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Re: Corona virus and your shull
I saw today so many ppl walking in Williamsburg with their Talis/Tefilin' bag... I saw more than a 100!
Saw same thing in ch yesterday, as if nothing is going around them.

March 30, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
Re: Maimonidies
Where are they getting dr’s & nurses from ?
You'd be surprised what money can buy. Top notch medical teams. And enough PPE to last for months.

April 01, 2020, 10:51:22 PM
Re: Seminary/Yeshiva Israel Rebbeim
Again - what's the source? Are you simply speculating or have you read this somewhere? While I'm sure that the 'Chutznik Gap Year' brings less than a blip to Israel's economy, at some point Israel needs to re-open up to tourism. Don't know if it's going to wait that long.
He's just making it up. Like most people on ddf, fear mongering and flat out lies. Throw in a WhatsApp voice note about some guy shutting down the country, and you'll have it figured out

April 02, 2020, 01:03:03 PM
Re: Corona virus and your shul
Just out of curiosity, globally, where are there still minyanim?

I’ve heard they have in Israel from porches and at army bases, plus three daily ones at the Kosel.
Lol, all over the tri state area. Lakewood, Brooklyn,monsey the list goes on and on

April 08, 2020, 12:07:43 AM
Re: Corona virus and your shul I think this conversation is pointless because everyone here is biased with their own opinions. But in any case if everyone can do it in a safe way there is absolutely no reason not to daven with a minyan. The fact that so many have come out against and so few rabbaonim are pro minyanim is pure politics, they were pressured big time to come out against all these things. If anyone here took a second to think about it they would realize that if everyone Davens from their own space there is no health risk. Obviously if your rabbonim say not to then don't. I personally have not davened with a minyan in weeks because my rov said not, but he also thinks there's no issue. To the people staying home good for u, and u should continue to do so. But fact is look all over the country, parks are full, stores are full, planes are flying, and cars are driving. So IMHO its unreasonable and senseless to go bashing people who daven with a minyan because you were told otherwise. As to shuls being open, that's pure irresponsibility.
April 24, 2020, 03:07:05 PM
Re: Corona virus and your shul
Please stop making a fool out of yourself. You sound like the 7 year olds in my class in 2nd grade.

My totty is bigger than your totty
You've been sitting here ranting that we shouldn't go anywhere near people yet you do it yourself, and that's fine if you do. But please stop yelling at everyone else.

April 26, 2020, 01:15:28 AM
Re: Corona virus and your shul

And seriously since when is a shaitel an ervah?

Have you ever walked through geula and read of any of the signs lol

April 27, 2020, 02:42:56 PM
Intresting LY 3001 TLV IAH

LY3001 from Tel Aviv to Houston:
Elal flies numerous flights a week to the US for cargo. No reason to get excited every time you see a departure.

April 28, 2020, 10:27:03 AM
Re: Bill D’Blasio Warns "The Jewish Community" This is literally absurd. Numerous people here have been spending this entire corona season bashing frum people and rabbanim for what they may or may not have done. And now when you get called out for precisely what you were complaining about its anti- semitism?!?!?
April 29, 2020, 10:57:26 AM
Re: COVID-19 (Wuhan Novel Coronavirus) Pandemic Master Thread
Stay away and report them?
And then when cops show up you can start saying anti semitism, sounds like a plan. Why on earth would you advocate reporting someone?!?!

May 03, 2020, 12:07:50 AM
Re: Will social distancing work for some businesses? I was at one at the end of March and they had 2 people per blackjack table, sitting on opposite ends. Maybe something similar to that
May 03, 2020, 01:09:42 PM
Re: Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Master Thread
Glad your showing off your ignorance in a way everyone can see it.

Far Rockaway and the Five Towns closed before Lakewood.Both Shuls and schools. It was the Friday before public schools closed. Passaic also closed before Lakewood. Brooklyn was spotty. The Sefardim closed before Lakewood too. Lakewood only closed when they were required to by law.

As you might not be aware, right now Five Towns/ Far Rockaway is doing much better than most other places in the region. Numbers are all the way down. And we are still the only place where the anti-minyan activists are going full force.

