to post this until the main segment TR was done. I finished that just now, so I'll post it as soon as I give it a final go-over in the next day or so.
September 18, 2017, 01:42:29 AM