In addition, you don't belong on this thread if you live in Lakewood. Besides the fact, you simply don't understand the argument. According to Rabbi/Dr. Glatt, and according to some of our local Rabbis, you committed a grave sin by davening with a minyan this morning. Nobody believes you can violate the social distancing rules required by law. The question is to add additional takanos. As I said, either you didn't read the thread, or you simply don't understand what you read.
5 towns was closed before most places in tri-state thats 100% true. They did get hit very hard originally but now its quiet. And I can back you up that a very large number of rabbanim are pro minyan and just aren't interested in the politics behind it. My brother is a very close Talmid of R Jaeger and he told me that the rosh yeshiva is being very protective about this situation because he's very close to it and feels a huge responsibility. But otherwise lots of local rabbanim are giving the go ahead to outdoor minyanim. And if someone doesn't know the exact details of the happenings in the 5ts community, Idk why they would be commenting here.
And anyone davening with a minyan now, no matter the circumstance should stop complaining.

May 04, 2020, 02:53:48 PM
Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)
So they’ll stick around to chap a shmooze? Very Frum
I hope this quarantine ends soon so u can walk outside get some fresh air and calm down alittle

May 10, 2020, 01:26:32 PM
Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
Yeah, for sure, you know better than all the doctors who are out there on the front lines. Are you anti-vaxxer, too?
Not sure what one has to do with the other. If your a real estate attorney, and start saying things about criminal law, nobody would question ur knowledge. Its simply not ur field.

May 14, 2020, 11:52:51 PM
Re: Dropping Antibody Levels
Yet, you deem yourself qualified.
I pointed out that this isn't his area of expertise. Nothing else

May 14, 2020, 11:54:21 PM
Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)
Why would someone have to “switch sides” to issue a psak that is different based on new facts on the ground? Presumably some more Rabbanim are going to be allowing porch minyanim as the danger level (seemingly) subsides, much as more Rabbanim stopped allowing minyanim as the danger levels (seemingly) rose in the beginning. They weren’t switching sides, the metzius was changing.
R u stam making hock??? You clearly don't live in 5ts, so why are u just making thing up? In 5ts it very much is sides, even now.

May 15, 2020, 05:54:51 PM
Re: 5 Towns/Rockaway Rabbonim Ban All Minyanim Due To COVID-19 (Split Topic)
Cuomo just made an announcement allowing for religious gatherings of up to 10 people with social distancing.
Dr glatt definitely isn't a happy camper right now

May 20, 2020, 12:09:14 PM
Re: Minyan Guidance In Your Community Lkwd
May 21, 2020, 10:03:11 PM
Re: yeshivas that are open
This describes many if not most Yeshivos in Lakewood. Some have already started with that. I think it’s a decent plan, though what happens to those without antibodies? They stay over the phone?
They move to bk for 2 weeks. Then they get their antibodies

May 25, 2020, 04:09:10 PM
Re: Corona virus and your shul Let's what happens...
May 25, 2020, 11:25:27 PM
Re: yeshivas that are open
What are you talking about? I see this.

Total hospitalizations for the data set:
18-49: 5,356
50-64: 6,561
65+: 9,984

What did I misread?
18-64 is 54% of hospitalizions. 18-49 is 44% of the 18-64, therefore 18-49 is 24% of total hospitalizations. I didn't read numbers on the bottom so I was off....
By grouping it all together you came out with a misconstrued statement, which is very misleading

May 26, 2020, 12:41:59 AM
Re: New Virus Hot Spots
I hope and pray that this is a misleading post and it’s a really small amount
Its not the jewish area

May 28, 2020, 11:31:48 AM
Re: New Virus Hot Spots
BH! How do you know?
I'm there and there aren't really any testing sites by the bungalows, so even if all the frum did have it. They wouldn't be testing upstate.

May 28, 2020, 01:55:17 PM
Re: Do you know someone who has had Coronavirus after Pesach?
Thanks for the DP. So it seems there are more new cases around than some people would have us believe..
He lives in lakewood. I don't think anyone really believes that there are 0 cases. Point was to flatten the curve. It flattened and now there may be cases here and there but by and large it has really died down bh. Assuming large % of from communities in ny got it I wouldn't be super concerned about another outbreak right now. But obviously we shouldn't let are guards down totally. Nothing good can come out of that.

May 28, 2020, 05:47:26 PM
Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
Now I wanted to say something about the fact that we have lived over these last two or three summers with agony and we have seen our cities going up in flames. And I would be the first to say that I am still committed to militant, powerful, massive, non­-violence as the most potent weapon in grappling with the problem from a direct action point of view. I'm absolutely convinced that a riot merely intensifies the fears of the white community while relieving the guilt. And I feel that we must always work with an effective, powerful weapon and method that brings about tangible results. But it is not enough for me to stand before you tonight and condemn riots. It would be morally irresponsible for me to do that without, at the same time, condemning the contingent, intolerable conditions that exist in our society. These conditions are the things that cause individuals to feel that they have no other alternative than to engage in violent rebellions to get attention. And I must say tonight that a riot is the language of the unheard. And what is it America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the plight of the negro poor has worsened over the last twelve or fifteen years. It has failed to hear that the promises of freedom and justice have not been met. And it has failed to hear that large segments of white society are more concerned about tranquility and the status quo than about justice and humanity.
This has nothing to do with race, police brutality or anything. These people out there rioting are animals. If you do not understand that, then you are part of the problem.  There's a way humans deal with these things, they protest peacefully, use the legal system etc. These people are looting target and apple stores because they are animals.

May 31, 2020, 02:25:56 AM
Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
If you can't look into their minds then you should just keep quiet. You need to be able to understand their point of view to have an opinion about it. Until then you are viewing from your experiences and not theirs. Even after, there is only so much you can see, but the first step is always to try and understand why they feel the way they do
I don't think any of us can ascertain what's going on in their heads. But in any case regardless of what it is, the rioting has nothing to do with any of it. And every single one of them should probably be charged with domestic terrorism. Look at videos, thats literally what it is

May 31, 2020, 10:25:33 AM
Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
Jewel-Osco and Target in Evanston got looted. That's within walking distance of West Rogers Park.

Sifrei Torah were removed from Shuls and stores are boarded up.
But they're fighting for equality so just ignore it. If u don't understand them you can't judge.

May 31, 2020, 09:55:30 PM
Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
Was that a policemen that did that? Do Jews fear for their life every time they get stopped?
No was a black guy, and yes in new york city plenty of jews fear they'll get beaten up by a black guy every time one walks by. And no the average black does not fear for his life every time he gets stopped.

June 01, 2020, 03:49:39 PM
Re: Monsey Master Thread
Is 18 forshay open like pre-corona?
Pretty much

June 03, 2020, 02:17:44 PM
Re: Defunding police is the answer to racism?

On that note..

June 07, 2020, 11:51:23 PM
Re: Corona virus and your shul
They move on, but the virus is still here.  They go back to life as usual, but don't take precautions to protect their uninfected children and parents.
The super chasidish and yeshivish have pretty much been back to regular since a week or 2 after pesach, and people aren't getting sick, so as far as they see it, it's gone. And since their shuls have been open for well over a month now and older people haven't been dying, means one of 2 things. Either shul isn't really spreading and therefore keeping them closed didn't make sense. Or that its finished, there isn't really a logical explanation.

June 09, 2020, 12:35:05 AM
Re: The Vulnerables ARE Us I'm not sure what communities you are referring to but most of the main stream ultra orthodox community in ny/nj is back to business as usual and not trying to protect anyone. Go into any store and you'll see for yourself, full of young and old people alike. Generally speaking the communities that overall are  more paranoid about corona, young and old people are nervous. Regular chareidi shuls are not restricting older people or anything like that for the most part. Whether communities were very locked down or not so much at all they all got hit hard. So to assume that in the long run corona will be an issue doesn't Seem realistic. So there is no us or them, everyone is good. While people here sit and stress about corona, you can go outside and look at the street, its full of people, highways are full, stores are full, flights are full.... At this point it seems to appropriate to stay safe stay smart, and just things be.
June 12, 2020, 03:51:08 PM
Re: The Vulnerables ARE Us
How many are needed to be affected the same because of the “dynamic of living”? The communities are smaller but each one of those places has minyan factories
NO frum communities in the world live the way we do In the ny/NJ area, besides maybe Israel.  Density/mingling/weddings/you name it. I have no clue why people are trying to compare other places, when it's incomparable.

June 14, 2020, 01:01:26 PM
Re: PBA cards

Got pulled over today by NY state police for doing 50 in a 35 mile zone.


June 14, 2020, 08:59:45 PM
Re: Interesting Articles... C/p
New York to observant Jews: Drop Dead and pay Taxes. By Yosef Chaim Brooks

The observant Jewish community is no longer welcome in New York. Our way of life is being trampled on, our needs are dismissed with ease, our vote is irrelevant and cannot change a thing.

We are being mocked, humiliated, and relegated to third-class status with shockingly cocky dismissiveness by politicians who are often invited to our Synagogues and claim to be sworn friends of the Jewish people.

I'm only 40, born, and bred in Brooklyn and I can still remember feeling like New York is for all practical purposes a Jewish city. Our community makes up a substantial portion of the city's population. We are politically connected, with friends in high places who can get whatever is needed "done".

We run so much of New York's economy, and make up an important part of its tax base. We believe we have the respect and consideration of city and State government since they understand and appreciate our contribution to New York.

That's what most of us thought.

Then came Corona and everything we believed to be true about New York, turned out to be false.

We learned that not only do we not have a special status in New York but inf fact we don't even have equal status to other residents. As a matter of fact, we have no status, unless you consider taxation without representation a status. 

You see in the name of public health New York officials told us that:
Our Synagogues must be completely shuttered until the time that the "Public Health Experts" decide they can reopen, which could be at any time or at no time. This was strictly enforced by NYPD who were very scrupulous at kicking people out of Synagogues if GOD forbid they found one in operation.

We may not pay final respect to our beloved parents and grandparents who passed away. We were forced to hold no funerals at all or funerals with a handful of people. If you dared try to hold a funeral even if it was outside, even with the most extreme social distancing you had police cars follow you around until you dispersed.

We were told we cannot visit our parents or grandparents in the hospital leaving many of them to die at the hands of careless or overwhelmed nursing staff.

We were told our small and medium-sized businesses needed to remain shuttered until the time that the "Public Health Experts" decide they can reopen, which could be at any time or at no time; While big box stores were allowed to remain open. If any of us dared roll up the gate of their store more than a few inches they were handed a fine to the tune of thousands of dollars to make up for all the lost revenue the city has endured due to lack of parking tickets.

We sat through all of this quietly. In our hearts, we knew it was wrong, at least some of it. We knew it was a gross overreaction. We knew these draconian limitations on life were extended well beyond what was necessary but we also understood that our city and state are run by progressive democrats and that comes with a price so we sucked it up and remained quiet.

But then came the George Floyd protests.

All of a sudden, Public Health was out the window. Social Distancing, nonexistent. Only small crowds under ten people, non-applicable.   

To add insult to injury the very same Public Health Officials who made up all those rules and city and state officials who made sure they strictly enforced, had an overnight change of heart and seemingly change of science facts and data.

What was unacceptable for the Jews ie communal prayer and funerals as a start, was perfectly fine and encouraged for George Floyd protests. One NYC Public health official even went as far as saying that should there be an increase in Covid infections after the protests it can only be blamed on racism and not on the lack of social distancing exhibited by protestors. I must have missed it when the same official said that should there be a COVID outbreak as a result of large crowds at a Hasidic funeral it can only be blamed on antisemitism, oh you mean he didn't say that?

You see when it came to the Jews the Mayor had harsh words: "My message to the Jewish community and all communities ( I wonder who he meant by "all communities" because we never saw any enforcement of this kind against any of the other ALL communities, but I digress) is this simple, the time for warnings has passed". Ooh what a tough guy this mayor is, against Hassidic Jews at a funeral, I must have just missed it when he stated the time for warnings has passed to the looters.

Then just to twist the dagger a little more, we all saw the images of nurses all dressed up in PPE's walking out of a Manhattan hospital entrance to clap for the protestors and support them. You remember those sweet nurses that were featured in ads telling us to stay home so that they may stay alive? You remember those sweet nurses that told us we can't sit at the hospital bedside of our parents because of the public health risk? (only to later learn that untold numbers of our greatest generation were literally left for dead under the care of the sweet nurses of New York, but I digress again). Anyhow THOSE nurses were now cheering the largest middle finger ever given to public health guidelines while dressed in full gear.

When an Orthodox journalist confronted the Mayor on his hypocrisy and double standard when examining his treatment of the Jewish community, its sensibilities and needs, vs the Goerge Floyd protestors, the son of a bitch didn't even flinch. He went on a rant explaining to the reporter that 400 years of slavery simply overrule any and all other considerations, Science, Public Health, facts, data, be damned. But if those damn Jews put a minyan together all hell will break loose.

As a side note last week, long after the George Floyd protests were upon us, those rebellious Jews in Williamsburg had more than ten children at once at a public playground. They forgot their George Floyd protest signs at home so guess what happened, I won't keep you in suspense yep NYPD cleared them out.

As looters were looting and destroying store after store in New York City with no one there to stop them, we remembered why there were no cops available for that. They were too busy handing out fines to store owners in Brooklyn who were guilty of the crime of trying to conduct business to feed their families and serve their customers after being denied that right for over three months.

Then came the latest decree from Emperor Cuomo, Thou shalt not have any sleep-away camps this year. Why not? because I said so.
George Floyd protests? Sorry, the answer is no.

So now after three and a half miserable months, our kid's summer plans for the next two months get trashed yet again.

So how does it feel to be a proud New Yorker today?

This city and state are the heart of Jewish life in America right?

Let's pause and think for a moment.

What exactly do we get out of living here?

We have to fund our own Ambulances and first responders because city ambulances arrive long after the pronunciation of death.   

We have to fund our own community security organizations because NYPD is simply not enough to keep our communities safe.

We have to self-fund all of our schools because religious Jews have no right to expect that their children's education is paid for like any other resident in the city. 

Oh I forgot there is one thing we do get and I would be remiss if I didn't mention it. We get an extra Garbage pickup in our neighborhoods on Erev Pesach-don't say no one is thinking of us! Come on, that's got to be worth a few billion dollars in taxes no?

This city is a dump. They call it the big apple, the city that never sleeps. It should be renamed the big pothole or the city of rats.

Why do we still live here? we shouldn't.

Here's a crazy idea, We've all heard the word defund thrown around lately which got me thinking.

I was thinking defund NY has a good ring to it.

Let's pack ourselves and our businesses up and Jexit NY to any place in America where entrepreneurs are appreciated and religious freedom is celebrated.

I don't know maybe some exotic place like Florida or Texas. Let's domicile our businesses and residences in those states and bring all our tax revenues along.

Even if we won't receive any appreciation or notice at least we won't be trampled on as we currently are in the big rotten apple. But just one favor to ask before we do that let's all register our kids to public school for next year. Let's see how New York figures out where to educate 100 thousand children overnight.

I'm feeling a slogan that goes something like "no schooling no peace" as we get on jet blue to FLL or MCO, thoughts?

June 15, 2020, 10:38:03 AM
Re: Violent protests erupt across the country
They have his car. He is on foot. Seems you are trying to make this guy a mass murderer to justify the shooting.
A drunk fell asleep in his car. He ends up dead. Something is wrong with our system.
Yep something is wrong. That we have people driving drunk, falling asleep at the wheel and then getting into fights with cops and stealing their taser. That is extremely messed up. Im not sure where you grew up but where I'm from we don't drive drunk and don't get into fights with cops and take things from them. It's really messed up that we have people like that

June 15, 2020, 04:41:28 PM
Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer? Seems like there's a disconnect here with people who don't live in NYC area. Most people had, my whole family had, and I'm sending my kids to camp no issue and so are all my neighbors.
June 16, 2020, 05:28:13 PM
Re: Is there a second wave?
Still putting words in people's mouths?
He said looking at people going back to normal nebach... did I miss something?

June 18, 2020, 01:22:00 PM
Re: Is there a second wave?

The reason the virus is making less waves now is simply because

#1 hospitals aren't being flooded like before
#2 treatment got significantly better, much lower % are dying bh

There are 2 drugs out there that work. If remisvider lowers patients hospital stays by a few days, that clears up beds and hospital man power

The second drug for more chronic patients is saving lives.  Or any immunosuppressants they are using has been saving lives.

However, the idea was being safe, social distancing, masks, wash hands.

You sound like people in the eye of the hurricane, inside the eye it's very calm.

Why aren't they flooded like before? First we were all dumb because we didn't close shuls fast enough, now that they are all open and numbers are down.... new twist.  And great comparison, your talking about a virus that was spreading like wildfire and nobody knew about it?! More accurate comparison would be standing outside when it's nice weather and saying hey its nice weather.

June 18, 2020, 02:28:46 PM
Re: Is there a second wave?
You have got to be either the biggest troll or one of the more stupid people I've met in my life.

Dan discussed super spreaders before. In all likelihood the numbers just reflect the number of super spreaders or exposure to them.

For example, if super spreader a) wears a mask and sanitizes his hands etc even if no symptoms, in all likelihood none to few get

New York is still getting cases, it's just not crazy, why ? Probably precautions and yes many got.

Will it blow up? I'm sure it can!

You can sprout your crap endlessly. I don't care.
Keep up with the personal attacks. Cool story bro

June 18, 2020, 04:49:16 PM
Re: Out Of Control Fireworks
Alright here it is...

If they want to have a good time I'm all for it. Crazy part is that the country is being turned upside down because systemic racism and police stuff. These guys are just animals, take the cops away and they'll play.

June 21, 2020, 02:05:50 AM
Re: Out Of Control Fireworks
I'm just waiting for one of these italians or red necks to go bezerk and come out with his Ak47, These בהמה's need one hard slap in their face to wake them up.

 First the looting then this? And quite ironic that black live matter, yeh of course, we don't let the mama and kids sleep because black lives matter.

 Maybe some isreali skunk juice or tear gas would put these guys back on track, or some wild horses running these guys over?
Need Giuliani or someone like that to come in and clean up shop. One gun won't help.... they have a lot more...... wild how they want to defund police and 911 is getting 100s of calls an hour about this stuff.

June 21, 2020, 02:18:03 AM
Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?

Cheaper than individual testing Depending on the location & facilities something to the tune of:

Immediate segregation into limited size capsules
Individual PCR tests for everybody.
Isolation plan for positive cases - joint capsule/hospital/home/individual isolation
Camp disbanding transportation plan / continuing in capsules until additional cases are ruled out

All with a written plan of action and chain of command & responsibility.
This sound like protocol for an active war zone. These camps are for young kids.... most are either gonna open anyway or do day camp without these draconian measures.

June 21, 2020, 10:30:53 AM
Re: So How Was Your Shul This Week?
I think the order of events should be minyan for men, minyan for women as well, and only then Kiddush.

Maybe those shuls could set up a 2nd minyan in the social hall in order to accommodate women rather than use it for Kiddush.
If your part of any chareidi community that is not and will not ever be the case. And in most chareidi shuls most women don't even have an interest in going most of the time

June 21, 2020, 12:03:22 PM
Re: yeshivas that are open
So is it a superspreader person or superspreader even (or both) that is the key component? How would one identify a superspreader person?
Extra long beard

June 21, 2020, 12:12:02 PM
Re: Will the truth come out how NYC & NYS made blunder after blunder?
If that is true than the death toll is higher than reported as well. Do you believe the death toll from coronavirus has been underreported? I seem to remember you saying quite differently in the past
How does it mean that? It means deaths that were counted as regular hospital deaths were actually nursing home deaths.... interesting how death toll being higher is what you understood from this

June 21, 2020, 02:06:02 PM
Re: The Day After
Israel didn't lock down completely, as evidenced by the amount of Covid cases traced back to people returning from out of the country, and they arguably opened up too quickly, due to economic pressures.
Was mostly citizens, and Israel most definitely did lock down completely.

June 21, 2020, 03:03:26 PM
Re: Are we going too far?
Keep thinking it is the other guy and things will only get worse.
Do you see any republicans/conservatives shooting hundreds of people every day? Shooting fireworks? Tearing down statues of the founders of our country? Shooting our police Burning our flag?!?!

June 22, 2020, 10:46:45 AM
Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
This I just don't get. To what end? If the camp gets shut down after a week or 2, what are those kids supposed to do? At that point, it's too late for parents to make other arrangements. And what about the damage to the institution itself? Who pays the fines? Will this impair their ability to open next year? What about permits or certificates they need to run other programs? I just don't see justification here.
Highly unlikely they get shut down, and for kids that live in brooklyn and have been stuck in a small apartment the last 4 months they'll take 2 weeks.

June 22, 2020, 12:49:18 PM
Re: Will there be Sleep Away Camp this summer?
Based on what I see and read. I have no clue what's going on behind the scenes. I would point out that the question, "do you know what's going on behind the scenes," was thrown around a lot when they were trying to get shuls opened. IIRC, there wasn't much accomplished.
There was plenty accomplished with the shuls... after pesach the cops didn't go around closing shuls that were open..

June 22, 2020, 12:52:13 PM